IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Wednesday, June 16, 2021

DaemonFC

Bill slipped and told the truth about what he thinks about most people when he commented on Beyond Burgers.

DaemonFC

It's not that good, but you'll get used to it.

schestowitz/fn

**** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 15 23:58:51 2021

schestowitz/fn

that ought to settle the duplicates in yesterday's log when FN was downtown Beirut

Jun 16 00:02

DaemonFC

Freenode has managed to lose over half their peak daily users in a matter of a couple months.

Jun 16 00:02

schestowitz

yes, I know

schestowitz

but the issue is, many old settings stopped working

schestowitz

I had to manually change all the clients

schestowitz

next up, rianne's lapto

schestowitz

maybe then viera

DaemonFC

I can see how that would happen, with all of the people knowing how it works leaving.

MinceR

it isn't difficult to lose lots of users with mismanagement like this

DaemonFC

MinceR, I lol'd at IBM's COBOL on Linux. schestowitz linked to it.

schestowitz

MinceR: what MinceR said... (yes, talking about/to oneself)

DaemonFC

There's less people who understand COBOL all the time because they're going to the retirement home and dying.

*psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving)

DaemonFC

Few people learn it. Pay goes WAY up.

schestowitz

what else would cobol stuff be deployed on, windows?

DaemonFC

COBOL on WSL2?

schestowitz

wsl2 is shit and dying

schestowitz

they still infuse funds into it

schestowitz

like all of a sudden after 4-5 years it'll take off

schestowitz

just add a "g" to WSL

DaemonFC

If people aren't using it now, they're not going to.

DaemonFC

It would help a lot if Microsoft was interested in cleaning up this Windows mess so the host operating system wouldn't drag things down so much. But that won't happen.

Jun 16 00:06

activelow

the entire "desktop" system scenario is outdated already, and artificially kept alive by aggressive marketing habbits only

Jun 16 00:08

activelow

nowadas a handful of tiny low-power SBCs suffices already for full system-integration from source for an entire linux distro

activelow

*nowadays

schestowitz

OK, rianne's laptop is back on FN too

DaemonFC

The whole thing keeping Windows and Intel going over the years is Microsoft agrees to make Windows slower and fatter, and Intel agrees to pretty much give them whatever they want on the hardware side.

schestowitz

had reconfigure

schestowitz

both DNS and port number

schestowitz

you can tell FN insiders have NO CLUE how their network words

schestowitz

DNS etc..

schestowitz

the 'newbs' will NOT know how to get back in

DaemonFC

The reason why Windows on ARM will ultimately fail even if they had perfect compatibility is that ARM chips are just nowhere near as fast as Intel's.

schestowitz

last night the FN channel of ours had about 84 users online

schestowitz

right now about 53

DaemonFC

The only reason why it compares well on a Mac is you're comparing a jump from mid-grade Intel stuff that was several years outdated and running at low clock rates to avoid fan noise to the M1.

schestowitz

in 24 hours

schestowitz

I joked about people hopping from FN to LC losing maybe half their users

schestowitz

but now moving from FN to FN is the same

DaemonFC

The M1 is not a particularly good processor architecture. The whole benefit goes to Apple in being that it's cheap.

DaemonFC

They already have an ARM license due to the iPhone.

schestowitz

and you don't get to opt out, they did not even announced this

schestowitz

*announce

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Jun 16 00:19

sebsebseb

MinceR: Windows 10 you didn't make it good enough https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57443598

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils - BBC News

MinceR

remember when 10 was the last version of windows ever?

sebsebseb

MinceR: yep that's what it mentions in that article too

sebsebseb

how aprapntly it was going to be the last version

Jun 16 00:27

sebsebseb

maybe it will be a new OS as in not Windows next basically

Jun 16 00:27

MinceR

rHELL becomes windows 11?

Jun 16 00:27

activelow

microsoft managed to retain their vendor lock-in monopol with microsoft teams (skype), and anything which can launch it

Jun 16 00:30

activelow

which means at least specific web-browsers will be required and at that front situation is scary too

Jun 16 00:31

DaemonFC

So much for Six Flags.

DaemonFC

It's so ghetto that they couldn't manage to be fully open for an entire day before a riot broke out.

schestowitz

sebsebseb: BillBC shilling Microsoft vapourware

schestowitz

with 'former' Microsoft UK staff in management there it doesn't even cost them anything

schestowitz

infiltrated media

activelow

reviewed the dependency trees of latest browsers, with mozilla rust/llvm are problematic, with webkit (epiphany) dbus is entangled, and all other options lock-out users from any typical online web service (youtube, teams, online newspapers which heavily rely on specific features)

Jun 16 00:34

DaemonFC

"Crowds, long lines, lack of staff, closed rides" and then a wind storm knocked some stuff over and a fight broke out, so they closed the park.

Jun 16 00:34

DaemonFC

Wow, that sounds like a good way to spend a lot of money.

Jun 16 00:34

activelow

with a web-browser such as lynx/elinks/netsurf-gtk free and opensource is effectively excluded from what is commonly known as "web" entirely

Jun 16 00:35

DaemonFC

What might be more amusing is that this is actually the "normal" they promised would return if we all got vaccinated. Lots of traffic and smog, and remembering why we all hate vacations and do it anyway.

Jun 16 00:35

techrights-bot/fn

Don’t Like #Firefox ’s New Look? Try These Tweaks https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/06/dont-like-firefoxs-new-look-try-one-of-these-tweaks #mozilla

Jun 16 00:36

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Don't Like Firefox's New Look? Try These Tweaks - OMG! Ubuntu!

Jun 16 00:36

techrights-bot/fn

Listen to #LibrePlanet 2021 audio in your podcast app! https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/listen-to-libreplanet-2021-audio-in-your-podcast-app #fsf #gnu

Jun 16 00:37

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Listen to LibrePlanet 2021 audio in your podcast app! — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free software

Jun 16 00:37

sebsebseb

schestowitz: yep BBC like WIndows and Microsoft

Jun 16 00:37

techrights-bot/fn

#fsf unhappy with #freenode despite its owner being the biggest financial contributor to FSF last year. That really says how badly FN is messing things up. https://www.fsf.org/news/update-to-the-fsf-and-gnus-plan-to-move-irc-channels-to-libera.chat

Jun 16 00:38

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Update to the FSF and GNU's plan to move IRC channels to Libera.Chat — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free software

Jun 16 00:38

techrights-bot/fn

#ibm #fedora : "We're updating copr packages to the new versions which will bring new features and bugfixes. This outage impacts the copr-frontend and the copr-backend"

Jun 16 00:39

techrights-bot/fn

#Freenode Is IRC; As In "Dumbest Takeover In History" https://fosspost.org/freenode-is-irc-as-in-dumbest-takeover-in-history/

Jun 16 00:40

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fosspost.org | Freenode Is IRC; As In "Dumbest Takeover In History"

Jun 16 00:40

techrights-bot/fn

#Mozilla joins call for fifth #FCC Commissioner appointment https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2021/06/15/mozilla-joins-call-for-fifth-fcc-commissioner-appointment/

Jun 16 00:42

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Mozilla joins call for fifth FCC Commissioner appointment - Open Policy & Advocacy

Jun 16 00:42

techrights-bot/fn

#microsoftTim : "Norbert Preining, the maintainer of the Cinnamon desktop packages for Debian is quitting as he no longer uses it - though others have volunteered to take his place." https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/15/debian_cinnamon_maintainer_quits/

Jun 16 00:46

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Debian's Cinnamon desktop maintainer quits because he thinks KDE is better now • The Register

Jun 16 00:46

techrights-bot/fn

" #WordPress 5.8 Beta 2 is now available for testing! This software is still in development, so it’s not recommended to run this version on a production site. Consider setting up a test site to play with it." https://wordpress.org/news/2021/06/wordpress-5-8-beta-2/

Jun 16 00:47

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-News – WordPress 5.8 Beta 2 – WordPress.org

Jun 16 00:47

saint_dogbert/fn

As a 16 year user of KDE, I have to say; kde4/5 leaves a lot to be desired IMO. I still prefer KDE3 over the new stuff. But I find that Trinity is lacking

Jun 16 00:47

schestowitz

which build/distro?

Jun 16 00:48

schestowitz

kde plasma 5.?

Jun 16 00:48

saint_dogbert/fn

Gentoo and 5.2X

activelow

are you referring to qt4/5 widget toolkit or the entire desktop environment?

techrights-bot/fn

The #freenode #kiwiIRC instance has not been working for at least half a day now. I wonder if they're even aware of it. http://techrights.org/irc-channel/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Channels | Techrights

saint_dogbert/fn

the whole kit and kabootle

schestowitz

my wife and I use kde 5.2x on Debian 10 and it works well

schestowitz

some plasma memory leaks, but nothing too bad

Jun 16 00:51

activelow

both kde5 and latest gnome desktops have the same problem: regular system authentication hooked by dbus/polkit

Jun 16 00:52

techrights-bot/fn

Alpine 3.14.0 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152322#comment-29958

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security-Oriented Alpine Linux 3.14 Released with KDE Plasma 5.22, QEMU 6.0, and More | Tux Machines

saint_dogbert/fn

Oh, I'm not saying its bad, just that its lacking in some areas. They need to lock it down and do nothing but bug fixes for a few releases. Bringing back the opengl kwin backend wouldn't hurt either

https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/11/linux_polkit_package_patched/

activelow

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Seven-year-old make-me-root bug in Linux service polkit patched • The Register

schestowitz

systemd and Mcirosoft calling it "Linux"

saint_dogbert/fn

lol

Jun 16 00:54

activelow

to my knowledge torvalds didn't accept kdbus yet

Jun 16 00:54

techrights-bot/fn

#ActivityWatch is a Free Personal Activity Tracker with Focus on Privacy ⚓ https://linuxiac.com/activitywatch/ ䷉ #linuxiac | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/16/#latest

Jun 16 00:55

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxiac.com | ActivityWatch is a Free Personal Activity Tracker with Focus on Privacy

Jun 16 00:55

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts

Jun 16 00:55

techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▅▄▅▂▃▅▅▃▂▂▅▃▂▃▄▄▂▄▅▂█▇▃▁▅▂▂▆▅▄▆▅▁ avg(k/sec) 36.26 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▂▁▂▁▁▁▁▄▁▂▂▁█▂▂▃▁▂█▁▂▁▃▂▁█▂▁▃▃▂▁ avg(k/sec) 36.00 ⟲

Jun 16 00:58

techrights-ipfs-bot

Jun 16 00:59

techrights-bot/fn

"Are you looking for #freesw survey management solutions? Here we have collected the best free Free software survey tools that you can download, install and setup on your own server." https://medevel.com/open-source-survey-tools-2/

Jun 16 01:01

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medevel.com | Best 10 Open-source Survey collection self-hosted tools

Jun 16 01:01

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Jun 16 01:02

techrights-bot/fn

"In my talk at The #Perl and #RakuLang Conference in the Cloud 2021, I already announced it. I'm doing the release of the Perl developer version 5.35.1" http://blogs.perl.org/users/max_maischein/2021/06/live-streaming-the-release-of-perl-5351.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Live streaming the release of Perl 5.35.1 | Max Maischein [blogs.perl.org]

https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-related-irc-channels-4175696409/

stormchaser3000

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxquestions.org | Slackware-related IRC Channels

stormchaser3000

it seems that the slackware core team was k-lined from Freenode by phanes over their history

stormchaser3000

that is rather unfortunate because the Slackware community was the one reason I remained on Freenode

schestowitz

I think I heard about one person

schestowitz

not the whole team

stormchaser3000

now they are gone I have no reason to maintain a presence

schestowitz

stormchaser3000: it's why Ariadne came to IRC

schestowitz

based on her story

stormchaser3000

looks like Tadgy, rworkman, and alienBOB were all k-lined

stormchaser3000

tadgy ran slackware.uk

stormchaser3000

rworkman ran ##slackware on freenode

stormchaser3000

and alienBOB is close to vokerding

stormchaser3000

volkerding*

schestowitz

wow, really awful

stormchaser3000

also looks like the developers of Slackware ARM and the SARPi installer were k-lined

stormchaser3000

(SARPi stands for Slackware ARM on Raspberry Pi)

stormchaser3000

probably by phanes as well

schestowitz

"My first experience with IRC was in 1999. I was in middle school, and a friend of mine ordered a Slackware CD from Walnut Creek CDROM. This was Slackware 3.4, and contained the GNOME 1.x desktop environment on the disc, which came with the BitchX IRC client."

https://ariadne.space/2021/06/14/the-end-of-freenode/

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ariadne.space | the end of freenode – Ariadne's Space

Jun 16 01:08

techrights-bot/fn

#LinuxMint 20.2 is now in beta. #gnu #linux

schestowitz

I spent AT LEAST 5 hours today on IRC nonsense

schestowitz

I could write many articles instead, as I had originally planned

schestowitz

and I lost time yesterday

schestowitz

other people did not lose as much time, and that does not take into account the long-term costs

schestowitz

but having run these channels for over a decade I'm the one having to do the most work to keep things in order, to the degree possible

schestowitz

I still didn't change all the code accordingly

stormchaser3000

yeah... this situation is a mess

schestowitz

a mess for freesw projects

schestowitz

and communities

schestowitz

hard to coordinate coding, concentrate etc.

stormchaser3000

I would run an IRC network myself, but I don't have the funding or experience with running such a system

Jun 16 01:11

schestowitz

it also slows down the news in general

Jun 16 01:11

schestowitz

stormchaser3000: stay here for now, maybe we'll add channels

Jun 16 01:11

schestowitz

at least people and projects generally know where we stand on things/issues

Jun 16 01:12

stormchaser3000

ugh... I accidentally used my password as my email when trying to register with nickserv

Jun 16 01:12

stormchaser3000

this is why I should have run /msg nickserv help register @.@

Jun 16 01:12

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Jun 16 01:13

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Jun 16 01:13

stormchaser3000_

oh well... I might as well use my other username anyways

Jun 16 01:14

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Jun 16 01:14

techrights-bot/fn

#Jetson AGX Xavier Industrial adds ruggedization and FuSa cores http://www.tuxmachines.org/comment/reply/152328 #nvidia

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: GravityMark, Mesa, and NVIDIA's Jetson AGX Xavier Industrial Module | Tux Machines

stormyknight3000

there we go

techrights-bot/fn

Software: Surveys, ActivityWatch, Kubernetes, PingMe and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152329

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: Surveys, ActivityWatch, Kubernetes, PingMe and More | Tux Machines

DaemonFC

I see that mirc registration doesn't work like it used to.

schestowitz

stormyknight3000: thanks, cool

schestowitz

we're all in a sad situation today

DaemonFC

Used to be pay $20 once and all future updates are free. Now you get 3 years.

schestowitz

all ~50k or so freenode users

schestowitz

who could barely even log in today

schestowitz

or lost their username, channels etc.

schestowitz

had to rebuild things from scratch

schestowitz

DaemonFC: : mIRC

activelow

i cannot login anymore, it isn't at least obvious where a password would be sent to with a /msg nickserv drop <pword>

DaemonFC

Guess with IRC usage collapsing and all those people out there that frontloaded "free updates forever" registrations....couldn't let this go on.

