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| schestowitz | [21:44] <superkuh> ...and it's gone. HN users got their panties in a bunch and flagged it until it was killed off the front page. | Aug 06 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | Not the first time, they always do this and not based on something factual, just 'feeling' | Aug 06 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The posts on TheLayoff that you linked to went up to about 4,000 views. | Aug 06 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were sitting at a few hundred. | Aug 06 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | From what they're describing, it sounds like a definite brain drain from the layoffs. | Aug 06 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Canonical is turning a profit these days. | Aug 06 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was very very slow to get Ubuntu off the ground and I think the whole Unity and Ubuntu Phone thing led them to some unprofitable years where they could have at least broken even. | Aug 06 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But a lot of Red Hat customers are getting fed up and switching to Ubuntu on everything. | Aug 06 00:08 |
| schestowitz | [00:06] <DaemonFC[m]> From what they're describing, it sounds like a definite brain drain from the layoffs. | Aug 06 00:08 |
| schestowitz | Some comment I saw on my post suggesting pulling a mariadb | Aug 06 00:09 |
| schestowitz | i.e. making "Blue Hat" | Aug 06 00:09 |
| schestowitz | then sucking the talent out | Aug 06 00:09 |
| schestowitz | making a RHEL clone | Aug 06 00:09 |
| schestowitz | made by the same opeople who made RHEL, create another Red Hat | Aug 06 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems like Canonical ironically gave up and adopted a business model much like Red Hat's, where they're not interested in making anything off the software, but the support contracts. I think that Red Hat is getting tired of the Fedora/RHEL schism and just hasn't openly made a move on Fedora yet. | Aug 06 00:09 |
| schestowitz | like mysql was replicated by the founder | Aug 06 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Driving away the community so that nobody does a hard fork of Fedora is probably the short term. | Aug 06 00:10 |
| schestowitz | thinking IBM is astroturfing | Aug 06 00:10 |
| schestowitz | bury brigades | Aug 06 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Right before the IBM takeover (iirc), Red Hat took over CentOS and they put out a PR blurb about how they were graciously being "sponsored". | Aug 06 00:10 |
| schestowitz | judging by what happened thrice when it made it into front page of HN | Aug 06 00:11 |
| schestowitz | they try to hide this | Aug 06 00:11 |
| schestowitz | but it's not working | Aug 06 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And of course, these Red Hat people will just take the majority of the seats on our Council. | Aug 06 00:11 |
| schestowitz | 150k views soon | Aug 06 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How does that work? :) | Aug 06 00:11 |
| schestowitz | sooner or later the word circulates among those with interest | Aug 06 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Eventually, they can just disband the CentOS project and encourage everyone using it to license up. | Aug 06 00:12 |
| schestowitz | and burying in one platform with ad hominem won't work | Aug 06 00:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You heard what that guy who said Whitehurst was using a Mac also said. | Aug 06 00:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were forced to abandon using open source solutions internally at Red Hat and farm it all out to Google products. | Aug 06 00:13 |
| schestowitz | yes, some | Aug 06 00:13 |
| schestowitz | ask Alex Oliva | Aug 06 00:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They also weakened Fedora's Free Software policies. | Aug 06 00:13 |
| schestowitz | the Red Hat GNU guy | Aug 06 00:13 |
| schestowitz | linux-libre dev | Aug 06 00:13 |
| schestowitz | he left | Aug 06 00:13 |
| schestowitz | said they were pushed to 'clown' computing stuff | Aug 06 00:13 |
| schestowitz | which was against his principles | Aug 06 00:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now as long as it's not illegal to redistribute it, the repo can be included in the Fedora spins. | Aug 06 00:14 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Announcement of LibreOffice 7.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140659#comment-26039 [https://pleroma.site/objects/df0b62d8-16d3-41de-994b-a7e136f9ea7f] | Aug 06 00:14 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | So after years of "We do not support the Nvidia driver and if you use it, you do so at your own risk." they yell at me for saying it's unsupportable and anyone who uses it does it at their own risk. Then one of them (logged in on a Mac) tells me they "have to support Nvidia because there's hardly any AMD/Intel graphics on a laptop out there and they all suck.". | Aug 06 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said something like "Oh, it's hardly that bad, and even if it is a tad slower to use AMD at least the driver isn't constantly crashing and causing data corruption.". | Aug 06 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I would accept a 10% slower graphics solution in exchange for a 90% reduction in bugs (easily, at least). | Aug 06 00:16 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140669 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dad0d2e5-b14e-4444-a16b-e2c2ad467060] | Aug 06 00:16 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Nvidia driver is not a Linux driver. It's their Windows blob and a layer of kernel glue. | Aug 06 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody is allowed to know how it works and that's the point. | Aug 06 00:17 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Review of Firefox “Fenix” for Android http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140668 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4fbf0303-739f-4798-9e03-5cbc04e9fae4] | Aug 06 00:18 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | They yelled at me for the "not a Linux driver" part, and I said, "Well, according to Nvidia themselves over 90% of it is just the same code as the Windows driver and the rest is a shim to hook it up to a Linux kernel. So I'm just stating what they've admitted.". | Aug 06 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only Linux-ey bits are a proprietary X11 driver and a "GPL Condom" module that provides an abstraction layer to make it talk to the kernel. | Aug 06 00:19 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Interview: RISC-V CTO Mark Himelstein http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140667 [https://pleroma.site/objects/304ab26e-9f7c-4b6c-bdc4-7d663eeb1fe0] | Aug 06 00:20 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Condom claims it's open source and then it communicates back and forth with the driver itself. | Aug 06 00:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody is interested in enforcing the GPL as it pertains to the Linux kernel. If they were, perhaps Nvidia would release an open source driver purely because they lost a court ruling somewhere and have to have a Linux product. | Aug 06 00:21 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/i4can3/red_hat_layoffs_by_ibm/ | Aug 06 00:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 06 00:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Red Hat layoffs by IBM : Fedora | Aug 06 00:22 | |
| schestowitz | Link is dead. | Aug 06 00:22 |
| schestowitz | level 2 | Aug 06 00:22 |
| schestowitz | 2 points | Aug 06 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Near as I can tell, they bought 3dfx out of bankruptcy simply so that nobody else would own the patents and compete with Nvidia. | Aug 06 00:22 |
| schestowitz | · | Aug 06 00:22 |
| schestowitz | 1 hour ago | Aug 06 00:22 |
| schestowitz | It's not dead, it just doesn't have TLS encryption. But it's also not mobile readible. So probably not a serious source. | Aug 06 00:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 06 00:22 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Aug 06 00:22 |
| schestowitz | I cannot get it to work 'small' on my mobile, so the article is wrong --- nice logic | Aug 06 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some of those patents were probably valid up until very recently. | Aug 06 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Typical dismissiveness | Aug 06 00:22 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/hackernews/comments/i4cmcd/ibm_is_already_gutting_red_hat_and_firing/ | Aug 06 00:23 |
| schestowitz | "There is a discussion on Hacker News, but feel free to comment here as well." | Aug 06 00:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | IBM Is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning : hackernews | Aug 06 00:23 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Very much like Microsoft would do, actually. Drive a competitor to the brink, buy them up for patents and stuff. | Aug 06 00:23 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Or like Nextcloud | Aug 06 00:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When I found out that Microsoft bought what was left of Netscape and then sold it to Facebook, I was....not surprised. | Aug 06 00:23 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/hackernews/comments/i4cmcd/ibm_is_already_gutting_red_hat_and_firing/ | Aug 06 00:24 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather focus on writing new articles than bother with those stupid sites and BS comments | Aug 06 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | AOL bought things, paid way too much for them, then had absolutely no idea what to do next. Then tore them apart and sold them for pennies. | Aug 06 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's where Microsoft is at. | Aug 06 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They got $3 million dollars for Winamp from Radionomy. They PAID $80 million for it. Remember that? | Aug 06 00:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And $80 million then was like $130 million now. | Aug 06 00:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So AOL was really really good at buying things, and then not knowing what to do with it, and then selling it to recoup 1-2% of what it paid. | Aug 06 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is a vulture, I know | Aug 06 00:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Netscape could have been more, honestly. Had AOL really pursued the joint venture with Sun, who knows? | Aug 06 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were the first company with decent web server software, but Microsoft did IIS and then went even further and shoved part of it into the Windows kernel. | Aug 06 00:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :) | Aug 06 00:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Netscape-Sun thing. What they were talking about.... They didn't have any idea that Smartphones would be a thing a decade later, but what they were really describing was a Chrome OS and an Android. | Aug 06 00:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of the ideas resurfaced at Google. | Aug 06 00:30 |
| schestowitz | phoronix dumped CF recently | Aug 06 00:30 |
| schestowitz | because of ads | Aug 06 00:30 |
| schestowitz | and... | Aug 06 00:30 |
| schestowitz | now it freezes for like 30 seconds each time I link to it | Aug 06 00:31 |
| schestowitz | I reported it to Michael | Aug 06 00:31 |
| schestowitz | he didn't know he was this dependent on a cdn | Aug 06 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, advertising is just a dead end. | Aug 06 00:31 |
| schestowitz | I hoep | Aug 06 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were flogging a dead horse in the dot com bubble. | Aug 06 00:31 |
| schestowitz | so I heard | Aug 06 00:31 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how Google is really doing | Aug 06 00:31 |
| schestowitz | I know it works for the state | Aug 06 00:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were saying web ads would be so profitable that they could even sponsor free dial up internet. | Aug 06 00:32 |
| schestowitz | maybe sponsored and propped up by it also | Aug 06 00:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They didn't figure on some shithead like me coming along and figuring all the ways you could crash the ad banner and ping their server now and then so it wouldn't disconnect you. | Aug 06 00:32 |
| XRevan86 | If it freezes then maybe it uses software or code that's not coping the load. | Aug 06 00:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I might have been part of the reason that didn't work out. | Aug 06 00:32 |
| XRevan86 | Hard to believe for such an old site to not be optimised for use without a magic pill. | Aug 06 00:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe it's for the better. Imagine if that had caught on and the web was worse than it is now, and ads that only ran on Windows would subsidize your internet bill. | Aug 06 00:33 |
| schestowitz | hmm... 890 new cases in the uk yesterday | Aug 06 00:33 |
| schestowitz | growing still,, over time | Aug 06 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Spain is at 3k a day | Aug 06 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I figured out how to get my hashed login credentials because I had to use the damned thing on Linux, where only Netzero had a client. | Aug 06 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Germany over 1k | Aug 06 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And it was written in JAVA! | Aug 06 00:34 |
| schestowitz | france 1.6 | Aug 06 00:34 |
| schestowitz | trumpland 1.3k... deaths, not cases | Aug 06 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well yeah. The let's defund NHS while paying people to go eat and cough on everyone strategy probably won't end well. | Aug 06 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But I agree, it's a perverse incentive that you're paying for, so get em. That's how these things get completely unsustainable. | Aug 06 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People look for how they can get away with paying less and taking more. | Aug 06 00:35 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: want to work on part 3 of Jones? | Aug 06 00:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Like the Free ISP. They had the idea that people who were so cheap they would NOT pay $15 a month for dial up were going to buy so many things from advertisers that they'd make money. | Aug 06 00:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Instead, they got me. | Aug 06 00:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The whole thing was obviously coming to an end because when you ran the banner, it would show 1-2 ads over and over usually. | Aug 06 00:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I remember one of them was for coffee. | Aug 06 00:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, uhhh, yeah. That's going to fund $15 a month worth of service to that user. Sitting there looking at one ad for coffee. | Aug 06 00:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If I want coffee, I'll go to Walmart and grab some Great Value Classic Roast. | Aug 06 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Instant, if you've got it! Big can. Lower unit price. | Aug 06 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When we economize, efficiency is multiplied. | Aug 06 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "DaemonFC: want to work on part "> yeah, what have you got? | Aug 06 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway, I have enough on Mandy's credit card to get like $1.30 in points from the next car repair tomorrow. And a $20 coupon. | Aug 06 00:39 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Geoffrey Knauth elected Free Software Foundation president; Odile Bénassy joins the board http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140670 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8696615a-9c15-4a04-9f1b-c8a859ffda34] | Aug 06 00:40 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I can grab the part myself for $90 and get sprayed with gasoline under the hot sun, or I can pay $20 more and have the shop do it. | Aug 06 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's a brainer. | Aug 06 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The new vacuum line isn't leaking, so now I've got another problem. | Aug 06 00:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's pulling in fuel vapor that shouldn't be in that line because the interior of the pressure regulator is beginning to crack. | Aug 06 00:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :/ | Aug 06 00:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That wasn't even the air leak that was tripping out the computer. That was just the first place they saw the evap smoke going, so the guy goes aha! and fixes it, I get the car back, light comes back... Go back to the shop. They smoke it again. It's a giant crack in the upper manifold. | Aug 06 00:43 |
| schestowitz | [00:38] <DaemonFC[m]> <schestowitz "DaemonFC: want to work on part "> yeah, what have you got? | Aug 06 00:43 |
| schestowitz | It is the longest one | Aug 06 00:43 |
| schestowitz | some pages are repetitions | Aug 06 00:43 |
| schestowitz | 1) need to make sure it's OK to publish | Aug 06 00:43 |
| schestowitz | 2) which pages are repeats | Aug 06 00:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Okay. Got a link to it? | Aug 06 00:44 |
| schestowitz | LOL https://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/On-NET/Packaging-and-deploying-NET-Core-for-Linux-Part-1 | Aug 06 00:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-channel9.msdn.com | Packaging and deploying .NET Core for Linux - Part 1 | On .NET | Channel 9 | Aug 06 00:44 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: yes, wait | Aug 06 00:45 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/14-22121-3.pdf | Aug 06 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Don't want to just dump it without checking that it all makes sense | Aug 06 00:45 |
| schestowitz | the repetition means some pages need not be turned into jpegs | Aug 06 00:46 |
| schestowitz | lol https://www.howtogeek.com/682509/mac-app-not-starting-heres-how-to-fix-it/ | Aug 06 00:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.howtogeek.com | Mac App Not Starting? Here’s How to Fix It | Aug 06 00:48 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140671 [https://pleroma.site/objects/83d08ad4-056e-4e24-9ef3-cc483fbd35e3] | Aug 06 00:50 | |
| akingu | It is probably a tactic to stay undetected. Isn't Windows Defender the one bundled on Windows though? | Aug 06 00:52 |
| akingu | (I didn't scrollolo) | Aug 06 00:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Now, you’ve got to work out whether it’s a problem with macOS, an incompatibility issue, or even a security threat." | Aug 06 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I love my Mac. | Aug 06 00:54 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Debian, Chris Lamb, NXIVM sex cult prosecution http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140672 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ad465262-5e1b-4bcb-a725-f27d76e141a0] | Aug 06 00:54 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apple thought of everything, so it just works. | Aug 06 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Thank goodness it's not Windows, or there could be malware. | Aug 06 00:55 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 06 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Pages 12-13 need more redacting. | Aug 06 00:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It describes the rape of a child in detail. | Aug 06 00:57 |
| schestowitz | is it illegal for police to pass that file to us | Aug 06 00:58 |
| schestowitz | I saw news sites that describe the Microsoft Peter case | Aug 06 00:58 |
| schestowitz | with similar wordings | Aug 06 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Also some articles about the Jones case, IIRC | Aug 06 00:59 |
| schestowitz | maybe with fewer details | Aug 06 01:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Looks like you could just start at page 30 of this PDF. | Aug 06 01:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The whole search warrant and application are past that in their entirety all over again. | Aug 06 01:01 |
| akingu | schestowitz: I saw a thread that had info about how those two used organization funds to travel to conferences together when they were dating. Interestingly the thread was locked and hidden, which I have never seen on Phoronix before or since | Aug 06 01:02 |
| akingu | using* | Aug 06 01:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This guy must have been accumulating for years if he had bankers boxes of VHS tapes. | Aug 06 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: why only after page 30? | Aug 06 01:06 |
| schestowitz | because it's template before? | Aug 06 01:06 |
| schestowitz | I suppose we can skip the template stuff for screenshots | Aug 06 01:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It looks like it repeats again from 47-70. | Aug 06 01:06 |
| schestowitz | I will use your findinds, may in fact blacken out what yoy noted | Aug 06 01:06 |
| schestowitz | yes, lots of repetition | Aug 06 01:07 |
| schestowitz | the original file will be published (in its entirety), but what I expose as jpeg needs to be family-friendly | Aug 06 01:07 |
| schestowitz | I have all 2,850 pages now | Aug 06 01:07 |
| schestowitz | so no need to play all diplomatic with spd | Aug 06 01:07 |
| schestowitz | we can release it, but reponsibly | Aug 06 01:08 |
| schestowitz | responsibly | Aug 06 01:08 |
| schestowitz | we still need to get to the bottom of the 'magichour' thing | Aug 06 01:08 |
| schestowitz | it may lead to place | Aug 06 01:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 71-72 seem to be unique. | Aug 06 01:08 |
| schestowitz | cheers | Aug 06 01:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The name itself just struck me wrong. | Aug 06 01:09 |
| schestowitz | I will get to it all soon, then I will show you how it is presented | Aug 06 01:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Couldn't say why. I'd just heard it before. | Aug 06 01:09 |
| schestowitz | the key thing is not to just dump the pdf but add some explanatory summary | Aug 06 01:10 |
| schestowitz | lots of people follow this series in techrights | Aug 06 01:10 |
| schestowitz | and then they do their research and get back to us with more | Aug 06 01:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft was trying to buy Nullsoft in 2013, apparently. | Aug 06 01:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Radionomy didn't have enough cash to hand to AOL, so AOL ended up acquiring 12.5% of Radionomy. | Aug 06 01:12 |
| MinceR | so microsuck already wanted to be AOL in 2013? :> | Aug 06 01:13 |
| akingu | schestowitz: " software is produced but have little option to work around it." should be a comma in front of the "but" in https://debian.community/debian-chris-lamb-nxivm-sex-cult-prosecution/ | Aug 06 01:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debian.community | Debian, Chris Lamb, NXIVM sex cult prosecution | Aug 06 01:13 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd say LinkedIn and Nokia were their worst acquisitions. | Aug 06 01:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't want to admit how badly the recession has hurt LinkedIn. | Aug 06 01:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's hard to imagine how LinkedIn revenue is "up" 10%, they fire 1,000 people, and the economy is down 33% by GDP and maybe more since the report. | Aug 06 01:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How can a "social network" for job applicants and hiring managers be making money when the economy is down 33%? | Aug 06 01:15 |
| akingu | Probably more userbase since unemployed people register profiles? | Aug 06 01:15 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Python Programming http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140673 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c3287e8d-947c-4bda-b663-949215b3b404] | Aug 06 01:15 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | They could also be doing "ad laundering". | Aug 06 01:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They are their own ad network. There's no telling where the money for the ads is coming from. Only they would know. | Aug 06 01:17 |
| akingu | There is no mention of FSFE or Debian in the link from the claim "use fronts like Debian and FSFE" in https://debian.community/debian-chris-lamb-nxivm-sex-cult-prosecution/ | Aug 06 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.logos.com | Aug 06 01:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Logos Bible Software | Aug 06 01:31 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Somehow this made it into the Top 25 apps for Wine, by votes. | Aug 06 01:31 |
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| schestowitz | [01:13] <akingu> schestowitz: " software is produced but have little option to work around it." should be a comma in front of the "but" in https://debian.community/debian-chris-lamb-nxivm-sex-cult-prosecution/ | Aug 06 01:34 |
| schestowitz | not my article though | Aug 06 01:35 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Forget Windows, I just installed Elementary OS on my Chromebook and it’s awesome http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140674 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fe4bb304-88d2-4bc9-983d-4263ee010825] | Aug 06 02:01 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Release Team to have retrospective meeting about openSUSE Leap 15.2 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140675 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5599fd80-5522-4909-9a8f-4a0cce94a6c9] | Aug 06 02:07 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140676 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c525de4c-882c-4ef5-919f-42ea97b157df] | Aug 06 02:09 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Intel’s Clear Linux Still Outperforming Other Distributions For Mid-2020 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140677 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5e5857c7-bae5-4ff7-8221-44b3ac0f7cbe] | Aug 06 02:17 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2020/08/05/car-prices-coronavirus-pandemic-new-trucks-suvs/3297869001/ | Aug 06 02:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.usatoday.com | Used car prices soaring as COVID-19 pandemic shakes up new car market | Aug 06 02:29 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: there are a lot of religion researching people out there. | Aug 06 02:30 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux App Summit Goes Online in November http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140678 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7190d7e2-790f-499b-8aa4-66e4e537a8ca] | Aug 06 02:34 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Open Hardware: Zephyr, Arduino and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140679 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0741ad43-c673-4b3b-bfb3-cf5ad638f34a] | Aug 06 02:37 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway, used car prices are up. | Aug 06 02:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It means my rolling vacuum leak was an investment opportunity! | Aug 06 02:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | (Because the opportunity cost of doing something else was higher.) | Aug 06 02:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/05/trillions-of-dollars-will-pour-into-market-post-virus-john-stoltzfus.html | Aug 06 02:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Trillions of dollars will pour into market post-virus: John Stoltzfus | Aug 06 02:46 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Time for another Clown Makeup meme. | Aug 06 02:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We're in for a rough patch. | Aug 06 02:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But don't worry. | Aug 06 02:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's trillions of dollars that people are hoarding. | Aug 06 02:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The economy will roar back as the virus is beaten. | Aug 06 02:47 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reuters.com/article/us-offshore-wealth-idUSBRE86L03U20120722 | Aug 06 02:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens - Reuters | Aug 06 02:47 | |
