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| DaemonFC | Let's see if that fixes it. I think sleeping apps was doing this. | Jun 19 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | freenode is FOSS :-) | Jun 19 00:02 |
| schestowitz | F-line | Jun 19 00:02 |
| schestowitz | "THIS IS FINE!" | Jun 19 00:02 |
| XRevan86 | I like how the former staff gave rasengan control over freenode as-is, and he still wiped it. | Jun 19 00:03 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152444 | Jun 19 00:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 19 00:03 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Linux maintainers be like "Reiser4: Not going in without a major corporation backing it!" also Linux maintainers "UMN patches: This is fine!". | Jun 19 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | because you can hold the institution accountable | Jun 19 00:06 |
| schestowitz | and eventually they did | Jun 19 00:06 |
| immibis | linux maintainers were not "this is fine!". They banned them from submitting any more patches | Jun 19 00:06 |
| schestowitz | but they paid a price for it | Jun 19 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | This is scary. Like, honestly, Microsoft might have better code review for what ends up in Windows at this point. | Jun 19 00:06 |
| immibis | microsoft reviews the backdoors are working properly | Jun 19 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | The problem is that with these fucknuts who are reviewing code, they're still there. | Jun 19 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | You want to get broken code approved, just do it from someplace else. | Jun 19 00:06 |
| schestowitz | they did catch this at the end | Jun 19 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | You'll get so much of it in that by the time they realize what you did they'll have to stop and look at it for another month. | Jun 19 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | Is there any guarantee that Microsoft won't slip moles into the University of Wisconsin or something next time? | Jun 19 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | How much of a coup would it be to embarrass Linux like this again? | Jun 19 00:08 |
| activelow | dirty cow wasn't a coincidence either | Jun 19 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is working the problem from both ends. | Jun 19 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | "We're compatible with Linux so you really don't need Linux." and "Linux is full of junk from god knows where. This was even sabotaged on purpose and they didn't notice. Do you want to depend on that?". | Jun 19 00:09 |
| activelow | which is a valid concern. | Jun 19 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | The UMN people didn't actually even put forth a method to provoke the problem that they said their patches would fix. | Jun 19 00:10 |
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| activelow | the problem is more fundemental than an individual incident, which is code size and complexity of a critical component such as kernel (and compiler) and the amount of (mostly unnecessary) contributions | Jun 19 00:12 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: "... and we also pulled in all that junk without reviewing it" | Jun 19 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | One thing Linux maintainers should do is bump the minimum GCC version required to build it. | Jun 19 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | Having to support so many old compilers with bug workarounds is a major problem. | Jun 19 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | I think you can build it with GCC 4.8, which is just stupid old at this point. | Jun 19 00:17 |
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| DaemonFC | And the FSF doesn't even support that. | Jun 19 00:17 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Reglue/status/1405683376737169408 | Jun 19 00:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reglue: @schestowitz Roy, I was admitted to the ICU with severe sepsis and pneumonia and was applauded by the entire staff… https://t.co/NUv6HdxNRc | Jun 19 00:17 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 00:17 |
| schestowitz | Roy, I was admitted to the ICU with severe sepsis and pneumonia and was applauded by the entire staff when I walked out 5 weeks later. I wasn't expected to live. This was in Jan 2020. | Jun 19 00:17 |
| schestowitz | 4 weeks later was informed I had COVID. antibiotics saved my life. | Jun 19 00:17 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 00:17 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/EmiHermes/status/1405555931602116608 | Jun 19 00:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@EmiHermes: Raspberry PI [17/06/2021] Retwitted [17/06/2021] #RaspberryPI #EmiHermesBot https://t.co/ZpBTKVVKfb | Jun 19 00:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "The #RasPad 3 is a neat project that enables you to turn your Raspberry Pi 4 into a full tablet! In this video, I'… https://t.co/2fKbuYCkBo | Jun 19 00:17 | |
| activelow | and the compiler itself has become a major problem (both gcc and clang), last time someone verified an alternative was kernel 2.6 with tinycc | Jun 19 00:18 |
| schestowitz | seems I have just gone 'viral' in birdsite | Jun 19 00:19 |
| schestowitz | because the ant-abortion extremists now hate me | Jun 19 00:20 |
| schestowitz | good | Jun 19 00:20 |
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| DaemonFC | Many Republicans used to support abortion because they knew full well what the alternative was. | Jun 19 00:22 |
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| DaemonFC | Now they say "Most of the people aborted would have been black. Are you a racist?". | Jun 19 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe I'll start replying, "Good, we'll send them all to live with you then.". | Jun 19 00:23 |
| schestowitz | birdsite is so weird in the sense of groupthink and cult | Jun 19 00:23 |
| schestowitz | they find something to get angry about | Jun 19 00:23 |
| schestowitz | and then a groupthink 'mob' gets angry together | Jun 19 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see what the problem is there. Everyone's happy, right? | Jun 19 00:23 |
| schestowitz | in this case against pro-choice people | Jun 19 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | They can have constant street warfare and garbage everywhere and their towns decaying into rubble and bricks. | Jun 19 00:24 |
| schestowitz | I finish work in a bit... gonna get some coffee | Jun 19 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | A generation later, the Democrats take over and raise their taxes and make abortion legal again anyway. | Jun 19 00:24 |
| schestowitz | should make popcarn too, seeing how many replies I receive from very aggressive people | Jun 19 00:25 |
| MinceR | well, those who aren't happy there get shadowbanned | Jun 19 00:25 |
| MinceR | and so the mob is trained, directed | Jun 19 00:25 |
| MinceR | for example to attack bill gates' critics | Jun 19 00:25 |
| schestowitz | buzzword and buzzword :-) : https://www.noobslab.com/2021/06/the-relationship-between-devops-and.html | Jun 19 00:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Relationship Between DevOps and the Cloud [And How to Benefit From It] - NoobsLab | Eye on Digital World | Jun 19 00:27 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I try not to waste a moment on that dumb site | Jun 19 00:28 |
| schestowitz | I just check the replies quickly every 1-2 days | Jun 19 00:28 |
| schestowitz | without ever replying to any | Jun 19 00:28 |
| schestowitz | usually takes 1-2 minutes depending on how many replies | Jun 19 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | mjg59 knows exactly where to live. | Jun 19 00:28 |
| schestowitz | it's a very dumb site with groupthink of the lowest common denominator | Jun 19 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | I love paying $3,500 a month to live in a garage and step in shit every day while I work at Apple, said nobody ever. | Jun 19 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | Richard Stallman advocates banning pay toilets. It's because something like that passed in Chicago that you have to use a non-Free toilet finder app that was started as a joke. | Jun 19 00:30 |
| activelow | it isn't "cloud" but "distributed systems", it isn't "AI" but artificial neural perceptrons | Jun 19 00:30 |
| schestowitz | an adult live is about 50 years | Jun 19 00:30 |
| schestowitz | if you spend 30 years of that doing a horrible unfulfilling job | Jun 19 00:30 |
| schestowitz | then what? | Jun 19 00:30 |
| schestowitz | 20 years too elderly to enjoy the money | Jun 19 00:31 |
| schestowitz | and then you hit the bucket | Jun 19 00:31 |
| activelow | maybe i should have adapted my curriculum vitae to adapt a decade ago, an expert in cloud app ai devop instead of telco engineer to improve upon my job perspective | Jun 19 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, Walmart fired a loss prevention guy for apprehending shoplifters. Unbelievable. | Jun 19 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | It's because of PC people like Garrett that we just have to toss our hands in the air and say "Fine, fuck it. Let 'em take whatever they want. Who cares what the rest of us have to pay to get stuff legally?" | Jun 19 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | mjg59 says on his shitter that Juneteenth has something to do with Emancipation of slaves. | Jun 19 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | Well, if you ignore that botched reconstruction and federal government lies meant another 100 years of indentured servitude and segregation laws under the Democratic Party, then sure. | Jun 19 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | Why not? | Jun 19 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | The rise of the Republican Party as what it is _now_ happened due to the Civil Rights Era. The "Segregation Forever!" Democrats started voting Republican when they realized that supporting a third party candidate was getting them nowhere. | Jun 19 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | The Republicans eventually picked up on that in exchange for several guaranteed states full of electoral votes. | Jun 19 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | Mostly the reason Mississippi is the poorest state in America though is that the Democrats passed a new state constitution as soon as they got control back from the military government, which was designed to keep industry and trade unions out. | Jun 19 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | The Democrats have indeed, historically, and in modern times too, been way worse for black people who try to work and earn an honest living than the Republicans have. | Jun 19 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | The Democrats throw welfare everywhere to get votes, the Republicans cut taxes. | Jun 19 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | The Democrats have no real need or want to live next to black people though. They would prefer that they go and live somewhere else, which is why the government of Chicago is pricing them out of their homes so they'll give up and leave the city. | Jun 19 00:39 |
| activelow | politcs are aligned to international agreements anyway, to protect 30% of earth surface and oceans and such | Jun 19 00:39 |
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| DaemonFC | I sat down and did some rough estimations. Trump's tax law actually saves us about $1,700 over the course of this year vs. what we'd owe the federal government without it. | Jun 19 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | It mostly does that by enhancing our standard deduction and keeping us out of the next bracket, which we would fall into without it. | Jun 19 00:41 |
| activelow | trump had quit the "paris agreement" | Jun 19 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | The Democrats actually bashed a tax law that benefited working class families a lot by trying to pretend it wasn't much money. | Jun 19 00:42 |
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| activelow | it certainly is alot of gallons of fuel in USA | Jun 19 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | There's parts of it that should be repealed, but repealing the parts that affect lower income people is going to be political suicide. | Jun 19 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | In many cases, the new setup protects all or at least most of their income from taxes, which does mean a lot if you're just eeking by. | Jun 19 00:44 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152447 | Jun 19 00:48 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | #SnalLinux 1.5 is out https://sourceforge.net/projects/snallinux/ #gnu #linux distro by #jeremywakeman | Jun 19 00:49 |
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| activelow | next elections in germany are scheduled autumn this year | Jun 19 00:50 |
| activelow | national parliament and chancellor | Jun 19 00:50 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Berlin-in-Winter | Jun 19 00:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Berlin in Winter | Jun 19 00:51 | |
| activelow | i'll attack "alliance90/greens" and any affiliate (foreign agents, and any atlantik brück related) on every occasion, not because these supposedly took action to "save the planet" and "the humanity" | Jun 19 00:52 |
| activelow | i'll debunk this | Jun 19 00:53 |
| MinceR | "nie mehr CDU" | Jun 19 00:54 |
| activelow | this isn't party politics anyway, all relevant actors are associates of the "atlantik brück" anyway, regardless of their political color | Jun 19 00:54 |
| activelow | it isn't demcoratic elections either | Jun 19 00:55 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #WindRiver Linux updates with Linux LTS 5.10 and a prebuilt binary • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152448 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 19 00:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wind River Linux updates with Linux LTS 5.10 and a prebuilt binary | Tux Machines | Jun 19 00:55 | |
| activelow | they argue on the basis 1.5°C "paris agreement", i'll spread the wisdom temperature anomalies surpassed 10°C already in germany | Jun 19 00:56 |
