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schestowitzRe: how Free is FOSDEM?Oct 13 00:12
schestowitz> They started censoring the list after my post, look at these headersOct 13 00:12
schestowitz> from a message that appeared today, it was posted 9 October but onlyOct 13 00:12
schestowitz> appeared todayOct 13 00:12
schestowitz> Oct 13 00:12
schestowitz> So much for that Nobel Peace Prize for Freedom of ExpressionOct 13 00:12
schestowitzHack-a-Day did the same thing recently.Oct 13 00:12
schestowitzIt's a sensitive subject.Oct 13 00:12
schestowitzThink of it this way; they don't worry about what YOU say but what the topic you brought up might lead OTHERS to say.Oct 13 00:12
schestowitzTheLayoff.com did the same last week in the IBM boards.  I quit posting links to that site after that.Oct 13 00:12
schestowitzSensitive subject. Brings out many k00ks out from the woodwork, so they prefer to leave that OFF-list.Oct 13 00:12
schestowitzWhen someone mentioned it to me regarding Hack-a-Day (with evidence of deletions) I could almost sympathise because in IRC the subject of COVID routinely gets brought up and there's always the change of some idiot posting truly ridiculous things.Oct 13 00:12
schestowitzI saw that in Hack-a-Day.Oct 13 00:12
schestowitz----Oct 13 00:14
schestowitzsorry IRC was quiet this past half dayOct 13 00:14
schestowitzI finish work in 45 minsOct 13 00:14
schestowitzalso, we had some outages yesterday, mostly in our home Oct 13 00:15
schestowitzthere's no way to get around or prevent these, not an easy way anwayOct 13 00:15
schestowitzat least the main Web site suffered no outagesOct 13 00:15
schestowitzre COVID:Oct 13 00:15
schestowitzbetter to post that in #boycotnovell-socialOct 13 00:16
schestowitzor #techpolOct 13 00:16
schestowitzto avoid silly debates on whether  digesting some horseshit [sic] is a good ideaOct 13 00:16
schestowitzthe debate can start reasonableOct 13 00:16
schestowitzbut then someone can interject nonsenseOct 13 00:16
schestowitzthe google trolls who stalks us here than lies about us in TwitterOct 13 00:17
schestowitzpeople don't check if a tweet is trueOct 13 00:17
schestowitzthey "like" and/or pass onOct 13 00:17
schestowitzand some idiots think that a site not outsourcing to Linux Foundation is the EQUIVALENT of "anto-vaxx"Oct 13 00:17
schestowitz(I kid you not; would not link though)Oct 13 00:18
schestowitzall days of this month we'll focus on EPO scandalsOct 13 00:18
schestowitzthey help expose corruption in other institutions across EuropeOct 13 00:18
schestowitzAfter Switzerland we show France/INPIOct 13 00:18
schestowitzThen Portugal and SpainOct 13 00:19
schestowitzThen Austria, tons of corruption there alsoOct 13 00:19
schestowitz17 PDFs more by the weekendOct 13 00:19
schestowitzwith translationsOct 13 00:19
schestowitze.g. http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/15-Rödler-Press-Release-March-2007.pdf abd http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/15-Parliamentary-Inquiry-No.-2-Oct-2009.pdfOct 13 00:20
schestowitzthat one is for this coming weekend, likely SundayOct 13 00:20
schestowitzAriadne: lies are being spread about us in Techrights, just a headsupOct 13 00:21
schestowitz"us in Techrights" as in the channelOct 13 00:21
schestowitzsocial control media spreads falsehoodsOct 13 00:21
schestowitz"shoot the messenger" tactics almost always mean that the substance cannot be refutedOct 13 00:22
schestowitzso an alternative strategy is embracedOct 13 00:22
schestowitzon the upside, in gemini:// we now serve around 20k pages a dayOct 13 00:23
schestowitznowhere near as much as http/sOct 13 00:23
schestowitzbut it seems like there are parallel protocols for dissemination of the underlying informationOct 13 00:24
schestowitzmaybe we'll move to openwrt at home, but that's a big project and puts at risk support from the ISPOct 13 00:24
schestowitz"you're on your own now.."Oct 13 00:24
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schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: don't provoke GoogleTrollOct 13 00:25
schestowitz-TR2not worth itOct 13 00:25
schestowitz-TR2ignoreOct 13 00:25
schestowitz-TR2focus on the issuesOct 13 00:25
schestowitz-TR2the technical arguments have been solidOct 13 00:26
schestowitz-TR2they won't try to respond to our articlesOct 13 00:26
schestowitz-TR2instead, stalking in IRC to deamonise [pub] the messengersOct 13 00:26
schestowitz-TR2carry on bloggingOct 13 00:27
schestowitz-TR2the GNOME Web thing merits a mentionOct 13 00:27
schestowitz110% propaganda: https://www.iam-media.com/law-policy/can-the-epo-hold-its-world-leading-reputation-quality-in-new-normalOct 13 00:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | Can the EPO hold on to its world-leading reputation for quality in a ‘new normal’? | IAMOct 13 00:29
schestowitzquality has not been world-leading for 5+ yearsOct 13 00:29
schestowitzand it's not "new normal" that puts that at iskOct 13 00:29
schestowitzit's corruption and miscommunication Oct 13 00:29
schestowitzIAM is paid by EPO to drop this BSOct 13 00:29
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schestowitz-TR2hi, nickerOct 13 00:36
schestowitz-TR2new here?Oct 13 00:36
nickernope, just visitingOct 13 00:36
nickerwondering why altlink gone - did you kicked her?Oct 13 00:37
Ariadnelies such as?Oct 13 00:37
schestowitz-TR2nicker: no, why?Oct 13 00:38
nickerthanks for the infoOct 13 00:38
schestowitz-TR2Ariadne: never mind if you didn't notice, it's only coming from one personOct 13 00:38
schestowitz-TR2nicker: I wondered the same thing in factOct 13 00:38
nickerI'm not saying you are lyingOct 13 00:38
schestowitz-TR2tbh, I have no clue who is behind that botOct 13 00:39
nickerMastodon version is fine: https://mamot.fr/@altlinkOct 13 00:39
nickerCrimeflareOct 13 00:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-🙅🌩🔗 (@altlink@mamot.fr) - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media FédéréOct 13 00:39
schestowitz-TR2but some of us like that, wish it could be fused into one single lineOct 13 00:39
schestowitz-TR2and maybe IRC "notice"Oct 13 00:39
nicker>  wish it could be fused into one single lineOct 13 00:39
schestowitz-TR2to improve readabilityOct 13 00:39
nicker^ good suggestion! I'll forward itOct 13 00:39
nickerhere, https://git.disroot.org/dCF/deCloudflare/src/branch/master/subfiles/service.altlink_irc.mdOct 13 00:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.disroot.org | dCF/deCloudflare: The Great Cloudwall / Stop Cloudflare / #deCloudflare #GreatCloudwall #Crimeflare - subfiles/service.altlink_irc.md at master - deCloudflare - Gitea: Git with a cup of teaOct 13 00:40
schestowitz-TR2I like giteaOct 13 00:40
schestowitz-TR2main issue is, many dependenciesOct 13 00:40
schestowitz-TR2for small projects it's a lot of maintenance overheadOct 13 00:40
nickerif you're on debian, it's just "apt install gitea"Oct 13 00:40
Ariadnei mean it seems to me like you all could just not discuss mjg59Oct 13 00:40
schestowitzfwiw, someone set up a #deCloudflare channel on this networkOct 13 00:41
Ariadneif you don’t like how he portrays your discussions about him (much of which i find vile really) then that’s one thing, but i don’t see any “lie” thereOct 13 00:41
nickerreally? never heard of that channelOct 13 00:41
Ariadnethose things were in fact said about him on the irc chatOct 13 00:41
schestowitzAriadne: yes, I keep stressing it's best to ignoreOct 13 00:41
schestowitzthe personOct 13 00:41
schestowitzand focus on the substanceOct 13 00:42
schestowitzone person keeps bringing up the personOct 13 00:42
nickerwell, we always (for real) getting attacked by pro-cf users and supporters so it's not a surprise to me.Oct 13 00:42
schestowitzit's not even our topic hereOct 13 00:43
Ariadnelike 50% of the chat here is complaining about systemd, it’s author, boneheaded decisions GNOME made a decade ago, mjg59 trying to make linux work better with UEFI, …Oct 13 00:43
schestowitzI think this is why MinceR muted himOct 13 00:43
Ariadnei’m here for the software patentsOct 13 00:43
schestowitzwe talk about NSA one momentOct 13 00:43
MinceRyes, say nothing ill about saint garrett, prophet of microsoftOct 13 00:43
schestowitzthen someone starts talking about sex and stuffOct 13 00:43
schestowitzAriadne: almost all articles this month are exclusives about patentsOct 13 00:43
schestowitzthis is what we focused on since 2006 (Novell)Oct 13 00:44
Ariadneall i’m saying is that it’s very easy to get off course and start focusing on shit that is largely irrelevantOct 13 00:44
MinceR13 013927 < nicker> >  wish it could be fused into one single lineOct 13 00:44
schestowitzI think there are clear attempts to derailOct 13 00:44
schestowitzone method isOct 13 00:44
schestowitz1. interject some conroversial subjectOct 13 00:44
MinceRalso, if the bot sends it as a NOTICE (as RFC 1459 suggests), other bots won't respond to itOct 13 00:44
schestowitz2. force other people to talk about (1)Oct 13 00:44
schestowitz3. wait for someone to say something vile Oct 13 00:44
Ariadnetalking shit about mjg59 does not keep things focused on software freedom, and the attacks on it from patent trolls and corporationsOct 13 00:44
MinceRso we won't get an extra title reply which is the same as the firstOct 13 00:45
schestowitz4. call the whole site vile (over something not related to the site's topic)Oct 13 00:45
schestowitzAriadne: yes, that's why MinceR muted himOct 13 00:45
MinceRmjg59 is mentioned because of the attacks on freedom he facilitatesOct 13 00:45
schestowitzit's clear what the troll tries to accomplish hereOct 13 00:45
Ariadneanyway i’m here for UPC coverage and EPO etcOct 13 00:45
schestowitzand why he still hangs aroundOct 13 00:45
schestowitzAriadne: thanksOct 13 00:45
schestowitzwe have lots coming this monthOct 13 00:45
schestowitzI want to focus 90% of my time on this Oct 13 00:46
schestowitzand devote the site to the current EPO crisisOct 13 00:46
nickerstarting up fixed version...Oct 13 00:46
schestowitzahOct 13 00:46
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schestowitzyou are the operator of the altlink bot?Oct 13 00:46
nickereveryone has accessOct 13 00:47
nickerhttps://emsisoft.com/blog/Oct 13 00:47
altlink_6fa📣 Cloudflare: emsisoft.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://emsisoft.com/blog/Oct 13 00:47
schestowitzoh, I seeOct 13 00:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.emsisoft.com | Emsisoft | Security Blog: Straight-talking security advice from the Malware ExpertsOct 13 00:47
schestowitzso it's a service as suchOct 13 00:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/https://emsisoft.com/blog/ )Oct 13 00:47
nickerhttps://git.disroot.org/dCF/deCloudflare/src/branch/master/subfiles/service.altlink_irc.mdOct 13 00:47
nickerother IRCs are kicking torOct 13 00:47
schestowitz:) .mdOct 13 00:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.disroot.org | dCF/deCloudflare: The Great Cloudwall / Stop Cloudflare / #deCloudflare #GreatCloudwall #Crimeflare - subfiles/service.altlink_irc.md at master - deCloudflare - Gitea: Git with a cup of teaOct 13 00:47
schestowitzmarkdown like some other softwareOct 13 00:47
schestowitzand their GUI also copies somethingOct 13 00:47
schestowitzbut anyway, whatever gets people off of Microsoft's proprietary trap and GPL violations machineOct 13 00:48
nickeroh, and you can send PM (personal message) to altlink  to create anonymous issue when we are not visitingOct 13 00:48
schestowitzthanksOct 13 00:49
schestowitzwe'll be more actively shortly, I'm wrapping up a shift at work atmOct 13 00:49
nickerI gotta go, it's almost night hereOct 13 00:50
schestowitz20,000 commits??Oct 13 00:50
nickeryepOct 13 00:50
schestowitzare they adding domain names?Oct 13 00:50
schestowitzhttps://git.disroot.org/dCF/deCloudflare/commits/branch/masterOct 13 00:50
nickerwhat domain?Oct 13 00:50
nickerhttp://crimeflare.eu.orgOct 13 00:50
schestowitzI mean lots of changesOct 13 00:50
schestowitz"19384 Commits (master) "Oct 13 00:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.disroot.org | dCF/deCloudflare - deCloudflare - Gitea: Git with a cup of teaOct 13 00:51
nickerah, it's a result of daily, 365 days, of historyOct 13 00:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.disroot.org | dCF/deCloudflare: The Great Cloudwall / Stop Cloudflare / #deCloudflare #GreatCloudwall #Crimeflare - README.md at master - deCloudflare - Gitea: Git with a cup of teaOct 13 00:51
schestowitzmakes sense nowOct 13 00:51
nickerCFE is now 5-6 years nowOct 13 00:51
schestowitz-TR2when we suffer DDOS attacks people tell us, move to clownflareOct 13 00:52
schestowitz-TR2as if that's a solutionOct 13 00:52
schestowitz-TR2it's part of the problemOct 13 00:52
nickerwell we do block VPS on our servers (except Tor and VPN users)Oct 13 00:52
schestowitz-TR2and each year more traffic gets routed via this publicly-traded (Wall Street) clown sieveOct 13 00:52
nickerlists data is located in /tools/useful_ip_list iircOct 13 00:53
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR2, This is turning into a long one.Oct 13 00:53
DaemonFCAbout how I started using GNOME daily because of the Yoga 900.Oct 13 00:53
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nickernight night ;)Oct 13 00:54
schestowitz-TR20/Oct 13 00:54
DaemonFCAnd how it's taken this long for HiDPI support in GNU/Linux to evolve to the point where you have more than one choice if you have such hardware.Oct 13 00:54
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schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: ah, OK, work in progressOct 13 00:54
schestowitz-TR2I run old gnome3/shell on a laptopOct 13 00:54
schestowitz-TR2I'm not loving itOct 13 00:54
schestowitz-TR2but it's not as bad as WindowsOct 13 00:54
schestowitz-TR2my xfce machine has uptime of 200+ days nowOct 13 00:55
schestowitz-TR2xfce is very good for some thingsOct 13 00:55
schestowitz-TR2and some people accuse us of giving "too much choice"Oct 13 00:55
schestowitz-TR2"too many cars!!"Oct 13 00:55
schestowitz-TR2trucks, jeeps, vans..Oct 13 00:55
schestowitz-TR2too many!!Oct 13 00:55
schestowitz-TR2We need a "universal car!!"Oct 13 00:56
psydruidit's a ridiculous argument by people with an agendaOct 13 00:56
schestowitz-TR2a truck for every familyOct 13 00:56
schestowitz-TR2just in case they need to move homesOct 13 00:56
schestowitz-TR2then they can use the family truckOct 13 00:56
psydruidI used different DEs on different hardwareOct 13 00:56
schestowitz-TR2I used 4 different ones at the moment, even 5Oct 13 00:56
schestowitz-TR2if you count the pi machine behind meOct 13 00:56
schestowitz-TR2visible in the videosOct 13 00:57
psydruidone works better on one machine and another better on another machineOct 13 00:57
schestowitz-TR2KDE4, Plasma5, GNOME, XFCE, LXDEOct 13 00:57
psydruidwith one-size-fits-all like Vista 10 I could throw them all in the binOct 13 00:57
psydruidbecause it runs like crap on most of the machinesOct 13 00:57
schestowitz-TR2sometimes I need a particular application or task which works better in some particular envOct 13 00:57
schestowitz-TR2for the pi server I need something very very thinOct 13 00:58
psydruidI run fluxbox or windowmaker on my (non-raspberry) piOct 13 00:58
psydruidbut mostly it's just sshOct 13 00:58
psydruidon this one MATE seems to work best for some reasonOct 13 00:59
psydruidit feels faster than even XFCEOct 13 00:59
schestowitz-TR2fluxbox is  hardly used anymoreOct 13 01:00
schestowitz-TR2when was the last fluxbox release?Oct 13 01:00
psydruidI have no idea, but I use it to conserve resourcesOct 13 01:01
schestowitz6 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FluxboxOct 13 01:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Fluxbox - WikipediaOct 13 01:01
psydruidwhen everything goes to crap, I'd rather run something that is lightweightOct 13 01:01
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techrights-newsIs #OSEImmunotherapeutics aware of the collapse of #patent quality of the #EPO h Has it been paying attention? https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20211010005016/en/OSE-Immunotherapeutics-Receives-New-European-Patent-Notice-of-Allowance-for-Tedopi%C2%AE see http://techrights.org/2017/10/17/detrimental-effect-on-european-patents/Oct 13 01:03
altlink_6fa📣 Cloudflare: businesswire.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20211010005016/en/OSE-Immunotherapeutics-Receives-New-European-Patent-Notice-of-Allowance-for-Tedopi%C2%AEOct 13 01:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businesswire.com | OSE Immunotherapeutics Receives New European Patent Notice of Allowance for Tedopi® | Business WireOct 13 01:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | SUEPO Representatives Like Elizabeth Hardon Vindicated as Battistelli’s Detrimental Effect on Patent Quality is Widely Confirmed | TechrightsOct 13 01:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | OSE Immunotherapeutics Receives New European Patent Notice of Allowance for Tedopi® | Business WireOct 13 01:03
techrights-news#cat https://i.redd.it/r38tjf7ianq71.jpgOct 13 01:03
techrights-newsFull Circle Weekly News #231 https://fullcirclemagazine.org/podcast/full-circle-weekly-news-231/ #gnu #linuxOct 13 01:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fullcirclemagazine.org | Full Circle Weekly News #231 | Full Circle MagazineOct 13 01:04
techrights-newsThe EPO’s Overseer/Overseen Collusion — Part X: Introducing the Controversial Christian Bock http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/swiss-christian-bock/ #switzerland #ch #christianbock #epo #patentsOct 13 01:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s Overseer/Overseen Collusion — Part X: Introducing the Controversial Christian Bock | TechrightsOct 13 01:08
DaemonFCMost XFCE distros are being packed full of GNOME parts.Oct 13 01:09
DaemonFCSo it's actually a lot heavier than KDE now on most distributions.Oct 13 01:09
techrights-newsUnqualified Managers and Demoralising Leadership in Switzerland (Like in EPO) http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/switzerland-christian-bock/ #switzerland #ch #christianbock #epo #patentsOct 13 01:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Unqualified Managers and Demoralising Leadership in Switzerland (Like in EPO) | TechrightsOct 13 01:11
DaemonFCschestowitz, JWZ made the accusation that GNOME stole his XScreenSaver code, changed the BSD license to "GPL", and then removed his name from it and said copyright some other guy.Oct 13 01:14
techrights-news#Kubuntu Focus XE is the perfect laptop for Windows-switchers and Linux beginners [Review] • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156709 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 01:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kubuntu Focus XE is the perfect laptop for Windows-switchers and Linux beginners [Review] | Tux MachinesOct 13 01:15
DaemonFCBy extension, Cinnamon and MATE got it as well during the forks.Oct 13 01:15
techrights-news#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156708 #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 01:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesOct 13 01:15
schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: reuse is OKOct 13 01:15
schestowitz-TR2even encouragedOct 13 01:16
DaemonFCStripping someone's copyright is not allowed under the BSD license.Oct 13 01:16
schestowitz-TR2without it, we have junk like systemdOct 13 01:16
DaemonFCMuch less claiming someone else wrote it.Oct 13 01:16
schestowitz-TR2that nobody can truly forkOct 13 01:16
DaemonFCIt's about the only way you can violate a BSD license.Oct 13 01:16
techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▄▄▅▅▄▅▄▅▃▅▃▅▃▄▃▆▄▅▆▅▆▇▅▄▅▅▄▅▆▃▄▂▅█▄▁ avg(k/sec) 21.73 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▃▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▂▂▁▁▂▃▂▁▂▂▂▂▃▂▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▁ avg(k/sec) 6.05▕ swarm size (avg): 260.92  ⟲Oct 13 01:19
schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: can you proof-read in a mo?Oct 13 01:22
schestowitz-TR2it's about fake securityOct 13 01:22
techrights-news[Meme] [Teaser] Swiss Rumbustious Alpha-Rambos http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/swiss-rambos/ #switzerland #ch #christianbock #epo #patentsOct 13 01:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] [Teaser] Swiss Rumbustious Alpha-Rambos | TechrightsOct 13 01:24
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schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: it is about security theatreOct 13 01:30
techrights-newsMonster Crown is the next-generation of retro monster catching out now | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/monster-crown-is-the-next-generation-of-retro-monster-catching-out-now ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧Oct 13 01:33
altlink_420📣 Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/monster-crown-is-the-next-generation-of-retro-monster-catching-out-nowOct 13 01:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monster Crown is the next-generation of retro monster catching out now | GamingOnLinuxOct 13 01:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/monster-crown-is-the-next-generation-of-retro-monster-catching-out-now )Oct 13 01:33
techrights-newsSeems very off-topic for this site. Celebrating VERY PROPRIETARY hardware. https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/amd-celebrates-5-years-of-ryzen-a-zen-3-refresh-with-3d-v-cache-due-in-2022Oct 13 01:35
altlink_420📣 Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/amd-celebrates-5-years-of-ryzen-a-zen-3-refresh-with-3d-v-cache-due-in-2022Oct 13 01:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMD celebrates 5 years of Ryzen, a Zen 3 refresh with 3D V-Cache due in 2022 | GamingOnLinuxOct 13 01:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/amd-celebrates-5-years-of-ryzen-a-zen-3-refresh-with-3d-v-cache-due-in-2022 )Oct 13 01:35
DaemonFCYeah.Oct 13 01:36
DaemonFCLink?Oct 13 01:36
schestowitz-TR2thanks!Oct 13 01:36
schestowitz-TR2hand onOct 13 01:36
schestowitz-TR2hangOct 13 01:36
techrights-newsIs #FirefoxSuggest Stealing Your Key Strokes? - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=A9aLsz1fUc4 ䷉ #video #mozilla #firefoxOct 13 01:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Is Firefox Suggest Stealing Your Key Strokes? - InvidiousOct 13 01:37
techrights-newsYou don’t NEED the command line to use Linux, but you SHOULD use it! - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=aiPthUAIYBg ䷉ #video #invidious #gnu #linuxOct 13 01:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | You don't NEED the command line to use Linux, but you SHOULD use it! - InvidiousOct 13 01:38
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR2, "The Microsoft Press continues to "WSL" on us, but the question remains, why would you want to take a highly reliable OS and run it as a Guest on Windows?"Oct 13 01:38
schestowitzDaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/citation-fake-security/Oct 13 01:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Citation/Atlas ‘Security’ Exam is a Total Farce, But It’s Still Good for Entertainment Purposes | TechrightsOct 13 01:38
schestowitzdraft/crudeOct 13 01:38
DaemonFCIt's been WSL this and CBL-Mariner that from OMG MSFT Joey, SJVN, and Michael Larabel.Oct 13 01:38
schestowitzI'm sure you will find errorsOct 13 01:38
schestowitzDaemonFC: yes, exactly those three,. plus Brad LinderOct 13 01:39
schestowitzLiliputingOct 13 01:39
schestowitzand CNX SoftwareOct 13 01:39
DaemonFCI ran into a CBL-Mariner one on Phoronix the other day.Oct 13 01:39
schestowitzit's oldOct 13 01:39
DaemonFCHe's an advertisement for Windows now.Oct 13 01:39
schestowitzthey pretend it's newOct 13 01:39
schestowitzlike "clear Linux'Oct 13 01:39
schestowitzhow did that crap from Intel work out?Oct 13 01:39
schestowitznobody uses it, like WSLOct 13 01:39
schestowitzDaemonFC: some people told me all that clear linux stuff from phoronix was spamOct 13 01:40
DaemonFCWell, considering that Phoronix ran the benchmark suit recently and Clear Linux got its ass handed to it by Ubuntu 21.10.....Oct 13 01:40
schestowitzmaybe intel paid him to pretend intel distro was a 'thing'Oct 13 01:40
DaemonFCIt seems like the days of Intel being out ahead of other GNU/Linux distros with optimizations for their computers are over.Oct 13 01:40
schestowitzclear linux will dieOct 13 01:40
schestowitzlike oher intel OSesOct 13 01:40
schestowitzinc RTOSsesOct 13 01:40
schestowitzthat flounder and get shelved in LFOct 13 01:40
schestowitzto pretend to be vendor-neutralOct 13 01:41
schestowitzthey also tried some mobile ones for AtomyOct 13 01:41
schestowitz*AtomyOct 13 01:41
schestowitz->AtomOct 13 01:41
schestowitzthe deam processor familyOct 13 01:41
schestowitz*dead AtomOct 13 01:41
schestowitznever got off the groundOct 13 01:41
DaemonFC“education” themOct 13 01:41
DaemonFCeducateOct 13 01:41
schestowitz-TR2thanks, amendedOct 13 01:42
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR2, I'm moving 2FA over to GNOME Authenticator (with Google Authenticator as backup).Oct 13 01:43
DaemonFCBut some still requires a phone number, including my banks.Oct 13 01:43
DaemonFCBut I'm trying to move as much of this mess away from being tied to a phone number as I can.Oct 13 01:43
schestowitz-TR2yeahOct 13 01:43
schestowitz-TR2fallbacks do existOct 13 01:43
DaemonFC"even outright lies?"Oct 13 01:45
DaemonFCand evenOct 13 01:45
DaemonFC"At almost random"Oct 13 01:45
DaemonFCAlmost at randomOct 13 01:45
DaemonFC"At the end, one is required to lie or say what they expect you to say in order to pass the test (which I did)."Oct 13 01:46
DaemonFCNo mistakes, but are you sure this isn't the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory?Oct 13 01:46
DaemonFC:)Oct 13 01:46
DaemonFC"I LIKE TO SET FIRES!"Oct 13 01:46
DaemonFCUhm, strongly disagree. Yeah, they're going to put me in a straight jacket if I say "Yeah, you're goddamned right I do! And I like to blow shit up too!".Oct 13 01:47
DaemonFC"aren’t as terrible than"Oct 13 01:48
DaemonFCterrible asOct 13 01:48
DaemonFC"‘training’ as"Oct 13 01:48
DaemonFC'training', asOct 13 01:48
DaemonFC"outrageous fallacies"Oct 13 01:49
DaemonFCmissing full stopOct 13 01:49
DaemonFC"ARE CRIMINALS A THREAT?".Oct 13 01:50
DaemonFCIs how that should go.Oct 13 01:50
DaemonFCAnd yes... CRIMINALS BAD! CRIMINALS BAAAAD!Oct 13 01:50
DaemonFC"No mention of “weakened” (i.e. fake) encryption."Oct 13 01:52
DaemonFCIn some ways, the NSA improved Triple DES, but only to the point where it would have been trivial for others in 1995 or soon after to break it.Oct 13 01:53
DaemonFCI get emails that say my LinkedIn was accessed.Oct 13 01:54
DaemonFCI don't even have one, although someone I dated who has a criminal arrest warrant active does.Oct 13 01:54
DaemonFCHe works for Doordash now.Oct 13 01:54
schestowitz-TR2:-)Oct 13 01:55
DaemonFCHis resume is basically a string of jobs he had for several weeks and a bus driving job where he faked a worker's comp accident.Oct 13 01:55
techrights-news#Citation /Atlas #Security Exam is a Total Farce, But It's Still Good for Entertainment Purposes http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/citation-fake-security/ #SecurityTheatre #fakesecurity #indoctrinationOct 13 01:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Citation/Atlas ‘Security’ Exam is a Total Farce, But It’s Still Good for Entertainment Purposes | TechrightsOct 13 01:56
DaemonFCWindows key plus L locks the screen on GNOME and KDE as well.Oct 13 01:56
DaemonFCMight as well use them for something people probably already remember.Oct 13 01:56
schestowitz-TR2ctrl+altOct 13 01:57
schestowitz-TR2now windows keyOct 13 01:57
schestowitz-TR2last I checkedOct 13 01:57
schestowitz-TR2some machines do not have such a keyOct 13 01:57
schestowitz-TR2inc. "mac" PCsOct 13 01:57
DaemonFCSwitching VPN servers when this happens, usually.Oct 13 01:58
DaemonFCTrying to get my downloads going again.Oct 13 01:58
DaemonFCIt seems the servers get randomly congested and start slowing me down sometimes.Oct 13 01:59
DaemonFCNordVPN is obviously slowing down Bittorrent.Oct 13 01:59
DaemonFCYou do anything else and it's almost the speed of your underlying connection.Oct 13 01:59
DaemonFCYou download a torrent and it's like 1-1.5 MB/sOct 13 01:59
schestowitz-TR2lowOct 13 02:00
schestowitz-TR2relatively speakingOct 13 02:00
schestowitz-TR2for mbitOct 13 02:00
schestowitz-TR2I assume you mean MbitOct 13 02:00
schestowitz-TR2broadban companies and ISPs exploit a misconceptionOct 13 02:00
schestowitz-TR2so it means it look or sound 8 times fasterOct 13 02:01
DaemonFCMiBOct 13 02:01
schestowitz-TR2almost a whole order of magnitudeOct 13 02:01
DaemonFCYes, worse than hard drive companies.Oct 13 02:01
schestowitz-TR2they go down to bitsOct 13 02:01
schestowitz-TR2binaryOct 13 02:01
DaemonFC"Antivirus software is a must have for anyone with a computer."Oct 13 02:01
DaemonFCIf it runs Windows.Oct 13 02:02
techrights-newsToday in #Techrights • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156710 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 02:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesOct 13 02:02
DaemonFC"Did I learn something from this course? Absolutely nothing. But I got some giggles. Many millions of people are constantly subjected to this kind of propaganda, which sometimes seems more like marketing than actual education."Oct 13 02:02
DaemonFCReminds me of those bankruptcy lessons you have to take that everyone passes.Oct 13 02:03
DaemonFCYou ended up $100,000 in the hole because you didn't turn your laundry inside out before you washed it.Oct 13 02:03
schestowitz-TR2[02:02] <DaemonFC> If it runs Windows.Oct 13 02:03
schestowitz-TR2I left out that bitOct 13 02:03
schestowitz-TR2I noticed itOct 13 02:03
*leah has quit (connection closed)Oct 13 02:03
schestowitz-TR2that is arguableOct 13 02:03
*leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrightsOct 13 02:03
schestowitz-TR2some might tell you, do the same for other OSesOct 13 02:03
schestowitz-TR2I can dispute thatOct 13 02:04
schestowitz-TR2mostly along the lines of, the AV is proprietaryOct 13 02:04
DaemonFCI have never used antivirus on another OS.Oct 13 02:04
schestowitz-TR2but then you're like a free software 'purist'Oct 13 02:04
schestowitz-TR2which is a whole different debateOct 13 02:04
schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: now they push these to android usersOct 13 02:04
schestowitz-TR2at the storesOct 13 02:04
schestowitz-TR2and ISPs do the sameOct 13 02:04
DaemonFCMostly nobody bothers writing viruses for "Linux" aside from targeting the one in particular that runs in WSL, as a way to exploit Windows.Oct 13 02:04
DaemonFCSo now we're back to Windows again.Oct 13 02:04
schestowitz-TR2"do you want our security package"Oct 13 02:04
schestowitz-TR2they sell security as addon or another productOct 13 02:05
schestowitz-TR2like airlines do with meals nowOct 13 02:05
techrights-news#Games: Monster Crown, Elsinore, Warzone 2100, GameCIH APK v3.0.4 • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156711 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 02:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Monster Crown, Elsinore, Warzone 2100, GameCIH APK v3.0.4 | Tux MachinesOct 13 02:05
DaemonFCThere have been several actual "Linux" viruses, but even Wikipedia struggles to name any that did serious damage.Oct 13 02:05
schestowitz-TR2ryanair thought about charging people to use toilets on the planeOct 13 02:05
schestowitz-TR2if you don't have money, poop in the flightOct 13 02:05
DaemonFCI think the worst one ever affected some versions of Red Hat Linux in the mid 2000s or something.Oct 13 02:05
schestowitz-TR2things stick rather quicklyOct 13 02:06
schestowitz-TR2and you realise it's a bad ideaOct 13 02:06