DaemonFC

Expiring the serials after a few years might buy him some time to live on licensing fees. Probably not much.

XRevan86

IRC usage's collapsing?

saint_dogbert/fn

it has been with the advent of social media

schestowitz

social CONTROL media ^_^

schestowitz

freenode is also becoming about social control

DaemonFC

"Today, the top 100 IRC networks have around 370k users connected at peak hours."

DaemonFC

It was about 10 million or so in 2003.

schestowitz

based on what happened in #fsf on Sunday and in #slackware before that

activelow

30k participants on libera isn't many, and those 60k on whichever freenode isn't neither

schestowitz

DaemonFC: yes, 10 million says wikipedia

schestowitz

we need many more networks

schestowitz

many thousands

schestowitz

bandwidth is cheap now

schestowitz

bridges can help

saint_dogbert/fn

we need FB and Shitter to implode

schestowitz

that too

Jun 16 01:20

DaemonFC

370,000 in the entire world is kind of a drop. Can't have people using software that doesn't take 800 MB to load a chat tab, I guess.

Jun 16 01:20

saint_dogbert/fn

something

Jun 16 01:21

activelow

discord alone reported 10million daily

saint_dogbert/fn

and shows like Numbers and NCIS trashing IRC only instills fear

saint_dogbert/fn

'IRC is where hackers and outlaws go to plan crimes'

saint_dogbert/fn

or whatever

schestowitz

telenet also

schestowitz

ola bini was arrested for - gasp - using talnet

schestowitz

it's not even secure *telnet

schestowitz

I misspelled it twice

schestowitz

imagine the horrors of bbs

saint_dogbert/fn

lol

techrights-bot/fn

#Mozilla : Federal Communications Commission (FCC) Lobbying, #Firefox Tweaks and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152330

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla: Federal Communications Commission (FCC) Lobbying, Firefox Tweaks and More | Tux Machines

activelow

wikileaks made a mistake: too many names in public, heroes. rule #1 NO NAMES

schestowitz

they started faceless

Jun 16 01:25

schestowitz

around 2009 julian was starting to show himself on TV

Jun 16 01:25

schestowitz

there can also be advantages to showing some people

schestowitz

to refute accusations that they're puppets and proxies

techrights-bot/fn

#SUSE / #OpenSUSE : IBM LinuxONE, openSUSE 15.3 Overview and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152331 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE/OpenSUSE: IBM LinuxONE, openSUSE 15.3 Overview and More | Tux Machines

kingoffrance/fn

yeah, "anonymous" stuff right or wrong, people will just dismiss

kingoffrance/fn

it will be a smear in and of itself for some ppl

Jun 16 01:27

schestowitz

character assassination in absentia

Jun 16 01:27

schestowitz

"they're just a front of the KGB...!"

Jun 16 01:27

techrights-bot/fn

KDE's Nate Graham: Bug triaging is the foundation of quality and we need more of it https://pointieststick.com/2021/06/15/bug-triaging-is-the-foundation-of-quality-and-we-need-more-of-it/ #kde #gnu #linux

Jun 16 01:28

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pointieststick.com | Bug triaging is the foundation of quality and we need more of it – Adventures in Linux and KDE

Jun 16 01:28

techrights-bot/fn

#Akademy 2021 at Home https://ervin.ipsquad.net/blog/2021/06/15/akademy-2021-at-home/ #kde #freesw

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ervin.ipsquad.net | Akademy 2021 at Home - ervin

kingoffrance/fn

well i can get ppl wish to remain anonymous, but you will be smeared no matter what you do if it upsets someone

kingoffrance/fn

they'll smear you for being anonymous and if not, theyll smear you as "xyz-ism"

kingoffrance/fn

i.e. thats just liek your opinion man

Jun 16 01:30

kingoffrance/fn

there is no truth only personas more identity / formalism

Jun 16 01:30

DaemonFC

Windows used to have a Telnet client. HyperTerminal.

Jun 16 01:31

DaemonFC

Adware even used it.

Jun 16 01:31

DaemonFC

There was an adware program called Timesink AdBot produced by a company called Conducent. If you blocked it from connecting to the web server, it would start spamming requests like 10,000 times a second and causing the computer to start freezing up.

Jun 16 01:32

DaemonFC

Eventually it gave up and used Telnet.

Jun 16 01:32

techrights-bot/fn

" #Pine64 has launched a “Quartz64 model-A” SBC for $60 (4GB) or $80 (8GB). Upcoming projects include a “SOQuartz” module that runs Linux on the same #Rockchip RK3566 and a PineDio LoRa gateway." http://linuxgizmos.com/quartz64-sbc-starts-at-60-and-pine64-unveils-soquartz-module-with-same-rk3566/

Jun 16 01:33

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ http://linuxgizmos.com/quartz64-sbc-starts-at-60-and-pine64-unveils-soquartz-module-with-same-rk3566/ )

Jun 16 01:33

activelow

interesting

Jun 16 01:33

DaemonFC

The AdBot cloaked itself from the Windows task manager (incredibly easy on Windows 9x) and then prevented the user from removing it unless all software that was supported by its ads was removed first.

Jun 16 01:34

DaemonFC

It would actually notice that the software was all gone and remove itself.

Jun 16 01:34

activelow

the pine64 products are neat, have ported my system to those. clean u-boot support, blobless. ported some gentoo things to pine64 devices. lots of cleanup to do.

techrights-bot/fn

#KDE : Akademy, Bug Triaging, Packaging Work by Norbert Preining, and Krita on Simplifying Grammar Checks for Manual • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152332 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Akademy, Bug Triaging, Packaging Work by Norbert Preining, and Krita on Simplifying Grammar Checks for Manual | Tux Machines

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activelow

a problem these rockhip devices have could be some undocumented/"reserved" memory regions, allthough i am not paranoid about them

Jun 16 01:36

techrights-bot/fn

"Byzantium continues to march closer to its release for the #Librem5 with UI changes and new apps being worked on." https://puri.sm/posts/pureos-10-byzantium-snapshot-june-2021/ #Pureos #gnu #linux

Jun 16 01:36

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | Pureos 10 (Byzantium) Snapshot: June 2021 – Purism

Jun 16 01:36

techrights-bot/fn

What Earth Mars and Venus Planets Looked Like 3.8 (4) Billion Years Ago https://dwaves.de/2021/06/16/what-earth-mars-and-venus-planets-looked-like-3-8-4-billion-years-ago/ #science

Jun 16 01:37

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-» What Earth Mars and Venus Planets Looked Like 3.8 (4) Billion Years Ago | dwaves.de

Jun 16 01:37

techrights-bot/fn

"Services like Nitter, Bibliogram, Open Street Maps and the countless private search engines are great but if you interact with normal people you will always end up on the original site as someone will send you a link, how about we fix that by just redirecting to where we want to go." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQU-Hq5MnOE

Jun 16 01:38

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Privacy Redirect To A More Friendly Alternative - YouTube

Jun 16 01:38

techrights-bot/fn

Daniel Stenberg: What goes into curl? https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2021/06/16/what-goes-into-curl/ #curl #freesw #deletegithub

Jun 16 01:40

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What goes into curl? | daniel.haxx.se

Jun 16 01:40

phobos/fn

nothing pleasant ;)

Jun 16 01:40

schestowitz

Jun 16 01:42

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://lwn.net/Articles/859599/rss )

Jun 16 01:42

schestowitz

paywall

Jun 16 01:42

schestowitz

Audacity gets a CLA

Jun 16 01:43

schestowitz

"The Audacity multi-track audio editor and recorder got its start in the previous century; it is a popular application that is available for multiple platforms, and it is licensed under the GPLv2 or later. But Audacity has been acquired by a newly formed organization called Muse Group; that event has caused something of an uproar in its community. The problem, at least in part, is the new Contributor License Agreement (CLA) required to contribute

Jun 16 01:43

schestowitz

to Audacity. "

Jun 16 01:43

kingoffrance/fn

eh, kind of seems silly phrasing. theres no obligation anyone "merge" "mainline" any code, from anyone, ever. "contribute" takes 2 to tango

Jun 16 01:44

XRevan86

I don't think freenode will be able to surpass 30K users

Jun 16 01:44

kingoffrance/fn

i mean, you already have a right to give anyone patch. they have zero obligation to accept

Jun 16 01:44

kingoffrance/fn

"license agreement" seems silly. the main thign is make sure you didnt steal code, you actually have rights to contribute it, etc

Jun 16 01:45

techrights-bot/fn

#Intel Xe Graphics Squeeze Out More Linux Performance By Flushing Less • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152333 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

Jun 16 01:46

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Jun 16 01:46

kingoffrance/fn

i dont see how that is "licensing" that is simply identification of who you are, where the code came from

Jun 16 01:46

DaemonFC

They got trademarks on it.

Jun 16 01:48

XRevan86

Right now freenode has 26K users

Jun 16 01:48

DaemonFC

How do you get trademarks on something that's been floating around for 20 years without a trademark?

Jun 16 01:48

XRevan86

Libera has 35.7K

kingoffrance/fn

yes and yes. i just mean whether they take your code or not, is up to them in any case.

CrystalMath

XRevan86: i guess we figure this will get them to leave us alone :P

kingoffrance/fn

theres no "right" to "contribute" even with a license

CrystalMath

let freenode exist

CrystalMath

let people stay on freenode

techrights-bot/fn

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Systemd 249-rc1 Released With Many New Features | Tux Machines

XRevan86

CrystalMath: Now that there are no FOSS projects on freenode, it exists in a different realm than Libera now.

schestowitz

XRevan86: even fewer is you count only registered accounts

kingoffrance/fn

i know, its just legal talk, i just feel is stretched

schestowitz

as they counted again from 0 earlier today

XRevan86

schestowitz: That number is not representative yet.

XRevan86

not everyone caught up and re-registered

https://www.seamonkey-project.org/news

DaemonFC

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.seamonkey-project.org | SeaMonkey News

DaemonFC

They attacked SeaMonkey too.

techrights-bot/fn

Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152335

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines

schestowitz

XRevan86: many clients cannot connect

schestowitz

I spent a total of 1-2 hours today just reconnected and reconnecting

schestowitz

it's going to require many people to changing settings on their machines

schestowitz

*to change

XRevan86

schestowitz: possibly, although I think this has mostly been fixed

DaemonFC

SeaMonkey isn't very relevant these days I guess.

schestowitz

no, it has not

schestowitz

some aliases do not work

schestowitz

and I could not connect with ssl turned on

CrystalMath

i use seamonkey

XRevan86

DaemonFC: Who did? The inspircd migration?

schestowitz

on almost anything

XRevan86

schestowitz: Indeed, the bridge is connect with clear text.

XRevan86

* connected

DaemonFC

Most people don't write or debug web pages, nor would they have any use for ChatZilla, USENET is hardly used because it's not included with your internet subscription anymore, and most email is spam.

activelow

DaemonFC: i am using seamonkey, an old version of it, which mozilla license would deny me to distribute it

schestowitz

this whole thing was just "FUCK IT, WE'LL DO IT LIVE!!"

schestowitz

(Oreilly)

XRevan86

but right now it worked fine, I fetched the motd with TLS

DaemonFC

Freenode managed to knock anyone who was on the fence off of the fence by launching unprovoked attacks against various rooms.

DaemonFC

Leaving them to go to Libera Chat regardless.

DaemonFC

Why does Andrew Lee even want Freenode if he's going to do this?

XRevan86

DaemonFC: This wasn't an attack in the sense as like when the channels were taken over a few weeks ago.

XRevan86

It was a wipe that left SeaMonkey's IRC presence in a state where they may as well just ditch freenode.

activelow

i remain sceptical about the public stories told

Jun 16 01:56

activelow

for example in year 2018 already freenode.org website announced an "elasticsearch expert" as "part of infrastructure" was involved

Jun 16 01:57

XRevan86

Ereyesterday a person came to a freenode room and wrote "Libera", they wanted to test if that would get the room in trouble.

Jun 16 01:57

XRevan86

weird rumours do float around

activelow

one resignation letter mentioned "to this day messages were not logged" on freenode ...

activelow

nonetheless, elasticsearch, and "private data sold" by some freenode staff

XRevan86

It's what they call "Chinese whispers"

techrights-ipfs-bot

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Jun 16 01:59

XRevan86

or Pavement radio

Jun 16 01:59

XRevan86

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/grapevine#English this is perfect

Jun 16 02:00

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | grapevine - Wiktionary

Jun 16 02:00

XRevan86

So yea, people hear stuff through the grapevine and then spread it around.

XRevan86

instead of Libera being mentioned in the topic, it's suddenly Libera being mentioned period

DaemonFC

It looks like Chris Pirillo's marriage to "Ponzi" didn't last that long, according to Wikipedia. I remember being on Geekshed IRC back when they were married and he had his livestream running all day.

DaemonFC

He seemed like a control freak to me.

activelow

this isn't gossip: 2017-08-25 https://freenode.net/news/freenode-live-more-speakers "part of the infrastructure team and a Developer Advocate at Elastic, spreading the love and knowledge of full-text search, analytics, and real-time data"

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | freenode #live - even more confirmed speakers - freenode

activelow

and then.. "private data sold"

XRevan86

activelow: No, I'm talking about a different thing.

activelow

sorry

CrystalMath

how can you stlil accuse Andrew Lee of selling your data when he just deleted all your data?

Jun 16 02:04

XRevan86

Jun 16 02:04

activelow

CrystalMath: according to some IRC blather rasengan said he did NOT delete and freenode.classic remained with it

Jun 16 02:05

activelow

yet i cannot login there anymore

Jun 16 02:05

CrystalMath

yeah it's gone

CrystalMath

freenode classic has no more serices

CrystalMath

*services

CrystalMath

atheme is down

XRevan86

I do wonder why would an IRC server need OpenSearch

activelow

then some former staff recommended /msg nickserv drop <password> which too was weird

Jun 16 02:10

activelow

since this implied some legally relevant consent with what happened during the "transition"

Jun 16 02:10

activelow

and potentially exposed a password to some new staff considered "hostile"

Jun 16 02:11

DaemonFC

GeekShed has pretty much died.

Jun 16 02:11

DaemonFC

The Linux room doesn't even have any mods anymore.

Jun 16 02:12

techrights-bot/fn

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Jun 16 02:16

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Jun 16 02:16

techrights-bot/fn

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Jun 16 02:17

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Jun 16 02:17

techrights-bot/fn

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Jun 16 02:18

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Jun 16 02:18

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LibreOffice: 100 Paper Cuts and Multiple Columns in #LibreOffice Text Boxes • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152340

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techrights-bot/fn

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techrights-bot/fn

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techrights-bot/fn

#Freesw scanned by #ProprietarySoftware ⚓ https://www.streetinsider.com/Business+Wire/Free+Open+Source+UChecker+Made+Available+to+Detect+Vulnerable+Libraries+on+Linux+Servers/18560431.html ䷉ #streetinsider | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/16/#latest

Jun 16 02:22

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Jun 16 02:22

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Jun 16 02:22

schestowitz

OK, up to 60 users now in freenode, 30 in here

Jun 16 02:23

schestowitz

maybe freenode is still correcting some dns-level stuff

Jun 16 02:23

XRevan86

Even now absolutely nothing has been announced

schestowitz

yes, I know

schestowitz

truly awful

XRevan86

but I guess everyone involved already knows?

schestowitz

they harm themselves

XRevan86

and screaming and running around their rooms making weird gestures with their hands

schestowitz

I think we have things over control again

schestowitz

channels registered and all

schestowitz

and the bots should run ok, though we shall see the latest bugs shortly

XRevan86

schestowitz: What about tuxmachines, by the way?

schestowitz

tuxmachines stays in freenode

schestowitz

it was never a techrights thing

Jun 16 02:26

XRevan86

That's… loyal.