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| activelow | they intend to raise "carbon tax" cash grabbing, i'll remind them methane concentration increased 300% already in the atmosphere | Jun 19 00:57 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Ben Cotton seems to be leading a community of just himself, #ibm staff, some interns, and barely any more volunteers (because #redhat isn't the same as IBM Red Hat) https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2021-24/ | Jun 19 00:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Friday's Fedora Facts: 2021-24 – Fedora Community Blog | Jun 19 00:58 | |
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| activelow | those who had remained competitive with a low energy footprint had been excluded from international competition and their business ruined by the "energy revolution" subsidies scam | Jun 19 01:00 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #mozilla : let's use #proprietarySoftware for collab. #deletegithub (and now Zoom, Discord...) http://smallcultfollowing.com/babysteps/blog/2021/06/18/ctcft-social-hour/ | Jun 19 01:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-smallcultfollowing.com | CTCFT Social Hour | Jun 19 01:00 | |
| activelow | big corporations are excempt from "eco tax" in germany, those can afford the high energy costs; they are not accounted for at all with the "renewable" market share | Jun 19 01:04 |
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| activelow | "industrial electricity grid" is NOT included with the "renewable" accounting, all data published is falsified, the Merkel method 2+2=5. | Jun 19 01:07 |
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| activelow | the renewable subsidies scam accounts for with ~1.5billion (US trillion) cash since 1998, effective "renewable" market share is close to below ~1% or less while 50% are advertised, most of it useless volatility dumped into the grid. the most excessive subsidies scam in German economic history. | Jun 19 01:11 |
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| DaemonFC | Hey, you can pull the plug on Matthew Garrett's electricity if you want. He believes in this nonsense I'm sure. | Jun 19 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | It takes CO2 to complain on Shitter, I guess, right? | Jun 19 01:14 |
| MinceR | he keeps wasting our precious air on outragism | Jun 19 01:14 |
| MinceR | and he uses free software to attack free software | Jun 19 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | The latest alarmism is Lake Mead going dry. | Jun 19 01:18 |
| immibis | activelow just seems like an anti-government troll | Jun 19 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that more people are using it than ever as a water source, and wasting it on top of that with impossibly cheap car washes and grass in the desert. | Jun 19 01:19 |
| immibis | whatever the government does, it's wrong, if you're activelow | Jun 19 01:19 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: surely using it as a water source makes it *worse* if it goes dry, right? | Jun 19 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | If the region agreed to raise the cost of a car wash by $15 with a water wasting tax, that would make a dent I'm sure. | Jun 19 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | How often do you need to wash your car, really, at a car wash, when there's never any winter salt on the road? | Jun 19 01:20 |
| immibis | <DaemonFC> It's because of PC people like Garrett that we just have to toss our hands in the air and say "Fine, fuck it. Let 'em take whatever they want. Who cares what the rest of us have to pay to get stuff legally?" | Jun 19 01:20 |
| immibis | why are you worried about defending a megacorp from petty thieves, when the megacorp doesn't want to defend itself? | Jun 19 01:20 |
| immibis | Defending Walmart from thieves is not your problem | Jun 19 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | Because Walmart turns it around and steals from its employees to cover the theft. | Jun 19 01:21 |
| immibis | they're allowed to choose not to apprehend thieves, if they don't want to | Jun 19 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | They take it out of bonuses that their employees get, and if that runs dry they start cutting payroll hours. | Jun 19 01:21 |
| immibis | they shouldn't be allowed to steal from employees, but I suspect Republicans worked hard to make it legal | Jun 19 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | It's not the fault of the employees that Walmart doesn't want to look bad apprehending a black guy making off with a TV set. | Jun 19 01:21 |
| immibis | Walmart choosing not to apprehend thieves, because it's more profitable to steal from workers instead, has *absolutely nothing* to do with PC culture | Jun 19 01:22 |
| immibis | and if you think it does then you're a sheeple | Jun 19 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | Mom asked why our Walmart is so expensive. | Jun 19 01:22 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Microsoft cannot maintain Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152391#comment-29986 | Jun 19 01:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft loves Linux so much that packages.microsoft.com has fallen and can't get up | Tux Machines | Jun 19 01:23 | |
| DaemonFC | I said "A typical store in Indiana loses about half as much to theft for a given amount in sales because white people don't steal as much.". | Jun 19 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | "When you lose another $1.5 million to theft because there's a bunch of black people stealing things that everyone is afraid to stop due to optics, but you have to hire cops to stand at the door anyway just in case it averts any of the theft, there's a price for that.". | Jun 19 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | The truth is that many Walmarts will likely never go 24 hour again. They lose the most to theft at night, especially in urban areas, and the sales generated don't justify keeping the store open during many of those hours anyway. | Jun 19 01:25 |
| DaemonFC | So opening at 8 AM and closing at 11 PM is probably here to stay now that they realize the savings in both payroll and shrink. | Jun 19 01:25 |
| DaemonFC | Even though they teach employees that "customers are never in the way", the truth is they are. So even if they aren't stealing from you, and you're happy to have cashiers for not many customers, they interfere with stocking and cleaning operations and make that less efficient too. | Jun 19 01:26 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "It's time once again for The Weekender. This is our bi-weekly departure into the world of amateur radio contests, open source conventions, special events, listener challenges, hedonism and just plain fun." https://lhspodcast.info/2021/06/lhs-episode-416-the-weekender-lxxiii-2/ | Jun 19 01:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lhspodcast.info | LHS Episode #416: The Weekender LXXIII | Linux in the Ham Shack | Jun 19 01:26 | |
| DaemonFC | The whole concept of customer service has been almost entirely gutted. | Jun 19 01:28 |
| immibis | as if their zillions of dollars in profit couldn't cover those theft costs. No, the prices are set as high as they can be before you'll go somewhere else | Jun 19 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz noticed the same think happening in the UK. | Jun 19 01:28 |
| immibis | maximize revenue, minimize costs, theft is a cost but so is theft prevention. This is killing society | Jun 19 01:28 |
| immibis | capitalism, that is | Jun 19 01:28 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Linux Mint 20.2 beta ISOs are now ready for download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152391#comment-29987 | Jun 19 01:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft loves Linux so much that packages.microsoft.com has fallen and can't get up | Tux Machines | Jun 19 01:28 | |
| DaemonFC | Theft is a cost and the people running off with a TV deserve to be shot in the back. | Jun 19 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | It discourages the others. | Jun 19 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | That's my position and I don't think I'm wrong. | Jun 19 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | If we bring back frontier justice, a lot of this crime problem simply goes away. | Jun 19 01:29 |
| immibis | capitalism says it may be cheaper to let them run off, than to shoot htem | Jun 19 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | The reason so much crime happens is because they know they're likely to either get away with it or not be punished too much. | Jun 19 01:30 |
| immibis | oh jeez, you want justice to be a free-for-all battle royale | Jun 19 01:30 |
| MinceR | you could just order your TV from someone who isn't running a physical store in a place like that, problem solved :> | Jun 19 01:30 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Canonical announces end of life date for Ubuntu 20.10 Groovy Gorilla http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152409#comment-29988 | Jun 19 01:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 20.10 (Groovy Gorilla) Will Reach End Of Life on July 22nd, 2021 | Tux Machines | Jun 19 01:30 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Oh good. Amazon. | Jun 19 01:30 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: what if I see you shoot them, but I don't see them take the TV, so I shoot you in the back for being a murderer? | Jun 19 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | One of the shittiest places to work for. | Jun 19 01:30 |
| MinceR | there are many webshops over here | Jun 19 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | Most of their employees last a matter of months. | Jun 19 01:30 |
| MinceR | did amazon kill them all in the usa? | Jun 19 01:30 |
| immibis | "frontier justice" is for the frontier, the edge of civilization. We don't live in the edge of civilization, we have proper civilization here | Jun 19 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | Eh, I guess there's B&H Photo. | Jun 19 01:31 |
| MinceR | we wish we had civilization | Jun 19 01:31 |
| MinceR | at least it could have an edge then :> | Jun 19 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | There's no civilization here. | Jun 19 01:31 |
| immibis | every developed country except america manages to have civilization | Jun 19 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | Just crime and rot and taxes and people who are too fucking stupid to remember how anything works. | Jun 19 01:31 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Manjaro 21.0.7 is out. https://manjaro.org/ #gnu #libux | Jun 19 01:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-manjaro.org | Manjaro - enjoy the simplicity | Jun 19 01:32 | |
| DaemonFC | Temp agencies are begging people to go work at a warehouse for $23 an hour. | Jun 19 01:32 |
| immibis | have you ever been outside the USA or the UK? | Jun 19 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | Why would you do it? | Jun 19 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | If you're Kayak Man, the government already pays you $36,000 a year, free healthcare, no taxes, to do whatever you want. | Jun 19 01:33 |
| immibis | because they stop paying you that after coronavirus? | Jun 19 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | He's going to run this into the ground, like most of them will. | Jun 19 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | Then the Democrats will come back in September and extend the gravy train another 6 months, so most of them will just keep on trucking. | Jun 19 01:33 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #LinuxPlumbersConference : Tracing Microconference Accepted into 2021 Linux Plumbers Conference https://www.linuxplumbersconf.org/blog/2021/index.php/2021/06/18/tracing-microconference-accepted-into-2021-linux-plumbers-conference/ #linux #kernel | Jun 19 01:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxplumbersconf.org | Tracing Microconference Accepted into 2021 Linux Plumbers Conference – Linux Plumbers Conference 2021 | Jun 19 01:33 | |
| phobos/fn | Only for blue states | Jun 19 01:33 |
| phobos/fn | nearly all red states ends tomorrow | Jun 19 01:34 |
| phobos/fn | by order of governors | Jun 19 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | That's actually pretty funny, honestly. | Jun 19 01:34 |
| techrights-bot/fn | PUPPI is a tinyML device designed to interpret your dog’s mood via sound analysis | Arduino Blog ⚓ https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/18/puppi-is-a-tinyml-device-designed-to-interpret-your-dogs-mood-through-sound-analysis/ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/19/#latest | Jun 19 01:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | PUPPI is a tinyML device designed to interpret your dog's mood via sound analysis | Arduino Blog | Jun 19 01:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 19 01:34 | |
| DaemonFC | Red states refusing to continue it only puts more pressure on Democrats to extend it. | Jun 19 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | If it can't possibly benefit their political enemies all that much, but they can send them back to work and make them pay taxes for it..... | Jun 19 01:34 |
| phobos/fn | https://www.cbsnews.com/news/unemployment-benefits-states-end-federal-aid/ | Jun 19 01:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cbsnews.com | Half of states are ending increased unemployment benefits as governors say businesses need workers - CBS News | Jun 19 01:35 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #RADV Open-Source #Radeon #Vulkan Driver Begins Landing Ray-Tracing Changes - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=RADV-RT-Starts-Landing ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | Jun 19 01:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-RADV Open-Source Radeon Vulkan Driver Begins Landing Ray-Tracing Changes - Phoronix | Jun 19 01:35 | |
| phobos/fn | No argument here about the pressure | Jun 19 01:35 |
| phobos/fn | but they'd need to find a way to override the governor orders and force the states department of labor to distribute the cash again | Jun 19 01:35 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Outsourcing to #google is not real security https://linuxhint.com/linux-two-factor-authentication/ | Jun 19 01:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxhint.com | Linux Two-factor Authentication – Linux Hint | Jun 19 01:35 | |
