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MinceRXonotic hasn't moved yet officiallyJun 17 00:01
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MinceRthey were waiting for a Matrix bridge which was already sorted out, afaikJun 17 00:01
MathAmphetamineReactOS is going to leave IRCJun 17 00:04
sebsebsebsebDaemonFC:  techrights  was happy on the new Freenode or so  I thoughtJun 17 00:04
sebsebsebsebMathAmphetamine: completly? that would be ashameJun 17 00:04
sebsebsebsebMathAmphetamine: been to the react os stand in brussels the last few  years it was on, that was something :)Jun 17 00:05
*MathAmphetamine is now known as CrystalMathJun 17 00:05
DaemonFCReactOS set out to clone Windows 95 and 26 years later, I hear they're very close.Jun 17 00:05
XRevan86MathAmphetamine: ughJun 17 00:05
CrystalMathReactOS uses Mattermost primarilyJun 17 00:05
DaemonFCThey were pitching the idea to Pretend Russian President stand-in Medvedev of state funding at one point.Jun 17 00:06
XRevan86They did. Whatever.Jun 17 00:06
DaemonFCThe funny part is it wouldn't be a bad idea for the Russian government to fund it.Jun 17 00:06
XRevan86DaemonFC: I doubt it.Jun 17 00:07
DaemonFCRunning Windows is more expensive and not in their best interests.Jun 17 00:07
DaemonFCIt's also a treadmill. You build anything for it and then "upgrade" and it stops working even though Windows itself is not more useful.Jun 17 00:08
XRevan86DaemonFC: A buggy Windows knock-off is not it either.Jun 17 00:08
MinceRwindows knock-offs are expected to be buggyJun 17 00:08
DaemonFCI got put in the doghouse early on for a middling review of Windows Me.Jun 17 00:08
MinceRthey wouldn't be like the original otherwiseJun 17 00:09
XRevan86MinceR: They're differently buggy, which is not right.Jun 17 00:09
DaemonFCThe problem of System File Protection wasn't that Microsoft did it. It's that they weren't doing it all along.Jun 17 00:09
MinceRindeed, but bugs are difficult to copyJun 17 00:09
DaemonFCApplications got used to dll stomping being allowed, and then they all did it, and then there was a complete mess, and by the time Microsoft did anything about it, the solution broke those programs.Jun 17 00:09
MinceRah, salix _did_ move, but they didn't announce it on their IRC channelJun 17 00:10
XRevan86MinceR: That's prudent :)Jun 17 00:11
MinceR:>Jun 17 00:11
XRevan86MinceR: Messages aren't logged, so that's the usual approach for announcement.Jun 17 00:13
XRevan86just cast everyone and tellJun 17 00:13
XRevan86if ye're not there for it, then toughJun 17 00:13
sebsebsebsebMinceR: 17 00:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | JingPad Linux Tablet Crowdfunding Campaign is Now Live - OMG! Ubuntu!Jun 17 00:13
sebsebsebsebMinceR: that looks interesting :)Jun 17 00:13
DaemonFCThat idiot that Roy linked to.....Jun 17 00:13
sebsebsebsebMinceR: it's a bit Apple inspired though :DJun 17 00:14
DaemonFCThe fact that China isn't running laps around the UK with an aircraft carrier right now doesn't mean they have no aggressive ambitions.Jun 17 00:14
DaemonFCIt means they're patient enough to wait until the west finishes self-destructing before they move in further.Jun 17 00:14
techrights-bot/fn#JingPad #Linux Tablet Crowdfunding Campaign is Now Live 17 00:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Crowdfunding for the JingPad A1 Linux tablet begins | Tux MachinesJun 17 00:14
sebsebsebsebDaemonFC: yep to get people like me using the tablet   that's the agreesive strategy LOLJun 17 00:15
DaemonFCIf you start acting aggressive while other countries can still stop you, then scrapping their military to save money in the national budget becomes impossible to sell to the public.Jun 17 00:15
schestowitzgood to see China taking gnu/linux forwardJun 17 00:15
schestowitzbut... not sure how "freedom-respecting" this isJun 17 00:15
DaemonFCI saw a report about the UK losing blue sea navy capabilities by the middle of the century.Jun 17 00:16
DaemonFCBut it could happen sooner, I suppose.Jun 17 00:16
sebsebsebsebschestowitz: exactly indeed looks like some bits witll be propritary etc, when you read the blog postJun 17 00:16
DaemonFCThey're like Illinois the country, really.Jun 17 00:16
DaemonFCLike most countries in Western Europe.Jun 17 00:16
MinceRsebsebsebseb: what's crApple-inspired about that?Jun 17 00:17
sebsebsebsebschestowitz: uh did you just take the story from my shared ink etc, and put on tux machines ?Jun 17 00:17
sebsebsebsebMinceR: the way the interface is like in some ways, that's one thing I thinkJun 17 00:17
sebsebsebsebMinceR: its supooused to be a bit like a Ipad, but running Linux, and then can even do android apps some how it seemsJun 17 00:17
DaemonFCToo much government manipulation in the economy. That goes on in a lot of places because they have lobbyists and pressure to make employment numbers not look fucking terrible even though they gave away their industry.Jun 17 00:17
MinceRi see the driver situation isn't exactly greatJun 17 00:18
MinceRwith the JingPadJun 17 00:18
MinceRmaybe the PineTab is betterJun 17 00:18
schestowitz 17 00:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Developer chat moving | KritaJun 17 00:18
schestowitzx 17 00:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The growing threat of European tech regulation on US innovationJun 17 00:18
schestowitzBS lobbyingJun 17 00:19
XRevan86schestowitz: That's not interesting. The interesting ones are the ones that stayed.Jun 17 00:19
DaemonFCThe driver situation usually isn't great on any OS. Either the vendor halfasses their own proprietary driver and then gives up as soon as they're not making more money off that piece of hardware, or they do an open source driver but don't document what any of it means and do call outs to binary firmwares that nobody is allowed to decompile.Jun 17 00:19
DaemonFCLike Nvidia on the first half and Intel on the other.Jun 17 00:19
XRevan86Not staying is the default.Jun 17 00:19
MinceRlol @ screen dimming despite mouse being moved all the timeJun 17 00:19
sebsebsebsebMinceR: what on the tablet or ?Jun 17 00:20
MinceRyesJun 17 00:20
sebsebsebsebohJun 17 00:20
DaemonFCI can do better. Windows not accepting my fingerprint about 10% of the time my screen has been locked.Jun 17 00:20
sebsebsebsebI think it would be intersging device to have but it'sl ike 500 poundsJun 17 00:20
sebsebsebseblooks like it will happen thoughJun 17 00:20
sebsebsebsebsince all the interest in the crowd fund they already  had and such Jun 17 00:20
sebsebsebsebapparnatly some of the hardware in it is a bit 2017 thoughJun 17 00:20
MinceRUI looks like KDEJun 17 00:21
sebsebsebsebalso no joey on omgubuntu it's not just a 99 dollar t shirt, it's a meal wit hthe developrs it turns out too :)Jun 17 00:21
sebsebsebsebMinceR: yes it's meant to be like KDE Jun 17 00:21
MinceRincluding those annoying fullscreen splash screens every time you start something :>Jun 17 00:21
sebsebsebsebas wellJun 17 00:21
schestowitzin a moment I'll post tons of linux news... must catch up after being away for many hoursJun 17 00:22
schestowitzusers in freenode now up to 60Jun 17 00:22
phobos/fnlolJun 17 00:22
DaemonFCThis Microsoft D3D 12 Mesa thing is quite troubling.Jun 17 00:22
schestowitzfrom around 50 yesterdayJun 17 00:22
schestowitz85 or 84 two days agoJun 17 00:22
DaemonFCThat a project lets itself be used like this, where there's no possible FOSS use case for this state tracker.Jun 17 00:23
DaemonFCIt could only possibly benefit Microsoft.Jun 17 00:23
sebsebsebsebmain Linux related news is that Mincer is going to get rid of all his Linux installs,  since he can't be bothered anymore with a non system d system anymore, and he is going to switch to Apple Mac OS X as his full time OS for a laughJun 17 00:23
MinceRthat makes a lot of senseJun 17 00:23
MinceRsebsebsebseb: so, when did crApple adopt systemd?Jun 17 00:23
DaemonFCThey use "LaunchD".Jun 17 00:23
DaemonFCUbuntu glossed it over and declared it unsuitable back in 2006.Jun 17 00:24
MinceRlaunchd is not the sameJun 17 00:24
sebsebsebseboh yeah he's poor in Hungary too, so on top of that, it's a older Mac with a older version of Mac OS XJun 17 00:25
MinceRi'm not so poor that i couldn't buy all the crApple productsJun 17 00:26
MinceRi just don't like spending my money on shitJun 17 00:26
schestowitzwhat is launchd?Jun 17 00:27
schestowitzserious question btwJun 17 00:27
sebsebsebsebMinceR: nope your own personal shit is free I think,   hey DaemonFC want some of it :D ?Jun 17 00:28
MinceRcrApple's "init system" that tries to do too muchJun 17 00:28
MinceRone of the inspirations for systemdJun 17 00:28
DaemonFCNo, you might be thinking of Service Management Framework from Solaris.Jun 17 00:28
MinceRjordan hubbard wanted FreeBSD to adopt itJun 17 00:28
techrights-bot/fnThey mean cracking 17 00:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Critical entities targeted in suspected Chinese cyber spyingJun 17 00:28
MinceRyeah, that's another oneJun 17 00:28
CrystalMathhey does this server do SASL?Jun 17 00:29
DaemonFCYes, it does.Jun 17 00:29
CrystalMathnice, i'll set it upJun 17 00:29
XRevan86sebsebsebseb: It's hard to be happy about freenode right now.Jun 17 00:30
MinceRseems to me many people are happy about itJun 17 00:30
sebsebsebsebXRevan86: wel we dind't expect him to just get rid of all the old stuff nopeJun 17 00:30
sebsebsebsebschestowitz: why didn't you switch techrights to  libera ?Jun 17 00:30
XRevan86MinceR: Really? Who?Jun 17 00:30
CrystalMathi want to install hyperion-ircd to experience memoriesJun 17 00:30
CrystalMathsebsebsebseb: screw illiberaJun 17 00:30
sebsebsebsebCrystalMath: why ?Jun 17 00:30
CrystalMathRMS haters, anti-free-speech idiotsJun 17 00:30
MinceRXRevan86: people on illiberaJun 17 00:30
sebsebsebsebCrystalMath: who ?Jun 17 00:31
CrystalMathsebsebsebseb: liberians, that's whoJun 17 00:31
sebsebsebsebMinceR: most people on freenode went thereJun 17 00:31
CrystalMathsebsebsebseb: and that's a shameJun 17 00:31
CrystalMathrunning into the hands of oppressorsJun 17 00:31
XRevan86MinceR: Ah, not sure if they're happy about their old work just turning to dust.Jun 17 00:31
MinceRnot the staffJun 17 00:31
MinceRthough i suppose the old staff are also happy to see freenode sufferJun 17 00:32
CrystalMathi'm going to set up on localhost a little hyperion-ircdJun 17 00:32
techrights-bot/fnA @PINE64 June update: new hardware and more on the way #gnu #linuxJun 17 00:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | June update: new hardware and more on the wayJun 17 00:32
CrystalMathand i'm going to recreate freenode from 2008 on itJun 17 00:32
sebsebsebsebCrystalMath: RMS haters ayeJun 17 00:32
sebsebsebsebno mostp eopel respct him Jun 17 00:32
CrystalMathif someone has a motd from then, paste it to me pleaseJun 17 00:32
sebsebsebsebint open sourceJun 17 00:32
sebsebsebsebi thinkJun 17 00:32
techrights-bot/fn#finland out to delete #ProprietarySoftware as a start... 17 00:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | European cooperation in cyber security increases, proposal on Finland’s Coordination Centre sent out for comments - Ministry of Transport and CommunicationsJun 17 00:32
CrystalMathsebsebsebseb: libera staff signed the letter against RMSJun 17 00:32
CrystalMathsebsebsebseb: libera staff said they want to ban people who say the US election was stolenJun 17 00:33
CrystalMathwell one personJun 17 00:33
sebsebsebsebCrystalMath: what so where did free software founadtion go to on irc then ?Jun 17 00:33
CrystalMathsadly thereJun 17 00:33
MinceRthere are some people spamming channels about freenode and illibera with some crapJun 17 00:33
sebsebsebsebreally hmmJun 17 00:33
CrystalMathbut they put themselves into the hands of oppressorsJun 17 00:33
MinceRthe FSF ran into the arms of their enemiesJun 17 00:34
MinceRtheir founder was cancelled once already, they didn't learn from thatJun 17 00:34
sebsebsebsebseems the world is a it mesesd up right now in certina weyasJun 17 00:34
MinceRi guess we'll have to reorganize what's left of the movement in cellsJun 17 00:34
sebsebsebsebthe covid stuffJun 17 00:34
sebsebsebsebin the UK, maybe something I read earlier to do iwth co op and gb neews new channel not  sure, need to read more into thatJun 17 00:34
sebsebsebsebin Engalnd  our freedom day of June 21st nopeJun 17 00:34
sebsebsebsebJuly 29th instead apparnatlyJun 17 00:35
sebsebsebsebsome indina strain going aroudn despite how most people stayedi nside the countryJun 17 00:35
sebsebsebsebindianJun 17 00:35
sebsebsebseband then all this IRCrubbish too  to do with Freenode as wellJun 17 00:35
sebsebsebsebso I am on three networks right now instead ofo neJun 17 00:35
sebsebsebsebhereJun 17 00:35
sebsebsebsebliberaJun 17 00:35
sebsebsebsebthe new freenodeJun 17 00:35
sebsebsebsebyes konversation can do more than one network, but easier to just be on one networkJun 17 00:36
XRevan86sebsebsebseb: The way the channels I'm in are, I'm on two networks.Jun 17 00:36
MinceRsebsebsebseb: is that a significant load for your computer?Jun 17 00:36
sebsebsebsebMinceR: yep since I run the leaked version of Mincer OSJun 17 00:36
sebsebsebsebMinceR: it works rather rubbisheyJun 17 00:36
MinceRi'm on 11 networksJun 17 00:37
MinceRload average: 0.06, 0.05, 0.00Jun 17 00:37
sebsebsebsebit can just abuot handle being on IRC, with this MinceR OS thingJun 17 00:37
MinceRthe vps isn't exactly straining to keep upJun 17 00:37
CrystalMathsebsebsebseb: i'm sure that libera will ban any criticism of lockdowns / vaccines / masks (doesn't mean i'm against the latter two)Jun 17 00:37
sebsebsebsebCrystalMath: on libera i don't think soJun 17 00:38
sebsebsebsebit's basically  freenodeJun 17 00:38
sebsebsebsebmost peopel gone thereJun 17 00:38
sebsebsebsebexcept for you lotJun 17 00:38
CrystalMathold freenode didn't allow itJun 17 00:38
CrystalMathnew freenode is free speechJun 17 00:38
techrights-bot/fn"Linux gamers using the Valve’s Proton compatibility tool to run Windows games on their systems will be soon getting a performance upgrade as Nvidia has announced that it’s working with Valve to bring FPS boosts using its DLSS technology featured on RTX cards." 17 00:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nvidia partnering with Valve to bring DLSS to Linux | DigitJun 17 00:39
CrystalMathsebsebsebseb: i'm not one of those idiots that believes in canceling peopleJun 17 00:40
sebsebsebsebCrystalMath: I think in general n some communits if you go al anti vacine pubically peoel going to get a bit uhJun 17 00:40
sebsebsebsebsame for masks in some situationsJun 17 00:40
sebsebsebsebCrystalMath: what you mean cancelign peopel ?Jun 17 00:40
techrights-bot/fnThe 12 Best #Games to Play on Your #Chromebook in 2021 17 00:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The 12 Best Games to Play on Your Chromebook in 2021 - Make Tech EasierJun 17 00:40
CrystalMathsebsebsebseb: oh you know, cancel cultureJun 17 00:40
CrystalMathread about it on wikipedia, i don't wish to get worked up explaining what it meansJun 17 00:40
sebsebsebsebwe will cancel MinceR and put hm to death !Jun 17 00:40
CrystalMathugh, i'll only stay on this channel from now on, the freenode one pings me because of the bridgeJun 17 00:41
CrystalMathand i fully respect techrights's decision to be independent and self-hostingJun 17 00:41
schestowitzfreenode is always thereJun 17 00:41
sebsebsebsebCrystalMath: yes and your messages end up on freenode too, becaus of the bridgeJun 17 00:41
schestowitzand that's goodJun 17 00:41
CrystalMathsebsebsebseb: that's goodJun 17 00:42
schestowitzfreenode should stop engineering its own scandalsJun 17 00:42
CrystalMathsebsebsebseb: well as you can see it can sometimes lose its data :PJun 17 00:42
sebsebsebsebCrystalMath: oh yours will be kept on there in particularJun 17 00:42
MinceRi doubt there was much engineering involvedJun 17 00:42
CrystalMathsebsebsebseb: why in particular?Jun 17 00:42
schestowitzright, exactly, MinceRJun 17 00:42
schestowitzbut they showed an example of self-inflicted harmJun 17 00:43
sebsebsebsebCrystalMath: since you are a bad person :DJun 17 00:43
sebsebsebsebA bad man !Jun 17 00:43
CrystalMathwhy? :(Jun 17 00:43
sebsebsebsebyou just are :DJun 17 00:43
sebsebsebseba bit like MinceRJun 17 00:43
sebsebsebsebha haJun 17 00:43
CrystalMathi simply believe in things that i believe in, like individual freedomJun 17 00:43
XRevan86CrystalMath: Would be better if freenode had RELAYMSG, ye know?Jun 17 00:44
sebsebsebsebDaemonFC too he's been in trouble with hte cops in the US  I beliveJun 17 00:44
CrystalMathi fight for that on every frontJun 17 00:44
CrystalMathXRevan86: does it require privileges?Jun 17 00:44
MinceRsebsebsebseb: because of my race or because of my gender?Jun 17 00:44
XRevan86CrystalMath: Yes, but freenode needs to support it first.Jun 17 00:44
sebsebsebsebMinceR: bothJun 17 00:44
MinceRi seeJun 17 00:44
sebsebsebsebMinceR: Hungaries are a bit uh    some lolJun 17 00:44
XRevan86CrystalMath: 17 00:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-inspircd-contrib/m_relaymsg.cpp at master · inspircd/inspircd-contrib · GitHubJun 17 00:45
sebsebsebseband  men are seen as bad Jun 17 00:45
techrights-bot/fn"Want another game engine reimplementation to play Quake II? Yamagi Quake II is another that's quite advanced and big new release is available with Vulkan support." 17 00:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Alternate Quake II game engine Yamagi Quake II adds optional Vulkan support | GamingOnLinuxJun 17 00:45
techrights-bot/fn"Want another game engine reimplementation to play Quake II? Yamagi Quake II is another that's quite advanced and big new release is available with Vulkan support." 17 00:45
schestowitzXRevan86: is that ircd any good in general. better than previous features-wise?Jun 17 00:46
MinceRit's a bit flakyJun 17 00:47
XRevan86schestowitz: I have absolutely no idea. All I know is that this is C→C++Jun 17 00:47
MinceRi was told i'll have to upgrade irssi so i won't get an extra : at the start of mode parametersJun 17 00:47
MinceRfor now, irssi doesn't notice people having their modes changedJun 17 00:47
XRevan86schestowitz: Ariadne should have expertise here.Jun 17 00:47
techrights-bot/fnControl AMD's Wraith cooler RGB on Linux using #WraithMaster with a new release | GamingOnLinux ⚓ 17 00:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Control AMD's Wraith cooler RGB on Linux using Wraith Master with a new release | GamingOnLinuxJun 17 00:47
sebsebsebsebMinceR: you bad bad bad Man !Jun 17 00:48
MinceRupgrading irssi isn't exactly that easy on fixed releaseJun 17 00:48
sebsebsebsebCrystalMath   your a sweet heart compared to MinceR but still a bad man too ha haJun 17 00:48
techrights-bot/fnTwo Point Campus is coming to Linux from the Two Point Hospital team | GamingOnLinux ⚓ ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in 17 00:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Two Point Campus is coming to Linux from the Two Point Hospital team | GamingOnLinuxJun 17 00:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsJun 17 00:48
XRevan86schestowitz: But I think that this is very subjective territory, as Solanum is very actively developed.Jun 17 00:49
XRevan86schestowitz: And comparing ircd-seven with something and Solanum with something is differentJun 17 00:49
MinceRthe f channel mode is kind of neat thoughJun 17 00:49
techrights-bot/fnWine and #Nvidia on Wayland, #Ubuntu Pro goes Google, and THAT Firefox redesign - Linux News June #gnu #linuxJun 17 00:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wine and Nvidia on Wayland, Ubuntu Pro goes Google, and THAT Firefox redesign - Linux News June - YouTubeJun 17 00:49
techrights-bot/fnmintCast 363 - Audacity Rewind ⚓ ䷉ #mintcast | more in 17 00:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | mintCast 363 – Audacity Rewind – mintCastJun 17 00:50
XRevan86And there's optionalRELAYMSG for both Solanum and InspIRCdJun 17 00:51
XRevan86so there are options, they're just not employedJun 17 00:51
schestowitzseems they changed ircd for familiarity, not because they want to improve irc featuresJun 17 00:51
schestowitzit used to be possible to do [[ term ]] without the spaces and it would convert to wikipedia linksJun 17 00:52
XRevan86schestowitz: that was my first guessJun 17 00:52
schestowitztest: 17 00:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | England - WikipediaJun 17 00:52
schestowitzoh, that still worksJun 17 00:52
schestowitzI assume not a client-side featureJun 17 00:52
XRevan86[[Scotland]]Jun 17 00:52
schestowitzmaybe that's a konversation thingJun 17 00:52
schestowitzI assumed it was ircd at freenodeJun 17 00:52
MinceR[[IRC]]Jun 17 00:52
schestowitz/fn 17 00:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Internet Relay Chat - WikipediaJun 17 00:53
MinceRit is client-side indeedJun 17 00:53
schestowitzseems to be konversationJun 17 00:53
schestowitzI found out about it when trying to tell alextee how to edit the wikiJun 17 00:53
techrights-bot/fnLatest Steam Client Beta improves Proton startup times, fixes login issue | GamingOnLinux ⚓ ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in 17 00:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Latest Steam Client Beta improves Proton startup times, fixes login issue | GamingOnLinuxJun 17 00:54
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techrights-bot/fn"Not only that but quite a lot of developers haven't put up the full demo banner with platform icons on their store pages (only the little demo button on the sidepanel), so you need to check #SteamDB (Search for "game + demo") on those to see if the demo has a #GNU #Linux build." 17 01:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Steam Next Fest is live again with new demos, livestreams and more | GamingOnLinuxJun 17 01:02
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techrights-bot/fn"In this video, I am going to show how to install #openSUSE 15.3." #suse #gnu #linuxJun 17 01:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to install openSUSE 15.3 - YouTubeJun 17 01:04
techrights-bot/fnThe Mozilla Blog: Celebrating our community: 10 years of the Reps Program #mozilla #firefoxJun 17 01:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Reps Mozilla Community Program 10 Year AnniversaryJun 17 01:05
techrights-bot/fnThe Piano Metronome is key to keeping the beat | Arduino Blog ⚓ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in 17 01:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Piano Metronome is key to keeping the beat | Arduino BlogJun 17 01:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsJun 17 01:06
techrights-bot/fnTurn your bicycle into a #Pokebike with DJ Harrigan’s MKR Zero device | Arduino Blog ⚓ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #HackingJun 17 01:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Turn your bicycle into a Pokebike with DJ Harrigan's MKR Zero device | Arduino BlogJun 17 01:07
techrights-bot/fnLOL!!!! $200. Totally NOT competitive. #gnu #linux ones can do the same for like a quarter the price! 17 01:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GMK NucBox Review - A palm-sized Windows 10 mini PC - CNX SoftwareJun 17 01:08
techrights-bot/fn"Plus the outrageous bounty on a beloved Linux desktop app." 17 01:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ye Olde Linux Distro | LINUX Unplugged 410 | Jupiter BroadcastingJun 17 01:11
techrights-bot/fnAudiocasts/Shows: LINUX Unplugged, openSUSE 15.3, Coder Radio, mintCast and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 17 01:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Audiocasts/Shows: LINUX Unplugged, openSUSE 15.3, Coder Radio, mintCast and More | Tux MachinesJun 17 01:18
techrights-bot/fn#Radxa Zero SBC • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 17 01:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Radxa Zero SBC | Tux MachinesJun 17 01:19
techrights-bot/fn#OpenHardware : Arduino, Raspberry Pi, and PINE64 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 17 01:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Open Hardware: Arduino, Raspberry Pi, and PINE64 | Tux MachinesJun 17 01:19
techrights-bot/fn#Games : DLSS, Chromebook, and Many New Titles on GNU/Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 17 01:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Games: DLSS, Chromebook, and Many New Titles on GNU/Linux | Tux MachinesJun 17 01:19
CrystalMathAriadne: hey, how do i even get a copy of ircd-hyperion?Jun 17 01:20
techrights-bot/fnThe Neocon Agenda to Militarize Space with Robbie Martin 17 01:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Neocon Agenda to Militarize Space with Robbie Martin - unlimitedhangout.comJun 17 01:22
AriadneCrystalMath: 17 01:24
Ariadnescroll down toJun 17 01:24
Ariadnedancer-ircd / hyperion / freenodeJun 17 01:24
AriadnePlease do not bother me with any bugs/features/whatever about this code. Jun 17 01:24
Ariadneclick downloadfJun 17 01:24
Ariadne-fJun 17 01:24
CrystalMaththanks :))Jun 17 01:25
AriadnewhyJun 17 01:25
Ariadnehyperion is a shitheapJun 17 01:26
Ariadneyou should not run it in productionJun 17 01:26
CrystalMathi'll be able to recreate the freenode that existed at the time of my first connectionJun 17 01:26
CrystalMathon localhostJun 17 01:26
CrystalMaththat was 2008 right?Jun 17 01:26
Ariadneby 2008 freenode was on sevenJun 17 01:26
techrights-bot/fnMigrate virtual machines to Kubernetes with this new tool | ⚓ ䷉ #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux | more in 17 01:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Migrate virtual machines to Kubernetes with this new tool | Opensource.comJun 17 01:26
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CrystalMathAriadne: oh, really?Jun 17 01:26
Ariadneyes, pretty sureJun 17 01:27
CrystalMathbut wikipedia says 2010Jun 17 01:27
CrystalMathHyperion was then replaced with IRCd-Seven[14] on 30 January 2010.[15][16]Jun 17 01:27
CrystalMath 17 01:28
AriadneohJun 17 01:28
techrights-bot/fnReminder that #microsoft is a bunch of liars, thugs, and criminals: There's no "LEAK". It's #MARKETING disguised as 'leak'. Because they're liars.Jun 17 01:28
AriadneokJun 17 01:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | freenode migration to ircd-seven successfully completed | - IRC NewsJun 17 01:28
Ariadneanyway, hyperion is shitJun 17 01:28
CrystalMathwhat's wrong with it?Jun 17 01:28
techrights-bot/fnStatCounter: In May 2021 #Windows Market Share Falls Sharply to Just 28%, Whereas GNU/Linux Climbs to 2.31% in Desktops/Laptops • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 17 01:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | StatCounter: In May 2021 Windows Market Share Falls Sharply to Just 28%, Whereas GNU/Linux Climbs to 2.31% in Desktops/Laptops | TechrightsJun 17 01:29
CrystalMathAriadne: do you maybe know if atheme was used in 2008?Jun 17 01:29
Ariadnethat was since 2007Jun 17 01:30
AriadneafaikJun 17 01:30
XRevan86software isn't the problem with freenodeJun 17 01:30
CrystalMathokay so i need to set up atheme as wellJun 17 01:30
XRevan86why does it matter what it usedJun 17 01:30
CrystalMathi'll try to get as close to the original configurationJun 17 01:30
CrystalMathand i need to find the motd from 2008Jun 17 01:30
MinceRwasn't dancer used before hyperion?Jun 17 01:30
CrystalMathMinceR: it was but 2008 is what i'm after :)Jun 17 01:30
CrystalMathi'll possibly open up an onion serviceJun 17 01:30
XRevan86Voulez Vous DanserJun 17 01:31
CrystalMathso you can access itJun 17 01:31
CrystalMathMinceR: the current time of the server will say 2008 too!Jun 17 01:31
CrystalMaththat moment in time, foreverJun 17 01:31
MinceRwill the SSL certificate also expire in 2008? :>Jun 17 01:31
CrystalMathi'll possibly create fake clients or fake the user count somehowJun 17 01:31
