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Ariadne | twitter finally banned trump | Jan 09 00:17 |
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DaemonFC[m] | "Would you shut the hell up, man!?" -Twitter | Jan 09 00:22 |
DaemonFC[m] | B-) | Jan 09 00:22 |
DaemonFC[m] | Good. Less churnalism quoting Trump's tweets. | Jan 09 00:23 |
DaemonFC[m] | Google removed the Parler app from the Play STore. | Jan 09 00:49 |
DaemonFC[m] | If there's no Parler on iPhone, it means Trump can't install it. | Jan 09 01:01 |
DaemonFC[m] | He uses an iPhone. | Jan 09 01:01 |
DaemonFC[m] | Apple says Parler will be banned in 24 hours. | Jan 09 01:01 |
DaemonFC[m] | Unless it "cleans up the platform" by then, somehow. | Jan 09 01:01 |
DaemonFC[m] | Which means that Apple has done to Parler what it did to porn on Tumblr, which caused everyone to pile out of Tumblr and go to Reddit looking for porn. | Jan 09 01:02 |
Ariadne | good | Jan 09 01:21 |
schestowitz | [00:17] <Ariadne> twitter finally banned trump | Jan 09 01:32 |
schestowitz | url? | Jan 09 01:32 |
schestowitz | too late? | Jan 09 01:32 |
schestowitz | after 5 years of race-baiting | Jan 09 01:32 |
schestowitz | and threatening violence against whole countries | Jan 09 01:32 |
schestowitz | they just try to rewrite their record | Jan 09 01:33 |
schestowitz | when there's nothing left for them to lose | Jan 09 01:33 |
schestowitz | as he's one foot out already | Jan 09 01:33 |
schestowitz | [23:01] <DaemonFC[m]> And I hear that people tend to get sicker after the second dose than they did from the first. | Jan 09 01:33 |
schestowitz | I heard similar... | Jan 09 01:34 |
schestowitz | from a nurse | Jan 09 01:34 |
schestowitz | [21:57] <DaemonFC[m]> The fact that almost 100 people were infected in the White House Coronavirus outbreak and Pence wasn't one of them shows us how out of the loop he is. | Jan 09 01:38 |
schestowitz | maybe he lied | Jan 09 01:38 |
schestowitz | maybe at one point he did in fact test positive | Jan 09 01:41 |
DaemonFC[m] | https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/8/22221579/discord-bans-the-donald-server-reddit-subreddit | Jan 09 01:45 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Discord bans pro-Trump server ‘The Donald’ - The Verge | Jan 09 01:45 | |
schestowitz | too late | Jan 09 01:46 |
schestowitz | pathetic | Jan 09 01:46 |
schestowitz | way too late | Jan 09 01:46 |
DaemonFC[m] | https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/8/22220834/reddit-trump-subreddit-ban-violence-us-capitol-mob | Jan 09 01:48 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Reddit bans r/donaldtrump forum for inciting violence - The Verge | Jan 09 01:48 | |
schestowitz | Way, way, way too late. Symbolic at best. | Jan 09 01:49 |
schestowitz | they wash their hands off it | Jan 09 01:50 |
schestowitz | “Audio playback quality is very good, and better than in Windows. Not sure why, but I’m not complaining. Usually, it’s the other way around, so I’m quite pleased.” https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/lenovo-ideapad-3-review.html | Jan 09 02:08 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com | Lenovo IdeaPad 3 - New test laptop, very decent value | Jan 09 02:08 | |
schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: there's a saying | Jan 09 02:08 |
schestowitz | which I cannot quite lucidly recall | Jan 09 02:08 |
schestowitz | something about judging people based on difficult actions/decisions | Jan 09 02:08 |
schestowitz | what conde nast (reddit), discord, twitter, fb do it no heroism | Jan 09 02:08 |
schestowitz | it's distorting their record | Jan 09 02:08 |
schestowitz | after facilitating visceral hatred for half a decade | Jan 09 02:09 |
schestowitz | so I would not judge them based on the late actions | Jan 09 02:09 |
schestowitz | it's almost a reminder of how lousy they were | Jan 09 02:09 |
schestowitz | to keep regulators away | Jan 09 02:09 |
schestowitz | now it's just convenient for them to 'take a stand/stance' | Jan 09 02:09 |
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schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19830349 | Jan 09 02:35 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #mozilla CEO: we need more and MOAR #internet #censorship https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ I'd move away from #firefox given their general stance on these things... | Jan 09 02:35 | |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blog.mozilla.org | We need more than deplatforming - The Mozilla Blog | Jan 09 02:35 | |
schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19830353 | Jan 09 02:35 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #mozilla is not a technical company anymore. #firefox is a technical program, but it’s managed by someone who hoards millions per year while pretending to be some non-profit NGO (Foundation, not Corporation). | Jan 09 02:35 | |
schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19830359 | Jan 09 02:36 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It is NOT the job of a Web browser to do #censorship or advocate for it; it's supposed to just render pages. That's what it's supposed to do. #mozilla #firefox and their slippery slope... | Jan 09 02:36 | |
vZS1 | As if getting rid of a few accounts and groups has any effect. At best it just lets them play the victim. | Jan 09 02:40 |
schestowitz | This is what usually happens | Jan 09 02:43 |
vZS1 | It's just posturing for the new administration | Jan 09 02:43 |
schestowitz | they carry on speaking, just elsewhere | Jan 09 02:43 |
schestowitz | vZS1: yes, obviously | Jan 09 02:43 |
schestowitz | notice the timing | Jan 09 02:43 |
vZS1 | If you don't see that you're blind to politics | Jan 09 02:43 |
schestowitz | Friday the week (and a half) before the fake 'left' steps in | Jan 09 02:43 |
schestowitz | http://devclass.com/2020/12/22/go-lang-1_16-beta/ | Jan 09 02:44 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Two more months until Go: 1.16 beta offers improved tooling up for a test-drive • DEVCLASS | Jan 09 02:44 | |
schestowitz | I thin these won't be very visible anymore | Jan 09 02:45 |
schestowitz | just "malware" talk | Jan 09 02:45 |
schestowitz | because go is... well, a programming thing | Jan 09 02:45 |
DaemonFC[m] | https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/8/22221683/trump-tried-to-evade-his-ban-with-potus-but-those-tweets-were-instantly-deleted | Jan 09 02:45 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Trump tried to evade his ban with @POTUS, but those tweets were instantly deleted - The Verge | Jan 09 02:45 | |
vZS1 | Go pisses me off because it tries to tell me how to link my code together | Jan 09 02:47 |
vZS1 | I hate everything that tries to go beyond file handling | Jan 09 02:47 |
vZS1 | All this module crap is forcing architecture I never asked for | Jan 09 02:48 |
vZS1 | Notice the oppressive module system in the new languages. | Jan 09 02:48 |
vZS1 | C doesn't do all this. You always deal with just plain files. Simple, universal abstraction | Jan 09 02:49 |
vZS1 | include or do not include | Jan 09 02:49 |
vZS1 | I have Git for structuring and automating my repositories | Jan 09 02:50 |
DaemonFC[m] | https://www.foxnews.com/politics/squad-bowman-trump-saddam-hussein | Jan 09 02:51 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.foxnews.com | Squad member compares Trump Twitter ban to capture of Saddam Hussein | Fox News | Jan 09 02:51 | |
DaemonFC[m] | Trump was his own Baghdad Bob. | Jan 09 02:51 |
schestowitz | wait | Jan 09 02:54 |
schestowitz | let me find link from yesterday's Daily Links | Jan 09 02:54 |
schestowitz | https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/01/07/carrying-death-sentence-if-convicted-iraq-issues-arrest-warrant-trump-murder-charges | Jan 09 02:54 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Carrying Death Sentence If Convicted, Iraq Issues Arrest Warrant for Trump on Murder Charges | Common Dreams News | Jan 09 02:54 | |
schestowitz | But I liked this one even more: https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/01/06/after-right-wing-coup-effort-dc-venezuela-offers-sympathy-us-suffering-what-it-has | Jan 09 02:54 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | After Right-Wing Coup Effort in DC, Venezuela Offers Sympathy for US Suffering What 'It Has Generated' Elsewhere | Common Dreams News | Jan 09 02:54 | |
schestowitz | classy | Jan 09 02:54 |
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cybrNaut | no politician should be using Twitter in the 1st place. It's not right for /public/ officials to use exclusive private walled-gardens to interact with the /public/. | Jan 09 03:04 |
schestowitz | true | Jan 09 03:04 |
schestowitz | we've said that for ages | Jan 09 03:04 |
schestowitz | They outsource communication to a third party | Jan 09 03:04 |
schestowitz | a private company with foreign shareholders | Jan 09 03:04 |
schestowitz | and quarterly targets | Jan 09 03:04 |
schestowitz | Also, it discriminates in access | Jan 09 03:04 |
schestowitz | there were lawsuits over this | Jan 09 03:05 |
schestowitz | Trump blocked me in Twitter in 2017 | Jan 09 03:05 |
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cybrNaut | If I want to tweet to my representative, I have to give twitter a phone number, and twitter can refuse service for any reason. Fuck that. The whitehouse should run its own Mastodon node | Jan 09 03:05 |
schestowitz | mastodon is frustrating also | Jan 09 03:06 |
schestowitz | social control media is a regression | Jan 09 03:06 |
cybrNaut | indeed some ppl got blocked by trump, and they sued, and iirc trump was forced to unban them | Jan 09 03:06 |
schestowitz | I already lost two mastodon/fediverse account | Jan 09 03:06 |
schestowitz | the last two due to site shutdowns | Jan 09 03:06 |
cybrNaut | well you always have the option of running your own instance | Jan 09 03:07 |
cybrNaut | i lost a few gnu social accts due to spontaneous shutdowns without notice.. that shit is quite annoying | Jan 09 03:10 |
schestowitz | so the whole concept is shite | Jan 09 03:10 |
cybrNaut | they need to build in redundancy | Jan 09 03:11 |
schestowitz | how many times before you sto bothering? | Jan 09 03:11 |
schestowitz | when I joined pleroma.site I was reassured it would be online for at least 5 years | Jan 09 03:11 |
schestowitz | it lasted only 2 | Jan 09 03:11 |
schestowitz | and again I lost all so-called 'followers' | Jan 09 03:11 |
schestowitz | I'm not planning to start again | Jan 09 03:11 |
schestowitz | a fourth time | Jan 09 03:11 |
schestowitz | I created my own 'instance' | Jan 09 03:12 |
cybrNaut | followers should be portable for sure, b/c you get trapped by them | Jan 09 03:12 |
schestowitz | it does nor federate | Jan 09 03:12 |
schestowitz | but it won't go down as long as I am alive | Jan 09 03:12 |
schestowitz | cybrNaut: they're not | Jan 09 03:12 |
schestowitz | and there's no solution or plan for one | Jan 09 03:12 |
schestowitz | and sometimes you don't even know when a site will shut down | Jan 09 03:12 |
schestowitz | so no time to expore | Jan 09 03:12 |
schestowitz | export | Jan 09 03:13 |
schestowitz | pleroma.site died due to hardware issues | Jan 09 03:13 |
schestowitz | and poorly done backups it seems | Jan 09 03:13 |
schestowitz | 3 times in a row not its admin is not even responding to my question | Jan 09 03:13 |
schestowitz | prior to that more than thrice in a row he enthusiastically said it was coming back | Jan 09 03:13 |
schestowitz | So I assume he gave uo | Jan 09 03:13 |
schestowitz | *up | Jan 09 03:14 |
schestowitz | I asked him if he can pass on the site to someone else | Jan 09 03:14 |
schestowitz | no reply, 2 days | Jan 09 03:14 |
cybrNaut | backups could be solved on the client side, but then they'd have to be reposted elsewhere all on the same date, and linkage would probably break. Indeed it needs to evolve more | Jan 09 03:14 |
schestowitz | I thought about it a lot | Jan 09 03:15 |
schestowitz | also in relation to identi.ca a decade back | Jan 09 03:16 |
schestowitz | if you care about publication and preservation | Jan 09 03:16 |
schestowitz | then focus on your own blog and site | Jan 09 03:16 |
schestowitz | use RSS | Jan 09 03:16 |
schestowitz | and build a network of sites connected to each other | Jan 09 03:16 |
schestowitz | not all this "friend" thing | Jan 09 03:16 |
schestowitz | RSS readers, instead | Jan 09 03:16 |
cybrNaut | we also need a parody venue, so I can write a msg to a walled-off politician without setting foot in the walled-garden. They wouldn't necessarily see the msg unless they know to look, but i'd accept that as an incremental evolution | Jan 09 03:20 |
cybrNaut | sometimes I want to talk to a politician and they're just the prop, with the public being the actual target audience | Jan 09 03:24 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: can you talk href into passing on the domain pleroma.site if he's no longer intending to fix it? | Jan 09 03:25 |
schestowitz | he stopped replying to me | Jan 09 03:26 |
schestowitz | so I assume he gave up on the restore process a week or so ago | Jan 09 03:26 |
cybrNaut | itnewsbot> [18:36:00] [12] Michael Flynn and Sidney Powell banned from Twitter in QAnon purge - Enlarge | Jan 09 03:34 |
schestowitz | yikes | Jan 09 03:35 |
schestowitz | US of Anarchy | Jan 09 03:35 |