| DaemonFC | The Democrats will see it as a way to smack the federal government for cash that red states have to pay for, and it absolved them of the problem of creating jobs, and the loss of tax revenue from people bolting. | Jun 19 01:36 |
| phobos/fn | Outsourcing to google is like telling the thief to come right in and take whatever they want | Jun 19 01:36 |
| phobos/fn | July 1st is going to be a real mess | Jun 19 01:36 |
| phobos/fn | the evictions start up again | Jun 19 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | GOOD! FUCK EM! | Jun 19 01:36 |
| phobos/fn | for the most part, I agree | Jun 19 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | I've been paying my rent, which IS going up in September because of these fucks. | Jun 19 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | Err, November. Going up in November. | Jun 19 01:37 |
| phobos/fn | but the ones I feel bad for are the ones that didn't qualify for unemployment, lost their job through no fault of their own, and have no where to go and no money because of the lock down orders | Jun 19 01:37 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "Most of my users use the Webmail I have configured on our institute’s servers, Roundcube, for which I have the highest appreciation. Only that… Of course, when a user yields their username and password to an attacker, it is very successful at… Sending huge amounts of unrequested mail, leading to my server losing its reputation" https://gwolf.org/2021/06/fighting-spam-on-roundcu <clipped message> | Jun 19 01:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gwolf.org | Gunnar Wolf | Jun 19 01:37 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | be-with-modsecurity.html | Jun 19 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | But, yeah, it's going up and some of that is the landlord having to let people continue living here while he can't get the sheriff to come out and toss them. | Jun 19 01:37 |
| phobos/fn | maybe negotiate with your landlord? many are offering deals to get paying tenants in | Jun 19 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | Oh, most of them have plenty of money from the unemployment thing. | Jun 19 01:38 |
| phobos/fn | I'm not saying all don't have money | Jun 19 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | THey plan to squander it all and then file bankruptcy and tie the landlord up for a few more months and prevent him from calling it an eviction. | Jun 19 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | It's what I would do. | Jun 19 01:38 |
| phobos/fn | just that I feel bad for the people that never got it and lost their jobs due to the lock down | Jun 19 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | You won't get a good reference, but that you can survive. | Jun 19 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | You won't survive having "EVICTION" on your credit. | Jun 19 01:39 |
| phobos/fn | the people that got the money and chose not to pay their rent... they deserve to be on the street | Jun 19 01:39 |
| phobos/fn | let them learn a few lessons | Jun 19 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | If the landlord was smart, then as soon as the eviction moratorium was up, he'd force the ones that obviously have money into involuntary bankruptcy. | Jun 19 01:39 |
| schestowitz | phobos I know the feeling, seen that | Jun 19 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | He'd have to hire a lawyer and petition the court to put them into bankruptcy, but it would put a stop to their plan to squander assets and drag their feet. | Jun 19 01:40 |
| phobos/fn | do it! | Jun 19 01:40 |
| phobos/fn | Sick and tired of seeing people with the government checks out blowing it on junk they don't need and not paying their bills... | Jun 19 01:40 |
| phobos/fn | and most of them could be at work anyway | Jun 19 01:41 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4pbfT5pupc | Jun 19 01:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Palpatine - "Do it" full scene - YouTube | Jun 19 01:41 | |
| DaemonFC | He probably wouldn't get all of his money, but it would slam a freeze on everything that they do have in the bank and let the court figure out how much he can have from the bankruptcy estate. | Jun 19 01:41 |
| phobos/fn | hell, some employers are offering money just to show up for an interview | Jun 19 01:41 |
| phobos/fn | and others are starting to offer full benefits including pensions again just to get people in | Jun 19 01:41 |
| activelow | really? | Jun 19 01:41 |
| schestowitz | maybe travel expenses | Jun 19 01:41 |
| schestowitz | never saw them pay at most for travel | Jun 19 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, you can get $50 to show up and blow an interview at McDonalds. | Jun 19 01:41 |
| phobos/fn | not just there | Jun 19 01:41 |
| phobos/fn | seen it at some mom and pop stores, target over this way | Jun 19 01:42 |
| phobos/fn | some big name places are hurting so much for help that they are giving out the $15 an hour | Jun 19 01:42 |
| schestowitz | how did we come to this topic anyway? | Jun 19 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | McDonalds here pays $50 just to take an interview and then $500 if you get the job and stay for at least 90 days. | Jun 19 01:42 |
| phobos/fn | beats me... just saw it go on and offered my opinion | Jun 19 01:42 |
| phobos/fn | and what I've seen going on | Jun 19 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | It's getting so bad that the employers of last resort are doing hiring bonuses. | Jun 19 01:42 |
| phobos/fn | good | Jun 19 01:43 |
| phobos/fn | maybe employers will learn not to take everyone for granted | Jun 19 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | We've obviously gotten everything from the Democratic Trifecta that I voted for. | Jun 19 01:43 |
| phobos/fn | and that not everyone is slave labor just to be tossed out when the employer feels they've outlived their usefulness | Jun 19 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | As far as I'm concerned I might vote for the Republicans or something for Governor next time. | Jun 19 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I mean a $15 minimum wage and the end of being in cahoots with ICE, and such. | Jun 19 01:44 |
| phobos/fn | Next time around, I've voting Republican on the federal level, but only for new comers, not the do nothings currently in office, and libertarian on the state and local levels | Jun 19 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | Time to swap them out and get some gridlock to force budget cuts. | Jun 19 01:44 |
| phobos/fn | quick question; maybe we could take this to -offtopic ? since schestowitz has requested we do that for this type of conversation more than once | Jun 19 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. | Jun 19 01:45 |
| schestowitz | some people can take it out of context later | Jun 19 01:49 |
| schestowitz | I am planning to write some articles tonight | Jun 19 01:50 |
| schestowitz | a bit of politics is OK if that relates to tech | Jun 19 01:50 |
| phobos/fn | I'm not sure how the current unemployment and coming evictions relates to tech beyond possibly some developers not being online for a while | Jun 19 01:50 |
| phobos/fn | assuming they were one of those that took the money and didn't pay any bills | Jun 19 01:51 |
| schestowitz | the surveillance can predictive evictions etc. | Jun 19 01:51 |
| schestowitz | that's another topic though | Jun 19 01:51 |
| schestowitz | we need good s/n ratio | Jun 19 01:52 |
| schestowitz | for logs, lurkers | Jun 19 01:52 |
| schestowitz | I am getting ideas from IRC and we discuss topics related to tech | Jun 19 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | The tech issue of unemployment is how the Illinois Department of Employment Security, or the Ministry of Plenty, is in such bad shape, that it's allowed 100,000 fraudsters to file false claims. | Jun 19 01:52 |
| schestowitz | when it becomes something about race and bigoted statements the channel has no value to the site | Jun 19 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | Then it impounds the real person's tax return and make them prove they didn't get the unemployment money all year. | Jun 19 01:53 |
| schestowitz | there were the same issues on papetr | Jun 19 01:53 |
| schestowitz | the tech side is just digitisation mostly | Jun 19 01:53 |
| DaemonFC | Except on paper you had to show up and prove you're you, using documentation that the government would only give to you, with your picture on it. | Jun 19 01:53 |
| schestowitz | also, benefit fraud (at least in the UK) is a drop in the ocean compared to tax evasion by the rich | Jun 19 01:54 |
| schestowitz | anyway, bbiab | Jun 19 01:54 |
| techrights-bot/fn | How To Host Counter-Strike: Global Offensive Server on #Ubuntu https://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/how-to-host-counter-strike-global-offensive-server #games #gnu #linux | Jun 19 01:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxandubuntu.com | How To Host Counter-Strike: Global Offensive Server on Ubuntu | Jun 19 01:55 | |
| phobos/fn | They are still trying to learn the extent of the unemployment fraud in CA | Jun 19 01:56 |
| techrights-bot/fn | " #GPULab is a turnkey JupyterLab Notebook environment atop a feature-packed #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux operating system." https://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/california-technology-company-launches-fixed-price-unlimited-gpu-rental-platform-for-deep-and-machine-learning-projects | Jun 19 01:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitaljournal.com | California Technology Company Launches Fixed-Price Unlimited GPU Rental Platform For Deep and Machine Learning Projects - Digital Journal | Jun 19 01:56 | |
| phobos/fn | if you've covered that | Jun 19 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe make them take a picture of a current valid photo ID....... | Jun 19 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, it would stop some of that, I'm sure. | Jun 19 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | Or give you the last four of the bank account number their last tax return went into. | Jun 19 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | There's so much fraud out there that getting anything done is getting hard. | Jun 19 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | I thought it was a miracle when we got in and out of the DMV in under an hour and they didn't screw anything up once this latest time. | Jun 19 01:59 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▆▆▅▃▆▃▄▅▇▅▆▅▆▅▆▇▇▇▄▆▅▇▆▅▆▃▆▂▃▆▄▄▁ avg(k/sec) 33.25 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▂▁▂█▃▁▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▃▂▂▂▂▂▂▃▃▂▂▂▂▂▂█▁▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 26.25▕ swarm size (avg): 284.71 ⟲ | Jun 19 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | That's another excellent reason to stay and deal with a rent increase even if there's other options. | Jun 19 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | Moving means filing an AR-11, an I-865, and going to the DMV. | Jun 19 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | The AR-11 tells USCIS where an immigrant lives, an I-865 tells them where an immigrant's sponsor lives, and then everyone knows what the DMV is. | Jun 19 02:00 |
| phobos/fn | If that DMV was in CA, they likely registered you to vote as a democrat | Jun 19 02:01 |
| phobos/fn | like they've been caught doing to illegals when they got a drivers license | Jun 19 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | If you try to move without telling USCIS where you are, it's a federal crime. | Jun 19 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | Worse, if they can show that you tried to hide to avoid being sued over the immigrant taking public benefits, they claw them back and then hit you with a $10,000 fine on top of it. | Jun 19 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | Illinois has automatic voter registration, and at first they accidentally did register some immigrants, which creates problems with USCIS. | Jun 19 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | USCIS checks to see if you're on the voter rolls and it does not look good if you are, even if it was the state's fault. | Jun 19 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | Obviously I can vote in whatever election I decide to where I live, but it's considered unforgiveable for a green card holder. They'll revoke it and send you packing. | Jun 19 02:03 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #DaftPunk Most Popular Artist to Code to https://smallbiztrends.com/2021/06/popular-songs-coding.html | Jun 19 02:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-smallbiztrends.com | These are the Most Popular Songs to Code To - Small Business Trends | Jun 19 02:03 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | This #proprietarySoftware would only add holes to your system. I think nobody should accept such a 'solution' with that level of system access. https://www.neowin.net/news/anydesk-632/ | Jun 19 02:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.neowin.net | AnyDesk 6.3.2 - Neowin | Jun 19 02:05 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Racism and #Inequality may be connected, but not the same thing and it's wrong to conflate them. Sometimes the rich people use racism to distract from the inequality. Tribalism to distract from class. https://www.complex.com/life/vancouver-anti-racism-coalition-interview | Jun 19 02:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Anti-Racism Coalition of Vancouver Fights Canadian Inequity | Complex CA | Jun 19 02:07 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | This article is based on #microsoft proxies like #blackduck and Microsoft #proprietarySoftware like #github ... this is the sort of farcical 'journalism' that makes me cynical. https://venturebeat.com/2021/06/18/what-is-open-source/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Black_Duck | Jun 19 02:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What is open source? | VentureBeat | Jun 19 02:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Black Duck - Techrights | Jun 19 02:09 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | GPUs and Graphics on Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152449 | Jun 19 02:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GPUs and Graphics on Linux | Tux Machines | Jun 19 02:13 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #geminiProtocol is simple and easy. Ongoing debate about whether to put compression in it (like gzip in www) https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006716.html https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006718.html | Jun 19 02:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | a space case for transparent gemtext compression | Jun 19 02:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | a space case for transparent gemtext compression | Jun 19 02:20 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | " #Lagrange already supports opening Zips and browsing gemtext from it. So... there you go. There's your compression." