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MinceR02 004729 < immibis> any state, any countryAug 02 00:03
MinceRprobably not in south-east asiaAug 02 00:03
schestowitz-TRworse case scenario, many would not wear itAug 02 00:03
immibisworst case scenario is they overthrow the government and institute fascismAug 02 00:04
schestowitz-TRnobody will go to war with weapons over "the shopkeepers ask me to wear a mask"Aug 02 00:04
MinceRhow will people notice?Aug 02 00:04
immibisMinceR: if you think the developed world today is fascist, you are wrongAug 02 00:04
immibisthere is a long way between here and the USSR or Nazi GermanyAug 02 00:04
MinceRand we're running that wayAug 02 00:04
schestowitz-TRthe problems are economicAug 02 00:05
MinceRthe state party of hungary used to pose as heroic anti-communists (even though they couldn't and didn't do shit about the previous russian empire)Aug 02 00:05
schestowitz-TRmany people out of workAug 02 00:05
schestowitz-TRso they start voting more radicallyAug 02 00:05
schestowitz-TRCOVID is not the instigatorAug 02 00:06
schestowitz-TRbut a symptom of itAug 02 00:06
schestowitz-TRtoo many  people outside the workforceAug 02 00:06
MinceRrecently they're fighting to spend lots of tax money on building a campus in hungary for an alleged "university" (fudan) which requires its staff and students to be loyal to the communist party of chinaAug 02 00:06
schestowitz-TRbelt and braces :-)Aug 02 00:07
MinceRbelt and jumper cablesAug 02 00:07
schestowitz 02 00:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | President Xi Jinping: Belt And Road Project Of Great Importance To China-Pak TiesAug 02 00:07
schestowitzChina imitates USAug 02 00:07
schestowitzand maybe USSRAug 02 00:07
schestowitz"soft power"Aug 02 00:08
MinceRif onlyAug 02 00:08
MinceRimmibis: oh, i was also thinking of orbanistan, not just the allegedly developed worldAug 02 00:09
MinceRthat said, the christian fundamentalist union of germany did a lot to support the hungarian communist party in their endeavors against the alleged values of the EUAug 02 00:09
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MinceRthe USA was also only saved from being turned into a dictatorship by their checks and balancesAug 02 00:10
MinceRcheeto hitler only managed to do so much to undermine the republic in 4 yearsAug 02 00:10
MinceRin hungary, it took less than a year to effectively destroy the republicAug 02 00:10
MinceRin 2010Aug 02 00:10
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schestowitz-TRseems like a trendAug 02 00:16
schestowitz-TRnow we have belarus(sia)Aug 02 00:16
schestowitz-TRregimes soooo good that they attract planes to them... like magnetsAug 02 00:17
MinceR:>Aug 02 00:19
MinceRbelarus is so great their olympic athletes are trying to avoid going homeAug 02 00:20
XRevan86MinceR: She is afraid of prosecution.Aug 02 00:22
MinceRwhat would she be prosecuted for?Aug 02 00:22
MinceRand how come she'd be safe from prosecution in nearly any other country?Aug 02 00:23
XRevan86MinceR: She criticised.Aug 02 00:23
XRevan86one cannot commit a worse crimeAug 02 00:24
immibisschestowitz-TR: the root cause here is the fact that people are forced to find work even when there is nothing for them to doAug 02 00:24
MinceR:>Aug 02 00:25
immibisMinceR: i'm gonna need about 100 citations on hungary's government building a campus for CCP members only. That sounds like typical anti-left propagandaAug 02 00:25
MinceRimmibis: it's not for members only, it's for people who agree to become loyal to the CPCAug 02 00:25
immibisclose enoughAug 02 00:28
immibiswhy would the hungarian government care about thatAug 02 00:28
immibisyou're gonna say "because leftists" or somethingAug 02 00:28
immibisit's like saying, microsoft wants to build a data center, for customers who swear to only ever buy google productsAug 02 00:29
MinceRbecause they decided that "bruxelles" is their enemy and that russia and red china are their allies in their fight against the westAug 02 00:31
schestowitzlol: 02 00:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LKML: "Mrs.Favour Jonathan": Hello DearAug 02 00:32
MinceRtypically the hungarian state party calls everyone who opposes them "leftists" (also "liberals"), so i don't see much merit in that "anti-left propaganda" theory :>Aug 02 00:32
MinceR 02 00:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Huge Chinese loan to cover the construction of Fudan University in Budapest | Direkt36Aug 02 00:32
MinceRon the loyalty requirement: (in hungarian) 02 00:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Hszi Csin-ping szerint a kínai egyetemeknek a Kommunista párthoz teljes mértékben hű diákokat kell nevelniükAug 02 00:33
MinceRbetter article on the loyalty requirement: (in hungarian) 02 00:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A Kínai Kommunista Párt hűséges káderképzője tart Budapestre, vagy egy nyugatos elitegyetem?Aug 02 00:33
DaemonFC<schestowitz> also, more importantly, most UK hospitalisations are of vaccinated peopleAug 02 00:34
DaemonFCInsofar as you can call that AstraZeneca shit a vaccine.Aug 02 00:34
DaemonFCDump it in Hungary and start over.Aug 02 00:34
DaemonFCMinceR would still be better off than under Orban's plan.Aug 02 00:34
MinceRhungary doesn't want itAug 02 00:34
MinceRhungary wants the unproven, uninspected shit that comes out of gamaleya and sinopharmAug 02 00:34
MinceRthey especially like to give the sinopharm crap to people who are at least 60 years oldAug 02 00:35
MinceReven red china doesn't claim to have tested it on people of that ageAug 02 00:35
DaemonFC<MinceR> the USA was also only saved from being turned into a dictatorship by their checks and balancesAug 02 00:35
MinceRbut orban doesn't care, he just wants to claim to have given vaccines to people, he doesn't care if the plebs get COVID-19 or get crippled by PACSAug 02 00:35
DaemonFCOne of which was that the federal government has limited control over elections.Aug 02 00:36
MinceRs/CS/SCAug 02 00:36
MinceR/Aug 02 00:36
DaemonFCStates can definitely be tyrannical, but Trump couldn't just reach in and change all of the voting laws and declare himself the winner.Aug 02 00:36
DaemonFCPlus, they had limited incentive to help him in particular.Aug 02 00:37
DaemonFCThey're happy as long as they all get re-elected, and they got elected under the laws they have.Aug 02 00:37
DaemonFCThese new "voter suppression" laws really don't change voting all that much as far as being able to go in and vote.Aug 02 00:37
DaemonFCWhat they do is curtail mail voting, which doesn't really bother me all that much considering there's polling places pretty much everywhere.Aug 02 00:38
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DaemonFCIllinois should be changing its laws to mail out the ballots earlier.Aug 02 00:39
DaemonFCThey claimed they did it 10 days before election day, but I got my ballot in the mail 2 days ahead of election day, which wasn't enough time to mail it back. And I knew that was coming because the state said make sure you mail them back at least 5 days before election day.Aug 02 00:40
DaemonFCThey're supposed to count as long as they're postmarked by election day and arrive no later than 14 days after.Aug 02 00:41
DaemonFCWhat they do is they give a provisional result on election night, and what happened in Lake County, Illinois was that it looked like a couple of county Republicans would hang on, just as it initially looked like Trump had won several states that he didn't.Aug 02 00:41
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DaemonFCBut when the totals kept getting updated, it quickly became clear that there would be no countywide elected Republicans left at all, and then 2 Republican county board members lost their election too, by a handful of votes.Aug 02 00:42
DaemonFCBut losing is losing.Aug 02 00:42
activelowconcerning pulmonary disease what about this: air pollution?Aug 02 00:42
schestowitzXRevan86: from ==> FREENODEAug 02 00:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRC Channels | TechrightsAug 02 00:43
schestowitz"Closing link: (web-30@2a00:23c4:c383:c901:e680:7c16:cbc6:b594) [You must use TLS/SSL and authenticate via SASL to connect to freenode please visit in order to create an account. SASL Configuration: - Webchat:]"Aug 02 00:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kiwi IRCAug 02 00:43
DaemonFCThe red mirage happened all over the country.Aug 02 00:43
schestowitzSo even their Webapp stopped workingAug 02 00:43
immibisMinceR: that sounds like complete made up horseshitAug 02 00:43
DaemonFCThat was what Trump was panicking about. He wanted to stop the mail ballots from getting counted.Aug 02 00:43
schestowitzThis is really rubbish, freenodeAug 02 00:43
immibisMinceR: now explain why the anti-left party would ally themselves with the communistsAug 02 00:43
activelowthey rather discuss "toxic" CO2 than benzene concentration or toxic dustsAug 02 00:43
DaemonFCBut voter participation wasn't much higher than usual.Aug 02 00:43
DaemonFCIt's just that people shifted to mail ballots. If it gets hard to request one, they would probably just vote in person again.Aug 02 00:44
activelowso, who is funding those "eco activists"?Aug 02 00:44
DaemonFCI think that either way, Trump would lose. In fact, mail voting may have helped him.Aug 02 00:44
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DaemonFCThose last minute dirty tricks at the post office may have disqualified nearly half a million voters.Aug 02 00:45
immibisCO2 is toxic because it makes the whole planet unliveable. benzene kills individual people. it's like COVID-19 vs car accidents. car accidents are an individual problem, COVID-19 is a global systemic oneAug 02 00:45
MinceRimmibis: they don't care, they just want money and powerAug 02 00:45
DaemonFCPeople mailed them figuring their vote would count and then they got stuck in transit and didn't count.Aug 02 00:45
MinceRimmibis: and it's easier to get loans from the east without being asked what the money is used for and howAug 02 00:45
DaemonFCIf they voted in person as well, they'd have been prosecuted, so even if they had their doubts after mailing the ballot, they wouldn't try to vote.Aug 02 00:46
immibisMinceR: so why don't they get the loan and then NOT spend it on a CCP-requiring university?Aug 02 00:46
immibisthey could just get the loan and then buy yachtsAug 02 00:46
DaemonFCVoting in person at least requires you to go down there and you know you voted.Aug 02 00:46
MinceRimmibis: they're trying to ingratiate themselves with the CPCAug 02 00:46
DaemonFCThere's no question about it getting caught in the mail and not counting because of that.Aug 02 00:46
schestowitzyou don't knowAug 02 00:46
activelowyou know, those "eco" "alliance90/greens" are most successfull nearby where Mercedes/Benz is manufacturing, it is one of those green "eco" politicians elected as "prime minister" of Baden WürttembergAug 02 00:46
schestowitzyou think you knowAug 02 00:46
schestowitzyou cast a paper somewhereAug 02 00:47
DaemonFCThat's why I signed a form to void the mail ballot and promised to destroy it if it came, then voted in person.Aug 02 00:47
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immibisa blockchain vote would actually increase the amount of knowledge you have that you've votedAug 02 00:47
schestowitzbetter than some web page or envelope saying "thank you for voting"Aug 02 00:47
DaemonFCI was madder than hell about a lot of things, not just Trump.Aug 02 00:47
DaemonFCIncluding that idiot prosecutor.Aug 02 00:47
DaemonFCWho is now a judge.Aug 02 00:47
MinceRa blockchain vote would also make who voted for what publicAug 02 00:47
DaemonFCGolden parachutes!Aug 02 00:47
activelowcurrentlz Baden Württembeg is the only federal state where those "eco" greens are ruling with a prime minister, and it is a federal state with the *worst* ecologocial/climate balanceAug 02 00:47
MinceRtallying votes isn't nearly as challenging if it's acceptable to let everyone know who voted for whatAug 02 00:47
XRevan86schestowitz: webchat is also prone, yesAug 02 00:48
DaemonFCWe vote him out, the bar association makes him a judge.Aug 02 00:48
DaemonFCSo we need to vote him out again, I guess.Aug 02 00:48
DaemonFCIt'll be a while before he's up for retention. The good news is he'll need 60% in favor next time because he's a judge now.Aug 02 00:48
schestowitzXRevan86: so from "AUTONOMOUS ZONE" it is becoming "NO-GO ZONE"Aug 02 00:48
schestowitzor rather, a very difficult zone to enter, esp. anonymousluAug 02 00:48
DaemonFCHe only got 46.5% in favor running for prosecutor.Aug 02 00:49
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DaemonFCSo appointing him as a judge just puts him on borrowed time if people remember that they didn't want him in 2020.Aug 02 00:49
schestowitzmust provide email address and pass some JS stuff, pass around messages as pre-requisite for loginAug 02 00:49
activelowand guess what, it is this "green eco" prime minister who argued recently: "either you accept the proposed vaccine or you'll be denied entrance into restaurants and cinema, and you'll have to pay for testing"Aug 02 00:49
activelowend lose quoteAug 02 00:49
schestowitzRemember: WEB = JSAug 02 00:49
schestowitzproprietaryAug 02 00:49
schestowitzI don't need JS to register ot log in via IRC portsAug 02 00:49
schestowitzCrystalMath overlooked thatAug 02 00:50
schestowitzWeb = shitAug 02 00:50
schestowitzwww = monopoly and garbage running in the background by defaultAug 02 00:50
schestowitz(without user consentAug 02 00:50
schestowitzI find it funny sites and browsers would insist you get some cert from ZemlinPentagonAug 02 00:50
schestowitzLEAug 02 00:50
schestowitzbut...Aug 02 00:50
schestowitzthe proprietary JS they push onyou  by default?Aug 02 00:51
schestowitz"fine! Go with it. Nothing to see here.."Aug 02 00:51
schestowitzSupercookies? OKAug 02 00:51
schestowitzJust makes you sure you signed up for free cert with ZemlinPentagonAug 02 00:51
schestowitznow run our dodgy proprietary JS, no questions askedAug 02 00:52
techrights-news#Ryujinx (Switch Emulator) Gets The #Vulkan Treatment #deletegithubAug 02 00:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ryujinx (Switch Emulator) Gets The Vulkan Treatment - Boiling SteamAug 02 00:53
techrights-newsWorthless #ewaste for useless gimmicks adding complexity for so little practical benefitAug 02 00:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | SmartBug smart switch integrates neatly into in-wall sockets (Crowdfunding) - CNX SoftwareAug 02 00:54
techrights-news#Kubuntu preinstalled #kde #gnu #linuxAug 02 00:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Kubuntu Focus Team Announces the Affordable Kubuntu Focus XEAug 02 00:54
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techrights-news#Nvidia open sources stuff, and FOSS can be profitable - Linux News #gnu #linuxAug 02 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-KDE Connect on Windows and iOS, Nvidia open sources stuff, and FOSS can be profitable - Linux News - YouTubeAug 02 00:57
techrights-news"Based on the K#HealthCertificate library this has been added to KDE Itinerary, and a standalone health certificate wallet app for Plasma Mobile is also in the works." 02 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | June/July in KDE ItineraryAug 02 00:57
techrights-news#freebsd 31 July: Enhanced commit privileges: Li-Wen Hsu (doc, ports, src) #bsd #unixAug 02 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FreeBSD News Flash | The FreeBSD ProjectAug 02 00:57
techrights-newsA good start, but #socialcontrolmedia needs to be turned off not just for one day 02 00:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Social Media Detox Day - YouTubeAug 02 00:59
schestowitzfreenode:Aug 02 01:00
schestowitz There are 1443 users and 19800 invisible on 27 serversAug 02 01:00
schestowitz* 11 :operator(s) onlineAug 02 01:00
schestowitz* 11 :unknown connectionsAug 02 01:00
schestowitz* 22176 :channels formedAug 02 01:00
schestowitz* I have 1928 clients and 1 serversAug 02 01:00
schestowitz* Current local users: 1928  Max: 1929Aug 02 01:00
schestowitz* Current global users: 21243  Max: 22832Aug 02 01:00
schestowitz* * message of the dayAug 02 01:00
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schestowitzthat was last time it reported anythingAug 02 01:01
schestowitznow it seems like a lot lessAug 02 01:01
schestowitz 02 01:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NO TITLEAug 02 01:02
schestowitzit is no longer even trackedAug 02 01:02
MinceR02 020217 [freenode2] -!- Current global users: 13352  Max: 22832Aug 02 01:02
schestowitzthey have obsoleted themselvesAug 02 01:02
schestowitzMinceR: thanksAug 02 01:02
techrights-news#freenose users online 13352. It was about 90,000 just months ago. They've even managed to make Web access obsolete. It's almost like they don't want users anymore...Aug 02 01:03
techrights-news#freenode users online 13352. It was about 90,000 just months ago. They've even managed to make Web access obsolete. It's almost like they don't want users anymore...Aug 02 01:04
techrights-news#patentMaximalism #SouthAfrica #selfHarm #patents see 02 01:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | South Africa awards world’s first AI-invented patent, but it may not be that big a deal | IAMAug 02 01:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | DABUS the AI system confirmed as the inventor and Dr Stephen Thaler as the owner of the DABUS inventions - WP IPAug 02 01:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Software Patents in South Africa - TechrightsAug 02 01:04
techrights-news#SouthAfrica seems to be signalling that it has the worst of most lenient #patent office see 02 01:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | South Africa approves world's first patent with AI inventor - JURIST - News - Legal News & CommentaryAug 02 01:06
immibis<schestowitz> Remember: WEB = JSAug 02 01:06
immibis<schestowitz> proprietaryAug 02 01:06
immibisdoesn't techrights have a web site?Aug 02 01:06
techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▇▃▃▅▄▅▂▅▄▄▂▃▃▂▅▆▄▅▅▃▅▄▁▂▃▁█▁▃▂▂▄▁ avg(k/sec) 29.91 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▁▂▁▁▂▂▂▁▂▁▁▁▂▂▂▂▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▁███▁▁▁▃▁ avg(k/sec) 25.05▕ swarm size (avg): 283.56  ⟲Aug 02 01:07
schestowitzWe suggest gemini and ipfsAug 02 01:07
schestowitzmost people use wwwAug 02 01:07
schestowitzso that's also an optionAug 02 01:07
schestowitzwe still use ircAug 02 01:07
schestowitzlots of info passes via ircAug 02 01:07
schestowitzand irc is available from gemini, ipfs, plain text erc.Aug 02 01:07
schestowitzmany pipelines for thatAug 02 01:07
techrights-news#EPO has based everything on unlawful interpretations; why don't #litigation firms speak out against it? 02 01:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Assessment Of Inventive Step Of Medical Use Claims At The EPO: A Shift In Approach? - Intellectual Property - UKAug 02 01:08
techrights-news#Patent #litigation firms pushing illegal #softwarepatents under the guise of "simulation" again, relying on a tribunal rigged and intimidated by the EPO's dictatorship #swpatsAug 02 01:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | D Young & Co | Patent rights for satellites: computer simulations for…Aug 02 01:08
XRevan86MinceR: Is EFnet bigger now?Aug 02 01:10
XRevan86schestowitz: webchat has no special treatment there, yes.Aug 02 01:10
XRevan86Guest login is no more.Aug 02 01:10
schestowitz 02 01:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | In the pandemic of global neo-liberal capitalist dictatorship we are still here | systemd-free linux communityAug 02 01:10
schestowitz"WordPress continues to make our life miserable, with all their new guis a web-client-google-apis.  As if they are no longer capable of developing their own code for a web-client interface they must add google functionality, which in turn is not supported by all safety and privacy minded browsers, only those produced by google and mozilla corporations, making it hard to protect yourselves against the corporate bandits and have adequate Aug 02 01:11
schestowitzfunctionality to publish."Aug 02 01:11
schestowitzWordPress is becoming part of the "pandemic"Aug 02 01:11
schestowitzXRevan86: FREENODE IS IR.. never mind..Aug 02 01:12
XRevan86freenode is smallAug 02 01:12
schestowitzalso unwelcoming to anon usersAug 02 01:12
schestowitzwhich sort of contradicts what they said about the alt ircdAug 02 01:12
XRevan86freenode is irrelevantAug 02 01:12
XRevan86That's more accurate, right?Aug 02 01:13
techrights-newsHow many millions of people need #patents kill before #patent extremists admit that innovation happens without patents and denies #accesstomedicines h 02 01:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Written Description: What’s happening with proposals for a WTO waiver of COVID-related IP?Aug 02 01:13
DaemonFC 02 01:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | freenodeAug 02 01:13
techrights-news#China lowering the #patent bar to something laughable: Is Dosing Regimen Patentable in China? 02 01:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is Dosing Regimen Patentable in China? - LexologyAug 02 01:13
DaemonFCThe Izvestia-style blogging continues.Aug 02 01:14
DaemonFCSomething about dogs and fences and dumbfucks.Aug 02 01:14
MinceRXRevan86: i'm not on efnetAug 02 01:14
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XRevan86> :Current global users 13241Aug 02 01:16
MinceRXRevan86:   makes it seem like they're close to the sameAug 02 01:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NO TITLEAug 02 01:16
XRevan86EFnet is still smaller.Aug 02 01:16
techrights-news#Apache Month in Review: July 2021 02 01:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Apache Month in Review: July 2021 : The Apache Software Foundation BlogAug 02 01:16
XRevan86let's give it a dayAug 02 01:16
MinceRi don't care about efnet eitherAug 02 01:16
MinceRthe only service they have is chanfix, and they officially admit that it's unreliableAug 02 01:16
DaemonFC<XRevan86> EFnet is still smaller.Aug 02 01:17
DaemonFCThan the autonomous zone?Aug 02 01:17
DaemonFCWith Supreme Warlord Root....Aug 02 01:17
XRevan86DaemonFC: Yes, the autonomous zone is in top5 for a day.Aug 02 01:17
schestowitzthe self-harm seems endlessAug 02 01:17
schestowitzfor a while they hanged on there at 60kAug 02 01:18
schestowitzbefore killing off their databaseAug 02 01:18
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techrights-news"Quite a while ago, Arch Linux has turned on many binary security features via compilation flags (2016) or turned off options that are known to help exploit software (debugging symbols, RPATH). Now we have 2021 and Arch Linux made good experience with the additional security options." 02 01:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Hardening ExecutablesAug 02 01:19
activelowdidnt' drop my freenode account, SASL+cert was registered, and cannot connect anymoreAug 02 01:20
activelownot sure why they wiped the databaseAug 02 01:20
schestowitztoo much stoningAug 02 01:20
techrights-news" #WordPress continues to make our life miserable, with all their new guis a web-client-google-apis. As if they are no longer capable of developing their own code for a web-client interface they must add google functionality, which in turn is not supported by all safety and privacy minded browsers, only those produced by google and mozilla corporations" 02 01:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | In the pandemic of global neo-liberal capitalist dictatorship we are still here | systemd-free linux communityAug 02 01:21
MinceRit would have been more work to migrate it, presumablyAug 02 01:21
techrights-news#patent #law shows that it is irrational 02 01:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | I’m sorry Dave I’m afraid I invented that: Australian court finds AI systems can be recognised under patent law | Artificial intelligence (AI) | The GuardianAug 02 01:21
MinceRand rasengan didn't buy the network to do work for its users :>Aug 02 01:22
schestowitzwhat is the goal or endgame?Aug 02 01:22
schestowitzsurely it did not go as they had plannedAug 02 01:22
schestowitzso what does it boil down to now? mindreading is not possibleAug 02 01:23
activelowgood thing with libera: so far noone dared to register with my nickname there, and i can ask some people anytime if i need to nonethelessAug 02 01:23
activelowseems noone is willing to take the pride of itAug 02 01:23
techrights-newsProtect Online #Privacy 02 01:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Protect Online PrivacyAug 02 01:23
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Aug 02 01:23
MinceRmaybe it was an attempt to settle a score with the old staff (which is understandable, though it didn't seem to do much), somewhat covered up by folding freenode into irc.comAug 02 01:24
techrights-news" #Wyze moved the District Court to dismiss under Rule 12(c), on the grounds that the claims are directed to ineligible subject matter." 02 01:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Patent Docs: Sensormatic Electronics, LLC v. Wyze Labs, Inc. (Fed. Cir. 2021)Aug 02 01:24
techrights-newsUpcoming #AMD CPU with #RDNA1 #graphics may be coming, spotted in Linux code 02 01:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | First mentions of AMD RDNA1 "Cyan Skillfish" iGPU for future Ryzen APUs appear in Linux code | Tux MachinesAug 02 01:25
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schestowitzMinceR: they're not THAT old :-)Aug 02 01:26
MinceRi mean the staff from before rasengan took over ircop dutiesAug 02 01:26
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schestowitzyes, I knowAug 02 01:26
schestowitzhence the faceAug 02 01:27
schestowitzXRevan86: correct me if my assumptions are wrong:Aug 02 01:28
schestowitzthe only reason I still have one client connected to freenode is that my connection has not dropped on it?Aug 02 01:28
XRevan86schestowitz: It depends on whether that client is configured in a now-permitted way.Aug 02 01:29
XRevan86if it connects via TLS and with SASL, then it will reconnect successfully.Aug 02 01:29
schestowitzpeople who say self-hosting is "lots of work" obviously ignore the situation of being at someone else's mercy when it all goes wrongAug 02 01:30
schestowitzlike with freenodeAug 02 01:30
XRevan86schestowitz: Those people won't have experience with freenode today though, as they ran from the sinking ship in May/June :PAug 02 01:30
DaemonFCI noticed that food companies are trying to hide a lot of the inflation by reducing their promotional budget.Aug 02 01:31
DaemonFCSeems like they're fine giving up marketshare to the store brands to get higher margins.Aug 02 01:31
DaemonFCI wonder how this will affect iBotta.Aug 02 01:32
techrights-news#patent maximalists still looking for ways to discredit the assessment of #patents legitimacy/quality 02 01:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Patent Docs: Chemours Company FC, LLC v. Darkin Industries, Ltd. (Fed. Cir. 2021)Aug 02 01:32
techrights-newsIt is illegal and a total disaster, but #EPO management keeps lying about it, insulting the victims see 02 01:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO - Latest guide to preparing for the EQE is now onlineAug 02 01:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The (e-)EQE Statement From the EPO Makes Things Even Worse as Victims of the Catastrophic Exam Feel Offended and Angry | TechrightsAug 02 01:32
techrights-news#Programming Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 01:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Programming Leftovers | Tux MachinesAug 02 01:33
activelowseems freenode rejects ssl when terminated at an onion exit "Irssi: warning SSL handshake failed: server closed connection unexpectedly"Aug 02 01:34