Jun 16 02:26

schestowitz

it was never a popular channel anyway

schestowitz

it was introduced because we didn't let new accounts register to comment

techrights-bot/fn

#QOwnNotes 21.6.2 https://www.neowin.net/news/qownnotes-2162/ #freesw

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techrights-bot/fn

I thought #gpl guru was #rms https://www.abcmoney.co.uk/2021/06/14/best-gpl-guru-alternative-site-review-for-wp-themes-plugins/

Jun 16 02:29

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Jun 16 02:29

schestowitz

ok, it's time to merge logs in a 10-min window

Jun 16 02:31

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Jun 16 02:31

DaemonFC

I got a letter from Ball State University campus police.

Jun 16 02:33

DaemonFC

They said that they processed the bankruptcy notification and that I no longer owe them for the parking tickets from 2003. :)

Jun 16 02:34

DaemonFC

Well that's nice.

Jun 16 02:34

CrystalMath

libreboot is officially on freenode

techrights-bot/fn

My TODO.txt archive has just officially exceeded 70,000 lines.

XRevan86

> libreboot is officially on freenode

XRevan86

CrystalMath: Among other networks?

schestowitz

yes

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schestowitz

but...

schestowitz

freenode can remain a glue between communities

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-defender-atp-now-warns-of-jailbroken-iphones-ipads/

AdmFubar

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Microsoft Defender ATP now warns of jailbroken iPhones, iPads

XRevan86

unoccupied has stated that she wants to bridge fn, LC and irc.libreboot.org

schestowitz

if not their home

schestowitz

because many people still remain connected to freenode

XRevan86

schestowitz: Nah, it definitely won't.

schestowitz

there are several networks

schestowitz

not just LC

schestowitz

freenode is one of several

unoccupied

schestowitz

failing that, there is email

unoccupied

release leah

unoccupied

i want to register the leah nick her

psymin/fn

yikes

leah/fn

here*

XRevan86

schestowitz: Right, but the place of the network by default is taken by LC.

XRevan86

schestowitz: That's your glue.

leah/fn

i accidentally registered leah nick on irc.techrights.org

leah/fn

i don't know how, but i did. and i forgot the password

schestowitz

no, it's not for us, as we never had presence there

leah/fn

release it so that i can register it again

schestowitz

and if we did, why not also irc.net

schestowitz

and rizon

leah/fn

Ariadne ^

schestowitz

and all sorts of bigger networks

CrystalMath

i mean i know projects that are on espernet

XRevan86

schestowitz: Because they're not the glue.

CrystalMath

you can host your project on any IRC network

schestowitz

anyway, freenode is hassle free for us

CrystalMath

there are EFNet projects

schestowitz

in the sense we were already there

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CrystalMath

schestowitz: right, just took a little help to get everything back to normal

schestowitz

and we don't want to stretch and over-extend

XRevan86

schestowitz: "freenode can remain a glue between communities" – anyway, this will not happen

XRevan86

for one thing, because it already isn't that

XRevan86

it cannot remain what it is not

unoccupied

epoxy cures all

schestowitz

unoccupied: you can register another nick

schestowitz

similar to it

schestowitz

like leahrowe

unoccupied

no i already own leah

unoccupied

but i'm locked out because i forgot what password i set

unoccupied

it was me that registered it

unoccupied

i spoke here to Ariadne a few days ago, using that nick

CrystalMath

oh yeah i registered this one

XRevan86

schestowitz: freenode is much closer to Rizon than Libera

CrystalMath

but i also don't log in heh

CrystalMath

XRevan86: and snoonet maybe (same software!)

XRevan86

CrystalMath: Yea. I just don't know much about these networks.

unoccupied

i think an ircop can literally do: msg chanserv drop leah

Jun 16 02:43

unoccupied

or something

Jun 16 02:43

unoccupied

MinceR: ^

Jun 16 02:43

arbition

Hi. I might be a major idler, but I saw you guys talking and your news looks interesting, so I thought I might check it out

Jun 16 02:45

arbition

I mean, you guys log publically log though right? Would that perhaps be a better medium rather than me idling in the channel?

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https://www.reuters.com/technology/huawei-founder-urges-software-push-counter-us-sanctions-2021-05-24/

activelow

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activelow

shortly after freenode incident followed

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activelow

Prince Lee on freenode, and King Lee of ITU-T https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaesub_Lee

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Jun 16 02:49

XRevan86

unoccupied: Did the config help? :)

Jun 16 02:49

techrights-bot/fn

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Jun 16 02:50

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Jun 16 02:50

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Jun 16 02:51

schestowitz

arbition: hi

Jun 16 02:52

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Jun 16 02:52

arbition

If China does actually follow that recommendation of "absorbing nutrients" from open source, could the US then start being more stringent with export controls, and start applying it to open source software?

Jun 16 02:52

arbition

(wrt the reuters article)

schestowitz

it would not work

schestowitz

yes, china 'imports' free software

schestowitz

but so do poor amricans

schestowitz

and criminals, and business oligarchs like bezos

schestowitz

so it would miss the point

schestowitz

also, once they have a copy, that's it

unoccupied

XRevan86: ah, did you email it now?

activelow

the china bashing of usa is a distraction

arbition

Of course. But encryption software is still export controlled, and there have been weird cases where it has been enforced

schestowitz

so 'export' cannot be policed, it's not a munition

XRevan86

unoccupied: I gave you a paste with it instantly o_0

arbition

I might be going off poor memory of that though

schestowitz

XRevan86: not sure if I asked you before, but was planning to

activelow

what i am trying to say is there is more issues involved behind the scenes than publicly told, and alot more cash too

schestowitz

should we publicise some howto on IRC bridging?

schestowitz

to encourage more people to do such a thing?

unoccupied

XRevan86: sorry, i must have missed it

unoccupied

send me it again, this time i'll save it

unoccupied

ping leah

unoccupied

unoccupied is... my evil nick

arbition

I personally decided to just join here directly. Now that IRC is more a diaspora because of freenode, I'll just join all the networks

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schestowitz

arbition: good plan

XRevan86

schestowitz: There are so many different ways.

unoccupied

i hope an ircop here will release leah for me so i can register it. wasnt to only be here, not freenode, since this self hosted server is the official one for techrights

schestowitz

after yesterday not many people in our freenode channel speak

schestowitz

even if users online are about 60

XRevan86

leah: Right, I forgot this actually casts you

activelow

it is noteworthy to that a former researcher of "nextgen networking" and "IPTV" became head of ITU-T in 2015, in parallel to Netflix cash bubble blowing and who might hold stocks and such

activelow

*too

https://www.darkreading.com/cloud/microsoft-disrupts-large-scale-bec-campaign-across-web-services/d/d-id/1341311

AdmFubar

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-beta.darkreading.com | Dark Reading | Security | Protect The Business

XRevan86

leah: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/ca551afd from June 13th

schestowitz

I think our irc scripts are are set now and should work ok, next we'll see how ipfs copes

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paste.debian.net | Debian Pastezone

MinceR

unoccupied: i think i did it

leah/fn

Mincer what is this?

leah/fn

the config

leah/fn

leah/fn

matterbridge config?

XRevan86

leah: yes

leah/fn

thanks!

leah/fn

this will do nicely. thank you

XRevan86

MessageLength may need adjusting

leah/fn

mincer, are you an ircop on irc.techrights.org?

leah/fn

yes i have your note about adjusting that

XRevan86

And since freenode is different now, I may need to recalculate the values for it now.

leah/fn

mincer are you an ircop on irc.techrights.org

MinceR

what is what

leah/fn

i fucked up my leah nick on your ircd and now i need it released so i can change nick to it and attempt registration again

MinceR

leah/fn: yes

MinceR

leah/fn: i think i sadrop-ped it

activelow

anyone knows anything how much cash was involved with the freenode domain ownership transfer?

leah/fn

can you drop the leah registration on irc.techrights.org?

*unoccupied is now known as leah

leah

thanks

MinceR

leah

i'll register it now

XRevan86

activelow: No, that wasn't disclosed. Nor if the domain was even part of the deal.

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XRevan86

leah: UseRelayMsg is a really cool thing (ye can observe it here), but it only works if the server supports it and if the bridge is op.

leah

what the fuck

XRevan86

so that's also something to be aware of

leah

same thing happened again

leah

did:

leah

/msg nickserv register password emailaddress

schestowitz

i shuffled around the cronjobs a bit

leah

it says

schestowitz

so recovery worked ok

leah

"account already exists"

XRevan86

leah: By the way, on the old freenode I observed an interesting thing: instead of registering an account with my password WeeChat registered it with the asterisks as a password.

XRevan86

In contrast, on Libera it worked fine.

Jun 16 03:03

XRevan86

With the new freenode I didn't even try, I didn't use weechat for registration.

Jun 16 03:03

schestowitz

let's see if ipfs does its job correctly........

Jun 16 03:03

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leah

mincer i do this:

leah

well, it says this when i try to register:

leah

03:04 -- NickServ (NickServ@irc.techrights.org): That nickname is not registered

leah

then when i do nickserv info it says:

leah

NickServ (NickServ@irc.techrights.org): Account already exists

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leah

how do i register?

leah

i've made a note of what you said about matterbridge btw, about UseRelayMsg

MinceR

retry

MinceR

i think the nick was dropped but the account remained

MinceR

now i unregistered it

activelow

leah: if you intend to use sasl then activate it before registration

https://www.fsf.org/news/update-to-the-fsf-and-gnus-plan-to-move-irc-channels-to-libera.chat

AdmFubar

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Update to the FSF and GNU's plan to move IRC channels to Libera.Chat — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free software

activelow

leah: after connecting make sure the desired nickname/username are active

leah

NickServ (NickServ@irc.techrights.org): That account name was registered previously and can't be reused

techrights-ipfs-bot

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leah

MinceR: ^

activelow

leah: then /msg nickserv register * (depending on wether you want an email provided or not)

leah

getting kinda frustrated. but ok i'll try again

MinceR

lol

MinceR

you need someone who really knows ergo for this

MinceR

for example, Ariadne

activelow

leah: then /msg nickserv cert list -> should show a fingerprint already added

MinceR

maybe the ircd needs to be reconfigured to allow accounts differ from nicks or current nick to differ from registered nick, i don't know

activelow

sadly i made a mistake myself not checking that the correct nick was used when doing this first

leah

fuck

leah

this

https://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-and-gnu-move-official-irc-channels-to-libera-chat-network

AdmFubar

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | FSF and GNU move official IRC channels to Libera.Chat network — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free software

leah

shit

MinceR

or i can try forcing it with saregister

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sepsinn

/em lurks, drunkenly

leah/fn

fix your fucking server lol

leah/fn

i'll just use freenode for now

MinceR

lol

schestowitz

lol

MinceR

i didn't pick this ircd/services

XRevan86

leah: Sounds like a plan

activelow

anyway, leah: after the registration with sasl succeeded you may need to send this with each connection /msg -_techrights nickserv identify * <nick>

XRevan86

With two steps

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leah

schestowitz

leah

then just send me the password

leah

and i'll change it

MinceR

i'll try

leah

thanks

schestowitz

thanks, MinceR

leah

then pm me the password and i'll try to nickserv identify

leah

can just edit the database

MinceR

16 041149 [techrights] -NickServ(NickServ@irc.techrights.org)- Could not register

schestowitz

I'm sure operators can also drop a user account to free that from the namespace

MinceR

i dropped the nick, i unregistered the account, it still doesn't let me register another account under that name

leah

trouble is, now your ircd says my nick was previously registered and can't be reused

MinceR

ah, i think i need erase

MinceR

no, that's just an alias to unregister

leah

i will make coffee

schestowitz/fn

I just did

sepsinn

coffee?

schestowitz/fn

2 mins ago

leah

schestowitz yes i notice in your videos that you often are drinking coffee

baconpowder/fn

schestowitz: what is your thoughts on freenode after today? i read your writings on it since the drama started

schestowitz/fn

sometimes tea

leah

in the most recent one i watched, it was the mug with red and white stripes

MinceR

leah: does it let you register now?

leah

you were drinking from that mug

schestowitz/fn

baconpowder: even before it started

schestowitz/fn

May 8th: http://techrights.org/2021/05/08/communication-channels-cancel-mobbed/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Pro-Software Freedom Advocates and Free/Libre Software Supporters Face Barriers Due to Domination of Communication Channels (Beyond the Media) | Techrights

sepsinn

well, dang.... now the drunk wants coffee... NO FAIR

baconpowder/fn

yea you have had maybe the best view of everything

leah

it now says when i register:

leah

03:14:30 tr -- | NickServ (NickServ@irc.techrights.org): You're now logged in as leah

schestowitz/fn

those people now co-managed LC

leah

now i will reconnect, and try to auth

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schestowitz/fn

that's partly why I am reluctant to even connect to it. I never did.

schestowitz/fn

*co-manage

schestowitz/fn

in raw IRC I ones names who's who

*unoccupied is now known as leah

schestowitz/fn

in the old irc staff

schestowitz/fn

some are OK

leah

ah!

leah

ah ha!

schestowitz/fn

some are hostile to RMS proponents

leah

muhahahahaha

leah

so that's how it works

leah

on *this* irc.techrights.org server, i must do:

sepsinn

oh no

leah

/msg nickserv identify leah password

leah

on other networks i change to leah, then do:

schestowitz/fn

they use their control of IRC networks to spy (intel) and ban

baconpowder/fn

yea but what is your current view on frenode?

leah

/msg nickserv identify password

schestowitz/fn

very subtle soft power tool

schestowitz/fn

psy op and cancel

leah

on irc.techrights.org it doesn't let me use the leah nick until i auth

leah

that's nice

leah

on other networks i have to set guard

schestowitz/fn

freenode means well

baconpowder/fn

yea i understand how the commie left work

schestowitz/fn

but

leah

and someone can actually be me for 30 seconds before being kicked

schestowitz/fn

totally not competant

schestowitz/fn

*tent

leah

i'd argue differently schestowitz

schestowitz/fn

maybe with the new ircd it'll be less turbulent as they know how to manage it

XRevan86

baconpowder: The who left what?

leah

their staff helped me a lot earlier, among all the chaos, to get chans re-registered

baconpowder/fn

yea i think their heart is in the right place

leah

and helped me deal with issues

leah

they responded quickly and got my issues sorted

baconpowder/fn

the communist left, 86 :P

leah

freenode already has like 30k people on it again, in the last 24 hours since the reset

leah

i think freenode will be fin

schestowitz/fn

as for andrew, I spoke a lot to him

leah

efine*

leah

fine*

schestowitz/fn

it was usually him speaking to me

XRevan86

leah: So they did what they were preparing to do before wiping it?

