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| matey | no if anything it probably encouraged them | Apr 14 00:03 |
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| bnchs__ | yeah it did encourage them | Apr 14 00:07 |
| bnchs__ | i mean even before the stream began, there was a 4chan thread about it | Apr 14 00:08 |
| matey | any highlights? | Apr 14 00:09 |
| matey | or just stuff thats easy to imagine/guess | Apr 14 00:09 |
| bnchs__ | " >CC BY-ND | Apr 14 00:10 |
| bnchs__ | What did he mean by this? | Apr 14 00:10 |
| bnchs__ | >USE GPL but OH NO you cant make derivative versions of my voice recordings fuck you" | Apr 14 00:10 |
| matey | yeah | Apr 14 00:11 |
| MinceR | https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/afternoon-meme-dump-24-memes-73.jpg | Apr 14 00:11 |
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| matey | well that is nearly the dumbest thing about the fsf | Apr 14 00:11 |
| matey | though i have to say, not standing to up systemd and letting github take over the free software world | Apr 14 00:12 |
| bnchs__ | "I wasn't even being political and still randomly got banned, probably because my name had "fren" in it. Glad to see that IRC jannies haven't changed. " | Apr 14 00:12 |
| matey | might put at third, even if its the reason i stopped giving them money | Apr 14 00:12 |
| matey | lol "fren"? | Apr 14 00:13 |
| bnchs__ | "QUESTION: should Free Software be licensed as Public Domain instead of GPL so that Black People are not stigmatized with stealing it? " | Apr 14 00:13 |
| bnchs__ | this was in the chat history aswell | Apr 14 00:13 |
| matey | classy | Apr 14 00:13 |
| matey | i think ive heard that one before | Apr 14 00:14 |
| bnchs__ | yes, someone posted it in the 4chan thread | Apr 14 00:14 |
| matey | do you get "fren" reference? its not one i know | Apr 14 00:14 |
| bnchs__ | before posting it in #fsf | Apr 14 00:14 |
| bnchs__ | matey: "fren" is like a corruption of "friend" | Apr 14 00:15 |
| matey | sure but | Apr 14 00:15 |
| matey | ..? | Apr 14 00:15 |
| matey | its part of some terrible meme? | Apr 14 00:15 |
| bnchs__ | no | Apr 14 00:15 |
| matey | okay | Apr 14 00:15 |
| matey | lieberans are weird | Apr 14 00:16 |
| matey | actually lieber still means free | Apr 14 00:16 |
| matey | so lie-berans | Apr 14 00:16 |
| matey | or life, my german is sheisse | Apr 14 00:16 |
| MinceR | lieberman is an enemy of freedom, though | Apr 14 00:16 |
| matey | mincer: very true | Apr 14 00:16 |
| matey | him and his kill switch | Apr 14 00:17 |
| bnchs__ | "The minetest shilling was nice. Our kids should be playing open source autism simulators. " | Apr 14 00:17 |
| matey | i dont know if i can get offended by 4chan talking shit about autism | Apr 14 00:18 |
| matey | theyre basically making fun of themselves at that point | Apr 14 00:18 |
| MinceR | and his clueless attacks on videogames | Apr 14 00:18 |
| matey | he backpedals on this talk about videogames when someone actually asks him about videogames | Apr 14 00:18 |
| bnchs__ | " great job /g/ you fucked the irc with your nigger bullshit " | Apr 14 00:19 |
| matey | like its something you talk shit about by default but when pressed, you have to be diplomatic | Apr 14 00:19 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 14 00:19 |
| matey | too bad he cant shit about github instead! | Apr 14 00:20 |
| matey | piss of github users? NO NO NO | Apr 14 00:20 |
| matey | take a swipe at gamers? check | Apr 14 00:20 |
| MinceR | MICROS~1 is probably one of his donors | Apr 14 00:20 |
| matey | i kinda doubt it | Apr 14 00:20 |
| bnchs__ | "He used to be even more extreme. Now he's softened his opinions because he was threatened with getting his funding cut. | Apr 14 00:20 |
| bnchs__ | Also lurk moar. " | Apr 14 00:20 |
| matey | but i feel so cynical, i cant doubt it strongly | Apr 14 00:20 |
| matey | He used to be even more extreme. Now he's softened his opinions because he was threatened with getting his funding cut. <- right? | Apr 14 00:21 |
| matey | thats not the only reason | Apr 14 00:21 |
| matey | he was also attacked by a 3000-strong mob | Apr 14 00:21 |
| matey | for weeks/months/years | Apr 14 00:21 |
| bnchs__ | "Stallman talks are peak autism, but they are really fun to attend to. If you have never been to one I recommend going, it attracts weird people. " | Apr 14 00:21 |
| matey | but its cool, because now we can give them fucking awards | Apr 14 00:21 |
| matey | it attracts weird people. <- it used to | Apr 14 00:22 |
| bnchs__ | "Goddamn, I respect RMS so much. Are there even any other passionate free software advocates like him? Even many Linux users are mocking him that he's too "strict". I can't even think of the vacuum that will be here after he dies. " | Apr 14 00:23 |
| matey | its gonna be so many opportunists | Apr 14 00:23 |
| matey | even if someone okay gets in in his place | Apr 14 00:23 |
| matey | theyll be out in 6 months | Apr 14 00:24 |
| matey | maybe THEY will accept an invitation to something that still stands for freedom | Apr 14 00:24 |
| matey | because rms isnt going to | Apr 14 00:24 |
| matey | maybe he will live to be 90 though | Apr 14 00:25 |
| bnchs__ | ">muh librebooted old ass thinkpads >muh apple walled garden this jew is basically reciting /g/ threads " | Apr 14 00:25 |
| MinceR | why waste your attention on imageboards though | Apr 14 00:25 |
| bnchs__ | i went on /g/ only this day | Apr 14 00:26 |
| matey | heres a chance for leah to run circles around libreboot and show the idea works | Apr 14 00:26 |
| matey | lets see what happens | Apr 14 00:27 |
| bnchs__ | just to see if there was a thread | Apr 14 00:27 |
| bnchs__ | and trolls planning | Apr 14 00:27 |
| matey | because libreboot isnt making new machines libre | Apr 14 00:27 |
| matey | if osboot can free anything, thats a proof of concept | Apr 14 00:27 |
| matey | i mean in the sense of moving something from free-ish to libreboot-free | Apr 14 00:27 |
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| MinceR | (cat) (no audio) https://i.imgur.com/Z61q5tV.mp4 | Apr 14 00:41 |
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| matey | i think its safe to say now | Apr 14 01:02 |
| matey | nothing more is really going to come out of the fsf | Apr 14 01:02 |
| matey | "if we had more people" yeah, well, the fsf wants fewer people | Apr 14 01:03 |
| matey | no one outspoken | Apr 14 01:03 |
| matey | we arent going to get honesty out of lieplanet | Apr 14 01:03 |
| matey | we arent going to get strategy because you need (paying) members for that! | Apr 14 01:03 |
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| matey | but we will get (copyleft) free culture licenses violated because not being able to remix a speech is more important than the wishes for an artist for you to respect freedom | Apr 14 01:05 |
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| matey | so if you want libre planet to be libre, wait a few weeks and then do your own libreplanet | Apr 14 01:06 |
| matey | and if you want the fsf to fight for your freedom, do your own thing because the fsf... whatever | Apr 14 01:06 |
| matey | maybe if enough people do their own thing, eventually they will find a way to organise | Apr 14 01:07 |
| matey | which is probably better than waiting another 7 years for the fsf to | Apr 14 01:07 |
| matey | fortunately techrights isnt fsf or we would have to follow the safe coc too | Apr 14 01:08 |
| matey | /me watches roys version for shits and giggle | Apr 14 01:13 |
| matey | why is roy and everything around him white | Apr 14 01:14 |
| matey | i mean allow | Apr 14 01:15 |
| activelow | the rms talk isn't uploaded yet... | Apr 14 01:15 |
| matey | it is | Apr 14 01:16 |
| activelow | where? | Apr 14 01:16 |
| matey | well, roys copy | Apr 14 01:16 |
| matey | ill link | Apr 14 01:16 |
| matey | http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/rms-libreplanet-2022-and-irc/ http://techrights.org/videos/rms-libreplanet-2022.webm | Apr 14 01:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Video of Richard Stallmanβs Belated LibrePlanet 2022 Talk (With Commentary) | Techrights | Apr 14 01:16 | |
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| matey | page and video | Apr 14 01:16 |
| matey | ive already watched it but this one is loaded with swastikas and racial slurs :) | Apr 14 01:17 |
| bnchs__ | thanks 4chan | Apr 14 01:17 |
| bnchs__ | why is roy's webcam B&W | Apr 14 01:19 |
| matey | probably so it works in gemini | Apr 14 01:19 |
| matey | /me cant even guess | Apr 14 01:19 |
| matey | roy is VERY VERY VERY allow | Apr 14 01:20 |
| matey | at least the sound is good | Apr 14 01:20 |
| bnchs__ | lol the stream lag | Apr 14 01:20 |
| bnchs__ | in roy's video | Apr 14 01:20 |
| activelow | didn't watch videos for month | Apr 14 01:20 |
| MinceR | i don't think gemini cares about the details of a video stream | Apr 14 01:23 |
| MinceR | it's just a resource that you might be able to download, though you probably don't want to use the gemini protocol for that | Apr 14 01:23 |
| MinceR | iirc it can't even resume | Apr 14 01:23 |
| matey | i don't think gemini cares about the details of a video stream <- nah i was just joking about oldschool vs b&w | Apr 14 01:25 |
| matey | im actually a huge fan of gemini and id be happy if 90% of the web switched to it instead | Apr 14 01:26 |
| matey | maybe ore | Apr 14 01:26 |
| matey | more | Apr 14 01:26 |
| bnchs__ | i wish rms could talk again | Apr 14 01:29 |
| bnchs__ | it didn't even last 2 hours | Apr 14 01:30 |
| bnchs__ | just 1 hour and 30 mins | Apr 14 01:30 |
| bnchs__ | or something | Apr 14 01:30 |
| matey | so the talk was an hour | Apr 14 01:30 |
| matey | then q&a went on about as long | Apr 14 01:30 |
| bnchs__ | they probably had to pack fast, because the trolls were ramping | Apr 14 01:30 |
| matey | but the video roy posted is preable / waiting for the video to start | Apr 14 01:30 |
| matey | plus he stopped at a&a | Apr 14 01:31 |
| matey | i dont really have a problem with this, ive seen the whole thing and im watching it a 3rd time because im very bored | Apr 14 01:31 |
| matey | it was this or random youtube shit | Apr 14 01:32 |
| matey | ive been busy this week so i dont feel bad | Apr 14 01:32 |
| matey | mincer "come get cancelled with us" :) | Apr 14 01:32 |
| bnchs__ | also there were tons of references to chuck's feed and seed in #fsf | Apr 14 01:32 |
| bnchs__ | usernames and shit | Apr 14 01:32 |
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| bnchs__ | get it because sneed's feed and seed, formeraly chuck | Apr 14 01:33 |
| bnchs__ | chuck's fuck and suck | Apr 14 01:33 |
| matey | thats an old joke | Apr 14 01:33 |
| matey | i think pump up the volume had a guy named "charles u. farley" | Apr 14 01:33 |
| matey | "chuck you farley" | Apr 14 01:34 |
| matey | this is literally the first time ive seen rms live in any context | Apr 14 01:36 |
| matey | while hes actually streaming | Apr 14 01:36 |
| matey | and yes, i DID see the two seconds of video where it was actually video | Apr 14 01:36 |
| matey | roy was rdosed by rsync | Apr 14 01:37 |
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| activelow | https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.html | Apr 14 02:35 |
| activelow | --- "END OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS" --- | Apr 14 02:35 |
| activelow | end then next, a clause, which is _not_ contained in the license itself: "General Public License does not permit incorporating your program into proprietary programs" | Apr 14 02:36 |
| activelow | however, this restriction (to prevent linking non-free by whatever defintion) is _not_ mentioned within the GPL2 license terms itself. | Apr 14 02:37 |
| matey | end then next, a clause <- thats not a clause, its an explanation | Apr 14 02:37 |
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| activelow | it is an invalid claim against the license terms which does _not_ contain the limitation | Apr 14 02:38 |
| matey | however, this restriction (to prevent linking non-free by whatever defintion) is _not_ mentioned within the GPL2 license terms itself. <- im quite certain it is covered within the license | Apr 14 02:38 |
| activelow | it is an invalid claim against the license terms which do _not_ contain the limitation | Apr 14 02:38 |
| matey | no | Apr 14 02:38 |
| activelow | it is _not_ covered in the license _explicitely_ | Apr 14 02:38 |
| matey | if you like, ill try to find the language that refers to this restriction | Apr 14 02:38 |
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| activelow | neither "linking" nor "does not permit incorporating into proprietary programs"; the GPL2 license simply does not contain this limitation, it doesn't | Apr 14 02:39 |
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| activelow | if i modify any GPL2 licensed library, then without doubt GPL2 applies with copyleft etc,; yet when linking against GPL2 library (without modification to any such GPL2 library or it's header), the license terms are _undefined_ | Apr 14 02:41 |
| matey | 2. b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License. | Apr 14 02:42 |
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| matey | linking is considered a derivative. | Apr 14 02:42 |
| matey | if all you have to do for it NOT to be a derivative is shove it in a separate file, what good is that? | Apr 14 02:42 |
| activelow | 2. b) contradicts "author's rights", which is the author decides upon the license terms of his _own_ work | Apr 14 02:42 |
| matey | the author doesnt have a right to determin the license of OTHER works | Apr 14 02:43 |
| activelow | and next, linking is an _insufficient_ criteria to decide wether any program is a derivative work or not | Apr 14 02:43 |
| matey | if its not sufficient, then there is a giant loophole that makes the license pointless. | Apr 14 02:44 |
| matey | as far as authors rights, the author has a right to choose gpl if they want to use the gpl work in their software. | Apr 14 02:44 |
| matey | or create a derivative. | Apr 14 02:44 |
| matey | they also have a right to not choose gpl, and not have access to the gpl work, | Apr 14 02:45 |
| matey | but they dont have the right to relicense the gpl work (and thats also because authors rights includes the rights to choose gpl) | Apr 14 02:45 |
| activelow | again, this misses the question if _linking_ suffices to define "derivative work", which it doesn't; linking is a necessary criteria, yet it is insufficient | Apr 14 02:45 |
| matey | again, this misses the question if _linking_ suffices to define "derivative work", which it doesn't; linking is a necessary criteria, yet it is insufficient <- so if you choose a license... | Apr 14 02:46 |
| activelow | linking against a library does _not_ relicense such library | Apr 14 02:46 |
| matey | but it violates the license of that library | Apr 14 02:46 |
| matey | which says what terms the library can be used under | Apr 14 02:47 |
| activelow | no, a license does _not_ define what a derivative work is, in particular GPL2 which does not explicitey forbid linking proprietary, it simply doesn't | Apr 14 02:47 |
| matey | a license does _not_ define what a derivative work is <- but linking is derivative regardless | Apr 14 02:47 |
| matey | which does not explicitey forbid linking proprietary <- it forbids non-free derivatives | Apr 14 02:47 |
| activelow | which opens a gigantic loophole, for both, undesirable linking, or undesirable sanctioning of it | Apr 14 02:48 |
| activelow | and wrong again, it forbids non-free derivatives for a library itself, which is clearly stated within the license, yet it does not explicitely forbid linking into proprietary | Apr 14 02:49 |
| activelow | and linking is not a sufficient criteria to define a derivative work | Apr 14 02:49 |
| activelow | the loophole being, if the definition of a derivative work was strict, any GPL program couldn't be run on any IBM MS Wintel system (typically compilers/libc add proprietary stuff to achieve this) | Apr 14 02:50 |
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| activelow | --- "END OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS" --- | Apr 14 02:51 |
| activelow | and anything blow this line is not part of the GPL2, including statement such as "General Public License does not permit incorporating your program into proprietary programs" | Apr 14 02:52 |
| activelow | if this is an explanation, then it could be contained _within_ the GPL2 license terms, yet it isn't. | Apr 14 02:52 |
| activelow | *below | Apr 14 02:53 |
| matey | the license states what youre able to do | Apr 14 02:54 |
| matey | the explaination just makes it easier for people to understand | Apr 14 02:54 |
| matey | the other thing that matters is what happens when these things go to court | Apr 14 02:54 |
| matey | that cant be included in the license itself | Apr 14 02:54 |
| matey | but it affects our understanding of how the license works | Apr 14 02:54 |
| activelow | the cornerstone of proof seems to be, GPL2 programs being available for ms windows, which they can't be, without linking into proprietary stuff | Apr 14 02:54 |
| matey | if the program is separate, its not derivative | Apr 14 02:55 |
| matey | if its linked, its not separate | Apr 14 02:55 |
| matey | using gpl software on windows is okay | Apr 14 02:55 |
| matey | linking works in two directions | Apr 14 02:55 |
| matey | a gpl program can link to the winapi | Apr 14 02:55 |
| activelow | "General Public License does not permit incorporating your program into proprietary programs"; well, it does _not_ forbid it. doesn't it? | Apr 14 02:55 |
| matey | the winapi cannot link to a gpl program | Apr 14 02:56 |
| activelow | and this "explanation" isn't at least part of the license text itself, to repeat myself | Apr 14 02:56 |
| matey | "General Public License does not permit incorporating your program into proprietary programs"; well, it does _not_ forbid it. doesn't it? <- same thing in lawyerese. | Apr 14 02:56 |
| matey | does not permit = it is not permitted = it is forbidden | Apr 14 02:56 |
| matey | remember the default is ALL RIGHTS RESERVED | Apr 14 02:56 |
| matey | A R R + does not permit = it is not permitted | Apr 14 02:57 |
| activelow | the license terms neither explictely forbid nor permit it | Apr 14 02:57 |
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| MinceR | if the GPLv2 was written correctly, from its actual terms it already follows that it forbids incorporating the covered program into a proprietary program | Apr 14 02:58 |
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| MinceR | that line is only supposed to explain this to non-jurists | Apr 14 02:58 |
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| activelow | the "explanation" is irelevant, because it isn't contained within the license text added to source files | Apr 14 02:59 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 14 02:59 |
| activelow | and the license terms are only clarified upon of what's recognized as a "derivative work"; yet linking into non-free does not suffice as a criteria for a "derivative work" | Apr 14 02:59 |
| MinceR | also, afaik they don't give a legal definition for what "proprietary" is anyway | Apr 14 02:59 |
| MinceR | afaik linking is considered to produce a derivative work, bit IANAL | Apr 14 03:00 |
| activelow | imagine this, if i wanted to publish (and only then copyleft enforcement is relevant, simply modifying some source text on my local pc does not enforce copyleft, even whem GPL2 implies differently) | Apr 14 03:01 |
| activelow | yet, if i published, i couldn't at least be certain, copyleft remained intact if any of my lib was linked into proprietary, for both technical and legal reasons | Apr 14 03:01 |
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| activelow | if linking is considered sufficient to define a "derivative work" of any gpl2 piece, then this contradicts the fact gpl2 programs are available for ms windows; you can't have both. | Apr 14 03:10 |
| activelow | in this case, such a gpl2 program at least requires some proprietary libc linked against, which then "incorporated" gpl2 into proprietary software | Apr 14 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | Mom's always surprised she has all these horrendous car repair bills. | Apr 14 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | I tell her "Watch your transmission fluid and don't ever let it turn brown.". | Apr 14 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | I get her car, it's brown, it's leaking, I have to service it right away. | Apr 14 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 14 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | Things like that. | Apr 14 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | I decided I couldn't afford another "free" car from mom. | Apr 14 03:13 |
| activelow | and if it isn't libc, there is dozens of other headers included, almost certain | Apr 14 03:14 |
| activelow | is linking against libc a derivative work, or isn't it? who is a derivative of whom then? | Apr 14 03:14 |
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| activelow | long story short, linking is a necessary criteria, yet it is _insufficient_; and lgpl2 doesn't address this issue either, to explicitely _forbid_ (not permit) linking with a clear definition this sufficiently defined a derivative work | Apr 14 03:19 |
| activelow | if this "explanation" was contained within the license therms, i would feel comfortable with regards to clarity of license terms: "General Public License does not permit incorporating your program into proprietary programs" | Apr 14 03:22 |
| activelow | nonetheless, the gpl2 does _not_ contain it | Apr 14 03:22 |
| mjg59_ | activelow: That's what the system library exception is for | Apr 14 03:22 |
| mjg59_ | It lets you distribute GPLed code for proprietary operating systems | Apr 14 03:22 |
| mjg59_ | "However, as a special exception, the source code distributed need not include anything that is normally distributed (in either source or binary form) wiith the major components (compiler, kernel and so on) of the operating system" | Apr 14 03:23 |
| mjg59_ | So there's no conflict in the FSF's assertion about derivation here | Apr 14 03:24 |
| activelow | the uncertainty of GPL2 (3?) cannot be removed, as soon as any such piece of GPL software is touched, which is the critical aspect of GPL | Apr 14 03:24 |
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| activelow | i do _not_ want any program of mine being available to MS/IBM Wintel | Apr 14 03:25 |
| activelow | the only options FSF offers then is: touch none of GPL/LGPL | Apr 14 03:26 |
| mjg59_ | When you say that, do you object to the platform on principle or do you object because they're non-free? | Apr 14 03:27 |
| activelow | technical qualities of the platform, legal issues, and US politics | Apr 14 03:28 |
| mjg59_ | Ok, that sounds like a violation of freedom 0 | Apr 14 03:28 |
| activelow | the presence of GPL inside MS/IBM Wintel realm itself is a violation of the license ("incorporation") | Apr 14 03:29 |
| mjg59_ | No it isn't | Apr 14 03:30 |
| activelow | the advertising clause of BSD was neat, since BSD license must be "advertised", yet advertising requires the permission of the author; and this at least is compatible with "author's rights" | Apr 14 03:32 |
| mjg59_ | You're getting very close to a Joerg Schilling interpretation of the GPL, and that did not end well | Apr 14 03:33 |
| activelow | i think, the GPL2 (3?) copyleft are _weaker_ than i expected | Apr 14 03:48 |
| activelow | GPL2 copyleft in the hands of some free developer are practically ineffective often, given the fact how often documentation of sources are missing, to support some hardware etc. | Apr 14 03:49 |
| activelow | and since corporations control alot of what's GPL, it is those corporations who can enforce | Apr 14 03:50 |
| activelow | "communities" | Apr 14 03:51 |
| mjg59_ | Anyone who contributes to a GPLed project is in a position to enforce, as long as there's no CLA required | Apr 14 03:52 |
| activelow | ^ enforce GPL on ones _own_ contribution derivatives, i cannot sue IBM to release BIOS source codes, verilog for x86 (not that i wanted any of this crap on my desk) | Apr 14 03:53 |
| mjg59_ | No, because they're not derivatives of any GPLed code | Apr 14 03:54 |
| activelow | sure | Apr 14 03:54 |
| mjg59_ | GPL was never intended to make proprietary software disappear, and it's not in a position to | Apr 14 03:56 |
| mjg59_ | It was intended to ensure that everyone who received a GPLed work had the right to modify it as needed | Apr 14 03:56 |
| mjg59_ | And to share those modifications as needed | Apr 14 03:56 |
| activelow | which is moot, at a lower level realm of computing | Apr 14 03:57 |
| activelow | controlled by, corporations, pentagon, USA, whoever | Apr 14 03:57 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | β IPFS downstream, 60 mins: βββ ββββββββ βββββ βββ βββββββββββ β βββ avg(k/sec) 20.75 β IPFS upstream: ββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββ avg(k/sec) 57.98β swarm size (avg): 346.28 β² | Apr 14 03:59 |
| activelow | that's why, the misnomer of "free software" is perpetuated, intentionally or not, since it is a comfortable arrangement, to imply this is where GPL2 ended, no copyleft enforcement anymore down there | Apr 14 04:00 |
| activelow | instead, the _USA_ 1984 semiconductor protection act, as one example | Apr 14 04:01 |
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| techrights-ipfs-bot | β IPFS downstream, 60 mins: β ββ β βββββββββββββββββββ β βββ βββββββ avg(k/sec) 20.55 β IPFS upstream: ββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββ avg(k/sec) 80.60β swarm size (avg): 301.81 β² | Apr 14 04:59 |
| AdmFubar | for non profits https://opensource.com/article/22/4/civicrm-open-source-crm | Apr 14 04:59 |
| AdmFubar | what a giant crock this is... | Apr 14 05:03 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/tim-cook-competition-privacy | Apr 14 05:03 |
| AdmFubar | buy an invisable vidoe https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/youtube-nfts-creators | Apr 14 05:05 |
| techrights-news | #Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, April 13, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext | Apr 14 05:08 |
| techrights-news | #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing | Apr 14 05:08 |
| techrights-news | Stable Kernels: 5.17.3, 5.16.20, 5.15.34, and 5.10.111 β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163699 | Apr 14 05:09 |
| techrights-news | The 8 Best Free Flatpak Games Available on Linux β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163700 | Apr 14 05:09 |
| techrights-news | 5 Reasons Why Fedora Feels Like the New Ubuntu β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163701 | Apr 14 05:09 |
| techrights-news | Google #Android Leftovers β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163702 | Apr 14 05:09 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 | Apr 14 05:10 |
| techrights-news | "I got a bunch of replies with tools I hadnβt heard of, so I thought Iβd make a list here. A lot of people also pointed at the modern-unix list." β https://jvns.ca/blog/2022/04/12/a-list-of-new-ish--command-line-tools/ | Source: Julia Evans | Apr 14 05:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jvns.ca | A list of new(ish) command line tools | Apr 14 05:13 | |
| techrights-news | "But I didnβt automate that to save time, I automated it to save focus. I need to think to write out my whole address." β https://buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/you-can-automate-more-than-you-think/ | Source: Buttondown | Apr 14 05:14 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: buttondown.email | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/you-can-automate-more-than-you-think/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/you-can-automate-more-than-you-think/ | Apr 14 05:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-buttondown.email | You can automate more than you think β’ Buttondown | Apr 14 05:14 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.protocol.com/enterprise/emotion-ai-sales-virtual-zoom | Apr 14 05:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AI software from Uniphore, Sybill and Zoom detects customer emotions - Protocol | Apr 14 05:14 | |
| techrights-news | "In the mid-2000s, an upstart Linux distribution became both the most exciting and the most popular version around: Ubuntu." β https://www.makeuseof.com/reasons-fedora-is-new-ubuntu/ | Source: Make Use Of | Apr 14 05:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com | 5 Reasons Why Fedora Feels Like the New Ubuntu | Apr 14 05:14 | |
| techrights-news | MX Linus β https://www.makeuseof.com/mx-linux-version-211-wildflower-released/ | Source: Make Use Of | Apr 14 05:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com | MX Linux Casually Drops Version 21.1, Codenamed "Wildflower" | Apr 14 05:16 | |
| techrights-news | "Much of this is obvious; the bit that may not be is that 'focal' is the code name for Ubuntu 20.04." β https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/AptSourcesManglingEffects | Source: uni Toronto | Apr 14 05:17 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: utoronto.ca | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/AptSourcesManglingEffects https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/AptSourcesManglingEffects | Apr 14 05:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-utcc.utoronto.ca | Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/AptSourcesManglingEffects | Apr 14 05:17 | |