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006724.html | Jun 19 02:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | a space case for transparent gemtext compression | Jun 19 02:20 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #ibm is chasing ghosts https://www.forbes.com/sites/moorinsights/2021/06/15/ibm-and-fraunhofer-announce-german-quantum-computing-partnership/ | Jun 19 02:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | IBM And Fraunhofer Announce German Quantum Computing Partnership | Jun 19 02:21 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #reputationLaundering for corporations, trying to hijack race issues to paint evil companies with #sweatshops and #proprietarySoftware like they're some kind of charities. https://www.fastcompany.com/90646834/only-4-8-of-designers-are-black-herman-miller-adobe-and-gap-unveil-a-plan-to-change-that | Jun 19 02:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fastcompany.com | 4.8% of designers are Black. Herman Miller, Adobe, Gap to change that | Jun 19 02:23 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Red Hat’s migration toolkit for virtualization helps move VMs into software #containers https://siliconangle.com/2021/06/15/red-hats-migration-toolkit-virtualization-helps-move-vms-software-containers/ | Jun 19 02:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Red Hat's migration toolkit for virtualization helps move VMs into software containers - SiliconANGLE | Jun 19 02:24 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | More acronyms and buzzwords, basically describing what processors have done for more than half a century :-) https://blocksandfiles.com/2021/06/15/intel-im-already-the-biggest-dpu-shipper/ how about the ludicrous "HEY HI" hardware? | Jun 19 02:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blocksandfiles.com | Intel: I’m already the biggest DPU shipper – Blocks and Files | Jun 19 02:26 | |
| *psydroid has quit (connection closed) | Jun 19 02:26 | |
| XRevan86 | https://organicmaps.app/ finally | Jun 19 02:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-organicmaps.app | Organic Maps | Fast detailed offline maps for travelers, tourists, hikers and cyclists | Jun 19 02:26 | |
| XRevan86 | maps.me has been forked | Jun 19 02:27 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "From its beginning in 2008, Samvera (originally called Hydra) set out to build a community to support and sustain its software, which is free and open source" https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/543814073/samvera-advances-community-sourced-repository-solutions-as-oasis-foundation-as-a-service-partner | Jun 19 02:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.einnews.com | Samvera Advances Community-Sourced Repository Solutions as OASIS Foundation-as-a-Service Partner - EIN Presswire | Jun 19 02:28 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Intel is now trying to 'innovate' in buzzwords and marketing, basically doing a slant on CPUs along the lines of "big data" or "Hey Hi" https://itwire.com/business-it/intel-introduces-its-infrastructure-processing-unit-for-better-data-centre-efficiency.html Intel is in trouble: http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks | Jun 19 02:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Intel introduces its Infrastructure Processing Unit for better data centre efficiency | Jun 19 02:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights | Jun 19 02:29 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | "I’m returning my book to the library this week, 467 days after I borrowed it. And there is no fine." https://www.expressnews.com/opinion/commentary/article/Commentary-In-praise-of-the-fine-free-library-16247309.php | Jun 19 02:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.expressnews.com | Commentary: In praise of the fine-free library book | Jun 19 02:30 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | About time for them to port this to #gnu #linux ... as WINE isn't the way to go. https://www.neowin.net/news/notepad-81/ | Jun 19 02:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.neowin.net | Notepad++ 8.1 - Neowin | Jun 19 02:31 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | "Fortunately, that's because the system in question was Marvin Minsky's 1967 implementation of a Universal Turing Machine, which, despite its momentous theoretical importance for the field of computer science, had never actually been built into a real-world computer." https://www.csoonline.com/article/3620948/10-old-software-bugs-that-took-way-too-long-to-squash.html | Jun 19 02:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.csoonline.com | 10 old software bugs that took way too long to squash | CSO Online | Jun 19 02:32 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | "We spoke to William Morgan, CEO of Buoyant and co-creator of Linkerd, to find out more about service mesh and why the shift is happening." https://betanews.com/2021/06/17/service-mesh-moving-istio-linkerd-qa/ | Jun 19 02:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Why service mesh adopters are moving from Istio to Linkerd [Q&A] | Jun 19 02:35 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Microsoft 'engineering' skills http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152391#comment-29990 #proprietarySoftware so nothing lost. Keep it offline for good... we'll be better off this way. | Jun 19 02:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft loves Linux so much that packages.microsoft.com has fallen and can't get up | Tux Machines | Jun 19 02:36 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | *** 𝐈 𝐑 𝐂 𝐋 𝐈 𝐍 𝐊 𝐒 *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-180621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-180621.txt Read the log now... | Jun 19 02:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: Friday, June 18, 2021 | Jun 19 02:37 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | From #proprietarySoftware #clownComputing ... one malicious trap to the other. https://searchvmware.techtarget.com/tip/How-to-migrate-VMware-VMs-to-AWS-with-ease | Jun 19 02:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searchvmware.techtarget.com | How to migrate VMware VMs to AWS with ease | Jun 19 02:37 | |
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| techrights-bot/fn | Why You Should Not Use #Telnet for Remote Connections ⚓ https://www.makeuseof.com/why-you-should-not-use-telnet/ ䷉ #makeuseof | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/19/#latest | Jun 19 02:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com | Why You Should Not Use Telnet for Remote Connections | Jun 19 02:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 19 02:38 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Friday, June 18, 2021 | Jun 19 02:40 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #freesw teams should DELETE #slack .. it's likely illegal to be using it anyway in #europe https://venturebeat.com/2021/06/18/cutting-slack-when-open-source-and-team-chat-tools-collide/ see http://techrights.org/2019/07/20/slack-is-dead/ | Jun 19 02:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cutting Slack: When open source and team chat tools collide | VentureBeat | Jun 19 02:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Slack Committed a Very Major Crime That Can Cost Many Billions If Not Trillions in Damages for Years to Come | Techrights | Jun 19 02:40 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | *** 𝐁𝐔𝐋𝐋𝐄𝐓𝐈𝐍 *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-06-18.txt | Jun 19 02:41 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Intel is rapidly becoming just a #vapourware and #buzzwords company | Jun 19 02:41 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #ibm and #google (or GIAFAM) centralisation is not security but the very opposite of it. They want to restrict what people can run, based on what Pentagon-connected companies say https://www.wired.com/story/sigstore-open-source-supply-chain-code-signing/ see http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/fake-security-brought-by-lf/ | Jun 19 02:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A New Tool Wants to Save Open Source From Supply Chain Attacks | WIRED | Jun 19 02:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Fake Security From Linux Foundation and the Monopolies It’s Fronting for | Techrights | Jun 19 02:45 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152450 | Jun 19 02:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jun 19 02:45 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | "And as mjg59 teaches us, when fact bothers you, ban everyone who talks about it with a CoC." http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-180621.html#tJun%2018%2002:20:39 | Jun 19 02:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Friday, June 18, 2021 | Jun 19 02:47 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Run git command, check the help that comes with #git and you can usually figure out to do, even without any GUIs. Some people are lazy and embrace #proprietarySoftware like #github which they then CONFLATE with Git https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnAy6aIbIWo | Jun 19 02:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-【Oh My Git!】I'm Bad With Git Let's Relearn It - YouTube | Jun 19 02:57 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | "DBD::SQLite 1.67_07 (with SQLite 3.36.0) is a release candidate for the next stable DBD::SQLite. This release has a notable change to improve how to deal with Unicode/Latin-1 characters, contributed by Felipe Gasper." http://blogs.perl.org/users/kenichi_ishigaki/2021/06/next-stable-dbdsqlite-will-be-released-around-the-end-of-july.html | Jun 19 02:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Next stable DBD::SQLite will be released around the end of July | Kenichi Ishigaki [blogs.perl.org] | Jun 19 02:58 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | It is NOT a standard. The 'industry standard' is likely the #gnu program. https://linuxnightly.com/how-to-use-zstandard-compression-on-linux-with-commands/ | Jun 19 02:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxnightly.com | How to Use Zstandard Compression on Linux (With Commands) - Linux Nightly | Jun 19 02:59 | |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▆▆▇▄▅▃▅▇▁▂▆▂▆▅▇▅▅▁▂▅▄▆▂▄▇▃▄▅▄▅▅▆▅▁ avg(k/sec) 27.65 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▁▂▂▁▂▂▂▁█▂█▂▂▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▃▁▂▂▁▁▂▂▂▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 30.10▕ swarm size (avg): 285.35 ⟲ | Jun 19 02:59 |
| XRevan86 | So OsmAnd has competition once again. | Jun 19 03:00 |
| schestowitz | what is that? | Jun 19 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.wisebread.com/bottled-water-bottled-hype-part-1 | Jun 19 03:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wisebread.com | Bottled Water, Bottled Hype Part 1 | Jun 19 03:00 | |
| XRevan86 | (01:26:58) XRevan86: https://organicmaps.app/ finally | Jun 19 03:00 |
| XRevan86 | (01:27:11) XRevan86: maps.me has been forked | Jun 19 03:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-organicmaps.app | Organic Maps | Fast detailed offline maps for travelers, tourists, hikers and cyclists | Jun 19 03:00 | |
| DaemonFC | Water is one of the few things that Waukegan hasn't managed to totally fuck up. | Jun 19 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | It was so bad in Fox Lake that if you left tap water out all night, it turned orange/brown. | Jun 19 03:01 |
| MinceR | ooh, color-changing tap water | Jun 19 03:03 |
| MinceR | such luxury | Jun 19 03:03 |
| XRevan86 | https://dm.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/nxfxx1 the closest thing to an announce I could find | Jun 19 03:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dm.reddit.com | Organic Maps - New promising alternative to Google Maps is now in beta for Android and iOS : privacytoolsIO | Jun 19 03:03 | |
| XRevan86 | (that isn't in Russian) | Jun 19 03:04 |
| techrights-bot/fn | A white-knuckle ride of open #COVID19 drug discovery ⚓ https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01571-1 ䷉ #nature | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/19/#latest | Jun 19 03:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nature.com | A white-knuckle ride of open COVID drug discovery | Jun 19 03:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 19 03:04 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: interesting | Jun 19 03:05 |
| schestowitz | also curious nobody in "the media" covered it | Jun 19 03:05 |
| schestowitz | OSM is a big f-ing deal | Jun 19 03:06 |
| schestowitz | and yet they don't pay the media for puff pieces | Jun 19 03:06 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ☞ Gemini requests since start of month: 121787 total • Total pages: 35896 • Active: active (running) since Tue 2021-06-08 16:18:39 BST; 1 weeks 3 days ago | Jun 19 03:06 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ☞ IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. TotalIn: 2.9 GB • TotalOut: 526 MB | Jun 19 03:06 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ☞ New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID | Jun 19 03:06 |
| schestowitz | IPFS usage growing a lot | Jun 19 03:06 |
| schestowitz | to the point of threatening the home connection speeds | Jun 19 03:07 |
| schestowitz | might need to revisit TC() | Jun 19 03:07 |
| schestowitz | 1064 known hosts in gemini | Jun 19 03:07 |
| schestowitz | lots of users of gemini:// these days | Jun 19 03:08 |