schestowitz | and idiots in large numbers | Jan 09 03:36 |
DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "the last two due to site shutdow"> GNU Social was one. | Jan 09 03:40 |
DaemonFC[m] | Did they get to Giuliani? Or was he too busy grinding on 15 year olds as he leaked hair dye to post anything outrageous lately? | Jan 09 03:40 |
DaemonFC[m] | (Borat 2) | Jan 09 03:40 |
schestowitz | ? | Jan 09 03:41 |
schestowitz | what's the connection? | Jan 09 03:41 |
schestowitz | I was alluding to the fact that over the years many sites where I posted and received content vanished | Jan 09 03:42 |
schestowitz | the first, I believe, was digg.com | Jan 09 03:42 |
cybrNaut | if Twitter bans me as an activist that gives civil warnings to people about CloudFlare (and they did), then I'm happy to see mass Twitter bannings because it helps expose to others that they don't respect civil speech. Although nothing q-anon says would be civil so i guess those blocks won't drive too many ppl off | Jan 09 03:42 |
schestowitz | where I had posted and received a lot of comments | Jan 09 03:42 |
schestowitz | USENET is NOT like that | Jan 09 03:42 |
schestowitz | my USENET posts and replies are still online | Jan 09 03:42 |
schestowitz | their model and topology was robust by design | Jan 09 03:42 |
*cybrNaut used usenet up until mixmaster broke on debian | Jan 09 03:43 | |
schestowitz | [03:40] <Techrights-sec> Back on topic, the current US politics are being used as a vehicle | Jan 09 03:43 |
schestowitz | [03:40] <Techrights-sec> to gain acceptance for mass censorship. | Jan 09 03:43 |
schestowitz | [03:40] <Techrights-sec> Everyone is cheering the bans so enthusiastically that almost no one | Jan 09 03:43 |
schestowitz | [03:40] <Techrights-sec> is actually checking to ensure that it is in line with the constitution. | Jan 09 03:43 |
schestowitz | [03:40] <Techrights-sec> It is more than what Bush II called it, a "goddamned piece of paper" | Jan 09 03:43 |
DaemonFC[m] | Twitter is self-destructing and it shut Donald Trump up. | Jan 09 03:43 |
DaemonFC[m] | Where's the downside? | Jan 09 03:43 |
cybrNaut | indeed | Jan 09 03:43 |
Techrights-sec | https://www.counterpunch.org/2005/12/14/quot-just-a-goddamned-piece-of-paper-quot/ | Jan 09 03:45 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"Just a Goddamned Piece of Paper" - CounterPunch.org | Jan 09 03:45 | |
cybrNaut | by driving high-profile ppl off Twitter, it potentially gives exposure to Twitter's superior competition if they move to it, and that's a good thing | Jan 09 03:46 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: you miss the point | Jan 09 03:46 |
schestowitz | they also delete POTUS tweets | Jan 09 03:46 |
schestowitz | it's perhaps useful for shareholders | Jan 09 03:47 |
schestowitz | but... | Jan 09 03:47 |
schestowitz | it'll raise many questions for years to come | Jan 09 03:47 |
schestowitz | including: | Jan 09 03:47 |
schestowitz | why now? | Jan 09 03:47 |
schestowitz | why not ages ago? | Jan 09 03:47 |
schestowitz | he violated policies ages ago | Jan 09 03:47 |
schestowitz | but he was still useful to their business model | Jan 09 03:47 |
cybrNaut | i could create a new twitter acct and use it, but that would make me an enabler for a control freakish centralized service. So I stay away from twtr now. | Jan 09 03:50 |
schestowitz | my twitter story in a nutshell | Jan 09 03:56 |
schestowitz | tmanco (tony) asked me to join identi.ca | Jan 09 03:56 |
schestowitz | here in IRC | Jan 09 03:56 |
schestowitz | reluctantly I eventually did | Jan 09 03:57 |
schestowitz | it slowed down my posting flow in techrights | Jan 09 03:57 |
schestowitz | later I realised that with ping.fm (IIRC) I could cross-post to Twitter | Jan 09 03:57 |
schestowitz | so a Twitter account was made too | Jan 09 03:57 |
schestowitz | also very reluctantly | Jan 09 03:57 |
schestowitz | later joindiaspora | Jan 09 03:57 |
schestowitz | when twitter started shadowbanning me | Jan 09 03:57 |
schestowitz | like 50 times | Jan 09 03:58 |
schestowitz | I then protested by creating also a gab account, before it was a beehive of lunatics | Jan 09 03:58 |
schestowitz | but twitter is just there getting copies of things | Jan 09 03:58 |
schestowitz | it's no longer attracting traffic like it did half a decade ago, they're just ad-pushing and agenda-steering now, for profit | Jan 09 03:59 |
schestowitz | it's their new business model | Jan 09 03:59 |
schestowitz | a lot of people quit over it | Jan 09 03:59 |
schestowitz | 25 days ago they also started blocking sites that don't do JS or that Twitter does not "like" | Jan 09 03:59 |
schestowitz | that was a final nail on their coffin | Jan 09 03:59 |
schestowitz | now, without trump, they have just pop stars and crap | Jan 09 04:00 |
schestowitz | hopefully people will see all those sites for what they really are | Jan 09 04:00 |
schestowitz | and... STOP PARTICIPATING | Jan 09 04:00 |
schestowitz | If pleroma.site is not coming back, and it does not seem like it will anymore (he cannot recover it from backups), I won't bother with fediverse at all anymore | Jan 09 04:00 |
schestowitz | and that's a shame as Ariadne crafted a very nice bot, viera, to syndicate from there in IRC | Jan 09 04:01 |
cybrNaut | it's a bit of a shame the right-wing nut jobs are pushed onto Mastodon, and the pop stars who bring a huge audience of normies are still on Twitter | Jan 09 04:01 |
cybrNaut | wish it were the other way around | Jan 09 04:01 |
schestowitz | it just shows | Jan 09 04:02 |
schestowitz | that this does not solve the issue | Jan 09 04:02 |
schestowitz | go back to blogging | Jan 09 04:02 |
schestowitz | the nuts will subscribe to nuts in nutty sites | Jan 09 04:02 |
schestowitz | like "daily stormer" (if it's still online) | Jan 09 04:02 |
cybrNaut | well, the #isolateGab movement seems to work well enough. | Jan 09 04:03 |
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schestowitz | Ariadne: I've just noticed that I cannot access the containers from HV using attach -n as per https://linux.die.net/man/1/lxc-attach | Jan 09 04:24 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.die.net | lxc-attach(1) - Linux man page | Jan 09 04:24 | |
schestowitz | I'm quite sure same syntax did work last week unless my notes aren't right anymore | Jan 09 04:25 |
schestowitz | actually, seems as though I can access TR and mysql | Jan 09 04:28 |
schestowitz | but not TM or viera, not from HV anyway | Jan 09 04:28 |
schestowitz | I'm sure I could enter viera before (from HV) | Jan 09 04:29 |
schestowitz | I just want to try to work around things to make it fetch input | Jan 09 04:30 |
Ariadne | its because those containers need to be restarted after adding systemd cgroup | Jan 09 04:59 |
schestowitz | systemd ;-) | Jan 09 04:59 |
schestowitz | I was too afraid to tinker with things at this level in alpine | Jan 09 05:01 |
schestowitz | after breaking sudoers before | Jan 09 05:01 |
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DaemonFC[m] | doesn't visudo still exist? | Jan 09 05:28 |
schestowitz__ | it dos | Jan 09 05:30 |
schestowitz__ | does | Jan 09 05:30 |
schestowitz__ | but I did not use it | Jan 09 05:30 |
schestowitz__ | crontab -e also validates the files | Jan 09 05:30 |
schestowitz__ | DaemonFC[m]: I want to revive IRC bots, one way or another | Jan 09 05:31 |
schestowitz__ | we've had them here for over a decade | Jan 09 05:31 |
schestowitz__ | href from pleroma.site kept reassuring me for week the site was coming back | Jan 09 05:31 |
schestowitz__ | but he seems to have given up | Jan 09 05:31 |
schestowitz__ | after some failed attempts at restoring | Jan 09 05:31 |
schestowitz__ | maybe I can tweak Ariadne's bot, maybe i'll come up with something else | Jan 09 05:32 |
schestowitz__ | but I am 99% sure pleroma.site won't be coming back online, which is a shame (3rd time I lose a fediverse account in less than 5 years) | Jan 09 05:32 |
schestowitz__ | (which means starting again from 0 followers, 0 posts etc.) | Jan 09 05:33 |
schestowitz__ | I won't be doing that anymor | Jan 09 05:33 |
schestowitz__ | 3 strikes, you're out, fediverse | Jan 09 05:33 |
DaemonFC[m] | What's wrong with mastodon.social | Jan 09 05:44 |
schestowitz__ | ask me again what that TOO shuts down | Jan 09 05:45 |
schestowitz__ | There's no business model to these things | Jan 09 05:46 |
schestowitz__ | you rely on the mercy of people who don't give a damn about you | Jan 09 05:46 |
schestowitz__ | in the past few months I saw quite a few mastodon instances shut down | Jan 09 05:46 |
schestowitz__ | with short notice, not even a reason given | Jan 09 05:46 |
schestowitz__ | maybe money and time (maintenance) | Jan 09 05:46 |
psydroid | the only option is to host things yourself and then sync with other instances that may or may not stay up | Jan 09 06:38 |
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schestowitz__ | psydroid: yes, this is what I do now | Jan 09 07:34 |
schestowitz__ | it used to also sync to IRC | Jan 09 07:35 |
schestowitz__ | soon I will figure out how to restore viera or similar | Jan 09 07:35 |
schestowitz__ | I think it uses ActivityPub | Jan 09 07:35 |
schestowitz__ | I don't know those specs | Jan 09 07:35 |
schestowitz__ | psydroid: going to record re Intel now | Jan 09 07:36 |
Ariadne | schestowitz__: one option might be to operate you own fediverse node. | Jan 09 07:50 |
schestowitz__ | many thoughts come to mind | Jan 09 07:57 |
schestowitz__ | as I thought about this before | Jan 09 07:57 |
schestowitz__ | there is no guarantee all other instances would connect | Jan 09 07:57 |
schestowitz__ | it can become a lot of maintenance for just one account | Jan 09 07:57 |
schestowitz__ | social control media is, in general, waning | Jan 09 07:58 |
schestowitz__ | among other things | Jan 09 07:58 |
schestowitz__ | for now I hope for a miracle from href | Jan 09 07:58 |
schestowitz__ | he said he had recovered some working bankup | Jan 09 07:58 |
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schestowitz__ | then several times that he was working to restore it | Jan 09 07:58 |
schestowitz__ | then radio silence for a week | Jan 09 07:58 |
Ariadne | i honestly grew tired of the fediverse crowd | Jan 09 08:03 |
Ariadne | so much drama | Jan 09 08:03 |
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vZS1 | All this federated nonsense will never last | Jan 09 08:53 |
vZS1 | The answer is P2P, if you want persistence. | Jan 09 08:53 |
vZS1 | And keeping things small | Jan 09 08:53 |
vZS1 | P2P means people who care will help you share the burden of keeping things online. | Jan 09 08:55 |
vZS1 | And it's built to work with arbitrary data | Jan 09 08:55 |
vZS1 | Social media is optimised for advertising not sharing information | Jan 09 08:56 |
schestowitz__ | Blogs are a lot simpler and mroe efficient | Jan 09 08:57 |
schestowitz__ | person X registers domain Y | Jan 09 08:57 |
schestowitz__ | Y is hosted by Z | Jan 09 08:57 |
schestowitz__ | can change host to Z1, Z2.... | Jan 09 08:57 |
schestowitz__ | People then join each other by RSS feeds | Jan 09 08:57 |
schestowitz__ | so Z links to Y, which links to X | Jan 09 08:57 |
vZS1 | Yep | Jan 09 08:57 |
schestowitz__ | and XYZ can change | Jan 09 08:58 |
schestowitz__ | but as long as your RSS lists are the same, you stay connected | Jan 09 08:58 |
schestowitz__ | social control media puts HUGE burden on the edges | Jan 09 08:58 |
schestowitz__ | if each person has his/her own instance | Jan 09 08:58 |
schestowitz__ | it won't scale | Jan 09 08:58 |
schestowitz__ | space, RAM, CPU | Jan 09 08:58 |
schestowitz__ | as you need to syndicate so much, so it then becomes a bandwidth hog as well | Jan 09 08:59 |
schestowitz__ | so let's go back to RSS | Jan 09 08:59 |
schestowitz__ | I never wanted to leave RSS in the first place | Jan 09 08:59 |
vZS1 | We never left RSS | Jan 09 08:59 |
schestowitz__ | but a decade ago there was corporate media hype pushing us awasy from it | Jan 09 08:59 |
schestowitz__ | with help from Google, then Mozilla | Jan 09 08:59 |
schestowitz__ | which decided that RSS is somehow a fad all of a suddent | Jan 09 08:59 |
vZS1 | Don't forget Facebook and Twitter | Jan 09 08:59 |
schestowitz__ | and it stopped promoting and teaching users about RSS | Jan 09 08:59 |
schestowitz__ | then Mozilla hired many FB exectutives | Jan 09 09:00 |
schestowitz__ | and asked us to use FB... with "containers" | Jan 09 09:00 |
schestowitz__ | using FB...., "safely"... a paradox | Jan 09 09:00 |
vZS1 | They're bleeding users. It's the third world, bots, and Ad revenue keeping them alive. | Jan 09 09:02 |
schestowitz__ | Yes, same for shithub | Jan 09 09:03 |
schestowitz__ | I've long argued that | Jan 09 09:03 |
schestowitz__ | no incentive for them to cut off the fakes | Jan 09 09:03 |
schestowitz__ | as it would scare shareholders | Jan 09 09:03 |
schestowitz__ | people with multiple accounts help them game the "charts", too | Jan 09 09:03 |
schestowitz__ | many joijn shithub for the fake idea that they have big share or scale | Jan 09 09:03 |
schestowitz__ | much of that is faked | Jan 09 09:03 |
vZS1 | Twitter is in the deepest shit because they didn't diversify | Jan 09 09:04 |
schestowitz__ | Like Ashley Madison | Jan 09 09:04 |
schestowitz__ | with its fake "women" | Jan 09 09:04 |
schestowitz__ | and bots | Jan 09 09:04 |