DaemonFCWhen you aren't attacking a known target, I mean come on.Oct 13 02:06
schestowitz-TR2I once read about people defacating in the flight, but cannot remember the context any longerOct 13 02:06
DaemonFCYou have no idea that it will work as intended. Easier to go after operating systems that are all basically the same thing, like Windows versions, and Macs.Oct 13 02:06
schestowitz-TR2*defecatingOct 13 02:06
DaemonFCMany of them share the same vulnerabilities going back decades.Oct 13 02:06
schestowitz-TR2yeahOct 13 02:07
schestowitz-TR2but that's an asideOct 13 02:07
schestowitz-TR2this 'course' is funnyOct 13 02:07
schestowitz-TR2I didn't even show many other partsOct 13 02:07
DaemonFCYou want to write a "Linux virus", good luck.Oct 13 02:07
schestowitz-TR2with buzzwords like "vishing"Oct 13 02:07
DaemonFCYou will need to target it at a particular version of a particular distribution.Oct 13 02:07
MinceRor you can just target systemdOct 13 02:07
DaemonFCWhen people notice it, they'll patch. The patch will be out quickly and they'll be running the patch before you can get any critical mass.Oct 13 02:08
schestowitz-TR2you can write linux malwareOct 13 02:08
schestowitz-TR2but getting people to actually run it is hardOct 13 02:08
schestowitz-TR2to send itOct 13 02:08
schestowitz-TR2and then get them to run itOct 13 02:08
schestowitz-TR2esp. as rootOct 13 02:08
schestowitz-TR2viruses are not malwareOct 13 02:08
schestowitz-TR2they spread themselvesOct 13 02:08
MinceRwhatOct 13 02:08
DaemonFCnordvpn runs as root.Oct 13 02:08
schestowitz-TR2on linux it is hardOct 13 02:08
DaemonFCI saw that and I wasn't really too happy about it.Oct 13 02:08
schestowitz-TR2most vpns need rootOct 13 02:09
schestowitz-TR2openvpnOct 13 02:09
schestowitz-TR2ipsecOct 13 02:09
schestowitz-TR2strongswanOct 13 02:09
schestowitz-TR2they alter your network stackOct 13 02:09
DaemonFCYes, to manage the wireguard interface.Oct 13 02:09
schestowitz-TR2don't be alarmedOct 13 02:09
schestowitz-TR2but be sure not to use dodgy vpn s/wOct 13 02:09
DaemonFCSome of them are definitely much more questionable than NordVPN.Oct 13 02:10
DaemonFCIt's getting mainstream.Oct 13 02:10
DaemonFCThey sell NordVPN gift cards at Best Buy now.Oct 13 02:10
schestowitz-TR2wget [some options]  [vpn company url] | sudo sh -Oct 13 02:10
schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: nord will be sold nextOct 13 02:10
schestowitz-TR2ensure they don't logOct 13 02:10
DaemonFCWhy do you think I didn't buy a 2 or 3 year subscription?Oct 13 02:11
schestowitz      <li>Oct 13 02:11
schestowitz        <h5><a href="https://torrentfreak.com/vpn-service-will-block-bittorrent-and-keep-logs-to-settle-piracy-lawsuit-211011/">VPN Service 'Agrees' to Block BitTorrent and Keep Logs to Settle Piracy Lawsuit (Updated)</a></h5>Oct 13 02:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-VPN Service 'Agrees' to Block BitTorrent and Keep Logs to Settle Piracy Lawsuit (Updated) * TorrentFreakOct 13 02:11
schestowitz        <blockquote>Oct 13 02:11
schestowitz          <p>VPN.ht has settled a copyright infringement lawsuit filed by a group of independent movie companies earlier this year. As part of the deal, the VPN agreed to block all BitTorrent traffic and log IP-address information on its US servers. While this a controversial order, VPN.ht says that users are still protected as the company will stop using US servers.</p></blockquote></li>Oct 13 02:11
schestowitzyesterday ^^Oct 13 02:11
schestowitz-TR2vpn companies can become honeypotsOct 13 02:12
schestowitz-TR2and they won't tell youOct 13 02:12
schestowitz-TR2that might even be their business modelOct 13 02:12
schestowitz-TR2snitching chokepoints on holdOct 13 02:12
schestowitz-TR2then comes kape with paydayOct 13 02:12
schestowitz-TR2for PIA/LeeOct 13 02:12
techrights-news#Sinclair Pocket TV Teardown | Hackaday ⚓ https://hackaday.com/2021/10/11/sinclair-pocket-tv-teardown/ ䷉ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/10/13/#latestOct 13 02:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sinclair Pocket TV Teardown | HackadayOct 13 02:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media PostsOct 13 02:13
DaemonFChttps://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/13/a-tale-of-two-kde-distributions-kubuntu-21-10-and-debian-11-gnu-linux/Oct 13 02:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | A tale of two KDE distributions. Kubuntu 21.10 and Debian 11 GNU/Linux. – BaronHK's RantsOct 13 02:13
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR2, Thoughts?Oct 13 02:13
schestowitz-TR2will readOct 13 02:14
schestowitz-TR2will report as I read/copyOct 13 02:14
MinceR13 031050 < schestowitz-TR2> ensure they don't logOct 13 02:14
MinceRit's pointless to use a VPN service that logs in the first placeOct 13 02:14
schestowitz-TR2tell that to their average client..Oct 13 02:16
schestowitz-TR2they think THIS company is "OK"Oct 13 02:16
DaemonFCKubuntu 8.04 LTS had a KDE 4 ISO, but if you did that, you'd end up with a terribly broken mess, and no LTS.Oct 13 02:17
techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▆▅▅▄▅▃▃▅▆▇▇▅▄▅▇▇▅▅▄▅▅▅▄▃▄▄▆▃▆▄▅▁ avg(k/sec) 26.48 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▂▂▄▃▁▂▁▁▂▂▂▂▁▁▂▂▂▂▂▁▁▂▁▂▃▁▁▁▁▂▂▂▃▁▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 6.73▕ swarm size (avg): 260.91  ⟲Oct 13 02:18
DaemonFCI thought it was amusing that they were one of the few distributions who decided to stay back and patch KDE 3 up some more to hold them over for a cycle.Oct 13 02:18
DaemonFCFedora went right ahead and packaged KDE 4.0.3 and it was terrible.Oct 13 02:18
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/784691.jpgOct 13 02:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20211013012124/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/784691.jpg )Oct 13 02:21
schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: glad you like kdeOct 13 02:23
schestowitz-TR2no typos spotted thus farOct 13 02:23
schestowitz-TR2stil no typos foundOct 13 02:26
schestowitz-TR2just "..." without trailing spaceOct 13 02:26
techrights-newsA Tale of Two #KDE Distributions: Kubuntu 21.10 and Debian 11 GNU/Linux • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/kubuntu-21-10-vs-debian-11/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/12/kubuntu-21-10-vs-debian-11/Oct 13 02:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Tale of Two KDE Distributions: Kubuntu 21.10 and Debian 11 GNU/Linux | TechrightsOct 13 02:26
*schestowitz-TR2 gemifyingOct 13 02:26
schestowitz-TR2the daily bulletin's cuttoff is 10 mins from nowOct 13 02:27
schestowitz-TR2brb coffe+snackOct 13 02:27
schestowitz-TR2*eeOct 13 02:27
DaemonFChttps://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/13/excuse-me-your-memory-is-leaking-gnome-software-running-in-the-background-taking-hundreds-of-mb-of-ram/Oct 13 02:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Excuse me, your memory is leaking. GNOME Software running in the background, taking hundreds of MB of RAM. – BaronHK's RantsOct 13 02:34
DaemonFCMinceR, ^Oct 13 02:36
schestowitz-TR2that explains a lotOct 13 02:36
DaemonFCI included the error messages from JWZ's Mac.Oct 13 02:36
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DaemonFCschestowitz-TR2, Remember how the Linux developers framed their interactions with Hans Reiser?Oct 13 02:38
techrights-news#clownflare : "imagine if it was a Chinese company" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-121021.html#tOct%2012%2010:26:29Oct 13 02:38
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DaemonFCTo make it look like he was "abusing volunteer reviewers".Oct 13 02:39
DaemonFCThey made it sound like the people reviewing the code going into Linux are unpaid or something.Oct 13 02:39
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techrights-news"...it's alarming as hell all of those discord/slack/whatever sites people chat on...." http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-121021.html#tOct%2012%2013:52:32Oct 13 02:39
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schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: they're not volunteersOct 13 02:40
schestowitz-TR2very few linux hackers do it for no payOct 13 02:40
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schestowitz-TR2maybe less than 10%Oct 13 02:40
schestowitz-TR2kernel hackers are paid a LOTOct 13 02:40
schestowitz-TR2by evil companies mostlyOct 13 02:40
schestowitz-TR2sad to say...Oct 13 02:40
DaemonFCThe percentage has dropped dramatically over the decades.Oct 13 02:40
schestowitz-TR2KDE is a different storyOct 13 02:40
DaemonFCStarted out, almost everyone was a volunteer.Oct 13 02:40
schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: no wonderOct 13 02:41
DaemonFCThen by the end of the 90s, maybe half?Oct 13 02:41
schestowitz-TR2with CoC and stuff controlled by Intel et alOct 13 02:41
schestowitz-TR2Zemlin steals the labourOct 13 02:41
DaemonFCThen by 2010, perhaps 10-15%.Oct 13 02:41
schestowitz-TR2monetises decades of volunteers' workOct 13 02:41
schestowitz-TR2recently I was comparing, repeatedly, zemlin to bakerOct 13 02:42
schestowitz-TR2similar exploitationOct 13 02:42
schestowitz-TR2by the totally cluelessOct 13 02:42
DaemonFCThey want to shove kdbugs in there and call it a day and then argue if Linux really needs a floppy disk driver that is a few KB of well tested code.Oct 13 02:42
schestowitz-TR2the world is run by themOct 13 02:42
schestowitz-TR2the media celebrates themOct 13 02:42
DaemonFCMinceR, ^Oct 13 02:42
techrights-news✩░▒▓▆▅▃▂▁𝐁𝐔𝐋𝐋𝐄𝐓𝐈𝐍▁▂▃▅▆▓▒░✩ Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! 🅷🆃🆃🅿: http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-10-12.txt | 🅶🅴🅼🅸🅽🅸 gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2021-10-12.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)Oct 13 02:42
schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: then dump 500,000 LOCs of AMD driversOct 13 02:42
schestowitz-TR2for proprietary hardwareOct 13 02:42
DaemonFCAll of the kernel source is compressed. It compresses down to almsot nothing for a driver such as that.Oct 13 02:43
schestowitz-TR2when I say dump I mean sink into the kernelOct 13 02:43
schestowitz-TR2no audit, nothing..Oct 13 02:43
schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: 4 articles of yours in the bulletinsOct 13 02:43
DaemonFCWell, the proprietary driver is actually slower than the one that comes with Mesa and the kernel.Oct 13 02:43
DaemonFCI'm told you install the proprietary one to get "Certified" OpenGL drivers.Oct 13 02:44
DaemonFCWhich....run slower.Oct 13 02:44
DaemonFCIn fact, the "Certified" drivers are probably less compliant than the open source ones.Oct 13 02:45
DaemonFCThe conformance tests they put the open source stack through is really quite good.Oct 13 02:45
techrights-news"Each 3D-printed pin is controlled with a solenoid, all of which are driven by a single Arduino." https://hackaday.com/2021/10/12/the-beauty-of-dance-seen-through-the-power-of-touch/Oct 13 02:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Beauty Of Dance, Seen Through The Power Of Touch | HackadayOct 13 02:47
schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: the hardware may be "open"Oct 13 02:47
schestowitz-TR2i.e. some code dump on shithubOct 13 02:48
schestowitz-TR2but the hardware is nowOct 13 02:48
schestowitz-TR2*notOct 13 02:48
schestowitz-TR2so it is borderline openwashingOct 13 02:48
schestowitz-TR2like saying "shim" is openOct 13 02:48
schestowitz-TR2not freeOct 13 02:48
schestowitz-TR2and what it does is, that gives Microsoft's proprietary back end control over youOct 13 02:48
schestowitz-TR2via 'your' computerOct 13 02:48
schestowitz-TR2so we need to be careful with the termsOct 13 02:48
schestowitz-TR2system is also shithub code dumpOct 13 02:48
schestowitz-TR2of IBM mostlyOct 13 02:49
schestowitz-TR2*systemdOct 13 02:49
DaemonFCIt's possible to understand what it does, but it's far too large.Oct 13 02:49
DaemonFCThe whole point is it's large and lots of things need it.Oct 13 02:49
schestowitz-TR2we have code dumps alsoOct 13 02:49
DaemonFCThen they can keep it really buggy and sell "support" and "training".Oct 13 02:49
schestowitzgemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/tr-git/Desktop-Utils/Oct 13 02:50
schestowitzI am probably the only user of these toolsOct 13 02:50
schestowitzso they're messyOct 13 02:50
schestowitzno incentive yet to tidy those upOct 13 02:50
DaemonFC20 million lines of code in systemd.Oct 13 02:50
schestowitz-TR2I think it's 2 millionOct 13 02:50
DaemonFCIt still hangs on reboot like it has on all of my systems since it first came out.Oct 13 02:50
DaemonFCNot all the time. Not a lot. Just enough to be aggravating when it does.Oct 13 02:51
DaemonFCThen you have to hammer ctrl-alt-delete.Oct 13 02:51
DaemonFC"Lennart Poettering continues being the most prolific contributor to systemd with more than 32% of the commits so far this year."Oct 13 02:57
DaemonFCLOLOct 13 02:57
schestowitz-TR2not sure why, the latest videos page in gemini shows an empty list, I reran the bash script and now it's OK. Maybe the site timed out earlier. Maybe the perl version is used now instead? crontab shows bash.Oct 13 02:59
Techrights-secok will check the scriptOct 13 03:00
techrights-newsAggressive men tarnish the image of #Switzerland as a soft nation of peace; details tomorrow… • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/swiss-rambos/ ䷉ #Techrights #EPO #patents #ch | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/12/swiss-rambos/Oct 13 03:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] [Teaser] Swiss Rumbustious Alpha-Rambos | TechrightsOct 13 03:02
schestowitzSwitzerland’s media (what’s left of it) is currently looking into new scandals associated with #ChristianBock , who back in 2013 helped back the EPO’s illegal anti-strike regulations Unqualified Managers and Demoralising Leadership in Switzerland (Like in EPO) • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/switzerland-christian-bock/ ䷉ #Techrights #EPO #patents #chOct 13 03:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Unqualified Managers and Demoralising Leadership in Switzerland (Like in EPO) | TechrightsOct 13 03:02
techrights-newsWhat are people being taught about so-called ‘security’? Might that explain so many #security breaches? (Poor training, wrong assumptions) • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/citation-fake-security/ ䷉ #Techrights #Citation #FakeSecurity #SecurityTheatre | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/12/citation-fake-security/Oct 13 03:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Citation/Atlas ‘Security’ Exam is a Total Farce, But It’s Still Good for Entertainment Purposes | TechrightsOct 13 03:03
techrights-newsRyan F: "I recently tried out Debian 11 with #KDE on my #Lenovo Yoga 900 ISK2 laptop." • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/kubuntu-21-10-vs-debian-11/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/12/kubuntu-21-10-vs-debian-11/Oct 13 03:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Tale of Two KDE Distributions: Kubuntu 21.10 and Debian 11 GNU/Linux | TechrightsOct 13 03:04
techrights-newsAn enabler of #BenoîtBattistelli , who illegally brought #firearms to the #EPO , very recently had a firearms-related scandal in his home country • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/10/12/swiss-christian-bock/ ䷉ #Techrights | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/12/swiss-christian-bock/Oct 13 03:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s Overseer/Overseen Collusion — Part X: Introducing the Controversial Christian Bock | TechrightsOct 13 03:05
Techrights-secThe shell script is a wrapper that calls wget and the perl script, so it isOct 13 03:07
Techrights-secthe one that should get run.  However, there is a weakness in regards toOct 13 03:07
Techrights-sectimeouts.  Oct 13 03:07
Techrights-secI've added more delay between retries, that should help should a timeoutOct 13 03:07
Techrights-secoccur again.Oct 13 03:07
Techrights-secmjg and his felow paid trolls whining again.  nothing to see there. nothing newOct 13 03:07
techrights-news"Fires this year have burned hundreds of giant sequoia trees. That would be around .1% to .2% of the total. Given their life spans, this many per year, continued in the long term, can easily wipe them out. Along with hundreds of other species." https://stallman.org/archives/2021-jul-oct.html#12_October_2021_%28Giant_sequoia_trees%29Oct 13 03:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2021: July - October Political Notes - Richard StallmanOct 13 03:11
techrights-news#google updates its largest #malware https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2021/10/12/google-releases-security-updates-chromeOct 13 03:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-us-cert.cisa.gov | Google Releases Security Updates for Chrome | CISAOct 13 03:12
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techrights-newsNew: "In this video, we are looking at how to install #Audacity on Linux Lite 5.4." Not just #linuxlite https://yewtu.be/watch?v=hI_kuIN9PqcOct 13 03:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | How to install Audacity on Linux Lite 5.4 - InvidiousOct 13 03:16
techrights-news#HowTo listen to podcasts on the #GNU #Linux desktop with #CPod ⚓ https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/podcasts-linux-cpod/Oct 13 03:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.addictivetips.com | How to listen to podcasts on the Linux desktop with CPodOct 13 03:17
techrights-newsYour latest and greatest #NSA back doors are ready for (IMPOSED) download. https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2021/10/12/microsoft-releases-october-2021-security-updates #microsoft #windows http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSAOct 13 03:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-us-cert.cisa.gov | Microsoft Releases October 2021 Security Updates | CISAOct 13 03:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - TechrightsOct 13 03:18
AdmFubarHA! You think people that buy into NFT's are getting taken..   https://www.protocol.com/china/virtual-idols-metaverse-chinaOct 13 03:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Virtual idols are a hot commodity in China - Protocol — The people, power and politics of techOct 13 03:19
techrights-news#slashdot runs overtime shilling #windows #vista Service Pack '11', even in the "LINUX" section. #wsl2 is dead, but Microsoft milks it for googlebombing the competition http://techrights.org/2020/05/06/wsl2-usage-numbers/Oct 13 03:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Only About 150,000 People Worldwide Use WSL2 (Windows Subsystem for Linux) | TechrightsOct 13 03:19
schestowitz-TR2AdmFubar: people got desperateOct 13 03:19
schestowitz-TR2now living up fantasiesOct 13 03:19
schestowitz-TR2"i'm a bitcoin billionaire"Oct 13 03:19
schestowitz-TR2"I'm the forgotten king of korea"Oct 13 03:20
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*activelow just caught up with the backlog of last nightOct 13 03:20
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activelowhere is my argument, concerning "choice", and desktop environments: often it is *fake* choice, most of them providen the *same* with some wallpaper and icons changedOct 13 03:21
techrights-newsEveryone shilling #wsl2 right now is in fact either paid by #microsoft or a 'useful idiot' pushing #vista11 PR, not realising it's practically an ATTACK on #gnu linuxOct 13 03:21
activelowwhich is both, a waste of precious development time and efforts, confusing users, and benefts nooneOct 13 03:21
activeloweven worse, almost all modern desktop environments are poisoned with specific extensions (such as, systemd), and no choice remaining with any of themOct 13 03:22
techrights-newsHelp Us Find the Apps That Sell Your Location https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/10/07/help-us-find-the-apps-that-sell-your-location #Privacy #SurveillanceOct 13 03:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-themarkup.org | Help Us Find the Apps That Sell Your Location – The MarkupOct 13 03:23
techrights-news#FreeSoftware Is Even More Important Now https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-even-more-important.html #Privacy #Surveillance #RMSOct 13 03:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | Free Software Is Even More Important Now - GNU Project - Free Software FoundationOct 13 03:23
schestowitz-TR2activelow: not allOct 13 03:25
schestowitz-TR2the main onesOct 13 03:25
schestowitz-TR2notably gnome/ibmOct 13 03:25
activelowby coincidence i reviewed many, to verify which of them do NOT rely on systemd/dbusOct 13 03:26
techrights-news"CoC-compliant" = big business-friendly. Monopolies-friendly, too. Yes, criticising companies that literally helped Hitler and profited from Hitler is in itself an abuse. Must defend Hitler's companies fend off critics... #censorship #fakeCommunitiesOct 13 03:27
activelowand gnome/mate/xfce isn't any choice to be made, same with kde, and most web browsersOct 13 03:27
techrights-newstoday’s hoiwtos • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156712 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 03:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's hoiwtos | Tux MachinesOct 13 03:27
schestowitz-TR2activelow: same for pulseaudioOct 13 03:28
schestowitz-TR2at least firefucksOct 13 03:28
techrights-news#gnu #taler and del banco central (Central Bank Digital Currency -- CBDC). https://taler.net/en/news/2021-10.htmlOct 13 03:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-taler.net | GNU TalerOct 13 03:29
activelowopenbox, i3, fvwm ... those are relatively clean, even lxde builds required some patches and fiddling together some pieces otherwise it was on the hitlist tooOct 13 03:29
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR2, I'm thinking about picking up a ThinkCentre Chromebox.Oct 13 03:30
activelowand this covers 99% of desktop environment deployments common with gnu/linux nowadays, 99% of fake-choices madeOct 13 03:30
DaemonFCIt's an older one. A 2016 Celeron 3205U with 4 GB of RAM.Oct 13 03:30
DaemonFCBut it should work fine once I wipe Chrome OS off of it and install GalliumOS.Oct 13 03:30
techrights-news#IBM burning money on PR stunts while laying off a lot of its staff https://hackaday.com/2021/10/11/ibm-attempts-an-uncrewed-atlantic-crossing-again/Oct 13 03:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IBM Attempts An Uncrewed Atlantic Crossing (Again) | HackadayOct 13 03:32
techrights-news"The sad thing is that a university's defending the freedom to state ones' opinions in a university should constitute news." https://stallman.org/archives/2021-jul-oct.html#12_October_2021_%28Academic_freedoms%29Oct 13 03:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2021: July - October Political Notes - Richard StallmanOct 13 03:33
techrights-news#Facebook Banned Me for Life Because I Help People Use It Less https://slate.com/technology/2021/10/facebook-unfollow-everything-cease-desist.html #fb #surveillance #addictionOct 13 03:35
altlink_420📣 Cloudflare: slate.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://slate.com/technology/2021/10/facebook-unfollow-everything-cease-desist.htmlOct 13 03:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slate.com | Facebook banned me for life because I created the tool Unfollow Everything.Oct 13 03:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Facebook banned me for life because I created the tool Unfollow Everything.Oct 13 03:35
techrights-newsThe only way to access #twitter (except through non-JS proxies/gateways) WITHOUT being bombarded by Twitter's unhealthy propaganda is to make browser windows very narrow. I'm not sure about "apps"; never used those... either way, VERY TOXIC site. And it's by design.Oct 13 03:37
techrights-news#adobe #ProprietarySoftware = #security dumpster fire https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2021/10/12/adobe-releases-security-updates-multiple-productsOct 13 03:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-us-cert.cisa.gov | Adobe Releases Security Updates for Multiple Products | CISAOct 13 03:38
techrights-news#apple "vulnerability to take control of an affected system. This vulnerability has been detected in exploits in the wild." So they could no longer sweep this 'bug door' under a rug. https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2021/10/12/apple-releases-security-update-address-cve-2021-30883Oct 13 03:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-us-cert.cisa.gov | Apple Releases Security Update to Address CVE-2021-30883 | CISAOct 13 03:39
techrights-news#Lithographs from M. E. Descourtilz’s *Atlas des Champignons* (1827) – The Public Domain Review ⚓ https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/atlas-des-champignons ䷉ #publicdomainreview #publicdomainOct 13 03:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-publicdomainreview.org | Lithographs from M. E. Descourtilz’s *Atlas des Champignons* (1827) – The Public Domain ReviewOct 13 03:40
techrights-newsJob ad (one person) as 'article' https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Red-Hat-New-2021-GPU-DeveloperOct 13 03:42
altlink_420📣 Cloudflare: phoronix.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Red-Hat-New-2021-GPU-DeveloperOct 13 03:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Red Hat Is Hiring Another Linux Developer To Work On GPU Hardware Enablement - PhoronixOct 13 03:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Red Hat Is Hiring Another Linux Developer To Work On GPU Hardware Enablement - PhoronixOct 13 03:42
schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: ^^Oct 13 03:42
schestowitz-TR2must be slow newsOct 13 03:42
schestowitz-TR2or someone's being rewardedOct 13 03:42
techrights-newsDonation campaign: "Framasoft, it’s also…" https://www.davidrevoy.com/article873/donation-campaign-framasoft-its-alsoOct 13 03:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.davidrevoy.com | Donation campaign: "Framasoft, it’s also…" - David RevoyOct 13 03:44
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR2, These people have no idea what they're selling.Oct 13 03:45
techrights-newsFork off, Ars Technica. Stop spamming "LINUX" with the #microsoft #googlebombing campaign. Didn't your main #microsoft operative got arrested for raping children? Oh, yes he did. http://techrights.org/2019/06/07/microsoft-peter-is-a-pedophile/Oct 13 03:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Peter is a Pedophile, Arrested Without Bail | TechrightsOct 13 03:45
DaemonFCIf they did, it could probably fetch more.Oct 13 03:45
DaemonFC$10-20 gets you all that and it can run a current distribution with XFCE.Oct 13 03:46
DaemonFCThat's cheaper than some of these non-x86 hobbyist systems.Oct 13 03:46
schestowitz-TR2SBCs are cheapOct 13 03:46
schestowitz-TR2but there are shortages nowOct 13 03:46
schestowitz-TR2so they say...Oct 13 03:46
schestowitz-TR2I did not try to order...Oct 13 03:46
schestowitz-TR2shortages = goodOct 13 03:47
schestowitz-TR2for the planetOct 13 03:47
schestowitz-TR2not so good for poor peopleOct 13 03:47
schestowitz-TR2as the prices go upOct 13 03:47
schestowitz-TR2demand/supply economicsOct 13 03:47
schestowitz-TR2maybe next year news will be so slow..Oct 13 03:47
schestowitz-TR2that phoronix will cover Red Hat hiresOct 13 03:47
DaemonFCThis laptop was pretty cheap considering all it has in it.Oct 13 03:47
schestowitz-TR2not job openingsOct 13 03:47
schestowitz-TR2like those patent "blogs"Oct 13 03:48
DaemonFCIntel has taken some rather big hits.Oct 13 03:48
activelowa typical intel box requires ~10x the amount of electricity of what is necessary, oftenOct 13 03:48
schestowitz-TR2where the news is, person x (low level) changes employerOct 13 03:48
schestowitz-TR2activelow: true alsoOct 13 03:48
schestowitz-TR2ime, 5-10 times moreOct 13 03:48
DaemonFCYou can improve Intel power consumption with powertop --auto-tune as a service.Oct 13 03:48
schestowitz-TR2not including GPUOct 13 03:48
DaemonFCLinux ships with most of the power management turned off, including on my Yoga 900 ISK2 from 2016.Oct 13 03:49
activelownot really, a cortex a53 quadcore can operate at ~5W, an intel box is ~50W-100WOct 13 03:49
activelowor moreOct 13 03:49
DaemonFCMine usually idles at about 2.5 watts if the screen is at the lowest brightness and there's no programs except GNOME running.Oct 13 03:50
DaemonFCThat's the new one.Oct 13 03:50
activelowwhich one exactly?Oct 13 03:50
DaemonFCThe older one uses about 3-4 watts under those circumstances.Oct 13 03:50
schestowitz-TR2sounds wrongOct 13 03:50
schestowitz-TR2the screen alone takes moreOct 13 03:50
schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: what are you actually measuring there?Oct 13 03:50
*gde33 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)Oct 13 03:51
DaemonFCBattery discharge report.Oct 13 03:51
schestowitz-TR2the screen does not run at 2.5 wattsOct 13 03:51
DaemonFCModern Intel systems have a way to turn off the link to the display when it has nothing to paint at the moment.Oct 13 03:51
activelowi was only referring to the main system, without peripherals attachedOct 13 03:52
DaemonFCIt's called panel self-refresh.Oct 13 03:52
schestowitz-TR2the backlight is still thereOct 13 03:52
DaemonFCThe most this thing can possibly draw is 25 watts for the CPU package.Oct 13 03:52
schestowitz-TR2flashlights take moreOct 13 03:53
DaemonFCAnd it's a quad core CPU with hyperthreading.Oct 13 03:53
DaemonFCAnd the package also has WiFi, Bluetooth, and the graphics chip.Oct 13 03:53
DaemonFCAs well as the display and SATA controller.Oct 13 03:53
schestowitz-TR2and that scales down to 2.5 INCLUDING monitor?Oct 13 03:53
schestowitz-TR2makes no senseOct 13 03:53
schestowitz-TR2and wifi alsoOct 13 03:53
DaemonFCIf you have the monitor on the lowest power setting, it can.Oct 13 03:54
schestowitz-TR2a tuner can take up moreOct 13 03:54
schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: maybe it tells you thatOct 13 03:54
schestowitz-TR2but that sounds bogusOct 13 03:54
DaemonFCIt's more common to see it at around 4-6 watts though.Oct 13 03:54
DaemonFCMaybe 10-12 watts if I'm browsing with Vivaldi.Oct 13 03:54
schestowitzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laptop#Central_processing_unitOct 13 03:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Laptop - WikipediaOct 13 03:54
activelowi did measure it with various equipment, long story short intel/amd reach power-comsumtion at the scale of up to 100x higher power draw in comparison to an ARM SBCOct 13 03:55
schestowitz"he fastest laptop processors top out at 56 watts of heat, while the fastest desktop processors top out at 150 watts."Oct 13 03:55
schestowitznowhere near what you saidOct 13 03:55
DaemonFCIt's not that different.Oct 13 03:55
DaemonFCWhen you measure performance per watt.Oct 13 03:55
DaemonFCEven the best ARM smartphones are only about as fast as a mid-range laptop from 10 years ago.Oct 13 03:55
schestowitz"The OLPC XO-3 can operate with 2 watts of electricity because its renewable energy resources generate a total of 4 watts.[52][53] Samsung has also designed the NC215S solar–powered notebook that will be sold commercially in the U.S. market"Oct 13 03:56
schestowitzSo your modern lenovo is same as OLPC?Oct 13 03:56
activelowanyway, the trick is to tailor the software to unleash the full potential at 1% of typical power drawOct 13 03:57
schestowitz-TR2iirc, that used marvewll chipsOct 13 03:57
activelowbecause, it isn't that challenging to turn of all light bulbs and do nothing anymore at allOct 13 03:57
activelowwhich it seems "greens" in germany are heading towards with their plansOct 13 03:57
activelowsorry, no politicsOct 13 03:57
DaemonFCIt's not too bad, actually. Real world usage is about 5-7 hours on a 44 Wh battery.Oct 13 03:58