| schestowitz | silent revolution? | Jun 19 03:08 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | QmWCc6UN8rXnBKmcnhPY7waCCSXzfsG1AbhZikKfdp3ymB | Jun 19 03:08 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Don't know, but maybe it soon will. | Jun 19 03:09 |
| XRevan86 | I'm sure I'm not the only one who suddenly became aware of it from a Habr post. | Jun 19 03:10 |
| XRevan86 | Well, I knew about the effort before, but didn't know the name and didn't know about the release. | Jun 19 03:11 |
| schestowitz | btw: | Jun 19 03:12 |
| schestowitz | car navigation systems | Jun 19 03:12 |
| schestowitz | from data to software | Jun 19 03:12 |
| schestowitz | very proprietary | Jun 19 03:12 |
| XRevan86 | There was also an earlier fork on F-Droid called Maps. | Jun 19 03:12 |
| schestowitz | we need to address this, but cars as a whole become very proprietary | Jun 19 03:13 |
| schestowitz | even if linux powers those systems | Jun 19 03:13 |
| schestowitz | this will cause problems in the future | Jun 19 03:13 |
| schestowitz | e.g. cars that come with chips for tracking | Jun 19 03:13 |
| schestowitz | deep inside the cars | Jun 19 03:13 |
| schestowitz | for antennas or satellites | Jun 19 03:13 |
| schestowitz | to charge people "to reduce congestion" or "pollution" | Jun 19 03:13 |
| MinceR | wow, organic maps looks like it can actually find addresses and route to them | Jun 19 03:14 |
| schestowitz | or cars that |refuse| to go to locations x, y, z | Jun 19 03:14 |
| MinceR | it even plans a better route out of budapest than google maps and waze would | Jun 19 03:14 |
| schestowitz | we need to do to that domain what apache did to webservers | Jun 19 03:14 |
| schestowitz | isn't waze just google? | Jun 19 03:14 |
| MinceR | sort of | Jun 19 03:14 |
| MinceR | it used to be independent, then google bought it | Jun 19 03:15 |
| MinceR | the codebase still seems to be separate | Jun 19 03:15 |
| MinceR | waze does some things google maps doesn't (like showing you the speed limit and your speed) and vice versa (like lane assistance) | Jun 19 03:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Why are ye planning a route out of Budapest? Check-in in the state security office for profiling. | Jun 19 03:15 |
| MinceR | also, iirc waze's map database is still separate and based on OSM | Jun 19 03:15 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: lol | Jun 19 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | <schestowitz> we need to address this, but cars as a whole become very proprietary | Jun 19 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | I've been dealing with a tune up backlog. | Jun 19 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | Mom doesn't do most of her routine maintainence and the car was getting extremely poor gas mileage when I got it. | Jun 19 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | She let it get so far out of whack that I was getting about 10 miles to the gallon in the city when she handed it to me. | Jun 19 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | It's getting about 17 now. | Jun 19 03:18 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: techrights-bot is how I tell that the bridge is operational. | Jun 19 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | Her spark plugs were so far worn that one of them eventually triggered a misfire trouble code, so her ex husband replaced.....one spark plug. | Jun 19 03:18 |
| activelow | automotive loves qnx, some others do winCE | Jun 19 03:19 |
| XRevan86 | Also congrats to Libera on hitting 40K and to freenode on hitting 24K | Jun 19 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | Windows CE, long term, was a disaster. | Jun 19 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | It's rare to see it on anything anymore. | Jun 19 03:20 |
| activelow | had seen it, NDA | Jun 19 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft themselves snubbed it for an embedded use case on the original XBOX in favor of a stripped down Windows 2000. | Jun 19 03:20 |
| activelow | wince did "like" GPL2 too btw. | Jun 19 03:20 |
| activelow | at least in the project of theirs | Jun 19 03:21 |
| MinceR | oh, another thing google maps has that waze is missing is automatically suggesting alternate routes on the go | Jun 19 03:22 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: both networks are mostly irrelevant to us now | Jun 19 03:23 |
| schestowitz | except for backup in case of network/hv downtime | Jun 19 03:23 |
| schestowitz | this whole chaos ended up nudging us in a direction we sought about 10 months ago | Jun 19 03:24 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: techrights ascended beyond the worries of the mere IRC mortals | Jun 19 03:24 |
| schestowitz | and many thanks to Ariadne for stepping in to help | Jun 19 03:24 |
| schestowitz | I just need to know how to back up this container with all the configs and stuff, in case of D-R becoming necessary | Jun 19 03:24 |
| *job (~job@42cscff4sp33s.irc) has joined #techrights | Jun 19 03:25 | |
| MinceR | Digital Research? | Jun 19 03:28 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #KenShirriff #OpenHardware ☞ Deep dive into how the Teensy microcontroller interacts with the Arduino library http://www.righto.com/2021/06/deep-dive-into-how-teensy.html | Jun 19 03:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.righto.com | Deep dive into how the Teensy microcontroller interacts with the Arduino library | Jun 19 03:29 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #ISC ☞ End of maintenance for ISC DHC CLIENT and RELAY https://lists.isc.org/pipermail/dhcp-users/2021-June/022495.html | Jun 19 03:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.isc.org | End of maintenance for ISC DHC CLIENT and RELAY | Jun 19 03:31 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #Salon ☞ #Arizona #election audit takes wild turn: Voter data is transported to a "secret" lab in another state https://www.salon.com/2021/06/18/arizona-election-audit-takes-wild-turn-voter-data-is-transported-to-a-secret-lab-in-another-state/ | Jun 19 03:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Arizona election audit takes wild turn: Voter data is transported to a "secret" lab in another state | Salon.com | Jun 19 03:31 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #TheNation #Education ☞ Computer Screens and Pieces of Paper https://www.thenation.com/article/society/college-remote-learning/ | Jun 19 03:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Computer Screens and Pieces of Paper | The Nation | Jun 19 03:33 | |
| DaemonFC | <MinceR> oh, another thing google maps has that waze is missing is automatically suggesting alternate routes on the go | Jun 19 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | Waze does that, but it does weird shit. | Jun 19 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | Told me to get off the interstate, take city streets, and then fight the same traffic jam to get back on the interstate. | Jun 19 03:35 |
| MinceR | google maps just draws them on the map and gives an estimate of how it will alter travel time | Jun 19 03:36 |
| MinceR | :) | Jun 19 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | The city streets were worse than the interstate. | Jun 19 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | It also likes trying to take me through Chicago when the better choice is going around it. | Jun 19 03:36 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Our #gnu #linux hero, Ken. https://twitter.com/Reglue/status/1405683376737169408 | Jun 19 03:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reglue: @schestowitz Roy, I was admitted to the ICU with severe sepsis and pneumonia and was applauded by the entire staff… https://t.co/NUv6HdxNRc | Jun 19 03:37 | |
| MinceR | they both like to do that in budapest | Jun 19 03:37 |
| schestowitz | I never drove a car with those devices in it | Jun 19 03:39 |
| schestowitz | but I had better things | Jun 19 03:39 |
| schestowitz | like a laptop wired to it | Jun 19 03:39 |
| schestowitz | does a lot more | Jun 19 03:39 |
| MinceR | if you have the software for it :> | Jun 19 03:39 |
| schestowitz | yes, and gps etc. | Jun 19 03:39 |
| schestowitz | though I want no gps in the car | Jun 19 03:39 |
| schestowitz | with plate tracking I suppose there's not much left to lose | Jun 19 03:39 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather walk or take taxi anonymously | Jun 19 03:40 |
| MinceR | GNSS (including GPS) receivers do not send data | Jun 19 03:40 |
| MinceR | they don't need to | Jun 19 03:40 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #CNN #ProprietarySoftware ☞ How Russian threats in the 2000s turned this country into the go-to expert on cyber defense https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/18/tech/estonia-cyber-security-lessons-intl-cmd/index.html | Jun 19 03:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | How Russian threats in the 2000s turned Estonia into the go-to expert on cyber defense - CNN | Jun 19 03:41 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Microsoft #Windows TCO: ● #Newsweek #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Most Businesses That Pay Off After #Ransomware Hack Hit With Second Attack: Study https://www.newsweek.com/most-businesses-that-pay-off-after-ransomware-hack-hit-second-attack-study-1601266 | Jun 19 03:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newsweek.com | Most Businesses That Pay Off After Ransomware Hack Hit With Second Attack: Study | Jun 19 03:41 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I need to read up on it... | Jun 19 03:42 |
| schestowitz | afaik, it's a US-centric and controlled system | Jun 19 03:42 |
| MinceR | galileo isn't :> | Jun 19 03:43 |
| schestowitz | satellite grid sending out global positions | Jun 19 03:43 |
| MinceR | basically, the satellites have very precise clocks on them | Jun 19 03:43 |
| schestowitz | I forgot the names of the alternatives | Jun 19 03:43 |
| MinceR | all in sync | Jun 19 03:43 |
| MinceR | and they send out their time signal | Jun 19 03:43 |
| CrystalMath | are you following the Andrew Lee interview? | Jun 19 03:43 |
| schestowitz | so you can triangulatre | Jun 19 03:43 |
| MinceR | if you had a very precise clock in your receiver, you could take signals from 3 satellites to find out how far away they are and determine your position | Jun 19 03:43 |
| MinceR | since you don't, you instead use 4 satellites | Jun 19 03:44 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: no, where? | Jun 19 03:44 |
| MinceR | (i don't know how exactly that trick works) | Jun 19 03:44 |
| MinceR | (and of course you can use more satellites) | Jun 19 03:44 |
| CrystalMath | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHsbUBA-j_c | Jun 19 03:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LRH 499.7 - WTCNØDE - YouTube | Jun 19 03:44 | |
| schestowitz | thankls | Jun 19 03:44 |
| CrystalMath | now the topic is UFOs | Jun 19 03:44 |
| techrights-bot/fn | LIVE: interview with #freenode owner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHsbUBA-j_c | Jun 19 03:46 |
| schestowitz | he does not say anything profound | Jun 19 03:46 |
| schestowitz | assuming that's actually him | Jun 19 03:47 |
| CrystalMath | well that interviewer is freenode staff | Jun 19 03:47 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: is that him? | Jun 19 03:47 |
| schestowitz | Lee talking to him? | Jun 19 03:47 |
| CrystalMath | the person in the video is freenode staff | Jun 19 03:47 |
| schestowitz | no video description | Jun 19 03:47 |
| CrystalMath | and Lee is talking | Jun 19 03:47 |
| schestowitz | ah, ok | Jun 19 03:47 |
| schestowitz | not very professional tbh | Jun 19 03:48 |
| schestowitz | not the person I'd want running our network | Jun 19 03:48 |
| schestowitz | he's into 'pizzagate' and stuff | Jun 19 03:48 |
| CrystalMath | that is true, he said he believes in pizzagate absolutely, but not quite the same thing as QAnon says | Jun 19 03:49 |
| schestowitz | not the same | Jun 19 03:49 |
| schestowitz | "africa is a beautiful countru| | Jun 19 03:49 |
| schestowitz | WHAT????? | Jun 19 03:49 |
| schestowitz | WTF | Jun 19 03:49 |
| schestowitz | Does he really think Africa is a COUNTRY? | Jun 19 03:50 |
| schestowitz | I think this is full Palin | Jun 19 03:50 |
| CrystalMath | i didn't hear that | Jun 19 03:50 |
| CrystalMath | the scrollnig text is EFNet | Jun 19 03:50 |
| schestowitz | just seconds ago | Jun 19 03:50 |
| schestowitz | I guess they ask about wrestling because of that magazine they run | Jun 19 03:50 |
| schestowitz | the Lee bros | Jun 19 03:50 |
| schestowitz | I'm very underwhelmed by this interview | Jun 19 03:51 |
| activelow | cant watch it, unresponsive script, then browser doesnt support it | Jun 19 03:51 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #TheHill #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ Chinese apps could face subpoenas, bans under Biden executive order: report https://thehill.com/policy/technology/559112-chinese-apps-could-face-subpoenas-bans-under-biden-executive-order-report | Jun 19 03:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chinese apps could face subpoenas, bans under Biden executive order: report | TheHill | Jun 19 03:52 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #Reuters #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ EXCLUSIVE Chinese apps could face subpoenas or bans under #Biden order -sources https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-chinese-apps-could-face-subpoenas-or-bans-under-biden-order-sources-2021-06-17/ | Jun 19 03:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EXCLUSIVE Chinese apps could face subpoenas or bans under Biden order -sources | Reuters | Jun 19 03:52 | |
| schestowitz | The interviewer is also freenode staff? | Jun 19 03:53 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: I hope not | Jun 19 03:53 |
| CrystalMath | correct | Jun 19 03:53 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #SDTimes #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ SD Times Open-Source Project of the Week: Open Voice Network https://sdtimes.com/sd-times-open-source-project-of-the-week-open-voice-network/ | Jun 19 03:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sdtimes.com | SD Times Open-Source Project of the Week: Open Voice Network - SD Times | Jun 19 03:53 | |
| schestowitz | these people should not control IRC | Jun 19 03:53 |
| schestowitz | they're incompetent | Jun 19 03:53 |
| activelow | lol | Jun 19 03:54 |