vZS1 | At least the other big ones invested in other businesses | Jan 09 09:04 |
vZS1 | Twitter is a toxic share in the stock market rn | Jan 09 09:05 |
schestowitz__ | most companies are | Jan 09 09:07 |
schestowitz__ | some more than others | Jan 09 09:07 |
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schestowitz__ | They should rename Wall "Madoff" | Jan 09 09:07 |
schestowitz__ | because many companies boil down to a money-borrowing ploy | Jan 09 09:07 |
schestowitz__ | propped up by taxpayers | Jan 09 09:08 |
schestowitz__ | or growing national debt that feeds oligarchs and their losing companies | Jan 09 09:08 |
vZS1 | The one that really concerns me is Cloudflare | Jan 09 09:10 |
vZS1 | Because that's not the web but the internet | Jan 09 09:10 |
vZS1 | Which is why I've been trying my best to work with alternatives to DNS | Jan 09 09:11 |
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vZS1 | Cloudflare are nice to their customers now but once they get dominant enough they can abuse that position. | Jan 09 09:12 |
vZS1 | They've not exactly had a spotless record so far | Jan 09 09:13 |
vZS1 | Their stock is also attracting a hefty amount of investors | Jan 09 09:13 |
schestowitz__ | they will get bought by something | Jan 09 09:15 |
schestowitz__ | looking to leverage CF for something | Jan 09 09:15 |
vZS1 | Netflix would gain a lot from acquiring CF. | Jan 09 09:16 |
vZS1 | The CDN is what they're most concerned with anyway | Jan 09 09:16 |
vZS1 | But don't know how sound that is for their balance sheets | Jan 09 09:18 |
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schestowitz__ | just spoke to BT again | Jan 09 09:52 |
schestowitz__ | their manager, Jan, who was supposed to phone me yesterday, did not phone | Jan 09 09:53 |
schestowitz__ | not surprising given her temperament | Jan 09 09:53 |
schestowitz__ | and phone for an advisor to complain about the lack of phoneball means staying on line 20-30 minutes | Jan 09 09:53 |
schestowitz__ | So I phoned this morning, redirected to Dublin (yes, Dublin) and after spending loads of time on the line it got disconnected or he accidentally hung up | Jan 09 09:54 |
schestowitz__ | wait 5 minutes, he did not even call back | Jan 09 09:54 |
schestowitz__ | So I call again, this get a different person (this time in Liverpool) | Jan 09 09:54 |
schestowitz__ | and I managed to get him to tell a manager to phone me back | Jan 09 09:54 |
schestowitz__ | Joys of BT... almost 4 hours on the phone all in all so far | Jan 09 09:55 |
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schestowitz__ | me to viera: I am studying the source code | Jan 09 10:06 |
schestowitz__ | seems unlikely or highly improbable pleroma.site is ever coming back, and viera is sort of coded to depend on that site | Jan 09 10:07 |
schestowitz__ | Ariadne: would it be an easy tweak to make viera pick updates from ActivityStream in some other mastodon site? | Jan 09 10:13 |
schestowitz__ | I can have a go at it, but not sure if it's strictly dependent on pleroma | Jan 09 10:14 |
Ariadne | it can subscribe to any AP server actually. | Jan 09 10:14 |
schestowitz__ | tuxmachines is still at @mastodon.technology/@tuxmachines | Jan 09 10:15 |
schestowitz__ | https://mastodon.technology/@tuxmachines | Jan 09 10:15 |
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schestowitz__ | I am looking at your code right now, really neat and tidy | Jan 09 10:16 |
schestowitz__ | to href; [10:25] <schestowitz__> does no answer mean that pleroma.site has been given up on? Should I just pursue an account somewhere else? Silence isn't helping. If you cannot salvage and site and if it's down permanently, please just tell me so I can move on and find an alternative. | Jan 09 10:25 |
schestowitz__ | One option is, he gives up | Jan 09 10:26 |
schestowitz__ | and then passes the domain to someone else | Jan 09 10:26 |
schestowitz__ | in which code no code changes are needed | Jan 09 10:26 |
schestowitz__ | there's a private key in the code, so I assume it's hard-wired for one particular connection | Jan 09 10:27 |
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schestowitz__ | Phoned BT again, their manager of course 'forgot' to call back | Jan 09 10:53 |
schestowitz__ | You speak to a person, asking why they didn't get back | Jan 09 10:53 |
schestowitz__ | No response, no reason, no help given | Jan 09 10:53 |
schestowitz__ | You ask to be transferred to cancellation, it rings for a while, then the line drops | Jan 09 10:53 |
schestowitz__ | and nobody phones back | Jan 09 10:53 |
schestowitz__ | That's already the fourth time it happens | Jan 09 10:54 |
schestowitz__ | cannot even reach cancellations | Jan 09 10:54 |
schestowitz__ | meanwhile queue on the line grew to 20 minutes | Jan 09 10:55 |
vZS1 | Financial Times did a piece on Assange. The comments seem to overwhelmingly be in favour of Assange. The article itself is more about Assange's lawyer. | Jan 09 11:32 |
vZS1 | https://www.ft.com/content/16b8cfb2-4934-4e88-9686-ff09172e8258 | Jan 09 11:32 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ft.com | Subscribe to read | Financial Times | Jan 09 11:32 | |
schestowitz__ | I cannot access those | Jan 09 11:33 |
schestowitz__ | can it be out on archive.is ? | Jan 09 11:33 |
schestowitz__ | Oligarchs' media must be frustrated that after a decade of shit smears (sometimes LITERALLY shit) the public still supports the guy | Jan 09 11:34 |
vZS1 | It seems like you can access via Google news on mobile | Jan 09 11:34 |
vZS1 | But the website access from a browser is paywalled | Jan 09 11:35 |
schestowitz__ | I am writing a long piece about BT | Jan 09 11:37 |
schestowitz__ | for my personal blog | Jan 09 11:37 |
schestowitz__ | I am furious at them | Jan 09 11:37 |
vZS1 | I added your blog to my RSS feed | Jan 09 11:39 |
schestowitz__ | thank you | Jan 09 11:44 |
schestowitz__ | I used to blog a lot more there before techrights | Jan 09 11:44 |
schestowitz__ | 2006 | Jan 09 11:44 |
schestowitz__ | I am still uploading an Intel video | Jan 09 11:44 |
schestowitz__ | it'll take another 3 hours | Jan 09 11:44 |
schestowitz__ | 5 hours for a 12ish-minute video | Jan 09 11:45 |
schestowitz__ | this is now workable and we cannot make calls except on the landline | Jan 09 11:45 |
schestowitz__ | this is what one pays 40 quid a month for | Jan 09 11:45 |
schestowitz__ | google youtube also downsamples the videos (blurred) and it still occassionally buffering | Jan 09 11:46 |
schestowitz__ | so it's a downstream issue too | Jan 09 11:46 |
schestowitz__ | had we been in a rural area, fine, but we're a mile away from Manc Town Hall | Jan 09 11:46 |
schestowitz__ | 'BT has succumbed to lying and cheating, for it apparently refuses to publicly acknowledge that its network cannot meet the basic capacities required (as per laws and regulations)" | Jan 09 11:48 |
schestowitz__ | I have a feeling the managers may have flagged me by now | Jan 09 11:48 |
schestowitz__ | for asking hard questions | Jan 09 11:48 |
vZS1 | Come March, with the new Ofcom regulations in place, BT will be breaking the law if they don't meet their obligations | Jan 09 11:52 |
vZS1 | I've long said that the internet should be nationalised. An email address as well is essential to people in 2020/2021. | Jan 09 11:54 |
vZS1 | In a crisis like this, commercial ISPs can get away with literally bringing ruin to people | Jan 09 11:54 |
schestowitz__ | I've long mentioned... | Jan 09 11:55 |
schestowitz__ | esp. wrt to EPO | Jan 09 11:55 |
schestowitz__ | how 'corona' became excuse for anything | Jan 09 11:55 |
schestowitz__ | "we don't respect your cash" | Jan 09 11:55 |
schestowitz__ | "we cannot speak to you" | Jan 09 11:55 |
schestowitz__ | "appointment canceled" | Jan 09 11:55 |
schestowitz__ | "no refund for called off flights" | Jan 09 11:56 |
schestowitz__ | "no labour right" | Jan 09 11:56 |
schestowitz__ | " no due process" | Jan 09 11:56 |
schestowitz__ | "no privacy" | Jan 09 11:56 |
schestowitz__ | Assange won't be freed BTW | Jan 09 11:56 |
schestowitz__ | so much for care "for his health" | Jan 09 11:56 |
schestowitz__ | the judge keeps him in prison | Jan 09 11:56 |
schestowitz__ | but "corona" | Jan 09 11:56 |
schestowitz__ | weird times | Jan 09 11:56 |
vZS1 | They can spend £16 million to monitor Assange. But these other problems don't get a fraction of that. | Jan 09 11:56 |
schestowitz__ | they spent a lot more than that | Jan 09 11:57 |
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schestowitz__ | the embassy siege along cost about 50 million | Jan 09 11:57 |
schestowitz__ | police costs | Jan 09 11:57 |
schestowitz__ | til bt was born only 1981 | Jan 09 11:58 |
schestowitz__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Group | Jan 09 11:58 |
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vZS1 | Some countries like Ecuador have public internet access centres | Jan 09 11:59 |
schestowitz__ | they're hardly better off | Jan 09 11:59 |
vZS1 | But that doesn't work during a pandemic | Jan 09 11:59 |
schestowitz__ | many lots of people have no connections at home | Jan 09 11:59 |
vZS1 | I know | Jan 09 11:59 |
schestowitz__ | we can all agree BT is vastly better than in LaTam | Jan 09 11:59 |
schestowitz__ | my next post will focus on customer 'care' aspects | Jan 09 11:59 |
schestowitz__ | they really mishandle it | Jan 09 12:00 |
vZS1 | Public internet is now as essential as public health | Jan 09 12:00 |
schestowitz__ | I think it's a congestion issue | Jan 09 12:00 |
schestowitz__ | so I can almost sympathise, but they treat customers poorly | Jan 09 12:00 |
schestowitz__ | they could instead apologise and say there's hope it'll improve over time | Jan 09 12:00 |
schestowitz__ | evasiveness might work on less IT-savvy callers | Jan 09 12:01 |
vZS1 | Good luck getting any of the ISPs admitting to having a problem | Jan 09 12:01 |
vZS1 | The best you'll get is "scheduled maintenance" | Jan 09 12:01 |
vZS1 | Also, £40/month for copper wire is ridiculous | Jan 09 12:02 |
schestowitz__ | line rental alone is 22 quid | Jan 09 12:02 |
vZS1 | You get much better for two thirds of that | Jan 09 12:02 |
schestowitz__ | if you pay upfront for a year, month free | Jan 09 12:02 |
schestowitz__ | you need to pay line rental for "broad"brand | Jan 09 12:03 |
vZS1 | Not if you use fibre | Jan 09 12:03 |
schestowitz__ | it's a fee-easing trick | Jan 09 12:03 |
vZS1 | That's only for copper wire | Jan 09 12:03 |
schestowitz__ | afaik, no fibre here ye | Jan 09 12:03 |
schestowitz__ | *yet | Jan 09 12:03 |
schestowitz__ | I guess that would introduce a different issue: | Jan 09 12:04 |
schestowitz__ | no landline | Jan 09 12:04 |
schestowitz__ | which we need, we don't do 'smart' phones | Jan 09 12:05 |
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vZS1 | All landlines are shared between the companies anyway | Jan 09 12:07 |
vZS1 | It's not like each company digs up the road for their own cables | Jan 09 12:07 |
schestowitz__ | yes, I know | Jan 09 12:07 |
schestowitz__ | I mention this in my draft | Jan 09 12:07 |
vZS1 | Yeah | Jan 09 12:08 |
schestowitz__ | tbh, I don't carefully proofread for my blog | Jan 09 12:08 |
vZS1 | I saw the blog post too | Jan 09 12:08 |
schestowitz__ | as its readership is lower than TR's | Jan 09 12:08 |
vZS1 | It mentions it | Jan 09 12:08 |
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vZS1 | Back to the Financial Times post for a sec | Jan 09 12:10 |
vZS1 | Many people in the comments defended Assange. Most did | Jan 09 12:11 |
vZS1 | Several people pointed out entire lists of things the FT piece left out | Jan 09 12:12 |
vZS1 | There were a lot along the lines of "war crimes you can get away with but not free journalism" | Jan 09 12:12 |
vZS1 | A few pointed out that the Swedish charges magically disappeared after the US extradition request | Jan 09 12:13 |
vZS1 | I think they misjudged how their readership would react to the piece | Jan 09 12:14 |
vZS1 | Tremendously backfired on them, it seems. | Jan 09 12:14 |
vZS1 | One person even mentioned (this was one item in their list) how Wikileaks found out that "smart" TVs by the big names like LG and Sony were planning to use the built-in microphones to record and transmit without the customer knowing. So the manufacturers are basically in with the spying agencies to expand the surveillance machine | Jan 09 12:17 |
vZS1 | The one I was most satisfied to see is when several readers pointed out that the media is involved in character assassination of Assange instead of covering what's actually in Wikileaks | Jan 09 12:19 |
schestowitz__ | <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Group" title="BT Group">BT</a> has succumbed to <b>lying and cheating</b>, for it apparently refuses to publicly acknowledge that its network cannot meet the basic capacities required (as per <b>laws and regulations</b>, even <strong>contractually</strong> w.r.t. clients)</em> | Jan 09 12:20 |
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schestowitz__ | <p><img title="B" src="/IMG/Caps/b.png" alt="B" hspace="0" vspace="4" align="left" border="0"/>T, or British Telecom, is probably the company I dislike the most. But at the same time they're as a de facto monopoly here, merely disguised as having 'opened up' (a sort of openwashing, including 'open'reach). I spent nearly a decade writing about BT, as they <a href="http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2014/01/18/bt-three-lies-in- | Jan 09 12:20 |