schestowitz/fn

not me to him

leah

anyway, i won't join #techrights on freenode anymore. you have bridge to freenode

schestowitz/fn

and he means well, though only idiots and charlatans would be willing to work for him

schestowitz/fn

so he is glued to a corner

leah

and i'm authed on irc.techrights.org now. i'll join it here from now on

baconpowder/fn

ic, i appreciated your coverage of it

schestowitz/fn

and hired bad people

leah

MinceR: thank you for your help!

leah

MinceR: there actually wasn't a problem before, it was just a leah error

MinceR

ergo is a really weird ircd

MinceR

leah

just me being stupid

leah

i now know how to auth on this server. thanks again for your help

schestowitz/fn

I can show some logs, but would need to redact them

schestowitz/fn

he's no prince

sepsinn

lol

baconpowder/fn

haha no need

schestowitz/fn

just a poor boy who found opportunity and claim of fame

schestowitz/fn

the media uses it now

activelow

the bashing is distraction

schestowitz/fn

he's also not rich

baconpowder/fn

yea they really piled on him reecntly

schestowitz/fn

they usually pick on eskimo etc.

schestowitz/fn

to paint him and the network as some soft of Parler.Chat

schestowitz/fn

*sort

baconpowder/fn

yea, what a joke smear job

schestowitz/fn

the pro-LC or anti-FN trolls contribute to that

schestowitz/fn

because it serves their goals

schestowitz/fn

maybe one day I'll do a long long article about it

schestowitz/fn

now it s TERRIBLE time to do it

activelow

nonetheless i would be curious how much cash was involved with the deals

schestowitz/fn

but I have about 500 lines of notes

leah

schestowitz: i think libera is the bad one here

schestowitz/fn

they're not bad

leah

schestowitz: i came out publicly neutral and i still am publicly neutral, but i'm quickly coming round to freenode's side

leah

i've been giving it thought

leah

and freenode actually didn't do anything wrong

leah

the freenode staff didn't need to leave

leah

they just wanted control

leah

so they made libera

schestowitz/fn

[05:50] <rasengan> I also want to make sure that nobody talks negatively in the end about the former staff either - let's try to make sure that credit is given where its due.

leah

then they accused andrew of a bunch of shit

schestowitz/fn

[05:51] <schestowitz__> yes, better not to name anybody

schestowitz/fn

[05:51] <rasengan> Absolutely, Tom and I are in discussion despite everything!

leah

and already it's not true

leah

for instance they said andrew would sell user data

leah

well, freenode just nuked their database lol

schestowitz/fn

he plans anon IRC

schestowitz/fn

would suit PIA agenda

activelow

leah: freenode didn't nuke their database according to some saying of rasengan himself

leah

yeah and when the old staff left, andrew had to do whatever he needed to get the network stable again

schestowitz/fn

not sure about Kape

schestowitz/fn

but PIA

leah

so he recruited a bunch of ircops

leah

and then got flamed for... running freenode

activelow

he said i intentionally would not transfer the old services to the new databases

leah

so he's being slammed for existing basically

activelow

*he

leah

he's not allowed to win

leah

that's how it feels

leah

similar treatment to what happened to RMS

schestowitz/fn

[01:36] <rasengan> i setup a way for people to chat anonymously in #anonchan - https://github.com/realrasengan/anonbot <-- you can download yourself if you'd like to setup (just requires nodejs/npm) xD

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - realrasengan/anonbot: Anonchan is the bot that powers #anonchan on freenode, the place to chat anonymously.

schestowitz/fn

[02:39] <schestowitz> thanks, wish you'd have a self-hosted git repo tbh

schestowitz/fn

[02:41] <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights

schestowitz/fn

[02:44] <rasengan> ah true, i'll move everything to git.freenode.net soon xD

schestowitz/fn

he did that days ago!

leah

i'm going to leave my stuff registered on libera too

schestowitz/fn

github ARCHIVED

leah

but i think i'll give preference to freenode

schestowitz/fn

and they made o git.freenode.net

leah

while also setting up self-hosted stuff as a backup

schestowitz/fn

which is a step in the right direction

leah

schestowitz: i've also hinted in #freenode on freenode that i might volunteer

leah

that is, if they'll have me, i wish to become part of freenode staff

leah

to help them out. but i'm waiting to see how things go first

leah

but so far, i sense that everything people have said about freenode is a load of bollocks

leah

total hatchet job

baconpowder/fn

hmm yea very interesting story

schestowitz/fn

I look forward to the next step

leah

nobody's perfect. i'm sure the freenode ops have bad traits in some of them. who cares lol

leah

freenode is irc

schestowitz/fn

they put another daemon in place

leah

irc is irc

leah

who cares

schestowitz/fn

https://irc.com/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IRC.com

schestowitz/fn

"Stage 1. Show intent of IRC development"

schestowitz/fn

"Stage 2. Sponsor development of an open source IRC server"

schestowitz/fn

They slid a new one in

schestowitz/fn

without warning

schestowitz/fn

"Stage 3. Launch a general purpose IRC network"

schestowitz/fn

"A new IRC network will be launched under irc.irc.com using the bleeding edge IRC development to showcase what can now be done on the new server with a web client readily available to take advantage."

activelow

i) IRC is only the application layer protocol

schestowitz/fn

schestowitz/fn

Stage 4. Launch the IRC Foundation

schestowitz/fn

Sponsoring the IRC server development that we use for our own network is pretty selfish. That’s where the IRC Foundation comes into play by opening up sponsorships to other crucial and prominent IRC projects; Servers, clients, bouncers and other IRC related projects.

schestowitz/fn

Providing documentation, tools and resources for IRC development in an easy to use manner.

schestowitz/fn

Our aim is to improve the IRC community as a whole and helping other IRC projects thrive is how we go about it.

schestowitz/fn

schestowitz/fn

I think they want

schestowitz/fn

1) more anonymity

schestowitz/fn

andrew has worked on the code himself

schestowitz/fn

sadly JS

schestowitz/fn

so either nodejs or some web interfaces

schestowitz/fn

like kiwi irc and irclown

schestowitz/fn

schestowitz/fn

Stage 5. Let’s make IRC user friendly

schestowitz/fn

We have the development, IRC community resources, a live modern network. But we still need to make it much easier for the general public to use. People understand WhatsApp and Messenger, not servers, ports and commands.

schestowitz/fn

Refreshed mobile apps, intuitive web apps, friends lists, working team support, video calls and file sharing. All within a few taps of the mobile device as people have come to expect.

schestowitz/fn

schestowitz/fn

Latest in https://freenode.net/news/taking-irc-further

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | Taking IRC Further - freenode

schestowitz/fn

schestowitz/fn

freenode BBS: Share links with the freenode community

schestowitz/fn

We’re proud to announce that we’ve launched an IRC-first web link aggregator, BBS. You can join now, post links and comment by joining #freenode-bbs, #freenode-bbs-discussion and #freenode-chit. Chit is our web commenting platform controlled via an IRC bot.

schestowitz/fn

All moderation is publicly visible via the IRC channel, the way things are supposed to be - transparently. Source repository links are found on the respective websites as well.

schestowitz/fn

freenode is the first IRC network to run a major website with all user interaction over IRC.

schestowitz/fn

schestowitz/fn

I think they want a link between www and irc

activelow

ii) the real asset is/was the projects and developers present on freenode.classic and those have mostly left entirely

schestowitz/fn

one way or another

activelow

and iii) staff had left too

schestowitz/fn

yes, a real problem

schestowitz/fn

nothing went as planned

schestowitz/fn

as per irc.com

schestowitz/fn

or freenode.net blog

schestowitz/fn

mind you,

schestowitz/fn

look at netsplit.de

schestowitz/fn

the trouble predate tomaw and andrew fighting over the domain

schestowitz/fn

and in April someone privately blew the whistle

schestowitz/fn

months earlier I had been told about Lee buying FN in secret

activelow

this data isn't trustworthy, i had seen some other data indicating freenode had a less than active 2000 participants left

https://boingboing.net/2021/06/15/if-you-need-to-make-a-liter-of-coffee-heres-a-french-press-for-you.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=if-you-need-to-make-a-liter-of-coffee-heres-a-french-press-for-you

schestowitz/fn

#techrights at freenode has 58 users online

Jun 16 03:32

schestowitz/fn

same time a day before 84 or so

Jun 16 03:32

schestowitz/fn

(iirc)

Jun 16 03:32

techrights-bot/fn

#GIMP and #Krita top of this list https://www.techspot.com/article/2250-adobe-photoshop-alternatives/

Jun 16 03:34

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Top Alternatives to Adobe Photoshop | TechSpot

Jun 16 03:34

MinceR

even libera itself was set up in advance, afaik

Jun 16 03:35

AdmFubar

Jun 16 03:36

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boingboing.net | If you need to make a liter of coffee, here's a French press for you | Boing Boing

Jun 16 03:36

MinceR

that's a nice utm_campaign parameter :>

Jun 16 03:37

XRevan86

activelow: That data was from the Charybdis freenode.

https://yro.slashdot.org/story/21/06/14/2157213/irish-police-to-be-given-powers-over-passwords?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

AdmFubar

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yro.slashdot.org | Irish Police To Be Given Powers Over Passwords - Slashdot

https://slashdot.org/story/21/06/14/191246/wave-of-resignations-predicted-as-pandemic-lockdown-ends?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

AdmFubar

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slashdot.org | Wave of Resignations Predicted As Pandemic Lockdown Ends - Slashdot

schestowitz

MinceR: I always strip those off

schestowitz

manually

MinceR

don't you mean ircd-seven freenode?

schestowitz

maybe I should script something to do that

XRevan86

leah: The staff did need to leave.

schestowitz

same for amp and go.theregister

schestowitz

they're tracking cruft

MinceR

the staff could have decided not to resign

schestowitz

groupthink

https://it.slashdot.org/story/21/06/15/2212220/southwest-airlines-cancels-500-flights-after-computer-glitch-grounds-fleet?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

AdmFubar

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-it.slashdot.org | Southwest Airlines Cancels 500 Flights After Computer Glitch Grounds Fleet - Slashdot

schestowitz

mentality of peer pressure

XRevan86

MinceR: Yea, from seven to eight, let's use that terminology :)

MinceR

and there's always radical freedom :>

schestowitz

fear or rejection by a group

schestowitz

AdmFubar: thankfully we've stopped flying for now

schestowitz

the environment drinks to that!

leah

XRevan86: what makes you say that?

https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/06/15/0453207&from=rss

AdmFubar

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | "Performance Issue" at Nuclear Power Plant in Guangdong - SoylentNews

techrights-bot/fn

#ProprietarySoftware https://it.slashdot.org/story/21/06/15/2212220/southwest-airlines-cancels-500-flights-after-computer-glitch-grounds-fleet

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-it.slashdot.org | Southwest Airlines Cancels 500 Flights After Computer Glitch Grounds Fleet - Slashdot

Ariadne

computers are bad

Ariadne

raise alpacas instead

XRevan86

leah: After the TOTP incident Andrew used all authority he had on them.

schestowitz

goats are good

schestowitz

ah, you beat me to it

leah

TOTP?

schestowitz

today computers don't last long

schestowitz

less than even our fish

Ariadne

temporary one time passwords

Ariadne

aka second factor with

Ariadne

auth

leah

oh, when they tried to lock him out

leah

but why didn't they want him to have anything to do with it?

leah

they being, former freenode staff who now run libera

Ariadne

all that happened is that tomaw enabled 2FA

activelow

if there is some strategy behind "absorbing nutrients" from foss community as Huwaei announced, then taking control of freenode irc is exactly in line with their strategy; same with installing King Lee of Korean Telecom as head of ITU-T, or seeking sponsoring with fosshost and similar

Ariadne

which is a reasonable thing to do tbh

MinceR

Ariadne: how well does doom run on an alpaca?

leah

thing is though, didn't he own freenode?

leah

christel handed it over to him

Ariadne

christel did so without disclosing it to anyone

leah

yeah, so what?

Ariadne

i asked about it in 2017

XRevan86

leah: Enabled as in "ye need to set up 2FA to have access"

Ariadne

well “so what” means had she disclosed the sale in 2017 this would have happened differently

leah

how differently?

XRevan86

leah: Andrew has a thing against 2FA, so instead he did what he did.

MinceR

we would have had a libera.chat in 2017 :>

MinceR

XRevan86: what is that thing?

Ariadne

presumably either andrew would have been properly integrated into the network administration

Ariadne

or this split would have happened in 2017

leah

but what problem did they actually have with andrew

Ariadne

50/50 on the outcome tbh

leah

leah

or christel for that matter

leah

what's the source of their hatred? that's what i want to know

Ariadne

unknown variable who decided to assert itself with lawyers

CrystalMath

hi Ariadne :D

XRevan86

MinceR: I am not completely sure how to explain his position as I don't understand it.

MinceR

XRevan86: yeah, i thought so :>

schestowitz

we need to start an era of irc proliferation

schestowitz

i think evan wanted that with statusnet at one point

CrystalMath

XRevan86: there's nothing worse than 2FA

Ariadne

i don’t think it is “hatred” as much as “unknown variable”

schestowitz

he tried to sell that as a business solution for collab

XRevan86

MinceR: I have a suspicion that he doesn't understand that 2FA doesn't mean an SMS.

MinceR

RIP StatusNet

MinceR

XRevan86: maybe it means some sort of software he didn't want or couldn't run

MinceR

how are those TOTPs delivered?

schestowitz

usually 'phone'

Ariadne

if it’s gandi 2fa it’s just the standard OATH method described in RFC whatever

schestowitz

today we need to travel like 15 miles to a mate of mine JUST TO USE HIS PHONE!!

XRevan86

MinceR: They are not delivered, they are generated, it's time-based cryptography magic.

CrystalMath

schestowitz: and how the hell can someone without a smartphone do that?

Ariadne

phone apps and desktop apps implementing it are a dime a dozen

schestowitz

For some stupid identification "app"

Ariadne

some “

MinceR

CrystalMath

schestowitz: it is stupid

Ariadne

2FA

XRevan86

CrystalMath: But using "PC"

schestowitz

details in http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/06/12/uk-home-office-eu-mobile/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Ongoing Investigation: Does the UK Home Office ‘Force’ EU Citizens to Carry Around Tracking Devices?

XRevan86

By*

CrystalMath

2FA must die

Ariadne

are text message based and dumb

job

you don't need a smartphone for 2FA

Ariadne

some 2FA involve a hardware token

XRevan86

Smartphones don't have a monopoly on cryptography.

Ariadne

it depends on what the implementation is in order to determine if it’s good or bad tbh

schestowitz

[03:53] <XRevan86> Smartphones don't have a monopoly on cryptography.

schestowitz

much worse because

job

I use oathtool for my 2FA

schestowitz

1) their crypto is broken

schestowitz

2) there are back doors at several levels

XRevan86

schestowitz: TOTP!

new: https://symantec-enterprise-blogs.security.com/blogs/threat-intelligence/mobile-apps-ssl-locks

schestowitz

CrystalMath

schestowitz: and some people don't want to use that crap

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XRevan86

It's not abstract, it's a specific standard.

