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schestowitz[21:44] <superkuh> ...and it's gone. HN users got their panties in a bunch and flagged it until it was killed off the front page.Aug 06 00:02
schestowitzNot the first time, they always do this and not based on something factual, just 'feeling'Aug 06 00:02
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The posts on TheLayoff that you linked to went up to about 4,000 views.Aug 06 00:04
DaemonFC[m]They were sitting at a few hundred.Aug 06 00:05
DaemonFC[m]From what they're describing, it sounds like a definite brain drain from the layoffs.Aug 06 00:06
DaemonFC[m]Canonical is turning a profit these days.Aug 06 00:06
DaemonFC[m]It was very very slow to get Ubuntu off the ground and I think the whole Unity and Ubuntu Phone thing led them to some unprofitable years where they could have at least broken even.Aug 06 00:07
DaemonFC[m]But a lot of Red Hat customers are getting fed up and switching to Ubuntu on everything.Aug 06 00:08
schestowitz[00:06] <DaemonFC[m]> From what they're describing, it sounds like a definite brain drain from the layoffs.Aug 06 00:08
schestowitzSome comment I saw on my post suggesting pulling a mariadbAug 06 00:09
schestowitzi.e. making "Blue Hat"Aug 06 00:09
schestowitz then sucking the talent outAug 06 00:09
schestowitzmaking a RHEL cloneAug 06 00:09
schestowitzmade by the same opeople who made RHEL, create another Red HatAug 06 00:09
DaemonFC[m]It seems like Canonical ironically gave up and adopted a business model much like Red Hat's, where they're not interested in making anything off the software, but the support contracts. I think that Red Hat is getting tired of the Fedora/RHEL schism and just hasn't openly made a move on Fedora yet.Aug 06 00:09
schestowitzlike mysql was replicated by the founderAug 06 00:09
DaemonFC[m]Driving away the community so that nobody does a hard fork of Fedora is probably the short term.Aug 06 00:10
schestowitz thinking IBM is astroturfingAug 06 00:10
schestowitzbury brigadesAug 06 00:10
DaemonFC[m]Right before the IBM takeover (iirc), Red Hat took over CentOS and they put out a PR blurb about how they were graciously being "sponsored".Aug 06 00:10
schestowitzjudging by what happened thrice when it made it into front page of HNAug 06 00:11
schestowitzthey try to hide thisAug 06 00:11
schestowitzbut it's not workingAug 06 00:11
DaemonFC[m]And of course, these Red Hat people will just take the majority of the seats on our Council.Aug 06 00:11
schestowitz150k views soonAug 06 00:11
DaemonFC[m]How does that work? :)Aug 06 00:11
schestowitzsooner or later the word circulates among those with interestAug 06 00:11
DaemonFC[m]Eventually, they can just disband the CentOS project and encourage everyone using it to license up.Aug 06 00:12
schestowitzand burying in one platform with ad hominem won't workAug 06 00:12
DaemonFC[m]You heard what that guy who said Whitehurst was using a Mac also said.Aug 06 00:12
DaemonFC[m]They were forced to abandon using open source solutions internally at Red Hat and farm it all out to Google products.Aug 06 00:13
schestowitzyes, someAug 06 00:13
schestowitzask Alex OlivaAug 06 00:13
DaemonFC[m]They also weakened Fedora's Free Software policies.Aug 06 00:13
schestowitzthe Red Hat GNU guyAug 06 00:13
schestowitzlinux-libre devAug 06 00:13
schestowitzhe leftAug 06 00:13
schestowitzsaid they were pushed to 'clown' computing stuffAug 06 00:13
schestowitzwhich was against his principlesAug 06 00:14
DaemonFC[m]Now as long as it's not illegal to redistribute it, the repo can be included in the Fedora spins.Aug 06 00:14
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Announcement of LibreOffice 7.0 []Aug 06 00:14
DaemonFC[m]So after years of "We do not support the Nvidia driver and if you use it, you do so at your own risk." they yell at me for saying it's unsupportable and anyone who uses it does it at their own risk. Then one of them (logged in on a Mac) tells me they "have to support Nvidia because there's hardly any AMD/Intel graphics on a laptop out there and they all suck.".Aug 06 00:15
DaemonFC[m]I said something  like "Oh, it's hardly that bad, and even if it is a tad slower to use AMD at least the driver isn't constantly crashing and causing data corruption.".Aug 06 00:16
DaemonFC[m]I would accept a 10% slower graphics solution in exchange for a 90% reduction in bugs (easily, at least).Aug 06 00:16
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers []Aug 06 00:16
DaemonFC[m]The Nvidia driver is not a Linux driver. It's their Windows blob and a layer of kernel glue.Aug 06 00:17
DaemonFC[m]Nobody is allowed to know how it works and that's the point.Aug 06 00:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Review of Firefox “Fenix” for Android []Aug 06 00:18
DaemonFC[m]They yelled at me for the "not a Linux driver" part, and I said, "Well, according to Nvidia themselves over 90% of it is just the same code as the Windows driver and the rest is a shim to hook it up to a Linux kernel. So I'm just stating what they've admitted.".Aug 06 00:18
DaemonFC[m]The only Linux-ey bits are a proprietary X11 driver and a "GPL Condom" module that provides an abstraction layer to make it talk to the kernel.Aug 06 00:19
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Interview: RISC-V CTO Mark Himelstein []Aug 06 00:20
DaemonFC[m]The Condom claims it's open source and then it communicates back and forth with the driver itself. Aug 06 00:20
DaemonFC[m]Nobody is interested in enforcing the GPL as it pertains to the Linux kernel. If they were, perhaps Nvidia would release an open source driver purely because they lost a court ruling somewhere and have to have a Linux product.Aug 06 00:21
schestowitz 06 00:22
schestowitz"Aug 06 00:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Red Hat layoffs by IBM : FedoraAug 06 00:22
schestowitzLink is dead.Aug 06 00:22
schestowitzlevel 2Aug 06 00:22
schestowitz2 pointsAug 06 00:22
DaemonFC[m]Near as I can tell, they bought 3dfx out of bankruptcy simply so that nobody else would own the patents and compete with Nvidia. Aug 06 00:22
schestowitz·Aug 06 00:22
schestowitz1 hour agoAug 06 00:22
schestowitzIt's not dead, it just doesn't have TLS encryption. But it's also not mobile readible. So probably not a serious source.Aug 06 00:22
schestowitz"Aug 06 00:22
schestowitzLOLAug 06 00:22
schestowitzI cannot get it to work 'small' on my mobile, so the article is wrong --- nice logicAug 06 00:22
DaemonFC[m]Some of those patents were probably valid up until very recently.Aug 06 00:22
schestowitzTypical dismissivenessAug 06 00:22
schestowitz 06 00:23
schestowitz"There is a discussion on Hacker News, but feel free to comment here as well."Aug 06 00:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM Is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning : hackernewsAug 06 00:23
DaemonFC[m]Very much like Microsoft would do, actually. Drive a competitor to the brink, buy them up for patents and stuff.Aug 06 00:23
XRevan86schestowitz: Or like NextcloudAug 06 00:23
DaemonFC[m]When I found out that Microsoft bought what was left of Netscape and then sold it to Facebook, I was....not surprised. Aug 06 00:23
schestowitz 06 00:24
schestowitzI'd rather focus on writing new articles than bother with those stupid sites and BS commentsAug 06 00:24
DaemonFC[m]AOL bought things, paid way too much for them, then had absolutely no idea what to do next. Then tore them apart and sold them for pennies.Aug 06 00:24
DaemonFC[m]That's where Microsoft is at.Aug 06 00:24
DaemonFC[m]They got $3 million dollars for Winamp from Radionomy. They PAID $80 million for it. Remember that?Aug 06 00:27
DaemonFC[m]And $80 million then was like $130 million now.Aug 06 00:27
DaemonFC[m]So AOL was really really good at buying things, and then not knowing what to do with it, and then selling it to recoup 1-2% of what it paid.Aug 06 00:27
schestowitzMicrosoft is a vulture, I knowAug 06 00:27
DaemonFC[m]Netscape could have been more, honestly. Had AOL really pursued the joint venture with Sun, who knows?Aug 06 00:28
DaemonFC[m]They were the first company with decent web server software, but Microsoft did IIS and then went even further and shoved part of it into the Windows kernel.Aug 06 00:29
DaemonFC[m]:)Aug 06 00:29
DaemonFC[m]The Netscape-Sun thing. What they were talking about.... They didn't have any idea that Smartphones would be a thing a decade later, but what they were really describing was a Chrome OS and an Android.Aug 06 00:30
DaemonFC[m]A lot of the ideas resurfaced at Google.Aug 06 00:30
schestowitzphoronix dumped CF recentlyAug 06 00:30
schestowitzbecause of adsAug 06 00:30
schestowitzand...Aug 06 00:30
schestowitznow it freezes for like 30 seconds each time I link to itAug 06 00:31
schestowitzI reported it to MichaelAug 06 00:31
schestowitzhe didn't know he was this dependent on a cdnAug 06 00:31
DaemonFC[m]Well, advertising is just a dead end.Aug 06 00:31
schestowitzI hoepAug 06 00:31
DaemonFC[m]They were flogging a dead horse in the dot com bubble.Aug 06 00:31
schestowitzso I heardAug 06 00:31
schestowitzI wonder how Google is really doingAug 06 00:31
schestowitzI know it works for the stateAug 06 00:31
DaemonFC[m]They were saying web ads would be so profitable that they could even sponsor free dial up internet.Aug 06 00:32
schestowitzmaybe sponsored and propped up by it alsoAug 06 00:32
DaemonFC[m]They didn't figure on some shithead like me coming along and figuring all the ways you could crash the ad banner and ping their server now and then so it wouldn't disconnect you.Aug 06 00:32
XRevan86If it freezes then maybe it uses software or code that's not coping the load.Aug 06 00:32
DaemonFC[m]I might have been part of the reason that didn't work out.Aug 06 00:32
XRevan86Hard to believe for such an old site to not be optimised for use without a magic pill.Aug 06 00:33
DaemonFC[m]Maybe it's for the better. Imagine if that had caught on and the web was worse than it is now, and ads that only ran on Windows would subsidize your internet bill.Aug 06 00:33
schestowitzhmm... 890 new cases in the uk yesterdayAug 06 00:33
schestowitzgrowing still,, over timeAug 06 00:34
schestowitzSpain is at 3k a dayAug 06 00:34
DaemonFC[m]I figured out how to get my hashed login credentials because I had to use the damned thing on Linux, where only Netzero had a client.Aug 06 00:34
schestowitzGermany over 1kAug 06 00:34
DaemonFC[m]And it was written in JAVA!Aug 06 00:34
schestowitzfrance 1.6Aug 06 00:34
schestowitztrumpland 1.3k... deaths, not casesAug 06 00:34
DaemonFC[m]Well yeah. The let's defund NHS while paying people to go eat and cough on everyone strategy probably won't end well.Aug 06 00:35
DaemonFC[m]But I agree, it's a perverse incentive that you're paying for, so get em. That's how these things get completely unsustainable.Aug 06 00:35
DaemonFC[m]People look for how they can get away with paying less and taking more.Aug 06 00:35
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]:  want to work on part 3 of Jones?Aug 06 00:36
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Like the Free ISP. They had the idea that people who were so cheap they would NOT pay $15 a month for dial up were going to buy so many things from advertisers that they'd make money.Aug 06 00:36
DaemonFC[m]Instead, they got me.Aug 06 00:36
DaemonFC[m]The whole thing was obviously coming to an end because when you ran the banner, it would show 1-2 ads over and over usually.Aug 06 00:37
DaemonFC[m]I remember one of them was for coffee.Aug 06 00:37
DaemonFC[m]So, uhhh, yeah. That's going to fund $15 a month worth of service to that user. Sitting there looking at one ad for coffee.Aug 06 00:37
DaemonFC[m]If I want coffee, I'll go to Walmart and grab some Great Value Classic Roast. Aug 06 00:38
DaemonFC[m]Instant, if you've got it! Big can. Lower unit price.Aug 06 00:38
DaemonFC[m]When we economize, efficiency is multiplied.Aug 06 00:38
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "DaemonFC:  want to work on part "> yeah, what have you got?Aug 06 00:38
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, I have enough on Mandy's credit card to get like $1.30 in points from the next car repair tomorrow. And a $20 coupon. Aug 06 00:39
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Geoffrey Knauth elected Free Software Foundation president; Odile Bénassy joins the board []Aug 06 00:40
DaemonFC[m]So I can grab the part myself for $90 and get sprayed with gasoline under the hot sun, or I can pay $20 more and have the shop do it.Aug 06 00:40
DaemonFC[m]That's a brainer. Aug 06 00:40
DaemonFC[m]The new vacuum line isn't leaking, so now I've got another problem.Aug 06 00:41
DaemonFC[m]It's pulling in fuel vapor that shouldn't be in that line because the interior of the pressure regulator is beginning to crack.Aug 06 00:41
DaemonFC[m]:/Aug 06 00:41
DaemonFC[m]That wasn't even the air leak that was tripping out the computer. That was just the first place they saw the evap smoke going, so the guy goes aha! and fixes it, I get the car back, light comes back... Go back to the shop. They smoke it again. It's a giant crack in the upper manifold. Aug 06 00:43
schestowitz[00:38] <DaemonFC[m]> <schestowitz "DaemonFC:  want to work on part "> yeah, what have you got?Aug 06 00:43
schestowitzIt is the longest oneAug 06 00:43
schestowitzsome pages are repetitionsAug 06 00:43
schestowitz1) need to make sure it's OK to publishAug 06 00:43
schestowitz2) which pages are repeats Aug 06 00:43
DaemonFC[m]Okay. Got a link to it?Aug 06 00:44
schestowitzLOL 06 00:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Packaging and deploying .NET Core for Linux - Part 1 | On .NET | Channel 9Aug 06 00:44
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: yes, waitAug 06 00:45
schestowitz 06 00:45
schestowitzDon't want to just dump it without checking that it all makes senseAug 06 00:45
schestowitzthe repetition means some pages need not be turned into jpegsAug 06 00:46
schestowitzlol 06 00:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mac App Not Starting? Here’s How to Fix ItAug 06 00:48
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos []Aug 06 00:50
akinguIt is probably a tactic to stay undetected. Isn't Windows Defender the one bundled on Windows though?Aug 06 00:52
akingu(I didn't scrollolo)Aug 06 00:53
DaemonFC[m]"Now, you’ve got to work out whether it’s a problem with macOS, an incompatibility issue, or even a security threat."Aug 06 00:54
DaemonFC[m]I love my Mac.Aug 06 00:54
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Debian, Chris Lamb, NXIVM sex cult prosecution []Aug 06 00:54
DaemonFC[m]Apple thought of everything, so it just works.Aug 06 00:54
DaemonFC[m]Thank goodness it's not Windows, or there could be malware.Aug 06 00:55
MinceRlolAug 06 00:55
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Pages 12-13 need more redacting.Aug 06 00:57
DaemonFC[m]It describes the rape of a child in detail.Aug 06 00:57
schestowitzis it illegal for police to pass that file to usAug 06 00:58
schestowitzI saw news sites that describe the Microsoft Peter caseAug 06 00:58
schestowitzwith similar wordingsAug 06 00:58
schestowitzAlso some articles about the Jones case, IIRCAug 06 00:59
schestowitzmaybe with fewer detailsAug 06 01:00
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Looks like you could just start at page 30 of this PDF.Aug 06 01:00
DaemonFC[m]The whole search warrant and application are past that in their entirety all over again.Aug 06 01:01
akinguschestowitz: I saw a thread that had info about how those two used organization funds to travel to conferences together when they were dating. Interestingly the thread was locked and hidden, which I have never seen on Phoronix before or sinceAug 06 01:02
akinguusing*Aug 06 01:02
DaemonFC[m]This guy must have been accumulating for years if he had bankers boxes of VHS tapes.Aug 06 01:02
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: why only after page 30?Aug 06 01:06
schestowitzbecause it's template before?Aug 06 01:06
schestowitzI suppose we can skip the template stuff for screenshotsAug 06 01:06
DaemonFC[m]It looks like it repeats again from 47-70.Aug 06 01:06
schestowitzI will use your findinds, may in fact blacken out what yoy notedAug 06 01:06
schestowitzyes, lots of repetitionAug 06 01:07
schestowitzthe original file will be published (in its entirety), but what I expose as jpeg needs to be family-friendlyAug 06 01:07
schestowitzI have all 2,850 pages nowAug 06 01:07
schestowitzso no need to play all diplomatic with spdAug 06 01:07
schestowitzwe can release it, but reponsiblyAug 06 01:08
schestowitzresponsiblyAug 06 01:08
schestowitzwe still need to get to the bottom of the 'magichour' thingAug 06 01:08
schestowitzit may lead to placeAug 06 01:08
DaemonFC[m]71-72 seem to be unique.Aug 06 01:08
schestowitzcheersAug 06 01:09
DaemonFC[m]The name itself just struck me wrong.Aug 06 01:09
schestowitzI will get to it all soon, then I will show you how it is presentedAug 06 01:09
DaemonFC[m]Couldn't say why. I'd just heard it before.Aug 06 01:09
schestowitzthe key thing is not to just dump the pdf but add some explanatory summaryAug 06 01:10
schestowitzlots of people follow this series in techrightsAug 06 01:10
schestowitzand then they do their research and get back to us with moreAug 06 01:10
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft was trying to buy Nullsoft in 2013, apparently.Aug 06 01:12
DaemonFC[m]Radionomy didn't have enough cash to hand to AOL, so AOL ended up acquiring 12.5% of Radionomy.Aug 06 01:12
MinceRso microsuck already wanted to be AOL in 2013? :>Aug 06 01:13
akinguschestowitz: " software is produced but have little option to work around it." should be a comma in front of the "but" in 06 01:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Debian, Chris Lamb, NXIVM sex cult prosecutionAug 06 01:13
DaemonFC[m]I'd say LinkedIn and Nokia were their worst acquisitions.Aug 06 01:13
DaemonFC[m]They don't want to admit how badly the recession has hurt LinkedIn.Aug 06 01:13
DaemonFC[m]It's hard to imagine how LinkedIn revenue is "up" 10%, they fire 1,000 people, and the economy is down 33% by GDP and maybe more since the report.Aug 06 01:14
DaemonFC[m]How can a "social network" for job applicants and hiring managers be making money when the economy is down 33%?Aug 06 01:15
akinguProbably more userbase since unemployed people register profiles?Aug 06 01:15
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Python Programming []Aug 06 01:15
DaemonFC[m]They could also be doing "ad laundering".Aug 06 01:16
DaemonFC[m]They are their own ad network. There's no telling where the money for the ads is coming from. Only they would know.Aug 06 01:17
akinguThere is no mention of FSFE or Debian in the link from the claim "use fronts like Debian and FSFE" in 06 01:18
DaemonFC[m]https://www.logos.comAug 06 01:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Logos Bible SoftwareAug 06 01:31
DaemonFC[m]Somehow this made it into the Top 25 apps for Wine, by votes.Aug 06 01:31
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel 5.8: Collabora’s biggest & most significant contributions yet! []Aug 06 01:32
schestowitz[01:13] <akingu> schestowitz: " software is produced but have little option to work around it." should be a comma in front of the "but" in 06 01:34
schestowitznot my article thoughAug 06 01:35
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Forget Windows, I just installed Elementary OS on my Chromebook and it’s awesome []Aug 06 02:01
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Release Team to have retrospective meeting about openSUSE Leap 15.2 []Aug 06 02:07
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers []Aug 06 02:09
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Intel’s Clear Linux Still Outperforming Other Distributions For Mid-2020 []Aug 06 02:17
DaemonFC[m] 06 02:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Used car prices soaring as COVID-19 pandemic shakes up new car marketAug 06 02:29
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: there are a lot of religion researching people out there.Aug 06 02:30
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux App Summit Goes Online in November []Aug 06 02:34
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Open Hardware: Zephyr, Arduino and More []Aug 06 02:37
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DaemonFC[m]Anyway, used car prices are up.Aug 06 02:41
DaemonFC[m]It means my rolling vacuum leak was an investment opportunity!Aug 06 02:41
DaemonFC[m](Because the opportunity cost of doing something else was higher.)Aug 06 02:41
DaemonFC[m] 06 02:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trillions of dollars will pour into market post-virus: John StoltzfusAug 06 02:46
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Time for another Clown Makeup meme.Aug 06 02:46
DaemonFC[m]We're in for a rough patch.Aug 06 02:46
DaemonFC[m]But don't worry.Aug 06 02:46
DaemonFC[m]There's trillions of dollars that people are hoarding.Aug 06 02:46
DaemonFC[m]The economy will roar back as the virus is beaten.Aug 06 02:47
schestowitz 06 02:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens - ReutersAug 06 02:47
schestowitzit's a scamAug 06 02:47
schestowitzand we're on the receiving end of the abuseAug 06 02:47
schestowitz[02:29] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- | Used car prices soaring as COVID-19 pandemic shakes up new car marketAug 06 02:47
DaemonFC[m]Yep.Aug 06 02:47
schestowitzThis makes sense ifAug 06 02:47
schestowitzpeople don't swap old cars for newAug 06 02:48
schestowitzand people look for used, not newAug 06 02:48
schestowitzyou have a shortage of themAug 06 02:48
schestowitzor, as I thought, some sell them off to make money for rentAug 06 02:48
schestowitznot sure where the balance isAug 06 02:48
DaemonFC[m]People are looking for used because the banks aren't lending.Aug 06 02:48
schestowitzrightAug 06 02:48
schestowitzand so many are bought on loans tied to one's salaryAug 06 02:49
DaemonFC[m]They're in a holding pattern to see where this thing goes, and they're doing mass layoffs quietly in the mean time.Aug 06 02:49
DaemonFC[m]They're obviously not optimistic. They're closing millions of credit card accounts and lowering limits to the amount you currently owe.Aug 06 02:49
DaemonFC[m]So they're not willing to bet their own asses on a quick recovery because they know it's improbable.Aug 06 02:49
DaemonFC[m]Yes. With wage freezes and mass layoffs, they don't want people maxing the cards out on the way to bankruptcy court.Aug 06 02:50
DaemonFC[m]They're doing exactly what I would do, but they talk out of both sides of their mouth on this.Aug 06 02:51