| schestowitz | it's a scam | Aug 06 02:47 |
| schestowitz | and we're on the receiving end of the abuse | Aug 06 02:47 |
| schestowitz | [02:29] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.usatoday.com | Used car prices soaring as COVID-19 pandemic shakes up new car market | Aug 06 02:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yep. | Aug 06 02:47 |
| schestowitz | This makes sense if | Aug 06 02:47 |
| schestowitz | people don't swap old cars for new | Aug 06 02:48 |
| schestowitz | and people look for used, not new | Aug 06 02:48 |
| schestowitz | you have a shortage of them | Aug 06 02:48 |
| schestowitz | or, as I thought, some sell them off to make money for rent | Aug 06 02:48 |
| schestowitz | not sure where the balance is | Aug 06 02:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People are looking for used because the banks aren't lending. | Aug 06 02:48 |
| schestowitz | right | Aug 06 02:48 |
| schestowitz | and so many are bought on loans tied to one's salary | Aug 06 02:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're in a holding pattern to see where this thing goes, and they're doing mass layoffs quietly in the mean time. | Aug 06 02:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're obviously not optimistic. They're closing millions of credit card accounts and lowering limits to the amount you currently owe. | Aug 06 02:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they're not willing to bet their own asses on a quick recovery because they know it's improbable. | Aug 06 02:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes. With wage freezes and mass layoffs, they don't want people maxing the cards out on the way to bankruptcy court. | Aug 06 02:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're doing exactly what I would do, but they talk out of both sides of their mouth on this. | Aug 06 02:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: For the economy to bounce back "quickly", and by quickly I mean sometime in the next 18 months, we'd need to either be a lot further into the Coronavirus pandemic than we think we are or a vaccine. | Aug 06 02:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The most optimistic projections by the Trump administration say the first doses will be out in January, and when have they ever told you something where it was better than what they said? | Aug 06 02:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So probably add 4-6 months onto that. | Aug 06 02:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The news is already starting to let the air out of the Trump Coronavirus Vaccine Hoax. | Aug 06 02:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're saying "May arrive later than January. Might need to keep getting the shot.". | Aug 06 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, well, change might to will. | Aug 06 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The pharma jerks are saying free vaccine doses for the duration of the "pandemic". | Aug 06 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You don't just develop a product and then give it all away. | Aug 06 02:54 |
| schestowitz | it takes many years to develop vaccines | Aug 06 02:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're banking on there being a Coronavirus Season indefinitely and parasiting off people and the government to pay for continual vaccination or else "The damned thing comes back every year and kills another 300,000 why not.". | Aug 06 02:56 |
| schestowitz | so next january means dodgy experiment | Aug 06 02:56 |
| schestowitz | but I suppose if you're 80 and vulnerable you might be willing to become a test lab rat | Aug 06 02:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We've been lucky enough to have sufficient cooperation with things like MMR that the state hasn't had to strap someone's ass down under threat of jail. | Aug 06 02:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But we may get there with the Coronavirus. | Aug 06 02:56 |
| schestowitz | brb | Aug 06 02:57 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Collabora’s Contributions to Linux Kernel 5.8 Were Their Biggest Yet http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140566#comment-26046 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7a2d68d5-0536-4302-9ef9-fa499a3c60d9] | Aug 06 02:59 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Gaming on Linux in 2020: Way Better Than You Think http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140680 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b951483d-98a4-4587-9469-4c3e34006243] | Aug 06 03:06 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: Destination Linux, FLOSS Weekly, CrowPi and Linux Headlinesh http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140681 [https://pleroma.site/objects/07066c22-35c5-47e9-a3d8-438b72ced7d9] | Aug 06 03:10 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: FSF Has Finally Elected A New President http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140670#comment-26048 [https://pleroma.site/objects/976f90c8-58fc-46c6-ab04-dfe6c11b3fc4] | Aug 06 03:13 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Statement from FSF’s new president, Geoffrey Knauth http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140670#comment-26049 “free software movement may have started with Richard Stallman’s passion and lifelong commitment, and we all are grateful” [https://pleroma.site/objects/ab979915-37ae-44f5-9d9b-35ae58a7ea96] | Aug 06 03:16 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: Mesa 20.1.5, Intel and AMD http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140682 [https://pleroma.site/objects/99935e48-bc18-4d00-9d64-66eae36c1431] | Aug 06 03:20 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Linux Plumbers Conference and Kernel Developments in METRICFS, FS-Cache, HWMON http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140683 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e04efc00-c919-47d1-86d5-fb1fd79fae69] | Aug 06 03:24 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Google puts South China Morning Post in my news feed. | Aug 06 03:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Communist Party propaganda. | Aug 06 03:27 |
| schestowitz | it was bought | Aug 06 03:27 |
| schestowitz | by jam ma | Aug 06 03:27 |
| schestowitz | used to be hk newspaper | Aug 06 03:27 |
| schestowitz | *jack ma | Aug 06 03:27 |
| schestowitz | Google in English puts faaaar more US gov. propaganda | Aug 06 03:27 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: can you reach out to koffler? | Aug 06 03:31 |
| schestowitz | he might know more about what happened | Aug 06 03:32 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Zoom Holes, New Patches and etcd Project Security Committee http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140684 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1cf922d4-f47c-49ed-8042-8a6eb8d49c1c] | Aug 06 03:33 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: https://www.tigen.org/kevin.kofler/ | Aug 06 03:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tigen.org | Kevin Kofler's Homepage | Aug 06 03:34 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | He has an email listed here. | Aug 06 03:34 |
| schestowitz | I was not a direct witness to the incident | Aug 06 03:34 |
| schestowitz | so cannot ask about it | Aug 06 03:34 |
| schestowitz | you can | Aug 06 03:34 |
| schestowitz | say techrights wishes to know | Aug 06 03:35 |
| schestowitz | and I would not rule out IBM involvement | Aug 06 03:35 |
| schestowitz | all RHT staff are now IBM staff | Aug 06 03:35 |
| schestowitz | maybe they remove dissent ahead of something | Aug 06 03:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/05/stock-market-today-private-payrolls-jobs-data-rises-at-slower-pace-than-expected.html | Aug 06 03:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Stock market today: Private payrolls jobs data rises at slower pace than expected | Aug 06 03:35 | |
| schestowitz | but you can say you saw what happened in IRC | Aug 06 03:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Really, really awful jobs report. | Aug 06 03:36 |
| schestowitz | cnbc is trash | Aug 06 03:36 |
| schestowitz | it's just US propaganda | Aug 06 03:36 |
| schestowitz | you complain about chinese-connected outlets | Aug 06 03:36 |
| schestowitz | as if you want a Wall Street monopoly on news in English | Aug 06 03:36 |
| schestowitz | those are faking unemployment figures | Aug 06 03:36 |
| schestowitz | to manufacture consent for the robber barons | Aug 06 03:36 |
| schestowitz | so people cannot know how bad things really are | Aug 06 03:37 |
| schestowitz | as that would lead to uprise or at least revolt | Aug 06 03:37 |
| schestowitz | "Stock market today" | Aug 06 03:37 |
| schestowitz | Wall Street mouthpiece | Aug 06 03:37 |
| schestowitz | not interested | Aug 06 03:37 |
| schestowitz | better get news at commondreams or something | Aug 06 03:37 |
| schestowitz | RMS can vouch for it also | Aug 06 03:37 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: another thing... | Aug 06 03:40 |
| schestowitz | after our article on red hat layoffs was read directly by so many (140k) and indirectly even more it would not help is I sent him an email | Aug 06 03:40 |
| schestowitz | as he might not wish to be associated with that | Aug 06 03:40 |
| schestowitz | would not help him get back in | Aug 06 03:40 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140685 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7060798a-c23f-43de-9bb7-e7d2120e1262] | Aug 06 03:45 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos and leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/140686 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b2db0f07-5d68-42ae-864f-7eb7a6590a06] | Aug 06 03:49 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 6/8/2020: FSF Has New Chief, LibreOffice 7.0, Linux App Summit Goes Online http://techrights.org/2020/08/05/fsf-has-new-chief/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/4a301335-7a6f-43ce-87a9-423537ea03be] | Aug 06 03:53 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: can you help us by taking screenshots of all the pages you deem relevant? | Aug 06 03:54 |
| schestowitz | I'd then stick them along with the PDF for easier reading | Aug 06 03:54 |
| schestowitz | going to get coffee, be back in a few... | Aug 06 03:55 |
| schestowitz | "Release: Search Warrant and Reports on Findings When Bill Gates' Engineer Arrested for Pedophilia" | Aug 06 04:08 |
| schestowitz | I think this best describes -- well maybe not best, but... -- the third part | Aug 06 04:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "f you know where the app comes from and you trust the download source, you shouldn’t be put off just because it’s unsigned. Specific types of apps, like file-sharing clients, aren’t eligible for Apple’s approval in the first place." | Aug 06 04:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you can kill with a chainsaw, shouldn't those be against the law? | Aug 06 04:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "macOS Catalina officially ditched support for 32-bit apps when it arrived in the fall of 2019. The decision to go pure 64-bit resulted in an all-round more efficient operating system, but disabled 32-bit apps" | Aug 06 04:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's nothing more efficient really about not having 32-bit application support. | Aug 06 04:10 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: they should | Aug 06 04:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Not every app flagged by XProtect is malware in the traditional sense. In particular, keygens and cracks used to pirate software are detected and blocked by XProtect, even if they pose no immediate threat to your system." | Aug 06 04:11 |
| schestowitz | but the empire is a law onto itself or whatever | Aug 06 04:11 |
| schestowitz | GAFAM are 5 among several more | Aug 06 04:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, antivirus software that goes and blocks anything else they don't like while it's at it, which can't be shut down. | Aug 06 04:12 |
| schestowitz | they're strategic for full-spectrum dominance | Aug 06 04:12 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-spectrum_dominance | Aug 06 04:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Full-spectrum dominance - Wikipedia | Aug 06 04:12 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: are you taking screenshots or should I? I have not started. | Aug 06 04:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Full pages? | Aug 06 04:13 |
| schestowitz | I think you are more familiar with where repetitions are | Aug 06 04:13 |
| schestowitz | yes, full pages | Aug 06 04:13 |
| schestowitz | in gimp, if you have it, you can open pdf | Aug 06 04:13 |
| schestowitz | it'll ask you for dimensions to be rendered into | Aug 06 04:13 |
| schestowitz | 500 px wide is enough | Aug 06 04:13 |
| schestowitz | or you could use sparkle or similar | Aug 06 04:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm looking at it in a Vivaldi tab | Aug 06 04:13 |
| schestowitz | spectable I mean | Aug 06 04:13 |
| schestowitz | *cle | Aug 06 04:14 |
| schestowitz | the full PDF will be included | Aug 06 04:14 |
| schestowitz | but we want to | Aug 06 04:14 |
| schestowitz | 1) show as much as possible | Aug 06 04:14 |
| schestowitz | 1) bar repetition | Aug 06 04:14 |
| schestowitz | 2) removing some faux pas | Aug 06 04:14 |
| schestowitz | like the parts that are maybe OK in the PDF but better not further illuminated | Aug 06 04:15 |
| schestowitz | I want full disclosure of what we have at the end, otherwise we'd be as guilty as those whom we accuse of stonewalling | Aug 06 04:15 |
| schestowitz | the hashed and filenames we won't release because there's no GOOD use to them | Aug 06 04:15 |
| *DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: 1.png (558KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ABUKjzmlMxxnDAxJaNEmMTzv > | Aug 06 04:15 | |
| schestowitz | *hashes | Aug 06 04:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's a sample. Is that good? | Aug 06 04:15 |
| schestowitz | yes | Aug 06 04:16 |
| schestowitz | I think it shows the police handled it reasonable well (IMHO) | Aug 06 04:16 |
| schestowitz | *bly | Aug 06 04:16 |
| schestowitz | (not sure if the court went far enough) | Aug 06 04:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Okay. I'll take a screenshot of the "disgusting pervert" stuff and you should just black out the parts that go into graphic detail. | Aug 06 04:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or I guess I could. | Aug 06 04:16 |
| schestowitz | and whether the SPD used that as a lead for other cases, e.g. Wong, Paine... | Aug 06 04:17 |
| schestowitz | those would be another set of cases for sure | Aug 06 04:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The judge narrowed the scope of the warrant. | Aug 06 04:17 |
| schestowitz | yes, I thought about that, BUT... | Aug 06 04:17 |
| schestowitz | if you blacken those, and they're still in the PDF, it'll look foolish | Aug 06 04:17 |
| schestowitz | like we don't know how to redact | Aug 06 04:17 |
| schestowitz | so maybe just skip that part, leave it out of screenshot | Aug 06 04:18 |
| schestowitz | it'll be in the PDF anyway, | Aug 06 04:18 |
| schestowitz | I'll add (the above screenshots are not complete and omit repetitions as well as unsavoury parts that are in the PDF) | Aug 06 04:18 |
| schestowitz | An extensive sample of the PDF's contents. We're reproducing as images the key parts from <a href="http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/14-22121-3.pdf">the original</a> <code>[PDF]</code> (the above screenshots are not complete as they omit repetitions as well as unsavoury parts that are in the PDF) | Aug 06 04:20 |
| schestowitz | Readers can finally see all the details about what was taken (portable drives, laptop, desktop etc.) and found when a search was executed at the home of Bill Gates' engineer while he was at Bill's house (where he worked regularly) | Aug 06 04:20 |
| schestowitz | ; as far as we are aware, the police never searched Bill's house | Aug 06 04:23 |
| schestowitz | ; as far as we are aware, the police never searched Bill's house and computers | Aug 06 04:24 |
| schestowitz | that sounds better and still correct | Aug 06 04:24 |
| schestowitz | as we don't know what his laptop and drive may have entered | Aug 06 04:24 |
| schestowitz | plugged into | Aug 06 04:24 |
| schestowitz | after the epstein revelations, which gates repeatedly lied about, we can rule out nothing | Aug 06 04:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think we need the back and forth emails about the children. | Aug 06 04:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm going to lop that off at "appeared to be in their mid to late teens". | Aug 06 04:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mid teens is obviously illegal to have videos and pictures of. | Aug 06 04:26 |
| schestowitz | yes | Aug 06 04:26 |
| schestowitz | you can skip that | Aug 06 04:26 |
| schestowitz | it's in the PDF | Aug 06 04:26 |
| schestowitz | no need to blacken it though, it would seem like dumb redaction fu | Aug 06 04:27 |
| schestowitz | this series was read by millions this yeat | Aug 06 04:27 |
| schestowitz | it has caused momentum to build up for #Arrest(Bill)Gates movement, or canceling his influence | Aug 06 04:27 |
| schestowitz | so we don't want to seem reckless and dumb | Aug 06 04:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Where to pick back up at then? | Aug 06 04:29 |
| schestowitz | maybe where it seems to no longer use words like "Blowjob" | Aug 06 04:30 |
| schestowitz | the pertinent instances matter less | Aug 06 04:30 |
| schestowitz | the process of busting him is more relevant | Aug 06 04:31 |
| schestowitz | esp. the details about what's found at his home | Aug 06 04:31 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: the latest article about Microsoft layoffs (Cortana) read 5.5k times, where near the 140k+ times of the Red Hat one | Aug 06 04:39 |
| schestowitz | I just grep log files before they perish, get deleted automatically to ensure privacy | Aug 06 04:40 |
| schestowitz | the idiots who try to discredit the report say stuff like, oh, look, the site doesn't have https, so it's wrong, don't look! | Aug 06 04:40 |
| schestowitz | this means they are unable to rebut on any /factual/ level and look for side channels | Aug 06 04:41 |
| kingoffrance | yeah might as well say its not gopher or usenet lol | Aug 06 04:42 |
| kingoffrance | clearly those are the only true established protocols | Aug 06 04:42 |
| kingoffrance | and http is just a fad | Aug 06 04:42 |
| schestowitz | well done, ryan | Aug 06 04:42 |
| schestowitz | they didn't refuse you on substance | Aug 06 04:42 |
| schestowitz | httpd is overrated too for a long of reasond | Aug 06 04:42 |
| schestowitz | it's just http | Aug 06 04:43 |
| schestowitz | with something around it | Aug 06 04:43 |
| schestowitz | tls layer | Aug 06 04:43 |
| schestowitz | overhyped and not effective, the tracking carries on in most sites that have https support | Aug 06 04:43 |
| schestowitz | it's something they slapped on after snowden leaks | Aug 06 04:43 |
| kingoffrance | ^^^ | Aug 06 04:43 |
| schestowitz | as if to say, ok, done, problem solved now | Aug 06 04:43 |
| kingoffrance | ^^^ no need for ipsec | Aug 06 04:43 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Aug 06 04:43 |
| kingoffrance | or anything "comprehensive" | Aug 06 04:43 |
| schestowitz | we still use ipsec here | Aug 06 04:43 |
| schestowitz | I see the lock icon in chrome | Aug 06 04:44 |
| schestowitz | so... | Aug 06 04:44 |
| schestowitz | it's OK | Aug 06 04:44 |
| schestowitz | it's... safe" | Aug 06 04:44 |
| schestowitz | it says "secure" | Aug 06 04:44 |
| schestowitz | Google says so | Aug 06 04:44 |
| kingoffrance | lol i dont know if its any good, i just prefer general solutions | Aug 06 04:44 |
| schestowitz | while giving NSA access to all my passwords | Aug 06 04:44 |
| kingoffrance | if you are truly "everything in the browser" maybe https is sufficient | Aug 06 04:44 |
| kingoffrance | but i dont do that, so i seek elsewhere | Aug 06 04:44 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: site note/thought: | Aug 06 04:46 |
| schestowitz | sometimes the cops WANT to send you this stuff | Aug 06 04:46 |
| schestowitz | as the PD itself is afraid of picking on the big boys | Aug 06 04:46 |
| schestowitz | but passing to the public some docs and let them do their research from there helps accountability | Aug 06 04:46 |
| schestowitz | at a level SPD is apprehensive to do itself or heads might roll | Aug 06 04:46 |
| *DaemonFC[m] posted a file: Jones.zip (11922KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/UMAGbArmZocqRDEwEfeDVSPe > | Aug 06 04:47 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: ^ | Aug 06 04:47 |
| schestowitz | cheers!! | Aug 06 04:47 |
| schestowitz | I'm doing the fourth PDF right now | Aug 06 04:47 |
| schestowitz | 14 pages | Aug 06 04:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "sometimes the cops WANT to send "> Yes, I told you before that the cops in Lake County are all over Grindr. | Aug 06 04:47 |
| schestowitz | for tomorrow's release | Aug 06 04:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Make sure they TELL YOU they are 18 before you agree to anything. | Aug 06 04:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That way it's in the log and if they try to do anything to you later, you can say "Well, they said the guy was 18.". | Aug 06 04:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: need to look for more on the "uncle" link | Aug 06 04:48 |
| schestowitz | they removed things there | Aug 06 04:48 |
| schestowitz | it might even link to another opened case | Aug 06 04:49 |
| schestowitz | and I support wong came under some sort of heat, wherever he is located | Aug 06 04:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I'm wondering who this David Wong guy is. | Aug 06 04:49 |
| schestowitz | weird, gimp is choking on this file a bit | Aug 06 04:51 |
| schestowitz | the fourth one | Aug 06 04:51 |
| schestowitz | David's Wang | Aug 06 04:52 |
| schestowitz | small enough for Rick | Aug 06 04:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | LOL | Aug 06 04:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's mean. | Aug 06 04:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Was it David Wang? | Aug 06 04:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't recall | Aug 06 04:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.mylife.com/david-wong/e945769130280 | Aug 06 04:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-David Wong (K), 52 - Seattle, WA Background Report at MyLife.com™ | Aug 06 04:55 | |
| schestowitz | OK, we not have all of installment 1 as JPEGs | Aug 06 04:55 |
| schestowitz | I will get part 3 of installment 1 published | Aug 06 04:55 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: wang means one's manhood | Aug 06 04:56 |
| schestowitz | I'm surprised you don't know that slang | Aug 06 04:56 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: you might want to foia SPD or check police records on him | Aug 06 04:56 |
| schestowitz | to see if they left him off the hook or opened up a case on him, too | Aug 06 04:57 |
| schestowitz | there was another person named, of a Seattle ISP, who was in a relationship with Ricky the Dicky | Aug 06 04:57 |
| schestowitz | those should all be leads | Aug 06 04:57 |
| schestowitz | I don't know if you can look up sex offenders' list in the state and how | Aug 06 04:57 |
| schestowitz | Apparently Rick is on none: http://techrights.org/2020/04/20/rick-allen-jones-finer-details/ | Aug 06 04:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guest Post: Finer Details About Rick Allen Jones, Bill Gates Employee Arrested for Trade of Child Exploitation Footage | Techrights | Aug 06 04:58 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: 22 files, correct? | Aug 06 05:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Aug 06 05:01 |
| schestowitz | I love how KDE Dolphin let's me rename files in bulk with a simple UI | Aug 06 05:01 |
| schestowitz | you highlight all the files, then rename-add preceding text | Aug 06 05:01 |
| schestowitz | I used to do that in the CLI | Aug 06 05:01 |
| schestowitz | almost there now | Aug 06 05:06 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/05/jones-search-warrant/ | Aug 06 05:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Release: Search Warrant and Reports on Findings When Bill Gates’ Engineer Arrested for Pedophilia | Techrights | Aug 06 05:08 | |
| schestowitz | See if it makes sense, DaemonFC[m] | Aug 06 05:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.apartments.com/miranda-apartments-tacoma-wa/7frf81x/ | Aug 06 05:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Miranda ApartmentsApartments - Tacoma, WA | Apartments.com | Aug 06 05:08 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | John lives here. | Aug 06 05:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 1302 S 7th St Apt C Tacoma, WA | Aug 06 05:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Looks like the place was falling apart and someone came in and fixed it up. | Aug 06 05:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He moved in April 17th. | Aug 06 05:10 |
| schestowitz | he was technicallt arrested, right? | Aug 06 05:10 |
| schestowitz | technically | Aug 06 05:11 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: is the English also ok? | Aug 06 05:14 |
| schestowitz | just need to be factually solid, 100% | Aug 06 05:15 |
| schestowitz | and no typos/grammatical mistakes | Aug 06 05:15 |
| schestowitz | as people would pick on them if they exist/ed | Aug 06 05:15 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: you wanna scan some of the hash stuff to see if you can find something of relevance? | Aug 06 05:16 |
| schestowitz | myself and another person could find none | Aug 06 05:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "technically"> Jones? | Aug 06 05:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, as soon as they read him his rights. | Aug 06 05:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They can use information they gather before they read them, but it's less likely to hold up. | Aug 06 05:20 |
| schestowitz | cheers | Aug 06 05:20 |
| schestowitz | added to http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique | Aug 06 05:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights | Aug 06 05:20 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's better to just say "I'm sorry, I don't talk to police officers.". | Aug 06 05:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: we have 3 people connected to him noww | Aug 06 05:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hand then your driver's license. | Aug 06 05:21 |
| schestowitz | other than his sister, she seems to have zero relevance | Aug 06 05:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they proceed to arrest you, don't fight it. | Aug 06 05:21 |
| schestowitz | he's stupid | Aug 06 05:21 |
| schestowitz | and a pervert | Aug 06 05:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Answering their questions means eventually they'll get something, or they'll get more. | Aug 06 05:21 |
| schestowitz | and for this he got a job at the mansion | Aug 06 05:21 |
| schestowitz | maybe he got another job | Aug 06 05:22 |
| schestowitz | but I don't want to say what kind (BJ) | Aug 06 05:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Did he go to prison? | Aug 06 05:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I looked up the name in their computer, but it didn't have any links. | Aug 06 05:22 |