schestowitz__ | three-weeks/" title="BT: Three Lies in Three Weeks">kept lying to me</a>, they have lied to me <a href="http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/01/06/coronavirus-bt/" title="Coronavirus May Have Caused a Nationwide or Regional Congestion Crisis for BT">a great deal this past week</a>, and getting a connection from them <a href="http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2011/03/25/avoid-bt/" title="BT is Rubbish">was exceptionally | Jan 09 12:20 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » BT: Three Lies in Three Weeks | Jan 09 12:20 | |
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schestowitz__ | painful to begin with</a>. The worst experience I ever had with them was in 2015 [<a href="http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2015/04/30/bt-complaints-again/" title="BT Complaints Again (Updatedx14)">1</a>, <a href="http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2015/05/16/faulty-bt-network/" title="BT Takes Two Months to Bother Fixing Faulty BT Network for Entire Neighbourhood (Updatedx20)">2</a>, <a href="http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/ | Jan 09 12:20 |
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schestowitz__ | archives/2015/06/23/bt-rein/" title="BT Update: Precision Test Officer to be Sent Out After 3 Months (Updatedx9)">3</a>, <a href="http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2015/07/22/openreach-lines-monopoly/" title="Moving the Whole Neighbourhood Away From BT and BT Openreach Lines (Updated)">4</a>]. I must have lost like 50 working hours due to the issues back then. Even in prior years I had serious issues [<a href="http://schestowitz | Jan 09 12:20 |
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schestowitz__ | com/Weblog/archives/2014/01/09/bt-forget-to-call-back-again/" title="BT Can’t Call Back, They ‘Forget’">1</a>, <a href="http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2013/05/12/2013-bt-saga/" title="BT Support: Too Hard to Return a Call">2</a>] and the only thing I can say to their credit is that over the past half a decade it was rarely a bumpy ride... until 5 days ago.</p> | Jan 09 12:20 |
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schestowitz__ | So, why am I still with BT? I wrote about that 10 years ago [<a href="http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2011/03/23/choosing-isp-in-the-uk/" title="My BT Nightmare (and How to Choose an ISP in the UK)">1</a>, <a href="http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2011/03/25/bt-customer-part-3/" title="What It’s Like to be a BT Customer">2</a>]. Basically, since they own and control the entire underlying network (utility providers don' | Jan 09 12:20 |
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schestowitz | sorry, wrong box pasted in | Jan 09 12:21 |
schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/01/09/bt-is-down/ | Jan 09 12:21 |
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schestowitz | this is the correct one, typos likelty | Jan 09 12:21 |
schestowitz | I am exhausted by this | Jan 09 12:21 |
schestowitz | taking a break from pursuing it for now | Jan 09 12:21 |
schestowitz | vZS1: re Assange, yes, but many fell for the smearing | Jan 09 12:23 |
schestowitz | as you can see in yesterday's IRC logs | Jan 09 12:23 |
schestowitz | some even become willing participants in the smearing | Jan 09 12:23 |
vZS1 | I have an ignore list for a reason | Jan 09 12:24 |
schestowitz | bonus: the latter types sometimes work for companies that commit or profit from the war crimes | Jan 09 12:24 |
schestowitz | and they call themselves "social justice warriors" | Jan 09 12:24 |
vZS1 | I'd like to focus on the positives | Jan 09 12:24 |
schestowitz | experience suggest that those who called >themselves< that mostly attempt to distract from real issues like millions of bombed Arabs to some BS 'causes' of so-called 'snowflakes' | Jan 09 12:24 |
schestowitz | bcause they'd rather talk of corporate "Responsibility" or "Diversity" or whatnot as if those are the worst's most uregnt issue | Jan 09 12:25 |
schestowitz | and don't forget the "Racist" statues | Jan 09 12:25 |
schestowitz | very, very urgent... more than stopping the bombs | Jan 09 12:25 |
vZS1 | Many FT readers also pointed out how the judge used medical grounds to chicken out of supporting Assange. The judge agreed with the extradition request's arguments | Jan 09 12:25 |
schestowitz | yeah, that too | Jan 09 12:26 |
schestowitz | but it could be worse | Jan 09 12:26 |
vZS1 | I'm sorting out some paperwork atm | Jan 09 12:26 |
vZS1 | But I should be done soon | Jan 09 12:26 |
schestowitz | there were worse potential outcomes | Jan 09 12:26 |
schestowitz | I think Assange's legal team chose this strategy and a fallback and only this fallback worked | Jan 09 12:26 |
vZS1 | I'll send you screenshots of the FT post and comments | Jan 09 12:26 |
schestowitz | cheers | Jan 09 12:26 |
schestowitz | maybe another video to do? TBH, it would be too repetitive to be worth it | Jan 09 12:27 |
schestowitz | news is slow today though, I wasted 3 hours on the phone | Jan 09 12:27 |
vZS1 | I'll also do that IPNS how-to for TR today. | Jan 09 12:27 |
schestowitz | I asked Techrights-sec if we should do something about the censorship campaigns | Jan 09 12:28 |
schestowitz | the whole mozilla, trump etc. | Jan 09 12:28 |
schestowitz | but it's too politically-charged and tribalism would spoil the substance of the debate/constitution | Jan 09 12:28 |
vZS1 | Worth covering. Freedom of speech means the same for us as for Cheeto Hitler | Jan 09 12:28 |
vZS1 | You don't need to take sides when writing about censorship. | Jan 09 12:32 |
schestowitz | " Cheeto Hitler" became a thing | Jan 09 12:33 |
schestowitz | it came from MinceR | Jan 09 12:33 |
schestowitz | quote sent to me by email this morning | Jan 09 12:34 |
schestowitz | = | Jan 09 12:34 |
schestowitz | https://boingboing.net/2021/01/08/trump-suspended-from-twitter.html | Jan 09 12:34 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boingboing.net | Twitter bans Trump permanently | Boing Boing | Jan 09 12:34 | |
schestowitz | # the process of removing the cheeto nazi for his illegal acts, | Jan 09 12:34 |
schestowitz | # is being used to usher in acceptance of heavy censorship | Jan 09 12:34 |
schestowitz | # see also Apple's requirement for a "moderation system" in | Jan 09 12:34 |
schestowitz | # its app store | Jan 09 12:34 |
schestowitz | "cheeto nazi" | Jan 09 12:34 |
schestowitz | lol | Jan 09 12:34 |
schestowitz | that person reads our IRC logs | Jan 09 12:35 |
vZS1 | Mobs on social media will usher in acceptance of heavy censorship. This is very true | Jan 09 12:35 |
vZS1 | People are celebrating the social media bans when they should be abhorred by them | Jan 09 12:36 |
schestowitz | there are other optiobs | Jan 09 12:37 |
schestowitz | I think social control media is toxic by design | Jan 09 12:37 |
schestowitz | I once watched a video that put it nicely | Jan 09 12:37 |
vZS1 | Until it becomes acceptable and becomes legislation | Jan 09 12:37 |
schestowitz | the problem is what unlike a forum such as this (IRC., newsgroups), | Jan 09 12:37 |
schestowitz | you put together in one platform many opposed groups | Jan 09 12:37 |
schestowitz | that would not otherwise blend in | Jan 09 12:37 |
schestowitz | like a party of the KKK in the same room with BLM | Jan 09 12:37 |
schestowitz | that increases hostilities and at the same time creates factions | Jan 09 12:38 |
schestowitz | in the same platforms | Jan 09 12:38 |
schestowitz | contrariwise | Jan 09 12:38 |
vZS1 | Don't forget they profit off every type of interaction | Jan 09 12:38 |
schestowitz | in street protests | Jan 09 12:38 |
vZS1 | Their goal is to maximise interaction | Jan 09 12:38 |
schestowitz | you have police on horses or with shields to separate the factios | Jan 09 12:38 |
schestowitz | that's lacking in social control media | Jan 09 12:38 |
schestowitz | not "interaction" :) | Jan 09 12:39 |
schestowitz | they call it "ENGAGEMENT" | Jan 09 12:39 |
schestowitz | like, customer engagement | Jan 09 12:39 |
schestowitz | this week I learned several times BT does not have 'cancellations" | Jan 09 12:40 |
schestowitz | or "customer support" | Jan 09 12:40 |
schestowitz | or "customer retention" | Jan 09 12:40 |
schestowitz | they call it "loyalty" | Jan 09 12:40 |
schestowitz | a positive-sounding BS | Jan 09 12:40 |
vZS1 | Indeed. Many people pay more attention to social control media than their own spouse. | Jan 09 12:40 |
schestowitz | so pissed off customers ------------> LOYaLTY | Jan 09 12:40 |
vZS1 | So they are practically engaged to their accounts | Jan 09 12:40 |
schestowitz | "Mark was so pissed off that he phoned up LOYALTY" | Jan 09 12:40 |
schestowitz | I'm not done with BT | Jan 09 12:41 |
schestowitz | but for my composure I take a break from it | Jan 09 12:41 |
schestowitz | I don't want to do article/video about the Trump ban | Jan 09 12:41 |
schestowitz | it's way too politically-loaded and binary | Jan 09 12:41 |
schestowitz | I need a little break tbh | Jan 09 12:41 |
schestowitz | to think what matters most to free software | Jan 09 12:42 |
vZS1 | Take a break then | Jan 09 12:42 |
schestowitz | I was going to do some coding on viera, it's that bot you saw here syndicating linux news | Jan 09 12:42 |
schestowitz | it's written in python | Jan 09 12:42 |
vZS1 | Yeah. Tinker with that relax a bit | Jan 09 12:42 |
schestowitz | pleroma.site looks like a goner, which is a shame because Ariadne spent ages building it from the ground up and then babysitting it for a long time while taking endless abuse from literally neonazis | Jan 09 12:43 |
schestowitz | if I cannot cope with that code, I'll write my own | Jan 09 12:43 |
schestowitz | Ariadne is a reallt awesome dev, really clean code | Jan 09 12:44 |
schestowitz | elegant, but python isn't my choice of lang and it has lots of APIs I don't know like the fediverse ones | Jan 09 12:44 |
schestowitz | over the past 12 years we had at least 4 bots to syndicate members' statusnet and twitter accounts | Jan 09 12:45 |
schestowitz | the APIs keep changing, breaking, sites go offline | Jan 09 12:45 |
schestowitz | welcome to the www | Jan 09 12:45 |
schestowitz | where median age of info before going offline is maybe 5 years | Jan 09 12:46 |
schestowitz | shelf life of a little reptile | Jan 09 12:46 |
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schestowitz | Ariadne: is there an easy way to turn viera into a command line prompt that takes a line and feeds it into the IRC bots instead of via AP? I am trying to accomplish that by studying the classes and objects... | Jan 09 13:10 |
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vZS1 | Python is worth tolerating. You'll find it everywhere. It's pragmatic to stay familiar with it. | Jan 09 13:12 |
Ariadne | there’s better software for that | Jan 09 13:13 |
schestowitz | irc clients? | Jan 09 13:14 |
schestowitz | ncurses? | Jan 09 13:14 |
Ariadne | i wrote viera to reflect AP into IRC messages | Jan 09 13:14 |
schestowitz | I see some IRC code you wrote in 2014 | Jan 09 13:14 |
Ariadne | i think suckless makes an irc client you can cat to | Jan 09 13:14 |
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schestowitz | to comply with RFCs i am not familiar with | Jan 09 13:15 |
schestowitz | with viera it can reach multiple channels in one fell swoops | Jan 09 13:15 |
schestowitz | for tuxmachines, which is in 3 channels | Jan 09 13:15 |
schestowitz | channels: | Jan 09 13:16 |
schestowitz | - '#litepub' | Jan 09 13:16 |
schestowitz | - '#litepub-test' | Jan 09 13:16 |
schestowitz | - '#techrights' | Jan 09 13:16 |
schestowitz | - '#boycottnovell-social' | Jan 09 13:16 |
schestowitz | - '#tuxmachines' | Jan 09 13:16 |
schestowitz | alternatively I suppose I could just direct all my own (not just TM) posts here, but some are political and not technical | Jan 09 13:17 |
schestowitz | https://tools.suckless.org/ii/ | Jan 09 13:18 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tools.suckless.org | tools | suckless.org software that sucks less | Jan 09 13:18 | |
Ariadne | anyway viera is designed to operate as fediverse node and reflect subscriptions to different channels | Jan 09 13:19 |
schestowitz | just compiled ii | Jan 09 13:20 |
schestowitz | will test it | Jan 09 13:20 |
vZS1_2 | Can't access the FT article on Assange anymore. | Jan 09 13:21 |
vZS1_2 | Asking me to subscribe now. Probably had a timer on it. | Jan 09 13:21 |
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vZS1_2 | schestowitz: I sent the IPNS howto by email. | Jan 09 13:47 |
schestowitz | thanks, I will check emails later today | Jan 09 13:47 |
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ii-techrights-bo | this is a test | Jan 09 13:49 |
schestowitz | ok, nice | Jan 09 13:49 |
schestowitz | so basically it is all filesystem based | Jan 09 13:49 |
schestowitz | I wrote my "tweets" or whatnot to a file | Jan 09 13:49 |
schestowitz | and then the bot picks it up | Jan 09 13:49 |
schestowitz | installing to /bin | Jan 09 13:49 |
vZS1_2 | >so basically it is all filesystem based | Jan 09 13:51 |
schestowitz | I think I can how to split by topic/scope | Jan 09 13:51 |
vZS1_2 | As it should be | Jan 09 13:51 |