| schestowitz | he refers to Africa as "country" | Jun 19 03:54 |
| schestowitz | he wasn't even challenged by his employee | Jun 19 03:54 |
| schestowitz | "it's gonna be crazy" | Jun 19 03:56 |
| schestowitz | (on freenode) | Jun 19 03:56 |
| schestowitz | did he sniff something? | Jun 19 03:56 |
| schestowitz | this is not helping | Jun 19 03:56 |
| CrystalMath | idk, he said some really great things | Jun 19 03:56 |
| CrystalMath | in the beginning at least | Jun 19 03:56 |
| schestowitz | he had the chance to make up for bad first impressions | Jun 19 03:56 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: mayeb the scripted parts | Jun 19 03:57 |
| schestowitz | "let's talk about the new staff in freenode" | Jun 19 03:57 |
| CrystalMath | he really doesn't sound like someone who reads a script | Jun 19 03:57 |
| schestowitz | he keeps saying "shit" | Jun 19 03:57 |
| schestowitz | they mention "eskimo" | Jun 19 03:57 |
| schestowitz | no wonder they flush down the whole DB | Jun 19 03:58 |
| schestowitz | without bothering to grasp the technical ramifications | Jun 19 03:58 |
| CrystalMath | he talked about it | Jun 19 03:58 |
| schestowitz | they have no idea what they're doing. "shit.." | Jun 19 03:58 |
| activelow | the conversation protocol with nirvana was exceptional entertainment too | Jun 19 03:58 |
| schestowitz | oh, he does support Trump | Jun 19 03:58 |
| MinceR | lol, he really is a trumpist | Jun 19 03:58 |
| schestowitz | "shit..." | Jun 19 03:58 |
| schestowitz | "Election was stolen" | Jun 19 03:59 |
| schestowitz | I think we're done here.. | Jun 19 03:59 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▅██▅▅▇▄▅█▅▇▄▃▄▅▇▃▇▄▅▂▃▅▅▅▆▇▅▄▅▃▂▆▇▃█▁ avg(k/sec) 34.23 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▁▃▂▁▁▂▂▃▂▁▂▂▁▂▁▁▁▂▂▁▁█▁▃▁▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 21.68▕ swarm size (avg): 286.75 ⟲ | Jun 19 03:59 |
| schestowitz | "these fuckers who stole that shit" | Jun 19 03:59 |
| schestowitz | (the election) | Jun 19 03:59 |
| schestowitz | really bad | Jun 19 03:59 |
| schestowitz | "these fuckers who stole that shit" (election) - Andrew Lee | Jun 19 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | sheeeeeeeit | Jun 19 04:00 |
| schestowitz | he says Trump is best president in US histpry | Jun 19 04:00 |
| schestowitz | this is who runs freenode now | Jun 19 04:00 |
| schestowitz | [21:19] <schestowitz> he was never rich, he just did the right thing | Jun 19 04:02 |
| schestowitz | [21:19] <rasengan[llf]> the situation with assange is insane man. | Jun 19 04:02 |
| schestowitz | [21:19] <schestowitz> he changed the world a lot more than most billionaires | Jun 19 04:02 |
| schestowitz | [21:19] <rasengan[llf]> The reason they went after him was because of the pizzagate leaks. | Jun 19 04:02 |
| schestowitz | [21:19] <rasengan[llf]> (which are all real) | Jun 19 04:02 |
| schestowitz | [21:19] <schestowitz> among others | Jun 19 04:02 |
| schestowitz | [21:20] <schestowitz> podestaemails are full of stuff that I wrote a lot about | Jun 19 04:02 |
| schestowitz | [21:20] <rasengan[llf]> !! absolutely. | Jun 19 04:02 |
| schestowitz | [21:20] <rasengan[llf]> I'm glad you did this. I got epstein.pizza, podesta.pizza, and clinton.pizza to do the same... but I guess I don't have to lol | Jun 19 04:02 |
| schestowitz | [21:20] <schestowitz> but those things get taken over by nuts | Jun 19 04:02 |
| schestowitz | [21:20] <schestowitz> which then discourage participation | Jun 19 04:02 |
| schestowitz | [21:20] <rasengan[llf]> Well, I wouldn't call them nuts. They're reacting to what they're seeing... | Jun 19 04:02 |
| schestowitz | [21:21] <schestowitz> but they then add to the mix some fiction | Jun 19 04:02 |
| schestowitz | [21:21] <schestowitz> they start with facts | Jun 19 04:02 |
| schestowitz | [21:21] <schestowitz> and then go hayway | Jun 19 04:02 |
| schestowitz | [21:21] <schestowitz> it's a tactic | Jun 19 04:02 |
| schestowitz | [21:21] <rasengan[llf]> For sure. I agree with that. | Jun 19 04:02 |
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| schestowitz | "greatest president of all times" (Trump) | Jun 19 04:04 |
| activelow | schestowitz: provoke argument with me? | Jun 19 04:05 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yea, it was later confirmed that he is indeed a Trump supporter, I mentioned that here. | Jun 19 04:05 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: when? | Jun 19 04:06 |
| schestowitz | Trump fan | Jun 19 04:06 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: At least I hope I did. | Jun 19 04:06 |
| schestowitz | but it's actually worse because he says election was stolen and other BS | Jun 19 04:06 |
| CrystalMath | he tells the truth ;) | Jun 19 04:07 |
| CrystalMath | even the stuff techrights doesn't want to admit :P | Jun 19 04:07 |
| CrystalMath | but ok | Jun 19 04:07 |
| MinceR | even the stuff that isn't true, eh? | Jun 19 04:07 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Techrights Bulletin for Friday, June 18, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext | Jun 19 04:07 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I didn't mention that here… | Jun 19 04:08 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: wish you had | Jun 19 04:08 |
| schestowitz | but | Jun 19 04:08 |
| schestowitz | it's a lot worse | Jun 19 04:08 |
| schestowitz | did you listen to the above interview? | Jun 19 04:08 |
| activelow | Trump isn't fundementally different to any other of his "opponents", doesn't bother with shallow facade instead, and his opponents are reminded of themselves by him (trump). | Jun 19 04:08 |
| activelow | both Putin and Trump were funded by Deutsche Bank, had never been any secret either. | Jun 19 04:09 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Ariadne is who told me, I don't share private talk. | Jun 19 04:09 |
| schestowitz | [04:07] <CrystalMath> he tells the truth ;) | Jun 19 04:09 |
| schestowitz | no, extremely unprofessional | Jun 19 04:09 |
| schestowitz | and not truth, either | Jun 19 04:09 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: No, but that quote is indeed worse than I expected. | Jun 19 04:09 |
| schestowitz | just hearsay and nonsense | Jun 19 04:09 |
| schestowitz | really bad | Jun 19 04:09 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Also this means that the Twitter Andrew Lee who is a Blockchain Trump supporter was a red herring that actually overlapped with rasengan more than we thought. | Jun 19 04:10 |
| MinceR | ah yes, deutsche "put an extra tax on home office" bank | Jun 19 04:10 |
| MinceR | fuck them too | Jun 19 04:10 |
| schestowitz | [20:55] <schestowitz> someone told me PIA was 32 million in debt | Jun 19 04:10 |
| schestowitz | [20:55] <rasengan[llf]> This is not to be confused with a wealth redistribution | Jun 19 04:10 |
| schestowitz | [20:55] <rasengan[llf]> (people will still own their assets etc etc etc) | Jun 19 04:10 |
| schestowitz | [20:55] <schestowitz> speaking in broad them, I'm a sceptic by default | Jun 19 04:10 |
| schestowitz | [20:56] <rasengan[llf]> I'm not really allowed to speak on PIA due to some agreements, but I can answer in terms of that statement. | Jun 19 04:10 |
| schestowitz | [20:56] <rasengan[llf]> 32M debt for a person means something very different than 32M debt for a healthy company. | Jun 19 04:10 |
| Ariadne | i cant believe | Jun 19 04:11 |
| Ariadne | lil pump dropped in | Jun 19 04:11 |
| schestowitz | no, the horse's own mouth | Jun 19 04:11 |
| schestowitz | twitter is not reliable | Jun 19 04:11 |
| schestowitz | but a person talking openly is | Jun 19 04:11 |
| schestowitz | about oneself | Jun 19 04:11 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I'm talking about a May find that the Twitter link to Andrew Lee in a paste condemning freenode lead to a wrong guy. | Jun 19 04:12 |
| Ariadne | well | Jun 19 04:13 |
| Ariadne | i can say | Jun 19 04:13 |
| Ariadne | that interview was something | Jun 19 04:13 |
| XRevan86 | I thought that this was the source of "rasengan is pro-Trump" sentiment. | Jun 19 04:13 |
| Ariadne | well | Jun 19 04:14 |
| Ariadne | he literally said pizzagate is real | Jun 19 04:14 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: well, that's all i had on the matter until today | Jun 19 04:14 |
| Ariadne | and that there is no way trump lost the election | Jun 19 04:14 |
| Ariadne | on l0de radio hour | Jun 19 04:14 |
| Ariadne | just now | Jun 19 04:14 |
| XRevan86 | So I contributed to misleading schestowitz back then. | Jun 19 04:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yes, I only had personal talk as evidence until today too. | Jun 19 04:15 |
| schestowitz | yes | Jun 19 04:16 |
| schestowitz | same here | Jun 19 04:16 |
| schestowitz | anyway, call that a turning point if you will... | Jun 19 04:17 |
| activelow | didn't Trumpovich seek to establish his own media empire since he was banned? | Jun 19 04:17 |
| schestowitz | sometimes better to keep one's mouth shut | Jun 19 04:17 |
| MinceR | he did | Jun 19 04:17 |
| MinceR | afaik it didn't work out for him | Jun 19 04:17 |
| schestowitz | he lost the opportunity, a good opportunity, to say nothing at all | Jun 19 04:17 |
| activelow | Kremlin too tried to establish some TV channel in germany and were denied to do so by german government. | Jun 19 04:17 |
| schestowitz | VOA was at risk | Jun 19 04:18 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure if they dodged the bullet at the end | Jun 19 04:18 |
| schestowitz | Gannett still carries water | Jun 19 04:18 |
| schestowitz | maybe the "Yes Men" went on that interview to impersonate ;D | Jun 19 04:18 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #VOANews #BurkinaFaso ☞ With Media Blocked, Burkina Faso's Displaced Denied a Voice, Journalists Say https://www.voanews.com/press-freedom/media-blocked-burkina-fasos-displaced-denied-voice-journalists-say | Jun 19 04:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | With Media Blocked, Burkina Faso's Displaced Denied a Voice, Journalists Say | Voice of America - English | Jun 19 04:20 | |
| schestowitz | VOA ^ | Jun 19 04:20 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #Bloomberg ☞ #FCC Can Block Subsidized Purchases of #Huawei ’s #5G Technology https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-18/fcc-can-block-subsidized-purchases-of-huawei-s-5g-technology | Jun 19 04:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? | Jun 19 04:25 | |
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| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #HollywoodReporter #Trademarks ☞ Is a Famous Face a Form of Intellectual [sic] Property [sic]? https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/news-anchors-fight-facebook-sag-aftra-1234968110/ | Jun 19 04:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hollywoodreporter.com | Is a Famous Face a Form of Intellectual Property? – The Hollywood Reporter | Jun 19 04:25 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #npr takes bribes both from #billgates and from #microsoft. Now it's shifting the blame away from Microsoft https://text.npr.org/1007632156 also see https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.php | Jun 19 04:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | Biden Tells Putin To Crackdown On Ransomware. What Are The Odds He Will? | Jun 19 04:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cjr.org | Journalism’s Gates keepers - Columbia Journalism Review | Jun 19 04:27 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Beinoff-controlled #newsweek is also "shifting the blame away from Microsoft... the public has been warned for decades to ditch Microsoft, now there is a hurry" -iophk https://www.newsweek.com/2021/07/09/will-putins-hackers-launch-cyber-pearl-harbor-shooting-war-1601791.html | Jun 19 04:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newsweek.com | Will Putin's Hackers Launch a Cyber Pearl Harbor—and a Shooting War? | Jun 19 04:28 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #Nature ☞ 'A Huge Victory': #Biden #USDA Moves to Restore #AnimalWelfare Protections Shredded by Trump https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/06/18/huge-victory-biden-usda-moves-restore-animal-welfare-protections-shredded-trump | Jun 19 04:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'A Huge Victory': Biden USDA Moves to Restore Animal Welfare Protections Shredded by Trump | Common Dreams News | Jun 19 04:29 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I do wonder what would've happened if Libera hadn't been created. OFTC would've been it? Or IRC would've just stopped? | Jun 19 04:32 |
| MinceR | how would that stop IRC? | Jun 19 04:32 |
| MinceR | there still are over 400 IRC networks | Jun 19 04:33 |
| schestowitz | yes, exactly | Jun 19 04:33 |
| MinceR | and probably most of them aren't as crap as libera, oftc or freenode | Jun 19 04:33 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: None at the level of project support that freenode provided. | Jun 19 04:33 |
| MinceR | how did that "project support" work out for people? | Jun 19 04:33 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Pretty well? | Jun 19 04:34 |
| MinceR | doesn't look like it to me | Jun 19 04:34 |
| MinceR | it led to this ## namespace fuckery | Jun 19 04:34 |
| MinceR | it led to a lot of extra bureaucracy | Jun 19 04:34 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It resolved a lot of ambiguities too. | Jun 19 04:34 |
| MinceR | and it lent some people some clout with which they tried to destroy free software | Jun 19 04:35 |
| MinceR | we have better ways of resolving ambiguities | Jun 19 04:35 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Regarding ##, it doesn't look like that's required on Libera. But the project can come in at any time and take control. | Jun 19 04:35 |
| MinceR | it was required in freenode, though, by the people who now run libera | Jun 19 04:35 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: no DMs please | Jun 19 04:36 |
| XRevan86 | Apparently ##sqlite could be #sqlite | Jun 19 04:36 |
| schestowitz | it's triggering notificatrions | Jun 19 04:36 |
| schestowitz | I am doing some work at the moment | Jun 19 04:36 |
| CrystalMath | huh? | Jun 19 04:36 |
| XRevan86 | But I guess they kept it for compatibility? | Jun 19 04:36 |
| MinceR | ##slackware could have been #slackware | Jun 19 04:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: yes | Jun 19 04:36 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather just move on | Jun 19 04:37 |