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: For the economy to bounce back "quickly", and by quickly I mean sometime in the next 18 months, we'd need to either be a lot further into the Coronavirus pandemic than we think we are or a vaccine.Aug 06 02:52
DaemonFC[m]The most optimistic projections by the Trump administration say the first doses will be out in January, and when have they ever told you something where it was better than what they said?Aug 06 02:52
DaemonFC[m]So probably add 4-6 months onto that.Aug 06 02:53
DaemonFC[m]The news is already starting to let the air out of the Trump Coronavirus Vaccine Hoax.Aug 06 02:53
DaemonFC[m]They're saying "May arrive later than January. Might need to keep getting the shot.".Aug 06 02:54
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, well, change might to will.Aug 06 02:54
DaemonFC[m]The pharma jerks are saying free vaccine doses for the duration of the "pandemic".Aug 06 02:54
DaemonFC[m]You don't just develop a product and then give it all away.Aug 06 02:54
schestowitzit takes many years to develop vaccinesAug 06 02:56
DaemonFC[m]They're banking on there being a Coronavirus Season indefinitely and parasiting off people and the government to pay for continual vaccination or else "The damned thing comes back every year and kills another 300,000 why not.".Aug 06 02:56
schestowitzso next january means dodgy experimentAug 06 02:56
schestowitzbut I suppose if you're 80 and vulnerable you might be willing to become a test lab ratAug 06 02:56
DaemonFC[m]We've been lucky enough to have sufficient cooperation with things like MMR that the state hasn't had to strap someone's ass down under threat of jail.Aug 06 02:56
DaemonFC[m]But we may get there with the Coronavirus.Aug 06 02:56
schestowitzbrbAug 06 02:57
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Collabora’s Contributions to Linux Kernel 5.8 Were Their Biggest Yet []Aug 06 02:59
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Gaming on Linux in 2020: Way Better Than You Think []Aug 06 03:06
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: Destination Linux, FLOSS Weekly, CrowPi and Linux Headlinesh []Aug 06 03:10
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: FSF Has Finally Elected A New President []Aug 06 03:13
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Statement from FSF’s new president, Geoffrey Knauth “free software movement may have started with Richard Stallman’s passion and lifelong commitment, and we all are grateful” []Aug 06 03:16
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: Mesa 20.1.5, Intel and AMD []Aug 06 03:20
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Linux Plumbers Conference and Kernel Developments in METRICFS, FS-Cache, HWMON []Aug 06 03:24
DaemonFC[m]Google puts South China Morning Post in my news feed.Aug 06 03:27
DaemonFC[m]Communist Party propaganda.Aug 06 03:27
schestowitzit was boughtAug 06 03:27
schestowitzby jam maAug 06 03:27
schestowitzused to be hk newspaperAug 06 03:27
schestowitz*jack maAug 06 03:27
schestowitzGoogle in English puts faaaar more US gov. propaganda Aug 06 03:27
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: can you reach out to koffler?Aug 06 03:31
schestowitzhe might know more about what happenedAug 06 03:32
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Zoom Holes, New Patches and etcd Project Security Committee []Aug 06 03:33
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: 06 03:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kevin Kofler's HomepageAug 06 03:34
DaemonFC[m]He has an email listed here.Aug 06 03:34
schestowitzI was not a direct witness to the incidentAug 06 03:34
schestowitzso cannot ask about itAug 06 03:34
schestowitzyou canAug 06 03:34
schestowitzsay techrights wishes to knowAug 06 03:35
schestowitzand I would not rule out IBM involvementAug 06 03:35
schestowitzall RHT staff are now IBM staffAug 06 03:35
schestowitzmaybe they remove dissent ahead of somethingAug 06 03:35
DaemonFC[m] 06 03:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Stock market today: Private payrolls jobs data rises at slower pace than expectedAug 06 03:35
schestowitzbut you can say you saw what happened in IRCAug 06 03:35
DaemonFC[m]Really, really awful jobs report.Aug 06 03:36
schestowitzcnbc is trashAug 06 03:36
schestowitzit's just US propagandaAug 06 03:36
schestowitzyou complain about chinese-connected outletsAug 06 03:36
schestowitzas if you want a Wall Street monopoly on news in EnglishAug 06 03:36
schestowitzthose are faking unemployment figuresAug 06 03:36
schestowitzto manufacture consent for the robber baronsAug 06 03:36
schestowitzso people cannot know how bad things really areAug 06 03:37
schestowitzas that would lead to uprise or at least revoltAug 06 03:37
schestowitz"Stock market today"Aug 06 03:37
schestowitzWall Street mouthpieceAug 06 03:37
schestowitznot interestedAug 06 03:37
schestowitzbetter get news at commondreams or somethingAug 06 03:37
schestowitzRMS can vouch for it alsoAug 06 03:37
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: another thing...Aug 06 03:40
schestowitzafter our article on red hat layoffs was read directly by so many (140k) and indirectly even more it would not help is I sent him an emailAug 06 03:40
schestowitzas he might not wish to be associated with thatAug 06 03:40
schestowitzwould not help him get back inAug 06 03:40
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming Leftovers []Aug 06 03:45
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos and leftovers []Aug 06 03:49
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 6/8/2020: FSF Has New Chief, LibreOffice 7.0, Linux App Summit Goes Online []Aug 06 03:53
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: can you help us by taking screenshots of all the pages you deem relevant?Aug 06 03:54
schestowitzI'd then stick them along with the PDF for easier readingAug 06 03:54
schestowitzgoing to get coffee, be back in a few...Aug 06 03:55
schestowitz"Release: Search Warrant and Reports on Findings When Bill Gates' Engineer Arrested for Pedophilia"Aug 06 04:08
schestowitzI think this best describes -- well maybe not best, but... -- the third partAug 06 04:08
DaemonFC[m]"f you know where the app comes from and you trust the download source, you shouldn’t be put off just because it’s unsigned. Specific types of apps, like file-sharing clients, aren’t eligible for Apple’s approval in the first place."Aug 06 04:08
DaemonFC[m]If you can kill with a chainsaw, shouldn't those be against the law?Aug 06 04:08
DaemonFC[m]"macOS Catalina officially ditched support for 32-bit apps when it arrived in the fall of 2019. The decision to go pure 64-bit resulted in an all-round more efficient operating system, but disabled 32-bit apps"Aug 06 04:09
DaemonFC[m]There's nothing more efficient really about not having 32-bit application support.Aug 06 04:10
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: they shouldAug 06 04:11
DaemonFC[m]"Not every app flagged by XProtect is malware in the traditional sense. In particular, keygens and cracks used to pirate software are detected and blocked by XProtect, even if they pose no immediate threat to your system."Aug 06 04:11
schestowitzbut the empire is a law onto itself or whateverAug 06 04:11
schestowitzGAFAM are 5 among several moreAug 06 04:11
DaemonFC[m]So, antivirus software that goes and blocks anything else they don't like while it's at it, which can't be shut down.Aug 06 04:12
schestowitzthey're strategic for full-spectrum dominanceAug 06 04:12
schestowitz 06 04:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Full-spectrum dominance - WikipediaAug 06 04:12
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: are you taking screenshots or should I? I have not started.Aug 06 04:12
DaemonFC[m]Full pages?Aug 06 04:13
schestowitzI think you are more familiar with where repetitions areAug 06 04:13
schestowitzyes, full pagesAug 06 04:13
schestowitzin gimp, if you have it, you can open pdfAug 06 04:13
schestowitzit'll ask you for dimensions to be rendered intoAug 06 04:13
schestowitz500 px wide is enoughAug 06 04:13
schestowitzor you could use sparkle or similarAug 06 04:13
DaemonFC[m]I'm looking at it in a Vivaldi tabAug 06 04:13
schestowitzspectable I meanAug 06 04:13
schestowitz*cleAug 06 04:14
schestowitzthe full PDF will be includedAug 06 04:14
schestowitzbut we want toAug 06 04:14
schestowitz1) show as much as possibleAug 06 04:14
schestowitz1) bar repetitionAug 06 04:14
schestowitz2) removing some faux pasAug 06 04:14
schestowitzlike the parts that are maybe OK in the PDF but better not further illuminatedAug 06 04:15
schestowitzI want full disclosure of what we have at the end, otherwise we'd be as guilty as those whom we accuse of stonewallingAug 06 04:15
schestowitzthe hashed and filenames we won't release because there's no GOOD use to themAug 06 04:15
*DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: 1.png (558KB) < >Aug 06 04:15
schestowitz*hashesAug 06 04:15
DaemonFC[m]There's a sample. Is that good?Aug 06 04:15
schestowitzyesAug 06 04:16
schestowitzI think it shows the police handled it reasonable well (IMHO)Aug 06 04:16
schestowitz*blyAug 06 04:16
schestowitz(not sure if the court went far enough)Aug 06 04:16
DaemonFC[m]Okay. I'll take a screenshot of the "disgusting pervert" stuff and you should just black out the parts that go into graphic detail.Aug 06 04:16
DaemonFC[m]Or I guess I could.Aug 06 04:16
schestowitzand whether the SPD used that as a lead for other cases, e.g. Wong, Paine...Aug 06 04:17
schestowitzthose would be another set of cases for sureAug 06 04:17
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The judge narrowed the scope of the warrant.Aug 06 04:17
schestowitzyes, I thought about that, BUT...Aug 06 04:17
schestowitzif you blacken those, and they're still in the PDF, it'll look foolishAug 06 04:17
schestowitzlike we don't know how to redactAug 06 04:17
schestowitzso maybe just skip that part, leave it out of screenshotAug 06 04:18
schestowitzit'll be in the PDF anyway, Aug 06 04:18
schestowitzI'll add (the above screenshots are not complete and omit repetitions as well as unsavoury parts that are in the PDF)Aug 06 04:18
schestowitzAn extensive sample of the PDF's contents. We're reproducing as images the key parts from <a href="">the original</a> <code>[PDF]</code> (the above screenshots are not complete as they omit repetitions as well as unsavoury parts that are in the PDF)Aug 06 04:20
schestowitzReaders can finally see all the details about what was taken (portable drives, laptop, desktop etc.) and found when a search was executed at the home of Bill Gates' engineer while he was at Bill's house (where he worked regularly)Aug 06 04:20
schestowitz; as far as we are aware, the police never searched Bill's houseAug 06 04:23
schestowitz; as far as we are aware, the police never searched Bill's house and computersAug 06 04:24
schestowitzthat sounds better and still correctAug 06 04:24
schestowitzas we don't know what his laptop and drive may have enteredAug 06 04:24
schestowitzplugged intoAug 06 04:24
schestowitzafter the epstein revelations, which gates repeatedly lied about, we can rule out nothingAug 06 04:25
DaemonFC[m]I don't think we need the back and forth emails about the children.Aug 06 04:25
DaemonFC[m]I'm going to lop that off at "appeared to be in their mid to late teens".Aug 06 04:25
DaemonFC[m]Mid teens is obviously illegal to have videos and pictures of.Aug 06 04:26
schestowitzyesAug 06 04:26
schestowitzyou can skip thatAug 06 04:26
schestowitzit's in the PDF Aug 06 04:26
schestowitzno need to blacken it though, it would seem like dumb redaction fuAug 06 04:27
schestowitzthis series was read by millions this yeatAug 06 04:27
schestowitzit has caused momentum to build up for #Arrest(Bill)Gates movement, or canceling his influenceAug 06 04:27
schestowitzso we don't want to seem reckless and dumbAug 06 04:28
DaemonFC[m]Where to pick back up at then?Aug 06 04:29
schestowitzmaybe where it seems to no longer use words like "Blowjob"Aug 06 04:30
schestowitzthe pertinent instances matter lessAug 06 04:30
schestowitzthe process of busting him is more relevantAug 06 04:31
schestowitzesp. the details about what's found at his homeAug 06 04:31
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: the latest article about Microsoft layoffs (Cortana) read 5.5k times, where near the 140k+ times of the Red Hat oneAug 06 04:39
schestowitzI just grep log files before they perish, get deleted automatically to ensure privacyAug 06 04:40
schestowitzthe idiots who try to discredit the report say stuff like, oh, look, the site doesn't have https, so it's wrong, don't look!Aug 06 04:40
schestowitzthis means they are unable to rebut on any /factual/ level and look for side channelsAug 06 04:41
kingoffranceyeah might as well say its not gopher or usenet lolAug 06 04:42
kingoffranceclearly those are the only true established protocolsAug 06 04:42
kingoffranceand http is just a fadAug 06 04:42
schestowitzwell done, ryanAug 06 04:42
schestowitzthey didn't refuse you on substanceAug 06 04:42
schestowitzhttpd is overrated too for a long of reasondAug 06 04:42
schestowitzit's just httpAug 06 04:43
schestowitzwith something around itAug 06 04:43
schestowitztls layerAug 06 04:43
schestowitzoverhyped and not effective, the tracking carries on in most sites that have https supportAug 06 04:43
schestowitzit's something they slapped on after snowden leaksAug 06 04:43
kingoffrance^^^Aug 06 04:43
schestowitzas if to say, ok, done, problem solved nowAug 06 04:43
kingoffrance^^^ no need for ipsecAug 06 04:43
schestowitz:-)Aug 06 04:43
kingoffranceor anything "comprehensive"Aug 06 04:43
schestowitzwe still use ipsec hereAug 06 04:43
schestowitzI see the lock icon in chromeAug 06 04:44
schestowitzso...Aug 06 04:44
schestowitzit's OKAug 06 04:44
schestowitzit's... safe"Aug 06 04:44
schestowitzit says "secure"Aug 06 04:44
schestowitzGoogle says soAug 06 04:44
kingoffrancelol   i dont know if its any good, i just prefer general solutions Aug 06 04:44
schestowitzwhile giving NSA access to all my passwordsAug 06 04:44
kingoffranceif you are truly "everything in the browser" maybe https is sufficientAug 06 04:44
kingoffrancebut i dont do that, so i seek elsewhereAug 06 04:44
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: site note/thought:Aug 06 04:46
schestowitzsometimes the cops WANT to send you this stuffAug 06 04:46
schestowitzas the PD itself is afraid of picking on the big boysAug 06 04:46
schestowitzbut passing to the public some docs and let them do their research from there helps accountabilityAug 06 04:46
schestowitzat a level SPD is apprehensive to do itself or heads might rollAug 06 04:46
*DaemonFC[m] posted a file: (11922KB) < >Aug 06 04:47
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: ^Aug 06 04:47
schestowitzcheers!!Aug 06 04:47
schestowitzI'm doing the fourth PDF right nowAug 06 04:47
schestowitz14 pagesAug 06 04:47
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "sometimes the cops WANT to send "> Yes, I told you before that the cops in Lake County are all over Grindr.Aug 06 04:47
schestowitzfor tomorrow's releaseAug 06 04:48
DaemonFC[m]Make sure they TELL YOU they are 18 before you agree to anything.Aug 06 04:48
DaemonFC[m]That way it's in the log and if they try to do anything to you later, you can say "Well, they said the guy was 18.".Aug 06 04:48
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: need to look for more on the "uncle" linkAug 06 04:48
schestowitzthey removed things thereAug 06 04:48
schestowitzit might even link to another opened caseAug 06 04:49
schestowitzand I support wong came under some sort of heat, wherever he is locatedAug 06 04:49
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I'm wondering who this David Wong guy is.Aug 06 04:49
schestowitzweird, gimp is choking on this file a bitAug 06 04:51
schestowitzthe fourth oneAug 06 04:51
schestowitzDavid's WangAug 06 04:52
schestowitzsmall enough for RickAug 06 04:52
DaemonFC[m]LOLAug 06 04:52
DaemonFC[m]That's mean.Aug 06 04:52
DaemonFC[m]Was it David Wang?Aug 06 04:52
DaemonFC[m]I can't recallAug 06 04:52
DaemonFC[m] 06 04:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-David Wong (K), 52 - Seattle, WA Background Report at™Aug 06 04:55
schestowitzOK, we not have all of installment 1 as JPEGsAug 06 04:55
schestowitzI will get part 3 of installment 1 publishedAug 06 04:55
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: wang means one's manhoodAug 06 04:56
schestowitzI'm surprised you don't know that slangAug 06 04:56
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: you might want to foia SPD or check police records on himAug 06 04:56
schestowitzto see if they left him off the hook or opened up a case on him, tooAug 06 04:57
schestowitzthere was another person named, of a Seattle ISP, who was in a relationship with Ricky the DickyAug 06 04:57
schestowitzthose should all be leadsAug 06 04:57
schestowitzI don't know if you can look up sex offenders' list in the state and howAug 06 04:57
schestowitzApparently Rick is on none: 06 04:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Guest Post: Finer Details About Rick Allen Jones, Bill Gates Employee Arrested for Trade of Child Exploitation Footage | TechrightsAug 06 04:58
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 22 files, correct?Aug 06 05:00
DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Aug 06 05:01
schestowitzI love how KDE Dolphin let's me rename files in bulk with a simple UIAug 06 05:01
schestowitzyou highlight all the files, then rename-add preceding textAug 06 05:01
schestowitzI used to do that in the CLIAug 06 05:01
schestowitzalmost there nowAug 06 05:06
schestowitz 06 05:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Release: Search Warrant and Reports on Findings When Bill Gates’ Engineer Arrested for Pedophilia | TechrightsAug 06 05:08
schestowitzSee if it makes sense, DaemonFC[m]Aug 06 05:08
DaemonFC[m] 06 05:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Miranda ApartmentsApartments - Tacoma, WA | Apartments.comAug 06 05:08
DaemonFC[m]John lives here.Aug 06 05:08
DaemonFC[m]1302 S 7th St Apt C Tacoma, WAAug 06 05:09
DaemonFC[m]Looks like the place was falling apart and someone came in and fixed it up.Aug 06 05:10
DaemonFC[m]He moved in April 17th.Aug 06 05:10
schestowitzhe was technicallt arrested, right?Aug 06 05:10
schestowitztechnicallyAug 06 05:11
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: is the English also ok?Aug 06 05:14
schestowitzjust need to be factually solid, 100%Aug 06 05:15
schestowitzand no typos/grammatical mistakesAug 06 05:15
schestowitzas people would pick on them if they exist/edAug 06 05:15
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: you wanna scan some of the hash stuff to see if you can find something of relevance?Aug 06 05:16
schestowitzmyself and another person could find noneAug 06 05:17
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "technically"> Jones?Aug 06 05:19
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, as soon as they read him his rights.Aug 06 05:19
DaemonFC[m]They can use information they gather before they read them, but it's less likely to hold up.Aug 06 05:20
schestowitzcheersAug 06 05:20
schestowitzadded to 06 05:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gates Foundation Critique - TechrightsAug 06 05:20
DaemonFC[m]It's better to just say "I'm sorry, I don't talk to police officers.".Aug 06 05:21
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: we have 3 people connected to him nowwAug 06 05:21
DaemonFC[m]Hand then your driver's license.Aug 06 05:21
schestowitzother than his sister, she seems to have zero relevanceAug 06 05:21
DaemonFC[m]If they proceed to arrest you, don't fight it.Aug 06 05:21
schestowitzhe's stupidAug 06 05:21
schestowitzand a pervertAug 06 05:21
DaemonFC[m]Answering their questions means eventually they'll get something, or they'll get more.Aug 06 05:21
schestowitzand for this he got a job at the mansionAug 06 05:21
schestowitzmaybe he got another jobAug 06 05:22
schestowitzbut I don't want to say what kind (BJ)Aug 06 05:22
DaemonFC[m]Did he go to prison?Aug 06 05:22
DaemonFC[m]I looked up the name in their computer, but it didn't have any links.Aug 06 05:22
schestowitzThe last thign Trump and Gates need it smart people aroudn themAug 06 05:22
schestowitz"Oh, yeah, I know this image, BIll likes it!"Aug 06 05:23
schestowitzThey can deflect and blameAug 06 05:23
schestowitzeven baselesslyAug 06 05:23
schestowitzjust to get the police off their track/scentAug 06 05:23
schestowitzhe was reluctant to name WongAug 06 05:23
schestowitzbut then he realised they probably see his gmail account anywayAug 06 05:23
schestowitzbased on what he sent and what they showed himAug 06 05:23
schestowitzhe didn't yet know they had searched his houseAug 06 05:23
DaemonFC[m]Well, not answering their questions is just.....they might already have something, but you don't know that, and just "confirming what they already know" is badly damaging too.Aug 06 05:24
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 06 05:24
schestowitzThat's the odd partAug 06 05:24
schestowitzsee what judge ruledAug 06 05:24
schestowitzand what happenedAug 06 05:24
DaemonFC[m]Some people run. They'll get you, and then they'll hit you with resisting arrest / fleeing a police officer.Aug 06 05:24
schestowitzthe whole thing reeksAug 06 05:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Release: Search Warrant and Reports on Findings When Bill Gates’ Engineer Arrested for Pedophilia | TechrightsAug 06 05:24
DaemonFC[m]Then that's an entirely new charge for your lawyer to have to fight off.Aug 06 05:24
DaemonFC[m]Prosecutors will charge whatever sticks.Aug 06 05:25
DaemonFC[m]They could think they have a perfectly good child porn case, and it falls apart, but you ran when they tried to arrest you and they can prove that.Aug 06 05:25
DaemonFC[m]You know?Aug 06 05:25
schestowitzone officer is usually young and fit enough o runAug 06 05:25
schestowitzeven if the senior one is obeseAug 06 05:25
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: My first ex, Michael, was 14 when he met some 34 year old teacher on the internet.Aug 06 05:25
DaemonFC[m]He described the stuff they did while they were out in his truck.Aug 06 05:26
schestowitzno need to say hereAug 06 05:26
DaemonFC[m]Then they pull back into the trailer court (yeah), and his mom has the cops there waiting on both of them.Aug 06 05:26
schestowitzanyway, the said teachers was sent to prisonAug 06 05:26
DaemonFC[m]Coincidentally, the guy's name WAS Peter.Aug 06 05:26