MinceRlolJun 17 01:31
CrystalMathessentially creating a perfect autistic replicaJun 17 01:32
techrights-bot/fnPDF Mix Tool 1.0.1 Now Lets You Edit Metadata with an Improved UI & Qt 6 Support "In either case, you can build it from source that can be found on GitLab."Jun 17 01:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PDF Mix Tool 1.0.1 Now Lets You Edit Metadata with an Improved UI & Qt 6 Support - It's FOSS NewsJun 17 01:32
Ariadneoooh!  will it have #wrongplanet?!Jun 17 01:33
rbraun/fnAriadne, is it correct that hyperion/dancer was not a TS6 based protocolJun 17 01:33
CrystalMathAriadne: i'm gonna copy the motd as wellJun 17 01:34
CrystalMathi found a copy of the august 2008 motd :DJun 17 01:34
rbraun/fnCrystalMath, whereJun 17 01:34
Ariadnerbraun: hyperion was not TS6, noJun 17 01:34
Ariadnehyperion was not even TS5Jun 17 01:35
rbraun/fnAriadne: what was its TS protocol? i saw something saying "TS4" which i'd never seenJun 17 01:35
techrights-bot/fnHow the X Window System Influenced Modern Computing ⚓ ䷉ #fosslife | more in 17 01:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How the X Window System Influenced Modern ComputingJun 17 01:35
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CrystalMathrbraun: 17 01:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | freenode - IRC Network - irc.netsplit.deJun 17 01:35
rbraun/fnCrystalMath: ahaJun 17 01:35
CrystalMathhuhJun 17 01:36
CrystalMathdancer?Jun 17 01:36
CrystalMathdid hyperion report as dancer or something?Jun 17 01:36
Ariadnerbraun: a mix of TS3 and TS5Jun 17 01:36
rbraun/fnhyperion was based on dancerJun 17 01:36
Ariadnerbraun: with a bunch of craq bolted onJun 17 01:37
rbraun/fni seeJun 17 01:37
CrystalMathAriadne: is there a list of all the server names?Jun 17 01:37
CrystalMathi wish i could do a back in time digJun 17 01:37
CrystalMathdig --time-machine='Aug 11 2008' chat.freenode.netJun 17 01:37
MinceR:)Jun 17 01:37
CrystalMathi see there's heinlein, nivenJun 17 01:38
MinceRnetsplit doesn't have a server list?Jun 17 01:38
CrystalMathi see it in the various motds of the timeJun 17 01:38
MinceRsearchirc might also helpJun 17 01:38
CrystalMath 17 01:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | About freenode: IRC ServersJun 17 01:38
CrystalMathgot it :)Jun 17 01:38
techrights-bot/fn#HowTo use #FreeDOS as an embedded system | ⚓ ䷉ #FreeSW #RedHat #IBMJun 17 01:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to use FreeDOS as an embedded system | Opensource.comJun 17 01:38
techrights-bot/fn"So you want to switch to Linux? Or maybe run it alongside Windows? Great idea! But you've probably heard things that scared you away like "installing Linux is hard." Is it really true?" it was hard 20+ years ago.Jun 17 01:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"Installing Linux Is Hard" | Linux Myth Busters #1 - YouTubeJun 17 01:39
CrystalMathtolkien, asimov, kornbluth, orwell, sterling, calvino, adams, gibson, leguin, lem, pratchett, sendak, niven, zelazny, brown, anthony, kubrick, heinleinJun 17 01:40
CrystalMaththat's the full list :)Jun 17 01:40
CrystalMaththat's a lot of hyperionsJun 17 01:40
CrystalMathto runJun 17 01:40
Ariadnethats the list of client serversJun 17 01:40
Ariadnethere were also hidden hubsJun 17 01:40
CrystalMathperhaps i could cheap out and only run one serverJun 17 01:42
CrystalMathand just give it one of these namesJun 17 01:42
CrystalMathimagine there was a netsplit in 2008 :PJun 17 01:42
MinceRnot hard to imageJun 17 01:43
MinceRs/ge/gine/Jun 17 01:43
CrystalMathwait, since i'll probably host it over .onion, i can just use the name of the tor relay!Jun 17 01:43
CrystalMathwhat was it... zettel?Jun 17 01:43
rbraun/fnthat sounds rightJun 17 01:45
CrystalMathunfortunately i don't have zettel's motdJun 17 01:46
CrystalMathcursesJun 17 01:46
MinceRcurses, foiled again!Jun 17 01:47
CrystalMathhehJun 17 01:47
CrystalMathif someone has zettel's motd in logs that would be super special awesomeJun 17 01:47
techrights-bot/fn#microsoft #vapourware versus what #gnu #linux ALREADY has and DOES 17 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | No, Windows is not copying KDE Plasma – Filip Fila's blogJun 17 01:49
techrights-bot/fn#Security Leftovers and Proprietary Software • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 17 01:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Security Leftovers and Proprietary Software | Tux MachinesJun 17 01:50
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techrights-bot/fnToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 17 01:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 17 01:51
techrights-bot/fnMore buzzwords, less subtsnace ttps:// 17 01:57
techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▃▄▄▅▇▅▇▇▄▅▆▅▃▄▁▂▅▆▇▅▇▃▄▃▄▇▃▇▅▁▅▆▅▁ avg(k/sec) 27.33 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▁▂▂▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▂█▃▂▁▁▂▂▃▂▁▁▂█▂▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 37.50  ⟲Jun 17 01:59
CrystalMathAriadne: honestly maybe EsperNet is the closest thing to old freenode, it's running charybdis and athemeJun 17 01:59
CrystalMathbesides Libera, EsperNet is the only IRC network that i left foreverJun 17 01:59
CrystalMathwhich is sort of awkward since i connect to EsperNet nowJun 17 02:00
Ariadneits p funnyJun 17 02:01
Ariadnethat canonical is trying to get people to run edgex on ubuntu coreJun 17 02:01
Ariadnewhen the official recommended deployment is on EVEJun 17 02:01
MinceRthe mmorpg?Jun 17 02:01
Ariadnewhich is basically alpine's answer to ubuntu coreJun 17 02:01
CrystalMathAriadne: oh do you know what distro freenode servers ran in 2008?Jun 17 02:02
AriadneMinceR: EVE = Edge Virtualization EngineJun 17 02:02
MinceRicJun 17 02:02
AriadneCrystalMath: uhhJun 17 02:02
MinceRthere's way too much edge nowadaysJun 17 02:02
AriadneCrystalMath: some ran freebsd, others ran debian, a few ran gentooJun 17 02:02
CrystalMathah i seeJun 17 02:02
AriadneMinceR: so 'edge computing' is really a buzzword for a movement to bring stuff outsourced to 'the cloud' (aka somebody else's computers) back in houseJun 17 02:02
MinceRyeah, but there's also the newest name for internet explorerJun 17 02:03
MinceRand all the edginess that's going onJun 17 02:03
Ariadnethe business case of course is that having your computers next to your stuff is probably a good ideaJun 17 02:03
MinceR:>Jun 17 02:03
Ariadnebut its really a software freedom caseJun 17 02:03
hmmmm/fnMinceR: but nobody actually cares about that edgeJun 17 02:03
MinceRwell, i don't care about calling this thing 'edge computing' either :>Jun 17 02:03
Ariadneas in, we are trying to ween people off of the cloud, by giving them the ability to do 'cloud' stuff on their own gearJun 17 02:03
MinceR:)Jun 17 02:04
rbraun/fnCrystalMath, why did you leave espernetJun 17 02:04
CrystalMathactually that's a weird one... i don't really knowJun 17 02:05
Ariadneand of course, putting computers next to your stuff that you want to monitor is really fascinatingJun 17 02:05
MinceRmy kind of edge >> 17 02:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Q2DM1: The Edge | Quake Wiki | FandomJun 17 02:05
CrystalMathi just randomly declared that i will leave foreverJun 17 02:05
Ariadnedid you know that wind turbines run on alpine?Jun 17 02:05
rbraun/fnlolJun 17 02:05
Ariadnelike, no shitJun 17 02:05
MinceRlolJun 17 02:05
CrystalMathi can't for the life of me figure out whyJun 17 02:05
Ariadnethey have all these sensorsJun 17 02:05
Ariadnethat collect all this dataJun 17 02:05
CrystalMathand now that i'm back all my old friends are gone foreverJun 17 02:05
Ariadneand microphones inside the turbineJun 17 02:05
CrystalMathrbraun/fn: my best explanation is that i wanted to be sadJun 17 02:05
Ariadnewhich record how it soundsJun 17 02:05
Ariadneand then all of that is analyzed for faultsJun 17 02:06
Ariadneand sent onto a control centerJun 17 02:06
DaemonFCI can't see how Disney Plus has 104 million subscribers.Jun 17 02:06
DaemonFCStreaming television is the most fucking stupid thing ever.Jun 17 02:06
techrights-bot/fnReading over RSS for news updates 17 02:06
Ariadnelike, they literally analyze the audio, to look for grinding noises and shitJun 17 02:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-» how to read news in the 21st century (APPs & RSS FEEDS) – turns the user’s Android based device into an independent Open Source based news aggregator that respects the user’s privacy | dwaves.deJun 17 02:06
Ariadneits all so strangeJun 17 02:06
DaemonFCStreaming TV is a huge bubble.Jun 17 02:06
DaemonFCIt's not profitable and subscribers are peaking.Jun 17 02:06
Ariadnei gave up on streaming and just buy bluray discs and rip them nowJun 17 02:07
Ariadneit is easierJun 17 02:07
DaemonFCThey can't justify unlimited budgets for several shows as bait anymore on $10 a month.Jun 17 02:07
Ariadnei like having physical copies of mediaJun 17 02:07
Ariadnethey cant revoke my 'license' to a physical copy of the mediaJun 17 02:07
DaemonFCI just torrent them to my hard drive.Jun 17 02:07
schestowitzstreaming = renralJun 17 02:07
schestowitz*rentalJun 17 02:07
DaemonFCSomeone else nicely did the work of ripping it for me and figuring out that pesky DRM so I don't have to.Jun 17 02:07
MinceRi just torrent them as wellJun 17 02:07
schestowitzeven when we rented tapes we kept them for a few daysJun 17 02:08
DaemonFCFigured out all of the optimal encoder settings.Jun 17 02:08
Ariadnei have an internet connection that is... not so compatible with torrenting :PJun 17 02:08
schestowitzso you could watch it again, pass it to a family memberJun 17 02:08
schestowitzeven watch on a mate's VCRJun 17 02:08
schestowitzstreaming takes so much awayJun 17 02:08
DaemonFCschestowitz, I like Nathan Lineback. I think that's his name anyway.Jun 17 02:08
Ariadneanyway LF edge is coolJun 17 02:08
DaemonFCHas the toastytech website.Jun 17 02:08
Ariadneits basically about weening people off the cloudJun 17 02:08
Ariadneand back onto their own computersJun 17 02:08
DaemonFCI followed his blog which is sort of where I got the idea of ripping IE out of my computer as a teenager.Jun 17 02:09
Ariadnesince cloud computing is fundamentally antithetical to software freedomJun 17 02:09
DaemonFCOnly I found a freeware utility that did it better.Jun 17 02:09
AriadneLF edge is also cool because the group is working on replacements for stuff like SCADA which is a security disasterJun 17 02:09
Ariadneall FOSSJun 17 02:10
Ariadnevery coolJun 17 02:10
DaemonFCMost software is a security disaster.Jun 17 02:10
Ariadneits just strange to see ubuntu try to compete in this areaJun 17 02:10
XRevan86She-Ra is top-notch stuff. Never would've imagined.Jun 17 02:10
DaemonFCmIRC made a lot of questionable design choices early on that I did not appreciate at the time.Jun 17 02:10
Ariadnethey should stay in their lane and compete with RHELJun 17 02:10
MinceRXRevan86: the cartoon?Jun 17 02:11
XRevan86MinceR: yesJun 17 02:11
MinceRicJun 17 02:11
XRevan86the new one of courseJun 17 02:11
DaemonFCThe $decode worms were pretty funny.Jun 17 02:11
Ariadnemicrosoft comic chatJun 17 02:11
MinceRi don't think ubuntu can compete with rHELLJun 17 02:11
Ariadneis best irc clientJun 17 02:11
AriadneimoJun 17 02:11
MinceRlolJun 17 02:11
rbraun/fnwhich servers does comic chat work/not work with againJun 17 02:11
techrights-bot/fn#FreeSoftware : PDF Mix Tool, KubeVirt, and QOwnNotes • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 17 02:12
rbraun/fniirc it used to work with freenode and then brokeJun 17 02:12
DaemonFCIt led to the entire feature being turned off and if you want to turn it on, it says be sure you know what you're doing because malicious scripts might be doing bad things.Jun 17 02:12
MinceRubuntu committed to playing catch-up with rh's productsJun 17 02:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Software: PDF Mix Tool, KubeVirt, and QOwnNotes | Tux MachinesJun 17 02:12
Ariadneit doesnt work with charybdis because i changed JOIN output to make it segfault ^_^Jun 17 02:12
DaemonFCBut without $decode, the script system just isn't very powerful.Jun 17 02:12
MinceRLOLJun 17 02:12
MinceRyou should port that feature to solanumJun 17 02:12
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rbraun/fnthe problem with ubuntu staying in their lane is that RH's lane is pretty wide now and they want to compete with all of itJun 17 02:12
Ariadneits already thereJun 17 02:12
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MinceRoh, i guess everyone is using the web-based imitation thenJun 17 02:13
rbraun/fnAriadne lol whyJun 17 02:13
DaemonFCLinux is pretty much doomed if these two companies get to run it for much longer.Jun 17 02:13
techrights-bot/fn10 Linux Distros for Beginners, Intermediate, and Advanced Users • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 17 02:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 10 Linux Distros for Beginners, Intermediate, and Advanced Users | Tux MachinesJun 17 02:13
MinceRLinux is already doomedJun 17 02:13
rbraun/fnSuSE still existsJun 17 02:13
Ariadnebecause some dude used to join my irc server and use it and he was annoyingJun 17 02:13
techrights-bot/fn#Ubuntu : Oracle, LF, and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 17 02:13
Ariadneso i changedJun 17 02:13
MinceRthe guy who was pushing for kdbus is running itJun 17 02:13
rbraun/fnlolJun 17 02:13
Ariadne:nick!user@host JOIN #fooJun 17 02:13
MinceRLinus is muzzledJun 17 02:13
DaemonFCMicrosoft has finally managed to corrupt all of the necessary entities to make sure there's no point trying to escape Windows anymore.Jun 17 02:13
Ariadneto :nick!user@host JOIN :#fooJun 17 02:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ubuntu: Oracle, LF, and More | Tux MachinesJun 17 02:13
Ariadneand that made it crashJun 17 02:14
Ariadne:DJun 17 02:14
MinceRlolJun 17 02:14
MinceRAlan Cox left the projectJun 17 02:14
MinceRi don't know what happened to the othersJun 17 02:14
DaemonFCFor some reason, every modern program things it's alright to take crash and usage data from you by default, without asking.Jun 17 02:14
MinceRbut if the people who actually know the code well wanted to save the project, they would have forked it alreadyJun 17 02:14
DaemonFC*thinksJun 17 02:14
Ariadneits just so strangeJun 17 02:14
MinceRand it's massively bloatedJun 17 02:15
Ariadneevery time ubuntu tries to compete with alpine, it never works out for themJun 17 02:15
DaemonFCThen they also think it's fine to invade your production systems and experiment on you.Jun 17 02:15
Ariadnethey throw a ton of money at it, and then their customers are likeJun 17 02:15
Ariadnesystemd?  snap?  why would we want to use this shitJun 17 02:15
MinceRmaybe ubuntu has a bad strategyJun 17 02:15
rbraun/fnmaybe ubuntu has no strategyJun 17 02:15
rbraun/fni mean, remember Mir?Jun 17 02:15
MinceR"let's just replace the branding on debian and toss in some crap", or later, "let's just replace the branding on debian"Jun 17 02:15
DaemonFCMinceR, Windows 11, because it has rounded corners.Jun 17 02:16
MinceRlolJun 17 02:16
DaemonFCRounded corners = major version.Jun 17 02:16
techrights-bot/fn#fossmint still promoting NON-FREE. Almost always Anusha Saive.... marketing instead of news. Or PR spam...Jun 17 02:16
MinceRDaemonFC: new icons are better for security than rounded corners.Jun 17 02:16
DaemonFCWell, I think with the icons, they were going for performance. They just put the icons in the kernel and they perform better that way.Jun 17 02:16
MinceRmakes senseJun 17 02:16
MinceRit's what microsoft doesJun 17 02:16
MinceRit never works out for them, but stillJun 17 02:17
Ariadnethey even tried to compete with alpine for the digital billboard marketJun 17 02:17
Ariadneeven though a FOSS spin called signageOS already existedJun 17 02:17
Ariadneand already did what billboard weirdos wantedJun 17 02:17
Ariadnelike, i just don't get itJun 17 02:17
Ariadnei think shuttleworth is another rasenganJun 17 02:18
Ariadnemaybe they should get together and chatJun 17 02:18
MinceRlolJun 17 02:18
MinceRhow do you know they don't?Jun 17 02:18
rbraun/fni don't think shuttleworth quite has his... personality disordersJun 17 02:19
rbraun/fnor substance abuse issuesJun 17 02:20
CrystalMathAriadne: alpine doesn't use systemd?Jun 17 02:20
MinceRit doesn'tJun 17 02:20
MinceRjust like its derivative postmarketOS doesn't :>Jun 17 02:20
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Ariadnei am just dumbfounded by itJun 17 02:24
Ariadnelike, does ubuntu even know what it wants to do anymoreJun 17 02:24
MinceRit hasn't for a long timeJun 17 02:24
techrights-bot/fnToday’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 17 02:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 17 02:28
Ariadnei wonder if this damn jump box i bought at walmart will actually start this damn tractor tomorrowJun 17 02:28
MinceR:>Jun 17 02:28
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DaemonFCI gave up on those flooded acid batteries.Jun 17 02:31
DaemonFCToo quirky.Jun 17 02:31
schestowitz[02:20] <MinceR> just like its derivative postmarketOS doesn't :>Jun 17 02:31
schestowitzI didn't know pmOS is alpine basedJun 17 02:31
DaemonFCI use the new type with the glass plates in my car.Jun 17 02:31
schestowitzI thought it was some sort of backported or hacked AOSPJun 17 02:31
DaemonFCIt starts right up now, even at -20 or -30.Jun 17 02:31
Ariadneschestowitz: pmOS is not just based on alpine, but is integrated into the alpine ecosystem at this pointJun 17 02:32
schestowitz[02:18] <Ariadne> i think shuttleworth is another rasenganJun 17 02:32
schestowitzMS is actually richJun 17 02:32
schestowitznot debt-richJun 17 02:32
DaemonFCTurns out that the new struts in that car solved a lot of problems that I had been unhappy about, including crappy braking performance.Jun 17 02:32
rbraun/fnschestowitz: heh yeahJun 17 02:32
Ariadneschestowitz: i meant in terms of throwing shit to the wall and hoping it sticksJun 17 02:32
schestowitzbecause he sold his company and avoided tax... for a whileJun 17 02:32
schestowitz 17 02:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A Sexy Dawn of Ubuntu Branding | TechrightsJun 17 02:33
schestowitz“What happened was, we’ve had some very… some of the very early initial meetings (when, you know, there were about 10 people) and Mark [Shuttleworth] showed this picture… and it was of a girl called Sabrina, or that’s the name that he gave her. And it was a very [?] tone, Vaseline on the lens kind of shot, and it was a… a very beautiful shot, but it was with a girl with her face turned away but her breasts perfectly visible. And he Jun 17 02:33
schestowitzsaying to everyone, ‘this is what I want the desktop to look like.’”Jun 17 02:33
Ariadnecancellation in progressJun 17 02:33
Ariadnebut in all seriousnessJun 17 02:34
MinceR:)Jun 17 02:34
schestowitz"explaining to girls"Jun 17 02:34
Ariadnethat does not really seem like a useful way of conveying your visionJun 17 02:34
schestowitzit's notJun 17 02:34
Ariadnelike i would take away from that "ok, more hot chick wallpapers in ubuntu-wallpapers"Jun 17 02:34
schestowitzsport cars with girls on themJun 17 02:35
schestowitzwith thongsJun 17 02:35
DaemonFCThat YourMechanic site has just gotten outrageous with their car repair estimates.Jun 17 02:35
DaemonFCIt's like an app where you tell it what's wrong with your car and it gives you a quote and sends a mechanic out to you.Jun 17 02:35
MinceR'hot chick' wallpaper showing chicken fillet being grilledJun 17 02:36
Ariadneyeah i think i used it onceJun 17 02:36
Ariadnefor the lolzJun 17 02:36
Ariadnei was not impressedJun 17 02:36
DaemonFCIt told me $968 on replacement struts on the front end and the local CarX did them for $680.Jun 17 02:36
Ariadnethe mechanic they sent outJun 17 02:36
Ariadnetalked about weed and ancient aliensJun 17 02:36
Ariadnewhich, i mean, fine i guessJun 17 02:36
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Ariadnebut i just needed my wheel hub assembly replacedJun 17 02:37
DaemonFCAncient Aliens, with that guy that looks like Londo Mollari from B5.Jun 17 02:37
DaemonFC:)Jun 17 02:37
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DaemonFCAriadne, Replace right front wheel bearing hub on 2003 Impala LS. $352.00 after tax on YourMechanic.Jun 17 02:38
DaemonFCCarX did it for like $288 after tax.Jun 17 02:38
DaemonFCWell, I suppose that's not AS bad as some of the things I've looked up.Jun 17 02:38
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DaemonFCYourMechanic wanted like $126 to change an air filter. Which is 5 minutes with a screwdriver and an $8 filter.Jun 17 02:39
DaemonFCI asked the manager at CarX what the computer said that job would have been there. He told me $25.Jun 17 02:39
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DaemonFCThe folks down at Pep Boys are really looking for extra work these days. The entire company is about to go under.Jun 17 02:40
Ariadneif you have a 38mm socket, you can replace the hub assembly yourself in an hour on most GM carsJun 17 02:40
Ariadnethe assembly is like 80 bucksJun 17 02:40
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DaemonFCThey informed me of a bad tie rod end and wanted almost double what CarX charged me to drive across the street and have it done there several months ago.Jun 17 02:41
DaemonFCThen Pep Boys said my air filter was filthy and they wanted $60 for that. I just told them thanks for telling me and replaced it myself.Jun 17 02:41
MinceRAncient Aliens, with Doomguy and tons of demonsJun 17 02:41
DaemonFCAriadne> the assembly is like 80 bucksJun 17 02:42
DaemonFCYou can get them cheaper than that.Jun 17 02:42
Ariadnethats with an OEM partJun 17 02:42
DaemonFCI've seen them all the way down to $49.99, but that's an economy hub from AutoZone.Jun 17 02:42
MinceR(i was not a fan of that wad though, but it was funny)Jun 17 02:42
DaemonFC:/Jun 17 02:42
Ariadneif you want to go chinesiumJun 17 02:42
Ariadneyou can get them for $21 on amazonJun 17 02:42
Ariadne:)Jun 17 02:42
Ariadnei prefer OEM parts for things that might result in injury and/or death if they failJun 17 02:43
DaemonFCYeah, the shop manager at CarX said they use OEM parts mostly.Jun 17 02:43
DaemonFCBut they're owned by Monroe so they use their own suspension parts.Jun 17 02:43
DaemonFCI got a set of Monroe quick struts for the front end, they seem to work great.Jun 17 02:43
Ariadnei just bought a brand new ford edgeJun 17 02:43
Ariadneliterally brand newJun 17 02:43
Ariadnethe stupid thing has internet of shit connectivityJun 17 02:44
Ariadnei need to figure out how to disable thatJun 17 02:44
Ariadnei don't want any of thatJun 17 02:44
Ariadnethe idea of having canbus connected to a module that is also connected to the internetJun 17 02:44
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Ariadneis not confidence inspiringJun 17 02:44
MinceR:>Jun 17 02:44
DaemonFCHow is it internet connected if you're not using your phone as a hotspot?Jun 17 02:45
DaemonFCThis stuff just changes too fast.Jun 17 02:45
techrights-bot/fnMost of these are #ProprietarySoftware :/ 17 02:45
DaemonFCThe quality of the powertrains has gone way down.Jun 17 02:45
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DaemonFCYou're lucky if you can drive the car 150,000 miles these days.Jun 17 02:46
AriadneDaemonFC: the car has an LTE modem in itJun 17 02:46
AriadneDaemonFC: you can use an app to lock/unlock/start/stop the carJun 17 02:46
DaemonFC<Ariadne> DaemonFC: the car has an LTE modem in itJun 17 02:46
AriadneDaemonFC: it also shows the GPS locationJun 17 02:46
DaemonFCDon't you have to subscribe to something for that to be on?Jun 17 02:46
AriadneyeahJun 17 02:46
techrights-bot/fnA "smart" home isn't smart. Truly smart homes don't have ANY of those supposedly 'smart' things 17 02:46
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Ariadnebut some fuckwit can subscribe to it on your behalfJun 17 02:46
Ariadneif they have your VINJun 17 02:47
Ariadneandf then fuck with youJun 17 02:47
MinceRso can three-letter agenciesJun 17 02:47
DaemonFCWell, mom's giving me her 2011 Impala next, so no internet of shit for a while.Jun 17 02:48
DaemonFCJust car of shit.Jun 17 02:48
AriadnenopeJun 17 02:48
Ariadne2011 impalaJun 17 02:48
Ariadnehas thisJun 17 02:48
Ariadnebut its UMTS modemJun 17 02:48
DaemonFCThey cost more to repair than they're worth over about two years.Jun 17 02:48
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Ariadnesome people upgraded to LTE module when AT&T shut down UMTSJun 17 02:49
DaemonFCFor some reason, the blend door actuator on the 2003 was too reliable.Jun 17 02:49
DaemonFCSo GM upgraded the 2010+ to one that makes woodpecker noises and then your heat or air conditioning doesn't work.Jun 17 02:49
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DaemonFCSomeone I know in Chicago just took Uber to work and back every day.Jun 17 02:54
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DaemonFCIt was costing him $12-15 each way usually depending on whatever mood Uber was in that day. Just ridiculous.Jun 17 02:54
arbitionIf I had the time, I'd be doing an EV conversion. Picking a good platform might be difficult though, and safety is still an issue. Wonder how many safety features are computer driven these daysJun 17 02:54
DaemonFCThen one of the drivers got on the freeway going the wrong way.Jun 17 02:54
DaemonFCMost of the good frames are so heavy they NEEDED a a V8 or at least a large block V6 to pull them.Jun 17 02:55
DaemonFCI can't imagine that the EV motors would do well on those.Jun 17 02:56
arbitionEV motors would be fine, but heavy means more batteries, so that part not so fineJun 17 02:56
DaemonFCThis is just outright Communist shit.Jun 17 02:56
arbitionDecent EV motors have masses of torque, but the power to weight ratio is poorJun 17 02:56
DaemonFCThe market doesn't want them so Illinois is stealing from me and Mandy to buy some rich asshole a Tesla with a $4,000 rebate (on top of the federal one).Jun 17 02:57
DaemonFCThat's on top of them tearing up the roads and not paying a gas tax.Jun 17 02:57
arbitionI'm talking about installing your own EV system, so you have more control of itJun 17 02:57
arbitionmaking it more maintanableJun 17 02:57
arbitionNot buying a Tesla or whateverJun 17 02:57
arbition*power to weight ratio is poor because of all the batteriesJun 17 02:58
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arbitionIn some sense torque from an EV is limited only by how well you can cool it. Practically there is a limit because heat dissipation is equivalent to the squareJun 17 03:00
arbitionsquare of powerJun 17 03:00
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arbitionbut then you just put in a bigger motor and better cooling jackets. Or just put 1 motor per wheelJun 17 03:01
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arbitionThen maybe you can do torque vectoring, like the Mercedes SLS ElectricJun 17 03:01
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arbitionno the square thing isn't quite right, it's directly equivalent to power, but it becomes a heat density issueJun 17 03:02
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DaemonFC 17 03:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Next Democrat Exelon “Communist Edison” bailout forces Illinois taxpayers to rebate rich people $4,000 on their Tesla. – BaronHK's RantsJun 17 03:09
DaemonFCAriadne, ^Jun 17 03:09
DaemonFCThere you go.Jun 17 03:09
DaemonFCErr, arbition Jun 17 03:09
arbitionLike the issue with low speed torque is similar to a IC Engine anyway. You load the engine too much in low revs and it will shudder. It's not happy. That's why it has a gearbox. If low speed torque is a significant issue, add a gearbox. Electric cars don't typically have much of a gearbox because they don't need them in the application they're used in.Jun 17 03:10