DaemonFCLenovo actually kind of screwed me.Oct 13 03:58
DaemonFCIf this thing was toting the battery pack of the Yoga 900, it would run for over 13 hours.Oct 13 03:58
techrights-newsApache OpenOffice users should upgrade to newest security release! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156539#comment-31349Oct 13 03:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Release of OpenOffice and News from LibreOffice (Conference and QA/Dev Report) | Tux MachinesOct 13 03:58
activelowanyway, that's why the gentoo distcc cluster here is impressive, because it covers a use case which typical intel/amd systems require up to 100x the amount of electricity oftenOct 13 03:58
activelowto maintain a distribution full from sourceOct 13 03:59
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR2, The battery life is much less impressive on Windows than with Linux plus powertop --auto-tune.Oct 13 03:59
DaemonFCI suspect, if anything, newer kernels might do a little better than the one included with Debian 11.Oct 13 03:59
schestowitz-TR2I think you quote wrong reportsOct 13 04:00
schestowitz-TR2it reports somethingOct 13 04:00
schestowitz-TR2but not total usage Oct 13 04:00
DaemonFCWindows is such a drag that even running Vivaldi on that feels "slow".Oct 13 04:00
DaemonFCOn a high end laptop!Oct 13 04:00
schestowitz-TR2yes, makes senseOct 13 04:00
schestowitz-TR2WindowsOct 13 04:00
DaemonFCIt's extremely fast on GNU/Linux.Oct 13 04:00
schestowitz"Fat operating systems spend most of their energy supporting their own fat." Nicholas Negroponte, MIT Media Lab, rediff.com, Apr 2006Oct 13 04:01
schestowitzthe OLPC mastermindOct 13 04:01
schestowitzeventually tortured into putting XP on thoseOct 13 04:01
schestowitzand then it diedOct 13 04:01
DaemonFCWindows XP. LOLOct 13 04:01
schestowitz-TR2yeahOct 13 04:01
DaemonFC"It's for the children."Oct 13 04:01
schestowitz-TR2cautionary tale for raspiOct 13 04:01
schestowitz-TR2or NokiaOct 13 04:01
schestowitz-TR2tried to put 'windows'... on Nokia phonesOct 13 04:02
schestowitz-TR2which used to have WEEKS-only battery lifeOct 13 04:02
schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: it isOct 13 04:02
schestowitz-TR2to keep the monopoly of BillOct 13 04:02
schestowitz-TR2so he can hang out with Epstein more oftenOct 13 04:02
schestowitz-TR2"for the children"Oct 13 04:02
schestowitz-TR2BTW,Oct 13 04:02
schestowitz-TR2Verge worked on an article about thisOct 13 04:03
schestowitz-TR2how Gates Foundation derailed OLPCOct 13 04:03
schestowitz-TR2Then the writer got fired Oct 13 04:03
schestowitz-TR2he was hanging out here in IRCOct 13 04:03
schestowitz-TR2Then Gates paid The VergeOct 13 04:03
schestowitz-TR2and was sackedOct 13 04:03
schestowitz-TR2(the writer)Oct 13 04:03
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/07/16/gates-press-sunset/Oct 13 04:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Gates Press (GatesGate) — Part VI: Sunsetting for Now | TechrightsOct 13 04:03
DaemonFCI remember Fedora (well before IBM) sponsoring Sugar on a Stick as the GUI for those things.Oct 13 04:03
DaemonFCWindows XP looked hideous on a PC.Oct 13 04:04
DaemonFCI can only imagine it on an XO.Oct 13 04:04
schestowitzFisher Price GUIOct 13 04:04
schestowitzback then all games were WindowsOct 13 04:04
schestowitzat least AAA onesOct 13 04:04
activelowthink about it, even a Z80 (low power consumption and it is a 40year old design) can be used for mathematics, computer algebra, programmingOct 13 04:05
activelowor mos6502, not that i am accused of advertising anything specificOct 13 04:05
techrights-news#Techrights Bulletin for Tuesday, October 12, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintextOct 13 04:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin ArchivesOct 13 04:05
techrights-news#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharingOct 13 04:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS IndexOct 13 04:05
techrights-news#GNOME: Platform Design Goings On • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156713 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 04:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME: Platform Design Goings On | Tux MachinesOct 13 04:06
activelowwhatever "poor children" are supposed to be doing with a computerOct 13 04:06
DaemonFCThere's chips like that in a scientific calculator I saw for $1 at Dollar Tree the other day.Oct 13 04:07
DaemonFCI looked at it and I was like "Wow. That is $1.".Oct 13 04:07
techrights-news#Security Patches • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156714 #TuxMachinesOct 13 04:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Patches | Tux MachinesOct 13 04:07
DaemonFCThey're selling it in the wrong neighborhood though.Oct 13 04:07
DaemonFCMost of the people who shop there would struggle and burn out their brains trying to use it in basic math.Oct 13 04:07
activelowremembering the computer i had as a teenager, which was a piece of win311 crap, i mean even a 32bit arm clocked at 400MHz or something with 256MiB of RAM had been a dream come trueOct 13 04:08
DaemonFCI think it says everything that people who mix coffee powder with water at Dunkin' Donuts say they're Communists because $17 an hour isn't enough.Oct 13 04:08
DaemonFCMeanwhile, they obviously have no idea what goes on or what would happen to them if they lived in a Communist country.Oct 13 04:09
techrights-news● [Old] ● #Vidarholen # ☞ Useless Use Of dd https://www.vidarholen.net/contents/blog/?p=479Oct 13 04:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vidarholen.net | Useless Use Of dd – Vidar's BlogOct 13 04:09
activelowproblem with any slower than i am using now for gentoo based workflow to maintain 100% from source isOct 13 04:10
techrights-news● NEWS ● #ZondaMedia #freesw ☞ 7 Open-Source Software Options for Architects https://www.architectmagazine.com/technology/7-open-source-software-options-for-architects_oOct 13 04:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.architectmagazine.com | 7 Open-Source Software Options for Architects | Architect MagazineOct 13 04:10
activelowany slower system didn't suffice anymore to compile the sofwtare, otherwise even a 400Mhz single core with 256MiB RAM would make me happyOct 13 04:10
techrights-news● NEWS ● #IndiaTimes #Programming ☞ What can enterprises do about soaring technical debts? https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/case-studies/what-can-enterprises-do-about-soaring-technical-debts/86857788Oct 13 04:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | What can enterprises do about soaring technical debts?, IT News, ET CIOOct 13 04:10
activelowand, if software was tailored and bloatware removed, then even a 400MHz single core would suffice for a source-based workflowOct 13 04:11
schestowitz-TR2too bloatedOct 13 04:11
schestowitz-TR2many symbolsOct 13 04:11
schestowitz-TR2ram, cpu...Oct 13 04:11
activelownot possible anymore, i knowOct 13 04:11
schestowitz-TR2a browser for interlinked pages should be like a minute to compileOct 13 04:12
schestowitz-TR2on an old machineOct 13 04:12
techrights-news● NEWS ● #CoRecursive #Programming ☞ #Apple II Programming: From A Cabin In The Woods https://corecursive.com/remote-developer/Oct 13 04:12
altlink_420📣 Cloudflare: corecursive.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://corecursive.com/remote-developer/Oct 13 04:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple II Programming From A Cabin In The Woods - CoRecursive PodcastOct 13 04:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Apple II Programming From A Cabin In The Woods - CoRecursive PodcastOct 13 04:12
schestowitzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_XanaduOct 13 04:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Project Xanadu - WikipediaOct 13 04:12
techrights-news● NEWS ● #LarsWirzenius #Programming ☞ Tilde expansion in #RustLang https://blog.liw.fi/posts/2021/10/12/tilde-expansion-crates/Oct 13 04:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.liw.fi | Tilde expansion in RustOct 13 04:13
techrights-newstechrights-news ● NEWS ● #IndiaTimes #Programming ☞ What can enterprises do about soaring technical debts? https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/case-studies/what-can-enterprises-do-about-soaring-technical-debts/86857788Oct 13 04:14
techrights-news● NEWS ● #TheHill ☞ Slain reporter's father calls for action against #Facebook over video of daughter's death https://thehill.com/policy/technology/576361-slain-reporters-father-calls-for-action-against-facebook-over-video-of-daughters-deathOct 13 04:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Slain reporter's father calls for action against Facebook over video of daughter's death | TheHillOct 13 04:14
DaemonFCEven in the late 90s there was a lot wrong with the web.Oct 13 04:15
techrights-news● NEWS ● #SANS ☞ Things that go "Bump" in the Night: Non HTTP Requests Hitting Web Servers https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/27924Oct 13 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-isc.sans.edu | InfoSec Handlers Diary BlogOct 13 04:15
DaemonFCIt barely loads any faster now on broadband than it did then on dial up, especially without an ad blocker.Oct 13 04:15
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DaemonFCBecause they keep packing more shit into each page.Oct 13 04:15
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schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: trueOct 13 04:15
activelowvery trueOct 13 04:15
schestowitz-TR2if you load up 1990s pages, sub-second load timesOct 13 04:15
schestowitz-TR2and clicks are instantly pleasingOct 13 04:16
schestowitz-TR2it just comes up the moment you click itOct 13 04:16
schestowitz-TR2depending on network letancyOct 13 04:16
schestowitz-TR2latencyOct 13 04:16
schestowitz-TR2with static pagesOct 13 04:16
schestowitz-TR2it's like a GUIOct 13 04:16
schestowitz-TR2localOct 13 04:16
DaemonFCMandy's updating his hypePhone to SpywareOS 15.Oct 13 04:17
schestowitz-TR2'his'Oct 13 04:17
schestowitz-TR2apple'sOct 13 04:17
schestowitz-TR2people think they own what they pay forOct 13 04:18
schestowitz-TR2it's like car rentalOct 13 04:18
schestowitz-TR2you sort of 'own' itOct 13 04:18
schestowitz-TR2temporarilyOct 13 04:18
schestowitz-TR2apple cracks down on repair storesOct 13 04:18
schestowitz-TR2so to service the thing you need to ask apple nicelyOct 13 04:19
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schestowitz-TR2like with john deere tractorsOct 13 04:19
schestowitz-TR2"Windows 7 was my idea"Oct 13 04:19
schestowitz-TR2NSA" Windows 7 was our back doors"Oct 13 04:19
schestowitz-TR2back then the NSA advertised it as a submarine thingOct 13 04:20
schestowitz-TR2before MSM came to admit only something such as GNU/Linux made sense for everythingOct 13 04:20
schestowitz-TR2they didn't say GNUOct 13 04:20
schestowitz-TR2and then, in those days, Windows was still put in some critical systemsOct 13 04:21
schestowitz-TR2those are the ones you read about in the news getting brachedOct 13 04:21
schestowitz-TR2"ransom attacks"Oct 13 04:21
schestowitz-TR2They blame not WindowsOct 13 04:21
schestowitz-TR2just RussiaOct 13 04:21
schestowitz-TR2or ChinaOct 13 04:21
schestowitz-TR2alternatelyOct 13 04:21
activelowi had noticed yes, german publicly funded TV does itOct 13 04:21
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR2, Falkon whitelists DuckDuckGo's ads and trackers.Oct 13 04:22
schestowitz-TR2they blame the exploiterOct 13 04:22
schestowitz-TR2you leave the door openOct 13 04:22
activelowit is *always* "the russians" or "the chinese" or "criminals"Oct 13 04:22
schestowitz-TR2then you blame the person walking inOct 13 04:22
schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: where do these go?Oct 13 04:22
schestowitz-TR2do you use DDG?Oct 13 04:22
schestowitz-TR2iirc, at one stage falkon was trying to foist that scamOct 13 04:23
DaemonFCIt's the default in the package available in Kubuntu 21.10.Oct 13 04:23
DaemonFCSo presumably Debian Sid.Oct 13 04:23
techrights-newsVideo/Audio: CLI, Firefox Keylogging, and Full Circle Weekly • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156715 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 04:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Video/Audio: CLI, Firefox Keylogging, and Full Circle Weekly | Tux MachinesOct 13 04:23
DaemonFCUbuntu mostly copies a snapshot of Sid (for their normal releases) or Testing (for LTS) and then "stabilizes" it.Oct 13 04:24
DaemonFCThey've gotten far more out of Debian than they've ever sent back upstream.Oct 13 04:24
DaemonFCI think that in many cases, Ubuntu doesn't seem to have the slightest idea of what they're doing.Oct 13 04:27
DaemonFCThey hire people to write software that dead ends.Oct 13 04:27
techrights-newsiophk: with Windows, an attack is equated with a successful breach https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/cyber-security-subsite/files/ransomware-action-plan.pdf see http://techrights.org/2021/10/01/microsoft-azure-is-a-security-breach/Oct 13 04:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | With Microsoft, Security Breaches Are Presumed | TechrightsOct 13 04:28
DaemonFC<schestowitz-TR2> DaemonFC: where do these go?Oct 13 04:28
DaemonFCDDG has several disturbing "features" in the background.Oct 13 04:28
techrights-newsiophk: too much #wsl spam http://techrights.org/2020/05/06/wsl2-usage-numbers/Oct 13 04:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Only About 150,000 People Worldwide Use WSL2 (Windows Subsystem for Linux) | TechrightsOct 13 04:28
schestowitzx https://www.clarepeople.com/7631-libreoffice-and-openoffice-failure-allows-changing-digital-signatures/Oct 13 04:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.clarepeople.com | LibreOffice and OpenOffice failure allows changing digital signatures – The Clare PeopleOct 13 04:28
DaemonFCOne is appending a GUID to some of the links you click on, although the AdGuard URL Tracking Prevention List for ublock-origin can strip those back out.Oct 13 04:29
DaemonFCBefore the site sees them.Oct 13 04:29
DaemonFCAlong with many others, including Facebook's.Oct 13 04:29
DaemonFCAnother is a tracking script they use (maybe internally) called improving duckduckgo.Oct 13 04:29
DaemonFCI think that one is blocked in EasyPrivacy.Oct 13 04:30
techrights-news● NEWS ● #ThreatPost #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware ☞ #Office360 Spy Campaign Targets US Military Defense https://threatpost.com/military-defense-spy-campaign/175425/Oct 13 04:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Office 365 Spy Campaign Targets US Military Defense | ThreatpostOct 13 04:30
techrights-news#Microsoft #Windows TCO: ● #ITWire #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Govt to force businesses with $10m annual turnover to report ransomware attacks https://itwire.com/security/govt-to-force-businesses-with-$10m-annual-turnover-to-report-ransomware-attacks.htmlOct 13 04:30
altlink_420📣 Cloudflare: itwire.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/security/govt-to-force-businesses-with-$10m-annual-turnover-to-report-ransomware-attacks.htmlOct 13 04:30
DaemonFCBut Falkon doesn't have EasyPrivacy by default and whitelists it in case you add it.Oct 13 04:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Govt to force businesses with $10m annual turnover to report ransomware attacksOct 13 04:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20211013033020/https://itwire.com/security/govt-to-force-businesses-with-$10m-annual-turnover-to-report-ransomware-attacks.html )Oct 13 04:30
schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: glad you at least try falkonOct 13 04:30
schestowitz-TR2I almost never see ads in itOct 13 04:30
schestowitz-TR2almost forgot they even existOct 13 04:30
techrights-news● NEWS ● #Gizmodo #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ Researchers Find #Android Phones Still Track You, Even When You Opt Out https://gizmodo.com/researchers-find-android-phones-still-track-you-even-w-1847849141Oct 13 04:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | Android Phones Still Track You, Even When You Opt OutOct 13 04:31
techrights-news● NEWS ● #BruceSchneier #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ The European Parliament Voted to Ban Remote #Biometric Surveillance https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2021/10/the-european-parliament-voted-to-ban-remote-biometric-surveillance.htmlOct 13 04:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The European Parliament Voted to Ban Remote Biometric Surveillance - Schneier on SecurityOct 13 04:31
DaemonFCEasyPrivacy is worth adding.Oct 13 04:32
techrights-news● NEWS ● #PatrickBreyer #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ #Cybersecurity [sic]: #EU To Ban Anonymous Websites https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/cybersecurity-eu-to-ban-anonymous-websites/Oct 13 04:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patrick-breyer.de | Cybersecurity: EU to ban anonymous websites – Patrick BreyerOct 13 04:32
DaemonFCIt's obviously broadly compatible with ABP-syntax since it's meant for ABP.Oct 13 04:32
DaemonFCublock-origin is nicer than most ad blockers, because it has its own extensions and rule sets.Oct 13 04:32
techrights-newsCAN communication on the #RaspberryPI with #SocketCAN https://www.pragmaticlinux.com/2021/10/can-communication-on-the-raspberry-pi-with-socketcan/Oct 13 04:33
altlink_420📣 Cloudflare: pragmaticlinux.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pragmaticlinux.com/2021/10/can-communication-on-the-raspberry-pi-with-socketcan/Oct 13 04:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CAN communication on the Raspberry PI with SocketCAN - PragmaticLinuxOct 13 04:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20211013033354/https://www.pragmaticlinux.com/2021/10/can-communication-on-the-raspberry-pi-with-socketcan/ )Oct 13 04:33
techrights-news#modi mimicking #talban https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/12/world/asia/modi-india-antiterror-law.html "statute that critics say is aimed at silencing dissent."Oct 13 04:34
altlink_420📣 Cloudflare: nytimes.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/12/world/asia/modi-india-antiterror-law.htmlOct 13 04:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Narendra Modi's Use of Antiterror Law Draws Scrutiny From Courts - The New York TimesOct 13 04:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Narendra Modi's Use of Antiterror Law Draws Scrutiny From Courts - The New York TimesOct 13 04:34
techrights-news#SparkyLinux 2021.10 is out. Site not updated yet. https://sparkylinux.org/ #poland #gnu #linux #debianOct 13 04:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sparkylinux.org | SparkyLinuxOct 13 04:36
techrights-news#microsoft #propaganda outlet #bleepingcomputer speaking FUD about #LibreOffice and #OpenOffice right now. It should instead focus on Microsoft's back doorsOct 13 04:37
DaemonFCcomp.os.linux.advocacy really went to shit.Oct 13 04:37
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DaemonFCFour pages of "I hate Joe Biden." posts.Oct 13 04:39
DaemonFCAnd counting.Oct 13 04:39
schestowitz-TR2forgetmenot: hiOct 13 04:39
forgetmenothiOct 13 04:39
forgetmenothttps://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1459Oct 13 04:40
-altlink_cba/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: ietf.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1459Oct 13 04:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-datatracker.ietf.org | rfc1459Oct 13 04:40
techrights-newsTop 6 open-source Self-hosted Bookmark Manager Solution • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156716 #freesw #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 04:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 6 open-source Self-hosted Bookmark Manager Solution | Tux MachinesOct 13 04:40
forgetmenot^ was said by NOTICE but it made no differenceOct 13 04:40
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR2, I think I may have figured out what was the problem with Wireguard.Oct 13 04:41
DaemonFCThe MTU for the Nordlynx adapter is set at 1420, but my wifi adapter is at 1500.Oct 13 04:41
schestowitz-TR2forgetmenot: I see...Oct 13 04:41
DaemonFCWhen I use OpenVPN, the tun0 is MTU 1500.Oct 13 04:41
forgetmenot(still reading logs to know who suggested it)Oct 13 04:41
DaemonFCHow do I make the setting of 1420 for wifi persistent across reboots?Oct 13 04:42
DaemonFCI tried a dozen times and the documentation must have been stale. Probably system duh doy changing everything 10 times since like 2017.Oct 13 04:42
schestowitz-TR2forgetmenot: notices work with the title expansion botOct 13 04:44
schestowitz-TR2which uses phpOct 13 04:44
forgetmenotMinceR: thanks for the suggestion, he probably didn't noticed your suggestion so I replaced PRIVMSG to NOTICE for you ;)Oct 13 04:45
techrights-news● NEWS ● #Eudaimonia #Environment ☞ Why Everything is Suddenly Getting More Expensive — And Why It Won’t Stop https://eand.co/why-everything-is-suddenly-getting-more-expensive-and-why-it-wont-stop-cbf5a091f403?gi=41d77b3db5eb "The “chip shortage” is something that the world doesn’t really grasp yet"Oct 13 04:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eand.co | Why Everything is Suddenly Getting More Expensive — And Why It Won’t Stop | by umair haque | Oct, 2021 | Eudaimonia and CoOct 13 04:45
techrights-news● NEWS ● #RTL #Environment ☞ When global warming stops, seas will still rise https://today.rtl.lu/news/science-and-environment/a/1800768.htmlOct 13 04:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-today.rtl.lu | RTL Today - For centuries to come: When global warming stops, seas will still riseOct 13 04:46
forgetmenotby the wayOct 13 04:46
forgetmenotthere are way too many CF site nowadaysOct 13 04:46
forgetmenotMastodon Altlink has impressive CF%Oct 13 04:46
activelowDaemonFC: /etc/sysctl.confOct 13 04:47
schestowitz-TR2forgetmenot: many instances of 'free' social control media use clownflareOct 13 04:49
schestowitz-TR2even some nitter instancesOct 13 04:49
schestowitz-TR2invidiousOct 13 04:49
forgetmenotyeahOct 13 04:49
schestowitz-TR2so you dodge one evilOct 13 04:49
schestowitz-TR2then get anotherOct 13 04:49
forgetmenotand those are listed in https://git.disroot.org/dCF/deCloudflare/src/branch/master/subfilesOct 13 04:49
schestowitz-TR2clownflare fronting for 'freedom' sitesOct 13 04:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.disroot.org | dCF/deCloudflare: The Great Cloudwall / Stop Cloudflare / #deCloudflare #GreatCloudwall #Crimeflare - deCloudflare - Gitea: Git with a cup of teaOct 13 04:49
schestowitz-TR2case of point: https://nitter.eu/search?f=tweets&q=techrights.org&since=2021-10-13&near=Oct 13 04:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.eu | nitterOct 13 04:49
schestowitz-TR2https://nitter.eu/search?f=tweets&q=techrights&since=2021-10-13&near=Oct 13 04:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.eu | nitterOct 13 04:49
schestowitz-TR2there's a bunch of them among nitter instances that use clownflareOct 13 04:50
schestowitz-TR2I got rid of them allOct 13 04:50
forgetmenotGood job! not all ppl block CF.Oct 13 04:50
forgetmenotI use DNS service instead: https://git.disroot.org/dCF/deCloudflare/src/branch/master/subfiles/service.publicdns.mdOct 13 04:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.disroot.org | dCF/deCloudflare: The Great Cloudwall / Stop Cloudflare / #deCloudflare #GreatCloudwall #Crimeflare - subfiles/service.publicdns.md at master - deCloudflare - Gitea: Git with a cup of teaOct 13 04:51
schestowitz-TR2maybe we'll do a video about decloudflareOct 13 04:51
schestowitz-TR2but I need to study the project firstOct 13 04:52
forgetmenotplease do. There are too many pro-Cloudflare vids on youtubeOct 13 04:52
schestowitz-TR2the unspoken-of giantwOct 13 04:52
schestowitz-TR2who funds clownflareOct 13 04:52
schestowitz-TR2surely not just shareholdersOct 13 04:52
schestowitz-TR2they don't have a suitable business modeOct 13 04:52
schestowitz-TR2being a CDN is not a libre thingOct 13 04:52
schestowitz-TR2they can stuff ads laterOct 13 04:53
schestowitz-TR2or sell usage dataOct 13 04:53
schestowitz-TR2they probably already do thatOct 13 04:53
forgetmenotagreed.Oct 13 04:53
forgetmenothere's daily/hourly lists of voices (anti-cf): https://git.disroot.org/dCF/deCloudflare/src/branch/master/PEOPLE.md  (Twitter/Mastodon are hourly update)Oct 13 04:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.disroot.org | dCF/deCloudflare: The Great Cloudwall / Stop Cloudflare / #deCloudflare #GreatCloudwall #Crimeflare - PEOPLE.md at master - deCloudflare - Gitea: Git with a cup of teaOct 13 04:54
schestowitz-TR2ages ago clownflare staff blocked me in twitterOct 13 04:54
schestowitz-TR2because I said they were problematicOct 13 04:54
schestowitz-TR2blocking tor etc.Oct 13 04:54
schestowitz-TR2their response was, block this guyOct 13 04:54
forgetmenotIsn't Twitter anti-tor already?Oct 13 04:54
schestowitz-TR2only one of them actually tried to respond to meOct 13 04:54
schestowitz-TR2so they're instructed not to listen to criticsOct 13 04:54
schestowitz-TR2their founder of cofounder is deadOct 13 04:54
schestowitz-TR2*orOct 13 04:54
schestowitz-TR2twitter is anti-everythingOct 13 04:55
schestowitz-TR2clounflare still pretendsOct 13 04:55
schestowitz-TR2using court battlesOct 13 04:55
schestowitz-TR2over copyright sitesOct 13 04:55
schestowitz-TR2and patent trollsOct 13 04:55
schestowitz-TR2until daily stormerOct 13 04:55
schestowitz-TR2and then the mask started to slipOct 13 04:55
forgetmenotthe judge sided with Cloudflare in recent court iircOct 13 04:55
schestowitz-TR2since then they've wuit the pretenceOct 13 04:55
schestowitz-TR2yes, I saw thatOct 13 04:55
schestowitz-TR2TF covered itOct 13 04:55
schestowitz-TR2iirc, TF uses clownflareOct 13 04:56
forgetmenotyeah lolOct 13 04:56
schestowitz-TR2idiotsOct 13 04:56
forgetmenotmany news sites are CF nowadaysOct 13 04:56
schestowitz-TR2evenmainstream onesOct 13 04:56
schestowitz-TR2even bexos sitesOct 13 04:56
schestowitz-TR2like washpoOct 13 04:56
schestowitz-TR2aws no goodOct 13 04:56
schestowitz-TR2cdn of competitorOct 13 04:56
schestowitz-TR2they could spin off varnish on awsOct 13 04:56
schestowitz-TR2for bezospostOct 13 04:56
schestowitz-TR2but with clownflare they ride investors' bucksOct 13 04:57
forgetmenotStill, AWS is much better than CF - it doesn't block Tor/VPN users by default.Oct 13 04:57
schestowitz-TR2or prior to it VCsOct 13 04:57
schestowitz-TR2clownflare will'cash in' at some pointOct 13 04:57
schestowitz-TR2wait, clownflare does it by default now?Oct 13 04:57
schestowitz-TR2I thought it was a more restrictive modeOct 13 04:58
schestowitz-TR2same for the JS testsOct 13 04:58
forgetmenotno noOct 13 04:58
forgetmenotAWS doesn't block Tor/VPN. CF does.Oct 13 04:58
techrights-news● NEWS ● #EuropeanParliament #Politics ☞ #Facebook Files: MEPs to invite whistleblower Frances Haugen to a hearing https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/fi/press-room/20211011IPR14619/facebook-files-meps-to-invite-whistleblower-frances-haugen-to-a-hearingOct 13 04:58
-altlink_cba/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: europa.eu | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/fi/press-room/20211011IPR14619/facebook-files-meps-to-invite-whistleblower-frances-haugen-to-a-hearingOct 13 04:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.europarl.europa.eu | Facebook Files: MEPs to invite whistleblower Frances Haugen to a hearing | Ajankohtaista | Euroopan parlamenttiOct 13 04:58
schestowitz-TR2oh . my. godOct 13 04:58
schestowitz-TR2europa.eu is clownflare?Oct 13 04:58
forgetmenotLOLOct 13 04:58
schestowitz-TR2OUR GOVERNMENT USES US???Oct 13 04:58
forgetmenotrelax mateOct 13 04:59
schestowitz-TR2what have we sunk to?Oct 13 04:59
forgetmenotmany *.gov (US site) use CFOct 13 04:59
schestowitz-TR2well, usOct 13 04:59
schestowitz-TR2this is euOct 13 04:59
schestowitz-TR2no cdn in europe?Oct 13 04:59
forgetmenotactuallyOct 13 04:59
forgetmenotthere are many cloudflareed .eu domainsOct 13 04:59
techrights-news● NEWS ● #UPI #Politics ☞ #Facebook #whistleblower invited to speak to European Parliament https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2021/10/11/facebook-whistleblower-european-parliament-frances-haugen/9371633974806/Oct 13 04:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook whistleblower invited to speak to European Parliament - UPI.comOct 13 04:59
schestowitz-TR2forgetmenot: but this is govOct 13 05:00
schestowitz-TR2and they have budgetOct 13 05:00
techrights-news● NEWS ● #Bloomberg #Politics ☞ #Facebook Whistle-Blower to Speak Out at U.K., EU Parliaments https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-11/facebook-whistle-blower-to-speak-out-at-u-k-eu-parliamentsOct 13 05:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?Oct 13 05:00
techrights-news● NEWS ● #JacobinMag ☞ Philanthropy Is a Scam https://jacobinmag.com/2021/10/philanthropy-is-a-scam/ http://techrights.org/wiki/Gates_Foundation_CritiqueOct 13 05:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jacobinmag.com | Philanthropy Is a ScamOct 13 05:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - TechrightsOct 13 05:00
schestowitz-TR2jacobinmag clowned alsoOct 13 05:00
forgetmenotif you are interested, you can grab the entire data from https://archive.org/details/crimeflare or git (weekly update)Oct 13 05:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.org | Cloudflare Domains (October 2021) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet ArchiveOct 13 05:01
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schestowitz-TR2forgetmenot: no need, we see in real-time hereOct 13 05:01
schestowitz-TR2so a lot of our Daily Links basically point to clownflareOct 13 05:01
schestowitz-TR2a silent giant of packet hoardOct 13 05:02
activelowgas prises: +440% from january to octoberOct 13 05:02
activelowpricesOct 13 05:02
forgetmenotNot just governmentOct 13 05:02
forgetmenotDo you know how many % of banks in your country is CFed?Oct 13 05:02
techrights-news● NEWS ● #Cracked #Censorship ☞ One Time, Pakistan Accidentally Brought Down #YouTube Worldwide https://www.cracked.com/article_31502_one-time-pakistan-accidentally-brought-down-youtube-worldwide.htmlOct 13 05:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-One Time, Pakistan Accidentally Brought Down YouTube Worldwide | Cracked.comOct 13 05:02
forgetmenoteurope: https://git.disroot.org/dCF/deCloudflare/src/branch/master/subfiles/cloudflared_financial_europe.mdOct 13 05:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.disroot.org | dCF/deCloudflare: The Great Cloudwall / Stop Cloudflare / #deCloudflare #GreatCloudwall #Crimeflare - subfiles/cloudflared_financial_europe.md at master - deCloudflare - Gitea: Git with a cup of teaOct 13 05:03
techrights-news● NEWS ● #TimesHigherEducation #Censorship ☞ Kathleen Stock: #UCU statement ‘ends my career’ at Sussex https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/kathleen-stock-ucu-statement-ends-my-career-sussexOct 13 05:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timeshighereducation.com | Kathleen Stock: UCU statement ‘ends my career’ at Sussex | Times Higher Education (THE)Oct 13 05:03
techrights-news● NEWS ● #Axios #Censorship #Microsoft #China ☞ LinkedIn's unanswered questions about China censorship https://www.axios.com/linkedin-unanswered-questions-china-censorship-56b75495-230c-4dc2-9a29-6a35e2f8cec0.htmlOct 13 05:04
-altlink_cba/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: axios.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.axios.com/linkedin-unanswered-questions-china-censorship-56b75495-230c-4dc2-9a29-6a35e2f8cec0.htmlOct 13 05:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LinkedIn avoids key questions on China censorship - AxiosOct 13 05:04