| schestowitz | The last thign Trump and Gates need it smart people aroudn them | Aug 06 05:22 |
| schestowitz | "Oh, yeah, I know this image, BIll likes it!" | Aug 06 05:23 |
| schestowitz | They can deflect and blame | Aug 06 05:23 |
| schestowitz | even baselessly | Aug 06 05:23 |
| schestowitz | just to get the police off their track/scent | Aug 06 05:23 |
| schestowitz | he was reluctant to name Wong | Aug 06 05:23 |
| schestowitz | but then he realised they probably see his gmail account anyway | Aug 06 05:23 |
| schestowitz | based on what he sent and what they showed him | Aug 06 05:23 |
| schestowitz | he didn't yet know they had searched his house | Aug 06 05:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, not answering their questions is just.....they might already have something, but you don't know that, and just "confirming what they already know" is badly damaging too. | Aug 06 05:24 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: http://techrights.org/2020/08/05/jones-search-warrant/ | Aug 06 05:24 |
| schestowitz | That's the odd part | Aug 06 05:24 |
| schestowitz | see what judge ruled | Aug 06 05:24 |
| schestowitz | and what happened | Aug 06 05:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some people run. They'll get you, and then they'll hit you with resisting arrest / fleeing a police officer. | Aug 06 05:24 |
| schestowitz | the whole thing reeks | Aug 06 05:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Release: Search Warrant and Reports on Findings When Bill Gates’ Engineer Arrested for Pedophilia | Techrights | Aug 06 05:24 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then that's an entirely new charge for your lawyer to have to fight off. | Aug 06 05:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Prosecutors will charge whatever sticks. | Aug 06 05:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They could think they have a perfectly good child porn case, and it falls apart, but you ran when they tried to arrest you and they can prove that. | Aug 06 05:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know? | Aug 06 05:25 |
| schestowitz | one officer is usually young and fit enough o run | Aug 06 05:25 |
| schestowitz | even if the senior one is obese | Aug 06 05:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: My first ex, Michael, was 14 when he met some 34 year old teacher on the internet. | Aug 06 05:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He described the stuff they did while they were out in his truck. | Aug 06 05:26 |
| schestowitz | no need to say here | Aug 06 05:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they pull back into the trailer court (yeah), and his mom has the cops there waiting on both of them. | Aug 06 05:26 |
| schestowitz | anyway, the said teachers was sent to prison | Aug 06 05:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Coincidentally, the guy's name WAS Peter. | Aug 06 05:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So Michael jumps out and shouts "Peter, RUN!" and he spins the tires to get out of there and the cop pull in and trap him. | Aug 06 05:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the cops got him on inappropriate sexual contact with a minor under 16 and above 13 (it gets worse than that if they're under 13 obviously), and fleeing the police/resisting arrest. | Aug 06 05:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At the trial, the judge turned to Michael and says, "I know you know what you were doing with this guy, and if I see you back in my courtroom, I'm going to find you in contempt even if the state says you're the victim.". | Aug 06 05:29 |
| schestowitz | we have a 20-part series on FSF on the way | Aug 06 05:30 |
| schestowitz | being prepared | Aug 06 05:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I figure that John will be arrested for something sooner or later. | Aug 06 05:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He will be tricked by one of those Grindr cops or something. He is that dumb. | Aug 06 05:31 |
| schestowitz | I can report him to TSa | Aug 06 05:32 |
| schestowitz | provided you give me a go-ahead | Aug 06 05:32 |
| schestowitz | I can state upfront it's just a tip and won't say where it came from | Aug 06 05:33 |
| schestowitz | only where they want to look | Aug 06 05:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I have 31 hours left on a 12 month probation sentence. | Aug 06 05:37 |
| schestowitz | OK, thanks | Aug 06 05:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just let them gavel this shut and when the court computer says TERMINATE I'll talk. | Aug 06 05:37 |
| schestowitz | your call | Aug 06 05:37 |
| schestowitz | OK | Aug 06 05:37 |
| schestowitz | I think we have all 20 parts ready now | Aug 06 05:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I talked with my mom about it. | Aug 06 05:38 |
| schestowitz | I'll start with part 1 today | Aug 06 05:38 |
| schestowitz | the FSF has a new Pres. | Aug 06 05:38 |
| schestowitz | As of 8 hours ago | Aug 06 05:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She said she knew he was a weirdo and wondered why I stayed with him. | Aug 06 05:38 |
| schestowitz | he does look like a creep | Aug 06 05:38 |
| schestowitz | in the photo I saw of him | Aug 06 05:38 |
| schestowitz | Loo-Is | Aug 06 05:38 |
| schestowitz | Loos means toilet | Aug 06 05:38 |
| schestowitz | *Loo | Aug 06 05:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "He made 3/4ths of the money and I owned a car with him.". | Aug 06 05:38 |
| schestowitz | British slang/colloquial | Aug 06 05:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fuck the car. | Aug 06 05:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The car went away in the bankruptcy. It's his problem now. | Aug 06 05:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This Impala had to undergo major repairs, but it's running okay now. | Aug 06 05:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It should last 3-4 more years. | Aug 06 05:39 |
| schestowitz | anyway, enough gossp | Aug 06 05:39 |
| schestowitz | gossip | Aug 06 05:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's one of those "Why didn't I just wait until he was at work and move out?" things. I'll be asking myself that forever. | Aug 06 05:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I still lost in the end. I just lost a lot more than leaving some things and getting the hell out of there. | Aug 06 05:40 |
| schestowitz | I see | Aug 06 05:42 |
| schestowitz | but like I said, this isn't a lifestory channel | Aug 06 05:42 |
| schestowitz | so better to focus on aspects pertaining to digital | Aug 06 05:42 |
| schestowitz | like, what we wish to report him to TSA for | Aug 06 05:42 |
| schestowitz | many people read the IRC logs and want to get the geeky info, not diaries and journals like what I did today of "life of (b)ryan" | Aug 06 05:43 |
| schestowitz | it would just discourage reading in the long run | Aug 06 05:43 |
| schestowitz | Koffler looks like he's older than 37 | Aug 06 05:44 |
| schestowitz | or maybe the photo does not match the text | Aug 06 05:44 |
| schestowitz | I will mail him | Aug 06 05:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 06 05:46 |
| schestowitz | Hi Kevin, | Aug 06 05:46 |
| schestowitz | My name is Roy and I edit Techrights. I recently became aware of what had been done to you at the Fedora-KDE IRC channel and then the ticketing system. I have reasons to suspect the orders/instructions came from somewhere higher up the "pay grade". | Aug 06 05:46 |
| schestowitz | Would you be willing to discuss the matter? | Aug 06 05:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 06 05:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | http://techrights.org/2020/08/05/jones-search-warrant/ | Aug 06 05:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Release: Search Warrant and Reports on Findings When Bill Gates’ Engineer Arrested for Pedophilia | Techrights | Aug 06 05:47 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | For some reason, this is garbled in my browser. | Aug 06 05:47 |
| schestowitz | he seems like a nice bloke | Aug 06 05:48 |
| schestowitz | and modest, too | Aug 06 05:48 |
| schestowitz | garbled in what sense? | Aug 06 05:48 |
| schestowitz | Kevin's blog is neglected | Aug 06 05:51 |
| schestowitz | some entries 9 years agi | Aug 06 05:52 |
| schestowitz | then one 4 years ago | Aug 06 05:52 |
| schestowitz | and one last year | Aug 06 05:52 |
| schestowitz | that is it | Aug 06 05:52 |
| schestowitz | anyway, let's see if he responds | Aug 06 05:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: does it load up the page OK now? | Aug 06 05:52 |
| schestowitz | I can see no issue, I tried again, the html is rather simple and css also. Should work with browsers as old as 15 years | Aug 06 05:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Works now. | Aug 06 05:55 |
| schestowitz | cheers! | Aug 06 05:57 |
| schestowitz | tomorrow I'll publish part 4 | Aug 06 05:57 |
| schestowitz | I already did the screenshots of it | Aug 06 05:57 |
| schestowitz | do you want to see part of installment 2? | Aug 06 05:57 |
| schestowitz | wtf? is the redhat piece going 'viral' again? | Aug 06 05:59 |
| schestowitz | 2 reqs/sec | Aug 06 06:00 |
| schestowitz | I think this may be a record week for us, traffic-wise, if this pace continues. Largely because of the Red Hat piece. Almost 150k views now. | Aug 06 06:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 06 06:04 |
| schestowitz | Hi Dr. Roy, I'd like to join your LinkedIn network. | Aug 06 06:04 |
| schestowitz | Aug 06 06:04 | |
| schestowitz | Sohel Shekha | Aug 06 06:04 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft MVP | Digital Transformation & Technical Consultant | Architect | International Speaker | Aug 06 06:04 |
| schestowitz | Singapore | Aug 06 06:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 06 06:04 |
| schestowitz | WTF would a Microsofter I never heard of try to connect to my obsolete and unused account, which predates by far Microsoft | Aug 06 06:04 |
| schestowitz | 2006 IIRC is when I opened it | Aug 06 06:04 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They changed the I-765 for Mandy's work permit. | Aug 06 06:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I either have to get this postmarked by August 25th or fill out the new form. | Aug 06 06:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm trying to see what changed. | Aug 06 06:08 |
| schestowitz | no idea what those codes are | Aug 06 06:10 |
| schestowitz | get him a license to golf as "work", like the Orange One | Aug 06 06:10 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/18722811 | Aug 06 06:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The Opposition Division of the EPO revoked the entire European divisional patent EP 2 425 821 applying the mentioned “gold standard” test." https://www.walderwyss.com/user_assets/publications/Swiss-IP-News_No-4_2020_Part-3_Swiss-Federal-Supremce-Court.pdf #epo #fakepatents | Aug 06 06:31 | |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: WordPress 5.5 is out in a few days. It might be a change to move from LTS to something newer on a new container for WordPress. | Aug 06 06:42 |
| schestowitz | Might also be a good chance to isolate the CMS of the main site from the rest | Aug 06 06:43 |
| Ariadne | I don't have time this week but maybe next week | Aug 06 06:43 |
| schestowitz | cool! | Aug 06 06:43 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: our article about red hat got 150k views | Aug 06 06:43 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, they're the main rival of Alpine | Aug 06 06:43 |
| schestowitz | the responses pick us for not having working tls/ssl | Aug 06 06:44 |
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| Ariadne | I would say ubuntu is mainly | Aug 06 06:53 |
| kingoffrance | i dunno, i wonder if https everywhere makes ddos easier insofaras servers would have more work to do | Aug 06 07:01 |
| kingoffrance | s/ddos/[d]dos/ | Aug 06 07:04 |
| oiaohm | kingoffrance: https also makes the client to make a connection have to give more ID information. | Aug 06 07:04 |
| oiaohm | So its kind of double sided. | Aug 06 07:04 |
| oiaohm | kingoffrance: think about if you have like 5 different users coming out of a tor node and only one is the ddos split how are you going to sort that with http. Https where each user has setup own encrypted tunnel individual dropping is now possible. | Aug 06 07:10 |
| oiaohm | So https gives some ddos controls you would not have otherwise. | Aug 06 07:11 |
| kingoffrance | sure "more work to do" i mean cpu (or maybe they have hw) | Aug 06 07:12 |
| oiaohm | Remember a DDOS objective is that there attack stops you from providing resources to users. | Aug 06 07:13 |
| oiaohm | https encrypted connection that is already been open could remain letting that user in. | Aug 06 07:14 |
| oiaohm | Even that you are dropping extra requests to open connections you don't have the cpu to process right now. | Aug 06 07:14 |
| oiaohm | http you don't have the means to sort out who is existing user already allowed in and new party wanting in/possible ddos pest. | Aug 06 07:15 |
| oiaohm | Yes the ssl processing of https does cause extra cpu load. But the ssl connection is also providing extra information to split out the site users. | Aug 06 07:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I sent everything off to FedEx to print. Now all I should need to do is pick it up and toss it in the mail to USCIS in Chicago with a money order. | Aug 06 07:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bastards are changing the form on August 25th and if it isn't postmarked by then they want the new form. | Aug 06 07:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're making small changes. I looked at the new form and can't tell what changed. | Aug 06 07:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Think they're doing things to catch people off guard to be more difficult. | Aug 06 07:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Let's Encrypt | Aug 06 07:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not sure why they are mad about you just having plain http support. | Aug 06 07:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not like you're a bank. | Aug 06 07:37 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: good luck! | Aug 06 08:05 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: aka "Debian with a Corporation" | Aug 06 08:09 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: do you personally know the new FSF Pres? | Aug 06 08:12 |
| *schestowitz only saw some old blog posts of his over the years | Aug 06 08:12 | |
| Ariadne | not personally. I know he is one of the GNUstep devs | Aug 06 08:19 |
| Ariadne | historically he has been skeptical of some of the FSF campaigns | Aug 06 08:19 |
| Ariadne | so may be an improvement | Aug 06 08:20 |
| Ariadne | kingoffrance: most server CPUs have cryptographic accelerators now | Aug 06 08:29 |
| Ariadne | the techrights server is no exception there | Aug 06 08:29 |
| kingoffrance | yeah, i just didnt know how much sw uses that | Aug 06 08:30 |
| kingoffrance | possibly they wanted ssl everywhere for a long time, that was one thing that made it easier | Aug 06 08:30 |
| Ariadne | openssl will use it. libressl won't. | Aug 06 08:31 |
| Ariadne | anyway I think FSF needs to change substantively | Aug 06 08:31 |
| kingoffrance | even like old i810 mb had rng stuff, but i dont think anyone used it http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/Documentation/i810_rng.txt?v=linux-2.4.22 | Aug 06 08:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fxr.watson.org: linux-2.4.22 sys/Documentation/i810_rng.txt | Aug 06 08:32 | |
| kingoffrance | it was "there" though | Aug 06 08:32 |
| Ariadne | we have depended on copyleft to encourage software freedom for a very long time | Aug 06 08:32 |
| Ariadne | but really software freedom is a cultural issue | Aug 06 08:32 |
| Ariadne | I should write a blog outlining this | Aug 06 08:33 |
| Ariadne | copyleft is no longer attractive to me as a strategy for encouraging software freedom | Aug 06 08:33 |
| Ariadne | between malicious compliance and corporate corruption of copyleft to enforce monopolistic practice | Aug 06 08:34 |
| Ariadne | I just don't think that's the best path anymore | Aug 06 08:34 |
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| Ariadne | instead i think we need to inspire the next generation of developers to consider software freedom the ideal scenario | Aug 06 08:35 |
| Ariadne | at $dayjob we are going to have to write an alternative to coreutils | Aug 06 08:36 |
| Ariadne | and customers are scared to use BusyBox because of what moglen did | Aug 06 08:36 |
| Ariadne | over zealous GPL enforcement has done more harm than good | Aug 06 08:37 |
| Ariadne | the FSF vs Cisco-Linksys action was a great day for VxWorks | Aug 06 08:37 |
| schestowitz | the vxworks company adopted Linux | Aug 06 08:38 |
| Ariadne | yes ultimately | Aug 06 08:38 |
| schestowitz | many embedded companies with their proprietary systems adopt Linux | Aug 06 08:38 |
| schestowitz | windriver | Aug 06 08:38 |
| schestowitz | and they brag about it | Aug 06 08:38 |
| schestowitz | LF is a graveyard of projects | Aug 06 08:38 |
| schestowitz | you compared it to asf | Aug 06 08:38 |
| Ariadne | my point is | Aug 06 08:38 |
| schestowitz | which seems to make sense given recent LF additions | Aug 06 08:38 |
| schestowitz | it's just little but a marketing outfit | Aug 06 08:39 |
| schestowitz | not for spying, too | Aug 06 08:39 |
| schestowitz | *now | Aug 06 08:39 |
| Ariadne | the way to ensure software freedom is sustained moving forward | Aug 06 08:39 |
| Ariadne | is to make it desirable | Aug 06 08:39 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I agree copyleft is not enough | Aug 06 08:39 |
| Ariadne | MongoDB abuse of AGPL is another example | Aug 06 08:39 |
| schestowitz | which is why fsf fell so far behind | Aug 06 08:40 |
| schestowitz | agpl also isn't enough | Aug 06 08:40 |
| Ariadne | I think copyleft is not really the solution | Aug 06 08:40 |
| schestowitz | 4 freedom idol worship | Aug 06 08:40 |
| Ariadne | it has to be cultural | Aug 06 08:40 |
| schestowitz | even the us constitution needed amendments | Aug 06 08:40 |
| schestowitz | yes, partly | Aug 06 08:40 |
| Ariadne | copyleft was a good strategy for 20th century | Aug 06 08:40 |
| schestowitz | like pleroma work | Aug 06 08:40 |
| schestowitz | dealing with centraliation for network effect | Aug 06 08:40 |
| Ariadne | but now we need to think about the ecosystem at large | Aug 06 08:41 |
| schestowitz | gpl does nothing to really tackle those issues | Aug 06 08:41 |
| Ariadne | because copyleft can and is coopted | Aug 06 08:41 |
| schestowitz | "econsystem" | Aug 06 08:41 |
| schestowitz | RMS favourite term | Aug 06 08:41 |
| schestowitz | fsf at times lost sight of the threats, the newer ones | Aug 06 08:42 |
| Ariadne | GPLv3 killed GPL in a lot of ways because of fragmentation and GPLv2 incompatibility | Aug 06 08:42 |
| schestowitz | lobbying by monopolists contributed to it | Aug 06 08:43 |
| Ariadne | and that's been the problem of FSF, they are good at licensing | Aug 06 08:43 |
| schestowitz | black duck, microsoft etc. | Aug 06 08:43 |
| schestowitz | they attacked gpl for ages | Aug 06 08:43 |
| Ariadne | yes I agree | Aug 06 08:43 |
| schestowitz | now with github | Aug 06 08:43 |
| schestowitz | another attack on gpl | Aug 06 08:43 |
| schestowitz | and also attack on decentralised nature of dev | Aug 06 08:43 |
| schestowitz | haha | Aug 06 08:44 |
| Ariadne | I don't agree that GitHub is an attack on gpl but the centralization is problematic | Aug 06 08:44 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft "found the cure for cancer" | Aug 06 08:44 |
| Ariadne | we had this problem with sourceforge | Aug 06 08:44 |
| Ariadne | and it's frustrating | Aug 06 08:44 |
| Ariadne | because I wind up parking my projects on GitHub | Aug 06 08:44 |
| Ariadne | because that is where the eyeballs are | Aug 06 08:45 |
| scientes | it is | Aug 06 08:45 |
| schestowitz | jeepers creepers | Aug 06 08:45 |
| Ariadne | I don't support all software being in one service though regardless of who owns it | Aug 06 08:45 |
| Ariadne | we've seen too many of these monolithic forges shut down | Aug 06 08:45 |
| Ariadne | sourceforge, Google Code, berlios, etc | Aug 06 08:46 |
| schestowitz | letsencrypt with certs | Aug 06 08:46 |
| Ariadne | LE is concerning yes | Aug 06 08:46 |
| schestowitz | did you read about their incident? | Aug 06 08:46 |
| Ariadne | if an attacker gained access to LE systems it could be very bad | Aug 06 08:46 |
| schestowitz | they brushed it under a rug | Aug 06 08:46 |
| scientes | microsoft's goal is to keep its cash cows running indefinetely | Aug 06 08:46 |
| schestowitz | nobody noticed | Aug 06 08:46 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/03/04/lets-ask-lets-encrypt/ | Aug 06 08:47 |
| scientes | but they are not much of a threat | Aug 06 08:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Urges Readers to Ask the Linux Foundation’s Let’s Encrypt (Backed by Companies That Give the NSA Back Doors) Some Hard But Legitimate Questions | Techrights | Aug 06 08:47 | |
| Ariadne | scientes: that is every company ever under capitalism | Aug 06 08:47 |
| schestowitz | never answered any question, eirher | Aug 06 08:47 |
| scientes | I honestly look at amazon's cloud as a product for idiots | Aug 06 08:47 |
| scientes | the prices are rediculous | Aug 06 08:47 |
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| Ariadne | some pricing yes | Aug 06 08:47 |
| Ariadne | AWS lightsail is cheap | Aug 06 08:48 |
| schestowitz | it adds up | Aug 06 08:48 |
| scientes | you use the hardware for more than a month and it is cheaper to just buy it | Aug 06 08:48 |
| schestowitz | "free samples" | Aug 06 08:48 |
| Ariadne | I just wish they would offer ARM | Aug 06 08:48 |
| schestowitz | for 'charities' | Aug 06 08:48 |
| scientes | and they get free electricity | Aug 06 08:48 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/10/the-bezos-leaning-ploy/ | Aug 06 08:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | AWS is Not GNU/Linux and AWS Certification is a Bezos-Leaning Ploy That Rewards People for Memorising Proprietary Interfaces (Vendor Lock-in) | Techrights | Aug 06 08:48 | |
| Ariadne | anyway | Aug 06 08:48 |
| schestowitz | Amazon helps ICE, CIA (contract), police, Pentagon | Aug 06 08:49 |
| schestowitz | so they might as well coverage postage and power bills, pass black budget | Aug 06 08:49 |
| scientes | they just move the move around, scratching each other's backs | Aug 06 08:49 |
| scientes | that is the entire us economy | Aug 06 08:49 |
| schestowitz | 27 trillion debt | Aug 06 08:49 |
| schestowitz | and gdp fell 33% | Aug 06 08:49 |
| scientes | over-paying for everything | Aug 06 08:49 |
| schestowitz | in a few months | Aug 06 08:49 |
| Ariadne | point is we need to make people care about software freedom | Aug 06 08:49 |
| scientes | and the gdp is still fake | Aug 06 08:49 |
| schestowitz | US will become Japan | Aug 06 08:50 |
| Ariadne | and not even just software freedom but also right to repair | Aug 06 08:50 |
| schestowitz | last I checked japan gdp was 40% its national debt | Aug 06 08:50 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: it's an extension of it | Aug 06 08:50 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: covereged in series I work on at this moment | Aug 06 08:50 |
| schestowitz | it's 20 chapters | Aug 06 08:50 |
| schestowitz | chapter 1 to come out today | Aug 06 08:50 |
| Ariadne | oh yes, the Trump virus will kill this economy entirely | Aug 06 08:50 |
| Ariadne | and a ton of people to boot | Aug 06 08:51 |
| schestowitz | but BIG | Aug 06 08:51 |
| schestowitz | Biggest | Aug 06 08:51 |
| schestowitz | boat show Trump(R) | Aug 06 08:51 |
| Ariadne | the death toll gonna be big | Aug 06 08:51 |
| schestowitz | see the latest | Aug 06 08:51 |
| Ariadne | yuge as he says | Aug 06 08:51 |
| schestowitz | on syptoms | Aug 06 08:51 |
| Ariadne | yeah now your hair falls out | Aug 06 08:51 |
| Ariadne | if you get this thing | Aug 06 08:51 |
| schestowitz | 08:31] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): ● NEWS ● #YLE #Health ☞ #Finland to start giving boys #HPV #vaccine https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finland_to_start_giving_boys_hpv_vaccine/11478401 [https://pleroma.site/objects/de455743-666c-4f14-b900-f13e2505937e] | Aug 06 08:52 |
| Ariadne | or it can | Aug 06 08:52 |
| schestowitz | [08:32] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): ● NEWS ● #NBCNews #Health ☞ #COVI-19 and children: Doctors see link between virus and neurological side effects https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-19-children-doctors-see-link-between-virus-neurological-side-n1235501 [https://pleroma.site/objects/df19fe7b-a7ba-47c5-97e0-7531ffa13fcd] | Aug 06 08:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Finland to start giving boys HPV vaccine | Yle Uutiset | yle.fi | Aug 06 08:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Aug 06 08:52 | |
| schestowitz | [08:34] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): ● NEWS ● #Bloomberg #Health ☞ #Twitter , #Facebook Block #Trump Video, Citing Covid Misinformation https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-06/twitter-blocks-trump-campaign-account-over-covid-misinformation [https://pleroma.site/objects/6dfa4568-93a5-4569-93c2-f19a47ed4cdb] | Aug 06 08:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | COVID-19 and children: Doctors see link between virus and neurological side effects | Aug 06 08:52 | |
| schestowitz | [08:36] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): ● NEWS ● #TheHill #Health ☞ #Facebook removes #Trump post, citing false #COVID19 info https://thehill.com/policy/technology/510777-facebook-removes-post-from-trumps-page-it-said-featured-false-claims-about [https://pleroma.site/objects/5917dbc5-76ca-4ba7-8577-6da73bef217b] | Aug 06 08:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Aug 06 08:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? | Aug 06 08:52 | |
| schestowitz | [08:39] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): ● NEWS ● #Variety #Health ☞ #Facebook , #Twitter Pull Down Trump Videos Claiming Kids Are ‘Immune’ From #COVID19 https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/facebook-deletes-trump-post-claiming-kids-are-immune-from-covid-19-1234726916/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/4800f040-c9f0-4e32-8db1-a278000192c7] | Aug 06 08:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Aug 06 08:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook removes Trump post, citing false COVID-19 info | TheHill | Aug 06 08:52 | |
| schestowitz | [08:39] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): ● NEWS ● #NBCNews #Health ☞ #Facebook removes #Trump post over #coronavirus misinformation https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/facebook-removes-trump-post-over-coronavirus-information-n1235950 [https://pleroma.site/objects/48340757-42dc-4c93-b68a-14f5644f2709] | Aug 06 08:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Aug 06 08:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook, Twitter Remove Trump Posts Saying Kids Immune From COVID - Variety | Aug 06 08:52 | |
| schestowitz | [08:42] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): ● NEWS ● #HollywoodReporter #Health ☞ #Facebook , Citing Virus Misinformation, Deletes #Trump Post https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/facebook-citing-virus-misinformation-deletes-trump-post-1306206 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a3919658-68ae-4871-bf8d-af4d94f47133] | Aug 06 08:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Aug 06 08:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Facebook removes Trump post over coronavirus misinformation | Aug 06 08:52 | |
| schestowitz | [08:44] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): Microsoft "found the cure for cancer"; what it called the GPL... [https://pleroma.site/objects/7203bebb-9185-4f13-92dd-6acf40a7855b] | Aug 06 08:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Aug 06 08:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hollywoodreporter.com | Facebook, Citing Virus Misinformation, Deletes Trump Post | Hollywood Reporter | Aug 06 08:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Aug 06 08:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Aug 06 08:52 | |