| schestowitz | heart broken, wasted time, freenode is not our priority | Jun 19 04:37 |
| schestowitz | we look ahead now | Jun 19 04:37 |
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| MinceR | oh, another thing that "project support" led to was a massive queue of project registrations | Jun 19 04:37 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: There are more channels out there. This matters. | Jun 19 04:38 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams ☞ 'Epic Failure of Humanity': Global Displaced Population Hits All-Time High https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/06/18/epic-failure-humanity-global-displaced-population-hits-all-time-high | Jun 19 04:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'Epic Failure of Humanity': Global Displaced Population Hits All-Time High | Common Dreams News | Jun 19 04:38 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: too many channels | Jun 19 04:38 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Still better than projects begging the current ops. | Jun 19 04:38 |
| schestowitz | no network should control this many channels | Jun 19 04:38 |
| schestowitz | if any lesson was to be learned from all this.... | Jun 19 04:38 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: there's no need to beg in the usual setup | Jun 19 04:39 |
| MinceR | just be there first and register the channel | Jun 19 04:39 |
| MinceR | if you aren't there first, either make up a different name or find another network | Jun 19 04:39 |
| schestowitz | [14:24] <techrights-bot/fn> #freenode messed up so badly that #ipfire is almost quitting #irc altogether https://blog.ipfire.org/post/relaunching-ipfire | Jun 19 04:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.ipfire.org - Relaunching #ipfire | Jun 19 04:39 | |
| schestowitz | they use jabber now | Jun 19 04:39 |
| schestowitz | self-hosted | Jun 19 04:39 |
| MinceR | with a more distributed system, we could do without even that, though | Jun 19 04:39 |
| schestowitz | the irc is now sort of secondary and not official | Jun 19 04:39 |
| MinceR | we could have something like a key pair for the channel | Jun 19 04:39 |
| schestowitz | and with jabber you can do what irc does, mostly... | Jun 19 04:39 |
| MinceR | how do you moderate a channel on xmpp, though? | Jun 19 04:40 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I've spent a lot of time convincing a person that categorically refuses to understand the situation, because they use ZNC and cannot use more than one network with convenience. I wonder how many people are out like them. | Jun 19 04:40 |
| schestowitz | LC and LF are like political party | Jun 19 04:40 |
| schestowitz | you elect the lesser evil and pray they won't f-ck you as hard as the "worse" one | Jun 19 04:40 |
| MinceR | even if their irc proxy can only handle one network at a time, they could just use multiple irc proxies | Jun 19 04:40 |
| MinceR | yeah, i'm sick of hoping for the lesser evil | Jun 19 04:41 |
| schestowitz | it's a short-term strategy | Jun 19 04:41 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I defended FN since Aptil | Jun 19 04:41 |
| schestowitz | In April it lost many users | Jun 19 04:41 |
| schestowitz | and the freenode (old) staff was doing rogue ops | Jun 19 04:41 |
| schestowitz | then in May shit hit the fan and we tried to limit the damage | Jun 19 04:41 |
| XRevan86 | rogue ops? | Jun 19 04:41 |
| schestowitz | I will post a link in a moment | Jun 19 04:42 |
| schestowitz | the TR site runs a backup at the moment | Jun 19 04:42 |
| schestowitz | all CPUs fired up | Jun 19 04:42 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: "how do you moderate a channel on xmpp, though?" – huh? | Jun 19 04:42 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: what if someone keeps registering new JIDs on the same server, comes into your channel and floods it? | Jun 19 04:43 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: No voice by default. | Jun 19 04:43 |
| schestowitz | OK, backup done. Now the link: http://techrights.org/2021/05/08/communication-channels-cancel-mobbed/ | Jun 19 04:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Pro-Software Freedom Advocates and Free/Libre Software Supporters Face Barriers Due to Domination of Communication Channels (Beyond the Media) | Techrights | Jun 19 04:44 | |
| MinceR | and then you get users complain about that, as they complain about +m / +M / +q $~a | Jun 19 04:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: XMPP has an advantage of voice being shown in any client. | Jun 19 04:45 |
| MinceR | not even being able to ban an XMPP server (let alone ban a client IP address or range) is pretty grim for serious chat moderation | Jun 19 04:45 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: i'm not aware of an IRC client that doesn't show being voiced | Jun 19 04:45 |
| MinceR | also, the IRC server gives you an error message if your message wasn't sent to anyone | Jun 19 04:45 |
| AdmFubar | here is how crazy the housing market is in the states https://boingboing.net/2021/06/18/a-house-filled-with-urine-feces-rotten-meat-and-dead-cats-gets-offer-frenzy-at-592500.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=a-house-filled-with-urine-feces-rotten-meat-and-dead-cats-gets-offer-frenzy-at-592500 | Jun 19 04:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boingboing.net | A house filled with urine, feces, rotten meat, and dead cats gets offer frenzy at $592,500 | Boing Boing | Jun 19 04:46 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Hm, okay. | Jun 19 04:46 |
| schestowitz | AdmFubar: bb doing clickbair | Jun 19 04:47 |
| schestowitz | *bait | Jun 19 04:47 |
| schestowitz | even doctorow got fed up and left | Jun 19 04:47 |
| schestowitz | about a decade ago it was a little less bad, now they also run Microsoft ads as 'articles' | Jun 19 04:47 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: you were right all along about FN, but it's good to have all that confirmed from the network's actions and words. But I still think that the best outcome will be lots more IRC networks. | Jun 19 04:49 |
| schestowitz | It would also encourage more people to hack bots, software tools, ircd stuff | Jun 19 04:49 |
| schestowitz | and revive this 'ecosystem' | Jun 19 04:49 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: When I said that what I mean is that IRC would not have been able to survive the fall of freenode. | Jun 19 04:50 |
| schestowitz | we need to replace things like slack and jabber/matrix aren't for the more public-facing things | Jun 19 04:50 |
| schestowitz | jabber is ok internally for a company | Jun 19 04:50 |
| schestowitz | IRC was already a niche | Jun 19 04:50 |
| schestowitz | becoming a niche or a niche is another thing | Jun 19 04:50 |
| schestowitz | but I think I'll further improve our IRC tools | Jun 19 04:51 |
| schestowitz | now that we control the stack | Jun 19 04:51 |
| schestowitz | I will come up with some more ideas, we've had many bits of code over the years, mostly becoming stale due to changed APIs at identica, Twitter etc. | Jun 19 04:51 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I think the move would've been rather than Libera to Matrix or elsewhere, away from IRC. | Jun 19 04:51 |
| schestowitz | which again shows the risk of relying on third parties via APIs | Jun 19 04:51 |
| schestowitz | we still need to release our git stuff some time, but would rather have some gemini or web interface | Jun 19 04:52 |
| schestowitz | sourcehut does both | Jun 19 04:52 |
| XRevan86 | So maintaining the status quo by restoring freenode as Libera is very important. | Jun 19 04:52 |
| schestowitz | there is a diaspora | Jun 19 04:53 |
| schestowitz | not everyone moved or will move to LC | Jun 19 04:53 |
| schestowitz | and IRC currently does not federate well | Jun 19 04:53 |
| activelow | there is no alternative to what techrights irc or an efnet nion could offer | Jun 19 04:53 |
| schestowitz | we need more tooling and hacking | Jun 19 04:53 |
| schestowitz | your bridge is helping a lot in transitions | Jun 19 04:53 |
| schestowitz | days ago, upon request from DaemonFC, we made http://techrights.org/irc | Jun 19 04:54 |
| schestowitz | because he was having Net hangups and wanted to see what he had missed | Jun 19 04:54 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to a friend who's good at Perl | Jun 19 04:54 |
| schestowitz | to see if we can further enhance this | Jun 19 04:54 |
| schestowitz | we still have some webirc client installed on the server | Jun 19 04:54 |
| activelow | i am willing to support this here, if there was demand | Jun 19 04:54 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yes, I agree. Except that I think that 90% of those that stayed on IRC will end up on LC. | Jun 19 04:55 |
| schestowitz | from the time freenode was getting rid of mibbit and we needed a substitute | Jun 19 04:55 |
| AdmFubar | I've never seen a microsoft article there | Jun 19 04:55 |
| schestowitz | but a web interface for irc does not allow scrollback | Jun 19 04:55 |
| schestowitz | AdmFubar: not even articles | Jun 19 04:55 |
| schestowitz | ads disguised as 'reportds' | Jun 19 04:55 |
| schestowitz | not recently, but many last year | Jun 19 04:55 |
| AdmFubar | never seen anything of the sort there | Jun 19 04:55 |
| schestowitz | I mentioned this to cory doctorow | Jun 19 04:56 |
| schestowitz | all he said was, I'm no longer involved.... in a tone suggesting he doesn't condone that former doghouse of his | Jun 19 04:56 |
| schestowitz | in theory we could do real-time IRC logs | Jun 19 04:56 |
| schestowitz | going about in cycles and updating for a given day, but cpu and b/w intensive | Jun 19 04:57 |
| schestowitz | would be nice to turn that into those chat applets like in youtube or twitch, but then any troll can vandalise the channel easily | Jun 19 04:57 |
| schestowitz | let's check some freesw repos for existing tools | Jun 19 04:58 |
| schestowitz | that handle raw plaintext/utf-8 | Jun 19 04:58 |
| MinceR | it already serves the purpose of a scrollback | Jun 19 04:58 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▆█▄▅█▇▅▅▅▆▆▆▅▇▇▄▅▅▅▆▇▄▅▅▇▅▃▆▃▇▅▆▅▁ avg(k/sec) 36.75 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▂▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▂▁▂▂▁▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 5.66▕ swarm size (avg): 288.67 ⟲ | Jun 19 04:59 |
| Ariadne | [22:55] <schestowitz> from the time freenode was getting rid of mibbit and we needed a substitute | Jun 19 05:03 |
| Ariadne | there is an important reason why that happened | Jun 19 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | I think that part of "Windows 11" will be a compatibility break under the hood. | Jun 19 05:03 |
| Ariadne | the mibbit client was sending irc logs to its advertising partners for targeting | Jun 19 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft has piled so much crap into Windows 10 that it stopped supporting shortly after that this gives them an excuse to remove it. | Jun 19 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | For now, it looks cosmetic though. | Jun 19 05:04 |
| activelow | had not touched any ms product since .Net 3. and windows 7 | Jun 19 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | It looks like they're dropping 32-bit x86. | Jun 19 05:05 |
| *schestowitz back | Jun 19 05:06 | |
| schestowitz | I cannot seem to find the sort of php tool I'm after | Jun 19 05:06 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: I thought they had blocked it because it was creating lots of useless connections, with auto-login | Jun 19 05:07 |
| schestowitz | last I checked, months ago, mibbit is still around | Jun 19 05:07 |
| schestowitz | but freenode rejects it | Jun 19 05:07 |
| schestowitz | https://widget.mibbit.com/?settings=7ca12664887d4b6e7a0fa6552f9e0de6&server=irc.freenode.net&autoConnect=true&channel=%23techrights | Jun 19 05:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-widget.mibbit.com | Mibbit IRC client widget | Jun 19 05:08 | |
| schestowitz | now it is allows | Jun 19 05:08 |
| schestowitz | the 'new' freenode | Jun 19 05:08 |
| schestowitz | *allowed | Jun 19 05:08 |
| schestowitz | https://widget.mibbit.com/?settings=7ca12664887d4b6e7a0fa6552f9e0de6&server=irc.techrights.org&autoConnect=true&channel=%23techrights | Jun 19 05:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-widget.mibbit.com | Mibbit IRC client widget | Jun 19 05:09 | |
| MinceR | k-lines and the like were probably lost | Jun 19 05:09 |
| *mib_2vtyjg (~5198ee27@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights | Jun 19 05:09 | |
| MinceR | in the ircd switch | Jun 19 05:09 |
| XRevan86 | Ugh, I just realised I still cannot fully logically explain why rasengan went for the wipe. | Jun 19 05:09 |
| mib_2vtyjg | this is rot | Jun 19 05:09 |
| mib_2vtyjg | *roy | Jun 19 05:09 |
| MinceR | that's because it isn't logical | Jun 19 05:09 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: don't try to explain | Jun 19 05:10 |
| schestowitz | the brain didn't work | Jun 19 05:10 |
| MinceR | the interview suggests that they felt they had to get rid of everything and everybody | Jun 19 05:10 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Even illogical decisions can be logically explained, unless they're fully insane. | Jun 19 05:10 |
| schestowitz | too busy in "MAGA" | Jun 19 05:10 |
| schestowitz | [03:59] <schestowitz> "these fuckers who stole that shit" (election) - Andrew Lee | Jun 19 05:10 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But why though? What's the goal? | Jun 19 05:11 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Jun 19 05:11 |
| MinceR | maybe they want to polarize what used to be free software from the other side | Jun 19 05:11 |
| MinceR | because apparently that's what it really needs | Jun 19 05:11 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Jun 19 05:11 |
| schestowitz | notice: after some 'researching' (about 20 pages read) I decided to leave http://techrights.org/irc as is... nice and simple | Jun 19 05:12 |
| MinceR | :) | Jun 19 05:12 |
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| AdmFubar | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210617/09541947007/chinese-government-continues-to-arrest-more-journalists-over-nonsense-national-security-law.shtml | Jun 19 05:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chinese Government Continues To Arrest More Journalists Over Nonsense 'National Security' Law | Techdirt | Jun 19 05:19 | |