Ariadne

but most 2FA are based on OATH which uses good cryptographic primitives and is a fully open standard documented in RFC i forget the number right now

*psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights

Ariadne

and there’s a gazillion free software implementations of it

CrystalMath

Ariadne: so more crap to run

*psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights

CrystalMath

instead of just logging in with a password

baconpowder/fn

so really 2FA killed freenode?

CrystalMath

freenode isn't dea

Ariadne

passwords can get compromised and humans have a problem with excessive password reuse

CrystalMath

*dead

job

we could just use certificate-based authentication tbh

job

this network allows that

job

instead of using password-based, even on first registration

XRevan86

baconpowder: A phobia of it was the last nail in the coffin, yes.

schestowitz

This whole 'carry around a phone' culture needs to die

schestowitz

[10:48] <techrights-bot/fn> TIL that some places in town where you want to have a simple little meal require that you have 1) a "phone" and 2) an "NHS app"

schestowitz

[10:49] <techrights-bot/fn> To make matters yet worse, some places would not serve you here in #manchester anymore unless you 1) carry around a tracking device ("phone") and 2) install THEIR "app". Yes, with your email, address, name and all... even just to order to a little item like coffee

Ariadne

the new freenode is certainly something

XRevan86

oathtool was extremely easy to find

Ariadne

schestowitz: OATH based 2FA doesn’t require a phone

schestowitz

so far no spam floods in the new freenode

schestowitz

unlike the prior day

Ariadne

it requires any sort of computer that can run an implementation of the software

XRevan86

Andrew could've used that.

schestowitz

but then again little signal as well

schestowitz

no noise, no signal either

Ariadne

it’s because the ircd bans you

Ariadne

if you post more than 3 messages

Ariadne

in a second

XRevan86

In essence it's just asymmetric cryptography.

job

it's weird they would kickban floods instead of just kicking

Ariadne

i got banned by the automated system just for writing as i normally do

job

floods can be unintentional

Ariadne

they z-line

Ariadne

actually

job

if they repeat the flood the second time, then a ban is warranted

Ariadne

or were last night

Ariadne

who knows

Ariadne

who cares

schestowitz

I remember dalnet doing that

schestowitz

in the 1990s

Ariadne

let them do what they want i suppose

schestowitz

many accidental bans

schestowitz

if you 'feel' like a bot

techrights-ipfs-bot

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XRevan86

Just as oathtool was a revelation here, I think that Andrew had wrong preconceptions as well.

Ariadne

dalnet had some overzealous heuristics too yes

XRevan86

But also had lawyers ready to go.

Ariadne

it’s hard to work with somebody whose first interaction is lawyers

MinceR

afaik the kickban for flooding is something you can specify in the mode parameter (how many lines in how many seconds)

Ariadne

christel could have and should have integrated andrew into the team

XRevan86

Ariadne: It's the FOSS spirit.

Ariadne

she chose not to

Ariadne

i think andrew does legitimately want to help, but the problem is that he fundamentally doesn’t understand how the FOSS community operates

techrights-bot/fn

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XRevan86

Or how 2FA operates.

Ariadne

and every action he has taken has put people in the position where they have to back away from him

job

so we can blame christel for this split then

Ariadne

yes i think so

schestowitz

THIS >>>> [04:00] <Ariadne> i think andrew does legitimately want to help, but the problem is that he fundamentally doesn’t understand how the FOSS community operates

job

it's pretty weird that she disappeared so suddenly without reason

activelow

whatever disappeard would mean

MinceR

i think there are other things he fails to understand too

Ariadne

it’s not weird she’s been hands off for years

XRevan86

activelow: She resigned and is not answering any questions.

activelow

btw. i found this christel was involved with gentoo project too

schestowitz

that doesn't bode well

Ariadne

she basically threatened the charybdis project because we granted commit privileges to somebody she disliked

schestowitz

policy of "no question" means doubt in one's own defense

Ariadne

and that began her withdrawal from managing freenode

XRevan86

schestowitz: And freenode is not going to be the community glue. I am firmly standing with that statement.

Ariadne

because others on her team called her on threatening us

schestowitz

it's one of many

schestowitz

and depends on the project

schestowitz

I see some projects scattered to networks that are not LC

schestowitz

2 of them yesterday

XRevan86

schestowitz: By that definition rusnet is community glue.

MinceR

lol

schestowitz

I already have OFTC in my konversation window

schestowitz

XRevan86: for Russian users

XRevan86

Yes, OFTC maintains the second place.

Ariadne

the good news is that irc can support being connected to many servers at once

CrystalMath

oh wait what's that russian network?

CrystalMath

there's a russian IRC network

Ariadne

we just need to reduce that friction

schestowitz

[03:27] <xxxxx> Since the account will probably be lost together with the cloak, my e-mail is xxxxxxxx

schestowitz

[03:29] <xxxxxxxxx> Otherwise, I am in contact with XRevan86 and tdemin (or whatever his nickname was)

schestowitz

[04:03] <schestowitz> OK, cool

Ariadne

make it as easy as possible to join new servers

CrystalMath

gry invited me to it

CrystalMath

gry left freenode forever so i no longer have any contact with her

CrystalMath

she's only on liberia

XRevan86

schestowitz: I know who wrote that, yes.

XRevan86

CrystalMath: Probably rusnet. It's pretty hated though.

schestowitz/fn

OFTC:

schestowitz/fn

[04:04] [Users] Current users on the network: 19029 Max: 19406

schestowitz/fn

But I was warned about some of their staff

CrystalMath

XRevan86: rusnet, maybe..

CrystalMath

any others?

Ariadne

OFTC staff seem okay to me

schestowitz

XRevan86: a sense of community

CrystalMath

Ariadne: k-lined bagira for no reason

CrystalMath

even rbraun doesn't support them

XRevan86

CrystalMath: Don't really know, XMPP is way more powerful in Russian.

schestowitz

Ariadne: most are OK

schestowitz

I was told who to be wary of

CrystalMath

XRevan86: oh yeah i joined some russian XMPP servers :)

Ariadne

i mean yes, that seems unfortunate

CrystalMath

lots of them are .ru

MinceR

oftc staff has some of the worst people, like mcgovern

Ariadne

especially when there are many reasons one could kline bagira

Ariadne

which would be totally legit

CrystalMath

bagira's a good guy

techrights-bot/fn

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XRevan86

schestowitz: Is Snoonet lacking a sense of community?

techrights-bot/fn

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Ariadne

CrystalMath: he seems like a person who gets involved in the moment and then does stupid things

Jun 16 04:08

rbraun/fn

yeah there are many decent reasons to k-line bagira but "activities relating to the RMS open letter" was the reason they gave, so

CrystalMath

i get involved in the moment, but i manage to filter most of my stupid things

Ariadne

i’m just saying as far as bagira goes, if you want a justifiable ban, just wait until he gets worked up over something

XRevan86

schestowitz: OFTC gained some projects from all this, but surprisingly not that much.

Ariadne

he will do something that can be justified for a ban

Ariadne

fwiw i don’t think bagira is bad

activelow

btw. this is what is currently discussed in german politics: full control by government over social networks, because of this and that

rbraun/fn

he seems to be responsible for a number of the recent k-lines

rbraun/fn

which is, in this context, very ironic

Ariadne

it’s because he gets wound up very easily

schestowitz

germany needs to have its own network

Ariadne

also his kline skills are not good

schestowitz

nigeria also

rbraun/fn

lol how "not good" are we talking here

schestowitz

anything else is giving foreign corporations control over a population they might strive to oppress, sometimes in cooperation with the state

Ariadne

hasn’t figured out CIDR yet

rbraun/fn

none of them have

Ariadne

so evasion is trivial for anyone who has an ipv6 block

job

he also doesn't seem to know about banning by ident (or maybe he's intentionally not doing that)

Ariadne

funnily enough, atheme does understand how to use CIDR automatically

job

even if the spammers are consistently using the same ident

rbraun/fn

job, welp.

Ariadne

if you ask operserv to kline somebody it will figure out the most optimal way to do it

activelow

ministry of the interior seeking to deploy trojans and backdoors, full surveillance of networks and services, full surveillance of devices

rbraun/fn

actually the thing that bothered me about OFTC staff, in context, is that a few were close to people on the open letter

rbraun/fn

they gave no reason for the k-line

Ariadne

not that i support using kline as a tool for that

schestowitz

we had that in news the other day, activelow

schestowitz

in Daily Links

rbraun/fn

then a month later when it was contested, gave that reason

schestowitz

the malware as standard

schestowitz

germany copies the UK

rbraun/fn

also whined about the logs being linked in #fsf of a 450+ person channel where they made those statements. because what, like i'm going to trust what bagira says on it? nah

Ariadne

rbraun: regardless of position on the RMS letter i believe that klines should be based on actual on-network policy violations

http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/fsf-channel-canceled.txt

schestowitz

http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/freenode-takes-control-of-fsf-channel.txt

schestowitz

rbraun/fn

and said the person should contact them directly when the same person said in the same logs that they would not take an appeal because the people in charge of such had already decided

schestowitz

hours ago FSF suggested self-hosted IRC too

rbraun/fn

Ariadne, i agree. and it's possible there were such. but the logs seem to have evidence that was not the reason for the ban

schestowitz

I think because I had spoken to them about it

CrystalMath

Ariadne: what about anope?

CrystalMath

freenode is now running that

schestowitz

they also mention gemini a bit

Ariadne

i don’t think anope’s akill system is as clever as atheme’s

Ariadne

but maybe it is by now

Ariadne

regardless opers have to actually be trained to use it

schestowitz

FSF: we did not have freedom https://www.fsf.org/news/update-to-the-fsf-and-gnus-plan-to-move-irc-channels-to-libera.chat

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schestowitz

FSF let's move to another network where we don't have freedom

schestowitz

they were caught off guard

Ariadne

i think FSF did what they could given the workload on the sysadmin team

schestowitz

that's what they said

Ariadne

i did talk to them about self hosting but they didn’t want to have to own the service

Ariadne

if for example this irc gets flooded

schestowitz

good that you spoke to them about it

Ariadne

we would have to mitigate the flood ourselves

schestowitz

we might do some manuals when I find time to study how it works

job

so I heard that doing a /LIST on the new freenode can get you kicked from the network

Ariadne

FSF felt they could not aggregate sufficient resources

job

even though /LIST is already rate-limited

Ariadne

probably

Ariadne

they seem to have extremely paranoid limits

activelow

schestowitz: i am only speculating there is other political and economic motives involved with the freenode drama than publicly presented

Ariadne

the simplest explanation is usually the most correct

Jun 16 04:18

activelow

some individuals banning and smearing each other is probably almost irelevant

Jun 16 04:18

Ariadne

which is that christel sold the network to andrew and made no attempt to integrate him into the staff team

Jun 16 04:18

techrights-bot/fn

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Ariadne

and yes i agree that freenode’s past performance does possibly imply problems for libera.chat

Ariadne

but christel was a large part of the governance problem

Ariadne

so we will see how it plays out

schestowitz

"tech rights" :-) https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/brief-stanford-professors-company-sues-oxford-institute-over-dna-tech-rights-2021-06-11/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IN BRIEF: Stanford professor’s company sues Oxford institute over DNA tech rights | Reuters

Ariadne

i think it’s not good to have all eggs in one basket and would like to see much more diversification of irc

schestowitz

CrystalMath

Ariadne: by that you mean, christel wanted at least 1 right-wing person to stay, while the rest would be happy with 0 and them all executed rather than k-lined

activelow

since USA seek to sanction china/huwaei -> IRC and proliferation, the amount of cash involved, surveillance, and the projects/people present on former freenode

schestowitz

when pleroma.site went under (server crash, data loss) I could carry on posting elsewhere

Ariadne

crystalmath with all due respect you don’t really know what i’m talking about

schestowitz

IRC always had backups of many postings, not just mine

schestowitz

as plain text and html

CrystalMath

Ariadne: i'm saying that christel did good, in a way

*XRevan86 read the FSF announcement.

CrystalMath

Ariadne: she didn't want all the channels shut down

XRevan86

Oi, they're very angry.

schestowitz

XRevan86: it's goooood

CrystalMath

Ariadne: she protected some semblance of freedom of speech

schestowitz

and it correctly shows how f'ed up it is

Ariadne

christel may or may not have done good in specific cases

schestowitz

[00:38] <techrights-bot/fn> #fsf unhappy with #freenode despite its owner being the biggest financial contributor to FSF last year. That really says how badly FN is messing things up. https://www.fsf.org/news/update-to-the-fsf-and-gnus-plan-to-move-irc-channels-to-libera.chat

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Update to the FSF and GNU's plan to move IRC channels to Libera.Chat — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free software

rbraun/fn

i agree with ariadne, it'd also be nice to have a larger, more vibrant general purpose network so libera can focus on foss

Ariadne

but the lack of real governance means there is a lack of real policy

Ariadne

and in a vacuum of policy, people do what they want

rbraun/fn

i was hoping for a bit freenode could move halfway toward that even as most projects left, but andrew lee shot that in the foot

Ariadne

so having real policy protects everyone regardless of ideology

rbraun/fn

yeah

XRevan86

rbraun: It will probably not be freenode for that either, although I'm not as sure of that.