| schestowitz | idiot | Aug 06 08:52 |
| schestowitz | he's ruining them while they're young | Aug 06 08:52 |
| schestowitz | I guess GOP making kids uneducated is a longstanding longterm strategy | Aug 06 08:52 |
| Ariadne | yeah I think we are going to see disability claims for covid | Aug 06 08:52 |
| Ariadne | until next century | Aug 06 08:52 |
| schestowitz | and passing gen z to Microsoft as a tiktok 'parcel' | Aug 06 08:52 |
| schestowitz | brainwash can commence in 45 days | Aug 06 08:53 |
| schestowitz | with qanon lecturing them | Aug 06 08:53 |
| Ariadne | yeah right | Aug 06 08:53 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: pilhealth will collapse | Aug 06 08:53 |
| schestowitz | in 2022 | Aug 06 08:53 |
| schestowitz | they cannot keep up with payments and already cut it to half | Aug 06 08:53 |
| Ariadne | Microsoft will just shut down tiktok | Aug 06 08:53 |
| Ariadne | because they discover it makes no money | Aug 06 08:53 |
| Ariadne | like they did with mixer | Aug 06 08:53 |
| schestowitz | it's about control | Aug 06 08:53 |
| schestowitz | which is worth them money | Aug 06 08:54 |
| schestowitz | like github | Aug 06 08:54 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Aug 06 08:54 |
| schestowitz | do you know how much per quarter it loses? | Aug 06 08:54 |
| Ariadne | I feel like bill gates and Trump aren't pals | Aug 06 08:54 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft mixes it with another reporting unit to hide the losses and their extent of the negative there | Aug 06 08:54 |
| schestowitz | it measures "goodwill" as value | Aug 06 08:54 |
| schestowitz | meaning "lock-in" | Aug 06 08:54 |
| Ariadne | yeah | Aug 06 08:54 |
| schestowitz | feels | Aug 06 08:54 |
| Ariadne | they all do that when they lose money | Aug 06 08:54 |
| schestowitz | he said he's support Trump is Liz Warren and others are picked by Biden | Aug 06 08:55 |
| Ariadne | it's how you spin the fuckup to investors | Aug 06 08:55 |
| schestowitz | uber | Aug 06 08:55 |
| schestowitz | apparently netflix also | Aug 06 08:55 |
| schestowitz | I heard they fake success | Aug 06 08:55 |
| Ariadne | see also Verizon and Oath | Aug 06 08:55 |
| schestowitz | but cannot corroborate with public sources | Aug 06 08:55 |
| Ariadne | when they discovered nobody gives a shit about yahoo | Aug 06 08:55 |
| Ariadne | they said | Aug 06 08:55 |
| schestowitz | a lot of the economy is like that | Aug 06 08:55 |
| Ariadne | 4.6 billion goodwill value | Aug 06 08:55 |
| schestowitz | apple is SAID to be worth 1.7 TriLLION LOL! | Aug 06 08:56 |
| schestowitz | Amid pandemic | Aug 06 08:56 |
| schestowitz | because... APPLE! | Aug 06 08:56 |
| Ariadne | and then they had to take 4.4 hit | Aug 06 08:56 |
| schestowitz | Nokia | Aug 06 08:56 |
| schestowitz | caused Microsoft to PUBLICLY report losses | Aug 06 08:56 |
| Ariadne | oh yeah nokia | Aug 06 08:56 |
| Ariadne | was completely fucked | Aug 06 08:56 |
| Ariadne | financially | Aug 06 08:56 |
| Ariadne | I have no idea why MS bought them | Aug 06 08:57 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft, the world’s most valuable company, declared a profit of $4.5 billion in 1998; when the cost of options awarded that year, plus the change in the value of outstanding options, is deducted, the firm made a loss of $18 billion, according to Smithers." The Economist, 1999 | Aug 06 08:57 |
| Ariadne | was a stupid move from all possible business angles | Aug 06 08:57 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure bill has wealth | Aug 06 08:57 |
| schestowitz | but billness and other suck the wealth out of collapsing companies | Aug 06 08:57 |
| schestowitz | nothing new about this operandi | Aug 06 08:57 |
| Ariadne | Bill's wealth is nothing compared to bezos | Aug 06 08:57 |
| schestowitz | the companies become their shell games | Aug 06 08:57 |
| schestowitz | bezos has the momentum now | Aug 06 08:58 |
| Ariadne | although Nokia networks | Aug 06 08:58 |
| Ariadne | is doing well | Aug 06 08:58 |
| schestowitz | right place, right time, wife also had connections | Aug 06 08:58 |
| schestowitz | her dad, the hedge funds etc. | Aug 06 08:58 |
| Ariadne | I mean with 5g rollout | Aug 06 08:58 |
| schestowitz | they had the momentum behind them, hard to compete with | Aug 06 08:58 |
| schestowitz | wait till people find out 5g was all/mostly hype | Aug 06 08:58 |
| schestowitz | and that working on the go is not productive | Aug 06 08:58 |
| schestowitz | and now chic, either | Aug 06 08:59 |
| schestowitz | *not | Aug 06 08:59 |
| Ariadne | yeah Verizon says 5g is huge | Aug 06 08:59 |
| Ariadne | but | Aug 06 08:59 |
| schestowitz | YUGE | Aug 06 08:59 |
| Ariadne | it's only available | Aug 06 08:59 |
| Ariadne | in like 2 neighborhoods in denver | Aug 06 08:59 |
| schestowitz | so they can stream like 4k | Aug 06 08:59 |
| Ariadne | so that's pretty worthless | Aug 06 08:59 |
| schestowitz | on a 1080p screen | Aug 06 08:59 |
| Ariadne | you can stream 4k on LTE anyway | Aug 06 08:59 |
| schestowitz | of a phone | Aug 06 08:59 |
| schestowitz | lol | Aug 06 08:59 |
| schestowitz | 4k ona phone | Aug 06 08:59 |
| schestowitz | "so crisp you can zoom on the the freckle, Ma! | Aug 06 09:00 |
| Ariadne | Denver is millions of people metropolis | Aug 06 09:00 |
| schestowitz | *zoom in on | Aug 06 09:00 |
| Ariadne | that goes on and on for almost 100 miles wide | Aug 06 09:00 |
| schestowitz | I met someone from Denver this year | Aug 06 09:00 |
| Ariadne | and 5g is available in 2 neighborhoods | Aug 06 09:00 |
| Ariadne | 2! | Aug 06 09:00 |
| schestowitz | lucky they | Aug 06 09:01 |
| schestowitz | the antenna will give them covid ;-);0) | Aug 06 09:01 |
| Ariadne | that is the stupidest rumor | Aug 06 09:01 |
| schestowitz | it helps 5g giants | Aug 06 09:01 |
| Ariadne | Trump probably made it up | Aug 06 09:01 |
| schestowitz | maybe they spread it intentionally | Aug 06 09:01 |
| schestowitz | to distract from legit critics | Aug 06 09:01 |
| schestowitz | and it worked | Aug 06 09:01 |
| schestowitz | 5g critics seem like loons by default/on the surface now | Aug 06 09:02 |
| schestowitz | like gates critics | Aug 06 09:02 |
| schestowitz | it used to be honourable | Aug 06 09:02 |
| Ariadne | well my problem with 5g is | Aug 06 09:02 |
| schestowitz | now they're associated with nuts by default | Aug 06 09:02 |
| Ariadne | it's not really any better than 4g | Aug 06 09:02 |
| schestowitz | it poses risk to sat comms | Aug 06 09:02 |
| Ariadne | unless you use the mmwave | Aug 06 09:02 |
| Ariadne | which has like fuck all range | Aug 06 09:02 |
| Ariadne | and interferes with sat banda | Aug 06 09:02 |
| Ariadne | bands* | Aug 06 09:02 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Aug 06 09:03 |
| schestowitz | like I said... | Aug 06 09:03 |
| schestowitz | FCC is part of the marketing | Aug 06 09:03 |
| Ariadne | reality is you need low and mid band spectrum to make cellular networks viable | Aug 06 09:03 |
| Ariadne | mmwave ain't ot | Aug 06 09:03 |
| Ariadne | and 5g RAN is only 1-2% more spectral efficiency over LTE | Aug 06 09:04 |
| Ariadne | for low and midband spectrum | Aug 06 09:04 |
| Ariadne | as soon as you go indoors | Aug 06 09:04 |
| Ariadne | you immediately lose mmwave | Aug 06 09:04 |
| Ariadne | so it's worthless | Aug 06 09:05 |
| Ariadne | better to focus on moving 4g voice to VoIP/VoLTE | Aug 06 09:05 |
| Ariadne | and not bother with 5g imo | Aug 06 09:05 |
| Ariadne | oh also | Aug 06 09:06 |
| Ariadne | 5g phones have separate modem | Aug 06 09:06 |
| Ariadne | it's not on the SoC | Aug 06 09:06 |
| Ariadne | so good luck with getting decent battery life | Aug 06 09:06 |
| schestowitz | don't worry | Aug 06 09:06 |
| schestowitz | we'll see more catching on fire | Aug 06 09:06 |
| schestowitz | I still have devices with batts that last a week | Aug 06 09:07 |
| oiaohm | Ariadne: there are a few phones where the 4G modem is not in the SoC as well and get decent battery life. | Aug 06 09:07 |
| schestowitz | they don't have "apps" that dispatch packets to towers several times per minute | Aug 06 09:07 |
| Ariadne | those phones are tuned for that | Aug 06 09:07 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: my blackberries used to get like a week battery life | Aug 06 09:07 |
| schestowitz | nowadays, "decent" means two days, no charge | Aug 06 09:08 |
| oiaohm | Ariadne: its security thing as well if you need to add a physical off switch to modem for customer its a little hard if it in the soc. | Aug 06 09:08 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: I think old Nokias could do a month if not on call | Aug 06 09:08 |
| schestowitz | standby with antennas doing the wake-up | Aug 06 09:08 |
| Ariadne | oiaohm: sure but I'm talking average phone | Aug 06 09:08 |
| oiaohm | Lot of feature phones the modem is not in the soc. | Aug 06 09:09 |
| schestowitz | my Palm PDA lasts days | Aug 06 09:09 |
| Ariadne | what I liked is how | Aug 06 09:09 |
| Ariadne | the government told people | Aug 06 09:09 |
| schestowitz | and it was manufactured a very long time ago, back when I was a teenager | Aug 06 09:09 |
| Ariadne | download these covid tracing apps | Aug 06 09:09 |
| Ariadne | we won't use your data for anything other than covid tracing | Aug 06 09:09 |
| Ariadne | then the protests started up | Aug 06 09:09 |
| schestowitz | yesterday two coffee shops asked us to get "apps" | Aug 06 09:09 |
| Ariadne | and bam | Aug 06 09:09 |
| schestowitz | We were like... bye | Aug 06 09:09 |
| Ariadne | now they are using that data to arrest people | Aug 06 09:10 |
| schestowitz | they also rejected cash payments | Aug 06 09:10 |
| scientes | in soviet land covid tracks you | Aug 06 09:10 |
| scientes | Ariadne, well duh, covid is a made-up threat | Aug 06 09:10 |
| schestowitz | now LF does it | Aug 06 09:10 |
| Ariadne | scientes: no it's not | Aug 06 09:10 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/07/21/stalin-dream/ | Aug 06 09:10 |
| scientes | yes it is | Aug 06 09:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Linux (or Linux Foundation) Rapidly Becoming ‘Stalin’s Dream’ | Techrights | Aug 06 09:10 | |
| schestowitz | LF advocates this shit | Aug 06 09:10 |
| Ariadne | 150k people have died | Aug 06 09:10 |
| schestowitz | marketing front | Aug 06 09:10 |
| scientes | they are faking the death certificates | Aug 06 09:10 |
| schestowitz | for Microsoft, GitHub etc. | Aug 06 09:10 |
| Ariadne | yeah ok | Aug 06 09:10 |
| Ariadne | whatever you say man | Aug 06 09:10 |
| schestowitz | real death toll is higher | Aug 06 09:11 |
| Ariadne | i have a friend who got it and it fucked him up so bad he had a stroke | Aug 06 09:11 |
| Ariadne | that shit is no joke | Aug 06 09:11 |
| schestowitz | they don't count suicide yet | Aug 06 09:11 |
| schestowitz | or deaths at home | Aug 06 09:11 |
| schestowitz | or in countries that fake the count downwards | Aug 06 09:11 |
| schestowitz | to quell uprise/dissent | Aug 06 09:11 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: it does cause heart issues | Aug 06 09:12 |
| schestowitz | https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916?resultClick=1 | Aug 06 09:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jamanetwork.com | Outcomes of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance Imaging in Patients Recently Recovered From Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) | Cardiology | JAMA Cardiology | JAMA Network | Aug 06 09:12 | |
| schestowitz | new study, Germany | Aug 06 09:12 |
| Ariadne | seems to cause everything issues | Aug 06 09:12 |
| schestowitz | almost all recovered/released people have heart damage | Aug 06 09:12 |
| schestowitz | even young, even those who stayed home all throughout | Aug 06 09:12 |
| Ariadne | yep | Aug 06 09:12 |
| Ariadne | it's sad | Aug 06 09:12 |
| schestowitz | aside from lung scarring | Aug 06 09:12 |
| Ariadne | it also didn't have to be that way | Aug 06 09:13 |
| schestowitz | and neural damage | Aug 06 09:13 |
| Ariadne | we could have had a competent administration | Aug 06 09:13 |
| schestowitz | time will tell us how to extrapolate toll | Aug 06 09:13 |
| Ariadne | that uhh | Aug 06 09:13 |
| Ariadne | you know | Aug 06 09:13 |
| schestowitz | maybe our PM will be back in hospital by xmas | Aug 06 09:13 |
| Ariadne | took action to get the situation under control | Aug 06 09:13 |
| Ariadne | instead of suggest injecting bleach | Aug 06 09:13 |
| schestowitz | "contact tracing" says nothing about tracing | Aug 06 09:13 |
| schestowitz | so broad a term | Aug 06 09:14 |
| schestowitz | might as well be a term you find in NSA and FBI leaks | Aug 06 09:14 |
| schestowitz | we did "contact tracing" on John | Aug 06 09:14 |
| Ariadne | well contact tracing is legit, if someone tests positive they call the people he associates with and so on | Aug 06 09:14 |
| Ariadne | that is how you break a transmission chain | Aug 06 09:15 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: well Donald "bleach for brains" is now disowned even by a quiet GOP majority | Aug 06 09:15 |
| schestowitz | but they're too opportunistic a bunch of cowards to do what Amash did | Aug 06 09:15 |
| schestowitz | or Romney even | Aug 06 09:15 |
| Ariadne | instead of doing the right thing | Aug 06 09:15 |
| Ariadne | he turned an epidemic | Aug 06 09:15 |
| Ariadne | into a political prop | Aug 06 09:15 |
| schestowitz | https://www.salon.com/2020/08/05/is-the-us-a-failed-state-in-2020-experts-answers-range-from-maybe-to-hell-yes/ | Aug 06 09:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is the U.S. a failed state in 2020? Experts' answers range from "maybe" to "hell, yes" | Salon.com | Aug 06 09:16 | |
| scientes | duh | Aug 06 09:16 |
| scientes | Former United State of America | Aug 06 09:17 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/01/microsoft-loves-trump/ | Aug 06 09:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Donald Trump’s Trash Against China Helps Prop up Microsoft Monopoly and Distract From All the Microsoft Layoffs | Techrights | Aug 06 09:17 | |
| schestowitz | I love those two photos | Aug 06 09:17 |
| schestowitz | (also the film) | Aug 06 09:17 |
| schestowitz | scientes: what's the FUSSA anyway? | Aug 06 09:18 |
| Ariadne | anyway night | Aug 06 09:18 |
| schestowitz | (with Italian accent) | Aug 06 09:19 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: nn | Aug 06 09:19 |
| scientes | > The coronavirus shutdowns have proven that cities at this point don’t serve any vital function at all. They could just be disbanded. T | Aug 06 09:36 |
| scientes | damn straight | Aug 06 09:36 |
| schestowitz | population density alone isn't the culprit | Aug 06 09:53 |
| schestowitz | and if people are populated inside cities, there will be no nature left | Aug 06 09:53 |
| scientes | that is neither here nor there | Aug 06 09:57 |
| scientes | the fact remains that the cities have been proven expendable | Aug 06 09:58 |
| scientes | superfluous | Aug 06 09:58 |
| scientes | they are not industrial centers | Aug 06 09:58 |
| schestowitz | extended factory space | Aug 06 10:09 |
| schestowitz | woth beds | Aug 06 10:09 |
| schestowitz | *with | Aug 06 10:09 |
| schestowitz | refectories disguised as "lifestyle", e.g. "Starbucks" | Aug 06 10:10 |
| schestowitz | "have another cup, sir, and repeat after me, I AM FREE!" | Aug 06 10:10 |
| schestowitz | new york city is said to be the prison built by its own tenants, who are afraid to leave it | Aug 06 10:11 |
| akingu | You can't say the economic and academic output of a city is expendable and immediately transferable to rural dwellings | Aug 06 10:16 |
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| schestowitz | [11:58] <schestowitz> > THE FSF NOW HAS A MICROSOFT DEVELOPER FOR A PRESIDENT! | Aug 06 11:58 |
| schestowitz | [11:58] <schestowitz> > | Aug 06 11:58 |
| schestowitz | [11:58] <schestowitz> > (Insomuch as he is a GitHub sponsor, PRO user and actively developing | Aug 06 11:58 |
| schestowitz | [11:58] <schestowitz> > with Racket on GitHub) | Aug 06 11:58 |
| schestowitz | [11:58] <schestowitz> > | Aug 06 11:58 |
| schestowitz | [11:58] <schestowitz> > FUCKING HOORAY | Aug 06 11:58 |
| schestowitz | [12:00] <schestowitz> Re: WAIT IT GETS BETTER | Aug 06 12:00 |
| schestowitz | [12:00] <schestowitz> > New FSF Pres: | Aug 06 12:00 |
| schestowitz | [12:00] <schestowitz> > | Aug 06 12:00 |
| schestowitz | [12:00] <schestowitz> > ARCTIC CODE VAULT Contributor! | Aug 06 12:00 |
| schestowitz | [12:00] <schestowitz> > | Aug 06 12:00 |
| schestowitz | [12:00] <schestowitz> > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA | Aug 06 12:00 |
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| akingu | schestowitz: The new FSF pres exalted the virtues of the iPhone being a non-open schematic device as a security feature on stage when I asked a question at copyleftconf | Aug 06 12:18 |
| schestowitz | copyleft-con | Aug 06 12:19 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Aug 06 12:19 |
| akingu | That will probably never be published, but the whole thing was a comedy | Aug 06 12:19 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 06 12:19 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/04/30/copyleft-conf-2020/ | Aug 06 12:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Platinum (Top) Sponsors of Copyleft Conf Are Companies That Attack Copyleft’s Father, Richard Stallman | Techrights | Aug 06 12:19 | |
| akingu | I go there for the anthropology. It gets crazier and crazier, but a lot of good people and discussion to be had | Aug 06 12:19 |
| schestowitz | akingu: you mean the answer won't be published? | Aug 06 12:19 |
| schestowitz | They sell keynotes to Microsoft | Aug 06 12:20 |
| schestowitz | literally | Aug 06 12:20 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/05/01/microsoft-taints-with-money/ | Aug 06 12:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The High Cost of Taking Microsoft Cash to Sell Them Keynotes in Copyleft Conf | Techrights | Aug 06 12:20 | |
| akingu | Yes, it is taped, but the video won't be up I don't think | Aug 06 12:20 |
| schestowitz | akingu: I am almost done with an article about concessions at FSF | Aug 06 12:20 |
| schestowitz | akingu: do you have the tape or know who has it? | Aug 06 12:20 |
| akingu | Google and RedHat also had some talks that seemed paid, don't know if they were. | Aug 06 12:22 |
| akingu | And the person that made the Covenant CoC was there. I ran out of available questions since I was a white male. | Aug 06 12:22 |
| akingu | But the new thing is "ethical software" | Aug 06 12:23 |
| schestowitz | "What are you, a COMMUNIST?" | Aug 06 12:23 |
| akingu | I used to be at-least | Aug 06 12:23 |
| akingu | In that company I am an anti- whatever label they want to pick | Aug 06 12:23 |
| schestowitz | (if you mention taking bribes or unethical cash) | Aug 06 12:24 |
| schestowitz | they talk about "ethical software", ask them about unethical cash | Aug 06 12:24 |
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| akingu | Ethical software is stuff that has things like "should not be used for evil 1 2 3" in the license | Aug 06 12:24 |
| schestowitz | or dual licence | Aug 06 12:24 |
| schestowitz | one for FreeSW | Aug 06 12:24 |
| schestowitz | and a sort of preamble | Aug 06 12:24 |
| schestowitz | 1 2 3 4 companies cannot use this | Aug 06 12:25 |
| schestowitz | in violation of 5 6 in OSI's own book | Aug 06 12:25 |
| akingu | Which fundamentally means it is incompatible, ineffective if used at all, and does the opposite of removing personal biases in licenses" | Aug 06 12:25 |
| schestowitz | so what they "add" is contraction not only of FreeSW but also OSS | Aug 06 12:25 |
| akingu | Personal biases in licenses was supposedly a big problem. "White males detected" in that line of reasoning, and no diversity bonus for jews in the mix. | Aug 06 12:26 |
| MinceR | who the hell even let some crybully scum into a free software event? | Aug 06 12:27 |
| MinceR | "ethical software" is not free software | Aug 06 12:27 |
| akingu | Here it is https://ethicalsource.dev/ | Aug 06 12:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ethicalsource.dev | Ethical Source | Ethical Source: Open Source, Evolved | Aug 06 12:28 | |
| akingu | Ethical software is something I coined and wrote down as I was listening to the talk. The joke is that Ethical source != ethical software | Aug 06 12:29 |
| akingu | At first I just reversed all the points, and I had a strict requirement of not allowing CoCs, but then I found that counterproductive. | Aug 06 12:30 |
| schestowitz | [12:26] <akingu> Personal biases in licenses was supposedly a big problem. "White males detected" in that line of reasoning, and no diversity bonus for jews in the mix. | Aug 06 12:30 |
| schestowitz | The person who came up with this licence is also white male | Aug 06 12:30 |
| schestowitz | or was | Aug 06 12:30 |
| akingu | And then I didnt want to be influenced by ethical source, so I rewrote the whole thing | Aug 06 12:30 |
| akingu | schestowitz: I think the math works out to bonus points for reducing the count of white males by 1. | Aug 06 12:32 |
| schestowitz | I sometimes have to ask women how they feel about these people speaking 'for' them | Aug 06 12:32 |
| schestowitz | or claiming to be a victim on their behald | Aug 06 12:32 |
| schestowitz | *behalf | Aug 06 12:32 |
| schestowitz | or people who speak for blacks when banning words | Aug 06 12:32 |
| schestowitz | when actual blacks don't seem bothered | Aug 06 12:32 |
| schestowitz | they want another kind of justice | Aug 06 12:32 |
| schestowitz | economic, respect etc. | Aug 06 12:33 |
| akingu | Can't remember a good argument on the basis of speaking on behalf of a group, hypocricy or not | Aug 06 12:33 |
| schestowitz | User Libre: Free Computing For Everyone, Start With Perfection http://techrights.org/2020/08/06/intro-chapter-1-start-with-perfection/ | Aug 06 12:34 |
| schestowitz | I will also publish Ch. 2 now | Aug 06 12:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | User Libre: Free Computing For Everyone, Start With Perfection | Techrights | Aug 06 12:34 | |
| schestowitz | i can declare myself hispanic and disabled tomorrow, then speak on behalf of them | Aug 06 12:34 |
| schestowitz | but I would not expect to be regarded as anything but a prankster | Aug 06 12:34 |
| schestowitz | and rightly so | Aug 06 12:35 |
| akingu | The reductio ad absurdum is built in. I declare myself a minority as someone who sees this, and seek inclusion in my group. | Aug 06 12:35 |
| MinceR | every individual is a minority | Aug 06 12:36 |
| akingu | You are working hard. Less time seems to go into website design, is this to promote RSS as a medium? | Aug 06 12:36 |
| akingu | MinceR: How dare you not group me in with my preferred in-group. | Aug 06 12:37 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 06 12:37 |
| akingu | :) | Aug 06 12:37 |
| schestowitz | akingu: I encourage RSS, yes | Aug 06 12:37 |
| schestowitz | the site supports browsers as old as 2004 or earlier | Aug 06 12:37 |
| schestowitz | you would be surprised... | Aug 06 12:37 |
| schestowitz | in RSS we're all 'naked' | Aug 06 12:38 |
| schestowitz | and only the substance counts | Aug 06 12:38 |
| MinceR | kinky | Aug 06 12:38 |
| schestowitz | not fonts or ssl or whatever | Aug 06 12:38 |
| schestowitz | just words and sometimes pictures | Aug 06 12:38 |
| schestowitz | you can style the page in the RSS reader | Aug 06 12:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: naked as in css-less | Aug 06 12:38 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: User Libre: Free Computing For Everyone, Start With Perfection http://techrights.org/2020/08/06/intro-chapter-1-start-with-perfection/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/b73f36a8-0ff2-4e2e-8755-25d9fd99ff8b] | Aug 06 12:40 | |
| akingu | And in narrow-vision. Good times | Aug 06 12:40 |
| schestowitz | that's another aspect | Aug 06 12:40 |
| schestowitz | accessibility | Aug 06 12:40 |
| schestowitz | the word can make fun of me for fonts | Aug 06 12:41 |
| schestowitz | or other crap | Aug 06 12:41 |
| schestowitz | I'll carry on writing and focusing on what matters | Aug 06 12:41 |
| schestowitz | [11:54] <schestowitz> >>>> I think this may be a record week for us, traffic-wise, if this pace | Aug 06 12:41 |
| schestowitz | [11:54] <schestowitz> >>>> continues. Largely because of the Red Hat piece. Almost 150k views now. | Aug 06 12:41 |
| schestowitz | [11:54] <schestowitz> >>> Yes, congratulations. I notice that many of the non-humor posts have | Aug 06 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | [11:54] <schestowitz> >>> been quite excellent of late. The RH piece is rather important because | Aug 06 12:41 |
| schestowitz | [11:54] <schestowitz> >>> RH has had such a large impact on the development of GNU/Linux in | Aug 06 12:41 |
| schestowitz | [11:54] <schestowitz> >>> general. Until recently, prior to their adding microsofters to their | Aug 06 12:41 |
| schestowitz | [11:54] <schestowitz> >>> roster and prior to the IBM sale, their influence has been mostly | Aug 06 12:41 |
| schestowitz | [11:54] <schestowitz> >>> positive. | Aug 06 12:41 |
| schestowitz | [11:54] <schestowitz> >>> | Aug 06 12:41 |
| schestowitz | [11:54] <schestowitz> >>> The articles do still get censored quite quickly from m$ shit holes like | Aug 06 12:41 |
| schestowitz | [11:54] <schestowitz> >>> Reddit and HN, however. | Aug 06 12:41 |
| schestowitz | [11:54] <schestowitz> >> We should expect that. But we're self-hosted in a way, so they cannot | Aug 06 12:41 |
| schestowitz | [11:54] <schestowitz> >> 'cancel' us. It's complicated. No response of substance yet, only ad | Aug 06 12:41 |
| schestowitz | [11:54] <schestowitz> >> hominem. | Aug 06 12:41 |
| schestowitz | [11:54] <schestowitz> > Yes, I've also noticed that all the attempts at counters have been ad | Aug 06 12:41 |
| schestowitz | [11:54] <schestowitz> > honimen. Technically that it them declaring TR right and resigning from | Aug 06 12:41 |
| schestowitz | [11:54] <schestowitz> > the debate. However, keep in mind that systemd got pounded through | Aug 06 12:41 |
| schestowitz | [11:54] <schestowitz> > Debian through a mixture of ad hominem and ad novitam. Later, when | Aug 06 12:42 |
| schestowitz | [11:54] <schestowitz> > Debian derivatives succumbed as a natural result of being down stream, | Aug 06 12:42 |
| schestowitz | [11:54] <schestowitz> > they could even add ad populum. These are all fallacies. | Aug 06 12:42 |
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| akingu | I'll send an article if it doesn't fit the Remmina blog :) | Aug 06 12:46 |
| akingu | Is there a list of things someone should write something about? | Aug 06 12:46 |
| schestowitz | yes | Aug 06 12:46 |
| schestowitz | you want some ideas? | Aug 06 12:46 |
| akingu | Sure | Aug 06 12:49 |
| akingu | I mean yes | Aug 06 12:49 |
| schestowitz | figosdev might be writing about the FSF's new pres. | Aug 06 12:50 |
| schestowitz | whom I know less about then he does | Aug 06 12:50 |
| akingu | Alacarte salad-wordbar seems to be my forte | Aug 06 12:50 |
| schestowitz | I want to research what DC migrations Fedora did the past 2-3 months | Aug 06 12:51 |
| schestowitz | there was one last night also | Aug 06 12:51 |
| schestowitz | colo change | Aug 06 12:51 |
| schestowitz | where do they migrate and why? | Aug 06 12:51 |
| akingu | I know he isn't RMS, and thats where my willingness to learn dropped off | Aug 06 12:51 |
| akingu | DC? | Aug 06 12:52 |
| schestowitz | I associate his project with Apple and GitHub | Aug 06 12:52 |
| schestowitz | and that's all I needed to know | Aug 06 12:52 |
| schestowitz | datacentre | Aug 06 12:52 |
| schestowitz | and colo last night | Aug 06 12:52 |
| schestowitz | something is going on | Aug 06 12:52 |
| akingu | Greenhost is moving away from HK following some new laws etc etc | Aug 06 12:52 |
| schestowitz | The Planet Fedora people didn't comment on the nature and reason for the move | Aug 06 12:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m] mentioned something about Azure | Aug 06 12:53 |
| schestowitz | and they already use Microsoft a lot http://techrights.org/2020/06/19/microsoft-hosted-fedora/ | Aug 06 12:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | 2 Years After Microsoft Hijacked GitHub for Monopoly Fedora Still Has Well Over 100 Projects in Microsoft’s GitHub (Not Even Counting Red Hat’s and Systemd) | Techrights | Aug 06 12:53 | |