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| techrights-news | "I reluctantly connected an ESP32 to a breadboard and wired the SPI flash IC to the ESP's hardware SPI peripheral." β https://tbspace.de/esp32biosrecovery.html | Source: Tobias MΓ€del | Apr 14 05:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tbspace.de | tbspace - In a pinch: Flashing a PC BIOS with an ESP32 | Apr 14 05:18 | |
| techrights-news | "Weβre going to make a USB keyboard you can use to enter text quickly and unobtrusively, even in the dark." β https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/make-a-chord-keyboard-with-raspberry-pi-pico-and-circuitpython/ | Source: Raspberry Pi | Apr 14 05:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.com | Make a chord keyboard with Raspberry Pi Pico and CircuitPython - Raspberry Pi | Apr 14 05:18 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.salon.com/2022/04/10/dont-fall-for-this-information-gathering-easter-chocolate-scam/ | Apr 14 05:22 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: salon.com | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.salon.com/2022/04/10/dont-fall-for-this-information-gathering-easter-chocolate-scam/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.salon.com/2022/04/10/dont-fall-for-this-information-gathering-easter-chocolate-scam/ | Apr 14 05:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Don't fall for this information-gathering Easter chocolate scam | Salon.com | Apr 14 05:22 | |
| techrights-news | "Iβve learned so much from watching other people code." β https://earthly.dev/blog/golang-streamers/ | Source: Earthly | Apr 14 05:24 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: earthly.dev | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://earthly.dev/blog/golang-streamers/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://earthly.dev/blog/golang-streamers/ | Apr 14 05:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-earthly.dev | Watch People Doing the Thing - Earthly Blog | Apr 14 05:24 | |
| techrights-news | "Over a year ago, I left the role of software engineering* behind to become a site reliability engineer* at Honeycomb" β https://ferd.ca/errors-are-constructed-not-discovered.html | Source: Fred Herbert | Apr 14 05:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ferd.ca | Errors are constructed, not discovered | Apr 14 05:24 | |
| techrights-news | "Given a binary tree, a target node and a positive integer K on it, the task is to find the sum of all nodes within distance K from the target node" β https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/sum-of-nodes-within-k-distance-from-target/ | Source: Geeks For Geeks | Apr 14 05:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geeksforgeeks.org | Sum of nodes within K distance from target - GeeksforGeeks | Apr 14 05:25 | |
| AdmFubar | wounldnt it be better if they fixed the broken and back-doored code??? https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-announces-new-victory-against-organized-botnet-crime | Apr 14 05:25 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: windowscentral.com | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-announces-new-victory-against-organized-botnet-crime https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-announces-new-victory-against-organized-botnet-crime | Apr 14 05:25 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.windowscentral.com | Microsoft announces a new victory against organized botnet crime | Windows Central | Apr 14 05:25 | |
| techrights-news | It's been long gone, like fifteen years long gone. Why are you still asking? gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/04/13.1 | Apr 14 05:26 |
| techrights-news | Just an observation, nothing more gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/04/13.2 | Apr 14 05:26 |
| techrights-news | "American politics are a complete farce. And unfortunately we are a superpower so this is everyone on the globeβs problem" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi | Apr 14 05:28 |
| techrights-news | Bike vs Bus 1-0 gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-04-13-bike-vs-bus-1-0.gmi | Apr 14 05:29 |
| schestowitz | (Cat) gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D559.jpg | Apr 14 05:29 |
| schestowitz | (cat) gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D202.jpg | Apr 14 05:29 |
| techrights-news | "both have various issues, one being that many file formats are known by multiple names. MIME is also often overly lengthy, and also names things strangly. for example, the default type for the whole system is "application/octet-stream"." gemini://binarycat.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-04-13_better-filetypes.gmi | Apr 14 05:30 |
| techrights-news | "deep learning algorithm can remove city noise from earthquake monitoring tools, potentially making it easier to pinpoint when and where a tremor occurs." β https://www.newscientist.com/article/2315982-ai-strips-out-city-noise-to-improve-earthquake-monitoring-systems/ | Source: New Scientist | Apr 14 05:30 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: newscientist.com | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.newscientist.com/article/2315982-ai-strips-out-city-noise-to-improve-earthquake-monitoring-systems/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.newscientist.com/article/2315982-ai-strips-out-city-noise-to-improve-earthquake-monitoring-systems/ | Apr 14 05:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newscientist.com | Earthquake sensors may be helped by AI that strips out city noise | New Scientist | Apr 14 05:30 | |
| techrights-news | "Japanβs space debris removal company" β https://asiatimes.com/2022/04/japan-cosmic-cleanup-firm-is-part-of-space-arms-race/ | Source: Asia Times | Apr 14 05:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-asiatimes.com | Japan cosmic cleanup firm is part of space arms race - Asia Times | Apr 14 05:31 | |
| techrights-news | "Letβs look at an updated example. You and your team have two weeks to complete a relatively simple bug fix. Realistically, it should only take a few hours" β https://www.atlassian.com/blog/productivity/what-is-parkinsons-law | Source: Atlassian | Apr 14 05:32 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: atlassian.com | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.atlassian.com/blog/productivity/what-is-parkinsons-law https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.atlassian.com/blog/productivity/what-is-parkinsons-law | Apr 14 05:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.atlassian.com | How to overcome Parkinson's Law | Apr 14 05:32 | |
| techrights-news | "How to Use Parkinsonβs Law to Get More Done in Less" β https://www.lifehack.org/articles/featured/how-to-use-parkinsons-law-to-your-advantage.html | Apr 14 05:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lifehack.org | How to Use Parkinson's Law to Get More Done in Less Time - Lifehack | Apr 14 05:32 | |
| techrights-news | "At their best, small non-elite colleges can spur innovative ideas and foster great minds" β https://www.timeshighereducation.com/opinion/pressure-pass-mediocre-students-forced-me-out-academia | Source: Times Higher Education | Apr 14 05:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timeshighereducation.com | When I had to pass mediocre students, I quit | Times Higher Education (THE) | Apr 14 05:33 | |
| techrights-news | "This attempted attack involved a wide variety of malware, according to ESET, including the recently discovered CaddyWiper." β https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/13/23023854/ukraine-russian-cyber-attack-power-company-substation | Source: The Verge | Apr 14 05:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Ukraine says it stopped a Russian cyberattack on its power grid - The Verge | Apr 14 05:35 | |
| techrights-news | Windows TCO β https://therecord.media/researchers-find-new-malware-variant-after-stopping-attack-on-ukrainian-energy-provider/ | Source: The Record | Apr 14 05:35 |
| techrights-news | Windows TCO β https://therecord.media/researchers-find-new-malware-variant-after-stopping-attack-on-ukrainian-energy-provider/ | Source: The Record | Apr 14 05:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-therecord.media | Researchers find new malware variant after stopping attack on Ukrainian energy provider - The Record by Recorded Future | Apr 14 05:35 | |
| techrights-news | Windows TCO β https://therecord.media/researchers-find-new-malware-variant-after-stopping-attack-on-ukrainian-energy-provider/ | Source: The Record | Apr 14 05:37 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: therecord.media | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://therecord.media/researchers-find-new-malware-variant-after-stopping-attack-on-ukrainian-energy-provider/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://therecord.media/researchers-find-new-malware-variant-after-stopping-attack-on-ukrainian-energy-provider/ | Apr 14 05:37 | |
| techrights-news | "For some customers, JIRA and some other Atlassian products have been down for an entire week." β https://matt-rickard.com/why-so-many-outages/ | Source: Matt Rickard | Apr 14 05:37 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: matt-rickard.com | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://matt-rickard.com/why-so-many-outages/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://matt-rickard.com/why-so-many-outages/ | Apr 14 05:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-matt-rickard.com | Why So Many Outages? | Apr 14 05:37 | |
| techrights-news | "(Significantly, Sony previously came up with $250 million for a 2020 round from Epic Games, which was then valued at a comparatively modest $17.3 billion.)" β https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/04/11/epic-games-sony-group-investment/ | Source: Digital Music News | Apr 14 05:37 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: digitalmusicnews.com | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/04/11/epic-games-sony-group-investment/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/04/11/epic-games-sony-group-investment/ | Apr 14 05:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitalmusicnews.com | Epic Games Draws $1 Billion Investment From Sony Music Parent | Apr 14 05:37 | |
| techrights-news | "Surprisingly, there is very little history available online about the DOS versions of LapLink, and Iβm not sure when its parallel cable was actually introduced." β https://www.cambus.net/file-transfers-via-the-parallel-port-on-dos-using-laplink/ | Source: Frederic Cambus | Apr 14 05:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cambus.net | File transfers via the parallel port on DOS using LapLink | Frederic Cambus | Apr 14 05:37 | |
| techrights-news | "holy grail" β https://www.theverge.com/23022611/meta-facebook-nazare-ar-glasses-roadmap-2024 | Source: The Verge | Apr 14 05:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Behind Mark Zuckerberg big plans for AR glasses - The Verge | Apr 14 05:39 | |
| techrights-news | [Old] "As a concept for integrating cyberwarfare systems, the US Cyber Command created the Joint Cyber Operations Architecture (JCWA) " β https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/03/24/the-development-of-warfare-cyberspace-in-the-united-states/ | Source: Modern Diplomacy | Apr 14 05:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-moderndiplomacy.eu | The development of warfare cyberspace in the United States - Modern Diplomacy | Apr 14 05:40 | |
| techrights-news | [Old] "In August 2021 the US Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) awarded to the cybersecurity firm" β https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/03/29/the-development-of-warfare-cyberspace-in-the-united-states-part-2/ | Source: Modern Diplomacy | Apr 14 05:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-moderndiplomacy.eu | The development of warfare cyberspace in the United States, part 2 - Modern Diplomacy | Apr 14 05:40 | |
| techrights-news | "The US Army Ground Vehicle Systems Center, in collaboration with Texas-based Southwest Research Institute (SwRI), has developed a new Intrusion Detection System (IDS)" β https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/04/06/the-development-of-warfare-cyberspace-in-the-united-states-part-3/ | Source: Modern Diplomacy | Apr 14 05:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-moderndiplomacy.eu | The development of warfare cyberspace in the United States, part 3 - Modern Diplomacy | Apr 14 05:41 | |
| techrights-news | "NATO is developing new cloud technologies to establish technical standards in the field and ensure interoperability among Member States." β https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/04/13/the-development-of-warfare-cyberspace-in-the-united-states-part-4/ | Source: Modern Diplomacy | Apr 14 05:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-moderndiplomacy.eu | The development of warfare cyberspace in the United States, part 4 - Modern Diplomacy | Apr 14 05:41 | |
| techrights-news | "there donβt seem to be much βobjectiveβ data available that would either support or invalidate these reports besides a BGP-level view of prefixes" β https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28546 | Source: SANS | Apr 14 05:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-isc.sans.edu | InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center | Apr 14 05:43 | |
| techrights-news | "In recent weeks, American officials have warned that Russia could try to expand its cyberwarfare β perhaps even by disrupting American pipelines and electric grids" β https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/12/us/politics/ukraine-russian-cyberattack.html | Source: New York Times | Apr 14 05:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Ukraine Says It Thwarted a Sophisticated Russian Cyberattack on Its Power Grid - The New York Times | Apr 14 05:43 | |
| techrights-news | "Following efforts by the US and others to address cryptocurrency standards" β https://www.computerworld.com/article/3656729/following-us-moves-uk-looks-to-regulate-crypto-create-government-token.html | Source: Computer World | Apr 14 05:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Following US moves, UK looks to regulate crypto, create government token | Computerworld | Apr 14 05:45 | |
| techrights-news | "Tesla solar panels and Megapack batteries are being deployed in Texas in order to mine bitcoin with 100 per cent renewable energy." β https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/tesla-bitcoin-mining-solar-power-b2055453.html | Source: The Independent UK | Apr 14 05:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | Tesla to power bitcoin mine with solar energy | The Independent | Apr 14 05:45 | |
| techrights-news | "His dream home was not owned by a person but by a tech company." β https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/13/1049227/house-flipping-algorithms-are-coming-to-your-neighborhood/ | Source: MIT Technology Review | Apr 14 05:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.technologyreview.com | House-flipping algorithms are coming to your neighborhoodβ despite the losses | MIT Technology Review | Apr 14 05:50 | |
| techrights-news | Microsoft β https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/13/23023776/activision-blizzard-sexual-harassment-gavin-newsom | Source: The Verge | Apr 14 05:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | California governor has been interfering in Activision Blizzard lawsuit - The Verge | Apr 14 05:50 | |
| techrights-news | "We worked with our community to submit comments in this proceeding. Weβll describe the high notes here." β https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/04/routing-security-goes-to-washington/ | Source: Internet Society | Apr 14 05:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.internetsociety.org | Routing Security Goes to Washington - Internet Society | Apr 14 05:55 | |
| techrights-news | News Guard are Microsoft boosters and censorship company β https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/04/13/how-tiktok-is-being-used-as-propaganda-machinery-during-war-time/ | Source: Modern Diplomacy | Apr 14 05:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-moderndiplomacy.eu | How TikTok is being used as propaganda machinery during war time - Modern Diplomacy | Apr 14 05:58 | |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | β IPFS downstream, 60 mins: β βββββ βββββββ ββ βββββββββββββββ ββ ββ avg(k/sec) 23.88 β IPFS upstream: ββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββ avg(k/sec) 91.13β swarm size (avg): 332.48 β² | Apr 14 05:59 |
| techrights-news | "Former Brown University professor and current president of Heterodox Academy John Tomasi is hoping to see that direction change." β https://kjzz.org/content/1771899/former-professor-says-too-many-college-students-are-self-censoring | | Apr 14 05:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kjzz.org | Former professor says too many college students are self-censoring | KJZZ | Apr 14 05:59 | |
| techrights-news | "EU co-legislators agreed βin principleβ on a ban on adverts targeting minors and utilising sensitive data, in the DSA." β https://www.euractiv.com/section/digital/news/digital-brief-dsa-fourth-trilogue-dma-diverging-views-frances-fine-for-google/ | Source: Euractive | Apr 14 05:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Digital Brief: DSA fourth trilogue, DMA diverging views, Franceβs fine for Google β EURACTIV.com | Apr 14 05:59 | |
| techrights-news | "Reforming Section 230 wonβt help with content moderation on online platforms, observers said Monday" β https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/04/reforming-section-230-wont-help-with-content-moderation-panel-hears/ | Source: Broadband Breakfast | Apr 14 05:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-broadbandbreakfast.com | Reforming Section 230 Won't Help With Content Moderation, Event Hears : Broadband Breakfast | Apr 14 05:59 | |
| techrights-news | "because he will get copyright infringement" β https://www.sunherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article260245605.html | | Apr 14 06:06 |
| techrights-news | "Lewis was one of more than 50 gig workers killed while driving for companies like Lyft, Uber and DoorDash since 2017, according to a new report" β https://text.npr.org/1091068852 | Source: NPR | Apr 14 06:06 |
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| techrights-news | LOL. 1%. "The survey of more than 10 million Microsoft devices by Lansweeperβs PC management software showed 1.44% now run Windows 11, an increase from the 0.52%" β https://www.computerworld.com/article/3657628/more-than-half-of-pcs-cant-upgrade-to-windows-11-report.html | Source: Computer World | Apr 14 06:09 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 | Apr 14 06:09 |
| techrights-news | "The Offeror will announce the preliminary percentage of the Shares validly tendered during the Subsequent Offer Period on or about April 29, 2022" β https://www.nextgames.com/articles/final-result-of-netflix-inc-s-voluntary-recommended-public-tender-offer-for-all-outstanding-shares-and-stock-options-in-next-games-corporation-netflix-inc-completes-the-tender-offer-and-commences-a-subsequent-offer-period | | Apr 14 06:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nextgames.com | Next Games | Final Result of Netflix, Inc.βs Voluntary Recommendedβ¦ | Apr 14 06:09 | |
| techrights-news | "Netflix is set to acquire Finnish gaming company Next Games." β https://yle.fi/news/3-12403408 | Source: YLE | Apr 14 06:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yle.fi | Netflix to take over Finnish gaming company | News | Yle Uutiset | Apr 14 06:09 | |
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| techrights-news | "The Commission has information that Microsoft may be using its potentially dominant position in certain software markets" β https://www.reuters.com/business/microsofts-cloud-business-targeted-by-eu-antitrust-regulators-2022-04-01/ | Source: Reuters | Apr 14 06:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft's cloud business targeted by EU antitrust regulators | Reuters | Apr 14 06:11 | |
| techrights-news | "Crook was talking about the Open Markets Act, which would forbid app stores with more than 50 million domestic users from requiring app developers from using in-app payment options" β https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/04/apple-ceo-against-app-legislation-russian-cyberattack-thwarted-european-telecoms-exit-russia/ | Source: Broadband Breakfast | Apr 14 06:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-broadbandbreakfast.com | Apple CEO Against App Legislation, Russian Cyberattack Thwarted, European Telecoms Exit Russia : Broadband Breakfast | Apr 14 06:11 | |
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| techrights-news | "According to notes published alongside the release of OpenSSH 9.0, the open-source group will now use the hybrid Streamlined NTRU Prime" β https://www.securityweek.com/openssh-moves-prevent-capture-now-decrypt-later-attacks | Source: Security Week | Apr 14 06:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-OpenSSH Moves to Prevent 'Capture Now, Decrypt Later' Attacks | SecurityWeek.Com | Apr 14 06:12 | |
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| techrights-news | "The website will serve as a gateway to the CCB before the full opening of the board to users of copyrighted materials later this spring." β https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/04/10/copyright-office-copyright-claims-board-website/ | Source: Digital Music News | Apr 14 06:13 |
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| techrights-news | "Santiago joins the company from Meta (formerly Facebook), and will partner with Viceβs existing creative and editorial teams." β https://variety.com/2022/film/news/rich-santiago-vice-media-group-svp-1235232136/ | Source: Variety | Apr 14 06:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Vice Media Group Names Rich Santiago as SVP - Variety | Apr 14 06:13 | |
| techrights-news | "We see tons of projects with the infamous βBlue Pillβ STM32 boards" β https://hackaday.com/2022/04/13/arming-with-an-os/ | Source: Hackaday | Apr 14 06:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Arming With An OS | Hackaday | Apr 14 06:14 | |
| techrights-news | "If thereβs one thing audiences love in sci-fi, itβs a cute robot companion that follows the heroes around." β https://hackaday.com/2022/04/13/2022-sci-fi-contest-a-hand-following-robot-powered-by-arduino/ | Source: Hackaday | Apr 14 06:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-2022 Sci-Fi Contest: A Hand-Following Robot, Powered By Arduino | Hackaday | Apr 14 06:15 | |
| techrights-news | "A spectrum visualizer is always a fun project, but we really liked [Yannick99]βs take on it since it uses seven IN-13 Nixie tubes for the display." β https://hackaday.com/2022/04/13/nixie-spectrum-display-has-seven-bands/ | Source: Hackaday | Apr 14 06:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nixie Spectrum Display Has Seven Bands | Hackaday | Apr 14 06:18 | |
| techrights-news | NSA back doors or security? β https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/04/microsoft-patch-tuesday-april-2022-edition/ | Source: Krebs On Security | Apr 14 06:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | Microsoft Patch Tuesday, April 2022 Edition β Krebs on Security | Apr 14 06:19 | |
| techrights-news | Gulagtube β https://torrentfreak.com/manga-pirates-warned-that-kadokawa-seeks-their-identities-from-youtube-220413/ | Source: Torrent Freak | Apr 14 06:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Manga Pirates Warned That Kadokawa Seeks Their Identities From YouTube * TorrentFreak | Apr 14 06:19 | |
| techrights-news | "Most people file online, making this month a virtual playground for cybercriminals trying to steal your identity or financial info." β https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/how-to-file-taxes-online-securely-in-2022/ | Source: PIA | Apr 14 06:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.privateinternetaccess.com | How to File Taxes Online Securely in 2022 | Apr 14 06:20 | |
| techrights-news | "That energy storage is a hot topic is hardly a surprise to anyone these days." β https://hackaday.com/2022/04/13/the-future-of-energy-storage-on-both-sides-of-the-meter/ | Source: Hackaday | Apr 14 06:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Future Of Energy Storage On Both Sides Of The Meter | Hackaday | Apr 14 06:20 | |
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| techrights-news | "As Mike noted the other day, state after state has been playing βfuck around and find outβ with all sorts of bills that fundamentally interfere with the First Amendment and Section 230." β https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/12/and-now-the-copia-institute-tells-the-fifth-circuit-that-texas-doesnt-get-to-regulate-the-internet-either/ | Source: Techdirt | Apr 14 06:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-And Now The Copia Institute Tells The Fifth Circuit That Texas Doesnβt Get To Regulate The Internet Either | Techdirt | Apr 14 06:24 | |
| techrights-news | "Itβs disappointing and shameful that a United States Senator would endorse a riot, especially a riot intended to challenge the indisputably legitimate election of the President of the United States." β https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/13/josh-hawley-may-be-a-terrible-human-being-and-senator-but-he-still-gets-fair-use-rights/ | Source: Techdirt | Apr 14 06:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Josh Hawley May Be A Terrible Human Being (And Senator), But He Still Gets Fair Use Rights | Techdirt | Apr 14 06:25 | |
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| schestowitz-TR | schestowitz: gm | Apr 14 06:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | SomeH4x0r: gm | Apr 14 06:28 |
| SomeH4x0r | hi | Apr 14 06:29 |
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| SomeH4x0r | hi | Apr 14 06:31 |
| techrights-news | "On any given day you can find a stellar array of phenomenal reporting in the pages of the New York Times. On any other day you can also find a rotating crop of terrible gibberish" β https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/13/new-york-times-editors-still-dont-understand-how-twitter-or-the-internet-work/ | Source: Techdirt | Apr 14 06:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New York Times Editors Still Donβt Understand How Twitter Or The Internet Work | Techdirt | Apr 14 06:31 | |
| matey | hey | Apr 14 06:32 |
| techrights-news | Twitter won't immediately die. It'd failing, so it'll get warped into something else and then die. Same for Facebook. | Apr 14 06:32 |
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| leah | schestowitz-TR: do you know if rms addressed the microcode issue? | Apr 14 06:56 |
| leah | i only care about the talk because someone asked him about by policy regarding cpu microcode | Apr 14 06:56 |
| leah | he alluded to libreboot lol. but i don't think he'd talk about microcode, because the topic of osboot would come up | Apr 14 06:58 |
| leah | and according to his email, he's "not against what i'm doing" :P | Apr 14 06:58 |
| leah | the man is ahypocrite | Apr 14 06:58 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | β IPFS downstream, 60 mins: βββββββ βββ ββββββ βββ ββ βββββ β β βββ βββ ββ βββ avg(k/sec) 20.23 β IPFS upstream: ββββββββββββββββββββ βββββββββββββ avg(k/sec) 108.55β swarm size (avg): 340.56 β² | Apr 14 06:59 |
| leah | an absolute hypocrite | Apr 14 06:59 |
| SomeH4x0r | having a few people represent the entire free software movement is the reason I wanted to sign anti-RMS letter | Apr 14 06:59 |
| leah | i have better things to do than listen to this talk | Apr 14 07:00 |
| leah | i'll go do that now | Apr 14 07:00 |
| leah | rms talks about freedom. i do more for freedom than he does, and i have the courage to tell the truth about microcode, about hardware, etc | Apr 14 07:01 |
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| psydruid | are his own and his family's and friends' positions in the hardware world the reason why he has never wanted to discuss hardware freedom? | Apr 14 07:11 |
| matey | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh#Relationship_to_the_Bible | Apr 14 07:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Epic of Gilgamesh - Wikipedia | Apr 14 07:15 | |
| matey | <SomeH4x0r> having a few people represent the entire free software movement is the reason I wanted to sign anti-RMS letter | Apr 14 07:16 |
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| matey | ^ there is no need to smear rms to avoid having a few people representing the entire free software movement | Apr 14 07:16 |
| matey | the movement is falling apart on its own | Apr 14 07:17 |
| matey | all you need to do is grab a piece and do what you will (hopefully something good) with it | Apr 14 07:17 |
| leah | "I don't think what you're doing is horrible." | Apr 14 07:17 |
| leah | this is from an email on 25 March 2021, written by rms, regarding osboot | Apr 14 07:18 |
| matey | <leah> rms talks about freedom. i do more for freedom than he does <- that may be true today, but he created the movement you serve | Apr 14 07:18 |
| leah | this is why i call rms a hypocrite | Apr 14 07:18 |
| matey | ive spent literally years watching the "state of free software" and ive been focused mostly on its future | Apr 14 07:18 |