techrights-newsMeeting with your mates - #Kalendar week 8 (GSoC 2021) - Stuff I wrote down ⚓ ䷉ #claudiocambra | more in 02 01:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Meeting with your mates — Kalendar week 8 (GSoC 2021) – Stuff I wrote downAug 02 01:34
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schestowitz-TRactivelow: it's really crap and inconsistentAug 02 01:35
schestowitz-TRthey said they wanted to protect users' privacyAug 02 01:35
schestowitz-TRbecause "cancel culture" somethingAug 02 01:35
schestowitz-TRnow they demand email addresses and JS crap in a Kape Web siteAug 02 01:36
schestowitz-TRto me, Kape is little better than NSO GroupAug 02 01:36
activelowschestowitz-TR: they got my email-address, a valid registration, SASL, cert+fingerprintAug 02 01:36
activelowin fact freenode knew who i was and who i amAug 02 01:37
techrights-news"I wrote a #controlpanel in 2005 using #PHP , without any framework. Who could have guessed it would still be in production now?" #programmingAug 02 01:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Jamie McClelland | Fixing old PHP codeAug 02 01:37
activelowi followed the timeline of events, and someone has taken freenode down one step at a time: onion, sasl, then wiped database, and now everythingAug 02 01:38
techrights-news"As readers may know, the #Germany #DE parliament recently adopted amendments of the German Patent Act (GPA) as the final step of a reform process that spanned nearly two years"Aug 02 01:38
techrights-news[...] "According to §139 GPA, a person infringing a #patent may "be sued by the aggrieved party for cessation and desistance", and the reform adds to this the following proviso..." 02 01:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Amendment of German patent law: small step or giant leap for proportionality? - The IPKatAug 02 01:39
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schestowitz-TRactivelow: They retained less than 20% os usersAug 02 01:41
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schestowitzI need to watch things more closelyAug 02 01:41
schestowitzmaybe some attempt to 'revenge'Aug 02 01:42
techrights-newsLeave #biology out of #patents #epo is also corrupted by #Budapest 02 01:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Introduction To Biological Deposits At The European Patent Office And Under The Budapest Treaty - Intellectual Property - European UnionAug 02 01:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The ‘Fixer’ of António Campinos Taints G1/21 (ViCo Hearing) | TechrightsAug 02 01:42
techrights-news#LinuxMint Needs UI/UX and Graphics Designers for Redesigning its Dated Website • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 01:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Mint Needs UI/UX and Graphics Designers for Redesigning its Dated Website | Tux MachinesAug 02 01:42
techrights-news#Xfce ’s Apps Update for July 2021 Brings New Releases of Catfish, Mousepad, Sensors Plugin, and More • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 01:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Best Free and Open Source Software – July 2021 Updates | Tux MachinesAug 02 01:44
techrights-news#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 01:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesAug 02 01:47
schestowitzDaemonFC: are you still with PIA?Aug 02 01:47
schestowitzTheir blog has not been very actively latelyAug 02 01:47
schestowitznot a positive signAug 02 01:48
schestowitzalso, there's a quasi-canary about US gov. going after themAug 02 01:48
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesAug 02 01:49
DaemonFCYeah, all their US VPNs are now going with some company called Freedom Solutions or something like that.Aug 02 01:49
DaemonFCThis sounds like a CIA honeypot.Aug 02 01:49
DaemonFC"Freedomtech Solutions"Aug 02 01:50
schestowitzlolAug 02 01:50
schestowitzin US freedom means something elseAug 02 01:50
schestowitzlike "democracy"Aug 02 01:50
schestowitzFreedomPhoneAug 02 01:50
schestowitzmeans TrumpAug 02 01:50
techrights-news#Debian : #SparkyLinux , WAGO, Raspberry Pi OS/Raspbian • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 01:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Debian: Sparky, WAGO, Raspberry Pi OS/Raspbian | Tux MachinesAug 02 01:51
DaemonFCFreedumbAug 02 01:51
techrights-news#KDE: On KDE Connect, Kalendar, Kubuntu, KDE Itinerary, and More • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 01:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | KDE: On KDE Connect, Kalendar, Kubuntu, KDE Itinerary, and More | Tux MachinesAug 02 01:51
schestowitzDaemonFC: something like that:Aug 02 01:52
schestowitzfreedom to be dumb enough to reject the scienceAug 02 01:52
schestowitzand to not follow regulationsAug 02 01:52
techrights-news#Lakka 3.3 release • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 01:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Lakka 3.3 release | Tux MachinesAug 02 01:53
DaemonFCMy mom was interested to find out that we were actually rated 15th in world freedom.Aug 02 01:55
DaemonFCI said I guess if it makes you feel better, the Philippines is like #76.Aug 02 01:55
DaemonFCSomewhat better than Mexico, but not much.Aug 02 01:56
DaemonFCIt's like the Mexico of Asia.Aug 02 01:56
DaemonFCMARISOL got pissed when I said "I'm not letting him go back THERE.".Aug 02 01:56
DaemonFCShe's like "WHAT DO YOU MEAN 'THERE'!?".Aug 02 01:57
techrights-newsToday’s 🅣🅤🅧 🅜🅐🅒🅗🅘🅝🅔🅢 Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 01:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesAug 02 01:59
techrights-newsLinks 1/8/2021: LibreOffice 7.2 RC2 and Lakka 3.3 • 𝑻𝒆𝒄𝒉𝒓𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕𝒔 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 02 01:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Links 1/8/2021: LibreOffice 7.2 RC2 and Lakka 3.3 | TechrightsAug 02 01:59
DaemonFCschestowitz, A lot of it has to do with severe overpopulation.Aug 02 02:00
DaemonFCOnce you get too many people and too much poverty, the government's not going to be any damned good.Aug 02 02:00
DaemonFCBecause if people do have any say in it, they'll be too backwards to have a functioning democracy.Aug 02 02:01
activelowas an outsider, i feel, USA changed i think, since early 1990s.Aug 02 02:01
techrights-newsBest 13 Open-source Photography Workflow solutions and Adobe Lightroom alternatives • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 02:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Best 13 Open-source Photography Workflow solutions and Adobe Lightroom alternatives | Tux MachinesAug 02 02:02
techrights-newsLinux 5.15 Adding Management Component Transport Protocol (MCTP) • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 02:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux 5.15 Adding Management Component Transport Protocol (MCTP) | Tux MachinesAug 02 02:02
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techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 02:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesAug 02 02:03
activelowit is a rather shallow perspective, maybe, for example, i enjoyed some old TV series from USA, such as the X-files, or the SimpsonsAug 02 02:03
activelowwhich is USA from 1990sAug 02 02:03
activelowwasn't aware the nuanced humor and intellect of that time remained thereAug 02 02:04
DaemonFCIt changed because the current people in the 18-35 demographic are every bit as stupid as they appear.Aug 02 02:05
techrights-newsLinux 5.14-rc4 • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 02:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux 5.14-rc4 | Tux MachinesAug 02 02:05
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DaemonFCEspecially the ones in their teens and 20s, and I point them out not because they're any better than the ones <18 but because they can vote and they protest, not having the slightest clue what things liek Communism would actually entail were they successful.Aug 02 02:06
schestowitz"marisol" is a dutertardAug 02 02:07
schestowitzso she contributes to how awful the place isAug 02 02:07
DaemonFCMost of them are barely literate and don't know math, and don't know anything except how to shop with their parents' money and god help all of them when their parents die.Aug 02 02:07
schestowitzanyway, back to tech...Aug 02 02:07
DaemonFCYou can't just "teach freedom" to people who are not civilized enough to be free.Aug 02 02:08
DaemonFCWho are not enlightened enough to appreciate it.Aug 02 02:08
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DaemonFCWho are not industrious enough to create.Aug 02 02:08
XRevan86MinceR: By the way, I couldn't connect to EFnet via TLS, because… expired certificate.Aug 02 02:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Hacker attack on the Lazio Region. Vaccine reservations suspended, shadow ransomwareAug 02 02:08
XRevan86The stamp of quality right there.Aug 02 02:08
AdmFubarthe black hole of quality?Aug 02 02:08
techrights-newsMore spying, more #patents ... bucking the trend 02 02:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patent reveals unsightly Galaxy Z Flip (4) with rotating hinge camera - SamMobileAug 02 02:09
DaemonFCThe rise in atheism and irreligion in the US hasn't been because people are getting more intelligent and realizing "Hey, this is stupid.". It's because people are miserable.Aug 02 02:09
DaemonFCYou know, the suicide rate has almost doubled in that amount of time too.Aug 02 02:09
DaemonFCDrug overdose has tripled.Aug 02 02:09
schestowitz-TRdoes that include clcohol?Aug 02 02:10
DaemonFCI don't think I've seen the stats on that.Aug 02 02:10
schestowitz-TRor just non-legal (to use odd wording) narcoticsAug 02 02:10
DaemonFCBut STDs are at their worst levels ever according to CDC.Aug 02 02:10
DaemonFCAnd they felt the need to tweet don't put your condoms in the dishwasher.Aug 02 02:10
DaemonFCI feel I need to make that into a song somehow.Aug 02 02:10
schestowitz-TRcdc?Aug 02 02:11
schestowitz-TRI need to watch out what I eat in america restaurants thenAug 02 02:11
DaemonFCCenters for Disease "Control". They did a really bang up job with COVID.Aug 02 02:11
schestowitz-TResp. the ones with dishwashers :=)Aug 02 02:11
DaemonFC"Use a new one each time you engage in a different sex act!"Aug 02 02:12
DaemonFCThanks, I got this!Aug 02 02:12
techrights-news#epo stenography rigging of this tribunal needs to be mentioned: 02 02:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Emergency use only: limited ruling on when video conferencing can be imposed for EPO Appeal oral proceedings - LexologyAug 02 02:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | G 1/21 is a Catastrophe for the EPO’s Legitimacy | TechrightsAug 02 02:13
DaemonFCI know why the STD rate is exploding.Aug 02 02:13
DaemonFC1. People are getting nastier now than ever before.Aug 02 02:13
schestowitzmaybe they should use a sockAug 02 02:14
DaemonFC2. PrEP has made people think they're in the clear, even though it's just (mostly) effective against HIV.Aug 02 02:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Spyware features found in Chinese state benefits app - The Record by Recorded FutureAug 02 02:14
DaemonFCactivelow was correct that the US has changed.Aug 02 02:14
schestowitzand then put that in the laundry... not that penetration with a sock on would pleasure then, but maybe this way they'd just stop f;ing aroundAug 02 02:14
DaemonFC30 years ago you generally didn't worry about where your kids were if you lived in a small town.Aug 02 02:14
DaemonFCNow even the small towns are ghetto.Aug 02 02:15
DaemonFCGetting there.Aug 02 02:15
schestowitzAdmFubar: CIA frontAug 02 02:15
schestowitzRecorded FutureAug 02 02:15
schestowitzthey also spy on IRCAug 02 02:15
schestowitzso a case of projectionAug 02 02:15
schestowitzRecorded Future talking about spyingAug 02 02:15
DaemonFCYour kids made a new friend? Talk to their parents for a bit and then have everyone over for dinner. Take turns on the Nintendo.Aug 02 02:15
DaemonFCMaybe go fly a kite down at the park.Aug 02 02:16
DaemonFCNow you have child soldiers.Aug 02 02:16
DaemonFCKids murdering kids.Aug 02 02:16
DaemonFCChicago is a third world country.Aug 02 02:16
DaemonFCStay out!Aug 02 02:16
DaemonFCIt's like that in every Democrat-majority city, you know.Aug 02 02:16
DaemonFCI wonder why.Aug 02 02:16
MinceRso it's not part of the USA anymore?Aug 02 02:16
MinceRnice.Aug 02 02:16
DaemonFCMinceR, It's basically a city-state that everyone else in Illinois wants rid of.Aug 02 02:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Python team fixes bug that allowed takeover of PyPI repository - The Record by Recorded FutureAug 02 02:17
techrights-newsA flask of goo that moves to the groove | Arduino Blog ⚓ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in 02 02:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A flask of goo that moves to the groove | Arduino BlogAug 02 02:17
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DaemonFCIt's pushed the rest of the state into debt for things that don't benefit anyone else and pushed liberal politics on people who don't want it.Aug 02 02:17
AdmFubar"Flask of Goo" great name for a band...Aug 02 02:18
techrights-newsThis magnetically levitated globe is an attractive piece of home decor | Arduino Blog ⚓ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in 02 02:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | This magnetically levitated globe is an attractive piece of home decor | Arduino BlogAug 02 02:18
DaemonFCMinceR, Neighborhood Scout rates cities on crime levels using 1 for most dangerous and 100 for safest.Aug 02 02:18
DaemonFCChicago, overall, has a score of 8, and when you consider that almost all of the crime happens in an area the size of a quarter of the city as a whole.... :)Aug 02 02:19
DaemonFCI think the town mom lives in was like 76 or something.Aug 02 02:19
techrights-newsSquashing bogus #patents has become a business #uspto #swpats #fakepatents #unifiedpatentsAug 02 02:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | July 2021 Developer Updates — Unified PatentsAug 02 02:19
DaemonFCWaukegan was like 18 iirc.Aug 02 02:19
DaemonFCNot great, but not Chicago either.Aug 02 02:19
DaemonFCI guarantee you the current outbreak of COVID in Lake County is centered on Waukegan.Aug 02 02:20
DaemonFCAll these black people who won't get their vaccine.Aug 02 02:20
techrights-news#nokia feeding #patentTrolls a #micorsoft legacy: 02 02:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | WSOU '213 reexamination request granted — Unified PatentsAug 02 02:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nokia - TechrightsAug 02 02:20
DaemonFCThe state has let it slip a few times that the lowest vaccination rate neighborhoods are majority black.Aug 02 02:20
DaemonFCThere, it can be as low as 20-25%.Aug 02 02:21
DaemonFCEven though the county as a whole is like over 70% fully vaccinated now.Aug 02 02:21
DaemonFCIt's basically black people giving it to each other.Aug 02 02:21
techrights-newsFake awards to fake law firms, which basically buy legitimacy from propaganda mills such as this (which they sponsor) 02 02:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IP STARS 2021: firm rankings for IP transactions work | Managing Intellectual PropertyAug 02 02:21
DaemonFCThe state has done a pretty good job getting the vaccine to others or explaining why they should take it, but there's virtually no uptake in black neighborhoods.Aug 02 02:22
DaemonFCThen the news (leftists) felt they needed to excuse this with "They think it's the return of the Syphilis experiments!".Aug 02 02:22
DaemonFCOh fucking really! Must be why 90% of white people are getting the vaccine.Aug 02 02:22
activelowDaemonFC: vaccination of exactly what?Aug 02 02:22
DaemonFCThere's something really dodgy with it and it's a conspiracy to commit mass suicide.Aug 02 02:23
techrights-news#nokia as a #patent parasite it made products until #microsoft decided to crush it. 02 02:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FOSS Patents: Daimler reloaded: another automotive company takes patent license from Nokia, which consistently insists on end-product-level licensingAug 02 02:23
DaemonFCWorst conspiracy ever, in fact.Aug 02 02:23
DaemonFCThe conspirators conspired to conspire themselves to death.Aug 02 02:23
activelowlast week a though i would ask the local vaccination center in Nürberg, and had a phone call.Aug 02 02:23
DaemonFCThe news is blaming the wrong folks.Aug 02 02:24
DaemonFCIf America was 100% white, COVID would be yesterday's news.Aug 02 02:24
activelowsince on TV they say everyone should have received a vaccination offer. i didn't, not would i want to.Aug 02 02:24
techrights-newsWell, they should move to #gnu #linux then... instead they're being manoeuvred by #Microsoft #SouthAfrica [sic], which makes the country even poorer 02 02:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | SA Conflict 2021: Ubuntu is part of the South African DNAAug 02 02:24
DaemonFCAt the levels of vaccine uptake among white people.Aug 02 02:24
DaemonFCIn January, during the worst of it (so far) if you saw anyone out there not wearing their masks, it was a black person. Usually a whole group of them.Aug 02 02:25
activelowIn Nürnberg they are offering the experimental "mRNA" stuff, moderna and biontech, none of which i would trust.Aug 02 02:25
DaemonFCThey had this whole "What are you gonna do about it!?" look on them too.Aug 02 02:25
techrights-news#google and by extension the US government will keep all this data regardless. You ONLY HIDE IT FROM YOURSELF! 02 02:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to Clear the Web Browsing History on Your Android Device - Make Tech EasierAug 02 02:25
DaemonFCBut then again, nothing out of the usual there.Aug 02 02:25
DaemonFCThe first one to complain gets shot. :)Aug 02 02:25
DaemonFCSo, this whole shitshow just never ends.Aug 02 02:26
schestowitz-TR[02:24] <DaemonFC> If America was 100% white, COVID would be yesterday's news.Aug 02 02:26
schestowitz-TRBS and OTAug 02 02:26
schestowitz-TRcovid deniers are mosly american whitesAug 02 02:27
DaemonFCThat's simply not true.Aug 02 02:27
DaemonFCLook at vaccination rates in Chicago neighborhoods.Aug 02 02:27
schestowitz-TRin Germany it's people who gravitates towards right-leaning partiesAug 02 02:27
activelowyes, only moderate right-wing remained credible.Aug 02 02:27
DaemonFCCDPH released neighborhood by neighborhood percentages.Aug 02 02:28
DaemonFCAnd it's always the fucking ghetto ones where it's like really low.Aug 02 02:28
activelowwhich is only a small minority remaining: maybe 10% of the entire population, who would at least read and think some newspaper.Aug 02 02:28
DaemonFCDespite the fact that they can get it for free on every corner.Aug 02 02:28
schestowitz-TRyou use covid for racism, DaemonFCAug 02 02:28
schestowitz-TRso wtfuAug 02 02:28
schestowitz-TR*stfuAug 02 02:28
DaemonFCFrankly, I'm beyond annoyed that we're still dealing with this and that the blame is being shifted to the only people you can still blame for everything.Aug 02 02:29
schestowitz-TRtwo BS narratives:Aug 02 02:29
DaemonFCEven Felta got his vaccine.Aug 02 02:29
schestowitz-TRpeople who reject vaccines are anti-science or right wingersAug 02 02:29
schestowitz-TRor some "ethinic" smearAug 02 02:29
DaemonFCFelta consults psychics and just got banned from Facebook for 30 days for all sorts of reasons.Aug 02 02:29
schestowitz-TRanyway, back to tech...Aug 02 02:30
DaemonFCAnd HE got his vaccine while the news and the public health authorities say you just can't get black people in there.Aug 02 02:30
schestowitz-TRand patents etc.Aug 02 02:30
DaemonFCStatistics are not racist. Aug 02 02:30
schestowitz-TRpoor people are more sceptical of vaccinesAug 02 02:30
DaemonFCYou may not be happy with them, but they're not racist.Aug 02 02:30
schestowitz-TRand in the US race and poverty have a correlationAug 02 02:31
DaemonFCYou don't use condoms, you get 9x the rate of syphilis and gonorrhea as those who do.Aug 02 02:31
DaemonFCYOu don't get your COVID shot, you get COVID.Aug 02 02:31
techrights-newsThis Week in Linux 162: Framework Laptop, Pop!_OS Rolling Release, Linux Mint, WayDroid 02 02:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-162: Framework Laptop, Pop!_OS Rolling Release, Linux Mint, WayDroid | This Week in Linux - TuxDigitalAug 02 02:31
DaemonFCIn fact, I think they should start separating the "positive for the virus" and "COVID" into two separate columns. Four actually. One for vaccinated and unvaccinated too.Aug 02 02:32
DaemonFCReport it on a web page.Aug 02 02:32
DaemonFCAt this point just being positive for the virus doesn't seem to matter all that much if you have your vaccine.Aug 02 02:32
DaemonFCCOVID is short for "Coronavirus Disease" and if it's not harming you, I don't know if "Disease" is the right thing to call it.Aug 02 02:33
DaemonFCInfection, sure. Disease. Maybe not.Aug 02 02:33
activelowthe diseases is the fake newsAug 02 02:34
techrights-newsSince when does #Microsoft get to tell us anything about security (while shilling projects it controls in #GitHub )? 02 02:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Episode 282 – The security of Rust: who left all this awesome in here? – Open Source SecurityAug 02 02:34
DaemonFCIt's sort of like early HIV pandemic when they were just using "AIDS" for everyone who got it.Aug 02 02:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | No, Microsoft Does Not Get to Lecture Us on GNU/Linux Security (or Security in General) | TechrightsAug 02 02:34
DaemonFCDidn't really matter. Usually by the time you knew about it, it was AIDS and nothing to be done, and dead in <5 years.Aug 02 02:34
DaemonFCNow the distinction between HIV and AIDS matters, so there is one.Aug 02 02:34
DaemonFCVaccinated people are almost certainly going to be "Coronavirus carriers" for a week or two and not even notice.Aug 02 02:35
techrights-news"According to the Steam Survey numbers out today for July 2021, Steam on Linux hit a 1.0% marketshare, or a +0.14% increase over the month prior." see 02 02:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Steam Survey Shows Linux Marketshare Hitting 1.0% - PhoronixAug 02 02:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | StatCounter: In May 2021 Windows Market Share Falls Sharply to Just 28%, Whereas GNU/Linux Climbs to 2.31% in Desktops/Laptops | TechrightsAug 02 02:36
DaemonFCThe plague victims are the ones who didn't get the vaccine and go overflow the hospital and then we've got refrigerator trucks for the bodies again.Aug 02 02:36
DaemonFCAt this point there's a choice and that makes getting COVID almsot a moral failing, doesn't it?Aug 02 02:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, August 01, 2021Aug 02 02:36
techrights-news#IBM "try to force #centos users to become IBM clients" 02 02:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, August 01, 2021Aug 02 02:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, August 01, 2021Aug 02 02:37
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DaemonFCFacebook says a link to Richard Stallman's personal website goes against their community standards.Aug 02 02:39
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techrights-news"The UK High Court has held that an insulin pump product owned by Roche Diabetes Care does not infringe a patent of US medical device company Insulet (case no: HP-2020-000026)." #patent #patents #uk 02 02:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Roche Diabetes and WilmerHale rebut insulin pump infringement claim in London - JUVE PatentAug 02 02:39
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techrights-newsPumping up shares with bubbles and fake "property" when #patent hoarders and #litigation firms fund a publication...Aug 02 02:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Putting the IP in IPOs: how counsel help companies go public | Managing Intellectual PropertyAug 02 02:40
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activelowi doubt "covid" as a univariate morbidity indicator is scientifically, uhm, verifiedAug 02 02:41
DaemonFCThe official narrative is that "inequality" is killing black people with COVID at higher rates.Aug 02 02:43
DaemonFCBut offering the vaccine for free to everyone on every street corner in America is pretty equitable, wouldn't you say?Aug 02 02:44
techrights-news#copyright #cartel in #security clothing 02 02:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Austrian Supreme Court refers further questions for a preliminary ruling on the InfoSoc Directive - The IPKatAug 02 02:44
techrights-news"The alternative procedure, namely that of mutual recognition, requires the application of strict conditions, such as the MA application for a given medicinal product in one Member State with the objective to recognize that specific MA in yet other Member States. The factual situation in the case at hand does not meet these requirements." 02 02:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Medicines Directive interpreted by the CJEU in an interesting new ruling C-178/20 - The IPKatAug 02 02:46
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DaemonFCIt's a lopsided problem. You're dealing with a combined 30% of America's population where 80 or 85% of them won't take the vaccine.Aug 02 02:49
DaemonFCSo they're really punching above their weight when it comes to keeping this thing burning.Aug 02 02:49
DaemonFCFauci came out today and said "100 million Americans or so are eligible and won't take it.". Didn't go further than that. But, yeah.Aug 02 02:50
DaemonFCThe government is panicking. They say maybe FDA approval will solve some of the problem. Yeah, that's going to fix "nuts" and "stupid".Aug 02 02:51
DaemonFCJust slap "FDA approved on it". They'll come around.Aug 02 02:51
DaemonFCI just don't see how. I mean, short of arresting people and forcing them to take the vaccine, we've hit bedrock.Aug 02 02:52
techrights-newsVery slippery slope in #SouthAfrica 02 02:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-South Africa Issues World's First Patent With AI Inventor - Law360Aug 02 02:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Software Patents in South Africa - TechrightsAug 02 02:55
techrights-newsIt's not an inventor at all, that's just #patent maximalism at work, trying to make conflicts and legal wars because they profit from chaos 02 02:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | South Africa issues world's first patent naming AI as inventor - Mathys & Squire LLPAug 02 02:57
techrights-news#marketing #spam in 'article' clothing (far too common in the #patent #litigation domain) 02 02:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-whoswholegal - Analysis - IP 2021 - Patent Agents & Attorneys - Legal Marketplace AnalysisAug 02 02:58
techrights-news#Xfce "Welcome back. This is my last (or second to last) blog post for this year's Google Summer of Code with Xfce and Thunar. Unlike previous weeks this time I have only one new thing to talk to you about. Searching in Thunar." 02 03:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Σέργιος - Ανέστης ΚεφαλίδηςAug 02 03:00
techrights-news"At the end of July, I had some days off and some more time to focus on some unreproducible packages in Arch Linux and get some of the issues resolved. This post goes through the resolved issues by category." 02 03:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Jelly's blog – Arch Reproducible Progress July 2021Aug 02 03:02
techrights-newsEmmanuele Bassi: Documenting GNOME for developers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ GNOME breaking backward compatibility for its Web site/s too. Consistent with GNOME and GTK breakage.Aug 02 03:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Emmanuele Bassi: Documenting GNOME for developers | Tux MachinesAug 02 03:05