DaemonFC[m]So Michael jumps out and shouts "Peter, RUN!" and he spins the tires to get out of there and the cop pull in and trap him.Aug 06 05:27
DaemonFC[m]So the cops got him on inappropriate sexual contact with a minor under 16 and above 13 (it gets worse than that if they're under 13 obviously), and fleeing the police/resisting arrest.Aug 06 05:28
DaemonFC[m]At the trial, the judge turned to Michael and says, "I know you know what you were doing with this guy, and if I see you back in my courtroom, I'm going to find you in contempt even if the state says you're the victim.".Aug 06 05:29
schestowitzwe have a 20-part series on FSF on the wayAug 06 05:30
schestowitzbeing preparedAug 06 05:30
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I figure that John will be arrested for something sooner or later.Aug 06 05:30
DaemonFC[m]He will be tricked by one of those Grindr cops or something. He is that dumb.Aug 06 05:31
schestowitzI can report him to TSaAug 06 05:32
schestowitzprovided you give me a go-aheadAug 06 05:32
schestowitzI can state upfront it's just a tip and won't say where it came fromAug 06 05:33
schestowitzonly where they want to lookAug 06 05:33
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I have 31 hours left on a 12 month probation sentence.Aug 06 05:37
schestowitzOK, thanksAug 06 05:37
DaemonFC[m]Just let them gavel this shut and when the court computer says TERMINATE I'll talk.Aug 06 05:37
schestowitzyour callAug 06 05:37
schestowitzOKAug 06 05:37
schestowitzI think we have all 20 parts ready nowAug 06 05:38
DaemonFC[m]I talked with my mom about it.Aug 06 05:38
schestowitzI'll start with part 1 todayAug 06 05:38
schestowitzthe FSF has a new Pres.Aug 06 05:38
schestowitzAs of 8 hours agoAug 06 05:38
DaemonFC[m]She said she knew he was a weirdo and wondered why I stayed with him. Aug 06 05:38
schestowitzhe does look like a creepAug 06 05:38
schestowitzin the photo I saw of himAug 06 05:38
schestowitzLoo-IsAug 06 05:38
schestowitzLoos means toiletAug 06 05:38
schestowitz*LooAug 06 05:38
DaemonFC[m]I said, "He made 3/4ths of the money and I owned a car with him.".Aug 06 05:38
schestowitzBritish slang/colloquialAug 06 05:39
DaemonFC[m]Fuck the car.Aug 06 05:39
DaemonFC[m]The car went away in the bankruptcy. It's his problem now.Aug 06 05:39
DaemonFC[m]This Impala had to undergo major repairs, but it's running okay now.Aug 06 05:39
DaemonFC[m]It should last 3-4 more years.Aug 06 05:39
schestowitzanyway, enough gosspAug 06 05:39
schestowitzgossipAug 06 05:39
DaemonFC[m]It's one of those "Why didn't I just wait until he was at work and move out?" things. I'll be asking myself that forever.Aug 06 05:40
DaemonFC[m]I still lost in the end. I just lost a lot more than leaving some things and getting the hell out of there.Aug 06 05:40
schestowitzI seeAug 06 05:42
schestowitzbut like I said, this isn't a lifestory channelAug 06 05:42
schestowitzso better to focus on aspects pertaining to digitalAug 06 05:42
schestowitzlike, what we wish to report him to TSA forAug 06 05:42
schestowitzmany people read the IRC logs and want to get the geeky info, not diaries and journals like what I did today of "life of (b)ryan"Aug 06 05:43
schestowitzit would just discourage reading in the long runAug 06 05:43
schestowitzKoffler looks like he's older than 37Aug 06 05:44
schestowitzor maybe the photo does not match the textAug 06 05:44
schestowitzI will mail himAug 06 05:44
schestowitz"Aug 06 05:46
schestowitzHi Kevin,Aug 06 05:46
schestowitzMy name is Roy and I edit Techrights. I recently became aware of what had been done to you at the Fedora-KDE IRC channel and then the ticketing system. I have reasons to suspect the orders/instructions came from somewhere higher up the "pay grade".Aug 06 05:46
schestowitzWould you be willing to discuss the matter?Aug 06 05:46
schestowitz"Aug 06 05:46
DaemonFC[m] 06 05:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Release: Search Warrant and Reports on Findings When Bill Gates’ Engineer Arrested for Pedophilia | TechrightsAug 06 05:47
DaemonFC[m]For some reason, this is garbled in my browser.Aug 06 05:47
schestowitzhe seems like a nice blokeAug 06 05:48
schestowitzand modest, tooAug 06 05:48
schestowitzgarbled in what sense?Aug 06 05:48
schestowitzKevin's blog is neglectedAug 06 05:51
schestowitzsome entries 9 years agiAug 06 05:52
schestowitzthen one 4 years agoAug 06 05:52
schestowitzand one last yearAug 06 05:52
schestowitzthat is itAug 06 05:52
schestowitzanyway, let's see if he respondsAug 06 05:52
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: does it load up the page OK now?Aug 06 05:52
schestowitzI can see no issue, I tried again, the html is rather simple and css also. Should work with browsers as old as 15 yearsAug 06 05:52
DaemonFC[m]Works now.Aug 06 05:55
schestowitzcheers!Aug 06 05:57
schestowitztomorrow I'll publish part 4Aug 06 05:57
schestowitzI already did the screenshots of itAug 06 05:57
schestowitzdo you want to see part of installment 2?Aug 06 05:57
schestowitzwtf? is the redhat piece going 'viral' again?Aug 06 05:59
schestowitz2 reqs/secAug 06 06:00
schestowitzI think this may be a record week for us, traffic-wise, if this pace continues. Largely because of the Red Hat piece. Almost 150k views now.Aug 06 06:03
schestowitz"Aug 06 06:04
schestowitzHi Dr. Roy, I'd like to join your LinkedIn network.Aug 06 06:04
schestowitzAug 06 06:04
schestowitzSohel ShekhaAug 06 06:04
schestowitzMicrosoft MVP | Digital Transformation & Technical Consultant | Architect | International SpeakerAug 06 06:04
schestowitzSingaporeAug 06 06:04
schestowitz"Aug 06 06:04
schestowitzWTF would a Microsofter I never heard of try to connect to my obsolete and unused account, which predates by far MicrosoftAug 06 06:04
schestowitz2006 IIRC is when I opened itAug 06 06:04
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DaemonFC[m]They changed the I-765 for Mandy's work permit.Aug 06 06:08
DaemonFC[m]I either have to get this postmarked by August 25th or fill out the new form.Aug 06 06:08
DaemonFC[m]I'm trying to see what changed.Aug 06 06:08
schestowitzno idea what those codes areAug 06 06:10
schestowitzget him a license to golf as "work", like the Orange OneAug 06 06:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ "The Opposition Division of the EPO revoked the entire European divisional patent EP 2 425 821 applying the mentioned “gold standard” test." #epo #fakepatents Aug 06 06:31
schestowitzAriadne:  WordPress 5.5 is out in a few days. It might be a change to move from LTS to something newer on a new container for WordPress.Aug 06 06:42
schestowitzMight also be a good chance to isolate the CMS of the main site from the restAug 06 06:43
AriadneI don't have time this week but maybe next weekAug 06 06:43
schestowitzcool!Aug 06 06:43
schestowitzAriadne: our article about red hat got 150k viewsAug 06 06:43
schestowitzIIRC, they're the main rival of AlpineAug 06 06:43
schestowitzthe responses pick us for not having working tls/sslAug 06 06:44
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AriadneI would say ubuntu is mainlyAug 06 06:53
kingoffrancei dunno, i wonder if https everywhere makes ddos easier insofaras servers would have more work to doAug 06 07:01
kingoffrances/ddos/[d]dos/Aug 06 07:04
oiaohmkingoffrance: https also makes the client to make a connection have to give more ID information.Aug 06 07:04
oiaohmSo its kind of double sided.Aug 06 07:04
oiaohmkingoffrance: think about if you have like 5 different users coming out of a tor node and only one is the ddos split how are you going to sort that with http.    Https where each user has setup own encrypted tunnel individual dropping is now possible.Aug 06 07:10
oiaohmSo https gives some ddos controls you would not have otherwise.Aug 06 07:11
kingoffrancesure "more work to do" i mean cpu (or maybe they have hw)Aug 06 07:12
oiaohmRemember a DDOS objective is that there attack stops you from providing resources to users.Aug 06 07:13
oiaohmhttps encrypted connection that is already been open could remain letting that user in.Aug 06 07:14
oiaohmEven that you are dropping  extra requests to open connections you don't have the cpu to process right now.Aug 06 07:14
oiaohmhttp you don't have the means to sort out who is existing user already allowed in and new party wanting in/possible ddos pest.Aug 06 07:15
oiaohmYes the ssl processing of https does cause extra cpu load.   But the ssl connection is also providing extra information to split out the site users.Aug 06 07:16
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I sent everything  off to FedEx to print. Now all I should need to do is pick it up and toss it in the mail to USCIS in Chicago with a money order.Aug 06 07:18
DaemonFC[m]Bastards are changing the form on August 25th and if it isn't postmarked by then they want the new form.Aug 06 07:18
DaemonFC[m]They're making small changes. I looked at the new form and can't tell what changed.Aug 06 07:19
DaemonFC[m]Think they're doing things to catch people off guard to be more difficult.Aug 06 07:19
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Let's EncryptAug 06 07:37
DaemonFC[m]Not sure why they are mad about you just having plain http support.Aug 06 07:37
DaemonFC[m]It's not like you're a bank.Aug 06 07:37
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: good luck!Aug 06 08:05
schestowitzAriadne: aka "Debian with a Corporation"Aug 06 08:09
schestowitzAriadne: do you personally know the new FSF Pres?Aug 06 08:12
*schestowitz only saw some old blog posts of his over the yearsAug 06 08:12
Ariadnenot personally.  I know he is one of the GNUstep devsAug 06 08:19
Ariadnehistorically he has been skeptical of some of the FSF campaignsAug 06 08:19
Ariadneso may be an improvementAug 06 08:20
Ariadnekingoffrance: most server CPUs have cryptographic accelerators nowAug 06 08:29
Ariadnethe techrights server is no exception thereAug 06 08:29
kingoffranceyeah, i just didnt know how much sw uses thatAug 06 08:30
kingoffrancepossibly they wanted ssl everywhere for a long time, that was one thing that made it easierAug 06 08:30
Ariadneopenssl will use it.  libressl won't.Aug 06 08:31
Ariadneanyway I think FSF needs to change substantivelyAug 06 08:31
kingoffranceeven like old i810 mb had rng stuff, but i dont think anyone used it 06 08:32
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kingoffranceit was "there" though Aug 06 08:32
Ariadnewe have depended on copyleft to encourage software freedom for a very long timeAug 06 08:32
Ariadnebut really software freedom is a cultural issueAug 06 08:32
AriadneI should write a blog outlining thisAug 06 08:33
Ariadnecopyleft is no longer attractive to me as a strategy for encouraging software freedomAug 06 08:33
Ariadnebetween malicious compliance and corporate corruption of copyleft to enforce monopolistic practiceAug 06 08:34
AriadneI just don't think that's the best path anymoreAug 06 08:34
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Ariadneinstead i think we need to inspire the next generation of developers to consider software freedom the ideal scenarioAug 06 08:35
Ariadneat $dayjob we are going to have to write an alternative to coreutilsAug 06 08:36
Ariadneand customers are scared to use BusyBox because of what moglen didAug 06 08:36
Ariadneover zealous GPL enforcement has done more harm than goodAug 06 08:37
Ariadnethe FSF vs Cisco-Linksys action was a great day for VxWorksAug 06 08:37
schestowitzthe vxworks company adopted LinuxAug 06 08:38
Ariadneyes ultimatelyAug 06 08:38
schestowitzmany embedded companies with their proprietary systems adopt LinuxAug 06 08:38
schestowitzwindriverAug 06 08:38
schestowitzand they brag about itAug 06 08:38
schestowitzLF is a graveyard of projectsAug 06 08:38
schestowitzyou compared it to asfAug 06 08:38
Ariadnemy point isAug 06 08:38
schestowitzwhich seems to make sense given recent LF additionsAug 06 08:38
schestowitzit's just little but a marketing outfitAug 06 08:39
schestowitznot for spying, tooAug 06 08:39
schestowitz*nowAug 06 08:39
Ariadnethe way to ensure software freedom is sustained moving forwardAug 06 08:39
Ariadneis to make it desirableAug 06 08:39
schestowitzBTW, I agree copyleft is not enoughAug 06 08:39
AriadneMongoDB abuse of AGPL is another exampleAug 06 08:39
schestowitzwhich is why fsf fell so far behind Aug 06 08:40
schestowitzagpl also isn't enoughAug 06 08:40
AriadneI think copyleft is not really the solutionAug 06 08:40
schestowitz4 freedom idol worshipAug 06 08:40
Ariadneit has to be culturalAug 06 08:40
schestowitzeven the us constitution needed amendmentsAug 06 08:40
schestowitzyes, partlyAug 06 08:40
Ariadnecopyleft was a good strategy for 20th centuryAug 06 08:40
schestowitzlike pleroma workAug 06 08:40
schestowitzdealing with centraliation for network effectAug 06 08:40
Ariadnebut now we need to think about the ecosystem at largeAug 06 08:41
schestowitzgpl does nothing to really tackle those issuesAug 06 08:41
Ariadnebecause copyleft can and is cooptedAug 06 08:41
schestowitz"econsystem"Aug 06 08:41
schestowitzRMS favourite termAug 06 08:41
schestowitzfsf at times lost sight of the threats, the newer onesAug 06 08:42
AriadneGPLv3 killed GPL in a lot of ways because of fragmentation and GPLv2 incompatibilityAug 06 08:42
schestowitzlobbying by monopolists contributed to itAug 06 08:43
Ariadneand that's been the problem of FSF, they are good at licensingAug 06 08:43
schestowitzblack duck, microsoft etc.Aug 06 08:43
schestowitzthey attacked gpl for agesAug 06 08:43
Ariadneyes I agreeAug 06 08:43
schestowitznow with githubAug 06 08:43
schestowitzanother attack on gplAug 06 08:43
schestowitzand also attack on decentralised nature of devAug 06 08:43
schestowitzhahaAug 06 08:44
AriadneI don't agree that GitHub is an attack on gpl but the centralization is problematicAug 06 08:44
schestowitzMicrosoft "found the cure for cancer"Aug 06 08:44
Ariadnewe had this problem with sourceforgeAug 06 08:44
Ariadneand it's frustratingAug 06 08:44
Ariadnebecause I wind up parking my projects on GitHubAug 06 08:44
Ariadnebecause that is where the eyeballs areAug 06 08:45
scientesit isAug 06 08:45
schestowitzjeepers creepersAug 06 08:45
AriadneI don't support all software being in one service though regardless of who owns itAug 06 08:45
Ariadnewe've seen too many of these monolithic forges shut downAug 06 08:45
Ariadnesourceforge, Google Code, berlios, etcAug 06 08:46
schestowitzletsencrypt with certsAug 06 08:46
AriadneLE is concerning yesAug 06 08:46
schestowitzdid you read about their incident?Aug 06 08:46
Ariadneif an attacker gained access to LE systems it could be very badAug 06 08:46
schestowitzthey brushed it under a rugAug 06 08:46
scientesmicrosoft's goal is to keep its cash cows running indefinetelyAug 06 08:46
schestowitznobody noticedAug 06 08:46
schestowitz 06 08:47
scientesbut they are not much of a threatAug 06 08:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Techrights Urges Readers to Ask the Linux Foundation’s Let’s Encrypt (Backed by Companies That Give the NSA Back Doors) Some Hard But Legitimate Questions | TechrightsAug 06 08:47
Ariadnescientes: that is every company ever under capitalismAug 06 08:47
schestowitznever answered any question, eirherAug 06 08:47
scientesI honestly look at amazon's cloud as a product for idiotsAug 06 08:47
scientesthe prices are rediculousAug 06 08:47
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Ariadnesome pricing yesAug 06 08:47
AriadneAWS lightsail is cheapAug 06 08:48
schestowitzit adds upAug 06 08:48
scientesyou use the hardware for more than a month and it is cheaper to just buy itAug 06 08:48
schestowitz"free samples"Aug 06 08:48
AriadneI just wish they would offer ARMAug 06 08:48
schestowitzfor 'charities'Aug 06 08:48
scientesand they get free electricityAug 06 08:48
schestowitz 06 08:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | AWS is Not GNU/Linux and AWS Certification is a Bezos-Leaning Ploy That Rewards People for Memorising Proprietary Interfaces (Vendor Lock-in) | TechrightsAug 06 08:48
AriadneanywayAug 06 08:48
schestowitzAmazon helps ICE, CIA (contract), police, PentagonAug 06 08:49
schestowitzso they might as well coverage postage and power bills, pass black budgetAug 06 08:49
scientesthey just move the move around, scratching each other's backsAug 06 08:49
scientesthat is the entire us economyAug 06 08:49
schestowitz27 trillion debtAug 06 08:49
schestowitzand gdp fell 33%Aug 06 08:49
scientesover-paying for everythingAug 06 08:49
schestowitzin a few monthsAug 06 08:49
Ariadnepoint is we need to make people care about software freedomAug 06 08:49
scientesand the gdp is still fakeAug 06 08:49
schestowitzUS will become JapanAug 06 08:50
Ariadneand not even just software freedom but also right to repairAug 06 08:50
schestowitzlast I checked japan gdp was 40% its national debtAug 06 08:50
schestowitzAriadne: it's an extension of itAug 06 08:50
schestowitzAriadne: covereged in series I work on at this momentAug 06 08:50
schestowitzit's 20 chaptersAug 06 08:50
schestowitzchapter 1 to come out todayAug 06 08:50
Ariadneoh yes, the Trump virus will kill this economy entirelyAug 06 08:50
Ariadneand a ton of people to bootAug 06 08:51
schestowitzbut BIGAug 06 08:51
schestowitzBiggestAug 06 08:51
schestowitzboat show Trump(R)Aug 06 08:51
Ariadnethe death toll gonna be bigAug 06 08:51
schestowitzsee the latestAug 06 08:51
Ariadneyuge as he saysAug 06 08:51
schestowitzon syptomsAug 06 08:51
Ariadneyeah now your hair falls outAug 06 08:51
Ariadneif you get this thingAug 06 08:51
schestowitz08:31] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): ● NEWS ● #YLE #Health ☞ #Finland to start giving boys #HPV #vaccine []Aug 06 08:52
Ariadneor it canAug 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:32] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): ● NEWS ● #NBCNews #Health ☞ #COVI-19 and children: Doctors see link between virus and neurological side effects []Aug 06 08:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Finland to start giving boys HPV vaccine | Yle Uutiset | yle.fiAug 06 08:52
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schestowitz[08:34] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): ● NEWS ● #Bloomberg #Health ☞ #Twitter , #Facebook Block #Trump Video, Citing Covid Misinformation []Aug 06 08:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | COVID-19 and children: Doctors see link between virus and neurological side effectsAug 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:36] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): ● NEWS ● #TheHill #Health ☞ #Facebook removes #Trump post, citing false #COVID19 info []Aug 06 08:52
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schestowitz[08:39] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): ● NEWS ● #Variety #Health ☞ #Facebook , #Twitter Pull Down Trump Videos Claiming Kids Are ‘Immune’ From #COVID19 []Aug 06 08:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook removes Trump post, citing false COVID-19 info | TheHillAug 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:39] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): ● NEWS ● #NBCNews #Health ☞ #Facebook removes #Trump post over #coronavirus misinformation []Aug 06 08:52
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schestowitz[08:42] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): ● NEWS ● #HollywoodReporter #Health ☞ #Facebook , Citing Virus Misinformation, Deletes #Trump Post []Aug 06 08:52
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schestowitz[08:44] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): Microsoft "found the cure for cancer"; what it called the GPL... []Aug 06 08:52
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schestowitzidiotAug 06 08:52
schestowitzhe's ruining them while they're youngAug 06 08:52
schestowitzI guess GOP making kids uneducated is a longstanding longterm strategyAug 06 08:52
Ariadneyeah I think we are going to see disability claims for covidAug 06 08:52
Ariadneuntil next centuryAug 06 08:52
schestowitzand passing gen z to Microsoft as a tiktok 'parcel'Aug 06 08:52
schestowitzbrainwash  can commence in 45 daysAug 06 08:53
schestowitzwith qanon lecturing themAug 06 08:53
Ariadneyeah rightAug 06 08:53
schestowitzAriadne: pilhealth will collapseAug 06 08:53
schestowitzin 2022Aug 06 08:53
schestowitzthey cannot keep up with payments and already cut it to halfAug 06 08:53
AriadneMicrosoft will just shut down tiktokAug 06 08:53
Ariadnebecause they discover it makes no moneyAug 06 08:53
Ariadnelike they did with mixerAug 06 08:53
schestowitzit's about controlAug 06 08:53
schestowitzwhich is worth them moneyAug 06 08:54
schestowitzlike githubAug 06 08:54
schestowitzBTWAug 06 08:54
schestowitzdo you know how much per quarter it loses?Aug 06 08:54
AriadneI feel like bill gates and Trump aren't palsAug 06 08:54
schestowitzMicrosoft mixes it with another reporting unit to hide the losses and their extent of the negative thereAug 06 08:54
schestowitzit measures "goodwill" as valueAug 06 08:54
schestowitzmeaning "lock-in"Aug 06 08:54
AriadneyeahAug 06 08:54
schestowitzfeelsAug 06 08:54
Ariadnethey all do that when they lose moneyAug 06 08:54
schestowitzhe said he's support Trump is Liz Warren and others are picked by BidenAug 06 08:55
Ariadneit's how you spin the fuckup to investorsAug 06 08:55
schestowitzuberAug 06 08:55
schestowitzapparently netflix alsoAug 06 08:55
schestowitzI heard they fake successAug 06 08:55
Ariadnesee also Verizon and OathAug 06 08:55
schestowitzbut cannot corroborate with public sourcesAug 06 08:55
Ariadnewhen they discovered nobody gives a shit about yahooAug 06 08:55
Ariadnethey saidAug 06 08:55
schestowitza lot of the economy is like thatAug 06 08:55
Ariadne4.6 billion goodwill valueAug 06 08:55
schestowitzapple is SAID to be worth 1.7 TriLLION LOL!Aug 06 08:56
schestowitzAmid pandemicAug 06 08:56
schestowitzbecause... APPLE!Aug 06 08:56
Ariadneand then they had to take 4.4 hitAug 06 08:56
schestowitzNokiaAug 06 08:56
schestowitzcaused Microsoft to PUBLICLY report lossesAug 06 08:56
Ariadneoh yeah nokiaAug 06 08:56
Ariadnewas completely fuckedAug 06 08:56
AriadnefinanciallyAug 06 08:56
AriadneI have no idea why MS bought themAug 06 08:57
schestowitz"Microsoft, the world’s most valuable company, declared a profit of $4.5 billion in 1998; when the cost of options awarded that year, plus the change in the value of outstanding options, is deducted, the firm made a loss of $18 billion, according to Smithers." The Economist, 1999 Aug 06 08:57
Ariadnewas a stupid move from all possible business anglesAug 06 08:57
schestowitzI'm sure bill has wealthAug 06 08:57
schestowitzbut billness and other suck the wealth out of collapsing companiesAug 06 08:57
schestowitznothing new about this operandiAug 06 08:57