techrights-news● NEWS ● #WSWS #Censorship ☞ Whistleblower testimony launches bipartisan campaign for #Facebook censorship https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/10/12/face-o12.htmlOct 13 05:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wsws.org | Whistleblower testimony launches bipartisan campaign for Facebook censorship - World Socialist Web SiteOct 13 05:04
GNUmoon2ClearView at it again, scrapped 10 Billions photos from Fakebook and boasting about it. https://www.wired.com/story/clearview-ai-new-tools-identify-you-photos/Oct 13 05:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Clearview AI Has New Tools to Identify You in Photos | WIREDOct 13 05:05
schestowitz-TR2criminalsOct 13 05:05
schestowitz-TR2both of themOct 13 05:05
schestowitz-TR2they say they crack down on crimeOct 13 05:05
schestowitz-TR2same thing duterte saysOct 13 05:05
GNUmoon2One crime org helping another.Oct 13 05:05
schestowitz-TR2that's why we self-host our photosOct 13 05:05
schestowitz-TR2but I am not sure if there's a  law against clearview scrraping those tooOct 13 05:06
schestowitz-TR2or scaping off google  image searchOct 13 05:06
techrights-news● NEWS ● #MexicoNewsDaily ☞ 3 nights in a migrant detention center—for the crime of not carrying passport https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/5-days-in-a-migrant-detention-center/ "What I didn’t know is that someone had been fighting for my freedom from outside."Oct 13 05:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mexiconewsdaily.com | 3 nights in a migrant detention center—for not carrying passportOct 13 05:08
GNUmoon2Yeah, probably not illegal to scraping. If it's online, it's fair game...Oct 13 05:09
schestowitz-TR2there was a Microsoft caseOct 13 05:09
schestowitz-TR2against scraping in linkedinOct 13 05:09
schestowitz-TR2iirc, the criminals wonOct 13 05:09
schestowitz-TR2(microsott)Oct 13 05:09
techrights-news"schematics or die" https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/fairphone-thoughts-commentary-with-louis:1 iophk: still uses the confusing term IP instead of #patents or #copyrightOct 13 05:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Fairphone thoughts & commentary with Louis RossmannOct 13 05:12
forgetmenot(https://odysee.com/ is a CF site - upsteamDB(sid) know this but altlinkDB(stable) is not)Oct 13 05:13
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schestowitz-TR2:-(Oct 13 05:14
schestowitz-TR2they can do videoOct 13 05:14
schestowitz-TR2but not web pages?Oct 13 05:14
techrights-news#Fakenews from #npr ... there is NO SUCH AWARD! https://text.npr.org/1045152279 iophk: bankster propaganda awardOct 13 05:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | A Nobel Prize for a revolution in economicsOct 13 05:14
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techrights-news● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ #Adobe Uses #DMCA to Nuke Project That Keeps Flash Alive, Secure & Adware Free https://torrentfreak.com/adobe-uses-dmca-to-nuke-project-that-keeps-flash-alive-secure-adware-free-211012/Oct 13 08:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Adobe Uses DMCA to Nuke Project That Keeps Flash Alive, Secure & Adware Free * TorrentFreakOct 13 08:55
techrights-news● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ Google Opposes 'Sweeping' #PopcornTime #FileSharing Blocking Request https://torrentfreak.com/google-opposes-sweeping-popcorn-time-piracy-blocking-request-211012/Oct 13 08:56
-altlink_22b/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/google-opposes-sweeping-popcorn-time-piracy-blocking-request-211012/Oct 13 08:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Opposes 'Sweeping' Popcorn Time Piracy Blocking Request * TorrentFreakOct 13 08:56
techrights-news● NEWS ● #KrebsOnSecurity #microsoft #nsa #fakesecurity ☞ Patch Tuesday, October 2021 Edition https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/10/patch-tuesday-october-2021-edition/Oct 13 08:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | Patch Tuesday, October 2021 Edition – Krebs on SecurityOct 13 08:57
techrights-news“The ‘chip shortage’ ⚓ https://joindiaspora.com/posts/21744736Oct 13 08:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody@joindiaspora.com: “The ‘chip shortage’ is something that the world doesn’t really grasp yet, in its full importance and magnitude. It is the first climate catastrophe related shortage to hit us at a civilizational, global level.”  https://eand.co/why-everything-is-suddenly-getting-more-expensive-and-why-it-wont-stop-cbf5a091f403 interesting times... (v @opensourcerer)Oct 13 08:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> eand.co | Why Everything is Suddenly Getting More Expensive — And Why It Won’t Stop | by umair haque | Oct, 2021 | Eudaimonia and CoOct 13 08:59
techrights-newsIf you choose to #deleteTwitter https://www.maketecheasier.com/delete-anything-twitter/Oct 13 09:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Delete Anything from Twitter Including Your Account - Make Tech EasierOct 13 09:03
techrights-newsTechrights #IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/10/13/irc-log-121021/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/13/irc-log-121021/Oct 13 09:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 | TechrightsOct 13 09:03
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techrights-news● NEWS ● #EFF ☞ Coalition Against #Stalkerware Named J.D. Falk Award Winner for Raising Awareness About and Helping Victims of Malicious Spying Apps https://www.eff.org/press/releases/coalition-against-stalkerware-named-jd-falk-award-winner-raising-awareness-about-andOct 13 09:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Coalition Against Stalkerware Named J.D. Falk Award Winner for Raising Awareness About and Helping Victims of Malicious Spying Apps | Electronic Frontier FoundationOct 13 09:53
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techrights-news● NEWS ● #PIA ☞ Open Source Intelligence (OSINT) is Great for Catching Bad Actors; But It Can Also Be Used Against the Good Ones - You and Me https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/open-source-intelligence-osint-is-great-for-catching-bad-actors-but-it-can-also-be-used-against-the-good-ones-you-and-me/Oct 13 09:54
-altlink_22b/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: privateinternetaccess.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/open-source-intelligence-osint-is-great-for-catching-bad-actors-but-it-can-also-be-used-against-the-good-ones-you-and-me/Oct 13 09:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.privateinternetaccess.com | Open Source Intelligence (OSINT) is Great for Catching Bad Actors; But It Can Also Be Used Against the Good Ones - You and MeOct 13 09:54
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techrights-news"Slides from tonight's #NUUG session" https://mastodon.social/@pitrh/107090222200927779Oct 13 10:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Peter N. M. Hansteen: "Slides from tonight's #NUUG session, with links t…" - MastodonOct 13 10:00
techrights-news● NEWS ● #EFF ☞ Why Is #PayPal Denying Service to Palestinians? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/10/why-paypal-denying-service-palestiniansOct 13 10:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Why Is PayPal Denying Service to Palestinians? | Electronic Frontier FoundationOct 13 10:02
techrights-news"Please, don't panic: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy has been published on October 12, 1979. Exactly 42 years ago" https://mastodon.social/@fribbledom/107089570901571234Oct 13 10:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | muesli: "Please, don't panic: The Hitchhiker's Guide to th…" - MastodonOct 13 10:02
techrights-newsFreedom of the Press Foundation: "The Biden Admin must drop the charges against #Assange immediately" https://social.jesuislibre.net/@wikileaks/107085771778804220 #wikileaksOct 13 10:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wikileaks [bot] : "ACLU: "The Government needs to drop the charges a…" - social.jesuislibre.netOct 13 10:03
techrights-news"EU to ban anonymous websites and “whois privacy” services. The LIBE Committee supports indiscriminatory identification of domain registrars:" https://chaos.social/@echo_pbreyer/107089054499489198Oct 13 10:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patrick Breyer: "🇬🇧 #Cybersecurity: EU to ban anonymous websites a…" - chaos.socialOct 13 10:04
techrights-news"you can run gemini from home" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-121021.html#tOct%2012%2000:48:47Oct 13 10:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, October 12, 2021Oct 13 10:04
techrights-news"World War 2 and the Cold War were both intense geopolitical conflicts in which one of the weapons was memetic warfare. Specifically, spreading a generalised sense of social anger and distrust through conspiracy theories. " https://mastodon.social/@natecull/107091390301519876Oct 13 10:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Nate Cull: "World War 2 and the Cold War were both intense ge…" - MastodonOct 13 10:05
techrights-news● NEWS ● #EFF #Censorship ☞ Records Shed New Light on #Trump White House Officials’ Efforts to Punish #SocialControlMedia https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/10/records-shed-new-light-trump-white-house-officials-efforts-punish-social-mediaOct 13 10:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Records Shed New Light on Trump White House Officials’ Efforts to Punish Social Media | Electronic Frontier FoundationOct 13 10:06
techrights-news● NEWS ● #TheNation ☞ How “Terror Capitalism” Links #Uyghur Oppression to the Global Economy https://www.thenation.com/article/world/xinjiang-uyghur-terror-capitalism/Oct 13 10:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | How “Terror Capitalism” Links Uyghur Oppression to the Global Economy | The NationOct 13 10:11
techrights-news#china is not the trouble of the US but the factory of the United States; American oligarchs got richer on the backs of many millions of oppressed and impoverished Chinese people. If you think 'i' devices are an American product of #apple then you have a lot of reading up or catching up to do...Oct 13 10:14
techrights-news● NEWS ● #CreativeCommons ☞ License Stewardship consultation https://creativecommons.org/2021/10/12/license-stewardship-consultation/ http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/an-elephant-in-the-room-creative-commons/Oct 13 10:14
-altlink_22b/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: creativecommons.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://creativecommons.org/2021/10/12/license-stewardship-consultation/Oct 13 10:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-creativecommons.org | License Stewardship consultation - Creative CommonsOct 13 10:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Has CC Become a Google Drone? | TechrightsOct 13 10:14
techrights-newsEnergy prices soaring just in time for... when in the northern hemisphere usage of energy skyrockets. Never mind #pandemic aspects.Oct 13 10:16
techrights-news● NEWS ● #TruthOut ☞ A Grim Winter Looms. These Activists Are Keeping Spirits Up Through Organizing. https://truthout.org/articles/a-grim-winter-looms-these-activists-are-keeping-spirits-up-through-organizing/Oct 13 10:17
-altlink_22b/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: truthout.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/a-grim-winter-looms-these-activists-are-keeping-spirits-up-through-organizing/Oct 13 10:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | A Grim Winter Looms. These Activists Are Keeping Spirits Up Through Organizing.Oct 13 10:17
techrights-newsTonight, for the third night in a row, #techrights will focus on #switzerlandOct 13 10:17
techrights-news● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #patent #patents #monopolies #greed ☞ Amid Corporate Dems' Threats, New Poll Shows 83% of Voters Back Drug Pricing Reform https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/10/12/amid-corporate-dems-threats-new-poll-shows-83-voters-back-drug-pricing-reformOct 13 10:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Amid Corporate Dems' Threats, New Poll Shows 83% of Voters Back Drug Pricing ReformOct 13 10:26
Techrights-secI guess there are now CoCs that prevent any criticism at all of companies.Oct 13 10:30
Techrights-secI presume that those are also enforced selectively, at that.Oct 13 10:30
schestowitz-TR2This is what companies do when they are losing; we need to respond shrewdly to such new restrictionsOct 13 10:30
schestowitz-TR2CoC: CODE AND SHUT THE FUCK UPOct 13 10:31
Techrights-secNot even that, it's not just about shutting people up, it is getting themOct 13 10:38
Techrights-secto code bad (mis-)features that advance certain companies at the expense of Oct 13 10:38
Techrights-secall others and all people.Oct 13 10:38
Techrights-secThat's a little different that an amoral head down and code attitude.Oct 13 10:38
schestowitz-TR2systemd :-)Oct 13 10:38
schestowitz-TR2criticising it is "intolerance"Oct 13 10:38
schestowitz-TR2"harassment"Oct 13 10:38
schestowitz-TR2watch outOct 13 10:38
schestowitz-TR2the anti-harassment team(R) is watching you ;-)Oct 13 10:39
Techrights-secLabelling the opposite of what they actually do.  :/Oct 13 10:42
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techrights-news[Meme] [Teaser] Swiss Alexandre Benallas http://techrights.org/2021/10/13/swiss-armed-bullies/ #epo #corruption #france #switzerland #chOct 13 10:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] [Teaser] Swiss Alexandre Benallas | TechrightsOct 13 10:50
schestowitz-TR2leah: good morningOct 13 10:50
schestowitz-TR2you said you had admired the Swiss political modelOct 13 10:50
schestowitz-TR2you might want to read the latest 7 posts in :Oct 13 10:50
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPOOct 13 10:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - TechrightsOct 13 10:50
schestowitz-TR2there's more to .ch than cows, chocolate, and cheese ;-)Oct 13 10:51
schestowitz-TR2we have two more articles coming tonightOct 13 10:51
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psydruidhttps://www.cambriantechnologies.com/blog/2021/03/27/the-ramifications-of-the-decline-of-the-x86-chip-architecture/Oct 13 10:58
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psydruidI think all the Intel and Microsoft spam we are seeing now are a last-ditch effort to make the companies still look relevantOct 13 10:58
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psydruidthis is an old one on Tom's Hardware of all places, but the things mentioned there have actually happenedOct 13 10:59
psydruidhttps://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-wintel-intel-processor-windows,17355.htmlOct 13 10:59
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schestowitz-TR2psydruid: I noticed somethingOct 13 11:00
schestowitz-TR2hang on, bear with meOct 13 11:00
schestowitzyesterday I saw https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share#monthly-200901-202101Oct 13 11:00
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schestowitzit LOOKS like the PAID-FOR hype give them a tiny gainOct 13 11:01
schestowitzwhich I suppose marketing can doOct 13 11:01
schestowitzwhen you offload barrels of money at "media"Oct 13 11:01
schestowitzand get people curious about Service Pack '11'Oct 13 11:01
schestowitzbut now...Oct 13 11:01
schestowitzthey need to maintain ANOTHER versionOct 13 11:01
activelowif the OS market share misses azure threadX then it is - voidOct 13 11:01
schestowitzhow often will Windows Update brick Service Pack '10'Oct 13 11:02
psydruidso it's more like a Pyrrhic victory?Oct 13 11:02
schestowitzand how long before a 'fix'? (Rubber band)Oct 13 11:02
schestowitzactivelow: it's barely relevantOct 13 11:02
psydruidService Pack '10' keeps breaking itself all the timeOct 13 11:02
schestowitzMicrosoft just bought some companyOct 13 11:02
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schestowitzto pretend that Azure is relevantOct 13 11:02
schestowitzwhen in fact is has tiny market shareOct 13 11:02
schestowitzthey just hype it up in paid-for mediaOct 13 11:02
schestowitzIBM tried to do the same with its 'clown'Oct 13 11:02
schestowitzpsydruid: after all this hype only 1% in gain?Oct 13 11:03
schestowitzSeems patheticOct 13 11:03
schestowitzthey bleed several %s per yearOct 13 11:03
psydruidindeedOct 13 11:03
schestowitzand the marketing/media hype stoppedOct 13 11:03
activelowshort notice: this is the leading two OS deployed, 1) azure threadx rtos 2) minix (intelME)Oct 13 11:03
schestowitzlast week: WSL now in Vista 11Oct 13 11:03
psydruidit's not working out like it did in the 90s or 2000sOct 13 11:03
schestowitzThis week: WSL now in STORE!!!Oct 13 11:03
schestowitzThey recycle old spamOct 13 11:03
schestowitzPhoronix, techradar, Liliputing and SJCN help themOct 13 11:04
schestowitzat expense to their credibilityOct 13 11:04
psydruidactivelow, I have none of thoseOct 13 11:04
schestowitzI could name a few more sitesOct 13 11:04
schestowitzIt's FOSSOct 13 11:04
schestowitzCNX SoftwareOct 13 11:04
*psydruid will never buy a Raspberry PiOct 13 11:04
schestowitzactivelow: it's not aazureOct 13 11:04
psydruidyesOct 13 11:04
schestowitzit's jyst a dying  brandOct 13 11:04
schestowitzthey bought some companyOct 13 11:04
schestowitzslapped their brand on itOct 13 11:04
schestowitzso they can claim "azure" is widely deployedOct 13 11:05
activelowpsydruid: threadx is deployed elsewhere, however microsoft had to tell where those 6billion deployments are which they announceOct 13 11:05
psydruidactivelow, (actual) embedded devices?Oct 13 11:05
schestowitzactivelow: let's agree to disagree on this oneOct 13 11:05
schestowitzit's more of  a PR stuntyOct 13 11:05
schestowitzso they can slap it on some Web pageOct 13 11:06
schestowitzpsydruid: they bought some company two years agoOct 13 11:06
schestowitzthrew the "Azure" brand on thatOct 13 11:06
schestowitzto use "recency" PROct 13 11:06
schestowitzthey also lose lots of money on ShitHubOct 13 11:06
psydruidI knew about ThreadX in 2017Oct 13 11:06
schestowitzthey paid in shares for a losing operationOct 13 11:06
activelowdon't think so, microsoft doesn't aggressively market the "niche", and labeling it azure is misleading tooOct 13 11:06
schestowitzjust to pretend to still matterOct 13 11:06
psydruidand that's why I bought an Orange Pi and not a Raspberry PiOct 13 11:06
schestowitzsame in skype, linkedin...Oct 13 11:06
schestowitzit's another nokiaOct 13 11:07
psydruidand I'm glad for thatOct 13 11:07
schestowitzanother write-offOct 13 11:07
schestowitzLinkedIn had tons of layoffs last yearOct 13 11:07
psydruidwhat are alternatives to ThreadX?Oct 13 11:07
psydruidand who uses it even?Oct 13 11:07
psydruidI think it will always go like thisOct 13 11:07
schestowitzthere is NO ThreadX, psydruid :-)Oct 13 11:07
schestowitznow it's "AZURE"Oct 13 11:07
schestowitzwhatrever that isOct 13 11:07
schestowitz"clown"Oct 13 11:07
schestowitzvapourOct 13 11:07
psydruid$BIGCOMPANY buys $TECHNOLOGY, so $OTHERCOMPANY buys $OTHERTECHNOLOGY to replace $TECHNOLOGYOct 13 11:08
schestowitz-TR2Team is HUGEOct 13 11:08
schestowitz-TR2"we rebranded SKYPE FOR BUSINESS"Oct 13 11:08
schestowitz-TR2*TeamsOct 13 11:08
psydruideverything Microsoft buys inevitably dies eventuallyOct 13 11:08
schestowitz-TR210003342% GROWTHOct 13 11:08
schestowitz-TR2by rebrandingOct 13 11:08
schestowitz-TR2they beleed moneyOct 13 11:09
psydruidoh rightOct 13 11:09
schestowitz-TR2just to seem relevantOct 13 11:09
psydruidAzure RTOSOct 13 11:09
schestowitz-TR2and then run to TrumpOct 13 11:09
schestowitz-TR2help us buy TikTokOct 13 11:09
schestowitz-TR2help us win JEDIOct 13 11:09
psydruiddesigned and developed by brilliant Microsoft developersOct 13 11:09
schestowitz-TR2Hey, BIDEN, give us $22,000,000,000 for this company we KILLEDOct 13 11:09
schestowitz-TR2HoloLensOct 13 11:09
psydruidsanctioned by Dave Cutler and Gordon BellOct 13 11:09
schestowitz-TR2All staff fired shortly after Microsoft had bought themOct 13 11:09
schestowitz-TR2realised they bought a DUDOct 13 11:09
schestowitz-TR2for some shallow Vista 10 marketingOct 13 11:09
schestowitz-TR2which only lasted a few weeksOct 13 11:10
schestowitz-TR2and nobody taked about it after thatOct 13 11:10
psydruidI don't even know what Mixxer and HoloLens areOct 13 11:10
schestowitz-TR2MixxerOct 13 11:10
schestowitz-TR2killed alsoOct 13 11:10
psydruidnever seen or used themOct 13 11:10
schestowitz-TR2all the fools who participated thereOct 13 11:10
schestowitz-TR2liquidated by MicrosoftOct 13 11:10
schestowitz-TR2we wrote about MixxerOct 13 11:10
schestowitz-TR2we used to keep track of dead Microsoft thingsOct 13 11:10
psydruidI read about it, but I still have no clue what it is lolOct 13 11:11
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/Microsoft_-_Dead_Divisions_or_ProductsOct 13 11:11
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schestowitzwe stopped about a decade agoOct 13 11:11
schestowitzstarted to focus more on patentsOct 13 11:11
schestowitz-TR2psydruid: i think it's some "social" media thingieOct 13 11:11
schestowitz-TR2like DiscordOct 13 11:11
psydruidahOct 13 11:12
schestowitz-TR2does discord actually make any money?Oct 13 11:12
psydruidI don't think soOct 13 11:12
schestowitz-TR2me neitherOct 13 11:12
schestowitz-TR2what business model?Oct 13 11:12
psydruidbut they got an investment recentlyOct 13 11:12
schestowitz-TR2I never heard of anyone paying for itOct 13 11:12
psydruidso they can coast on for a while longerOct 13 11:12
schestowitz-TR2psydruid: so did shithubOct 13 11:12
schestowitz-TR2they bet on being bought I guessOct 13 11:12
psydruidthey branched out into games, but no one was buying thoseOct 13 11:12
psydruidand they were all Windows-onlyOct 13 11:12
schestowitz-TR2Google can use the to integrate users into other disservicesOct 13 11:12
schestowitz-TR2like gmailOct 13 11:12
schestowitz-TR2and then harvest chats in discord for user data and keystrokesOct 13 11:13
psydruidyesOct 13 11:13
psydruideven some nominally FOSS projects have moved their chats to DiscordOct 13 11:13
techrights-news● NEWS ● #CounterPunch #Germany #de ☞ Who Won Germany’s Election in 2021? https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/10/12/who-won-germanys-election-in-2021/Oct 13 11:13
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psydruidwhich is an incredibly short-sighted and stupid thing to do in my opinionOct 13 11:14
schestowitz"All in all, 25.7% voted for the center-mildly-progressive social-democratic party SPD. With that, the SPD overtook Germany’s conservatives and strong-state favoring CDU – Angela Merkel’s political party"Oct 13 11:14
schestowitzSPD, activelowOct 13 11:14
schestowitzthe ones who stopped responding to my mails after the electionOct 13 11:14
activelowschestowitz: SPD lost millions of party membersOct 13 11:14
schestowitzI guess talking about EPO crimes was no longer of "use" to themOct 13 11:14
activelowsame with CDUOct 13 11:14
activelowand the real majority in national parliament is CDU+FDP/AFDOct 13 11:14
schestowitz-TR2I see...Oct 13 11:15
schestowitz-TR2activelow: btwOct 13 11:15
schestowitz-TR2if you read the new series on switzerlandOct 13 11:15
psydruidwe still have no new government after elections in March ...Oct 13 11:15
activelowi name FDP/AFD in conjunction because those two parties represent left and right-wing liberalism (regardless of their followers and campaigning)Oct 13 11:15
schestowitz-TR2the centre of it is christian bockOct 13 11:15
schestowitz-TR2he's germanOct 13 11:15
schestowitz-TR2naturalised as swissOct 13 11:15
psydruidand we may end up having new electionsOct 13 11:15
schestowitz-TR2right wing, tooOct 13 11:15
psydruidmaybe that's why Microsoft and WSL fanboys are attacking meOct 13 11:16
psydruidall that money invested and very little coming out of itOct 13 11:16
schestowitz-TR2[11:16] <psydruid> maybe that's why Microsoft and WSL fanboys are attacking meOct 13 11:17
schestowitz-TR2waitOct 13 11:17
schestowitz-TR2that means it hurtsOct 13 11:17
schestowitz-TR2do more of the sameOct 13 11:17
psydruidno one wants to be exposted like thatOct 13 11:17
schestowitz-TR2remember:Oct 13 11:17
schestowitz-TR2we had #1 fan of WSL here in IRCOct 13 11:17
schestowitz-TR2several timesOct 13 11:17
schestowitz-TR2cloaked as just some random JoeOct 13 11:17
schestowitz-TR2he quit Oct 13 11:17
schestowitz-TR2earlier this year he quit WSL completelyOct 13 11:17
schestowitz-TR2he tried to invite us all, here in IRC, to his WSL 'conf'Oct 13 11:17
schestowitz-TR2that did not go wellOct 13 11:17
schestowitz-TR2anyway, he mostly vanishedOct 13 11:17
schestowitz-TR2moved to rancherOct 13 11:18
schestowitz-TR2(suse)Oct 13 11:18
psydruidI will continue doing it, but they do make me into an "insulting person" for calling people out who insult me firstOct 13 11:18
schestowitz-TR2we have good rebuttals re WSLOct 13 11:18
schestowitz-TR2what it isOct 13 11:18
schestowitz-TR2how it failedOct 13 11:18
psydruidthis is gaslighting level 11 on a scale from 0 to 10Oct 13 11:18
schestowitz-TR2how developers fledOct 13 11:18
schestowitz-TR2the astroturfingOct 13 11:18
psydruidunfortunately for them it doesn't work for meOct 13 11:18
schestowitz-TR2the bribed-for 'media' 'coverage'Oct 13 11:18
schestowitz-TR2(Ads)Oct 13 11:18
schestowitz-TR2they wasted maybe 20 million on itOct 13 11:18
schestowitz-TR2for just hundreds of thousands of usedsOct 13 11:19
psydruidI did actually attend the WSL confOct 13 11:19
psydruidbut it was pure garbageOct 13 11:19
schestowitz-TR2well, you upped their numbersOct 13 11:19
schestowitz-TR2afaik, there will be no more such eventOct 13 11:19
schestowitz-TR2its organiser quitOct 13 11:19
psydruid"look at us doing great stuff on WSL that works 10 times better than on GNU/Linux"Oct 13 11:19
psydruidI am even in their chat as an infiltrantOct 13 11:19
psydruidthe ironyOct 13 11:19
psydruidbut I never saw anything of substanceOct 13 11:20
psydruid-than*Oct 13 11:20
activelowdoes WSL spawn a linux kernel at least?Oct 13 11:20
activelowcygwin didn't it provided a libc and GNU userspace, but no linux kernel involvedOct 13 11:20
schestowitz-TR2activelow: noOct 13 11:21
psydruidI don't know, I never used it (or was used by it)Oct 13 11:21
schestowitz-TR2WSL2 doesOct 13 11:21
schestowitz-TR2WSL was a misnomerOct 13 11:21
schestowitz-TR2no linux on itOct 13 11:21
schestowitz-TR2just cygwin-like gnu-on-windowsOct 13 11:21
activelowand WSL2 probably involves hardware-level virtualization, i suspect, not sureOct 13 11:21
*schestowitz-TR2 tried cygwin several times more than 20 years agoiOct 13 11:21
schestowitz-TR2WSL is deadOct 13 11:22
schestowitz-TR2but nobody wants to say itOct 13 11:22
psydruidWSLg will only "work" on Vista 11Oct 13 11:22
schestowitz-TR2Microsoft NEVER admirs when its products dieOct 13 11:22
schestowitz-TR2Windows PhoneOct 13 11:22
schestowitz-TR2SilverlightOct 13 11:22
psydruidyeah, I call it dead and they deny itOct 13 11:22
schestowitz-TR2it just dies 'silently'Oct 13 11:22
psydruidI guess that really hurtOct 13 11:22
schestowitz-TR2while they assure people, "no, it's OK, it's still there"Oct 13 11:22
activelowi'm not interested in any microsoft windows product at all, and ignore all related tech "news" from "experts" on thisOct 13 11:22
schestowitz-TR2That's what happened to WSL some years agoOct 13 11:22
schestowitz-TR2it's just shilled-for mediaOct 13 11:22
psydruidno, that's not the issueOct 13 11:23
schestowitz-TR2shame on phoronix as a side noteOct 13 11:23
psydruidspamming Microsoft ads keeps the real news out of the mediaOct 13 11:23
schestowitz-TR2lately he has been back to helping Microsoft with "mindshare"Oct 13 11:23
psydruidand they know that very wellOct 13 11:23
schestowitz-TR2because news was slowOct 13 11:23
schestowitz-TR2[03:42] <techrights-news> Job ad (one person) as 'article' https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Red-Hat-New-2021-GPU-DeveloperOct 13 11:23
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activelowi quit recognising windows as a relevant system when some windows version didn't support .Net3.x and insisted on some update, not sure when this wasOct 13 11:23
activelowbecause, from a merely technical perspective, and although i disguise microsoft products, rapid application development with .Net was a thing relevant for someOct 13 11:24
psydruidI quit recognising windows in 2000, but it took me some time to move everything over to GNU/LinuxOct 13 11:24
schestowitz-TR2my last windows was win98Oct 13 11:24
schestowitz-TR2so my windows days were like, what? 5 years?Oct 13 11:24
schestowitz-TR2maybe a little longer, prior to that it was DOSesOct 13 11:24
activelowjust saying, never considered .Net again, and didn't touch any java in 5 years anymore either, never will againOct 13 11:24
psydruidI used windows 2000 alongside SUSE, Mandrake and Red Hat until it was time to get rid of itOct 13 11:24
psydruidin 2002Oct 13 11:25
schestowitz-TR2in early windows many "apps" were running off of DOSOct 13 11:25
schestowitz-TR2Windows was like a GUI wrapped for DOSOct 13 11:25
schestowitz-TR2your games would run off of DOSOct 13 11:25
schestowitz-TR2not even MS-DOSOct 13 11:25
schestowitz-TR2Windows was for minesweeper and stuffOct 13 11:25
psydruid5 years it was for me tooOct 13 11:25
schestowitz-TR2even much software was still DOS-likeOct 13 11:25
schestowitz-TR2image editors and file managersOct 13 11:26
psydruidthat's why I feel handicapped on a windows systemOct 13 11:26
schestowitz-TR2I didn't use Windows file managementOct 13 11:26
schestowitz-TR2Norton Commander was easier to work wihtOct 13 11:26
psydruidI know GNU/Linux much betterOct 13 11:26
activelowstrangely IBM and Microsoft seem to hack and slay each other too, and i was the one to suffer from this, forced to learn a shitload of useless short-lived stuffOct 13 11:26
schestowitz-TR2by that stage, kde was already getting its file manager that's better than Windows'Oct 13 11:26
schestowitz-TR2inc. Krusader iircOct 13 11:26
schestowitz-TR2Midnight CommanderOct 13 11:26
schestowitz-TR2KoquerorOct 13 11:26
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schestowitz-TR2activelow: IBM and Mirosoft aree similiar nowOct 13 11:27
schestowitz-TR2they buy back their OWN shareOct 13 11:27
schestowitz-TR2to fake relevance and stabilityOct 13 11:27
schestowitz-TR2IBM also bought Red HatOct 13 11:27
schestowitz-TR2Microsoft bought GitHubOct 13 11:27
schestowitz-TR2then they tell shareholders, "look! We're still ahead of the curve"Oct 13 11:27
schestowitz-TR2Red Hat was maybe worth 10 billion Oct 13 11:28
schestowitz-TR2maybeOct 13 11:28
activelowif you're interested, i wasn't impressed by redhat9 (predating fedora), when i saw this around year 2002 i though: "what would i want with this, looks like win3.11"Oct 13 11:28
activelowlittle later openbsd relieved some of the stressOct 13 11:28
activelowi didn't turn from windows to gnu/linux, i departed from windows to BSDOct 13 11:29
schestowitz-TR2Red Hat just sells support for something which is free anywayOct 13 11:29
schestowitz-TR2I saw people moving away from themOct 13 11:29
schestowitz-TR2due to pricingOct 13 11:29
schestowitz-TR2they always say they're ripped offOct 13 11:29
activelowand from BSD to gentoo, which shares some highly relevant characteristics of BSD, not GNU/Linux and the apt/rpm binary stuffOct 13 11:29
schestowitz-TR2just to sign some papers that let them blame Red HatOct 13 11:29
psydruidI started using Windows and GNU/Linux at about the same timeOct 13 11:29
schestowitz-TR2before systemd and wayland you could easily switch between distrosOct 13 11:30
psydruidI just phased out Windows after 5 yearsOct 13 11:30
schestowitz-TR2or just use the many RHEL clonesOct 13 11:30
psydruidand after that I got to know about BSD and SolarisOct 13 11:30