techrights-newsA "flush it all down and let's start all over again" in web/dev context is an admission and acceptance of defeat, looking for quick and easy ways out. A form of laziness.Aug 02 03:06
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Ariadneschestowitz-TR: wellAug 02 03:07
Ariadnei think in terms of techrightsAug 02 03:07
Ariadneflush it all down and restartAug 02 03:07
Ariadneis probably a good ideaAug 02 03:07
Ariadnesince it's a lot of PHP applications glued together in strange waysAug 02 03:07
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techrights-news#DennisCrouch is still concern-trolling #PTAB , in pursuit of #patent maximalist agenda (maximising lawsuits). He's sponsored by a #litigation giant. 02 03:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Three recent Utility Decisions at the PTAB | Patently-OAug 02 03:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PTAB and CAFC Crush Patents on Business Methods and Software, So Dennis Crouch Tries to Slow Them Down | TechrightsAug 02 03:09
AdmFubar 02 03:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The pandemic effect is slowing – TechCrunchAug 02 03:09
schestowitzAriadne: if done right, urls can be preservedAug 02 03:09
AriadnesureAug 02 03:09
schestowitze.g. making static pagesAug 02 03:09
schestowitzunlike what gnome does atmAug 02 03:10
Ariadnei'm just saying, the current architecture of techrightsAug 02 03:10
Ariadneneeds to be burned to the groundAug 02 03:10
Ariadne:pAug 02 03:10
schestowitznot just techrights btwAug 02 03:10
schestowitzloads of sites like itAug 02 03:10
techrights-ipfs-botQmNSNxDGf8uW24qwfnLjXrvXVvHmUMuSgb1HJu756yHhudAug 02 03:10
schestowitzmy own site is mostly static pagesAug 02 03:10
schestowitzso it was easy to maintain all those years...Aug 02 03:11
schestowitzAdmFubar: they only cite rich peopleAug 02 03:11
schestowitzand companiesAug 02 03:12
schestowitztypical wsj/murdoch slantAug 02 03:12
schestowitzthe rich are doing okAug 02 03:12
schestowitzhence, the nation is okAug 02 03:12
schestowitznever mind the people out of worAug 02 03:12
schestowitzthey're all just "lazy"Aug 02 03:12
techrights-news#Trademarks on STICKS #Trademark #LawAug 02 03:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trademark on Product Design: Are these biscuit sticks functional | Patently-OAug 02 03:13
schestowitzanother 2 talking points:Aug 02 03:14
schestowitz1. THE MARKET IS HOT!!Aug 02 03:14
schestowitz2. Unemployment is low. Elephant in the room: 02 03:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Workforce - WikipediaAug 02 03:14
schestowitz"As of 2010 in the United States, 123 million women age 16 years and over have worked in the U.S., 72 million, or 58.6 percent, were working or looking for work."Aug 02 03:15
schestowitzSo a lot of this growth was, lower wagesAug 02 03:16
schestowitzadd more peopleAug 02 03:16
schestowitzleave more people unemployedAug 02 03:16
schestowitzand then we wonder why the rich get so much richer so fastAug 02 03:16
schestowitzwe give them all the capital!Aug 02 03:16
AriadnesureAug 02 03:17
techrights-newsThe war on #PTAB goes on, boosted by people who favour #fakepatents and frivolous #litigation 02 03:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Supreme Court Called Again to Review IPR Appeal: This time on Discretionary Denials | Patently-OAug 02 03:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PTAB and CAFC Crush Patents on Business Methods and Software, So Dennis Crouch Tries to Slow Them Down | TechrightsAug 02 03:18
techrights-newsBetter than Dennis Crouch's race-baiting against #cafc judges whose decisions he did not like 02 03:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Congratulations Judge O'MalleyAug 02 03:19
techrights-news#PostgreSQL Weekly News - August 1, 2021: "PostgreSQL Weekly News is brought to you this week by David Fetter" 02 03:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PostgreSQL: PostgreSQL Weekly News - August 1, 2021Aug 02 03:23
DaemonFCschestowitz, If Mandy and I get the shit end of the stick all the time and still manage to do okay most of the time, I don't see what these people are complaining about.Aug 02 03:24
techrights-news#LinuxActionNews once again engaging in #Microsoft #apologism and boosting, perhaps as the owners of the show would demand 02 03:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft-Connected CloudGuru Doesn’t Care About GNU/Linux and Now It’s Gradually Killing the BSD/Linux-Centric Jupiter Broadcasting (Bought by Linux Academy) | TechrightsAug 02 03:24
DaemonFCThey got 18 months of more pay than if they worked.Aug 02 03:24
schestowitz-TRtake that to #techpolAug 02 03:24
DaemonFCThen they got 6 months of rent that they could have paid but didn't paid for them by the state.Aug 02 03:24
DaemonFCFree food. Free internet. Free Medicaid.Aug 02 03:25
DaemonFCThen all they want to do is complain about all the time off and free money.Aug 02 03:25
DaemonFCNow the rest of us get to deal with hyperinflation for putting all of these fine folks in a hammock.Aug 02 03:26
techrights-news#patent #Monopolies versus #accessToMedicines #patents #monopolyAug 02 03:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Patents and Drug Availability | Patently-OAug 02 03:26
DaemonFCThe only way Joe Biden could or would ever win an election is against Donald Trump or at least someone as retarded and crass as Trump.Aug 02 03:27
DaemonFCIt was like Biden was put up in the debates to be a muppet that couldn't take a swing at Trump and he still won somehow.Aug 02 03:27
techrights-news#AnalyticsIndiaMagazine ... one day it's #microsoft #propaganda (deliberate lies), then it devolves into #plutophilia 02 03:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Musk’s Neuralink Raises Money, India’s AI for All & More:Top Weekly NewsAug 02 03:27
DaemonFCI voted for him, wasn't expecting him to win.... Wasn't entirely confident that Trump would leave after he lost.Aug 02 03:28
DaemonFCIn many ways, we're better off, in many ways we're just as bad off.Aug 02 03:28
DaemonFCTrump signed plenty of the bills that wasted all of this money and he did it because he didn't want to have a full blown uprising where people would have removed him months before the election.Aug 02 03:29
techrights-newsThe #patent system and patent #law hijacked for an entirely different agenda that does not reward #science and #innovation at all 02 03:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Artificial intelligence can now be recognised as an inventor after historic Australian court decision - ABC NewsAug 02 03:29
techrights-newsTHANK YOU FOR PATENTING! 02 03:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Philip Morris USA halts U.S. expansion of heat-not-burn traditional cigarettes | Local | journalnow.comAug 02 03:30
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: it is OTAug 02 03:30
DaemonFCBut the whole shutdown/lockdown "30 days to slow the spread" that went on for over a year and here we are still in the thick of it. It was political.Aug 02 03:30
schestowitz-TRtake that to an apprporate channel plsAug 02 03:30
techrights-newsPretentious lawyers from #london misuse the word "piracy" it's usually their firms that steal the mostAug 02 03:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | BPI Gives Summary Of Agreement By Creative Industries And Social Media Firms On New Anti-piracy Measures At Government Roundtable Discussion - Intellectual Property - UKAug 02 03:33
techrights-newsNo, there is no such thing as "intellectual property rights" ()several different lies in that term) and monopolies are not a "portfolio"; it's rather revealing who these people front for... 02 03:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to manage your patent portfolioAug 02 03:35
techrights-newsOpposing unjust #monopolies isn't a weapon and #justice is not a war This is a gross reversal of narratives to make victims seem like aggressors.Aug 02 03:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Opposition – an underestimated weapon | World Trademark ReviewAug 02 03:36
techrights-newsGiven the awful quality of today's #EuropeanPatents , this does not deserve a press release see 02 03:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kane Biotech Receives Decisions to Grant for Two European Patents Providing Broad Protection of coactiv+™ Technology for Wound Care, Skin Infections and Personal Care FormulationsAug 02 03:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO Staff Representation Again Warns About Collapse in Patent Quality (Due to Bad Management), Suggests Potential Improvements | TechrightsAug 02 03:38
techrights-newsReview: Pacstall - AUR for Ubuntu • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ 02 03:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Review: Pacstall - AUR for Ubuntu | Tux MachinesAug 02 03:42
techrights-newsCrouch still trying to create a rift between #CAFC and #PTAB see 02 03:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Adequate Notice and the Administrative Procedures Act | Patently-OAug 02 03:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PTAB and CAFC Crush Patents on Business Methods and Software, So Dennis Crouch Tries to Slow Them Down | TechrightsAug 02 03:45
techrights-newsIf #taxpayers and #tuition fees funded it, they ought not pursue #patents in the first place, let alone pass these to trolls 02 03:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Aug 02 03:46
techrights-news#Patent #law bordering on the laughable now. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the original purpose of the law. 02 03:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | World's first patent for AI-generated invention could have repercussions on intellectual property lawAug 02 03:48
techrights-newsThe "hey hi" hype and other nonsense as justification for #patent maximalists, irrespective of any actual benefits to society 02 03:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Officials Approve World's First Patent to Credit an AI as Inventor | Technology NetworksAug 02 03:49
AdmFubar 02 03:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pfizer Court Fight Could Legalize Medicare Copays and Unleash ‘Gold Rush’ in Sales | naked capitalismAug 02 03:50
AdmFubar 02 03:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Wolf Richter: After Slashing 33% of Workers in 6 Years, Railroads Complain about Labor Shortages, amid Uproar over Slow Shipments | naked capitalismAug 02 03:50
techrights-news"HEY HI" and "HI PEE"; more useless buzzwords along with "life sciences" (to pretend nature and life are somehow "inventions" see 02 03:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The impact of AI on life sciences for in-house IP teams - LatinAllianceAug 02 03:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Term ‘Life Science’ Has Outlived Its Usefulness | TechrightsAug 02 03:51
techrights-news#fakeEconomy #poorShaming 02 03:53
AdmFubar 02 03:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Is the Soil an "Ecosystem Service" That Can Be Priced? | naked capitalismAug 02 03:53
techrights-news#monopoly #patents #grifting 02 03:54
schestowitzAdmFubar: [10:06] <techrights-news> Pinnacle of 21st century capitalism: few people becoming millionaires or even billionaires for packing water and soil inside plastics, then selling that plastic for like 1-3 dollars apiece. "SUCCESS" !!Aug 02 03:54
schestowitzfrom yesterdayAug 02 03:54
schestowitzin aldi it's 1.99 for a bag of soilAug 02 03:55
schestowitzplastic with dirt in itAug 02 03:55
schestowitzsome people carve rocksAug 02 03:55
AdmFubaryou mean dirt with plastic in it.Aug 02 03:55
schestowitzthen sell that for like 20 pounds a rockAug 02 03:55
schestowitznature does not get "commissions" :-)Aug 02 03:56
schestowitzAdmFubar: lol, yes, that tooAug 02 03:56
AdmFubarsome don't even carve them... them just sell them as pet rocks..Aug 02 03:56
schestowitzplastic with dirt with micro-plastics in itAug 02 03:56
AdmFubar 02 03:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Artificial Intelligence Wants You (and Your Job) | naked capitalismAug 02 03:56
schestowitzworms not included, yet...Aug 02 03:56
schestowitzAdmFubar: they mean automationAug 02 03:56
schestowitznot "HEY HI"Aug 02 03:56
schestowitzwhatever it even means these days...Aug 02 03:57
AdmFubaroff to view the insides of my eyelids....Aug 02 03:59
AdmFubarnight allAug 02 03:59
techrights-news"Over the decades (sigh) I’ve been involved in various capacities in cases where practitioners have missed deadlines" #patent #lawyers just don't care. $200 an hour, cannot get the basics right...Aug 02 03:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Deadlines: Thoughts for Good and Bad Practices?Aug 02 03:59
DaemonFCschestowitz, Nestle invaded Michigan and makes billions selling water in plastic and plastic in water to people like MARISOL.Aug 02 04:01
DaemonFCThey get it all in exchange for paying like $100 a year to the state.Aug 02 04:01
techrights-news#JoeMatal moved from #USPTO leadership (interim) to the private sector, highlighting sever issues like #revolvingdoors 02 04:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Webinar Materials - Truly Inventive: Improving the Quality of Issued Patents — Unified PatentsAug 02 04:01
DaemonFCQ: What kind of fucking idiot buys water in plastic bottles when you get the best water in the country already?Aug 02 04:02
DaemonFCA: MARISOLAug 02 04:02
*AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has left #techrightsAug 02 04:02
techrights-news#germany doors open to #patentTrolls and other parasites that feed #de based #law firms 02 04:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FOSS Patents: Dusseldorf appeals court narrowly avoids divergent outcomes in Via v. TCL patent cases concerning Sisvel v. Haier FRAND defense, deems TCL unwilling either wayAug 02 04:02
DaemonFCIf it just tastes a little off, you can run it through a cheap filter and put it in the fridge.Aug 02 04:03
DaemonFCAt least that way you get 40 gallons or so out of a $4 filter instead of 5 gallons that you lug home for $6.Aug 02 04:04
DaemonFCschestowitz, The Tondo Queen likes conspicuous consumption.Aug 02 04:05
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techrights-news#Techrights Bulletin for Sunday, August 01, 2021 full archive: #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintextAug 02 04:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bulletin ArchivesAug 02 04:08
techrights-news#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now available as plain text @ #dweb #sharingAug 02 04:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Techrights Full IPFS IndexAug 02 04:08
schestowitz-TRMinceR: real churchill quote?Aug 02 04:10
MinceRdunno, found it on goodreads.comAug 02 04:10
techrights-news#greenwashing #Trademarks #Trademark #Law #PolandAug 02 04:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trademarks "Eco-friendly" What's New in Poland?, Ewa TefelskaAug 02 04:11
techrights-newsNo, it does not "Set Precedent for IP [sic] Laws Everywhere" because that's just the nature of different places having different laws; and #patent maximalists are jubilant about another blow to the credibility of a crooked system 02 04:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | AI Invention Gets Patent In a World First; Sets Precedent for IP Laws Everywhere | Tech TimesAug 02 04:13
techrights-news"two inventors who were finalists of the European Inventor Award 2019, organized by the European Patent Office (EPO)." = Two people were exploited by criminals who engage in #corruption at the #epo as a #reputationlaundering distraction 02 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | D3O: Making an Impact in Personal Protective Equipment - DirectIndustry e-MagazineAug 02 04:15
techrights-news"Smart Cash Registers" = NOT smart. Just another spammy promotion with intentionally misleading labels. see 02 04:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Smart Cash Registers Market Expectation Surges with Rising Demand and Changing Trends – Domestic ViolenceAug 02 04:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ‘Self-Service’ is Just an Unjust Disservice by Selfish Business People | TechrightsAug 02 04:17
techrights-news"The recall is being issued due to the potential presence of small plastic pieces in the product, officials say." Wait, #plastic is BAD for you??? 02 04:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Supermarket With Hudson Valley, New York Stores Recalls 15 ItemsAug 02 04:19
techrights-news#Lawyers or #litigation people won't mind if you claim to "own" the Sky, too #trademarkAug 02 04:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Sky v SkyKick: door open for broad brands, but caution remains | Managing Intellectual PropertyAug 02 04:20
DaemonFCThere's a canned pheasant hunt going on downstate.Aug 02 04:21
DaemonFCI hope someone invited Dick Cheney.....for the lulz.Aug 02 04:22
techrights-newsSpeaking of Sky and #monopolies 02 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Promptu Systems Corporation V Sky UK Limited And Others, 19 July 2021, Case No. [2021] EWHC 2021 (Pat) - Kluwer Patent BlogAug 02 04:22
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, What kind of a sick fuck grabs a shotgun and goes after some birds that can't even fly, in a fenced area, and calls it hunting?Aug 02 04:22
techrights-newsGiven the EU's tolerance and cover-up of #epo crimes, these GIs might get associated with #corruption rather than value see 02 04:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Counsel weigh up options as EU eyes enhanced GI protection | Managing Intellectual PropertyAug 02 04:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO - TechrightsAug 02 04:24
techrights-newsFails to note that European Patents aren't often legitimate (not anymore) because the law isn't being obeyed. 02 04:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Cavitation Technologies, Inc. (CVAT) Significantly Expands Patent PortfolioAug 02 04:25
DaemonFCIt doesn't seem like there's much sport in it.Aug 02 04:25
DaemonFCYou're not hunting things. You're just walking up to an animal that someone put there and shooting it.Aug 02 04:26
DaemonFCSounds pretty messed up.Aug 02 04:26
schestowitz-TRyeahAug 02 04:27
schestowitz-TRwe talked about it yesterdayAug 02 04:27
schestowitz-TRsome places in africa call it "sport"Aug 02 04:27
schestowitz-TRor "play"Aug 02 04:27
schestowitz-TReuphemisms for murder-> huntingAug 02 04:27
schestowitz-TRHans ReisterAug 02 04:27
schestowitz-TRlocked up for "play"Aug 02 04:27
schestowitz-TR"sport" with the wifeAug 02 04:27
schestowitz-TR"hunting"Aug 02 04:27
schestowitz-TR*ReiserAug 02 04:28
schestowitz-TRhumans are good at making up excusesAug 02 04:28
schestowitz-TR"cull"Aug 02 04:28
techrights-news#HowTo Install Damn Vulnerable Web Application on #RockLinux 8 - LinuxCapable ⚓ ䷉ #linuxcapable | more in 02 04:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsAug 02 04:29
techrights-newsAudiocasts/Shows: Linux Action News, Josh Bressers on Security, and This Week in Linux • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 04:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Audiocasts/Shows: Linux Action News, Josh Bressers on Security, and This Week in Linux | Tux MachinesAug 02 04:31
techrights-news#diffutils 3.8 released [stable] • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 04:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | diffutils-3.8 released [stable] | Tux MachinesAug 02 04:34
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 04:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesAug 02 04:34
DaemonFC<schestowitz-TR> euphemisms for murder-> huntingAug 02 04:35
DaemonFCWell, my uncle hunts, but it's an actual hunt, like for deer.Aug 02 04:35
schestowitz-TRcan the deer fight back?Aug 02 04:35
DaemonFCAnd he does take the meat and freeze it, and they eat it all.Aug 02 04:35
schestowitz-TRdoes your uncle have to eat just deer?Aug 02 04:35
DaemonFCI ate some of it once while we were down there. They aren't very well to do, so they do a lot of things themselves.Aug 02 04:36
schestowitz-TRso he take a live and healthy animal to turn it into his "property"Aug 02 04:36
DaemonFCIf you hunt for meat, you don't spend money at the meat counter at the store.Aug 02 04:36
DaemonFCThe deer are overpopulated.Aug 02 04:37
schestowitz-TRand humans?Aug 02 04:37
DaemonFCThey starve if the population gets too high, and there's more to hit with your cars.Aug 02 04:37
techrights-news#Steam Survey Shows Linux Marketshare Hitting 1.0% • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 04:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Steam Survey Shows Linux Marketshare Hitting 1.0% | Tux MachinesAug 02 04:37
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, You don't like hamburgers?Aug 02 04:37
schestowitz-TRnoAug 02 04:37
schestowitz-TRask bill(tm)Aug 02 04:38
schestowitz-TRhe sells patented stuffAug 02 04:38
DaemonFCI'm pretty sure hamburger is a code.Aug 02 04:38
schestowitz-TRbecause he could not patent cowsAug 02 04:38
DaemonFCThey're on to pizza.Aug 02 04:38
DaemonFCSo off to hamburgers.Aug 02 04:38
schestowitz-TRwell, EPO gives patents on bred pigsAug 02 04:38
DaemonFCI made some hamburgers the other day.Aug 02 04:38
schestowitz-TRpizza is also pedo codeAug 02 04:38
schestowitz-TRiirc, child for sexAug 02 04:38
schestowitz-TRmaleAug 02 04:38
DaemonFCWe don't buy too much red meat at the store anymore unless it's a markdown, and those are rare. It's mostly chicken.Aug 02 04:39
DaemonFCOh god, and chicken is code too.Aug 02 04:39
DaemonFCPeople are perverts.Aug 02 04:39
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, Someone bought the Rick Jones condo in January.Aug 02 04:40
DaemonFCPaid like $440,000-ish for it I think.Aug 02 04:40
techrights-newsThey mean #monopolies on designs. Yes, monopoly is good for #monopoly "owner"... 02 04:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The economic value of designs | World Trademark ReviewAug 02 04:40
techrights-newsWhen tech events get hijacked by #patent aggressors looking for a buck by terrifying people or stealing inventories 02 04:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Low level of judicial activity during the 2021 Mobile World Congress - Kluwer Patent BlogAug 02 04:41
techrights-news#Pfizer #monopolies #greed #anda 02 04:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ANDA cases will hit decade low, suggests H1 2021 data | Managing Intellectual PropertyAug 02 04:43
techrights-news#eu promoting #monopolies and propping up misleading #propaganda terms, then wonders why there's resistance to it (it also covers up #EPO crimes) see 02 04:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Counsel: EU IP support schemes for SMEs lack ‘winning formula’ | Managing Intellectual PropertyAug 02 04:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | European Commission’s Thierry Breton Covers Up EPO Corruption For His Friend Benoît Battistelli | TechrightsAug 02 04:45
techrights-news"Judge Kathleen O'Malley will retire from the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in March 2022, it was announced on Wednesday, July 28." 02 04:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | This week in IP: SkyKick opens door for brands, IP ‘heart’ of UK innovation, InterDigital beats Lenovo | Managing Intellectual PropertyAug 02 04:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit (CAFC) - TechrightsAug 02 04:48
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techrights-newsBy "Sources" they mean sponsors and they moan for "interested parties during litigation" i.e. international law firms rather than people of India. This is a propaganda mill for colonialism through unjust laws, imposed by blackmailing officials 02 04:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | India counsel call for design system overhaul | Managing Intellectual PropertyAug 02 04:50
techrights-newsTruly ridiculous: Why might an Australian Applicant consider nominating the Korean International Search Authority (KR-ISA)? 02 04:51
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techrights-news#China turning a broken system against itself, first in #patents and now in #trademarks . Get popcorn. 02 04:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trademark surge at USPTO stifles Madrid and pharma filers | Managing Intellectual PropertyAug 02 04:52
techrights-newsTruly ridiculous #trademarks we've sunk to... 02 04:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Empty reply from server ( status 0 @ )Aug 02 04:55
techrights-newsMonopolies on simple names (generic) 02 04:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | OK. Everyone knows MESSI. But Miley Cyrus? - Kluwer Trademark BlogAug 02 04:56
techrights-newsThere is no such thing as #intellectualproperty (it's a delivberate falsehood) so it is a false category and moreover this site is broken. Blank pages unless you run some #ProprietarySoftware from untrusted party 02 04:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 21 Best New Intellectual Property Books To Read In 2021 - BookAuthorityAug 02 04:59
techrights-newsLatest Arduino Projects • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ 02 04:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Latest Arduino Projects | Tux MachinesAug 02 05:00
schestowitzDaemonFC: source for the house/apartment sale?Aug 02 05:00
techrights-newsThugs and liars from #BirdandBird fancy themselves "design" (monopoly) experts see and 02 05:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | CITMA - EU designs updateAug 02 05:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Epitaph for (Death of) Patent-Centric Media: Litigation Giant Bird & Bird Nowadays Doing Ads as ‘Podcasts’ in Think Tank Site ‘Managing IP’ | TechrightsAug 02 05:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Miriam Ballhausen and Debian Money, DebConf Online, Insulting a Volunteer at a Time of Grief | TechrightsAug 02 05:02
DaemonFCZillow I think.Aug 02 05:02
DaemonFCSaid it sold in January.Aug 02 05:02
schestowitzwho from?Aug 02 05:03
schestowitzmaybe he already leftAug 02 05:03
schestowitzand was rentingAug 02 05:03
schestowitzmaybe hiding under some rock with financial support from Famous Criminal(R)Aug 02 05:03
DaemonFCIt doesn't say from/to.Aug 02 05:04
DaemonFCJust January something.Aug 02 05:04
DaemonFC 02 05:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-1530 NW Market St #211, Seattle, WA 98107 | MLS# 1653886 | RedfinAug 02 05:05
DaemonFCThis home last sold for $440,000 on Jan 28, 2021.Aug 02 05:05
DaemonFCANyway, gotta go to bed now.Aug 02 05:05
DaemonFCgnAug 02 05:05
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techrights-newsHaha. "Smart".... 02 05:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple hit with patent infringement lawsuit for selling a smart water bottle | AppleInsiderAug 02 05:10
techrights-news"The overturned ruling bucks the trend we've previously seen in the US and UK." Even the corrupt #EPO opposed this 02 05:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Australian Court Rules That AI Can Be an InventorAug 02 05:12
techrights-newsThe term "life science" is a misnomer, just like "IP"; the patent cartel leverages these propaganda term to further an unlawful agenda see 02 05:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The benefits of outsourcing patent activities for life science companies in a changing IP landscape | IAMAug 02 05:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Term ‘Life Science’ Has Outlived Its Usefulness | TechrightsAug 02 05:14