AriadneBill's wealth is nothing compared to bezosAug 06 08:57
schestowitzthe companies become their shell gamesAug 06 08:57
schestowitzbezos has the momentum nowAug 06 08:58
Ariadnealthough Nokia networksAug 06 08:58
Ariadneis doing wellAug 06 08:58
schestowitzright place, right time, wife also had connectionsAug 06 08:58
schestowitzher dad, the hedge funds etc.Aug 06 08:58
AriadneI mean with 5g rolloutAug 06 08:58
schestowitzthey had the momentum behind them, hard to compete withAug 06 08:58
schestowitzwait till people find out 5g was all/mostly hypeAug 06 08:58
schestowitzand that working on the go is not productiveAug 06 08:58
schestowitzand now chic, eitherAug 06 08:59
schestowitz*notAug 06 08:59
Ariadneyeah Verizon says 5g is hugeAug 06 08:59
AriadnebutAug 06 08:59
schestowitzYUGEAug 06 08:59
Ariadneit's only availableAug 06 08:59
Ariadnein like 2 neighborhoods in denverAug 06 08:59
schestowitzso they can stream like 4kAug 06 08:59
Ariadneso that's pretty worthlessAug 06 08:59
schestowitzon a 1080p screenAug 06 08:59
Ariadneyou can stream 4k on LTE anywayAug 06 08:59
schestowitzof a phoneAug 06 08:59
schestowitzlolAug 06 08:59
schestowitz4k ona  phoneAug 06 08:59
schestowitz"so crisp you can zoom on the the freckle, Ma!Aug 06 09:00
AriadneDenver is millions of people metropolisAug 06 09:00
schestowitz*zoom in onAug 06 09:00
Ariadnethat goes on and on for almost 100 miles wideAug 06 09:00
schestowitzI met someone from Denver this yearAug 06 09:00
Ariadneand 5g is available in 2 neighborhoodsAug 06 09:00
Ariadne2!Aug 06 09:00
schestowitzlucky theyAug 06 09:01
schestowitzthe antenna will give them covid ;-);0)Aug 06 09:01
Ariadnethat is the stupidest rumorAug 06 09:01
schestowitzit helps 5g giantsAug 06 09:01
AriadneTrump probably made it upAug 06 09:01
schestowitzmaybe they spread it intentionallyAug 06 09:01
schestowitzto distract from legit criticsAug 06 09:01
schestowitzand it workedAug 06 09:01
schestowitz5g critics seem like loons by default/on the surface nowAug 06 09:02
schestowitzlike gates criticsAug 06 09:02
schestowitzit used to be honourableAug 06 09:02
Ariadnewell my problem with 5g isAug 06 09:02
schestowitznow they're associated with nuts by defaultAug 06 09:02
Ariadneit's not really any better than 4gAug 06 09:02
schestowitzit poses risk to sat commsAug 06 09:02
Ariadneunless you use the mmwaveAug 06 09:02
Ariadnewhich has like fuck all rangeAug 06 09:02
Ariadneand interferes with sat bandaAug 06 09:02
Ariadnebands*Aug 06 09:02
schestowitzyeahAug 06 09:03
schestowitzlike I said...Aug 06 09:03
schestowitzFCC is part of the marketingAug 06 09:03
Ariadnereality is you need low and mid band spectrum to make cellular networks viableAug 06 09:03
Ariadnemmwave ain't otAug 06 09:03
Ariadneand 5g RAN is only 1-2% more spectral efficiency over LTEAug 06 09:04
Ariadnefor low and midband spectrumAug 06 09:04
Ariadneas soon as you go indoorsAug 06 09:04
Ariadneyou immediately lose mmwaveAug 06 09:04
Ariadneso it's worthlessAug 06 09:05
Ariadnebetter to focus on moving 4g voice to VoIP/VoLTEAug 06 09:05
Ariadneand not bother with 5g imoAug 06 09:05
Ariadneoh alsoAug 06 09:06
Ariadne5g phones have separate modemAug 06 09:06
Ariadneit's not on the SoCAug 06 09:06
Ariadneso good luck with getting decent battery lifeAug 06 09:06
schestowitzdon't worryAug 06 09:06
schestowitzwe'll see more catching on fireAug 06 09:06
schestowitzI still have devices with batts that last a weekAug 06 09:07
oiaohmAriadne: there are a few phones where the 4G modem is not in the SoC as well and get decent battery life.Aug 06 09:07
schestowitzthey don't have "apps" that dispatch packets to towers several times per minuteAug 06 09:07
Ariadnethose phones are tuned for thatAug 06 09:07
Ariadneschestowitz: my blackberries used to get like a week battery lifeAug 06 09:07
schestowitznowadays, "decent" means two days, no chargeAug 06 09:08
oiaohmAriadne: its security thing as well if you need to add a physical off switch to modem for customer its a little hard if it in the soc.Aug 06 09:08
schestowitzAriadne: I think old Nokias could do a month if not on callAug 06 09:08
schestowitzstandby with antennas doing the wake-upAug 06 09:08
Ariadneoiaohm: sure but I'm talking average phoneAug 06 09:08
oiaohmLot of feature phones the modem is not in the soc.Aug 06 09:09
schestowitzmy Palm PDA  lasts daysAug 06 09:09
Ariadnewhat I liked is howAug 06 09:09
Ariadnethe government told peopleAug 06 09:09
schestowitzand it was manufactured a very long time ago, back when I was a teenagerAug 06 09:09
Ariadnedownload these covid tracing appsAug 06 09:09
Ariadnewe won't use your data for anything other than covid tracingAug 06 09:09
Ariadnethen the protests started upAug 06 09:09
schestowitzyesterday two coffee shops asked us to get "apps"Aug 06 09:09
Ariadneand bamAug 06 09:09
schestowitzWe were like... byeAug 06 09:09
Ariadnenow they are using that data to arrest peopleAug 06 09:10
schestowitzthey also rejected cash paymentsAug 06 09:10
scientesin soviet land covid tracks youAug 06 09:10
scientesAriadne, well duh, covid is a made-up threatAug 06 09:10
schestowitznow LF does itAug 06 09:10
Ariadnescientes: no it's notAug 06 09:10
schestowitz 06 09:10
scientesyes it isAug 06 09:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] Linux (or Linux Foundation) Rapidly Becoming ‘Stalin’s Dream’ | TechrightsAug 06 09:10
schestowitzLF advocates this shitAug 06 09:10
Ariadne150k people have diedAug 06 09:10
schestowitzmarketing frontAug 06 09:10
scientesthey are faking the death certificatesAug 06 09:10
schestowitzfor Microsoft, GitHub etc.Aug 06 09:10
Ariadneyeah okAug 06 09:10
Ariadnewhatever you say manAug 06 09:10
schestowitzreal death toll is higherAug 06 09:11
Ariadnei have a friend who got it and it fucked him up so bad he had a strokeAug 06 09:11
Ariadnethat shit is no jokeAug 06 09:11
schestowitzthey don't count suicide yetAug 06 09:11
schestowitzor deaths at homeAug 06 09:11
schestowitzor in countries that fake the count downwardsAug 06 09:11
schestowitzto quell uprise/dissentAug 06 09:11
schestowitzAriadne: it does cause heart issuesAug 06 09:12
schestowitz 06 09:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Outcomes of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance Imaging in Patients Recently Recovered From Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) | Cardiology | JAMA Cardiology | JAMA NetworkAug 06 09:12
schestowitznew study, GermanyAug 06 09:12
Ariadneseems to cause everything issuesAug 06 09:12
schestowitzalmost all recovered/released people have heart damageAug 06 09:12
schestowitzeven young, even those who stayed home all throughoutAug 06 09:12
AriadneyepAug 06 09:12
Ariadneit's sadAug 06 09:12
schestowitzaside from lung scarringAug 06 09:12
Ariadneit also didn't have to be that wayAug 06 09:13
schestowitzand neural damageAug 06 09:13
Ariadnewe could have had a competent administrationAug 06 09:13
schestowitztime will tell us how to extrapolate tollAug 06 09:13
Ariadnethat uhhAug 06 09:13
Ariadneyou knowAug 06 09:13
schestowitzmaybe our PM will be back in hospital by xmasAug 06 09:13
Ariadnetook action to get the situation under controlAug 06 09:13
Ariadneinstead of suggest injecting bleachAug 06 09:13
schestowitz"contact tracing" says nothing about tracingAug 06 09:13
schestowitzso broad a termAug 06 09:14
schestowitzmight as well be a term you find in NSA and FBI leaksAug 06 09:14
schestowitzwe did "contact tracing" on JohnAug 06 09:14
Ariadnewell contact tracing is legit, if someone tests positive they call the people he associates with and so onAug 06 09:14
Ariadnethat is how you break a transmission chainAug 06 09:15
schestowitzAriadne: well Donald "bleach for brains" is now disowned even by a quiet GOP majorityAug 06 09:15
schestowitzbut they're too opportunistic a bunch of cowards to do what Amash didAug 06 09:15
schestowitzor Romney evenAug 06 09:15
Ariadneinstead of doing the right thingAug 06 09:15
Ariadnehe turned an epidemicAug 06 09:15
Ariadneinto a political propAug 06 09:15
schestowitz Aug 06 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is the U.S. a failed state in 2020? Experts' answers range from "maybe" to "hell, yes" | Salon.comAug 06 09:16
scientesduhAug 06 09:16
scientesFormer United State of AmericaAug 06 09:17
schestowitz 06 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Donald Trump’s Trash Against China Helps Prop up Microsoft Monopoly and Distract From All the Microsoft Layoffs | TechrightsAug 06 09:17
schestowitzI love those two photosAug 06 09:17
schestowitz(also the film)Aug 06 09:17
schestowitzscientes: what's the FUSSA anyway?Aug 06 09:18
Ariadneanyway nightAug 06 09:18
schestowitz(with Italian accent)Aug 06 09:19
schestowitzAriadne: nnAug 06 09:19
scientes> The coronavirus shutdowns have proven that cities at this point don’t serve any vital function at all. They could just be disbanded. TAug 06 09:36
scientesdamn straightAug 06 09:36
schestowitzpopulation  density alone isn't the culpritAug 06 09:53
schestowitzand if people are populated inside cities, there will be no nature leftAug 06 09:53
scientesthat is neither here nor thereAug 06 09:57
scientesthe fact remains that the cities have been proven expendableAug 06 09:58
scientessuperfluousAug 06 09:58
scientesthey are not industrial centersAug 06 09:58
schestowitzextended factory spaceAug 06 10:09
schestowitzwoth bedsAug 06 10:09
schestowitz*withAug 06 10:09
schestowitzrefectories disguised as "lifestyle", e.g. "Starbucks"Aug 06 10:10
schestowitz"have another cup, sir, and repeat after me, I AM FREE!"Aug 06 10:10
schestowitznew york city is said to be the prison built by its own tenants, who are afraid to leave itAug 06 10:11
akinguYou can't say the economic and academic output of a city is expendable and immediately transferable to rural dwellingsAug 06 10:16
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schestowitz[11:58] <schestowitz> > THE FSF NOW HAS A MICROSOFT DEVELOPER FOR A PRESIDENT!Aug 06 11:58
schestowitz[11:58] <schestowitz> > Aug 06 11:58
schestowitz[11:58] <schestowitz> > (Insomuch as he is a GitHub sponsor, PRO user and actively developingAug 06 11:58
schestowitz[11:58] <schestowitz> > with Racket on GitHub)Aug 06 11:58
schestowitz[11:58] <schestowitz> > Aug 06 11:58
schestowitz[11:58] <schestowitz> > FUCKING HOORAYAug 06 11:58
schestowitz[12:00] <schestowitz> Re: WAIT IT GETS BETTERAug 06 12:00
schestowitz[12:00] <schestowitz> > New FSF Pres:Aug 06 12:00
schestowitz[12:00] <schestowitz> > Aug 06 12:00
schestowitz[12:00] <schestowitz> > ARCTIC CODE VAULT Contributor!Aug 06 12:00
schestowitz[12:00] <schestowitz> > Aug 06 12:00
schestowitz[12:00] <schestowitz> > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAug 06 12:00
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akinguschestowitz: The new FSF pres exalted the virtues of the iPhone being a non-open schematic device as a security feature on stage when I asked a question at copyleftconfAug 06 12:18
schestowitzcopyleft-conAug 06 12:19
schestowitz:-)Aug 06 12:19
akinguThat will probably never be published, but the whole thing was a comedyAug 06 12:19
MinceRlolAug 06 12:19
schestowitz 06 12:19
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akinguI go there for the anthropology. It gets crazier and crazier, but a lot of good people and discussion to be hadAug 06 12:19
schestowitzakingu: you mean the answer won't be published?Aug 06 12:19
schestowitzThey sell keynotes to MicrosoftAug 06 12:20
schestowitzliterallyAug 06 12:20
schestowitz 06 12:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The High Cost of Taking Microsoft Cash to Sell Them Keynotes in Copyleft Conf | TechrightsAug 06 12:20
akinguYes, it is taped, but the video won't be up I don't thinkAug 06 12:20
schestowitzakingu: I am almost done with an article about concessions at FSFAug 06 12:20
schestowitzakingu: do you have the tape or know who has it?Aug 06 12:20
akinguGoogle and RedHat also had some talks that seemed paid, don't know if they were.Aug 06 12:22
akinguAnd the person that made the Covenant CoC was there. I ran out of available questions since I was a white male.Aug 06 12:22
akinguBut the new thing is "ethical software"Aug 06 12:23
schestowitz"What are you, a COMMUNIST?"Aug 06 12:23
akinguI used to be at-leastAug 06 12:23
akinguIn that company I am an anti- whatever label they want to pickAug 06 12:23
schestowitz(if you mention taking bribes or unethical cash)Aug 06 12:24
schestowitzthey talk about "ethical software", ask them about unethical cashAug 06 12:24
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akinguEthical software is stuff that has things like "should not be used for evil 1 2 3" in the licenseAug 06 12:24
schestowitzor dual licenceAug 06 12:24
schestowitzone for FreeSWAug 06 12:24
schestowitzand a sort of preambleAug 06 12:24
schestowitz1 2 3 4 companies cannot use thisAug 06 12:25
schestowitzin violation of 5 6 in OSI's own bookAug 06 12:25
akinguWhich fundamentally means it is incompatible, ineffective if used at all, and does the opposite of removing personal biases in licenses"Aug 06 12:25
schestowitzso what they "add" is contraction not only of FreeSW but also OSSAug 06 12:25
akinguPersonal biases in licenses was supposedly a big problem. "White males detected" in that line of reasoning, and no diversity bonus for jews in the mix.Aug 06 12:26
MinceRwho the hell even let some crybully scum into a free software event?Aug 06 12:27
MinceR"ethical software" is not free softwareAug 06 12:27
akinguHere it is 06 12:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ethical Source | Ethical Source: Open Source, EvolvedAug 06 12:28
akinguEthical software is something I coined and wrote down as I was listening to the talk. The joke is that Ethical source != ethical softwareAug 06 12:29
akinguAt first I just reversed all the points, and I had a strict requirement of not allowing CoCs, but then I found that counterproductive.Aug 06 12:30
schestowitz[12:26] <akingu> Personal biases in licenses was supposedly a big problem. "White males detected" in that line of reasoning, and no diversity bonus for jews in the mix.Aug 06 12:30
schestowitzThe person who came up with this licence is also white maleAug 06 12:30
schestowitzor wasAug 06 12:30
akinguAnd then I didnt want to be influenced by ethical source, so I rewrote the whole thingAug 06 12:30
akinguschestowitz: I think the math works out to bonus points for reducing the count of white males by 1.Aug 06 12:32
schestowitzI sometimes have to ask women how they feel about these people speaking 'for' themAug 06 12:32
schestowitzor claiming to be a victim on their behaldAug 06 12:32
schestowitz*behalfAug 06 12:32
schestowitzor people who speak for blacks when banning wordsAug 06 12:32
schestowitzwhen actual blacks don't seem botheredAug 06 12:32
schestowitzthey want another kind of justiceAug 06 12:32
schestowitzeconomic, respect etc.Aug 06 12:33
akinguCan't remember a good argument on the basis of speaking on behalf of a group, hypocricy or notAug 06 12:33
schestowitz  User Libre: Free Computing For Everyone, Start With Perfection      Aug 06 12:34
schestowitzI will also publish Ch. 2 nowAug 06 12:34
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schestowitzi can declare myself hispanic and disabled tomorrow, then speak on behalf of themAug 06 12:34
schestowitzbut I would not expect to be regarded as anything but a pranksterAug 06 12:34
schestowitzand rightly soAug 06 12:35
akinguThe reductio ad absurdum is built in. I declare myself a minority as someone who sees this, and seek inclusion in my group.Aug 06 12:35
MinceRevery individual is a minorityAug 06 12:36
akinguYou are working hard. Less time seems to go into website design, is this to promote RSS as a medium?Aug 06 12:36
akinguMinceR: How dare you not group me in with my preferred in-group.Aug 06 12:37
MinceR:>Aug 06 12:37
akingu:)Aug 06 12:37
schestowitzakingu: I encourage RSS, yesAug 06 12:37
schestowitzthe site supports browsers as old as 2004 or earlierAug 06 12:37
schestowitzyou would be surprised...Aug 06 12:37
schestowitzin RSS we're all 'naked'Aug 06 12:38
schestowitzand only the substance countsAug 06 12:38
MinceRkinkyAug 06 12:38
schestowitznot fonts or ssl or whateverAug 06 12:38
schestowitzjust words and sometimes picturesAug 06 12:38
schestowitzyou can style the page in the RSS readerAug 06 12:38
schestowitzMinceR: naked as in css-lessAug 06 12:38
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: User Libre: Free Computing For Everyone, Start With Perfection []Aug 06 12:40
akinguAnd in narrow-vision. Good timesAug 06 12:40
schestowitzthat's another aspect Aug 06 12:40
schestowitzaccessibilityAug 06 12:40
schestowitzthe word can make fun of me for fontsAug 06 12:41
schestowitzor other crapAug 06 12:41
schestowitzI'll carry on writing and focusing on what mattersAug 06 12:41
schestowitz[11:54] <schestowitz> >>>> I think this may be a record week for us, traffic-wise, if this paceAug 06 12:41
schestowitz[11:54] <schestowitz> >>>> continues. Largely because of the Red Hat piece. Almost 150k views now.Aug 06 12:41
schestowitz[11:54] <schestowitz> >>> Yes, congratulations.  I notice that many of the non-humor posts haveAug 06 12:41
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schestowitz[11:54] <schestowitz> >>> been quite excellent of late.  The RH piece is rather important becauseAug 06 12:41
schestowitz[11:54] <schestowitz> >>> RH has had such a large impact on the development of GNU/Linux inAug 06 12:41
schestowitz[11:54] <schestowitz> >>> general.  Until recently, prior to their adding microsofters to theirAug 06 12:41
schestowitz[11:54] <schestowitz> >>> roster and prior to the IBM sale, their influence has been mostlyAug 06 12:41
schestowitz[11:54] <schestowitz> >>> positive.Aug 06 12:41
schestowitz[11:54] <schestowitz> >>>Aug 06 12:41
schestowitz[11:54] <schestowitz> >>> The articles do still get censored quite quickly from m$ shit holes likeAug 06 12:41
schestowitz[11:54] <schestowitz> >>> Reddit and HN, however.Aug 06 12:41
schestowitz[11:54] <schestowitz> >> We should expect that. But we're self-hosted in a way, so they cannotAug 06 12:41
schestowitz[11:54] <schestowitz> >> 'cancel' us. It's complicated. No response of substance yet, only adAug 06 12:41
schestowitz[11:54] <schestowitz> >> hominem.Aug 06 12:41
schestowitz[11:54] <schestowitz> > Yes, I've also noticed that all the attempts at counters have been adAug 06 12:41
schestowitz[11:54] <schestowitz> > honimen.  Technically that it them declaring TR right and resigning fromAug 06 12:41
schestowitz[11:54] <schestowitz> > the debate.  However, keep in mind that systemd got pounded throughAug 06 12:41
schestowitz[11:54] <schestowitz> > Debian through a mixture of ad hominem and ad novitam.  Later, whenAug 06 12:42
schestowitz[11:54] <schestowitz> > Debian derivatives succumbed as a natural result of being down stream,Aug 06 12:42
schestowitz[11:54] <schestowitz> > they could even add ad populum.  These are all fallacies.Aug 06 12:42
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akinguI'll send an article if it doesn't fit the Remmina blog :)Aug 06 12:46
akinguIs there a list of things someone should write something about?Aug 06 12:46
schestowitzyesAug 06 12:46
schestowitzyou want some ideas?Aug 06 12:46
akinguSureAug 06 12:49
akinguI mean yesAug 06 12:49
schestowitzfigosdev might be writing about the FSF's new pres. Aug 06 12:50
schestowitzwhom I know less about then he doesAug 06 12:50
akinguAlacarte salad-wordbar seems to be my forteAug 06 12:50
schestowitzI want to research what DC migrations Fedora did the past 2-3 monthsAug 06 12:51
schestowitzthere was one last night alsoAug 06 12:51
schestowitzcolo changeAug 06 12:51
schestowitzwhere do they migrate and why?Aug 06 12:51
akinguI know he isn't RMS, and thats where my willingness to learn dropped offAug 06 12:51
akinguDC?Aug 06 12:52
schestowitzI associate his project with Apple and GitHubAug 06 12:52
schestowitzand that's all I needed to knowAug 06 12:52
schestowitzdatacentreAug 06 12:52
schestowitzand colo last nightAug 06 12:52
schestowitzsomething is going onAug 06 12:52
akinguGreenhost is moving away from HK following some new laws etc etcAug 06 12:52
schestowitzThe Planet Fedora people didn't comment on the nature and reason for the moveAug 06 12:52
schestowitzDaemonFC[m] mentioned something about AzureAug 06 12:53
schestowitzand they already use Microsoft a lot 06 12:53
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schestowitzPlanet Fedora also directly links a lot to GitHubAug 06 12:53
schestowitzIBM's new CEO mentions AzureAug 06 12:54
schestowitzas if it's worth a damn to bother withAug 06 12:54
schestowitzand does religious gestures with Modi (last month)Aug 06 12:54
schestowitzhe had a red hat at the backAug 06 12:54
schestowitzanother taskAug 06 12:54
akingu is the postAug 06 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 0bin - encrypted pastebinAug 06 12:54
schestowitzfind out what OS Krishna is usingAug 06 12:54
akinguThat is OTF/RFA money basedAug 06 12:54
schestowitzI know it's not an easy taskAug 06 12:54
akinguWhy would IBM bother with Azure when they have "vertical integration" down to the silicon?Aug 06 12:55
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schestowitzRed Hat did tooAug 06 12:56
schestowitzunder the new managementAug 06 12:56
schestowitzsome of whom ex-MicrosoftersAug 06 12:56
schestowitz'ex'Aug 06 12:56
schestowitzYesterday Red Hat propped up .NET againAug 06 12:56
MinceRwasn't that the old IBM, before they sold off most of their business?Aug 06 12:56
schestowitzin their official siteAug 06 12:56
akingu is the OTF possibly not being funded anymore noticeAug 06 12:57
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schestowitz 06 12:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM Is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning : bprogrammingAug 06 12:57
schestowitzjust nowAug 06 12:57
schestowitzreddit comments aee crapAug 06 12:57
schestowitz*areAug 06 12:57
schestowitzthose idiots would clap for back doors called "security"Aug 06 12:58
schestowitzand bash people who actually speak of provable, verifiable issuesAug 06 12:58
akinguMinceR: They sold a bunch of non-crucial stuff, like all their old equipment services.Aug 06 12:58
schestowitzreddit has long been this crap, it's not newAug 06 12:58
schestowitzakingu: to chhhhoinaAug 06 12:58
schestowitzI could do the Trump voice of thatAug 06 12:58
MinceRlike their storage device division, their personal computer divisionAug 06 12:58
MinceRJynaAug 06 12:58
schestowitzwith the rectum-looking mouth moving Aug 06 12:58
schestowitz"chooooina..."Aug 06 12:58
MinceRand then they became card-carrying crApple shillsAug 06 12:59