| leah | he's not privately against osboot. but talks shit about it (merely not by name) by talking about microcode stuff | Apr 14 07:18 |
| matey | i recognise leah as a likely key figure (one of many) in that future | Apr 14 07:19 |
| matey | we need more people doing things like this. | Apr 14 07:19 |
| leah | matey: i want to completely smash that world you're dreaming of, because that world has me or someone else as the "supreme leader" | Apr 14 07:19 |
| leah | i don't want supreme leaders | Apr 14 07:19 |
| leah | i want a collective. a federation | Apr 14 07:19 |
| matey | that world has me or someone else as the "supreme leader <- not at all | Apr 14 07:19 |
| leah | we've discussed it before, so there's no need for me to repeat it | Apr 14 07:19 |
| matey | i want a collective. a federatio <- ive been talking about a federation for years | Apr 14 07:19 |
| leah | oh sorry, i misread | Apr 14 07:20 |
| matey | in fact ill explain how and why i started talking about a federation | Apr 14 07:20 |
| leah | "one of many" is what you actually wrote | Apr 14 07:20 |
| matey | i misread <- no worries at all | Apr 14 07:20 |
| leah | "many" is the keyword here | Apr 14 07:20 |
| matey | originally i intended to "fork" the fsf | Apr 14 07:20 |
| leah | don't bother. let it rot | Apr 14 07:20 |
| matey | then i wanted to make my fork easier for other people to fork. | Apr 14 07:20 |
| leah | the federation will come | Apr 14 07:20 |
| matey | yes | Apr 14 07:20 |
| leah | it's already here | Apr 14 07:20 |
| leah | someone just needs to put a name on it | Apr 14 07:20 |
| leah | i've moved the date for launching fedfree to summer of 2022 | Apr 14 07:21 |
| matey | then i decided that people had no interest in forking the fsf | Apr 14 07:21 |
| matey | well what youre doing does more to fulfill what ive been talking about than it contradicts it | Apr 14 07:21 |
| matey | i never imagined that every "node" would be the same | Apr 14 07:21 |
| matey | rather that each would have strengths and weaknesses | Apr 14 07:22 |
| matey | and that the federation (the whole) would fuse those together-- like the movement itself is intended to (even the original movement) | Apr 14 07:22 |
| matey | but since forking an organisation is boring and no fun, i figured there should be a "lighter-weight option" even years ago | Apr 14 07:22 |
| matey | and that these satellite mini-orgs, or "labs" instead of forking an entire org, could join together under "umbrella orgs" which were larger and cared about more mundane organisational tasks | Apr 14 07:23 |
| matey | of course this is all probably more elaborate than it needs to be | Apr 14 07:24 |
| matey | the real point is federation itself. | Apr 14 07:24 |
| matey | and you can see other people (like leah) arriving at this on their own, which suggests even more that its a viable idea. | Apr 14 07:24 |
| matey | whats really great about the federation, imo, has two parts | Apr 14 07:25 |
| matey | first: the movement gains a future | Apr 14 07:25 |
| matey | the fsf doesnt seem to have one | Apr 14 07:25 |
| matey | second: the movement does not have to sit under a failing, monolithic org. why repeat that mistake? | Apr 14 07:25 |
| matey | of course one of the most important things is that this not turn into open source | Apr 14 07:26 |
| matey | most of my more elaborate concerns are about avoiding that sort of course | Apr 14 07:26 |
| matey | i consider open source to be bait-and-switch. i want real freedon. | Apr 14 07:26 |
| matey | freeddom | Apr 14 07:26 |
| matey | and maybe a better keyboard. | Apr 14 07:26 |
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| matey | the choice of "lab" for nodes is no mistake. we should be doing research on how to further free software | Apr 14 07:30 |
| matey | osboot is doing that kind of research | Apr 14 07:30 |
| matey | libreboot is failing (as far as i can tell) as a way to get freedom over boot firmware | Apr 14 07:31 |
| matey | osboot is a different approach | Apr 14 07:31 |
| leah | have you ever considered the true role gnu has had in free software? | Apr 14 07:31 |
| matey | if libreboot is sufficient, we probably dont need osboot. if libreboot is failing, the floor needs to be open to ideas | Apr 14 07:31 |
| leah | when you actually look at history, you'll find that there is another community which also gained traction in the 80s and 90s, on a completely different origin, but with the same goal | Apr 14 07:32 |
| matey | have you ever considered the true role gnu has had in free software? <- i consider it the original flagship of the movement-- but one that has failed | Apr 14 07:32 |
| matey | when you actually look at history <- im very interested in that history | Apr 14 07:32 |
| matey | but what are you referring to exactly | Apr 14 07:32 |
| leah | BSD predates GNU | Apr 14 07:32 |
| activelow | GPL2 (3?) copyleft is too weak | Apr 14 07:32 |
| matey | activelow just became a contract lawyer tonight | Apr 14 07:33 |
| leah | and BSD's origin is literally unix itself | Apr 14 07:33 |
| matey | yes | Apr 14 07:33 |
| matey | bsd predates gnu | Apr 14 07:33 |
| leah | before linux started, gnu was on the fringes | Apr 14 07:33 |
| matey | however there were two people who more than any other, pushed for bsd to become free (theres one other factor i should mention and will) | Apr 14 07:33 |
| matey | those people were richard stallman and john gilmore | Apr 14 07:34 |
| activelow | gpl copyleft wasn't too weak (both legally and technically) in the beginning, to attract various developers; nowadays it is insufficient | Apr 14 07:34 |
| leah | and it's only a historical accident that the distros used gnu | Apr 14 07:34 |
| matey | there was one other factor in bsd becoming free | Apr 14 07:34 |
| matey | and that account is told be kirk mccusick | Apr 14 07:34 |
| leah | i think if gnu and linux never started, bsd would have been the thing everyone uses. and i think libre software would be in about the same position its in now | Apr 14 07:34 |
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| matey | a lot of companies wanted bsd to be under a license that allowed them to put it on chips on expansion boards | Apr 14 07:35 |
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| matey | so these three factors led to a free/open version of bsd | Apr 14 07:35 |
| matey | not i almost never say free/open but here i might as well | Apr 14 07:35 |
| matey | 1. companies wanted it 2. stallman pushed for it 3. john gilmore pushed for it | Apr 14 07:35 |
| matey | the most free version of bsd by far (in policy and reality) is openbsd, unless you count hyperbola (openbsd-based) | Apr 14 07:36 |
| leah | what about netbsd and freebsd? | Apr 14 07:36 |
| matey | freebsd imo is the least free of these, in ways i can detail | Apr 14 07:37 |
| leah | go on then | Apr 14 07:37 |
| matey | netbsd is in the middle but includes non-free drivers | Apr 14 07:37 |
| activelow | bsd hasn't got any copyleft clause, stating the obvious; and even with gpl widespread corporations molest devs and users | Apr 14 07:37 |
| matey | openbsd comes from netbsd but has a much stricter policy about drivers | Apr 14 07:37 |
| matey | hyperbola extends that policy to firmware (openbsd has no interest in doing that) | Apr 14 07:37 |
| matey | openbsd isnt a movement, its a project. they dont want to do firmware. | Apr 14 07:38 |
| matey | their policy reflects this | Apr 14 07:38 |
| matey | but they dont tolerate non-free drivers | Apr 14 07:38 |
| matey | freebsd has its package management tied into github. policy documents too. | Apr 14 07:38 |
| matey | ive heard they have a policy about free drivers, but i didnt spent 10 fucking years migrating from dos and windows just to get all my "free software" from ibm and microsoft again | Apr 14 07:39 |
| matey | monopoly has to die | Apr 14 07:39 |
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| matey | so it matters to me how forkable an os is. freedom 3 in reality, not just on paper | Apr 14 07:39 |
| matey | openbsd is the most forkable | Apr 14 07:39 |
| matey | i think netbsd is probably the second most forkable | Apr 14 07:40 |
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| matey | everybody else seems to want a dick sucking contest with microsoft and ibm, im not interested (personally) | Apr 14 07:40 |
| leah | i'm actually against what hyperbola is doing with openbsd btw | Apr 14 07:40 |
| leah | i'm against fsdg | Apr 14 07:40 |
| activelow | ideally, GPL could prohibit the deployment of any individual peace of free software into IBM Wintel realm; at any level beginning inside firmwares and wherever else | Apr 14 07:40 |
| leah | i'm also against proprietary firmware | Apr 14 07:40 |
| activelow | *piece | Apr 14 07:40 |
| matey | i'm against fsdg <- im not a huge fan of fsdg | Apr 14 07:40 |
| leah | but i think removing them solves nothing | Apr 14 07:40 |
| leah | in fact, i think that does more harm | Apr 14 07:41 |
| matey | i understand and respect your position on this | Apr 14 07:41 |
| leah | people won't use your libre OS if their hardware doesn't work | Apr 14 07:41 |
| matey | note im presently using openbsd anyway | Apr 14 07:41 |
| leah | firmware is unfortunately needed | Apr 14 07:41 |
| leah | i want that firmware to be there | Apr 14 07:41 |
| leah | *firmware* | Apr 14 07:41 |
| leah | not drivers | Apr 14 07:41 |
| matey | i really liked using trisquel, back when it was less of a joke | Apr 14 07:41 |
| matey | because i was SURE it wouldnt work-- and it did! | Apr 14 07:41 |
| matey | but, its a complex issue because | Apr 14 07:41 |
| matey | if you look around, we are all fucked on the hardware front, unless we want to be owned by intel forever. | Apr 14 07:42 |
| leah | wait what? | Apr 14 07:42 |
| matey | and amd is no better | Apr 14 07:42 |
| leah | in what way is trisquel a joke now? | Apr 14 07:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | [21:26] <techrights-news> βRubΓ©n is founder of the Trisquel GNU/Linux distribution project and other nonprofits. He has contributes to freedom and privacy oriented Web tools, such as GNU IceCat, GNU LibreJS and JShelter.β http://techrights.org/2022/04/13/trisquel-founder-on-lazy-eye/ | Apr 14 07:42 |
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| leah | my opinion about it has changed over the years, but i can't see that the project has changed at all over the years | Apr 14 07:42 |
| leah | they seem to still be doing a decent job, technically, on the OS | Apr 14 07:42 |
| matey | in what way is trisquel a joke now? <- im sure my rant about trisquel will be the least interesting part of this to you. would you like to save that part for some other time and focus on the rest? | Apr 14 07:42 |
| leah | ok | Apr 14 07:43 |
| matey | cheers | Apr 14 07:43 |
| matey | but what i mean is | Apr 14 07:43 |
| matey | abuot the rest | Apr 14 07:43 |
| techrights-news | microsoft windows tco https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/04/russian-cyberattack-against-ukrainian-power-grid-prevented.html | Apr 14 07:43 |
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| matey | if we want to move past being serfs of x86 | Apr 14 07:43 |
| matey | a goal that you, myself and my associates share | Apr 14 07:43 |
| matey | trisquels approach probably does not serve that goal. | Apr 14 07:43 |
| matey | nor does hyperbolas | Apr 14 07:43 |
| leah | trisquel does support arm now | Apr 14 07:44 |
| matey | and this is because of the fsdg | Apr 14 07:44 |
| matey | trisquel does support arm no <- cool | Apr 14 07:44 |
| leah | to be clear, i agree with you | Apr 14 07:44 |
| leah | i'm merely being factual | Apr 14 07:44 |
| matey | i see linux as a dead end | Apr 14 07:44 |
| matey | no i think facts are extremely important | Apr 14 07:44 |
| matey | and underrated | Apr 14 07:44 |
| matey | so is context, and i think you do justice to both | Apr 14 07:44 |
| matey | to be clear, i dont idolise you or anything | Apr 14 07:45 |
| matey | i admire what youre doing and i think its important | Apr 14 07:45 |
| matey | we need more people doing this sort of thing | Apr 14 07:45 |
| *schestowitz-TR does too | Apr 14 07:45 | |
| matey | youre setting an example | Apr 14 07:45 |
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| schestowitz-TR | (re " i admire what youre doing and i think its important") | Apr 14 07:46 |
| matey | when we are looking for examples of people who understand the future of free software | Apr 14 07:46 |
| matey | we dont have a lot of examples right now. obviously sam zeloof is fucking important too | Apr 14 07:46 |
| matey | what sam zeloof is doing right now is such a big fucking deal he could be one of the more important names of the 21st century | Apr 14 07:47 |
| matey | like edison or tesla in the 20th | Apr 14 07:47 |
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| leah | yes, his name matters a lot | Apr 14 07:49 |
| leah | more people need to know about sam zeloof and the libre silicon project | Apr 14 07:49 |
| matey | of course its what hes actually doing that matters | Apr 14 07:49 |
| matey | i actually heard about sam zeloof from you and one other person (you first) the same week | Apr 14 07:49 |
| matey | it was so close together i said to the other person "wait, did you tell me about him or did i tell you?" | Apr 14 07:49 |
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| matey | they were just as excited as you or i | Apr 14 07:50 |
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| matey | i was a kid when i foresaw fpgas. i compare hearing about sam zeloof to the first time i saw a picture of an fpga on the cover of scientific american | Apr 14 07:51 |
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| matey | i liked eeproms. seemed like a likely candidate for future computing developments. | Apr 14 07:51 |
| matey | "of course these will replace floppies" | Apr 14 07:51 |
| matey | i realise theyre not exactly the same as nand flash. theyre certainly close enough for me | Apr 14 07:52 |
| leah | matey: you probably heard about sam's work from ariadne first | Apr 14 07:52 |
| matey | and i honestly dont know exactly how fpgas work, but whats important is they do what i | Apr 14 07:52 |
| leah | she promoted it, and then someone else linked it on a mailing list | Apr 14 07:52 |
| leah | and then i saw it | Apr 14 07:52 |
| matey | no, i did not hear about sams work from ariadne, even if she talks about him constantly (which i havent noticed but i dont follow her closely) | Apr 14 07:52 |
| matey | <leah> she promoted it <- thats good | Apr 14 07:53 |
| leah | actually i'm a bit fuzzy too | Apr 14 07:53 |
| matey | the important thing is that everybody understands that homemade cpus are not 20 years off in the future | Apr 14 07:53 |
| matey | they need to consider the implications of this for computing and freedom | Apr 14 07:54 |
| leah | anyway, the thing to realize about sam's work is that's how things should have been in the 80s | Apr 14 07:54 |
| leah | his work is correcting a mistake | Apr 14 07:54 |
| matey | agreed | Apr 14 07:54 |
| leah | people think of software in a vacuum | Apr 14 07:54 |
| leah | but hardware is the first step | Apr 14 07:54 |
| leah | the *first* step | Apr 14 07:54 |
| matey | yes, thats a mistake | Apr 14 07:54 |
| leah | software comes from hardware | Apr 14 07:54 |
| leah | you write software to run on a particular processor | Apr 14 07:54 |
| techrights-news | SJVN at El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/13/linux_column/ | Apr 14 07:54 |
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| matey | ive been saying since 2018: "free software, free culture, free hardware" | Apr 14 07:54 |
| leah | or you write a compiler | Apr 14 07:54 |
| leah | don't say free | Apr 14 07:55 |
| leah | say libre | Apr 14 07:55 |
| leah | free is confusing | Apr 14 07:55 |
| leah | i try to avoid the word "free" these days | Apr 14 07:55 |
| leah | i'll either say freedom-respecting, or libre | Apr 14 07:55 |
| matey | im fine with libre | Apr 14 07:55 |
| leah | i have to go pack some orders for shipping | Apr 14 07:55 |
| leah | i'll be back later | Apr 14 07:55 |
| matey | cheers | Apr 14 07:55 |
| leah | just had my porridge. now i will have coffee | Apr 14 07:55 |
| leah | fun fact about porridge: it's a pain in the ass to do it in the microwave | Apr 14 07:56 |
| matey | /me goes to make tea | Apr 14 07:56 |
| leah | it always explodes | Apr 14 07:56 |
| leah | like a volcano | Apr 14 07:56 |
| matey | i just boil water | Apr 14 07:56 |
| matey | i dont own a microwave | Apr 14 07:56 |
| matey | water boils faster in a pan than a pot | Apr 14 07:56 |
| leah | i have nothing to cook porridge with on my stove | Apr 14 07:56 |
| leah | just a pot for doing pasta/soup in | Apr 14 07:56 |
| leah | could use a pan actually | Apr 14 07:57 |
| matey | i do my tea in a pan | Apr 14 07:57 |
| leah | pan porridge | Apr 14 07:57 |
| leah | matey: do it in water, with just the oats. sprinkle in some cinnamon, and slice up some bananas and cook them with the oats | Apr 14 07:57 |
| matey | minus the bananas, plus maple, thats what i do, yes | Apr 14 07:58 |
| techrights-news | Brodie Robertson should know better than to promote criminals' (Microsoft) attack on Free software and on Git itself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbG_mLsbw24 | Apr 14 07:58 |
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| leah | anyway, laters | Apr 14 07:58 |
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| matey | cheers | Apr 14 07:58 |
| techrights-news | "Itβs been a few weeks already that our now former colleague, Mark Dougherty, has decided to venture on a solo mission to create his own Linux dedicated website, called Linux Gaming Central. Now that the site has quite a few articles (and a logo) under its belt, itβs a good time to feature what you can find on it." https://boilingsteam.com/linux-gaming-central-its-live-check-it-out/ | Apr 14 07:58 |
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| leah | i'll stick around for a bit while i sip my coffee | Apr 14 08:01 |
| matey | pans already on | Apr 14 08:01 |
| leah | matey: banana and cinnamon goes great | Apr 14 08:02 |
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| leah | mix in the cinnamon with the oats and water | Apr 14 08:02 |
| leah | slice the banana rigorously. thin slices. mix it in | Apr 14 08:02 |
| leah | cook it together, in the pan | Apr 14 08:02 |
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| leah | could always use milk too, but i don't usually buy milk | Apr 14 08:02 |
| techrights-news | Games: Lumencraft, No Manβs Sky, and More β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163703 | Apr 14 08:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Lumencraft, No Man's Sky, and More | Tux Machines | Apr 14 08:02 | |
| leah | banana and cinnamon in porridge. breakfast for champions | Apr 14 08:03 |
| matey | i use milk. around here i get shit for it :) | Apr 14 08:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | granola! | Apr 14 08:03 |
| leah | shit for it? | Apr 14 08:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | with tons of sugar! | Apr 14 08:03 |
| leah | do you live with vegans? | Apr 14 08:03 |
| matey | yeah wannabe vegans in here | Apr 14 08:03 |
| matey | no i mean in this channel | Apr 14 08:03 |
| matey | its ok, i think its funny | Apr 14 08:03 |
| leah | matey: i was vegan for a full year | Apr 14 08:03 |
| leah | i did it for science | Apr 14 08:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | then want to thailand | Apr 14 08:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | *went | Apr 14 08:04 |
| matey | im not against people being vegan | Apr 14 08:04 |
| matey | but i put milk in my tea | Apr 14 08:04 |
| leah | veganism is pointless | Apr 14 08:04 |
| leah | that's what i concluded | Apr 14 08:04 |
| leah | but: | Apr 14 08:04 |
| leah | here in europe and north america, we eat far too much meat and dairy | Apr 14 08:04 |
| leah | far too much | Apr 14 08:04 |
| leah | we need to eat about 10% of the meat and dairy we currently consume | Apr 14 08:04 |
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| leah | i have meat in about 1 in every 8 meals? otherwise, usually beans and lentils or something. or mushrooms and peas | Apr 14 08:05 |
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| schestowitz | veganishsm | Apr 14 08:05 |
| leah | you can get calcium from broccoli | Apr 14 08:05 |
| leah | and kale | Apr 14 08:05 |
| leah | most of my meat consumption is fish | Apr 14 08:06 |
| leah | 1 pint of milk per week. that's the maximum amount of dairy anyone should consume, imo | Apr 14 08:06 |
| leah | 1 pint | Apr 14 08:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | in brews? | Apr 14 08:06 |
| matey | /me drinks his tea | Apr 14 08:06 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: british tea is disgusting | Apr 14 08:07 |
| leah | jasmine/green/mint tea is better | Apr 14 08:07 |
| leah | (without milk) | Apr 14 08:07 |
| *schestowitz-TR goes to make a teapot | Apr 14 08:08 | |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: i'm considering reviving my cooking blog | Apr 14 08:08 |
| leah | i used to have a cooking section on my blog | Apr 14 08:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | "cooking with jasmine" | Apr 14 08:08 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: i've been experimenting ever since living costs went up recently | Apr 14 08:08 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: for the past 2 weeks, i've been spending Β£0.50 to about Β£0.80 on food daily | Apr 14 08:08 |
| leah | and eating 3 very decent meals daily | Apr 14 08:08 |
| leah | at my local morrisons, if you go there at certain times in the day, you get stuff for pennies, close to expiry | Apr 14 08:09 |
| matey | close to expiry is great | Apr 14 08:09 |
| leah | so i just go there every day. and usually spend less than Β£1 for the whole day's worth of food | Apr 14 08:09 |
| leah | (rice/oats purchased fortnightly) | Apr 14 08:10 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: and i haven't lost weight | Apr 14 08:10 |
| leah | and i'm eating well | Apr 14 08:10 |
| leah | gonna do a cooking blog, but it'll be named: | Apr 14 08:10 |
| leah | How to eat for Β£1 a day | Apr 14 08:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | wow, without bargsins? | Apr 14 08:11 |
| leah | no, bargains | Apr 14 08:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | [08:09] <leah> at my local morrisons, if you go there at certain times in the day, you get stuff for pennies, close to expiry | Apr 14 08:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | That's what we do | Apr 14 08:11 |
| leah | i've eaten nothing but reduced items for 2 weeks | Apr 14 08:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, under a pound a day is doable | Apr 14 08:11 |
| leah | got a freezer full of bread | Apr 14 08:12 |
| leah | lol | Apr 14 08:12 |
| leah | big loafs for Β£0.06 | Apr 14 08:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | but wait, some stuff you cannot get discounted, coffee for example.. | Apr 14 08:12 |
| leah | yeah | Apr 14 08:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's what aldi is for | Apr 14 08:12 |
| leah | big Β£3 jar will last you a month though | Apr 14 08:12 |
| leah | 2 weeks if you drink it heavily | Apr 14 08:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | moi? no | Apr 14 08:13 |
| leah | yeah well | Apr 14 08:13 |
| leah | gonna get solar installed here | Apr 14 08:13 |
| matey | tea i get is about the same price, lasts 3 months (asian variety, just leaves no bags) | Apr 14 08:14 |
| leah | because fuck paying Β£200 a month on electricity | Apr 14 08:14 |
| techrights-news | "Periodically, we get a glimpse into the financial lives of the ultrarich. A pro athlete signs a huge contract, a tech CEO sells a boatload of shares in their company..." β https://www.propublica.org/article/americas-top-15-earners-and-what-they-reveal-about-the-us-tax-system | Source: Pro Publica takes bribes from bill gates though | Apr 14 08:14 |
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| leah | i use a lot of electricity | Apr 14 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | computers? | Apr 14 08:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | we have 8 turned on all the time | Apr 14 08:15 |
| matey | and equipment | Apr 14 08:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | and bill for two, gas inc., under 100 a month | Apr 14 08:15 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: what are they running though | Apr 14 08:15 |
| leah | my computers are regularly running stuff | Apr 14 08:15 |
| *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) | Apr 14 08:15 | |
| matey | /me wonders how much juice leahs soldering iron goes through in a month | Apr 14 08:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | leah: mostly idle | Apr 14 08:15 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: depending on your tariff though, they still charge you daily, even if you don't use anything | Apr 14 08:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes | Apr 14 08:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's a trick | Apr 14 08:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | like ISPs with line rental | Apr 14 08:16 |
| leah | yep | Apr 14 08:17 |
| matey | /me is glad it didnt work out with the one in the uk | Apr 14 08:17 |
| leah | so even with solar panels, you still pay some monies for electricity | Apr 14 08:17 |
| leah | even if you never dip into mains | Apr 14 08:17 |
| leah | one 4k panel will power an average home | Apr 14 08:17 |
| leah | including at night (battery backup wired into the panel's supply) | Apr 14 08:17 |
| leah | you can get money back for energy you don't use though, that gets fed back into the grid | Apr 14 08:18 |
| matey | pay your tarrif with it | Apr 14 08:18 |
| leah | (if you have solar) | Apr 14 08:18 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: if you don't have kids and are single, living can be very cheap | Apr 14 08:19 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: the only reason i live by myself is because i run a business here | Apr 14 08:19 |
| leah | if i didn't have minifree, i'd go into a shared accomodation | Apr 14 08:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | couple without kids is cheaper than single | Apr 14 08:19 |
| leah | me and like 5 other people. sharing a house | Apr 14 08:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | assuming both work | Apr 14 08:19 |
| leah | we'd all just split costs | Apr 14 08:19 |
| leah | this is an unpopular opinion but it is a fact also: you can live for <Β£300 a month in the UK | Apr 14 08:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | true | Apr 14 08:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | I calculated this before | Apr 14 08:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | if you share Internet also | Apr 14 08:20 |
| leah | yes, shared costs | Apr 14 08:21 |
| leah | communal living | Apr 14 08:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | that used to be the norm | Apr 14 08:21 |
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| schestowitz-TR | here in manchester library they have exhibits re old houses | Apr 14 08:21 |
| leah | if i didn't have minifree, i'd only need a suitcase with clothes, and my laptop and phone | Apr 14 08:21 |
| leah | and then i'd live in a commune | Apr 14 08:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | and how families would share a lot in common buildings | Apr 14 08:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | like a flood or room per >family< | Apr 14 08:22 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: i spend more on coffee and toothpaste than food lol | Apr 14 08:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | leah: nomad like is very rms-like | Apr 14 08:22 |
| leah | there's a problem though, and it's not my problem, but: | Apr 14 08:23 |
| leah | if everyone does what i do, then it would be impossible | Apr 14 08:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I figured a long time ago that part of stability is minimising the reqs | Apr 14 08:23 |
| leah | the way i live depends on others being wasteful | Apr 14 08:23 |
| leah | so i'm not really being efficient | Apr 14 08:23 |
| leah | i'm just exploiting other people's greed | Apr 14 08:23 |
| matey | <leah> i'm just exploiting other people's greed <- if everyone did what you did, it would work even better | Apr 14 08:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | many geeks exploit misconrehension of tech | Apr 14 08:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | and charge people a lot for very very simple tasks | Apr 14 08:24 |
| leah | like flashing coreboot on a chip? | Apr 14 08:24 |
| leah | :P | Apr 14 08:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | if you have practice | Apr 14 08:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | like people paying lawyers | Apr 14 08:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | to do very simple things | Apr 14 08:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | but do they 'right' | Apr 14 08:24 |
| leah | speaking of lawyers | Apr 14 08:24 |
| leah | i read an interesting article in the guardian the other day | Apr 14 08:24 |
| leah | let me pull it up | Apr 14 08:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | *them 'right | Apr 14 08:24 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/12/barristers-striking-justice-system-legal-aid | Apr 14 08:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | βUnnecessary and irresponsibleβ? No β barristers are striking because justice is being denied | The Secret Barrister | The Guardian | Apr 14 08:25 | |