schestowitz | yes, I just write to disk | Jan 09 13:52 |
vZS1_2 | Everything should be a file | Jan 09 13:52 |
vZS1_2 | It's transparent and elegant | Jan 09 13:52 |
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schestowitz | Wish I had known earlier that pleroma.site is not coming back | Jan 09 13:54 |
schestowitz | I'd have done this within days | Jan 09 13:54 |
schestowitz | made wrong assumptions about resumptions | Jan 09 13:54 |
vZS1_2 | I always assume anything I use can disappear in 5 minutes. | Jan 09 13:56 |
vZS1_2 | Particularly APIs. Those can vanish in 5ms | Jan 09 13:57 |
ii-techrights-bo | IRC=$(xclip -o) echo $IRC > ~/Desktop/Text_Workspace/images/ii-1.8/techrights2/irc.freenode.net/#techrights/in | Jan 09 13:58 |
schestowitz | this was intentional | Jan 09 13:59 |
schestowitz | and it worked | Jan 09 13:59 |
schestowitz | it pasted the code that ran it | Jan 09 13:59 |
schestowitz | takes it from the clipboard | Jan 09 13:59 |
schestowitz | now let's try a real thing | Jan 09 13:59 |
ii-techrights-bo | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams ☞ As Pro-Trump Mob Boasts About Roles in Deadly Capitol Invasion, Indigenous Water Protecters Charged for Peaceful Keystone XL Protests https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/01/08/pro-trump-mob-boasts-about-roles-deadly-capitol-invasion-indigenous-water-protecters | Jan 09 14:00 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | As Pro-Trump Mob Boasts About Roles in Deadly Capitol Invasion, Indigenous Water Protecters Charged for Peaceful Keystone XL Protests | Common Dreams News | Jan 09 14:00 | |
schestowitz | yay | Jan 09 14:00 |
schestowitz | I'll need to split that apart from linux things | Jan 09 14:00 |
schestowitz | some bash conditional statements based on mouse position | Jan 09 14:01 |
ii-techrights-bo | Working with ii of suckless. What a wonderful yet small utility. #suckless | Jan 09 14:05 |
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techrights-bot | First Look at #KDE Plasma’s New Kickoff Applications Menu • ᵀᵘˣ ᴹᵃᶜʰⁱⁿᵉˢ ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146294 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jan 09 14:30 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First Look at KDE Plasma’s New Kickoff Applications Menu | Tux Machines | Jan 09 14:30 | |
vZS1_2 | I'm tweaking the settings of my IPFS nodes. They seem to crash if you've got over 900 peers connected at a time. | Jan 09 14:31 |
vZS1_2 | I capped the max peers at 200 | Jan 09 14:31 |
techrights-bot | #KDE Frameworks 5.78 Brings Support for the #AV1 Image Format to All KDE Apps, More • ᵀᵘˣ ᴹᵃᶜʰⁱⁿᵉˢ ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146295 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jan 09 14:32 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Frameworks 5.78 Brings Support for the AV1 Image Format to All KDE Apps, More | Tux Machines | Jan 09 14:32 | |
schestowitz | I hope the bot isn't too annoying | Jan 09 14:32 |
vZS1_2 | Doesn't bother me. | Jan 09 14:32 |
schestowitz | those will always be 1) technical | Jan 09 14:33 |
schestowitz | and 2) new/news | Jan 09 14:33 |
schestowitz | this is also very extensible | Jan 09 14:34 |
schestowitz | you can send output to the files to reflect stuff like channel/site status or anything breaking news | Jan 09 14:35 |
schestowitz | provided it's in i/o | Jan 09 14:35 |
schestowitz | so in theory alerts, breaking processes etc. | Jan 09 14:35 |
schestowitz | but must be of general interest to all, obviously | Jan 09 14:35 |
vZS1_2 | That's because it's a sane CLI tool | Jan 09 14:36 |
vZS1_2 | Not some bloated crapware | Jan 09 14:36 |
schestowitz | I also have viera hv access | Jan 09 14:36 |
schestowitz | I had to restart that container, as Ariadne suggested | Jan 09 14:36 |
schestowitz | Very nice code there, but I think the dependence on AP means that for now it's unable to do very much. For now.. | Jan 09 14:37 |
vZS1_2 | I've not heard of suckless before | Jan 09 14:37 |
schestowitz | vZS1_2: wow | Jan 09 14:37 |
schestowitz | I thought it was well known | Jan 09 14:37 |
schestowitz | very extensive toolset | Jan 09 14:37 |
vZS1_2 | Looks pretty neat. | Jan 09 14:38 |
schestowitz | the ii program is tiny | Jan 09 14:38 |
schestowitz | very unity | Jan 09 14:38 |
schestowitz | unixy | Jan 09 14:38 |
schestowitz | it's all pipes and files | Jan 09 14:38 |
schestowitz | ii -s irc.freenode.net -i techrights2 -n techrights-bot | Jan 09 14:38 |
schestowitz | echo '/j #techrights' > ~/Desktop/Text_Workspace/images/ii-1.8/techrights2/irc.freenode.net/in | Jan 09 14:39 |
schestowitz | to join channel | Jan 09 14:39 |
schestowitz | and... | Jan 09 14:39 |
schestowitz | to post: | Jan 09 14:39 |
schestowitz | IRC=$(xclip -o) | Jan 09 14:39 |
schestowitz | echo $IRC > ~/Desktop/Text_Workspace/images/ii-1.8/techrights2/irc.freenode.net/#techrights/in | Jan 09 14:39 |
schestowitz | there's a MAKEFILE in the gzip | Jan 09 14:39 |
schestowitz | and it works without dependency hells | Jan 09 14:39 |
schestowitz | I can post the lines to IRC with my 5th mouse button | Jan 09 14:40 |
schestowitz | some go to 3 channels at once | Jan 09 14:40 |
schestowitz | using xbindkeys and more | Jan 09 14:40 |
vZS1_2 | That's how programs should be written | Jan 09 14:47 |
schestowitz | finishing the Intel post | Jan 09 14:50 |
schestowitz | hey, maybe I can do an irc bot cron job for ipfs | Jan 09 14:50 |
schestowitz | but I need to think how to present it | Jan 09 14:50 |
schestowitz | one option is, as soon as logs for IRC get generated the URL shows up here | Jan 09 14:50 |
schestowitz | another is, ipfs will spew out new CIDs as soon as they're added (for people to pin) | Jan 09 14:51 |
schestowitz | maybe this evening i'll look into it | Jan 09 14:51 |
techrights-bot | #InteLeaks – Part IX: #Vapourware at #Intel and Assessments With Conflict of Interest • ᴛᴇᴄʜʀɪɢʜᴛꜱ ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/01/09/vaporware-at-intel/ •●• #GNU #Linux | Jan 09 14:57 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | InteLeaks – Part IX: Vapourware at Intel and Assessments With Conflict of Interest | Techrights | Jan 09 14:57 | |
vZS1_2 | My IPFS node crashed twice in the last two days. Something about too many files being open. I suspect it's something to do with too many simultaneous peers. | Jan 09 15:00 |
schestowitz | every day @2:40 a cron job on my pc runs the irc logs generation scripts | Jan 09 15:01 |
schestowitz | auto-piloted, been working well for nearly a week | Jan 09 15:01 |
schestowitz | I'll see if I can make it advertise them here by writing to the irc file | Jan 09 15:02 |
vZS1_2 | I haven't got any system in place to recover a crashed IPFS daemon, yet. I'll probably do that some time soon. | Jan 09 15:02 |
vZS1_2 | I'll probably hack together some sort of monitoring GUI later. | Jan 09 15:06 |
vZS1_2 | gnuplot, perhaps. | Jan 09 15:07 |
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schestowitz | OK, those are automated now, in the nightly | Jan 09 15:21 |
schestowitz | now let's do ipfs links | Jan 09 15:21 |
schestowitz | or bulletin | Jan 09 15:21 |
MinceR | (cat) https://i.imgur.com/WlEFVjY.mp4 | Jan 09 15:26 |
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techrights-bot | *** 𝐁𝐔𝐋𝐋𝐄𝐓𝐈𝐍 *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-01-08.txt | Jan 09 15:30 |
schestowitz | this was done from a script that does the bulletins | Jan 09 15:34 |
schestowitz | so it's in the cycle now | Jan 09 15:34 |
techrights-bot | This tweet is worth it only for the comments. #mozilla isn't a technical entity anymore. https://twitter.com/mozilla/status/1347633954497548289 | Jan 09 15:46 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mozilla: This week we saw the culmination of a four-year disinformation campaign orchestrated by the President. We have to a… https://t.co/jLmttSH6X8 | Jan 09 15:46 | |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mozilla: This week we saw the culmination of a four-year disinformation campaign orchestrated by the President. We have to a… https://t.co/jLmttSH6X8 | Jan 09 15:46 | |
techrights-bot | https://twitter.com/ericajoy/status/1344654006245703681 | Jan 09 15:47 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@EricaJoy: 2021 ally challenge: if a product, service, or company is built by either all men or all white people, you don’t u… https://t.co/L2MGNfeHul | Jan 09 15:47 | |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@EricaJoy: 2021 ally challenge: if a product, service, or company is built by either all men or all white people, you don’t u… https://t.co/L2MGNfeHul | Jan 09 15:47 | |
techrights-bot | Conflating #trumpism with something else to paint those who oppose #socialcontrolmedia #censorship as radical or make them seem like "Trump supporters" and bigots https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ | Jan 09 15:49 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | We need more than deplatforming - The Mozilla Blog | Jan 09 15:49 | |
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techrights-bot | You Can Now Upgrade from #LinuxMint 20 to Linux Mint 20.1, Here’s How • ᵀᵘˣ ᴹᵃᶜʰⁱⁿᵉˢ ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146296 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/09/#latest | Jan 09 16:19 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | You Can Now Upgrade from Linux Mint 20 to Linux Mint 20.1, Here's How | Tux Machines | Jan 09 16:19 | |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jan 09 16:19 | |
techrights-bot | Another example of the sorts of things that are happening inside #Intel and almost nobody (from the outside) knows about http://techrights.org/2021/01/09/vaporware-at-intel/ | Jan 09 16:20 |
techrights-bot | "In particular, it reasoned that, where the elements of similarity between two signs result from a common weak distinctive component (‘ATHLON’ in this case), the impact of those elements on the global assessment of the likelihood of confusion is in itself low." http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/01/athlon-custom-sportswear-found-not.html | Jan 09 16:22 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | 'ATHLON CUSTOM SPORTSWEAR’ found not confusingly similar to ‘DECATHLON’ - The IPKat | Jan 09 16:22 | |
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MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://i.imgur.com/Qrns71s.mp4 | Jan 09 17:30 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: These turnstiles look like they're made to make it easy to jump over them. | Jan 09 17:34 |
MinceR | :) | Jan 09 17:34 |
XRevan86 | https://ss.metronews.ru/userfiles/materials/156/1567809/858x540.jpg | Jan 09 17:36 |
XRevan86 | https://themoscowtimes.com/2017/11/16/a59590 found out only now about this :D | Jan 09 17:43 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.themoscowtimes.com | Russian Sculptor Wants to Gift Putin-Bear Statue to the President | Jan 09 17:43 | |
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MinceR | it's hideous | Jan 09 17:46 |
MinceR | fits POO IN A TIN well | Jan 09 17:46 |
XRevan86 | A guy in Astrakhañ got a business subsidy and invested it all into making a scrupture of a Bear-Gryphon-Putin thing with a fish in its claws. | Jan 09 17:48 |
XRevan86 | Possibly not a Gryphon but an angel or something, hard to tell. | Jan 09 17:49 |
MinceR | he should have done this instead >> (audio) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLMTMK-mp7w | Jan 09 17:49 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Putin on the Ritz - YouTube | Jan 09 17:49 | |
CrystalMath | lol | Jan 09 17:50 |
CrystalMath | that title is pretty funny | Jan 09 17:50 |
XRevan86 | The fish is a sturgeon however, that is known. | Jan 09 17:50 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: This is beautiful | Jan 09 17:52 |
MinceR | :) | Jan 09 17:52 |
XRevan86 | https://mirror.co.uk/incoming/article11540584.ece/alternates/s615b/putin-statue.jpg | Jan 09 17:53 |
CrystalMath | "the eagle that the bear is stepping on symbolizes Russia’s enemies, he added" | Jan 09 17:55 |
CrystalMath | gee, i wonder which one | Jan 09 17:55 |
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XRevan86 | 49 times we fought that beast. Your old man and me. It had angel wings with bear claws; with a Putin's face too. And it was waiting in the bushes for us… | Jan 09 17:56 |
CrystalMath | if only it was clear which country uses an eagle for its symbol | Jan 09 17:56 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Russia does :D | Jan 09 17:56 |
MinceR | many countries do | Jan 09 17:56 |
MinceR | but yeah, russia is the country putin has done the most harm to | Jan 09 17:56 |
CrystalMath | not really | Jan 09 17:57 |
CrystalMath | he's way better than Yeltsin | Jan 09 17:57 |
MinceR | looks like this "sculptor" has never seen a bear, not even in pictures | Jan 09 17:57 |
CrystalMath | i wouldn't think anything of this statue thing | Jan 09 17:57 |
CrystalMath | it says the same guy made them before and nobody cared | Jan 09 17:57 |
CrystalMath | they're all in his personal gallery | Jan 09 17:58 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: At least Yeltsin was brief. | Jan 09 17:58 |
MinceR | i don't see how yeltsin comes into a comparison between the damage putin did to various countries | Jan 09 17:58 |