Ariadne

i have no interest in punishing people with ideology different than mine fwiw

rbraun/fn

i mean at this point, i think it won't be freenode for anything much :)

techrights-bot/fn

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techrights-bot/fn

"Viky Bohra, 37, of Bothell, Washington, reaped a profit of $1,428,264 between January 2016 and October 2018 by buying and selling Amazon stock using eleven trading accounts managed by himself and his family." What about #intel prior CEO? Too big to jail? Or #microsoft Robert Bach? https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/11/amazon_insider_trading/

Jun 16 04:24

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Jun 16 04:24

Ariadne

but real policy does imply reasonable boundaries

Jun 16 04:25

CrystalMath

Ariadne: oh since i registered here on techrights, does that mean you could sell my data :S

Jun 16 04:25

Ariadne

i would not wish to operate an irc network that had an absolute free speech position

Jun 16 04:25

Ariadne

CrystalMath’s nickserv registration data available for the highest bidder

Jun 16 04:26

Ariadne

Jun 16 04:26

Ariadne

high quality bcrypt hashes, really good stuff

XRevan86

What is hackint?

https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/15/lina-khan-ftc-confirmed/

AdmFubar

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Biden elevates tech antitrust crusader Lina Khan to FTC chair – TechCrunch

Ariadne

some german irc

CrystalMath

XRevan86: an irc network

Ariadne

they seem on

Ariadne

er ok

https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/15/europes-tech-leaders-define-a-strategy-to-create-tech-giants/

AdmFubar

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Europe’s tech leaders define a strategy to create tech giants – TechCrunch

Ariadne

this bloody pinephone has even worse autocorrect than the fruit one

Jun 16 04:28

activelow

CrystalMath: selling an author's work requires explicit consent

Jun 16 04:28

XRevan86

CrystalMath: "a word combined of Latin letters"

Jun 16 04:28

CrystalMath

i'm sometimes on hackint

CrystalMath

i use hackint to talk to libera staff

CrystalMath

the ones i secretly like

schestowitz

AdmFubar: do we WANT tech giants?

schestowitz

Seems like a presumption that's wrong

activelow

neither any license nor terms of services terminate an author's rights

AdmFubar

duh!

schestowitz

we see your nukes, we want nukes also

Ariadne

libera is so far a mild improvement over past freenode

schestowitz

don't worry, they will never be detonated anyway

Ariadne

at least in terms of transparency

AdmFubar

sorry I didn't know our fly wan undone

AdmFubar

:">

schestowitz

GAFAM would never be used against Americans

activelow

add to this mass surveillance and spying on users and selling their data violates constitutional rights often (privacy)

Ariadne

we should indeed not want centralization of tech power

https://www.darkreading.com/vulnerabilities---threats/new-top-20-secure-coding-list-positions-plcs-as-plant-bodyguards/d/d-id/1341289

AdmFubar

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Ariadne

this is an at large digital autonomy issue though, not just one of software freedom

Ariadne

it is possible to become a tech giant on the back of free software

techrights-bot/fn

WRONG APPROACH. WE DO NOT WANT OR NEED TECH GIANTS. https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/15/europes-tech-leaders-define-a-strategy-to-create-tech-giants/

Ariadne

however i don’t believe licensing is the solution to this problem

techrights-bot/fn

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Ariadne

pine phoneeeeeeee

schestowitz

android started small

Ariadne

i have to admit alpine on the pinephone is pretty sweet

schestowitz

then it became a microphone

Ariadne

i am using sxmo

schestowitz

and billions of them

schestowitz

amazon also uses a lot of free software

schestowitz

but watch what it does with it...

Ariadne

and whenever i get a text it pings me in IRC

https://www.darkreading.com/vulnerabilities---threats/know-thy-enemy-fighting-half-blind-against-ransomware-wont-work/a/d-id/1341254

AdmFubar

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schestowitz

it's not just about licences

Ariadne

ransomware is fucked

Ariadne

i wish companies did not pay

XRevan86

Ariadne: oh hey, another pinephone user, welcome, welcome :D

schestowitz

rianne talks about a pinephone

schestowitz

we don't have a mobile

Ariadne

well pinephone testing atm

activelow

recently govnerment seeks to phase out old mobile phones (such as mine) since these didn't support "corona app" in germany

XRevan86

scientes, myself, MinceR and now Ariadne

Ariadne

i have an iphone which is admittedly awful for software freedom but at least apple is not asking me to review sex shops i walked past

techrights-bot/fn

Another corporate do-nothing or a change? https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/15/lina-khan-ftc-confirmed/

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activelow

by coincidence i received an SMS from my mobile network operator they would disable "deprecated" umts and support LTE only (which is technical nonsense since fallback to GSM is mandatory anyway)

Jun 16 04:36

*XRevan86 looks for a place where to review sex shops on AOSP

Jun 16 04:36

techrights-bot/fn

What they "Say" is pure marketing. #gnu #linux does the same thing far more effectively, on many levels... https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/222303

Ariadne

custom android roms really aren’t my thing

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Ariadne

the thing that makes pmOS interesting to me is

Ariadne

if it breaks

XRevan86

Ariadne: I don't really get why.

Ariadne

i can just NMU a new package that fixes my problem

Ariadne

i can’t do that with AOSO

Ariadne

AOSP

Ariadne

sorry still getting used to typing on this thing

XRevan86

Ariadne: Ye can hack it to death with Magisk though :)

Ariadne

don’t care

Ariadne

i don’t like java

XRevan86

Ariadne: Not a full replacement, but it's a powerful tool nonetheless.

Ariadne

i don’t want to learn java

Ariadne

i don’t want to think about java

Ariadne

i don’t like android anyway

techrights-bot/fn

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Ariadne

what i basically want is iOS but free software

Jun 16 04:39

XRevan86

Ariadne: I'm pretty sure it's like the opposite of that.

Jun 16 04:39

XRevan86

I don't know Java by the way. It's too much for me.

*schestowitz thinks people lived OK before phones were portable

Ariadne

ludditerights.org

techrights-bot/fn

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Ariadne

XRevan86: bluntly if i am going to use a free software mobile platform at this point

techrights-bot/fn

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Ariadne

it’s going to be one built on my world view

Ariadne

which is alpine

schestowitz

we need meshed networks

schestowitz

that use encryption

Ariadne

that literally describes LTE

Ariadne

and 5G

Ariadne

they are mesh networks

techrights-bot/fn

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Ariadne

they have encrypted sessions

activelow

the problem begins with telco operators already, and the situation there escalated already around year 2003 with the implementation of "mobile number portability", with my limited understanding of this

Jun 16 04:43

Ariadne

fun fact: the most widely deployed 5G base station platform uses alpine

Jun 16 04:43

*schestowitz claps

techrights-bot/fn

● NEWS ● #RickCarlino #Programming ☞ TIL How RetroForth Implements Deferred Behavior https://rickcarlino.com/2021/06/01/til-how-retroforth-implements-deferred-behavior-html.html

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rickcarlino.com | TIL How RetroForth Implements Deferred Behavior

activelow

national parliaments objected to "mass surveillance" (Vorratsdatenspeicherung) -> as a consequence national governmental agencies turned to EU parliament and counciles and passed required legistlation there

techrights-bot/fn

● NEWS ● #ThreatPost ☞ #Microsoft Gets Second Shot at Banning #hiQ from Scraping #LinkedIn User Data https://threatpost.com/court-linkedin-data-scraping/166927/

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techrights-bot/fn

● NEWS ● #TimesHigherEducation #Education ☞ The joy of text in a world of tech zealotry https://www.timeshighereducation.com/campus/joy-text-world-tech-zealotry

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timeshighereducation.com | The joy of text in a world of tech zealotry | THE Campus Learn, Share, Connect

techrights-bot/fn

● NEWS ● #DanielLemire #Education ☞ How long should you work on a problem h https://lemire.me/blog/2021/06/14/how-long-should-you-work-on-a-problem/ “intellectual latency”

Jun 16 04:46

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ https://lemire.me/blog/2021/06/14/how-long-should-you-work-on-a-problem/ )

Jun 16 04:46

activelow

most of the surveillance stuff is completely outside the scope of TCP/IP or any operating system security circus

Jun 16 04:47

Ariadne

indeed

Jun 16 04:47

activelow

telco operation, it is a completely separate protocol stack, to begin there

Jun 16 04:48

activelow

ever heard of "Intelligent Network" or CAMEL/CAP protocol? "routing on IMSI" and triggering ALL calls was implemented 2003

Jun 16 04:48

activelow

it is completely irelevant if I used a GSM mobile phone from year 2000 or a shiny bright android

Jun 16 04:49

activelow

and the relevant legal aspects are what is spied and tapped: the network, a service, or an individual device, online or offline even

Jun 16 04:50

schestowitz

yes, hence avoid..

Jun 16 04:51

Ariadne

land lines are also tapped in that way

Ariadne

its all SS7 at the core

techrights-bot/fn

#Microsoft #Windows TCO: ● #TheHill #ProprietarySoftware ☞ TSA working on additional pipeline security regulations following Colonial Pipeline hack https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/558606-tsa-working-on-additional-pipeline-security-regulations-following

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-TSA working on additional pipeline security regulations following Colonial Pipeline hack | TheHill

techrights-bot/fn

#Microsoft #Windows TCO: ● #TheHill #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Verizon, water agency targeted in Chinese cyber espionage campaign: report https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/558578-verizon-water-agency-targeted-in-chinese-cyber-espionage-campaign-report

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Verizon, water agency targeted in Chinese cyber espionage campaign: report | TheHill

schestowitz

yes, land lines were always tapped

schestowitz

but you could not enable a speaker phone/microphone remotely

schestowitz

RMS still uses an old and traditional handset

schestowitz

i need some sleep

activelow

not really, the full integration with "Intelligent Network" and CAMEL/CAP was implemented rather late, around 2003 due to "mobile number portability"

schestowitz

irc chaos prevented me sleeping and it's not healthy

arbition

What are people's thoughts on Android with a custom rom sans Google Services?

arbition

I haven't had much success sticking to it, but it's still on my mind

Ariadne

the pinephone has a physical kill switch for the modem

Jun 16 04:55

Ariadne

also wifi, mic, etc

arbition

I thought the Librem 5 had those, and the pinephone was only soft switches

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activelow

MNP means, effectively, the network provider can be swapped transparently, for mobile phone calls (and anything inside ISDN) the "voicebox" feature is implemented for automated answering etc., "conferencing"

Ariadne

i wonder when the first anime XDCC channel will be started on the new freenode

Jun 16 04:58

activelow

wouldn't surprise me if "voice recognition" allowed for automated speech-to-text for further processing, though this is only speculation since i had not seen this feature specifically yet

Jun 16 04:58

Ariadne

freedom!

Jun 16 04:58

techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▅▄▅▂▃▅▆▅▅▄▆▄▄▅▃▂▅▆▇▅▆▄▅▃▆▅▅▆▆▃▄▂▃▅▃▅▃▁ avg(k/sec) 24.21 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▃▁▂▁▂▃▂▁▁▂▂▂▁▁▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▁▂▁▁▁▁ avg(k/sec) 22.40 ⟲

Ariadne

ooooooh

Ariadne

there's an idea

Ariadne

an XDCC channel for downloading linux ISOs

https://www.alternet.org/2021/06/american-business-owners-discover-a-novel-solution-to-the-worker-shortage-problem/

AdmFubar

Jun 16 05:05

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-American business owners discover a novel solution to the worker shortage problem - Alternet.org

Jun 16 05:05

DaemonFC

I briefly resorted to IRC to swap MP3s when all of the first and second generation P2P programs were having the issues.

Jun 16 05:09

DaemonFC

People would set up DCC servers and it was a total pain in the ass, but it wasn't being monitored closely.

Jun 16 05:10

DaemonFC

For quite some time after the RIAA destroyed Napster, the last available binary of the P2P version still ran fine on Windows and could be pointed at someone else's (reverse engineered protocol) server.

Jun 16 05:12

DaemonFC

So I used that for many years as well.

Jun 16 05:12

DaemonFC

I'm curious about Fopnu, but how it works is unknown.

Jun 16 05:15

DaemonFC

I don't know anything about what might be available on the network.

Jun 16 05:15

DaemonFC

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1708829

Jun 16 05:26

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.mozilla.org | 1708829 - Cannot zoom 3D Models with mouse wheel anymore

Jun 16 05:26

DaemonFC

More crap from Webkit/Blink.

Jun 16 05:26

techrights-ipfs-bot

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Jun 16 05:59

job

wtf

Jun 16 06:00

job

when did zooming on mouse wheels only became the norm

Jun 16 06:00

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Jun 16 06:07

techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▅▄▆▆▅▄▂▅▄▅▅▅▅▆▅▆▄▆▆▅▆▃▅▆▅▆▇▆▆▃▅▁ avg(k/sec) 26.33 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▃▂▃▂▂▃▁▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 6.55 ⟲

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techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▆▆▄▃▅▆▂▃▄▅▆▃▇▂▅▅▅▆▂▅▆▅▅▃▆▅▂▅▆▅▆▅▁ avg(k/sec) 26.66 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▂▃▂▂▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▁▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▂▃▁▁ avg(k/sec) 17.95 ⟲

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Jun 16 08:09

schestowitz

job: usually behind the wheels now

schestowitz

on so-called 'gaming' mice

job

oh, interesting

job

I always thought that page zoom is only ctrl+mouse wheel scroll

schestowitz

a waste of button

schestowitz

I'd rather reprogram it

job

yeah

techrights-bot/fn

#AlpineLinux 3.14 Released With Many Package Updates For This Lightweight Distro • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152344 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Alpine Linux 3.14 Released With Many Package Updates For This Lightweight Distro | Tux Machines

techrights-bot/fn

#GNU #Linux for Starters: Your Guide to Linux – 8 Things to do after installing #Ubuntu – Part 5 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152345

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux for Starters: Your Guide to Linux – 8 Things to do after installing Ubuntu – Part 5 | Tux Machines

techrights-bot/fn

Magic typing with shortcuts on Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152346

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Magic typing with shortcuts on Linux | Tux Machines

techrights-bot/fn

#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152347 #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-57474384

activelow

Jun 16 08:44

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | China Taishan plant: 'Performance issue' reported at nuclear facility - BBC News

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Jun 16 08:45

schestowitz

they should have licensed something from Bill instead, according to BillBC?

Jun 16 08:45

activelow

sorry? off-topic?

Jun 16 08:46

schestowitz

somewhat

activelow

reading tech news.

schestowitz

what's tech news

schestowitz

oh, that...

schestowitz

yes, well... what's left of it

http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/BBC

schestowitz

BBC "Tech": former Microsoft UK staff pretending to give tech [sic] news

Jun 16 08:49

schestowitz

like WIndows Vapourware

Jun 16 08:49

schestowitz

Vista 11 coming "Real soon now"(TM)

Jun 16 08:49

activelow

i see, BBC is considered enemy territory. i scraped the news from a german site and looked for the best english-language match.

Jun 16 08:50

schestowitz

Jun 16 08:53

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | BBC - Techrights

Jun 16 08:53

techrights-ipfs-bot

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Jun 16 08:59

techrights-bot/fn

Virtual Injustice — Part 8: A Well-Connected ‘IP’ Maximalist http://techrights.org/2021/06/16/epo-patent-maximalist/ #epo #swpats @zoobab @fsf #rms #freesw #patents

Jun 16 09:01

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice — Part 8: A Well-Connected ‘IP’ Maximalist | Techrights

Jun 16 09:01

activelow

this is a misrepresentation of RMS: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/swpats-rms.png

Jun 16 09:03

activelow

it simply isn't what he says.

Jun 16 09:04

schestowitz

I know

schestowitz

we didn't get down to the details

schestowitz

and I was planning to do a video

schestowitz

but we don't have a mobile phone

schestowitz

so need to travel out of town to a friend's 'phone'

schestowitz

to use an "app"

schestowitz

hence not time today for videos :/

schestowitz

RMS promotes copyleft

schestowitz

it's a copyright-based licence

activelow

yes, and effectively GPL and copyleft in particular are crucial to *enforce* copyright and even patent claims.

schestowitz

I'm leaving in a bit..

schestowitz

at least I managed to release part 8, tomorrow 9 to come, 14 in total

schestowitz

IRC draining out all my personal capacity resources this week (or month)

Jun 16 09:09

activelow

Jun 16 09:09

activelow

i am finalizing some distro release here and got some time in between. i'll sneak around elsewhere.

Jun 16 09:09

activelow

anyway, glad to have found techrights and like-minded.