| matey | strikes are very popylar right now | Apr 14 08:25 |
| SomeH4x0r | someone send me this link on another channel: | Apr 14 08:25 |
| SomeH4x0r | *sent | Apr 14 08:25 |
| leah | this is from a public defense lawyer | Apr 14 08:25 |
| SomeH4x0r | https://i0.wp.com/onlymyenglish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/What-is-a-Preposition-min.png?fit=850%2C600&ssl=1 | Apr 14 08:25 |
| leah | well, here in UK call it legal aid solicitor | Apr 14 08:25 |
| SomeH4x0r | the direct link is https://onlymyenglish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/What-is-a-Preposition-min.png | Apr 14 08:25 |
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| leah | right now if you're in the UK, you can't get legal aid easily | Apr 14 08:26 |
| leah | you have to pay for a private lawyer | Apr 14 08:26 |
| SomeH4x0r | so, another "alternative" for avoiding Cloudflare | Apr 14 08:26 |
| SomeH4x0r | schestowitz-TR: ^? | Apr 14 08:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | it can be uploaded somewhere | Apr 14 08:26 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: btw, i think the tories are going to elect a new leader in the summer | Apr 14 08:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | but many image cds use clownflare | Apr 14 08:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | clownflare loses money | Apr 14 08:27 |
| leah | probably liz truss | Apr 14 08:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | it operates at a loss to give incentive to people to enter the jail | Apr 14 08:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | same as youtube in past years | Apr 14 08:27 |
| leah | ok, coffee is consumed | Apr 14 08:27 |
| leah | time to get to work | Apr 14 08:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | we wrote about liz truss | Apr 14 08:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | hang on.. | Apr 14 08:27 |
| leah | i actually think she's the least evil of them. her policy about trans people is very troubling, though | Apr 14 08:28 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/05/23/evangelos-chatzikos-and-richard-arnold/ | Apr 14 08:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOβs War on Justice and Assault on the Law β Part 17: The External Members: Evangelos Chatzikos and Richard Arnold | Techrights | Apr 14 08:28 | |
| schestowitz | in relation to the protests | Apr 14 08:28 |
| leah | schestowitz: she's the best person to lead the tories though, if they want to win the next general election | Apr 14 08:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | she seems ok | Apr 14 08:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | we wrote good things about her | Apr 14 08:29 |
| leah | if boris is still leader at that time, labour will win | Apr 14 08:29 |
| SomeH4x0r | it seems it *does* work with other stuff, though only certain file extensions | Apr 14 08:29 |
| SomeH4x0r | e.g. no SVG | Apr 14 08:29 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: and i actually don't want a labour government | Apr 14 08:29 |
| leah | right now, under current climate, they'd actually be worse | Apr 14 08:30 |
| matey | labour is avoiding a labour government too | Apr 14 08:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | the party isn't the only factor | Apr 14 08:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the system | Apr 14 08:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | [22:45] <techrights-news> 651 COVID-19 Deaths Reported in the UK Today (63.4% Increase This Past Week Alone) http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/04/13/covid19-death-toll/ | Apr 14 08:30 |
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| schestowitz-TR | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/category/health/ | Apr 14 08:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Β» Health | Apr 14 08:31 | |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: labour would actually cause me to have less money per month. no more. less | Apr 14 08:31 |
| leah | but the current tories are bastards | Apr 14 08:31 |
| leah | i want a moderate (e.g. liz truss) to lead it, and for them to better fund public services | Apr 14 08:31 |
| matey | tories are like wal mart | Apr 14 08:31 |
| matey | low prices. they just take it out of something else. | Apr 14 08:32 |
| leah | i'd support a more moderate tory government | Apr 14 08:32 |
| leah | the one we have right now is hard-right authoritarian garbage | Apr 14 08:32 |
| leah | a more libertarian-style tory party would be ideal | Apr 14 08:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | borisnaro might be remembered as worse than theresa may | Apr 14 08:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | since he took power we've been barely keeping the basic right | Apr 14 08:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | on all fronts | Apr 14 08:33 |
| leah | i'd vote for them, depending who they have in charge | Apr 14 08:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | local election coming | Apr 14 08:34 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: but that depends on a lot of ifs | Apr 14 08:34 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: i'm boycotting it | Apr 14 08:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | I just help greens here | Apr 14 08:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | where I live tories get fewer votes than greens | Apr 14 08:34 |
| leah | yeah don't you have a labour mayor there? | Apr 14 08:34 |
| leah | up in manchester | Apr 14 08:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | my area of it | Apr 14 08:34 |
| matey | SomeH4x0r <- i dont follow what the difference between the two links is supposed to be | Apr 14 08:35 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: ever since corbyn's labour fell apart, i abandoned leftwing politics | Apr 14 08:35 |
| leah | i only respected labour when corbyn was in charge | Apr 14 08:35 |
| leah | right now, they're no different than the tories | Apr 14 08:35 |
| matey | thats true mostly | Apr 14 08:35 |
| leah | but at least the tories are honest about who they are and what they stand for | Apr 14 08:36 |
| SomeH4x0r | matey: one link is Cloudflare, the other link is an image proxy | Apr 14 08:36 |
| matey | oh a proxy | Apr 14 08:36 |
| matey | ok cool | Apr 14 08:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | leah: ok, i worried that you hated corbyn | Apr 14 08:36 |
| SomeH4x0r | it seems it only works on certain file extensions though | Apr 14 08:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | what they did to corbyn has a lot in common with the anti-rms uprising | Apr 14 08:36 |
| matey | maybe its by mime type | Apr 14 08:37 |
| matey | svg is text | Apr 14 08:37 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: i do hate corbyn. what he stands for. he would have been a disaster. but i respect him, because he was honest and no-nonsense about everything | Apr 14 08:37 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: theresa may and priti patel are the main cause of the current authoritarian streak in the conservative government | Apr 14 08:37 |
| leah | two really bad home secretaries, enacting draconian laws limiting our freedoms | Apr 14 08:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | so you want liz? | Apr 14 08:38 |
| leah | i'd argue that the two individuals mentioned are fascists. not tories | Apr 14 08:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | i'm all in favour btw | Apr 14 08:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | from what I've read of her | Apr 14 08:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | I met may in person more than 20 years ago | Apr 14 08:38 |
| leah | she's a moderate. liz i mean | Apr 14 08:38 |
| leah | she's on the moderate wing of the party | Apr 14 08:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | well, if they respect and grasp justice, that's a start | Apr 14 08:39 |
| leah | i'm not 100% comfortable with her though because of her policy about trans people | Apr 14 08:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | many authoritarians come from business schools | Apr 14 08:39 |
| leah | she's opposed to trans teens getting access to care | Apr 14 08:39 |
| leah | she thinks you should be at least 16 to get puberty blockers, for instance | Apr 14 08:39 |
| SomeH4x0r | just never have children | Apr 14 08:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | or a lot fewer | Apr 14 08:40 |
| leah | but. i don't think she comes from a position of hatred, just ignorance | Apr 14 08:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | we need SOME children | Apr 14 08:40 |
| SomeH4x0r | why? | Apr 14 08:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | extinction | Apr 14 08:40 |
| leah | and i think she could be convinced. with a robust campaign from the trans community | Apr 14 08:40 |
| SomeH4x0r | why not? | Apr 14 08:40 |
| matey | patel is a monster | Apr 14 08:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | SomeH4x0r: ask MinceR | Apr 14 08:41 |
| leah | matey: want me to make you hate patel even more? | Apr 14 08:41 |
| matey | why not | Apr 14 08:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe the cats will want to keep some species of humans in a zoo | Apr 14 08:41 |
| leah | matey: priti patel used to be a lobbyist for tobacco companies | Apr 14 08:41 |
| matey | heh | Apr 14 08:41 |
| SomeH4x0r | children are slaves of the parents. This system needs to be abolished or there will always be such annoyances. | Apr 14 08:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | that''s your personal experience | Apr 14 08:42 |
| matey | children are slaves of the parents. This system needs to be abolished <- doable | Apr 14 08:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | i helped my parents voluntarily | Apr 14 08:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | some suggested letting the state take over the kids | Apr 14 08:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'm not sure i condone this | Apr 14 08:42 |
| SomeH4x0r | a siren | Apr 14 08:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | many parents ay least love their kids | Apr 14 08:42 |
| matey | the state isnt really the answer | Apr 14 08:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | states are instrument of the powerful | Apr 14 08:42 |
| matey | take care SomeH4x0r | Apr 14 08:42 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: but yes, aside from her policy about trans teenagers, i think liz truss would make a great prime minister | Apr 14 08:43 |
| matey | states are instrument of the powerful <- true | Apr 14 08:43 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: kier starmer would be terrible in no10 | Apr 14 08:43 |
| matey | leah: do you get a lot of shit from fellow trans activists for this stance? | Apr 14 08:43 |
| leah | matey: yes | Apr 14 08:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | SomeH4x0r: sad to hear | Apr 14 08:43 |
| leah | i've been blocked on twitter, many times | Apr 14 08:43 |
| leah | it's why i avoid being political on twitter nowadays | Apr 14 08:43 |
| leah | i'm in an extreme minority: | Apr 14 08:44 |
| leah | > non-binary | Apr 14 08:44 |
| leah | > asexual | Apr 14 08:44 |
| leah | > conservative views | Apr 14 08:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | leave twitter | Apr 14 08:44 |
| leah | most of my kind are leftie | Apr 14 08:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's BS | Apr 14 08:44 |
| matey | yep, youre fucked | Apr 14 08:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | and getting worse | Apr 14 08:44 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: i promote my company there | Apr 14 08:44 |
| leah | i don't use it for social purposes | Apr 14 08:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | there may be better ways to promote the company | Apr 14 08:45 |
| leah | matey: conservative lgbt activists do exist in number, though | Apr 14 08:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | with same effort levels | Apr 14 08:45 |
| matey | oh yeah | Apr 14 08:45 |
| leah | matey: did you know the conservative party has more openly lgbt MPs than labour? | Apr 14 08:45 |
| leah | it has *more* | Apr 14 08:45 |
| matey | former libertarian. we still get along. | Apr 14 08:45 |
| leah | 26 at present | Apr 14 08:45 |
| leah | 22 in labour | Apr 14 08:45 |
| leah | matey: also: | Apr 14 08:45 |
| leah | https://www.lgbtconservatives.org.uk/ | Apr 14 08:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lgbtconservatives.org.uk | LGBT+ Conservatives | | Apr 14 08:45 | |
| matey | matey: did you know the conservative party has more openly lgbt MPs than labour? <- labour is a fucking farce right now | Apr 14 08:45 |
| leah | it's a thing | Apr 14 08:46 |
| matey | so it doesnt surprise me | Apr 14 08:46 |
| leah | matey: also, TERF / gender-critical crowd has a stronger presence in labour than in the tory party | Apr 14 08:46 |
| matey | the world is usually more interesting than one persons views after all | Apr 14 08:46 |
| leah | i actually think a labour government would be worse for trans people | Apr 14 08:46 |
| leah | *worse* | Apr 14 08:46 |
| leah | lol | Apr 14 08:46 |
| matey | matey: also, TERF / gender-critical crowd <- yeah, nina paley makes me sad | Apr 14 08:46 |
| matey | i used to buy her stuff | Apr 14 08:47 |
| leah | that's why | Apr 14 08:48 |
| leah | on balance | Apr 14 08:48 |
| leah | i think a tory government lead by liz truss is the best thing right now | Apr 14 08:48 |
| techrights-news | "We speak with Starbucks Workers United organizer and barista Jaz Brisack on the growing Starbucks union drive that has swept across 30 U.S. states since she helped successfully organize" β https://www.democracynow.org/2022/4/13/starbucks_workers_united_unionizing_union_drive | Source: Democracy Now | Apr 14 08:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | 200 Starbucks & Counting: Barista Jaz Brisack Says Union Busting Canβt Stop Worker Solidarity | Democracy Now! | Apr 14 08:48 | |
| leah | her views come from ignorance, not hatred, and i think she could be turned. with a rigorous campaign from lgbt activists | Apr 14 08:48 |
| leah | i distinguish our adversaries like that. i put them in two groups: | Apr 14 08:49 |
| leah | * ignorance-based | Apr 14 08:49 |
| leah | * hate-based | Apr 14 08:49 |
| matey | either way, one would think that being trans doesnt mean giving up your right to a political opinion of your own, eh? | Apr 14 08:49 |
| leah | hate-based is people like boris johnson and jacob rees mog | Apr 14 08:49 |
| leah | ignorance-based is people like david cameron and liz truss | Apr 14 08:49 |
| matey | her views come from ignorance, not hatred, and i think she could be turned <- good stuff | Apr 14 08:49 |
| techrights-news | "The term βneoliberalismβ is often used to condemn an array of economic policies associated with such ideas as deregulation, trickle-down economics, austerity, free markets, free trade" β https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neoliberalism-gary-gerstle/ | Source: The Nation | Apr 14 08:49 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: thenation.com | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neoliberalism-gary-gerstle/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neoliberalism-gary-gerstle/ | Apr 14 08:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Has Neoliberalism Really Come to an End? | The Nation | Apr 14 08:49 | |
| leah | and what you have to realize is: | Apr 14 08:49 |
| leah | the person in charge is more exposed to many groups of people | Apr 14 08:50 |
| leah | trying to convince the current tory leadership to support us is folly | Apr 14 08:50 |
| mjg59_ | leah: Has the party ever apologised for section 28? | Apr 14 08:50 |
| leah | that's why i want them to have more moderate leadership, that's more likely to listen to us | Apr 14 08:50 |
| leah | mjg59_: not that i'm aware | Apr 14 08:50 |
| leah | actually | Apr 14 08:51 |
| leah | mjg59_: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/jul/02/david-cameron-gay-pride-apology | Apr 14 08:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | David Cameron apologises to gay people for section 28 | David Cameron | The Guardian | Apr 14 08:51 | |
| techrights-news | "A bit over 40 years ago the UK and the United Statesβfollowed within a few years by most of the rest of western Europeβembarked on a radical experiment in governance and economics" β https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/13/autocrats-trump-putin-and-le-pen-exploit-failures-neoliberalism | Source: Common Dreams | Apr 14 08:51 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: commondreams.org | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/13/autocrats-trump-putin-and-le-pen-exploit-failures-neoliberalism https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/13/autocrats-trump-putin-and-le-pen-exploit-failures-neoliberalism | Apr 14 08:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Autocrats Like Trump, Putin, and Le Pen Exploit Failures of Neoliberalism | Thom Hartmann | Apr 14 08:51 | |
| leah | mjg59_: our history is weird like that though: | Apr 14 08:51 |
| leah | > tories oppose rights of an oppressed group | Apr 14 08:51 |
| mjg59_ | Oh gosh I missed that | Apr 14 08:51 |
| leah | > left/liberal forces liberate us | Apr 14 08:51 |
| leah | > former oppressed group becomes first of former oppressed group to become leader... and it's a conservative | Apr 14 08:52 |
| leah | tories have had 2 female prime ministers lol | Apr 14 08:52 |
| leah | mjg59_: cameron also supported marriage equality | Apr 14 08:53 |
| leah | and one of his ministers came out as gay during his time in office, and he congratulated her | Apr 14 08:53 |
| leah | (justine greening) | Apr 14 08:53 |
| leah | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justine_Greening | Apr 14 08:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Justine Greening - Wikipedia | Apr 14 08:53 | |
| mjg59_ | Yeah with hindsight various aspects of his social policy were not as bad as I'd expected them to be | Apr 14 08:53 |
| techrights-news | IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, April 13, 2022 | Techrights β http://techrights.org/2022/04/14/irc-log-130422/ | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/14/irc-log-130422/ | Apr 14 08:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, April 13, 2022 | Techrights | Apr 14 08:54 | |
| leah | mjg59_: labour under corbyn would have been great for lgbt people, if it came to power | Apr 14 08:54 |
| leah | but starmer is a bastard | Apr 14 08:54 |
| leah | a coward | Apr 14 08:54 |
| mjg59_ | Oh yeah fuck that dude | Apr 14 08:54 |
| leah | being dogged left and right by terfs. and he's giving in to them | Apr 14 08:54 |
| leah | boris is a bastard too | Apr 14 08:54 |
| mjg59_ | Utterly unprincipled | Apr 14 08:54 |
| matey | starmer is a bastard <- yes | Apr 14 08:54 |
| leah | i want liz truss to be next tory leader - and i predict she will | Apr 14 08:54 |
| leah | mjg59_: current tory leadership chaos will end. tories are good at that | Apr 14 08:54 |
| leah | they have a "system" | Apr 14 08:54 |
| leah | when a leader goes foul, they chuck that leader | Apr 14 08:55 |
| leah | i predict a leadership contest in the summer. and i think liz truss will win | Apr 14 08:55 |
| mjg59_ | Yeah the observation that being brutal at throwing out leaders is beneficial for elections is fascinating | Apr 14 08:55 |
| leah | mjg59_: there's a group within the tories called Conservative Home that regularly does polls among party members | Apr 14 08:55 |
| leah | and their most recent poll around party leadership revealed that liz truss is a favourite among members of the party | Apr 14 08:55 |
| leah | and looking at her speeches, the way she conducts herself, i think she'd be effective | Apr 14 08:56 |
| mjg59_ | But it's also notable that bad press against potential Boris opponents has tended to show up shortly before bad Boris news | Apr 14 08:56 |
| techrights-news | "Many of us have read about Stirling engines, engines which form mechanical heat pumps and derive motion from the expansion and contraction of a body of air." β https://hackaday.com/2022/04/13/home-made-stirling-engines-from-expedient-materials/ | Source: Hackaday | Apr 14 08:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Home Made Stirling Engines From Expedient Materials | Hackaday | Apr 14 08:56 | |
| techrights-news | "We are used to dealing with warping when printing with thermoplastics like ABS, but metal printers suffer from this problem, too." β https://hackaday.com/2022/04/13/reducing-warping-in-metal-3d-prints/ | Source: Hackaday | Apr 14 08:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Reducing Warping In Metal 3D Prints | Hackaday | Apr 14 08:56 | |
| leah | mjg59_: the tory party is a well-oiled machine, optimized for winning elections | Apr 14 08:56 |
| leah | boris will be out by the end of the summer. i predict it | Apr 14 08:56 |
| leah | his time is over | Apr 14 08:56 |
| leah | because of the partygate stuff | Apr 14 08:56 |
| mjg59_ | Yeah as a political engine they're very effective | Apr 14 08:57 |
| mjg59_ | I'll admit that while hating basically 100% of what they stand for politically | Apr 14 08:57 |
| leah | mjg59_: but the only one i support to replace him is liz truss | Apr 14 08:57 |
| leah | moderate tories are alright. they're the kind of people that are at least somewhat compassionate about others | Apr 14 08:58 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | β IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ββββ βββββ ββ β β ββββββ βββ βββββ ββββββββ avg(k/sec) 21.38 β IPFS upstream: βββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββββ avg(k/sec) 49.11β swarm size (avg): 315.96 β² | Apr 14 08:59 |
| leah | anyway | Apr 14 08:59 |
| leah | mjg59_: you might find this amusing: | Apr 14 09:00 |
| mjg59_ | The problem there is that Starmer has basically positioned Labour as the compassionate tory part | Apr 14 09:00 |
| leah | ghttps://twitter.com/justinegreening/status/746697259736268800?lang=en | Apr 14 09:00 |
| leah | https://twitter.com/justinegreening/status/746697259736268800?lang=en | Apr 14 09:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JustineGreening: Today's a good day to say I'm in a happy same sex relationship, I campaigned for Stronger In but sometimes you're better off out! #Pride2016 | Apr 14 09:00 | |
| mjg59_ | Ha | Apr 14 09:01 |
| leah | mjg59_: starmer is a bastard | Apr 14 09:01 |
| leah | the blairite wing of the labour party is in power again | Apr 14 09:01 |
| leah | in power of the labour party, that is | Apr 14 09:01 |
| leah | they're currently stifling free speech within the party, silencing leftwing parts of it | Apr 14 09:02 |
| mjg59_ | Urgh if only John Smith hadn't died | Apr 14 09:02 |
| leah | they threw out corbyn for example | Apr 14 09:02 |
| leah | the anti-semite stuff was a smear campaign imo | Apr 14 09:02 |
| leah | that, plus getting corbyn to back 2nd EU referendum | Apr 14 09:03 |
| leah | he was doomed lol | Apr 14 09:03 |
| leah | the old adage about the left eating its own ass | Apr 14 09:03 |
| leah | it always comes true | Apr 14 09:03 |
| leah | mjg59_: i respect people who are honest about who they are and what they stand for, even if i disagree with them | Apr 14 09:04 |
| leah | so i would have respected a labour government under corbyn | Apr 14 09:04 |
| leah | but i would have hated it | Apr 14 09:04 |
| leah | similarly, tory government under liz truss would be respectable imo. for the same reason | Apr 14 09:04 |
| techrights-news | "News reports were everywhere that an autonomous taxi operated by a company called Cruise was driving through San Francisco with no headlights." β https://hackaday.com/2022/04/13/does-your-programmer-know-how-fast-you-were-going/ | Source: Hackaday | Apr 14 09:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Does Your Programmer Know How Fast You Were Going? | Hackaday | Apr 14 09:04 | |
| leah | i respect someone who stands up and says what they believe in, and then fights for that | Apr 14 09:05 |
| matey | the real goal of the labour party is a socialist europe | Apr 14 09:05 |
| leah | boris on the other hand, doesn't believe in anything. he just wants power | Apr 14 09:05 |
| matey | but certainly not under blair and his fakes | Apr 14 09:05 |
| techrights-news | "With conflicts raging over masks, books, and curriculums in the nation's public schools, you'd be forgiven for missing a noteworthy new proposal from the U.S. Department of Education." β https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/13/federal-spending-charter-schools-needs-reform | Source: Common Dreams | Apr 14 09:05 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: commondreams.org | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/13/federal-spending-charter-schools-needs-reform https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/13/federal-spending-charter-schools-needs-reform | Apr 14 09:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Federal Spending on Charter Schools Needs Reform | Jeremy Mohler | Apr 14 09:05 | |
| leah | capitalism but with well-funded schools, hospitals, welfare state and justice system | Apr 14 09:06 |
| leah | that's what i want | Apr 14 09:06 |
| matey | why capitalism then? | Apr 14 09:06 |
| leah | when something is a natural monopoly, it better be run by the state | Apr 14 09:06 |
| matey | if you want the other bits | Apr 14 09:06 |
| leah | matey: see: natural monopolies | Apr 14 09:06 |
| leah | if something inevitably will become a monopoly, the state should run it, as efficiently as possible, free at the point of use, funded by tax | Apr 14 09:06 |
| matey | interesting | Apr 14 09:07 |
| leah | so, hospitals for example | Apr 14 09:07 |
| leah | matey: but that's only very few things | Apr 14 09:07 |
| leah | almost everything else imo is fair game | Apr 14 09:07 |
| leah | i don't support socialism | Apr 14 09:07 |
| leah | i used to. but i became disillusioned when i actually met real socialists | Apr 14 09:07 |
| leah | i saw into their hearts and saw what they were | Apr 14 09:07 |
| leah | control freaks | Apr 14 09:07 |
| matey | <- socialist with a libertarian streak | Apr 14 09:08 |
| matey | used to be the other way around | Apr 14 09:08 |
| leah | that's what socialism is. an ideology that says "for the people, by the people" but what that means in practise is an authoritarian prick telling you how much money you're allowed to make | Apr 14 09:08 |
| matey | but what that means in practise <- yes that happens, its shit | Apr 14 09:08 |
| leah | so i say: capitalism but with decently funded public services | Apr 14 09:08 |
| leah | and | Apr 14 09:08 |
| leah | basically | Apr 14 09:08 |
| leah | that's the conservative party | Apr 14 09:09 |
| leah | but i'd never vote for them in their current form. the hard-right run it | Apr 14 09:09 |
| leah | taken too far, capitalism is also bad | Apr 14 09:09 |
| leah | my views sit somewhere between the liberal democrats and the moderate wing of the conservative party | Apr 14 09:09 |
| leah | when you think about it, capitalism is the greatest thing ever. but we also have things like nhs, welfare state etc that are also good | Apr 14 09:10 |
| leah | look at countries that have done socialism, or are currently doing it | Apr 14 09:10 |
| matey | when you think about it, capitalism is the greatest thing ever <- its a step forward from feudalism | Apr 14 09:10 |
| leah | they're all poor. their people are starving | Apr 14 09:10 |
| matey | a lot of them were inspired by stalin | Apr 14 09:11 |
| matey | stalin was EXCELLENT at starving and murdering people | Apr 14 09:11 |
| leah | under capitalism, only a few people are poor. the rest are fine. and you protect the lowest in society with welfare | Apr 14 09:11 |
| leah | i do support the existence of a well-funded welfare state | Apr 14 09:11 |
| leah | and the current tory party is ideologically gutting it, for like, no reason other than sadism | Apr 14 09:11 |
| leah | tories in the 90s were much better. under john major's government | Apr 14 09:12 |
| leah | welfare was actually well-funded | Apr 14 09:12 |
| matey | under capitalism, only a few people are poor <- im far too interested in your tech work to get in a big debate about poltics but i think this is the flaw in your logic | Apr 14 09:12 |
| leah | the unemployed had support | Apr 14 09:12 |
| leah | (the blair government did increase payouts though) | Apr 14 09:12 |
| matey | blair was a mess | Apr 14 09:12 |
| techrights-news | Patents killing millions fopr profit β https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/13/rich-nations-big-pharma-still-blocking-early-exit-pandemic-experts | Source: Common Dreams | Apr 14 09:12 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: commondreams.org | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/13/rich-nations-big-pharma-still-blocking-early-exit-pandemic-experts https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/13/rich-nations-big-pharma-still-blocking-early-exit-pandemic-experts | Apr 14 09:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Rich Nations, Big Pharma Still Blocking 'Early Exit' From Pandemic: Experts | Apr 14 09:12 | |
| matey | i was close friends with someone who worked for him | Apr 14 09:13 |
| leah | pre-iraq pre-afghanistan, blair was alright | Apr 14 09:13 |
| leah | he was basically liberal | Apr 14 09:13 |
| leah | liberals are ok | Apr 14 09:13 |