arbitionlol that's politics not engineeringJun 17 03:10
arbitionI'm not even in the US of AJun 17 03:10
DaemonFCEngineering by politicians.Jun 17 03:10
arbitionMarket manipulation, if you want to call that engineeringJun 17 03:11
DaemonFCPretty much.Jun 17 03:11
DaemonFCThe Soviets decided what their "customers" would buy too.Jun 17 03:11
arbitionYeah I got that already. I wasn't remotely talking about that.Jun 17 03:11
arbitionI'm literally talking about doing it yourselfJun 17 03:12
DaemonFCOur government is just doing it by making gasoline unaffordable and then offering us some of our own money back if we buy one of these shitass EVs.Jun 17 03:12
arbitiontaking a rolling shell and doing it yourselfJun 17 03:12
arbitionWhich is pretty fitting considering the previous discussion about having to buy cars with tracking. Do it yourself, make sure your control systems don't need that shitJun 17 03:13
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arbitionPlus a bit of right to repair FUJun 17 03:14
arbitionto manufacturersJun 17 03:14
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techrights-bot/fn"Andrew Lee can't just let Freenode collapse, every step of the way he keep kicking it faster down the hill and now he has actually done it, #Freenode might now be actually dead." 17 03:17
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techrights-bot/fnAlternative is, get people to be responsible about littering 17 03:23
arbitionMakes me think of the futility of recycling. Aluminium excepted. But anyway, I'm now for well designed incinerators. Sure it releases CO2, but if the alternative is microplastics and litter flying around everywhere, it's the lesser of 2 evils.Jun 17 03:24
techrights-bot/fn"One of my favorite command line utilities is "awk" which is a text-processing program. It is mostly used for pattern scanning and processing. In this video, I will give examples of some of the basic #awk commands, and show you some of the ways that I often use awk." 17 03:25
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XRevan86Navalny consciously ignored the law while leaving to Germany unconscious.Jun 17 03:29
techrights-bot/fnMy internship at the FSF, and the domino effect of thoughts " #FreeSoftwareFoundation ⚓ ䷉ #FSF #GNU #FreeSW #SoftwareFreedomJun 17 03:30
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XRevan86 cool photoJun 17 03:32
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arbitionXRevan86: What are they transporting?Jun 17 03:33
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XRevan86arbition: That's Navalny being transported while consciously ignoring the lawJun 17 03:34
arbitionAh. Wasn't sure if it was a person. Looks a bit weird... and shortJun 17 03:34
techrights-bot/fnLatest in the anti- #fsf coup see 17 03:34
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techrights-bot/fnNew Videos of #LinuxMint 20.2 Beta • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 17 03:35
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XRevan86Mm, the original quote is better.Jun 17 03:35
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arbitionlol whataboutismJun 17 03:36
XRevan86Putin said "consciously" twice: first about leaving Russia, second about returning.Jun 17 03:36
XRevan86arbition: Yes, and that's in response to direct questions.Jun 17 03:36
XRevan86He's a master at dodging questions. There were memes about that a decade ago.Jun 17 03:37
arbitionFunny that the USSR was well known for using it.Jun 17 03:37
arbitionI guess he wasn't KGB for nothingJun 17 03:37
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XRevan86arbition: Yea, Russian official media is consumed with whataboutismJun 17 03:38
XRevan86it's a major instrumentJun 17 03:39
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MinceRlolJun 17 03:40
arbitionSo is China'sJun 17 03:41
arbitionAlso their Social mediaJun 17 03:41
MinceRi wonder if the khuilo is mocking Navalny or just lyingJun 17 03:41
techrights-bot/fn#fedora 'community' is dying under #ibm because after the anti- #fsf attacks, the #centoOS thing etc. people don't want to be unpaid volunteers of IBM, which is also boosting #microsoft 17 03:41
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XRevan86MinceR: I think he's either confused about the official story or just thought the Western listener would take his word for it.Jun 17 03:42
techrights-bot/fn" #MakanDelrahim gave an impassioned speech. He's trying to dissuade his successor, who (as Mr. Delrahim noted) has yet to be named almost eight years after the elections, from undoing his patentee-friendly policies." 17 03:42
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XRevan86"maybe not everything is clear about this Navalny character's actions…"Jun 17 03:43
techrights-bot/fnOn 'owning' names #euipo is profoundly corrupt. 17 03:43
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techrights-bot/fn"There is a new application available for Sparkers: #FrostWire " #sparkylinux #debian #gnu #linuxJun 17 03:46
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*XRevan86 watches the video on freenodeJun 17 03:47
techrights-bot/fnDaniel Vrátil: Building RC LEGO with #Arduino and #Qt ⚓ ䷉ #dvratil | more in 17 03:47
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XRevan86The migration… was offered to rasengan… and he just didn't want that…Jun 17 03:47
*XRevan86 screams into the void.Jun 17 03:48
rbraun/fnXRevan86, there's a lot of whataboutism in american establishment discourse now tooJun 17 03:48
schestowitzXRevan86: tell me if it's any goodJun 17 03:48
schestowitzI have not watched it yetJun 17 03:48
schestowitzthis guy follows techrightsJun 17 03:48
MinceRwhat video?Jun 17 03:48
XRevan86schestowitz: I've watched 5 minutes, and so far there hasn't been any false statement.Jun 17 03:48
MinceRthis one? >> 17 03:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Freenode Is Now Dead: Birth Of A New Freenode - YouTubeJun 17 03:49
XRevan86apart from this new information that I just didn't know beforeJun 17 03:49
arbitionI only saw a quote about draining the swamp with the migrationJun 17 03:49
arbitionNo idea if he actually said thatJun 17 03:50
MinceRmaybe only the trolls said thatJun 17 03:50
XRevan86> IRCCloud was not klined by mistake.Jun 17 03:50
*XRevan86 screams some moreJun 17 03:50
techrights-bot/fn#socialcontrolmedia = lies factory and #astroturfing 17 03:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Amazon says it's all social media's fault for letting fake review schemes thrive • The RegisterJun 17 03:50
MinceRwell yeah, that is knownJun 17 03:50
XRevan86I am so uneasy right nowJun 17 03:51
schestowitz[03:50] <XRevan86> > IRCCloud was not klined by mistake.Jun 17 03:52
schestowitzdo they plan to compete with it?Jun 17 03:52
schestowitzlike SHells?Jun 17 03:52
schestowitzsome clownish offering?Jun 17 03:52
XRevan86schestowitz: "freenode Bouncer" is a thing now, yes.Jun 17 03:52
MinceRit was a(n unwise) answer to this >> 17 03:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCCloud (@IRCCloud): "The Freenode network is under new management, and the new staff have taken over hundreds of legitimate channels. We strongly urge anyone still connected to that network to check that your channels are safe and take immediate steps to move to another network." | FDNitterJun 17 03:52
arbitionSo here's the snippet I saw, don't know if it's what was actually said 17 03:52
XRevan86yea, freenode is totally not about cancel cultureJun 17 03:53
XRevan86freenode is a victim of itJun 17 03:53
schestowitzIs it liBEra or LIbera?Jun 17 03:53
XRevan86from "to be"?Jun 17 03:53
MinceRit's [proːˈsɛrpɪna] :>Jun 17 03:53
MinceR 17 03:54
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MinceRgoddess of wineJun 17 03:54
MinceR(Libera, that is)Jun 17 03:54
XRevan86freenode Jobs is a hilarious idea by the wayJun 17 03:54
MinceRi already like it more than steve jobsJun 17 03:54
XRevan86step #1: destroy projects on freenodeJun 17 03:54
XRevan86step #2: make a service that depends on projectsJun 17 03:55
XRevan86found the first mistake: 9:30 he says that FSF moved after the reset happenedJun 17 03:56
schestowitzXRevan86: yes, it's a decent videoJun 17 03:56
XRevan86I think it's because of the most recent post-mortem post from FSFJun 17 03:57
XRevan86and that was the only mistakeJun 17 03:58
CrystalMathAriadne: hey, when i connect to my localhost 2008 image of freenode..Jun 17 03:58
CrystalMathdo you think i should call myself... ChristelMath?Jun 17 03:58
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MinceRlolJun 17 03:59
XRevan86There is always some missed fact by me that somehow makes freenode look even worse.Jun 17 04:00
arbitionI'm still trying to work out what was meant by <rasengan> Everyone thinks they can just say whatever they want. Lesson #1 for IRC: Think before you type.Jun 17 04:01
arbitionSurely saying whatever you want is freedomJun 17 04:01
XRevan86There are limits to that like death-threats being an absolute no-noJun 17 04:02
schestowitzXRevan86: yes, I watched the whole thing, it does cover key pointsJun 17 04:04
MinceRwhat's the death threat?Jun 17 04:04
arbitionOK Sure. But I don't think that's what he's talking about here. He's talking about consequences are real. The thing about freedom, is yes we have radical freedom, that's not the freedom that we talk about. We talk about freedom from unreasonable restraints. EG free speech. Free Speech usually referring to the ability to criticise politicans without consequence. In this context,Jun 17 04:04
arbitionpresumably we're talking about a different scope, the politics of the IRC channel. Saying this says that criticism is off limits, and therefore it's not freeJun 17 04:04
XRevan86MinceR: It's just an example of what not to sayJun 17 04:04
MinceRicJun 17 04:04
XRevan86arbition: Yea, I think that rasengan likes to talk about being a victim of cancel culture, while not understanding anything about what those words mean. While doing things that are pretty darn close to being that.Jun 17 04:05
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schestowitzXRevan86: the hypocrisy is the problemJun 17 04:10
schestowitzgiven the huge number of channels, people, services etc.bannedJun 17 04:10
XRevan86schestowitz: I have no sympathy left for rasenganJun 17 04:10
schestowitzanyway, by now almost all our meaningful activity is hereJun 17 04:10
XRevan86when he came here, I was talking to him, trying to understand what exactly happenedJun 17 04:10
schestowitzand thus we're not to be afraid of network operatorsJun 17 04:11
XRevan86I thought that he's an okay personJun 17 04:11
schestowitzI have many chatlogs with himJun 17 04:11
schestowitzhe's not a bad personJun 17 04:11
schestowitzbut I think he has lost touch of what's happeningJun 17 04:11
XRevan86schestowitz: He intentionally let down everyone who supported him.Jun 17 04:11
schestowitzand yesterday he ruined my whole day (or 2 days ago, it's 4am here)Jun 17 04:11
XRevan86people who don't value their friends deserve noneJun 17 04:12
schestowitzI had to BEG people to give me opJun 17 04:12
schestowitzin my own channelsJun 17 04:12
schestowitzthat I had set up more than a decade agoJun 17 04:12
schestowitzbecause he wouldn't even pass key data to the 'new' freenodeJun 17 04:12
XRevan86He single-handedly undid freenode with several decisions. It wasn't just one decision.Jun 17 04:13
XRevan86he took control of it and led it to thisJun 17 04:13
schestowitzat one point he tried offering me hosting, but I declinedJun 17 04:13
XRevan86schestowitz: I wouldn't trust him with the safety of my data.Jun 17 04:14
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XRevan86I don't know the backgrounds of the people behind Libera, and I haven't heard a single justified thing that paints a bad picture of the operator work on Libera.Jun 17 04:16
XRevan86To me it looks like they did the best job in all this mess to maintain freenode as it was.Jun 17 04:17
MinceRit's hard to find out about backgrounds with eyes shutJun 17 04:17
XRevan86And in that I am grateful.Jun 17 04:17
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schestowitzXRevan86: that's how freeenode was tooJun 17 04:19
schestowitzat one pointJun 17 04:19
schestowitzthings can changeJun 17 04:19
schestowitzand you clearly are not in controlJun 17 04:20
XRevan86MinceR: Frankly, I am just not as vindictive about the anti-RMS letter, and the local bans in #freenode / #libera aren't particularly important.Jun 17 04:20
schestowitzI've tried since April to keep Freenode sort of in one pieceJun 17 04:20
schestowitzbut it then became a chain of blundersJun 17 04:20
XRevan86> I've tried since April to keep Freenode sort of in one pieceJun 17 04:20
XRevan86schestowitz: That was a wasted effort.Jun 17 04:20
schestowitzand tuesday I hardly got any sleepJun 17 04:20
schestowitztried to retain our communityJun 17 04:20
schestowitzwhich took us 13 years to buildJun 17 04:20
schestowitzXRevan86: not a wasteJun 17 04:21
schestowitzyou should always tryJun 17 04:21
schestowitzand can change the outcomeJun 17 04:21
schestowitzhow would you know without at least trying?Jun 17 04:21
MinceRXRevan86: would you be more "vindictive" about it if it succeeded?Jun 17 04:21
XRevan86schestowitz: And that is also justification for their efforts, because they've gotten the closest to succeeding.Jun 17 04:21
XRevan86MinceR: I'm still more reluctant about chasing people for personal decisions that could've been made in good faith.Jun 17 04:22
schestowitzjumping between pods isn't the answerJun 17 04:22
schestowitzsame for social control mediaJun 17 04:22
schestowitzI was on mastodon.technologyJun 17 04:22
schestowitzthen gnusocial.deJun 17 04:22
schestowitzthen pleroma.siteJun 17 04:22
schestowitzand now I'm no longer in fediverseJun 17 04:22
schestowitzI gave upJun 17 04:22
schestowitz3 strikesJun 17 04:22
XRevan86schestowitz: It's about maintaining the status quo that served you good for 13 years. Until rasengan came along.Jun 17 04:22
schestowitzlessons learned: hosting in schestowitz.comJun 17 04:22
MinceRXRevan86: i don't see the good faith in cancel cultureJun 17 04:23
MinceRespecially when it's led by corporations that are inimical to free softwareJun 17 04:23
rbraun/fnschestowitz: what happened that led you to give up on each of thoseJun 17 04:23
schestowitzLC has no business modelJun 17 04:23
schestowitzand it's costly to runJun 17 04:23
XRevan86MinceR: I could use the example of Аriadne again.Jun 17 04:23
schestowitzrbraun: sites shut downJun 17 04:23
schestowitzexcept the firstJun 17 04:24
MinceRXRevan86: i can't see into her mindJun 17 04:24
XRevan86schestowitz: freenode has never needed a business model.Jun 17 04:24
XRevan86schestowitz: Notice how freenode, Ltd. was not involved in actual operations, and it somehow worked.Jun 17 04:24
XRevan86MinceR: That's the problem, right?Jun 17 04:24
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XRevan86MinceR: I just don't assume too much.Jun 17 04:25
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XRevan86Even on rasengan I've started forming an opinion only when I started getting answers.Jun 17 04:25
XRevan86and now I have an opinion, not a good oneJun 17 04:25
schestowitzat the end we're just as vibrant than before and no longer worry about some "other" network 17 04:26
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XRevan86I've looked at what Ariadne does. And I have a good opinion of her.Jun 17 04:26
schestowitzyesJun 17 04:26
XRevan86these other people in the Libera staff? I never crossed them, they never crossed me.Jun 17 04:26
schestowitzwell, rasengan is a bit of a charlatanJun 17 04:26
Ariadnemy decision to sign the RMS letter had nothing to do with its contentsJun 17 04:26
Ariadneand i would say many others just signed it because they want to move *forward*, not *backward8Jun 17 04:27
schestowitzrms has high self esteemJun 17 04:27
schestowitzlike this halo stuffJun 17 04:27
MinceRsigning a paper without concern for its contents is pretty strangeJun 17 04:27
schestowitzwhere forward may mean giving upJun 17 04:27
schestowitzlike adoption of bad thingsJun 17 04:27
XRevan86And I'm not going to just take someone's word on that they're good/bad. Whatever, they've done their job fine for a very long time.Jun 17 04:27
schestowitzexactly what we don't need concessions onJun 17 04:27
MinceRstill, i would hope that people in the first block of signatures, like garrett and mcgovern, would at least know what they signedJun 17 04:28
schestowitzor createdJun 17 04:28
schestowitzco-createdJun 17 04:28
AriadneMinceR: well, i mean, i agree that the incidents in the letter aren't optimal.  but that wasn't why i decided to sign itJun 17 04:28
MinceRXRevan86: you mean you've managed to not get in their way for a "very long time"Jun 17 04:28
Ariadnei signed it because i wanted the board to reconsider putting RMS back in charge of FSFJun 17 04:28
schestowitzlast update" |Jun 17 04:28
MinceRAriadne: what incidents? a bunch of red hat/gnome people having trouble understanding written english?Jun 17 04:28
schestowitzehashman Remove "Dmitry Kochnev"Jun 17 04:28
schestowitzJun 17 04:28
schestowitz8c8d7a8Jun 17 04:28
schestowitz9 days agoJun 17 04:28
schestowitzGit statsJun 17 04:28
schestowitzThat letter did not work out too well at the endJun 17 04:29
XRevan86MinceR: Probably. And yet some people I know have fallen from rasengan.Jun 17 04:29
Ariadnethe letter was pointlessJun 17 04:29
XRevan86the banhammer is strong with this oneJun 17 04:29
Ariadneand, at this point, i don't really care if RMS is on the FSF board or notJun 17 04:29
schestowitz:-)Jun 17 04:29
schestowitzthat's progressJun 17 04:29
schestowitzXRevan86: I'm among themJun 17 04:30
Ariadnenot really, that has been my position for a while nowJun 17 04:30
schestowitzassuming "root" was really himJun 17 04:30
Ariadnewhat *I* want is the FSF to have actually effective leadershipJun 17 04:30
schestowitzthey face big barriersJun 17 04:30
schestowitzchallenges, obstaclesJun 17 04:30
schestowitzIBM just gave more money to gnome foundationJun 17 04:30
schestowitzI could joke it's like a reward for the attacksJun 17 04:31
MinceRi don't see how people ibm likes would lead the FSF effectivelyJun 17 04:31
schestowitzIBM isn't done yetJun 17 04:31
schestowitzwe might need to finish off IBM before it finished us offJun 17 04:31
MinceRunless you mean leading them into extinctionJun 17 04:31
XRevan86schestowitz: I'm not sure, it's either rasengan or a front to anonymise staff.Jun 17 04:31
schestowitz*finishesJun 17 04:31
AriadneMinceR: i want people like leah rowe, actually, behind the wheel at FSFJun 17 04:31
rbraun/fnXRevan86: that's a good way to be, about the networks. A lot of people assumed stuff one way or the other. And in the end, the networks decided what to make people think of them, and neofreenode didn't make a good impressionJun 17 04:31
Ariadneshe can't be boughtJun 17 04:31
MinceRAriadne: and they wouldn't cancel Leah Rowe the same?Jun 17 04:31
Ariadneshe can take itJun 17 04:31
MinceRthere was someone here recently who wanted something to be done to LeahJun 17 04:31
schestowitzeveryone can be canceledJun 17 04:32
MinceRcouldn't tell me what they wanted thoughJun 17 04:32
schestowitzif they lack dirt, they make some upJun 17 04:32
XRevan86schestowitz: But if it's the latter, the boldness of some statements that came out of it isn't neutral enough for a staff account.Jun 17 04:32
MinceRi guess i was supposed to guessJun 17 04:32
schestowitzlike Garrett toll trying to associate me with rapeJun 17 04:32
schestowitzand then with transphobia, by quoting random people from IRCJun 17 04:32
schestowitzrecently, OSI Pres tried to claim homophobiaJun 17 04:32
MinceRAriadne: "taking it" is immaterial to how many people sign some hatchet job on microsoft shithub, if the FSF board obey themJun 17 04:32
schestowitzI didn't even know he was gay Jun 17 04:33
schestowitzold tricks, no evidenceJun 17 04:33
XRevan86rbraun: I am only human and I know I can't know all, so I limit the scope of opinions I allow myself to form.Jun 17 04:33
AriadneMinceR: well they didn't obey it for RMS, so?Jun 17 04:33
XRevan86If I state an opinion, it means I consider myself to have a certain understanding of the situation.Jun 17 04:33
rbraun/fnhe also tried to claim wikipedia was cancelling him by "people with too much time on their hands" not allowing him to whitewash his organization's pageJun 17 04:33
MinceRpresumably they saw that over 3x that many support RMS and the boardJun 17 04:33
MinceRAriadne: also, they did manage to cancel RMS earlierJun 17 04:34
schestowitzmaybe next they will tell us RMS is "genocidal" for speaking to Brazilians about overpopulation 17 04:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Conversation With Richard Stallman in Brazil, May 31st 2021 | TechrightsJun 17 04:34
Ariadnelets not talk about numbers, the actual developers were definitely on one side of that thingJun 17 04:34
schestowitzbecause RMS is a bigger problem than overpopulation ^_^Jun 17 04:34
Ariadneand it was not the pro-RMS sideJun 17 04:34
Ariadneto be clearJun 17 04:34
MinceRschestowitz: certainly to ibmJun 17 04:34
schestowitzIBM is cleaning up the human raceJun 17 04:34
schestowitzeugenicsJun 17 04:35
schestowitz"good" geneticsJun 17 04:35
Ariadnebut i don't really care to debate this bikeshed againJun 17 04:35
schestowitz 17 04:35
MinceRthey'll try again, eh?Jun 17 04:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Full Story (With References) of IBM’s Role in a Purge of Black People and Mixed-Race Couples | TechrightsJun 17 04:35
MinceRnot sure what this has to do with bikeshedsJun 17 04:35
schestowitzit's not longer "hip" for IBM to help removed "blown" people...Jun 17 04:35
schestowitz*removeJun 17 04:35
schestowitznow they use blacks to pretend IBM is "woke"Jun 17 04:35
MinceRthey failed in 1945, but there still are nazis aroundJun 17 04:35
schestowitzand pay them to play along with that lie, I saw an example yesterdayJun 17 04:35
Ariadneits time for people to drop the all the shit infighting and get to workJun 17 04:35
schestowitzMinceR: they had to change courseJun 17 04:36
MinceRand ibm has better tech to catalogue people they want killedJun 17 04:36
schestowitzbecause the nazis lost at the endJun 17 04:36
schestowitzhad the nazis won't, IBM would be "eugenics market leader"Jun 17 04:36
schestowitz*wonJun 17 04:36
MinceRAriadne: it is not in ibm's interests for the infighting to stop until free software is destroyedJun 17 04:36
rbraun/fnschestowitz: root *was* and *is* rasengan, at least on the main (not split off) parts of the netJun 17 04:36
rbraun/fnschestowitz: 23:36 [Freenode] -!- rasengan [~rasengan@freenode/user/root]Jun 17 04:36
rbraun/fncurrent whoisJun 17 04:36
AriadneMinceR: i mean, i can't refute or support that, as i'm not IBMJun 17 04:37
schestowitzrbraun: thanks, so very bad opticsJun 17 04:37
schestowitzIBM will tell us it is "woke" and against "racism" (means, we remove words like "master")Jun 17 04:37
schestowitzwhile fighting to remove also "Slavs", lterallyJun 17 04:37
rbraun/fnunless you got messages from "root" on a part of the net that had no services (nickserv), it was rasenganJun 17 04:37
schestowitzand fighting for Pentagon contracts until the US drops another nukeJun 17 04:38
schestowitz 17 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NATO Ramps Up Rhetoric Against China & Russia. Is Biden Leading the U.S. into a New Cold War? | Democracy Now!Jun 17 04:38
MinceRi thought the Second Cold War wasn't even over yetJun 17 04:38
schestowitzNEW: 17 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pentagon Papers Whistleblower Reveals US Weighed 1958 Nuclear Strike on ChinaJun 17 04:38
schestowitzIBMJun 17 04:38
schestowitzthe nuclear arsenal housekeeperJun 17 04:38
schestowitzwe're wokeJun 17 04:39
schestowitzNUKE china, MONEY!Jun 17 04:39
AriadneanywayJun 17 04:39
schestowitzso we can sell more floppy disks and crapJun 17 04:39
schestowitzIBM is helpful in some areasJun 17 04:40
schestowitzbut that's increasingly outweighed by harmsJun 17 04:40
schestowitzwhich they do either directly or by proxyJun 17 04:40
MinceRmaybe they already sold the parts that were helpfulJun 17 04:40
schestowitzthey think openshit [sic] will take overJun 17 04:40
schestowitzif they keep attacking everything elseJun 17 04:40
MinceRor they "laid off" the people who were helpfulJun 17 04:40
schestowitzand so far it has not worked out for themJun 17 04:40
schestowitzbecause Krishna and AllowHurst don't understand Linux, they DO NOT EVEN USE IT!Jun 17 04:41
schestowitzthey're like rasenganJun 17 04:41
schestowitzthey have NO CLUE how we think and workJun 17 04:41
rbraun/fnon his macbook air ;)Jun 17 04:41
schestowitzthey write booksJun 17 04:41
schestowitz"The Open Org"Jun 17 04:41
schestowitz"open"Jun 17 04:41
schestowitzfrom their MacsJun 17 04:41
kingoffrancein ibm linux, linux use you? :)Jun 17 04:41
schestowitzlike rasengan from his iphone and MacJun 17 04:41
Ariadnei meanJun 17 04:41
Ariadnei have an iphoneJun 17 04:42
Ariadnei have some macsJun 17 04:42
Ariadnei also have some linux machinesJun 17 04:42
schestowitzI'm not pro-Android eitherJun 17 04:42
schestowitzAriadne adopted Slackware in the 90sJun 17 04:42
Ariadnefor a while, i switched to debian in 2004Jun 17 04:42
schestowitzAllowhurst just messed around with Fedora to get the red haat jobJun 17 04:42
schestowitzafter Delta had flounderedJun 17 04:42
schestowitzRoblimo told me some stories about itJun 17 04:43
schestowitzoff the recordJun 17 04:43
schestowitzwe spoke for aboyt 3 hoursJun 17 04:43
schestowitzhe died a year laterJun 17 04:43
schestowitzAllowhurst is a master pretenderJun 17 04:43
Ariadnethat has been the vibe i've always gottenJun 17 04:43
schestowitzRoblimo met him in person several timesJun 17 04:43
schestowitzbtw, roblimo had worked for NSAJun 17 04:44
schestowitzand the armyJun 17 04:44
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Ariadneright now, i'm using a macbook instead of a linux-based laptop because my x86 laptop has a shattered displayJun 17 04:46
Ariadnesomeday, my new display will arrive from chinaJun 17 04:46
Ariadnei do not really like macOS that muchJun 17 04:46
Ariadneit used to be tolerable like 10 years agoJun 17 04:46
Ariadnebut they've gone like, full GNOME on itJun 17 04:46
Ariadneand its so strangeJun 17 04:46
Ariadneit feels like i'm using a FOSS desktop (and i don't mean that to be a compliment)Jun 17 04:47
techrights-bot/fn#Xilinx announces Versal AI Edge Series with Cortex-A72 & R5 cores, FPGA fabric - CNX Software ⚓ ䷉ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftwareJun 17 04:47
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Ariadnewell, KDE is pretty decentJun 17 04:47
Ariadneas is XFCEJun 17 04:47
Ariadnebut GNOME 40 is just... strangeJun 17 04:47
XRevan86I am really okay with my Android 5 device, except that I started getting a weird waving image when applying pressure on the screen, and I think it's a sign of battery bloat.Jun 17 04:47
Ariadneand macOS 11 feels a lot like GNOME 40Jun 17 04:47
XRevan86If I disappear my smartphone may have exploded %)Jun 17 04:48
techrights-bot/fn#ksw swallows the #wayland pill 17 04:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | KDE Goals Update – June 2021 | Adam SzopaJun 17 04:48
MinceRfunny, i thought it was still gnome that copied macosJun 17 04:48
techrights-bot/fn#kde swallows the #wayland pill 17 04:48
rbraun/fnAriadne: full GNOME 3, ya mean? GNOME 2 was basically designed like classic macos meets modern thingsJun 17 04:48
Ariadnerbraun: yesJun 17 04:49
AriadneMinceR: yes, seems to be the other way around nowJun 17 04:49
AriadnemacOS 11 is so awfulJun 17 04:49
MinceRwhich did the widgets in the title bar first?Jun 17 04:49
AriadneGNOMEJun 17 04:49
MinceRoh, lolJun 17 04:49