akinguSome company, I know a guy who got sold. Still works the same building, which real-IBM is in now at the other side ofAug 06 12:59
MinceRthat isn't "vertical integration" eitherAug 06 12:59
schestowitzvertical integration sounds like a sex position... for them for fuck us overAug 06 12:59
schestowitz(IBM)Aug 06 12:59
akinguWell they own Power, datacentres, and RedHat. Plus enough patents to stuff both socksAug 06 13:00
schestowitz"Hey, Jim", drop that linux shit, here in the boardroom we use MACBOOK PRO"Aug 06 13:00
schestowitzThey even do photo ops with Tim CrookAug 06 13:01
MinceRah yes, shilling for an enemy of general purpose computers, patent abuse, attempting to kill Unix and selling CPUs nobody buys must be the new "vertical integration"Aug 06 13:01
schestowitzAt least Virgnia didAug 06 13:01
schestowitz"Ginni"Aug 06 13:01
akinguWell they have to discuss strategies for not poaching each-others visa-hiresAug 06 13:01
schestowitzThey are so openly friendly with AppleAug 06 13:01
schestowitzbut never with GNU/Linux luminariesAug 06 13:01
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akinguWell, the stuff in the media is probably more Apple, because it sells clicksAug 06 13:03
MinceRi wonder which came first: POWER being way too expensive for what it is, or nobody buying POWER CPUsAug 06 13:03
akinguPlenty of POWER in networking equipment. IBM is where the monies areAug 06 13:03
akingu is an interesting initiativeAug 06 13:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GNU/Linux Open Hardware PowerPC notebook - An Open Hardware project for everyone, a PowerPC Notebook for you. Join now!Aug 06 13:04
akinguIntel has crapolaed their manufacturing process, so IBM could sell more chips with that advantage gone. AMD is doing itAug 06 13:06
akinguSomehow Intel is way profitable, but is doing everything in their power to fail. Doesn't add up to meAug 06 13:06
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akinguNot that I am some business genious, just seems odd.Aug 06 13:07
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MinceRcontrolled oligopoly and collusion with the government of uhmerica?Aug 06 13:07
akinguBut that isn't new.Aug 06 13:08
akingu"where's the money lebowski?"Aug 06 13:14
schestowitz[13:03] <akingu> Well, the stuff in the media is probably more Apple, because it sells clicksAug 06 13:18
schestowitzthe key term is "sells"Aug 06 13:18
schestowitzApple has marketing budgetAug 06 13:18
schestowitzthat money is put in circulation to rewards those who cover AppleAug 06 13:18
schestowitze.g. publishers downstreamAug 06 13:18
schestowitzit's media bribesAug 06 13:18
schestowitzMicrosoft does the same thing, as do the 5g patent holders and his billness gatesAug 06 13:18
MinceRintel being profitable also isn't newAug 06 13:19
akinguApple has this neat trick where they pay out dividends of each sale at the end of the year to businesses selling iPhones and the likeAug 06 13:20
akinguIt is some sort of tax trick. I think it avoids sales tax on each unitAug 06 13:20
akinguFor the part that is just markup profitAug 06 13:20
akinguThat and they have their stores sometimes in regular ones so they can access sales data for the general marketAug 06 13:23
schestowitzakingu: question..Aug 06 13:35
schestowitzdo you know of an online page that details the stuff you describe about new fsf pres?Aug 06 13:35
schestowitzakingu: it's a loophole apple and others make for themselvesAug 06 13:36
schestowitzaks, a crime that they come up with, then spend a fortune 'legalising'Aug 06 13:36
schestowitzand then they tell us, "look! It's the law! We're just taking advantage of this law"Aug 06 13:37
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akinguschestowitz: I think the talk is up. I'll look through it to see if I can find the actual quoteAug 06 13:47
akinguI didn't really believe what I heard, so might have gotten it wrongAug 06 13:48
psydreadMS people are really vicious, if you prove them wrong they resort to ad hominem attacksAug 06 13:49
psydreadand if their company goes down, they infiltrate all other companies to bring them down as wellAug 06 13:49
schestowitzis this OK? "Congratulations to the FSF, which elected a president almost a year after pushing RMS (its founder) out; but questions need to be answered by the new president, who apparently sees nothing wrong re-enforcing the Microsoft monopoly, participating in a PR ploy designed to distract from the notorious ICE contract, and even paying Microsoft (as if it deserves the money)"Aug 06 13:55
schestowitzakingu: please doAug 06 13:55
schestowitzwe need to air it (raw) is possibleAug 06 13:56
schestowitzlet people decidedAug 06 13:56
schestowitzpsydread: yes, that is their modusAug 06 13:56
schestowitzpsydread: and they keep at it because it works, and they got good at itAug 06 13:56
MinceR 06 13:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4338754)Aug 06 13:56
schestowitzBill Gates paid my boss like a month after I started writing about pedophile of his engineerAug 06 13:56
schestowitzBill Gates paid my boss like a month after I started writing about pedophile being his engineerAug 06 13:57
XRevan86MinceR: Obvious posing.Aug 06 13:57
MinceR:)Aug 06 13:57
akingu 44:30 catches the quoteAug 06 13:57
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akinguOne could say it brought up in a theoretical sense, but I was gobsmacked nontheless hearing it from the head of the FSFAug 06 13:58
schestowitzwho are the people in this pane;?Aug 06 13:59
akinguIt says at the beginningAug 06 14:00
schestowitzIs Bradley sitting next to ..., is this Walli?Aug 06 14:00
akinguJohn Sullivan is a "card-carrying poet"Aug 06 14:00
schestowitzor John?Aug 06 14:00
schestowitzI think Brad's legs are almost as unhealthy looking as Torvalds'Aug 06 14:01
akinguBrad next to john, next to woman who wrote artistic license and works on hardware, then some lawyer woman at the endAug 06 14:01
schestowitzas long as they didn't invite CooperAug 06 14:01
schestowitzShe's a Gates agent, sponsored by him for "inner" source etc.Aug 06 14:02
schestowitzcan IA videos be easily embedded?Aug 06 14:02
schestowitzI never triedAug 06 14:02
akinguMaybe[]=subject%3A%22copyleftconf2020%22 canAug 06 14:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | User AccountAug 06 14:03
akingu 2020Aug 06 14:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | CopyleftConf 2020 | VideosAug 06 14:03
akingu41:05 features the idiot (me) asking the question leading to said exchangeAug 06 14:05
schestowitz 06 14:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] RMS Succeeded by a Microsoft Sponsor | TechrightsAug 06 14:06
akinguThe answers, except for bradley, sound as moronic now as they did then. Exactly how I remember itAug 06 14:10
schestowitzIs it the new president there, anywhere?Aug 06 14:11
schestowitzwow, only 40 videos for this videoAug 06 14:11
schestowitzvideo views I meanAug 06 14:11
schestowitzalso not many videos overallAug 06 14:11
schestowitzlooks crummyAug 06 14:11
schestowitzYou mean co-processors?Aug 06 14:12
schestowitzHer answer starts reasonableAug 06 14:14
akinguyes, but she doesn't understand the questionAug 06 14:14
schestowitzThen you re-askAug 06 14:14
schestowitzand she still deals Ok with the questionAug 06 14:15
schestowitzto be fair to herAug 06 14:15
akinguIsn't that exactly what I did?Aug 06 14:15
schestowitzit's a hard questionAug 06 14:15
schestowitzOK, now BradAug 06 14:15
akinguIf a third-party has access to your runtime in real-time, the idea of using as you wish is gone.Aug 06 14:15
akinguBoth for security, and a meaningful idea of user freedom, that is relevant.Aug 06 14:16
schestowitzIs Mr. Arctic Vault at the event?Aug 06 14:16
schestowitz 06 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gknauth (Geoffrey Knauth) · GitHubAug 06 14:16
schestowitzakingu: yes, it's a messAug 06 14:16
akinguDon't know who that is, but putting "linguist" in the profile is suspect. Said the linguist.Aug 06 14:17
schestowitzI think their responses aren't so unreasonableAug 06 14:17
schestowitz(don't be insulted)Aug 06 14:17
schestowitzbut we know some of them are defeatistsAug 06 14:18
akinguIf your critique is that he has pro, I think you can get that without paying, by being in the GitHub dev programme, or maybe by donating money to others?Aug 06 14:18
*schestowitz has a firmware installed for wifi right now, in Debian...Aug 06 14:18
schestowitzakingu: circulating moneyAug 06 14:18
schestowitznot merely mirroring thereAug 06 14:18
akinguHmm, he doesn't have "Developer program member" up, but you can pick your badgesAug 06 14:19
akinguI was happy to get the vault one, but then I noticed absolutely everyone has it ;)Aug 06 14:20
MinceR(cat) (audio:important) 06 14:20
schestowitzHmm.. must be a new thing thenAug 06 14:21
schestowitz 06 14:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-allanday (Allan Day) · GitHubAug 06 14:21
schestowitzthey help a PR stuntAug 06 14:21
schestowitzby just having an account thereAug 06 14:21
akinguI am uninsultable (I think)Aug 06 14:21
schestowitzakingu: I can rip the video or parts of itAug 06 14:21
schestowitzif there's a big faux pasAug 06 14:21
schestowitzwas Knauth there at all?Aug 06 14:22
schestowitz[12:18] <akingu> schestowitz: The new FSF pres exalted the virtues of the iPhone being a non-open schematic device as a security feature on stage when I asked a question at copyleftconfAug 06 14:22
schestowitzYou mean director?Aug 06 14:22
akinguMaybe? Who is that?Aug 06 14:22
schestowitzjohn?Aug 06 14:22
schestowitzco-presAug 06 14:22
schestowitzwith OlivaAug 06 14:22
schestowitzfor 10 months?Aug 06 14:22
akinguschestowitz: The correct critique is that he entertained the idea as valid, as posed by othersAug 06 14:23
akinguWhich RMS would never ever ever doAug 06 14:23
schestowitztrueAug 06 14:24
schestowitzakingu: I agreeAug 06 14:24
schestowitzbut just to be clear, it was about John, not the new Pres. who seems to not even be at that eventAug 06 14:24
schestowitzAre you good at video ripping?Aug 06 14:24
schestowitzon this machine I don't have a video editor installed yetAug 06 14:24
schestowitzIf you can download the file (right-hand side)Aug 06 14:24
schestowitzthen crop the section of your questionAug 06 14:24
schestowitzthen toss it on webspace, I will do a post about itAug 06 14:25
schestowitzogg or similar preferablyAug 06 14:25
schestowitzfor self-hostedAug 06 14:25
akinguYou mean just the quote, or the whole question and follow-up?Aug 06 14:25
schestowitzfollow-ups alsoAug 06 14:25
schestowitzit's about 100 secondsAug 06 14:26
schestowitzcan be 600px wide or less, maybe about 5 MB video if moderate quality+audio in itAug 06 14:26
schestowitz 06 14:27
akinguI found a way to start video at a specific pointAug 06 14:28
schestowitzgood!Aug 06 14:31
schestowitzalthough a local copy would be preferable still, I don't suppose rippers exist for IAAug 06 14:32
schestowitzlast year copyleft-CON put a copy in YouTubeAug 06 14:32
schestowitzfor that I have a ripperAug 06 14:32
akingu 06 14:33
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schestowitzcheersAug 06 14:33
schestowitzto be sure, the event was before rms 'ousted'?Aug 06 14:33
schestowitzi.e. before john was co-pres?Aug 06 14:33
akinguAfterAug 06 14:35
schestowitzOK, cheersAug 06 14:36
schestowitzI will write somethingAug 06 14:36
schestowitzDid you consider taking any of the above topics I mentioned that are in the todo listAug 06 14:36
schestowitz(researching bits that are hard to decipher because of secrecy)Aug 06 14:36
akinguThe first woman just responds as if I didn't say "not known", and I said "some level of freedom", and "some copyleft license" (where copyleft doesn't neccesitate libre, but that is beside my point to make)Aug 06 14:37
akinguI don't want to be on YouTubeAug 06 14:38
akinguI can write down the exchange in text, and then the video can be linked to?Aug 06 14:38
akinguI notice I speak in a way that isn't very easy to follow.Aug 06 14:39
schestowitzplease, yesAug 06 14:39
schestowitzdo the textAug 06 14:39
schestowitzI have a draftAug 06 14:39
schestowitzdraft like this:Aug 06 14:39
schestowitzVideo: Microsoft-Sponsored 'Copyleft' Conf (Keynote Sold to Microsoft, a Serial GPL Violator and Primary FUD Source) Features Previous FSF (Co)PresidentAug 06 14:39
schestowitzA READER has brought to our attention this <a href="" title="Videos">video uploaded back in April</a> to the <a href="" title="Copyleft Expansion panel – CopyleftConf 2020">Internet Archive</a>. Notice the video page's side bar:Aug 06 14:39
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schestowitz 06 14:39
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schestowitz[cref 126801 Stay classy], SFC...Aug 06 14:39
schestowitzMind the part where a <a href="">question gets asked about hardware that's Internet-connected and contains back doors</a> (enabling remote control by another party over one's Free software program).Aug 06 14:39
schestowitz[14:39] <akingu> I notice I speak in a way that isn't very easy to follow.Aug 06 14:40
schestowitzThey are grown-ups Aug 06 14:40
schestowitzif I can follow, they can tooAug 06 14:40
schestowitzEnglish isn't even my first landguageAug 06 14:40
schestowitzthe person who spoke before you to ask a question has clarity issuesAug 06 14:40
akinguShe says, verbatim "I think it falls in the category of things that are outside of software freedom"Aug 06 14:48
akinguWhat does clarity issues mean?Aug 06 14:49
schestowitzwtf?Aug 06 14:49
schestowitzMore Microsoft: 06 14:49
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schestowitzShe also invaded OSIAug 06 14:49
akinguHe didn't ask a question. He spoke about his view on copyright in EuropeAug 06 14:49
schestowitzthen promoted clearly-definedAug 06 14:49
schestowitzgithubAug 06 14:49
schestowitzakingu: they could not get what question he was trying to ask if anyAug 06 14:50
schestowitzas I recall itAug 06 14:50
schestowitzthe stream is terriblenAug 06 14:50
schestowitzand still choppy for meAug 06 14:50
schestowitzI try to see if I can embed this video somehowAug 06 14:50
schestowitzI found a way rto embed the thingAug 06 14:54
schestowitz*toAug 06 14:54
schestowitzakingu: send me the transcript please when readyAug 06 14:54
schestowitzCan't believe she used to work for OINAug 06 14:55
schestowitzand speak for them...Aug 06 14:55
schestowitzmaybe forced to lie too much about swpatsAug 06 14:56
akinguNone of the three people to the right understand the implication of network level insecurities in hardware as it relates to softwareAug 06 15:06
akinguAnd I think, security is the example of the unintended consequence of that kind of provision, because the definition ofAug 06 15:06
akingusecurity is not objective, and people say the iPhone is the most secure phone out there.Aug 06 15:06
akinguYou know, from a lot of peoples perspective it's (pointing to himself) one of the most insecure phones out there because you can'tAug 06 15:06
akinguaudit the software yourself, and it is insecure against the owner of the software which gave you the phone which is Apple.Aug 06 15:06
akinguSo you, cant ever provision preventing a piece of software on an insecure network unless you also define what security means to begin with.Aug 06 15:06
akinguThat is what John saysAug 06 15:06
akingu"unless you also define what security means to begin with" which I did.Aug 06 15:06
schestowitzyupAug 06 15:08
schestowitz"more softball questions, everybody..."Aug 06 15:08
akinguThat is exactly the feeling I got. Especially when I asked Carolina Emke about "ethical source"Aug 06 15:09
akinguSo maybe this instead could serve as an article about hardware level insecurities, and how they are poorly understood in relation to what software freedom is in any meaningful sense?Aug 06 15:10
akinguThen I can answer inline to the transcript, and then ask for follow-up?Aug 06 15:10
akinguMake it a little seriesAug 06 15:10
akinguMy take is that if someone owns both the network stack and the machine, it renders communication not free to use as one wishes, as free speech becomes audited speech.Aug 06 15:12
schestowitzDo you want me to quote your argument above?Aug 06 15:12
schestowitzor transcript?Aug 06 15:12
schestowitzI can do either, or bothAug 06 15:13
akinguI am just shitposting, I was thinking if I wrote an articleAug 06 15:13
schestowitzI am not good enough at hardware to do a very solid and in-depth article on this topicAug 06 15:13
akinguTitle "Endgame free as in freedom, but not as in free speech"Aug 06 15:13
schestowitzI stick to things I can defend more stringlyAug 06 15:13
schestowitzstronglyAug 06 15:13
schestowitzdanielinux might knowAug 06 15:14
schestowitzmore his domain iircAug 06 15:14
akinguIm no expert either, but if you hand out ring 0 level access and networking capabilities, you dont need all the surveilance of the Internet infrastructure in betweenAug 06 15:14
akinguFrom this premise, software meant to be used in a networked sense is subject to a fair bit of encroaching on "use as you wish".Aug 06 15:15
akinguNot even just surveilance, but someone else can use it as they wish, which isn't just an ethical quandary.Aug 06 15:16
schestowitzyes, I am awareAug 06 15:16
schestowitzrms was asked about thisAug 06 15:16
schestowitzhe then said he too limits it to software sideAug 06 15:17
akinguWhen he speaks about tivoization?Aug 06 15:17
schestowitzbecause it's infeasible for him to fabricate his own cheap and check the designs for verification (like checksum) before doing soAug 06 15:17
akinguWell the bugs are exploitable not just to the NSA, now it is everyman and his dog in that raceAug 06 15:17
schestowitz(not in those words/terms)Aug 06 15:17
schestowitznsa has a vast army of geeksAug 06 15:17
schestowitzand I assume they vandalise anything they touchAug 06 15:17
schestowitzreproducible builds in debian assume their own people aren't nsa moles or paid to become molesAug 06 15:18
akinguSo RMS says he can't do what exactly?Aug 06 15:18
schestowitzverify the chips run the program correctlyAug 06 15:18
schestowitzwhen people ask about free/libre hardwarfeAug 06 15:19
schestowitzhe sued a desk analogyAug 06 15:19
akinguschestowitz: No, you can actually compile those yourself, for a snapshot of the source that you can vet. That capability is then extended indefinitelyAug 06 15:19
schestowitzwhich i cannot even recall anymore, it was like a decade ago, question from the audience somewhereAug 06 15:19
schestowitzyou don't know if the hardware will run it as you expectAug 06 15:19
akinguYes but one decade ahead to current year, and now we are in the drinkAug 06 15:20
schestowitzyou could make chips to recognise repeatedly openssl operationsAug 06 15:20
schestowitzand then tamper with the RNGAug 06 15:20
akinguYou can do book-code, but you never know when someone can shut it downTMAug 06 15:20
schestowitzsome hardware does 'shortcuts' by doing the RNG for you... using some cryptic/secret code in siliconAug 06 15:20
schestowitzopenbsd refuses to even touch that h/w-accelerated rngAug 06 15:20
schestowitzthe nsa can even compel intel to make some opebsd-specific module to covertly direct openbsd binaries to run that rngAug 06 15:21
schestowitzlowering entropyAug 06 15:21
akinguYes, that is what Tso spoke out against. Which is why it isn't in the kernel. And then some people tried to get him removed because he had an article about the claims of the prevelance of rape, and the different levels of rapeAug 06 15:21
schestowitzweakening crypto, making it predictableAug 06 15:21
schestowitzthen intel will say "oops"Aug 06 15:21
schestowitz"another defect"Aug 06 15:21
schestowitz"really sorry, mate"Aug 06 15:22
schestowitz"here, have a new proprietary microcode"Aug 06 15:22
schestowitzwith a "newer" back doorAug 06 15:22
akinguBut not for your old processor, palAug 06 15:22
MinceR 06 15:22
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akinguYea I know the drill. Luckily there are new achitectures on the riseAug 06 15:22
akinguEconomy of scale vs realms of physics makes it a winning game I thinkAug 06 15:23
schestowitzsage sharp picked on tsoAug 06 15:23
schestowitzina  really vicious wayAug 06 15:23
akinguYeahAug 06 15:23
schestowitzhe still has his jobAug 06 15:24
schestowitzbut laying lowAug 06 15:24
schestowitzquieterAug 06 15:24
akinguShe was head of the OTF at one pointAug 06 15:24
schestowitzlike LTAug 06 15:24
schestowitzit's a warning shot at leastAug 06 15:24
schestowitzOTF is what?Aug 06 15:24
schestowitzopen something fdnAug 06 15:24
akinguSo that is a dude now(?)Aug 06 15:25
schestowitzI wonder what ammo they might one day try on me like a decade laterAug 06 15:25
akinguFrom what I could tell she (at the time at least) influenced Lidsay down the same road, which I thought was sadAug 06 15:25
schestowitzakingu: twitter say "they"Aug 06 15:25
schestowitzI don't know that political thing too wellAug 06 15:25
schestowitzso I don't comment on itAug 06 15:26
schestowitzthe pronoun thingAug 06 15:26
akinguYes, but I am a "linguist", so I won't say "they" if you beat me with a stickAug 06 15:26
schestowitza friend's niece is also a "they"Aug 06 15:26
schestowitzhe's baffled by itAug 06 15:26
schestowitzhe's a professor, very tolerant guyAug 06 15:26
akinguYeah yeah, there used to be emo's too, and where are they now?Aug 06 15:26
schestowitzbut a person is singular, soAug 06 15:26
schestowitzwhat is "OTF"?Aug 06 15:27
schestowitzBy the way, Intel is in the CoC CommitteeAug 06 15:27
schestowitzit's quite newAug 06 15:27
schestowitzthey also did the recent word ban in LinuxAug 06 15:27
akingu 06 15:27
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schestowitz 06 15:27
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akinguDownstream from radio free asia RFAAug 06 15:27
schestowitzThe "let's ban these words from Linux" proposal came from IntelAug 06 15:28
schestowitzOpen means open walletAug 06 15:28
schestowitzdoes not mean muchAug 06 15:28
schestowitzNSA is also openAug 06 15:28
schestowitzthey have lots of "open" things, but they hate freedomAug 06 15:28
akinguThe NSA is at-least open about what they do, maybe now how they do it, but I respect that moreAug 06 15:29
oiaohmNSA is only as open about what they do as government requires them to be.Aug 06 15:29
akinguNahAug 06 15:30
MinceRhow open were they about backdooring Dual_EC_DRBG?Aug 06 15:30
oiaohmrootkitting routers and harddrive firmware only came out when NSA had a leak and was caught hand in cookie jar.Aug 06 15:30
schestowitzakingu: NSA is more "open" than KGB/FSBAug 06 15:31
schestowitzor China's... whatever CPC's calls theirsAug 06 15:31
schestowitzbut they all hate their own citizens' freedomAug 06 15:31
akinguRight, and everyone has their version. What I don't need is Intel in my lifeAug 06 15:31