| leah | liberal or moderate conservative is ideal | Apr 14 09:13 |
| leah | matey: but he was in charge of a party with lots of socialists in it :P | Apr 14 09:13 |
| leah | so he got dragged a bit | Apr 14 09:14 |
| matey | well i use the term "left opportunists" a lot | Apr 14 09:14 |
| matey | im not sure you believe theres a difference between the left and left opportunists. and i can appreciate why anyone might feel that way, having been there many times myself | Apr 14 09:14 |
| matey | but the people youre complaining about are left opportunists anyway | Apr 14 09:14 |
| leah | ok, define left opportunist | Apr 14 09:14 |
| matey | one might say "fake left" | Apr 14 09:14 |
| techrights-news | EFF still not sure if it likes censorship ("misinformation") or not. EFF should urge people to abandon social control media. It would solve many problems. β https://www.eff.org/press/releases/human-rights-groups-urge-social-media-platforms-better-protect-free-flow-information | Source: EFF | Apr 14 09:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Civil Liberties Groups Urge Social Media Platforms to Better Protect Free Flow of Information in Crisis Zones | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Apr 14 09:15 | |
| matey | well an opportunist is someone who doesnt really give a shit about the cause | Apr 14 09:15 |
| leah | i assume you mean people like liz kendall | Apr 14 09:15 |
| matey | but just rides it for their own personal reasons | Apr 14 09:15 |
| matey | i mean i dont follow most of the people in uk politics at the moment, its barely even a hobby | Apr 14 09:15 |
| leah | are you in the uk? | Apr 14 09:15 |
| matey | i get exposed to bits and pieces of it | Apr 14 09:15 |
| matey | not anymore | Apr 14 09:15 |
| leah | ok | Apr 14 09:15 |
| techrights-news | Social control media is no sacred cow. It's not social. It's not media. We need REAL media back. | Apr 14 09:15 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: at least elon musk isn't joining the board ;) | Apr 14 09:16 |
| leah | though he does have a stake in twitter | Apr 14 09:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | doesn't matter | Apr 14 09:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | twitter is bought and paid for | Apr 14 09:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's a tool of occupation | Apr 14 09:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | and it's about time to jump ship | Apr 14 09:16 |
| matey | /me predicted musks stake in twitter | Apr 14 09:16 |
| matey | roy said it would collapse, i said it would become a vanity project | Apr 14 09:17 |
| leah | mastodon then | Apr 14 09:17 |
| leah | run your own mastodon server | Apr 14 09:17 |
| matey | roy will still be right eventually | Apr 14 09:17 |
| leah | anyway | Apr 14 09:17 |
| leah | if i'm right, and the tories elect liz truss as their new leader | Apr 14 09:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | twitter is the next "truth social"| | Apr 14 09:17 |
| leah | i will be voting for them | Apr 14 09:17 |
| leah | in the next election | Apr 14 09:17 |
| leah | fuck labour | Apr 14 09:18 |
| leah | but if they don't, and the current hard-right administration remains in place, | Apr 14 09:18 |
| leah | then i simply won't vote | Apr 14 09:18 |
| techrights-news | "For several years the Identity Project has been engaging with the Port of Seattle over its expansion of automated facial recognition to track travelers at Sea-Tac Airport" β https://papersplease.org/wp/2022/04/12/signage-at-new-sea-tac-terminal-flunks-legal-test/ | Source: Papers Please | Apr 14 09:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-papersplease.org | Facial recognition signage at new Sea-Tac terminal flunks legal test β Papers, Please! | Apr 14 09:19 | |
| leah | mjg59_: tories are holding off for now, because council elections are next month. leadership contest right now would hurt their results | Apr 14 09:20 |
| leah | but they also know they'll suffer next month regardless. boris is finished | Apr 14 09:21 |
| matey | couldnt happen to a nicer fellow | Apr 14 09:21 |
| matey | at least he can get back to his buses | Apr 14 09:21 |
| leah | a few more partygate fines, and bad council election results: that will trigger enough discontent within the party, for MPs to write to 1922 committee | Apr 14 09:22 |
| leah | and then a leadership contest will be triggered. i predict that it will happen in the summer | Apr 14 09:22 |
| leah | (1922 committee is the committee that runs the tory party. the leader answers to it) | Apr 14 09:22 |
| leah | labour is fucked. whoever they elect will be more sober minded and serious | Apr 14 09:23 |
| leah | labour's only chance to win in 2024 is if boris is still the party leader | Apr 14 09:23 |
| mjg59_ | I'd love to think so, and also a lot of the MPs have shown themselves to be pretty craven | Apr 14 09:25 |
| mjg59_ | But if I'm wrong, I'll be happy! | Apr 14 09:25 |
| matey | /me is watching a video (on youtube) about a prototype version of the old testament which features in no small part a potentially homoerotic sun god | Apr 14 09:33 |
| techrights-news | Patents killing millions of people β https://truthout.org/articles/health-experts-covid-vaccine-inequity-is-still-endangering-millions-of-lives/ | Source: TruthOut | Apr 14 09:34 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: truthout.org | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/health-experts-covid-vaccine-inequity-is-still-endangering-millions-of-lives/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/health-experts-covid-vaccine-inequity-is-still-endangering-millions-of-lives/ | Apr 14 09:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Health Experts: COVID Vaccine Inequity Is Still Endangering Millions of Lives | Apr 14 09:34 | |
| matey | and its a harvard lecture by someone who has devoted a great deal of his career to the topic | Apr 14 09:34 |
| matey | i fucking love the internet | Apr 14 09:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | a shame as you will be heartbroken | Apr 14 09:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | i am not telling you this because you do not know | Apr 14 09:35 |
| schestowitz-TR | you know too well | Apr 14 09:35 |
| techrights-news | Proprietary Worlds and Open Alternatives gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-04-14-proprietary-worlds-and-open-alternatives.gmi | Apr 14 09:36 |
| matey | yes? | Apr 14 09:36 |
| techrights-news | Congratulations Apple! You made a laptop as annoying to use as Microsoft Windows gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/02/17.1 | Apr 14 09:37 |
| techrights-news | "The ideas that made Unix, hints for writing Unix tools, cron best practices, three different sorts of filesystem errors, LibreSSL 3.5.1 released, taskwarrior to manage tasks, and more." https://www.bsdnow.tv/450 | Apr 14 09:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bsdnow.tv | BSD Now 450: Unix Tool Writing | Apr 14 09:43 | |
| techrights-news | "Stuart Langridge, Jono Bacon, and special guest star Alan Pope present Bad Voltage, in which intelligence is artificial, snaps are un-ned, and art is what you make it" https://www.badvoltage.org/2022/04/14/3x44/ | Apr 14 09:44 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: badvoltage.org | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.badvoltage.org/2022/04/14/3x44/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.badvoltage.org/2022/04/14/3x44/ | Apr 14 09:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.badvoltage.org | 3Γ44: The Loch Dustbinness Monster | Bad Voltage | Apr 14 09:44 | |
| techrights-news | Audiocasts/Shows/Videos: Tidelift, TLLTS, BSD Now, and More β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163704 | Apr 14 09:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows/Videos: Tidelift, TLLTS, BSD Now, and More | Tux Machines | Apr 14 09:54 | |
| techrights-news | Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163705 | Apr 14 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 14 09:55 | |
| techrights-news | This is bollox. Bad advice. Gulag and the US government keeps ALL this data. https://www.maketecheasier.com/prevent-google-tracking-location/ | Apr 14 09:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Disable or Automatically Delete Google Location History - Make Tech Easier | Apr 14 09:58 | |
| techrights-news | "FOSS Linux" has just posted WSL trash. These sites need to understand that WSL is an ATTACK on GNU/Linux. It's hardly surprising that Microsoft booster promote this scheme to 'extinguish' GNU/Linux. | Apr 14 10:11 |
| techrights-news | "FOSS Linux", what has happened to you? https://www.fosslinux.com/49812/delete-a-discord-server.htm Discord cannot be deleted, the company keeps everything to possibly sell your data. Discord needs a boycott. | Apr 14 10:12 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: fosslinux.com | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.fosslinux.com/49812/delete-a-discord-server.htm https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.fosslinux.com/49812/delete-a-discord-server.htm | Apr 14 10:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslinux.com | How to delete a Discord server | FOSS Linux | Apr 14 10:12 | |
| SomeH4x0r | server? | Apr 14 10:15 |
| SomeH4x0r | fucking guild | Apr 14 10:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | yeah | Apr 14 10:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | words lose their maning | Apr 14 10:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | *meaning | Apr 14 10:16 |
| activelow | anyone remembers a case, when GNU and/or FSF enforced GPL copyleft? | Apr 14 10:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | slaveowners keep rebranding their slaves | Apr 14 10:16 |
| techrights-news | Microsoft TCO (or back doors TCO): "Microsoft has released an advisory to address CVE-2022-26809, a critical remote code execution vulnerability in Remote Procedure Call Runtime Library. A remote, unauthenticated attacker could exploit this vulnerability to take control of an affected system." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/13/microsoft-releases-advisory-address-critical-remote-code-execution | Apr 14 10:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | Microsoft Releases Advisory to Address Critical Remote Code Execution Vulnerability (CVE-2022-26809) | CISA | Apr 14 10:21 | |
| techrights-news | Windows TCO https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/13/apt-actors-target-icsscada-devices see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Stuxnet | Apr 14 10:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | APT Actors Target ICS/SCADA Devices | CISA | Apr 14 10:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Stuxnet - Techrights | Apr 14 10:22 | |
| techrights-news | Todayβs #HowTos | #UNIX β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163706 | Apr 14 10:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Apr 14 10:23 | |
| techrights-news | "Dark mode" has become a form of greenwashing. Just remember to buy another POS device every 3 years? | Apr 14 10:23 |
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| techrights-news | Microsoft, Microsoft, Adobe, Adobe, Adobe, Adobe, Adobe, Adobe, Kaseya (Windows)... https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/13/cisa-adds-10-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog | Apr 14 10:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | CISA Adds 10 Known Exploited Vulnerabilities to Catalog | CISA | Apr 14 10:27 | |
| schestowitz-TR | CISA must be run partly by Microsofters | Apr 14 10:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | They save face and shift attention to FOSS in a negative light quite a lot | Apr 14 10:28 |
| techrights-news | LoadingMessage component for Kirigami β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163707 | Apr 14 10:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LoadingMessage component for Kirigami | Tux Machines | Apr 14 10:29 | |
| techrights-news | Ubuntu Budgie 22.04 LTS - New Features and Release Details β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163708 | Apr 14 10:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Budgie 22.04 LTS - New Features and Release Details | Tux Machines | Apr 14 10:31 | |
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| DaemonFC | <mjg59_> I'd love to think so, and also a lot of the MPs have shown themselves to be pretty craven | Apr 14 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | It's politics, but the Democrat Party in the US is pretty bad. | Apr 14 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | We're dealing with a year's worth of inflation every month now and Biden is such an idiot he doesn't know how to fix it and such an asshole he doesn't even care. | Apr 14 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | They'd rather lose the election than do anything to help us. | Apr 14 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | Unless Donald Trump comes back, Biden is one term and done. | Apr 14 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | IF Trump comes back, it's a coin toss really. | Apr 14 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | People don't like either one of them but Trump polls ever so slightly worse. | Apr 14 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | https://votedanbrady.com/key-issues | Apr 14 11:14 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: votedanbrady.com | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://votedanbrady.com/key-issues https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://votedanbrady.com/key-issues | Apr 14 11:14 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-votedanbrady.com | Dan Brady - Positions on the Key Issues | Apr 14 11:14 | |
| DaemonFC | Vote Saxon | Apr 14 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | Anyway, yeah, the DMV is pretty horrible. The Currency Exchange gets away with charging more because they get you in and out faster, they never close, and you can get your car title transferred and plates on the car in the middle of the night if you have to. | Apr 14 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | https://wgntv.com/news/wgn-investigates/after-months-of-living-amid-roaches-and-rodents-cha-allows-mom-of-6-to-break-lease/ | Apr 14 11:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | After months of living amid roaches and rodents, CHA allows mom of 6 to break lease | WGN-TV | Apr 14 11:17 | |
| DaemonFC | Meanwhile, CHA leases space to Target and builds $1,800 a month micro apartments for hipsters. | Apr 14 11:18 |
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| techrights-news | 7 Best Free and Open Source Text-Based Git Clients β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163709 | Apr 14 11:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7 Best Free and Open Source Text-Based Git Clients | Tux Machines | Apr 14 11:26 | |
| techrights-news | Google #Android Leftovers β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163710 | Apr 14 11:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 14 11:26 | |
| techrights-news | Red Hat (ICBM) "The Great Resignation may be a myth or reality" says a collapsing company. They keep pushing this misleading spin or myth to blame the workers for getting laid off. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/4/artificial-intelligence-ai-7-key-roles | Apr 14 11:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | Artificial intelligence (AI): 7 roles to prioritize now | The Enterprisers Project | Apr 14 11:32 | |
| techrights-news | Ben Cotton: Balancing advancement and legacy https://funnelfiasco.com/blog/2022/04/13/balancing-advancement-and-legacy/ spin from ICBM http://techrights.org/2022/04/08/planned-obsolescence-ibm/ | Apr 14 11:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-funnelfiasco.com | Balancing advancement and legacy β Blog FiascoBlog Fiasco | Apr 14 11:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and Fedora: Stop Being Poor! Buy a New PC! | Techrights | Apr 14 11:33 | |
| techrights-news | [COPR] Why my patches are missing from custom build https://dingyichen.wordpress.com/2022/04/14/copr-why-my-patches-are-missing-from-custom-build/ | Apr 14 11:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dingyichen.wordpress.com | [COPR] Why my patches are missing from custom build | Definite's Extractor | Apr 14 11:34 | |
| techrights-news | "When you write source code, you're writing code for humans to read. Computers can't execute source code until the code is compiled into machine language, a generic term referring to any number of languages required by a specific machine." https://opensource.com/article/22/4/jvm-parameters-java-developers | Apr 14 11:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A guide to JVM parameters for Java developers | Opensource.com | Apr 14 11:35 | |
| techrights-news | My favorite build options for Go | β https://opensource.com/article/22/4/go-build-options δ· Source: FreeSW | RedHat | IBM | GNU | Linux | Apr 14 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-My favorite build options for Go | Opensource.com | Apr 14 11:36 | |
| techrights-news | "LINUX" is still a strong brand provided you don't add "Foundation" to it | Apr 14 11:38 |
| techrights-news | "Following The Qt Company's decision to withdraw support for the Russian market, KDAB's geolocation block of its website and Upwork stopping its operations in Russia, there's a likely need of Qt support in the country." http://www.mardy.it/blog/2022/04/looking-for-qt-support-get-in-touch.html | Apr 14 11:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mardy.it | Looking for Qt support? Get in touch! | Mardy | Apr 14 11:40 | |
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| techrights-news | Microsoft proxy CompTIA getting webspam and misleading puff pieces from 'FOSS'life https://www.fosslife.org/tech-job-growth-continues-climb | Apr 14 11:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslife.org | Tech Job Growth Continues to Climb | Apr 14 11:42 | |
| techrights-news | "I realized there was some sort of low-hanging fruit I could pick to better tune my WiFi at home. You see, I'm kind of a fraud in WiFi: I only started a WiFi mesh in Montreal (now defunct), I don't really know how any of that stuff works." https://anarc.at/blog/2022-04-13-wifi-tuning/ | Apr 14 11:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-anarc.at | Tuning my wifi radios - anarcat | Apr 14 11:45 | |
| techrights-news | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163711 | Apr 14 11:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 14 11:45 | |
| DaemonFC | https://www.autotrader.com/car-tips/want-a-smoother-ride-change-your-wheel-and-tire-size-213549 | Apr 14 11:46 |
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| DaemonFC | When I first saw people switching to big rims and smaller tires for them I said "That looks retarded and it can't ride well and without the cheap rubber tire absorbing the shock it all goes straight into the expensive suspension components and wears them out faster. Why would anyone do that?". | Apr 14 11:47 |
| DaemonFC | Now OEMs are putting that on as standard equipment and you need to buy new rims if you want away from it. | Apr 14 11:48 |
| techrights-news | Debian: Dirk Eddelbuettel, Antoine BeauprΓ©, and More Apt β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163712 | Apr 14 11:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian: Dirk Eddelbuettel, Antoine BeauprΓ©, and More Apt | Tux Machines | Apr 14 11:48 | |
| techrights-news | Razer-designed Linux laptop targets AI developers with deep-learning emphasis http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163670#comment-33341 | Apr 14 11:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Razer and Lambda Team Up to Unveil a Linux Laptop for Deep Learning | Tux Machines | Apr 14 11:50 | |
| techrights-news | Boing Boing = webspam https://boingboing.net/2022/04/04/six-linux-courses-that-can-take-you-from-computer-zero-to-hero-quickly.html | Apr 14 11:53 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: boingboing.net | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://boingboing.net/2022/04/04/six-linux-courses-that-can-take-you-from-computer-zero-to-hero-quickly.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://boingboing.net/2022/04/04/six-linux-courses-that-can-take-you-from-computer-zero-to-hero-quickly.html | Apr 14 11:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boingboing.net | Six Linux courses that can take you from computer zero to hero quickly | Boing Boing | Apr 14 11:53 | |
| techrights-news | "Training Bundle might even make the most novice computer user into a regular Bill Gates." WTF?? https://boingboing.net/2022/04/04/six-linux-courses-that-can-take-you-from-computer-zero-to-hero-quickly.html | Apr 14 11:54 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: boingboing.net | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://boingboing.net/2022/04/04/six-linux-courses-that-can-take-you-from-computer-zero-to-hero-quickly.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://boingboing.net/2022/04/04/six-linux-courses-that-can-take-you-from-computer-zero-to-hero-quickly.html | Apr 14 11:54 | |
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| techrights-news | Bill gates: criminals since his teen years. Also: dumpster diver, stealing other people's code. | Apr 14 11:55 |
| techrights-news | Best Raspberry Pi Projects β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163713 | Apr 14 11:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Raspberry Pi Projects | Tux Machines | Apr 14 11:55 | |
| Techrights-sec | yes boingboing has been crap since corey left they shill M$ shift often and | Apr 14 11:56 |
| Techrights-sec | loudly | Apr 14 11:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | when asking cory in twitter about what BB was doing | Apr 14 11:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | he was like, I have nothing to do with these people | Apr 14 11:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | very dismissive | Apr 14 11:57 |
| Techrights-sec | "make the most novice computer user into a regular Bill Gates." | Apr 14 11:58 |
| Techrights-sec | what, does it come with a complementary NAMBLA membership? | Apr 14 11:58 |
| Techrights-sec | yes he probably feels burned because it was off to a good start while he | Apr 14 11:58 |
| Techrights-sec | was there | Apr 14 11:58 |
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| DaemonFC | <Techrights-sec> what, does it come with a complementary NAMBLA membership? | Apr 14 11:59 |
| *spazzz is now known as spazz | Apr 14 11:59 | |
| DaemonFC | North American Marlon Brando Look Alikes? | Apr 14 11:59 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, ^ | Apr 14 11:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | This is not a BB problem but a WWW problem | Apr 14 11:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | far too many sites are becoming like this | Apr 14 11:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | moments ago I also mentioned FOSSLife | Apr 14 11:59 |
| DaemonFC | "Buicks offer a more upscale experience than your average Toyota, Mazda, or Nissan car but not as upscale as BMWs, Jaguars, Audis, Mercedes-Benzes, etc." | Apr 14 12:01 |
| DaemonFC | European luxury cars give you a more luxurious interior to sit on while the engine boils itself to death on the side of the road. | Apr 14 12:02 |
| DaemonFC | "According to RepairPal, the average annual maintenance and repair cost for a Buick is $608, which is noticeably lower than the $652 across all models and much lower than the costs for a BMW ($968), Mercedes-Benz ($908), and many other makes of luxury cars." | Apr 14 12:04 |
| DaemonFC | That's just an average though. When the BMW's cooling system fails, people tend to get rid of the car seeing as how the engine's ruined too the first time it overheats because of plastic and aluminum crap inside. | Apr 14 12:04 |
| DaemonFC | So the repair bills stop with the car is 7 or 8 because it's just scrap metal at that point. | Apr 14 12:04 |
| Techrights-sec | They are one example of the symptom. | Apr 14 12:05 |
| Techrights-sec | I guess buyouts worked for the colleges and universities and now they are turning to the reamining areas where people can self-tea | Apr 14 12:05 |
| Techrights-sec | learn in spite of everything else. | Apr 14 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | "A reason for this is because Buick is part of General Motors and shares parts with the companyβs other brands, particularly Chevrolet, which makes the parts needed to make repairs affordable and easily attainable." | Apr 14 12:06 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, which increases the size of the aftermarket and makes sure you can still get parts for your Buick! | Apr 14 12:06 |
| DaemonFC | In many cases, between 1999 and 2009, the parts are exactly the same between various GM models, including Cadillac, Chevy, Buick, and Pontiac (defunct). | Apr 14 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | Even though Pontiac has been gone for years now, you can get parts. | Apr 14 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | They're generic. | Apr 14 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | If you get some weird car with a limited production run that breaks down all the time, good luck. | Apr 14 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | FIAT is now selling less than 50,000 cars per year into the American market, in total, under the FIAT brand. So they're considering packing up and leaving. | Apr 14 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | Americans joke about FIAT meaning "Fix It Again, Tony!" because they're so poorly made. | Apr 14 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, You have to wonder how some of these companies are even in business. | Apr 14 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | Who would buy something that is so unreliable and is well known for changing their parts around so much you can never get a good deal on them. | Apr 14 12:10 |
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| leah | schestowitz-TR: i'm such a twat, i didn't know it was bank holiday friday+monday this month | Apr 14 12:11 |
| leah | easter weekend | Apr 14 12:11 |
| leah | i hate bank holidays. especially double bank holidays | Apr 14 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, and IKEA isn't even doing their Easter dinner anymore. | Apr 14 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | :( | Apr 14 12:12 |
| leah | payments still come in, but i have to explain to my customers why their laptop will take 2 additional business days to ship | Apr 14 12:12 |
| leah | because most of my customers are foreigners, who don't have bank holidays | Apr 14 12:12 |
| leah | or they do, but on different dates | Apr 14 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | <leah> because most of my customers are foreigners, who don't have bank holidays | Apr 14 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | They don't have Christians in those countries? | Apr 14 12:12 |
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| leah | they do, but they won't take time off from work | Apr 14 12:13 |
| leah | due to less workers rights | Apr 14 12:13 |
| leah | meh | Apr 14 12:14 |
| leah | that's 4 days for me to goof around then | Apr 14 12:14 |
| leah | yay | Apr 14 12:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | leah: I only remembered a week ago | Apr 14 12:16 |
| leah | we should like, be a completely robotic society. just have everything running 24/7, 7 days a week. and 1/7th of workforce has monday and tuesday off. next 1/7th have tuesday and wednesday. etc | Apr 14 12:16 |
| leah | that way, twats like me who work every day and don't consider it work, but consider it fun (coreboot is fun) don't get pissed off waiting for stuff to open after being closed for days | Apr 14 12:16 |
| leah | but there's a twist. have it all running non-stop but have everyone doing no more than 4 hour shifts. at double the current wages | Apr 14 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | https://9to5mac.com/2022/04/13/some-of-the-top-free-apps-on-the-mac-app-store-are-just-bait-for-in-app-purchases-says-developer/ | Apr 14 12:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Some Mac App Store apps are just 'bait' for in-app-purchases - 9to5Mac | Apr 14 12:17 | |
| leah | basically make the UK like a borg ship | Apr 14 12:17 |
| leah | 1/3 of it operating, the rest of it sleeping, but it's always operating | Apr 14 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | And even the Apple fan sites admit that most of the App Store is just bait for dumbshit and dumbshits. | Apr 14 12:18 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: have you ever considered how absurd it is that the country is completely dead, for 12 hours every day? | Apr 14 12:18 |
| leah | empty streets | Apr 14 12:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | no | Apr 14 12:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | streets can be redundant | Apr 14 12:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | many drive for no reasons | Apr 14 12:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | better use of the space is possible | Apr 14 12:19 |
| leah | yeah like the netherlands | Apr 14 12:19 |
| leah | their public transport and cycling infrastructure is amazing | Apr 14 12:19 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: but in the netherlands, they have bicycle traffic jams | Apr 14 12:19 |