MinceR | he's neither putin nor a country, as far as i know | Jan 09 17:59 |
XRevan86 | Putin can also be considered one of the Yeltsin's sins. | Jan 09 17:59 |
XRevan86 | the last contribution | Jan 09 17:59 |
MinceR | https://www.quora.com/How-many-countries-have-a-national-flag-with-an-eagle?share=1 | Jan 09 18:00 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How many countries have a national flag with an eagle? - Quora | Jan 09 18:00 | |
MinceR | Poland has an eagle in its crest as well | Jan 09 18:00 |
MinceR | or coat of arms, or whatever | Jan 09 18:01 |
MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_(heraldry)#Modern_usage | Jan 09 18:01 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Eagle (heraldry) - Wikipedia | Jan 09 18:01 | |
CrystalMath | and the roman (byzantine) empire, during the Palaiologos era | Jan 09 18:01 |
CrystalMath | that eagle was copy pasted to every country of the balkans | Jan 09 18:02 |
XRevan86 | Well, pretty much everyone took it from the Romans. | Jan 09 18:02 |
MinceR | what have the romans ever done for us? | Jan 09 18:03 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: It's also important to remember that the political elite from the Yeltsin era didn't magically disappear. | Jan 09 18:03 |
MinceR | for example, there was a certain director of the FSB... | Jan 09 18:04 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: I think the most bright example is Anatoly Chubais, whom everyone hated in the 90s but who is a big figure in the Putin's apparatus. | Jan 09 18:05 |
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XRevan86 | The infamy is so big that even putinists use Chubais as an example of 90s villainy. | Jan 09 18:09 |
XRevan86 | Just another example of double-think. | Jan 09 18:09 |
MinceR | :> | Jan 09 18:12 |
MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-v6kyEDCNo | Jan 09 18:56 |
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schestowitz | [17:53] <XRevan86> https://mirror.co.uk/incoming/article11540584.ece/alternates/s615b/putin-statue.jpg | Jan 09 19:05 |
schestowitz | [17:55] <CrystalMath> "the eagle that the bear is stepping on symbolizes Russia’s enemies, he added" | Jan 09 19:05 |
schestowitz | Bear stepping on Putin?! | Jan 09 19:05 |
XRevan86 | The Bear *is* Putin | Jan 09 19:06 |
XRevan86 | ah | Jan 09 19:06 |
schestowitz | but.. | Jan 09 19:06 |
XRevan86 | just got the idea %) | Jan 09 19:06 |
schestowitz | " symbolizes Russia’s enemies" | Jan 09 19:06 |
XRevan86 | schestowitz: got it, got it | Jan 09 19:06 |
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techrights-bot | #PeaZip 7.7.0 • ᵀᵘˣ ᴹᵃᶜʰⁱⁿᵉˢ ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146297 •●• #deletegithub | Jan 09 19:21 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PeaZip 7.7.0 | Tux Machines | Jan 09 19:21 | |
techrights-bot | #Purism and #Linux 5.8 • ᵀᵘˣ ᴹᵃᶜʰⁱⁿᵉˢ ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146298 •●• #GNU #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/09/#latest | Jan 09 19:23 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Purism and Linux 5.8 | Tux Machines | Jan 09 19:23 | |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jan 09 19:23 | |
techrights-bot | #KDE Frameworks 5.78.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146295#comment-27732 #gnu #linux | Jan 09 19:25 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Frameworks 5.78 Brings Support for the AV1 Image Format to All KDE Apps, More | Tux Machines | Jan 09 19:25 | |
techrights-bot | #LinuxMint 20.1 “Ulyssa” Officially Released [How to Upgrade] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146269#comment-27733 #gnu #linux | Jan 09 19:26 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 20.1 “Ulyssa” Cinnamon released! | Tux Machines | Jan 09 19:26 | |
techrights-bot | Stable Kernels: 5.10.6, 5.4.88, 4.19.166, 4.14.214, 4.9.250 , and 4.4.250 • ᵀᵘˣ ᴹᵃᶜʰⁱⁿᵉˢ ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146300 •●• #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/09/#latest | Jan 09 19:27 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stable Kernels: 5.10.6, 5.4.88, 4.19.166, 4.14.214, 4.9.250 , and 4.4.250 | Tux Machines | Jan 09 19:27 | |
techrights-bot | 7 Essential Tools to #Search the Filesystem • ᵀᵘˣ ᴹᵃᶜʰⁱⁿᵉˢ ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146299 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/09/#latest | Jan 09 19:30 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7 Essential Tools to Search the Filesystem | Tux Machines | Jan 09 19:30 | |
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techrights-bot | 7 Best #Ubuntu live USB creators to Download & Use • ᵀᵘˣ ᴹᵃᶜʰⁱⁿᵉˢ ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146301 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/09/#latest | Jan 09 19:37 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7 Best Ubuntu live USB creators to Download & Use | Tux Machines | Jan 09 19:37 | |
techrights-bot | #ECS LIVA Q1A Arm mini PC runs Linux or Android on #Rockchip RK3288 or RK3399 SoC ⇨ https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/01/09/ecs-liva-q1a-arm-mini-pc-runs-linux-or-android-on-rockchip-rk3288-or-rk3399-soc/ •●• #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware | Jan 09 19:42 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | ECS LIVA Q1A Arm mini PC runs Linux or Android on Rockchip RK3288 or RK3399 SoC | Jan 09 19:42 | |
techrights-bot | WHAT stopped in 1996? Software innovation, or priorities? https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/01/what-stopped-in-1996-software-innovation-or-priorities/ #programming | Jan 09 19:45 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | WHAT stopped in 1996? Software innovation, or priorities? | Stop at Zona-M | Jan 09 19:45 | |
techrights-bot | #HowTo build a Linux-powered smart home • ᵀᵘˣ ᴹᵃᶜʰⁱⁿᵉˢ ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146303 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jan 09 19:50 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to build a Linux-powered smart home | Tux Machines | Jan 09 19:50 | |
techrights-bot | #Android Leftovers • ᵀᵘˣ ᴹᵃᶜʰⁱⁿᵉˢ ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146302 •●• #Google #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/09/#latest | Jan 09 19:51 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jan 09 19:51 | |
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techrights-bot | Wine 6.0 Release Candidate 6 looks like the last before a final release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146280#comment-27735 #gnu #linux | Jan 09 19:53 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 6.0 RC6 and Proton Experimental Update | Tux Machines | Jan 09 19:53 | |
schestowitz | vZS1: another one today: https://cryptopotato.com/a-new-malware-working-on-windows-linux-and-macos-targets-your-cryptocurrency-report/ | Jan 09 19:53 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cryptopotato.com | A New Malware Working On Windows, Linux, and MacOS Targets Your Cryptocurrency: Report | Jan 09 19:53 | |
schestowitz | they can't stop, can they? | Jan 09 19:53 |
schestowitz | alternative headline: | Jan 09 19:53 |
schestowitz | golang is cross platform | Jan 09 19:54 |
schestowitz | and you can develop programs with it... to accomplish malicious things | Jan 09 19:54 |
ccady | Just a quick suggestion: I love the content at TechRights. I would like to suggest two things: 1) that the site itself be formatted in a much simpler format -- it is difficult to understand and navigate. 2) That the Links articles be an outline, so that sections can be opened and closed. Just my 2¢. | Jan 09 19:55 |
schestowitz | hi | Jan 09 19:56 |
techrights-bot | #eDEXUI – Coolest Linux Terminal • ᵀᵘˣ ᴹᵃᶜʰⁱⁿᵉˢ ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146304 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/09/#latest | Jan 09 19:57 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | eDEX-UI – Coolest Linux Terminal | Tux Machines | Jan 09 19:57 | |
ccady | Those are just my impressions. I have tried to browse the site using my phone, and have given up. | Jan 09 19:57 |
ccady | But even if nothing changes, I am thrilled with the site, and wish to thank you for all you do. | Jan 09 19:57 |
schestowitz | what about rss feeds? | Jan 09 19:58 |
schestowitz | if you use a phone, there's an "app" | Jan 09 19:58 |
schestowitz | for Android anyway | Jan 09 19:58 |
schestowitz | that strips things down to plain HTML | Jan 09 19:58 |
techrights-bot | #gnu #linux distro #Snal has a new release today, 1.2 https://sourceforge.net/projects/snallinux/ | Jan 09 20:01 |
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ccady | I will look into it. Thank you! | Jan 09 20:03 |
techrights-bot | #WineStaging 6.0-RC6 Fixes An 11 Year Old Bug http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146280#comment-27736 | Jan 09 20:03 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 6.0 RC6 and Proton Experimental Update | Tux Machines | Jan 09 20:03 | |
schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/120574 | Jan 09 20:03 |
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schestowitz | it's sort of alpha, but I tested and it works | Jan 09 20:03 |
schestowitz | it's tuxmachines and techrights in there | Jan 09 20:04 |
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techrights-bot | #Security : #Microsoft Cracked Again and More • ᵀᵘˣ ᴹᵃᶜʰⁱⁿᵉˢ ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146305 •●• #TuxMachines | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/01/09/#latest | Jan 09 20:12 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Microsoft Cracked Again and More | Tux Machines | Jan 09 20:12 | |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jan 09 20:12 | |
techrights-bot | GNU #Wget 1.21 and GNU Wget 1.21.1 Released • ᵀᵘˣ ᴹᵃᶜʰⁱⁿᵉˢ ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146306 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #FreeSW | Jan 09 20:16 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU Wget 1.21 and GNU Wget 1.21.1 Released | Tux Machines | Jan 09 20:16 | |
vZS1 | @ccady: the bulletins are where you see the structure of TR | Jan 09 20:19 |
techrights-bot | This week in #KDE : new #KWin compositing, new Kickoff, new recording level visualization! • ᵀᵘˣ ᴹᵃᶜʰⁱⁿᵉˢ ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146307 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jan 09 20:19 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: new KWin compositing, new Kickoff, new recording level visualization! | Tux Machines | Jan 09 20:19 | |
schestowitz | vZS1: in case you noticed but did not get notifiFIED... :-) | Jan 09 20:19 |
vZS1 | What's going on? | Jan 09 20:20 |
schestowitz | the bulletins, as soon as they are generated, will be advertised with link in IRC | Jan 09 20:20 |
schestowitz | which was easy to accomplish | Jan 09 20:20 |
schestowitz | just echo > file | Jan 09 20:20 |
vZS1 | Oh | Jan 09 20:20 |
schestowitz | so classy | Jan 09 20:20 |
schestowitz | echo "*** 𝐁𝐔𝐋𝐋𝐄𝐓𝐈𝐍 *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/$IRCDATEFILE" > ~/Desktop/Text_Workspace/images/ii-1.8/techrights2/irc.freenode.net/#techrights/in | Jan 09 20:20 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://techrights.org/txt-archives/$IRCDATEFILE ) | Jan 09 20:20 | |
vZS1 | Nice | Jan 09 20:20 |
schestowitz | same for IRC logs as soon as they are generated | Jan 09 20:21 |
schestowitz | 2:40 | Jan 09 20:21 |
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vZS1 | TR could use some cleaning up | Jan 09 20:21 |
vZS1 | The original TR material is mixed up with the other links atm | Jan 09 20:22 |
techrights-bot | Those are not events, they're webstreams https://opensource.com/article/21/1/virtual-events-2020 | Jan 09 20:22 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Catch up on these 4 virtual events from 2020 | Opensource.com | Jan 09 20:22 | |
schestowitz | vZS1: you mean, the bot stuff or the site? | Jan 09 20:23 |
schestowitz | we've long had newsbots | Jan 09 20:23 |
schestowitz | like over 10 years | Jan 09 20:23 |
schestowitz | the order incarnations used identi.ca/statusnet | Jan 09 20:23 |
techrights-bot | #LiveRaizo 12.21.01.04 is out, coming from #france and based on #debian #gnu #linux https://sourceforge.net/projects/live-raizo/ | Jan 09 20:25 |
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vZS1 | The site | Jan 09 20:28 |
schestowitz | Oh, I see | Jan 09 20:28 |
schestowitz | well, that's why links have red background | Jan 09 20:28 |
schestowitz | some suggested making that foldable | Jan 09 20:28 |
vZS1 | I mean more for navigation | Jan 09 20:28 |
schestowitz | but suggested javascript | Jan 09 20:28 |
schestowitz | which would be a step back | Jan 09 20:28 |
schestowitz | like latest posts listed at the top? | Jan 09 20:29 |
schestowitz | (of blog)? | Jan 09 20:29 |
vZS1 | Im suggesting more a change in the site layout. Split TR posts into a linear history. Relegate the external links to another page | Jan 09 20:30 |
vZS1 | The main site is still hard to navigate | Jan 09 20:30 |
vZS1 | When you click on a link in the new root page, it still goes back to the old site | Jan 09 20:31 |
vZS1 | That way people can easily read all the TR stuff because it's all in one place. | Jan 09 20:32 |