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techrights-newsFraming mass #surveillance and abuses of human rights as "innovation" #apple #cultAug 02 05:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New Apple Patent Reveals The Ultimate iPhone UpgradeAug 02 05:15
techrights-newsSooooooooooooooooooo ugly 02 05:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Tesla discloses Cybertruck design influences in fascinating new patent - ElectrekAug 02 05:17
techrights-newsWorld leader in #fakepatents or low-quality #patents that make you wonder of a Third Opium War has quietly begun already 02 05:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | China’s Rules Utility Model Patent UnenforceableAug 02 05:19
techrights-newsAll those #patent #lawyers that lobby to kill millions of people just to keep prices artificially high with #patents dig their own grave; the public opinion on the #patent system is rapidly shifting 02 05:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Global COVID Vaccine IP Protection Approval Needed by WTOAug 02 05:20
techrights-newsThe #monopoly #goldrush is good for nobody "incentive to reveal its breakthrough only if its rival has not done so, and only if the research is costly."Aug 02 05:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Revealing Private Information in a Patent Race by Pavel Kocourek :: SSRNAug 02 05:22
techrights-news#europe #corruption #patents #eu #epo 02 05:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | European Commission’s Thierry Breton Covers Up EPO Corruption For His Friend Benoît Battistelli | TechrightsAug 02 05:23
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techrights-newsNOT at all happy to see #linuxhint turning into more of an #amazon referral #SPAM farm. This has gotten a lot worse lately, making the site as a whole dodgy for its rogue business model.Aug 02 05:26
techrights-newsRaspberry Pi Compute Module 4 mini router keeps cool with aluminum alloy cover • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 05:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 mini router keeps cool with aluminum alloy cover | Tux MachinesAug 02 05:28
techrights-newsWe need to form some sort of support network for #journalism to ensure that remaining (functional, honest) news sites don't sell out or defect to the spam/misinformation industry 02 05:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Different Types of Spammy ‘Articles’ and ‘Reviews’ Which Have Killed ‘Professional Journalism’ (Nowadays Mostly SPAM) | TechrightsAug 02 05:31
techrights-newsThe financial burden should always be on monopolists, not the accused parties they bully, but #Germany is 'sold' to the highest bidder already (and their lawyers) 02 05:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Overview Of The Costs Of Patent Infringement And Patent Nullity Proceedings In Germany - Intellectual Property - GermanyAug 02 05:32
techrights-newsThey invent new #laws to protect their dominance and claim that their rivals "break the law" 02 05:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stautistic: Another daily reminder that intellectual property is stupid and is only enforced by people who didn’t invent a godd… 02 05:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stautistic: Another daily reminder that intellectual property is stupid and is only enforced by people who didn’t invent a godd… 02 05:35
techrights-newsFirst test EasyOS Bullseye series • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 05:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | First test EasyOS Bullseye series | Tux MachinesAug 02 05:36
cubexyz/fnoAug 02 05:37
cubexyz/fntypoAug 02 05:37
schestowitz-TRwhere?Aug 02 05:38
cubexyz/fnme due to x2xAug 02 05:38
schestowitz-TRcubexyz did you register with freenode?Aug 02 05:38
cubexyz/fnI think I did ages agoAug 02 05:39
schestowitz-TRI mean on the Web?Aug 02 05:39
schestowitz-TRif you drop your connection, they won't let you log back inAug 02 05:39
cubexyz/fnprobably notAug 02 05:39
schestowitzWe actually moved to #techrights at (the IRC client needs to be configured to connect to it) which is the correct channel to use).Aug 02 05:39
schestowitzfreenode is rapidly killing itselfAug 02 05:40
schestowitzby making it hard to even accessAug 02 05:40
cubexyz/fnwhat should I do?Aug 02 05:40
schestowitzthey try to steer people towards "smart" phones and "apps"Aug 02 05:40
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schestowitzfreenode users went down from 90k to just about 12k this weekend.... in the past 4 monthsAug 02 05:41
schestowitzan alarming trend as they show lack of commitment to freenode's communitiesAug 02 05:41
schestowitz #techrights at, port 6667 (there are other channels such as #techbytes #boycottnovell and #boycottnovell-social here also). Aug 02 05:42
cubexyz/fnok, I confirmed my nickAug 02 05:42
schestowitzI didn't want to give up on freenode like this, but they can vanish at any momentAug 02 05:43
schestowitzthey bleed users as fast as hellAug 02 05:43
cubexyz/fnwhat's the alternative(s)?Aug 02 05:43
schestowitzto freenode?Aug 02 05:43
cubexyz/fnyesAug 02 05:43
schestowitzconfigure your irc clientAug 02 05:43, port 6667Aug 02 05:44
schestowitzsame channelsAug 02 05:44
cubexyz/fnoh I see, that's why you have a bridgeAug 02 05:46
cubexyz/fnso you can still use freenodeAug 02 05:46
schestowitz-TRyes, freenode obstrtucts many usersAug 02 05:46
schestowitz-TRover time it gets worseAug 02 05:46
cubexyz/fnI've been on IRC a long timeAug 02 05:48
cubexyz/fncan't remember when I started... sometime in the 1990'sAug 02 05:48
schestowitz-TRsame hereAug 02 05:50
schestowitz-TRI got my first modem, then ircAug 02 05:50
schestowitz 02 05:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dynamode 144ATB-B Rev 1.1 14.4 Kbps ISA FAX / Modem Card | eBayAug 02 05:51
schestowitzwow, they still sell themAug 02 05:51
cubexyz/fnah, here's some history:Aug 02 05:51
schestowitzthose were the timesAug 02 05:51
schestowitzdisks 200MB in sizeAug 02 05:51
cubexyz/fnfeb 28th, 1995 mirc is releasedAug 02 05:52
schestowitzand one mp3 taking half an hour to downloadAug 02 05:52
schestowitzwe had to budget things, unlike now...Aug 02 05:52
cubexyz/fnthe bad old days when I was using win95Aug 02 05:52
cubexyz/fnalthough you my credit I was checking Minix, FreeBSD, OS/2 out at the timeAug 02 05:53
schestowitzanyway, better reconfigure your irc clientsAug 02 05:53
cubexyz/fns/you/to/Aug 02 05:53
cubexyz/fnokAug 02 05:53
schestowitzfreenode looks like a ticking time bomb to meAug 02 05:53
cubexyz/fnthanks for telling meAug 02 05:53
schestowitzmaybe their aim it to convert some of what's left into "APP" usersAug 02 05:53
schestowitzhours ago daemonfc told me that the VPN company (PIA) that bought freenode now routes all the traffic through some very dodgy entity, maybe one that spies on IRC trafficAug 02 05:55
schestowitzlike these: 02 05:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Threat Intelligence for Dark Web Monitoring | Recorded FutureAug 02 05:55
schestowitz 02 05:56
schestowitz"Recorded Future engaged in analysis of our data, searching for references to Tor exit node IP addresses"Aug 02 05:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | WikiLeaks - The Hackingteam ArchivesAug 02 05:57
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schestowitz"The public site Recorded Future is referencing is Pastebin. A commenter on the original post laid out what happened: Some time after the URL was published, it was posted to Pastebin, which is a public text repository, like imgur. There, it was crawled by Recorded Future." Aug 02 06:01
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schestowitzMaybe those firms are a much greater threats than whatever they claim to be tacklingAug 02 06:02
schestowitzand then you see who's funding themAug 02 06:02
schestowitzit's just surveillance information warfareAug 02 06:02
schestowitzand www is their battlegroundAug 02 06:02
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techrights-newsThe #GNU C Library version 2.34 is now available • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ 02 06:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The GNU C Library version 2.34 is now available | Tux MachinesAug 02 06:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Half the People in This Letter Are IBM Employees | TechrightsAug 02 06:05
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techrights-newsSalaries over time... 02 06:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Salaries in 1990s - post regarding IBM layoffsAug 02 06:07
techrights-news"I’m referring to a post specifically about the #email debacle, but it’s not the first time that some people at #IBM have gotten away with something so easily. Why are they so privileged? If I were guilty of a much smaller mistake, I wouldn't be here right now." 02 06:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How do some people manage to escape responsibility just like that? - post regarding IBM layoffsAug 02 06:08
techrights-news#ibm as dying company 02 06:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | In the Shadow of Big BlueAug 02 06:09
techrights-news#ibm in the process of becoming #memorabilia 02 06:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM Country Club to get new life if Broome County finds developerAug 02 06:09
techrights-news" #IBM is suffering from a lack of vision." 02 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Messed up priorities once again - post regarding IBM layoffsAug 02 06:10
techrights-newsSometimes it feels like instead of fighting against #microsoft the old Big Blue #ibm fights against the #FSF 02 06:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | TechrightsAug 02 06:13
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techrights-newsGiving Microsoft control over files is not a wise idea 02 08:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mount Microsoft OneDrive in Linux With OneDriver GUI ToolAug 02 08:00
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techrights-newsStop calling #listeningDevices ... they're for gullible people 02 08:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | STEVAL-VOICE-UI Amazon qualified Alexa Smart Home evaluation kit is based on STM32H7 MCU - CNX SoftwareAug 02 08:02
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techrights-news𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 #IRC Proceedings: Sunday, August 01, 2021 • 𝑻𝒆𝒄𝒉𝒓𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕𝒔 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 02 08:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRC Proceedings: Sunday, August 01, 2021 | TechrightsAug 02 08:53
techrights-news#9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: August 1st, 2021 • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 08:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: August 1st, 2021 | Tux MachinesAug 02 08:53
techrights-newsIt already it, it always is, based it is back doored 02 08:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | how to look at if your Iphone is infected and spied onAug 02 08:59
techrights-news#Xfce: Search improvements • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 09:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Xfce: Search improvements | Tux MachinesAug 02 09:00
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 09:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesAug 02 09:00
techrights-newsAWS adds browser access to its cloudy WorkSpaces desktops – but not for Linux • The Register ⚓ avoid #aws and all this #clowncomputing nonsense 02 09:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | AWS adds browser access to its cloudy WorkSpaces desktops – but not for Linux • The RegisterAug 02 09:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | AWS is Not GNU/Linux and AWS Certification is a Bezos-Leaning Ploy That Rewards People for Memorising Proprietary Interfaces (Vendor Lock-in) | TechrightsAug 02 09:02
techrights-news#dav1d 0.9.1 Released With More Optimizations - Particularly For Older CPUs 02 09:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dav1d 0.9.1 Released With More Optimizations - Particularly For Older CPUs - PhoronixAug 02 09:03
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techrights-newsLinks 2/8/2021: Linux 5.14 RC4 and 20% Growth in Steam • 𝑻𝒆𝒄𝒉𝒓𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕𝒔 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 02 09:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Links 2/8/2021: Linux 5.14 RC4 and 20% Growth in Steam | TechrightsAug 02 09:14
techrights-newsIBM/Red Hat Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 09:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux MachinesAug 02 09:14
techrights-newsToday’s 🅣🅤🅧 🅜🅐🅒🅗🅘🅝🅔🅢 Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 09:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesAug 02 09:14
techrights-news17 videos this past week in #techrights 02 09:15
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techrights-newsSounds like #kape and its parent company that destroyed #freenode and harmed #irc as a whole 02 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Foreigners file slew of lawsuits against alleged Israeli investment scammers | The Times of IsraelAug 02 09:35
techrights-newsPlease, people, stop assuming every system has #webp support, and please stop putting that in Web pages. Older systems in particular are discriminated against. #google #wwwAug 02 09:37
techrights-news#Seeed Dual Gigabit Ethernet Carrier Board for Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 Review: Serving Your Needs • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Seeed Dual Gigabit Ethernet Carrier Board for Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 Review: Serving Your Needs | Tux MachinesAug 02 09:38
techrights-newsThe dog did not even understand this. Why did this become "news"? Goodwill fluff? Copaganda? 02 09:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Police Dog Kaos receives GSDCA Outstanding Canine Service Award | Mirage NewsAug 02 09:39
techrights-newsNo More Shouting The Name "Power". #IBM isn't going to ban the word "POWER!"... or "Whitehurst". "Whitelist" racist, "Whitehurst" is allll cool. That man from Alabama. 02 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | No More Shouting The Name "Power" (Well, Except In Our Title Here) - IT JungleAug 02 09:41
techrights-news“Watson®” is a Lot More Offensive Than “Whitelist” and “Master” • 𝑻𝒆𝒄𝒉𝒓𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕𝒔 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 02 09:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | “Watson®” is a Lot More Offensive Than “Whitelist” and “Master” | TechrightsAug 02 09:42
techrights-newsThis #ibm sponsored 'publisher' (PR apparatus) still talks about #WebSphere like it's a thing... 02 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | In The API World, Nobody Knows You Are An IBM i - IT JungleAug 02 09:44
techrights-news#israel #surveillance in "HEY HI" and "Log Analytics" clothing 02 09:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Log Analytics Startup Coralogix Closes $55M Funding RoundAug 02 09:46
techrights-newsTwo more #patent offices have gone completely bonkers. It's time to consider if this sort of moment is a suggestion we need to scrap the patent system and start it over again. It's rigged and unhelpful to actual innovation. In COVID's case, it is killing millions of people unnecessarily. For profit. 02 09:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Australian court rules an AI can be considered an inventor on patent filings • The RegisterAug 02 09:51
techrights-newsThis propaganda mill #managingip continues to be just an amplifier of parasitic lawyers' agenda (because they pay for it) 02 09:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | What US in-house want from China counsel | Managing Intellectual PropertyAug 02 09:52
techrights-newsLegal tender in #ElSalvador : First the U.S. dollar, and now #Bitcoin 02 09:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Legal tender in El Salvador: First the U.S. dollar, and now Bitcoin - The IPKatAug 02 09:53
techrights-newsThis site is bribes by #billgates and I've lost count of the number of sites in #africa that he bribed to lie to African people and push his #patent (or #monopoly ) agenda... 02 09:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tanzania: Mwinyi Wants Economic Diplomacy Strengthened - allAfrica.comAug 02 09:55
techrights-newsUse #OpenCV on #Fedora #Linux ‒ part 1 I've used both at work...Aug 02 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Use OpenCV on Fedora Linux ‒ part 1 - Fedora MagazineAug 02 09:57
techrights-news#Lutris #game manager 0.5.9-beta1 is out adding #EpicGames Store support 02 09:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Lutris 0.5.9 Beta Released With Epic Games Store Support, DXVK-NVAPI/DLSS, Gamescope | Tux MachinesAug 02 10:00
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techrights-newsLinux has finally hit that almost mythical 1% user share on Steam again 02 10:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Steam Survey Shows Linux Marketshare Hitting 1.0% | Tux MachinesAug 02 10:01
techrights-news#Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 10:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux MachinesAug 02 10:04
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techrights-news● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ U.S. Govt: Persistent 'Copyright Troll' Lawyer Should Serve Full Prison Sentence 02 10:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-U.S. Govt: Persistent 'Copyright Troll' Lawyer Should Serve Full Prison Sentence * TorrentFreakAug 02 10:14
techrights-news● NEWS ● #FortranLang ☞ #Fortran newsletter: August 2021 02 10:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Fortran newsletter: August 2021 - Fortran Programming LanguageAug 02 10:14
techrights-news● NEWS ● #Joinup #Science ☞ France recognises #freesw in its National Plan for Open Science 2021-2024 Permalink 02 10:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Open source software supported in the French open science policy | JoinupAug 02 10:15
techrights-news● NEWS ● #OpenScience #Science ☞ Second National Plan for Open Science: Generalising open science in France: 2021-2024 02 10:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ouvrir la Science - Second National Plan for Open ScienceAug 02 10:15
techrights-news● NEWS ● #TheEconomist #Hardware ☞ Will Nvidia’s huge bet on HEY HI chips pay off? 02 10:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Will Nvidia’s huge bet on artificial-intelligence chips pay off? | The EconomistAug 02 10:16
psydruid> [notice] | No More Shouting The Name "Power" (Well, Except In Our Title Here) - IT JungleAug 02 10:54
psydruidThere will be no more need to shout POWER when it is DEAD due to cheap hardware running GNU/Linux killing itAug 02 10:54
Ariadnei wish that IBM cared more about openpowerAug 02 10:58
Ariadnebut they seem to have stopped caring since RH acquisitionAug 02 10:58
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techrights-news#Microsofr #Windows TCO: ● #IndiaTimes #ProprietarySoftware ☞ #Ransomware attacks hit record 300 mn in 1st half of 2021: Report 02 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ransomware attacks: Ransomware attacks hit record 300 mn in 1st half of 2021: Report, IT News, ET CIOAug 02 12:14
techrights-news● NEWS ● #TheVerge #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ Elite students are debating hot-button issues on an invite-only TikTok clone 02 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Elite students are debating hot-button issues on a new invite-only app - The VergeAug 02 12:16
techrights-news● NEWS ● #IndiaTimes #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ #FB developing HEY HI, new ways to detect users under age 13 02 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | facebook: FB developing AI, new ways to detect users under age 13, IT News, ET CIOAug 02 12:16
techrights-news● NEWS ● #TheHill #PrivacyAbuse #Surveillance ☞ #Zoom settles user #privacy case for $85M 02 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Zoom settles user privacy case for $85M | TheHillAug 02 12:16
techrights-news● NEWS ● #Reuters #PrivacyAbuse #Surveillance ☞ #Zoom reaches $85 mln settlement over user #privacy , 'Zoombombing' 02 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Zoom reaches $85 mln settlement over user privacy, 'Zoombombing' | ReutersAug 02 12:16
techrights-news● NEWS ● #Bloomberg #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ #Zoom Settles Consumer Claims Over Privacy for $85 Million 02 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?Aug 02 12:17
techrights-news● NEWS ● #OutlookIndia #Censorship ☞ Pitchers’ Star Naveen Kasturia On Censorship: It Is Like Judging Your Own People’s Maturity 02 12:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pitchers’ Star Naveen Kasturia On Censorship: It Is Like Judging Your Own People’s MaturityAug 02 12:19
techrights-news#nytimes is shifting the blame away from #Microsoft the problem is Microsoft itself: 02 12:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Opinion | Russia’s New Form of Organized Crime Is Menacing the World - The New York TimesAug 02 12:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and ‘Five Eyes’ Collusion for Back Door Access) | TechrightsAug 02 12:28
psydruidif they really cared they would be working on an SBC similar to an x86 mini-desktop to get people familiar with the hardware and writing software for it, even if that meant it would only have 2 or 4 coresAug 02 12:33
techrights-news#gnu #linux #golug 02 12:38
techrights-news#smbc #purity 02 12:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - PurityAug 02 12:38
techrights-news#section230 02 12:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free Speech and Corporate Responsibility Can Coexist Online - WSJAug 02 12:39
techrights-newsOrbiter Space Flight Simulator goes open source | GamingOnLinux ⚓ but #github is #Proprietarysoftware ... #deletegithug to avoid #microsoft and #nsa etc. controlling the projectAug 02 12:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Orbiter Space Flight Simulator goes open source | GamingOnLinuxAug 02 12:51
techrights-newsIron Gate tease more of what's coming to Valheim in Hearth & Home | GamingOnLinux ⚓ ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in 02 12:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Iron Gate tease more of what's coming to Valheim in Hearth & Home | GamingOnLinuxAug 02 12:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsAug 02 12:52
techrights-newsSteam Survey: Linux Gaming Market Share Climbs to 1%... 02 12:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Steam Survey Shows Linux Marketshare Hitting 1.0% | Tux MachinesAug 02 12:56
techrights-newsValve talk about learning from mistakes with the upcoming Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux ⚓ ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in 02 12:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Valve talk about learning from mistakes with the upcoming Steam Deck | GamingOnLinuxAug 02 12:58
techrights-news#Games: Orbiter Space Flight Simulator and More • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Games: Orbiter Space Flight Simulator and More | Tux MachinesAug 02 13:02
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techrights-news#covid19 "cases" worldwide (inc. healed/recovered people), at least the confirmed ones (the complete number might be well over a billion, with asymptomatic and poor countries/remote areas), about to exceed 0.2 billion people. Our approach is to keep away from people like with pollution... COVID does not pass easily when you quarantine and wash everything that comes homeAug 02 13:06
techrights-newsSunday deaths with #covid19 in #uk @ 65. Yes, highest since March! 2nd worst in EU/Europe: 18. Then 3rd: 10. 4th: 10. 8, 6, 5... we're worse off than all of them COMBINED. #borisnaro failed us. 02 13:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ » Blog Archive » Mass infection is not an option: we must do more to protect our youngAug 02 13:09
techrights-news"Most people did not get so traumatized as that. That does not imply it did not affect them. I suspect that the TV coverage may have shifted millions of people's perceptions, so that they overestimated the danger of terrorism while downplaying the danger of laws that take away freedom." 02 13:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Don’t watch TV coverage of Covid-19!Aug 02 13:12
techrights-newsHas this number exceeded $50,000,000,000,000 by now? 2012: 02 13:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens | ReutersAug 02 13:13
Ariadneincidentally, due to climate change, we are going to have a negative leapsecond in OctoberAug 02 13:15
Ariadneif you guessed that all timekeeping-related software was not written with the expectation of a negative leapsecond, you'd be correctAug 02 13:15
AriadneGPS week 2180 is the real Y2KAug 02 13:16
activelowcrazy, didn't at least hear of this beforeAug 02 13:34
activelowand it is only 3 month remaining]Aug 02 13:34
Ariadnewell, it was not really supposed to be a serious eventAug 02 13:40
Ariadneexcept gpsd was expecting a positive leapsecond to be introducedAug 02 13:40
Ariadneinstead we get this weird zero-length leapsecond, which when run through gpsd, makes gpsd roll the clock back to 2001Aug 02 13:41
Ariadne:DAug 02 13:41
AriadneOctober 24th is going to be a very interesting dayAug 02 13:41
schestowitz-TRHow will databases cope?Aug 02 13:44
schestowitz-TRthat might sort events wronglyAug 02 13:44
schestowitz-TRif the UNIX systems hold time for a second (literally)Aug 02 13:44
Ariadnedatabases use monotonic timeAug 02 13:47
Ariadnewhich can only move forwardAug 02 13:47
schestowitz-TRwe has many incidents at workAug 02 13:50
schestowitz-TRpsql with new years and leap hours/yearsAug 02 13:50
schestowitz-TRthe worst ones are hours happening "twice"Aug 02 13:50
schestowitz-TRI suggested we move everything to utcAug 02 13:50
schestowitz-TRno more bstAug 02 13:50
activelowdoing this for 15 years: UTC onlyAug 02 13:51
techrights-news#Fenix Linux Streams YouTube Fullscreen on Raspberry Pi 4 • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 13:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Fenix Linux Streams YouTube Fullscreen on Raspberry Pi 4 | Tux MachinesAug 02 13:51
activelowalthough recently i was confused again, about TAI (known to differ), and i didn't feel confident about the NTP servers and clients on linux recentlyAug 02 13:52
techrights-newsLinux for Starters: Your Guide to Linux – Understanding the File System – Part 12 • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 13:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux for Starters: Your Guide to Linux – Understanding the File System – Part 12 | Tux MachinesAug 02 13:52
activelowwhenever a network service requires root-privilegesAug 02 13:52
activelowtried openbsd openntpd then, which fails to synchronize system clock on linux, for unknown reasonsAug 02 13:53
activelowand some other options have other problemsAug 02 13:53
AriadneUTC is the most practical option, but TAI is the most correctAug 02 13:54
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XRevan86schestowitz: The latest mess on freenode doesn't require re-registration. But cubexyz might have problems connecting regardless, depends on the client and settings.Aug 02 14:01
MinceR02 141519 < Ariadne> incidentally, due to climate change, we are going to have a negative leapsecond in OctoberAug 02 14:04
MinceRhow does climate change affect that?Aug 02 14:05
Ariadnethe rotational speed of the earth has changed, which resulted in an expected leap second being cancelled back in JulyAug 02 14:05