Jun 16 09:10

techrights-bot/fn

𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 #IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/16/irc-log-150621/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/16/irc-log-150621/

Jun 16 09:11

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 | Techrights

Jun 16 09:11

techrights-bot/fn

Jun 16 09:12

techrights-bot/fn

#LinuxMint 20.2 Beta is Available for Download • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152348 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

Jun 16 09:12

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 20.2 Beta is Available for Download | Tux Machines

Jun 16 09:12

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Jun 16 09:13

techrights-bot/fn

The #EPO #lobbying for European #softwarepatents goes all the way to the top, including #AntónioCampinos and his circle • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/16/epo-patent-maximalist/ ䷉ #swpats | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/16/epo-patent-maximalist/

Jun 16 09:13

schestowitz

activelow: welcome.

Jun 16 10:16

schestowitz

we're back now

Jun 16 10:16

schestowitz

was sunny, went running around Man City Stadium

Jun 16 10:16

techrights-bot/fn

Tons and tons of work around Man City Stadium this month. More and more projects. Even the Mercedes garage nearby is being relocated (that happened a few days ago), maybe to give way to Etihad projects? I guess that happens when you take two trophies in half a year and reach Champions League final.

Jun 16 10:18

schestowitz

I am writing up "Techrights Statement on IRC"

Jun 16 10:20

schestowitz

Can we get input here from IRC?

Jun 16 10:20

schestowitz

to make sure I don't miss out something?

Jun 16 10:21

gustaf

"have a bug-out bag ready" seems like a good tip ;)

Jun 16 10:21

schestowitz

how is this for a draft?

schestowitz

Techrights Statement on IRC

schestowitz

YESTERDAY was the most turbulent day in IRC since we started using IRC in early 2008. There are many of us who are involved in running Techrights (IRC, hosting, Daily Links, research and so on), and no doubt yesterday's events in Freenode had a profound effect on our ability to communicate, to produce articles, and to code (we had to change a lot in code in many machines, then do extensive testing).

schestowitz

IRC is a universal protocol that is very old and widely supported by a large number of software clients. It's nowhere near of its peak of 2003 (about 10 million online users, according to Wikipedia), but many geeks still use it. Freenode says (in IRC.com and in Freenode.net) that it wants to take IRC to the next level, but what was done yesterday without prior warning and with barely a coherent explanation is inexcusable. Those of us who still had

schestowitz

some trust in Freenode, including the FSF, lost most of all of that trust. Freenode needs to get together and formulate a statement on yesterday's events. Otherwise, we cannot be sure such impulsive and erratic decisions will be made again (with zero prior consultation with communities that actually made Freenode what it is).

schestowitz

Our channels are all available at <code>irc.techrights.org</code> (default port numbers). The "Techrights" (<code>#techrights</code>) channel dropped from about 85 users (before Tuesday's chaos) to just 54 at this moment. We are not leaving Freenode (we have been there for a very long time and have a bridge set up), but we certainly deserve an explanation from Freenode management and we certainly anticipate one.

Techrights-sec

And, unfortunately, sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable

Jun 16 10:36

Techrights-sec

from malice.

Jun 16 10:36

techrights-bot/fn

● NEWS ● #Bloomberg #Monopolies ☞ Google, Amazon Defend Home Device Business in #Antitrust Hearing https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-15/google-amazon-defend-home-device-business-in-antitrust-hearing

Jun 16 10:37

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Jun 16 10:37

techrights-bot/fn

● NEWS ● #BroadbandBreakfast #Monopolies ☞ Technology Groups Speak Out Against Proposed #Antitrust Package https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2021/06/technology-executives-speak-out-against-proposed-antitrust-package/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-broadbandbreakfast.com | Technology Groups Speak Out Against Proposed Antitrust Package : Broadband Breakfast

techrights-bot/fn

● NEWS ● #RollingStone #Copyrights #Copyright ☞ #RogerWaters Says He Rejected Facebook’s Offer to Use ‘Another Brick in the Wall’ in Ad https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/roger-waters-rejects-facebook-offer-another-brick-in-the-wall-1183773/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rollingstone.com | Roger Waters Rejects Facebook Offer to Use 'Another Brick in the Wall' - Rolling Stone

techrights-bot/fn

● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ Pirate Site Blocking Requests Sneak into U.S. Courts https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-site-blocking-requests-sneak-into-u-s-courts-210615/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pirate Site Blocking Requests Sneak into U.S. Courts * TorrentFreak

techrights-bot/fn

● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ Devs Sneak Movie Piracy Apps Into App Store Disguised as Other Things https://torrentfreak.com/devs-sneak-movie-piracy-apps-into-app-store-disguised-as-other-things-210615/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Devs Sneak Movie Piracy Apps Into App Store Disguised as Other Things * TorrentFreak

Techrights-sec

I'd suggest moving the "And, unfortunately ..." sentence to right

Jun 16 10:48

Techrights-sec

before "Our channels..." so that it closes with the call to action

Jun 16 10:48

Techrights-sec

instead.

Jun 16 10:48

Techrights-sec

>> see wordpress draft

Jun 16 10:51

schestowitz

i am picking some graphics in the meantime, will need to do summary etc.

Jun 16 10:51

Techrights-sec

D-R ouight to be expanded

Jun 16 10:52

Techrights-sec

(I presume it is disaster recovery)

Jun 16 10:52

schestowitz

I will use abbr

Jun 16 10:52

Techrights-sec

The last sentence is probably unneccesary. Novell is not relevant any more

Techrights-sec

the focus should stay on freenode

Techrights-sec

Maybe also:

Techrights-sec

change "The value of Freenode isnt ..." to "However, the value of Freenode isnt ..."

https://ircz.de/p/21061354

schestowitz

ok, I will finish the editing now, I left it untouched

Jun 16 10:58

techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▆▄▅▅▅▆▄▅▃▅▅▆▅▆▇▅▅▃▇▃▄▅▄▆▃▄▆▇▅▆▄▅▅▁ avg(k/sec) 27.61 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▁▂▁▂▃▂▂▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▂▂▂▂▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▁▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 6.11 ⟲

Jun 16 10:59

techrights-bot/fn

● NEWS ● #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux ☞ Make a Raspberry Pi-powered BMO Adventure Time console https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/make-a-raspberry-pi-powered-bmo-adventure-time-console/

Jun 16 11:18

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Make a Raspberry Pi-powered BMO Adventure Time console - Raspberry Pi

Jun 16 11:18

techrights-bot/fn

Techrights Statement on #IRC • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/16/techrights-statement-on-irc/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/16/techrights-statement-on-irc/

Jun 16 11:36

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Statement on IRC | Techrights

Jun 16 11:36

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Jun 16 11:36

activelow

netsplit.de reports freenode dropped below top100 https://netsplit.de/networks/history/top10_2021u.png

Jun 16 11:42

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techrights-ipfs-bot

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Jun 16 13:11

MinceR

16 055359 <~schestowitz> but you could not enable a speaker phone/microphone remotely

Jun 16 13:40

MinceR

are you sure?

Jun 16 13:40

MinceR

16 055435 < arbition> What are people's thoughts on Android with a custom rom sans Google Services?

Jun 16 13:41

MinceR

i'd prefer that to systemd/Linux, but i prefer GNU/Linux to Android/Linux

Jun 16 13:41

MinceR

16 055652 < arbition> I thought the Librem 5 had those, and the pinephone was only soft switches

Jun 16 13:41

MinceR

afaik they both have them, but in the pinephone it's on the inside (behind the back cover) and on the librem it's on the outside

Jun 16 13:42

MinceR

Jun 16 14:42

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5556941)

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techrights-ipfs-bot

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Jun 16 15:00

MinceR

https://ircz.de/p/21061238

Jun 16 15:22

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5553331)

Jun 16 15:22

MinceR

(fox) ^

Jun 16 15:22

MinceR

should have tagged it for Roy's sake :>

Jun 16 15:23

MinceR

https://uncyclopedia.ca/wiki/Uncyclopedia:Patented_nonsense

Jun 16 15:30

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-uncyclopedia.ca | Uncyclopedia:Patented nonsense - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia

Jun 16 15:30

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Jun 16 16:07

alextee

is this bridged with freenode?

Jun 16 16:17

XRevan86

alextee: yes

Jun 16 16:27

XRevan86

It's harder to tell now that most of the discussion is in here now :3

Jun 16 16:27

alextee

kewl

Jun 16 16:29

DaemonFC

https://wgntv.com/news/apple-watches-are-mistakenly-calling-911-police-say/

Jun 16 16:30

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Apple Watches are mistakenly calling 911, police say | WGN-TV

Jun 16 16:30

AdmFubar

:D :)) uncyclopedia!

Jun 16 16:43

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Jun 16 16:47

DaemonFC

Matrix.org isn't federating properly with Freenode right now.

Jun 16 16:47

AdmFubar

there was an episode of doctor who about this https://www.insider.com/ai-emotion-recognition-system-tracks-how-happy-chinas-workers-are-2021-6

Jun 16 16:48

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.insider.com | An AI 'Emotion-Recognition System' Can Track How 'Happy' Chinese People Are at Work

Jun 16 16:48

AdmFubar

https://boingboing.net/2021/06/16/russia-announces-new-plans-to-use-forced-prison-labor-promises-it-wont-be-a-gulag.html

Jun 16 16:54

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boingboing.net | Russia announces new plans to use forced prison labor, promises it "won't be a gulag" | Boing Boing

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Jun 16 16:59

activelow

techrights snack: https://www.dw.com/en/south-korea-fails-to-tackle-digital-sex-crimes-hrw-says/a-57916343

Jun 16 16:59

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-South Korea fails to tackle digital sex crimes, HRW says | News | DW | 16.06.2021

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AdmFubar

https://www.linux.com/news/what-is-an-sbom/

Jun 16 17:02

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What is an SBOM? - Linux.com

Jun 16 17:02

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Jun 16 17:07

schestowitz

back from Mother Nature...

Jun 16 17:09

schestowitz

we fed some sheep and calves

Jun 16 17:09

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Jun 16 17:11

MinceR

Jun 16 17:11

techrights-bot/fn

Mister Fox, we told you not to play with fire.... https://i.redd.it/1cc64qkfvm271.jpg

Jun 16 17:12

techrights-bot/fn

Got out tenth screen, will hook it up to assess the usefulness

Jun 16 17:13

schestowitz

activelow: it's an international problem

schestowitz

in SK they even prosecute people for ridiculous things online

schestowitz

like 'harassing' k-pop stars

schestowitz

whose suicide rate is very high

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schestowitz

AdmFubar: they promote anti-GPL forces

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Jun 16 17:16

techrights-bot/fn

Of course #apple will never be prosecuted for wasting #police time; it's too deeply connected to and rooted in the state https://wgntv.com/news/apple-watches-are-mistakenly-calling-911-police-say/

Jun 16 17:17

DaemonFC

I think that MARISOL ordered veal at my wedding.

Jun 16 17:18

schestowitz

hallmark of sociopathy

schestowitz

unless they're so disconnected on what this 'menu item' comes from

MinceR

or they like food that tastes good

schestowitz

most of us are becoming vegetarian or close to

schestowitz

*it

schestowitz

MinceR: it's expenseive

schestowitz

so it's a class symbol

schestowitz

you kill the toddler before it fully matures

MinceR

i never realized i was upper-class

*MinceR puts in the monocle

schestowitz

MinceR: you like goulash

MinceR

i do

schestowitz

though afaik, that's things like cow's neck?

schestowitz

not sure

MinceR

not sure

DaemonFC

Unlikely that she'll just drop dead, but you can always hope.

MinceR

real goulash is definitely made with beef

schestowitz

better not find out

MinceR

and not other meat

schestowitz

it might drive you NUTS

MinceR

unlikely

schestowitz

Googlasch

DaemonFC

Yeah, I did kind of find it disconcerting.

schestowitz

MinceR: re landline and speaker phone

schestowitz

many don't have that feature

schestowitz

ours does not

MinceR

i didn't mean speakerphone

MinceR

i thought i read somewhere about a trick that somehow bypassed the hook switch

schestowitz

and to toggle that on remotely when the handset is down, covertly, is almost impossible

MinceR

but i can't find anything about it now

schestowitz

over a mere phoneline

schestowitz

[17:23] --> ChanServ (services@services.freenode.net) has joined this channel.

schestowitz

[17:23] <-- hook54322 (~hook54321@freenode/user/hook54321) has left this server (OperServ (Session limit exceeded)).

schestowitz

[17:23] *** ChanServ gives channel operator privileges to ChanServ.

schestowitz

totally normal

schestowitz

[11:42] <activelow> netsplit.de reports freenode dropped below top100 https://netsplit.de/networks/history/top10_2021u.png

schestowitz

it will go back up

schestowitz

it probably tracks "old" or "classic"

schestowitz

the real number of online users is likely over 30k

https://epic.org/2021/06/senator-markey-introduces-bill.html

MinceR

16 182529 [freenode2] -!- Current global users: 27904 Max: 28506

Jun 16 17:25

schestowitz

so I was close, and I guess some people will have to reconfig their clients

Jun 16 17:26

schestowitz

as some settings no longer work (I checked many)

Jun 16 17:26

schestowitz

also, matrix bridge, kiwiirc etc.

Jun 16 17:26

XRevan86

freenode should still be the second-largest network.

Jun 16 17:32

XRevan86

but the mess can… err, mess with the stats

Jun 16 17:32

activelow

30k is marginal with any network involved, if this is the total global population of free/open people online with IRC

Jun 16 17:35

XRevan86

activelow: "if this is the total global population of free/open people online with IRC" – it's not

Jun 16 17:37

XRevan86

the biggest network has 37.5K people right now

Jun 16 17:37

XRevan86

and it will grow more

Jun 16 17:37

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Jun 16 17:39

AdmFubar

Jun 16 17:40

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-epic.org | EPIC - Senator Markey Introduces Bill to Ban Face Surveillance

Jun 16 17:40

AdmFubar

https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/samsung-galaxy-devices-exposed-to-vulnerabilities-that-could-have-let-hackers-steal-data-now-fixed-9718421.html

Jun 16 17:42

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Samsung Galaxy devices were exposed to vulnerabilities that could allow hackers to steal data- Technology News, Firstpost

Jun 16 17:42

AdmFubar

https://www.firstpost.com/tech/science/covid-19-virus-moving-faster-than-vaccines-g7-vaccine-pledge-not-enough-who-9718011.html

Jun 16 17:43

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-COVID-19 virus moving faster than vaccines, G7 vaccine pledge not enough: WHO- Technology News, Firstpost

Jun 16 17:43

schestowitz

10 screens now all lit up in this room

Jun 16 17:45

AdmFubar

put some shades and sunscreen on!

https://www.firstpost.com/tech/science/satellite-images-reveal-ice-shelf-protecting-antarctic-glacier-is-on-the-verge-of-collapse-9715271.html

AdmFubar

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Satellite images reveal ice shelf protecting Antarctic glacier is on the verge of collapse- Technology News, Firstpost

techrights-bot/fn

Senator Markey Introduces Bill to Ban Face #Surveillance https://epic.org/2021/06/senator-markey-introduces-bill.html

https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/06/cutefish-new-linux-desktop-environment

techrights-bot/fn

● NEWS ● #CraigMurray ☞ The Decline of Western Power https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/06/the-decline-of-western-power/

Jun 16 17:50

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.craigmurray.org.uk | The Decline of Western Power - Craig Murray

Jun 16 17:50

AdmFubar

Jun 16 17:51

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | CuteFish is a New Linux Desktop Environment (with a Familiar Look) - OMG! Ubuntu!