| leah | ever seen those? | Apr 14 12:19 |
| leah | you can sometimes actually be stuck in bicycle traffic | Apr 14 12:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | lol | Apr 14 12:20 |
| DaemonFC | I commented: "Even the Apple fan sites admit that most of the Apps are trash designed to bait people in to waste money, like a roach motel. | Apr 14 12:20 |
| DaemonFC | There's no replacement for local computing and Free and Open Source Software." | Apr 14 12:20 |
| leah | i'm serious | Apr 14 12:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | leah: cycling is no fun near roads | Apr 14 12:20 |
| leah | bunch of dutch people swearing on their bikes, waiting to get ahead | Apr 14 12:20 |
| leah | it's hilarious | Apr 14 12:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | even on cycling lanes | Apr 14 12:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | we only cycle on the canal side | Apr 14 12:20 |
| leah | i bike it on the roads where i am | Apr 14 12:21 |
| leah | next to traffic | Apr 14 12:21 |
| leah | but yeah, better infrastructure is needed | Apr 14 12:21 |
| leah | cars are stupid | Apr 14 12:21 |
| leah | trains and buses are better | Apr 14 12:21 |
| leah | plus bicycles | Apr 14 12:21 |
| leah | more trains and buses would be my preference | Apr 14 12:21 |
| leah | would help disabled people too, who may not be able to drive very easily, and rely on public transport | Apr 14 12:21 |
| leah | plus, electric trains have been a thing for a while now | Apr 14 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | "Cindy Coffelt | Apr 14 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | I used to shop weekly at Wal-Mart but over the last five years I've come to absolutely hate shopping there. I now only go about once a month for a couple of items that I have trouble finding elsewhere." | Apr 14 12:23 |
| leah | can run it all on solar and wind power | Apr 14 12:23 |
| leah | and btw | Apr 14 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | I replied, "At least they're not like Amazon, with Bezos launching himelf into "technically space" while his workers never last more than a month or two and have to pee in bottles, and third party sellers with counterfeit junk." | Apr 14 12:23 |
| leah | two countries on earth are known to be very windy: | Apr 14 12:23 |
| leah | * pakistan | Apr 14 12:23 |
| leah | * UK | Apr 14 12:23 |
| leah | both of these countries have some of the best potential for wind energy | Apr 14 12:23 |
| leah | wind farms | Apr 14 12:23 |
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| techrights-news | β 158174 | βΎ Gemini address: 158174 | Apr 14 12:25 |
| techrights-news | Links 14/04/2022: IBM/Red Hat Arguing Against Legacy Support | Techrights β http://techrights.org/2022/04/14/against-legacy-support/ | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/14/against-legacy-support/ | Apr 14 12:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 14/04/2022: IBM/Red Hat Arguing Against Legacy Support | Techrights | Apr 14 12:25 | |
| techrights-news | Proprietary Software Leftovers β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163714 | Apr 14 12:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 14 12:25 | |
| techrights-news | Programming Leftovers β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163715 | Apr 14 12:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 14 12:25 | |
| schestowitz-TR | [12:23] <leah> both of these countries have some of the best potential for wind energy | Apr 14 12:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | we'd need to abandon cars except food transport etc. | Apr 14 12:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | wing generates energy, but some things use it up too fast | Apr 14 12:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | *wind | Apr 14 12:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | and don't get me started ib "Electric" planes | Apr 14 12:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | or space missions | Apr 14 12:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | spaceX... powered by batteries :-) | Apr 14 12:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | things people concerned for the planet can do: | Apr 14 12:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1) very rarely fly | Apr 14 12:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | 2) never buy a car | Apr 14 12:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | 3) don't have kids | Apr 14 12:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | 4) recycle, reuse, repurpose etc. | Apr 14 12:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | use clothing instead of heating to the extent feasible (some age groups and parts of the world cannot) | Apr 14 12:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | things that won't save us: | Apr 14 12:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1) tech utopia | Apr 14 12:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | 2) buying "newer" and "greener" things (more manufacturing) | Apr 14 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | (1) and (2) are pseudo-solutions touted by capitalists | Apr 14 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | turning the climate and overpopulation disaster into yet more profits (or "capitalist activity") | Apr 14 12:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | double glazing or better insulation can knock off billions of energy bills, over decades | Apr 14 12:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC took is (IMO) too far | Apr 14 12:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | he started sleeping in a bag, zipped up | Apr 14 12:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | there are way to reuse energy | Apr 14 12:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | like putting computers in the same room, then shutting the doors | Apr 14 12:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | a lot of excess energy becomes heat, also body heat | Apr 14 12:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | several people in the same room means energy sharing | Apr 14 12:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | it all sounds radical | Apr 14 12:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | and media won't advocate such things, it's too busy "selling" | Apr 14 12:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | not teaching | Apr 14 12:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | we've not turned on the heating for years | Apr 14 12:35 |
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| schestowitz-TR | speaking of energy use | Apr 14 12:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | the web also contributes a lot to pollutio | Apr 14 12:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | on the client side and server side | Apr 14 12:36 |
| XRevan86 | https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/releases/0.3.50 | Apr 14 12:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | they are, at best, greenwashing their act | Apr 14 12:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gitlab.freedesktop.org | 0.3.50 Β· PipeWire / pipewire Β· GitLab | Apr 14 12:36 | |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: how do you avoid your pipes freezing? | Apr 14 12:37 |
| leah | if you don't turn on the heat i mean | Apr 14 12:37 |
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| techrights-news | "[I almost used the word βon-boardingβ in the title, but then I realized that's marketspeak and I don't want to use marketspeak as I find the synergism incondusive to the synchronistic harmonizing of perpendicular incentives." gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/02/28.1 | Apr 14 12:38 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: i saw a post from someone once, about sustainable server hosting | Apr 14 12:38 |
| leah | basically the dude was running a raspberry pi off of a solar panel | Apr 14 12:39 |
| leah | tiny panel | Apr 14 12:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | leah: valve | Apr 14 12:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | for outdoor pipes | Apr 14 12:39 |
| leah | ok | Apr 14 12:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | otherwise it bursts a lot | Apr 14 12:39 |
| leah | according to the gas man who came recently to check my boiler, the government is ordering the construction of hydrogen infrastructure | Apr 14 12:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | keeping water in the pipes warm is not good use of energy | Apr 14 12:40 |
| leah | we will have hydrogen in our homes in like | Apr 14 12:40 |
| leah | 10 years? | Apr 14 12:40 |
| leah | hydrogen boilers | Apr 14 12:40 |
| leah | > hydrogen | Apr 14 12:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | bam | Apr 14 12:40 |
| leah | so their thinking is: | Apr 14 12:40 |
| leah | rebuild the pipes really thick, and make damn sure they're well-welded | Apr 14 12:40 |
| leah | and make sure the boilers are reliable... yeah, right lol | Apr 14 12:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | broken windows theory | Apr 14 12:41 |
| leah | i'll make sure to have thermal solar panels long before i let someone put hydrogen in my house | Apr 14 12:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | we used from electric showers to ga | Apr 14 12:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | gas | Apr 14 12:41 |
| leah | that shit is even less safe than regular gas | Apr 14 12:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | and now the price of gas goes through the roof | Apr 14 12:41 |
| leah | yeha i was gonna ask, how do you shower if you havent turned the heating on in years | Apr 14 12:42 |
| leah | was gonna ask if you go cold | Apr 14 12:42 |
| leah | cold showers are ok once you get used to them | Apr 14 12:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | not in winter | Apr 14 12:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | but water heating is another matter | Apr 14 12:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | even washing machines need that sometimes | Apr 14 12:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | not alway | Apr 14 12:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | some can heat that up or do cold washes | Apr 14 12:43 |
| leah | i've never understood though why you need gas to heat a home | Apr 14 12:43 |
| leah | why can't boilers just be electric? | Apr 14 12:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | but with 20 litres you can get a long shower | Apr 14 12:43 |
| leah | heating element and just heat water | Apr 14 12:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | the temperature differential in summer is small | Apr 14 12:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | like 26->35 | Apr 14 12:43 |
| leah | like, why do you need gas | Apr 14 12:43 |
| leah | electric heaters are more efficient | Apr 14 12:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | gas used to be cheaper | Apr 14 12:44 |
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| schestowitz-TR | but there's another facet | Apr 14 12:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | like electric heater breaking a lot | Apr 14 12:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | and being hard to repair | Apr 14 12:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | so you can connect one single boiler to the whole | Apr 14 12:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then maintain just that one thing | Apr 14 12:45 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: anyway | Apr 14 12:51 |
| leah | local jobs | Apr 14 12:51 |
| leah | local jobs means people can walk | Apr 14 12:51 |
| leah | then you build cycling lanes | Apr 14 12:51 |
| leah | i agree with you: roads should be mostly for delivery of goods | Apr 14 12:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | tell that to "clown computing" boosters | Apr 14 12:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | they don't have any notion of local | Apr 14 12:52 |
| leah | ? | Apr 14 12:52 |
| leah | well a job on the internet neither is nor isn't local | Apr 14 12:52 |
| leah | unless i suppose if you host the servers in your own lab | Apr 14 12:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | a lot of jobs can be done from home or walking distance | Apr 14 12:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | self-hosting is feasible | Apr 14 12:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the www is far too bloated | Apr 14 12:52 |
| leah | yeah well, i've identified that these things are the cause of global warming: | Apr 14 12:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe by design | Apr 14 12:52 |
| leah | * meat/dairy indistry. we need to eat like, 90% less of that | Apr 14 12:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | and the intention of floating everything to datacentres | Apr 14 12:53 |
| leah | * commuting to work by car | Apr 14 12:53 |
| leah | * soybean farming | Apr 14 12:53 |
| leah | (yes, vegans, looking at you. you're just as bad as meat eaters) | Apr 14 12:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | soy needs ruining forests | Apr 14 12:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | it causes its own problems | Apr 14 12:53 |
| leah | plus like | Apr 14 12:53 |
| leah | a few other things | Apr 14 12:53 |
| leah | pets are bad too. we breed animals just to have as pets | Apr 14 12:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | no | Apr 14 12:54 |
| leah | a pet labradour is pretty bad for the planet | Apr 14 12:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | companionship is important | Apr 14 12:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | pets don't use up muhc energy | Apr 14 12:54 |
| leah | but i wouldn't want to take people's pets | Apr 14 12:54 |
| leah | and they're not the biggest threat | Apr 14 12:54 |
| leah | so... | Apr 14 12:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | pets rarely fly | Apr 14 12:54 |
| leah | less meat, less milk, less cheese, less cars | Apr 14 12:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | you forgot less people | Apr 14 12:55 |
| leah | and no soybeans | Apr 14 12:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | nobody likes to say that | Apr 14 12:55 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: i was going to say it | Apr 14 12:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | haha | Apr 14 12:55 |
| leah | but it's pointless to say it | Apr 14 12:55 |
| leah | know why? | Apr 14 12:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | because it's not politically-correct | Apr 14 12:55 |
| leah | nobody will ever listen to it. human nature is to procreate endlessly | Apr 14 12:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | people insinuate you want to kill people | Apr 14 12:56 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: no, i don't mind saying it, and i agree | Apr 14 12:56 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: that's the only way to do it. that's why i didn't say it | Apr 14 12:56 |
| leah | because i see no way to do it, without endorsing genocide | Apr 14 12:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | as you are aware I'm a neo (news) philes | Apr 14 12:56 |
| leah | what's what | Apr 14 12:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | and this week I saw many items about famine and startvation | Apr 14 12:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | also water crisus | Apr 14 12:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | neophile = lover of news | Apr 14 12:57 |
| leah | i actually think we can have like double or triple the number of human beings | Apr 14 12:57 |
| leah | it's totally fine | Apr 14 12:57 |
| leah | and i believe it will happen in my lifetime | Apr 14 12:57 |
| leah | population 30 billion | Apr 14 12:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | there is already a capacity issue | Apr 14 12:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | and we're ruining forests | Apr 14 12:58 |
| leah | ruining forests to eat meat and dairy | Apr 14 12:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | many animals become extinct | Apr 14 12:58 |
| leah | also soybeans | Apr 14 12:58 |
| leah | meat, dairy and soybeans are in large part why we cut down trees | Apr 14 12:58 |
| leah | to make farm land | Apr 14 12:58 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | β IPFS downstream, 60 mins: βββ ββββ ββ β ββββββββββββββββ βββββββ ββ avg(k/sec) 29.58 β IPFS upstream: ββββββββββββββ ββββββββββββββββββββ avg(k/sec) 78.71β swarm size (avg): 353.93 β² | Apr 14 12:59 |
| leah | i don't know how we would do paper sustainably | Apr 14 12:59 |
| leah | how to make paper, that is | Apr 14 12:59 |
| leah | and shipping containers are often made from trees too | Apr 14 12:59 |
| leah | cardboard i mean | Apr 14 12:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's an x*y*z problem | Apr 14 13:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | reduce x | Apr 14 13:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | or y | Apr 14 13:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | or z | Apr 14 13:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | even if you reduce consumption, waste etc. you won't accomplish enough if you double the size of the population every 50-100 years | Apr 14 13:01 |
| leah | i'd say covid might be the answer you're looking for, to reduce world population | Apr 14 13:02 |
| leah | but so far, it has only gotten rid of about 0.5% of humanity | Apr 14 13:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | like MinceR might say, it's not strong enough | Apr 14 13:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | and it mostly kills very elderly people | Apr 14 13:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | it handicaps others | Apr 14 13:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | putting burden on the health systems | Apr 14 13:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | *healthcare | Apr 14 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | leah: and about 10% of businesses, maybe a lot more | Apr 14 13:03 |
| leah | ? | Apr 14 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | so a lot more people are financially helpless now | Apr 14 13:04 |
| leah | oh, you mean 10% of businesses shut down | Apr 14 13:04 |
| leah | yeah that'll do it then | Apr 14 13:04 |
| leah | wipe out the rest with poverty | Apr 14 13:04 |
| leah | btw | Apr 14 13:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | [07:53] <techrights-news> COVID-10 death toll https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/08/1049268/the-download-how-a-zambian-morgue-is-exposing-the-real-covid-toll-in-africa/ | Apr 14 13:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.technologyreview.com | How a Zambian morgue is exposing the real covid toll in Africa | MIT Technology Review | Apr 14 13:04 | |
| leah | i'm just being scientific here | Apr 14 13:04 |
| leah | taking your point to the logical extreme | Apr 14 13:04 |
| leah | (methods to reduce world population) | Apr 14 13:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | i think it's like drake equation | Apr 14 13:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | but for planet earth | Apr 14 13:04 |
| leah | how so? | Apr 14 13:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | and not for probability, rather than overall utility | Apr 14 13:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | rms tried to 'lecture' brazilians on overpopulation last year | Apr 14 13:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | it did not go well | Apr 14 13:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | not lecture per se | Apr 14 13:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | but catholics are in denial about it, just like muslims | Apr 14 13:05 |
| leah | oh my god | Apr 14 13:05 |
| leah | no pun intended btw, because i wrote it before seeing you add that last line | Apr 14 13:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | their religion tells them to play the "numbers game"... to 'win' | Apr 14 13:06 |
| leah | have you ever heard a brazillian person be angry, swearing and shouting in portuguese | Apr 14 13:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | i know who you mean | Apr 14 13:06 |
| leah | there's the stereotype of them being happy, peaceful people, but then you hear cursing in portuguese | Apr 14 13:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | he shouted in english | Apr 14 13:06 |
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| schestowitz-TR | being happy is getting harder | Apr 14 13:07 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: was that the same lecture where he had a nervous breakdown? | Apr 14 13:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | unless you become cynical like george carlin | Apr 14 13:07 |
| leah | he tried to speak at a conference in brazil, and spoke in spanish | Apr 14 13:07 |
| leah | but nobody understood him, so he got angry | Apr 14 13:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | the organisers' fault | Apr 14 13:08 |
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| leah | why would you do that though | Apr 14 13:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | but rms could handle it better | Apr 14 13:08 |
| leah | speak spanish at a conference in a portuguese-speaking country | Apr 14 13:08 |
| leah | anyway, i might celebrate easter this year | Apr 14 13:09 |
| leah | with chocolate eggs i mean | Apr 14 13:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | "break an egg" | Apr 14 13:09 |
| leah | i was craving chocolate last night | Apr 14 13:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am going to record something in a mo | Apr 14 13:09 |
| leah | ok have fun | Apr 14 13:09 |
| leah | i'm gonna get back to my things | Apr 14 13:09 |
| leah | i'm actually pretty on top of work at the moment. april is usually a slow month | Apr 14 13:10 |
| leah | i'm mostly just getting as ahead as possible | Apr 14 13:10 |
| leah | because i plan to work on a libreboot release soon. ready for release later this month hopefully | Apr 14 13:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | yeah, slow news too | Apr 14 13:11 |
| leah | libreboot and osboot. simultaneous releases | Apr 14 13:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | I shall take advantage of that | Apr 14 13:11 |
| leah | oh? | Apr 14 13:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | what you heard.. | Apr 14 13:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | very very slow news | Apr 14 13:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | journalism is nearly dead | Apr 14 13:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | bbiab | Apr 14 13:12 |
| leah | i've also noticed slow news lately | Apr 14 13:14 |
| leah | anyway | Apr 14 13:15 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: something you might be interested in: | Apr 14 13:17 |
| leah | see: #BigPowerOff on twitter | Apr 14 13:17 |
| leah | next one is on saturday at 7pm. to take part, you just turn off your electricity for 10 minutes at that time, and then turn it back on | Apr 14 13:17 |
| leah | the idea being: if enough people do it, it'll cause a nationwide surge | Apr 14 13:18 |
| leah | which could cause real damage to infrastructure | Apr 14 13:18 |
| leah | and the idea therefore is: energy companies and the government will be forced to lower prices, or get royally fucked | Apr 14 13:18 |
| leah | it's being organized by a group called: | Apr 14 13:19 |
| leah | Disabled People Against Cuts (DPAC) | Apr 14 13:19 |
| leah | the organisers are based in sheffield | Apr 14 13:19 |
| leah | you could cover that. i think it's a great idea | Apr 14 13:19 |
| leah | and i've decided that i will take part | Apr 14 13:19 |
| leah | i'm turning off my electricity this saturday, at 7pm. for 10 minutes | Apr 14 13:19 |
| leah | that means all my websites will be offline for 10 minutes | Apr 14 13:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | ok, recording stopped | Apr 14 13:21 |
| leah | in my opinion, they should tell people to do it every day | Apr 14 13:21 |
| leah | 3 times daily | Apr 14 13:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | i had to stop early due to technial f*up | Apr 14 13:21 |
| leah | daily blackouts | Apr 14 13:21 |
| leah | by my estimation, 10% of households need to do this, for the action to be effective | Apr 14 13:21 |
| leah | schestowitz-TR: spain did it, and it worked | Apr 14 13:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | lol | Apr 14 13:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | Apr 14 13:23 | |
| leah | energy prices went down | Apr 14 13:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | Twitter is NOT for activism | Apr 14 13:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | you are NOT in control | Apr 14 13:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | Twitter controls you | Apr 14 13:23 |
| leah | tell that to spain | Apr 14 13:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | MUSK controls YOU | Apr 14 13:24 |
| leah | they have cheaper energy bills now | Apr 14 13:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | "real damage to infrastructure" | Apr 14 13:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | doesn't sound like Luddites | Apr 14 13:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | sounds like dumbFucks (Facebook(TM)) deluding themselves into things | Apr 14 13:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | you need whisteblowers and stuff | Apr 14 13:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | like at EPO | Apr 14 13:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | or Wikileaks | Apr 14 13:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | vandalising one's own infra isn't conducive | Apr 14 13:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | and it mostly helps Twitter's owners | Apr 14 13:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | who still control you | Apr 14 13:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | they do tons of meddling everywhere | Apr 14 13:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | even elections and wars | Apr 14 13:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | organising actions in social control media is like lecturing veganism inside a lion's den | Apr 14 13:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | eventually the lair's owner will eat you | Apr 14 13:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | leah: if you don't mind me changing subjects | Apr 14 13:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | I am typing up our strategy and priorities at the moment | Apr 14 13:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | with focus on patents | Apr 14 13:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | open to insights from yoiu | Apr 14 13:28 |
| leah | i don't know much about patent issues | Apr 14 13:28 |
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| schestowitz-TR | in libreboot surely you step on a few | Apr 14 13:29 |
| leah | nda's | Apr 14 13:30 |
| leah | it's nda's that bite me | Apr 14 13:30 |
| leah | when i want to know something and the information can only be obtained under nda | Apr 14 13:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | I see | Apr 14 13:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | akin to Trade Secrets? | Apr 14 13:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | those are not the same but related | Apr 14 13:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | are you even allowed to say who signs with who? | Apr 14 13:37 |
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| leah | well, i'm against nda's and don't want to legitimise the practise | Apr 14 13:39 |
| leah | so i never sign them | Apr 14 13:39 |
| leah | patents don't really come up as often in hardware because you're often not able to do anything with it anyway | Apr 14 13:40 |
| leah | but nda's chip documentation is a huge problem | Apr 14 13:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | with patents in the mix I guess | Apr 14 13:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | usually is it patents, secrecy, or both | Apr 14 13:48 |
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| schestowitz-TR | btw re spain | Apr 14 13:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | those fools outsourced to US | Apr 14 13:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | and to US oligarachsa | Apr 14 13:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | and they don't damage only their own griud | Apr 14 13:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | but also their own home appliancesa | Apr 14 13:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | and neighbours | Apr 14 13:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | elaborate sabotage | Apr 14 13:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | encouraged by US-owned and Saudi-owned social control media foolfest | Apr 14 13:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | amazing | Apr 14 13:51 |
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| psydruid | so Musk has made an offer to buy Twitter | Apr 14 14:03 |
| techrights-news | Tackling EPO Propaganda and Lawlessness: Part 1 | Techrights β http://techrights.org/2022/04/14/epo-propaganda-and-lawlessness/ | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/14/epo-propaganda-and-lawlessness/ | Apr 14 14:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Tackling EPO Propaganda and Lawlessness: Part 1 | Techrights | Apr 14 14:03 | |