MinceRyeah, but how does climate change speed up the rotation of the earth?Aug 02 14:05
Ariadnefuck if i know, ask the IERSAug 02 14:05
Ariadnemy guess is changes in atmospheric turbulence causing increased rotation, but i'm not an expert :)Aug 02 14:06
schestowitz-TRsounds like they just stuck "climate change" in some unknownAug 02 14:06
AriadneprobablyAug 02 14:06
schestowitz-TRit's being plugged into lots of thingsAug 02 14:07
schestowitz-TRif you don't agree, you are anti-scienceAug 02 14:07
schestowitz-TRrecently a lack of lorries caused a supply chain issueAug 02 14:07
schestowitz-TRno foodAug 02 14:07
schestowitz-TRnot enough truck driversAug 02 14:07
schestowitz-TRUK media tried to blame that on   "climate change"Aug 02 14:07
schestowitz-TRlater they wonder, after they cry wolf, why people "own the libs"Aug 02 14:08
schestowitz-TRby denying  "climate change" is even a thingAug 02 14:08
schestowitz-TR2000: tell people to stop using the N wordAug 02 14:08
schestowitz-TR2020: IBM tells us to stop using the M wordAug 02 14:09
schestowitz-TRand we look like foolsAug 02 14:09
schestowitz-TRIBM 1930s: nothing wrong with the F word Aug 02 14:10
schestowitz-TR(we mean Fuhrer)Aug 02 14:10
schestowitz-TRRaspi Fn.: critics of Microsoft malware are "Microsoft bashing"Aug 02 14:11
schestowitz-TRIBM: critics of the Nazi Party as "bashers" of our second-biggest clientAug 02 14:11
schestowitz-TRcorporate standards... it's OK for them, not for usAug 02 14:11
techrights-newsJupiter Nano ARM based mini PC can run NuttX RTOS or Linux 02 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Jupiter Nano – Tiny Cortex-A5 board runs Linux or NuttX RTOS (Crowdfunding) | Tux MachinesAug 02 14:14
techrights-news#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesAug 02 14:15
techrights-news[Meme] Vichyite Battistelli Committed Crimes and His Buddy António Snubs Courts That Confirm These Are #Crimes #epo #europe #patents #iloatAug 02 14:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] Vichyite Battistelli Committed Crimes and His Buddy António Snubs Courts That Confirm These Are Crimes | TechrightsAug 02 14:34
techrights-newsIt Almost Feels Like #Battistelli Still Runs the EPO (by Extension/Proxy) #europe #crime #epo #ceipiAug 02 14:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | It Almost Feels Like Battistelli Still Runs the EPO (by Extension/Proxy) | TechrightsAug 02 14:50
techrights-newsLinks 2/8/2021: Open Science in France and Zoom Pays to Settle Privacy Violations • 𝑻𝒆𝒄𝒉𝒓𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕𝒔 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 02 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Links 2/8/2021: Open Science in France and Zoom Pays to Settle Privacy Violations | TechrightsAug 02 15:05
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techrights-newsToday’s 🅣🅤🅧 🅜🅐🅒🅗🅘🅝🅔🅢 Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 15:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesAug 02 15:07
MinceR 02 15:10
techrights-newsToday in #Techrights • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 15:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesAug 02 15:10
schestowitz-TRMinceR: nana made fine meatballsAug 02 15:11
schestowitz-TRtbh, youtube has become mostly unacceptable to me, not as a matter of prnciple but paragmatic aspecrsAug 02 15:12
schestowitz-TRyou can NEVER access a video, here in the UK, without an ad pushed to you priorAug 02 15:12
schestowitz-TRand skipping has been made harder tooAug 02 15:12
schestowitz-TRsometimes they inject ads into the middle of a video at unexpected timesAug 02 15:13
schestowitz-TRso if you work out, you need to walk to the laptop to skip adsAug 02 15:13
MinceR:)Aug 02 15:13
schestowitz-TRthat's why we now use the instanceAug 02 15:13
schestowitz-TRand never ads againAug 02 15:13
MinceRuBlock Origin blocks the ads youtube insertsAug 02 15:13
schestowitz-TRno more nana meatballsAug 02 15:13
schestowitz-TRMinceR: on laptops that have itAug 02 15:13
MinceRthere's some software/service that also skips ads embedded by the video authorsAug 02 15:14
MinceRyoutube-dl and mpv also skip the ads youtube inserts :>Aug 02 15:14
schestowitz-TRthose are semi-solutionsAug 02 15:14
MinceRwell, yeahAug 02 15:14
schestowitz-TRtbh, I'm glad not to bother at all with youtubeAug 02 15:14
schestowitz-TRthat's clown computing/social control mediaAug 02 15:14
schestowitz-TRyou sign upAug 02 15:14
schestowitz-TRit changes over timeAug 02 15:14
schestowitz-TRyou must press OK to any changes they madeAug 02 15:15
schestowitz-TRand the exit barriers have gone uAug 02 15:15
schestowitz-TRso they exploit monopoly, inertia, lock-in to impose crazy new rules on youAug 02 15:15
schestowitz-TRlike Google inserting ads it won't even pay "creators"  forAug 02 15:15
schestowitz-TRso,Aug 02 15:15
schestowitz-TRyour [sic] youtube channelAug 02 15:15
schestowitz-TR(Google's, you are just a tenant)Aug 02 15:16
schestowitz-TReven if you promised "NEVER ADS"Aug 02 15:16
schestowitz-TRwill STILL have adsAug 02 15:16
schestowitz-TRbut ones you won't even cash in onAug 02 15:16
schestowitz-TRIIRC, this is why many people quit youtube in drovesAug 02 15:16
schestowitz-TRbut at huge expense to themselves, like 40k or so channels that had to flee freenode.netAug 02 15:17
schestowitz-TRand some still have notAug 02 15:17
schestowitz-TRin  techrights I put no CMS for videosAug 02 15:17
schestowitz-TRit's all just filesystem and hypertext tying that together, not sure how mediagloblin will mature in a decade or twoAug 02 15:17
schestowitz-TRit seems too stagnant already (it was also weak technically when I checked)Aug 02 15:18
techrights-news#gogole #youtube is #clowncomputing / #socialcontrolmedia and it screws everyone. #deleteYouTube 02 15:19
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schestowitz-TRthere's this myth that youtube makes people "stars"Aug 02 15:19
schestowitz-TRfor more than a limited period of timesAug 02 15:19
schestowitz-TRthey like to selective measure thingsAug 02 15:19
schestowitz-TRmaybe one in thousands will reach audience of just thousandsAug 02 15:20
schestowitz-TRcase of point, spamnil.Aug 02 15:20
schestowitz-TRInvested tons of money in eqipment, made tons of videos, his latest videos are 16 views (3 days ago)Aug 02 15:21
schestowitz16 views 3 days agoAug 02 15:21
schestowitz29 views 3 days agoAug 02 15:21
schestowitz19 views 3 days agoAug 02 15:21
schestowitz26 views 3 days agoAug 02 15:21
schestowitz 02 15:21
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schestowitzand he takes like a whole day just to make a video!Aug 02 15:21
schestowitzhis site is just as badAug 02 15:21
schestowitzno more than 50 views per blog postAug 02 15:22 became the sameAug 02 15:22
schestowitzafter they left him in charge for like a yearAug 02 15:22
schestowitzlater they hired Microsoft PerlowAug 02 15:22
MinceRthere's also the unjustified deletionsAug 02 15:22
schestowitzwho made it no betterAug 02 15:22
schestowitzThe linux "publicists" are awfulAug 02 15:22
MinceRoften triggered by botsAug 02 15:22
schestowitzthey drive away the ACTUAL usersAug 02 15:22
schestowitzMinceR: youtube sent me many emails about copyrightsAug 02 15:23
schestowitzbut I used LEGALLY the tracks I put in showsAug 02 15:23
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schestowitzAFAIKAug 02 15:23
schestowitzthey just scanAug 02 15:23
schestowitz"OH, WE HAVE THIS TRICK IN OUR DATABASE"Aug 02 15:23
schestowitz->send angry email to "content" "creator"Aug 02 15:23
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schestowitzhowever, they never ever took down a video of mine... yetAug 02 15:24
schestowitzI stopped uploading about 8 years agoAug 02 15:24
schestowitzThen tried a couple dozen that I had already uploaded to techrightsAug 02 15:24
schestowitzaudience small, youtube hides itAug 02 15:24
schestowitzOh, it says I actually stopped 9 years agoAug 02 15:25
schestowitzit was not worth the extra effort/stepsAug 02 15:25
schestowitzI had ffmpeg set up to split shows into 10-minute segmentsAug 02 15:25
schestowitzthe upload can be streamlined but not automatedAug 02 15:25
schestowitztsdr:Aug 02 15:25
schestowitzfor 99% of people using youtube to share video would likely prove a waste of time/effortAug 02 15:26
schestowitzbetter not even startAug 02 15:26
schestowitz-TRpeople can also self-host video from an SBC at homeAug 02 15:27
schestowitz-TRI know one person who does thatAug 02 15:27
schestowitz-TRpassword-protected tooAug 02 15:27
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techrights-newsThe “Mafia” that destroyed the EPO is still being put in charge and is using the #EPO for shameless self-promotion; it is never being held accountable, not even when courts demand remediatory action and staff seeks reparations 02 15:31
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techrights-newsStaff of the #EPO is coming to realise (or reaching acceptance of the fact) that the spirit of #Battistelli — not just people he left in charge of the EPO — dooms the Office and there’s no way out of this mess 02 15:31
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techrights-newsNext-generation buzzword/BC. What drugs are those people doing? 02 15:34
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techrights-newsRant: 30 years ago lots of young girls were persuades by culture/media/peer pressure to get dangerous 'boob jobs'. Nowadays (and today I saw one) those same girls, now in their 50s, get 'butt jobs' (even more dangerous!). WTH is wrong with society??? Teach people to accept reality and more importantly health!Aug 02 15:39
techrights-newsYou don't hear much about #canonical in the media anymore because just like #suse it became more of a reseller, i.e. it's pushing other people's brand (usually proprietary s/w giants). If #ubuntu languishes I hope a GOOD GNU/Linux distro will take its place.Aug 02 15:42
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techrights-newsPervert #billgates chose to chase young girls and skirts instead of business (even if fraudulently disguised as 'charity' to bribe the media and evade tax). Mark Shuttleworth abandoned philanthropy and is now chasing #microsoft for money/kickbacks...Aug 02 15:47
techrights-newsUbuntu is Swahili for "YouMicrosoft for others". #MarkShuttleworth #canonical #ubuntu 02 15:48
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techrights-newsUsing #Checkmk for Monitoring Your #GNU #Linux Server Infrastructure ⚓ ䷉ #LinuxHandbookAug 02 15:50
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XRevan86MinceR: What's the current value?Aug 02 17:20
schestowitz-TRfreenode users?Aug 02 17:22
schestowitz-TRmillions!Aug 02 17:22
schestowitz-TRon the way!Aug 02 17:22
schestowitz-TRthe signup page in cannot handle the demandAug 02 17:23
schestowitz-TRiRCAug 02 17:23
schestowitz-TRlong lines of 'i' cultistsAug 02 17:23
leahCurrent global users: 13195Aug 02 17:23
leahthat's freenode right nowAug 02 17:23
schestowitz-TRwaiting to get their hands on a shiny freenode account!Aug 02 17:23
leahCurrent global users 46599 <-- that's liberaAug 02 17:23
schestowitz-TRleah: some people are still logged in without an accountAug 02 17:24
leahpre-leenode freenode was 90000 users averageAug 02 17:24
schestowitz-TRlike 2 clients hereAug 02 17:24
schestowitz-TRwhen they drop the connection they might not get back in anymoreAug 02 17:24
leahi'm still registered on freenode. just in case things turned out ok over there, i made sure to keep my nick registeredAug 02 17:24
schestowitz-TRsma hereAug 02 17:24
leahbut yes, it does appear as though there will be no more users by the end of the yearAug 02 17:24
schestowitz-TR*sameAug 02 17:24
leaha few thousand at mostAug 02 17:25
leahi think libera will get up to about 60k users by the end of 2021Aug 02 17:25
XRevan86leah: Ah, thanks. So it's the sixth largest network.Aug 02 17:25
leahfreenode is the 6th largest network?Aug 02 17:25
XRevan86leah: yeaAug 02 17:25
leahthat's what happens when you use drugsAug 02 17:25
leahyou drop the ball, manAug 02 17:25
schestowitz-TRit used to be 6 tiems bigger than the othersAug 02 17:25
schestowitz-TRdepending on what you'd measureAug 02 17:25
leahwell, freenode is not worth discussing nowAug 02 17:26
XRevan86leah: Yea, it's irrelevant now.Aug 02 17:28
techrights-news#Barrier and #Synergy Can Work Together, Connecting Lots of Different MachinesAug 02 17:34
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MinceR02 183622 [freenode2] -!- Current global users: 13194  Max: 22832Aug 02 17:36
leahit was 13195Aug 02 17:37
leahis it 13194 because you just left?Aug 02 17:37
schestowitz[01:16] <XRevan86> > :Current global users 13241Aug 02 17:38
schestowitz16 hours agoAug 02 17:38
XRevan86schestowitz: That's the EFnet numberAug 02 17:38
schestowitzoh, waitAug 02 17:38
XRevan86Yesterday it was 13.3K for freenodeAug 02 17:38
techrights-news#freenode is now down to just 13,194 online users, which makes it the 6th biggest #irc network. Months ago it was #1 with almost 6 times as many users as those below it...Aug 02 17:40
leahunfortunately, irc is weaker now overallAug 02 17:41
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leahlots of people left irc to other protocolsAug 02 17:41
schestowitz-TRyes, we talked about this beforAug 02 17:41
leahsome of them are free, others notAug 02 17:41
schestowitz-TRand we know who stands to benefit from thatAug 02 17:41
leahdiscordAug 02 17:42
schestowitz-TRewwwAug 02 17:42
leahdiscord probably got a lot of projects join itAug 02 17:42
leahwho did you think stood to benefit?Aug 02 17:42
techrights-news#Fwupd 1.6.2 Adds a Plugin to Check Lenovo Firmware Settings, Support for New Hardware • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 17:46
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leahif freenode had been smarter, things would have played out differentlyAug 02 17:47
leahit didn't need to respond, at all, to the announcements of resignation by former staff. in fact, not responding was the correct... responseAug 02 17:48
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leahfortunately, lee felt personally offended and respondedAug 02 17:48
techrights-news#Barrier and #Synergy can be configured to work properly in conjunction, though only provided different port numbers (non-default) are specified #gnu #linuxAug 02 17:48
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leahand now, as a result, things are much cleaner. it's better that there be 1 large network. having 2 networks neck and neck would be annoyingAug 02 17:48
schestowitz-TRAdmFubar: NPM= Microsoft/NSAAug 02 17:49
schestowitz-TRWith literal NSA staff moving to run NPMAug 02 17:49
schestowitz-TRrecentlyAug 02 17:49
schestowitz-TRall those dodgy repos, shithub inc., will make for a fine shitshow with popcornAug 02 17:49
leahif lee didn't respond, and acted more benignly, i think freenode would probably have lost maybe 20-30% of its users. no more. libera would be about 10-20k usersAug 02 17:49
leahfreenode would probably be maybe 70k usersAug 02 17:49
leahby now i meanAug 02 17:50
schestowitz-TRyeahAug 02 17:50
schestowitz-TRI condemned him for itAug 02 17:50
schestowitz-TRand told him not to keep proving his critics wrongAug 02 17:50
schestowitz-TRbut apparently it wasn't just him who did itAug 02 17:50
schestowitz-TRphanes/bagira used admin access to 'settle scores'Aug 02 17:51
schestowitz-TRLee surrounded himself by the few who were willing, inc. some "rogues"Aug 02 17:51
schestowitz-TRand when he got rid of them he was left with few who know how to run IRC servers, I thinkAug 02 17:51
schestowitz-TRanyway, huge messAug 02 17:51
leahbenignly means: not hijacking channels, not resetting the ircd, not hiring a bunch of fascists to run the networkAug 02 17:52
schestowitz-TRAriadne was at one point willing to helpAug 02 17:52
schestowitz-TRbut I think that the onboard fascists put her offAug 02 17:52
schestowitz-TRlet's hope more networks of IRC will emergeAug 02 17:52
schestowitz-TRwe don't want few giants anywayAug 02 17:53
schestowitz-TRthey're hardly neededAug 02 17:53
Ariadnestop ritually defaming the staffAug 02 17:53
Ariadneor whateverAug 02 17:53
leahhowever, having large networks has its usesAug 02 17:53
schestowitz-TRthe twitter/facebook/youitube situation shows that if you put together groups too large they cause emoptional angst to one anotherAug 02 17:53
leaheveryone knows where to goAug 02 17:53
schestowitz-TRwe need many smaller networksAug 02 17:53
Ariadneirc channels can be described using magnet linksAug 02 17:53
leahAriadne: defaming freenode staff?Aug 02 17:53
AriadneyesAug 02 17:54
Ariadneany criticism of themAug 02 17:54
Ariadnethey call itAug 02 17:54
Ariadneritual defamationAug 02 17:54
leahokAug 02 17:54
Ariadneand link to techrightsAug 02 17:54
leahAriadne: by that logic, you are defaming me right nowAug 02 17:54
leahrituallyAug 02 17:54
schestowitz-TRI didn't ask for that link :-)Aug 02 17:54
leah:PAug 02 17:54
Ariadnewhich has an essay about how people spin stories into nonsenseAug 02 17:55
schestowitz-TRI have a meme of LeeAug 02 17:55
schestowitz-TRhang on..Aug 02 17:55
leahanyway, once fsf quit, it was a done dealAug 02 17:55
leahonce fsf left freenodeAug 02 17:55
Ariadneit’s onAug 02 17:55
Ariadneerr it’s okAug 02 17:55
Ariadnefreenode is like 14k users which are probably mostly abandoned clients that will fall off as this SASL requirement is enforcedAug 02 17:56
leahi don't need any other evidence but this:Aug 02 17:56
leahi sat in #freenode on freenode for weeks, and saw 1488 everywhereAug 02 17:56
Ariadneyeah i started calling it 1488node lolAug 02 17:56
leahliteral racist, transphobic and other hateful rhetoric being openly stated, constantlyAug 02 17:57
leahthe staff allowed it, and in many cases repeated itAug 02 17:57
Ariadneencouraged reallyAug 02 17:57
leahand then lee appeared on l0de's talk showAug 02 17:57
Ariadne“pizza gate is real — look it up”Aug 02 17:57
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, The MetroMile app has helpfully suggested that I should "make the experience better" by allowing it full access to location and the sensors in my cell phone.Aug 02 17:57
DaemonFCObviously so that they can "give me a more accurate rate" based on if they think I'm using the phone while driving.Aug 02 17:57
Ariadnedon’t install appsAug 02 17:58
Ariadnefrom insurance companiesAug 02 17:58
Ariadnelike come the fuck onAug 02 17:58
DaemonFCWithout access to those sensors, it shouldn't be much of a problem, right?Aug 02 17:58
Ariadnethey’ll gather other data from your phoneAug 02 17:59
DaemonFCCan an app tell when you're in a phone call without any special permissions?Aug 02 17:59
Ariadnei mean, probably?Aug 02 17:59
Ariadnemaybe not directly but through inferenceAug 02 18:00
DaemonFCThe sensor access is kind of a giveaway.Aug 02 18:00
DaemonFCIt can tell if the phone is like, up to your head or moving around and not in your pocket.Aug 02 18:00
Ariadneanyway my suggestion would be to just notAug 02 18:01
Ariadnei don’t use those appsAug 02 18:01
Ariadneif i want to interact with geico, i use my computerAug 02 18:01
DaemonFCYes, MetroMile has a dashboard on the website where you can file claims and stuff.Aug 02 18:02
Ariadne“but you can store your insurance ID card on your phone”Aug 02 18:02
DaemonFCSee the OBI II data and everything else.Aug 02 18:02
Ariadneyeah fuck that, that involves giving a cop my phoneAug 02 18:02
DaemonFCI have a printed copy of my insurance card.Aug 02 18:02
DaemonFCI'm not stupid. I'm not handing the police my phone.Aug 02 18:02
Ariadnemetro mile hooks into your obd2????Aug 02 18:02
DaemonFCYeah, to track your mileage.Aug 02 18:03
XRevan86> freenode is like 14k users which are probably mostly abandoned clients that will fall off as this SASL requirement is enforcedAug 02 18:03
AriadneuhhhhhAug 02 18:03
XRevan86Ariadne: 13K actually. And the decline is very nice and lean.Aug 02 18:03
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DaemonFCMy device has to be plugged in by the 8th.Aug 02 18:03
DaemonFCIt's in the PO Box right now the post office says.Aug 02 18:03
XRevan86Maybe it's exactly because of that: clients reconnect and fail.Aug 02 18:03
DaemonFCI'm not going to plug it in until the 7th.Aug 02 18:03
XRevan86and because it's idlers, they'll just disappear into the voidAug 02 18:04
schestowitz-TRI will do a post/meme about this...Aug 02 18:04
schestowitz-TRshould be funnyAug 02 18:04
Ariadneall of this sounds like a horrible ideaAug 02 18:04
Ariadneplug spyware into your carAug 02 18:04
Ariadneto save 50 bucks a year on insuranceAug 02 18:04
schestowitz-TRwith a poem...Aug 02 18:05
AriadnewellAug 02 18:05
XRevan86People don't have pride in things that matter.Aug 02 18:05
schestowitz-TRcan someone screenshot for me freenode usercount?Aug 02 18:05
Ariadnetheir thing won’t even work on my carAug 02 18:05
XRevan86Ariadne: They'll gladly do it. But when a mask is required… oh boy…Aug 02 18:05
Ariadnetesla’s don’t have an obd2 portAug 02 18:05
DaemonFC<Ariadne> to save 50 bucks a year on insuranceAug 02 18:05
DaemonFCActually, it saves me $50 a MONTH.Aug 02 18:05
DaemonFCAnd that's on a beater car with no Comprehensive and Collision.Aug 02 18:06
AriadnewtfAug 02 18:06
Ariadnedid you run over a kid or somethingAug 02 18:06
DaemonFCNo, worse. Bad credit from the bankruptcy.Aug 02 18:06
Ariadnemy insurance is like 45 a monthAug 02 18:06
Ariadnewith full coverageAug 02 18:06
DaemonFCAnd if I don't beat that traffic ticket, I'll have that too.Aug 02 18:06
DaemonFCBad credit alone will more than double your premium with some companies and in most states.Aug 02 18:07
DaemonFCSo when your credit goes from 800 and something to 600 and something, get ready for a 80-90% spike in your premium.Aug 02 18:07
DaemonFCAriadne, you can wait them out a little bit by insurance hopping.Aug 02 18:08
DaemonFCA lot of companies will give you a bunch of discounts that only work on your first term to get you as a customer.Aug 02 18:09
DaemonFCPay in full for 6 months and then when the term is up, change to another company.Aug 02 18:09
schestowitz-TRXRevan86 MinceR leah: can any of you make a screenshot of freenode usercount and upload? Or give me the command?Aug 02 18:09
XRevan86schestowitz: If freenode is gradually reconnecting everyone to ensure that the new policy is ensured, ye may be in danger %).Aug 02 18:09
schestowitz-TRI make a funny post about itAug 02 18:09
DaemonFCIf you can fix up your credit somewhat in a couple of years, at least you can see where things are then.Aug 02 18:09
XRevan86schestowitz: I've no means to do it, I rely on solely, but it only gives averages, so the count is delayed.Aug 02 18:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kajetan Hinner, IRC Statistics FreenodeAug 02 18:10
XRevan86Right now it shows 13370, but that's because it's averaged out for the day.Aug 02 18:10
DaemonFCLike, I managed to get my credit back up from 490 to 650 in a year and a half.Aug 02 18:10
XRevan86For a normal network that's reasonable, but for freenode it just introduces a 12 hour lag.Aug 02 18:11
DaemonFCThey use poor or average credit to say you're a bad risk when you're not.Aug 02 18:11
DaemonFCThen they have a reason to steal from you.Aug 02 18:11
DaemonFCThey're a bunch of pirates.Aug 02 18:11
DaemonFCInsurance companies operate on five principles. 1. Fight every claim. 2. Blanket the airwaves with ads. 3. Charge as much as possible using any excuse. 4. If you pay a claim, find a way to take 300% of what you paid on top of what their premiums were before, or just drop them. 5. Spy on them and then sell their data to your competitors so you make money on the backend too.Aug 02 18:13
DaemonFCThe reason there are so many "worst car insurance companies" when there really only could be one worst insurance company is because no matter where you go, they all operate the same way.Aug 02 18:14
schestowitz-TRXRevan86: thanksAug 02 18:14
DaemonFCThe only thing that changes is their particular risk formula is different, so some will be not quite as bad for you as others, but there's no "best" or "worst" company, unilaterally, for anyone.Aug 02 18:15
DaemonFCFor example, Allstate is a really bad company if you have perfect credit, but if you have really lousy credit, they can be cheaper than Progressive or Geico.Aug 02 18:16
XRevan86schestowitz: So yea, wait for MinceR and leah.Aug 02 18:16
XRevan86or for CrystalMathAug 02 18:16
CrystalMathsadly it's sub-EFNet nowAug 02 18:16
DaemonFCWhen I had perfect credit, Allstate was coming at me with quotes that were a third higher than Geico, but now that I have bad credit, Geico charges a lot more than Allstate.Aug 02 18:16
XRevan86CrystalMath: That's what I said, yes :)Aug 02 18:16
CrystalMathso people prefer no services at all to mandatory servicesAug 02 18:17
CrystalMathnot surprising actually, most of freenode was unregisteredAug 02 18:17
DaemonFCAllstate probably puts credit as like 5% of their risk model while Geico does 20% or something.Aug 02 18:17
CrystalMathall the timeAug 02 18:17
DaemonFCIt's all about moving that actuarial risk model, to where the actuary tables that company uses are a better fit for your life situation.Aug 02 18:17
XRevan86CrystalMath: It's probably a community thing.Aug 02 18:18
DaemonFCMost people don't do this and never do much research. They just go "Well, look, there's an ostrich in that commercial!" or "Oh, my parents used this company for 20 years!".Aug 02 18:18
schestowitz-TRphanes and bagira = same person, right?Aug 02 18:18
XRevan86CrystalMath: EFnet existed for decades.Aug 02 18:18
XRevan86schestowitz: Yes.Aug 02 18:19
schestowitz-TRthanksAug 02 18:19
CrystalMathXRevan86: EFNet once had 100kAug 02 18:19
DaemonFCI think it's the security vs. dancing pigs model applied to something else.Aug 02 18:19
schestowitz 02 18:19
DaemonFCYou could have lower insurance premiums or an ostrich in the commercial, and you went with the ostrich. Aug 02 18:19
XRevan86CrystalMath: Next target is Rizon with 11KAug 02 18:19
CrystalMaththere's still thousands of unregistered people on freenodeAug 02 18:20
CrystalMathit's quite possibleAug 02 18:20
DaemonFCMetroMile doesn't run ads on expensive platforms too much. They make use of social media ads, ads on the city buses, Youtube.Aug 02 18:20
CrystalMathDaemonFC: i mean i still see tons of unregistered people talkAug 02 18:20
DaemonFCTelevision is an expensive place to advertise even though there are less people watching it. That's kind of odd.Aug 02 18:20
CrystalMaththey already stated they won't reconnectAug 02 18:20
CrystalMathso it's just a matter of when their connection dropsAug 02 18:21
DaemonFCWith Facebook, it's possible to target individuals who are just what you're looking for.Aug 02 18:21
DaemonFCThe city bus goes around everywhere multiple times per day.Aug 02 18:21
DaemonFCPeople looking around without much to do seeing all those ads on the ceiling.Aug 02 18:21
DaemonFCMetroMile's advertising strategy is smart. They minimize expense and get their target audience, so like, mom never heard about them because she watches TV.Aug 02 18:22
DaemonFCShe's not the target.Aug 02 18:22
DaemonFCBoomers have never been great with money, as a generation.Aug 02 18:22
DaemonFCThey're averse to change, even when that hurts them, and some of that is they're getting older and that's what happens.Aug 02 18:22
DaemonFCThere's a market for that. Use Fox News to scare the bejesus out of them and keep them too frightened to do anything but keep watching.Aug 02 18:23
DaemonFCHere's a pillow. Buy gold. Having erection problems? Buy this!Aug 02 18:24
schestowitzdraft: 02 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Freenode is IRC… in Collapse | TechrightsAug 02 18:24
XRevan86CrystalMath: Looks like dropping below Rizon is a certainty.Aug 02 18:24
XRevan86CrystalMath: Now will freenode drop below QuakeNet, that's a toughy.Aug 02 18:24