Ariadnebut macOS 11 copiedJun 17 04:49
MinceRi thought it was the other way aroundJun 17 04:50
Ariadneyou might because of itunesJun 17 04:50
MinceRbecause i (thankfully) don't see macos that oftenJun 17 04:50
Ariadnebut itunes was the only thing that did thatJun 17 04:50
MinceRyeah, didn't itunes have it first?Jun 17 04:50
Ariadnein macOS 11, almost everything has itJun 17 04:50
AriadnemacOS dark mode is also ugly as fuckJun 17 04:51
MinceRanyway, apparently having oversized bars on top of the window with unnecessary stuff inside is the "modern" thing now :>Jun 17 04:51
MinceRi don't think i've seen macos dark mode, except possibly title bars on screen shotsJun 17 04:51
DaemonFCschestowitz, Lenovo adding kernel drivers for ThinkPads and ThinkBooks now.Jun 17 04:52
DaemonFC 17 04:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | kernel/git/pdx86/platform-drivers-x86.git - Linux x86 platform drivers treeJun 17 04:52
Ariadnemy desktop is aarch64 honeycomb machine running alpineJun 17 04:52
DaemonFCIt allows users to change BIOS settings from within the OS using WMI.Jun 17 04:52
Ariadne100% free software in the firmwareJun 17 04:52
Ariadnei have a radeon gpu thoughJun 17 04:52
Ariadneso still a binary blob for that ;/Jun 17 04:53
Ariadnebut linux loads thatJun 17 04:53
rbraun/fnhas a great free driver, at least, unlike nvidiaJun 17 04:53
Ariadnei am trying to banish x86 from my lifeJun 17 04:53
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arbitionI think a lot of people are, but it's only starting to become feasible. Intel dropping the ball with their process node helps.Jun 17 04:56
arbitionCan't remember if nVidia finalised aquiring ARM thoughJun 17 04:56
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #LiamProven ☞ Did you know that you can 100% legally get & run #WordPerfect for free? 17 04:56
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arbitionI think they did, and that's not a great road eithreJun 17 04:57
MinceRthat doesn't sound like it will do ARM any favors anywayJun 17 04:57
MinceRrightJun 17 04:57
MinceRbut then there's TrustZone anywayJun 17 04:57
arbitionThere's been a little movement recently on making silicon more accessible for open hardware, but that's fundamentally a difficult problemJun 17 04:57
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #VentureBeat #Programming ☞ U.S. Supreme Court sends #Microsoft #LinkedIn data-scraping suit back to lower court 17 04:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-U.S. Supreme Court sends LinkedIn data-scraping suit back to lower court | VentureBeatJun 17 04:57
MinceRi wonder if the EU is planning to start manufacturing processors around here so that maybe we'll have processors without usian or chinese or russian backdoors in themJun 17 04:57
arbitionby that I mean silicon design and manufactureJun 17 04:58
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techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #WSWS #china #cn #assange ☞ Ai Weiwei’s artwork in support of Julian Assange rejected by Firstsite #UK exhibition so UK is like China? Cancelling dissent?Jun 17 04:58
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arbitionGiven the discussion on IBM before, I'm guessing POWER isn't too popular either? Sorry I haven't read much in the way of a backlog of articlesJun 17 04:58
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arbitionBecause otherwise Talos touts itself as an open alternativeJun 17 04:59
techrights-bot/fn#Microsoft Windows TCO: ● #TheRegisterUK #ProprietarySoftware ☞ #Ryuk #ransomware recovery cost us $8.1m and counting, says Baltimore school authority 17 05:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | AWS is Not GNU/Linux and AWS Certification is a Bezos-Leaning Ploy That Rewards People for Memorising Proprietary Interfaces (Vendor Lock-in) | TechrightsJun 17 05:01
schestowitz[04:52] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, Lenovo adding kernel drivers for ThinkPads and ThinkBooks now.Jun 17 05:02
schestowitzyes, I saw that and mentioned it twiceJun 17 05:02
schestowitzseems Lenovo becomes more pro-Linux than IBM ^_^Jun 17 05:03
schestowitzbut IBM is a low standardJun 17 05:03
techrights-bot/fn#Microsoft Windows TCO: ● #TheEconomist ☞ The methods and menace of the new bank robbers 17 05:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The methods and menace of the new bank robbers | The EconomistJun 17 05:03
MinceRarbition: i don't know. i know they're expensive and i know i don't want to give ibm any moneyJun 17 05:04
MinceRalso, since i want to be able to move around, i tend to prefer laptopsJun 17 05:04
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #IndiaTimes #Confidentiality ☞ #Security flaw found in 2G mobile data encryption standard 17 05:04
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MinceRgenerally the lighter the betterJun 17 05:04
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #TheHill #Confidentiality ☞ Researchers discover flaw in 2G mobile #encryption algorithm 17 05:05
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techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #ABC #Confidentiality ☞ #Security flaw found in #2G mobile data #encryption standard 17 05:05
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schestowitzMinceR: yes, I used to loathe laptopsJun 17 05:07
schestowitzhard to repair and upgradeJun 17 05:07
schestowitzbut now it's good in case of things like moving things around, outages etc.Jun 17 05:07
schestowitzno need to buy UPSJun 17 05:07
schestowitztoday we even took a little laptop out of townJun 17 05:08
schestowitzweighs about 1kg, cost 150 pounds anew, 4 years agoJun 17 05:08
schestowitzlaptops used to be very expensiveJun 17 05:08
schestowitzthe overhyped ones still are.... like paying 10 times more for a better processorJun 17 05:08
schestowitznot ARMJun 17 05:08
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #WSWS #nytimes ☞ New York Times marks 50 years since #PentagonPapers , ignoring persecution of Julian #Assange 17 05:10
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arbitionI've always gone for big heavy laptops.Jun 17 05:13
arbitionAt the moment my laptop is 6 years old though. Haven't seen anything good enough at a reasonable pricepoint to warrant moving. My desktop is similarly agedJun 17 05:14
arbitionI'm kind of at a crossroads so I don't have a criteria set for what I'd get as a replacementJun 17 05:14
techrights-bot/fnVirtual Injustice -- Part 9 will be ready shortly. #epo #corruption #europe #germany #deJun 17 05:14
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux ☞ Build a Raspberry Pi Pico piano 17 05:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Build a Raspberry Pi Pico piano - Raspberry PiJun 17 05:18
MinceRi'm considering an Asus ExpertBook B9Jun 17 05:19
schestowitzasus are goodJun 17 05:19
schestowitzthe hardware qualityJun 17 05:19
schestowitzacer alsoJun 17 05:20
schestowitzi had some good and bad experiences with hpJun 17 05:20
schestowitztaiwanese companies have decent components it seems...Jun 17 05:20
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ "Destiny 2" Creator Bungie Sues Cheat Seller AimJunkies for Copyright Infringement 17 05:21
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techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ Court Sentences Operator of Danish Torrent Trackers to Prison 17 05:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-When Aussies Face a Blocked Pirate Site, 59% Simply Give Up & Don't Try Legal Options * TorrentFreakJun 17 05:27
MinceRthere's a shockerJun 17 05:28
DaemonFCWhen people in Australia face a blocked pirate site 59% give up and do not pay for the thing they were looking for, and 12% find some other way to pirate the thing they were looking for.Jun 17 05:28
arbitionYeah the options here for legal content sucks. Then there's 17 05:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Australia Tax - WikipediaJun 17 05:28
DaemonFCSo, at best, the "loss" to the industry would be 29% of what it says it is.Jun 17 05:28
DaemonFCThat sort of confirms that pirates won't pay anything.Jun 17 05:29
DaemonFC 17 05:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Devs Sneak Movie Piracy Apps Into App Store Disguised as Other Things * TorrentFreakJun 17 05:31
DaemonFCUsing obfuscated code, pirate streaming apps were approved and added to the iOS app store.Jun 17 05:32
arbitionYeah, Chinese do that tooJun 17 05:32
MinceRthe whole 'walled garden' concept is really working, isn't it? :>Jun 17 05:33
arbitionhehJun 17 05:33
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arbitionWhen my wife showed me one, I was like thinking, how can you trust these apps. At least on the web you can use script blockers and stuff.Jun 17 05:34
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techrights-bot/fnExpensive defense lawyer of rich people: no, my client is not lying, or or she said what's believed to be true, even if unintentionally false. Well, such a lawyer isn't a lawyer but a liar. Liars attract other liars.Jun 17 05:41
psydroid> [notice] | Write for Fedora Magazine, please! - Fedora MagazineJun 17 05:41
psydroid"Si. pero en español" "I’m sorry that there are no plans for other language writing for Fedora Magazine. There has been some discussion I believe about translating it though, but I am unaware of the progress with it or indeed if any has been made." LOLJun 17 05:41
arbitionMechanism of US dominance?Jun 17 05:42
arbitionI mean yes there's the UK, but they're not exactly renegadesJun 17 05:42
arbitionI guess as much as app stores are a tool of lock-in, language is too.Jun 17 05:44
arbitionThough it's probably not entirely intentionalJun 17 05:45
AriadnewutJun 17 05:45
arbitionReferring to the OSI?Jun 17 05:46
Ariadnereferring to god knows whatJun 17 05:46
Ariadneroot = rasengan = andrew leeJun 17 05:46
arbitionmy understanding is the OSI intends to be in opposition to the FSFJun 17 05:46
arbitionI mean, he's pretty much taking the anti corporate line, which is a strong theme here. Unfortunately his approach to it is giving it a bad name.Jun 17 05:47
arbitionWhich opens the possibility of whether this was all a set upJun 17 05:47
Ariadnei dont think soJun 17 05:47
Ariadnei think in this case 'big foss' is the irc dev community which have basically agreed to not give him any assistanceJun 17 05:47
arbitionWasn't someone saying before that Libera is showing signs of big corporate woke-ness?Jun 17 05:48
Ariadnewho cares about liberaJun 17 05:48
Ariadneself hosting is where its atJun 17 05:48
arbitionwell, I suppose I could make reference to what I was saying before about app stores, accessibility and lockinJun 17 05:49
Ariadnealpine's plan A was to self-host the irc, but then shit hit the fanJun 17 05:49
Ariadneso we wound up on oftcJun 17 05:49
Ariadnebecause standing up a production quality irc network that can handle the size of alpine's community is not so easyJun 17 05:49
arbitionWell, so long as he doesn't start invoking RMS and FSF, because that will really do bad things for reputationJun 17 05:51
arbitionto the FSF that isJun 17 05:51
schestowitzarbition: FOSS of Macbook Air! Macbook Air is FOSS!Jun 17 05:52
Ariadnei hope it has become obvious to everyone why i do not want andrew involved in the FOSS supply chain by nowJun 17 05:52
schestowitzor Microsoft... NPM supply chain Jun 17 05:53
schestowitzGitHub supply chain Jun 17 05:53
schestowitzNSA in the supply chain Jun 17 05:53
schestowitzyayJun 17 05:53
schestowitzmaybe they can impose "export" rulesJun 17 05:53
schestowitz"sorry, your request cannot be processed from iran. download blocked"Jun 17 05:53
schestowitzWork in progress: 17 05:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | People From Half a Dozen Countries May be Banned From Participating in the Linux Foundation Because It’s Outsourcing Many Projects to Microsoft/GitHub | TechrightsJun 17 05:54
arbitionouchJun 17 05:54
schestowitzreality imitates fictionJun 17 05:54
schestowitzLF = I am wokeJun 17 05:54
schestowitzZemlin: I married SheelaJun 17 05:54
Ariadnethere are certainly other problems in the supply chainJun 17 05:54
schestowitzLF - no FOSS for you!Jun 17 05:54
schestowitzZemlin: FOSS is iPad!Jun 17 05:54
arbitionI'm just remembering what I was saying yesterday about China and export controls with Open Source. hummJun 17 05:55
schestowitz"export"Jun 17 05:55
schestowitzexport my software from my websiteJun 17 05:55
schestowitzunzip the exported fileJun 17 05:55
Ariadnecryptographic export controls are from a different era and are an example of State violenceJun 17 05:55
schestowitzwget is an export programJun 17 05:55
schestowitzcurl alsoJun 17 05:56
schestowitzcurl needs to delete githubJun 17 05:56
schestowitzcurl is piracy export programJun 17 05:56
schestowitzit can export illegal thingsJun 17 05:56
arbitionI mean, it would follow that corporate america follows the US governmentJun 17 05:56
Ariadnearbition: yes, because if they do not, the State will wreck their shitJun 17 05:57
gustafarbition: the OSI and FSF parted ways like ... 25 years ago Jun 17 05:57
Ariadnewe should protest export controls at largeJun 17 05:57
arbitionright, I'm saying the OSI is basically a corporate puppetJun 17 05:57
schestowitzit got worse a few years agoJun 17 05:57
schestowitzand patrick left last yearJun 17 05:58
schestowitzalso left abruptlyJun 17 05:58
schestowitzin a bad stateJun 17 05:58
arbitionSo I'm suggesting that rasengans rant is now shovelling dirt on grassroots open source and is making corporate open source look even shinierJun 17 05:58
gustafthe OSI is barely relevant, but a bit more so than the FSF, when it comes to public perceptions of FLOSSJun 17 05:58
schestowitzthey don't know how to edit the wiki or run an OSI electionJun 17 05:58
schestowitzMaybe Microsoft can help themJun 17 05:58
schestowitzgithub straw pollJun 17 05:58
schestowitzGitHub is FOSS!!!Jun 17 05:58
gustafarbition: rasengan has a very shallow understanding of the nuances of open source Jun 17 05:58
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gustafESR's blog is still offline Jun 17 05:59
arbitionYes, but guilt is frequently by association. A large number of developers are going to see that and not investigate deeperJun 17 05:59
Ariadnegustaf: nothing of value was lostJun 17 05:59
schestowitzthey tried to hijack the brandJun 17 05:59
schestowitzthat's OK, ages ago we moved back to Free softwareJun 17 06:00
schestowitzand they will not hijack that term so easilyJun 17 06:00
schestowitzit's harder to fake freedomJun 17 06:00
arbitionAh ok. Will keep it in mindJun 17 06:00
schestowitzsome github repo doesn't impress people who value freedomJun 17 06:00
gustafAriadne: not sure who's running Freenode's Twitter account but it sure doesn't sound like Lee... I love how they're screenshotting a line by @sadie on IRC instead of ,y'know, replying to her on Twitter...Jun 17 06:00
arbitionSo I should be saying free software as the licence is more important than the accessJun 17 06:00
Ariadneas theo de raadt says, "i do free software, i have no idea what open source is"Jun 17 06:00
Ariadnegustaf: thats a common mobbing tacticJun 17 06:01
gustafyeah I can see it ... Jun 17 06:01
schestowitzno context this wayJun 17 06:01
schestowitzmaybe the context or replies scare themJun 17 06:01
arbitionIt does make me think though. Will Free software eventually be forced to operate much like piracy operations.Jun 17 06:01
schestowitzTwitter is a waste of timeJun 17 06:02
schestowitzit should never be any project's formal comms toolJun 17 06:02
arbitionSort of wonder what it'd be like if the entire Free Software ecosystem was on Tor or i2p or whateverJun 17 06:02
schestowitzor government'sJun 17 06:02
schestowitzsee NigeriaJun 17 06:02
gustafAriadne: well Theo cuts to the heart of the matter, right? To him, BSD is "free software", but RMS disagrees that it's "Free Software" Jun 17 06:02
schestowitzFSF gave him an awardJun 17 06:02
gustafAriadne: re: size of communities for IRC self-hosting, how large is #alpine + ancillary channels? Jun 17 06:03
schestowitzalso, we use some of their software, they use ours, or so the thinking goes...Jun 17 06:03
Ariadnegustaf: ~2k usersJun 17 06:03
gustafAriadne: taJun 17 06:03
gustafschestowitz: did he accept? ;)Jun 17 06:03
Ariadnegustaf: the problem isn't one of capacity, but rather coming up with a plan to deal with herding ~2k usersJun 17 06:03
schestowitzgustaf: who?Jun 17 06:03
schestowitzah, okJun 17 06:03
schestowitzyes, he didJun 17 06:03
schestowitzbut later he'd mock RMSJun 17 06:03
schestowitzseems like an fsf traditionJun 17 06:04
gustafde Raadt is a bit of a dick Jun 17 06:04
schestowitzrewarding RMS bashersJun 17 06:04
Ariadnefor techrights, i just threw up a container in like 5 minutes using the official ergo ircd whatever container imageJun 17 06:04
schestowitz 17 06:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why Does the FSF Keep Rewarding People Who Work Against the FSF’s Founder? | TechrightsJun 17 06:04
Ariadneohh ohh ohhJun 17 06:04
Ariadnei know why!Jun 17 06:04
Ariadnewanna know why schestowitz?Jun 17 06:04
schestowitzgo onJun 17 06:04
Ariadnethe FSF awards are basically RMS's way of trying to make peace offerings with people he pissed offJun 17 06:05
XFaCEschestowitz: Agreed with Twitter, it tends to encourage individuals with narcissistic tendencies.Jun 17 06:05
arbitionPerfectly cynical. I love itJun 17 06:05
arbition(the FSF award I mean)Jun 17 06:05
Ariadnetheo de raadt got an award after ripping on RMSJun 17 06:06
Ariadnebradley kuhn got an award after ripping on RMSJun 17 06:06
AriadneetcJun 17 06:06
XFaCEActually Theo went off after getting the award.Jun 17 06:06
XFaCENot that it matters.Jun 17 06:07
schestowitzyes, it usually comes AFTERJun 17 06:07
Ariadnewell i would not want to argue with our resident openbsd person :)Jun 17 06:07
schestowitzde Icaza, NicholsonJun 17 06:07
XFaCEMy existence is a political issue.Jun 17 06:08
Ariadnewhose isn'tJun 17 06:08
XFaCEMost peoplesJun 17 06:08
schestowitzAlso, SFC backed the anti-RMS letterJun 17 06:08
schestowitzjust DAYS after the Kuhn awardJun 17 06:08
schestowitzalthough not under his nameJun 17 06:08
Ariadnegustaf: anyway, in case of alpine, "lol throw up an ircd" isn't enough of a planJun 17 06:08
Ariadnethe infrastructure team wanted to establish an IRC team to handle the IRC network, which we were working on, but then shit hit the fan and we decided "fuck it, plan B"Jun 17 06:09
gustafI got an email from a reader of my coverage who found it "suspicious" that Libera was up and running Jun 17 06:09
gustafso fast Jun 17 06:09
Ariadneit does not take that long to set up an irc network with puppetJun 17 06:10
Ariadneif you have a planJun 17 06:10
Ariadnein the case of libera, they already had a plan: just duplicate what freenode had already set upJun 17 06:10
gustafI think the draft resignation letters leaked around 14 MayJun 17 06:10
gustafand flag day was 19 ? Jun 17 06:10
schestowitz'leaked'Jun 17 06:11
arbitionI don't see why that's a suprise. People are allowed to commune in secretJun 17 06:11
gustafgonna reply that old FN staff was *competent*, unlike current Jun 17 06:11
AdmFubar 17 06:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-After Eight Years And Three Reviews Of The Case, Indiana Supreme Court Rules Police Must Return Seized Car To Its Owner | TechdirtJun 17 06:11
arbitionWell the leak I can't speak toJun 17 06:11
gustafarbition: I mean if you're not extremely online this came as a bit of a shockJun 17 06:11
gustafI however am, for my sins :PJun 17 06:12
arbitionI'm just saying that they were cooperatively drafting their departure isn't a suprise.Jun 17 06:12
schestowitzgustaf: the leak predates 14th 17 06:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Understanding How Freenode (IRC) Works — or Doesn’t Work — in 2021 | TechrightsJun 17 06:12
Ariadnegustaf: i had the resign letters on may 10thJun 17 06:12
AdmFubar 17 06:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Three million job cuts coming at Indian services giants by next year, says Bank of America • The RegisterJun 17 06:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Need for Reliable Governance at Freenode | TechrightsJun 17 06:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Andrew Lee of Private Internet Access/London Trust Media Increasingly Owns and Controls Freenode (Updatedx2) | TechrightsJun 17 06:14
gustafarbition: agreedJun 17 06:14
schestowitz13thJun 17 06:14
techrights-bot/fnWhile the rich are getting a lot richer. 17 06:15
gustafthanks for the links all Jun 17 06:16
AdmFubar 17 06:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Other First Computer: Konrad Zuse And The Z3 | HackadayJun 17 06:17
arbitionWell this hasn't gone quite as I'd planned. I've spent a lot of time here I've "borrowed". I suppose I'll just keep up with techrights and read logs occasionally. I'd better go or else be faced with temptationJun 17 06:22
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arbitionThanks for chatting. I'm glad I found you guysJun 17 06:22
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AdmFubartime for bed here night allJun 17 06:32
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techrights-bot/fnA lot of the time people who lack the talent call those who have it "bigots" because they lack another way to competeJun 17 07:28
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techrights-bot/fn#vista11 Look "Inspired" by KDE Plasma and GNOME? We try to find out. • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 17 07:53
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techrights-bot/fnVirtual Injustice — Part 9: Heli, the EPO’s Nordic Ice-Queen #finland #epo #swpats #patents #europeJun 17 08:33
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gustafif someone has a working weechat /filter for the bot chatter, I'd like to see it... I had one that worked on the old network but for some reason it's not correct here Jun 17 09:26
schestowitzyou mean techrights-bot/fn?Jun 17 09:37
schestowitzif your IRC client does not support muting for whatever reason, a shadow botless channel can be constructed, I suppose, but would be performance overkillJun 17 09:38
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techrights-bot/fn"RLW used a color printer to print the docs she leaked, and the model of printer in her office printed yellow #trackerDots. Then #wikileaks scanned the docs, and the tracker dots appeared on the digital copy that #wikileaks published, which trivially traced to RLW's office." 17 09:51
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techrights-bot/fnwas burned by an ENEMY of #wikileaks -- Mr. Omidyar and his flunkies -- whereas Wikileaks and myself back then cautioned against use of printers because of these hidden dots. STOP BLAMING WIKILEAKS FOR THE WRONG THINGS!Jun 17 09:53
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gustafschestowitz: I'll try to recreate my filters Jun 17 09:55
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schestowitzgustaf: the usernames are consistent by designJun 17 09:58
gustafschestowitz: that's great! I'm new to weechat so its filtering is a bit confusingJun 17 09:59
schestowitzAriadne: if you ask to revoke the signature in the "Remove RMS" letter and suggest someone like leah, then we can do a constructive article about thatJun 17 10:35
schestowitzI think the FSF would appreciate that, tooJun 17 10:35
schestowitzat the moment I am doing an article about GNU C Library (glibc) and GNU Portability Library (gnulib) Jun 17 10:35
Ariadnewell i no longer support the updated position of the letter anywayJun 17 10:40
Ariadnehowever, if i choose to remove the signature, i do not wish to have an article about that.Jun 17 10:41
Ariadneas in: i will be very annoyed if techrights covers the removal of my signatureJun 17 10:43
schestowitzyeah, I knowJun 17 10:44
schestowitzhence I brought that upJun 17 10:44
schestowitzwell, if you do remove it, I promise not to mention itJun 17 10:45
schestowitzI actually discussed a month ago with RMS and Oliva how people who want to be removed would think twice from fear of the removal becoming a visible eventJun 17 10:45
schestowitzbecause Oliva wanted to make it easier for people to just make it clear they have some remorseJun 17 10:46
schestowitzbut said nobody would wish to "go first"Jun 17 10:46
AriadneRMS gave what i wanted as a precondition for his rejoining the board anyway: a union-elected seat on the boardJun 17 10:46
Ariadnehe made several other concessionsJun 17 10:47
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #Techdirt #patents ☞ Think Tech Companies Are Too Monopolistic? Then Stop Giving Them #Patent #Monopolies 17 10:48
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Ariadneso i am fine with it.  what i did not want was a return to what it was in the past.Jun 17 10:48
schestowitzthe issues have changedJun 17 10:48
schestowitzright now it's the CLA thingJun 17 10:48
Ariadneyes, i want to abolish the CLAJun 17 10:48
schestowitzmy next article is about thisJun 17 10:49
Ariadneanybody who wants to send a patch to a GNU software should be able to do soJun 17 10:49
Ariadneas it is in linuxJun 17 10:49
Ariadnebut regardless RMS did not just meet, but exceeded what i wantedJun 17 10:49
Ariadnealso i have talked to people in FSF and the main reason for having RMS back is to plan for his succession Jun 17 10:51
Ariadneand well i have no objection to that.  it’s a conversation that has been needed for a long timeJun 17 10:51
schestowitzover a decadeJun 17 10:52
schestowitzwe spoke about this in 2007 in TechrightsJun 17 10:52
schestowitzhe was a lot younger back then, so it wasn't as rude, it wasn't like talking about a 70 year old like he's on his deathbedJun 17 10:54
AriadneanywayJun 17 10:55
Ariadneit has been communicated to me that when the board said “we can’t do this without him” what they were referring to was the succession planJun 17 10:55
Ariadneusers here may have noticed that i said union elected board memberJun 17 10:58
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AriadneFSF is unionized.  it is unionized because employees wanted a better deal with RMSJun 17 11:00
schestowitzthat's a positive thingJun 17 11:00
schestowitzcompared to how it was a year agoJun 17 11:00
Ariadnei will say that RMS did not fight unionization, he took it gracefullyJun 17 11:00
AriadneFSF has been unionized since 2005Jun 17 11:00
Ariadnei think unionizing FSF was actually goodJun 17 11:01
techrights-bot/fnResponse to #Misinformation From #EPO Officials #patents #swpatsJun 17 11:01
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schestowitzwill?Jun 17 11:01
schestowitzit's OK as long as the workers are pro-freeswJun 17 11:02
schestowitza union would become problematic to the mission if they hired poorlyJun 17 11:02
Ariadnethey are but they like having vacation time and sick daysJun 17 11:02
schestowitzand then give control to everyday workers whose views are not aligned with the missionJun 17 11:02
Ariadneand bereavement leaveJun 17 11:03
AriadneRMS had unrealistic expectations of his staffJun 17 11:04
Ariadnethe union contract fixed a lot of thingsJun 17 11:06
Ariadnebut i can say that the FSF staff are quite supportive of free software Jun 17 11:07
Ariadneyou don’t become an FSF employee without supporting free softwareJun 17 11:07
Ariadnelike even with unionization, the pay is under competitive to other employersJun 17 11:08
Ariadnehowever… for comparisonJun 17 11:08
Ariadneon payJun 17 11:08
Ariadnethe FSF sysadminsJun 17 11:08
Ariadnewere getting $28,000/year prior to the unionJun 17 11:09
Ariadneafter the union it got bumped to $60,000Jun 17 11:09
Ariadneso basically doubleJun 17 11:09
Ariadnein boston, $28k is under the poverty line while $60k is livableJun 17 11:10