| schestowitz-TR | psydruid: has he? | Apr 14 14:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | url? | Apr 14 14:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | i hope it's true | Apr 14 14:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | I REALLY hope it's true | Apr 14 14:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | it'll die faster | Apr 14 14:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | like "truth social" | Apr 14 14:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | or LeeNode | Apr 14 14:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | people don't want to work for charlatans and frauds | Apr 14 14:05 |
| psydruid | https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/0001494730/000110465922045641/tm2212748d1_sc13da.htm | Apr 14 14:05 |
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| schestowitz-TR | thanks | Apr 14 14:05 |
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| schestowitz-TR | " | Apr 14 14:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | Name of Reporting Person: I.R.S. Identification Nos. of Above Person (entities only): | Apr 14 14:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | Apr 14 14:05 | |
| schestowitz-TR | Elon R. Musk | Apr 14 14:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | " | Apr 14 14:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | "Explanatory Note: This statement on Schedule 13D amends the Schedule 13D of Elon Musk (the βReporting Personβ) that was filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on April 5, 2022, as amended on April 11, 2022 (collectively, the βSchedule 13Dβ), with respect to the Common Stock of Twitter Inc. (the βIssuerβ). This amendment to the Schedule 13D constitutes Amendment No. 2 to the Schedule 13D. Capitalized terms used but | Apr 14 14:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | not defined herein have the meanings given to such terms in the Schedule 13D. Except as set forth herein, the Schedule 13D is unmodified." | Apr 14 14:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | "As a result, I am offering to buy 100% of Twitter for $54.20 per share in cash, a 54% premium over the day before I began investing in Twitter and a 38% premium over the day before my investment was publicly announced. My offer is my best and final offer and if it is not accepted, I would need to reconsider my position as a shareholder." | Apr 14 14:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | wow | Apr 14 14:06 |
| techrights-news | Microsoft's cloud business targeted by EU antitrust regulators http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158424#comment-33342 | Apr 14 14:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | EU coalition urges EU to push back against gate keeping by Microsoft, files official complaint | Tux Machines | Apr 14 14:13 | |
| techrights-news | Krita 5.0.5 released β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163716 | Apr 14 14:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Krita 5.0.5 released | Tux Machines | Apr 14 14:13 | |
| techrights-news | Google Shares Plan to Make Steam Work on Chrome OS with Linux β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163717 | Apr 14 14:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google Shares Plan to Make Steam Work on Chrome OS with Linux | Tux Machines | Apr 14 14:13 | |
| techrights-news | SUSE Linux Enterprise Micro 5.2 is Generally Available β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163718 | Apr 14 14:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE Linux Enterprise Micro 5.2 is Generally Available | Tux Machines | Apr 14 14:14 | |
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| Techrights-sec | I'm not sure which is worse, Twitter as it has been or Twitter under Musk | Apr 14 14:44 |
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| techrights-news | [Meme] Kangaroos in Ukraine | Techrights β http://techrights.org/2022/04/14/european-putin-office/ | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/14/european-putin-office/ | Apr 14 14:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Kangaroos in Ukraine | Techrights | Apr 14 14:56 | |
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| techrights-news | "Infra is the kind of game that you'd think shouldn't exist, but I'm glad it does." gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2022-04-14-infra.gmi | Apr 14 15:41 |
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| techrights-news | Tackling EPO Propaganda and Lawlessness: Part 2 | Techrights β http://techrights.org/2022/04/14/spurning-science/ | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/14/spurning-science/ | Apr 14 15:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Tackling EPO Propaganda and Lawlessness: Part 2 | Techrights | Apr 14 15:55 | |
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| bnchs_ | hello | Apr 14 16:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | 0/ | Apr 14 16:11 |
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| bnchs_ | NULL | Apr 14 16:12 |
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| bnchs_ | '\0' | Apr 14 16:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's me waving hello | Apr 14 16:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | kde neon isn't as great as I thought | Apr 14 16:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's acting like some kind of rolling release | Apr 14 16:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is maybe what it was | Apr 14 16:14 |
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| schestowitz-TR | I will test it some more weeks | Apr 14 16:15 |
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| schestowitz-TR | before giving a more complete 'review' | Apr 14 16:15 |
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| MinceR | https://files.explosm.net/comics/Matt/I-hope-it-doesnt-explode-any-time-soon.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/matt-i-hope-it-doesnt-explode-any-time-soon#comic ) | Apr 14 16:15 |
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| bnchs_ | yeah i know | Apr 14 16:16 |
| bnchs_ | i said NULL because in a char its '\0' | Apr 14 16:16 |
| psydruid | I tried KDE Neon when it was first released but it broke itself twice in short succession, so I tried Fedora and then shortly after that Debian | Apr 14 16:19 |
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| bnchs | i like how anti-linux shills always point out that linux is "unusable" | Apr 14 16:38 |
| bnchs | or "unstable" | Apr 14 16:38 |
| bnchs | they fake stories about how linux is unusable | Apr 14 16:39 |
| bnchs | and then refuse to offer any more information | Apr 14 16:39 |
| bnchs | like system logs | Apr 14 16:39 |
| bnchs | also strawmans | Apr 14 16:42 |
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| DaemonFC | The Toyota Corolla at 2:55 has a bad serpentine belt. | Apr 14 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | The guy should get it replaced. | Apr 14 17:16 |
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| DaemonFC | Any time that belt starts squaling, chirping, making any noise whatsoever, take it to a GOOD mechanic, have them inspect the entire drive shaft system for bad/misaligned pulleys and of course noise from any accessories it runs, to see if those need replaced, and even if nothing needs replaced, get yourself a new belt anyway. | Apr 14 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | Because chances are there's something wrong with the belt even if the drive system is fine otherwise, and you don't want a belt to snap and leave you stranded somewhere. | Apr 14 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | The Buick started chirping yesterday morning when it was wet out. It went away after I drove the car a few blocks. I was going to the shop anyway, had them inspect the drive shaft system and they didn't find anything wrong with those expensive accessories ar pulleys, so I said "Throw the 14 year old belt in the trash and we'll put a new belt on and see if it goes away.". This morning it was even muggier and more humid than yesterday. I started | Apr 14 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | the car with the new belt. No noise at all. | Apr 14 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | It was belt glazing on the old belt. | Apr 14 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | THe rubber had started to break down with heat and age (more age than anything, because they're never supposed to be on there more than 10 year even if you don't have 100,000 miles on the belt yet). | Apr 14 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | And when it gets wet, that section of the belt starts getting pulled over some of the pulleys and chirping at you, and if you don't take care of it, your car can even start doing odd things before it goes ahead and snaps. | Apr 14 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | Because it's suppose to grip the drive shaft and accessories tightly and turn all of them, and when part of the belt is slipping, it's not running those accessories properly until a good section of the belt gets back over them and starts turning them again. | Apr 14 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | The S-Belt is actually a huge improvement on modern cars and the latest one to use several belts in there was Toyota, I think. | Apr 14 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | They're known for reliable cars, but there's like 5 belts in there, so when it's belt day, you have some expensive jobs to do. | Apr 14 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, So I need to get new TPMS sensors in the Buick. | Apr 14 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | It was dinging at me when they sold it and it says "SERVICE TPMS SYSTEM" but it's not a huge deal, other than the annoyance and I can't just tell the computer "I don't want to spend any money on that. Shut up.". | Apr 14 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | But I think I still got a good deal on the car. | Apr 14 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | Carvana is so ridiculous on pricing that even though the cars seem to be okay as a general rule, and they probably fix it up well enough that it's not dinging at you right away, there's still no guarantees that it's had all of its recommended servicing. | Apr 14 17:27 |
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| DaemonFC | If they want you to pay $11,000 for a car similar to the one I got for $7,950, you're going to be really hot under the collar if they drop something off that's got a few issues and you're right back into the shop getting those nailed down. | Apr 14 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | Right off the bat, I needed a new remote control, a second key, a bunch of service work, a battery. I mean so that's another $1,700 worth of stuff, right? But Carvana drops off a mystery car that costa $11,000 and you might still need to do some of this stuff anyway. | Apr 14 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | I'd much rather just buy a car with some quirks for $3,050 less, skip the extra $500 in taxes for having bought it from a dealer that my state would have charged me, and go through some things with a mechanic where it won't cost me half that difference and I get credit card points and coupons along the way. | Apr 14 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | <schestowitz-TR> like "truth social" | Apr 14 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | That flopped big time. | Apr 14 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | The problem conservatives at having with their social media is that aside from the Cancel Mob coming after them and forcing them to use their own infrastructure, like software and hosting, there's too many conservative social media sites and it waters down the experience. | Apr 14 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | If Gab, TRUTH, and Parler were all like, one thing, and everyone went there, it would do pretty well by user count. | Apr 14 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | Back to used cars, the used car market is nuts right now, and you can end up paying as much as I did, or more, for a total piece of crap. | Apr 14 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | When I was shoppping around I noticed something. | Apr 14 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | $6,000 tends to get you a total rustbucket now, especially at a dealership. | Apr 14 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | That's $6,000. When I was a young man you could buy a late model car in decent shape anywhere you wanted to and it was like $2,000 if that. | Apr 14 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | And for $2,000 you expected no rust, low miles, nothing huge wrong with it. | Apr 14 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | Because when the other guy bought his new car, he got something totally decent for $20,000. | Apr 14 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | So if a nice new car is $20,000, you get to sell your used one for $2,000, but when the government starts fucking with the car market and a new car is $60,000-$70,000 out the door, a decent used one won't start at less than $7,000 or so. | Apr 14 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | The government crushed a lot of cars like mine in Cash 4 Clunkers in 2009. They ruined a bunch of really good late model American cars and people bought this battery shit from Asia and it's all broken down by now, and the American cars that survived the program can still run fine if they haven't been abused. | Apr 14 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | And the program only brought up the average MPG for the US fleet by 1.2 MPG. | Apr 14 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | And they destroyed millions of cars that had already been built and all the energy and GHG emissions that had been used to build them were now wasted so they could build another car. | Apr 14 17:44 |
| bnchs | they locked the #fsf channel | Apr 14 17:44 |
| bnchs | god dang it | Apr 14 17:44 |
| bnchs | now i need to be registered | Apr 14 17:44 |
| bnchs | i'm pretty sure the trolls triggered them too much | Apr 14 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | On LIBERAL Chat? | Apr 14 17:45 |
| bnchs | yes | Apr 14 17:45 |
| bnchs | 4chan trolls ruin everything | Apr 14 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going back to the shop on Wednesday. | Apr 14 17:46 |
| psymin | Which android ebook reader is the most free? :) | Apr 14 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | They've got some engine and transmission rebuilds ahead of me. That's fine. A TPMS light is minor stuff. | Apr 14 17:47 |
| bnchs | psymin: librera pro | Apr 14 17:48 |
| psymin | bnchs, this? https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.foobnix.pro.pdf.reader/ | Apr 14 17:50 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: f-droid.org | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.foobnix.pro.pdf.reader/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.foobnix.pro.pdf.reader/ | Apr 14 17:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-f-droid.org | Librera Reader | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository | Apr 14 17:50 | |
| bnchs | yeah | Apr 14 17:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've installed obs studio | Apr 14 17:54 |
| psymin | bnchs, "The best way to fully appreciate Librera Reader, however, is to use our restriction-free Librera PRO version from Google Play" | Apr 14 17:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | wish I did that in 2020 already | Apr 14 17:54 |
| bnchs | psymin: fdroid's version is librera pro | Apr 14 17:54 |
| bnchs | probably compiled off their source code | Apr 14 17:55 |
| psymin | odd, that quote is from the fdroid page | Apr 14 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | I was out in the Buick this morning and that transmission is shifting like a dream. | Apr 14 17:55 |
| bnchs | and besides already has no restrictions | Apr 14 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | Can't even feel it shifting. | Apr 14 17:55 |
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| techrights-news | OBS Studio on KDE neon | Techrights β http://techrights.org/2022/04/14/obs-studio-on-kde-neon/ | βΎ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/14/obs-studio-on-kde-neon/ | Apr 14 18:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | OBS Studio on KDE neon | Techrights | Apr 14 18:17 | |
| techrights-news | Today in #Techrights β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163720 | Apr 14 18:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Apr 14 18:22 | |
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| bnchs__ | libera chat netsplited | Apr 14 18:35 |
| bnchs__ | most of the channels are now 0-20 users | Apr 14 18:35 |
| psydroid2 | isn't #fsf more like an echo chamber of people who pat themselves on the back a bit too much while doing absolutely nothing fundamental to further free software? | Apr 14 18:36 |
| bnchs__ | well they have forced registeration | Apr 14 18:37 |
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| bnchs__ | because of the trolls from yesterday's RMS talk | Apr 14 18:37 |
| psydroid2 | I mean in general | Apr 14 18:38 |
| MinceR | well, i could say things in #fsf (and rarely i do) but they get ignored anyway | Apr 14 18:38 |
| psydroid2 | I've never seen anything there that makes me go "that's insightful" | Apr 14 18:38 |
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| techrights-news | After several days of βfirefightingβ against one technical disaster or another we're back to normal; this coming weekend we intend to tackle a lot of misleading βjournalismβ and outright βfake newsβ (issued to spread lies, by intention) http://techrights.org/2022/04/14/epo-propaganda-and-lawlessness/ | Apr 14 18:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Tackling EPO Propaganda and Lawlessness: Part 1 | Techrights | Apr 14 18:43 | |
| techrights-news | EPO management found the courage β or the audacity rather β to pretend to be a benevolent force for peace and justice when in reality itβs a malignant cancer full of corruption and prevalent, unrelenting law-breaking http://techrights.org/2022/04/14/european-putin-office/ | Apr 14 18:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Kangaroos in Ukraine | Techrights | Apr 14 18:43 | |
| techrights-news | The EPO has spurned science and has chosen politics as a smokescreen instead, mostly as a cover for the operations being designed to promote the interests of multinational monopolists and their patent litigation representatives http://techrights.org/2022/04/14/spurning-science/ | Apr 14 18:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Tackling EPO Propaganda and Lawlessness: Part 2 | Techrights | Apr 14 18:43 | |
| techrights-news | Weβre going to try more advanced video recording software that does more things at once and does not result in a dire need for editing (as that would be extremely time-consuming) http://techrights.org/2022/04/14/obs-studio-on-kde-neon/ | Apr 14 18:44 |
| techrights-news | Yes, the Steam Deck will eventually get Ray Tracing, once the AMD GPU driver matures | GamingOnLinux β https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/yes-the-steam-deck-will-eventually-get-ray-tracing-once-the-amd-gpu-driver-matures/ δ· Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games | Apr 14 18:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Yes, the Steam Deck will eventually get Ray Tracing, once the AMD GPU driver matures | GamingOnLinux | Apr 14 18:52 | |
| techrights-news | "Soldat 2 entered Early Access in September 2020 but it seems it didn't quite hit the marks players wanted, and failed to find much of an audience. Transhuman Design never gave up on it, and as it turned out they were hard at work to overhaul everything. This huge revamp is out now!" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/soldat-2-gets-completely-overhauled-in-a-new-update-out-now/ | Apr 14 18:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Soldat 2 gets completely overhauled in a new update out now | GamingOnLinux | Apr 14 18:52 | |
| techrights-news | Play Worms 2 on Linux with the Worms 2 Plus patch | GamingOnLinux β https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/play-worms-2-on-linux-with-the-worms-2-plus-patch/ δ· Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games | Apr 14 18:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Play Worms 2 on Linux with the Worms 2 Plus patch | GamingOnLinux | Apr 14 18:53 | |
| MinceR | (cat) https://i.imgur.com/BkFGItp.jpeg | Apr 14 18:54 |
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| techrights-news | "SUSE has a skunkworks distro in development, the transition Debian is struggling with, and some long-awaited improvements to Raspberry Pi OS." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148212/linux-action-news-236/ | Apr 14 19:09 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: jupiterbroadcasting.com | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148212/linux-action-news-236/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148212/linux-action-news-236/ | Apr 14 19:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Linux Action News 236 | Jupiter Broadcasting | Apr 14 19:09 | |
| techrights-news | Why I don't use Squarespace or WordPress https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C-DXeqUTgA "There are better options, but let's review where these common solutions fall short and what I do to fix them." | Apr 14 19:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Invidious: https://y.com.sb/watch?v=5C-DXeqUTgA | Apr 14 19:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> y.com.sb | Why I don't use Squarespace or WordPress - Invidious | Apr 14 19:11 | |
| techrights-news | "In this video, I am going to show an overview of Kubuntu 22.04 LTS and some of the applications pre-installed." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZNP11k3kcY | Apr 14 19:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Invidious: https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=-ZNP11k3kcY | Apr 14 19:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> invidious.snopyta.org | Kubuntu 22.04 LTS overview | making your PC friendly - Invidious | Apr 14 19:11 | |
| techrights-news | Proprietary software (so media won't mention this): "CVSS v3 9.6" (almost 10/10 in severity) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-104-03 | Apr 14 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | Red Lion DA50N | CISA | Apr 14 19:12 | |
| techrights-news | Microsoft Windows TCO https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/04/industrial-control-system-malware-discovered.html | Apr 14 19:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Industrial Control System Malware Discovered - Schneier on Security | Apr 14 19:14 | |
| techrights-news | Links 2.26 Minimal Web Browser Brings DNS Over HTTPS and WebP Support β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163721 | Apr 14 19:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Links 2.26 Minimal Web Browser Brings DNS Over HTTPS and WebP Support | Tux Machines | Apr 14 19:18 | |
| SomeH4x0r | isn't DNS Over HTTPS a DNS client feature, not web browser? | Apr 14 19:19 |
| techrights-news | 12 Best Vim Plugins To Install In Your Terminal (2022) β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163722 | Apr 14 19:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 12 Best Vim Plugins To Install In Your Terminal (2022) | Tux Machines | Apr 14 19:21 | |
| techrights-news | Project Zero: CVE-2021-1782, an iOS in-the-wild vulnerability in vouchers β https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2022/04/cve-2021-1782-ios-in-wild-vulnerability.html δ· Source: gulag project zero | Apr 14 19:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-googleprojectzero.blogspot.com | Project Zero: CVE-2021-1782, an iOS in-the-wild vulnerability in vouchers | Apr 14 19:22 | |
| schestowitz-TR | SomeH4x0r: the borwsers are spyware | Apr 14 19:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | I would not trust them | Apr 14 19:22 |
| techrights-news | Best 12 Xfce Themes Collection For Linux Distros To Try in 2022 β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163723 | Apr 14 19:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best 12 Xfce Themes Collection For Linux Distros To Try in 2022 | Tux Machines | Apr 14 19:24 | |
| SomeH4x0r | wdym "to try in YEAR"? | Apr 14 19:25 |
| SomeH4x0r | does it matter what year it is to choose themes? | Apr 14 19:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | updates list | Apr 14 19:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe because some people search by year | Apr 14 19:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | they don't want to get a page about best distros 12 years ago | Apr 14 19:26 |
| SomeH4x0r | best as in what? Taken over by corporations the most? | Apr 14 19:26 |
| SomeH4x0r | nonsensical updates wasting resources | Apr 14 19:27 |
| techrights-news | Wait till they find out GNU/Linux distros are technically miles ahead of all versions of Windows Vista, including "11" https://www.maketecheasier.com/more-users-windows-xp-than-windows-11/ | Apr 14 19:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | More Users Sticking with Windows XP than Upgrading to Windows 11 - Make Tech Easier | Apr 14 19:28 | |
| SomeH4x0r | we had less powerful PCs years ago and yet all stuff was functional | Apr 14 19:28 |
| bnchs__ | more userssticking with windows XP | Apr 14 19:28 |
| bnchs__ | now tell me whats the difference | Apr 14 19:28 |
| SomeH4x0r | higher level of resource abuse | Apr 14 19:28 |
| bnchs__ | 1. an abandoned, shit version of a OS | Apr 14 19:28 |
| bnchs__ | 2. more spyware version in a OS | Apr 14 19:28 |
| techrights-news | It is widely accepted by now that Vista 11 is a failure | Apr 14 19:29 |
| SomeH4x0r | why is it "shit"? | Apr 14 19:29 |
| bnchs__ | all versions of windows is shit | Apr 14 19:29 |
| bnchs__ | but what i was saying, is that it doesn't matter if you "stick" with windows XP | Apr 14 19:30 |
| bnchs__ | microsoft can and will backport their spyware | Apr 14 19:30 |
| SomeH4x0r | afaik it has just a few updates | Apr 14 19:30 |
| SomeH4x0r | though it was de facto supported until 2019, so idk | Apr 14 19:31 |
| bnchs__ | maybe i got a good plan for microsoft | Apr 14 19:31 |
| bnchs__ | 1) wait until some big security vulnerability comes out | Apr 14 19:31 |
| bnchs__ | 2) all windows users are affected | Apr 14 19:31 |
| techrights-news | Mesa VERSION: bump to 22.2-devel for next cycle https://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=6a83d94e626bd439bc549326ebbe9f25ca33a19c | Apr 14 19:31 |
| bnchs__ | 3) release update for currently "supported" windows versions | Apr 14 19:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cgit.freedesktop.org | mesa/mesa - The Mesa 3D Graphics Library (mirrored from https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa) | Apr 14 19:31 | |
| bnchs__ | 4) release update for the "unsupported" versions aswell | Apr 14 19:31 |
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| bnchs__ | 5) the update has spyware backdoors | Apr 14 19:32 |
| techrights-news | Todayβs #HowTos | #UNIX β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163724 | Apr 14 19:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Apr 14 19:38 | |
| techrights-news | Games: Steam Deck, Screeps: Arena, and More β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163725 | Apr 14 19:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Steam Deck, Screeps: Arena, and More | Tux Machines | Apr 14 19:38 | |
| techrights-news | Experiments in digital oppression, disguised as companies (often subsidised at taxpayers' expense to believe the taxpayers) https://thehill.com/policy/3266930-hillicon-valley-groups-push-tech-to-step-up-on-crises/ | Apr 14 19:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehill.com | Hillicon Valley β Groups push tech to step up on crises | The Hill | Apr 14 19:39 | |
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| techrights-news | Microsoft is repeatedly being bailed out, both by Trump and Biden http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/ | Apr 14 19:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayersβ Expense | Techrights | Apr 14 19:40 | |
| techrights-news | Facebookβs Ukraine-Russia Moderation Double Standard β https://theintercept.com/2022/04/13/facebook-ukraine-russia-moderation-double-standard/ δ· Source: theintercept | omidyar pac | Apr 14 19:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theintercept.com | Facebookβs Ukraine-Russia Moderation Double Standard | Apr 14 19:41 | |
| techrights-news | April 14, 2022: Cyberattacks on Ukraine continue https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ Ukrainian public now paying the FULL price for Windows (Microsoft) | Apr 14 19:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.accessnow.org | Updates: Digital rights in the Russia-Ukraine conflict - Access Now | Apr 14 19:41 | |