activelowGNU/Linux is dominated by RPM/APT type systems, and this isn't something i feel comfortable with at allOct 13 11:30
schestowitz-TR2not anymoreOct 13 11:30
schestowitz-TR2they hopeOct 13 11:30
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schestowitz-TR2anorher vector:Oct 13 11:31
schestowitz-TR2make centralised "stores"Oct 13 11:31
schestowitz-TR2like flathubOct 13 11:31
schestowitz-TR2next stage (IBM/Google) is this:Oct 13 11:31
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2021/03/11/fake-security-brought-by-lf/Oct 13 11:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Fake Security From Linux Foundation and the Monopolies It’s Fronting for | TechrightsOct 13 11:31
schestowitzhttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148632Oct 13 11:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Git, Tor, and Fake (Monopolised, Centralised) 'Security' From Linux Foundation | Tux MachinesOct 13 11:32
schestowitz-TR2activelow: I welcome you to the "LINUS STORE"Oct 13 11:32
activelowschestowitz: if gentoo support for swapping linux kernel against a BSD one didn't cease (around 2013), i had considered BSD KernelOct 13 11:33
schestowitz-TR2You have to unscrew this thing to install "untrusted" softwareOct 13 11:33
activelowbut, i do need the gentoo tooling for anything else than kernel, and it isn't easy to retain gentoo and integrate a BSD kernel with itOct 13 11:33
activelowit is possible, however, efforts; and... featuresOct 13 11:33
activelowand, linux kernel isn't among those components i worry most aboutOct 13 11:34
schestowitz-TR2for desktop?Oct 13 11:34
activelowbecause, linux kernel devs remained cautious to keep it modular, so components i do not want can be removedOct 13 11:34
schestowitz-TR2from what I recall, you use direct framebuffer and cliOct 13 11:34
schestowitz-TR2activelow: soon rust all over kernel spaceOct 13 11:35
schestowitz-TR2very very moduilarOct 13 11:35
schestowitz-TR2just cargo this and thatOct 13 11:35
schestowitz-TR2$ github pullOct 13 11:35
activelowschestowitz-TR2: as soon as i encounter compilation issues i will dispose linux kernelOct 13 11:35
schestowitz-TR2they already EEE the 'git' commandOct 13 11:35
activelowi blacklisted llvm/clang already, and ideally i could have compiled linux kernel with tinycc/pcc but didn't try nor manage yet, it isn't known to be supportedOct 13 11:36
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activelowsorry psydruid, didn't mean to interrupt. anyway, if linux enforces rust then it will be disposed in a minute and not reconsidered anymore by meOct 13 11:37
schestowitz-TR2makes senseOct 13 11:38
schestowitz-TR2I like it, activelowOct 13 11:38
schestowitz-TR2you do your own thing, your wayOct 13 11:38
schestowitz-TR2not many people exercise freedom at that levelOct 13 11:38
schestowitz-TR2it's torturous to mostOct 13 11:38
activelowit's ok if linux utilises clang for static code analysis, it isn't anymore as soon as linux kernel enforces rust-compiler being presentOct 13 11:40
activelowit is a burden already GCC is enforced effectively, instead of something saneOct 13 11:40
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schestowitz-TR2activelow: but it's needed a lotOct 13 11:42
schestowitz-TR2for cross-platform at the leastOct 13 11:42
schestowitz-TR2it has been maturing for almost 40 yearsOct 13 11:42
schestowitz-TR2feel free to write linkers againOct 13 11:42
schestowitz-TR2your wayOct 13 11:42
schestowitz-TR2then add up symbolsOct 13 11:42
schestowitz-TR2and make your own compilerOct 13 11:42
schestowitz-TR2for 20 processorsOct 13 11:42
schestowitz-TR2it's a monumental taskOct 13 11:42
schestowitz-TR2then to catch all the bugs which otherwise cause crashesOct 13 11:43
activelowcompilers exist which consist of a few thousand lines of code, just sayingOct 13 11:43
schestowitz-TR2the monopolies hoped non-reciprocal ('permissive') llvm/clang would take offOct 13 11:43
schestowitz-TR2after a decade of promises, or more, it's nowhere near gccOct 13 11:43
schestowitz-TR2even gcc-hostile companies still use gccOct 13 11:43
schestowitz-TR2suse, ibm...Oct 13 11:43
activelowand yes, this is the idea of *free and opensource software*, that homebrew and hackers and students can do itOct 13 11:43
activelowinstead it is only corporations who blow up the entire system and tooling beyond repair, with only them who benefit from thisOct 13 11:44
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schestowitz-TR2activelow: trueOct 13 11:44
schestowitz-TR2[10:38] <Techrights-sec> Not even that, it's not just about shutting people up, it is getting themOct 13 11:45
schestowitz-TR2[10:38] <Techrights-sec> to code bad (mis-)features that advance certain companies at the expense of Oct 13 11:45
schestowitz-TR2[10:38] <Techrights-sec> all others and all people.Oct 13 11:45
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psydruidactivelow, no problem, I am glad for you and everyone else to participate in these conversationsOct 13 11:53
schestowitz-TR2I find these fascinatiungOct 13 11:54
schestowitz-TR2why?Oct 13 11:54
schestowitz-TR2because no site covers these issueOct 13 11:55
schestowitz-TR2not even forums that I know ofOct 13 11:55
schestowitz-TR2maybe except gentoo and lfs 'ricers'Oct 13 11:55
schestowitz-TR2though they too don't careOct 13 11:55
schestowitz-TR2they want theit startxOct 13 11:55
schestowitz-TR2they hardly care about what's in the hardwareOct 13 11:55
schestowitz-TR2RMS barely talks about those issueOct 13 11:56
schestowitz-TR2he addresses the matters from a higher level of abstractionOct 13 11:56
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schestowitz-TR2such as, can the state control you? What about vendors? How to collectively tackle this?Oct 13 11:56
schestowitz-TR2GNU was started because of hardware or driverOct 13 11:56
schestowitz-TR2xeroxOct 13 11:56
schestowitz-TR2not because of software per seOct 13 11:57
schestowitzhttps://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/201cthe-printer-story201d-redux-a-testimonial-about-the-injustice-of-proprietary-firmwareOct 13 11:57
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schestowitz"As part of his explanation of the early history of free software, Richard Stallman (RMS) often tells a story about his frustration with the locked-down software on a laser printer. If you're not familiar with the printer story, you can read it in RMS's own words here. It's an early, easy-to-understand example of how proprietary software deprives users of control over their lives."Oct 13 11:57
schestowitzembeddedOct 13 11:57
schestowitzraw: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/rms-nyu-2001-transcript.txtOct 13 11:58
schestowitzbtw, the 2020 (latest) build of netsurf works great with gnu.org and fsf.orgfOct 13 11:58
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psydruidit has always worked well for me on proper websitesOct 13 12:01
schestowitz-TR2report to me if it does not work with oursOct 13 12:02
schestowitz-TR2I know our videos imperil itOct 13 12:02
schestowitz-TR2netsurf was not make to be a "video player"Oct 13 12:02
schestowitz-TR2some time along the way, with wmv, browsers tried to become media playersOct 13 12:02
schestowitz-TR2later flashOct 13 12:02
schestowitz-TR2then GoogleTubeOct 13 12:02
schestowitz-TR2Google VideoOct 13 12:02
schestowitz-TR2then YouTubeOct 13 12:03
schestowitz-TR2then mergedOct 13 12:03
schestowitz-TR2now just a lousy JavaScript "app"Oct 13 12:03
schestowitz-TR2or no playOct 13 12:03
schestowitz-TR2in ukraine, RMS spoke about invidious at long lastOct 13 12:03
schestowitz-TR2comment from the audienceOct 13 12:03
schestowitz-TR2first talk in two yearsOct 13 12:03
schestowitz-TR2he's in france nowOct 13 12:03
schestowitz-TR2I have no use for his talks there because I'm not a francophoneOct 13 12:04
schestowitz-TR2he gives two talksOct 13 12:04
schestowitz-TR2let me check if any is online..Oct 13 12:04
schestowitzhttp://audio-video.gnu.org/video/#2021Oct 13 12:04
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schestowitzhttps://stallmansupport.org/updates.htmlOct 13 12:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallmansupport.org | Updates | Stallman SupportOct 13 12:04
schestowitz-TR2oh, the first link shows our videoOct 13 12:05
schestowitz-TR2they're just officially added the video transcoded by techrightsOct 13 12:05
schestowitz-TR2in techrights we got like 12k hits on it as of 2 weeks agoOct 13 12:06
schestowitz-TR2surely more by nowOct 13 12:06
schestowitz-TR2it cuts off the worse bits at the startOct 13 12:06
schestowitz-TR2where he acts a bit rudely (to my taste)Oct 13 12:06
psydruidI watched that one for the most partOct 13 12:08
psydruidmaybe half the Q&A sessionOct 13 12:08
psydruidlet me see what the French one is aboutOct 13 12:08
techrights-news#RMS giving talks in #france 3 days and 9 days from now. In-person talks for francophones https://stallman.org/talks.htmlOct 13 12:08
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schestowitz-TR2psydruid: to me, the q and a is more interestingOct 13 12:09
psydruiddid he also do one in Italian?Oct 13 12:10
schestowitz-TR2because the rest is sort of introductory and thus repetitiveOct 13 12:10
psydruidyes, I just didn't manage to finish itOct 13 12:10
schestowitz-TR2psydruid: he does not speak italianOct 13 12:10
schestowitz-TR2es/fr/enOct 13 12:10
schestowitz-TR2my wife speaks 5Oct 13 12:10
schestowitz-TR2epo staff speaks at least 3Oct 13 12:10
schestowitz-TR2maybe not anymoreOct 13 12:11
schestowitz-TR2hiring standards have COLLAPSEDOct 13 12:11
psydruidI speak moreOct 13 12:11
schestowitz-TR2goodOct 13 12:11
schestowitz-TR2so you can compareOct 13 12:11
schestowitz-TR2in england people can barely compare languagesOct 13 12:11
schestowitz-TR2in US they have spanishOct 13 12:11
schestowitz-TR2Englishman: if you don't speak my language, you are "dumb" and "sound funny"Oct 13 12:11
psydruidat some point my manager was telling colleagues that I spoke all the "languages in the world"Oct 13 12:12
psydruidwhich isn't true of courseOct 13 12:12
schestowitz-TR2funny thing is, many brexiters can't even do english right :-)Oct 13 12:12
psydruid😀Oct 13 12:12
schestowitz-TR2"ih mate"Oct 13 12:12
schestowitz-TR2"oi!!"Oct 13 12:13
schestowitz-TR2"fokin dis"Oct 13 12:13
schestowitz-TR2psydruid: if you cover mandarin, tamil(s), and english, than you can speak to like 2/3 of the worldOct 13 12:14
schestowitz-TR2if spanish too, maybe 80%Oct 13 12:14
schestowitz-TR2many who speak spanish can also do englishOct 13 12:14
psydruidI don't speak mandarin and tamil, but I speak a few indian languages and spanish and englishOct 13 12:15
psydruidpersian tooOct 13 12:15
schestowitz-TR2a friend of mine speaks persianOct 13 12:16
psydruidthe basics of a few slavic and scandinavian languagesOct 13 12:16
psydruidnative in dutch and fluent in english and germanOct 13 12:16
schestowitz-TR2ah, maybe I can get your help sometimesOct 13 12:17
schestowitz-TR2with EPO reportsOct 13 12:17
schestowitz-TR2right now we get lots of articles translatedOct 13 12:17
schestowitz-TR2but next in the list if french, portuguese, and spanishOct 13 12:17
schestowitz-TR2after that austria, so germanOct 13 12:17
schestowitz-TR2http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/15-Rödler-Press-Release-March-2007.pdf abd http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/15-Parliamentary-Inquiry-No.-2-Oct-2009.pdfOct 13 12:17
schestowitz-TR2that's for SundayOct 13 12:18
psydruidI worked with french at my job for almost a yearOct 13 12:18
schestowitz-TR2sorry to hear that :-)Oct 13 12:18
psydruidso that would be my fourth best european language, spanish my fifthOct 13 12:18
psydruidyeah, that's why I quit 🙂Oct 13 12:18
schestowitz-TR2the ones I knew here could be a little pretentiousOct 13 12:19
schestowitz-TR2and arrogantOct 13 12:19
schestowitz-TR2but maybe bad luckOct 13 12:19
schestowitz-TR2that's just my personal experienceOct 13 12:19
schestowitz-TR2british are better at faking mannersOct 13 12:19
schestowitz-TR2and restraintOct 13 12:20
schestowitz-TR2maybe that's why british empire was so much more "successful"Oct 13 12:20
schestowitz-TR2and vastOct 13 12:20
psydruidthe french outright insulted me at timesOct 13 12:20
psydruidand I did it back to themOct 13 12:20
schestowitz-TR2to occupy people and oppress them for long you need to at least fake respect for themOct 13 12:20
schestowitz-TR2"Microsoft loves Linux"Oct 13 12:21
psydruidnever heard anything about that from my managerOct 13 12:21
schestowitz-TR2"Queen loves India"Oct 13 12:21
psydruidbut I couldn't care lessOct 13 12:21
psydruidfrench-speaking people from other countries did have decencyOct 13 12:21
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psydruidlike luxemburg, switzerland, canada and north african countriesOct 13 12:21
schestowitz-TR2they're not 'pure' FrenchOct 13 12:22
schestowitz-TR2belgium alsoOct 13 12:22
schestowitz-TR2zoobab is a francophoneOct 13 12:22
psydruidso it must be something in French society itselfOct 13 12:22
schestowitz-TR2you can hear it in his accentOct 13 12:22
schestowitz-TR2very nice guyOct 13 12:22
psydruidoh sureOct 13 12:22
schestowitz-TR2I never know people from lux (personally)Oct 13 12:22
psydruidI only ever had problems at the Charleroi train stationOct 13 12:22
schestowitz-TR2my sister worked there for a bitOct 13 12:22
schestowitz-TR2many 'frenchies' destroyed the EPOOct 13 12:23
psydruidwhere the person who sold tickets insulted me in French, thinking I didn't understand himOct 13 12:23
schestowitz-TR2not nice to put it like thatOct 13 12:23
schestowitz-TR2sounds racist and rudeOct 13 12:23
psydruidbut I did and insulted him backOct 13 12:23
schestowitz-TR2but it is trueOct 13 12:23
schestowitz-TR2even french politicians said itOct 13 12:23
psydruidthat's also what I do with Microsoft shills and they hate itOct 13 12:23
schestowitz-TR2that EPO was becoming an embarrassment to franceOct 13 12:23
schestowitz-TR2Compinos is FrfenchOct 13 12:23
schestowitz-TR2he pretends not to beOct 13 12:24
schestowitzhe is just another drunken sociopath http://techrights.org/2021/07/13/presidential-skill-gap/Oct 13 12:24
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schestowitzmaybe he got his genes from his momOct 13 12:24
schestowitznot from his portuguese dadOct 13 12:24
schestowitz-TR2his dad is deadOct 13 12:25
schestowitz-TR2but he SEEMED like a nice personOct 13 12:25
schestowitz-TR2modest and nobleOct 13 12:25
schestowitz-TR2I bet his wife wore the pants in the homeOct 13 12:25
schestowitzCampinos and his mom: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/funeral-antonio-campinos.jpgOct 13 12:26
psydruidI think the French still believe in their exceptionalismOct 13 12:26
schestowitz-TR2I'm not sureOct 13 12:28
schestowitz-TR2tbh I don't understand French cultureOct 13 12:28
schestowitz-TR2what I've learned from EPO is not positiveOct 13 12:28
psydruidneither do IOct 13 12:28
schestowitz-TR2when I was young I was told they're antipatheticOct 13 12:28
psydruidit doesn't seem to have any defining featureOct 13 12:28
schestowitz-TR2and it's not racist to say if it's based on something factualOct 13 12:29
schestowitz-TR2in fact, french is not a raceOct 13 12:29
schestowitz-TR2there are many types of ethicities thereOct 13 12:29
schestowitz-TR2religions also, but mostly 2Oct 13 12:29
schestowitz-TR2language unifying factorOct 13 12:30
schestowitz-TR2they're ethnically\ similar to usOct 13 12:30
psydruidin a forced wayOct 13 12:30
schestowitz-TR2religion is not a raceOct 13 12:30
schestowitz-TR2same for languageOct 13 12:30
schestowitz-TR2the funniest thing is when judaism is referred to as a raceOct 13 12:31
schestowitz-TR2or even IsraelOct 13 12:31
psydruideverything that isn't "royal french" is considered backwardOct 13 12:31
schestowitz-TR2where there's like dozens of very different ethnicitiesOct 13 12:31
schestowitz-TR2including palestinian arabsOct 13 12:31
schestowitz-TR2psydruid: well, royal English can be GermanOct 13 12:31
schestowitz-TR2or GreekOct 13 12:31
schestowitz-TR2in the case of our deceased 'king'Oct 13 12:32
psydruideven though French is like the furthest from all other Romance languagesOct 13 12:32
psydruidit barely sounds like oneOct 13 12:32
techrights-newsThe EPO‘s French dictator, Benoît ‘Vichy’ #Battistelli , might be relieved to hear that his enabler in the adjacent #Switzerland also enlisted armed bullies to keep the population down (the father of #AntónioCampinos might know a thing or two about those; it’s why he fled to #France ) http://techrights.org/2021/10/13/swiss-armed-bullies/Oct 13 12:32
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techrights-news● NEWS ● #Techdirt #police ☞ #Alabama Supreme Court Rules Law Enforcement Can Withhold Almost All Records Indefinitely https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210926/12064047634/alabama-supreme-court-rules-law-enforcement-can-withhold-almost-all-records-indefinitely.shtml took SPD 9 months to hand over #billgates record (arrest at home) http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/Oct 13 12:46
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techrights-news#google will 'protect' us from #microsoft to the same degree or extent one tax-evading oligarch will 'protect' us from other tax-evading oligarchs. They have shared interests, overlapping agenda, similar funding sources.Oct 13 12:49
techrights-newsDon't say "Big tech" (it's #microsoft that made us that term), say #pentagon tech. This is who, at the end of the day, they all work for and sometimes received subsidies from (they don't call it subsidies as that would enrage taxpayers whom they harm anyway) http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/Oct 13 12:50
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techrights-newsAny media outlet that still publishes "Bill says" pieces deserves the same condemnation as publishers with "Jimmy Savile likes" or "Jeffrey Esptein (the 'genius') thinks" or "Bill Cosby reads" or "R Kelly prepares new album" puff pieces http://techrights.org/2021/05/10/melinda-sickened-by-bill/Oct 13 12:52
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techrights-newsOf course #billBC will keep shilling for #billgates without even mentioning his name, e.g. deflection ('prince' Andrew) and shilling his investments: #monsanto and various vaccine #patent pools, to name a couple among many http://techrights.org/wiki/Gates_Foundation_CritiqueOct 13 12:53
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schestowitz-TR2gmOct 13 12:57
DaemonFCMorning.Oct 13 12:57
DaemonFCSo I figured out MTU persistency.Oct 13 12:57
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DaemonFCYou can just put a shell script in to make it run the ip command and set MTU on the adapters by name when NetworkManager brings the interface up.Oct 13 12:58
DaemonFCIt's Linux, so thanks to Red Hat you might as well be looking up documentation for Windows 95 if the article is more than a year old.Oct 13 12:58
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schestowitz-TR2NetworkManager is gnome-ishOct 13 12:59
DaemonFCThey shuffle things around, you have no idea how it works this year. What you were doing before is wrong now due to reasons.Oct 13 12:59
schestowitz-TR2and very red hat-dominatedOct 13 12:59
DaemonFCKDE uses it too.Oct 13 12:59
schestowitz-TR2yesOct 13 12:59
schestowitz-TR2I knowOct 13 12:59
schestowitz-TR2but it was not made for kdeOct 13 13:00
schestowitz-TR2in fact, ibm abandoned kdeOct 13 13:00
DaemonFCNope, it's GNOME's world and they just live in it now.Oct 13 13:00
schestowitz-TR2shortly after saying it would buy Red HatOct 13 13:00
schestowitz-TR2kde is very german and europeanOct 13 13:00
*activelow tries falkon browser nextOct 13 13:00
schestowitz-TR2gnome is a bit latinOct 13 13:00
schestowitz-TR2and very ibm-controlledOct 13 13:00
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR2, Well, I had to figure out this MTU thing because NordVPN isn't as smart as it is on Windows in some ways.Oct 13 13:00
DaemonFCIn Windows, it sets the MTU for the adapter to be the same as for the NordLynx interface to make sure the packets aren't immediately getting fragmented before they even leave your computer.Oct 13 13:01
DaemonFCWhile MTU 1500 is usually right for most networks like cable, it can be disastrous for LTE/5G networks.Oct 13 13:02
DaemonFCThey don't like it. 1420 is usually right, at least with T-Mobile, although I am told it depends on the region.Oct 13 13:02
activelowwith wireguard setup here, 1420 is correctly configured for wg0 interface without any additional tweakOct 13 13:03
activelowon linuxOct 13 13:03
techrights-news#ProprietarySoftware Leftovers • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156721 #TuxMachinesOct 13 13:04
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techrights-news#Hardware Leftovers • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156722 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 13:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hardware Leftovers | Tux MachinesOct 13 13:04
DaemonFCThe MTU for the adapter itself has to be set too, otherwise the underlying connection won't be stable.Oct 13 13:05
techrights-newsToday’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156723 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesOct 13 13:05
DaemonFCI've tested this and not setting matching values causes issues.Oct 13 13:05
activelowdepends, pmtu discovery, among other things (up to tcp and mss)Oct 13 13:06
DaemonFCPath MTU discovery is off by default on Debian.Oct 13 13:06
activelowiirc PMTU depends on ICMP, and if any hop doesn't respond then pmtu failsOct 13 13:06
DaemonFCFrom the documentation I've read, it appears that it can cause problems itself sometimes.Oct 13 13:07
DaemonFCWindows has it on by default.Oct 13 13:07
DaemonFCSoftware can be "too smart for its own good".Oct 13 13:07
activelowsome routers/firewalls my disable ip-fragmentation, which if too pmtu isn't possible cuts connectivityOct 13 13:07
DaemonFCIn Windows 98, I was tweaking the MTU, because Microsoft was setting it to values appropriate for a WAN when you were using dial up.Oct 13 13:08
DaemonFC:)Oct 13 13:08
DaemonFCFragged packets were a particular pain in the ass on dial up because it was already very slow.Oct 13 13:09
DaemonFCAnything you could possibly do to speed it up make a night and day difference.Oct 13 13:09
techrights-newsLinks 13/10/2021: #Firefox Keylogger on (By Default), GNOME Platform Design Discussed • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/10/13/firefox-keylogger/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/13/firefox-keylogger/Oct 13 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 13/10/2021: Firefox Keylogger on (By Default), GNOME Platform Design Discussed | TechrightsOct 13 13:11
techrights-newsExcuse me, your memory is leaking. #GNOME Software running in the background, taking hundreds of MB of RAM. https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/13/excuse-me-your-memory-is-leaking-gnome-software-running-in-the-background-taking-hundreds-of-mb-of-ram/ #gnu #linuxOct 13 13:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Excuse me, your memory is leaking. GNOME Software running in the background, taking hundreds of MB of RAM. – BaronHK's RantsOct 13 13:12
techrights-news" #PostgreSQL Partition Manager (pg_partman) v4.6.0 has been released." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pg_partman-460-released-2326/ #deletegithub #microsoft #monopoly #ProprietarySoftware http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_GithubOct 13 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.postgresql.org | PostgreSQL: pg_partman 4.6.0 releasedOct 13 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - TechrightsOct 13 13:14
techrights-news#PGConf NYC 2021 Sessions Announced, Last Week for Early Bird! https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgconf-nyc-2021-sessions-announced-last-week-for-early-bird-2327/ #psql #postgres #postgresqlOct 13 13:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.postgresql.org | PostgreSQL: PGConf NYC 2021 Sessions Announced, Last Week for Early Bird!Oct 13 13:15
techrights-news"I am extremely excited to announce the first stable release of #Psycopg 3!" https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/psycopg-30-released-2328/ #freesw #psql #postgres #postgresqlOct 13 13:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.postgresql.org | PostgreSQL: Psycopg 3.0 releasedOct 13 13:16
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR2, Firefox Suggest is simply the worst idea I've ever seen come out of Mozilla. In their response to Bleeping Computer, they don't even categorically deny collecting personally identifiable information or the possibility of forwarding it to the advertising company. In fact, they admit they store it on Mozilla's servers for 24 hours and run an automatic process (code on Microsoft GitHub) to attempt to strip it before forwarding it Oct 13 13:16
DaemonFCto the advertiser. Regardless of whether this can be done reliably, 100% of the time, this thing is bad stuff. Oct 13 13:16
DaemonFCAnd it won't be reliable 100 percent of the time, so at least sometimes there will be personally identifiable information forwarded to the advertiser.Oct 13 13:17
techrights-newsHow about #deleteMicrosoft and use REAL #email and a proper mail client, not #microsoft infamous "mail destroyer" (it kills whole boxes, not just legit messages misflagged)? https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/outlook-sending-emails-to-junk-folder/Oct 13 13:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.addictivetips.com | How to fix Outlook keeps sending emails to Junk or Spam FolderOct 13 13:17
schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: mozilla is run by liarOct 13 13:18
schestowitz-TR2always assume the worstOct 13 13:18
schestowitz-TR2and the more nefariousOct 13 13:18
schestowitz-TR2do not assume goodwill anymoreOct 13 13:18
schestowitz-TR2it's run by foaming-at-the-mouth surveillance capitalistsOct 13 13:18
schestowitz-TR2look at their boardOct 13 13:18
DaemonFCFirefox Pocket "Sponsored Stories" was the camel's nose in the tent. They claimed the thing would run client-side and then pull down these ads straight from Mozilla without anyone getting personally identifiable info from you.Oct 13 13:18
DaemonFCNow this.Oct 13 13:18
schestowitz-TR2monopolists and misogynists Oct 13 13:18
techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▅▅▃▅▆▅▆▅▄▄▅▅▅▅▃▅▅▆▅▇▄▅▃▄▃▅▅▅▅▆▄▃▁ avg(k/sec) 23.31 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▁▂▂▄▄▁▂▂▁▁▂▄█▃▁▂▃▁▁▂▃▁▂▁▂▄▂▂▅▅▁▄▄▅▄▅▄▂▆▁ avg(k/sec) 22.90▕ swarm size (avg): 260.82  ⟲Oct 13 13:18
schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: you should cover thisOct 13 13:19
DaemonFCEven Vivaldi isn't this bad, or at least doesn't have to be.Oct 13 13:19
schestowitz-TR2I can give pointersOct 13 13:19
schestowitz-TR2I study every single post in  Planet Mozilla Oct 13 13:19
schestowitz-TR2bonus: they deleted many people from Planet MozillaOct 13 13:19
DaemonFCIt's easier to make Vivaldi shut up and turn off DRM and Bing, and after that it's just blowing away some default bookmarks.Oct 13 13:19
schestowitz-TR2often for political reasons aloneOct 13 13:20
schestowitz-TR2spying? OK.Oct 13 13:20
schestowitz-TR2Political views? YOU FASCIST!Oct 13 13:20
schestowitz-TR2don't shill vivalidOct 13 13:20
schestowitz-TR2we might come to regret itOct 13 13:20
schestowitz-TR2maybe Microsoft will buy itOct 13 13:20
schestowitz-TR2because Edge is a jokeOct 13 13:20
DaemonFCYes, Firefox is collapsing.Oct 13 13:20
schestowitz-TR2iirc, at one point there were rumours about Microsoft buying OperaOct 13 13:20
DaemonFCThere aren't too many more Firefox users at this point than Vivaldi.Oct 13 13:21
schestowitz-TR2but maybe I remember it wrong, it was a long long time agoOct 13 13:21
schestowitz-TR2let's send firefox users to freesw browsersOct 13 13:21
DaemonFCVivaldi is still a niche browser that's favored by power users.Oct 13 13:21
schestowitz-TR2not vivaldis and stufOct 13 13:21
schestowitz-TR2it's another burning platformOct 13 13:21
schestowitz-TR2vivaldi will sellOct 13 13:21
schestowitz-TR2opera sold to chinaOct 13 13:21
DaemonFCUnGoogled Chromium might be worth a look.Oct 13 13:21
schestowitz-TR2vivaldi is jon having another go at itOct 13 13:21
DaemonFCNo sync, but you can backup your passwords to CSV, which is supported by other browsers.Oct 13 13:22
schestowitz-TR2looking to sell when he herds enough "userbase"Oct 13 13:22
DaemonFCSo you could encrypt them and store the archive on storage you own.Oct 13 13:22
schestowitz-TR2no, google will pull the rugOct 13 13:22
schestowitz-TR2they already do this in numerous waysOct 13 13:22
schestowitz-TR2like facebook does to thinks that 'improve' itOct 13 13:22
schestowitz-TR2maybe Microsoft can also sue with patents or threaten to re VS CodeOct 13 13:22
schestowitz-TR2because someone decided to strip the blobs and "Telemetry" < Mozilla loves this termOct 13 13:23
schestowitz-TR2Mozilla can suck my big dataOct 13 13:23
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR2, The optometrist I go to still uses Opera 12.Oct 13 13:23
XRevan86"does discord actually make any money?" <- "Discord Nitro"Oct 13 13:24
DaemonFCIt's a dead platform obviously. Other than a few CVE fixes and new TLS certificates for people stuck on Windows XP, it hasn't been updated since the Chinese bought it.Oct 13 13:24
techrights-newsLHS Episode #434: Linux Install Media Deep Dive https://lhspodcast.info/2021/10/lhs-episode-434-linux-install-media-deep-dive-2/Oct 13 13:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lhspodcast.info | LHS Episode #434: Linux Install Media Deep Dive | Linux in the Ham ShackOct 13 13:24
schestowitzDaemonFC: https://baronhk.wordpress.com/contact/Oct 13 13:24
schestowitzput someting thereOct 13 13:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Contact – BaronHK's RantsOct 13 13:24
schestowitzmaybe even our irc address or channelOct 13 13:25
schestowitzso you can be reached in real timeOct 13 13:25
schestowitzyou leave no way to send you feedbackOct 13 13:25
schestowitzsome people send me messages about your articlesOct 13 13:25
schestowitzI then relay them to IRCOct 13 13:25
techrights-newsLOL. Bobby Borisov became a "useful idiot" of #microsoft jusy now. Helping them spam or #googlebomb "LINUX" with their #WSL2 crap, which is an ATTACK on #gnu #linux ... don't be their "useful idiots", people. Skip to the actual news. http://techrights.org/2021/10/05/microsoft-puff-pieces/Oct 13 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Edge on “Linux” Puff Pieces and WSL2 Fake “Linux” | TechrightsOct 13 13:27
techrights-news#UnGoogled #Chromium update for #Slackware 14.2 and -current | Alien Pastures ⚓ https://alien.slackbook.org/blog/un-googled-chromium-update-for-slackware-14-2-and-current/ #gnu #linuxOct 13 13:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-alien.slackbook.org | Un-Googled Chromium update for Slackware 14.2 and -current | Alien PasturesOct 13 13:28
techrights-newsmintCast 371.5 - Minus One - #mintCast ⚓ https://mintcast.org/2021/10/13/371-5-minus-one/ #gnu #linuxOct 13 13:29
-altlink_22b/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: mintcast.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://mintcast.org/2021/10/13/371-5-minus-one/Oct 13 13:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mintcast.org | 371.5 – Minus One – mintCastOct 13 13:29
techrights-news#wsl2 is a dying product. The press has no reason to mention it other than to help #vista11 #marketing spam campaign. http://techrights.org/2020/05/06/wsl2-usage-numbers/ other products that 'silently' died: http://techrights.org/wiki/Microsoft_-_Dead_Divisions_or_ProductsOct 13 13:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Only About 150,000 People Worldwide Use WSL2 (Windows Subsystem for Linux) | TechrightsOct 13 13:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft - Dead Divisions or Products - TechrightsOct 13 13:30