schestowitzwas it really that low?Jun 17 11:13
schestowitzthe irs filings did not show salaries for those levelsJun 17 11:13
schestowitzthey shows johns'sJun 17 11:13
schestowitz*showJun 17 11:13
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techrights-bot/fn[Meme] The Enlarged Bored People With Presidential Decrees #epo #europe #patent #lawJun 17 11:35
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techrights-bot/fnGoogle #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 17 11:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 17 11:36
Ariadnethe irs filings only show executive compensationJun 17 11:39
Ariadnenot employee compensationJun 17 11:39
Ariadneand yes, they wereJun 17 11:39
Ariadnebut that was then and this is nowJun 17 11:40
Ariadnethe union contract which RMS supported anyway, ensured they had marginally decent employee pay, a shop steward to raise issues with, vacation/sick/etc timeJun 17 11:40
Ariadnei think in this case the situation was largely that RMS transitioned from academia to running FSF and thus had never really worked an actual job before and so didn’t know what was standard :pJun 17 11:41
Ariadneso i think he wanted to do right by his employees, and the unionization helped him achieve thatJun 17 11:43
schestowitzsalaries there are indeed laughableJun 17 11:44
schestowitzacademia that isJun 17 11:44
schestowitzto the point where I can get the same pay just working elsewhere a few hours a weekJun 17 11:44
schestowitzand academic freedom is gone tooJun 17 11:44
schestowitzthey become corporate shillsJun 17 11:45
schestowitzwith labs funded by corporations that pay their employees like 4 times moreJun 17 11:45
schestowitzand want to render scholars a "studies" millJun 17 11:45
activelowi could show you the contracts german telecom offered, due to "international competition" and suchJun 17 11:45
Ariadneat least RMS has never said anything bad about the union and has considered it a point of pride that his employees ARE unionizedJun 17 11:45
Ariadneso i don’t think he has ever had a problem with it :)Jun 17 11:45
activelowasked if I was interested in a PHd programme with them... left.Jun 17 11:46
schestowitz(IBM, Microsoft, Google, Intel)Jun 17 11:46
schestowitz"woke" enough to "fund" (bribe) labsJun 17 11:46
activelowTelco is a somewhat different domainJun 17 11:46
schestowitzand sometimes studentsJun 17 11:46
Ariadneanyway, between understanding more deeply the context of why he was brought back, and the concessions the board made to balance it outJun 17 11:49
Ariadnei don’t support the letter’s continued call for his removalJun 17 11:49
Ariadnemy position was “can we not”Jun 17 11:50
Ariadnenot “there’s no possible outcome where this is ok”Jun 17 11:50
activelowsorry for interrupting, salary triggered meJun 17 11:51
activelowdidn't follow the defamation campagin against RMSJun 17 11:52
Ariadnewell the incidents the letter outline did happen Jun 17 11:53
Ariadneand i did not find myself enthusiastic about themJun 17 11:53
Ariadnethough some things in media have also been misrepresented Jun 17 11:53
AriadneRMS for example called epstein later in the thread a ‘serial rapist’Jun 17 11:53
activelowdidn't follow the epstein and weinstein scandals either, this is anglo-american realm and mindset i am not accustomed toJun 17 11:54
Ariadnei made a more balanced and reasonable case for why i gave the letter my support on my blogJun 17 11:55
Ariadneit had little to do with the actual content of the letter, but rather his actual job performance as head of FSFJun 17 11:55
techrights-bot/fnToo Much Noise and/or Distraction and General Loss of Focus (on the Real and Urgent Issues, Such as the Ongoing Anti-FSF 'Coup') #fsf #gnu #freesw #microsoft #vista11Jun 17 11:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Too Much Noise and/or Distraction and General Loss of Focus (on the Real and Urgent Issues, Such as the Ongoing Anti-FSF ‘Coup’) | TechrightsJun 17 11:56
Ariadneand those concerns are largely addressed nowJun 17 11:56
Ariadnebut i think something RMS should realize is, he has an obligation to make space for people to grow into leadership positions in GNU and FSFJun 17 11:56
schestowitz[11:53] <Ariadne> RMS for example called epstein later in the thread a ‘serial rapist’Jun 17 11:56
schestowitzHe called him that in April 2019Jun 17 11:57
AriadneyesJun 17 11:57
schestowitznot just later in some threadJun 17 11:57
schestowitz(or at all)Jun 17 11:57
Ariadnebut also in the MIT threadJun 17 11:57
schestowitzbut the point here, he was by no means defending the actions at any pointJun 17 11:57
Ariadnehe should have left it alone tbhJun 17 11:57
schestowitzthat's not how he isJun 17 11:58
schestowitzhe does want to be able to touch controversial issuesJun 17 11:58
Ariadnepeople were rightly pissed that MIT took his moneyJun 17 11:58
schestowitzapparently this is becoming less possible over timeJun 17 11:58
schestowitzsame for comediansJun 17 11:58
schestowitzwho chicken out of jokes that might offend someoneJun 17 11:58
schestowitzAriadne: MIT took Gates moneyJun 17 11:58
schestowitzvia EpsteinJun 17 11:58
schestowitznot Epstein moneyJun 17 11:59
Ariadnesure but inserting yourself into a group of people who are upset isn’t good planJun 17 11:59
schestowitzEpstein was Bill's muleJun 17 11:59
Ariadnei don’t understand thatJun 17 11:59
schestowitzlet me show you the letterJun 17 11:59
Ariadneif bill wanted to give mit moneyJun 17 11:59
schestowitzthere are severalJun 17 11:59
Ariadnecouldn’t he just do it himselfJun 17 11:59
schestowitz 17 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Joi Ito Already Admitted on the Record That Bill Gates Had Paid MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein | TechrightsJun 17 11:59
Ariadnewhy go through a sleeve allJun 17 11:59
AriadneJun 17 12:00
Ariadnesleezeball Jun 17 12:00
schestowitzthere's moreJun 17 12:00
schestowitzbut would take me time to findJun 17 12:00
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Ariadneanyway point is people were mad that money tainted by epstein was accepted by MITJun 17 12:00
schestowitzMelinda went to divorce lawyers that mothJun 17 12:00
schestowitzMIT still covers the arse of Bill 17 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Massachusetts Institute of Tall Tales (MIT) Covers Up Bill Gates Bribery of MIT Through a High-Profile Pedophile, Citing No Evidence Other Than Representatives of Gates Himself | TechrightsJun 17 12:01
schestowitzand MITJun 17 12:01
AriadneanywayJun 17 12:01
schestowitzinstead of pursuing real investigationJun 17 12:01
schestowitzsame it did to SwartzJun 17 12:01
Ariadnepoint isJun 17 12:01
Ariadne[05:56] <Ariadne> but i think something RMS should realize is, he has an obligation to make space for people to grow into leadership positions in GNU and FSFJun 17 12:01
Ariadnethis is something he needs to do more effectively Jun 17 12:02
schestowitzremoving him has not helpedJun 17 12:02
Ariadnemany people feel that there is a vacuum in the presence of RMSJun 17 12:02
Ariadneindeed notJun 17 12:02
schestowitz1.5 years of FSF with a loss of directionJun 17 12:02
Ariadneloss of direction has been longer than 1.5 years imoJun 17 12:03
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AriadneGNU is underfunded for years while FSF has marketing campaigns about windows being badJun 17 12:03
AriadneFSF needs to solve that.  make alliances, do something.  get GNU well fundedJun 17 12:04
schestowitzWindows is badJun 17 12:05
schestowitzthey need to get back to talking about thatJun 17 12:05
schestowitzfunding tends to come with stringsJun 17 12:06
schestowitzthey need membersJun 17 12:06
schestowitzmany members are diverse enough to avoid the stringsJun 17 12:06
schestowitzand you don't get more members by showing a page that says thank GNU Google, IBM etc.Jun 17 12:06
schestowitzfigosdev wrote about itJun 17 12:06
schestowitzthe members have no influenceJun 17 12:06
schestowitzthe big sponsors doJun 17 12:06
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schestowitztoo many sponsors and you end up as LFJun 17 12:07
schestowitzwith a joke of a directionJun 17 12:07
schestowitz 17 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation Has Killed the Linux Brand (in Pursuit of Short-Term Profits) | TechrightsJun 17 12:07
activelowand the roadmap of big sponsors is to 1) remain big and 2) prevent small business succeedingJun 17 12:07
schestowitzpeople now pay LF just to ATTACK "Linux"Jun 17 12:07
schestowitzand the GPLJun 17 12:07
schestowitztechrights is doing well BECAUSE it never depended on begging for money or pushing adsJun 17 12:08
schestowitzand that won't be changing Jun 17 12:08
schestowitzso we can criticise everything and everyoneJun 17 12:08
schestowitzOSI quit pushing to replace Windows in voting machinesJun 17 12:09
schestowitzinstead it is PUSHING ITS OWN BUDGET to PROPRIETARY GitHubJun 17 12:09
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schestowitzwhere Microsodft is openwashing Windows in election/voting machinesJun 17 12:09
activelowa moment ago i was asking and chatting a little in #fsf on freenode, accusing them of supporting non-free proprietary systemsJun 17 12:09
schestowitzvoteGuard of whatever they call that crapJun 17 12:09
schestowitzOSI is finishedJun 17 12:09
schestowitzdeadJun 17 12:09
schestowitzfinished. Full stopJun 17 12:09
schestowitzand they know itJun 17 12:09
schestowitznow they just try to edit wikipedia to claim otherwiseJun 17 12:10
schestowitzto keep a bit of money flowing inJun 17 12:10
schestowitz 17 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Libel Initiative: OSI President Falsely Insinuates OSI Critics Are Homophobic and Requests Censorship of Wikipedia (for OSI) | TechrightsJun 17 12:10
activelowwhile fsf effectively supports vendors such as Intel meanwhile truly free and open isn't at least on topic: http://www.j-core.orgJun 17 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | J-core Open ProcessorJun 17 12:10
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Techrights-secThu, 17 Jun 21 10:56:53 +0000:[Ariadne] but i think something RMS should realize is, he has an obligation to make space for peopJun 17 12:12
Techrights-secle to grow into leadership positions in GNU and FSFJun 17 12:12
Techrights-sec""Jun 17 12:12
Techrights-secA very important point.  RMS needs to use this "extra" time to getJun 17 12:12
Techrights-secFSF and GNU set up so that they continue on track without him.  He canJun 17 12:12
Techrights-secand ought to contribute as long as he is around but it would Jun 17 12:12
Techrights-secbe irresponsible to set things up to just fall over the hour he passes on,Jun 17 12:12
Techrights-secsort of like what happened at the EFF.Jun 17 12:12
schestowitzCindy Cohn makes EFF look like a political wing with political objectives, sometimes at the expense of techJun 17 12:13
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Techrights-secyes, tech has been badly sidelined at the EFF.  They barely even makeJun 17 12:14
Techrights-seca token effort any more.Jun 17 12:14
gustafI've never thought of EFF as a tech-first org, but as a political lobbying group that happens to be focused on electronic communicationJun 17 12:16
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activelowwhatever the strategy of FSF was it didn't succeed with to my knowledgeJun 17 12:17
activelowreasons exist to keep such a project low profile in publicJun 17 12:17
schestowitzgustaf: I heard that tooJun 17 12:18
schestowitzbut mostly alluding to recent eyarsJun 17 12:18
schestowitzlike EFF is a SF-based lobbying armJun 17 12:19
schestowitzthis was not like this 5 or 10 years agoJun 17 12:19
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schestowitzthey also worked to defend dissidents like Ola Bini and AssangeJun 17 12:19
schestowitzbut I guess the new management does not agree with the (co)founder and now-dead leaderJun 17 12:19
schestowitzso they have some other prioritiesJun 17 12:19
schestowitzand the EFF's name helps them make a big differentJun 17 12:19
schestowitzattack PGPJun 17 12:19
schestowitzattack RMSJun 17 12:20
schestowitzattack Microsoft's competitorsJun 17 12:20
schestowitzgive award to MicrosoftJun 17 12:20
schestowitzpromote Microsoft proxiesJun 17 12:20
schestowitzI'm done with them, except here and there when they say something of valueJun 17 12:20
schestowitzthey used to fight software patentsJun 17 12:20
schestowitzor "bad patents"Jun 17 12:20
schestowitznow they barely talk about it anymoreJun 17 12:20
schestowitzthey seem to have discarded the staffJun 17 12:21
schestowitzDaniel Nazer moved to MozillaJun 17 12:21
schestowitzAlex leftJun 17 12:21
schestowitzRanieri vanishedJun 17 12:21
schestowitzJoe Mullin alsoJun 17 12:21
schestowitzit's not even clear who rides that ship anymoreJun 17 12:21
schestowitzor where it is sailingJun 17 12:21
schestowitzkind of like OSI... which OMG... is a joke!!!Jun 17 12:21
schestowitzThey do NOTHINGJun 17 12:21
schestowitzthey can't even run their own electionJun 17 12:22
techrights-bot/fnI already lost respect for Tim Berners-Lee when he added #DRM crap and promoted JavaScript utter shite in #Microsoft #proprietarySoftware cage, #github he has no relevance anymore... he knows it.Jun 17 12:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Funny how Sir Tim Berners-Lee, famous for hyperlinks, is into NFTs, glorified hyperlinks • The RegisterJun 17 12:23
activelowadd to this i am concerned about what is provided to pupils in schoolsJun 17 12:26
techrights-bot/fnTim Berners-Lee, a a Brit, started the #www in #switzerland and over time passed 110% control over the #w3c to imperialistic (and DRM, Pentagon-connected) AMERICAN corporations, rendering himself obsolete, except in some textbooks about the #history of the WebJun 17 12:26
activelowbegining with calculators such as texas instruments TI89, whose firmware sources and computer algebra system remained fully closedJun 17 12:27
kingoffranceeh, its business. 1) partner with textbook company, get steps for using your calculator in required textbook 2) require your model calculator require for class 3) ...   4) profit!Jun 17 12:28
activelowsituation in university was even worse, since the laboraties at german telecom univiersities where flooded with equipment for hundreds of millions of cashJun 17 12:29
techrights-bot/fn"Terra Nil is an absolute gem you can play right now on free (which is now named as the Prototype) but it's also getting a total rewrite to be a full commercial game and the new Terra Nil is coming to Linux." 17 12:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Return a wasteland to green glory in the upcoming Terra Nil | GamingOnLinuxJun 17 12:29
kingoffrancei mean, yes im sure it is bad, and im sure i am old, but its gone on a long timeJun 17 12:29
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kingoffrancemy favorite teacher wrote his own book. yes, he presumably got some profit.  but it was cheaper for him to self-publish and require it than any other things.Jun 17 12:30
kingoffrancelike, cheap paper and cover.  i loved thatJun 17 12:30
kingoffrancethis was a community college long time agoJun 17 12:30
kingoffrancesomehow he got it approvedJun 17 12:30
kingoffrance*cheaper for everyoneJun 17 12:31
activelowironically german telecom had sponsored me with a Solaris machine, for "free", didn't unbox that thing at least, the size of a giant cabinetJun 17 12:31
kingoffrancei dont know who "published" it, but the point was he somewhat bypassed the normal playersJun 17 12:31
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schestowitzbooks are overratedJun 17 12:32
schestowitzI spoke about it with a friend yesterday for hours because he had long wanted to write a bookJun 17 12:33
schestowitzbut to him, it's not a matter of selling itJun 17 12:33
schestowitzjust writing somethingJun 17 12:33
schestowitzbut then, what's the point perfecting it?Jun 17 12:33
schestowitzstructurally, grammaticallyJun 17 12:33
schestowitzif only few will read itJun 17 12:33
schestowitzwith a phd thesis you at least get a diplomaJun 17 12:33
schestowitzeven if few will actually read itJun 17 12:33
activelowthe last i wrote was in 2016, didn't even bother with sending this to the university anymoreJun 17 12:34
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kingoffrancei wonder if phones/tablets etc. are eating into calculatorsJun 17 12:34
kingoffrancei mean, i would not underestaime all the things they do, just seems that would eventually be competitionJun 17 12:35
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activelowfsf too seems fully agnostic towards international telco, although my last update on what's relevant there was 2004Jun 17 12:37
activelowit isn't at least possible to download the standard for x.509Jun 17 12:37
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activelowschestowitz: since you mentioned books, interesting stories can be told about former east-german publishers of scientific literaturesJun 17 12:56
activelowi am still puzzled it was possible to "sell" a university library such as Leipzig University, or Prussian Academy of SciencesJun 17 12:57
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immibiswhy would it not be? in capitalism, everything is for saleJun 17 12:58
activelowalthough i didn't investigate this in detail yet, the common public opinion was "uncompetitive" to close east-german facilities (robotron), and all universities are under control of west-german bureaucrats nowJun 17 12:58
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kingoffranceeh, its another PPPJun 17 13:07
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immibisis west germany more bureaucratic than east germany?Jun 17 13:17
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activelowimmibis: when germany "re-united" i was 9 years old. and the burecracy i know is 1) under total control of EU/western regime and 2) corruptJun 17 13:24
activelow*bureaucracyJun 17 13:26
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techrights-bot/fn#BOYBEATSWORLD is an overlooked fun and quirky rhythm action adventure | GamingOnLinux ⚓ ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧Jun 17 13:45
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immibisactivelow: yeah but the question is whether east germany was betterJun 17 13:47
immibiswasn't it under total control of the soviet regime, and corrupt?Jun 17 13:47
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gustafimmibis: "total control" is questionableJun 17 13:54
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gustaf"corrupt", eh. the historian Norman Davies describes the Communist regimes as "bandit governments", i.e. they were above the law . But I'm pretty sure formal bribery was not condoned in the DDRJun 17 14:00
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activelowimmibis: what is presented as history and common sense is falsified most often anywayJun 17 14:07
activelowmaybe, one important fact, east and west always cooperated, long before "re-unification", to name one example which are the oil and gas pipelines whose construction began in 1970s iircJun 17 14:08
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activelowinsofar it is difficult to say which was supposedly better than the other, in any case alot has changed after 1990Jun 17 14:09
techrights-bot/fnToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 17 14:13
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DaemonFCAlmost everyone I know works for Amazon, for a few months, at some point.Jun 17 14:15
DaemonFCYou might get hired there, but they have policies in place to make sure that most of their employees last a few years, tops.Jun 17 14:16
activelowimmibis: both west AND east can be considered apartheid regimes, to oppress some specific groups of people and keep them on low salaryJun 17 14:16
activelowand this tradition continued without interruptionJun 17 14:16
DaemonFCBezos basically bragged that they don't create long term employment opportunities because he feels "people get lazier over time".Jun 17 14:17
activelowthe biggest German Amazon transport hub is located in east germany, LeipzigJun 17 14:17
DaemonFCLogically though, they should blow through nearly their entire potential workforce and then have to rehire people they fired.Jun 17 14:17
immibiseast germany predates amazonJun 17 14:17
techrights-bot/fnStories from the amazing world of #11 ⚓ ䷉ #communityfedoraprojectJun 17 14:18
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immibisit was gone before amazon was thereJun 17 14:18
immibisi don't think we can say east germany influenced amazonJun 17 14:18
activelowyes, and until today ~95% of cash is circulating in the western regions, although east germany is 20% of the populationJun 17 14:18
immibis 17 14:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [On-line RPG] The story of how hoarded wealth almost sunk an economy : HobbyDramaJun 17 14:19
activelowamazon was welcomed even as an investor, in a region which was leading in science and engineering for hundreds of years, and then reclassified as "low wage region"Jun 17 14:19
immibisthis reddit post describes the modern economyJun 17 14:22
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DaemonFC<activelow> amazon was welcomed even as an investor, in a region which was leading in science and engineering for hundreds of years, and then reclassified as "low wage region"Jun 17 14:24
DaemonFCThat pretty much describes what America turned into.Jun 17 14:24
DaemonFCA leading innovator in science and industry for many years, and now it's just fat people buying shit at Walmart and Amazon.Jun 17 14:25
immibisbuying on its own isn't bad, buying is the whole point of the economy. The problem is the lack of innovation and that it's *just* buyingJun 17 14:25
DaemonFCNot even anything they need, usually. Just thousands down the toilet putting three TVs and half a pallot of water in their cart.Jun 17 14:26
immibis... except innovation is happening, it's just that the average joe isn't involvedJun 17 14:26
immibisamerica still has all the biggest tech companiesJun 17 14:26
immibisit just doesn't trickle downJun 17 14:26
DaemonFCI literally saw someone put three TVs in a cart and then fill another one with bottled water the other day.Jun 17 14:26
immibisDaemonFC: After people are fed, letting people have more TVs is basically the point of the economyJun 17 14:26
DaemonFCI said, "Wow, we got ourselves a convoy!".Jun 17 14:26
DaemonFC<immibis> DaemonFC: After people are fed, letting people have more TVs is basically the point of the economyJun 17 14:27
DaemonFCI don't see the point. I mean, it's a screen with HDMI cables.Jun 17 14:27
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immibisyou don't need to quote what I literally just saidJun 17 14:27
DaemonFCHow many years have those existed.Jun 17 14:27
immibisDaemonFC: What is the purpose of an economy?Jun 17 14:27
DaemonFCYou'd think everyone would own one by now.Jun 17 14:27
DaemonFCHow are they still selling so many?Jun 17 14:27
immibisif everyone has one, but the TV factories are still there, people can get more than one. You've surely seen a video wall at some pointJun 17 14:28
immibisthat is more beneficial than shutting down the TV factoriesJun 17 14:28
DaemonFCThe TV set isn't really all that innovative anymore.Jun 17 14:28
immibisalso poorer people can get better TVs. I'm sure we've all seen *that* progression over the last 20 yearsJun 17 14:28
DaemonFCI remember when there was some new invention every few years. My dad even had a few patents on them.Jun 17 14:28
immibisWhat kind of inventions are you talking about?Jun 17 14:29
immibisdid your dad invent the TV?Jun 17 14:29
DaemonFCIt pretty much stopped with 4K, which is not even that much of a useful improvement.Jun 17 14:29
activelowapropos Television, which is the realm of Telco protocols too, it is no coincidence DVB-T2 receivers are effectively non-freeJun 17 14:29
DaemonFC<immibis> did your dad invent the TV?Jun 17 14:29
DaemonFCCRT components that resulted in higher picture quality.Jun 17 14:29
DaemonFCNobody uses CRT televisions anymore, really.Jun 17 14:29
DaemonFCThey put them out at the curb and that was that.Jun 17 14:30
DaemonFCThe tube burns out eventually after a long time.Jun 17 14:30
immibisDaemonFC: those inventions still happen. Today's TVs are "better" than 10 years ago. Mostly in resolution, also in dumb proprietary features that most people still think make the picture look betterJun 17 14:30
DaemonFCIt usually starts doing weird things first though.Jun 17 14:30
activelowanalog-TV is dead, with which i could have watched Euro soccer, and DVB-T2 forces me to use a separate non-free TV-boxJun 17 14:30
immibisDaemonFC: but even if they are not, that just means they're happening in other fields. Today's inventions are all fintech, working out how to extract the most money from the massesJun 17 14:31
DaemonFCThe "smart" features that are baked into TV firmware stop getting updates and then they become too slow to use and finally get locked out of the apps entirely.Jun 17 14:31
activelowand guess who is head of this? Korean Telecom Mr. Lee "IPTV" expert installed at ITU-TJun 17 14:31
DaemonFCOr the company that made the app doesn't exist.Jun 17 14:31
DaemonFCSo you need to plug something else into the TV to keep using it.Jun 17 14:31
immibisDaemonFC: so you're saying people are inventing ways to get more moneyJun 17 14:31
immibisalmost like capitalism is a failure because it requires thisJun 17 14:31
DaemonFCIt really makes little sense to buy a TV where the apps are a feature that add a significant amount of money if you're just going to have to plug a dongle into it anyway soon.Jun 17 14:32
immibisDaemonFC: you can't deny the apps are still an innovation. Every innovation starts off imperfect. (this one will stay imperfect forever because it's more profitable)Jun 17 14:33
DaemonFCThey're not really an innovation. At least not a good one.Jun 17 14:33
DaemonFCThe $150 a month bundle o' crap is back.Jun 17 14:33
activelowi would rather prefer crypto-dongles were required, yet in germany they decided "public tv must remain 'free'"Jun 17 14:33
DaemonFCThey finally figured out what to do about people canceling cable.Jun 17 14:33
activelowotherwise they couldn't enforce taxpayers money being paid for this type of "freedom"Jun 17 14:33
DaemonFC"We steal your money, decide what to spend it on, make a big government program that doesn't work very's free btw. You're welcome."Jun 17 14:34
DaemonFCMinceR, ^Jun 17 14:34
DaemonFCThen when someone figures out how to turn it into a service that's legal, the courts figure out ways to ignore the law to make it illegal again.Jun 17 14:35
DaemonFCThere was a company that was streaming things they picked up OTA using regular antennas.Jun 17 14:36
techrights-bot/fn#Security and #ProprietarySoftware Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 17 14:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Security and Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 17 14:36
DaemonFCThe FCC regulations have always allowed recording things that come in OTA without encryption.Jun 17 14:36
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DaemonFCThe courts decided that it was piracy because that's what people with money asked them to rule.Jun 17 14:36
immibisDaemonFC: this is innovation. If it makes more money it must be innovative. Capitalism rewards innovation, remember?Jun 17 14:37
immibisthat's what the capitalists keep telling meJun 17 14:38
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activelowironically in east-germany the western TV and radio were "forbidden", yet all east germans could easily receive BBC radio and radio moscow, meanwhile today DAB radio in germany doesn't broadcast BBC or radio moscow anymore, or radio vaticanJun 17 14:38