schestowitzcubexyz has access instructionsAug 02 18:25
DaemonFCschestowitz, This is IRC. *egg* This is IRC on Andrew Lee. *Splatters egg with a frying pan* Any questions?Aug 02 18:25
schestowitzwhen his connections drops he can come hereAug 02 18:25
CrystalMathXRevan86: 10471Aug 02 18:25
CrystalMathright nowAug 02 18:25
DaemonFCFreenode Autonomous Zone. Population 1.Aug 02 18:25
XRevan86CrystalMath: QuakeNet?Aug 02 18:25
CrystalMathyesAug 02 18:25
CrystalMathi'm thereAug 02 18:25
DaemonFCPretty soon it'll just be a server with Lee talking to himself.Aug 02 18:25
DaemonFCGone crazy.Aug 02 18:26
CrystalMathi think freenode has more registered people than EsperNet has users thoughAug 02 18:26
CrystalMathso it won't drop below thatAug 02 18:26
CrystalMathEsperNet is only ~2,000Aug 02 18:26
Ariadne12:07 PM <DaemonFC> Bad credit alone will more than double your premium with some companies and in most states.Aug 02 18:26
schestowitzpopulation 1 is better than jooeson or whatever, with a population of 0Aug 02 18:26
Ariadnethat’s illegal in OKAug 02 18:26
DaemonFC<Ariadne> that’s illegal in OKAug 02 18:26
DaemonFCYes, I'm quite Illannoyed.Aug 02 18:26
XRevan86schestowitz: The gif is repetitive.Aug 02 18:27
DaemonFCSo I just get to go with some piece of shit company that's dodgy about paying out their claims. But whatevs.Aug 02 18:27
XRevan86schestowitz: Albeit very true :)Aug 02 18:27
DaemonFCIt's liability insurance and it'll be the other person's lawyer that ends up suing MetroMile.Aug 02 18:27
DaemonFCIf and when anything terrible happens.Aug 02 18:27
XRevan86schestowitz: But maybe ye could put it all into one .gifAug 02 18:27
Ariadnethe only thing they can use your credit against you for is the down payment if you buy on installmentAug 02 18:28
DaemonFCIf I was going full coverage, no way in hell.Aug 02 18:28
Ariadnebut since it is only couple hundred bucks i just pay in fullAug 02 18:28
DaemonFCAriadne, This is called Game Theory.Aug 02 18:28
XRevan86schestowitz: That guy in a striped shirt can be l0de.Aug 02 18:28
DaemonFCIt'll be a difficult time getting them to pay out, but it's the problem of whoever you hit.Aug 02 18:28
DaemonFCIf that ever happens.Aug 02 18:28
DaemonFCFor you, cheap premiums.Aug 02 18:28
DaemonFCIf you need coverage on your car, go to some other company.Aug 02 18:29
Ariadnei have full coverage :DAug 02 18:29
Ariadnedeductible is like 3 grand thoAug 02 18:29
DaemonFCThere's nothing worse than trying to deal with a difficult company when you have to make a claim on your property with your own company.Aug 02 18:29
DaemonFCYeah, that's more than the value of my car.Aug 02 18:29
Ariadnemy car is new hahaAug 02 18:29
DaemonFCMine was already totaled out and I used the payout to do an engine rebuild.Aug 02 18:29
DaemonFCIt was paid out because of hail damage that you can barely see.Aug 02 18:30
XRevan86CrystalMath: Things get mirky down the 10K point, not as well-tracked.Aug 02 18:30
DaemonFCAnd it was sitting in mom's yard leaking everything.Aug 02 18:30
Ariadnehail is kinda scary for meAug 02 18:30
Ariadnei have a glass roofAug 02 18:30
DaemonFCAriadne, It would be nuts to do full coverage on a 20 year old car with 276,000 miles on it.Aug 02 18:30
XRevan86I won't be able to even say "freenode is the Nth largest network", because then it's just untrackable.Aug 02 18:30
DaemonFCThey'd never pay you what it's actually worth to you.Aug 02 18:31
DaemonFCWhy buy it?Aug 02 18:31
techrights-newsFreenode is IRC... in Collapse • 𝑻𝒆𝒄𝒉𝒓𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕𝒔 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 02 18:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Freenode is IRC… in Collapse | TechrightsAug 02 18:31
Ariadnewell yeah if i had a rust bucket i wouldn’t do full coverageAug 02 18:31
techrights-news#UnityX 10 Desktop Environment Makes Great Progress, Now Features New Panel and Sidebar Designs • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 18:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | UnityX 10 Desktop Environment Makes Great Progress, Now Features New Panel and Sidebar Designs | Tux MachinesAug 02 18:32
XRevan86schestowitz: That should probably be the last post on the topic, the horse is dead.Aug 02 18:32
schestowitz-TRyes, but...Aug 02 18:32
DaemonFCI'll probably switch to Allstate if MetroMile goes kaput. Aug 02 18:32
schestowitz-TRnever underestimate the capability and capacity for another blunderAug 02 18:33
DaemonFCThey were the next cheapest.Aug 02 18:33
schestowitz-TRlike "FREENODE IS APP"Aug 02 18:33
DaemonFCThey have a mile-based program or a flat rate that was like $60 a month.Aug 02 18:33
schestowitz-TRdownload the app and user your accountAug 02 18:33
XRevan86schestowitz: Yea, the "lolz" potential is still there :).Aug 02 18:33
schestowitz-TRand no more open ports for actual IRCAug 02 18:33
DaemonFCGeico and Progressive wanted like $90-ish, and that's if you pay the entire term up front.Aug 02 18:33
DaemonFCAmica wanted $167 a month and I went BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.Aug 02 18:33
XRevan86schestowitz: But for that we'll just have to wait.Aug 02 18:34
DaemonFC"Dr. Evil, this is 1969. There isn't that much money in the entire world!"Aug 02 18:34
schestowitz-TRXRevan86: get a l0de of this. root # make me a sandwich, l0deAug 02 18:34
schestowitz-TRthe sad thing is the brandAug 02 18:35
schestowitz-TRas I was thinking about it while walking to/from town. They spent 2 decades building a brandAug 02 18:35
schestowitz-TRfreenode as a name is mentioned thousands of times in techrights Aug 02 18:35
schestowitz-TRby nameAug 02 18:35
schestowitz-TRand in a couple of months the brand became synonymous with something completely differentAug 02 18:36
schestowitz-TRlilo spinning in his resting placeAug 02 18:36
XRevan86 02 18:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@legit_ioangogo: I have no idea what to do with my freenode t-shirts now, the name on them got taken over by someone who is panderi… 02 18:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@legit_ioangogo: I have no idea what to do with my freenode t-shirts now, the name on them got taken over by someone who is panderi… 02 18:36
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, Free Dumb Tech Solutions VPN servers have more bandwidth but they piss off a lot of websites.Aug 02 18:38
DaemonFCbrbAug 02 18:38
XRevan86schestowitz: ^ some people even have wares with the ruined branding.Aug 02 18:39
DaemonFCI love Windows.Aug 02 18:39
DaemonFCEspecially the zombie tasks you can only kill with a reboot.Aug 02 18:39
XRevan86DaemonFC: I had tea in my mouth when ye sent this.Aug 02 18:40
XRevan86too close to disasterAug 02 18:40
DaemonFCSome troll (probably MSFT) was bashing Linux on an article that popped up about how many bugs Windows 11 beta has.Aug 02 18:41
DaemonFCHe said you could hardly get any hardware working at all with Linux (not true). Then proceeded to list a bunch of stuff most people don't use anymore because phones can do all of that.Aug 02 18:42
techrights-news#gnu #linux turning 38 soon see 02 18:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kernel Talk » Linux MagazineAug 02 18:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Show Your Love for the GNU Operating System With These Banners | TechrightsAug 02 18:42
activelowtried sasl-auth with my old credentials: wiped. i mean freenode could have asked with a confirmation email to retain the account, since a valid mail address was registered with my account too.Aug 02 18:43
XRevan86activelow: The pre-June account?Aug 02 18:43
activelowyes, registered 2017Aug 02 18:43
DaemonFCThen he went off about how much he loved Office 2007 and didn't want to upgrade.Aug 02 18:44
XRevan86activelow: Why even try?Aug 02 18:44
activelowwith valid mail address, got the old password too, a cert fingerprint.Aug 02 18:44
XRevan86activelow: They are simply gone.Aug 02 18:44
DaemonFCAnd gave a shout out to one of those dodgy product key sites where it's like $10 for Office and $13 for Windows.Aug 02 18:44
AdmFubar 02 18:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Chromebooks fighting for mind share at PC makers with higher-margin Windows 11 machines in the lead, says IDC • The RegisterAug 02 18:44
DaemonFCAnd then said "OpenOffice" is "okay".Aug 02 18:44
XRevan86activelow: freenode was reset, the old database was just dropped.Aug 02 18:44
activelowXRevan86: then rasengan must take down the freenode domain name.Aug 02 18:44
DaemonFCI have my suspicions that those dodgy product key sites _are_ Microsoft, and they let it happen because the alternative is losing people from their products and thus marketshare.Aug 02 18:45
techrights-newsJon "maddog" Hall should know better about #gnu and not go along with the 1991 revisionist story 02 18:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Doghouse – 30th Anniversary of Linux » Linux MagazineAug 02 18:45
XRevan86activelow: That's not really necessary at this point.Aug 02 18:45
DaemonFCBut they make the site look like it's dodgy so most people stay away.Aug 02 18:45
XRevan86activelow: One cannot even accidentally connect to it now :)Aug 02 18:45
activelowlast time i tried a moment ago freenode domain did receive my SASL auth request, and rejected the valid credentialsAug 02 18:46
XRevan86activelow: He could just transfer the domain to the Libera people and stand back, but that's not going to happen.Aug 02 18:46
activelowhe must, either take it down, or transfer it.Aug 02 18:47
XRevan86It's like expecting Oracle to give to the LibreOffice folks, not possible.Aug 02 18:47
activelowdifferent case, i did not register an account with oracle. i did with freenode domain.Aug 02 18:48
XRevan86activelow: The corpse of OpenOffice is giving FOSS a bad name to this day.Aug 02 18:48
XRevan86it haunts us allAug 02 18:48
DaemonFCPIA has probably turned into a honeypot.Aug 02 18:48
activelowsince you mention it: i wished "office suite" type products were not required, and instead i could do my stuff with vim and markdown, TeX and similarAug 02 18:49
DaemonFCI doubt they're too interested in blowing their cover to get some copyright infringers, but it's almost certainly the CIA or someone running it at this point.Aug 02 18:49
XRevan86activelow: 02 18:50
DaemonFCThey rerouted the US servers to various foreign ones for a while and now they're back geolocated into the US as FreedomTech Solutions incorporated in the UK.Aug 02 18:50
DaemonFCSo this is probably MI5 or something running it and spying on Americans as part of Five Eyes.Aug 02 18:50
DaemonFCschestowitz, The FreedomTech Solutions website looks pretty LULZ to me.Aug 02 18:52
DaemonFCBuzzword Bullshit BingoAug 02 18:53
DaemonFCImpossible to tell what it is they actually do.Aug 02 18:53
DaemonFCThat certainly can't be good.Aug 02 18:55
schestowitz-TRPIA in the face...Aug 02 18:55
schestowitz-TRthey used to be credibleAug 02 18:55
DaemonFCThe COVID thing is going to get really awful in Illinois very soon.Aug 02 18:57
DaemonFCThey had a 100,000 person concert in Grant Park, no masks.Aug 02 18:57
DaemonFCLots of people using counterfeit negative results or vaccine forms and bragging about it.Aug 02 18:57
schestowitz-TRhaAug 02 18:58
schestowitz-TRFL is also bad nowAug 02 18:58
schestowitz-TR[12:33] <techrights-news> #florida is red 02 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Florida Sets Daily Record of More Than 21,000 COVID-19 Cases   | Voice of America - EnglishAug 02 18:58
DaemonFCI decided that Mandy and I will go back to masks whenever we're inside somewhere and skip trips to anywhere we don't need to be for a while.Aug 02 18:58
DaemonFCI went back to carrying hand sanitizer with me.Aug 02 18:59
DaemonFCIt looked like the whole thing had just died down to a negligible level and due to the vaccine or previous exposure.Aug 02 18:59
DaemonFCBut in a month or so it's going to skyrocket past January.Aug 02 18:59
DaemonFCIf things keep going the way they are.Aug 02 18:59
DaemonFCThe government is finished with lockdowns. It didn't work last time and they blew the whole wad on that, while many states didn't do much.Aug 02 19:00
schestowitz-TRwe had high AZ vaccination ratesAug 02 19:00
schestowitz-TRbut...Aug 02 19:00
schestowitz-TRthis summer is worse than last summerAug 02 19:01
schestowitz-TRin every wayAug 02 19:01
schestowitz-TRbut they lower precaution levelsAug 02 19:01
schestowitz-TRI saw some masked people today, many still choose to wear them, which I likeAug 02 19:01
schestowitz-TRit is surging in Northern Ireland ATMAug 02 19:01
schestowitz-TRnot sure why thereAug 02 19:01
DaemonFCbbiab....walking down to the post office to get my spyware.Aug 02 19:02
DaemonFCOpt in because nobody else will give me a deal on car insurance that's even remotely fair.Aug 02 19:02
XRevan86schestowitz: I don't get why people don't try to get themselves Moderna or PfizerAug 02 19:02
XRevan86over something like AZ that uses the same vector for both dosesAug 02 19:02
*psydruid went to the electronics store today, messed around with the crApple "mouse" on their desktops and the touchpads on a number of their laptops, but doesn't see how the lack of responsiveness and ergonomy could be considered user-friendly in any wayAug 02 19:04
techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▅▂▁▂▁▂▅▅▄▄▅▅▂▁▃▅▅▆▆▃▃▆▅▆▅▃▄▄▅▂▁▁▂▄▅▁ avg(k/sec) 17.36 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▂█▁█▁▂▂▁▁▃▁█▂▂▂▂▁▂▂▂▁▂▂█▁▃██▁▃▂▁ avg(k/sec) 90.21▕ swarm size (avg): 282.67  ⟲Aug 02 19:05
techrights-newsBetter yet, wipe off #chromeOS then install a "real" #gnu #linux that gives you freedom and #privacy 02 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to install Linux apps on your Chromebook | Laptop MagAug 02 19:10
schestowitz-TRpsydruid: designed for looksAug 02 19:14
schestowitz-TRand to seem "unique"Aug 02 19:14
schestowitz-TRjust for the sake of "think different."Aug 02 19:14
schestowitz-TRIBM: think.Aug 02 19:14
schestowitz-TRApple: think different brand.Aug 02 19:14
schestowitz-TRMicrosoft: don't think. OEMs forces you to...Aug 02 19:14
techrights-newsUnited States shot itself in the foot and discredited the whole patent system by letting courts become like companies that cheat to attract "clients" (lawsuits) author funded by litigation fanaticsAug 02 19:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Another Transfer from TX to CA: Looking at the Particulars of the Case (But not Too Closely) | Patently-OAug 02 19:19
techrights-newsValve fires back in the lawsuit from Wolfire Games | GamingOnLinux ⚓ ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in 02 19:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Valve fires back in the lawsuit from Wolfire Games | GamingOnLinuxAug 02 19:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsAug 02 19:20
techrights-newsTyping adventure RPG 'Nanotale - Typing Chronicles' out now for Linux | GamingOnLinux ⚓ ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in 02 19:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Typing adventure RPG 'Nanotale - Typing Chronicles' out now for Linux | GamingOnLinuxAug 02 19:20
techrights-news#AMD + #Valve Working On New Linux CPU Performance Scaling Design - Phoronix ⚓ ䷉ #PhoronixAug 02 19:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMD + Valve Working On New Linux CPU Performance Scaling Design - PhoronixAug 02 19:21
techrights-newsTotal scammers run the #EPO ; have these scammers got the audacity to post this with a straight face? see see 02 19:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO - Beware misleading mails from scammersAug 02 19:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | This Week We Shall See If the EPO’s Administrative Council, Led by Josef Kratochvil, is Complicit in a Financial Scam | TechrightsAug 02 19:24
techrights-news#freenode is now down to just 13,194 online users, which makes it the 6th biggest #IRC network. Months ago it was #1 with almost 6 times as many users as those below it 02 19:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Freenode is IRC… in Collapse | TechrightsAug 02 19:25
techrights-news#LinuxMagazine Latest Issue • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 19:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Magazine Latest Issue | Tux MachinesAug 02 19:25
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesAug 02 19:26
psydruid 02 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Steeds meer providers zetten in op glasvezel, wat betekent dit voor de markt? | NOSAug 02 19:27
psydruid(more and more providers commit themselves to fibre, what does this mean for the market)Aug 02 19:27
DaemonFCI'd say giving the MetroMile app permissions to use your sensors is a big mistake for sure.Aug 02 19:27
DaemonFCThe device in the car already has sensors and can tell if you've been in an accident.Aug 02 19:27
DaemonFCBut with access to your phone sensors, they can see if you're making a phone call while the car is in motion.Aug 02 19:28
DaemonFCI don't think your rate wil lget lower for giving them access to the sensors, so they phrase it "It may be lower, or we can give you a more accurate quote.".Aug 02 19:28
DaemonFCMore accurate means "You're on the phone. Technical Foul. Higher rates!"Aug 02 19:29
DaemonFCNo soup for you! Come back 1 year!Aug 02 19:29
schestowitz-TRpsydruid: so we should push onAug 02 19:31
schestowitz-TRany little win countsAug 02 19:31
schestowitz-TRoh, waitAug 02 19:32
schestowitz-TRpsydruid: I read that as libreAug 02 19:32
schestowitz-TRnot fibreAug 02 19:32
schestowitz-TRfibre was a disaster for me: Aug 02 19:32
schestowitz 02 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ » Blog Archive » 27 Minutes to Cancel BT Order (Even Though I Was Very Clear It Needs to be Done as Soon as Possible), But Still Not Done on CompensationAug 02 19:32
lockeanarchistSo the most important GNU projects already broke with the FSF because the RMS thing. Meanwhile the permissive alternatives/rewrites are in full steamAug 02 19:33
lockeanarchistIt won't end wellAug 02 19:33
schestowitzit's not because of "RMS thing"Aug 02 19:34
XRevan86lockeanarchist: Which?Aug 02 19:34
schestowitzit's because of IBM et alAug 02 19:34
schestowitzthey want more controlAug 02 19:34
lockeanarchistGlibc, GCC and some moreAug 02 19:34
XRevan86The FSF CLA thing?Aug 02 19:34
schestowitzThey did the same to Linux a month before buying Red HatAug 02 19:34
schestowitz 02 19:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Half the People in This Letter Are IBM Employees | TechrightsAug 02 19:34
schestowitzthey showed Torvalds who the real boss wasAug 02 19:34
schestowitzand they used their trollsAug 02 19:34
schestowitzfrom Red Hat 02 19:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | TechrightsAug 02 19:35
lockeanarchistTorvalds almost was canceled and was forced to cave accepting a CoCAug 02 19:35
schestowitzyou don't get 65-figure salary to play niceAug 02 19:35
DaemonFCMandy gets upset when I make soup, usually.Aug 02 19:35
schestowitzbut to work for vicious companies with military connectionsAug 02 19:35
lockeanarchistTorvalds is just a employee at this point, sadlyAug 02 19:35
schestowitzso screw those people..Aug 02 19:35
DaemonFCOne day, he gave MARISOL some of my chicken noodle soup and she said it was quite good and wondered what restaurant we went to.Aug 02 19:35
schestowitzDaemonFC: OTAug 02 19:36
schestowitz#techpol or #boycottnovell-socialAug 02 19:36
lockeanarchistXRevan86: I'm not against that move in particular, but this is being done to break ties with FSFAug 02 19:36
DaemonFCAh...Aug 02 19:36
schestowitzlockeanarchist: that predates RMSAug 02 19:36
DaemonFCI need some system for retreiving recipes from these sites with all this crap on them.Aug 02 19:36
schestowitzIBM being IBMAug 02 19:36
schestowitzlike another MicrosoftAug 02 19:36
DaemonFCJavascript pop-ups and bullshit.Aug 02 19:36
schestowitzMicrosoft learned a lot from IBAug 02 19:36
DaemonFCHave to scroll three pages about someone else's vacation to get to a recipe card.Aug 02 19:37
schestowitzMicrosoft is a bastard child of IBMAug 02 19:37
schestowitzand Microsoft got the contract because of the vagina Bill came fromAug 02 19:37
schestowitzThat's why Microsoft even "exists"...Aug 02 19:37
DaemonFCschestowitz, It would be nice if someone did a Gemini pod with recipes in them.Aug 02 19:37
DaemonFCIt wouldn't take any time to load, really. Just has everything you need right there, no useless scripts and formatting and junk.Aug 02 19:38
schestowitzthat existsAug 02 19:38
schestowitzand for restaurantsAug 02 19:38
lockeanarchistI really tried to understand the anti-RMS peopleAug 02 19:38
lockeanarchistbut I can'tAug 02 19:38
schestowitzstallman.oirg is mostly sensible stuffAug 02 19:38
schestowitzand left-leaningAug 02 19:38
lockeanarchistRMS is just a weirdo, not a bigoted personAug 02 19:38
DaemonFCFacebook has banned linking to'Aug 02 19:38
schestowitzthe people who attacked him are centric/leftAug 02 19:38
DaemonFCThey give you warnings that your account might be banned if you continue.Aug 02 19:39
schestowitz "Progressives are right now advocating for the release of criminals, even murderers. To then have exactly the opposite attitude towards something that certainly is not committing physical violence against somebody, I don’t understand the double standard!" 02 19:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | In Support of Richard Stallman - Hannah Wolfman-Jones and Nadine Strossen Rebut Accusations Against Stallman - Choose Him as CoauthorAug 02 19:39
schestowitzDaemonFC: screenshot?Aug 02 19:39
lockeanarchistThe thing is nobody could take RMS place as a real leader at FSFAug 02 19:39
schestowitzI find this difficult to believeAug 02 19:39
schestowitziirc, zuck was using emacs or somethingAug 02 19:39
schestowitzmaybe vimAug 02 19:40
lockeanarchist2 years without RMS and the FLOSS cause just became worseAug 02 19:40
schestowitzlockeanarchist: they just attack communitiesAug 02 19:40
schestowitzthey must be happy about freenode's collapseAug 02 19:40
schestowitzit was never useful for their "shareholders" anywayAug 02 19:40
schestowitzRMS last showed up in a public talk in MayAug 02 19:40
schestowitznothing sinceAug 02 19:40
schestowitznothjing scheduled eitherAug 02 19:41
DaemonFCschestowitz, 02 19:41
lockeanarchistRMS needs to show himself moreAug 02 19:41
schestowitz 02 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Talks - Richard StallmanAug 02 19:41
lockeanarchistthey were successfulAug 02 19:41
techrights-newsI'm told that #facebook now BANS linking to Richard Stallman's Web site and threatens further sanctions for trying to 02 19:42
lockeanarchistschestowitz: I hope RMS realize that this is a mistakeAug 02 19:42
schestowitzFB is a top sponsor of Zemlinrosoft FoundationAug 02 19:42
schestowitzwith several BOUGHT seats in the BoardAug 02 19:43
schestowitzso FB STAFF gets to BOSS TorvaldsAug 02 19:43
schestowitzjust by bribing Zemlin and his little shillsAug 02 19:43
*cow_2001 (~un@user/cow-2001/x-5712099) has joined #techrightsAug 02 19:43
schestowitzTorvalds needs to make a moveAug 02 19:43
schestowitz 02 19:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Time for Linus Torvalds to Enforce and Protect His Brand From Misuse by His Employer, the So-called ‘Linux’ Foundation | TechrightsAug 02 19:43
techrights-news#patentTrolls with #swpats again: " #patent relates to the recovery of information in a mobile communications network." 02 19:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | CommWorks Solutions patent challenged — Unified PatentsAug 02 19:45
techrights-newsOf course the litigation giants will just look the other way and not mention that the EPO's Boards of Appeal are rigged and stacked(guess in whose favour) see 02 19:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EPO decision T 96/20: Does this raise the inventive step bar for medical use inventions? - LexologyAug 02 19:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | G 1/21 is a Catastrophe for the EPO’s Legitimacy | TechrightsAug 02 19:46
schestowitzDaemonFC: please email rms at gnu about itAug 02 19:47
schestowitzhe needs to see thisAug 02 19:47
schestowitzuses attachment, he can and does open themAug 02 19:47
psydruidschestowitz, I know, but that article says one of those providers already has 900,000 paying customers on fibre, so it must not be a disaster everywhere. Maybe BT is not doing things quite right, so I hope they'll try to improve for other prospective customersAug 02 19:47
lockeanarchist<DaemonFC> schestowitz, -> More proof that this is not about left and right is about silencing everyone that are against their interestsAug 02 19:48
techrights-news"Proceedings before the EPO are governed by the principle of uniformity of the language of the proceedings." #EPO is a major lawless fraud but the #litigation #cartel pretends not to see it... 02 19:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Patent case: Oticon A/S and GN Resound A/S vs. Sivantos GmbH, EPO - Kluwer Patent BlogAug 02 19:48
MinceR02 190921 < schestowitz-TR> XRevan86 MinceR leah: can any of you make a screenshot of freenode usercount and upload? Or give me the command?Aug 02 19:52
MinceRthe command is /lusersAug 02 19:52
techrights-news#Patent #law is becoming ever more deadly (see #COVID19 blunders) and farcical, as it's clear it's anything but beneficial to society and #innovation has nothing whatsoever to do with it (a system gamed by bots) 02 19:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Can AI Be An Inventor Under the Australian Patents Act?Aug 02 19:52
MinceR02 184858 < leah> and now, as a result, things are much cleaner. it's better that there be 1 large network. having 2 networks neck and neck would be annoyingAug 02 19:53
MinceRi'd rather have 0 large networksAug 02 19:53
MinceRlarge networks suckAug 02 19:53
techrights-newsHow the #propaganda mill of #EPO fraudsters ( #JoffWild and his groupies) responded to the shocking news that two countries now give #patents to bots 02 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Australian court decision to recognise non-humans as inventors is brave, verging on foolhardy | IAMAug 02 19:54
XRevan86schestowitz, Ariadne: What are your thoughts on maybe making a techrights XMPP MUC server?Aug 02 19:55
MinceRfreenode is abusive; illibera and oftc are run by SJWs who are hostile to free software; ircnet, undernet, efnet run on Not Invented Here; quakenet runs the same crap as undernetAug 02 19:55
techrights-news#Games: Nanotale - Typing Chronicles and Valve on GNU/Linux • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 19:55
XRevan86Because XMPP is federated, that may make it more comfortable for people to join.Aug 02 19:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Games: Nanotale - Typing Chronicles and Valve on GNU/Linux | Tux MachinesAug 02 19:56
AriadnenoAug 02 19:56
MinceRuntil their server goes down, at which point XMPP becomes very uncomfortableAug 02 19:56
XRevan86Ariadne: okay :(Aug 02 19:56
schestowitz-TR[19:52] <MinceR> the command is /lusersAug 02 19:56
schestowitz-TRlolAug 02 19:56
XRevan86MinceR: "large networks suck"Aug 02 19:56
*schestowitz-TR types /freenode lusers, gets error message :-)Aug 02 19:57
schestowitz-TRMinceR: I have experience with openfireAug 02 19:57
schestowitz-TRbut not very advancedAug 02 19:57
XRevan86OpenFire is not a nice one.Aug 02 19:57
schestowitz-TRjava iircAug 02 19:57
schestowitz-TR"you're (open)fired!"Aug 02 19:58
XRevan86Prosody has something that matterbridge can use to bridge just like in here.Aug 02 19:58
schestowitz-TRover the years I needed to 'fix' it a few timesAug 02 19:58
XRevan86but no means noAug 02 19:58
schestowitz-TRXRevan86: but more maintenance overheadAug 02 19:58
schestowitz-TR#techrights at LC is dead activity-wiseAug 02 19:59
schestowitz-TRjust lurkers and parkers, for nearly a week now...Aug 02 19:59