| schestowitz | Planet Fedora also directly links a lot to GitHub | Aug 06 12:53 |
| schestowitz | IBM's new CEO mentions Azure | Aug 06 12:54 |
| schestowitz | as if it's worth a damn to bother with | Aug 06 12:54 |
| schestowitz | and does religious gestures with Modi (last month) | Aug 06 12:54 |
| schestowitz | he had a red hat at the back | Aug 06 12:54 |
| schestowitz | another task | Aug 06 12:54 |
| akingu | https://0bin.net/paste/lzqYwYz6bBHroaR2#-83kjZMyQMIeM4FZIcFwgtjWfrI8NKXCQ+ItOeSLFCR is the eclips.is post | Aug 06 12:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-0bin.net | 0bin - encrypted pastebin | Aug 06 12:54 | |
| schestowitz | find out what OS Krishna is using | Aug 06 12:54 |
| akingu | That is OTF/RFA money based | Aug 06 12:54 |
| schestowitz | I know it's not an easy task | Aug 06 12:54 |
| akingu | Why would IBM bother with Azure when they have "vertical integration" down to the silicon? | Aug 06 12:55 |
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| schestowitz | Red Hat did too | Aug 06 12:56 |
| schestowitz | under the new management | Aug 06 12:56 |
| schestowitz | some of whom ex-Microsofters | Aug 06 12:56 |
| schestowitz | 'ex' | Aug 06 12:56 |
| schestowitz | Yesterday Red Hat propped up .NET again | Aug 06 12:56 |
| MinceR | wasn't that the old IBM, before they sold off most of their business? | Aug 06 12:56 |
| schestowitz | in their official site | Aug 06 12:56 |
| akingu | https://0bin.net/paste/rZkSGip8VWZPYclS#Gj201RStdTq9Qu4bLUcCuB+G8j3N-6kzHJTzcYN4D94 is the OTF possibly not being funded anymore notice | Aug 06 12:57 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/bprogramming/comments/i4nod3/ibm_is_already_gutting_red_hat_and_firing/ | Aug 06 12:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | IBM Is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning : bprogramming | Aug 06 12:57 | |
| schestowitz | just now | Aug 06 12:57 |
| schestowitz | reddit comments aee crap | Aug 06 12:57 |
| schestowitz | *are | Aug 06 12:57 |
| schestowitz | those idiots would clap for back doors called "security" | Aug 06 12:58 |
| schestowitz | and bash people who actually speak of provable, verifiable issues | Aug 06 12:58 |
| akingu | MinceR: They sold a bunch of non-crucial stuff, like all their old equipment services. | Aug 06 12:58 |
| schestowitz | reddit has long been this crap, it's not new | Aug 06 12:58 |
| schestowitz | akingu: to chhhhoina | Aug 06 12:58 |
| schestowitz | I could do the Trump voice of that | Aug 06 12:58 |
| MinceR | like their storage device division, their personal computer division | Aug 06 12:58 |
| MinceR | Jyna | Aug 06 12:58 |
| schestowitz | with the rectum-looking mouth moving | Aug 06 12:58 |
| schestowitz | "chooooina..." | Aug 06 12:58 |
| MinceR | and then they became card-carrying crApple shills | Aug 06 12:59 |
| akingu | Some company, I know a guy who got sold. Still works the same building, which real-IBM is in now at the other side of | Aug 06 12:59 |
| MinceR | that isn't "vertical integration" either | Aug 06 12:59 |
| schestowitz | vertical integration sounds like a sex position... for them for fuck us over | Aug 06 12:59 |
| schestowitz | (IBM) | Aug 06 12:59 |
| akingu | Well they own Power, datacentres, and RedHat. Plus enough patents to stuff both socks | Aug 06 13:00 |
| schestowitz | "Hey, Jim", drop that linux shit, here in the boardroom we use MACBOOK PRO" | Aug 06 13:00 |
| schestowitz | They even do photo ops with Tim Crook | Aug 06 13:01 |
| MinceR | ah yes, shilling for an enemy of general purpose computers, patent abuse, attempting to kill Unix and selling CPUs nobody buys must be the new "vertical integration" | Aug 06 13:01 |
| schestowitz | At least Virgnia did | Aug 06 13:01 |
| schestowitz | "Ginni" | Aug 06 13:01 |
| akingu | Well they have to discuss strategies for not poaching each-others visa-hires | Aug 06 13:01 |
| schestowitz | They are so openly friendly with Apple | Aug 06 13:01 |
| schestowitz | but never with GNU/Linux luminaries | Aug 06 13:01 |
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| akingu | Well, the stuff in the media is probably more Apple, because it sells clicks | Aug 06 13:03 |
| MinceR | i wonder which came first: POWER being way too expensive for what it is, or nobody buying POWER CPUs | Aug 06 13:03 |
| akingu | Plenty of POWER in networking equipment. IBM is where the monies are | Aug 06 13:03 |
| akingu | https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/en/ is an interesting initiative | Aug 06 13:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.powerpc-notebook.org | GNU/Linux Open Hardware PowerPC notebook - An Open Hardware project for everyone, a PowerPC Notebook for you. Join now! | Aug 06 13:04 | |
| akingu | Intel has crapolaed their manufacturing process, so IBM could sell more chips with that advantage gone. AMD is doing it | Aug 06 13:06 |
| akingu | Somehow Intel is way profitable, but is doing everything in their power to fail. Doesn't add up to me | Aug 06 13:06 |
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| akingu | Not that I am some business genious, just seems odd. | Aug 06 13:07 |
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| MinceR | controlled oligopoly and collusion with the government of uhmerica? | Aug 06 13:07 |
| akingu | But that isn't new. | Aug 06 13:08 |
| akingu | "where's the money lebowski?" | Aug 06 13:14 |
| schestowitz | [13:03] <akingu> Well, the stuff in the media is probably more Apple, because it sells clicks | Aug 06 13:18 |
| schestowitz | the key term is "sells" | Aug 06 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Apple has marketing budget | Aug 06 13:18 |
| schestowitz | that money is put in circulation to rewards those who cover Apple | Aug 06 13:18 |
| schestowitz | e.g. publishers downstream | Aug 06 13:18 |
| schestowitz | it's media bribes | Aug 06 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft does the same thing, as do the 5g patent holders and his billness gates | Aug 06 13:18 |
| MinceR | intel being profitable also isn't new | Aug 06 13:19 |
| akingu | Apple has this neat trick where they pay out dividends of each sale at the end of the year to businesses selling iPhones and the like | Aug 06 13:20 |
| akingu | It is some sort of tax trick. I think it avoids sales tax on each unit | Aug 06 13:20 |
| akingu | For the part that is just markup profit | Aug 06 13:20 |
| akingu | That and they have their stores sometimes in regular ones so they can access sales data for the general market | Aug 06 13:23 |
| schestowitz | akingu: question.. | Aug 06 13:35 |
| schestowitz | do you know of an online page that details the stuff you describe about new fsf pres? | Aug 06 13:35 |
| schestowitz | akingu: it's a loophole apple and others make for themselves | Aug 06 13:36 |
| schestowitz | aks, a crime that they come up with, then spend a fortune 'legalising' | Aug 06 13:36 |
| schestowitz | and then they tell us, "look! It's the law! We're just taking advantage of this law" | Aug 06 13:37 |
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| akingu | schestowitz: I think the talk is up. I'll look through it to see if I can find the actual quote | Aug 06 13:47 |
| akingu | I didn't really believe what I heard, so might have gotten it wrong | Aug 06 13:48 |
| psydread | MS people are really vicious, if you prove them wrong they resort to ad hominem attacks | Aug 06 13:49 |
| psydread | and if their company goes down, they infiltrate all other companies to bring them down as well | Aug 06 13:49 |
| schestowitz | is this OK? "Congratulations to the FSF, which elected a president almost a year after pushing RMS (its founder) out; but questions need to be answered by the new president, who apparently sees nothing wrong re-enforcing the Microsoft monopoly, participating in a PR ploy designed to distract from the notorious ICE contract, and even paying Microsoft (as if it deserves the money)" | Aug 06 13:55 |
| schestowitz | akingu: please do | Aug 06 13:55 |
| schestowitz | we need to air it (raw) is possible | Aug 06 13:56 |
| schestowitz | let people decided | Aug 06 13:56 |
| schestowitz | psydread: yes, that is their modus | Aug 06 13:56 |
| schestowitz | psydread: and they keep at it because it works, and they got good at it | Aug 06 13:56 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20020716 | Aug 06 13:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4338754) | Aug 06 13:56 | |
| schestowitz | Bill Gates paid my boss like a month after I started writing about pedophile of his engineer | Aug 06 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Bill Gates paid my boss like a month after I started writing about pedophile being his engineer | Aug 06 13:57 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Obvious posing. | Aug 06 13:57 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 06 13:57 |
| akingu | https://archive.org/details/copyleftconf2020-expansion 44:30 catches the quote | Aug 06 13:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.org | Copyleft Expansion panel – CopyleftConf 2020 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive | Aug 06 13:57 | |
| akingu | One could say it brought up in a theoretical sense, but I was gobsmacked nontheless hearing it from the head of the FSF | Aug 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | who are the people in this pane;? | Aug 06 13:59 |
| akingu | It says at the beginning | Aug 06 14:00 |
| schestowitz | Is Bradley sitting next to ..., is this Walli? | Aug 06 14:00 |
| akingu | John Sullivan is a "card-carrying poet" | Aug 06 14:00 |
| schestowitz | or John? | Aug 06 14:00 |
| schestowitz | I think Brad's legs are almost as unhealthy looking as Torvalds' | Aug 06 14:01 |
| akingu | Brad next to john, next to woman who wrote artistic license and works on hardware, then some lawyer woman at the end | Aug 06 14:01 |
| schestowitz | as long as they didn't invite Cooper | Aug 06 14:01 |
| schestowitz | She's a Gates agent, sponsored by him for "inner" source etc. | Aug 06 14:02 |
| schestowitz | can IA videos be easily embedded? | Aug 06 14:02 |
| schestowitz | I never tried | Aug 06 14:02 |
| akingu | Maybe https://archive.org/details/@sfconservancy?and[]=subject%3A%22copyleftconf2020%22 can | Aug 06 14:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.org | User Account | Aug 06 14:03 | |
| akingu | https://2020.copyleftconf.org/video 2020 | Aug 06 14:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-2020.copyleftconf.org | CopyleftConf 2020 | Videos | Aug 06 14:03 | |
| akingu | 41:05 features the idiot (me) asking the question leading to said exchange | Aug 06 14:05 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/06/fsf-microsoft-github/ | Aug 06 14:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] RMS Succeeded by a Microsoft Sponsor | Techrights | Aug 06 14:06 | |
| akingu | The answers, except for bradley, sound as moronic now as they did then. Exactly how I remember it | Aug 06 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Is it the new president there, anywhere? | Aug 06 14:11 |
| schestowitz | wow, only 40 videos for this video | Aug 06 14:11 |
| schestowitz | video views I mean | Aug 06 14:11 |
| schestowitz | also not many videos overall | Aug 06 14:11 |
| schestowitz | looks crummy | Aug 06 14:11 |
| schestowitz | You mean co-processors? | Aug 06 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Her answer starts reasonable | Aug 06 14:14 |
| akingu | yes, but she doesn't understand the question | Aug 06 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Then you re-ask | Aug 06 14:14 |
| schestowitz | and she still deals Ok with the question | Aug 06 14:15 |
| schestowitz | to be fair to her | Aug 06 14:15 |
| akingu | Isn't that exactly what I did? | Aug 06 14:15 |
| schestowitz | it's a hard question | Aug 06 14:15 |
| schestowitz | OK, now Brad | Aug 06 14:15 |
| akingu | If a third-party has access to your runtime in real-time, the idea of using as you wish is gone. | Aug 06 14:15 |
| akingu | Both for security, and a meaningful idea of user freedom, that is relevant. | Aug 06 14:16 |
| schestowitz | Is Mr. Arctic Vault at the event? | Aug 06 14:16 |
| schestowitz | https://github.com/gknauth | Aug 06 14:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gknauth (Geoffrey Knauth) · GitHub | Aug 06 14:16 | |
| schestowitz | akingu: yes, it's a mess | Aug 06 14:16 |
| akingu | Don't know who that is, but putting "linguist" in the profile is suspect. Said the linguist. | Aug 06 14:17 |
| schestowitz | I think their responses aren't so unreasonable | Aug 06 14:17 |
| schestowitz | (don't be insulted) | Aug 06 14:17 |
| schestowitz | but we know some of them are defeatists | Aug 06 14:18 |
| akingu | If your critique is that he has pro, I think you can get that without paying, by being in the GitHub dev programme, or maybe by donating money to others? | Aug 06 14:18 |
| *schestowitz has a firmware installed for wifi right now, in Debian... | Aug 06 14:18 | |
| schestowitz | akingu: circulating money | Aug 06 14:18 |
| schestowitz | not merely mirroring there | Aug 06 14:18 |
| akingu | Hmm, he doesn't have "Developer program member" up, but you can pick your badges | Aug 06 14:19 |
| akingu | I was happy to get the vault one, but then I noticed absolutely everyone has it ;) | Aug 06 14:20 |
| MinceR | (cat) (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/11/cade0c1ac0ff00d8.mp4 | Aug 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz | Hmm.. must be a new thing then | Aug 06 14:21 |
| schestowitz | https://github.com/allanday | Aug 06 14:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-allanday (Allan Day) · GitHub | Aug 06 14:21 | |
| schestowitz | they help a PR stunt | Aug 06 14:21 |
| schestowitz | by just having an account there | Aug 06 14:21 |
| akingu | I am uninsultable (I think) | Aug 06 14:21 |
| schestowitz | akingu: I can rip the video or parts of it | Aug 06 14:21 |
| schestowitz | if there's a big faux pas | Aug 06 14:21 |
| schestowitz | was Knauth there at all? | Aug 06 14:22 |
| schestowitz | [12:18] <akingu> schestowitz: The new FSF pres exalted the virtues of the iPhone being a non-open schematic device as a security feature on stage when I asked a question at copyleftconf | Aug 06 14:22 |
| schestowitz | You mean director? | Aug 06 14:22 |
| akingu | Maybe? Who is that? | Aug 06 14:22 |
| schestowitz | john? | Aug 06 14:22 |
| schestowitz | co-pres | Aug 06 14:22 |
| schestowitz | with Oliva | Aug 06 14:22 |
| schestowitz | for 10 months? | Aug 06 14:22 |
| akingu | schestowitz: The correct critique is that he entertained the idea as valid, as posed by others | Aug 06 14:23 |
| akingu | Which RMS would never ever ever do | Aug 06 14:23 |
| schestowitz | true | Aug 06 14:24 |
| schestowitz | akingu: I agree | Aug 06 14:24 |
| schestowitz | but just to be clear, it was about John, not the new Pres. who seems to not even be at that event | Aug 06 14:24 |
| schestowitz | Are you good at video ripping? | Aug 06 14:24 |
| schestowitz | on this machine I don't have a video editor installed yet | Aug 06 14:24 |
| schestowitz | If you can download the file (right-hand side) | Aug 06 14:24 |
| schestowitz | then crop the section of your question | Aug 06 14:24 |
| schestowitz | then toss it on webspace, I will do a post about it | Aug 06 14:25 |
| schestowitz | ogg or similar preferably | Aug 06 14:25 |
| schestowitz | for self-hosted | Aug 06 14:25 |
| akingu | You mean just the quote, or the whole question and follow-up? | Aug 06 14:25 |
| schestowitz | follow-ups also | Aug 06 14:25 |
| schestowitz | it's about 100 seconds | Aug 06 14:26 |
| schestowitz | can be 600px wide or less, maybe about 5 MB video if moderate quality+audio in it | Aug 06 14:26 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Screenshot-CopyleftConf.png | Aug 06 14:27 |
| akingu | I found a way to start video at a specific point | Aug 06 14:28 |
| schestowitz | good! | Aug 06 14:31 |
| schestowitz | although a local copy would be preferable still, I don't suppose rippers exist for IA | Aug 06 14:32 |
| schestowitz | last year copyleft-CON put a copy in YouTube | Aug 06 14:32 |
| schestowitz | for that I have a ripper | Aug 06 14:32 |
| akingu | https://archive.org/details/copyleftconf2020-expansion?start=2467 | Aug 06 14:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.org | Copyleft Expansion panel – CopyleftConf 2020 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive | Aug 06 14:33 | |
| schestowitz | cheers | Aug 06 14:33 |
| schestowitz | to be sure, the event was before rms 'ousted'? | Aug 06 14:33 |
| schestowitz | i.e. before john was co-pres? | Aug 06 14:33 |
| akingu | After | Aug 06 14:35 |
| schestowitz | OK, cheers | Aug 06 14:36 |
| schestowitz | I will write something | Aug 06 14:36 |
| schestowitz | Did you consider taking any of the above topics I mentioned that are in the todo list | Aug 06 14:36 |
| schestowitz | (researching bits that are hard to decipher because of secrecy) | Aug 06 14:36 |
| akingu | The first woman just responds as if I didn't say "not known", and I said "some level of freedom", and "some copyleft license" (where copyleft doesn't neccesitate libre, but that is beside my point to make) | Aug 06 14:37 |
| akingu | I don't want to be on YouTube | Aug 06 14:38 |
| akingu | I can write down the exchange in text, and then the video can be linked to? | Aug 06 14:38 |
| akingu | I notice I speak in a way that isn't very easy to follow. | Aug 06 14:39 |
| schestowitz | please, yes | Aug 06 14:39 |
| schestowitz | do the text | Aug 06 14:39 |
| schestowitz | I have a draft | Aug 06 14:39 |
| schestowitz | draft like this: | Aug 06 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Video: Microsoft-Sponsored 'Copyleft' Conf (Keynote Sold to Microsoft, a Serial GPL Violator and Primary FUD Source) Features Previous FSF (Co)President | Aug 06 14:39 |
| schestowitz | A READER has brought to our attention this <a href="https://2020.copyleftconf.org/video" title="Videos">video uploaded back in April</a> to the <a href="https://archive.org/details/copyleftconf2020-expansion" title="Copyleft Expansion panel – CopyleftConf 2020">Internet Archive</a>. Notice the video page's side bar: | Aug 06 14:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-2020.copyleftconf.org | CopyleftConf 2020 | Videos | Aug 06 14:39 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Screenshot-CopyleftConf.png | Aug 06 14:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.org | Copyleft Expansion panel – CopyleftConf 2020 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive | Aug 06 14:39 | |
| schestowitz | [cref 126801 Stay classy], SFC... | Aug 06 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Mind the part where a <a href="https://archive.org/details/copyleftconf2020-expansion?start=2467">question gets asked about hardware that's Internet-connected and contains back doors</a> (enabling remote control by another party over one's Free software program). | Aug 06 14:39 |
| schestowitz | [14:39] <akingu> I notice I speak in a way that isn't very easy to follow. | Aug 06 14:40 |
| schestowitz | They are grown-ups | Aug 06 14:40 |
| schestowitz | if I can follow, they can too | Aug 06 14:40 |
| schestowitz | English isn't even my first landguage | Aug 06 14:40 |
| schestowitz | the person who spoke before you to ask a question has clarity issues | Aug 06 14:40 |
| akingu | She says, verbatim "I think it falls in the category of things that are outside of software freedom" | Aug 06 14:48 |
| akingu | What does clarity issues mean? | Aug 06 14:49 |
| schestowitz | wtf? | Aug 06 14:49 |
| schestowitz | More Microsoft: https://archive.org/details/copyleftconf2020-smith-fontana | Aug 06 14:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.org | Containers and Copyleft – Carol Smith, Richard Fontana – CopyleftConf 2020 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive | Aug 06 14:49 | |
| schestowitz | She also invaded OSI | Aug 06 14:49 |
| akingu | He didn't ask a question. He spoke about his view on copyright in Europe | Aug 06 14:49 |
| schestowitz | then promoted clearly-defined | Aug 06 14:49 |
| schestowitz | github | Aug 06 14:49 |
| schestowitz | akingu: they could not get what question he was trying to ask if any | Aug 06 14:50 |
| schestowitz | as I recall it | Aug 06 14:50 |
| schestowitz | the stream is terriblen | Aug 06 14:50 |
| schestowitz | and still choppy for me | Aug 06 14:50 |
| schestowitz | I try to see if I can embed this video somehow | Aug 06 14:50 |
| schestowitz | I found a way rto embed the thing | Aug 06 14:54 |
| schestowitz | *to | Aug 06 14:54 |
| schestowitz | akingu: send me the transcript please when ready | Aug 06 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Can't believe she used to work for OIN | Aug 06 14:55 |
| schestowitz | and speak for them... | Aug 06 14:55 |
| schestowitz | maybe forced to lie too much about swpats | Aug 06 14:56 |
| akingu | None of the three people to the right understand the implication of network level insecurities in hardware as it relates to software | Aug 06 15:06 |
| akingu | And I think, security is the example of the unintended consequence of that kind of provision, because the definition of | Aug 06 15:06 |
| akingu | security is not objective, and people say the iPhone is the most secure phone out there. | Aug 06 15:06 |
| akingu | You know, from a lot of peoples perspective it's (pointing to himself) one of the most insecure phones out there because you can't | Aug 06 15:06 |
| akingu | audit the software yourself, and it is insecure against the owner of the software which gave you the phone which is Apple. | Aug 06 15:06 |
| akingu | So you, cant ever provision preventing a piece of software on an insecure network unless you also define what security means to begin with. | Aug 06 15:06 |
| akingu | That is what John says | Aug 06 15:06 |
| akingu | "unless you also define what security means to begin with" which I did. | Aug 06 15:06 |
| schestowitz | yup | Aug 06 15:08 |
| schestowitz | "more softball questions, everybody..." | Aug 06 15:08 |
| akingu | That is exactly the feeling I got. Especially when I asked Carolina Emke about "ethical source" | Aug 06 15:09 |
| akingu | So maybe this instead could serve as an article about hardware level insecurities, and how they are poorly understood in relation to what software freedom is in any meaningful sense? | Aug 06 15:10 |
| akingu | Then I can answer inline to the transcript, and then ask for follow-up? | Aug 06 15:10 |
| akingu | Make it a little series | Aug 06 15:10 |
| akingu | My take is that if someone owns both the network stack and the machine, it renders communication not free to use as one wishes, as free speech becomes audited speech. | Aug 06 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Do you want me to quote your argument above? | Aug 06 15:12 |
| schestowitz | or transcript? | Aug 06 15:12 |
| schestowitz | I can do either, or both | Aug 06 15:13 |
| akingu | I am just shitposting, I was thinking if I wrote an article | Aug 06 15:13 |
| schestowitz | I am not good enough at hardware to do a very solid and in-depth article on this topic | Aug 06 15:13 |
| akingu | Title "Endgame free as in freedom, but not as in free speech" | Aug 06 15:13 |
| schestowitz | I stick to things I can defend more stringly | Aug 06 15:13 |
| schestowitz | strongly | Aug 06 15:13 |
| schestowitz | danielinux might know | Aug 06 15:14 |
| schestowitz | more his domain iirc | Aug 06 15:14 |
| akingu | Im no expert either, but if you hand out ring 0 level access and networking capabilities, you dont need all the surveilance of the Internet infrastructure in between | Aug 06 15:14 |
| akingu | From this premise, software meant to be used in a networked sense is subject to a fair bit of encroaching on "use as you wish". | Aug 06 15:15 |
| akingu | Not even just surveilance, but someone else can use it as they wish, which isn't just an ethical quandary. | Aug 06 15:16 |
| schestowitz | yes, I am aware | Aug 06 15:16 |
| schestowitz | rms was asked about this | Aug 06 15:16 |
| schestowitz | he then said he too limits it to software side | Aug 06 15:17 |
| akingu | When he speaks about tivoization? | Aug 06 15:17 |
| schestowitz | because it's infeasible for him to fabricate his own cheap and check the designs for verification (like checksum) before doing so | Aug 06 15:17 |
| akingu | Well the bugs are exploitable not just to the NSA, now it is everyman and his dog in that race | Aug 06 15:17 |
| schestowitz | (not in those words/terms) | Aug 06 15:17 |
| schestowitz | nsa has a vast army of geeks | Aug 06 15:17 |
| schestowitz | and I assume they vandalise anything they touch | Aug 06 15:17 |
| schestowitz | reproducible builds in debian assume their own people aren't nsa moles or paid to become moles | Aug 06 15:18 |
| akingu | So RMS says he can't do what exactly? | Aug 06 15:18 |
| schestowitz | verify the chips run the program correctly | Aug 06 15:18 |
| schestowitz | when people ask about free/libre hardwarfe | Aug 06 15:19 |
| schestowitz | he sued a desk analogy | Aug 06 15:19 |
| akingu | schestowitz: No, you can actually compile those yourself, for a snapshot of the source that you can vet. That capability is then extended indefinitely | Aug 06 15:19 |
| schestowitz | which i cannot even recall anymore, it was like a decade ago, question from the audience somewhere | Aug 06 15:19 |
| schestowitz | you don't know if the hardware will run it as you expect | Aug 06 15:19 |
| akingu | Yes but one decade ahead to current year, and now we are in the drink | Aug 06 15:20 |
| schestowitz | you could make chips to recognise repeatedly openssl operations | Aug 06 15:20 |
| schestowitz | and then tamper with the RNG | Aug 06 15:20 |
| akingu | You can do book-code, but you never know when someone can shut it downTM | Aug 06 15:20 |
| schestowitz | some hardware does 'shortcuts' by doing the RNG for you... using some cryptic/secret code in silicon | Aug 06 15:20 |
| schestowitz | openbsd refuses to even touch that h/w-accelerated rng | Aug 06 15:20 |
| schestowitz | the nsa can even compel intel to make some opebsd-specific module to covertly direct openbsd binaries to run that rng | Aug 06 15:21 |
| schestowitz | lowering entropy | Aug 06 15:21 |
| akingu | Yes, that is what Tso spoke out against. Which is why it isn't in the kernel. And then some people tried to get him removed because he had an article about the claims of the prevelance of rape, and the different levels of rape | Aug 06 15:21 |
| schestowitz | weakening crypto, making it predictable | Aug 06 15:21 |
| schestowitz | then intel will say "oops" | Aug 06 15:21 |
| schestowitz | "another defect" | Aug 06 15:21 |
| schestowitz | "really sorry, mate" | Aug 06 15:22 |
| schestowitz | "here, have a new proprietary microcode" | Aug 06 15:22 |
| schestowitz | with a "newer" back door | Aug 06 15:22 |
| akingu | But not for your old processor, pal | Aug 06 15:22 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/2002075 | Aug 06 15:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4338622) | Aug 06 15:22 | |
| akingu | Yea I know the drill. Luckily there are new achitectures on the rise | Aug 06 15:22 |
| akingu | Economy of scale vs realms of physics makes it a winning game I think | Aug 06 15:23 |
| schestowitz | sage sharp picked on tso | Aug 06 15:23 |
| schestowitz | ina really vicious way | Aug 06 15:23 |
| akingu | Yeah | Aug 06 15:23 |
| schestowitz | he still has his job | Aug 06 15:24 |
| schestowitz | but laying low | Aug 06 15:24 |
| schestowitz | quieter | Aug 06 15:24 |
| akingu | She was head of the OTF at one point | Aug 06 15:24 |
| schestowitz | like LT | Aug 06 15:24 |
| schestowitz | it's a warning shot at least | Aug 06 15:24 |
| schestowitz | OTF is what? | Aug 06 15:24 |
| schestowitz | open something fdn | Aug 06 15:24 |
| akingu | So that is a dude now(?) | Aug 06 15:25 |
| schestowitz | I wonder what ammo they might one day try on me like a decade later | Aug 06 15:25 |
| akingu | From what I could tell she (at the time at least) influenced Lidsay down the same road, which I thought was sad | Aug 06 15:25 |
| schestowitz | akingu: twitter say "they" | Aug 06 15:25 |
| schestowitz | I don't know that political thing too well | Aug 06 15:25 |
| schestowitz | so I don't comment on it | Aug 06 15:26 |
| schestowitz | the pronoun thing | Aug 06 15:26 |
| akingu | Yes, but I am a "linguist", so I won't say "they" if you beat me with a stick | Aug 06 15:26 |