schestowitzthey're all about control, domination, even by assassination and blackmailAug 06 15:31
schestowitzthe back doors are the meansAug 06 15:31
akinguThey are just adding to the stability of things. If everyone has a dog in the race, a dogfight is better than the alternativeAug 06 15:33
oiaohm is what replaced the KGB.Aug 06 15:33
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akinguAnd that is how you justify it. They have more money than anyone, and a direct funnel with little to no oversight or feedbackAug 06 15:33
schestowitzMiseducation Aug 06 15:33
schestowitzpublished just nowAug 06 15:33
schestowitzakingu: no transcript, right?Aug 06 15:33
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akinguI have the whole thing, Im going to make it an article of its ownAug 06 15:34
schestowitzoiaohm: Department of Defence 'replaced' Department of War after WW2Aug 06 15:34
schestowitzReshuffling banners and maybe a few officersAug 06 15:34
schestowitzhelps control historyAug 06 15:34
akinguI am not one for character assasination, he just didnt understand the question, can't really attack the content of his answer on the basis of thatAug 06 15:34
schestowitz"Watson" is making a comeback at IBM nowAug 06 15:34
schestowitzposthumouslyAug 06 15:35
akinguBut I can ask him to answer when it is all laid outAug 06 15:35
schestowitzthought there's a Tom Watson IIIAug 06 15:35
schestowitzNo Wikipedia entry on himAug 06 15:35
akinguThe geneticist?Aug 06 15:35
schestowitznoAug 06 15:35
schestowitzTom Jr.'s TomAug 06 15:35
schestowitzsonAug 06 15:35
schestowitzhe had 6 kidsAug 06 15:35
schestowitzwikipedia has no entry on any of themAug 06 15:35
schestowitzThis is juniorAug 06 15:36
schestowitz 06 15:36
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akinguSo many people, I know IBM has a Watson computer neural network thingAug 06 15:36
schestowitzHis dad's legacy: 06 15:36
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schestowitzIBM started like this, 1928Aug 06 15:36
schestowitzakingu: ask them how much they know about the person WatsonAug 06 15:37
schestowitzThey might think it's Sherlock's WatsonAug 06 15:37
akinguThat article was trashAug 06 15:40
oiaohmschestowitz: china you have two "Ministry of State Security" that is external looking and "Ministry of Public Security" internal looking.   Both do commision the development of differnet open source things of course released by the companies commisioned to write them.Aug 06 15:40
schestowitzwhich one of them?Aug 06 15:40
akinguIBM’s Watson Also Consciously Profited From Eugenics (and This Tradition Carries on in 2020)Aug 06 15:41
schestowitzit's not an articleAug 06 15:41
schestowitzit highlights an insider's articleAug 06 15:41
schestowitzhe later wrote similar things, e.g. in The Guardian this yearAug 06 15:42
schestowitzor last DecemberAug 06 15:42
akinguWhat does that mean?Aug 06 15:42
schestowitzand he again mentioned what had been done in Jamaica to mixed race couplesAug 06 15:42
schestowitzhis dad was the first ibm worker who was blackAug 06 15:42
schestowitzand he too worked thereAug 06 15:42
schestowitznow retiredAug 06 15:42
akinguI got that partAug 06 15:43
akinguThe piece of text is trash. Article or notAug 06 15:43
schestowitzwhich text?Aug 06 15:45
schestowitzthe screenshot?Aug 06 15:45
akinguYes, why is it on techrightsAug 06 15:46
schestowitzthe article? It raises a legit pointAug 06 15:46
schestowitzcontext originally in:Aug 06 15:46
schestowitz 06 15:46
akinguWhat legit point?Aug 06 15:46
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schestowitzand also in 06 15:47
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schestowitzThey hypocritically use "diversity" to oust people who accomplished a lotAug 06 15:47
schestowitzbased on grounds IBM itself is highly guilty ofAug 06 15:47
schestowitzshowing the hypocrisy weakens their ability to use "diversity"  as a corporate weapon without facing bashlashAug 06 15:48
schestowitzbacklashAug 06 15:48
akinguHighly guilty of where?Aug 06 15:48
schestowitzlikewise for Microsoft 06 15:48
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schestowitzpoint is, Free software is no more 'racist' or 'sexist' than those who accuse it of thatAug 06 15:48
schestowitzit's being weaponisedAug 06 15:49
akinguAnd you are being an useful idiotAug 06 15:49
schestowitzNo, this is reactionaryAug 06 15:49
schestowitzin case you did not notice who started that tacticAug 06 15:49
oiaohmschestowitz:   Redhat has quite a history of attempting to expand diversity.Aug 06 15:49
akinguThe critique isn't that it is somewhat historically inconsistent. Much less letting scheisters to the fray to say itAug 06 15:50
schestowitzmehAug 06 15:50
oiaohmschestowitz: not that its been that successful.Aug 06 15:50
schestowitzonly in 2008 they added a second woman to their board, yet they use that ground to badmouth the FSF's boardAug 06 15:50
oiaohmRedhat has end up with inverse bias in wages.Aug 06 15:50
schestowitzwhen ousting RMSAug 06 15:50
schestowitzoiaohm: maybe in "Sales"Aug 06 15:51
schestowitzthey don't like to talk about the company overallAug 06 15:51
schestowitzOracle doesn't talk about it eitherAug 06 15:51
oiaohmschestowitz: most of the managers of development teams at Redhat are also female.Aug 06 15:51
schestowitzbecause they know opportunistic activists will tap onto thatAug 06 15:51
akinguWhat is this, BLM level writing?Aug 06 15:51
schestowitzBut Oracle is at least not trying to shame us using race and genderAug 06 15:51
schestowitzunlike MicrosoftersAug 06 15:51
oiaohmschestowitz: redhat is really odd large level of management personal at redhat is female yet that not on the board.   And they are the higher paid employeesAug 06 15:52
schestowitzsource?Aug 06 15:52
schestowitzibm says 29% are womenAug 06 15:52
schestowitzbut that does not say muchAug 06 15:52
schestowitzanyway, they badmouth Free software to oust strong leadersAug 06 15:52
oiaohmIBM women number was lower than Redhats.Aug 06 15:52
schestowitzthey did this repeatedly to RMS and LTAug 06 15:52
schestowitzoiaohm: well, IBM can 'correct' that by firing manyAug 06 15:53
akinguYou just published a text saying "Minority underrepresentation in high tech has been present since the earliest days of the industry" and "the racism he fought persists in the high-tech world today". Why?Aug 06 15:53
schestowitztheir CEO comes from a sexist and racist countryAug 06 15:53
schestowitzmore so than ChinaAug 06 15:53
MinceRIBM can correct it by closing shopAug 06 15:53
schestowitzakingu: no, I did not write that textAug 06 15:53
MinceRno corporation => no people at the corporation => any ratio of the people at the corporation is whatever you want it to beAug 06 15:53
akinguYou sent itAug 06 15:54
schestowitzI capped a text to highlight the eugenics projectAug 06 15:54
akinguIt passed through your controlAug 06 15:54
schestowitzwhich I underlinedAug 06 15:54
schestowitzeugenics is really nasty shitAug 06 15:54
akinguNo it isntAug 06 15:54
schestowitzwell..Aug 06 15:54
schestowitzso you think mixing people across places maks "inferior" genes?Aug 06 15:55
schestowitz(that's what eugenics says)\Aug 06 15:56
akinguThat is just one of the things misrepresented, but your claim that IBM participated in any of the things for a variation on the theme "eugenics" entirely hinge on Clyde w. Ford saying soAug 06 15:56
akinguschestowitz: No it isn'tAug 06 15:56
schestowitzso explain eugenicsAug 06 15:56
akinguI can explain biology, I suppose you can take eugenics to mean any controlled outcomeAug 06 15:57
schestowitzFWIW, the billness' dad was head of the successor of US eugenics societyAug 06 15:57
akinguAnd?Aug 06 15:57
schestowitz'purifying' racesAug 06 15:57
akinguWhat is the relevancy?Aug 06 15:58
schestowitzthat was before ww2Aug 06 15:58
akinguwho is billness?Aug 06 15:58
schestowitzwhen the whole thing got a bad name, like the word "propaganda" that was turned into "P.R."Aug 06 15:58
schestowitzbillGAug 06 15:58
schestowitzWilliam Sr.Aug 06 15:58
schestowitzJr. continues the father's workAug 06 15:58
akinguAnd why are you bringing up ww2 to current IBM or others? That would if anything make them atone for their "sins" even moreAug 06 15:58
schestowitzit's a responseAug 06 15:59
akinguto what?Aug 06 15:59
schestowitzafter they worked to oust RMSAug 06 15:59
schestowitzlots of Red Hat staff in that petitionAug 06 15:59
akinguIt is a shitty responseAug 06 15:59
schestowitzalso some institutions where Red Hat (already IBM back then) had highest cloutAug 06 15:59
schestowitzlike GNOME Aug 06 15:59
akinguSorry, counterproductive responseAug 06 15:59
schestowitzand it highlights the harms that can be caused by irresponsible adherence to tech without consequencesAug 06 16:00
akinguIf you fight "you aren't diverse" with "you aren't diverse either", you lose, no matter the hypocricy pointed outAug 06 16:00
akinguAnd not even that is done well here, because you are taking it hook line and sinkerAug 06 16:01
akinguThe idea that IBM not having more blacks in 1946 being a product of racism in high-tech is a worthless and idiotic claimAug 06 16:01
schestowitzGood luck fighting it another wayAug 06 16:01
akinguI am intelligent, your moveAug 06 16:01
schestowitzethical issues matterAug 06 16:02
schestowitzbut you are fixated on another angleAug 06 16:02
akinguSo don't misrepresent themAug 06 16:02
schestowitzit's not limited to race and gender, there's stuff like militarism and back doorsAug 06 16:03
akinguNo, I have both positions firmly in mind. You are creating a third problem, which is the same as IBM is supposedly doing, but you are adding to itAug 06 16:03
schestowitz 06 16:03
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schestowitznot about race, neither it is about genderAug 06 16:03
schestowitzakingu: you can defuse the propaganda by proactively showing your cardsAug 06 16:04
schestowitz"use sexism on us, we'll show you're no better and thus lack any argument"Aug 06 16:04
schestowitzthey lose that pseudo-demographic empathy Aug 06 16:04
schestowitzWe focus on corporations and their deedsAug 06 16:05
schestowitzIt's them who change the subjectAug 06 16:05
schestowitzbecause war is unethicalAug 06 16:05
schestowitzso they seek another paradigm of ethicsAug 06 16:05
schestowitzand we then change back to the real issueAug 06 16:05
schestowitzlike we did with their language bansAug 06 16:05
schestowitz 06 16:05
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akinguNo, that isn't what you are doingAug 06 16:06
akinguYou are lending creedence to an argument that has no merit. Thus perpetuating its importance.Aug 06 16:06
schestowitzSo tell me what I am doingAug 06 16:06
schestowitzoh.Aug 06 16:06
schestowitzNo, you must mention what they attemptAug 06 16:06
schestowitzthen respondAug 06 16:06
schestowitzotherwise you reply in a vacuumAug 06 16:06
akinguRight, that is what makes it worse on your part. You know betterAug 06 16:07
schestowitzand sometimes I don't rebut at all because it gives more exposure to their bad argument without a compelling enough rebuttalAug 06 16:07
schestowitzso suggest a better approachAug 06 16:07
akinguI might come off as arrogant, but I am honest about what I think, and open to being wrongAug 06 16:07
akinguTo give an exampleAug 06 16:07
akinguRacism exists, in a classical US senseAug 06 16:08
scientesblack lives matter every 20 to 30 yearsAug 06 16:08
akinguIf that means people now are subject to it because they are black, OK.Aug 06 16:08
schestowitz 06 16:09
akinguWhat some people do is then say others are blind to their privilige, and they are professors of this racism. Only they can speak on matters to do with race, and curiously also decide what matters areAug 06 16:09
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scientesbetween those times (and during) they are decimated---black men put in prison, children without fathers, schools defundedAug 06 16:09
akinguThat is a full 180, and it revokes somone the right to argument on the basis of their skincolour. That is textbook racism, and it is worse, because that is the premise of what one is trying to fightAug 06 16:09
schestowitzthe cycle of poverty dates back to slaveryAug 06 16:10
scientesschestowitz, but that is the exact liberal hypocricy we are complaining aboutAug 06 16:10
schestowitzliberal means nothing anymoreAug 06 16:11
scientesthere is no "cycle of poverty" without liberals to perpetuate it while claiming to be against itAug 06 16:11
akinguscientes: Exactly every 20 to 30 years, because idiots are given a platform.Aug 06 16:11
schestowitzI'm being a realistAug 06 16:11
akinguschestowitz: No, you are being a useful idiotAug 06 16:11
scientesand the UK and US can't really talk about prosperity anymoreAug 06 16:11
scientesthey are heaping piles of homelessness and poverty themselvesAug 06 16:11
schestowitzTrueAug 06 16:12
schestowitzbut the empires are agingAug 06 16:12
akinguschestowitz: Why is it the Irish and Germans aren't in the cycle of poverty, or the Chinese, or the QuakersAug 06 16:12
schestowitzthe capitalists sent the jobs away to save moneyAug 06 16:12
akinguOr any group that had a rough timeAug 06 16:12
schestowitzthere are many poor people of all racesAug 06 16:12
akinguRight, and if you control on the basis of race you find?Aug 06 16:12
schestowitzthe class war isn't a coloured oneAug 06 16:13
schestowitzbut unison across genders and races makes it more likely to attain justice verticallyAug 06 16:13
schestowitzlike fair wagesAug 06 16:13
schestowitzGAFAM etc. don't want that discussedAug 06 16:13
akinguOh wages aren't fair accross races and genders?Aug 06 16:13
schestowitzso they divise across racial linesAug 06 16:13
schestowitzwhich is not what we demandAug 06 16:13
scientesGENDER IS NOT A CLASSAug 06 16:13
schestowitzwe demand they stop their disgusting greed and agendaAug 06 16:14
schestowitzscientes: it is notAug 06 16:14
schestowitzthat's my pointAug 06 16:14
schestowitzbut they try to conflate those thingsAug 06 16:14
schestowitzso the genders shout at one anotherAug 06 16:14
schestowitzthey even help add like dozens of new gendersAug 06 16:14
akinguThey being your chosen pronoun in presenting it?Aug 06 16:14
schestowitzso even women are talked down by men who say they're not menAug 06 16:14
schestowitzand this chaos caused rot within communitiesAug 06 16:14
schestowitzJK Rowling canceledAug 06 16:15
schestowitzand for what?Aug 06 16:15
schestowitzbeing trolled and provokedAug 06 16:15
schestowitzuntil she "tweeted" the 'wrong' thingAug 06 16:15
schestowitzand the media carries on feeding trollsAug 06 16:15
schestowitzfeeding frenzyAug 06 16:15
schestowitzTrump is being targeted not for fraud and corruptionAug 06 16:16
schestowitzbut his rapes or sexual misconductAug 06 16:16
schestowitzlike Bill ClintonAug 06 16:16
schestowitznobody loses office for 'wrong' bombingsAug 06 16:16
schestowitzbut for 'wrong' blowjobsAug 06 16:16
schestowitzany scandal is OKAug 06 16:16
schestowitzjust nothing sexuakAug 06 16:16
schestowitzSo what if Trump drops more bombs than anyone before him, including MOAB?Aug 06 16:17
schestowitzand uses nuclear saber-rattling like Putin does?Aug 06 16:17
schestowitzso what?Aug 06 16:17
schestowitzhe doesn't wear a mask, IMPEACH!Aug 06 16:17
schestowitzhe badmouthed Biden and did a Ukraine blackmail, impeachAug 06 16:18
schestowitznot for colluding with China to be reelectedAug 06 16:18
schestowitzthat's not a scandalAug 06 16:18
schestowitzor openly saying he invited russia to crack US computer systems of a policial rivalAug 06 16:18
schestowitzthat's also OKAug 06 16:18
akinguSo to interject, if you will allowAug 06 16:18
schestowitzokAug 06 16:18
akinguYou posted a text saying there is a problem of racism in high-tech as it relates to the percentages of miniorities in it, do you agree with that?Aug 06 16:19
schestowitzI didn't even underline itAug 06 16:19
schestowitzI underlines two thingsAug 06 16:19
schestowitzJamaica eugenics projectAug 06 16:20
schestowitzand South African apartheidAug 06 16:20
schestowitzargument for racial segregation are extremely weak compared to sexes in schoolsAug 06 16:21
akinguWe will get to thatAug 06 16:21
schestowitz(re South Africa)Aug 06 16:21
akinguYou are wrong again, but answer the questionAug 06 16:21
akinguSorry, I think you are wrongAug 06 16:22
schestowitzakingu: you ask me if I agree with something I neither said nor highlightedAug 06 16:23
schestowitzthis is a ridiculous sort of straw man trapAug 06 16:23
schestowitzSo I will not even respondAug 06 16:23
akinguscientes: I also take issue with your argumentAug 06 16:24
akinguschestowitz: You published it, but that is beside the point of it being on your websiteAug 06 16:25
akinguAnd my issue is you being effective in reasoning that RMS should not be fired for bad reasons.Aug 06 16:25
schestowitz[16:25] <akingu> schestowitz: You published it, but that is beside the point of it being on your websiteAug 06 16:26
schestowitzI published a postAug 06 16:26
schestowitzit has a screenshot in itAug 06 16:26
akingugrantedAug 06 16:26
schestowitzmaybe you want to pick on social control media posted with links in themAug 06 16:26
schestowitzby telling me what else those sites wroteAug 06 16:26
schestowitzand then holding me accountable for linking to those domainsAug 06 16:26
akingudon't followAug 06 16:26
schestowitzthat's cancel culture preludeAug 06 16:26
akinguI am not trying to cancel anyone. For the record I don't care at all who you areAug 06 16:27
akinguIn the best of intentionsAug 06 16:27
akinguI am trying to make you more effective in realizing anti-cancellationAug 06 16:27
akinguFrom my point of view, either hacky arguments and speculative writing is above board, or it isn't. No who said what and rewinding the discussion as it unfoldsAug 06 16:28
akinguI hold you to the exact same standards as anyone else, and I try to help because I think you might see that as being beneficial to a an end I agree onAug 06 16:29
schestowitzThis attack vector is nothing newAug 06 16:29
schestowitzI have responded to it for over a decadeAug 06 16:30
schestowitzThey tried it on RMS in 2009Aug 06 16:30
schestowitz"emax virgin" joke/remarkAug 06 16:30
schestowitzand we managed to keep things in tact when GNOME wanted to quit GNU because some idiots disliked freedom and blamed things on RMSAug 06 16:30
akinguI call it credibility, and it is what I wish to see in people that share my viewsAug 06 16:30
schestowitzakingu: it is a matter of styleAug 06 16:31
schestowitzwe vary a bitAug 06 16:31
schestowitzand that's OKAug 06 16:31
schestowitznobody agreesAug 06 16:31
akinguThat is all well and good. This is a different beastAug 06 16:31
schestowitzI agree with your views on hardware issues and sw freedomAug 06 16:31
akinguI dont care if you agree with me at all, in the best of intentionsAug 06 16:31
schestowitzI don't share many of your political angles it seemsAug 06 16:31
akinguYou dont know what my political angles areAug 06 16:31
schestowitzI saw some, witnessed, extrapolatedAug 06 16:32
akinguMistake on your partAug 06 16:32
schestowitzmaybeAug 06 16:32
schestowitzI have to generalise a bit, as all creatures doAug 06 16:32
akinguI dont blame youAug 06 16:32
schestowitzmapping one's surroundingsAug 06 16:32
schestowitzI would not publish, for instance, someone defending eugenicsAug 06 16:33
akinguOK, I still want to know whether you think there is a problem in high-tech today, as it relates to the percentages of miniorities hired in itAug 06 16:33
akinguBecause the people of this world that do are not afraid to say they think so.Aug 06 16:34
schestowitzthe LATimes piece seems to have deeply offended youAug 06 16:34
akinguAnd that creates a problem where the RMS-es of the world can't defend themselvesAug 06 16:34
schestowitzRMS could defend himselfAug 06 16:35
akinguOnly my sensibilities, i am otherwise unperturbedAug 06 16:35
schestowitzbut not enough people spoke outAug 06 16:35
schestowitzand he made some very shitty comments in the pastAug 06 16:35
akinguNot against being jewish/white male/old etcAug 06 16:35
schestowitzperhaps inspired by a gnu contributor who had also funded a dutch pedo partyAug 06 16:35
schestowitz*foundedAug 06 16:35
akinguWell we all say shitty things in the pastAug 06 16:36
akinguMaybe or maybe not that was so shitty it is worth bringing upAug 06 16:36
schestowitzI'd not touch with a long bargepole any of that 'pedo right' or 'age of consent change' advocacy groupsAug 06 16:36
schestowitzI spoke to RMS before he was cannedAug 06 16:36
schestowitzI told him the press was brewing a stormAug 06 16:36
schestowitzand that it may have been a way to divert attentionAug 06 16:37
schestowitzhe didn't respond effectively enough until it had spun out of controlAug 06 16:37
schestowitzand then they brought out his old remarksAug 06 16:37
schestowitzand portrayed him as a zoophile or somethingAug 06 16:37
akinguDendrophile from what I rememberAug 06 16:37
akinguFlowers and treesAug 06 16:38
schestowitzjust reading Aug 06 16:38
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schestowitzin my list, by coincidenceAug 06 16:38
akinguBut yes, he has less than stellar remarks on the recordAug 06 16:38
schestowitzakingu: no, he remarked on necrophiles tooAug 06 16:38
akinguThats what I meantAug 06 16:38
akinguAssume I know exactly what you know unless it is evident I dontAug 06 16:39
schestowitzyour attitudinal approach to all this would likely alienate more than it can helpAug 06 16:39
schestowitzby dismissing rather than ignoring minorities whose articles you don't agree withAug 06 16:39
akinguWell, that is a test of your characterAug 06 16:39
akinguYou escalated one person to a minoritiy, or should I say reduced, and then lopped what you think my opinion of the group is.Aug 06 16:40
akinguAs far as approach goes, allow me to have a go, provided I dont get anywhere near as loose with my assumptionsAug 06 16:40
akinguYou think out of control is badAug 06 16:40
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akinguOut of control means others in control, of which they control the narrativeAug 06 16:41
schestowitznarrative can be policedAug 06 16:41
schestowitznot the sameAug 06 16:41
akinguA narrative that includes attacking on the base of unmutable charactersticsAug 06 16:41
schestowitzbut the arguments sometimes don't hold waterAug 06 16:41
akinguIt also features a great deal of social, anecdotal and otherwise ideology based arguments that are not objectiveAug 06 16:42
akinguWhat I wish to do is reign everything in on the basis of objective, and that is why some things are OK to me, and some are notAug 06 16:42
akinguThe whole point of objective is it takes a bit more time, because it is a reasoned approachAug 06 16:43