activelowit is ridiculousJun 17 14:39
DaemonFC<immibis> DaemonFC: this is innovation. If it makes more money it must be innovative. Capitalism rewards innovation, remember?Jun 17 14:42
DaemonFCIt rewards tricky advertisers more than anyone.Jun 17 14:43
DaemonFCI've been contemplating lately how much Americans spend on medicine and how little it actually improves their lives in turn.Jun 17 14:43
DaemonFCOther than perhaps managing some basic health conditions with medicine that has been available for so long it's generic, they don't do much good for the money spent.Jun 17 14:44
DaemonFCNew drug inventions do little or nothing. They cost a lot of money. A third of the FDA science panel resigned over one Alzheimer's drug after the FDA approved it anyway after their science panel voted 10-1 against recommending it. So much for "listen to the science".Jun 17 14:45
DaemonFCWhy would they even have a science panel if they're going to ignore the scientists and do whatever they want anyway? Is it because there's "scientists" who are more willing to compromise their ethics to appoint to the board after they leave?Jun 17 14:46
immibisDaemonFC: the only solution is to reinvent the economy, unfortunatelyJun 17 14:47
immibismoney no longer corresponds to value, and it needs toJun 17 14:48
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activelow*** Curevac germany reports their vaccine's effectiveness is below 47%, insufficient for approval *** -> trust themJun 17 14:52
DaemonFC<immibis> money no longer corresponds to value, and it needs toJun 17 14:55
DaemonFCWe just get punished with inflation.Jun 17 14:55
DaemonFCWith Biden and the Democrats wasting money and causing inflation, our rent is set to go up another $45 a month when we sign our next lease.Jun 17 14:56
DaemonFCThat's on top of gas at a 8 year high and groceries going up at the fastest pace in 20 years.Jun 17 14:56
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DaemonFCBut at least people can feel good knowing that government "workers" get another paid day off because people torched their cities and looted last year over the death of a felon.Jun 17 14:57
immibislol that is not even CLOSE to the root causeJun 17 14:58
immibisalso wtfJun 17 14:58
immibisinflation has been nearly zero for the last 10 years and it's broken the economyJun 17 14:58
techrights-bot/fn#gdbm @ Savannah: Version 1.20 #gnu #freeswJun 17 14:58
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DaemonFCInflation is _not_ a good thing.Jun 17 14:58
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immibisI repeat, inflation has been nearly zero for the last 10 years and it's broken the economyJun 17 14:59
DaemonFCYou can't just dump inflation into an economy where wages aren't rising, the Labor Force Participation is the lowest since Carter was around, and household debt is already at an all time high and not expect a disaster.Jun 17 14:59
techrights-bot/fn2021-6: SUERF Policy Brief "How to issue a privacy-preserving central bank digital currency" published #gnu #taler #freeswJun 17 15:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Coronavirus: Germany′s CureVac vaccine only 47% effective | News | DW | 16.06.2021Jun 17 15:00
DaemonFCWGN managed to report that initial unemployment claims are back up quite a lot this past week.Jun 17 15:00
immibis"you can't just dump liquids into a person whose cells are starving for water, whose blood volume is shrinking, and whose organs are starting to shut down"Jun 17 15:00
DaemonFCThat indicates that despite hiring signs posted everywhere, there's a lot of businesses laying people off, because things have gotten so screwed up that we're dealing with bizarre supply chain issues.Jun 17 15:01
immibisinflation is not quite as urgent as severe dehydration thoughJun 17 15:01
DaemonFCThey've pretty much idled new car production at several factories.Jun 17 15:01
DaemonFCToyota is probably laughing.Jun 17 15:01
techrights-bot/fn#BSDNow 407: The jail Detail #bsd #unixJun 17 15:01
immibisDaemonFC: the fundamental issue is hoarding and accumulation, today's wealth is based on yesterday's wealth rather than yesterday's productivityJun 17 15:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | BSD Now 407: The jail DetailJun 17 15:01
DaemonFCThey stockpiled enough of these chips that everyone else is running out of to keep their factories going for at least a few years.Jun 17 15:01
immibisbecause chip factories are incentivized to maximize profit instead of maximizing the chips they makeJun 17 15:02
immibisproductivity is not rewardedJun 17 15:02
DaemonFCThe Japanese companies seem to like to anticipate that supply chain issues could happen and plan for it to minimize disruption.Jun 17 15:02
immibis"inflation is _not_ a good thing" *proceeds to describe the kind of fucked economy that's resulted from no inflation*Jun 17 15:03
DaemonFCGM doesn't plan for anything. They haven't planned for people wanting better fuel economy even though that's been the march away from their cars and towards the imports since the 1980s.Jun 17 15:03
DaemonFCOf course, when the government has to bail you out and refuses to fire the fuck-ups that have been running the place, you don't have to plan for anything.Jun 17 15:03
techrights-bot/fn"I started at Canonical in September 2020, since then it’s been a steep learning curve (in a good way) – with some exciting projects to get my teeth stuck into." #gnu #linuxJun 17 15:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Design and Web team summary – 4 June 2021 | UbuntuJun 17 15:04
immibisthat is the only part i can kind of agree with, but instead of bailing out the fuck-ups, they should still bail out everyone downstream of the fuck-upsJun 17 15:04
DaemonFCThey rushed in engines with smaller displacement sizes and sort of suped them out to be powerful enough to move the car.Jun 17 15:04
immibismaybe they can buy the companyJun 17 15:04
immibisDaemonFC: you're really triggered about cars, aren't you?Jun 17 15:04
DaemonFCBut this puts all sorts of bizarre stress on all of the wrong parts, which they also cheaped out on.Jun 17 15:04
DaemonFCMoving away from cast iron and steel and aluminum, to aluminum and plastic mostly.Jun 17 15:05
techrights-bot/fnSeems like the wrong way to use #ubuntu , in effect forfeiting #privacy benefits 17 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 5 awesome backup services that support FTP, Rsync and SCP - TechzimJun 17 15:05
DaemonFCOh I absolutely hate these new designs.Jun 17 15:05
DaemonFCThey are not better for the environment over the lifecycle of the vehicle at all.Jun 17 15:05
DaemonFCThey're just less reliable.Jun 17 15:05
DaemonFCEven in 2003, GM cut corners, and I wouldn't have been dealing with any engine trouble to speak of lately on this thing had mom bought a 2002 instead.Jun 17 15:06
immibisidk how you can be so anti-government and pro-corporations and also be pro-environment, you realize corporations do not give a fuck about the environment, right?Jun 17 15:07
techrights-bot/fn#NST 34-12743 #gnu #linux is out. #NetworkSecurityToolkit 17 15:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Network Security Toolkit (NST 34)Jun 17 15:07
DaemonFCAbout 2/3rds of the trouble I've had with this engine and about 80% of the repair cost relating to the engine has been these damned plastic intake manifolds.Jun 17 15:07
DaemonFCGM even managed to burn themselves kind of.Jun 17 15:08
DaemonFCThey went with plastic valve covers too, and then some cars ended up setting themselves on fire because of oil leaks.Jun 17 15:08
DaemonFCThey lost a lot of money in recall repairs and settlements.Jun 17 15:08
techrights-bot/fn#KDE projects that outsource to #Microsoft #proprietarysoftware and help a malicious #monopoly 17 15:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GitHub Notification Actions | [bobulate]Jun 17 15:09
DaemonFCI made sure that I listed myself on the recall settlement. The least they can do is give me $350. I wouldn't have dealt with $700 worth of repairs without all of this plastic shit.Jun 17 15:09
techrights-bot/fn"Time flies and another two weeks of #YaST development have passed. As in the previous report, we have to mention we invested quite some time learning and experimenting with technologies that will shape the role of YaST in particular and Linux installers in general in the future." 17 15:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Digest of YaST Development Sprint 125 | YaSTJun 17 15:09
DaemonFCSo really I'm just getting half my money back over this mess. Plus they had to replace a valve cover and gasket for free on the front of the engine.Jun 17 15:09
DaemonFCI actually don't think that was leaking, but they had to replace it for free so get em.Jun 17 15:10
techrights-bot/fn"Sustainable" is a pretty meaningless #buzzword and no wonder #IBM #Red Hat embraces that for #marketing and #openwashing purposes 17 15:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A more sustainable future should be a more open future | Opensource.comJun 17 15:11
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techrights-bot/fn#AMDGPU For Linux 5.14 To Report Throttler Status, Many Fixes Sent Out - Phoronix ⚓ ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in 17 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMDGPU For Linux 5.14 To Report Throttler Status, Many Fixes Sent Out - PhoronixJun 17 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsJun 17 15:12
activelowi don't understand, if a leading researcher and manufacturer of vaccines arrived at 47% how other newcomers could have achived 70% or 90%Jun 17 15:13
techrights-bot/fnIt's Good But Maybe Bad: #LVFS Skyrockets With More Than 100k Firmware Updates In One Day - Phoronix ⚓ ䷉ #Phoronix #Linux #Redhat #IBMJun 17 15:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It's Good But Maybe Bad: LVFS Skyrockets With More Than 100k Firmware Updates In One Day - PhoronixJun 17 15:14
DaemonFCSustainable is something every company says for things that clearly are not sustainable.Jun 17 15:15
techrights-bot/fn#Picovoice offline Voice AI engine now works on #Arduino 17 15:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Picovoice offline Voice AI engine now works on Arduino - CNX SoftwareJun 17 15:17
techrights-bot/fn#Opensearch and #syslogng #freeswJun 17 15:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Opensearch and syslog-ng - Blog - syslog-ng Community - syslog-ng CommunityJun 17 15:18
techrights-bot/fn7 Best Free and Open Source HTML Editors • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 17 15:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 7 Best Free and Open Source HTML Editors | Tux MachinesJun 17 15:19
techrights-bot/fnRefactor your applications to Kubernetes | ⚓ ䷉ #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM #GNU #LinuxJun 17 15:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Refactor your applications to Kubernetes | Opensource.comJun 17 15:19
techrights-bot/fn"That same year, IBM released an updated version of the PC that sported an amazing technical achievement—color! The new IBM 5153 color display relied on a new #IBM Color Graphics Adapter, or "CGA." And it is because of this original CGA that all DOS text inherited their colors." 17 15:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why FreeDOS has 16 colors | Opensource.comJun 17 15:20
immibisDaemonFC: now you're done ranting about your car, why do you think megacorps are the right solution to unfuck the economy?Jun 17 15:22
techrights-bot/fn"A while ago I promised a couple of people an article about #RakuLang roles. To be frank, it was a long time ago. The plan was to cover a number of other subjects needed to better understand a few concepts behind the role model implementation in Rakudo." 17 15:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A Long Promised Article About Roles - LFlat, The Home of VrurgJun 17 15:22
DaemonFCNothing has done more to prevent competition and protect these megacorporations than the government has done.Jun 17 15:24
DaemonFCBy ignoring its own antitrust laws, pouring endless subsidies into things that should fail, and allowing them to accumulate patents and forever copyrights, it ensures that they pretty much can't lose money.Jun 17 15:25
immibismegacorps are a natural end result of capitalismJun 17 15:25
DaemonFCThat's just not true.Jun 17 15:25
immibisthey are more profitable than small corpsJun 17 15:25
DaemonFCThere's never been a megacorporation that didn't exist without the government propping it up somehow.Jun 17 15:26
immibisreally? bush propped up microsoft?Jun 17 15:26
DaemonFCWithout protection from competition, people will just go elsewhere when the costs are too high and quality takes a dump.Jun 17 15:26
techrights-bot/fnKernel: LWN and Phoronix Article (Without Paywall and New, Respectively) • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 17 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kernel: LWN and Phoronix Article (Without Paywall and New, Respectively) | Tux MachinesJun 17 15:26
techrights-bot/fn#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 17 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 17 15:27
immibisare you opposed to copyright?Jun 17 15:27
DaemonFCIf the government didn't grant Comcast a protected "territory", then I would have a different ISP right now, and at a lower cost too.Jun 17 15:27
immibiswhat happened when you tried starting your own ISP?Jun 17 15:27
DaemonFCI'm lucky I didn't end up in the "territory" of one that says you can bring your own modem but we'll charge you a device rental fee anyway so don't bother.Jun 17 15:27
DaemonFCThe FCC never did anything about that, afaik.Jun 17 15:28
immibiswhat happened when you tried starting your own ISP?Jun 17 15:28
immibisand why are you NOW complaining that the government doesn't impose itself enough on the free market?Jun 17 15:28
DaemonFCComcast has been leaning on people to just give up an dpay $14 a month to rent a cheap piece of shit, because you can't even subscribe to "unlimited data" for yet another fee without their modem.Jun 17 15:28
DaemonFCEven though whose modem you use doesn't prevent them from tracking your data, obviously.Jun 17 15:29
techrights-bot/fn#Fedora contemplates the driverless printing future #ibm #redhat #gnu #linuxJun 17 15:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fedora contemplates the driverless printing future []Jun 17 15:29
DaemonFC<techrights-bot/fn> #Fedora contemplates the driverless printing future #ibm #redhat #gnu #linuxJun 17 15:29
immibisyour views are not consistentJun 17 15:29
DaemonFCI've had pretty much every printing problem on every OS there is.Jun 17 15:30
techrights-bot/fn#GNU Projects: Coreutils, Taler, and gdbm • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 17 15:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GNU Projects: Coreutils, Taler, and gdbm | Tux MachinesJun 17 15:30
DaemonFCI even tolerated an HP printer that I had to feed one sheet at a time at one point because at least I knew it had a driver.Jun 17 15:30
techrights-bot/fnNew: "Gemini appeals to me as someone who likes plain text and keeping things simple. It also evokes a huge nostalgia for the days of gopher, bbs and slow packet radio links." 17 15:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | a space case for transparent gemtext compressionJun 17 15:33
immibiswhat happened when you tried to make an open hardware printer?Jun 17 15:33
activelowthe old epson style matrix-plotters are best supported, echo "hello world" >/dev/lp0, and ancient Unix print spooling is supported with lprng with some minimal config tweakJun 17 15:35
techrights-bot/fn#Ubuntu Podcast from the #UK LoCo: S14E15 – Tanks Crash Clash #gnu #linuxJun 17 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | S14E15 – Tanks Crash Clash | Ubuntu PodcastJun 17 15:35
activelowdidn't test bitmap plotting yet (which requires a special epson bitmap format), but it is possible too and documented, to plot some diagrams and such for scientific work etc.Jun 17 15:37
techrights-bot/fn#Microsoft loves Linux so much that has fallen and can’t get up • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 17 15:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft loves Linux so much that has fallen and can't get up | Tux MachinesJun 17 15:40
trttl/fnsorry to interrupt.. what is the port for 17 15:42
techrights-bot/fn"I recently discovered the command line utility croc, which the author claims is a way to ‘easily and securely transfer stuff from one computer to another.’" 17 15:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | croc – another file transfer method | Fitzcarraldo's BlogJun 17 15:43
hawthorntrttl/fn: i'm connecting to via 6667Jun 17 15:47
techrights-bot/fn#KDEneon 20210617 #kde #gnu #linuxJun 17 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | KDE neonJun 17 15:47
trttl/fnthanks hawthorn. no ssl available?Jun 17 15:48
DaemonFCIs there an actual reason to install Microsoft OpenJDK when your distribution has one as well?Jun 17 15:50
techrights-bot/fn"Remember when people used cloud computing because it was cheaper?" It was not cheaper, it was a media lie and propaganda under the #clownComputing banner to get people entrapped by #surveillance giants that oppress people, businesses, governments 17 15:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A primer on containers – IncrementJun 17 15:52
techrights-bot/fnToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 17 15:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 17 15:53
hawthorntrttl/fn: i'm not sure if ssl is available or notJun 17 15:56
techrights-bot/fnThe #www has becoming more of a joke than it already is. What next will be lumped into it? #monopolies turned it into their #proprietarySoftware and #drm API 17 15:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-W3C Promotes Web Audio API To Official Standard - PhoronixJun 17 15:56
hawthornyou'd have to ask schestowitz Jun 17 15:56
techrights-bot/fn#google funded #rustlang through #mozilla and now it wants to insert this #microsoft -connected mess into #linux #kernel 17 15:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Wants To See Rust Code In The Linux Kernel, Contracts The Main Developer - PhoronixJun 17 15:57
gustafI'm connected via ssl... 6697Jun 17 15:57
hawthorncoolJun 17 15:57
trttl/fnthank you that's good news. going to switch over in a minuteJun 17 15:58
techrights-bot/fnThis is, IMHO, a misleading headline. It mischaracterises what's happening using promotional language. see 17 15:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google-backed Linux project could make Android, Chrome OS harder to hack - CNETJun 17 15:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | TechrightsJun 17 15:59
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techrights-bot/fn#LibreOffice Annual Report 2020: Website, blogs and #socialcontrolmedia 17 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Annual Report 2020: Website, blogs and social media - The Document Foundation BlogJun 17 16:00
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hawthornhmm i just tried and couldn't get it working, although i'm still trying to teach myself irssiJun 17 16:01
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gustafI've been a long time irssi user but frankly adding new networks/servers sucks assJun 17 16:02
gustafI'm slowly moving towards weechat Jun 17 16:02
techrights-bot/fnSubmit your ideas for #Debian and +1 those that you find important ⚓ ䷉ #raphaelhertzog #gnu #linux | more in 17 16:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Submit your ideas for Debian and +1 those that you find importantJun 17 16:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsJun 17 16:02
gustafbut so far irssi is good for 80x24 screen setupsJun 17 16:02
activelowgustaf: didn't have any problem with adding servers, simply write the desired config into .irssi/config and then /reloadJun 17 16:03
activelowonly make sure to /save /layout save and such before editing the config to /reloadJun 17 16:04
activelowand /rmrecons may be required if a faulty server config remained somewhere trying to connectJun 17 16:05
techrights-bot/fn"The tool works with all modern Linux distributions under the GNU General Public License and can be downloaded here." They need to #deletegithub which is #microsoft #proprietarySoftware ATTACK on #freesw 17 16:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Open source UChecker tool detects vulnerable libraries on Linux servers - Help Net SecurityJun 17 16:07
gustafmy .config is a flaming garbage pile Jun 17 16:07
gustafI really should just start over from scratchJun 17 16:07
techrights-bot/fnGood to see them saying "GNU/Linux"... several times in fact 17 16:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How To Protect Your Computer From Viruses, Hackers, And SurveillanceJun 17 16:08
techrights-bot/fnStop giving data to companies that don't need that data. 17 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Papa don't breach: UK data watchdog fines that other pizza place £10,000 over unsolicited marketing blitz • The RegisterJun 17 16:11
techrights-bot/fn#FTC approves $61.7m settlement with #Amazon for pocketing driver tips • The Register ⚓ ䷉ #theregister | more in 17 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FTC approves $61.7m settlement with Amazon for pocketing driver tips • The RegisterJun 17 16:13
techrights-bot/fn#BT sues supplier for £72m over exchange gear that allegedly caused wave of #ADSL outages • The Register ⚓ ䷉ #theregister | more in 17 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | BT sues supplier for £72m over exchange gear that allegedly caused wave of ADSL outages • The RegisterJun 17 16:13
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techrights-bot/fnSome people think IRC is a brand and #freenode as a brand is all one needs. Even if it's actually a community... 17 16:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Open source is a community, not a brand - SD TimesJun 17 16:15
schestowitzshallow BS: 17 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to Unzip ZIP Files on Any DeviceJun 17 16:18
schestowitztrttl: did you manage to get across?Jun 17 16:19
schestowitz 17 16:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to Zip and Unzip or Extract TAR and TAR.GZ FilesJun 17 16:20
schestowitz'news'Jun 17 16:20
schestowitzassembling together howtos from elsewhere...Jun 17 16:21
techrights-bot/fn#ElSalvador seeing influx of Bitcoiners and Bitcoins, but some predict disaster - Stockhead ⚓ ䷉ #stockheadJun 17 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | El Salvador seeing influx of Bitcoiners and Bitcoins, but some predict disaster - StockheadJun 17 16:22
techrights-bot/fnThis would not be a problem if those devices weren't insistent on being Internet-connected with loads of open ports and sometimes uniform passwords, too 17 16:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IoT Supply Chain Bug Hits Millions of Cameras - Infosecurity MagazineJun 17 16:26
techrights-bot/fn" #OpenZFS founding developer Matthew Ahrens opened a PR for one of the most sought-after features in #ZFS history—RAIDz expansion—last week." 17 16:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ZFS fans, rejoice—RAIDz expansion will be a thing very soon | Ars TechnicaJun 17 16:27
DaemonFCEl Salvador is governed by some particularly dumb people.Jun 17 16:27
DaemonFCWho standardizes on currency it can't control?Jun 17 16:27
DaemonFCIt's fine to peg something to the dollar or to the Euro. You still control the peg.Jun 17 16:28
techrights-bot/fn#IBM is laying off tons of people while paying for press releases that somehow portray it as a charity looking to get people employer 17 16:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM Collaborates with 30 Organizations to Re-Skill & Connect the Workforce with Real Career OpportunitiesJun 17 16:28
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trttl/fnschestowitz yeah i'm there. surprised that i don't have to mess with server fingerprintsJun 17 16:32
DaemonFCWhat a country, what a world.Jun 17 16:36
DaemonFCThat lady who superglued her hair and ended up in the ER now has a line of hair care products.Jun 17 16:36
DaemonFCPut this in your hair. I'm an expert!Jun 17 16:36
DaemonFCMom told me to stop giving myself a buzz cut because it "makes you look like a prisoner".Jun 17 16:37
DaemonFCI said, "No, it makes me look like a guy with a buzz cut.".Jun 17 16:37
immibisDaemonFC: didn't you just tell us how stupid it was that the government controlled the currency??Jun 17 16:37
DaemonFCI feel pretty ripped off when I have to pay $20-25 for a hair cut, so I just kept doing my own even after the COVID lockdowns went away.Jun 17 16:37
DaemonFCWith the cost of labor continuing to rise, it's only a matter of time before a basic men's hair cut is $30.Jun 17 16:38
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DaemonFC<immibis> DaemonFC: didn't you just tell us how stupid it was that the government controlled the currency??Jun 17 16:38
DaemonFCIt's dumb to let a hostile foreign government that has backed political assasinations in your country manage your currency.Jun 17 16:39
immibisDaemonFC: and in the face of inflation, why are you complaining about relative prices measured in fiat currency? If there's inflation, that means that's a bad way to measure pricesJun 17 16:39
immibisit means costs aren't going up, exchange rates of stuff to money are going upJun 17 16:39
immibisbut actual real costs might be the sameJun 17 16:39
DaemonFCI wonder how our landlord is raising prices while the trend in the area seems to be going down.Jun 17 16:40
DaemonFCFolks are bailing on Waukegan quickly, and you'd think the need for housing would decline and then the demand pull inflation would stop. I suppose we're dealing with cost push inflation that's overtaking lack of demand.Jun 17 16:41
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DaemonFCIn other words, the market's gone crazy deciding whether to try to push along higher taxes and utility costs or lower the rent to keep units occupied.Jun 17 16:42
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immibisDaemonFC: well are you paying the increased prices?Jun 17 16:42
DaemonFCI probably will. I don't like moving and the more desirable apartments have actually seen at least as high of an increase, percentage-wise.Jun 17 16:43
immibisthen you know howJun 17 16:43
DaemonFCIt's the total dumps that seem to be going down.Jun 17 16:43
DaemonFCYeah, he's going along with the "I only have to beat these other guys by this percentage of what they charge.".Jun 17 16:44
immibisthey can increase prices because people like you are apatheticJun 17 16:44
DaemonFCSo the new price is a factor of what they charge.Jun 17 16:44
immibisjust like megacorpsJun 17 16:44
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techrights-bot/fn#Disinformation and #Misinformation is #socialcontrolmedia hotbed 17 16:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Amazon Blames Social Media for Spreading Fake Reviews - Make Tech EasierJun 17 16:45
immibiscapitalists take advantage of people's irrationalityJun 17 16:45
techrights-bot/fnPlanet #gnome overrun by #microsoft #proprietarySoftware spam these days. Not interested, sorry.Jun 17 16:46
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techrights-bot/fnTech #outsourcing sucks. And it can be VERY expenseive. Your hardware and software are fine. Someone else's isn't. So you're f-ed. 17 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | You had one job: Akamai's Prolexic Denial-of-Service protection system fingered after users in Australia denied, er, services • The RegisterJun 17 16:51