| schestowitz | a friend's niece is also a "they" | Aug 06 15:26 |
| schestowitz | he's baffled by it | Aug 06 15:26 |
| schestowitz | he's a professor, very tolerant guy | Aug 06 15:26 |
| akingu | Yeah yeah, there used to be emo's too, and where are they now? | Aug 06 15:26 |
| schestowitz | but a person is singular, so | Aug 06 15:26 |
| schestowitz | what is "OTF"? | Aug 06 15:27 |
| schestowitz | By the way, Intel is in the CoC Committee | Aug 06 15:27 |
| schestowitz | it's quite new | Aug 06 15:27 |
| schestowitz | they also did the recent word ban in Linux | Aug 06 15:27 |
| akingu | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Technology_Fund | Aug 06 15:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Open Technology Fund - Wikipedia | Aug 06 15:27 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/01/03/linux-kernel-code-of-conduct-committee/ | Aug 06 15:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation’s Linux Kernel Code of Conduct (CoC) Committee is Now Officially Corporate | Techrights | Aug 06 15:27 | |
| akingu | Downstream from radio free asia RFA | Aug 06 15:27 |
| schestowitz | The "let's ban these words from Linux" proposal came from Intel | Aug 06 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Open means open wallet | Aug 06 15:28 |
| schestowitz | does not mean much | Aug 06 15:28 |
| schestowitz | NSA is also open | Aug 06 15:28 |
| schestowitz | they have lots of "open" things, but they hate freedom | Aug 06 15:28 |
| akingu | The NSA is at-least open about what they do, maybe now how they do it, but I respect that more | Aug 06 15:29 |
| oiaohm | NSA is only as open about what they do as government requires them to be. | Aug 06 15:29 |
| akingu | Nah | Aug 06 15:30 |
| MinceR | how open were they about backdooring Dual_EC_DRBG? | Aug 06 15:30 |
| oiaohm | rootkitting routers and harddrive firmware only came out when NSA had a leak and was caught hand in cookie jar. | Aug 06 15:30 |
| schestowitz | akingu: NSA is more "open" than KGB/FSB | Aug 06 15:31 |
| schestowitz | or China's... whatever CPC's calls theirs | Aug 06 15:31 |
| schestowitz | but they all hate their own citizens' freedom | Aug 06 15:31 |
| akingu | Right, and everyone has their version. What I don't need is Intel in my life | Aug 06 15:31 |
| schestowitz | they're all about control, domination, even by assassination and blackmail | Aug 06 15:31 |
| schestowitz | the back doors are the means | Aug 06 15:31 |
| akingu | They are just adding to the stability of things. If everyone has a dog in the race, a dogfight is better than the alternative | Aug 06 15:33 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Counterintelligence_Service is what replaced the KGB. | Aug 06 15:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Federal Counterintelligence Service - Wikipedia | Aug 06 15:33 | |
| akingu | And that is how you justify it. They have more money than anyone, and a direct funnel with little to no oversight or feedback | Aug 06 15:33 |
| schestowitz | Miseducation http://techrights.org/2020/08/06/miseducation/ | Aug 06 15:33 |
| schestowitz | published just now | Aug 06 15:33 |
| schestowitz | akingu: no transcript, right? | Aug 06 15:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Miseducation | Techrights | Aug 06 15:34 | |
| akingu | I have the whole thing, Im going to make it an article of its own | Aug 06 15:34 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Department of Defence 'replaced' Department of War after WW2 | Aug 06 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Reshuffling banners and maybe a few officers | Aug 06 15:34 |
| schestowitz | helps control history | Aug 06 15:34 |
| akingu | I am not one for character assasination, he just didnt understand the question, can't really attack the content of his answer on the basis of that | Aug 06 15:34 |
| schestowitz | "Watson" is making a comeback at IBM now | Aug 06 15:34 |
| schestowitz | posthumously | Aug 06 15:35 |
| akingu | But I can ask him to answer when it is all laid out | Aug 06 15:35 |
| schestowitz | thought there's a Tom Watson III | Aug 06 15:35 |
| schestowitz | No Wikipedia entry on him | Aug 06 15:35 |
| akingu | The geneticist? | Aug 06 15:35 |
| schestowitz | no | Aug 06 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Tom Jr.'s Tom | Aug 06 15:35 |
| schestowitz | son | Aug 06 15:35 |
| schestowitz | he had 6 kids | Aug 06 15:35 |
| schestowitz | wikipedia has no entry on any of them | Aug 06 15:35 |
| schestowitz | This is junior | Aug 06 15:36 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/01/ibm-and-the-bomb-part-3/ | Aug 06 15:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and the Bomb – Part III: IBM’s Watson Jr. Rose From Business V.I.P. to U.S. Ambassador in the Soviet Union During the Cold War (Which IBM Profited From) | Techrights | Aug 06 15:36 | |
| akingu | So many people, I know IBM has a Watson computer neural network thing | Aug 06 15:36 |
| schestowitz | His dad's legacy: http://techrights.org/2020/07/26/ibm-and-eugenics/ | Aug 06 15:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM’s Watson Also Consciously Profited From Eugenics (and This Tradition Carries on in 2020) | Techrights | Aug 06 15:36 | |
| schestowitz | IBM started like this, 1928 | Aug 06 15:36 |
| schestowitz | akingu: ask them how much they know about the person Watson | Aug 06 15:37 |
| schestowitz | They might think it's Sherlock's Watson | Aug 06 15:37 |
| akingu | That article was trash | Aug 06 15:40 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: china you have two "Ministry of State Security" that is external looking and "Ministry of Public Security" internal looking. Both do commision the development of differnet open source things of course released by the companies commisioned to write them. | Aug 06 15:40 |
| schestowitz | which one of them? | Aug 06 15:40 |
| akingu | IBM’s Watson Also Consciously Profited From Eugenics (and This Tradition Carries on in 2020) | Aug 06 15:41 |
| schestowitz | it's not an article | Aug 06 15:41 |
| schestowitz | it highlights an insider's article | Aug 06 15:41 |
| schestowitz | he later wrote similar things, e.g. in The Guardian this year | Aug 06 15:42 |
| schestowitz | or last December | Aug 06 15:42 |
| akingu | What does that mean? | Aug 06 15:42 |
| schestowitz | and he again mentioned what had been done in Jamaica to mixed race couples | Aug 06 15:42 |
| schestowitz | his dad was the first ibm worker who was black | Aug 06 15:42 |
| schestowitz | and he too worked there | Aug 06 15:42 |
| schestowitz | now retired | Aug 06 15:42 |
| akingu | I got that part | Aug 06 15:43 |
| akingu | The piece of text is trash. Article or not | Aug 06 15:43 |
| schestowitz | which text? | Aug 06 15:45 |
| schestowitz | the screenshot? | Aug 06 15:45 |
| akingu | Yes, why is it on techrights | Aug 06 15:46 |
| schestowitz | the article? It raises a legit point | Aug 06 15:46 |
| schestowitz | context originally in: | Aug 06 15:46 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/11/28/diversity-forms/ | Aug 06 15:46 |
| akingu | What legit point? | Aug 06 15:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Diversity Comes in Many Forms | Techrights | Aug 06 15:46 | |
| schestowitz | and also in http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/ | Aug 06 15:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights | Aug 06 15:47 | |
| schestowitz | They hypocritically use "diversity" to oust people who accomplished a lot | Aug 06 15:47 |
| schestowitz | based on grounds IBM itself is highly guilty of | Aug 06 15:47 |
| schestowitz | showing the hypocrisy weakens their ability to use "diversity" as a corporate weapon without facing bashlash | Aug 06 15:48 |
| schestowitz | backlash | Aug 06 15:48 |
| akingu | Highly guilty of where? | Aug 06 15:48 |
| schestowitz | likewise for Microsoft http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/microsoft-gender-equality/ | Aug 06 15:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Gender (In)Equality: Women Don’t Ask for Raises | Techrights | Aug 06 15:48 | |
| schestowitz | point is, Free software is no more 'racist' or 'sexist' than those who accuse it of that | Aug 06 15:48 |
| schestowitz | it's being weaponised | Aug 06 15:49 |
| akingu | And you are being an useful idiot | Aug 06 15:49 |
| schestowitz | No, this is reactionary | Aug 06 15:49 |
| schestowitz | in case you did not notice who started that tactic | Aug 06 15:49 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://www.redhat.com/cms/managed-files/rh-culture-diversity-emea-analyst-paper-f16750bf-201903-en.pdf Redhat has quite a history of attempting to expand diversity. | Aug 06 15:49 |
| akingu | The critique isn't that it is somewhat historically inconsistent. Much less letting scheisters to the fray to say it | Aug 06 15:50 |
| schestowitz | meh | Aug 06 15:50 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: not that its been that successful. | Aug 06 15:50 |
| schestowitz | only in 2008 they added a second woman to their board, yet they use that ground to badmouth the FSF's board | Aug 06 15:50 |
| oiaohm | Redhat has end up with inverse bias in wages. | Aug 06 15:50 |
| schestowitz | when ousting RMS | Aug 06 15:50 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: maybe in "Sales" | Aug 06 15:51 |
| schestowitz | they don't like to talk about the company overall | Aug 06 15:51 |
| schestowitz | Oracle doesn't talk about it either | Aug 06 15:51 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: most of the managers of development teams at Redhat are also female. | Aug 06 15:51 |
| schestowitz | because they know opportunistic activists will tap onto that | Aug 06 15:51 |
| akingu | What is this, BLM level writing? | Aug 06 15:51 |
| schestowitz | But Oracle is at least not trying to shame us using race and gender | Aug 06 15:51 |
| schestowitz | unlike Microsofters | Aug 06 15:51 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: redhat is really odd large level of management personal at redhat is female yet that not on the board. And they are the higher paid employees | Aug 06 15:52 |
| schestowitz | source? | Aug 06 15:52 |
| schestowitz | ibm says 29% are women | Aug 06 15:52 |
| schestowitz | but that does not say much | Aug 06 15:52 |
| schestowitz | anyway, they badmouth Free software to oust strong leaders | Aug 06 15:52 |
| oiaohm | IBM women number was lower than Redhats. | Aug 06 15:52 |
| schestowitz | they did this repeatedly to RMS and LT | Aug 06 15:52 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: well, IBM can 'correct' that by firing many | Aug 06 15:53 |
| akingu | You just published a text saying "Minority underrepresentation in high tech has been present since the earliest days of the industry" and "the racism he fought persists in the high-tech world today". Why? | Aug 06 15:53 |
| schestowitz | their CEO comes from a sexist and racist country | Aug 06 15:53 |
| schestowitz | more so than China | Aug 06 15:53 |
| MinceR | IBM can correct it by closing shop | Aug 06 15:53 |
| schestowitz | akingu: no, I did not write that text | Aug 06 15:53 |
| MinceR | no corporation => no people at the corporation => any ratio of the people at the corporation is whatever you want it to be | Aug 06 15:53 |
| akingu | You sent it | Aug 06 15:54 |
| schestowitz | I capped a text to highlight the eugenics project | Aug 06 15:54 |
| akingu | It passed through your control | Aug 06 15:54 |
| schestowitz | which I underlined | Aug 06 15:54 |
| schestowitz | eugenics is really nasty shit | Aug 06 15:54 |
| akingu | No it isnt | Aug 06 15:54 |
| schestowitz | well.. | Aug 06 15:54 |
| schestowitz | so you think mixing people across places maks "inferior" genes? | Aug 06 15:55 |
| schestowitz | (that's what eugenics says)\ | Aug 06 15:56 |
| akingu | That is just one of the things misrepresented, but your claim that IBM participated in any of the things for a variation on the theme "eugenics" entirely hinge on Clyde w. Ford saying so | Aug 06 15:56 |
| akingu | schestowitz: No it isn't | Aug 06 15:56 |
| schestowitz | so explain eugenics | Aug 06 15:56 |
| akingu | I can explain biology, I suppose you can take eugenics to mean any controlled outcome | Aug 06 15:57 |
| schestowitz | FWIW, the billness' dad was head of the successor of US eugenics society | Aug 06 15:57 |
| akingu | And? | Aug 06 15:57 |
| schestowitz | 'purifying' races | Aug 06 15:57 |
| akingu | What is the relevancy? | Aug 06 15:58 |
| schestowitz | that was before ww2 | Aug 06 15:58 |
| akingu | who is billness? | Aug 06 15:58 |
| schestowitz | when the whole thing got a bad name, like the word "propaganda" that was turned into "P.R." | Aug 06 15:58 |
| schestowitz | billG | Aug 06 15:58 |
| schestowitz | William Sr. | Aug 06 15:58 |
| schestowitz | Jr. continues the father's work | Aug 06 15:58 |
| akingu | And why are you bringing up ww2 to current IBM or others? That would if anything make them atone for their "sins" even more | Aug 06 15:58 |
| schestowitz | it's a response | Aug 06 15:59 |
| akingu | to what? | Aug 06 15:59 |
| schestowitz | after they worked to oust RMS | Aug 06 15:59 |
| schestowitz | lots of Red Hat staff in that petition | Aug 06 15:59 |
| akingu | It is a shitty response | Aug 06 15:59 |
| schestowitz | also some institutions where Red Hat (already IBM back then) had highest clout | Aug 06 15:59 |
| schestowitz | like GNOME | Aug 06 15:59 |
| akingu | Sorry, counterproductive response | Aug 06 15:59 |
| schestowitz | and it highlights the harms that can be caused by irresponsible adherence to tech without consequences | Aug 06 16:00 |
| akingu | If you fight "you aren't diverse" with "you aren't diverse either", you lose, no matter the hypocricy pointed out | Aug 06 16:00 |
| akingu | And not even that is done well here, because you are taking it hook line and sinker | Aug 06 16:01 |
| akingu | The idea that IBM not having more blacks in 1946 being a product of racism in high-tech is a worthless and idiotic claim | Aug 06 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Good luck fighting it another way | Aug 06 16:01 |
| akingu | I am intelligent, your move | Aug 06 16:01 |
| schestowitz | ethical issues matter | Aug 06 16:02 |
| schestowitz | but you are fixated on another angle | Aug 06 16:02 |
| akingu | So don't misrepresent them | Aug 06 16:02 |
| schestowitz | it's not limited to race and gender, there's stuff like militarism and back doors | Aug 06 16:03 |
| akingu | No, I have both positions firmly in mind. You are creating a third problem, which is the same as IBM is supposedly doing, but you are adding to it | Aug 06 16:03 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/regime-change-in-haiti/ | Aug 06 16:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Chairman of the Board of Red Hat Explains He Was Introduced to GNU/Linux When It Helped His Regime Change in Haiti | Techrights | Aug 06 16:03 | |
| schestowitz | not about race, neither it is about gender | Aug 06 16:03 |
| schestowitz | akingu: you can defuse the propaganda by proactively showing your cards | Aug 06 16:04 |
| schestowitz | "use sexism on us, we'll show you're no better and thus lack any argument" | Aug 06 16:04 |
| schestowitz | they lose that pseudo-demographic empathy | Aug 06 16:04 |
| schestowitz | We focus on corporations and their deeds | Aug 06 16:05 |
| schestowitz | It's them who change the subject | Aug 06 16:05 |
| schestowitz | because war is unethical | Aug 06 16:05 |
| schestowitz | so they seek another paradigm of ethics | Aug 06 16:05 |
| schestowitz | and we then change back to the real issue | Aug 06 16:05 |
| schestowitz | like we did with their language bans | Aug 06 16:05 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/24/freedom-of-speech/ | Aug 06 16:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Let’s Ban Bombings, Not Words (Corporations Taking Away People’s Freedom of Speech So They Can Bomb ‘in Peace’) | Techrights | Aug 06 16:05 | |
| akingu | No, that isn't what you are doing | Aug 06 16:06 |
| akingu | You are lending creedence to an argument that has no merit. Thus perpetuating its importance. | Aug 06 16:06 |
| schestowitz | So tell me what I am doing | Aug 06 16:06 |
| schestowitz | oh. | Aug 06 16:06 |
| schestowitz | No, you must mention what they attempt | Aug 06 16:06 |
| schestowitz | then respond | Aug 06 16:06 |
| schestowitz | otherwise you reply in a vacuum | Aug 06 16:06 |
| akingu | Right, that is what makes it worse on your part. You know better | Aug 06 16:07 |
| schestowitz | and sometimes I don't rebut at all because it gives more exposure to their bad argument without a compelling enough rebuttal | Aug 06 16:07 |
| schestowitz | so suggest a better approach | Aug 06 16:07 |
| akingu | I might come off as arrogant, but I am honest about what I think, and open to being wrong | Aug 06 16:07 |
| akingu | To give an example | Aug 06 16:07 |
| akingu | Racism exists, in a classical US sense | Aug 06 16:08 |
| scientes | black lives matter every 20 to 30 years | Aug 06 16:08 |
| akingu | If that means people now are subject to it because they are black, OK. | Aug 06 16:08 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/06/video-copyleftconf/ | Aug 06 16:09 |
| akingu | What some people do is then say others are blind to their privilige, and they are professors of this racism. Only they can speak on matters to do with race, and curiously also decide what matters are | Aug 06 16:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Video: Microsoft-Sponsored ‘Copyleft’ Conf (Keynote Sold to Microsoft, a Serial GPL Violator and Primary FUD Source) Features Previous FSF (Co)President and RMS Ouster | Techrights | Aug 06 16:09 | |
| scientes | between those times (and during) they are decimated---black men put in prison, children without fathers, schools defunded | Aug 06 16:09 |
| akingu | That is a full 180, and it revokes somone the right to argument on the basis of their skincolour. That is textbook racism, and it is worse, because that is the premise of what one is trying to fight | Aug 06 16:09 |
| schestowitz | the cycle of poverty dates back to slavery | Aug 06 16:10 |
| scientes | schestowitz, but that is the exact liberal hypocricy we are complaining about | Aug 06 16:10 |
| schestowitz | liberal means nothing anymore | Aug 06 16:11 |
| scientes | there is no "cycle of poverty" without liberals to perpetuate it while claiming to be against it | Aug 06 16:11 |
| akingu | scientes: Exactly every 20 to 30 years, because idiots are given a platform. | Aug 06 16:11 |
| schestowitz | I'm being a realist | Aug 06 16:11 |
| akingu | schestowitz: No, you are being a useful idiot | Aug 06 16:11 |
| scientes | and the UK and US can't really talk about prosperity anymore | Aug 06 16:11 |
| scientes | they are heaping piles of homelessness and poverty themselves | Aug 06 16:11 |
| schestowitz | True | Aug 06 16:12 |
| schestowitz | but the empires are aging | Aug 06 16:12 |
| akingu | schestowitz: Why is it the Irish and Germans aren't in the cycle of poverty, or the Chinese, or the Quakers | Aug 06 16:12 |
| schestowitz | the capitalists sent the jobs away to save money | Aug 06 16:12 |
| akingu | Or any group that had a rough time | Aug 06 16:12 |
| schestowitz | there are many poor people of all races | Aug 06 16:12 |
| akingu | Right, and if you control on the basis of race you find? | Aug 06 16:12 |
| schestowitz | the class war isn't a coloured one | Aug 06 16:13 |
| schestowitz | but unison across genders and races makes it more likely to attain justice vertically | Aug 06 16:13 |
| schestowitz | like fair wages | Aug 06 16:13 |
| schestowitz | GAFAM etc. don't want that discussed | Aug 06 16:13 |
| akingu | Oh wages aren't fair accross races and genders? | Aug 06 16:13 |
| schestowitz | so they divise across racial lines | Aug 06 16:13 |
| schestowitz | which is not what we demand | Aug 06 16:13 |
| scientes | GENDER IS NOT A CLASS | Aug 06 16:13 |
| schestowitz | we demand they stop their disgusting greed and agenda | Aug 06 16:14 |
| schestowitz | scientes: it is not | Aug 06 16:14 |
| schestowitz | that's my point | Aug 06 16:14 |
| schestowitz | but they try to conflate those things | Aug 06 16:14 |
| schestowitz | so the genders shout at one another | Aug 06 16:14 |
| schestowitz | they even help add like dozens of new genders | Aug 06 16:14 |
| akingu | They being your chosen pronoun in presenting it? | Aug 06 16:14 |
| schestowitz | so even women are talked down by men who say they're not men | Aug 06 16:14 |
| schestowitz | and this chaos caused rot within communities | Aug 06 16:14 |
| schestowitz | JK Rowling canceled | Aug 06 16:15 |
| schestowitz | and for what? | Aug 06 16:15 |
| schestowitz | being trolled and provoked | Aug 06 16:15 |
| schestowitz | until she "tweeted" the 'wrong' thing | Aug 06 16:15 |
| schestowitz | and the media carries on feeding trolls | Aug 06 16:15 |
| schestowitz | feeding frenzy | Aug 06 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Trump is being targeted not for fraud and corruption | Aug 06 16:16 |
| schestowitz | but his rapes or sexual misconduct | Aug 06 16:16 |
| schestowitz | like Bill Clinton | Aug 06 16:16 |
| schestowitz | nobody loses office for 'wrong' bombings | Aug 06 16:16 |
| schestowitz | but for 'wrong' blowjobs | Aug 06 16:16 |
| schestowitz | any scandal is OK | Aug 06 16:16 |
| schestowitz | just nothing sexuak | Aug 06 16:16 |
| schestowitz | So what if Trump drops more bombs than anyone before him, including MOAB? | Aug 06 16:17 |
| schestowitz | and uses nuclear saber-rattling like Putin does? | Aug 06 16:17 |
| schestowitz | so what? | Aug 06 16:17 |
| schestowitz | he doesn't wear a mask, IMPEACH! | Aug 06 16:17 |
| schestowitz | he badmouthed Biden and did a Ukraine blackmail, impeach | Aug 06 16:18 |
| schestowitz | not for colluding with China to be reelected | Aug 06 16:18 |
| schestowitz | that's not a scandal | Aug 06 16:18 |
| schestowitz | or openly saying he invited russia to crack US computer systems of a policial rival | Aug 06 16:18 |
| schestowitz | that's also OK | Aug 06 16:18 |
| akingu | So to interject, if you will allow | Aug 06 16:18 |
| schestowitz | ok | Aug 06 16:18 |
| akingu | You posted a text saying there is a problem of racism in high-tech as it relates to the percentages of miniorities in it, do you agree with that? | Aug 06 16:19 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even underline it | Aug 06 16:19 |
| schestowitz | I underlines two things | Aug 06 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Jamaica eugenics project | Aug 06 16:20 |
| schestowitz | and South African apartheid | Aug 06 16:20 |
| schestowitz | argument for racial segregation are extremely weak compared to sexes in schools | Aug 06 16:21 |
| akingu | We will get to that | Aug 06 16:21 |
| schestowitz | (re South Africa) | Aug 06 16:21 |
| akingu | You are wrong again, but answer the question | Aug 06 16:21 |
| akingu | Sorry, I think you are wrong | Aug 06 16:22 |
| schestowitz | akingu: you ask me if I agree with something I neither said nor highlighted | Aug 06 16:23 |
| schestowitz | this is a ridiculous sort of straw man trap | Aug 06 16:23 |
| schestowitz | So I will not even respond | Aug 06 16:23 |
| akingu | scientes: I also take issue with your argument | Aug 06 16:24 |
| akingu | schestowitz: You published it, but that is beside the point of it being on your website | Aug 06 16:25 |
| akingu | And my issue is you being effective in reasoning that RMS should not be fired for bad reasons. | Aug 06 16:25 |
| schestowitz | [16:25] <akingu> schestowitz: You published it, but that is beside the point of it being on your website | Aug 06 16:26 |
| schestowitz | I published a post | Aug 06 16:26 |
| schestowitz | it has a screenshot in it | Aug 06 16:26 |
| akingu | granted | Aug 06 16:26 |
| schestowitz | maybe you want to pick on social control media posted with links in them | Aug 06 16:26 |
| schestowitz | by telling me what else those sites wrote | Aug 06 16:26 |
| schestowitz | and then holding me accountable for linking to those domains | Aug 06 16:26 |
| akingu | don't follow | Aug 06 16:26 |
| schestowitz | that's cancel culture prelude | Aug 06 16:26 |
| akingu | I am not trying to cancel anyone. For the record I don't care at all who you are | Aug 06 16:27 |
| akingu | In the best of intentions | Aug 06 16:27 |
| akingu | I am trying to make you more effective in realizing anti-cancellation | Aug 06 16:27 |
| akingu | From my point of view, either hacky arguments and speculative writing is above board, or it isn't. No who said what and rewinding the discussion as it unfolds | Aug 06 16:28 |
| akingu | I hold you to the exact same standards as anyone else, and I try to help because I think you might see that as being beneficial to a an end I agree on | Aug 06 16:29 |
| schestowitz | This attack vector is nothing new | Aug 06 16:29 |
| schestowitz | I have responded to it for over a decade | Aug 06 16:30 |
| schestowitz | They tried it on RMS in 2009 | Aug 06 16:30 |
| schestowitz | "emax virgin" joke/remark | Aug 06 16:30 |
| schestowitz | and we managed to keep things in tact when GNOME wanted to quit GNU because some idiots disliked freedom and blamed things on RMS | Aug 06 16:30 |
| akingu | I call it credibility, and it is what I wish to see in people that share my views | Aug 06 16:30 |
| schestowitz | akingu: it is a matter of style | Aug 06 16:31 |
| schestowitz | we vary a bit | Aug 06 16:31 |
| schestowitz | and that's OK | Aug 06 16:31 |
| schestowitz | nobody agrees | Aug 06 16:31 |
| akingu | That is all well and good. This is a different beast | Aug 06 16:31 |
| schestowitz | I agree with your views on hardware issues and sw freedom | Aug 06 16:31 |
| akingu | I dont care if you agree with me at all, in the best of intentions | Aug 06 16:31 |
| schestowitz | I don't share many of your political angles it seems | Aug 06 16:31 |
| akingu | You dont know what my political angles are | Aug 06 16:31 |
| schestowitz | I saw some, witnessed, extrapolated | Aug 06 16:32 |
| akingu | Mistake on your part | Aug 06 16:32 |
| schestowitz | maybe | Aug 06 16:32 |
| schestowitz | I have to generalise a bit, as all creatures do | Aug 06 16:32 |
| akingu | I dont blame you | Aug 06 16:32 |
| schestowitz | mapping one's surroundings | Aug 06 16:32 |
| schestowitz | I would not publish, for instance, someone defending eugenics | Aug 06 16:33 |
| akingu | OK, I still want to know whether you think there is a problem in high-tech today, as it relates to the percentages of miniorities hired in it | Aug 06 16:33 |
| akingu | Because the people of this world that do are not afraid to say they think so. | Aug 06 16:34 |
| schestowitz | the LATimes piece seems to have deeply offended you | Aug 06 16:34 |
| akingu | And that creates a problem where the RMS-es of the world can't defend themselves | Aug 06 16:34 |
| schestowitz | RMS could defend himself | Aug 06 16:35 |
| akingu | Only my sensibilities, i am otherwise unperturbed | Aug 06 16:35 |
| schestowitz | but not enough people spoke out | Aug 06 16:35 |
| schestowitz | and he made some very shitty comments in the past | Aug 06 16:35 |
| akingu | Not against being jewish/white male/old etc | Aug 06 16:35 |
| schestowitz | perhaps inspired by a gnu contributor who had also funded a dutch pedo party | Aug 06 16:35 |
| schestowitz | *founded | Aug 06 16:35 |
| akingu | Well we all say shitty things in the past | Aug 06 16:36 |
| akingu | Maybe or maybe not that was so shitty it is worth bringing up | Aug 06 16:36 |
| schestowitz | I'd not touch with a long bargepole any of that 'pedo right' or 'age of consent change' advocacy groups | Aug 06 16:36 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to RMS before he was canned | Aug 06 16:36 |
| schestowitz | I told him the press was brewing a storm | Aug 06 16:36 |
| schestowitz | and that it may have been a way to divert attention | Aug 06 16:37 |
| schestowitz | he didn't respond effectively enough until it had spun out of control | Aug 06 16:37 |
| schestowitz | and then they brought out his old remarks | Aug 06 16:37 |
| schestowitz | and portrayed him as a zoophile or something | Aug 06 16:37 |
| akingu | Dendrophile from what I remember | Aug 06 16:37 |
| akingu | Flowers and trees | Aug 06 16:38 |
| schestowitz | just reading https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/08/05/censorship-cancel-culture-may-ultimately-be-most-dangerous-social-justice-champions | Aug 06 16:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | The Censorship of 'Cancel Culture' May Ultimately Be Most Dangerous for Social Justice Champions | Common Dreams Views | Aug 06 16:38 | |