akinguI cant appeal to logic without knowing what logic you acceptAug 06 16:43
akinguTo me, saying there are too few minorities in tech, is the same quality argument as saying there are too many RMS in charge of the FSFAug 06 16:43
schestowitzI never made that argumentAug 06 16:44
akinguOne doesnt counteract the other, it exceserbates a greater problemAug 06 16:44
akinguI never said you didAug 06 16:44
schestowitzyou picked that from an article I linked to in order to mention some historical tidbitsAug 06 16:44
akinguWhat I am saying is that you forwarded it, along with others. What your intention and main point was, is to me beside the pointAug 06 16:44
schestowitzso you want to 'cancel' this articleAug 06 16:45
schestowitzor siteAug 06 16:45
schestowitzLA Times posted some good thingsAug 06 16:45
akinguIf that was one of them, then we disagreeAug 06 16:45
schestowitz 06 16:45
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akinguI think it forwards a myth, and a harmful one at that, which is objectivly not trueAug 06 16:45
MinceRout of control >> 06 16:45
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akinguDuDuDuDuAug 06 16:46
MinceR:)Aug 06 16:46
akinguGiving away my age hereAug 06 16:46
schestowitzdu -shAug 06 16:46
akinguschestowitz: I neither can or want the public to be able to cancel anythingAug 06 16:47
akinguWhat I am seeking is debateAug 06 16:47
akinguI can try to help you, since we share the same goals, or you can carry on _exactly_ as you did.Aug 06 16:47
schestowitzwe just did debate thisAug 06 16:48
akinguNo, you skirted the questionAug 06 16:48
schestowitzand I defended what I published, in the form that I did soAug 06 16:48
schestowitzit's an unfair trick questionAug 06 16:48
akinguI never attacked your right to do so, I am questioning the rationaleAug 06 16:48
akinguIt isn't unfair at allAug 06 16:48
schestowitzlike "When did you stop beating up the wife?"Aug 06 16:48
akinguThat is a loaded question, I asked no loaded questionsAug 06 16:49
schestowitzyou question me in diversity quotes in hiring, which I think are partly misguided in most sectorsAug 06 16:49
schestowitzbut you put on me that burden in respect to one specific person and articleAug 06 16:49
schestowitz(and company)Aug 06 16:49
akinguI could ask you regardless of the article whether you think the breakdown of races in high-tech as they are hired into it is grounds to say racism exists in itAug 06 16:49
schestowitzracism exists in societyAug 06 16:50
MinceRthey're entirely misguided in all sectorsAug 06 16:50
schestowitzregardless of whereAug 06 16:50
akinguThat will always be trueAug 06 16:50
schestowitzthat includes the workplace, yesAug 06 16:50
schestowitzand hiring processesAug 06 16:50
schestowitzwhich can be tribalistAug 06 16:50
MinceRpreferring one candidate over another on the basis of race is racism, even if you call it "quota"Aug 06 16:50
schestowitzpeople want to work with people like themselvesAug 06 16:50
MinceRpreferring one candidate over another on the basis of sex is sexism, even if you call it "quota"Aug 06 16:50
MinceRetc.Aug 06 16:50
schestowitzMinceR: not alwaysAug 06 16:51
schestowitzif you have two toilet boothsAug 06 16:51
schestowitzfor two gendersAug 06 16:51
MinceRwhen not?Aug 06 16:51
schestowitzyou might be better off gender-balancing the hiresAug 06 16:51
MinceRlolAug 06 16:51
schestowitzotherwise you need to send staff to enter opp. sex booths, or wait for it to be empty, or say, "anyone here?"Aug 06 16:51
akinguI am strapped in for thisAug 06 16:51
MinceRor, instead of putting the cart in front of the horse, i could have fully closed gender-independent toilet boothsAug 06 16:51
MinceRthe locks could signal whether they're occupied to the outsideAug 06 16:52
schestowitzmany women don't feel comfortable with thisAug 06 16:52
schestowitzand you are not female, so ask oneAug 06 16:52
schestowitzbecause some creeps enter toilte bootsAug 06 16:52
MinceRor the toilet situation could be changed when the gender ratio of employees in that place justifies itAug 06 16:52
schestowitzboothsAug 06 16:52
schestowitzsometimes not even because they want to use these boothsAug 06 16:52
schestowitzwhich lack cameras for obvious reasonsAug 06 16:52
akinguOK, to reign in the question. Is it racism if the breakdown of races in the high-tech workforce isn't ecactly that of general society?Aug 06 16:52
MinceRnoAug 06 16:53
akinguI will add my no tooAug 06 16:53
MinceRit could be the effect of racism, but that would have to be provenAug 06 16:53
akinguIndeedAug 06 16:53
schestowitzyou are talking about "affirmative action", which is another matterAug 06 16:53
MinceRanother name for racism, etc.Aug 06 16:53
schestowitzsome call it "positive discrimination"Aug 06 16:53
akinguNo, outside of affirmative actionAug 06 16:54
akinguLets call it every high-tech company with fewer than 500 employees in the USAug 06 16:54
akingu(where to my understanding diversity hiring isn't a requirement)Aug 06 16:55
akinguAnd just forget that routing them into 500+ companies depletes the poolAug 06 16:55
schestowitzgenders are not identicalAug 06 16:56
schestowitzcontrary to what we're 'supposed' to thinkAug 06 16:56
schestowitzmen are physically strongerAug 06 16:56
schestowitzbecause of genetics and hormonesAug 06 16:56
schestowitzand women are socially inclined, by expectation, to nest moreAug 06 16:56
MinceRdoesn't apply to all individualsAug 06 16:56
schestowitzthere are also natural instincts associated with nurturing babies etcAug 06 16:57
akingusociallyAug 06 16:57
schestowitzI think realists take that into account when hiringAug 06 16:57
schestowitzit's not a taboo subject yetAug 06 16:57
schestowitzthat's why we have maternity leave nowAug 06 16:57
akinguThat doesnt change mattersAug 06 16:57
akinguIs there or isn't there a huge prejudice working for men and east-asians in high-tech?Aug 06 16:58
akinguThe balance isn't just a little lopsided wrt. society, it is quite extreme.Aug 06 16:58
akinguSo, is that racism at play?Aug 06 16:58
schestowitzdefine racism by your own opticsAug 06 16:59
schestowitzracism is more broad a term than people thinkAug 06 16:59
schestowitzracism is identification of races or by raceAug 06 16:59
akinguIs it a racist effect that the balance is not evenAug 06 17:00
schestowitzso racism can just be rather harmless in some contexts, but today's it's de facto always the negative connotationAug 06 17:00
schestowitzbalance is not objective, universalAug 06 17:00
schestowitzyou can balance with mean, median, weighted differentlyAug 06 17:00
akinguI seem to imply it working for east-asians and menAug 06 17:00
schestowitzthere are more women than menAug 06 17:01
schestowitzso you might say balance would be more women in the workplace than menAug 06 17:01
akinguThat there are more women than men just makes the imbalance greaterAug 06 17:01
schestowitzeast asian by which I assume you mean CKJAug 06 17:01
akinguCKJ?Aug 06 17:01
schestowitzchina korea japanAug 06 17:02
schestowitzyou're lumping in many statesAug 06 17:02
akinguyesAug 06 17:02
schestowitznot just wethnicities and dialectsAug 06 17:02
schestowitzthey can't even stand one anotherAug 06 17:02
schestowitzlike "Turk-Greek"Aug 06 17:02
schestowitz"Israeli-Palestinian"Aug 06 17:02
schestowitz"Bosnian-whatever"Aug 06 17:02
akinguIt isn't a difficult question to answerAug 06 17:02
schestowitzif you categorise them so broadly, some would say it's racistAug 06 17:02
akinguAnd I don't careAug 06 17:03
schestowitzbecause you assume like 1.7 billion people to be the same groupAug 06 17:03
MinceRsome would say everything is racistAug 06 17:03
MinceRand humans can't stand one another anywayAug 06 17:03
akinguNo, which is why I said east-asianAug 06 17:03
schestowitzwhich country?Aug 06 17:03
schestowitzChina also has many racesAug 06 17:03
schestowitzand they don't like each other too muchAug 06 17:03
schestowitzCPC uses that to justify censorshipAug 06 17:03
akinguCould you overlook the slight inaccuracies to focus on my pointAug 06 17:04
schestowitzlike Han supremacistsAug 06 17:04
schestowitzno, because it's loadedAug 06 17:04
akinguThere clearly are more men in high-tech, is that a product of prejudice?Aug 06 17:04
schestowitzlike Trump with "JYNA"Aug 06 17:04
akinguWe agree on what men are I hope?Aug 06 17:04
akinguAnd we have both noticed not many females in high-tech(?)Aug 06 17:04
schestowitzthere are more men in science, in generalAug 06 17:05
schestowitzalso in schoolsAug 06 17:05
akinguNot in schools, but science yesAug 06 17:05
schestowitzthey don't need physical strengths for these disciplinesAug 06 17:05
schestowitzbut are inclined, maybe socially, to excel in themAug 06 17:05
akinguThat isn't really what I askedAug 06 17:05
schestowitzit makes them more likely to attract "better" females (or males)Aug 06 17:05
akinguI am saying, can you say so without evidenceAug 06 17:06
akinguWhy would you say "Minority underrepresentation in high tech has been present since the earliest days of the industry" is a credible statement?Aug 06 17:08
schestowitzI did not say thatAug 06 17:08
schestowitzask clyde if that was his nameAug 06 17:09
akinguNot saying you said itAug 06 17:09
akinguBut if you publish it, that is something I hold to your nameAug 06 17:09
schestowitzthat's a very poor debating tactic, with respectAug 06 17:09
schestowitzyou traffic to me someone else's essayAug 06 17:10
schestowitzand then demand I justify itAug 06 17:10
schestowitzwtf lolAug 06 17:10
akinguHere is why I am doing itAug 06 17:10
schestowitzI did not publish it, and it is not even textAug 06 17:10
schestowitzit's a bloody screenshot lolAug 06 17:10
akinguThat argument is piss poor, and erroneous. I am not writing for a publication that forwards it without critiqueAug 06 17:10
schestowitzLook what I highlightedAug 06 17:11
schestowitzlet's reverse the tableAug 06 17:11
schestowitzthere are two bits thereAug 06 17:11
akinguIt is much more dangerous than every other thing we mutually agree is cancel cultureAug 06 17:11
akingu(in my view)Aug 06 17:11
schestowitzdo you agree with the part about Jamaica?Aug 06 17:11
akinguNoAug 06 17:11
schestowitzDo you think eugenics there was OK?Aug 06 17:11
schestowitzOK, about SA apartheidAug 06 17:11
akinguNoAug 06 17:11
schestowitzis it OK?Aug 06 17:11
schestowitzthanksAug 06 17:11
schestowitzthat's itAug 06 17:11
schestowitzthat's what the article was aboutAug 06 17:11
akinguNot willing to dismiss itAug 06 17:12
schestowitzIBM profited from bothAug 06 17:12
schestowitzbecause it could not care less who it sold to and what forAug 06 17:12
schestowitzLike today's MicrosoftAug 06 17:12
akinguIt was a lot better than both what preceeded it, and followed it, in SAAug 06 17:12
schestowitzICE, JEDI, now the TikTok poopooAug 06 17:12
akinguSo did every other corporation in the worldAug 06 17:12
schestowitzbadAug 06 17:12
akinguBar who?Aug 06 17:12
schestowitzlet's stop thisAug 06 17:12
akinguNoAug 06 17:13
schestowitzlet's shame themAug 06 17:13
schestowitzuntil they stopAug 06 17:13
schestowitzthe licence won't stop themAug 06 17:13
schestowitzbad PR mightAug 06 17:13
akinguAnd that is when you get current SAAug 06 17:13
akinguThat is a bloodbathAug 06 17:13
akinguAnd nobody cares to say anything about it, because it isn't as convenientAug 06 17:13
schestowitzthose who love and yearn for resegregation love this SA narrativeAug 06 17:14
schestowitzremember who was there firstAug 06 17:14
schestowitzin SAAug 06 17:14
schestowitzand what the assertion of apartheid wasAug 06 17:14
akinguThe line of reasoning suggests IBM instrumented eugenics, which is a claim without given evidenceAug 06 17:14
schestowitzit's 1920sAug 06 17:14
schestowitzyou could fetch national archives to that effectAug 06 17:14
schestowitzI got some that I could find about WatsonAug 06 17:14
akinguThe argument of who was there first isn't clear cutAug 06 17:15
schestowitzbut some predate telegram in record form, or online accessAug 06 17:15
schestowitzwhat, in SA?Aug 06 17:15
akinguyesAug 06 17:15
schestowitzEuropeans were not therre firstAug 06 17:15
schestowitzyou could look at fossil recordsAug 06 17:15
akinguIn what capacity?Aug 06 17:15
schestowitznomadsAug 06 17:15
akinguRightAug 06 17:15
akinguBut then again nomads werent everywhereAug 06 17:16
schestowitzthey're humans tooAug 06 17:16
akinguUncontested pointAug 06 17:16
schestowitzlet them live there, based on the flawed concept of 'private land"Aug 06 17:16
akinguIt isn't a flawed concept at allAug 06 17:16
schestowitzterritorialism with  'theft' of so-called 'rights' is a more European conceptsAug 06 17:16
schestowitzanimals have no such conceptAug 06 17:16
schestowitzthey fight for their placeAug 06 17:17
akinguCome onAug 06 17:17
akinguWhat do you think "private land" is?Aug 06 17:17
schestowitzI pay with some currency to assert that by some state-imposed decree this piece of the planet is "mine"Aug 06 17:17
akinguFind some credible claim to IBM being involved in eugenicsAug 06 17:17
schestowitzand you could debate that tooAug 06 17:17
schestowitzsome people claimed to 'own' their slavesAug 06 17:18
schestowitzand sold them accordinglyAug 06 17:18
akinguWhich even in the most damning variant of, it if isn't current IBM, why are you bringing it up?Aug 06 17:18
akinguRight, also a pre-european concept in AfricaAug 06 17:18
akinguI gotta eat something, starvingAug 06 17:18
akinguI don't believe in "the enemy of my enemy is not my friend"Aug 06 17:19
akinguIt it is a weakness waiting to be exploited, and you are making it (in my opinion) easyAug 06 17:20
schestowitzIBM has shown signs of inability to changeAug 06 17:24
schestowitzIWB's IBM supported LinuxAug 06 17:24
schestowitzVirginia supported AppleAug 06 17:24
schestowitzPalmisano was OKAug 06 17:24
schestowitzthe new one is a bit of an unknownAug 06 17:25
schestowitzKrishna seems OK on the surface, I'm still undecided on thatAug 06 17:25
schestowitzIBM is NOT an enemy of MicrosoftAug 06 17:25
schestowitzit used to be under old managementAug 06 17:25
schestowitzbefore VirginiaAug 06 17:25
schestowitzthey supported ODF and pushed GNU/LinuxAug 06 17:25
schestowitznow not so muchAug 06 17:25
schestowitzthey even boost Github and stuff...Aug 06 17:25
schestowitzsame category as amazon almostAug 06 17:26
psydreadthese companies are all in the same boat fighting off the real enemy, that is new companies and groups of people who would like to realise a future without themAug 06 17:27
psydreadenemies in the marketplace and friends on the golf courtAug 06 17:28
schestowitzhence acronyms like GAFAM and GiaFaMAug 06 17:29
kingoffranceif corporations want to "live forever" i dont see how it is unfair to bring up things from decades ago -- they want all the power and none of the responsibilityAug 06 17:33
kingoffrancelegally we are supposed to pretend they are the sameAug 06 17:33
kingoffranceand that they just magically perpetually existAug 06 17:34
kingoffrancecant have it both waysAug 06 17:34
kingoffrancegonna side with schestowitz re: ibmAug 06 17:34
schestowitz"companies change"Aug 06 17:37
schestowitz"they change target"Aug 06 17:37
kingoffrancelolAug 06 17:37
schestowitz"because profit is attained differently"Aug 06 17:37
schestowitz"racism is not profitable anymore"Aug 06 17:38
schestowitz"now we do social justice"Aug 06 17:38
kingoffrancelolAug 06 17:38
schestowitz"and oil companies"Aug 06 17:38
DaemonFC[m]Insstagram has TikTok like features now apparently.Aug 06 17:39
kingoffranceit might also be unfair, but ibm is not some young scrappy startup, i might buy "sympathy" more for something that isnt superhyperglobalmegacorp, rightly or wronglyAug 06 17:39
psydreadMS may be buying another turdAug 06 17:40
psydreadXRevan86 and I know quite a bit about those by nowAug 06 17:40
akingukingoffrance: They don't want to live forever, maybe conglomerate power. One of which is cancel-culture, and feeding into it extends that power.Aug 06 17:40
DaemonFC[m]That would be hilarious. Facebook probably won't get worse than it is now.Aug 06 17:40
DaemonFC[m]Byt they may end up destroying the value of TikTok after Microsoft pays then $30 billion .Aug 06 17:41
akinguschestowitz: Let me instead try my hand in your style of argumentAug 06 17:41
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft never just leaves a product alone once they have it.Aug 06 17:41
akinguschestowitz: You are saying eugenics are something to be used against the credibility of IBMAug 06 17:42
kingoffrancewell its mortmain -- dead hands. they live forever by virtue of not being alive in a human senseAug 06 17:42
kingoffranceaka legal fiction as someone pointed out a week or so agoAug 06 17:42
DaemonFC[m]Skype got so much worse. It went from at least having a native Linux application to an Electron app or a web app that says sorry you aren't using Edge or Chrome.Aug 06 17:42
akinguWhat you are unwilling to do is denounce claims that hiring practices are racistAug 06 17:42
DaemonFC[m]Vivaldi didn't mention Skype Web, but that's one that broke if it said Vivaldi.Aug 06 17:43
DaemonFC[m]They said Chrome and it works.Aug 06 17:43
akinguThis means you are complicit in supporting a genetical pressure in the marketplace of employmentAug 06 17:43
DaemonFC[m]So their search partner, Bing, screwed them because it led users to a search engine that recommended email and Skype that said get Chrome or Edge.Aug 06 17:43
akinguThereby you are enacting eugenics, which is precicely what that is, on the basis of race.Aug 06 17:44
akinguSee how easy that is when you grant me a haphazard text to play with? Not only is my argument better, it uses your point against you. That will happen if you get onboard the cancel train.Aug 06 17:45
psydreadI had a Skype account since ages ago and they would keep flagging it and even suspending it because I didn't have an address associated with itAug 06 17:45
akinguDoing the same, is a far cry from pointing out the hypocricy of what it would be to do so. And it isn't a good argument to begin withAug 06 17:46
psydreadwhich was never needed in the pre-MS or the pre-Ebay daysAug 06 17:46
akinguschestowitz: Which one do you like, the rational argument, or the gotcha style?Aug 06 17:47
akingupsydread: From what I gathered MS was only buying TikTok operations "in the US", which is strangeAug 06 17:48
akinguAnd TikTok was forced to sell on a deadline of 30 days. I didnt factcheck, but that is China style market manipulationAug 06 17:50
akinguIndia banned TikTok, and that is taking the high-road. Answering in the same vein is counterproductive.Aug 06 17:50
schestowitzLike Microsoft hijacked Yahoo search 'only in the US'Aug 06 17:52
akinguWell they bought a Yahoo that wanted to sell(?)Aug 06 17:53
akinguThe MS motivation is probably the same, but the government meddling is newAug 06 17:54
akingufrom the US government that is (?)Aug 06 17:54
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akinguschestowitz: I breifly say you mentioning harry potter. Yes that is what happens when you play the gameAug 06 17:56
akinguAt some point you just have some concept of objective reality that you arent willing to part withAug 06 17:56
akinguAnd you already think men are men (from what I gathered), so you are playing a losing hand by getting into itAug 06 17:57
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schestowitzYahoo was infiltratedAug 06 18:08 06 18:08
schestowitz 06 18:09
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DaemonFC[m]I didn't like Skype and didn't want their damned "upgrade" from MSNP.Aug 06 18:18
DaemonFC[m]MSNP was a simple protocol that did what it was supposed to and on the client side you could have all Free Software.Aug 06 18:18
DaemonFC[m]We're just totally out of chat services, almost, that don't require some bloated web app with 10 times the memory footprint of Windows XP.Aug 06 18:21
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft leans on you to install an Electron app that has no extra features over Skype in a browser tab.Aug 06 18:22
DaemonFC[m]My guess is if they lean that hard, they want out of your browser sandbox so they can crawl your computer and eavesdrop on you.Aug 06 18:23
psydreadat some point it's just not worth using such thingsAug 06 18:24
DaemonFC[m]I hate Skype and the need for such an app like it has been waning.Aug 06 18:25
schestowitzuse landline :-)Aug 06 18:25
DaemonFC[m]I think that Apple is kind of dumb for not porting Facetime to Android.Aug 06 18:26
schestowitzmaybe they don't know how toAug 06 18:26
schestowitzall they do is cocoa and chachaAug 06 18:26
DaemonFC[m]It's obvious that there's like 80% who are never going to use an iPhone and it would make owning an iPhone more useful if you could talk to Android phones on Facetime.Aug 06 18:27
schestowitzFaceAheadOfTimeAug 06 18:27
schestowitzthey see you before you even answer the call :-)Aug 06 18:27
schestowitzoops, nsa easter egg found?Aug 06 18:27
schestowitz"achievement unlocked, ma!"Aug 06 18:28
schestowitzwhen trump goes tweeting from his toilet seatAug 06 18:28
schestowitzand you know his phone numberAug 06 18:28
schestowitzthat's when things get fun for foreign intel'', gathering shots of his lower anusAug 06 18:29
schestowitz(not the mouth)Aug 06 18:29
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz Yeah, I have a landline in the hotel room but it's local calls only.Aug 06 18:41
DaemonFC[m]It's weird how they still charge for long distance on landlines.Aug 06 18:41
DaemonFC[m]I remember when I was a kid and my dad would always remind me if I had to make a long distance call get off the phone quickly because it was costing him money.Aug 06 18:43
DaemonFC[m]Then you had to have a local phome company and a long distance company, it was weird.Aug 06 18:43
DaemonFC[m]There was competition for long distance, but not local.Aug 06 18:44
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DaemonFC[m]CNBC is on at the car repair place.Aug 06 19:03
DaemonFC[m]This is looking like QVC for stocks.Aug 06 19:03
DaemonFC[m]They're blasting how stocks are going up up and away and how the stimulus will save us all.Aug 06 19:04
akinguIf fewer people are working, and the wealth accumlated is on the stock-market, how is that a save?Aug 06 19:31
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DaemonFC[m]Meh...Aug 06 21:14
DaemonFC[m]I've been spending on getting the car working correctly again.Aug 06 21:14
DaemonFC[m]Pretty much no matter how many repairs it needs, it's not bordering on even the monthly payments of a cheap Kia these days, much less with insurance bills.Aug 06 21:14
DaemonFC[m]I don't know how many years I can run the 2003 Impala. Maybe 4-5 more if I'm lucky. Asked about some rust repairs today.Aug 06 21:15
DaemonFC[m]grind, sand, fill, sprayAug 06 21:15