techrights-bot/fn#Security Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 17 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 17 16:51
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techrights-bot/fn"Tomorrow will be the release of Pepper&Carrot episode 35! 🥳 I’m currently working on the final details of this big episode. Here is a sneak peek into page 1." 17 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Episode 35, screenshot before release - David RevoyJun 17 16:54
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techrights-bot/fn"The #RasPad 3 is a neat project that enables you to turn your Raspberry Pi 4 into a full tablet! In this video, I'll unbox the RasPad 3 and I'll also show you the entire assembly process. Be sure to check out my full review as well." 17 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The RasPad 3 - Unboxing and Assembly (Full review tomorrow!!!) - YouTubeJun 17 16:54
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schestowitzspazz: is that you?Jun 17 16:57
techrights-bot/fnAudiocasts/Show: RasPad, Ubuntu Podcast, BSDNow • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 17 16:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Audiocasts/Show: RasPad, Ubuntu Podcast, BSDNow | Tux MachinesJun 17 16:57
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techrights-bot/fnEuropean Commission cheated Unitary Patent’s Impact Assessment to hide its high costs for SMEs #upc #unitarypatent #epo #eu #corruptionJun 17 17:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | European Commission cheated Unitary Patent’s Impact Assessment to hide its high costs for SMEs | FFIIJun 17 17:01
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techrights-bot/fn#IBM / #RedHat / #Fedora Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #LinuxJun 17 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 17 17:03
DaemonFC 17 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Editorial: Rent control won't fix gentrification problem - Chicago TribuneJun 17 17:05
techrights-bot/fn"An open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation" now signed by 6,754 people. #gnu #rms #fsf #freesw #softwarefreedomJun 17 17:05
DaemonFCThe mayor who can't figure out Microsoft Word is going to figure out how to make your rent "affordable".Jun 17 17:06
MinceR17 144756 < immibis> wasn't it under total control of the soviet regime, and corrupt?Jun 17 17:07
MinceRduhJun 17 17:07
MinceRwhat wasn't, in the eastern bloc?Jun 17 17:07
immibisMinceR: he was complaining about it now being under total control of the USA and corruptJun 17 17:07
schestowitzit was so good people had to be walled INJun 17 17:08
immibisimagine a world where politics was a different skillset from computer usageJun 17 17:08
schestowitzahJun 17 17:08
schestowitzimagine a world where you can do politics WITHOUT techJun 17 17:08
schestowitza lot of things now require "mobile" and "email"Jun 17 17:09
schestowitzand "web site"Jun 17 17:09
schestowitzmany people need to ask their kids or neighbours for helpJun 17 17:09
activelowi didn't at all defend anything related to sovietsJun 17 17:09
schestowitza lot of people's "Email" is something GAFAMJun 17 17:09
schestowitzand their "phones" are also "GAFAM"Jun 17 17:09
schestowitzso they in effect outsource governance of nations to private for-profit companies from another country where the military subsidises thwemJun 17 17:10
immibisusing word is related to politics in the same way as cooking a nice dinner is related to politicsJun 17 17:10
schestowitz 17 17:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | USPTO Promotes Microsoft Monopoly and Proprietary Software (Updatedx2) | TechrightsJun 17 17:10
techrights-bot/fntoday’s howos • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 17 17:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howos | Tux MachinesJun 17 17:10
DaemonFCMandy's boss wasn't happy yesterday. A bunch of his coworkers put the wrong orders in people's cars, and then the boss had to go to people's homes taking them the right orders.Jun 17 17:11
DaemonFCCost the company money because you can't take the items back and sell them again. (Groceries)Jun 17 17:11
techrights-bot/fn#patents that literally kill people: How #Patent Extensions Keep Some Drug Costs High #monopolies #greedJun 17 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How Patent Extensions Keep Some Drug Costs HighJun 17 17:12
immibisDaemonFC: do you support or oppose intellectual property?Jun 17 17:12
DaemonFCSince there's no legal definition of intellectual property, I can't really respond to that.Jun 17 17:13
immibis??? how is there not a legal definition of intellectual property?Jun 17 17:13
DaemonFCIt's a term that was cooked up to make several unrelated concepts in the law appear interconnected.Jun 17 17:13
techrights-bot/fnapproachJun 17 17:14
techrights-bot/fnHeli Pihlajamaa (known inside #epo as "Ms Pyjamas") is promoting illegal #swpats for the corrupt EPO see 17 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO approach to examining computer implemented inventionsJun 17 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Virtual Injustice — Part 9: Heli, the EPO’s Nordic Ice-Queen | TechrightsJun 17 17:14
MinceR> you realize corporations do not give a fuck about the environment, right?Jun 17 17:14
MinceRpretty much nobody doesJun 17 17:14
immibisso if you want to save it you should put the people in charge who doJun 17 17:14
techrights-bot/fn#marketing spam disguised as news. One person joining a firm is news? #juve became a joke! 17 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Patent attorney firm HGF opens first office in France - JUVE PatentJun 17 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Juve - TechrightsJun 17 17:15
immibisDaemonFC: they aren't really unrelated, they all cover the same idea, which is that you can own informationJun 17 17:15
immibisthat is why they are grouped together under the labelJun 17 17:15
activelow"intellectual property" from germany was "transferred" twice: after 1945 when tons of documents were shipped around the globe, and again after 1990 when university publishers where sold after western bureaucrats were installed thereJun 17 17:18
MinceRthose people won't remain there for long when the majority doesn't want to save humanity and have a say in who's in chargeJun 17 17:18
MinceRalso, when the most powerful people don't want to save humanity and have a say in who's in chargeJun 17 17:18
techrights-bot/fnIt's a #trademark office, not "Intellectual Property Office", and it is profoundly corrupt see #EUIPOJun 17 17:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | European Intellectual Property Office Announces That Its Official ERegister Is Now Live - Intellectual Property - European UnionJun 17 17:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EUIPO - TechrightsJun 17 17:19
immibisMinceR: there's a difference between the majority not wanting humanity to be the saved, and the majority wanting humanity to be saved but being too lazy to do itJun 17 17:21
schestowitzimmibis: you cannot talk about those things collectivelyJun 17 17:21
schestowitzand even then, you are not pro or conJun 17 17:22
schestowitzit depends on breadth and scopeJun 17 17:22
immibisi've met many people who are against all intellectual property on principle because it is government interference in the marketJun 17 17:22
immibisand many people who are in favour of the current system because it is government protecting the marketJun 17 17:22
schestowitzit's not a propertyJun 17 17:22
schestowitzfor startersJun 17 17:22
schestowitznot legallyJun 17 17:22
schestowitzand not technicallyJun 17 17:22
schestowitzyour thoughts are not a propertyJun 17 17:22
schestowitzit's the wrong termJun 17 17:22
immibiswell that's a bit reason people oppose the concept. Because IP *is* legally propertyJun 17 17:23
schestowitzit's notJun 17 17:23
immibisand people say: how can you steal thoughts or information? that makes no senseJun 17 17:23
schestowitzthe US courts said it's notJun 17 17:23
MinceRimmibis: there's no difference in the outcomeJun 17 17:23
schestowitzit'sa  franchiseJun 17 17:23
schestowitzpatents areJun 17 17:23
schestowitzsometimes they are not intellectual either, definitely not rightsJun 17 17:23
immibispatents are property, copyright is property, trademarks are propertyJun 17 17:23
MinceRscientists determine goals we must meet to reduce the damage, then we collectively just watch the deadlines pass and do nothingJun 17 17:24
immibisMinceR: we didn't put people who cared in chargeJun 17 17:24
schestowitzimmibis: noJun 17 17:24
MinceRthe majority doesn't want people who care in chargeJun 17 17:24
activelowwhatever term applied, authors have rights even without patents involvedJun 17 17:24
schestowitzbbiabJun 17 17:24
schestowitzcopyright-related restrictionsJun 17 17:24
MinceRthe last time we had a free election in hungary (2010) the majority wanted nazis who didn't care about our long term survival in chargeJun 17 17:24
schestowitzdepending on the licence and enforcementJun 17 17:24
MinceRgermans have wanted christian fundamentalist nazis in charge for decadesJun 17 17:25
MinceRthey don't care eitherJun 17 17:25
techrights-bot/fn"Free Software and Open Science" marks the XVI International Congress of Scientific Research ⚓ ䷉ #theclevelandamerican | more in 17 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | "Free Software and Open Science" marks the XVI International Congress of Scientific ResearchJun 17 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsJun 17 17:26
immibisMinceR: then maybe let the germans kill themselves and then there will be less climate changeJun 17 17:26
techrights-bot/fn#nytimes should just call it mass #surveillance it usually has little to do with #covid19 except the excuse they introduce for it: 17 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | What Are The Roadblocks to a Covid Vaccine Passport? - The New York TimesJun 17 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation is a Foundation of Mass Surveillance | TechrightsJun 17 17:26
techrights-bot/fnSo-called 'development' and 'advancement': drop dead, deaf people. "E3 failed its deaf and hard-of-hearing viewers today" (Engadget). Blind people are treated even worse, so we donate to them every month. Society quit caring about anything but "money" (man-made concept) and tech nihilism.Jun 17 17:28
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techrights-bot/fnIf you care about #security maybe you should go back to basics and remove unnecessary complexity like #kubernetes ... 17 17:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Concerned about Kubernetes security? Check out these free toolsJun 17 17:29
techrights-bot/fnSTOP CALLING IT LEAK. It's a #marketing ploy. #microsoft spam interjected even into so-called "Ubuntu" sites now... 17 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-TPM 2.0 Windows 11 Error Fixed | Itsubuntu.comJun 17 17:31
techrights-bot/fnGodot Engine - Tiles editor progress report #4 ⚓ ䷉ #godotengine #deletegithubJun 17 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Godot Engine - Tiles editor progress report #4Jun 17 17:32
MinceRimmibis: this is not limited to hungarians or germansJun 17 17:36
immibisi say take all the rightists from Europe and move them to the USA and take all the leftists from the USA and move them to EuropeJun 17 17:37
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techrights-bot/fn#Games : Loop Hero, Absolute Drift, and Godot Engine • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 17 17:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Games: Loop Hero, Absolute Drift, and Godot Engine | Tux MachinesJun 17 17:38
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spazzschestowitz yes. hiJun 17 17:48
MinceRi say take all the authoritarians and move them to north koreaJun 17 18:16
activelowauthority based on competence isn't a hierarchy of oppressionJun 17 18:19
activelowsince it was asked, yes I still consider some of my former professers from former soviet region authoritiesJun 17 18:22
activelowthe same doesn't hold true for Telecom business management elsewhere which closed the universityJun 17 18:22
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activelowsome of them were involved with mjpeg design and implementation and articulated their concerns about patents and ownership of intellectual propertyJun 17 18:26
activelowand expressed concerns for example about MP3 which was invented at Fraunhofer Institute Germany, which German industry didn't manage to capitalize uponJun 17 18:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Remember snow days? Today’s kids get heat days | Salon.comJun 17 18:28
activelowMerkel who studied in Leipzig too is known for her support in favor of patents and protection of intellectual property:Jun 17 18:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?Jun 17 18:31
immibisactivelow: our current hierarchy is not based on competence, it's based on things like hereditary wealthJun 17 18:32
immibis... imagine being "concerned" that your university didn't "capitalize on" such an important thing as MP3. It should be open.Jun 17 18:33
activelowimmibis: ~95% of capital (the final numbers are not settled yet) is inherited among generations in germany is WEST germanJun 17 18:33
immibisactivelow: and?Jun 17 18:34
immibisinherited capital at all is a problemJun 17 18:34
immibisare you trying to say west germany is worse than east germany?Jun 17 18:34
MinceRactivelow: we weren't talking about authority based on competence, we were talking about nazis and the like :>Jun 17 18:35
activelowoften east-germans are defamed as "Nazis", add this to the mix of things if you so desireJun 17 18:35
immibisliterally nobody defames east germans as nazis lmaoJun 17 18:36
immibisI hope that is a simple mistake and not the result of brainwashingJun 17 18:37
activelowquestion: do you remember who first designed and implemented floating point matrix calculus with a computer?Jun 17 18:38
activelowthe engineer's name is Kutschbach who worked at University Dresden for Robotron, regardless of who would claim a patent nowadays for itJun 17 18:46
activelowthe machine was a Robotron 300, an IBM 1401 clone according to wikipediaJun 17 18:47
schestowitz[18:27] <activelow> and expressed concerns for example about MP3 which was invented at Fraunhofer Institute Germany, which German industry didn't manage to capitalize uponJun 17 18:49
schestowitzwrong. Jun 17 18:49
schestowitzthey contributes some patentsJun 17 18:49
schestowitzby intentionally making mp3 worseJun 17 18:49
schestowitzso they can get more patentsJun 17 18:50
schestowitznot the same as 'inventing' itJun 17 18:50
schestowitzthere were already other codecsJun 17 18:50
schestowitz[18:31] <activelow> Merkel who studied in Leipzig too is known for her support in favor of patents and protection of intellectual property:Jun 17 18:50
schestowitzMerkel is an idiot about patents and moreover she supports sheer corruption by patent offices: 17 18:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPOLeaks on Misleading the Bundestag — Part 20: Taking Stock | TechrightsJun 17 18:51
schestowitz 17 18:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPOLeaks on Misleading the Bundestag — Part 19: The Deafening Silence of the Media | TechrightsJun 17 18:51
schestowitzit's quite a scandal how the German government has handles EPO crimesJun 17 18:51
activelowschestowitz: i didn't vote for Merkel or any party supporting the current EU agendaJun 17 18:52
activelowanyway, the Robotron 300 is remarkble piece of history, since east germans were skilled with reverse engineering of western chips to copy those, and in parallel too invented their own extensionsJun 17 18:53
activelowjust in case anyone would claim a patent it is good to know where specific designs originatedJun 17 18:58
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activelowin Leipzig the National Library keeps record of all German language publications and when these appeared, and who the inventor wasJun 17 18:59
activelowconcerning MP3 it isn't the compression itself which is impressive, it is the mathematics and engineering involved with signal processing and sampling (A-D conversion, analog circuitry, filter designs)Jun 17 19:04
activelowa designer involved with mjpeg had given a lecture once too and seemed somewhat annoyed, although i cannot remember what it was exactlyJun 17 19:06
activelowalong the timeline of "privatization" of German Telecom, "re-unification" in parallel to some university publishers soldJun 17 19:07
activelownow ITU-T in the hands of Korean Telecom Mr. Lee, which i am not sure yet what to think of thisJun 17 19:08
activelowthe best joke will probably be the prise of what was sold, be it German Telecom or FreenodeJun 17 19:09
activelowanother reason not to vote for Merkel and her affiliatesJun 17 19:09
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activelowRobotron Dresden too manufactured calculators for which schematics existed, yet we were equipped with Texas Instruments after 1990 with schematics and software remaining closed (some offshore island in the carribean last time i tried to track that)Jun 17 19:19
activelowironay again, 30 years later Bosch company now desparately had to invest in Dresden to manufacture microchips due to the supply shortage in German AutomotiveJun 17 19:22
activelow*ironyJun 17 19:22
activelowit is their biggest investment ever made in German history they said, although i doubt money can compensate for the decades lost, since when "uncompetitive" Robotron was dismantled and publishers soldJun 17 19:23
activelowin recent years German industry boasted with pride they attached tablets to German machinery and manufacturing everywhere, "industry 4.0", lmfaoJun 17 19:24
immibismany would say the mere existence of a patent office is sheer corruptionJun 17 19:26
schestowitzI just did two videos about EPOJun 17 19:26
schestowitzand UPCJun 17 19:26
schestowitzit is a lot of corruption in both Jun 17 19:27
schestowitzvendor captureJun 17 19:27
schestowitznot even by European companiesJun 17 19:27
schestowitzthankfully more people not understand thatJun 17 19:27
schestowitz*nowJun 17 19:27
psydroidtablets to control mission-critical industrial equipment?Jun 17 19:27
activelowit is called "panel" in the industryJun 17 19:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Recover Lost Space on a USB Flash Drive | Pen Drive LinuxJun 17 19:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Amy Coney Barrett, Trump's controversial final Supreme Court pick, votes to uphold Obamacare | Salon.comJun 17 19:28
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activelowpsydroid: to my knowlege they too chose TCP/IP over X.25 which was common in german railway, yet remember i quit 2005 and am not involved anymoreJun 17 19:29
activelowsince because "uncompetitive", "unproductive", "costs" and such, "privatization" of German TelecomJun 17 19:30
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schestowitzDT?Jun 17 19:32
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activelowDeutsche TelekomJun 17 19:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Recent Antitrust Push Is Weirdly Narrow, Pretends Telecom And Banking Don't Exist | TechdirtJun 17 19:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | You had one job: Akamai's Prolexic Denial-of-Service protection system fingered after users in Australia denied, er, services • The RegisterJun 17 19:35
MinceRi wasn't talking about east germans as nazisJun 17 19:37
MinceRbut AfD enjoys a lot of support thereJun 17 19:37
activelowMinceR: AfD is misrepresented almost always, i kept record of some details concerning thisJun 17 19:38
MinceRAfD to CDU/CSU is pretty much what ECR/ID is to EPPJun 17 19:39
MinceRthey're all cancerJun 17 19:39
MinceRsome of them are more vocal about being nazis than othersJun 17 19:39
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activelowlast time they were accused of being "Nazi" was when they proposed family support for families with one partner being german and the other partner being a foreignerJun 17 19:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Space Force turtle expert uncovers $1.2m Cape Canaveral cocaine haul • The RegisterJun 17 19:39
activelowMinceR: in public then it was argued AfD intended to exclude immigrants from family benefitsJun 17 19:39
activelowwhich is the complete opposite of what they are planningJun 17 19:40
AdmFubar 17 19:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Google Backs Linux Project To Make Android, Chrome OS Harder To Hack - SlashdotJun 17 19:42
schestowitzBS headlineJun 17 19:43
schestowitzI saw thatJun 17 19:43
schestowitzthey promote rustJun 17 19:43
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schestowitzas if it's a "security" thingJun 17 19:43
schestowitzrather, it makes the kernel fragmented in the P/L senseJun 17 19:43
schestowitzand can be harder to maintainJun 17 19:43
activelowMinceR: often it is a problem that EU citizens work in germany or for german companies as "freelancers" and do NOT pay for social securityJun 17 19:43
MinceRwouldn't be so much of a problem if we had no statesJun 17 19:43
activelowMinceR: and then intend to benefit from german social securityJun 17 19:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Wants To See Rust Code In The Linux Kernel, Contracts The Main Developer - PhoronixJun 17 19:44
MinceRactivelow: therefore foreigners are bad?Jun 17 19:44
schestowitz 17 19:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | TechrightsJun 17 19:44
immibispsydroid: what would you use, special ruggedized PCs?Jun 17 19:45
schestowitzthey mean foreigners in the racial senseJun 17 19:45
schestowitznot national senseJun 17 19:45
schestowitzso even naturalised germans can be 'foreign'Jun 17 19:45
immibiswriting kernel code in something with provable security seems sensible but only if people can actually do itJun 17 19:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Antibody drug cuts deaths for some severe COVID patients: study - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent JournalismJun 17 19:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gov. Greg Abbott says power grid better than ever as Texans asked to cut back electricity use - Alternet.orgJun 17 19:50
activelowMinceR: i will vote for any party which supports and executes action to quit the current EU agenda.Jun 17 19:50
activelowreminder German High court ruled recently that EU itself violated EU contractsJun 17 19:51
MinceRactivelow: and then what?Jun 17 19:51
activelowMinceR: EU promised Germany would have a stable currency, EU promised Germany would have peace. Simple answer we had that BEFORE EU regime was in charge.Jun 17 19:52
activelowand political terrorism is on the rise AFTER EU REGIME was installedJun 17 19:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Racketeering, bribery and money laundering': Ohio House votes to expel Republican ex-speaker facing federal charges - Alternet.orgJun 17 19:53
MinceRactivelow: sounds a lot like brexitJun 17 19:57
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MinceR1. leave EU   2. ???   3. all our problems solved!Jun 17 19:59
activelowyes MinceR, although it wasn't AfD political party which ruled EU violated contracts, it was German High Court recentlyJun 17 19:59
activelowand quitting with this will solve alot of problemsJun 17 19:59
MinceRon its own it's unlikely toJun 17 20:00
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activelowreestablish some national authority to enforce social security legislation, one exampleJun 17 20:00
MinceRand it's going to cause a lot of problems, which you'll need to know how to deal withJun 17 20:00
schestowitzjust fixed a big in techrights-ipfs-botJun 17 20:00
schestowitz*bugJun 17 20:00
schestowitzactivelow: EU benefits GermanyJun 17 20:01
MinceRyour businesses would be forced to pay a lot extra in dutiesJun 17 20:01
activelowschestowitz: propaganda lieJun 17 20:01
schestowitzit always amuses me when Germans moean about EUJun 17 20:01
schestowitz*moanJun 17 20:01
MinceRand of course a lot of laws that originate in the EU will still be on the booksJun 17 20:01
schestowitzwith UK out Germany and France have even more controlJun 17 20:01
MinceRapparently the Tory idea was "leave the EU so we can screw our citizens better"Jun 17 20:02
MinceRwhich is obviously not the only wayJun 17 20:02
schestowitzEPO undoubtedly helps Germany the most, NL secondJun 17 20:02
MinceRbut if you have no plan, you're going to behave like a headless chicken while businesses bleed money to the EUJun 17 20:02
activelowthe frontlines in EU are complicated, including concerns of who is acting as foreign agent of US politics for exampleJun 17 20:02
activelowsadly this won't change anywayJun 17 20:02
schestowitzgiant netsplit just not in freenodeJun 17 20:03
schestowitzthey're not that much more stable after changing their IRCD and starting from scratch, AriadneJun 17 20:03
schestowitz*just nowJun 17 20:03
MinceRlike many other things, they did that stupidlyJun 17 20:04
MinceRthey could have transitioned smoothly, but noJun 17 20:04
XRevan86Do I need to restart the bridge?Jun 17 20:04
schestowitzthey could have migrated the DB overJun 17 20:04
schestowitzXRevan86: noJun 17 20:04
MinceRindeedJun 17 20:04
schestowitzthe bridge seems to work OKJun 17 20:04
MinceRthey could have warned users in advanceJun 17 20:04
schestowitzbut about 20 users were split outJun 17 20:04
MinceRthey could have taken servers they wanted to repurpose out of DNS and wait for the change to propagate before taking them downJun 17 20:04
MinceRalso, apparently inspircd keeps telling my client about users quitting that we didn't even share a channel withJun 17 20:05
schestowitzwith far fewer channels and users they could split in half, new and oldJun 17 20:05
schestowitzthen build the new envJun 17 20:05
schestowitzreduce ttlJun 17 20:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Where Are All The Cheap X86 Single Board PCs? | HackadayJun 17 20:05
schestowitzswitch over to new one seamlesslyJun 17 20:06
schestowitzAdmFubar: where are all the "cheap" gold ringsJun 17 20:06
MinceRlolJun 17 20:06
schestowitzx86 is expensive crapJun 17 20:06
schestowitzand needs big batteries of PSUJun 17 20:06
schestowitz*orJun 17 20:06
schestowitzbut Atom failedJun 17 20:06
schestowitzand they have no backup planJun 17 20:06
AdmFubarhe's talking retro... like 386 daysJun 17 20:07
schestowitzIntel wants to swallow RISC-V nowJun 17 20:07
MinceRhow did atom fail? afaik netbooks were a huge success back in the dayJun 17 20:07
MinceRi guess the redmond mafia didn't like them thoughJun 17 20:07
schestowitzatom was buriedJun 17 20:07
schestowitzVista111Edition(TM) WillFixEverything(R)Jun 17 20:07
MinceRthen intel replaced the working atoms with these tablet-oriented pieces of shit with 32bit UEFI designed specifically for vendor lock-inJun 17 20:07
schestowitzIntel is mostly left out of that marketJun 17 20:08
schestowitzthe tablets are things like qualcommJun 17 20:08
MinceRthey could have been XScale, but intel sold that tooJun 17 20:08
schestowitzbut the Windows 'tablets' (bricks) cost too much and don't last long before chargesJun 17 20:08
schestowitzit's fun to watch..Jun 17 20:08
activelowEU ruling anti-trust against Microsoft was a scam anywayJun 17 20:09
schestowitz[20:09] [Error] Connection to server (port 6697) lost: The remote host closed the connection.Jun 17 20:09
schestowitz[20:09] [Info] Trying to reconnect to (port 6697) in 10 seconds.Jun 17 20:09
MinceRusian rulings against microsoft were scams tooJun 17 20:09
schestowitzlovely jubblyJun 17 20:09