techrights-bot | Devices/Embedded Boards From the #UK • ᵀᵘˣ ᴹᵃᶜʰⁱⁿᵉˢ ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146309 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #Raspi | Jan 09 20:32 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices/Embedded Boards From the UK | Tux Machines | Jan 09 20:32 | |
schestowitz | wordpress does not work like this thoygh | Jan 09 20:33 |
schestowitz | *though | Jan 09 20:33 |
schestowitz | unless we exclude some category from front page | Jan 09 20:33 |
schestowitz | though it can affect RSS feeds as well | Jan 09 20:33 |
schestowitz | vZS1: need mockup to better understand | Jan 09 20:34 |
vZS1 | There's no page you can visit to see the TR stories | Jan 09 20:34 |
vZS1 | And only the TR stories | Jan 09 20:35 |
schestowitz | there are 30,000 blog posts | Jan 09 20:35 |
schestowitz | the wiki can be better for some stuff | Jan 09 20:35 |
schestowitz | That's how EPO workers read the site | Jan 09 20:35 |
schestowitz | and their wiki landing page is listed in the front (root) page | Jan 09 20:35 |
vZS1 | Yes but the TR posts aren't | Jan 09 20:36 |
vZS1 | Wiki has a dedicated page | Jan 09 20:36 |
vZS1 | TR articles don't | Jan 09 20:36 |
vZS1 | It would be worth making a dedicated page which lists TR articles. | Jan 09 20:36 |
schestowitz | so you want a listing that excludes a particular category | Jan 09 20:37 |
schestowitz | as if it's a bad one | Jan 09 20:37 |
schestowitz | and I don't think it is | Jan 09 20:37 |
schestowitz | some use the site for nothing BUT those link | Jan 09 20:37 |
schestowitz | *links | Jan 09 20:37 |
schestowitz | because no other site collates and curates them like this | Jan 09 20:37 |
schestowitz | with hierarchy and speed | Jan 09 20:37 |
vZS1 | Yes so it can have its own page | Jan 09 20:37 |
vZS1 | People find the site hard to navigate | Jan 09 20:37 |
vZS1 | Streamlining would help readers quickly find what they want | Jan 09 20:39 |
techrights-bot | #KDE #Plasma 5.21 Brings Low-latency Compositing, New Kickoff Menu, and Wallpaper | Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146308 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jan 09 20:39 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Plasma 5.21 Brings Low-latency Compositing, New Kickoff Menu, and Wallpaper | Tux Machines | Jan 09 20:39 | |
vZS1 | TR articles| wiki| external links | Jan 09 20:39 |
schestowitz | We used to have that | Jan 09 20:40 |
schestowitz | but magpieRSS broke | Jan 09 20:40 |
schestowitz | there was a listing of articles and links apart | Jan 09 20:40 |
schestowitz | it's still doable | Jan 09 20:40 |
schestowitz | and... if you want. | Jan 09 20:40 |
schestowitz | the current front page can split the two | Jan 09 20:40 |
schestowitz | then show one timeline or list for each | Jan 09 20:40 |
schestowitz | though it would just add more items to that page and clutter is further, I think | Jan 09 20:41 |
vZS1 | It's not the front page that needs changing | Jan 09 20:41 |
vZS1 | That's just a summary | Jan 09 20:41 |
vZS1 | It's the layout of the rest of the site | Jan 09 20:41 |
schestowitz | the bulletins already splits the two | Jan 09 20:41 |
schestowitz | and links are always at the bottom | Jan 09 20:41 |
vZS1 | It would be good to mention that in the root page. I forgot about that | Jan 09 20:43 |
techrights-bot | Why is #Alibaba outsourcing to #proprietarySoftware #monopoly of #microsoft ? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Alibaba-MNN-1.1.1-Performance #deletegithub | Jan 09 20:43 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Alibaba's MNN Deep Learning Framework Continues Squeezing More Performance - Phoronix | Jan 09 20:43 | |
vZS1 | The WordPress site is hard to navigate. To much clutter | Jan 09 20:44 |
schestowitz | [20:42] <href> tomorrow i'm bringing it back | Jan 09 20:44 |
schestowitz | [20:43] <href> and i'm gonna make it more clear, and use a lesser infrastructure, so i'm not the only one in charge | Jan 09 20:44 |
schestowitz | [20:44] <schestowitz> thanks! | Jan 09 20:44 |
vZS1 | Too* | Jan 09 20:44 |
schestowitz | argh, I heard it before... | Jan 09 20:44 |
schestowitz | about pleroma.site | Jan 09 20:44 |
schestowitz | [20:44] <href> .site is gonna be separate from anything else | Jan 09 20:44 |
schestowitz | [20:44] <href> (else = else I own). Same for the other fedis site | Jan 09 20:44 |
schestowitz | [20:44] <schestowitz> thank you | Jan 09 20:44 |
schestowitz | anyway, in the meantime we have a contingency for it | Jan 09 20:45 |
schestowitz | [20:45] <href> If I can't get invidual sites to get fund at half as what it costs, I'll shut them down. Each "group" will get "owners" and backupers. | Jan 09 20:45 |
schestowitz | [20:45] <schestowitz> sounds fair | Jan 09 20:45 |
schestowitz | see? | Jan 09 20:45 |
schestowitz | social control media has no sustainable model | Jan 09 20:45 |
schestowitz | [20:45] <href> p.site, p.fr, mastodon.host and related was costing me 600e/m | Jan 09 20:46 |
schestowitz | [20:46] <schestowitz> wow, that is a lot indeed | Jan 09 20:46 |
schestowitz | [20:46] <href> big and shared doesn't work, so i'm gonna try open and small | Jan 09 20:46 |
schestowitz | joindiapora sort of shared the load across several people and raises money | Jan 09 20:46 |
vZS1 | Will always crash | Jan 09 20:48 |
schestowitz | [20:47] <href> this means i'm gonna call for help. Could you either participate in sysadm, participate in finances, participate on backups ? | Jan 09 20:48 |
schestowitz | [20:47] <href> pick one or more. | Jan 09 20:48 |
schestowitz | [20:48] <schestowitz> I am willing to pay a bit, I recently paid joindiaspora | Jan 09 20:48 |
vZS1 | P2P is the only reliable way to keep data online | Jan 09 20:48 |
schestowitz | seems like the same day I work on a contingency he says all of the sudden the site is coming back | Jan 09 20:49 |
schestowitz | vZS1: in the long run, yeah... | Jan 09 20:49 |
schestowitz | [20:49] <href> Cool. I hope to find backuping people and a sort of "council" who owns the domain and backup encryption key. | Jan 09 20:50 |
schestowitz | [20:50] <schestowitz> :-) | Jan 09 20:50 |
vZS1 | It's also convenient for us. Because sharing the load is built into P2P networks | Jan 09 20:50 |
vZS1 | We just write simple scripts to automate things | Jan 09 20:50 |
schestowitz | 20:50] <href> I really feel a lot bad for this extended downtime | Jan 09 20:51 |
schestowitz | [20:51] <schestowitz> "Shit happens" :-) | Jan 09 20:51 |
schestowitz | vZS1: well, we'll see how it goes | Jan 09 20:51 |
schestowitz | tbh, I suffered a lot from this downtime... this past month | Jan 09 20:51 |
schestowitz | we really depended a lot on ActivityPub | Jan 09 20:51 |
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schestowitz | maybe we can mix and match bots | Jan 09 20:55 |
schestowitz | example | Jan 09 20:55 |
schestowitz | the existing one does bulletins and IRC | Jan 09 20:55 |
schestowitz | among more | Jan 09 20:55 |
schestowitz | the one Ariadne wrote, viera, can do the rest | Jan 09 20:55 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: href says now he's bringing back the site (some details above) | Jan 09 20:55 |
schestowitz | I will need to chip in and help to keep it going, which I'm willing to do | Jan 09 20:56 |
schestowitz | if something is free, they say, you're the product | Jan 09 20:57 |
schestowitz | or... someone else pays for it | Jan 09 20:57 |
schestowitz | href in this case | Jan 09 20:57 |
techrights-bot | #OpenSUSE #Tumbleweed Updates | Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146310 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jan 09 21:17 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenSUSE Tumbleweed Updates | Tux Machines | Jan 09 21:17 | |
techrights-bot | #FreeSoftware Leftovers | Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146311 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #freesw | Jan 09 21:19 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jan 09 21:19 | |
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techrights-bot | #Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146312 | Jan 09 22:13 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jan 09 22:13 | |
techrights-bot | Today’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers | Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146313 •●• #GNU #Linux | Jan 09 22:20 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jan 09 22:20 | |
techrights-bot | Links 9/1/2021: KDE Frameworks 5.78.0, GNU Wget 1.21.1, Red Hat Buying StackRox • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/01/09/gnu-wget-1-21-1/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Jan 09 22:25 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 9/1/2021: KDE Frameworks 5.78.0, GNU Wget 1.21.1, Red Hat Buying StackRox | Techrights | Jan 09 22:25 | |
DaemonFC[m] | https://www.windowscentral.com/how-reset-icon-cache-database-windows-10 | Jan 09 22:27 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.windowscentral.com | How to reset the icon cache database on Windows 10 | Windows Central | Jan 09 22:27 | |
DaemonFC[m] | This issue is STILL affecting Windows 10. | Jan 09 22:27 |
DaemonFC[m] | Makes it impossible to start Firefox from the Start Menu. | Jan 09 22:27 |
techrights-bot | #GNU #findutils 4.8.0 released | Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146315 •●• #freesw #Linux #TuxMachines | Jan 09 22:29 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU findutils 4.8.0 released | Tux Machines | Jan 09 22:29 | |
DaemonFC[m] | Okay, so for some reason, it was linking to a broken icon. | Jan 09 22:29 |
DaemonFC[m] | We're finally back to the bad old days. | Jan 09 22:29 |
DaemonFC[m] | Where Firefox has severe rendering problems with sites meant for another browser. | Jan 09 22:29 |
techrights-bot | "I recently bought a Raspberry Pi 400 which also sits on my desk for quick-release arm64-action! The problem I have had with other Pi’s is the spiders web of cables needed, and additional keyboard." https://popey.com/blog/2021/01/two-displays-and-two-computers/ | Jan 09 22:30 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-popey.com | Two Displays & Two Computers · | Jan 09 22:30 | |
DaemonFC[m] | Nobody is even testing to see if Firefox works. The sites are saying get Chrome. | Jan 09 22:30 |
techrights-bot | "The Community Council has concluded that we need a new evaluation of the #Ubuntu Local Communities project itself and this should be done by a Local Communities Research Committee." https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/01/09/call-for-nomination-local-communities-research-committee/ | Jan 09 22:30 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fridge.ubuntu.com | Ubuntu Fridge | Call for Nomination: Local Communities Research Committee | Jan 09 22:30 | |
schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: maybe Mozilla needs to send the cake back | Jan 09 22:31 |
schestowitz | to Microcraplot | Jan 09 22:31 |
DaemonFC[m] | There were jokes like "Was the cake ticking?". | Jan 09 22:32 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/22/mozilla-board/ | Jan 09 22:32 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla Hires From Microsoft for Mozilla’s Board | Techrights | Jan 09 22:32 | |
DaemonFC[m] | Well, after laying off productive people and going through another useless plan to reorg the Firefox user interface, what the hell? | Jan 09 22:32 |
DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Nathan Lineback has more or less given up on Firefox too, after years of maintaining a site about how much he hated Microsoft and, IE in particular. | Jan 09 22:34 |
DaemonFC[m] | He said he heard about the mass layoffs, and if it was the people who redesigned the GUI he'd be supportive, but it wasn't. It was the people in charge of writing the browser engine. | Jan 09 22:35 |
DaemonFC[m] | And I agree, something bigger is coming. | Jan 09 22:35 |
DaemonFC[m] | Without developers, Gecko will fall further behind than it already is in addressing web compatibility problems. | Jan 09 22:35 |
techrights-bot | #nvidia is still a wild affair. One wonder what will happen to ARM if/when the US takes over http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146234#comment-27737 | Jan 09 22:35 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nvidia 460.32.03 Display Driver Adds Support for RTX A6000 GPUs, Vulkan Improvements | Tux Machines | Jan 09 22:35 | |
DaemonFC[m] | And eventually they'll say they're switching to Chromium and trying to make the best out of a bad situation. | Jan 09 22:35 |
DaemonFC[m] | Really, if you think about it, claiming that they're trying to differentiate themselves at the user experience level is where everyone else went, because it's expensive and difficult to actually build a browser. | Jan 09 22:37 |
DaemonFC[m] | Much less so to throw a coat of paint on Chrome and call the program something else. | Jan 09 22:37 |
techrights-bot | Comparing food to #freesw and standards https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/01/what-fonio-or-any-other-food-should-share-with-serious-digital-standards/ | Jan 09 22:39 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | What Fonio, or any other food, should share with serious digital standards | Stop at Zona-M | Jan 09 22:39 | |
MinceR | unfortunately, mozilla is differentiating itself by being worse | Jan 09 22:39 |