techrights-newsEven the #wsl2 'devs' (1) have called it quits (the leadership (2)). 1) http://techrights.org/2021/10/05/microsoft-puff-pieces/ 2) http://techrights.org/2021/06/01/the-death-of-wsl-and-wsl2/ #microsoft #wslOct 13 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Death of WSL and WSL2 | TechrightsOct 13 13:32
techrights-newsOld #techrights articles re #wsl http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/WSL WSL is NOT EVEN LINUX!! No Linux in it. It has been around for 4 YEARS! The WSL with Linux in it (2)? No users almost... http://techrights.org/2020/05/06/wsl2-usage-numbers/Oct 13 13:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | WSL - TechrightsOct 13 13:33
techrights-newsAll those #microsoft spam-loving 'journalists' who write about #wsl2 have no excuse for NOT covering #gnu #linux distros that have VASTLY MORE USERS than #wsl and "2" and "g" combined. But it's #corruptMedia ... it prioritises what pays.Oct 13 13:34
techrights-news#zdnet 'journaliism' (a clueless git, a dime a dozen): "Microsoft October 2021 Patch Tuesday: 71 vulnerabilities, four zero-days squashed". No mention of #nsa #backdoors because that's 'old news' and Microsoft pays ZDNet for fluff. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA http://techrights.org/wiki/ZDNetOct 13 13:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - TechrightsOct 13 13:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - TechrightsOct 13 13:38
DaemonFCschestowitz, I'm writing another one about GNOME Software.Oct 13 13:39
DaemonFCHow the reviews are utterly useless.Oct 13 13:39
techrights-newsTalking about #backdoors is "extreme" because you're not 'supposed' to think they exist. Oh, all right then... even #billBC covered this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34444233Oct 13 13:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Edward Snowden interview: 'Smartphones can be taken over' - BBC NewsOct 13 13:39
DaemonFC"Then there’s the people who are just outright stupid and give something a bad review just because they don’t know why it exists and does what it does, like the guy who complained that ungoogled-chromium doesn’t sync to Google’s servers."Oct 13 13:40
DaemonFCMinceR, ^Oct 13 13:40
techrights-news25 ways you can contribute to #KDE • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156724 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 13:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 25 ways you can contribute to KDE | Tux MachinesOct 13 13:40
schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: they areOct 13 13:40
schestowitz-TR2"useless"Oct 13 13:40
schestowitz-TR2like in AmazonOct 13 13:41
psydruidthey are aimed at "useful Idiots"Oct 13 13:41
psydruidwho can then spread the word of GNOMEOct 13 13:41
psydruidAbiword of GNOME?Oct 13 13:42
psydruidI remember when that was a really lightweight text processorOct 13 13:42
schestowitz-TR2AbiwordOct 13 13:43
psydruidand then last year when I tried it it seemed to load more slowly than LibeofficeOct 13 13:43
schestowitz-TR2I used it almost 20 years agoOct 13 13:43
schestowitz-TR2but I was into latexOct 13 13:43
schestowitz-TR2and lyxOct 13 13:43
psydruidLibreOffice*Oct 13 13:43
schestowitz-TR2so Abiword did not interest me muchOct 13 13:43
psydruidso was I, I only spun it up a few timesOct 13 13:43
schestowitz-TR2unless I was sent some "bad" file (DOC)Oct 13 13:43
psydruidand never used it for anythingOct 13 13:43
DaemonFC"I got ungoogled Chromium and it doesn't send my data to Google!!!!"Oct 13 13:47
DaemonFC"I demand that it send my data to Google!"Oct 13 13:47
DaemonFCUh, okay, run Chrome. It'll send it all to Google.Oct 13 13:47
activelowloving it: dev-qt/qtgui-5.15.2-r1 ./configure -no-opengl -no-egl ... OK. and then during compilation phase: "ERROR: The OpenGL functionality tests failed!"Oct 13 13:48
techrights-news#Singapore : Withdraw “foreign interference” #law or risk violating civic freedoms https://www.accessnow.org/singapore-foreign-interference-law/Oct 13 13:48
-altlink_22b/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: accessnow.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/singapore-foreign-interference-law/Oct 13 13:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.accessnow.org | Singapore: Withdraw “foreign interference” law or risk violating civic freedoms - Access NowOct 13 13:48
activelowfalkon browser depends on qtgui... maybe can be repairedOct 13 13:48
activelowthe fact that qtgui configure/compile is broken and no other distro had noticed some might want to disable opengl/egl ...Oct 13 13:49
techrights-newsAccess Now to Telenor’s Board: Stop the sale in Myanmar - Access Now ⚓ https://www.accessnow.org/telenor-board-stop-the-sale-myanmar/ ䷉ #accessnowOct 13 13:49
-altlink_22b/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: accessnow.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/telenor-board-stop-the-sale-myanmar/Oct 13 13:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.accessnow.org | Access Now to Telenor’s Board: Stop the sale in Myanmar - Access NowOct 13 13:49
activelowadd to this, there is no benefit for a 2d widget toolkit to depend on opengl and propietary hardwareOct 13 13:49
activelowsure, worse problems exist, nonethelessOct 13 13:50
techrights-news#microsoft employees defaming #techrights again. Links omitted.Oct 13 13:52
techrights-newsWhen I say employees I mean managers. Poor #microsoft ... we've struck a nerve.Oct 13 13:52
techrights-news#Singapore ’s anti-foreign interference law will ‘substantially narrow’ civic space, rights groups say https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3152161/singapores-anti-foreign-interference-law-will-substantiallyOct 13 13:55
-altlink_22b/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: scmp.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3152161/singapores-anti-foreign-interference-law-will-substantiallyOct 13 13:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scmp.com | Singapore’s anti-foreign interference law will ‘substantially narrow’ civic space, rights groups say | South China Morning PostOct 13 13:56
techrights-news#AccessNow report holds up poster child #Aadhaar as ‘Big ID’ bugbear | Biometric Update ⚓ https://www.biometricupdate.com/202110/access-now-report-holds-up-poster-child-aadhaar-as-big-id-bugbear ䷉ #biometricupdate https://www.livemint.com/Politics/MEm1Qz7e9nlYiFT3KbSNeK/CIA-may-have-access-to-Aadhaar-data-claims-WikiLeaks-report.htmlOct 13 13:57
-altlink_22b/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: biometricupdate.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.biometricupdate.com/202110/access-now-report-holds-up-poster-child-aadhaar-as-big-id-bugbearOct 13 13:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.biometricupdate.com | Access Now report holds up poster child Aadhaar as ‘Big ID’ bugbear | Biometric UpdateOct 13 13:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.livemint.com | CIA may have access to Aadhaar data, claims WikiLeaks report, govt deniesOct 13 13:57
MinceRDaemonFC: lolOct 13 13:57
techrights-newsIs #Australia becoming a #surveillance state? | IT PRO ⚓ https://www.itpro.co.uk/security/privacy/361191/is-australia-becoming-a-surveillance-state do bears poop in the woods?Oct 13 13:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itpro.co.uk | Is Australia becoming a surveillance state? | IT PROOct 13 13:57
activelowvery strange, qtgui configure script accepts no-opengl and no-egl, and then some configure check fails; repaired this now.Oct 13 13:59
activelowsuspect the compilation phase will break or any dependency linking against qtgui later.Oct 13 13:59
activelowi'll know soonOct 13 14:00
activelowcompiling ...Oct 13 14:00
techrights-newsLife Changing Virtualization | #LINUXUnplugged 427 https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/146427/life-changing-virtualization-linux-unplugged-427/ #gnu #linuxOct 13 14:03
-altlink_22b/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: jupiterbroadcasting.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/146427/life-changing-virtualization-linux-unplugged-427/Oct 13 14:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Life Changing Virtualization | LINUX Unplugged 427 | Jupiter BroadcastingOct 13 14:03
psydruidactivelow, I am getting more convinced that qt is bloat and should die and be replacedOct 13 14:04
MinceRit isOct 13 14:04
MinceRit was already bloated when they put half a window manager in it to support waylandOct 13 14:05
MinceRit got worse when they put 2 whole web browsers in itOct 13 14:05
psydruidand then they never took them out again, I supposeOct 13 14:07
MinceRmaybe they took out the older of the 2 browsersOct 13 14:07
MinceRalreadyOct 13 14:07
samiamsamyoOct 13 14:08
schestowitz-TR20/Oct 13 14:08
samiamsam:)Oct 13 14:09
techrights-newsAudiocasts/Shows: LINUX Unplugged, mintCast, Linux in the Ham Shack • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156725 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 14:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: LINUX Unplugged, mintCast, Linux in the Ham Shack | Tux MachinesOct 13 14:09
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156726 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 14:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesOct 13 14:09
techrights-news"Developed Brawsome emailed to note that their space sci-fi adventure Warp Frontier will be releasing for #Linux (and macOS) in November following the Windows release in late September." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/space-sci-fi-point-and-click-adventure-warp-frontier-releases-for-linux-in-novemberOct 13 14:10
-altlink_22b/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/space-sci-fi-point-and-click-adventure-warp-frontier-releases-for-linux-in-novemberOct 13 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Space sci-fi point and click adventure Warp Frontier releases for Linux in November | GamingOnLinuxOct 13 14:10
techrights-news"After the initial release back in July, No Longer Home from Humble Grove and Fellow Traveller has launched the GNU/Linux version. Funded on Kickstarter back in 2018, the original plan was to have #GNU #Linux support so it's good to see it land." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/magical-realist-point-and-click-adventure-no-longer-home-now-on-linuxOct 13 14:11
-altlink_22b/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/magical-realist-point-and-click-adventure-no-longer-home-now-on-linuxOct 13 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Magical realist point and click adventure No Longer Home now on Linux | GamingOnLinuxOct 13 14:11
techrights-newsDon’t penalise cybersecurity researchers! ⚓ https://internetfreedom.in/dont-penalise-cybersecurity-researchers/ ䷉ #internetfreedom #india #inOct 13 14:14
-altlink_22b/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: internetfreedom.in | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://internetfreedom.in/dont-penalise-cybersecurity-researchers/Oct 13 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-internetfreedom.in | Don’t penalise cybersecurity researchers!Oct 13 14:14
techrights-newsNo mention of #microsoft #windows at all? https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/germ-term-but-all-year-how-criminals-are-hacking-schools/ see http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/Oct 13 14:14
-altlink_22b/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: pentestpartners.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/germ-term-but-all-year-how-criminals-are-hacking-schools/Oct 13 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pentestpartners.com | Germ-term, but all year. How criminals are hacking schools | Pen Test PartnersOct 13 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | TechrightsOct 13 14:14
activelowyep... qtgui is completely broken without opengl/egl -> blacklistedOct 13 14:15
techrights-news"Back in 2007, I called this the “war on the unexpected.” It’s why “see something, say something” doesn’t work. If you put amateurs in the front lines of security, don’t be surprised when you get amateur security. I have lots of examples." https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2021/10/airline-passenger-mistakes-vintage-camera-for-a-bomb.htmlOct 13 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Airline Passenger Mistakes Vintage Camera for a Bomb - Schneier on SecurityOct 13 14:15
techrights-newsLast month Simon Sharwood carried on with his trolling of #torvalds and his Linux FUD. Now he's shilling #microsoft ATTACK on #gnu #linux (named "WSL") http://techrights.org/2021/09/13/simon-says/Oct 13 14:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Register Cannot Stop Trolling Linus Torvalds (It Recently Corrected Falsehoods in the Headlines, But No Lessons Have Been Learned) | TechrightsOct 13 14:19
DaemonFChttps://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/13/microsoft-and-cnet-confuse-users-with-fake-this-pc-cant-run-windows-11-errors-suggest-buying-a-completely-new-computer/Oct 13 14:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Microsoft and CNET confuse users with fake “This PC can’t run Windows 11” errors. Suggest buying a completely new computer. – BaronHK's RantsOct 13 14:26
schestowitz-TR2haOct 13 14:26
schestowitz-TR2they still trot out that crapOct 13 14:26
activelowputting the puzzle together: gtk (and qt) both depend on X11, gtk2/directfb is broken, gtk3/directfb is entirely goneOct 13 14:26
activelowboth qt and gtk3 depend on opengl, while gtk3 does cleanly compile without opengl at least, qtgui doesn't at allOct 13 14:27
psydruidwhat is the gtk2 codebase like?Oct 13 14:28
psydruidis there anything of value in it?Oct 13 14:28
activelowalthough X11 does not pull in proprietary crap (with opengl), gtk3(fixed) and qt(not fixed, not feasible) do pull in the crapOct 13 14:28
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR2, Added...."Fake Windows security is something that appeals to Pointy Haired Bosses and open source posers like Matthew Garrett. Don't let yourself be confused by the hype."Oct 13 14:28
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techrights-news#Games: Warp Frontier, Space Crew: Legendary Edition, No Longer Home, Doom Fighters • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156727 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Warp Frontier, Space Crew: Legendary Edition, No Longer Home, Doom Fighters | Tux MachinesOct 13 14:29
techrights-news#Microsoft and CNET confuse users with fake “This PC can’t run Windows 11” errors. Suggest buying a completely new computer. • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156728 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft and CNET confuse users with fake “This PC can’t run Windows 11” errors. Suggest buying a completely new computer. | Tux MachinesOct 13 14:29
activelowof cause, it is not a problem to compile and merge all this, it has become impossible if proprietary crap is forbiddenOct 13 14:29
DaemonFC"Windows itself is basically Pointy Haired Boss OS, and entire careers are minted from all the trouble it causes to organizations which "standardize" on it."Oct 13 14:30
schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC: you give too much publicity/credit to a loserOct 13 14:30
schestowitz-TR2people whose accomplishment is attacking society are better off forgottenOct 13 14:30
activelowpsydruid: gtk2 is mostly abandoned nowadays, few weeks ago libreoffice dropped gtk2 supportOct 13 14:30
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/Miguel_de_IcazaOct 13 14:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Miguel de Icaza - TechrightsOct 13 14:30
activelowa major difference of gtk2 was: no opengl dependency by default,Oct 13 14:30
schestowitzdon't worry, they make enough money from the criminalsOct 13 14:30
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/Miguel_de_IcazaOct 13 14:31
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psydruidactivelow, what about applications that still use it? are there any valuable ones keeping around?Oct 13 14:31
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schestowitz<http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/Oct 13 14:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and “Slush Funds” | TechrightsOct 13 14:31
schestowitzat the end people learn the factsOct 13 14:31
schestowitzlike with EPOOct 13 14:31
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schestowitzand all the rogues are avoided like lepersOct 13 14:31
schestowitzthen we move on with our lives Oct 13 14:31
schestowitzTorvalds is backOct 13 14:31
schestowitz(limited capacity)Oct 13 14:31
schestowitzRMS tooOct 13 14:31
psydruidthat's why MATE is still somewhat fastOct 13 14:31
schestowitzand we find ways around the neo-MaoistsOct 13 14:31
activelowpsydruid: gimp (which is gtk3 already), netsurf (supports both gtk2 and gtk3), maybe some GUI TeX frontend such as GummiOct 13 14:32
schestowitzpsydruid: it needs to delete github iircOct 13 14:32
psydruideven though they have probably moved to gtk3 by now as wellOct 13 14:32
schestowitza lot of mind things are outsourced to Microsoft, though it predates the takeoverOct 13 14:32
activelowGnu/Linux GUI desktop was ruinedOct 13 14:33
psydruidMiguel De RiquezaOct 13 14:33
schestowitz-TR2now we have also a Guido de IcazaOct 13 14:33
activelowit is fully locked into proprietary opengl now, even if llvm/clan softpipe exists, it's crapOct 13 14:33
schestowitz-TR2shilling proprietary software for moneyOct 13 14:33
schestowitz-TR2a shameOct 13 14:33
schestowitz-TR2he could retire with respect and disgnityOct 13 14:33
schestowitz-TR2he's 64 iircOct 13 14:33
psydruidactivelow, thanks for your answersOct 13 14:34
psydruidthe way I see it is that new libraries and new applications should be writtenOct 13 14:34
psydruidotherwise you are dependent on a drug dealer giving you "apps", if you are willing to sell your soulOct 13 14:35
activelowoh, i see, gimp sticked to gtk2 here >=x11-libs/gtk+-2.24.32:2Oct 13 14:35
techrights-news#qt blog shilling #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware today. Not good, not good at all. Shilling their own is one thing; shilling for Microsoft, with #surveillance added, is a terrible sign.Oct 13 14:35
activelowthat's ok, so gimp is safe for nowOct 13 14:35
activelowlibreoffice-5.x should be safe tooOct 13 14:35
psydruidbenevolent dictators who are also grifting as a careerOct 13 14:36
psydruidthe best of both worldsOct 13 14:36
activelowgummi tex editor, an older version in gentoo tree is gtk2, latest version is gtk3Oct 13 14:36
psydruidwe lost track of things over time thinking that gtk and qt were the only toolkits when there should have been more to keep these honestOct 13 14:37
techrights-news#zdnet and its sister site #techrepublic keep telling us (even today; links omitted) MASTER, MASTERING etc. Even after #ibm and #microsoft paid them to say to readers that it's racist. Because, you see... it's OK for them to say it. But community? Community is racist. http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#RacismOct 13 14:37
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psydruidbut I say they have been playing a number on a gullible free software community that didn't see the dangers until it was too lateOct 13 14:38
psydruidor where the formerly free software community was co-opted and pulled into corporations so there wasn't any outside community leftOct 13 14:38
activelowX11 itself recently locked into evdev, which i did block too, for nowOct 13 14:38
activelowso, this is what remained: X11/gtk2 and some legacy gtk2 apps disappearing from the gentoo treeOct 13 14:39
activelowqt5 is gone alreadyOct 13 14:39
techrights-news#gnu #linux distro from #italy , #openmamba 20211012, is out. I like how their site says "Free software" http://openmamba.org/Oct 13 14:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-openmamba.org | openmambaOct 13 14:40
psydruidwhat also bothers me is how a lot of applications are locked into certain toolkitsOct 13 14:40
*activelow cannot believe itOct 13 14:40
psydruidif the toolkit dies, the application dies with itOct 13 14:40
activelowthey effectively killed free and opensource linux desktop if opengl/systemd/.. are blacklistedOct 13 14:41
techrights-news"ZDNet Academy" = misleading euphemism for #zdnet SPAM SECTION. They even misuse the term "Academy" to whiten their SPAM. #boycottzdnet ... it needs to be burned to the ground; #microsoft propaganda machine http://techrights.org/wiki/ZDNetOct 13 14:43
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activelowi am willing to listen to any argument, if opengl vendor lock-in was either necessary or desireableOct 13 14:43
activelowin any case, it is fact. and my opinion is this: it is not desireable, and it certainly was not necessary to do it.Oct 13 14:44
techrights-news#SparkyLinux 2021.10 • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156729 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Sparky 2021.10 | Tux MachinesOct 13 14:44
psydruidbut what if you actually do need 3d graphics?Oct 13 14:46
techrights-news"When the pandemic struck, most organizations had no choice but to accelerate their digital technology adoption" or in the case of #ibm (this site's owner) to ACCELERATE THE BRUTAL #layoffs https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/10/digital-transformation-3-myths-pandemic-bustedOct 13 14:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | Digital transformation: 3 myths the pandemic busted | The Enterprisers ProjectOct 13 14:46
activelowi do remember GNU was considering to implement some replacement for llvm/clang mesa-openglOct 13 14:47
activelowthe problem i see is this: the strong dependency, the hard lock-inOct 13 14:47
techrights-news"The point of such policies is to educate people on organizational rules and the habits of good security hygiene." https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/10/security-policy-how-to-create don't ask #ibm #redhat for advice on #security http://techrights.org/2021/01/30/fake-security/Oct 13 14:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | How to create an effective security policy: 6 tips | The Enterprisers ProjectOct 13 14:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Fake Security is Still a Real Problem, Even in the GNU/Linux (and BSD) Spheres | TechrightsOct 13 14:48
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/784694.jpgOct 13 14:48
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psydruid is there any graphics solution for 3d that doesn't rely on millions of lines of obfuscated source code and closed firmware?Oct 13 14:48
MinceRmaybe an unaccelerated oneOct 13 14:48
activelowllvm/clang is BSD(?) licensed, ok. people want to use it, ok. it is bloated and slow and fat, a matter of taste, ok. what i do not accept is it being *enforced* as strong dependency to keep gnu/linux desktop.Oct 13 14:49
psydruidapart from lima, panfrost and the likes that were developed after a long time of reverse engineeringOct 13 14:49
schestowitz-TR2MinceR: haOct 13 14:49
schestowitz-TR2no idea with this "boi" thing isOct 13 14:49
schestowitz-TR2I can guessOct 13 14:49
MinceR:)Oct 13 14:49
activelowpsydruid: with panfrost/lima i only consider the framebuffer provided, opengl is meh.Oct 13 14:49
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psydruidsome people want to play games or use applications for modelling such as freecad or blenderOct 13 14:50
activelowand it is 2d graphical desktop which insists on opengl now... what a nonsenseOct 13 14:50
techrights-newsVulkan 1.2.196 Introduces H.265 Encode Extension - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Vulkan-1.2.196-H265-Encode ䷉ #PhoronixOct 13 14:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Vulkan 1.2.196 Introduces H.265 Encode Extension - PhoronixOct 13 14:51
gustafactivelow: if opengl proprietary because you need a license to call it "opengl" ? Oct 13 14:51
activeloweven ancient i486 CPU could render 2D without any "acceleration" at allOct 13 14:51
activelowgustaf: the hardwareOct 13 14:51
gustafah ok Oct 13 14:51
techrights-news#Mesa 21.3 Fixes Issue Of Some Games Having Transparency Issues Under #Wayland - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mesa-21.3-Fixes-Wayland-Trans ䷉ #Phoronix #Linux #GraphicsOct 13 14:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mesa 21.3 Fixes Issue Of Some Games Having Transparency Issues Under Wayland - PhoronixOct 13 14:51
activelowand remember, how long it took to reverse-engineer the binary shit for panfrost/lima?Oct 13 14:51
activelowwhich shouldn't at least be required to do, for some 2d gnu/linux graphical desktop.Oct 13 14:52
psydruiddo you believe gnu/linux desktop developers sided with the hardware industry to conspire against users?Oct 13 14:54
techrights-newsDAMON Extended To Offer Physical Memory Address Space Monitoring - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=DAMON-Physical-Monitoring ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧Oct 13 14:54
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activelowpsydruid: some didOct 13 14:54
psydruidforcing hardware upgrades where there was no need for it?Oct 13 14:54
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techrights-news#Loongson Volleys Latest Patches For #LoongArch Linux Support - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LoongArch-Linux-v5 ䷉ #cn #Linux #chinaOct 13 14:55
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gustafgood overview of sound historically on Linux and FreeBSD https://lobste.rs/s/moflv5/freebsd_audio_from_perspective_happy#c_mqvrooOct 13 14:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lobste.rs | FreeBSD audio from a perspective of a happy user | LobstersOct 13 14:56
psydruidI think it's damning that people can be bribed so easily to benefit only themselves at the expense of the manyOct 13 14:56
activelowthis is what i'll do next: blacklist gtk3,qt5, opengl/mesa are blacklisted already, and keep X11/gtk2 only and whatever remaining deserves maintenanceOct 13 14:56
techrights-news#AMD Radeon RX 6600 Linux Performance • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156732 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD Radeon RX 6600 Linux Performance | Tux MachinesOct 13 14:57
techrights-news#Graphics: OpenCL, Mesa, Vulkan • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156733 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: OpenCL, Mesa, Vulkan | Tux MachinesOct 13 14:57
activelowand from there no upgrade path remains anyymore for linux gui desktopOct 13 14:57
activelowthis is what i mean, tuxmachines, advertising this shit]Oct 13 14:57
techrights-news7.4M #IOPS Achieved Per-Core With Newest Linux Patches - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=7.4M-IOPS-Linux-Per-Core ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/10/13/#latestOct 13 14:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media PostsOct 13 14:57
samiamsamactivelow: you use btrfs?Oct 13 14:57
schestowitz-TR2activelow: which one, mesa?Oct 13 14:57
schestowitz-TR2mesa isn't the worst of our problemsOct 13 14:58
schestowitz-TR2tuxmachines also mentions proprietary gamesOct 13 14:58
schestowitz-TR2helps starve windowsOct 13 14:58
activelowwishthinkingOct 13 14:58
activelowsamiamsam: noOct 13 14:58
schestowitz-TR2you might be rightOct 13 14:59
schestowitz-TR2because windows kills itselfOct 13 15:00
schestowitz-TR2so we might not need to worry about steam drm shiteOct 13 15:00
activelowi am not opposing steam, if anyone desires thisOct 13 15:00
activelowproblem is almost the entire linux gui desktop was locked into proprietary vendor extensions and opengl, which i do not acceptOct 13 15:01
activelowopengl, ok. but not as a hard requirementOct 13 15:01
schestowitz-TR2i see..Oct 13 15:01
activelowstrong dependencyOct 13 15:01
schestowitz-TR2not just in kde?Oct 13 15:01
schestowitz-TR2and in gnome?Oct 13 15:01
samiamsamactivelow: rsync?Oct 13 15:02
schestowitz-TR2their toolkits are to blameOct 13 15:02
activelowalmost all of it is gone except for x11/gtk2 and what remains with itOct 13 15:02
activelowsamiamsam: ? rsync isn't a gui desktop component.Oct 13 15:02
techrights-news#Kernel: Performance, Chinese Hardware, and DAMON • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156734 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 15:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Performance, Chinese Hardware, and DAMON | Tux MachinesOct 13 15:03
samiamsamactivelow: i mean, do you use rsync?Oct 13 15:03
activelowwhy?Oct 13 15:03
activelowand sure, rsync is necessary.Oct 13 15:03
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techrights-news#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156731 #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 15:04
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techrights-news#Adobe Gives a Free PDF Editor for Google Chrome and Edge Users • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156730 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Adobe Gives a Free PDF Editor for Google Chrome and Edge Users | Tux MachinesOct 13 15:05
activelowschestowitz-TR2: there is no upgrade path remaining anymoreOct 13 15:05
psydruidif you remove mesa the 2d desktop breaks?Oct 13 15:06
techrights-news#google lies https://www.techradar.com/news/google-dismisses-claims-android-smartphones-snoop-on-usersOct 13 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google dismisses claims Android smartphones snoop on users | TechRadarOct 13 15:06
samiamsamactivelow: you can send me your rootfs over rsyncOct 13 15:07
activelowpsydruid: not everything, qtgui breaks, gtk3 by default insists on opengl (can be fixed)Oct 13 15:08
psydruidI'm not sure I care about qtgui that much anymoreOct 13 15:08
schestowitz-TR2https://nitter.eu/GATETA30/status/1448283260543451138#mOct 13 15:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.eu | GATETA30 (@GATETA30): "93/100: Aquí se puede ver y analizar una extensa lista de datos y una cronología de todas las irregularidades relacionadas con la Fundación Bill y Melinda Gates:http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique" | nitterOct 13 15:08
psydruidI have only one of my systems still running KDE PlasmaOct 13 15:08
samiamsamactivelow: rsync to d@cryptonomic.net:public_rsync/Oct 13 15:08
psydruidand don't indent to put it on anything olderOct 13 15:09
MinceRhttps://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/agiOct 13 15:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - AGIOct 13 15:09
*schestowitz-TR2 does not know what the above saysOct 13 15:09
schestowitz-TR2MinceR:  Hey GI!!Oct 13 15:10
schestowitz-TR2"wanna have fun?"Oct 13 15:10
psydruidHere you can see and analyze an extended list of dates (or data) and a chronology of all the irregularities related to the Bill and Melinda Gates FoundationOct 13 15:10
schestowitz-TR2thanks!Oct 13 15:10
schestowitz-TR2that was mins agoOct 13 15:10
schestowitz-TR2earlier today I forgot what I had been planning to writeOct 13 15:11
schestowitz-TR22 hours later I am still trying to recall; I just know it's not importantOct 13 15:11
*schestowitz-TR2 needs to take more notes to offload thoughts onto 'paper'Oct 13 15:11
schestowitz-TR2DaemonFC has been quiet, maybe he's typingOct 13 15:11
psydruidThat's good, he's been very productive latelyOct 13 15:12
schestowitz-TR2yeahOct 13 15:12
*activelow departs for a short napOct 13 15:12
schestowitz-TR2many channels active today, so my mind is all clutteredOct 13 15:12
schestowitz-TR2all I can do is take more notesOct 13 15:12
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psydruidI am getting the idea the channels are more active than they were on FreenodeOct 13 15:13