XRevan86schestowitz: I can give it activity with some bridge adjustments if ye want :)Aug 02 20:00
schestowitz-TRbetter now, I saw your smile anywayAug 02 20:01
schestowitz-TR*better notAug 02 20:01
schestowitz-TRthe keyboard is getting softer Aug 02 20:01
schestowitz-TRwith all the hard strokesAug 02 20:01
schestowitz-TRbut I still have typos with itAug 02 20:01
schestowitz-TRI actually look forward to embracing gnunetAug 02 20:02
schestowitz-TRbut it's sort of betaAug 02 20:02
techrights-news#Patents are not rights, Dennis Crouch, so quit promoting this #propaganda . You're a law lecturer, so surely you know this, but your blog is funded by #patent #litigation fanatics and profiteers who make a living from misleading judges, legislators etc. 02 20:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | "Shall be the Property" is not an Assignment of Patent RightsAug 02 20:06
CrystalMathMinceR: i like NIH :)Aug 02 20:08
CrystalMathschestowitz-TR: LUSERS was also the MIT ITS command for listing users :)Aug 02 20:09
CrystalMathprobably taken from thereAug 02 20:09
techrights-newsNotice how they only ever give a platform and voice to patent litigation fanatics and aggressive law firms, not anybody who represent the public interest in this patent battlezone–-navigating-the-challenge/Aug 02 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @–-navigating-the-challenge/ )Aug 02 20:12
DaemonFC 02 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Evictions expected to spike as pandemic moratorium ends - ABC7 ChicagoAug 02 20:12
DaemonFCThrow them out!Aug 02 20:12
DaemonFCThey were too lazy to file for a program that would pay 6 months of their rent and they were too busy buying TVs and playstations and trips to Disney and marijuana with "enhanced" unemployment that ends next month.Aug 02 20:12
DaemonFCThey have our economy so out of whack.Aug 02 20:13
DaemonFCRent's going up on people who do bother to pay. It's hard to even get an apartment because they're afraid you'll pay one month and then turn into another one of these folks.Aug 02 20:13
techrights-news#china has some lol #patents ... gaming the system as usual. To our detriment. 02 20:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 2020 China Top 10 IP Cases: Winners’ Sun is truly a Winner: A Simple Selfie-Stick Utility Model Patent Crushes Infringers in China - China Patent StrategyAug 02 20:13
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: OTAug 02 20:14
schestowitz-TRpost in the correct channelAug 02 20:14
DaemonFCNext month the "enhanced" unemployment ends and everyone's going to play musical chairs for the 12 million open jobs that are available and haven't been filled.Aug 02 20:14
DaemonFCJust let it happen.Aug 02 20:14
schestowitz-TRpoor ryan shaming poor peopleAug 02 20:14
DaemonFCIt's going to be a huge right-sizing that happens all at once.Aug 02 20:14
schestowitz-TRback to tech nowAug 02 20:15
DaemonFCAnd it's squarely the fault of these idiots that they elected who helped put them in a predicament.Aug 02 20:15
MinceR02 210802 < CrystalMath> MinceR: i like NIH :)Aug 02 20:19
MinceRi don'tAug 02 20:19
MinceRespecially when it results in things like having to manually rejoin channels if i connected during a netsplitAug 02 20:20
DaemonFCI liked Ariadne's response though about car insurance.Aug 02 20:20
CrystalMathhuh?Aug 02 20:20
DaemonFC"$90 for PLPD? Did you run over a kid?".Aug 02 20:20
DaemonFCNope, good credit goes bad.Aug 02 20:20
CrystalMathMinceR: for real, if you join a channel during a netsplit, you have to /part and /join again??Aug 02 20:20
DaemonFCThat's the only difference between paying $45 a month and $90.Aug 02 20:21
Ariadnewell i am paying $45 for full coverage, and you are paying $90 for liability :pAug 02 20:21
Ariadnecorrection: $43.88Aug 02 20:21
DaemonFCNo, I pay $23 a month plus 3.1 cents per mile.Aug 02 20:21
Ariadne3.1 cents a mile?!Aug 02 20:22
AriadnegeezeAug 02 20:22
DaemonFCThats for 50/100/25 and uninsured motorist bodily injury of 50/100 and uninsured motorist property damage covering $15,000.Aug 02 20:22
DaemonFCWhich is more than what my car is worth, but adds so little to the cost, why not.Aug 02 20:22
DaemonFCYeah, a lot of it is the area, you know.Aug 02 20:22
DaemonFCYou live out in the middle of nowhere. I live in Grand Theft Auto Waukegan.Aug 02 20:22
DaemonFCI have to pay more because of a bunch of derelicts who drive drunk with no insurance.Aug 02 20:23
DaemonFCROy would get testy if I went further and named the demographic.Aug 02 20:23
DaemonFCAriadne, If I moved back to a rural area of Indiana it would drop at least 25% for that reason alone.Aug 02 20:23
DaemonFCJust moving out of Chicago saved me a fortune.Aug 02 20:23
Ariadnei am in the process of moving back to oklahoma (:Aug 02 20:23
Ariadnein wyoming, i got a new neighborAug 02 20:24
schestowitz-TRhome-haAug 02 20:24
Ariadnewho has a flagAug 02 20:24
Ariadnethat says "WE KILL FUCKING FAGGOTS IN WYOMING"Aug 02 20:24
DaemonFCWhen I had 826 FICO and full coverage on the Kia with $250 deductibles, I paid $68 a month to Root in Fox Lake, IL.Aug 02 20:24
Ariadneso, i decidedAug 02 20:24
Ariadnei should make an exitAug 02 20:24
DaemonFCThat's down from $87 in Chicago.Aug 02 20:24
DaemonFCThey rate you based on ZIP and what's going on in that area.Aug 02 20:24
DaemonFCWith the carjackings, hit and run felonies, and uninsured drivers, you pay more through no fault of your own.Aug 02 20:25
CrystalMathAriadne: some bullcrap flag doesn't make it trueAug 02 20:25
schestowitz-TRit's a warningAug 02 20:25
schestowitz-TRmaybe even intentionalAug 02 20:25
Ariadnewhat schestowitz-TR saidAug 02 20:25
schestowitz-TRlike a message to the neighbourAug 02 20:25
Ariadnehe was sending a messageAug 02 20:25
Ariadnemessage received!Aug 02 20:25
schestowitz-TRand if he reports to the police it can escalateAug 02 20:25
schestowitz-TRsheAug 02 20:25
schestowitz-TRthat never ends wellAug 02 20:25
DaemonFCSince carjackings and gun violence have doubled under Lori Lightfoot, the last black mayor, who knows.Aug 02 20:25
DaemonFCWho knows what they charge now.Aug 02 20:25
schestowitz-TRthe flag is "first amendment"Aug 02 20:25
schestowitz-TRreporting it starts the warAug 02 20:26
CrystalMathschestowitz-TR: i always ignore threads, for better or worseAug 02 20:26
CrystalMath*threatsAug 02 20:26
AriadnewellAug 02 20:26
CrystalMathnot threads :PAug 02 20:26
DaemonFCThey have a lot of things that are in their risk model, and some can be controlled by you and many can't.Aug 02 20:26
schestowitz-TRdependsAug 02 20:26
Ariadnei got tired ofAug 02 20:26
AriadnestarlinkAug 02 20:26
Ariadne:pAug 02 20:26
schestowitz-TRfrom a neighbour?Aug 02 20:26
schestowitz-TRor online?Aug 02 20:26
DaemonFCBeing married is a minor positive factor in car insurance.Aug 02 20:26
schestowitz-TRonline is one thingAug 02 20:26
CrystalMathschestowitz-TR: IRL onesAug 02 20:26
DaemonFCOn average, your rate goes down 4% if you're married.Aug 02 20:26
schestowitz-TRI left online a false address, so usually they dox the wrong oneAug 02 20:27
AriadnedamnAug 02 20:27
schestowitz-TRCrystalMath: well, bloody serbia :-)Aug 02 20:27
DaemonFCBeing under 25 years old is a major negative.Aug 02 20:27
schestowitz-TRyou're hardcoreAug 02 20:27
DaemonFCBeing male is a major negative.Aug 02 20:27
DaemonFCLiving in Chicago is a major negative.Aug 02 20:27
DaemonFCBad a major negative.Aug 02 20:27
DaemonFCRenting instead of owning your home is a mild negative. Never really got that one. Just something they can hit you with I guess.Aug 02 20:28
DaemonFCOwning a home makes you less fiscally stable.Aug 02 20:28
schestowitz-TRor flexibleAug 02 20:28
schestowitz-TRhard to moveAug 02 20:28
DaemonFCThings happen to the home you must repair. It costs more over time.Aug 02 20:29
schestowitz-TRhard to change or adapt to circumstancesAug 02 20:29
Ariadneits okAug 02 20:29
schestowitz-TRthe jobs are more volatile now than decades ago, but if people can always work from home, it rewards home ownershipAug 02 20:29
DaemonFCBasically driving like an old grandma and being married are all you can really "control", and nobody would just get married to save 4% on insurance.Aug 02 20:29
MinceR02 212051 < CrystalMath> MinceR: for real, if you join a channel during a netsplit, you have to /part and /join again??Aug 02 20:30
MinceRno, i have to try /join laterAug 02 20:30
DaemonFCYou can get out of a Democrat Hell city.Aug 02 20:30
CrystalMathMinceR: wait what happens when you /join on a netsplitAug 02 20:30
MinceRand see if the dumbass ircnet ircd will tell me again that i'm not allowed to do so because of splitmodeAug 02 20:30
CrystalMathohAug 02 20:30
CrystalMaththatAug 02 20:30
DaemonFCThat's good for lots of reasons, car insurance being maybe #6-7.Aug 02 20:30
CrystalMathMinceR: well that's goodAug 02 20:30
CrystalMathto prevent people from joining and being opped in an "empty" channelAug 02 20:30
CrystalMaththen their ops being carried overAug 02 20:31
Ariadneno its notAug 02 20:31
CrystalMathand they could then deop everybodyAug 02 20:31
AriadneTS fixed that problem in *checks notes* 1995Aug 02 20:31
DaemonFCI voted for a Republican mayor this time around in Waukegan. Flipped the office.Aug 02 20:31
CrystalMathAriadne: but isn't this also safe?Aug 02 20:31
AriadneIRCnet just doesn't adopt TSAug 02 20:31
DaemonFCNobody liked that Sam Cunningham guy in the end.Aug 02 20:31
DaemonFCHe worked with ICE, groped women, hired unqualified cronies and family members for city jobs....Aug 02 20:31
AriadneCrystalMath: that way is "safe" in the way that putting plastic covers over old power plugs makes them safe for toddlersAug 02 20:31
DaemonFCI mean, like, it wasn't really a choice, it was a lack of options. And he raised taxes!Aug 02 20:32
Ariadnedespite shielded plugs being mandatory in the US for the past 15 yearsAug 02 20:32
DaemonFCThe new mayor promised to do a budget cut. No new taxes.Aug 02 20:32
DaemonFCI like that. We need smarter government. Not higher taxes. Taxes are already too high.Aug 02 20:32
DaemonFCEvery year under Cunningham, the taxes got higher and the roads got worse.Aug 02 20:33
DaemonFCFinally when the street department did respond to the embarrassing pictures of all of the pot craters in the industrial park, they came out and replaced part of the road.Aug 02 20:33
DaemonFCThen the rest of it disintegrated shortly after and we're back to hot patching.Aug 02 20:34
CrystalMathAriadne: does EFNet do TS?Aug 02 20:34
AriadneyesAug 02 20:34
AriadneTS is what "the big split" was aboutAug 02 20:34
DaemonFCI at least got them to do something by taking pictures of all of that.Aug 02 20:34
Ariadneliterally, using TS or blocking /joinAug 02 20:34
CrystalMathwhat were the arguments against TS?Aug 02 20:35
DaemonFCThis was the first election where I've ever split my ballot. I've never voted for a Republican until the Waukegan local election this year.Aug 02 20:35
DaemonFCI feel like I'm probably going to do it again for Governor of Illinois next year.Aug 02 20:35
AriadneCrystalMath: how the fuck should i knowAug 02 20:35
Ariadnein 1995 i was likeAug 02 20:35
Ariadne8 years oldAug 02 20:36
DaemonFCMaybe Secretary of State too. I don't feel that the license branch is being ran efficiently.Aug 02 20:36
Ariadnei was likeAug 02 20:36
Ariadneclimbing trees and shitAug 02 20:36
Ariadnenot shitposting on ircAug 02 20:36
DaemonFCI feel that could use some improvements. A clean sweep of underperforming public workers and longer expirations on licenses.Aug 02 20:36
techrights-news#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesAug 02 20:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesAug 02 20:37
DaemonFCIndiana has a totally different system. There is a Secretary of State, but they have nothing to do with the license branch. That's an independent agency.Aug 02 20:37
MinceR02 212554 < schestowitz-TR> the flag is "first amendment"Aug 02 20:38
MinceRi believe the answer is covered by the second amendment.Aug 02 20:39
DaemonFCHaving the license branch under the Secretary of State brings corruption. There's huge incentive to have it hire too many people and make them all state union members. That way they spend their campaign money electing a Democrat and voting for him, and he in turn makes sure there's more useless work for them to do.Aug 02 20:39
MinceR02 213040 < CrystalMath> MinceR: well that's goodAug 02 20:39
MinceRno, that's not goodAug 02 20:39
*psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrightsAug 02 20:39
MinceRircd-s designed by sane people use timestamps insteadAug 02 20:39
*psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrightsAug 02 20:39
MinceRircnet's problem with that is that they weren't the ones who came up with thatAug 02 20:40
DaemonFCMinceR, I ran into a "How to remove Edge from Windows 10." article.Aug 02 20:40
MinceRso it must be badAug 02 20:40
DaemonFCTurns out, you _can_ do it, but it would definitely break the shell.Aug 02 20:40
CrystalMathMinceR: but think of the awesome reop mode :)Aug 02 20:40
techrights-newsKernel prepatch 5.14-rc4 02 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux 5.14-rc4 | Tux MachinesAug 02 20:40
CrystalMathyou set a channel flag and get reopped!Aug 02 20:40
DaemonFCMicrosoft is back to hardcoding things in the shell to open only in Edge.Aug 02 20:40
techrights-newsGNU C Library 2.34 released 02 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Glibc 2.34 and Going Beyond GNU Core Utils | Tux MachinesAug 02 20:40
MinceRCrystalMath: oh yeah, the reop mode which doesn't fucking workAug 02 20:41
schestowitzDaemonFC: that's soft-linkingAug 02 20:41
MinceRso it's kind of like chanfix, which also doesn't fucking workAug 02 20:41
MinceRbut at least they showed all those people who came up with ChanServ, which does workAug 02 20:41
CrystalMathMinceR: not true, i joined an empty channel, set reop mode, parted, joined again and i was an op! </troll>Aug 02 20:41
MinceRlolAug 02 20:42
CrystalMathChanServ ends up requiring accountsAug 02 20:42
CrystalMathand passwordsAug 02 20:42
DaemonFCEdge bypasses Windows Update.Aug 02 20:42
CrystalMathMinceR: and then you end up with SASL being mandatoryAug 02 20:42
MinceRno you don'tAug 02 20:43
MinceRafaik there's only 1 network that's stupid enough to make sasl mandatoryAug 02 20:43
DaemonFCIt checks for updates itself, and they update it every few days sometimes.Aug 02 20:43
CrystalMathnah there's more than 1Aug 02 20:43
CrystalMathand many that are sadly mandatory TLSAug 02 20:43
MinceRalso, accounts and passwords are a lot easier on the network than botnets flooding each other to keep ownership of channelsAug 02 20:43
MinceRalso a lot easier on our planetAug 02 20:43
CrystalMathi keep a channel on efnetAug 02 20:44
CrystalMathonly lost it twiceAug 02 20:44
CrystalMathbut we did manage to cycle :PAug 02 20:44
CrystalMathnow it looks like somsone lost a channel that matters to me and that one's a little big to cycleAug 02 20:44
CrystalMathoh wellAug 02 20:44
CrystalMathyou know, happensAug 02 20:44
CrystalMathlife is strangeAug 02 20:44
MinceRlife sucks and then you dieAug 02 20:45
schestowitz-TRthen worms suck youAug 02 20:47
techrights-newsLinks 2/8/2021: XEyes 1.2 and Fwupd 1.6.2 Released • 𝑻𝒆𝒄𝒉𝒓𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕𝒔 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 02 20:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Links 2/8/2021: XEyes 1.2 and Fwupd 1.6.2 Released | TechrightsAug 02 20:47
schestowitz-TRAriadne: you started irc aged 8?Aug 02 20:48
AriadnenoAug 02 20:48
Ariadnei started using irc at like 11 or 12Aug 02 20:48
Ariadnein 99Aug 02 20:48
CrystalMathAriadne: for some reason i always assumed you were ancientAug 02 20:49
schestowitz-TRancient is an interesting choice of wordAug 02 20:54
MinceRa Great Old One?Aug 02 20:54
XRevan86one of the First OnesAug 02 20:54
schestowitz-TRI thought I was getting old when I reached 20Aug 02 20:54
schestowitz-TRthere's a point where people cannot say you're "young" anymoreAug 02 20:54
schestowitz-TRand no wunderkind eitherAug 02 20:54
schestowitz-TRor "gifted child"Aug 02 20:54
schestowitz-TRleaving early for the night, am back on work shifts tomorrow...... laterAug 02 20:55
techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▂▅▃▂▃▄▅▅▄▅▆▆▇▄▅▅▂▆▅▂▅▁▄▄▅▄▅▅▅▆▅▃▆▁ avg(k/sec) 19.63 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁█▁▁▂▁▃▂▂▁▂▁▂▂▃█▁▂█▁▂▁▂▂▂▁▂▃▂▁▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 77.35▕ swarm size (avg): 282.61  ⟲Aug 02 21:05
cybrNaut/ is not listed on is that intentional?Aug 02 21:13
XRevan86> Your IRC network should have a valid user base. The threshold is currently set to 50 concurrent users.Aug 02 21:15
XRevan86cybrNaut: Does it really have to be? It's a specialised server after all.Aug 02 21:15
cybrNaut/fni guess it depends on the Techrights vision/goals.  It would get some visibility on netsplit, but i guess it's a question of whether that's wanted.  I guess it could be a bad thing if it gets popular and then resources have to be diverted from Techrights content to babysittingAug 02 21:21
XRevan86cybrNaut: The server is just a place for techrights' channels (and tuxmachines just because).Aug 02 21:22
DaemonFCI think I started using IRC in 1998, so I would have been 13 or 14.Aug 02 21:25
cybrNaut/'s landing page says: "Mark Zuckerberg, your users are not dumbfucks."Aug 02 21:26
cybrNaut/fni beg to differAug 02 21:26
XRevan86schestowitz: It crossed my mind a long time ago but I keep forgetting to bring that up: tuxmachines is that one channel that has more reasons to be on a public network.Aug 02 21:26
DaemonFCmIRC on Windows 98. The version that I stripped of IE and crap and put the Windows 95b shell into.Aug 02 21:26
cybrNaut/fnI think Zuckerberg was right about thtaAug 02 21:26
DaemonFCIt was probably the best OS that computer was going to run at that point.Aug 02 21:26
DaemonFCFairly stable and did everything I needed it to do.Aug 02 21:26
DaemonFCI was a big fan of Opera. The original Opera.Aug 02 21:26
DaemonFCIt was 50 times smaller than the other browsers and loaded all the sites I used quickly.Aug 02 21:27
DaemonFCFor email, I liked both the client that came as part of Netscape Communicator 4, but the browser sucked.Aug 02 21:28
DaemonFCI eventually used Eudora for a long time. I couldn't afford it, but I think I must have either stripped the adware out or found a serial number somewhere.Aug 02 21:28
kingoffranceyes, old opera was small and fast compared to the competitionAug 02 21:29
XRevan86cybrNaut: Why do ye write from freenode though?Aug 02 21:29
XRevan86cybrNaut: Do ye know what to do when it collapses?Aug 02 21:29
DaemonFCEventually, I switched to the Opera M2 Mail.Aug 02 21:30
DaemonFCVivaldi is apparently getting a mail client like that.Aug 02 21:30
DaemonFCSweeeeeeet.Aug 02 21:30
cybrNaut/fni'm still in limbo here.  My freenode acct was deregistered (as everyone's) and I can't be bothered to re-registerAug 02 21:30
DaemonFCI was so impressed by Opera 3 that I started recommending it to everyone at that point.Aug 02 21:30
XRevan86cybrNaut: Oh. I dare you to reconnect >:3Aug 02 21:30
cybrNaut/fnso if it goes south, that's fine.  I know about irc.techrights.orgAug 02 21:30
DaemonFCAnd managed to get it listed on some freeware sites when it became free to use.Aug 02 21:31
DaemonFCI hyped it up years before it became crap owned by China built on Chromium.Aug 02 21:31
XRevan86cybrNaut: Ye are not coming back from the reconnect, just so we're clear.Aug 02 21:31
DaemonFCWhich they didn't even bother to port to Linux for years after that, despite first rate support previously.Aug 02 21:31
cybrNaut/fnxreven86 not sure what you meanAug 02 21:32
cybrNaut/fni'm on freenode now, but just not registeredAug 02 21:32
DaemonFCThat smarted me.Aug 02 21:33
DaemonFCI've never promoted non-Free software like that again even if I thought it was very useful.Aug 02 21:33
DaemonFCOr efficient.Aug 02 21:33
DaemonFCThere's simply no guarantee it will remain so, and nobody can fork it if it goes bad.Aug 02 21:33
XRevan86cybrNaut: Yes, that's what I mean.Aug 02 21:34
XRevan86cybrNaut: If ye reconnect, ye are not coming back to freenode, it's that simple.Aug 02 21:34
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cybrNaut/fnwhat do you mean "reconnect"?  i've reconnected now. I periodically reconnect to freenode.  Though it may be less and less now that freenode is no longer in the listingsAug 02 21:36
DaemonFCI need to bump LibreOffice again. They release frequently.Aug 02 21:36
DaemonFCSays 7.1.5 has 55 bug fixes, 20% of which are compatibility improvements with Microsoft formats.Aug 02 21:36
DaemonFCWhich, in reality, is what everyone uses, so gotta have those.Aug 02 21:36
DaemonFCIt'll be a cold day in Hell before I ever start renting time in an online office program.Aug 02 21:37
XRevan86cybrNaut: Ye did? And ye didn't get "You must use TLS/SSL and authenticate via SASL to connect to freenode please visit in order to create an account. SASL Configuration: - Webchat:"?Aug 02 21:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ LoginAug 02 21:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Connecting with SASL - freenodeAug 02 21:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kiwi IRCAug 02 21:38
XRevan86I even tried it now to make sure they didn't back down on this.Aug 02 21:38
XRevan86cybrNaut: Are ye sure ye didn't register and then just forget?Aug 02 21:39
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cybrNaut/fni seem to recall being forced to reconfigure my client for sasl or tls or something like that.. it's not that hard.  i believe everyone lost their registration, but that doesn't prevent login.  It just means you can't control a channel.  I may just continue with an unreg'd acctAug 02 21:40
XRevan86cybrNaut: SASL means having an account.Aug 02 21:41
cybrNaut/fni know i'm not registered.. #help folks on freenode just confirmed it.  when i do /msg chanserv help, it's clear that i'm not registered because it doesn't show the channel registration optionsAug 02 21:41
DaemonFC 02 21:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Eudora™ Email Client Source Code - CHMAug 02 21:42
cybrNaut/fnoh, right, yeah i don't think my connection to freenode uses SASL.. i'm using sasl for other networks IIRCAug 02 21:42
DaemonFCEudora source code has been mostly BSD licensed. They stripped it of third party components and sanitized "bad words" in the source comments.Aug 02 21:42
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, That 90s ad for Eudora says you can use it to email Hillary Clinton. :)Aug 02 21:44
XRevan86cybrNaut: Well, why are ye here then?Aug 02 21:44
XRevan86reconnect should've ejected you for goodAug 02 21:45
cybrNaut/fnimagine that.. emailing Hillary in the 90s, and then finding your email today on wikileaks :)Aug 02 21:45
DaemonFC"The last Qualcomm Windows version of Eudora continues, with some glitches, to work well under Windows 10."Aug 02 21:46
cybrNaut/fnXRevan86: maybe SASL is only needed for registration?  I'm not registered, so doesn't it naturally follows that i can connect without SASL?Aug 02 21:46
DaemonFCProbably works best in Wine.Aug 02 21:46
XRevan86cybrNaut: noAug 02 21:47
DaemonFC"The Apple Macintosh version, unfortunately, did not survive the transition to the modern Mac processors and operating systems, and can now only run using emulators."Aug 02 21:47
DaemonFCProbably not at all on the M1 Mac.Aug 02 21:47
DaemonFCMacs almost never run any program that hasn't been updated for a few years.Aug 02 21:47
DaemonFCWindows can almost always run programs for at least 10-15 years, sometimes longer, after they stop getting updates.Aug 02 21:48
DaemonFC"Although Eudora became unsupported as of 2006, some of us are in denial and still use it as our primary email client. I have over 350,000 archived messages in the Windows Eudora format going back to 1997, along with 28,000 embedded images and 33,000 saved attachments. I run it with only minor problems under Windows 10.Aug 02 21:49
DaemonFC"Aug 02 21:49
DaemonFCThat's kind of why I use IMAP.Aug 02 21:50
XRevan86cybrNaut: This doesn't really make sense.Aug 02 21:50
XRevan86cybrNaut: I can think of two possible explanations: 1. ye're connecting to a server that hasn't received the policy yet for some reason (do those exist?); 2. the reconnect is somehow tainted by your previous connection (or it's not a real reconnect somehow).Aug 02 21:51
DaemonFC"Also, the Windows version uses a Qualcomm-modified version of RogueWave Software’s Stingray package of extensions to MFC, the Microsoft Foundation Class library for C++. After more than three years of discussion, we finally secured an agreement with RogueWave, giving us permission to distribute a binary linkable library compiled from the 20-year-old source code, but only for noncommercial use. That library is not currently part of thiAug 02 21:53
DaemonFCs release, but we will build and distribute it if there is credible interest in rebuilding a noncommercial Windows version of Eudora. But it will take some effort to make the changes to the RogueWave source code necessary to compile it in a modern development environment, and we could use help in doing that.Aug 02 21:53
DaemonFC"Aug 02 21:53
DaemonFCThey had to make an even bigger mess than MFC for C++?Aug 02 21:53
DaemonFC:)Aug 02 21:53
cybrNaut/fnXRevan86: the login banner suggests that i'm connected to '', a server that i did not know existed, and my client is not configured for.  My client is aware of, hubbard.., wright..., verne.., all on ports 6697, 7000, and 7070Aug 02 21:56
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cybrNaut/fnperhaps one of those servers that i'm configured for redirected me to libera.freenode.netAug 02 21:57
CrystalMathhehAug 02 21:57
CrystalMaththat is a real server :)Aug 02 21:57
cybrNaut/fnbut i can see that i'm certainly not using SASL to reach freenodeAug 02 21:57
XRevan861. the subdomain is hilarious; 2. it requires SASL.Aug 02 21:57
XRevan86cybrNaut: Can ye tell me how many users there are without using the "/lusers" command? :)Aug 02 21:58
cybrNaut/fnfrom the login banner => "-!- Current local users: 1283  Max: 1391"Aug 02 21:59
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XRevan86Not the right one to share, but that counts indeed…Aug 02 21:59
CrystalMaththat's just libera.freenode.netAug 02 21:59
XRevan86Yea, no one ever cares about that number.Aug 02 22:00
CrystalMathi'm on arcAug 02 22:00
cybrNaut/fnthis was also in the banner => "!- There are 2611 users and 19068 invisible on 28 servers"Aug 02 22:00
XRevan86CrystalMath: How is that possible though?Aug 02 22:00
CrystalMathXRevan86: hmm?Aug 02 22:01
CrystalMathXRevan86: cybrNaut/fn connected god knows how long agoAug 02 22:01
XRevan86CrystalMath: Why cybrNaut is able to reconnect without having a registered user?Aug 02 22:01
CrystalMathyeah before the change, it was possibleAug 02 22:01
XRevan86CrystalMath: Can ye NickServ INFO him just in case?Aug 02 22:02
DaemonFC 02 22:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Word for Windows Version 1.1a Source Code - CHMAug 02 22:02
DaemonFCIt would be interesting to see that chart go all the way to now.Aug 02 22:02
cybrNaut/fni use ZNC which keeps me connected for quite long.. but i think the znc server was rebooted a couple weeks agoAug 02 22:02
DaemonFCHow many people balked at the stupidity of Office 365 and started using LibreOffice because of that?Aug 02 22:02
XRevan86cybrNaut: Wait…Aug 02 22:02
CrystalMathcybrNaut is *not* registered, logged on at Wed Jul 21 9:33:51 PM 2021 before the rule changeAug 02 22:02
XRevan86cybrNaut: Of course I mean reconnect the client that is connected to freenode.Aug 02 22:02
CrystalMaththat will knock him outAug 02 22:03
XRevan86Mystery solved.Aug 02 22:03
CrystalMathand he'll have to use the web thingyAug 02 22:03
cybrNaut/fnare you saying that i'm hanging on by a thread here?  if my znc server is restarted, i won't get back on unless i setup sasl for freenode?Aug 02 22:03