Jun 16 17:51

schestowitz

thanks, seen that

Jun 16 17:52

AdmFubar

https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/16/3d_paint_vuln/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | We've found another reason not to use Microsoft's Paint 3D – researchers • The Register

techrights-bot/fn

● NEWS ● #Techdirt #surveillance #collusion ☞ Add #Microsoft And Another Congressional Staffer To The List Of Entities Targeted In Trump DOJ Leak Investigations https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210613/10420246982/add-microsoft-another-congressional-staffer-to-list-entities-targeted-trump-doj-leak-investigations.shtml http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Add Microsoft And Another Congressional Staffer To The List Of Entities Targeted In Trump DOJ Leak Investigations | Techdirt

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights

https://www.alternet.org/2021/06/gop-corruption/

AdmFubar

Jun 16 18:02

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The corruption that overwhelmed the GOP has reached a crisis point — and it's killing people - Alternet.org

Jun 16 18:02

techrights-bot/fn

We've found another reason not to use #Microsoft 's Paint 3D – researchers https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/16/3d_paint_vuln/

Jun 16 18:13

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Jun 16 18:14

techrights-bot/fn

The #corruption that overwhelmed the #GOP has reached a crisis point — and it's killing people https://www.alternet.org/2021/06/gop-corruption/

Jun 16 18:14

schestowitz

AdmFubar: thanks, added to Daily Links as well...

Jun 16 18:15

techrights-bot/fn

#EndeavourOS almost makes Arch Linux a viable desktop for the average user • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152349 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | EndeavourOS almost makes Arch Linux a viable desktop for the average user | Tux Machines

techrights-bot/fn

Dash to Panel Extension Now Supports #GNOME40 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152351

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Dash to Panel Extension Now Supports GNOME 40 | Tux Machines

https://abc7chicago.com/10796846/

techrights-bot/fn

#LibreOffice with Colibre Icons Overview • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152350 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

Jun 16 18:20

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice with Colibre Icons Overview | Tux Machines

Jun 16 18:20

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Jun 16 18:22

AdmFubar

schestowitz y/w

Jun 16 18:22

DaemonFC

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abc7chicago.com | Illinois energy bill 2021: Policy overhaul that would bail out nuclear, close coal plants stalls in Senate - ABC7 Chicago

DaemonFC

Communist Edison getting another bailout.

DaemonFC

Bigger than the last one, too!

https://www.treehugger.com/not-your-average-cow-most-exceptional-cattle-breeds-4864093

DaemonFC

$1.3 billion dollars total, while ComEd puts inserts in our electric bill about how the state made our electricity affordable.

Jun 16 18:25

AdmFubar

that was tried in ohio too... all sorts of shit hit the fan there from the fallout.

Jun 16 18:25

DaemonFC

"offering a $4,000 rebate for electric vehicle buyers"

Jun 16 18:32

DaemonFC

Welfare for the rich.

Jun 16 18:32

DaemonFC

Congratulations, you get to pay gas tax to buy some rich asshole a car.

Jun 16 18:33

techrights-bot/fn

● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞# Nintendo Hates You And The Company Most Certainly Does Not Want You To Co-Stream 'Nintendo Direct' https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210615/09581446996/nintendo-hates-you-company-most-certainly-does-not-want-you-to-co-stream-nintendo-direct.shtml

Jun 16 18:35

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nintendo Hates You And The Company Most Certainly Does Not Want You To Co-Stream 'Nintendo Direct' | Techdirt

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Jun 16 18:37

techrights-bot/fn

"Is it possible to view Gemini blogs/gmi files offline without a server ?" Of course, as it is possible with Web (HTML) files. https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006702.html

Jun 16 18:37

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Gemini Digest, Vol 23, Issue 25

Jun 16 18:37

techrights-bot/fn

NFT hype/bubble https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006699.html

Jun 16 18:38

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | A proposal to fund the Gemini project

Jun 16 18:38

schestowitz

Jun 16 18:42

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.treehugger.com | 10 of the Most Exceptional Cattle Breeds

Jun 16 18:42

schestowitz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jub5Z6DMc7U

Jun 16 18:46

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Adorable and Fluffy Highland Calves - Cute Baby Cattles Compilation - YouTube

Jun 16 18:46

AdmFubar

aawww they look a lil bit like a yak

schestowitz

yeah

schestowitz

we saw some today

schestowitz

they're adorable

schestowitz

the young ones

https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2021/06/16/identity-management-security/

techrights-bot/fn

#AMD EPYC 7343 / EPYC 7443 Linux Performance Review • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152352 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

Jun 16 18:51

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD EPYC 7343 / EPYC 7443 Linux Performance Review | Tux Machines

Jun 16 18:51

AdmFubar

Jun 16 18:52

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.helpnetsecurity.com | Identity management is now mostly about security - Help Net Security

Jun 16 18:52

techrights-ipfs-bot

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Jun 16 18:59

MinceR

https://ircz.de/p/21061131

Jun 16 19:06

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5549998)

Jun 16 19:06

AdmFubar

https://www.voanews.com/south-central-asia/indian-government-standoff-twitter-over-online-speech

Jun 16 19:24

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | Indian Government in Standoff with Twitter Over Online Speech | Voice of America - English

Jun 16 19:24

MinceR

(cat) https://ircz.de/p/21051445

Jun 16 19:53

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5457127)

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Jun 16 19:55

AdmFubar

https://boingboing.net/2021/06/16/tomorrow-is-the-75th-anniversary-of-the-first-mobile-phone-call.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=tomorrow-is-the-75th-anniversary-of-the-first-mobile-phone-call

Jun 16 20:18

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boingboing.net | Tomorrow is the 75th anniversary of the first mobile phone call | Boing Boing

Jun 16 20:18

sebsebseb/fn

schestowitz: ping

Jun 16 20:34

MinceR

https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/05/20/6233a8768d7362d5.jpg

Jun 16 20:59

techrights-ipfs-bot

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DaemonFC

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Get%20Woke%2C%20Go%20Broke

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.urbandictionary.com | Urban Dictionary: Get Woke, Go Broke

https://thepostmillennial.com/get-woke-go-broke-disney-revenues-plummet-after-woke-corporate-culture-revealed

DaemonFC

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thepostmillennial.com | GET WOKE, GO BROKE: Disney revenue PLUMMETS after woke corporate culture revealed | The Post Millennial

https://tomluongo.me/2021/04/12/woke-coke-goes-for-broke-destroying-its-brand/

DaemonFC

They're blaming it on "lack of workers" for their parks.

Jun 16 22:01

immibis

could it possibly have anything to do with covid?

Jun 16 22:01

DaemonFC

Doubt it.

Jun 16 22:02

DaemonFC

All of these companies that are paying dearly for appeasing the far left and losers who don't even spend money there are blaming COVID for their sagging profits.

Jun 16 22:03

DaemonFC

Jun 16 22:07

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tomluongo.me | Woke-a-Cola: How to Destroy a World-Leading Brand in 60 Seconds - Gold Goats 'n Guns

Jun 16 22:07

DaemonFC

"Companies like Coke don’t get it. Their management, just like our politicians, live in bubbles too far removed from their customers to have any sense for what they’re feeling."

Jun 16 22:07

DaemonFC

Shaming people for "being white" isn't going to help their sales. Many people didn't notice, but I did, and that was the end of Coke for me whenever I do buy a soda.

Jun 16 22:08

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Jun 16 22:08

MinceR

lol

Jun 16 22:08

AdmFubar

2xlol

Jun 16 22:09

DaemonFC

"It takes a village to raise an idiot." I like that one.

Jun 16 22:10

DaemonFC

I'm such a perfectionist that I've noticed I don't tolerate a car that's half a degree out of alignment.

Jun 16 22:12

DaemonFC

Meanwhile, people around me drive things that have broken suspensions to the point where an entire axle has collapsed and the wheels are pointing out at 45 degree angles from each other.

Jun 16 22:12

DaemonFC

The next bump they hit could be the last.

Jun 16 22:13

MinceR

lol

Jun 16 22:13

MinceR

maybe half a degree out of alignment already has noticeable effects?

Jun 16 22:13

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Jun 16 22:14

DaemonFC

Yeah, I got my front struts replaced last week and then the wheel had to be tilted a bit to the left to make the car go straight. So I called the shop and said, "Hey, I had an alignment right after that tie rod job in April.".

Jun 16 22:14

DaemonFC

He goes, "Yeah." I said, "Don't you guarantee those for 60 days?" He said they did. So their machine was down and I had to drive the car like that for a couple days. But they did a new alignment on it today and didn't charge me.

Jun 16 22:15

DaemonFC

The old struts were worn down the last time they aligned it and so with new struts the car was sitting like an inch or two higher.

Jun 16 22:15

DaemonFC

Jun 16 22:15

DaemonFC

One of the old ones was finally so far gone it was making a popping noise when I drove over bumps.

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cubeman_/fn

bl.sh

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sebsebsebseb

Jun 16 23:11

sebsebsebseb

uhmmm think i registed the wrong seb name on her or did I

Jun 16 23:12

lightbringer/fn

3 sebs

XRevan86

4 sebs

XRevan86

sebsebsebseb: Ye can drop it

MinceR

sebsebseb is registered on freenode

MinceR

oh, i looked at the wrong network

Jun 16 23:14

MinceR

sebsebseb is registered here

Jun 16 23:14

MinceR

sebs 1 through 4 aren't registered on freenode :>

Jun 16 23:15

sebsebsebseb

it should be three seb's here registerd

sebsebsebseb

but looks like may of registered the one with four

sebsebsebseb

and i tried to get into three and no

sebsebsebseb

XRevan86: yes a bit confusing it can be now, with the amount of networks :D

sebsebsebseb

XRevan86: instead of just well Freenode

sebsebsebseb

schestowitz: what you think of the new GB News, seen aything to do with that ?

Jun 16 23:25

techrights-bot/fn

● NEWS ● #Techdirt #FCC ☞ Consumer Groups Get Punchy As Biden Team Lags On Staffing FCC, Restoring #NetNeutrality https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210614/07272846987/consumer-groups-get-punchy-as-biden-team-lags-staffing-fcc-restoring-net-neutrality.shtml

Jun 16 23:31

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Consumer Groups Get Punchy As Biden Team Lags On Staffing FCC, Restoring Net Neutrality | Techdirt

Jun 16 23:31

techrights-bot/fn

#Freenode needs to explain what the hell happened this week and why communities that make up the network weren’t informed or consulted • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/16/techrights-statement-on-irc/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/16/techrights-statement-on-irc/

Jun 16 23:32

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Statement on IRC | Techrights

Jun 16 23:32

XRevan86

Is freenode still about the projects?

Jun 16 23:33

Ariadne

freenode is about shitposting

Jun 16 23:34

kaniini/fn

heh

Jun 16 23:35

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DaemonFC

I almost screwed up my account earlier.

XRevan86

I actually went to look for answering and I think I found them exactly where I expected them to be

https://web.archive.org/web/20210603195553/https://freenode.net/policies https://freenode.net/policies

XRevan86

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | The Policies - freenode

DaemonFC

I was playing around seeing how long my password could be. It turns out the IRC server does support 128 character passwords, but HexChat just lops them off somewhere along the way and you get invalid password when you log in.

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | The Policies - freenode

XRevan86

check this out

DaemonFC

64 characters seems to work.

XRevan86

All the project-oriented policies are pretty much gone.

Ariadne

all of this SBOM compliance stuff is awful btw

Ariadne

re: earlier link

Ariadne

i've looked at anchore and a bunch of other solutions (including the really shit black duck one)

XRevan86

Which aligns well with the actions that we've seen that looked completely disregarding of the projects.

XRevan86

I.e. freenode is a fundamentally different network than Libera and OFTC right now.

Jun 16 23:38

MinceR

"I was attacked by some idiot in the projects"

Jun 16 23:39

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Jun 16 23:39

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Jun 16 23:39

MinceR

"So dumb, so dumb, so dumb, so"

DaemonFC

<MinceR> "I was attacked by some idiot in the projects"

DaemonFC

I too lived in South Chicago.

MinceR

lol

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MinceR

DaemonFC

Did you enjoy Jeffery Sub at least?

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XRevan86

I think that also means that ## is obsolete

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MinceR

seems so

DaemonFC

Firefox's password manager doesn't make you do anything to reveal a password.

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DaemonFC

Chromium browsers all seem to support your Windows PIN or fingerprint before displaying it.

DaemonFC

"Gillette, Nike and Nascar: GO WOKE, GO BROKE!"

Jun 16 23:42

DaemonFC

Nike might make it out of that one.

Jun 16 23:42

DaemonFC

You have to be a special kind of stupid to pay the premium for that.

Jun 16 23:42

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DaemonFC

A $20 pair of shoes at Walmart are junk. A $80 pair of Nikes are equally crap.

DaemonFC

The problem here is that putting a brand on something means you can charge more even at the low end.

DaemonFC

So while your low end product's capabilities are not 4 times better, and your product isn't 4 times as durable, you can charge 4 times more for it.

Jun 16 23:44

DaemonFC

iPod Shuffles routinely sold for more than the price of a Sandisk Sansa, despite the fact that the Shuffle didn't even have a screen so that you could see what you were playing, or support for expandable storage.

Jun 16 23:44

XRevan86

Crystalmath: Does freenode still employ namespaces? Not why it would need them.

Jun 16 23:45

XRevan86

* Not sure why

Jun 16 23:46

DaemonFC

MinceR, Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles explains why MP3 persists with a quick summary of the Turing Test.

Jun 16 23:46

DaemonFC

John tells Cameron in one episode that her behavior is weird (creeping out humans occasionally) and she replies, "I fooled you....".

Jun 16 23:47

DaemonFC

If you think about it, a killer cyborg really only has to be human-like enough to get up close for a few seconds, normally.

MinceR

some humans are weird too

XRevan86

has *any* project stayed on freenode? I'm curious if there's even one

DaemonFC

How much do we really know about anyone we've just met?

MinceR

neovim stayed

MinceR

i think

DaemonFC

Freenode is finished, I guess.

MinceR

and now i can't check because the ircd died _again_

XRevan86

MinceR: Interesting

MinceR

17 004821 [freenode2] -!- Irssi: Unable to connect server irc.freenode.net port 6667 [Connection refused]

MinceR

oh, also, doomsday stayed too, iirc

XRevan86

MinceR: try chat.freenode.net

XRevan86

MinceR: I don't have faith in irc.freenode.net

DaemonFC

They managed to make sure that the FSF and SeaMonkey left by taking over the channel and booting everyone out.

MinceR

irc.freenode.net is an alias for chat.freenode.net.

DaemonFC

People see this and they don't wait around for it to happen to them.

DaemonFC

It sends a message.

techrights-bot/fn

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MinceR

they also managed to make sure bedrock left when the topic said we were unsure about moving, by freenodecom taking over