activelowEUPL (european public license) is a joke too, when it explicitely states an author publishing under this license did so "royalty free"Jun 17 20:13
activelowa license with zero income policy, wonder who lobbied for thisJun 17 20:13
psydroidIntel is a one-trick pony with x86, just like Microsoft with Windows and apparently IBM with its mainframesJun 17 20:14
MinceRand intel and ibm are so by choiceJun 17 20:15
MinceRmicrosoft is because they couldn't set up their racket in other marketsJun 17 20:15
psydroid> how did atom fail? afaik netbooks were a huge success back in the dayJun 17 20:15
psydroid> i guess the redmond mafia didn't like them thoughJun 17 20:15
psydroidARM tablets and phones made them redundant, netbooks with GNU/Linux were niceJun 17 20:15
MinceRi wish they didJun 17 20:16
MinceRbut most ARM SoCs don't have a way to safely change OS and don't support OS developersJun 17 20:16
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psydroidsomething like Honeycomb at a lower pricepoint is what would be nice to have as an OS developerJun 17 20:18
activelowwake me up when Texas Instruments publishes schematics, documents and source code for their TI89Jun 17 20:19
MinceR:>Jun 17 20:19
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activelowMotorola: defunct 2011, seems neither Google nor Lenovo can handle it, TI89 was equipped with a 68000 iircJun 17 20:23
activelowmeanwhile i enjoy the rest of my "royalty free" life in EUJun 17 20:24
activelowlmfaoJun 17 20:25
activelowlast time i had seen Motorola in the news was the recent political mob throwing bombs and shooting at each other, and a Motorola office building in Israel shown in the backgroundJun 17 20:30
activelowrecently German Politics were worried some german special forces troops diverted 500 rounds of ammo in total for their private shooting rangesJun 17 20:31
activelowthe big picture of this 99% of warheads are stockpiled in USA and Russia (both Trumpistan), now whining germans should invest into Nato while those international actors sabotaged for decades to share the loot acquired after 1945 and after 1990 againJun 17 20:39
activelowrecently it was proposed to send Turkish troops to Afghanistan, who operate (west) German Tanks, (east) German tanks were in the hands of syrians, we had seen how this endedJun 17 20:41
activelowsuddenly, somehow, the patent restiction makes sense, with biological, chemical and nuclear technology involvedJun 17 20:47
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activelowUkraine dismantled too, didn't take long until "international investors" showed up there, Burisma London HoldingJun 17 21:00
activelowthe strongest supporters of Burisma seem to be "Alliance90/green" in Germany, peace-loving pacifists, pro-EU, pro Atlantic Bridge, pro Yugo-war, pro Biden, the Ukraine incident had cost thousands of lives aloneJun 17 21:02
activelowmost of the "eco-activist" and "pacifist" NGOs are foreign agents, prepared for with argument to act in the interest of WashingtonJun 17 21:04
activelowthe current candidate of theirs (Alliance90/greens) to run for the seat of German Chancelor speaks German language on undergraduate levelJun 17 21:06
activelowalmost all of the high ranking personalities in politics, news and media are associated with "atlantik brücke" washington, simply check who is on the member list there to place your bet who will be "elected" by "democratic vote" in germanyJun 17 21:08
DaemonFC_phoneOkay, now the Freenode bridge in Matrix doesn't even work.Jun 17 21:12
DaemonFC_phoneWhat a mess.Jun 17 21:12
DaemonFC_phoneThis is actually kind of funny. Jun 17 21:13
XRevan86DaemonFC_phone: See? I wanted you in advance :)Jun 17 21:14
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XRevan86Huh, no one even reported thatJun 17 21:16
XRevan86I guess everyone decided this is fate.Jun 17 21:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ramsey: @RefChatNet @matrixdotorg As of yesterday, I think Matrix was still working on setting up a bridge for the new Free… 17 21:18
gustafprolly not the highest prio Jun 17 21:18
activelowEU is crucial to their plans because they control the currency with it, to acquire what isn't theirs: soil, workforce, "intellectual property"Jun 17 21:20
activelowrecently i had noticed "east germans" posing on tv as "we are east-german startups", while none of them spoke east-germanJun 17 21:20
activelowU menja polski, lolJun 17 21:24
XRevan86activelow: cho-cho u tebe?Jun 17 21:25
activelowno moja ruski jasuik est ochen plocho, ne ponimaju, isvinite poschalstaJun 17 21:25
XRevan86activelow: Nu dobre, jak skazheshJun 17 21:26
XRevan86activelow: Ale moja dumka taka: w polskoj nemaje "menja", ce suto moskovska richJun 17 21:29
activelowdidn't practice russian for 18 years :(Jun 17 21:30
XRevan86activelow: That would make it harder to read this transliterated Ukrainian I'm throwing at you :DJun 17 21:30
XRevan86Polish has drastically different phonetics but there are more parallels with it here.Jun 17 21:32
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MinceRwell, the people who keep banning DaemonFC probably also don't want to run a bridge to freenodeJun 17 21:43
MinceR> none of them spoke east-germanJun 17 21:43
MinceRwhat exactly is "east-german"?Jun 17 21:44
XRevan86divergent slang maybe?Jun 17 21:44
XRevan86and dialectismsJun 17 21:44
MinceRthere are several states that formed east germany, with different dialects, afaikJun 17 21:44
XRevan86MinceR: Yea.Jun 17 21:44
activelowMinceR: german language is a very old language, and carries along language traits common in Netherlands, Scandinavia, and Russia/Ukraine/PolandJun 17 21:45
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activelowMinceR: if specific language traits are missing then it isn't east-german language where these retainedJun 17 21:46
MinceReast low german, east central german, bits of othersJun 17 21:46
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activelowadd to this yiddish which is very common in east-germany tooJun 17 21:47
MinceRand they probably have more on common with non "east-german" related dialects than with each otherJun 17 21:47
activelowwhatever language those supposed "east-germans" speak, it isn't mineJun 17 21:48
MinceRthen there's east franconian in Eisenach, which is still in the former eastJun 17 21:48
activelowfurthermore german language is a highly sophisticated language, and lacking nuance with expression and grammar is a common indicator of some specific influence tooJun 17 21:49
activelowi mean the "alliance90/green" candidate running for seat of german chancellor is an insult to german languageJun 17 21:49
activelowin this regard Merkel wasn't convincing either, she denied her heritage having studied in Leipzig entirelyJun 17 21:50
gustafwhat's the history of the #boycottnovell and -social channels?Jun 17 21:51
MinceRtechrights started out as boycottnovellJun 17 21:51
DaemonFCGovernor Pritzker said we're in a lottery for cash for having been vaccinated.Jun 17 21:51
DaemonFCWell, it's nice to dream at least.Jun 17 21:51
gustafah ok Jun 17 21:52
DaemonFCOf course, if the news asks what I'm doing with the money I'll have to say moving to Texas.Jun 17 21:52
MinceRlolJun 17 21:52
DaemonFCJust not part of Texas that gets its power from ERCOT.Jun 17 21:53
MinceRlolJun 17 21:53
DaemonFCAnd I'm going to buy a truck.Jun 17 21:54
DaemonFCWith a V8 engine.Jun 17 21:54
DaemonFCIf you buy it after you're no longer an Illinois resident, you save thousands on sales tax.Jun 17 21:57
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DaemonFCMinceR, I was reading an article about Greta Thunberg. It said that she made that "carbon neutral" trip from the UK to the US by way of a solar powered boat, but to do so required two people to fly to the US and back on a commercial flight who wouldn't have had to if she hadn't traveled that way.Jun 17 22:00
DaemonFCDon't you love virtue signaling?Jun 17 22:00
MinceRlolJun 17 22:00
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MinceRmaybe they bought carbon credits to offset it :>Jun 17 22:00
MinceR(not like that actually fixes the problem)Jun 17 22:01
DaemonFCThere's been a lot of carbon credit scams.Jun 17 22:01
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DaemonFCThe US doesn't really track them all that well.Jun 17 22:01
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AdmFubarOh this sound familiar!Jun 17 22:02
DaemonFCMaybe the US can just pay some country where they're living in mud huts anyway to not pollute, just as they would have anyway, and then we're neutral, and a little light on cash, but hey.Jun 17 22:02
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DaemonFCMinceR, The news reported on a Microsoft test project to run a server farm under the ocean. I couldn't help myself.Jun 17 22:03
MinceRlolJun 17 22:03
DaemonFCI said, "Hey, we've all been tempted to take our Windows computer and toss it in a large body of water before.".Jun 17 22:03
MinceRlolJun 17 22:03
MinceRi thought it was going to be a spongebob referenceJun 17 22:04
MinceRor something about moving their upper management under the ocean to accompany itJun 17 22:04
MinceRor something about Cthulhu or R'lyehJun 17 22:04
DaemonFCMicrosoft was having its employees live in server farms to evade the COVID lockdowns.Jun 17 22:04
activelowthe climate debate is a scam anyway, such as the 2.5°C target propagated by "greens", meanwhile temperature anomalies surpassed 10°C in germany alreadyJun 17 22:04
DaemonFCThey were complaining that the temperature fluctuated between hotter than hell and the air conditioner cycling on and turning it into the north pole.Jun 17 22:04
immibisactivelow: scam by the pro-climate-change crowd so they can keep polluting. They have infinite energy and air conditioning, we don'tJun 17 22:05
activelowthe carbon tax is a scam too, CO2 increased by some dozen percent, methane concentration increased 300%Jun 17 22:05
MinceRactivelow: well, some regions being affected more than others isn't exactly a surpriseJun 17 22:05
MinceRthe target is about the global averageJun 17 22:05
immibispeople keep proposing targets just ahead of us, and we keep plowing through themJun 17 22:05
activelowexactly immibis, Alliance90/greens in germany is a scam, they are foreign agents acting in the interest of washington and what is lobbied thereJun 17 22:06
activelowit is no coincidence Alliance90/greens too are strong supporters of Burisma London holdingJun 17 22:06
immibis"maybe let's stop 1000 feet before the cliff." "lol no." "okay 900." "lol no." "okay 800." "lol no." ... "how about 30 feet?" "lol no." "20 feet?" "lol no." "10 feet." "lol no." ... 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... aaaaaand humanity's extinctJun 17 22:06
MinceRimmibis: exactlyJun 17 22:06
MinceRwe're past the "let's avoid the catastrophe" phase, now it's the "maybe make it less severe? NO!" phaseJun 17 22:07
immibisat this point, the GOOD news is humanity might not become extinct because when the economy collapses the planet will have some time to undo what we didJun 17 22:07
immibisonly 95% of humans will die instead of 100Jun 17 22:07
MinceRi don't see how that's good newsJun 17 22:07
MinceRas long as humanity survives, it will continue being a threat to life on this planetJun 17 22:08
immibisMinceR: the bad news is humans might become extinct, the good news is they might notJun 17 22:08
DaemonFC Well, we always have more pressing matters to attend to.Jun 17 22:08
immibiswill the history books say "I told you so"?Jun 17 22:08
activelownone of the proposed actions will counter climate change, taxation of energy is their plans only, high taxation, to generate cash flow into their pockets, energy must be consumed to be taxedJun 17 22:08
DaemonFCLike no matter how much money you earn it seems to take 110% of it to survive.Jun 17 22:08
MinceRimmibis: maybe if we develop powerful enough AI to write a history bookJun 17 22:08
activelowhence "greens" agitate for electric vehicles and Tesla type cars, in parallel to holding tsla stocksJun 17 22:08
immibisDaemonFC: let me guess, Biden? always a more pressing matter until there isn't. When we're 3 feet away from the cliff then it will be pressing, but we'll have too much momentum to stop.Jun 17 22:08
DaemonFCI can only imagine how people with kids manage to live.Jun 17 22:09
immibisactivelow: taxation disincentivizes activitiesJun 17 22:09
immibisDaemonFC: let's abolish capitalismJun 17 22:09
MinceRDaemonFC: they hear people talking about overpopulation and become outragedJun 17 22:09
DaemonFCIsn't dealing with a crappy old car that barely works and has to go into the shop every few months bad enough?Jun 17 22:09
MinceR17 230910 < immibis> activelow: taxation disincentivizes activitiesJun 17 22:09
MinceRactivities of poor people, that isJun 17 22:09
activeloweven worse, those who had remained competitive(!) with a low energy footprint (efficiency) become uncompetitive under Alliance90/green doctrine, in favor of the types of cars sold in Washington/USAJun 17 22:09
DaemonFCMom was telling me how tight fisted my dad was with money. They could afford a new car if he had wanted to buy one.Jun 17 22:09
MinceREU emission regulations are already counterproductiveJun 17 22:10
DaemonFCBut for years they had to drive every rusted out $200 piece of crap that some friend of theirs at work wanted rid of.Jun 17 22:10
MinceRsmall, efficient cars are disappearingJun 17 22:10
DaemonFC<MinceR> EU emission regulations are already counterproductiveJun 17 22:10
immibisMinceR: aren't rich people supposed to be the best at avoiding taxes? regardless, the 99% are probably doing the most of almost everything, just by sheer numbers...Jun 17 22:10
MinceRincluding the Suzuki JimnyJun 17 22:10
DaemonFCMostly because they pile on to the price of a new car.Jun 17 22:10
activelowEU regulations are industry politics to harm German industry, again most pronounced agitated for by Alliance90/greensJun 17 22:10
DaemonFCMakes it more financially viable to find a beater that doesn't get the best mileage.Jun 17 22:10
MinceRimmibis: they can avoid taxes, but if they don't want to change their behavior, they'll just pay extra without significant impactJun 17 22:10
MinceRimmibis: while you break your balls trying to stay afloatJun 17 22:11
DaemonFCYou can tune an engine to get good mileage, but that comes with other costs.Jun 17 22:11
activelowMerkel too is a foreign agent of USA (Atlantik Brücke), acting in the interest of Washington/USAJun 17 22:11
DaemonFCIt adds to the cost of the car. It puts more pieces on the engine that break after 100,000 miles or so and need to be replaced or rebuilt.Jun 17 22:11
activelowGermany already has highest energy prices in Europe, for two decades, carbon tax (eco tax, etc.) were introduced already 20 years agoJun 17 22:12
activelowthe "renewable" subsidies are a money laundring scamJun 17 22:12
DaemonFCScotty Kilmer is a mechanic, he works on all kinds of cars.Jun 17 22:12
DaemonFCHe says don't buy a Kia if you want it to last a while.Jun 17 22:12
DaemonFCHe says he almost never sees them with any kind of mileage on the odometer in decent shape.Jun 17 22:13
AdmFubarscotty hyperventilates a lot.. or need less caffeine in his diet Jun 17 22:13
DaemonFCHe showed one that had 68,000 miles on it and the shocks were already gone.Jun 17 22:13
DaemonFCMine had 5,000 miles on it and the air conditioner already failed and had to be worked on under warranty.Jun 17 22:13
MinceRScotty Kilmer likes to title his videos with things he hardly talks about in them, most of the video is about something elseJun 17 22:14
DaemonFCThe paint is so cheap that it all scratches right off the minute you drive off with it and you'll have rust on a 5 year old car.Jun 17 22:14
MinceRit's annoyingJun 17 22:14
DaemonFC"Modern" is just a code word for junk.Jun 17 22:14
DaemonFCCheap junk.Jun 17 22:14
immibisactivelow: do german people use less energy as a result?Jun 17 22:15
DaemonFCThey realize that Americans are too cheap to pay for anything good, so they come up with a $18,000 car that's not gonna last long.Jun 17 22:15
activelowimmibis: NOJun 17 22:15
immibisactivelow: so prices do not incentivize behaviour?Jun 17 22:15
MinceRnot alwaysJun 17 22:15
DaemonFCThere was one car that was liek $12,000 and I heard that the engine, brand new, sounds like a washing machine with a bucket of bolts banging around in it.Jun 17 22:15
DaemonFCForget who makes it. So you do get things like this under Capitalism.Jun 17 22:16
activelowimmibis: they do, those who had remained competitive with a low energy footprint became uncompetitive due to taxationJun 17 22:16
DaemonFCYou get all kinds of junk under Capitalism. Most of it is junk.Jun 17 22:16
DaemonFCIt doesn't save you from inferior quality. It tries to figure out ways to market inferior quality as a lifestyle accessory.Jun 17 22:16
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activelowit is no coincidence either the eco-activist narrative (scam) is paralleled with extreme anti-german sentiment (Nazi accusations etc.)Jun 17 22:17
activelowtogether with their "intersectional identity" quackeryJun 17 22:17
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AdmFubardinner time... laters allJun 17 22:29
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immibisactivelow: wouldn't it make them more competitive because their prices rose less than their competitors' prices?Jun 17 22:30
immibisand, if done right, such a tax should offset the other taxes people pay, so that people have more money to afford those pricesJun 17 22:31
immibisactivelow: do you seriously link Nazi identity with German identity? wtfJun 17 22:31
immibisshow me a German who identifies as a NaziJun 17 22:31
activelowso far german car manufacturers didn't suffer, many cars are neither produced nor sold domestically, energy production sector suffered (nuclear, coal, imports)Jun 17 22:34
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activelowfurthermore the entire energy agenda is a scam, it is difficult to argue rationally since most of the data publicly presented is falsifiedJun 17 22:34
activelowimmibis: long story short renewable subsudies summed up to 2Billion (US Trillion) with an effective market share of renewables close to ~1%Jun 17 22:35
activelow*subsidiesJun 17 22:35
immibisthe point of the subsidies is to increase that number, no?Jun 17 22:36
activelowif subsidies are either increased or decreased is completely agnostic towards climate change concernsJun 17 22:36
activelowsince these are a money laundring and cash grabbing scam, besides supporting interests (Anti-german industry politics in EU, pro-Washington politics by foreign agents posing as NGO eco activist etc)Jun 17 22:37
activelowfurthermore what was supposed to be a Nazi lacks definition, since this movement was rooted in the "German Workers(!) Party" -> and AfD gained most support among workers, craftsmen etc. doesn't mean they are "Nazi"Jun 17 22:39
XRevan86 the terrorist-free networkJun 17 22:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@plainoldchair: @VeryLoudMC @freenodestaff he actually banned someone for "terrorism" like yesterday. < ashmandias> king rasengan… 17 22:48
MathAmphetamineXRevan86: that was obvious trolling and it was only a channel banJun 17 22:50
XRevan86MathAmphetamine: Can he please not troll?Jun 17 22:50
*MathAmphetamine is now known as CrystalMathJun 17 22:50
CrystalMathashmandias was the troll i meanJun 17 22:51
XRevan86CrystalMath: Definitely disgruntled. Not the focus though.Jun 17 22:53
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CrystalMathi did describe the stuff that libera did to freenode as "terrorism" and that is exactly what it looks like to meJun 17 22:53
CrystalMaththey couldn't just leave us alone and start their own networkJun 17 22:53
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XRevan86ashmandias is affiliated somehow?Jun 17 22:57
CrystalMathno clueJun 17 22:57
immibisactivelow: what would it take for them to not be those things?Jun 17 22:57
CrystalMathi just think that libera staff are "online terrorists" whatever that meansJun 17 22:57
XRevan86CrystalMath: Asking questions, even in a disrespective manner, is not exactly "terrorism", even with the quotes.Jun 17 22:57
immibisCrystalMath: you don't know what it means, but you think they are it. That's basically brainwashed sheeple behaviourJun 17 22:58
CrystalMathimmibis: well like i feel like they terrorized peopleJun 17 22:58
immibisthen you must know what that meansJun 17 22:58
CrystalMaththey controlled something that didn't belong to themJun 17 22:58
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CrystalMathalthough if you say they're terrorists, people may get the idea that they used weapons and stuff, they didn't of courseJun 17 22:59
XRevan86CrystalMath: Ye can go for "extremists", like NavalnyJun 17 22:59
gustafbanditsJun 17 22:59
gustafhooligans Jun 17 22:59
gustafwreckers Jun 17 22:59
gustafludditesJun 17 22:59
XRevan86"luddites" is a weird oneJun 17 22:59
CrystalMathlibera staff didn't wreck thignsJun 17 22:59
CrystalMath*thingsJun 17 22:59
XRevan86rasengan did, right.Jun 17 23:00
CrystalMaththey just wanted their SJW control and cancel culture to run freenodeJun 17 23:00
CrystalMathi say a network is better wrecked than controlled this wayJun 17 23:00
activelowimmibis: you mean not to be defamed and insulted?Jun 17 23:01
immibisactivelow: no, to not be a money laundering scheme or cash grab. What would it take to actually subsidize renewables?Jun 17 23:02
gustafCrystalMath: so the network had to be destroyed to save it? Jun 17 23:02
CrystalMathgustaf: i don't knowJun 17 23:02
immibisCrystalMath: controlling something that doesn't belong to you makes you a terrorist?Jun 17 23:02
CrystalMathimmibis: it depends on how you do itJun 17 23:02
immibisCrystalMath: so for example, if i write some module for my employer, i'm a terrorist?Jun 17 23:02
CrystalMathif you do it with threats and intimidationJun 17 23:02
CrystalMathlike the libera staff didJun 17 23:03
CrystalMathimagine an employee at work saying "we must use this software stack, or else i will leave after change your passwords and wrecking your system to cause you huge losses"Jun 17 23:03
XRevan86Очень сильные заявления, товарищ Кристальный Мат.Jun 17 23:03
CrystalMath*changingJun 17 23:03
gustafthey said Freenode was under the control of someoen with bad intentionsJun 17 23:04
XRevan86CrystalMath: Who changed the passwords?Jun 17 23:04
gustafand here we are, 3 weeks later, with services deleted and usrecount halvedJun 17 23:04
CrystalMathXRevan86: it's just an exampleJun 17 23:04
activelowi don't know immibis, renewables are subsidized excessively already with absolutely marginal benefit; even worse. "renewables" itself is a scam (palm oil, solar batteries, electric tesla type vehicles etc. none of this is worth subsidies at all)Jun 17 23:04
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MinceRdigital murder, the language of machinesJun 17 23:05
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immibisgustaf: clearly the only bad intentions were in the ones doing the calling out. clearly.Jun 17 23:05
immibisactivelow: what about, for example, solar concentration plants?Jun 17 23:05
gustafCrystalMath: ya know, I thought all the warnings were overblownJun 17 23:06
gustaf"how bad can it be"Jun 17 23:06
gustafsurely a grown-up won't wreck something he had paid a lot of money for Jun 17 23:06
gustaflittle did I know Jun 17 23:06
CrystalMathwell basically freenode was shut down, and now there's a new freenodeJun 17 23:06
XRevan86gustaf: Clearly it's the fault of those people that warned that this can happen.Jun 17 23:07
CrystalMathit is painful, because that's a place i was at for 13 yearsJun 17 23:07
gustafif only they had been silent, even more communities could have been destroyed more efficiently Jun 17 23:07
CrystalMathXRevan86: i don't think they saw the shutdown comingJun 17 23:07
gustafno-one didJun 17 23:07
XRevan86CrystalMath: They definitely warned about that this is a wild card.Jun 17 23:07
gustafCrystalMath: you *can't* spin the shutdown as rationalJun 17 23:07
gustafit's clearly notJun 17 23:08
CrystalMathit can be rational based on things that i don't knowJun 17 23:08
gustafthat's conspiracy theory thinking, but ok Jun 17 23:08
gustafor you can accept that Lee isn't entirely rationalJun 17 23:08
gustafor he's VERY impulsive Jun 17 23:08
activelowimmibis: worth it being researched, potentially dangerous. german aerospace became involved with it to fuel salt reactors.Jun 17 23:09
gustafanyway, what's done is doneJun 17 23:09
gustafit's clean slate now Jun 17 23:09
gustafboth networks have roughly hte same number of usres Jun 17 23:09
gustafit's a grand expermimentJun 17 23:09
gustaf(and prolly off-topic for this #)Jun 17 23:09
immibisactivelow: you don't think it's production-ready? there are plants in operationJun 17 23:09
gustafok gotta hit the sack Jun 17 23:09
immibisactivelow: and maybe the government could pay to build more of them instead of coal plantsJun 17 23:10
activelowi had not seen any recent research papers which had presented any data for solar concentration plants to fuel salt reactions.Jun 17 23:11
XRevan86gustaf: Not roughly, Libera is considerably bigger.Jun 17 23:11
activelowthe data i had studied about solar panels and wind turbines installed in germany indicates horrendous disaster.Jun 17 23:12
gustafXRevan86: okJun 17 23:12
XRevan86gustaf: If we take the right-now numbers, Libera is 1.5 the size of freenodeJun 17 23:15
CrystalMathwell it's always sad, but sometimes networks shut downJun 17 23:19
XRevan86I think that in the long term freenode is going to settle on being the third largest network.Jun 17 23:19
CrystalMathStarChat shut down and wasn't replaced by anythingJun 17 23:19
CrystalMaththough that wasn't such a great network :PJun 17 23:20
CrystalMathpeople were still sadJun 17 23:20
CrystalMathfor StarChatJun 17 23:20
XRevan86CrystalMath: freenode didn't die a natural deathJun 17 23:20
XRevan86But it had a big bit of control in a third party, and that third party finally took action.Jun 17 23:21
immibisactivelow: salt reactions, what? they're big fields of mirrors that reflect sunlight onto a central towerJun 17 23:21
immibissalt reactions are not involved. salt can be used as a heat transfer medium thoughJun 17 23:21
immibislibera is freenode like mariadb is mysqlJun 17 23:21
immibisand libreoffice is openofficeJun 17 23:21
XRevan86and nextcloud is owncloudJun 17 23:22
psydroidI guess everything is fine now with libera being the main successor to the old freenode with a different nameJun 17 23:23
psydroidand new freenode being a new networkJun 17 23:23
XRevan86psydroid: Some of the slower people still need to figure out their place in all this.Jun 17 23:24
activelowyes immibis, and specific salts are utilized to store energy chemically, which is an interesting field of research related to radio-chemistry too, uhumJun 17 23:24
activelownot my field of expertise thoughJun 17 23:24
immibisactivelow: maybe. I think for now it would still be a big improvement if we could generate solar power during the dayJun 17 23:24
activelowsolar panels are not the issue alone: it is the batteries and power regulationJun 17 23:25
immibisI think for now it would still be a big improvement if we could generate solar power during the dayJun 17 23:26
activelowwhich too requires batteries and power regulationJun 17 23:26
activelowcurrently the solar power is dumped into the grid as useless volatilityJun 17 23:27
activelowi huge improvement would be if computation centers didn't require active coolingJun 17 23:28
activelowand even then the contribution to savings would remain marginal, since electricity is only ~20% of total energy requirementsJun 17 23:31

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