techrights-news#documentfoundation os #libreoffice working to improve #accessibility https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/10/13/tender-to-implement-c-accessibility-tests-202110-01/ #freeswOct 13 15:13
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schestowitz-TR2the log for this channel alone was almost 1mb yesterdayOct 13 15:14
schestowitz-TR2the channels were also very busy 10+ years agoOct 13 15:14
schestowitz-TR2back then more people used ircOct 13 15:14
schestowitz-TR2during the days of flux over irc networks it was also very busyOct 13 15:14
schestowitz-TR2almost 100 online users 'here' (but in freenode)Oct 13 15:14
schestowitz-TR2but a lot of noise tooOct 13 15:14
schestowitz-TR2and people fighting, which helps nobodyOct 13 15:15
techrights-news#ibm #redhat de-commoditising #containers https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/sudo-rootless-podman #vendorLockinOct 13 15:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Why can't I use sudo with rootless Podman? | Enable SysadminOct 13 15:17
techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▂▃▄▂▃▅▅▂▆▆▅▃▅▅▇▅▅▃▃▃▁▂▆▄▅▃▆▅▃▆▄▅▇▁ avg(k/sec) 22.06 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▁▁▂▃▁▃▂▂▂▁▂▅▁▁▂▂▂▁▁▁▃▂▃▃▁▁▂▁▄▅▂█▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 7.66▕ swarm size (avg): 260.80  ⟲Oct 13 15:18
techrights-news#ibm #redhat : CANCEL the founder of GNU!!!! Also IBM, Red Hat, today: we LOVE GNU! It's OURS! ALL MINE! https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2021/10/13/printf-style-debugging-using-gdb-part-2Oct 13 15:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Printf-style debugging using GDB, Part 2 | Red Hat DeveloperOct 13 15:19
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activelowsamiamsam: what would you want with the rootfs?Oct 13 15:20
schestowitz-TR2make me a sanwichOct 13 15:20
schestowitz-TR2*sandOct 13 15:20
schestowitz-TR2!!Oct 13 15:20
*MinceR casts Baleful PolymorphOct 13 15:21
MinceRyou are now a sandwich.Oct 13 15:21
schestowitz-TR2sudo su sandwichOct 13 15:21
*schestowitz-TR2 is now known as sandwichOct 13 15:21
*sandwich is now known as sandwitzOct 13 15:21
MinceRlolOct 13 15:21
techrights-news#Archman 20211012 is out. #gnu #linux http://archman.org/ #turkey #trOct 13 15:23
-altlink_22b/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: archman.org | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://archman.org/Oct 13 15:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archman.org | Archman GNU/LinuxOct 13 15:23
techrights-news#Archcraft October Release Available • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156735 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 15:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Archcraft October Release Available | Tux MachinesOct 13 15:25
samiamsamactivelow: i would try to boot itOct 13 15:26
techrights-newsIgor Seletskiy Steps Down to Assure #AlmaLinux Independence - FOSS Force ⚓ https://fossforce.com/2021/10/igor-seletskiy-steps-down-to-assure-almalinux-independence/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=igor-seletskiy-steps-down-to-assure-almalinux-independence ䷉ @brideoflinux from @fossforce has been watching them closely... #clownlinuxOct 13 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Igor Seletskiy Steps Down to Assure AlmaLinux Independence - FOSS ForceOct 13 15:26
techrights-newsLatest #RedHat #IBM corporate plunder of #feminism as a movement ⚓ https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/celebrating-ada-lovelace-4-career-lessons-women-technology IBM sexism: http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#SexismOct 13 15:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Celebrating Ada Lovelace with 4 career lessons from women in technologyOct 13 15:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM - TechrightsOct 13 15:28
techrights-news#ibm #redhat pushing #vendorLockin such as #Ansible under the guise of #kubernetes training https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/kube-example-expands-training-curriculum-new-learning-paths-kubernetes-developersOct 13 15:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Kube by Example expands training curriculum with new learning paths for Kubernetes developersOct 13 15:30
DaemonFCschestowitz, Facebook said my news comment goes against their standard. I said I hope that since the Taliban don't want American help in dealing with ISIS, that they enjoy being beheaded themselves when the even more fanatical Muslims eventually destroy them.Oct 13 15:31
DaemonFCI wonder who I offended. ISIS, or the Taliban.Oct 13 15:31
MinceR(cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/cute-baby-animal-photos-26.jpgOct 13 15:31
-altlink_22b/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/cute-baby-animal-photos-26.jpgOct 13 15:31
sandwitzyou triggered "bad words"Oct 13 15:31
sandwitzthose words can trigger peopleOct 13 15:31
sandwitzdid you add "content waning"?Oct 13 15:32
sandwitzof course it has been proven they do not workOct 13 15:32
sandwitzin fact, they entice people to click and/or read onOct 13 15:32
sandwitzDaemonFC: why did you mention "bad words"Oct 13 15:32
sandwitz"THOSE BAD WORDS... they just WO'T GO AWAY"Oct 13 15:32
sandwitz#FreeBritneyOct 13 15:32
sandwitz#LeaveBritneyAloneOct 13 15:32
gustafschestowitz: was the raw log 1MB, or the generated one? Oct 13 15:34
sandwitzhtmlOct 13 15:34
sandwitzI can check the output reportOct 13 15:34
sandwitzit comes up 4amOct 13 15:34
sandwitzI have it automated fullyOct 13 15:34
sandwitzthe code is in gemini://Oct 13 15:35
DaemonFChttps://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/13/facebook-insulting-the-taliban-will-get-you-talibanned/Oct 13 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Facebook: Insulting the Taliban will get you Talibanned. – BaronHK's RantsOct 13 15:35
schestowitzgemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/tr-git/IRC/Oct 13 15:35
schestowitzDaemonFC: nice play of wordOct 13 15:36
techrights-news#facebook is like #twitter ... protecting extremists. Recently, #trump lawyers made an argument that's unfortunately legit (sitting US president banned, Taliban... OK!) https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/13/facebook-insulting-the-taliban-will-get-you-talibanned/Oct 13 15:37
DaemonFCschestowitz, "Regardless, I think we ought to really thank Facebook for creating a safe space for pigdogs who rape 12 year olds."Oct 13 15:38
sandwitzdon't worryOct 13 15:38
sandwitzI'm sure they'll marry them laterOct 13 15:38
sandwitzto spite their headsOct 13 15:38
sandwitzit's not rape if she becomes the bride afterwardsOct 13 15:39
DaemonFCThey don't like pigs, so pigdog seemed appropriate.Oct 13 15:39
DaemonFCNeither one is a very clean animal.Oct 13 15:39
sandwitzdogs and pigs are niceOct 13 15:39
DaemonFCThey both roll around in their own shit.Oct 13 15:39
sandwitztaliban are notOct 13 15:39
sandwitzstop offending dogs and pigsOct 13 15:39
sandwitzyou can be banned!!Oct 13 15:39
sandwitzbut facebook might look at it differentlyOct 13 15:39
sandwitzyou offend head choppersOct 13 15:39
sandwitzby comparing them to harmless animalsOct 13 15:39
DaemonFCCats obsessively groom themselves.Oct 13 15:40
sandwitzthey doOct 13 15:40
sandwitzwe like the neighbour's catsOct 13 15:40
sandwitz3 of themOct 13 15:40
sandwitzrianne interacted with one this morningOct 13 15:40
DaemonFCDogs are like "OH GOOD A PILE OF SHIT! OH BOY, SHIT! I WANNA ROLL IN SHIT! PLEASE LET ME ROLL IN THE SHIT!"Oct 13 15:40
sandwitzthey come to our garden and hang around, Oct 13 15:40
sandwitznot buying a dog yetOct 13 15:41
DaemonFCI was constantly giving our dog a bath because my mom would let her out with no leash on and she's come back in after rolling in shit.Oct 13 15:41
sandwitzdogs are fun in summerOct 13 15:41
sandwitzwalking them when it's -5 outside... not to funOct 13 15:41
sandwitz*tooOct 13 15:41
DaemonFCOne winter, she came back in the house and i said, "What's that in your mouth?", and she plopped it on the floor.Oct 13 15:41
DaemonFCA pile of frozen shit. Which I dubbed, the turdcicle. Oct 13 15:41
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sandwitzlo, gratsOct 13 15:42
*sandwitz is now known as schestowitz-TROct 13 15:42
DaemonFCOther than that, she was a good dog.Oct 13 15:42
schestowitz-TRwhat a bitchOct 13 15:42
schestowitzactivelow: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=R300-Friday-Night-2021Oct 13 15:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nearly Two Decades Later, ATI Radeon R300 Linux Driver Sees Occasional Improvement - PhoronixOct 13 15:43
activelowschestowitz: what would i want with this?Oct 13 15:43
schestowitz-TR20 years oldOct 13 15:44
schestowitz-TRnon-freeOct 13 15:44
schestowitz-TRbut comes to show it IS possible for companies to 'care'Oct 13 15:44
techrights-news#IBM , #RedHat , and #AlmaLinux • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156736 #GNU #LinuxOct 13 15:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM, Red Hat, and AlmaLinux | Tux MachinesOct 13 15:45
techrights-news#Security Leftovers • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156737Oct 13 15:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesOct 13 15:45
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, Have you heard of a company called TuxCare?Oct 13 15:46
DaemonFCI came across them claiming to offer paid EOL support for ancient RHEL and clones.Oct 13 15:46
schestowitz-TRyesOct 13 15:46
schestowitz-TRSJVN shills themOct 13 15:46
schestowitz-TRzdnet is 90% spamOct 13 15:46
DaemonFCIsn't migrate2rocky.sh easier for at least recent CentOS releases?Oct 13 15:47
schestowitz-TR[14:43] <techrights-news> "ZDNet Academy" = misleading euphemism for #zdnet SPAM SECTION. They even misuse the term "Academy" to whiten their SPAM. #boycottzdnet ... it needs to be burned to the ground; #microsoft propaganda machine http://techrights.org/wiki/ZDNetOct 13 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - TechrightsOct 13 15:47
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: rocky I've not triedOct 13 15:47
schestowitz-TRand running some random shell script looks iffyOct 13 15:47
DaemonFCTuxCare is trying to scare people that CentOS will be "unsupported" when you could just use the migration script to Rocky and get updates for free.Oct 13 15:47
schestowitz-TRthat suggests they are still in early stagesOct 13 15:48
DaemonFCIt just changes your package manager repos around to point to theirs.Oct 13 15:48
DaemonFCOracle and Red Hat do the same.Oct 13 15:48
schestowitz-TRunless you run that on some test box and prayOct 13 15:48
DaemonFCTo steal each others customers and migrate people off of CentOS.Oct 13 15:48
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: they just sign some paperworkOct 13 15:49
schestowitz-TRpay loads of moneyOct 13 15:49
schestowitz-TRfor SLAOct 13 15:49
schestowitz-TRso they can blame someoneOct 13 15:49
DaemonFCI mean, in theory at least you could go from it being CentOS to RHEL to Oracle to Rocky without even reinstalling the OS.Oct 13 15:49
schestowitz-TRthey rarely open a ticketOct 13 15:49
schestowitz-TRit's a huge waste of moneyOct 13 15:49
DaemonFCWith those scripts.Oct 13 15:49
schestowitz-TRjust for arse-coveringOct 13 15:49
schestowitz-TRor "compliance"Oct 13 15:49
DaemonFCSomeone asked me about Pure OS and I had to say I didn't know other than it was based on Debian.Oct 13 15:50
DaemonFCAnd why would you do that? What's the benefit? You get their business ambitions in the way of your computing, like Ubuntu.Oct 13 15:50
DaemonFCThey may go bust and there's no easy migration to Debian?Oct 13 15:51
schestowitz-TRI think there isOct 13 15:51
schestowitz-TRmaybe not very easyOct 13 15:51
schestowitz-TRsame for devuanOct 13 15:51
DaemonFCThe fact that Devuan makes mjg59 hiss makes me want to try it out.Oct 13 15:52
DaemonFCHe implies there's something broken about a system that changes away from 2 million lines of systemd that still hangs on reboot 7 years later.Oct 13 15:52
DaemonFCIt's not very inspiring when you look at the commit log and after Poettering himself, #2 by commits is Kay Sievers, which Linus Torvalds has chewed out over braindead stupid ideas like kdbus.Oct 13 15:54
DaemonFCThey want to take a giant attack surface that has horrible performance chokepoints, and instead of fixing it, shove it into the kernel where it will have to be maintained by somebody else.Oct 13 15:55
DaemonFCThey still want to do that.Oct 13 15:55
DaemonFCIt's not bad enough that dbus is there to begin with.Oct 13 15:55
activelowmy grievance with systemd/dbus : it is being *enforced* almost always, similar to UEFI which is enforcedOct 13 15:55
DaemonFCmjg59 pretends at security a lot, but with shit like kdbus being proposed, I mean....Oct 13 15:56
DaemonFCThe kernel is already hard to audit. Much of it is code dumps, especially in drivers, with no explanation of how it works.Oct 13 15:56
DaemonFCWith things like kdbus in there, it'll be even harder to audit, and then we're supposed to trust that broken firmware and his idiotic kernel lockdown shit that just breaks the kernel MORE is going to paper over all of that.Oct 13 15:57
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psydruidreading the Wikipedia article about dbus things are still not that clear to meOct 13 15:58
DaemonFC"As a very unfortunate side effect, we're breaking power management, but on the upside at least my paycheck from Microsoft cleared the bank again this week!" - mjg59 on kernel lockdown (not an actual quote)Oct 13 15:58
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: devuan is resistance against IBM HatOct 13 15:58
schestowitz-TRthe troll got many salaries from IBM HatOct 13 15:58
DaemonFCHe's bungling around pretending to make progress in getting Hibernation working again.Oct 13 15:58
psydruidwhy is it needed and why couldn't System V message passing be used for that?Oct 13 15:59
schestowitz-TRhe is not a programmerOct 13 15:59
DaemonFCBut it's clear he has made no actual progress and wouldn't know where to begin.Oct 13 15:59
schestowitz-TRhe's a failed biologistOct 13 15:59
schestowitz-TRwho messed around with codeOct 13 15:59
psydruidand why not have something like micro-permissions?Oct 13 15:59
DaemonFCHe keeps blogging that he hit another way to make it not work properly.Oct 13 15:59
activelowpsydruid: dbus does not require any replacementOct 13 15:59
DaemonFCIt works fine with secure boot turned off or kernel lockdown not on.Oct 13 15:59
activelowdesktop processes need not to pass messages aroundOct 13 16:00
psydruidactivelow, I don't know what purpose it servesOct 13 16:00
psydruidthis is like Windows with its OLE stuffOct 13 16:00
schestowitz-TRpeople who cannot code join cults, like miguel de icaza and nat friedmanOct 13 16:00
activelowand certainly doesn't dbus need to hoock into system-auth, network-config, and whatever else there isOct 13 16:00
activelowhookOct 13 16:00
DaemonFCWe need mjg59 to save us from malware. Theoretical malware. When he says it's not theoretical, just look, it ends up being a screen shot involving Windows Boot Manager.Oct 13 16:00
schestowitz-TRor join "anti-harassment teams" and stuffOct 13 16:00
DaemonFCThat famous GNU project. Windows Boot Manager.Oct 13 16:01
DaemonFCOn every "Linux" PC. Windows Boot Manager.Oct 13 16:01
*schestowitz-TR preparing Daily LinksOct 13 16:01
psydruidGrand Unified Windows Boot ManagerOct 13 16:01
activelowthe promis was with such components in place (dbus,systemd,polkit,pulseaudio) user comfort was increasedOct 13 16:02
psydruidto go where no boot manager has gone beforeOct 13 16:02
psydruidand was it?Oct 13 16:02
activeloweven if, i don't think it does in the end, i do NOT want any of this being enforced, because it has severe disadvantages tooOct 13 16:02
activelowi rather type some config into .asoundrc or ifconfig up/down something, instead of risking authentication being hijacked by dbusOct 13 16:03
activelowwhen, in parallel web browser too attaches to this message busOct 13 16:03
psydruidso the idea is useful and the implementation is bad?Oct 13 16:04
psydruidor is the entire idea bad and it shouldn't have existed at all?Oct 13 16:04
activelowmy opinion? I think it is both a bad idea which cannot be implemented without severe problems.Oct 13 16:04
activelowhowever, this is not my decision to be made. my decision is this: i do not want it. if anyone else wants this, ok. enforcing this onto those who reject it is criminal.Oct 13 16:06
techrights-newsLinks 13/10/2021: #SparkyLinux 2021.10 and New Archcraft • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/10/13/sparky-2021-10/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/13/sparky-2021-10/Oct 13 16:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 13/10/2021: Sparky 2021.10 and New Archcraft | TechrightsOct 13 16:14
techrights-news#Programming Leftovers • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156738Oct 13 16:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux MachinesOct 13 16:14
techrights-news#PostgreSQL Leftovers • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156739Oct 13 16:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PostgreSQL Leftovers | Tux MachinesOct 13 16:15
activelowanyway, uefi and systemd are separate concerns. i reject both of them.Oct 13 16:16
techrights-newstoday’s leffovers • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156740 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 16:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesOct 13 16:16
techrights-news#UnGoogled #Chromium and PDF Editor for #Google #Chrome • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156741 #TuxMachinesOct 13 16:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Un-Googled Chromium and PDF Editor for Google Chrome | Tux MachinesOct 13 16:16
schestowitz-TRactivelow: the issues are differentOct 13 16:17
schestowitz-TRalso, uefi and 'secure' boot are not the sameOct 13 16:17
schestowitz-TRuefi has issues with complexityOct 13 16:18
schestowitz-TRthe bios companies and intel try  to keep workers occupiedOct 13 16:18
schestowitz-TRso they add more bloatOct 13 16:18
schestowitz-TReven if nobody needs it or asked for itOct 13 16:18
schestowitz-TRthey call it "innovation"Oct 13 16:18
schestowitz-TRsystem: how about if we also replace [x]?Oct 13 16:19
schestowitz-TRthey spread it like a cancerOct 13 16:19
schestowitz-TRuntil they get to the kernelOct 13 16:19
schestowitz-TRand schedulers etc.Oct 13 16:19
schestowitz-TRby then, maybe zemlin will have torvalds wrapped up in a straitjacket with masking tape on the mouthOct 13 16:19
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techrights-newsLinks 13/10/2021: #SparkyLinux 2021.10 and New Archcraft • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/10/13/sparky-2021-10/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/13/sparky-2021-10/Oct 13 16:21
techrights-newsHa. #watchtroll using "HEY HI" again as placeholder or euphemism for lousy #fakepatents and #swpats ... or ones that are merely program output ("Where We Are on AI Inventorship and Where We Should be Heading")Oct 13 16:22
*Noisytoot (~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot) has joined #techrightsOct 13 16:23
techrights-newsThis is framed as a shameless #advertisement instead of actual reporting about a #patent case. #JUVE is a marketing company now, which occasionally lies for lobbyists. https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/koenig-bauer-wins-infringement-case-against-hebenstreit/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/JuveOct 13 16:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Koenig & Bauer wins infringement case against Hebenstreit - JUVE PatentOct 13 16:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Juve - TechrightsOct 13 16:24
activelowschestowitz-TR: if intel staff is bored i had enough work for themOct 13 16:26
activelowbeginning with, some real science and engineeringOct 13 16:27
schestowitz-TRthat's hardOct 13 16:27
schestowitz-TRit's easier to open a github accountOct 13 16:27
schestowitz-TRthey drove out the real scientistsOct 13 16:27
schestowitz-TRwho resignedOct 13 16:27
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaksOct 13 16:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - TechrightsOct 13 16:27
techrights-news"Mr. #Iancu had gutted the #PTAB IPR (inter partes review) part of the AIA by establishing a discretionary-denial regime." http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/10/restoring-america-invents-act.html see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Andrei_IancuOct 13 16:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Restoring the America Invents Act: legislative measure to defend post-grant review of U.S. patents welcomed by tech industry, patent expertsOct 13 16:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Andrei Iancu - TechrightsOct 13 16:31
techrights-newsInstead of #journalism JUVE is now doing ads for #law firms, puff pieces thinly disguised as nothing but "case studies"; JUVE is just a PR agency now https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/hanwha-q-cells-and-hoyng-rokh-monegier-win-cross-border-injunction-against-longi/Oct 13 16:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Hanwha Q-Cells and Hoyng ROKH Monegier win cross-border injunction against Longi - JUVE PatentOct 13 16:32
techrights-newsMisusing the words "IP" (which are both inappropriate for the subject at hand https://www.managingip.com/article/b1tzjl13g93h2k/opinion-tired-of-brexit-the-exhaustion-is-still-to-comeOct 13 16:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Opinion: Tired of Brexit? The exhaustion is still to come! | Managing Intellectual PropertyOct 13 16:34
techrights-news#Texas run by corrupt judges who treat their courts like for-profit corporations; the higher #patent courts belatedly tackle this #corruption from the whackos of #Waco http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/10/13/patent-case-in-re-juniper-networks-inc-usa/Oct 13 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Patent case: In re Juniper Networks Inc., USA - Kluwer Patent BlogOct 13 16:36
techrights-newsOh gosh. #fakesecurity on steroids. Yes, let's trust this "third party"; great idea!! https://www.maketecheasier.com/1password-share-passwords-via-secure-link/Oct 13 16:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | 1Password Now Allows You to Share Passwords via Secure Link - Make Tech EasierOct 13 16:39
techrights-news#WallStreet ’s Takeover of #Nature Advances with Launch of New Asset Class ⚓ https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/10/investigative-reports/wall-streets-takeover-of-nature-advances-with-launch-of-new-asset-class/ ䷉ #unlimitedhangoutOct 13 16:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unlimitedhangout.com | Wall Street’s Takeover of Nature Advances with Launch of New Asset ClassOct 13 16:40
schestowitzlol https://www.gsmarena.com/microsoft_and_amd_to_patch_the_performance_issues_on_ryzenpowered_windows_11_pcs-news-51403.phpOct 13 16:41
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schestowitzdaOct 13 16:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft and AMD to patch Ryzen bug on Windows 11 PCs next week - GSMArena.com newsOct 13 16:41
schestowitz-TRAFTER a releaseOct 13 16:41
techrights-news#uspto #fakepatents #patentTrolls -- #patent on "method and system for interaction between a processor and a power on reset circuit" https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/10/12/prior-art-found-on-heritage-ip-patentOct 13 16:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | Prior art found on Heritage IP patent — Unified PatentsOct 13 16:43
MinceR13 165055 < DaemonFC> And why would you do that? What's the benefit? You get their business ambitions in the way of your computing, like Ubuntu.Oct 13 16:45
MinceRwith debian (and every other systemd/Linux distro) you still get ibm's business ambitions in the way of your computingOct 13 16:45
techrights-news#europe does not have "IPR rules"; it has laws for patents, copyrights, etc. and they're not "rights; what we have here is lobbying that namedrops "SMEs" and shameless (massive) lies about #upc in the middle https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/news/article/the-key-to-innovation @zoobabOct 13 16:45
-altlink_22b/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: theparliamentmagazine.eu | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/news/article/the-key-to-innovationOct 13 16:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theparliamentmagazine.eu | Europe’s IPR rules need to be strengthened to ensure they meet current and future challenges, explains Marion WalsmannOct 13 16:45
techrights-newsWhat we basically have here is a #German #EPP MEP frontally attacking small businesses by lying about them while claiming to speak for them. #germany #de #corruptionOct 13 16:48
schestowitz-TRactivelow: ^^Oct 13 16:48
techrights-news#Softwarepatents #propaganda and other nefarious agenda from #Salesforce disguised as 'journalism' from the voice of #patenttrolls , Patrick Wingrove https://www.managingip.com/article/b1tyqlp2nqkshs/corner-office-podcast-managing-salesforce39s-diverse-ip-needs #swpatsOct 13 16:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Corner office podcast: Managing Salesforce's diverse IP needs | Managing Intellectual PropertyOct 13 16:50
activelowschestowitz-TR: thanks. bookmarked, i'll read it later. need some sleep.Oct 13 16:52
schestowitz-TRkkOct 13 16:52
activelowseems full of nonsense. german industry and science outsourced most of theirs elsewhere.Oct 13 16:53
schestowitz-TRyes, total liesOct 13 16:53
schestowitz-TRfor big pharma Oct 13 16:53
schestowitz-TRand lawyersOct 13 16:53
activelowthe article doesn't mention pharmacyOct 13 16:54
schestowitz-TRthe "owners" of the countruOct 13 16:54
schestowitz-TRactivelow: of course notOct 13 16:54
schestowitz-TRit lies about SMEsOct 13 16:54
schestowitz-TRto promote an SME killerOct 13 16:54
MinceRhttps://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/two-weeksOct 13 16:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Two weeksOct 13 16:56
techrights-news#europe does not have “IPR rules”; it has laws for patents, copyrights, etc. and they’re not "rights; what we have here is lobbying that namedrops “SMEs” and shameless (massive) lies about #upc in the middle https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/news/article/the-key-to-innovation @zoobabOct 13 16:58
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techrights-newsAnd in #zdnet SJVN is again posting #linuxfoundation ads. This is the reason you should #boycottzdnet ... it's tons of paid-for spam, which many people wrongly interpret as news. http://techrights.org/wiki/ZDNetOct 13 17:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - TechrightsOct 13 17:01
techrights-newsA lot of my RSS feeds have become paid-for 'RSS' spam streams because sites are selling out and syndicators treat these line "news". The #www very rapidly become a spam farm. Time to move to #geminiSpace ... where possible.Oct 13 17:03
techrights-news#LinuxFoundation and Other ’Diploma Mills’ Say There’s Demand for Their Products in Their New 'Research' (Marketing) • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/09/23/lf-diploma-mill-and-narrative-control-by-fake-research/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/09/23/lf-diploma-mill-and-narrative-control-by-fake-research/Oct 13 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation and Other ‘Diploma Mills’ Say There’s Demand for Their Products in Their New ‘Research’ (Marketing) | TechrightsOct 13 17:03
techrights-news#sjvn at #zdnet = marketer, not journalist ("...offers low introductory price"). Will he sell lemonade at "low introductory price" when ZDNet folds?Oct 13 17:05
techrights-news#zdnet is a lot worse than just spam http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/sjvn-senior-moment/Oct 13 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | One Year Later Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols’ Libel Against Richard Stallman Remains Online and Uncorrected at ZDNet | TechrightsOct 13 17:06
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techrights-news#sjvn basically REWROTE this bloody PRESS RELEASE for #zdnet because the anti-Linux Foundation pays ZDNet to do this. It is a DEEPLY COMPROMISED site. It defames people, lies for Microsoft, trolls the community for #ibm https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/devops-bootcamp-to-lower-barrier-to-entry-for-technology-roles-301398428.htmlOct 13 17:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | DevOps Bootcamp to Lower Barrier to Entry for Technology RolesOct 13 17:10
techrights-newsIf only this was about operating systems and removing back doors... https://www.stanforddaily.com/2021/10/13/undergraduate-senate/Oct 13 17:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stanforddaily.com | Undergraduate Senate unanimously passes Ubuntu Bill, introducing guidelines for conflict management between student groups | The Stanford DailyOct 13 17:11
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156742 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 17:15
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techrights-newsWhat is the #GNULinux Operating System? • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156743 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | What is the Linux Operating System? | Tux MachinesOct 13 17:16
techrights-news#KDE ’s 25th Anniversary • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156744 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 17:16
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techrights-newsSPAMnil said SJVN was his "mentor", but I'm not sure if SJVN became a SPAMnil or vice versa. Either way, #linuxfoundation #ibm and #microsoft corrupt people, turning them (using money) into worthless marketersOct 13 17:20
techrights-news#redhat 1990s: engineering. #ibm Red Hat: spam and #marketing https://opensource.com/article/21/10/open-source-product-marketOct 13 17:22
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techrights-newsLOL. #redhat on "planned messaging" and "product marketing". #freesw is "product" and get this.... "planned messaging" .... "planned messaging" .... "planned messaging" ... think what that means. Bernays would be proud. #ibmOct 13 17:23
techrights-news#redhat : we built #rhel and #fedora ... #ibm : we destroyed/scuttled #fedora community and killed our own #centos http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/we-build-fedora-and-then-ibm-blacklists-us/Oct 13 17:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Imperialistic Blacklist Machines: Racist IBM and Red Hat — Just Like Donald Trump — Have Turned Fedora Into an Utterly Racist Project That Blacklists, Shuns and Permanently Bans People Based on Their Nationality Alone | TechrightsOct 13 17:24
techrights-news5 #markdown editors I recommend trying • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156745 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 13 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 markdown editors I recommend trying | Tux MachinesOct 13 17:25
techrights-news#IBM Attacking Communities/Volunteers (yes, it is a clear pattern) http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Attacking_Communities.2FVolunteers #redhatOct 13 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM - TechrightsOct 13 17:26
techrights-newsThe Internet trolls who shield the corporate #monopolies don't want to argue over technical and factual matters. They, along with #microsoft managers (I'm omitting links here), try to turn everything into politics. And later they have the audacity to come up with a "no politics" CoC. The hypocrisy is just astounding. It's all about #censorship and gaslighting. Monopolising all aspects of control.Oct 13 17:28