MinceR | stupid shit like throwing ALSA support out | Jan 09 22:39 |
techrights-bot | Element: The Greatest Way To Access Matrix - YouTube ⇨ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDD49zEp3Uk •●• #Video #Freesw | Jan 09 22:39 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Element: The Greatest Way To Access Matrix - YouTube | Jan 09 22:39 | |
MinceR | i prefer using IRC to access matrix :> | Jan 09 22:46 |
techrights-bot | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX | Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146316 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jan 09 22:47 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jan 09 22:47 | |
schestowitz | MinceR: is matrix worth it at all? | Jan 09 22:50 |
schestowitz | seems like more entities move to it | Jan 09 22:50 |
MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Jan 09 22:50 |
schestowitz | private and public | Jan 09 22:50 |
schestowitz | no, seriosuly | Jan 09 22:50 |
MinceR | i'm not too impressed with it | Jan 09 22:50 |
schestowitz | maybe even the cheeto nazi will move to it | Jan 09 22:50 |
schestowitz | or cheeto hitler | Jan 09 22:50 |
schestowitz | some copied it in the former form | Jan 09 22:50 |
MinceR | like with XMPP, if the server i used went down, i could start over with setting up everything from scratch | Jan 09 22:51 |
schestowitz | MinceR: why matrix and now irc? | Jan 09 22:51 |
schestowitz | attaching images? | Jan 09 22:51 |
schestowitz | seems like recipe for bloat | Jan 09 22:51 |
schestowitz | esp. when linking is possible | Jan 09 22:51 |
schestowitz | leave text to text | Jan 09 22:51 |
MinceR | IRC is too old, too good and too free for hipsters | Jan 09 22:51 |
schestowitz | and image hosting to that alone | Jan 09 22:51 |
MinceR | they've got to have something bloated, heavy, preferably based on the "modern" web | Jan 09 22:51 |
schestowitz | MinceR: yeah | Jan 09 22:51 |
schestowitz | and many tools for it | Jan 09 22:51 |
MinceR | matrix is still not ideal for them | Jan 09 22:51 |
schestowitz | now I just write to a file | Jan 09 22:51 |
MinceR | faecesbook and dicksword are better for them | Jan 09 22:52 |
schestowitz | and it echos in irc | Jan 09 22:52 |
MinceR | that way, they can be beholden to a corporation | Jan 09 22:52 |
schestowitz | very nice suckless program called ii | Jan 09 22:52 |
MinceR | as for Bunker Bitch's fan club, they're shit out of luck | Jan 09 22:53 |
MinceR | maybe their beloved russian empire will run something for them | Jan 09 22:54 |
MinceR | something nonfree and bloated, with only 1 client they're allowed to use | Jan 09 22:54 |
MinceR | or only a web interface | Jan 09 22:54 |
schestowitz | Bunker Bitch? | Jan 09 22:55 |
schestowitz | Trump? | Jan 09 22:56 |
schestowitz | His wife/daughter? | Jan 09 22:56 |
schestowitz | Is that another term like cheeto hitler? | Jan 09 22:56 |
techrights-bot | My ARM laptop http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Techrights-Birthday-14-Years/20200915_070340 | Jan 09 22:59 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | 20200915 070340 | Jan 09 22:59 | |
MinceR | trump | Jan 09 23:00 |
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schestowitz | BB | Jan 09 23:09 |
schestowitz | B | Jan 09 23:09 |
schestowitz | Benjamin Trump Neyanyahu, BiBi, |Bunker Bitch| | Jan 09 23:09 |
techrights-bot | Intel Preparing New Driver Option To Disable GPU Security Mitigations - Phoronix ⇨ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-i915-mitigations-off-Opt •●• #Intel offers no real #security and works for the #trump regime with back doors | Jan 09 23:11 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Preparing New Driver Option To Disable GPU Security Mitigations - Phoronix | Jan 09 23:11 | |
techrights-bot | "Linux's #HMM implementation came together over the years and of the interest to many vendors." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-ROCm-HMM-SVM-Memory #Radeon #Linux #Kernel | Jan 09 23:13 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMD Making Progress On HMM-Based SVM Memory Manager For Open-Source Compute - Phoronix | Jan 09 23:13 | |
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techrights-bot | "This opt-in #L1d flushing on context switching tried for the #Linux 5.8 #kernel but at the time was rejected by Linus #Torvalds as "beyond stupid", big performance implications, and not necessarily working out as desire" https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=L1d-Flush-2021-Patches | Jan 09 23:15 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-L1d Cache Flushing On Context Switch Trying Again But More Conservative In 2021 - Phoronix | Jan 09 23:15 | |
techrights-bot | #Bootlin : "We recently contributed an improvement to Buildroot that allows those toolchains to very easily be used in #Buildroot configurations" https://bootlin.com/blog/bootlin-toolchains-integration-in-buildroot/ | Jan 09 23:17 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bootlin toolchains integration in Buildroot - Bootlin's blog | Jan 09 23:17 | |
schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: https://mastransky.wordpress.com/2021/01/08/the-first-fully-tested-fedora-firefox-package/ | Jan 09 23:18 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastransky.wordpress.com | The first fully tested Fedora Firefox package – Martin Stransky's Blog | Jan 09 23:18 | |
techrights-bot | Fedora program update: 2021-01 -> #Fedora Community Blog ⇨ https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-program-update-2021-01/ •●• #communityfedoraproject | Jan 09 23:19 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Fedora program update: 2021-01 – Fedora Community Blog | Jan 09 23:19 | |
techrights-bot | #linuxfoundaion is defunct. #CNCF and #Zoom instead of #freesw and all projects outsourced to #microsoft proprietary GitHub https://enotty.pipebreaker.pl/posts/2021/01/kubecon-na-2020-talks-to-watch-part-1/ | Jan 09 23:22 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enotty.pipebreaker.pl | KubeCon NA 2020 talks to watch, part 1 | -ENOTTY | Jan 09 23:22 | |
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techrights-bot | #LinuxFoundation is NOT about #linux http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation | Jan 09 23:25 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights | Jan 09 23:25 | |
techrights-bot | #Vkrunner RPM packages available - Samuel Iglesias Gonsálvez's blog ⇨ https://blogs.igalia.com/siglesias/2021/01/08/vkrunner-rpm-packages-available/ •●• #igalia | Jan 09 23:26 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.igalia.com | Vkrunner RPM packages available - Samuel Iglesias Gonsálvez's blog | Jan 09 23:26 | |
techrights-bot | #ibm #redhat propping up misleading, deliberately bad misnomers like "serverless" https://jaxenter.com/quarkus-serverless-173345.html see http://techrights.org/2019/07/13/buzzwords-confronted/ | Jan 09 23:29 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Modernizing application development with serverless and Quarkus - JAXenter | Jan 09 23:29 | |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | There’s No Such Thing as Cloud Computing, Serverless and All That Other Nonsense | Techrights | Jan 09 23:29 | |
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techrights-bot | Count the buzzwords in this headline of an #ibm #redhat puff piece (advertising disguised as "news") https://www.siliconrepublic.com/enterprise/devops-hybrid-cloud-red-hat | Jan 09 23:30 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.siliconrepublic.com | How a DevOps culture can make the hybrid cloud work | Jan 09 23:30 | |
MinceR | lol | Jan 09 23:30 |
techrights-bot | #ibm #redhat marketing-heads are leveraging a pandemic that kills millions of people to sell their crap products (many proprietary) https://thriveglobal.com/stories/reinventing-11s-in-a-time-of-disruption/ no sense of shame to these people... | Jan 09 23:31 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thriveglobal.com | Reinventing 1:1s in a time of disruption | Jan 09 23:31 | |
techrights-bot | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group | Jan 09 23:34 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gartner Group - Techrights | Jan 09 23:34 | |
techrights-bot | Development Release: #AntiX ’Bullseye’ Alpha 1 - Noice • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146317 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #Debian | Jan 09 23:38 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Development Release: AntiX 'Bullseye' Alpha 1 - Noice | Tux Machines | Jan 09 23:38 | |
techrights-bot | #chromeOS is a ToyOS. Need you install any more toys on it? Wipe clean the #chromebook (if that is still feasible, #google tries to obstruct that), install "proper" #gnu #linux on it. https://www.maketecheasier.com/awesome-games-chromebook/ | Jan 09 23:39 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | The 14 Best Games to Play on Your Chromebook in 2021 - Make Tech Easier | Jan 09 23:39 | |
schestowitz | Sigh. https://cryptopotato.com/a-new-malware-working-on-windows-linux-and-macos-targets-your-cryptocurrency-report/ | Jan 09 23:40 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cryptopotato.com | A New Malware Working On Windows, Linux, and MacOS Targets Your Cryptocurrency: Report | Jan 09 23:40 | |
schestowitz | more FUD | Jan 09 23:40 |
schestowitz | "new malwarE" | Jan 09 23:40 |
schestowitz | how does that GET to a server/personal machine? | Jan 09 23:40 |
schestowitz | you need to actually install the darn thing | Jan 09 23:40 |
schestowitz | while IRC logs make that apparent already, today's tl;dr is that pleroma.site will likely come back if the users support it technically and financially. We've meanwhile set up alternatives to viera. I think viera will run in tandem (depending on channel) because ii does some things better than viera can. So a mix of both would be beneficial. | Jan 09 23:42 |
schestowitz | vZS1: do you want me to do some work on IPFS to the effect noted? | Jan 09 23:43 |
schestowitz | or is that, being unstable (still) as mentioned, to be a side project for now? I have lots of spare time tonight/tomorrow. | Jan 09 23:43 |
techrights-bot | #ibm #redhat employee running servers at home http://adam.younglogic.com/2021/01/homelab-openshift-4-on-baremetal-part-1/ | Jan 09 23:46 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-adam.younglogic.com | Homelab OpenShift 4 on Baremetal: Part 1 | Adam Young’s Web Log | Jan 09 23:46 | |
techrights-bot | #Graphics : #Vkrunner , #Intel and #AMD • 𝕋𝕦𝕩 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖𝕤 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/146318 | Jan 09 23:49 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: Vkrunner, Intel and AMD | Tux Machines | Jan 09 23:49 | |
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DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: According to Lake County, they're not even a third of the way through vaccine phase 1a. | Jan 09 23:52 |
DaemonFC[m] | Which is healthcare workers and people in nursing homes. | Jan 09 23:52 |
DaemonFC[m] | Phase 1b will be people over 65 in general. | Jan 09 23:52 |
DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: It's up to the states, so it's a clusterfuck. | Jan 09 23:52 |
DaemonFC[m] | In Florida, some counties are using Surveymonkey to set up vaccination appointments. | Jan 09 23:53 |
DaemonFC[m] | Some are doing first come first serve, so a bunch of elderly people sit waiting on lawn chairs. | Jan 09 23:53 |
DaemonFC[m] | In one case, the people at the clinic told a bunch waiting to go home and then used the remaining doses on friends and family members they called. | Jan 09 23:53 |
schestowitz | I'm putting ii on our ipfs node | Jan 09 23:54 |
schestowitz | $ make | Jan 09 23:54 |
schestowitz | cc -c -o ii.o ii.c -Os -I. -I/usr/include -DVERSION=\"1.8\" -std=c99 -D_DEFAULT_SOURCE | Jan 09 23:54 |
schestowitz | cc -c -o strlcpy.o strlcpy.c -Os -I. -I/usr/include -DVERSION=\"1.8\" -std=c99 -D_DEFAULT_SOURCE | Jan 09 23:54 |
schestowitz | cc -o ii ii.o strlcpy.o -s | Jan 09 23:54 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: but does that vaccine work? | Jan 09 23:54 |
schestowitz | I am looking for statistical data | Jan 09 23:54 |
schestowitz | evidence that it reduces mortality | Jan 09 23:54 |
schestowitz | even after 1st/2nd dosage | Jan 09 23:55 |
schestowitz | I see many sales | Jan 09 23:55 |
schestowitz | I see "happy stories" | Jan 09 23:55 |
schestowitz | but I see no independent data on this | Jan 09 23:55 |
schestowitz | at all | Jan 09 23:55 |
DaemonFC[m] | If there's any data, I'm not seeing it. | Jan 09 23:57 |
DaemonFC[m] | You'd think there'd be plenty now like "No new cases in the nursing homes where we've vaccinated so far.". | Jan 09 23:57 |
DaemonFC[m] | Or "A 90% reduction.". | Jan 09 23:58 |
DaemonFC[m] | Something. | Jan 09 23:58 |
DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-lawyers-dershowitz-giuliani/index.html | Jan 09 23:58 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Trump considering Giuliani and Dershowitz for impeachment defense team - CNNPolitics | Jan 09 23:58 | |
schestowitz | two a-holes | Jan 09 23:58 |
schestowitz | we need rudyleaks | Jan 09 23:59 |
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