DaemonFC[m]If you can get all of the rust off and down to the metal and then do some filler and spray, it shouldn't come back there again, at least not while I'm interested in driving it.Aug 06 21:16
DaemonFC[m]<akingu "If fewer people are working, and"> They're saying the stock market is "richly valued" and it's "hard to find good deals".Aug 06 21:17
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, it's amazing. Your Central Bank starts buying everything while actual people are running for gold, silver, and Bitcoins and the market can be "richly valued" by the Fed, apparently.Aug 06 21:17
DaemonFC[m]People who have money to invest, and there still are some, are not going after Junk bonds that nobody will ever pay back, risky government debt, and stocks that are just being pumped up by the Fed as Trump's election stunt.Aug 06 21:18
DaemonFC[m]You'd never know that watching these CNBC and Business Insider people because their job....I mean, Jim Cramer is a loud asshole that has probably lost a sum total of tens or hundreds of billions of dollars to any Baby Boomer who tuned in for the duration and did what they told him to do. He's such a bad advisor that he actually started at CNBC after losing his equity clients a ton of money.Aug 06 21:19
DaemonFC[m]If you did what I call the "Reverse Cramer" over the last 20 years, you'd be loaded.Aug 06 21:20
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, back to the car. I'm just glad that mom took it somewhere that flushed out that GM DeathCool nonsense early on.Aug 06 21:23
DaemonFC[m]Or I might be looking at head gasket failure already.Aug 06 21:23
DaemonFC[m]GM started putting it into a car that they were discontinuing anyway. The Chevy Corsica for the 1995 model year. It's organic acid coolant. Great, right? Wrong. It "protects the water pump a little better", at the cost of eating through all of the gaskets it flows past, eventually.Aug 06 21:26
DaemonFC[m]By the time they actually put gaskets in that could withstand it much better, it was too late. They had 11 model years of cars out where people were having to replace head gaskets, intakes, you name it.Aug 06 21:27
DaemonFC[m]Of course, GM being what they are, they denied that there was a problem and waited for a class action lawsuit, and then settled for "cost of repairs" if you provided them an invoice with a mechanic saying that in their opinion, "DexCool" was the reason the gaskets failed.Aug 06 21:27
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: "Modern" is not just for software. B-)Aug 06 21:28
DaemonFC[m]"We are improving the design. Pray we improve it no further."Aug 06 21:28
DaemonFC[m]So every time its been in the shop and needed some coolant for whatever reason I tell them "Remember. GREEN ONLY. Do not use DexCool.".Aug 06 21:29
DaemonFC[m]"Do not use anything with organic acid technology in my car."Aug 06 21:29
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: GM DexCool is definitely the best way to blow out a head gasket and foul a spark plug with engine coolant.Aug 06 21:30
DaemonFC[m]If you're ever in the market for that, I highly recommend DexCool.Aug 06 21:30
DaemonFC[m]In fact, my experience with the Corsica, as I recall (head gasket) is when I told Ingalls to completely flush mom's car out and replace it with green back around 2005 I think.Aug 06 21:31
DaemonFC[m]I said "Just flush it out twice to make sure you got it.".Aug 06 21:32
DaemonFC[m]Nothing bad should happen with Green as long as it's only Green and you didn't mix them. This car has been running that was for 15 years and the innards of the engine and radiator are fine.Aug 06 21:33
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Whenever GM says "This recall service will replace the affected part with a new part of an improved design.", I laugh. Aug 06 21:34
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Well, the last one was setting people's house on fire when the car exploded in the garage, so here's hoping the design has improved.".Aug 06 21:34
DaemonFC[m]Exploding Impala? Seen it. Covered it. We are Farmers. Dum da da dum dum dum!Aug 06 21:35
DaemonFC[m]Just another excellent reason to bundle your auto and homeowners and save!Aug 06 21:35
DaemonFC[m]Since that one was a government mandated recall it didn't have an end date. So I pull this thing in and the salesman says "Do you want to trade it in for a 2019 Impala?" I go "Hahahahahahaaaa! Oh boy. You need to quit your job and become a stand up comedian.".Aug 06 21:37
DaemonFC[m]I said, "You know, I really would consider it, except that you're asking $60,000 for a car that will probably be outlived by this 2003.".Aug 06 21:37
DaemonFC[m]Oh yeah, they'll be towing that fucker off right after the payments end, probably. If it lasts that long.Aug 06 21:38
DaemonFC[m]I've heard a lot of people say buying a 2013+ Impala was the worst mistake they ever made. Some of them had the extended warranty and GM ended up replacing the entire transmission 3 or 4 times before it ever hit 100,000 miles.Aug 06 21:39
DaemonFC[m]Mine's coming up on 300,000. It's been rebuilt once (100,000), but these CVT transmissions are just junk.Aug 06 21:40
DaemonFC[m]You'll probably kill five of them before your payments end if you try to tow anything.Aug 06 21:40
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I'm hearing that Trump may have overpaid by as much as $500 million for the ventilators.Aug 06 21:41
DaemonFC[m]"The Art of the Deal". Have to keep GM going even while they fuck their union workers, move to China, and manage to fall behind BMW on reliability. Aug 06 21:41
DaemonFC[m]I just really can't say enough bad things about GM. The only reason I'm driving one is because it's what mom buys for some reason. She has an air conditioner relay on her 2011 that is making woodpecker noises and the guy at the shop says, "You know, we really don't see these things fail because of that. They're just really loud. GM hasn't managed to fix that, so we can take your money, but it'll never be right. I'veAug 06 21:44
DaemonFC[m]had one guy in here insisting on replacing it three times already and it's already doing it again.".Aug 06 21:44
DaemonFC[m]Electronic circuitry. How's that work?Aug 06 21:44
DaemonFC[m]Linus Torvalds said that since the 1960s, humans have not had enough time to evolve in any meaningful way, but it was apparently long enough for them to forget how hardware works.Aug 06 21:45
DaemonFC[m]I think he might have been taking a jab at Intel. GM and Intel share that. They forgot how hardware works and have shoved a lot of things that shouldn't work that way into their recent stuff because they know it'll blow up and you'll give up and buy a new car. The problem with this for Intel is that AMD sells compatible computer processors. The problem for GM is that there are now 23 brands that you can buy in the USAug 06 21:47
DaemonFC[m]that will all serve you better than theirs.Aug 06 21:47
DaemonFC[m]The 2003 Impala is actually designed worse than the 2002 Impala, which used cast aluminum for the upper and lower intakes. Cast aluminum shouldn't just crack. It can happen, but it doesn't do it often, even after 25 years. The intake manifolds on a 2002 will last longer than anyone owns it, probably.Aug 06 21:48
DaemonFC[m]They switched over to plastic, which in my case lasted 16 years on the lower intake and 17 years on the uppers. So to cheap out and go "Oh, they'll never know." GM switched to this stuff in 2003 and took the life of $1,000 worth of engine work down by 8 years or more.Aug 06 21:49
DaemonFC[m]If you really want to cut the life expectancy of your engine, put turbochargers in it.Aug 06 21:51
DaemonFC[m]BMW has engines with two of them in there.Aug 06 21:52
DaemonFC[m]They put more pressure on the vacuum lines, the pistons, the walls of the combustion chamber...the turbos themselves need rebuilt, the intakes (plastic), the air ducts (plastic), the valve covers (plastic). You go through spark plugs twice as fast.Aug 06 21:53
DaemonFC[m]They're fun to drive, but they're not built to last.Aug 06 21:53
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Did you see that article about them buying a used GM vehicle with one of those "built in infotainment centers" and dumping the hard drive?Aug 06 21:55
DaemonFC[m]Oh yeah, spinning metal hard drive with proprietary computer software in a car that is hitting bumps.Aug 06 21:55
DaemonFC[m]VERY ROBUST!Aug 06 21:55
DaemonFC[m]I'm wondering if someone could dump it all out and copy it straight over to an SSD and connect it with an adapter system.Aug 06 21:56
DaemonFC[m]At least that way you have something solid state that's in there that doesn't care if it's bouncing around.Aug 06 21:56
DaemonFC[m]Oh those car parts stores are fun. I once had a speaker blow out on a 1992 Lumina and I said, "Oh yeah, how much for a speaker?". The guy goes, "$9.99". I'm like "Cool!" , so I go over there and buy it and then he says "Well, you need a $39.99 adapter for it.". I said, "No I don't. I need my pocket knife and some electrical tape.".Aug 06 21:58
DaemonFC[m]You know, I don't think I'm ever going to carry a knife again. I learned last time that it doesn't matter if it's a fucking 2" blade in your pocket. The police will say you had a "deadly weapon" while you assaulted someone by shouting at them.Aug 06 21:59
DaemonFC[m]It's a set up. You can't even carry a pocket knife, which every man used to have, without the state putting it in an evidence bag and using it to fuck you harder if you ever get arrested for anything.Aug 06 22:00
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Illinois is basically Matthew Garrett's wet dream. It's ran by a bunch of fucking pussies who are singing Soprano, like him.Aug 06 22:01
DaemonFC[m]They're on a mission to make not only American and World History illegal to teach to kids, but to be a man.Aug 06 22:01
DaemonFC[m]The problem with the far-right, of course, is to prove how "manly" they are, they refuse to wear face masks and are taking the brunt of the death toll from this pandemic.Aug 06 22:02
DaemonFC[m]It's so lopsided it's not even close.Aug 06 22:02
DaemonFC[m]Given the demographics that the virus is most likely to kill and their behavior, if we passed 160,000 dead Americans, I'd venture to say that probably 100,000 of them were Republicans, if they voted. Aug 06 22:03
DaemonFC[m]Mom simply does not want to hear the facts and the evidence, which is that for every 100 Democrats, 93 are wearing masks, and out of 100 Republicans, only 64 are.Aug 06 22:04
DaemonFC[m]This is self-reporting to the AP/NORC tracking poll.Aug 06 22:05
DaemonFC[m]It's looking like 200,000 dead by early September in the US, of COVID-19.Aug 06 22:06
DaemonFC[m]It's done 10 years (120 months) of flu deaths in a little over 5 months.Aug 06 22:06
DaemonFC[m]Oh, well, my family members, who are nurses, were dismissive of my suggestion in late March that we were looking at anywhere from 350,000 to 1.2 million dead 12 months in depending on exactly how deadly the virus ended up being.Aug 06 22:08
DaemonFC[m]350,000-400,000 is on the lower end of my estimate from late March and I'm not an expert, I just ran the numbers assuming various mortality rates and how fast it would spread and how many hospital beds there were in each region of the country.Aug 06 22:09
DaemonFC[m]What the survival rates were once a person was on a ventilator (50% or so).Aug 06 22:09
DaemonFC[m]My 1.2 million figure was that the thing had a very high rate of infection and nobody mandated face masks and nobody much cooperated with handwashing and stuff. Aug 06 22:10
DaemonFC[m]350,000 was my "mitigation" figure, baking in the likelihood that Trump continued doing worse than nothing at the federal level and half the states cared and half didn't. Aug 06 22:11
DaemonFC[m]So we'll end up about where my "best case with Trump" numbers were at.Aug 06 22:11
DaemonFC[m]At this point it's less about slowing the spread for me and more about lasting long enough while avoiding it that there's a vaccine. I really hope my mom and cousins get over their "Facebook Degree" level of knowledge of vaccines, which is appalling for nurses. One of my cousins even smokes.....during this. Aug 06 22:13
DaemonFC[m]Roy might be right that even if Trump is correct about pulling out all the stops on the vaccine and we get a "dodgy experiment" in January, I'd say that's better than the odds a 63 year old woman has with COVID-19. I'd say the odds of vaccine related injury that is serious from this, based on the human studies so far, is maybe 1%. The odds of dying if you stand around and wait for COVID-19 is like 20% maybe?Aug 06 22:15
DaemonFC[m]It goes up. For an 80 year old man it's close to 1 in 3. Very deadly.Aug 06 22:16
DaemonFC[m]We're just not very good at Coronavirus vaccines. It's literally.... Most Coronaviruses are the "Common Cold", so nobody has much taken them seriously, and where they have flared up, they were so aggressive about spreading fast and killing quickly that they were suppressed while they were still in China or the Middle East or South Korea when it was SARS or MERS.Aug 06 22:17
DaemonFC[m]Also, our healthcare system prioritizes what people with money want, because my mom was successful in her voting all of these years, and now we have Viagra and Male Pattern Baldness treatments and god help you if you end up in the hospital.Aug 06 22:18
DaemonFC[m]On the far-right, which is taking over Facebook it's like "Don't trust this infectious disease expert. Here's a guy named Steve holding up a fish whose profile picture is a truck. He says don't worry!".Aug 06 22:20
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DaemonFC[m]Next thing schestowitz will want is something to show for his tax money supporting the Queen.Aug 06 23:15
DaemonFC[m]Buckingham Palace tried to sign up for a poor relief program in the UK to help low income people heat their home. They complained that it was costing them a lot of money to heat the place.Aug 06 23:16
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DaemonFC[m]Then when the news reported on that, they went all "no comment" and retracted their application.Aug 06 23:16
DaemonFC[m]It's nice to know that probably 500 families who needed the help would get cut off so that the Queen can stay warm in her palace.Aug 06 23:16
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DaemonFC[m]I think their argument went something like the Queen qualified for the poor relief as the law was written.Aug 06 23:17
DaemonFC[m]Well, I think the law probably needs an amendment if the Queen qualifies for income-based heating assistance for a palace.Aug 06 23:18
DaemonFC[m]Then here they are in the UK, right, cutting people off from food assistance to the point where some of them haven't had anything to eat in 8 days by the time they see their caseworkers.Aug 06 23:19
DaemonFC[m]They actually do much, much less for the poor there in many ways, it seem, than the US does.Aug 06 23:19
DaemonFC[m]That's saying something.Aug 06 23:19
DaemonFC[m]If you're hungry here there's lots of places where they'll give you basic food to last a few days at a time, and the Sikhs, they have a free dinner every night for anyone who needs it. They consider it a mandate apparently, to help the poor.Aug 06 23:20
DaemonFC[m]Imagine that, a religion that is interested in helping people.Aug 06 23:21
MinceRweirdAug 06 23:21
DaemonFC[m]I know, I know. We're jaded here. We're used to the ones who find out they're molesting kids and the priest suddenly needs to serve at a church in a country with no extradition treaty.Aug 06 23:21
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DaemonFC[m]Which is totally not a flight to escape justice, mind you.Aug 06 23:22
DaemonFC[m]Here's some financial compensation for shutting up. If you can just sign the Non-Disclosure forms here, here, initial there....Aug 06 23:22
DaemonFC[m]I've heard that rape is less about having sex and enjoying it and more about power over a victim.Aug 06 23:23
DaemonFC[m]Right before my mom got divorced from her second husband, his grandson raped two of his own sisters.Aug 06 23:24
DaemonFC[m]The cops went and arrested him and he went to juvie for a while. Now he's out and the record is sealed. Nice, huh?Aug 06 23:24
DaemonFC[m]When the detective asked him why he did that he said "I wanted to have sex.".Aug 06 23:24
DaemonFC[m]Someone like that should never see daylight again.Aug 06 23:25
DaemonFC[m]Then while he was talking to the police, he thought it would be a neat idea to try to get them after me.Aug 06 23:25
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DaemonFC[m]So while he was in there, he said that he saw me looking at porn on my computer (impossible because when I lived there the computer was in my bedroom and the door locked. Aug 06 23:26
DaemonFC[m]So the police started an investigation of me, that I was unaware of at the time.Aug 06 23:27
DaemonFC[m]They started questioning my mom, her husband, my brother, Trent's victims....everyone.Aug 06 23:27
DaemonFC[m]Then they all vouched for me to the detective and the detective went back and talked to Trent some more (again I had no idea this was even going on), and he said "I lied to you because I thought it would help me.".Aug 06 23:28
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Yes, I had this little incestuous pervert making scandalous accusations against me and it was only after the police said, "You know, we're not buying this." that he confessed that he made the whole thing up.Aug 06 23:29
schestowitzcatching upAug 06 23:30
schestowitzjust woke upAug 06 23:30
DaemonFC[m]So my mom comes to tell me that there was a police investigation of me that sprung out of this, briefly, and I was fit to be tied after hearing it.Aug 06 23:30
schestowitzI think I remember that incidentAug 06 23:32
DaemonFC[m]Well, if they charge it and it goes to court, you're finished.Aug 06 23:33
DaemonFC[m]You think the normal show trials are bad, wait until this happens.Aug 06 23:33
schestowitzUS just passed 5 million cases, I seeAug 06 23:33
DaemonFC[m]Happened to my cousin's husband because his ex wife was mad at him.Aug 06 23:33
schestowitzlots of people with health problems for years to comeAug 06 23:33
DaemonFC[m]He did 2 years in the slammer and he's on ankle monitoring and THE LIST.Aug 06 23:33
DaemonFC[m]While he was in jail, HE got raped and beaten.Aug 06 23:34
DaemonFC[m]He'll never be the same person again.Aug 06 23:34
DaemonFC[m]The story the woman told just didn't add up, and she kept changing it.Aug 06 23:35
DaemonFC[m]The prosecutor indicted him anyway.Aug 06 23:35
DaemonFC[m]Never underestimate the state when it wants to make something up out of whole cloth.Aug 06 23:36
DaemonFC[m]The "every woman deserves to be believed!" people have only made false accusations worse.Aug 06 23:36
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "lots of people with health probl"> Most of them already had health problems.Aug 06 23:37
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Illinois numbers getting bad again.Aug 06 23:38
DaemonFC[m]I bought some cloth face masks to wear under my KN95.Aug 06 23:38
DaemonFC[m]It's an effort to breathe under all of that, but it's workable for short durations inside the store, post office, and car repair shop.Aug 06 23:39
DaemonFC[m]I've ended up with a "partial engine rebuild" over the last year that has expanded to mean almost all of the plastic and rubber. Makes me kind of sick to think about. Aug 06 23:43
schestowitzi wear double (masks) nowAug 06 23:43
DaemonFC[m]I had them do a compression test before the upper intake and fuel regulator and vacuum line repair, and after.Aug 06 23:44
DaemonFC[m]Suggests the rest of the engine is in good condition, so I don't feel like a big idiot.Aug 06 23:44
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "i wear double (masks) now"> I have been since early April.Aug 06 23:45
DaemonFC[m]Even with surgical masks, doubling them showed benefit in a study on pandemic flu.Aug 06 23:46
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: By book value, I'm crazy for repairing this car.Aug 06 23:48
DaemonFC[m]But they are influenced more by people wanting to sell new cars.Aug 06 23:48
DaemonFC[m]They want to rapidly depreciate your car using a formula that you're not allowed to know.Aug 06 23:48
DaemonFC[m]That way they can get you going "It needs repairs and the book says....".Aug 06 23:49
DaemonFC[m]So you go to the dealer and they give you some bubble gum and Bennigan's coupons to "take it off your hands".Aug 06 23:49
DaemonFC[m]Their new tricks is putting so many things in there that only the dealer can work on, and then telling you the dealer wants triple for labor hours that other shops do.Aug 06 23:50
DaemonFC[m]I called Chevy to see what a new upper intake kit with labor hours would cost me. Wasn't pretty.Aug 06 23:50
DaemonFC[m]They came back at me for $1,295. This shop I go to charged me $500. Aug 06 23:51
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: I am about to publish the 4th fileAug 06 23:54
schestowitzJonesAug 06 23:54
DaemonFC[m]It's just comical, really. Then amidst these repairs I came across a "service adviser" from a dealership in Houston who wrote "Please stop calling us the Stealership.".Aug 06 23:54
DaemonFC[m]I will when they cut this shit out.Aug 06 23:54
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "Jones"> How did you get these? You said they won't release them if you're not an American.Aug 06 23:55
schestowitzhere 06 23:56
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schestowitzdoes it make sense?Aug 06 23:56
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: I got them through someoneAug 06 23:56
DaemonFC[m]I'll take a look here.Aug 06 23:57
DaemonFC[m]You know, under Illinois law you have to state the purpose you need them.Aug 06 23:57
schestowitzThey ask if you are impactedAug 06 23:57
DaemonFC[m]It's illegal to say "Oh I need this because of a pending lawsuit." and then publish them on a blog or something.Aug 06 23:57
schestowitzand the answer is, noAug 06 23:57
schestowitzlike being among the victimsAug 06 23:57
DaemonFC[m]Nice that the police can't spell.Aug 06 23:58
DaemonFC[m]"Search warrannt"Aug 06 23:58
schestowitzit is not just a data dumpAug 06 23:59
schestowitzfor months we did report based on theseAug 06 23:59
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: seems like a typoAug 06 23:59
schestowitzlike accidentAug 06 23:59
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the immigration forms are like this.Aug 06 23:59
DaemonFC[m]You really have to go over them like 10 times looking for mistakes.Aug 06 23:59

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