| schestowitz | in my list, by coincidence | Aug 06 16:38 |
| akingu | But yes, he has less than stellar remarks on the record | Aug 06 16:38 |
| schestowitz | akingu: no, he remarked on necrophiles too | Aug 06 16:38 |
| akingu | Thats what I meant | Aug 06 16:38 |
| akingu | Assume I know exactly what you know unless it is evident I dont | Aug 06 16:39 |
| schestowitz | your attitudinal approach to all this would likely alienate more than it can help | Aug 06 16:39 |
| schestowitz | by dismissing rather than ignoring minorities whose articles you don't agree with | Aug 06 16:39 |
| akingu | Well, that is a test of your character | Aug 06 16:39 |
| akingu | You escalated one person to a minoritiy, or should I say reduced, and then lopped what you think my opinion of the group is. | Aug 06 16:40 |
| akingu | As far as approach goes, allow me to have a go, provided I dont get anywhere near as loose with my assumptions | Aug 06 16:40 |
| akingu | You think out of control is bad | Aug 06 16:40 |
| MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/12/0ce2d496e83557f4.mp4 | Aug 06 16:40 |
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| akingu | Out of control means others in control, of which they control the narrative | Aug 06 16:41 |
| schestowitz | narrative can be policed | Aug 06 16:41 |
| schestowitz | not the same | Aug 06 16:41 |
| akingu | A narrative that includes attacking on the base of unmutable characterstics | Aug 06 16:41 |
| schestowitz | but the arguments sometimes don't hold water | Aug 06 16:41 |
| akingu | It also features a great deal of social, anecdotal and otherwise ideology based arguments that are not objective | Aug 06 16:42 |
| akingu | What I wish to do is reign everything in on the basis of objective, and that is why some things are OK to me, and some are not | Aug 06 16:42 |
| akingu | The whole point of objective is it takes a bit more time, because it is a reasoned approach | Aug 06 16:43 |
| akingu | I cant appeal to logic without knowing what logic you accept | Aug 06 16:43 |
| akingu | To me, saying there are too few minorities in tech, is the same quality argument as saying there are too many RMS in charge of the FSF | Aug 06 16:43 |
| schestowitz | I never made that argument | Aug 06 16:44 |
| akingu | One doesnt counteract the other, it exceserbates a greater problem | Aug 06 16:44 |
| akingu | I never said you did | Aug 06 16:44 |
| schestowitz | you picked that from an article I linked to in order to mention some historical tidbits | Aug 06 16:44 |
| akingu | What I am saying is that you forwarded it, along with others. What your intention and main point was, is to me beside the point | Aug 06 16:44 |
| schestowitz | so you want to 'cancel' this article | Aug 06 16:45 |
| schestowitz | or site | Aug 06 16:45 |
| schestowitz | LA Times posted some good things | Aug 06 16:45 |
| akingu | If that was one of them, then we disagree | Aug 06 16:45 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/24/dark-cloud-over-works-of-gates-foundation/ | Aug 06 16:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Los Angeles Times Examination of the Gates Foundation (2007) | Techrights | Aug 06 16:45 | |
| akingu | I think it forwards a myth, and a harmful one at that, which is objectivly not true | Aug 06 16:45 |
| MinceR | out of control >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yoRAw9UW8Q | Aug 06 16:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Darude - Out Of Control (Original) - YouTube | Aug 06 16:45 | |
| akingu | DuDuDuDu | Aug 06 16:46 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 06 16:46 |
| akingu | Giving away my age here | Aug 06 16:46 |
| schestowitz | du -sh | Aug 06 16:46 |
| akingu | schestowitz: I neither can or want the public to be able to cancel anything | Aug 06 16:47 |
| akingu | What I am seeking is debate | Aug 06 16:47 |
| akingu | I can try to help you, since we share the same goals, or you can carry on _exactly_ as you did. | Aug 06 16:47 |
| schestowitz | we just did debate this | Aug 06 16:48 |
| akingu | No, you skirted the question | Aug 06 16:48 |
| schestowitz | and I defended what I published, in the form that I did so | Aug 06 16:48 |
| schestowitz | it's an unfair trick question | Aug 06 16:48 |
| akingu | I never attacked your right to do so, I am questioning the rationale | Aug 06 16:48 |
| akingu | It isn't unfair at all | Aug 06 16:48 |
| schestowitz | like "When did you stop beating up the wife?" | Aug 06 16:48 |
| akingu | That is a loaded question, I asked no loaded questions | Aug 06 16:49 |
| schestowitz | you question me in diversity quotes in hiring, which I think are partly misguided in most sectors | Aug 06 16:49 |
| schestowitz | but you put on me that burden in respect to one specific person and article | Aug 06 16:49 |
| schestowitz | (and company) | Aug 06 16:49 |
| akingu | I could ask you regardless of the article whether you think the breakdown of races in high-tech as they are hired into it is grounds to say racism exists in it | Aug 06 16:49 |
| schestowitz | racism exists in society | Aug 06 16:50 |
| MinceR | they're entirely misguided in all sectors | Aug 06 16:50 |
| schestowitz | regardless of where | Aug 06 16:50 |
| akingu | That will always be true | Aug 06 16:50 |
| schestowitz | that includes the workplace, yes | Aug 06 16:50 |
| schestowitz | and hiring processes | Aug 06 16:50 |
| schestowitz | which can be tribalist | Aug 06 16:50 |
| MinceR | preferring one candidate over another on the basis of race is racism, even if you call it "quota" | Aug 06 16:50 |
| schestowitz | people want to work with people like themselves | Aug 06 16:50 |
| MinceR | preferring one candidate over another on the basis of sex is sexism, even if you call it "quota" | Aug 06 16:50 |
| MinceR | etc. | Aug 06 16:50 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: not always | Aug 06 16:51 |
| schestowitz | if you have two toilet booths | Aug 06 16:51 |
| schestowitz | for two genders | Aug 06 16:51 |
| MinceR | when not? | Aug 06 16:51 |
| schestowitz | you might be better off gender-balancing the hires | Aug 06 16:51 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 06 16:51 |
| schestowitz | otherwise you need to send staff to enter opp. sex booths, or wait for it to be empty, or say, "anyone here?" | Aug 06 16:51 |
| akingu | I am strapped in for this | Aug 06 16:51 |
| MinceR | or, instead of putting the cart in front of the horse, i could have fully closed gender-independent toilet booths | Aug 06 16:51 |
| MinceR | the locks could signal whether they're occupied to the outside | Aug 06 16:52 |
| schestowitz | many women don't feel comfortable with this | Aug 06 16:52 |
| schestowitz | and you are not female, so ask one | Aug 06 16:52 |
| schestowitz | because some creeps enter toilte boots | Aug 06 16:52 |
| MinceR | or the toilet situation could be changed when the gender ratio of employees in that place justifies it | Aug 06 16:52 |
| schestowitz | booths | Aug 06 16:52 |
| schestowitz | sometimes not even because they want to use these booths | Aug 06 16:52 |
| schestowitz | which lack cameras for obvious reasons | Aug 06 16:52 |
| akingu | OK, to reign in the question. Is it racism if the breakdown of races in the high-tech workforce isn't ecactly that of general society? | Aug 06 16:52 |
| MinceR | no | Aug 06 16:53 |
| akingu | I will add my no too | Aug 06 16:53 |
| MinceR | it could be the effect of racism, but that would have to be proven | Aug 06 16:53 |
| akingu | Indeed | Aug 06 16:53 |
| schestowitz | you are talking about "affirmative action", which is another matter | Aug 06 16:53 |
| MinceR | another name for racism, etc. | Aug 06 16:53 |
| schestowitz | some call it "positive discrimination" | Aug 06 16:53 |
| akingu | No, outside of affirmative action | Aug 06 16:54 |
| akingu | Lets call it every high-tech company with fewer than 500 employees in the US | Aug 06 16:54 |
| akingu | (where to my understanding diversity hiring isn't a requirement) | Aug 06 16:55 |
| akingu | And just forget that routing them into 500+ companies depletes the pool | Aug 06 16:55 |
| schestowitz | genders are not identical | Aug 06 16:56 |
| schestowitz | contrary to what we're 'supposed' to think | Aug 06 16:56 |
| schestowitz | men are physically stronger | Aug 06 16:56 |
| schestowitz | because of genetics and hormones | Aug 06 16:56 |
| schestowitz | and women are socially inclined, by expectation, to nest more | Aug 06 16:56 |
| MinceR | doesn't apply to all individuals | Aug 06 16:56 |
| schestowitz | there are also natural instincts associated with nurturing babies etc | Aug 06 16:57 |
| akingu | socially | Aug 06 16:57 |
| schestowitz | I think realists take that into account when hiring | Aug 06 16:57 |
| schestowitz | it's not a taboo subject yet | Aug 06 16:57 |
| schestowitz | that's why we have maternity leave now | Aug 06 16:57 |
| akingu | That doesnt change matters | Aug 06 16:57 |
| akingu | Is there or isn't there a huge prejudice working for men and east-asians in high-tech? | Aug 06 16:58 |
| akingu | The balance isn't just a little lopsided wrt. society, it is quite extreme. | Aug 06 16:58 |
| akingu | So, is that racism at play? | Aug 06 16:58 |
| schestowitz | define racism by your own optics | Aug 06 16:59 |
| schestowitz | racism is more broad a term than people think | Aug 06 16:59 |
| schestowitz | racism is identification of races or by race | Aug 06 16:59 |
| akingu | Is it a racist effect that the balance is not even | Aug 06 17:00 |
| schestowitz | so racism can just be rather harmless in some contexts, but today's it's de facto always the negative connotation | Aug 06 17:00 |
| schestowitz | balance is not objective, universal | Aug 06 17:00 |
| schestowitz | you can balance with mean, median, weighted differently | Aug 06 17:00 |
| akingu | I seem to imply it working for east-asians and men | Aug 06 17:00 |
| schestowitz | there are more women than men | Aug 06 17:01 |
| schestowitz | so you might say balance would be more women in the workplace than men | Aug 06 17:01 |
| akingu | That there are more women than men just makes the imbalance greater | Aug 06 17:01 |
| schestowitz | east asian by which I assume you mean CKJ | Aug 06 17:01 |
| akingu | CKJ? | Aug 06 17:01 |
| schestowitz | china korea japan | Aug 06 17:02 |
| schestowitz | you're lumping in many states | Aug 06 17:02 |
| akingu | yes | Aug 06 17:02 |
| schestowitz | not just wethnicities and dialects | Aug 06 17:02 |
| schestowitz | they can't even stand one another | Aug 06 17:02 |
| schestowitz | like "Turk-Greek" | Aug 06 17:02 |
| schestowitz | "Israeli-Palestinian" | Aug 06 17:02 |
| schestowitz | "Bosnian-whatever" | Aug 06 17:02 |
| akingu | It isn't a difficult question to answer | Aug 06 17:02 |
| schestowitz | if you categorise them so broadly, some would say it's racist | Aug 06 17:02 |
| akingu | And I don't care | Aug 06 17:03 |
| schestowitz | because you assume like 1.7 billion people to be the same group | Aug 06 17:03 |
| MinceR | some would say everything is racist | Aug 06 17:03 |
| MinceR | and humans can't stand one another anyway | Aug 06 17:03 |
| akingu | No, which is why I said east-asian | Aug 06 17:03 |
| schestowitz | which country? | Aug 06 17:03 |
| schestowitz | China also has many races | Aug 06 17:03 |
| schestowitz | and they don't like each other too much | Aug 06 17:03 |
| schestowitz | CPC uses that to justify censorship | Aug 06 17:03 |
| akingu | Could you overlook the slight inaccuracies to focus on my point | Aug 06 17:04 |
| schestowitz | like Han supremacists | Aug 06 17:04 |
| schestowitz | no, because it's loaded | Aug 06 17:04 |
| akingu | There clearly are more men in high-tech, is that a product of prejudice? | Aug 06 17:04 |
| schestowitz | like Trump with "JYNA" | Aug 06 17:04 |
| akingu | We agree on what men are I hope? | Aug 06 17:04 |
| akingu | And we have both noticed not many females in high-tech(?) | Aug 06 17:04 |
| schestowitz | there are more men in science, in general | Aug 06 17:05 |
| schestowitz | also in schools | Aug 06 17:05 |
| akingu | Not in schools, but science yes | Aug 06 17:05 |
| schestowitz | they don't need physical strengths for these disciplines | Aug 06 17:05 |
| schestowitz | but are inclined, maybe socially, to excel in them | Aug 06 17:05 |
| akingu | That isn't really what I asked | Aug 06 17:05 |
| schestowitz | it makes them more likely to attract "better" females (or males) | Aug 06 17:05 |
| akingu | I am saying, can you say so without evidence | Aug 06 17:06 |
| akingu | Why would you say "Minority underrepresentation in high tech has been present since the earliest days of the industry" is a credible statement? | Aug 06 17:08 |
| schestowitz | I did not say that | Aug 06 17:08 |
| schestowitz | ask clyde if that was his name | Aug 06 17:09 |
| akingu | Not saying you said it | Aug 06 17:09 |
| akingu | But if you publish it, that is something I hold to your name | Aug 06 17:09 |
| schestowitz | that's a very poor debating tactic, with respect | Aug 06 17:09 |
| schestowitz | you traffic to me someone else's essay | Aug 06 17:10 |
| schestowitz | and then demand I justify it | Aug 06 17:10 |
| schestowitz | wtf lol | Aug 06 17:10 |
| akingu | Here is why I am doing it | Aug 06 17:10 |
| schestowitz | I did not publish it, and it is not even text | Aug 06 17:10 |
| schestowitz | it's a bloody screenshot lol | Aug 06 17:10 |
| akingu | That argument is piss poor, and erroneous. I am not writing for a publication that forwards it without critique | Aug 06 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Look what I highlighted | Aug 06 17:11 |
| schestowitz | let's reverse the table | Aug 06 17:11 |
| schestowitz | there are two bits there | Aug 06 17:11 |
| akingu | It is much more dangerous than every other thing we mutually agree is cancel culture | Aug 06 17:11 |
| akingu | (in my view) | Aug 06 17:11 |
| schestowitz | do you agree with the part about Jamaica? | Aug 06 17:11 |
| akingu | No | Aug 06 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Do you think eugenics there was OK? | Aug 06 17:11 |
| schestowitz | OK, about SA apartheid | Aug 06 17:11 |
| akingu | No | Aug 06 17:11 |
| schestowitz | is it OK? | Aug 06 17:11 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Aug 06 17:11 |
| schestowitz | that's it | Aug 06 17:11 |
| schestowitz | that's what the article was about | Aug 06 17:11 |
| akingu | Not willing to dismiss it | Aug 06 17:12 |
| schestowitz | IBM profited from both | Aug 06 17:12 |
| schestowitz | because it could not care less who it sold to and what for | Aug 06 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Like today's Microsoft | Aug 06 17:12 |
| akingu | It was a lot better than both what preceeded it, and followed it, in SA | Aug 06 17:12 |
| schestowitz | ICE, JEDI, now the TikTok poopoo | Aug 06 17:12 |
| akingu | So did every other corporation in the world | Aug 06 17:12 |
| schestowitz | bad | Aug 06 17:12 |
| akingu | Bar who? | Aug 06 17:12 |
| schestowitz | let's stop this | Aug 06 17:12 |
| akingu | No | Aug 06 17:13 |
| schestowitz | let's shame them | Aug 06 17:13 |
| schestowitz | until they stop | Aug 06 17:13 |
| schestowitz | the licence won't stop them | Aug 06 17:13 |
| schestowitz | bad PR might | Aug 06 17:13 |
| akingu | And that is when you get current SA | Aug 06 17:13 |
| akingu | That is a bloodbath | Aug 06 17:13 |
| akingu | And nobody cares to say anything about it, because it isn't as convenient | Aug 06 17:13 |
| schestowitz | those who love and yearn for resegregation love this SA narrative | Aug 06 17:14 |
| schestowitz | remember who was there first | Aug 06 17:14 |
| schestowitz | in SA | Aug 06 17:14 |
| schestowitz | and what the assertion of apartheid was | Aug 06 17:14 |
| akingu | The line of reasoning suggests IBM instrumented eugenics, which is a claim without given evidence | Aug 06 17:14 |
| schestowitz | it's 1920s | Aug 06 17:14 |
| schestowitz | you could fetch national archives to that effect | Aug 06 17:14 |
| schestowitz | I got some that I could find about Watson | Aug 06 17:14 |
| akingu | The argument of who was there first isn't clear cut | Aug 06 17:15 |
| schestowitz | but some predate telegram in record form, or online access | Aug 06 17:15 |
| schestowitz | what, in SA? | Aug 06 17:15 |
| akingu | yes | Aug 06 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Europeans were not therre first | Aug 06 17:15 |
| schestowitz | you could look at fossil records | Aug 06 17:15 |
| akingu | In what capacity? | Aug 06 17:15 |
| schestowitz | nomads | Aug 06 17:15 |
| akingu | Right | Aug 06 17:15 |
| akingu | But then again nomads werent everywhere | Aug 06 17:16 |
| schestowitz | they're humans too | Aug 06 17:16 |
| akingu | Uncontested point | Aug 06 17:16 |
| schestowitz | let them live there, based on the flawed concept of 'private land" | Aug 06 17:16 |
| akingu | It isn't a flawed concept at all | Aug 06 17:16 |
| schestowitz | territorialism with 'theft' of so-called 'rights' is a more European concepts | Aug 06 17:16 |
| schestowitz | animals have no such concept | Aug 06 17:16 |
| schestowitz | they fight for their place | Aug 06 17:17 |
| akingu | Come on | Aug 06 17:17 |
| akingu | What do you think "private land" is? | Aug 06 17:17 |
| schestowitz | I pay with some currency to assert that by some state-imposed decree this piece of the planet is "mine" | Aug 06 17:17 |
| akingu | Find some credible claim to IBM being involved in eugenics | Aug 06 17:17 |
| schestowitz | and you could debate that too | Aug 06 17:17 |
| schestowitz | some people claimed to 'own' their slaves | Aug 06 17:18 |
| schestowitz | and sold them accordingly | Aug 06 17:18 |
| akingu | Which even in the most damning variant of, it if isn't current IBM, why are you bringing it up? | Aug 06 17:18 |
| akingu | Right, also a pre-european concept in Africa | Aug 06 17:18 |
| akingu | I gotta eat something, starving | Aug 06 17:18 |
| akingu | I don't believe in "the enemy of my enemy is not my friend" | Aug 06 17:19 |
| akingu | It it is a weakness waiting to be exploited, and you are making it (in my opinion) easy | Aug 06 17:20 |
| schestowitz | IBM has shown signs of inability to change | Aug 06 17:24 |
| schestowitz | IWB's IBM supported Linux | Aug 06 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Virginia supported Apple | Aug 06 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Palmisano was OK | Aug 06 17:24 |
| schestowitz | the new one is a bit of an unknown | Aug 06 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Krishna seems OK on the surface, I'm still undecided on that | Aug 06 17:25 |
| schestowitz | IBM is NOT an enemy of Microsoft | Aug 06 17:25 |
| schestowitz | it used to be under old management | Aug 06 17:25 |
| schestowitz | before Virginia | Aug 06 17:25 |
| schestowitz | they supported ODF and pushed GNU/Linux | Aug 06 17:25 |
| schestowitz | now not so much | Aug 06 17:25 |
| schestowitz | they even boost Github and stuff... | Aug 06 17:25 |
| schestowitz | same category as amazon almost | Aug 06 17:26 |
| psydread | these companies are all in the same boat fighting off the real enemy, that is new companies and groups of people who would like to realise a future without them | Aug 06 17:27 |
| psydread | enemies in the marketplace and friends on the golf court | Aug 06 17:28 |
| schestowitz | hence acronyms like GAFAM and GiaFaM | Aug 06 17:29 |
| kingoffrance | if corporations want to "live forever" i dont see how it is unfair to bring up things from decades ago -- they want all the power and none of the responsibility | Aug 06 17:33 |
| kingoffrance | legally we are supposed to pretend they are the same | Aug 06 17:33 |
| kingoffrance | and that they just magically perpetually exist | Aug 06 17:34 |
| kingoffrance | cant have it both ways | Aug 06 17:34 |
| kingoffrance | gonna side with schestowitz re: ibm | Aug 06 17:34 |
| schestowitz | "companies change" | Aug 06 17:37 |
| schestowitz | "they change target" | Aug 06 17:37 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Aug 06 17:37 |
| schestowitz | "because profit is attained differently" | Aug 06 17:37 |
| schestowitz | "racism is not profitable anymore" | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | "now we do social justice" | Aug 06 17:38 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | "and oil companies" | Aug 06 17:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Insstagram has TikTok like features now apparently. | Aug 06 17:39 |
| kingoffrance | it might also be unfair, but ibm is not some young scrappy startup, i might buy "sympathy" more for something that isnt superhyperglobalmegacorp, rightly or wrongly | Aug 06 17:39 |
| psydread | MS may be buying another turd | Aug 06 17:40 |
| psydread | XRevan86 and I know quite a bit about those by now | Aug 06 17:40 |
| akingu | kingoffrance: They don't want to live forever, maybe conglomerate power. One of which is cancel-culture, and feeding into it extends that power. | Aug 06 17:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That would be hilarious. Facebook probably won't get worse than it is now. | Aug 06 17:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Byt they may end up destroying the value of TikTok after Microsoft pays then $30 billion . | Aug 06 17:41 |
| akingu | schestowitz: Let me instead try my hand in your style of argument | Aug 06 17:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft never just leaves a product alone once they have it. | Aug 06 17:41 |
| akingu | schestowitz: You are saying eugenics are something to be used against the credibility of IBM | Aug 06 17:42 |
| kingoffrance | well its mortmain -- dead hands. they live forever by virtue of not being alive in a human sense | Aug 06 17:42 |
| kingoffrance | aka legal fiction as someone pointed out a week or so ago | Aug 06 17:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Skype got so much worse. It went from at least having a native Linux application to an Electron app or a web app that says sorry you aren't using Edge or Chrome. | Aug 06 17:42 |
| akingu | What you are unwilling to do is denounce claims that hiring practices are racist | Aug 06 17:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Vivaldi didn't mention Skype Web, but that's one that broke if it said Vivaldi. | Aug 06 17:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They said Chrome and it works. | Aug 06 17:43 |
| akingu | This means you are complicit in supporting a genetical pressure in the marketplace of employment | Aug 06 17:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So their search partner, Bing, screwed them because it led users to a search engine that recommended email and Skype that said get Chrome or Edge. | Aug 06 17:43 |
| akingu | Thereby you are enacting eugenics, which is precicely what that is, on the basis of race. | Aug 06 17:44 |
| akingu | See how easy that is when you grant me a haphazard text to play with? Not only is my argument better, it uses your point against you. That will happen if you get onboard the cancel train. | Aug 06 17:45 |
| psydread | I had a Skype account since ages ago and they would keep flagging it and even suspending it because I didn't have an @outlook.com address associated with it | Aug 06 17:45 |
| akingu | Doing the same, is a far cry from pointing out the hypocricy of what it would be to do so. And it isn't a good argument to begin with | Aug 06 17:46 |
| psydread | which was never needed in the pre-MS or the pre-Ebay days | Aug 06 17:46 |
| akingu | schestowitz: Which one do you like, the rational argument, or the gotcha style? | Aug 06 17:47 |
| akingu | psydread: From what I gathered MS was only buying TikTok operations "in the US", which is strange | Aug 06 17:48 |
| akingu | And TikTok was forced to sell on a deadline of 30 days. I didnt factcheck, but that is China style market manipulation | Aug 06 17:50 |
| akingu | India banned TikTok, and that is taking the high-road. Answering in the same vein is counterproductive. | Aug 06 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Like Microsoft hijacked Yahoo search 'only in the US' | Aug 06 17:52 |
| akingu | Well they bought a Yahoo that wanted to sell(?) | Aug 06 17:53 |
| akingu | The MS motivation is probably the same, but the government meddling is new | Aug 06 17:54 |
| akingu | from the US government that is (?) | Aug 06 17:54 |
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| akingu | schestowitz: I breifly say you mentioning harry potter. Yes that is what happens when you play the game | Aug 06 17:56 |
| akingu | At some point you just have some concept of objective reality that you arent willing to part with | Aug 06 17:56 |
| akingu | And you already think men are men (from what I gathered), so you are playing a losing hand by getting into it | Aug 06 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | Yahoo was infiltrated | Aug 06 18:08 |
| schestowitz | techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_Hijack_of_Yahoo | Aug 06 18:08 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/04/satya-ballmer-trump/ | Aug 06 18:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Nadella is Doing With Donald Trump What Ballmer Did With Elop and Icahn to Steal Other Companies (Nokia and Yahoo, Respectively) | Techrights | Aug 06 18:09 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I didn't like Skype and didn't want their damned "upgrade" from MSNP. | Aug 06 18:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MSNP was a simple protocol that did what it was supposed to and on the client side you could have all Free Software. | Aug 06 18:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We're just totally out of chat services, almost, that don't require some bloated web app with 10 times the memory footprint of Windows XP. | Aug 06 18:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft leans on you to install an Electron app that has no extra features over Skype in a browser tab. | Aug 06 18:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My guess is if they lean that hard, they want out of your browser sandbox so they can crawl your computer and eavesdrop on you. | Aug 06 18:23 |
| psydread | at some point it's just not worth using such things | Aug 06 18:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I hate Skype and the need for such an app like it has been waning. | Aug 06 18:25 |
| schestowitz | use landline :-) | Aug 06 18:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that Apple is kind of dumb for not porting Facetime to Android. | Aug 06 18:26 |
| schestowitz | maybe they don't know how to | Aug 06 18:26 |
| schestowitz | all they do is cocoa and chacha | Aug 06 18:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's obvious that there's like 80% who are never going to use an iPhone and it would make owning an iPhone more useful if you could talk to Android phones on Facetime. | Aug 06 18:27 |
| schestowitz | FaceAheadOfTime | Aug 06 18:27 |
| schestowitz | they see you before you even answer the call :-) | Aug 06 18:27 |
| schestowitz | oops, nsa easter egg found? | Aug 06 18:27 |
| schestowitz | "achievement unlocked, ma!" | Aug 06 18:28 |
| schestowitz | when trump goes tweeting from his toilet seat | Aug 06 18:28 |
| schestowitz | and you know his phone number | Aug 06 18:28 |
| schestowitz | that's when things get fun for foreign intel'', gathering shots of his lower anus | Aug 06 18:29 |
| schestowitz | (not the mouth) | Aug 06 18:29 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz Yeah, I have a landline in the hotel room but it's local calls only. | Aug 06 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's weird how they still charge for long distance on landlines. | Aug 06 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I remember when I was a kid and my dad would always remind me if I had to make a long distance call get off the phone quickly because it was costing him money. | Aug 06 18:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then you had to have a local phome company and a long distance company, it was weird. | Aug 06 18:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There was competition for long distance, but not local. | Aug 06 18:44 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | CNBC is on at the car repair place. | Aug 06 19:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is looking like QVC for stocks. | Aug 06 19:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're blasting how stocks are going up up and away and how the stimulus will save us all. | Aug 06 19:04 |