| techrights-news | "At first glance, the title of this article may sound like an oxymoron. However, what it highlights is the introduction of a rather useful feature that will enable a far more robust and elegant handling of the /dev/shm implementation inside the snap sandbox." https://ubuntu.com//blog/private-shared-memory-support-for-snaps | Apr 14 19:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Private shared memory support for snaps | Ubuntu | Apr 14 19:44 | |
| techrights-news | Canonical told the community of Ubuntu, "go to Hell." Now it's with Dell... and Microsoft https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-at-dell-technologies-world-2022 | Apr 14 19:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Canonical at Dell Technologies World 2022 | Ubuntu | Apr 14 19:45 | |
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| techrights-news | Ostentatio Genitalium in Renaissance Art β The Public Domain Review β https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/ostentatio-genitalium/ "stentatio genitalium (the display of the genitals) refers to disparate traditions in Renaissance visual culture of attributing formal, thematic, and theological significance to the penis of Jesus." | Apr 14 19:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-publicdomainreview.org | *Ostentatio Genitalium* in Renaissance Art β The Public Domain Review | Apr 14 19:48 | |
| techrights-news | My ninth year working at Mozilla β https://alxgbsn.co.uk/2022/04/14/my-ninth-year-working-at-mozilla/ δ· Source: alxgbsn | Apr 14 19:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-alxgbsn.co.uk | My ninth year working at Mozilla β Alex Gibson | Apr 14 19:49 | |
| techrights-news | "Weβre pleased to announce that we have partnered with the Center for Humane Technology, a nonprofit organization that radically reimagines the digital infrastructure." https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/04/mozilla-partners-with-the-center-for-humane-technology/ WTH, Mozilla? | Apr 14 19:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hacks.mozilla.org | Mozilla partners with the Center for Humane Technology - Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog | Apr 14 19:50 | |
| techrights-news | While Mozilla pretends to be an ethical company it spies on Firefox users, outsources the work to proprietary Microsoft jail https://blog.mozilla.org/data/2022/04/13/this-week-in-glean-what-flips-your-bit/ | Apr 14 19:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | This Week in Glean: What Flips Your Bit? β Data@Mozilla | Apr 14 19:52 | |
| techrights-news | KDE neon 20220414 is out. I installed it today. https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=kdeneon | Apr 14 19:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DistroWatch.com: KDE neon | Apr 14 19:52 | |
| techrights-news | Proprietary software: "Under certain circumstances the session token is not cleared upon log out." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-104-02 | Apr 14 19:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | Johnson Controls Metasys | CISA | Apr 14 19:55 | |
| techrights-news | VMware proprietary shit will kill your business https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/14/cisa-adds-one-known-exploited-vulnerability-catalog see http://techrights.org/wiki/VMware#2022 | Apr 14 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | CISA Adds One Known Exploited Vulnerability to Catalog | CISA | Apr 14 19:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | VMware - Techrights | Apr 14 19:57 | |
| techrights-news | Mozilla Leftovers β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163726 | Apr 14 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 14 19:57 | |
| techrights-news | "This year I've decided to bite the bullet and properly try out hledger for personal accounting. It seems I need to commit to it properly if I'm to figure out whether it will work for me or not." https://jmtd.net/log/hledger/ | Apr 14 19:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jmtd.net | jmtd β log β hledger | Apr 14 19:59 | |
| techrights-news | Security Leftovers β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163727 | Apr 14 19:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 14 19:59 | |
| techrights-news | Top 10 Best GTK Themes For Ubuntu Linux (2022 Collection) β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163728 | Apr 14 20:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 10 Best GTK Themes For Ubuntu Linux (2022 Collection) | Tux Machines | Apr 14 20:03 | |
| techrights-news | 15 Practical Examples of Rsync Command in Linux β https://www.ubuntupit.com/practical-examples-of-rsync-command-in-linux/ δ· Source: UbuntuPIT | GNU | Linux | Apr 14 20:04 |
| -AltLink_b60/#techrights-π£ CloudFlare: ubuntupit.com | π Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ubuntupit.com/practical-examples-of-rsync-command-in-linux/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.ubuntupit.com/practical-examples-of-rsync-command-in-linux/ | Apr 14 20:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ubuntupit.com | 15 Practical Examples of Rsync Command in Linux | Apr 14 20:04 | |
| techrights-news | Reputation laundering of Zemlin et al, unrelated to Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163648#comment-33346 | Apr 14 20:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today's Linux Foundation Fluff | Tux Machines | Apr 14 20:06 | |
| techrights-news | Bitstream Vera Must Die https://dkg.fifthhorseman.net/bitstream-vera-must-die.html | Apr 14 20:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dkg.fifthhorseman.net | Bitstream Vera must die! | Apr 14 20:10 | |
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| techrights-news | A lot better than some other sponsors https://reproducible-builds.org/news/2022/04/14/supporter-spotlight-ardc/ see http://techrights.org/2021/04/29/with-sponsors-like-these/ | Apr 14 20:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Supporter spotlight: Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC) β reproducible-builds.org | Apr 14 20:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | With Sponsors Like These⦠| Techrights | Apr 14 20:12 | |
| techrights-news | Outsourcing very private things to Gulag is a bad idea, always. http://thomas.apestaart.org/log/?p=1665 | Apr 14 20:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thomas.apestaart.org Β» Draft emails from Google Docs | Apr 14 20:13 | |
| techrights-news | "Spam is just annoying, but phishing and especially, spear phishing attacks can also be dangerous. A recent security training, and a Twitter thread I started about it, changed my mind completely about how I treat these harmful e-mails." https://peter.czanik.hu/posts/phishing-and-spear-phishing/ | Apr 14 20:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-peter.czanik.hu | Phishing and spear phishing: report everything! | Random thoughts of Peter 'CzP' Czanik | Apr 14 20:14 | |
| techrights-news | This biofloc monitoring system is an innovative device to help with aquaculture | Arduino Blog β https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/13/this-biofloc-monitoring-system-is-an-innovative-device-to-help-with-aquaculture/ δ· Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking | Apr 14 20:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | This biofloc monitoring system is an innovative device to help with aquaculture | Arduino Blog | Apr 14 20:15 | |
| techrights-news | "Cisco has released security updates to address vulnerabilities in multiple Cisco products. An attacker could exploit some of these vulnerabilities to take control of an affected system." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/14/cisco-releases-security-updates-multiple-products | Apr 14 20:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | Cisco Releases Security Updates for Multiple Products | CISA | Apr 14 20:20 | |
| techrights-news | "Tools provided with Kubernetes continually make it easier for Java developers to build applications, store them in registries, and deploy images." https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/04/14/generate-helm-charts-your-java-application-using-jkube-part-1 | Apr 14 20:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Generate Helm charts for your Java application using JKube, Part 1 | Red Hat Developer | Apr 14 20:21 | |
| schestowitz | wth did lxer put this in the front page for? https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/13/vs_2022_mac/ | Apr 14 20:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Preview 9 of Visual Studio for Mac is out as GA approaches β’ The Register | Apr 14 20:24 | |
| techrights-news | Software patents article in OSI site... by Simon Phipps, for a change https://opensource.org/lets-get-open-source-voices-heard-by-the-eu-on-standards-essential-patents | Apr 14 20:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.org | Letβs get open source voices heard by the EU on standards essential patents | Open Source Initiative | Guaranteeing the 'our' in source... | Apr 14 20:25 | |
| techrights-news | Videos: Kubuntu 22.04 LTS and More β’ Tux Machines β¨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163729 | Apr 14 20:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Videos: Kubuntu 22.04 LTS and More | Tux Machines | Apr 14 20:26 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engrish.com | This is why you shouldnβt mix Chinese & Western foodsβ¦ | Apr 14 20:40 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engrish.com | The Mother of all Lunches⦠| Apr 14 21:14 | |
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| leah | schestowitz: today's item is: potato and leek soup | Apr 14 21:23 |
| matey | psydroid2 β I've never seen anything there that makes me go "that's insightful" | Apr 14 21:23 |
| SomeH4x0r | hi | Apr 14 21:23 |
| leah | always a different, random item every day | Apr 14 21:23 |
| matey | mmmmmm potatoes | Apr 14 21:23 |
| matey | hi someh4x0r | Apr 14 21:23 |
| leah | Β£0.10 for "potato and leak soup kit", serves 4. potatoes and leaks, pre-chopped. expires tonight. cook it and it lasts an extra day | Apr 14 21:24 |
| leah | can pad it with rice and lentils to make it last longer | Apr 14 21:24 |
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| matey | psydroid2 psydroid etc: its worse than that. not only is it a circlejerk responsible for very little | Apr 14 21:24 |
| leah | schestowitz: seriously, why does anyone pay for anything? | Apr 14 21:25 |
| matey | you wont find anyone in there saying much of interest, because a happy little mob would gently nudge them towards the door | Apr 14 21:25 |
| matey | then, when everyone with an actual idea has left, they say, as always | Apr 14 21:25 |
| matey | JOIN US AND HELP US FIGHT FOR YOUR FREEDOM! | Apr 14 21:25 |
| matey | how about no? how about, GO JOIN YOURSELF AND STICK IT UP YOUR BUM! | Apr 14 21:25 |
| matey | (just saying) | Apr 14 21:25 |
| matey | to be fair, rms said rougly the opposite yesterday. but the damage has already been done. | Apr 14 21:26 |
| matey | he said give us ideas so we can put them on the help page | Apr 14 21:26 |
| matey | its a bit late for that, the culture has ossified (osi-fied?) | Apr 14 21:26 |
| psydroid2 | it seems to be a social circle, not a technical circle anymore | Apr 14 21:26 |
| matey | its a mildly (unintentionally) elitist social circle | Apr 14 21:27 |
| matey | and theres nothing wrong with being technical. you and leah are BOTH more technical than i am | Apr 14 21:27 |
| matey | but neither are elitist. | Apr 14 21:27 |
| matey | its not just about you, you, you. and the people in #fsf dont mean it to be. but they just dont get it. | Apr 14 21:28 |
| matey | they dont mean it to be a tight little club. they literally cant help it. they would probably love to, if they had any idea how. | Apr 14 21:28 |
| matey | why cant they figure it out? they cant seem to reverse engineer a driver for their ears. | Apr 14 21:28 |
| matey | pity | Apr 14 21:28 |
| matey | even rms has demonstrated this problem (dramatically so) with regards to hardware | Apr 14 21:29 |
| matey | that alone is a huge problem, for reasons you and leah both can explain | Apr 14 21:29 |
| matey | but also an example of a larger (hearing) problem that rms passes down to his acolytes | Apr 14 21:29 |
| matey | and this was sustainable for a few decades, and has now collapsed | Apr 14 21:30 |
| matey | leaving any and all who truly care about such a legacy going forward to pick up and do with it what they will | Apr 14 21:30 |
| matey | it wasnt my first choice. my first (second, third) choice was for more of the "foundation" to stay intact | Apr 14 21:31 |
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| matey | but it couldnt, i suppose | Apr 14 21:31 |
| matey | i heard from a (libertarian) friend of mine today, named sage, who i told about the rms talk | Apr 14 21:32 |
| matey | not THAT sage, of course | Apr 14 21:32 |
| matey | she said bummer, but if its worth doing it will go on (with people doing as they see fit) | Apr 14 21:32 |
| matey | rms (like others) made one concession to "open source" in his talk yesterday | Apr 14 21:33 |
| matey | open source razed the temple and looted its contents, and murdered the high priest | Apr 14 21:34 |
| matey | rms is truly beaten | Apr 14 21:34 |
| matey | i listened to the talk three times yesterday. i told the chief gnewsance it was meant as a state of the union, but read more like articles of surrender | Apr 14 21:35 |
| matey | i know it wasnt intended that way. which makes it all that much sadder | Apr 14 21:36 |
| psydroid2 | everything has a beginning and an end | Apr 14 21:37 |
| psydroid2 | and then a new cycle starts | Apr 14 21:37 |
| matey | <psydroid2> and then a new cycle starts <- you took my response, but its alright | Apr 14 21:37 |
| matey | i will be one of the people who always sees rms as the founder of all this | Apr 14 21:39 |
| matey | however, even with that | Apr 14 21:39 |
| matey | ill give credit to those who pushed just as notably early on | Apr 14 21:39 |
| matey | like gilmore | Apr 14 21:39 |
| matey | lessig stole stallmans ideas, proudly, and was never shy to admit it | Apr 14 21:40 |
| matey | i adore him | Apr 14 21:40 |
| matey | lessig is the shit | Apr 14 21:40 |
| matey | pity cc is even farther from its founder than the fsf is from its own | Apr 14 21:40 |
| matey | stallman stole his ideas too. though im not sure he did so deliberately, it certainly wasnt from open source, and i doubt he realises how far from original his idea really was | Apr 14 21:41 |
| matey | kingoffrance would probably argue that no idea is original, and i would agree | Apr 14 21:42 |
| matey | only sins are original, and even then very very few of them :) | Apr 14 21:42 |
| matey | (im mostly thinking of the vatican rag, one of of the funniest and silliest songs ive ever heard) | Apr 14 21:43 |
| matey | i dont like torvalds. i really dislike him. hes a schmuck. | Apr 14 21:45 |
| matey | however, i still think hes better than gkh and i think if he hadnt been cancelled he would have chosen a better successor (and that was the point) | Apr 14 21:46 |
| matey | rms too has lost the opportunity to find a successor. he will support whoever they put in front of them, having little real choice or power. | Apr 14 21:46 |
| matey | and he will hope for the best. as if thats all any of us can do. and we will be asked to join him in that. | Apr 14 21:47 |
| matey | but just as lessig says the point of elections is to choose from a very small pool of people already selected by primaries controlled by money | Apr 14 21:47 |
| matey | the fsf will move into place people not worth our time as stallmans successor | Apr 14 21:48 |
| matey | and it will be painfully obvious, but we will still be expected to give our support. | Apr 14 21:48 |
| matey | at that point it will be good to remember that the fsf has no real authority | Apr 14 21:48 |
| matey | it had cultural relevance, and it will still have historical relevance, and (imo) it betrayed us all several times | Apr 14 21:49 |
| matey | mostly by capitulating to its own enemies-- and then asking us to join it in doing so | Apr 14 21:49 |
| matey | but, fuck that. | Apr 14 21:49 |
| matey | it wouldnt be anything remotely like the first progressive institution to make such a fatal mistake, and become irrelevant as a result | Apr 14 21:50 |
| matey | nor does progress end with the end of such institutions | Apr 14 21:50 |
| matey | nor do fake things like open source preclude the possibility of non-cynical alternatives | Apr 14 21:50 |
| psydroid2 | you have to be willing to make yourself obsolete | Apr 14 21:51 |
| matey | just because open source is fake doesnt mean every alternative will be | Apr 14 21:51 |
| psydroid2 | as an individual or as an organisation | Apr 14 21:51 |
| matey | imagine if the wright brothers had tried to control the apollo mission | Apr 14 21:51 |
| matey | "no no, no, you need balsa flaps to make sure the rocket can steer towards its course!" | Apr 14 21:52 |
| matey | well i mean, with that level of thrust balsa flaps are probably fucking useless (though im not a rocket scientist) | Apr 14 21:52 |
| matey | (neither are the wright brothers) | Apr 14 21:52 |
| matey | imagine if einstein had told hawking to go fuck himself, or if we had left relativity up to newton | Apr 14 21:53 |
| matey | these are all very important people we owe swaths of scientific progress to | Apr 14 21:53 |
| matey | none are small or unimportant | Apr 14 21:53 |
| matey | but free software in its present state cant sustain (or even defend) itself | Apr 14 21:54 |
| matey | it has failed | Apr 14 21:54 |
| matey | and it must go on somehow | Apr 14 21:54 |
| matey | trying to stand up to the war on general computing, with the tools the fsf has available | Apr 14 21:54 |
| matey | is like trying to figure out quantum mechanics with newtons laws of motion | Apr 14 21:55 |
| matey | we must have new strategies-- they wont be entirely unlike the old strategies | Apr 14 21:55 |
| matey | but just like you cant put an ancient copy of apache up and then secure it with old versions of security tools | Apr 14 21:56 |
| matey | we need bigger upgrades than the fsf can organise | Apr 14 21:56 |
| matey | or is willing to organise | Apr 14 21:56 |
| matey | and im not arguing for bloat-- im saying that the fsf is a bloated poorly maintained mess | Apr 14 21:57 |
| matey | dont fix whats not broken | Apr 14 21:57 |
| matey | but fix whatever has failed | Apr 14 21:57 |
| psydroid2 | scientific development always goes on after branching out in several directions | Apr 14 22:04 |
| matey | it has to explore new possibilities | Apr 14 22:04 |
| matey | many of which will prove to be dead ends-- but without exploring, youre already at a dead end | Apr 14 22:05 |
| matey | the fsfs approach was nearly confucianist in its nature | Apr 14 22:07 |
| matey | we have thousands of years of experience with the limitations of such an approach | Apr 14 22:07 |
| matey | but we actually hit the limit a few years ago | Apr 14 22:08 |
| matey | im not saying it couldnt have gone on longer, it was certainly attacked | Apr 14 22:09 |
| matey | but it didnt stand up to it, as much as they put a brave face on everything-- no one is fooled | Apr 14 22:09 |
| matey | theyre standing on their own ruins | Apr 14 22:09 |
| matey | they refuse to learn from the experience, except to capitulate further, which they were already doing when the attacks started | Apr 14 22:10 |
| matey | we learn. we apply. they insist. we ignore. | Apr 14 22:11 |
| matey | we have already parted ways with them. | Apr 14 22:11 |
| matey | newtons inertia still applies. it drags the divorce out. | Apr 14 22:13 |
| matey | we divide up all our things-- thousands of them. the difference from a traditional divorce being that copies are as good as the originals, but we still have to decide what to take with us. | Apr 14 22:14 |
| matey | it will be a vaugely similar process if mankind ever makes it out of the solar system | Apr 14 22:15 |
| matey | this planet wont sustain us forever even if we learn to stop destroying it | Apr 14 22:16 |
| matey | but if we make it that far, we will leave the solar nest | Apr 14 22:16 |
| matey | and the sun will explode | Apr 14 22:17 |
| matey | and they wont elect a new one | Apr 14 22:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engrish.com | Hair so good youβll be saying WTF! | Apr 14 22:22 | |
| matey | https://yewtu.be/watch?v=oOm_2dGzqp0 | Apr 14 22:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Shaka Zulu vs Julius Caesar. Epic Rap Battles of History - Invidious | Apr 14 22:23 | |
| matey | caesar will fall | Apr 14 22:23 |
| matey | but not to shaka zulu | Apr 14 22:24 |
| MinceR | dundee will fall | Apr 14 22:24 |
| matey | <MinceR> dundee will fall https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KDjfLpbfR4o | Apr 14 22:28 |
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| MinceR | indeed | Apr 14 22:28 |
| matey | thanks, i wasnt expecting heavy metal unicorns | Apr 14 22:28 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 14 22:29 |
| matey | if jack black ever makes a sequel to school of rock this needs to be in it | Apr 14 22:30 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 14 22:30 |
| matey | the points on the corners of the font are too much | Apr 14 22:34 |
| matey | im never going to look at the metallica logo the same way ever again | Apr 14 22:34 |
| matey | "why are the letters like that?" | Apr 14 22:34 |
| matey | "those are unicorn horns" | Apr 14 22:35 |
| matey | "oh" | Apr 14 22:35 |
| matey | "wait, what?" | Apr 14 22:35 |
| matey | "On 22 August 2021, Gloryhammer announced that Thomas Winkler had exited the band.[18] Winkler addressed the situation, stating he was fired via an email that cited the band's reasons for his departure as disagreements on business and organizational matters." | Apr 14 22:37 |
| matey | it wasnt that. they just thought his name wasnt metal enough | Apr 14 22:38 |
| matey | "oh cmon, what about the fonz? aaaaaaaaaaayy" | Apr 14 22:38 |
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| MinceR | (cat) (no audio) https://i.imgur.com/k1f601h.mp4 | Apr 14 22:52 |
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| matey | (slightly less metal version) https://yewtu.be/watch?v=17o1OlroNSE | Apr 14 22:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Space Unicorn - Parry Gripp and Brianne Drouhard - Invidious | Apr 14 22:55 | |
| matey | closer to the beatles when they still sang "yeah yeah yeah" in their lyrics | Apr 14 22:56 |
| matey | not so metal | Apr 14 22:56 |
| chunky | \m/ METAL AF \m/ | Apr 14 22:57 |
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| *psydruid saw Megadeth live in concert but not Metallica | Apr 14 23:05 | |
| matey | you made the right choice | Apr 14 23:05 |
| matey | i wont lie, i was never really a megadeth fan | Apr 14 23:05 |
| matey | but if i could go back and give a shit about them instead, that would be alright | Apr 14 23:06 |
| matey | im not ashamed that i liked metallica. i dont think they actually sucked back then | Apr 14 23:06 |
| matey | by the time i was in high school though, i could only laugh and shake my head | Apr 14 23:06 |
| matey | the first two cds i bought were weird al and metallicas selftitled (deny) album | Apr 14 23:08 |
| psydruid | I don't have any of Megadeth's albums and I do have the older Metallica albums, but I don't really know what they're about anymore these days | Apr 14 23:08 |
| matey | i honestly think rock sort of died in the past 15 years or so | Apr 14 23:08 |
| matey | the last time i heard a rock band that actually sounded like a rock band, it was anvil (dave grohl was saying how great they were. he was also really smashed) | Apr 14 23:09 |
| matey | gloryhammer is more recent, they sound fun at least but when i was listening i was like "shit, i hope theyre not white supremacists" | Apr 14 23:10 |
| matey | probably not, if mincer was referencing them | Apr 14 23:10 |
| matey | but like thats where we are with rock music sort of... | Apr 14 23:10 |
| matey | to be fair i REALLY havent been paying attention, im happy if im wrong | Apr 14 23:10 |
| matey | still if i hear anything metal i have no idea what im listening to | Apr 14 23:10 |
| matey | i still look like a MIGHT play a bass though | Apr 14 23:11 |
| matey | or sell organic smoothies, one of the two. | Apr 14 23:11 |
| psydruid | I sort of grew up with rock and metal, but as you said it doesn't seem to really be in vogue anymore | Apr 14 23:14 |
| matey | and i dont care whats in, i still like some of the stuff i liked as a little kid | Apr 14 23:14 |
| matey | beatles, lennon, phil collins, huey lewis | Apr 14 23:14 |
| matey | and i like a lot of electronica | Apr 14 23:15 |
| matey | with rock i think its either sincere or its bullshit | Apr 14 23:15 |
| matey | and i think most rock is... i dont know what the fuck it is | Apr 14 23:15 |
| matey | it went through a really bad patch for a while and i havent picked it back up | Apr 14 23:16 |
| psydruid | I listen to all kinds of things these days, as long as I believe it's good music | Apr 14 23:16 |
| matey | i blame california. | Apr 14 23:16 |
| matey | yeah good music is good music | Apr 14 23:16 |
| matey | i fucking hate country, its my least favourite genre 10 times over | Apr 14 23:16 |
| matey | even there there are exceptions | Apr 14 23:16 |
| matey | i like klezmer, i wasnt expecting that | Apr 14 23:16 |
| matey | but i had a friend who played accordion for a klezmer band | Apr 14 23:17 |
| matey | what can i tell you | Apr 14 23:17 |
| psydruid | I got some klezmer music from Poland when I was living there | Apr 14 23:17 |
| psydruid | I haven't listened to a lot of it, though | Apr 14 23:18 |
| matey | https://yewtu.be/watch?v=QOrrNM4md8c yes, roundabout | Apr 14 23:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Yes - Roundabout (Original 1971) - Invidious | Apr 14 23:18 | |
| MinceR | rocktronica | Apr 14 23:19 |
| matey | theres a klezmer version of "talk dirty to me" but i like the original better | Apr 14 23:19 |
| *XRevan86 will take this time to listen to Yes β Roundabout for no reason whatsoever. | Apr 14 23:19 | |
| matey | its time well spent | Apr 14 23:19 |
| matey | i love bobby mcferrin and reggie watts | Apr 14 23:20 |
| psydruid | I used to listen to quite a bit of electronic music but these days mostly for nostalgic reasons | Apr 14 23:20 |
| XRevan86 | matey: I absolutely love it. | Apr 14 23:20 |
| psydruid | rocktronica is cool | Apr 14 23:20 |
| psydruid | oh, yes | Apr 14 23:21 |
| matey | https://yewtu.be/watch?v=344OpaQCAQI | Apr 14 23:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Reggie Watts (Key & Peele outro song) 'I Just Want To' (2009) - Invidious | Apr 14 23:21 | |
| matey | XRevan86: yes is fucking epic | Apr 14 23:21 |
| XRevan86 | It's the part of my music tastes where people say "the heck is this?" | Apr 14 23:21 |
| psydruid | always heard that name but never really listened to them | Apr 14 23:21 |
| matey | i grew up on british music and "oldies" but not in the uk | Apr 14 23:22 |
| matey | the first solo artist i liked was phil collins | Apr 14 23:22 |
| XRevan86 | Italian music here. | Apr 14 23:22 |
| matey | my favourite song this week is some random accordion song played on a bus by some middle aged man in belarus | Apr 14 23:23 |
| matey | if its not that good i wouldnt be able to tell you, im no expert | Apr 14 23:23 |
| psydruid | Indian music here and rock, metal and electronica mostly from the 90s | Apr 14 23:23 |
| psydruid | so I don't really know much from the 70s and before | Apr 14 23:24 |
| matey | i still love counting crows-- though when i teased dfc about finding it in his buicks cd player i was teasing | Apr 14 23:24 |
| matey | 90s music had fucking depth | Apr 14 23:24 |
| matey | even the pop music (sometimes) | Apr 14 23:25 |
| psydruid | that's a good band, I have some of their albums | Apr 14 23:25 |
| matey | there was a lot of shit too. i still like aqua :) | Apr 14 23:25 |
| psydruid | from the 90s, yes | Apr 14 23:25 |
| psydruid | oh :) | Apr 14 23:25 |
| matey | i have no pride-- i was a debbie gibson fan. | Apr 14 23:25 |
| matey | she cant be all bad, she loves billy joel. | Apr 14 23:26 |
| matey | of course no one says anything after that | Apr 14 23:27 |
| matey | "the swastika tattoo was one thing, but debbie gibson?" (i made up the tattoo part) | Apr 14 23:28 |
| matey | theres a true story, from trent reznor, that sometimes to get pumped up before going on stage he would listen to cece peniston | Apr 14 23:29 |
| matey | i remember her. its fucking hilarious. | Apr 14 23:29 |
| matey | hes too much | Apr 14 23:29 |
| psydruid | haha | Apr 14 23:31 |
| psydruid | I know he had something with tori amos | Apr 14 23:31 |
| matey | https://yewtu.be/watch?v=g4ouPGGLI6Q | Apr 14 23:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Focus - Hocus Pocus Live '73 - Invidious | Apr 14 23:33 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/22040310 | Apr 14 23:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/dd5lwn785wp81.jpg created on 2022-04-03 06:05:22.118991 | Apr 14 23:35 | |
| matey | i have no idea how much coke you have to do to perform that song, but it cant be healthy | Apr 14 23:38 |
| psydruid | Free as a bird => Freebird | Apr 14 23:44 |
| matey | https://yewtu.be/watch?v=NSfOB8ANdWU | Apr 14 23:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Gerry Rafferty - Right Down the Line - Invidious | Apr 14 23:53 | |
| matey | and of course https://yewtu.be/search?q=adrian+belew | Apr 14 23:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | adrian belew - Invidious | Apr 14 23:56 | |
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