CrystalMathcorrectAug 02 22:03
cybrNaut/fnshitAug 02 22:03
CrystalMathwell technically if you're registered, you can also use :)Aug 02 22:04
CrystalMaththat has SASLAug 02 22:04
XRevan86CrystalMath: "and he'll have to use the web thingy" – what thingy? the registration page?Aug 02 22:04
CrystalMathyesAug 02 22:04
CrystalMathat least now he can do /ns registerAug 02 22:04
DaemonFC"Over the next years Word was continually improved. The first version for Microsoft Windows was released in late 1989 at a single-user price of $495."Aug 02 22:04
DaemonFC$ 1989!!!Aug 02 22:04
DaemonFCFUCK ME.Aug 02 22:04
CrystalMathDaemonFC: what a liar steve ballmer wasAug 02 22:04
CrystalMathhe said it's only $99.99Aug 02 22:04
XRevan86cybrNaut: That took took long to sink in :DAug 02 22:05
XRevan86s/took took/took/Aug 02 22:05
XRevan86wait… no… that made sense the first timeAug 02 22:05
CrystalMath"took too long"Aug 02 22:05
CrystalMathjust remove the second kAug 02 22:06
XRevan86yes, brainfart resolvedAug 02 22:06
cybrNaut/fni wasn't aware of the change.. i just wonder if i should register while i still have access.  I recall something i didn't like about the registration hoops.. maybe a captcha or something.Aug 02 22:06
cybrNaut/fni'll have to look againAug 02 22:06
CrystalMathcybrNaut/fn: no such thing if you use NickServAug 02 22:07
XRevan86cybrNaut: Do ye have *anything* of value on freenode?Aug 02 22:07
XRevan86cybrNaut: That is the real question. And I suspect the answer to be "nay".Aug 02 22:07
cybrNaut/fnwell, i want to keep a foot in each network, because Libera does some stupid shit.  They have cloudflared their web gateway, and it's also impossible for me to register on libera (not sure what stopped me.. perhaps a CAPTCHA)Aug 02 22:08
*cybrNaut/fn doesn't do CAPTCHAsAug 02 22:08
XRevan86cybrNaut: freenode is cloudflared as well.Aug 02 22:08
CrystalMathyeah but it always wasAug 02 22:09
XRevan86CrystalMath: Just like Libera.Aug 02 22:09
XRevan86not matter where ye draw the continuityAug 02 22:09
cybrNaut/fnwhat's cloudflared?  certainly not the web gateway.  I think the main page is, but that's not a big deal.. at least it's not cloudflared in a blocking wayAug 02 22:09
CrystalMathlibera is not the old freenode, the old freenode had christel as the head of staffAug 02 22:09
XRevan86cybrNaut: no captchaAug 02 22:10
CrystalMathwhen christel left it was a hostile takeover by Fuchs and tomawAug 02 22:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nickname Registration | Libera ChatAug 02 22:10
cybrNaut/fnunlike libera, where their web gateway's CF configuration is blocking Tor (forced captcha)Aug 02 22:10
CrystalMathyou can't change that factAug 02 22:10
CrystalMaththat hostile takeover was neutralized but i guess the lack of christel caused things to go different ways regardlessAug 02 22:10
XRevan86CrystalMath: That is a perspective based on freenode, Ltd. being the ultimate authority on freenode.Aug 02 22:10
CrystalMathXRevan86: Christel Dahlskjaer was the ultimate authority over freenode, and she formed it, so yesAug 02 22:11
CrystalMathshe formed it = Freenode LtdAug 02 22:11
XRevan86CrystalMath: Ye can probably see how it can be a problem how the freenode staff had no connection whatsoever to its new leader Andrew Lee.Aug 02 22:12
CrystalMathbecause christel continued to be the head of staff as alwaysAug 02 22:12
CrystalMathuntil this yearAug 02 22:12
XRevan86CrystalMath: Yes, she had two separate positions.Aug 02 22:12
XRevan86in two separate entitiesAug 02 22:12
cybrNaut/fnah, i see now what annoyed me about registering my Freenode nick: i now must supply an E-mail address.  It's not as bad as having a captcha though.. perhaps a disposable address will workAug 02 22:12
XRevan86Then the freenode side just went on and elected a new head of staff.Aug 02 22:13
XRevan86and Andrew Lee was like "wait, ye can't do that"Aug 02 22:13
XRevan86cybrNaut: That's also the same on freenode and Libera.Aug 02 22:13
CrystalMathXRevan86: because the staffers other than christel were terrible people like Fuchs and tomawAug 02 22:13
XRevan86cybrNaut: So, do ye have a foot on EFnet?Aug 02 22:13
CrystalMathif christel were to start a new network, i'd be willing to consider it "freenode classic 2"Aug 02 22:13
CrystalMathbut she'll probably elect terrible people who will just use mob tactics against her again :(Aug 02 22:14
XRevan86CrystalMath: 02 22:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. - YouTubeAug 02 22:14
CrystalMathlibera is not freenode classic and it's ridiculous to claim thatAug 02 22:14
cybrNaut/fni've not used EFnet since the 90s.. but i was just thinking i should have a look at itAug 02 22:14
CrystalMathcybrNaut/fn: i'm thereAug 02 22:15
XRevan86cybrNaut: It's bigger than freenode, so might be worth a look.Aug 02 22:15
XRevan86As are four other networks.Aug 02 22:15
CrystalMathfour other?Aug 02 22:15
XRevan86CrystalMath: Libera, IRCnet, OFTC and Undernet are also bigger.Aug 02 22:15
CrystalMathoh yeah OFTCAug 02 22:16
CrystalMathi forgot themAug 02 22:16
XRevan86In that orderAug 02 22:16
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XRevan86Libera: 42K, IRCnet: 23.5K, OFTC: 19K, Undernet: 16.5K, EFnet: 13.3K, freenode: 13.1K, QuakeNet: 10KAug 02 22:18
XRevan86cybrNaut: So get a foot in all of those I guess :)Aug 02 22:19
*cybrNaut/fn considers growing 3 more feetAug 02 22:20
XRevan86cybrNaut: I really don't know what channels ye're even in on freenode. #freenode is alive, so I guess that counts.Aug 02 22:20
cybrNaut/fnwell it's largely dead in both freenode and libera.. some activity but the division certainly slowed things down.Aug 02 22:22
XRevan86cybrNaut: The undisclosed channel ye're participating in ye mean?Aug 02 22:23
cybrNaut/fnFSF decided to migrate to Libera based on foolish reasons, then freenode got emotional about it and kicked FSF ops out of #fsf, thus burning the bridge so there is no chance of FSF reversing their decisionAug 02 22:24
XRevan86cybrNaut: Foolish reasons, right.Aug 02 22:25
CrystalMathXRevan86: poltiical channels on freenode are aliveAug 02 22:25
cybrNaut/fnso when the embarassment hit -- of people being forced to run non-free software to solve the captcha to attend the FSF Directory meeting via the web gateway, FSF had no recourse that wouldn't also be embarrassingAug 02 22:25
CrystalMathlight up all the timeAug 02 22:25
DaemonFC<CrystalMath> he said it's only $99.99Aug 02 22:25
DaemonFCThat was for Windows.Aug 02 22:25
CrystalMathahAug 02 22:25
DaemonFCThen once they got that in on you it was almost $500 for the office program.Aug 02 22:26
XRevan86CrystalMath: I can see that working like that. Is that what cybrNaut was on freenode for though? So I'm trying to find out.Aug 02 22:26
CrystalMathbut hey you can put a ferrari onto a spreadsheetAug 02 22:26
cybrNaut/fnFSF was very transparent about their move from Freenode to those reasons are well documented.  They even established criteria prior to the decision.  But then they actually went against their criteriaAug 02 22:27
cybrNaut/fnit was good criteria, but the rationale didn't follow from the criteriaAug 02 22:27
XRevan86cybrNaut: webchat is not that important.Aug 02 22:27
CrystalMathwell i suppose freenode would not fit the criteria nowAug 02 22:27
CrystalMathi still wish they did irc.gnu.orgAug 02 22:28
cybrNaut/fnno webchat isn't important, but it's still an embarassment that FSF would force a segment of people to execute non-free softwareAug 02 22:28
CrystalMathcybrNaut/fn: also libera.crap has sasl-only ranges tooAug 02 22:28
cybrNaut/fnsoftware freedom was one of the criteria IIRCAug 02 22:28
XRevan86cybrNaut: That segment of people could use any other webchat there is, including kiwiirc.comAug 02 22:28
CrystalMaththere are IP ranges that must use SASL so they must registerAug 02 22:28
cybrNaut/fnXRevan86: no, same problem. is CF tooAug 02 22:29
cybrNaut/fni looked into the web clients on offer.. they were all CFd and/or tor-blockingAug 02 22:30
XRevan86cybrNaut: okay, let me put it this way: I don't know what channels ye're in, maybe ye're in #anime, if so, maybe freenode works for you.Aug 02 22:30
CrystalMath#techrights :PAug 02 22:30
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XRevan86CrystalMath: That one hands by a thread there too.Aug 02 22:31
XRevan86* hangsAug 02 22:31
cybrNaut/fna lot of freenode channels have become social channelsAug 02 22:31
XRevan86CrystalMath: That one ye should go to for.Aug 02 22:31
cybrNaut/fne.g. #lynx is mostly a discussion on climate chgAug 02 22:31
XRevan86I mean, cybrNautAug 02 22:31
XRevan86cybrNaut: If that's what ye're in for, then sure.Aug 02 22:32
CrystalMathsupport still happens on freenodeAug 02 22:32
CrystalMathbut also on EFNetAug 02 22:32
CrystalMathso idkAug 02 22:32
CrystalMathi wouldn't say freenode is specifically for FLOSS supportAug 02 22:32
CrystalMathbut it is for free speechAug 02 22:32
CrystalMathwhich is greatAug 02 22:32
CrystalMathonly you sadly must be registered for thatAug 02 22:32
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activelowi am registered for that, and my account was wipedAug 02 22:33
cybrNaut/fna lot of channels are bogarted by assholes, and those assholes followed the crowd to Libera, so it's nice to have a parallel universe where ppl are more relaxedAug 02 22:33
XRevan86CrystalMath: Isn't there free speech on Undernet?Aug 02 22:33
CrystalMathXRevan86: i think there is, yesAug 02 22:33
CrystalMathi should maybe go there sometimesAug 02 22:33
XRevan86CrystalMath: Wouldn't that be a better place to be then?Aug 02 22:33
CrystalMathi currently have no friends thereAug 02 22:34
CrystalMathunless some of them are there but i just don't know :PAug 02 22:34
XRevan86cybrNaut: I know a person that shares the same opinion. Well, they did, now they left IRC.Aug 02 22:34
CrystalMathit was my first network back in 2006Aug 02 22:34
XRevan86Turns out, freenode is empty and has no actual social value.Aug 02 22:34
CrystalMathXRevan86: 13k isn't emptyAug 02 22:34
activelowi haven't understood yet why rasengan wiped the entire database, because anti-spam measures did not require to do so, with other optionsAug 02 22:35
CrystalMathheck, i have a channel on a network with 100Aug 02 22:35
CrystalMaththat is the busiestAug 02 22:35
XRevan86CrystalMath: They were trying to hang out in the technical channels. Ye can see how that's a recipe for disaster.Aug 02 22:35
CrystalMaththe entire network has ~100Aug 02 22:35
CrystalMathi mean if you just look at freenode like any other network, it's not that bad if you already have an accountAug 02 22:36
CrystalMathbut there's little reason to start going thereAug 02 22:36
CrystalMathit's like an exclusive clubAug 02 22:36
CrystalMathwhich can be good sometimesAug 02 22:36
XRevan86It doesn't look like cybrNaut is actually in all the new alive channels, apart from #freenode.Aug 02 22:36
XRevan86and rather in the old FOSS-y channels that are abandoned for their purposeAug 02 22:37
CrystalMath#fsf is repurposed but not off-topicAug 02 22:37
CrystalMath#perl has the same purpose as beforeAug 02 22:37
XRevan86CrystalMath: Sounds a lot like #techrights on Libera which schestowitz keeps bringing up for some reason.Aug 02 22:38
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DaemonFCBecause some shysters like mjg59_ have taken it over. It's not real.Aug 02 22:40
XRevan86If it's not real, why even care.Aug 02 22:41
gustafthere are 3 channels on Freenode with more than 300 users Aug 02 22:41
DaemonFCReputational harm.Aug 02 22:41
cybrNaut/fnit's always good to have other places to go for a topic when an asshat bullies people aroundAug 02 22:41
gustafyesterady I beliebve there were 5 or 6Aug 02 22:41
gustaf#freenode, #networking, #linuxAug 02 22:42
XRevan86cybrNaut: I even see a channel called #freerms on Libera.Aug 02 22:42
MinceRfree speech with free zlinesAug 02 22:42
gustaf#perl has 68 users Aug 02 22:42
*cybrNaut/fn ditched Reddit entirely because of the rampant unchecked censorship and shadow banningAug 02 22:42
XRevan86surely there are more places to go than the official channelAug 02 22:42
XRevan86One doesn't have to look for a rogue #fsf on a fringe network.Aug 02 22:43
cybrNaut/fnif you want to talk shit about FSF, then libera#fsf won't pan out too wellAug 02 22:43
gustaf#perl on Libera has more users than all but one channel on Freenode... sad to see Aug 02 22:43
XRevan86cybrNaut: Ah, so it's exactly like #techrights at Libera :DAug 02 22:43
CrystalMath72Aug 02 22:44
cybrNaut/fnnot sure what you mean.. techrights official channel is techrights#techrightsAug 02 22:44
CrystalMathoopsAug 02 22:44
cybrNaut/fnnot liberaAug 02 22:45
XRevan86cybrNaut: ^ "Because some shysters like mjg59_ have taken it over. It's not real."Aug 02 22:45
CrystalMathtried to type /72, to see what the heck i have on window 72Aug 02 22:45
XRevan86cybrNaut: A rogue channel where mjg59 can talk shit about techrights. See the parallel?Aug 02 22:45
gustafno-one has said anything in #techrights@libera in 4 or 5 daysAug 02 22:47
psychedeliacrat/fnYour email address is not allowed, choose a different one.Aug 02 22:47
psychedeliacrat/fn^ freenode is fussy about email addressAug 02 22:47
XRevan86gustaf: And there are only ~50 people here over 360 in #fsfAug 02 22:48
XRevan86Different scale.Aug 02 22:48
gustafoh yeah no-one has chatted in #fsf@freenode since Wed... Aug 02 22:48
XRevan86gustaf: Oh, that's just sad.Aug 02 22:49
XRevan86What was cybrNaut's point again?Aug 02 22:49
psychedeliacrat/fnoftc has become more unusable.  some channels now require registration, and registration requires a captchaAug 02 22:49
XRevan86psychedeliacrat: Captcha is the reason why FSF decided against OFTC.Aug 02 22:50
psychedeliacrat/fnit's a good reasonAug 02 22:50
gustafdoens't require a captcha now too ? Aug 02 22:50
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gustafnever checked, I regstered on fReenode before SASL became mandatory Aug 02 22:50
psychedeliacrat/fntoo bad FSF didn't think that through w.r.t web gateway on liberaAug 02 22:51
MinceRtoo bad the FSF ran right into the arms of its enemiesAug 02 22:51
XRevan86gustaf: I don't think they do, but they don't really need to.Aug 02 22:51
gustafpsychedeliacrat/fn: too bad Freenode staff kicked them out... Aug 02 22:51
gustafXRevan86: I've just seen references to "unfree javascript" been thrown aroundAug 02 22:51
gustafoh yeah there's supposed to be a curl-based workaround Aug 02 22:52
gustafwell, Bagira didAug 02 22:52
gustafhe;s out too Aug 02 22:52
XRevan86gustaf: Well, we need a guinea pig to check :)Aug 02 22:52
CrystalMathrasengan also didn't appreciate the FSF parroting the narrative that he's doing some kind of "hostile takeover"Aug 02 22:52
CrystalMathwhich was not nice of the FSFAug 02 22:52
XRevan86gustaf: People don't exactly want to register on freenode, with or without captcha.Aug 02 22:53
MinceRand he fixed it by making it more hostile?Aug 02 22:53
CrystalMathbecause it really wasn'tAug 02 22:53
gustafhe proved them right, didn't he? ;_Aug 02 22:53
gustafby doing a hostile takeover of #fsfAug 02 22:53
CrystalMathgustaf: hostile maybe, takeover noAug 02 22:53
CrystalMath:PAug 02 22:53
CrystalMathi mean regarding freenodeAug 02 22:53
CrystalMaththe channel was taken, certainlyAug 02 22:53
gustafwe've been over this before, mature people talk things over, addled manchildren lash out Aug 02 22:53
psychedeliacrat/fni'm starting to lose interest in registering on freenode.. disposable email addy rejectedAug 02 22:54
gustafanyway new party line is FSF is "big FOSS" Aug 02 22:54
CrystalMathpsychedeliacrat/fn: was it 10minutemail?Aug 02 22:54
psychedeliacrat/fnno, and both rejectedAug 02 22:55
XRevan86CrystalMath: The problem that Christel caused is that freenode, Ltd. didn't have that much to do with freenode.Aug 02 22:55
gustafI used a disposable email to register an alt account when I got on bagira's shitlist Aug 02 22:55
MinceRXRevan86: well, that problem has been fixedAug 02 22:56
gustafbut maybe thev've tightened that upAug 02 22:56
psychedeliacrat/fnwtf is CloudflareAug 02 22:56
gustaf*everything* is cloudflare now ;)Aug 02 22:56
MinceR:(Aug 02 22:56
XRevan86MinceR: Yea, all conflict was resolved with brute force.Aug 02 22:56
MinceRXRevan86: i fail to see the brute forceAug 02 22:57
XRevan86MinceR: Not literal force, figuratively.Aug 02 22:57
psychedeliacrat/fnthe deCloudflare project had a little known *onion-accessible disposable email service that worked great, while it was upAug 02 22:57
psychedeliacrat/fnit wasn't blacklisted anywhere, it seemedAug 02 22:58
XRevan86MinceR: I mean how Andrew Lee approaches people who don't do what he wants.Aug 02 22:59
psychedeliacrat/fnlooks like Freenode has exceeded my threshold of tolerance with registration, so I may be off freenode next time my server rebootsAug 02 23:00
XRevan86Andrew Lee was like a son of a passed away landlord that barged into the property and threw out everyone inside by the scruff of the neck.Aug 02 23:02
XRevan86… and the former landlord was an elected representative, and the inhabitants thought that this is how they handle the landlordship.Aug 02 23:04
XRevan86It is All Just a Big MisunderstandingAug 02 23:06
activelowdo not know why the database was wiped: 1) it was not necessary 2) it was not benefitial for anyone and 3) it was not legal to do so eitherAug 02 23:06
XRevan86activelow: Why wasn't that legal?Aug 02 23:06
activelowXRevan86: it isn't legal to swap the service and keep the same domain nameAug 02 23:07
XRevan86activelow: Why not?Aug 02 23:07
activelowXRevan86: similar to phishingAug 02 23:07
activelowphishing accounts with the freenode domain name (which is NOT floss) for (which isn't floss either) -> illegalAug 02 23:08
XRevan86activelow: I don't have a counterexample, because I don't know of any other service that made the same idiotic decision, but I'm pretty sure they can do that.Aug 02 23:08
XRevan86Freenode, Ltd. owns the domains, it does stuff with them, they have no obligations to the users.Aug 02 23:09
activelowit doesn't own it legitimately anymoreAug 02 23:09
activelowand wiping the database posed a risk formerly legitimate accounts were hijacked by impostersAug 02 23:10
XRevan86I'm not sure if leeching off Shells™ is legal.Aug 02 23:10
XRevan86activelow: How do ye define legitimacy? Is that a legal term?Aug 02 23:10
activelowto keep it brief: what rasengan did was violation of law in various jurisdictionsAug 02 23:11
XRevan86activelow: And ToS never made such assurances ever. In fact, accounts could expire.Aug 02 23:11
activelowmy account did NOT expireAug 02 23:11
activelowi used it and wasn't notifiedAug 02 23:11
XRevan86activelow: Just to give an example of an event that impostors could exploit.Aug 02 23:12
activelowit was registered correctly with email adress, cert fingerprint, didn't spam or violate any ToS eitherAug 02 23:12
XRevan86activelow: Can ye give an example of a law violated?Aug 02 23:12
activelowthe imposter issue was obvious, for the reason alone project channels were hijacked posing as any official while they weren't anymoreAug 02 23:13
activelowleave alone nicknames and accountsAug 02 23:13
XRevan86activelow: I get it, that's bollocks. But how is that illegal.Aug 02 23:13
activelowXRevan86: fraud, gdprAug 02 23:14
activelowi am surprise freenode domain name is pointing to online servers, and not taken down yetAug 02 23:14
activelowi mean, even if rasengan owns the domain name, having it pointed to servers is a severe breachAug 02 23:14
XRevan86activelow: is a question, yes. We don't know what legal entity owns 02 23:15
XRevan86activelow: But if freenode, Ltd. owns, then what?Aug 02 23:15
activelowXRevan86: answer, rasenganAug 02 23:15
XRevan86activelow: I'm not rasengan.Aug 02 23:16
activelow? rasengan himself told he owned freenode domain and irc.comAug 02 23:16
XRevan86activelow: He owns the freenode domains by being the President of freenode, Ltd., the sole owner and everything.Aug 02 23:17 wasn't in freenode, Ltd.'s ownership before, it was a rasengan's pet project.Aug 02 23:17
XRevan86but now I really don't know, maybe he transferred itAug 02 23:18
activelowthe moment when an account/nick appears on "freenode"/ which is NOT mine this is the next escalationAug 02 23:18
XRevan86activelow: I'm not a lawyer, so heck if I know. I'd think that there is more substance in that one commercial entity just provides services to another commercial entity for free just because the owners are brothers. Or in how every action of rasengan tanked the value of freenode, Ltd. (except that the )Aug 02 23:21
XRevan86thanks, cat, for sending an unfinished messageAug 02 23:21
MinceR:3Aug 02 23:22
XRevan86(except that the company was rudimentary, so I'm not sure if it ever had value)Aug 02 23:22
activelowclarifying upon facts doesn't require a lawyer degreeAug 02 23:22
XRevan86activelow: Whether what he did annoyed everyone is not a legal fact.Aug 02 23:23
activelowof cause it is, and fraud and phishing are illegalAug 02 23:24
XRevan86It's not fraud to break your toysAug 02 23:24
activelowinternational social network for developers isn't any toyAug 02 23:24
activelowwiping the database was insane, at least he could have asked for a confirmation email to verify accountsAug 02 23:24
XRevan86activelow: He had full access to the old database, and could exploit it in any way he wanted. Including integrating with's SSO.Aug 02 23:24
XRevan86Instead he dropped it and did it with a new database.Aug 02 23:25
XRevan86That's not fraud, that's just getting freenode from 60K to millions^W 13KAug 02 23:25
activelowwith the same consequence: freenode domain is illegally PHISHING for irc.comAug 02 23:25
XRevan86activelow: Ye literally don't know who owns that domain.Aug 02 23:26
activelowi mean, maybe anyone would want to document this, the timeline of events: 02 23:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nickname Registration - freenodeAug 02 23:26
activelowthis is how nicknames are supposed to be registered on *freenode* - good luck with thatAug 02 23:26
XRevan86although…Aug 02 23:26
XRevan86freenode, Ltd. uses Gandi for DNS, we know that, and that's also transparently displayed in "whois"Aug 02 23:27
XRevan86The God given title bearer uses 101domain, and that's still the registrar of irc.comAug 02 23:28
XRevan86So it's safe to say that the owner of is Andrew Lee himself.Aug 02 23:29
activelowquestion the evidence now? i mean try to register an account on "freenode" according to the official documentation available, and next try "freenode" web chatAug 02 23:30
XRevan86activelow: I mean the evidence that is not the same thing as freenode.Aug 02 23:30
*XRevan86 looks down the footer: ", LLC"Aug 02 23:31
activelowwhat rasengan MUST do is disabling freenode domain, freenode domain must NOT point to service, otherwise it is fraud, phishing, severe breach of GDPRAug 02 23:32
XRevan86activelow: Here's a question: so, LLC was a thing. So when freenode and "merged", did that mean that freenode, Ltd. and, LLC literally merged?Aug 02 23:33
activelowirelevant, i did NOT register with, and freenode was not merged either 02 23:34
activelownonetheless rasengang is phishing accounts with freenode domain nameAug 02 23:34
XRevan86activelow: How can he phish himself?Aug 02 23:35
activelowhe is phishing user/developer/project accountsAug 02 23:36
activelowXRevan86: i could do so with his own if he pleases, he MUST not with mine or any otherAug 02 23:36
XRevan86activelow: If what freenode, Ltd. did to freenode was legal, then he has every right.Aug 02 23:36
activelowXRevan86: he could do so with his own if he pleases, he MUST not with mine or any otherAug 02 23:37
XRevan86but we don't even know what was in that contract that Christel signedAug 02 23:37
activelowa contract does not terminate law, phising and fraud are illegalAug 02 23:37
XRevan86activelow: He had the old database, he doesn't need anything else to access it.Aug 02 23:38
activelowhis possession of the database probably was illegal alreadyAug 02 23:38
activelowwiping it certainly was, and now phishing accounts with freenode domain for certainly is, illegalAug 02 23:39
XRevan86activelow: That may be the case, it's hard to tell.Aug 02 23:40
activelowat least it is evident without doubtAug 02 23:40
XRevan86I mean the "his possession of the database probably was illegal already" thing.Aug 02 23:40
activelowwhat isn't entirely clear, and this raised suspicion about libera: the involvement of other staffAug 02 23:40
activelowXRevan86: do you think CEO of any ISP or social media may simply delete and transfer databases as he pleases?Aug 02 23:41
activelowimagine if your ISP decided to delete your account and terminate your phone number? without askingAug 02 23:41
XRevan86activelow: Depends on the contract?Aug 02 23:41
sears_hardwarei pay my isp :)Aug 02 23:41
XRevan86activelow: What does this have to do with Libera?Aug 02 23:42
activelowi do not believe their staff were not involved nor had benefit somehowAug 02 23:42
XRevan86They certainly didn't like that they had to give the database to a third party, and that was stated.Aug 02 23:43
activelowthey were not allowed to do so to begin withAug 02 23:43
XRevan86activelow: There's something about that contract that Christel had, that the public is not allowed to know.Aug 02 23:44
activelowin the end libera had lost almost 50% of their usersAug 02 23:45
XRevan86activelow: Could've been 100%Aug 02 23:46
XRevan86activelow: There isn't a scenario where IRC doesn't lose users.Aug 02 23:48
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XRevan861. they give in, freenode still loses users because Andrew is Andrew; 2. they ignore him, the domain is redirected, freenode is reset, loses users (and then Andrew tries to sue tomaw, et al.).Aug 02 23:50
XRevan863. they leave to a new domain with the database (either keeping it or starting fresh), freenode loses users, Andrew tries to sue tomaw, et al.Aug 02 23:52
activelowwhen tomaw tried to lock out Andrew since then i do not see any legal basis for tomaw being suedAug 02 23:52
XRevan86activelow: For trying to seize assets of freenode, Ltd.Aug 02 23:53
activelowand the real shitshow is what Andrew didAug 02 23:53
XRevan86activelow: Whether freenode is an asset of freenode, Ltd. is a big question mark. But we don't know what is in the contract again.Aug 02 23:53
activelowfreenode does not exist anymoreAug 02 23:54
activelowthe domain is only used for phishingAug 02 23:54
XRevan86activelow: Basically, no matter what Libera people could've done, Andrew would've wrecked the place regardless.Aug 02 23:54
activelowDEAD: 02 23:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nickname Registration - freenodeAug 02 23:54
XRevan86There was no way out of this that is radically better than what we have right now.Aug 02 23:54
XRevan86from the freenode staff point of view. Andrew had more options not the wreck the place of course.Aug 02 23:55
sears_hardwaremy problem is the crown prince disappearingAug 02 23:55
sears_hardwareafter you wreck the place you are supposed to rebuild it with your visionAug 02 23:55
sears_hardwarebut instead it's just left derelictAug 02 23:56
XRevan86Eh, I don't know what is keeping cybrNaut on freenode.Aug 02 23:56
MinceRwhat if this is his vision? :>Aug 02 23:56
sears_hardwarewe know his stated vision from the news posts on freenode.netAug 02 23:57
sears_hardwarebut he just kind of makes the post then disappears for 2 weeks and makes a new oneAug 02 23:57
XRevan86There are networks that do a better job without epic speeches.Aug 02 23:57
sears_hardwaresomeone attempting to defend the crown prince would find very little material to work withAug 02 23:57
XRevan86They don't have a HIH of Joseon with a perpetual friendship with the President of the United States, sure.Aug 02 23:58
XRevan86but apart from that freenode is redundant at best.Aug 02 23:59

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