| akingu | If fewer people are working, and the wealth accumlated is on the stock-market, how is that a save? | Aug 06 19:31 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Meh... | Aug 06 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've been spending on getting the car working correctly again. | Aug 06 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pretty much no matter how many repairs it needs, it's not bordering on even the monthly payments of a cheap Kia these days, much less with insurance bills. | Aug 06 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know how many years I can run the 2003 Impala. Maybe 4-5 more if I'm lucky. Asked about some rust repairs today. | Aug 06 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | grind, sand, fill, spray | Aug 06 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you can get all of the rust off and down to the metal and then do some filler and spray, it shouldn't come back there again, at least not while I'm interested in driving it. | Aug 06 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <akingu "If fewer people are working, and"> They're saying the stock market is "richly valued" and it's "hard to find good deals". | Aug 06 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, it's amazing. Your Central Bank starts buying everything while actual people are running for gold, silver, and Bitcoins and the market can be "richly valued" by the Fed, apparently. | Aug 06 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People who have money to invest, and there still are some, are not going after Junk bonds that nobody will ever pay back, risky government debt, and stocks that are just being pumped up by the Fed as Trump's election stunt. | Aug 06 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You'd never know that watching these CNBC and Business Insider people because their job....I mean, Jim Cramer is a loud asshole that has probably lost a sum total of tens or hundreds of billions of dollars to any Baby Boomer who tuned in for the duration and did what they told him to do. He's such a bad advisor that he actually started at CNBC after losing his equity clients a ton of money. | Aug 06 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you did what I call the "Reverse Cramer" over the last 20 years, you'd be loaded. | Aug 06 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway, back to the car. I'm just glad that mom took it somewhere that flushed out that GM DeathCool nonsense early on. | Aug 06 21:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or I might be looking at head gasket failure already. | Aug 06 21:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GM started putting it into a car that they were discontinuing anyway. The Chevy Corsica for the 1995 model year. It's organic acid coolant. Great, right? Wrong. It "protects the water pump a little better", at the cost of eating through all of the gaskets it flows past, eventually. | Aug 06 21:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | By the time they actually put gaskets in that could withstand it much better, it was too late. They had 11 model years of cars out where people were having to replace head gaskets, intakes, you name it. | Aug 06 21:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course, GM being what they are, they denied that there was a problem and waited for a class action lawsuit, and then settled for "cost of repairs" if you provided them an invoice with a mechanic saying that in their opinion, "DexCool" was the reason the gaskets failed. | Aug 06 21:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: "Modern" is not just for software. B-) | Aug 06 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "We are improving the design. Pray we improve it no further." | Aug 06 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So every time its been in the shop and needed some coolant for whatever reason I tell them "Remember. GREEN ONLY. Do not use DexCool.". | Aug 06 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Do not use anything with organic acid technology in my car." | Aug 06 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: GM DexCool is definitely the best way to blow out a head gasket and foul a spark plug with engine coolant. | Aug 06 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you're ever in the market for that, I highly recommend DexCool. | Aug 06 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, my experience with the Corsica, as I recall (head gasket) is when I told Ingalls to completely flush mom's car out and replace it with green back around 2005 I think. | Aug 06 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said "Just flush it out twice to make sure you got it.". | Aug 06 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nothing bad should happen with Green as long as it's only Green and you didn't mix them. This car has been running that was for 15 years and the innards of the engine and radiator are fine. | Aug 06 21:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Whenever GM says "This recall service will replace the affected part with a new part of an improved design.", I laugh. | Aug 06 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Well, the last one was setting people's house on fire when the car exploded in the garage, so here's hoping the design has improved.". | Aug 06 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Exploding Impala? Seen it. Covered it. We are Farmers. Dum da da dum dum dum! | Aug 06 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just another excellent reason to bundle your auto and homeowners and save! | Aug 06 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Since that one was a government mandated recall it didn't have an end date. So I pull this thing in and the salesman says "Do you want to trade it in for a 2019 Impala?" I go "Hahahahahahaaaa! Oh boy. You need to quit your job and become a stand up comedian.". | Aug 06 21:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "You know, I really would consider it, except that you're asking $60,000 for a car that will probably be outlived by this 2003.". | Aug 06 21:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh yeah, they'll be towing that fucker off right after the payments end, probably. If it lasts that long. | Aug 06 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've heard a lot of people say buying a 2013+ Impala was the worst mistake they ever made. Some of them had the extended warranty and GM ended up replacing the entire transmission 3 or 4 times before it ever hit 100,000 miles. | Aug 06 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mine's coming up on 300,000. It's been rebuilt once (100,000), but these CVT transmissions are just junk. | Aug 06 21:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You'll probably kill five of them before your payments end if you try to tow anything. | Aug 06 21:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I'm hearing that Trump may have overpaid by as much as $500 million for the ventilators. | Aug 06 21:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "The Art of the Deal". Have to keep GM going even while they fuck their union workers, move to China, and manage to fall behind BMW on reliability. | Aug 06 21:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I just really can't say enough bad things about GM. The only reason I'm driving one is because it's what mom buys for some reason. She has an air conditioner relay on her 2011 that is making woodpecker noises and the guy at the shop says, "You know, we really don't see these things fail because of that. They're just really loud. GM hasn't managed to fix that, so we can take your money, but it'll never be right. I've | Aug 06 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | had one guy in here insisting on replacing it three times already and it's already doing it again.". | Aug 06 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Electronic circuitry. How's that work? | Aug 06 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Linus Torvalds said that since the 1960s, humans have not had enough time to evolve in any meaningful way, but it was apparently long enough for them to forget how hardware works. | Aug 06 21:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think he might have been taking a jab at Intel. GM and Intel share that. They forgot how hardware works and have shoved a lot of things that shouldn't work that way into their recent stuff because they know it'll blow up and you'll give up and buy a new car. The problem with this for Intel is that AMD sells compatible computer processors. The problem for GM is that there are now 23 brands that you can buy in the US | Aug 06 21:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | that will all serve you better than theirs. | Aug 06 21:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The 2003 Impala is actually designed worse than the 2002 Impala, which used cast aluminum for the upper and lower intakes. Cast aluminum shouldn't just crack. It can happen, but it doesn't do it often, even after 25 years. The intake manifolds on a 2002 will last longer than anyone owns it, probably. | Aug 06 21:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They switched over to plastic, which in my case lasted 16 years on the lower intake and 17 years on the uppers. So to cheap out and go "Oh, they'll never know." GM switched to this stuff in 2003 and took the life of $1,000 worth of engine work down by 8 years or more. | Aug 06 21:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you really want to cut the life expectancy of your engine, put turbochargers in it. | Aug 06 21:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | BMW has engines with two of them in there. | Aug 06 21:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They put more pressure on the vacuum lines, the pistons, the walls of the combustion chamber...the turbos themselves need rebuilt, the intakes (plastic), the air ducts (plastic), the valve covers (plastic). You go through spark plugs twice as fast. | Aug 06 21:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're fun to drive, but they're not built to last. | Aug 06 21:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Did you see that article about them buying a used GM vehicle with one of those "built in infotainment centers" and dumping the hard drive? | Aug 06 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh yeah, spinning metal hard drive with proprietary computer software in a car that is hitting bumps. | Aug 06 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | VERY ROBUST! | Aug 06 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm wondering if someone could dump it all out and copy it straight over to an SSD and connect it with an adapter system. | Aug 06 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At least that way you have something solid state that's in there that doesn't care if it's bouncing around. | Aug 06 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh those car parts stores are fun. I once had a speaker blow out on a 1992 Lumina and I said, "Oh yeah, how much for a speaker?". The guy goes, "$9.99". I'm like "Cool!" , so I go over there and buy it and then he says "Well, you need a $39.99 adapter for it.". I said, "No I don't. I need my pocket knife and some electrical tape.". | Aug 06 21:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, I don't think I'm ever going to carry a knife again. I learned last time that it doesn't matter if it's a fucking 2" blade in your pocket. The police will say you had a "deadly weapon" while you assaulted someone by shouting at them. | Aug 06 21:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a set up. You can't even carry a pocket knife, which every man used to have, without the state putting it in an evidence bag and using it to fuck you harder if you ever get arrested for anything. | Aug 06 22:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Illinois is basically Matthew Garrett's wet dream. It's ran by a bunch of fucking pussies who are singing Soprano, like him. | Aug 06 22:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're on a mission to make not only American and World History illegal to teach to kids, but to be a man. | Aug 06 22:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The problem with the far-right, of course, is to prove how "manly" they are, they refuse to wear face masks and are taking the brunt of the death toll from this pandemic. | Aug 06 22:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's so lopsided it's not even close. | Aug 06 22:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Given the demographics that the virus is most likely to kill and their behavior, if we passed 160,000 dead Americans, I'd venture to say that probably 100,000 of them were Republicans, if they voted. | Aug 06 22:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mom simply does not want to hear the facts and the evidence, which is that for every 100 Democrats, 93 are wearing masks, and out of 100 Republicans, only 64 are. | Aug 06 22:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is self-reporting to the AP/NORC tracking poll. | Aug 06 22:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's looking like 200,000 dead by early September in the US, of COVID-19. | Aug 06 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's done 10 years (120 months) of flu deaths in a little over 5 months. | Aug 06 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, well, my family members, who are nurses, were dismissive of my suggestion in late March that we were looking at anywhere from 350,000 to 1.2 million dead 12 months in depending on exactly how deadly the virus ended up being. | Aug 06 22:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 350,000-400,000 is on the lower end of my estimate from late March and I'm not an expert, I just ran the numbers assuming various mortality rates and how fast it would spread and how many hospital beds there were in each region of the country. | Aug 06 22:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What the survival rates were once a person was on a ventilator (50% or so). | Aug 06 22:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My 1.2 million figure was that the thing had a very high rate of infection and nobody mandated face masks and nobody much cooperated with handwashing and stuff. | Aug 06 22:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 350,000 was my "mitigation" figure, baking in the likelihood that Trump continued doing worse than nothing at the federal level and half the states cared and half didn't. | Aug 06 22:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So we'll end up about where my "best case with Trump" numbers were at. | Aug 06 22:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At this point it's less about slowing the spread for me and more about lasting long enough while avoiding it that there's a vaccine. I really hope my mom and cousins get over their "Facebook Degree" level of knowledge of vaccines, which is appalling for nurses. One of my cousins even smokes.....during this. | Aug 06 22:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Roy might be right that even if Trump is correct about pulling out all the stops on the vaccine and we get a "dodgy experiment" in January, I'd say that's better than the odds a 63 year old woman has with COVID-19. I'd say the odds of vaccine related injury that is serious from this, based on the human studies so far, is maybe 1%. The odds of dying if you stand around and wait for COVID-19 is like 20% maybe? | Aug 06 22:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It goes up. For an 80 year old man it's close to 1 in 3. Very deadly. | Aug 06 22:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We're just not very good at Coronavirus vaccines. It's literally.... Most Coronaviruses are the "Common Cold", so nobody has much taken them seriously, and where they have flared up, they were so aggressive about spreading fast and killing quickly that they were suppressed while they were still in China or the Middle East or South Korea when it was SARS or MERS. | Aug 06 22:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, our healthcare system prioritizes what people with money want, because my mom was successful in her voting all of these years, and now we have Viagra and Male Pattern Baldness treatments and god help you if you end up in the hospital. | Aug 06 22:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | On the far-right, which is taking over Facebook it's like "Don't trust this infectious disease expert. Here's a guy named Steve holding up a fish whose profile picture is a truck. He says don't worry!". | Aug 06 22:20 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Next thing schestowitz will want is something to show for his tax money supporting the Queen. | Aug 06 23:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Buckingham Palace tried to sign up for a poor relief program in the UK to help low income people heat their home. They complained that it was costing them a lot of money to heat the place. | Aug 06 23:16 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Then when the news reported on that, they went all "no comment" and retracted their application. | Aug 06 23:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's nice to know that probably 500 families who needed the help would get cut off so that the Queen can stay warm in her palace. | Aug 06 23:16 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I think their argument went something like the Queen qualified for the poor relief as the law was written. | Aug 06 23:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, I think the law probably needs an amendment if the Queen qualifies for income-based heating assistance for a palace. | Aug 06 23:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then here they are in the UK, right, cutting people off from food assistance to the point where some of them haven't had anything to eat in 8 days by the time they see their caseworkers. | Aug 06 23:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They actually do much, much less for the poor there in many ways, it seem, than the US does. | Aug 06 23:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's saying something. | Aug 06 23:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you're hungry here there's lots of places where they'll give you basic food to last a few days at a time, and the Sikhs, they have a free dinner every night for anyone who needs it. They consider it a mandate apparently, to help the poor. | Aug 06 23:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Imagine that, a religion that is interested in helping people. | Aug 06 23:21 |
| MinceR | weird | Aug 06 23:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I know, I know. We're jaded here. We're used to the ones who find out they're molesting kids and the priest suddenly needs to serve at a church in a country with no extradition treaty. | Aug 06 23:21 |
| MinceR | (no audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/12/cf0c27c0903e4aa2.mp4 | Aug 06 23:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which is totally not a flight to escape justice, mind you. | Aug 06 23:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Here's some financial compensation for shutting up. If you can just sign the Non-Disclosure forms here, here, initial there.... | Aug 06 23:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've heard that rape is less about having sex and enjoying it and more about power over a victim. | Aug 06 23:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Right before my mom got divorced from her second husband, his grandson raped two of his own sisters. | Aug 06 23:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The cops went and arrested him and he went to juvie for a while. Now he's out and the record is sealed. Nice, huh? | Aug 06 23:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When the detective asked him why he did that he said "I wanted to have sex.". | Aug 06 23:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone like that should never see daylight again. | Aug 06 23:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then while he was talking to the police, he thought it would be a neat idea to try to get them after me. | Aug 06 23:25 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | So while he was in there, he said that he saw me looking at porn on my computer (impossible because when I lived there the computer was in my bedroom and the door locked. | Aug 06 23:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the police started an investigation of me, that I was unaware of at the time. | Aug 06 23:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They started questioning my mom, her husband, my brother, Trent's victims....everyone. | Aug 06 23:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they all vouched for me to the detective and the detective went back and talked to Trent some more (again I had no idea this was even going on), and he said "I lied to you because I thought it would help me.". | Aug 06 23:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Yes, I had this little incestuous pervert making scandalous accusations against me and it was only after the police said, "You know, we're not buying this." that he confessed that he made the whole thing up. | Aug 06 23:29 |
| schestowitz | catching up | Aug 06 23:30 |
| schestowitz | just woke up | Aug 06 23:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So my mom comes to tell me that there was a police investigation of me that sprung out of this, briefly, and I was fit to be tied after hearing it. | Aug 06 23:30 |
| schestowitz | I think I remember that incident | Aug 06 23:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, if they charge it and it goes to court, you're finished. | Aug 06 23:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You think the normal show trials are bad, wait until this happens. | Aug 06 23:33 |
| schestowitz | US just passed 5 million cases, I see | Aug 06 23:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Happened to my cousin's husband because his ex wife was mad at him. | Aug 06 23:33 |
| schestowitz | lots of people with health problems for years to come | Aug 06 23:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He did 2 years in the slammer and he's on ankle monitoring and THE LIST. | Aug 06 23:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | While he was in jail, HE got raped and beaten. | Aug 06 23:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He'll never be the same person again. | Aug 06 23:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The story the woman told just didn't add up, and she kept changing it. | Aug 06 23:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The prosecutor indicted him anyway. | Aug 06 23:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Never underestimate the state when it wants to make something up out of whole cloth. | Aug 06 23:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The "every woman deserves to be believed!" people have only made false accusations worse. | Aug 06 23:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "lots of people with health probl"> Most of them already had health problems. | Aug 06 23:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Illinois numbers getting bad again. | Aug 06 23:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I bought some cloth face masks to wear under my KN95. | Aug 06 23:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's an effort to breathe under all of that, but it's workable for short durations inside the store, post office, and car repair shop. | Aug 06 23:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've ended up with a "partial engine rebuild" over the last year that has expanded to mean almost all of the plastic and rubber. Makes me kind of sick to think about. | Aug 06 23:43 |
| schestowitz | i wear double (masks) now | Aug 06 23:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had them do a compression test before the upper intake and fuel regulator and vacuum line repair, and after. | Aug 06 23:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Suggests the rest of the engine is in good condition, so I don't feel like a big idiot. | Aug 06 23:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "i wear double (masks) now"> I have been since early April. | Aug 06 23:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even with surgical masks, doubling them showed benefit in a study on pandemic flu. | Aug 06 23:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: By book value, I'm crazy for repairing this car. | Aug 06 23:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But they are influenced more by people wanting to sell new cars. | Aug 06 23:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They want to rapidly depreciate your car using a formula that you're not allowed to know. | Aug 06 23:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That way they can get you going "It needs repairs and the book says....". | Aug 06 23:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you go to the dealer and they give you some bubble gum and Bennigan's coupons to "take it off your hands". | Aug 06 23:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Their new tricks is putting so many things in there that only the dealer can work on, and then telling you the dealer wants triple for labor hours that other shops do. | Aug 06 23:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I called Chevy to see what a new upper intake kit with labor hours would cost me. Wasn't pretty. | Aug 06 23:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They came back at me for $1,295. This shop I go to charged me $500. | Aug 06 23:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: I am about to publish the 4th file | Aug 06 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Jones | Aug 06 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's just comical, really. Then amidst these repairs I came across a "service adviser" from a dealership in Houston who wrote "Please stop calling us the Stealership.". | Aug 06 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I will when they cut this shit out. | Aug 06 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "Jones"> How did you get these? You said they won't release them if you're not an American. | Aug 06 23:55 |
| schestowitz | here http://techrights.org/2020/08/06/gates-eng-police-search/ | Aug 06 23:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Release: Several Police Reports About Searching the Home of Bill Gates’ Engineer (Stockpiles of Child Pornography Found Along With Illegal Firearm) | Techrights | Aug 06 23:56 | |
| schestowitz | does it make sense? | Aug 06 23:56 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: I got them through someone | Aug 06 23:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'll take a look here. | Aug 06 23:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, under Illinois law you have to state the purpose you need them. | Aug 06 23:57 |
| schestowitz | They ask if you are impacted | Aug 06 23:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's illegal to say "Oh I need this because of a pending lawsuit." and then publish them on a blog or something. | Aug 06 23:57 |
| schestowitz | and the answer is, no | Aug 06 23:57 |
| schestowitz | like being among the victims | Aug 06 23:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nice that the police can't spell. | Aug 06 23:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Search warrannt" | Aug 06 23:58 |
| schestowitz | it is not just a data dump | Aug 06 23:59 |
| schestowitz | for months we did report based on these | Aug 06 23:59 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: seems like a typo | Aug 06 23:59 |
| schestowitz | like accident | Aug 06 23:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, the immigration forms are like this. | Aug 06 23:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You really have to go over them like 10 times looking for mistakes. | Aug 06 23:59 |
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