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techrights-newsI have a colleague who used to say "Google is your friend" (not as a joke). This shows how pervasive corporate propaganda can become.Oct 13 17:29
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DaemonFCschestowitz, https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/13/no-jwz-discord-is-not-irc-with-pictures/Oct 13 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | No, JWZ, Discord is not “IRC with pictures”. – BaronHK's RantsOct 13 17:32
schestowitz-TRwot?Oct 13 17:32
schestowitz-TRdid he say/insinuate that?Oct 13 17:32
schestowitz-TRirc has picturesOct 13 17:32
schestowitz-TRyou click on their addressOct 13 17:33
schestowitz-TRso you're not force to get junkOct 13 17:33
schestowitz-TRsome irc clients can preoad temOct 13 17:33
schestowitz-TRlike in geminiOct 13 17:33
schestowitz-TRnot that it's a desirable featureOct 13 17:33
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, Let me tweak this.Oct 13 17:34
schestowitz-TRokOct 13 17:36
schestowitz-TRI start work nowOct 13 17:36
schestowitz-TRuntil 1amOct 13 17:36
schestowitz-TRtoday was super-busyOct 13 17:36
schestowitz-TRafternoon my rss feeds were full of paid-for spamOct 13 17:36
schestowitz-TRhad to delete some feedsOct 13 17:36
schestowitz-TRit's getting worseOct 13 17:36
schestowitz-TRmany sellouts out thereOct 13 17:36
DaemonFC"IRC can do all of the important things you need it to do, and it hasn’t gotten much fatter than it was in the 1990s, despite having a new version on the way.Oct 13 17:41
DaemonFCHow many things on your computer can you say that about? Remember how slow Windows 98 was on the internet, on dial up? Remember progress bars taking forever, and pulling down menus being painfully slow?Oct 13 17:41
DaemonFCWhy is it, today, that your laptop is thousands of times faster than your desktop PC was then, and yet it feels like we’ve made no progress at all?Oct 13 17:41
DaemonFCWindows has gotten morbidly obese to the point even a new computer feels slow right out of the box, which is alarming, and something they use to drive hardware sales, even though they’re like a shittier Apple now. Your PC is three years old! Throw it away! Windows 11!Oct 13 17:41
DaemonFCThey throw parties for themselves. They pull a string and OMG MSFT! Joey, Michael Larabel, and SJVN to dance for them. It’s sad.Oct 13 17:41
DaemonFCBut a few things certainly don’t need to get much fatter and more horrible as time goes on because they’re controlled by a community process (like some GNU/Linux operating systems), and IRC is definitely one of those things. Leave IRC alone! 😉"Oct 13 17:41
MinceRdid you expect a crApple cultist to understand what IRC is?Oct 13 17:42
MinceRshitcord is shiny, therefore they worship shitcordOct 13 17:43
MinceRand the more abusive it is the more they love itOct 13 17:43
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DaemonFChttps://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/13/more-gnome-software-fail-useless-software-reviews/Oct 13 17:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | More GNOME Software FAIL. Useless software reviews. – BaronHK's RantsOct 13 17:57
DaemonFCMinceR, ^Oct 13 17:57
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DaemonFChttps://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/13/end-of-life-google-chrome-devices-should-be-repurposed-with-gnu-linux/Oct 13 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | End of Life Google Chrome devices should be repurposed with GNU/Linux. – BaronHK's RantsOct 13 18:24
DaemonFC"Save your money. Stick it in a 401(k). In 30 years when the in-laws are still drowning in debt from trying to keep up with the other folks at church, you can just laugh at them."Oct 13 18:25
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DaemonFCMinceR, "I wonder if someone implemented the slider backwards and QA didn't notice." -JWZOct 13 18:56
MinceRis the software useless or the review? :>Oct 13 18:56
DaemonFC"Why not? That's how Apple's "Natural" Scrolling works." -MeOct 13 18:56
DaemonFCMinceR, They held a mock funeral for OS 9 complete with a casket. As a warning that they had sacked anyone with GUI-building experience and hired on a bunch of lunatics who implemented UNIX incorrectly.Oct 13 19:02
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/13/macos-11-6-makes-the-theme-worse-then-ever-free-software-guis-are-whatever-you-want-them-to-be/Oct 13 19:15
DaemonFCMinceR, ^Oct 13 19:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | macOS 11.6 makes the theme worse then ever. Free Software GUIs are whatever you want them to be. – BaronHK's RantsOct 13 19:15
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AdmFubarhttps://thenextweb.com/news/how-i-hacked-high-school-rick-astley-rickrolling-syndicationOct 13 19:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com | How I hacked ALL displays in my high school district to play Rick AstleyOct 13 19:16
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MinceR:>Oct 13 19:26
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DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, I plan to lampoon Fast Company.Oct 13 19:39
DaemonFCVivaldi recently linked to an article praising Vivaldi where the guy writing it said he wanted to make it the default but it couldn't "install progressive web apps" so that he could use his GMail.Oct 13 19:39
DaemonFCThat's what pinned tabs are for, dumbass. Also, IMAP.Oct 13 19:40
DaemonFCVivaldi does support IMAP.Oct 13 19:40
DaemonFCAs soon as Opera got sold to the Chinese, they started over with Chromium and never bothered to put any features that made Opera, Opera, back in it.Oct 13 19:40
DaemonFCIt was extremely disappointing where that went.Oct 13 19:41
DaemonFCOnce your browser hasn't had any "feature" updates in a few years, there will be severe rendering problems with websites, then in another year or two, many HTTPS sites won't even load at all anymore.Oct 13 19:42
DaemonFCSo for browsers in particular, once they're abandoned, you can't really use them for long.Oct 13 19:43
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AdmFubarI really hope the otter project makes progress.. they are copying opera 12.x ui...Oct 13 20:06
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AdmFubarhttps://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/11/world/australia/facebook-post-missing-apostrophe-defamation.html?mc_cid=8e853febfe&mc_eid=d63e057ad6Oct 13 20:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Missing Apostrophe in Facebook Post May Cost a Man in Defamation Case - The New York TimesOct 13 20:10
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AdmFubarhttps://hackaday.com/2021/10/12/ibm-cheese-cutter-restoration/Oct 13 20:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IBM Cheese Cutter Restoration | HackadayOct 13 20:27
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mib_v43oqqIs this a real chat room?Oct 13 20:34
mib_v43oqqTrying to get in touch with @schestowitz Oct 13 20:35
schestowitz-TRhiOct 13 20:35
mib_v43oqqhi, I sent you an email earlier. it's only been a few hours, but I saw this and thought I'd give you a heads upOct 13 20:36
schestowitz-TRI check mail once a day usuallyOct 13 20:36
mib_v43oqqTotally reasonable Oct 13 20:37
mib_v43oqqit's in regards to Nat Friedman and his personal lifeOct 13 20:37
schestowitz-TRwhat's it about? I check if there's an urgent thingOct 13 20:37
schestowitz-TRahOct 13 20:37
schestowitz-TRFriedmanOct 13 20:37
mib_v43oqqfrom personal experience he's a misogynist Oct 13 20:37
schestowitz-TRMiguel reared his ugly head several times this weekOct 13 20:37
schestowitz-TRlooks like itOct 13 20:37
schestowitz-TRbased on his albumOct 13 20:37
schestowitz-TRflickr iircOct 13 20:37
mib_v43oqqyou'll have to point that out to meOct 13 20:38
mib_v43oqqMiguel and I have been in touchOct 13 20:38
schestowitz-TRohOct 13 20:38
schestowitz-TRwell, this week Miguel attacks me Oct 13 20:38
schestowitz-TRin TwitterOct 13 20:38
schestowitz-TRsuggesting "mental" thingsOct 13 20:38
schestowitz-TRbecause ages ago we exposed who he wasOct 13 20:39
schestowitz-TRhe and Nat worked for Microsoft for 25 yearsOct 13 20:39
mib_v43oqqthe email is about Alex Graveley Oct 13 20:39
schestowitz-TRNat blocked me proavtive in TwitterOct 13 20:39
schestowitz-TRafraid that I might see what he postsOct 13 20:39
mib_v43oqqI'm also blockedOct 13 20:39
schestowitz-TRhe blocks many peopleOct 13 20:39
schestowitz-TRI never spoke to NatOct 13 20:39
schestowitz-TRhe just blocked meOct 13 20:39
schestowitz-TRmaybe didn't want to see my tweetsOct 13 20:40
schestowitz-TRbut he could muteOct 13 20:40
mib_v43oqqNat hired a domestic abuser to run Copilot and CodespacesOct 13 20:40
schestowitz-TRknowingly?Oct 13 20:40
mib_v43oqqknowinglyOct 13 20:40
mib_v43oqqhe's his best friend and has a widespread reputation for abusing women, sometimes men at workOct 13 20:41
mib_v43oqqAlex Graveley from HackpadOct 13 20:41
schestowitz-TRthere was a github scandal to that effectOct 13 20:41
schestowitz-TRa co-founderOct 13 20:41
schestowitz-TRbut nothing to do with MicrosoftOct 13 20:42
mib_v43oqqworked at the original Xamarin Oct 13 20:42
mib_v43oqqwell, they're friendsOct 13 20:42
mib_v43oqqthat's part of how Nat got the jobOct 13 20:42
schestowitz-TRit's usually about connectionsOct 13 20:43
mib_v43oqqwell, it seemed the point of your article that I came across was the concentration of power through strangling open source Oct 13 20:45
schestowitz-TRcopilot is particularly nastyOct 13 20:45
schestowitz-TRfor several reasonsOct 13 20:45
mib_v43oqqmy questions is should we putting this power in the hands of someone is historically abusive to womenOct 13 20:45
schestowitz-TRbut waitOct 13 20:46
schestowitz-TRwe could go into questions like,Oct 13 20:46
schestowitz-TRhow many chauvinist are running Microsoft?Oct 13 20:46
schestowitz-TRthe answer is, not fewOct 13 20:46
schestowitz-TRinc. Gates himselfOct 13 20:46
mib_v43oqqBill... pedophileOct 13 20:46
schestowitz-TRa fish rots from the head downOct 13 20:47
schestowitz-TRdon't know if bill is a pedophilia himself, but he did cheat on the wife and loves being with EpsteinaOct 13 20:47
schestowitz-TR*EpsteinOct 13 20:47
DaemonFChttps://downloads.vivaldi.com/lists/vivaldi/partners-current.txtOct 13 20:47
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schestowitz-TRalso employed a pedophile as his personal engineerOct 13 20:47
DaemonFCVivaldi unblocks their search partner ads by default, but so does Falkon.Oct 13 20:47
mib_v43oqqDoes the art reflect the artist?Oct 13 20:48
schestowitz-TRwell, more smoking guns neededOct 13 20:49
schestowitz-TRthere might even be investigation, maybe sealed indictmentOct 13 20:49
mib_v43oqqhttps://twitter.com/BetsyDupuis/status/1333466795332734978?s=20Oct 13 20:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BetsyDupuis: I dated @hackpad (acquired by @dropbox 2015) co-founder Alex Graveley @orph in 2019. Things started off well, but… https://t.co/jbPauVAufrOct 13 20:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BetsyDupuis: I dated @hackpad (acquired by @dropbox 2015) co-founder Alex Graveley @orph in 2019. Things started off well, but… https://t.co/jbPauVAufrOct 13 20:49
psydruidwhat is the real deal with Falkon?Oct 13 20:49
schestowitz-TRmany friends move away from himOct 13 20:49
schestowitz-TRsuggests they know something and proactively dissociateOct 13 20:50
mib_v43oqq"I don't want to get involved"Oct 13 20:51
mib_v43oqqIt's what I've heard many time in regards to the situation with GraveleyOct 13 20:51
schestowitz-TRpoor excuseOct 13 20:51
schestowitz-TRwhat did miguel say?Oct 13 20:51
schestowitz-TR"above my pay grade"?Oct 13 20:51
schestowitz-TRthat's what he told othersOct 13 20:51
schestowitz-TRwhen he was in novellOct 13 20:51
schestowitz-TRmilitary terminopoly Oct 13 20:52
mib_v43oqqNat and Alex were both assholes back in the day that drank too muchOct 13 20:52
mib_v43oqqhe said Nat "ruined his life"Oct 13 20:52
schestowitz-TRmiguel said that????Oct 13 20:52
mib_v43oqqyes lolOct 13 20:52
schestowitz-TRhahaOct 13 20:52
schestowitz-TRis he still with his brazilian wife?Oct 13 20:52
mib_v43oqqyeah, we talked about that because it came up that Graveley lived in BrazilOct 13 20:53
mib_v43oqqAlso mentioned a portuguese language film that I was disturbed by Alex's obsession withOct 13 20:54
mib_v43oqqTalk to Her - about a male nurse raping a woman in a coma, but it's a romanceOct 13 20:55
schestowitz-TRgoshOct 13 20:55
schestowitz-TRseems like we have a whols seriesOct 13 20:55
schestowitz-TRnot an articleOct 13 20:55
schestowitz-TRmib_v43oqq: Jimmy Savile dd thatOct 13 20:56
schestowitz-TRbut to kidsOct 13 20:56
schestowitz-TRin a hospitalOct 13 20:56
mib_v43oqqIt's relevant b/c Alex kept asking me to get blackout drunk to fulfill a kinkOct 13 20:57
schestowitz-TRwowOct 13 20:58
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mib_v43oqqAlex is a really bad dude. Nat seems to have been good at maintaining a wholesome persona publicly Oct 13 20:59
mib_v43oqqI'm trying to make people aware, but because i never worked at Github, journalists think it's a non-issueOct 13 21:00
schestowitz-TRthere are journalists still?Oct 13 21:00
mib_v43oqqgood question lolOct 13 21:00
schestowitz-TRmany are cynical about what the occupation becameOct 13 21:01
schestowitz-TReven the other day my dad told meOct 13 21:01
mib_v43oqqthey seem to be working on all the workers rightsOct 13 21:01
schestowitz-TRa friend of his, retired journalist, was enraged about journalism becoming just corporate PR 15 years agoOct 13 21:01
mib_v43oqqthat's true. all the noise this week could just be giants firing shots at each otherOct 13 21:02
schestowitz-TRwhich publishers did you try?Oct 13 21:04
schestowitz-TRRemember Microsoft pays many for "advertising"Oct 13 21:04
mib_v43oqqvox, bloomberg, buzzfeedOct 13 21:05
schestowitz-TRthe first two are in Microsoft's pocketOct 13 21:06
mib_v43oqqpart of the issue is graveley's disinformation campaign against me has taken rootOct 13 21:06
schestowitz-TRnot sure about the thirdOct 13 21:06
mib_v43oqqvox did some reporting on the Github Nazi incidentOct 13 21:07
schestowitz-TRthey usually believe the rich personOct 13 21:07
schestowitz-TRwe examine the evidenceOct 13 21:07
schestowitz-TRthey also fer lawsuits (media)Oct 13 21:07
mib_v43oqqI guess Nat true the female HR head under the bus and made himself the heroOct 13 21:07
schestowitz-TRmib_v43oqq: but B-I broke the storyOct 13 21:07
schestowitz-TRon the nazi firing incidentOct 13 21:07
mib_v43oqqyeah, I think you're right. having a hard time keeping it straightOct 13 21:08
schestowitz-TRwe work with some Microsoft whistleblowersOct 13 21:08
mib_v43oqqNYT, but after bad art friend, they don't look goodOct 13 21:08
schestowitz-TRthey trust usOct 13 21:08
schestowitz-TRbecause we don't self-censorOct 13 21:08
schestowitz-TRNYTimes is a mixed bagOct 13 21:08
schestowitz-TRthey're harder to bribeOct 13 21:09
schestowitz-TRyou can only keep them silent some of the time, not all the timeOct 13 21:09
schestowitz-TRGates bribed The Verge to fire a reporter who worked with usOct 13 21:09
schestowitz-TRon a stor exposing Gates Foundation abuses like 8 years agoOct 13 21:09
mib_v43oqqjesusOct 13 21:09
schestowitz-TRhe eventually went too farOct 13 21:09
schestowitz-TRnow a lot more people know the RealBillOct 13 21:10
schestowitz-TRReal DealOct 13 21:10
schestowitz-TRBill also bribed by bossOct 13 21:10
schestowitz-TRit didn't workOct 13 21:10
mib_v43oqqwell, sounds like I finally have some answersOct 13 21:10
schestowitz-TRit happened just after I had started my series about the arrest at his homeOct 13 21:10
schestowitz-TRread up on what WeinsteinOct 13 21:10
schestowitz-TRdid to mediaOct 13 21:10
schestowitz-TRand how he suppressed the story for many yearsOct 13 21:11
schestowitz-TRsimilar tacticsOct 13 21:11
schestowitz-TRwoman-shamingOct 13 21:11
mib_v43oqqI used to work in disinfo research Oct 13 21:11
schestowitz-TRspying on themOct 13 21:11
schestowitz-TRspiking stories etc.Oct 13 21:11
schestowitz-TRthey had to group in large numbers to break the media silenceOct 13 21:11
mib_v43oqqI'm aware of a lot of the mechanicsOct 13 21:11
schestowitz-TRthere are agencies for thisOct 13 21:11
schestowitz-TR'consultant'Oct 13 21:11
schestowitz-TR'crisis management'Oct 13 21:11
mib_v43oqqyeah... there's lots of women that don't want to talk about what Alex did to themOct 13 21:12
schestowitz-TRWeinstein hired spiesOct 13 21:12
mib_v43oqqTallPoppyOct 13 21:12
schestowitz-TRnow more people know about Gamma Group, NSO Group ste.Oct 13 21:12
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mib_v43oqqTallPoppy is trying to turn that into a serviceOct 13 21:12
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schestowitz-TRdo you have written correspondence with those publishers?Oct 13 21:13
schestowitz-TRwe should do a part or two about their role in covering up for the powerful interestsOct 13 21:13
mib_v43oqqyesOct 13 21:13
schestowitz-TRgoodOct 13 21:13
schestowitz-TRChelsea Manning tried WashPo (now Bezos) and NYTimesOct 13 21:13
schestowitz-TRthey were not interested in war crimesOct 13 21:14
schestowitz-TRso Chelsea (Brad back then) went to WikileaksOct 13 21:14
mib_v43oqqI don't think Dropbox has dirty hands. They just wanted his patents and fired him for abuseOct 13 21:14
schestowitz-TRand now people know this and remember thisOct 13 21:14
schestowitz-TRDropbox had or still has Condy Rice on the BoardOct 13 21:14
schestowitz-TRit's not a lovey-dovey companyOct 13 21:14
schestowitz-TRthey also work for the NSA as informantOct 13 21:14
schestowitz-TRwith direct data access to NSAOct 13 21:15
schestowitz-TRbased on PRISM leaks (2013)Oct 13 21:15
mib_v43oqqsomething something elasticsearchOct 13 21:15
mib_v43oqqdo you have some more secure form of communicationOct 13 21:15
schestowitz-TRyesOct 13 21:15
schestowitz-TRPGP is oneOct 13 21:15
schestowitz-TRor we can use mumbleOct 13 21:16
mib_v43oqqbear in mind my technical skills are JS, so something like signal would be helpfulOct 13 21:16
schestowitz-TRor other encrypted things, end-to-endOct 13 21:16
schestowitz-TRSignal is not so secureOct 13 21:16
mib_v43oqqreally? damnOct 13 21:16
schestowitz-TRand it requires "mobile" "phone", which I don't haveOct 13 21:16
schestowitz-TRhold on to comms you had with publishers that are bigOct 13 21:17
schestowitz-TRthey need to be named for "believing powerful men"Oct 13 21:17
schestowitz-TRI would have recommended protonmail, butOct 13 21:17
schestowitz-TRthey recently turned in a climate activists to French authoritiesOct 13 21:18
mib_v43oqqlets see if I can do mumbleOct 13 21:18
mib_v43oqqI have to google my way through PGPOct 13 21:18
schestowitz-TRyou might be spied on by Private InvestigatorsOct 13 21:18
schestowitz-TRor the people you namedOct 13 21:18
schestowitz-TRif you say something not encrypted, the assumption should be, "they may know"Oct 13 21:19
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mib_v43oqqI haven't said anything I haven't said on twitterOct 13 21:20
schestowitz-TRmib_v43oqq: side noteOct 13 21:20
schestowitz-TR(of elevance)Oct 13 21:20
schestowitz-TRreal encryption tools are hard to findOct 13 21:20
schestowitz-TRit's not an accidentOct 13 21:20
schestowitz-TRit's because those who create such tools get targeted a lotOct 13 21:20
mib_v43oqqapple won't let me install mumbleOct 13 21:20
mib_v43oqqis it on homebrew?Oct 13 21:20
schestowitz-TRaproposOct 13 21:21
schestowitztechrights.org/2020/08/14/control-but-no-accountability/Oct 13 21:21
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/08/14/control-but-no-accountability/Oct 13 21:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | High-Level Criminals Associate Privacy With Crime Because They Want Privacy Only for Themselves (Control But No Accountability) | TechrightsOct 13 21:21
schestowitz-TRmumble might work on OS XOct 13 21:21
schestowitz-TRdon't know if they do "mobile"Oct 13 21:21
schestowitz-TRit's also a voice thingOct 13 21:21
schestowitz-TRvoice can be faster to work with in some contextsOct 13 21:22
schestowitz-TRjust make sure you keep all notesOct 13 21:22
schestowitz-TRI will do tooOct 13 21:22
schestowitz-TRI later meticulously go through everything, for x2 or x3 longer than they take to writeOct 13 21:22
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mib_v43oqqok, I think it's installedOct 13 21:24
mib_v43oqqfeel like I'm using 1999 internet right now lolOct 13 21:24
schestowitz-TRnewer is not always betterOct 13 21:24
schestowitz-TRtell me if it runs OKOct 13 21:25
schestowitz-TRI can send you address of locally-hosted server, with e2e encryptionOct 13 21:25
mib_v43oqqsure lets do thatOct 13 21:25
mib_v43oqqI have it installed.Oct 13 21:27
mib_v43oqqthere's like a globe with a server listOct 13 21:27
mib_v43oqqI see "add new"Oct 13 21:27
schestowitz-TRyesOct 13 21:28
schestowitz-TRI sent you thatOct 13 21:28
schestowitz-TRit's not publicly advertiseOct 13 21:28
schestowitz-TRfor obvious reasonsOct 13 21:28
schestowitz-TR*advertisedOct 13 21:28
mib_v43oqqemail?Oct 13 21:28
schestowitz-TRparsdon?Oct 13 21:29
schestowitz-TRpardon?Oct 13 21:29
schestowitz-TRoh, emailOct 13 21:29
schestowitz-TRI share my email, but email is not secureOct 13 21:29
schestowitz-TRit's one of the least secure things in the planetOct 13 21:29
schestowitz-TRall mail relays see the contentsOct 13 21:29
schestowitz-TRand some sell the data for financial gainOct 13 21:29
mib_v43oqqyeah... Jeff Lindsay explained that to me onceOct 13 21:31
schestowitz-TRha, youi know himOct 13 21:33
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DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, I'm writing again.Oct 13 22:15
DaemonFCCriticizing GNOME and Debian for bundling censorship software.Oct 13 22:15
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: goodOct 13 22:18
schestowitz-TRI mean, the writingOct 13 22:18
schestowitz-TRGNOME is the vision of IBM et alOct 13 22:18
schestowitz-TRnot the original hackers who made the "G" in GNOMEOct 13 22:18
DaemonFChttps://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/13/gnome-and-debian-infringe-human-rights-by-shipping-parental-control-software-internally-called-malcontent/Oct 13 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | GNOME (and Debian) infringe human rights by shipping Parental Control software (internally called “Malcontent”). – BaronHK's RantsOct 13 22:22
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, ^Oct 13 22:22
DaemonFCThoughts?Oct 13 22:22
DaemonFCThe funny thing was they couldn't stop you from booting into DOS to disable the parental control software back then.Oct 13 22:25
DaemonFCEven with Windows Me, you could make an emergency boot floppy, which contained DOS, and the BIOS was still hard coded to try to boot from A drive first.Oct 13 22:25
DaemonFCThat's why it briefly went "onk" and then proceeded to load the OS from the hard disk if nothing was in the floppy drive.Oct 13 22:26
DaemonFC9 posts today?Oct 13 22:27
DaemonFCI need to lay off the caffeine.Oct 13 22:27
schestowitz-TR:-)Oct 13 22:27
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DaemonFCI'm writing about Vivaldi now.Oct 13 22:34
DaemonFCIt's quite addictive, but so are cigarettes.Oct 13 22:35
DaemonFCI tell myself at least it isn't Chrome.Oct 13 22:35
DaemonFCI can't stand Chrome for lots of reasons.Oct 13 22:35
DaemonFCIt isn't a very good browser.Oct 13 22:35
DaemonFCIt's made for complete dumbasses by an advertising company.Oct 13 22:36
schestowitz-TRyes, exactlyOct 13 22:36
schestowitz-TRmore like spyTechOct 13 22:36
schestowitz-TR'Ad'techOct 13 22:36
schestowitz-TRwe mine mindsOct 13 22:36
schestowitz-TRthen manipulate themOct 13 22:36
schestowitz-TRnot the same as billboardsOct 13 22:36
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: can you proofread for us too?Oct 13 22:42
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, I'm doing backstory.Oct 13 22:43
schestowitz-TRokOct 13 22:43
schestowitz-TRwe are working on a Microsot storyOct 13 22:43
schestowitz-TRsome clues in the scrollback in IRCOct 13 22:43
DaemonFCOn how Apple commandeered Webkit, and they and Google polluted and bloated KHTML to 200 times its original size, and now that's what you need to run the Web today.Oct 13 22:43
DaemonFCIt's a disaster driven by hostile entities.Oct 13 22:44
DaemonFC<schestowitz-TR> DaemonFC: can you proofread for us too?Oct 13 22:44
DaemonFCYeah.Oct 13 22:44
DaemonFCNo rush.Oct 13 22:44
schestowitz-TRit'll be a long seriesOct 13 22:45
schestowitz-TRnot the EPO oneOct 13 22:45
DaemonFCI don't trust von Tetzchner either.Oct 13 22:45
DaemonFCBut they've added back all of the Opera features I missed.Oct 13 22:45
DaemonFCExcept maybe the bittorrent client.Oct 13 22:45
DaemonFCI liked Opera Unite too.Oct 13 22:46
DaemonFCYou could run a server and a web site from your Opera browser at one point. It made it extremely easy.Oct 13 22:46
DaemonFCDo you reckon he's growing Vivaldi with the intent on another takeover.Oct 13 22:46
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: can you look now?Oct 13 22:50
DaemonFCYeahOct 13 22:50
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2021/10/13/general-bock-switzerland/Oct 13 22:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s Overseer/Overseen Collusion — Part XI: “General Bock” – Battistelli’s Swiss Apprentice? | TechrightsOct 13 22:51
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DaemonFC"The reaction in Switzerland was predominantly negative."Oct 13 22:55
DaemonFCLOLOct 13 22:56
DaemonFCCustoms Kommando!Oct 13 22:56
DaemonFC"noted that not even Putin’s special forces would put themselves on public display in such an ostentatious manner."Oct 13 22:57
DaemonFC:/Oct 13 22:57
psydruiddoes old Opera still work on the current web?Oct 13 22:57
DaemonFCKind of.Oct 13 22:57
schestowitz-TR"moderm" "web"Oct 13 22:57
schestowitz-TRprograms as 'pages'Oct 13 22:57
psydruidI don't know if it would be better and faster than NetsurfOct 13 22:57
DaemonFCYou need the last build that they kicked over the fence, for Windows only. Even though they could have trivially compiled it for others.Oct 13 22:57
XRevan86https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/10/13/belarus-makes-subscribing-to-extremist-telegram-channel-a-criminal-offenseOct 13 22:58
-altlink_22b/#techrights-📣 Cloudflare: meduza.io | 🙆 Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/10/13/belarus-makes-subscribing-to-extremist-telegram-channel-a-criminal-offenseOct 13 22:58
DaemonFCAll they did was bump it to be "modern enough" to connect to secure websites and fix a few CVEs.Oct 13 22:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLEOct 13 22:58
psydruidbut it was much faster than other browsers in the early 2000sOct 13 22:58
DaemonFCSo they could have compiled it, but they specifically said they didn't want Linux and Mac versions because it was intended for people stuck on Windows XP.Oct 13 22:58
DaemonFCThey wanted to compel everyone else to use the Chromium shit.Oct 13 22:59
DaemonFCIt may work in Wine.Oct 13 22:59
DaemonFC"These doubts arose because Switzerland is a decentralized federation with a highly devolved system of government in which the cantons are sovereign to the extent that their sovereignty is not limited by federal law. The competence of the federal government is restricted to a limited number of areas."Oct 13 23:00
DaemonFCSo it would be more correct to say it is a confederate system.Oct 13 23:01
DaemonFC"long-established constitutional traditions"Oct 13 23:02
DaemonFCIt's just a goddamned piece of paper. -Bush (W), allegedlyOct 13 23:02
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DaemonFC"his time deputy head"Oct 13 23:20
DaemonFCas deputy headOct 13 23:20
schestowitz-TRahwOct 13 23:20
schestowitz-TRwell spooted!Oct 13 23:20
schestowitz-TRspotted evenOct 13 23:20
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, I can say that I think a lot of the rot going on in the US is the states and the federal government playing tug of war.Oct 13 23:23
DaemonFCWith no clear boundaries over who gets to do what.Oct 13 23:23
schestowitz-TRit's "all up in the air"Oct 13 23:23
schestowitz-TRLook at the Trump 4-year termOct 13 23:23
schestowitz-TRviolation after violation Oct 13 23:23
schestowitz-TRnobody punishedOct 13 23:23
DaemonFCAnd about half the population expecting some central government 1,000-2,000 miles away to fix all of their problems, top down.Oct 13 23:23
schestowitz-TRexcept low-level peopleOct 13 23:23
DaemonFCWhen almost nobody in Congress has ever had to do a real job before.Oct 13 23:24
DaemonFCThey just sit around all day and tell you what you'll endure this year so a few billionaires can grow fatter.Oct 13 23:24
DaemonFCBetter if it didn't exist at all, almost.Oct 13 23:24
DaemonFCShould be curtailed by an Article V Convention.Oct 13 23:25
DaemonFCIt's not even clear if we should have had one already.Oct 13 23:25
DaemonFCThe Constitution doesn't specify if all of the requests have to be about the same topic or if states can withdraw them.Oct 13 23:25
DaemonFCSince there are more red states than blue states, the blue states decided that the only way they were going to keep controlling and manipulating everyone would be to yank their requests, most of which dated back decades or a century or two.Oct 13 23:26
DaemonFC<schestowitz-TR> violation after violation Oct 13 23:27
DaemonFC<schestowitz-TR> nobody punishedOct 13 23:27
DaemonFCWe're just lucky that it ended when it did.Oct 13 23:27
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DaemonFCWhen he asked the Pentagon to overthrow the election and they said, no get your shit out by noon or we'll assist you.Oct 13 23:27
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psydruidhttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-28/boeing-s-737-max-software-outsourced-to-9-an-hour-engineersOct 13 23:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?Oct 13 23:28
DaemonFCIt's pretty bad when the president is leaning on the DoJ to "just say the election is corrupt and let me 'take care of' the rest. And by take care of, that means pretext to using the military to stay whether he's legally allowed or not.Oct 13 23:28
psydruidI never knew that the work was outsourced to IndiaOct 13 23:29
psydruidand not to the best coders there apparentlyOct 13 23:29
DaemonFCAnd you're biting your nails wondering if we're even going to have the president we voted for or not because this one won't leave unless other people refuse to go along with it. The people who get trillion dollar budgetsevery year, tanks, bombs, planes, guns, and nukes.Oct 13 23:29
DaemonFCMeanwhile, the government "CARES" about you, because of the Coronavirus.Oct 13 23:30
DaemonFCIt "CARES". It's never cared before. It still lets people go hungry, homeless, and die of AIDS. What's so different about a super cold?Oct 13 23:30
DaemonFCMost of the rich folks I know went to their bug out resort third home and then threw unmasked dinner parties with little chips and dips that cost more than a year's income for many of us, and then gave each other the virus anyway, in Florida.Oct 13 23:36
schestowitz-TRpsydruid: they have good codersOct 13 23:39
schestowitz-TRbut they leave indiaOct 13 23:39
schestowitz-TRand code for better salariesOct 13 23:39
schestowitz-TRask MinceR abouut HungaryOct 13 23:40
schestowitz-TRsame problemOct 13 23:40
psydruidschestowitz-TR, I know, I worked with someOct 13 23:40
schestowitz-TRwith so much choice, companies 'import' only the bestOct 13 23:40
MinceRsuits generally don't care about good codersOct 13 23:42
MinceRthey care about having something hacked together cheaply and having someone else take responsibility for it being crapOct 13 23:42
schestowitz-TR+!Oct 13 23:42

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