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| schestowitz | Error 522: https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=techrights | Jun 19 05:21 |
| schestowitz | freenode doesn't intend to fix its webUI I suppose | Jun 19 05:21 |
| schestowitz | MAGA will take care of that | Jun 19 05:21 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I don't think that explanation works. But who knows. | Jun 19 05:21 |
| schestowitz | it has been down for days | Jun 19 05:21 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: That did cleanse the network from the unloyal projects after all. | Jun 19 05:22 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: so freenode is no web ui anymore, but they now allow mibbit in, unlike before (it was blocked when I tested months ago) | Jun 19 05:22 |
| schestowitz | another shot in foot from FN | Jun 19 05:23 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: they re-registered the channels | Jun 19 05:23 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: There's always the main instance of kiwiirc | Jun 19 05:23 |
| schestowitz | and users did too | Jun 19 05:23 |
| schestowitz | but the trust is not there anymore | Jun 19 05:23 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: yes, but external | Jun 19 05:23 |
| schestowitz | go to https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=techrights | Jun 19 05:24 |
| schestowitz | see top left | Jun 19 05:24 |
| schestowitz | oops | Jun 19 05:24 |
| schestowitz | go to https://freenode.net/ | Jun 19 05:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | freenode | Jun 19 05:24 | |
| schestowitz | top left | Jun 19 05:24 |
| schestowitz | "Chat" | Jun 19 05:24 |
| schestowitz | click on it | Jun 19 05:24 |
| schestowitz | nothing | Jun 19 05:24 |
| schestowitz | times out | Jun 19 05:24 |
| schestowitz | for clownflare | Jun 19 05:24 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Those that were thinking about moving, accelerated the move. And I doubt that every one of them bothered to register again when it's transitional anyway. | Jun 19 05:24 |
| schestowitz | so you basically select the very first link in the page | Jun 19 05:24 |
| schestowitz | and it craps out | Jun 19 05:24 |
| schestowitz | very professional | Jun 19 05:24 |
| schestowitz | and they have not fixed this for days | Jun 19 05:24 |
| schestowitz | no signs of intention to fix it | Jun 19 05:25 |
| schestowitz | actuallt the first link in the page is the self-referential logo | Jun 19 05:25 |
| schestowitz | the second says "Chat" | Jun 19 05:25 |
| schestowitz | and it's a broken link | Jun 19 05:25 |
| schestowitz | so they say come and chat here, but for days that option is now working | Jun 19 05:25 |
| schestowitz | they're running a madhouse | Jun 19 05:26 |
| schestowitz | no time to fix the very basics, but time to do a livestream on google youtube | Jun 19 05:26 |
| activelow | sasl gone, onion gone, webchat gone, staff gone, projects gone, users gone | Jun 19 05:26 |
| schestowitz | https://fosshost.org/news/freenode-partnership-to-be-discontinued | Jun 19 05:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fosshost.org | Fosshost - Update to Freenode Press Release Statement | Jun 19 05:26 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: They're probably busy overcoming other obstacles they've placed for themselves. | Jun 19 05:26 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: SASL gone? That's what the bridge's using. | Jun 19 05:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 05:27 |
| schestowitz | On the 1st of June, 2021, we released a press statement called Freenode Partnership. The blog post articulated a collaboration with Freenode. The partnership was the culmination of several verbal discussions with Mr Andrew Lee, President of Freenode Limited. | Jun 19 05:27 |
| schestowitz | Within the press release statement we briefly detailed the mechanics of the collaboration, using our experience in providing FOSS hosting services, and to further advise the current Freenode Management on how to develop the thriving online community that Freenode has been for the past 20 years. | Jun 19 05:27 |
| schestowitz | When we announced the collaboration, many of you reached out to voice your concerns. The main reason for your feedback was that many in the community did not agree with Fosshost supporting Freenode. | Jun 19 05:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 05:27 |
| activelow | XRevan86: it was the timeline of events | Jun 19 05:27 |
| schestowitz | "On the 11th of June 2021, we formally asked all staff (volunteers who are not directors) to participate in a vote to understand their preference for the described partnership. The result was unanimous that we should end the partnership." | Jun 19 05:27 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: It worked for the bridge since the beginning though. | Jun 19 05:28 |
| activelow | first sasl auth on freenode classic failed with an onion in place, then the onion went down | Jun 19 05:28 |
| XRevan86 | Ah, classic ™ | Jun 19 05:28 |
| activelow | they took this down one by one | Jun 19 05:28 |
| schestowitz | "We made mistakes as we started our dialogue with Mr. Lee, and these mistakes resulted in some knee-jerk decisions. In hindsight, we did not carefully consider this decision in advance with input from our volunteers and the community. We will seek to remain good friends with Freenode; we cannot stress enough how much the level of support shown to our project will mean to our mission and our ability to continue to work on that mission." | Jun 19 05:28 |
| schestowitz | all those blunders, one after the other, led to this | Jun 19 05:28 |
| schestowitz | freenode is its own biggest enemy at this point | Jun 19 05:28 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: I dropped the nicks on classic™ instantly, so I didn't notice anything. | Jun 19 05:29 |
| schestowitz | the number of votes here is rather small: https://bbs.freenode.net/ | Jun 19 05:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bbs.freenode.net | freenode BBS | Jun 19 05:29 | |
| schestowitz | I mean, for all we know maybe only freenode staff voted | Jun 19 05:29 |
| schestowitz | and that staff won't have a job for long | Jun 19 05:29 |
| XRevan86 | And classic™ didn't really matter anyway. | Jun 19 05:29 |
| schestowitz | given the way the network is going | Jun 19 05:30 |
| schestowitz | maybe 2-3 salaries and that's it | Jun 19 05:30 |
| activelow | didn't touch anything, i didn't consent with my registration being handled like this, given the fact my official mail address was used correctly, add to this i am receiving some additional spam there now too | Jun 19 05:30 |
| schestowitz | https://chit.freenode.net/u/v8/68.html | Jun 19 05:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chit.freenode.net | v8 - Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 2:37:32 GMT - freenode Chit | Jun 19 05:30 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 05:30 |
| schestowitz | Friday, June 11, 2021 at 3:39:10 GMT | Jun 19 05:30 |
| schestowitz | kaniinichit rhymes with shit, don't cha know | Jun 19 05:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 05:30 |
| schestowitz | lol, activelow | Jun 19 05:30 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne ^ | Jun 19 05:30 |
| schestowitz | no wonder they banned you | Jun 19 05:31 |
| schestowitz | but at this point, tbh, they discredit themselves | Jun 19 05:31 |
| schestowitz | the sooner they do less, the better | Jun 19 05:31 |
| schestowitz | because over the past 2-3 weeks, the more they did, the more harm was done | Jun 19 05:31 |
| schestowitz | banning people, taking over channels, wiping out the DB... | Jun 19 05:31 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: My perception is skewed by dodging such problems. | Jun 19 05:32 |
| schestowitz | the trump train awaits the next stop | Jun 19 05:32 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: But even then it's been horrible. | Jun 19 05:32 |
| activelow | XRevan86: i don't worry about anything, got other problems to think about than this child's play of self proclaimed prince | Jun 19 05:33 |
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| XRevan86 | activelow: I have a bridge to run on the contrast. | Jun 19 05:34 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna start working on next EPO article, part 11 | Jun 19 05:34 |
| XRevan86 | It's been harder than I thought it would be %). | Jun 19 05:34 |
| schestowitz | it helps a lot though | Jun 19 05:34 |
| activelow | i could fiddle together a bridge if this was of desired | Jun 19 05:34 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: The problem isn't the bridge, it's the crappy network it connects to. | Jun 19 05:35 |
| XRevan86 | Let's just hope rasengan won't suddenly decide that inspircd actually sucks and freenode should try again on something else. | Jun 19 05:36 |
| schestowitz | it has been reduced to a brand | Jun 19 05:37 |
| schestowitz | and not a good one at that | Jun 19 05:37 |
| schestowitz | because people now mean new freenode when they use the brand | Jun 19 05:37 |
| schestowitz | and it's starting to rhyme with technical incompetence | Jun 19 05:37 |
| schestowitz | sadly. | Jun 19 05:37 |
| activelow | exactly, what was supposedly served by this service name isn't anymore, chances are UK law had a word to say about this too | Jun 19 05:38 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It's not just a brand, it's also a domain name. | Jun 19 05:39 |
| schestowitz | with many things linking to it | Jun 19 05:39 |
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| schestowitz | which is why we can hope it will be redeemed | Jun 19 05:39 |
| schestowitz | like, if they manage to get their act together... if it's not too late | Jun 19 05:40 |
| schestowitz | this reminds me of what libreoffice did to openoffice | Jun 19 05:40 |
| schestowitz | and the name never passed | Jun 19 05:40 |
| schestowitz | but openoffice is still around | Jun 19 05:40 |
| schestowitz | full of flaws | Jun 19 05:40 |
| schestowitz | and some people still download it | Jun 19 05:40 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Maybe Putin will realise his faults and I will live happily ever after from there on out. | Jun 19 05:40 |
| XRevan86 | Feels equally as likely. | Jun 19 05:41 |
| schestowitz | Putin will resign | Jun 19 05:41 |
| schestowitz | to give someone else the seat for one day | Jun 19 05:41 |
| schestowitz | then elect himself again | Jun 19 05:42 |
| schestowitz | to set the clock back to 9 | Jun 19 05:42 |
| schestowitz | 0 | Jun 19 05:42 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: No, that scheme is over. | Jun 19 05:42 |
| schestowitz | the tandemocracy | Jun 19 05:42 |
| schestowitz | now they pass new laws | Jun 19 05:42 |
| XRevan86 | But I can't predict the future that far | Jun 19 05:42 |
| schestowitz | it's about as likely as meduza's rss feed working again by month's end ^_^ | Jun 19 05:43 |
| XRevan86 | I can't be certain I'll be alive in the year 2038, what to say about what Putin's plan for then is. | Jun 19 05:43 |
| XRevan86 | A very bloody long time that is. | Jun 19 05:44 |
| XRevan86 | The 32-bit UNIX epoch will end sooner. | Jun 19 05:45 |
| schestowitz | that's ok, nukes will be used again by then | Jun 19 05:45 |
| schestowitz | while their system clock still functions correctly | Jun 19 05:45 |
| XRevan86 | Oh, wait, I'm mixing these two days because they're so similar and I haven't slept. | Jun 19 05:46 |
| XRevan86 | Putin's term ends in 2036, two years before the 32-bit epoch ends. | Jun 19 05:46 |
| XRevan86 | s/days/dates/ | Jun 19 05:47 |
| activelow | politics trigger me | Jun 19 05:47 |
| schestowitz | unix time was designed like that for a reason | Jun 19 05:47 |
| schestowitz | they knew putin would go crazy after 2036 | Jun 19 05:47 |
| schestowitz | so no need for more bits | Jun 19 05:47 |
| schestowitz | putin will do "his bit" | Jun 19 05:47 |
| activelow | doubt i'll survive that long | Jun 19 05:48 |
| XRevan86 | rasengan for president 2036 | Jun 19 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | https://heyjackass.com/ | Jun 19 05:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chicago Crime, Murder & Mayhem | Criminal Infographics | HeyJackass! | Illustrating Chicago Values | Jun 19 05:48 | |
| DaemonFC | Facebook and most other "social" media banned Hey Jackass. | Jun 19 05:48 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #KrebsOnSecurity ☞ First American Financial Pays Farcical $500K Fine https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/06/first-american-financial-pays-farcical-500k-fine/ | Jun 19 05:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | First American Financial Pays Farcical $500K Fine – Krebs on Security | Jun 19 05:49 | |
| XRevan86 | Will MariaDB fix the TIMESTAMP data type by 2038 | Jun 19 05:49 |
| activelow | OpenBSD and Linux did to my knowledge, OpenBSD was first | Jun 19 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | I'm glad that the Democrats say they're the pro-labor party and then declared most workers to be non-essential. | Jun 19 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | "non-essential workers" | Jun 19 05:50 |
| schestowitz | what's even the meaning of "rasengan"? | Jun 19 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | Your job doesn't matter. Go home. Figure out how to deal with this shit on your own. | Jun 19 05:50 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Pokémon I think. | Jun 19 05:50 |
| schestowitz | ok | Jun 19 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | Pokemon is dangerous. | Jun 19 05:51 |
| XRevan86 | Oh, it's Naruto. Should've checked. | Jun 19 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | That black serial killer that gunned down the Jewish man in Rogers Park. | Jun 19 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | Jewish guy wasn't paying attention because he had Pokemon Go open. | Jun 19 05:52 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naruto#/media/File:Naruto_Run.gif | Jun 19 05:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Naruto - Wikipedia | Jun 19 05:52 | |
| DaemonFC | The non-essential then proceeded to shoot an elderly man who was walking his dog. | Jun 19 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | Rahm Emanuel sent in CPD and they gave me a warning ticket for failure to come to a complete stop at a sign. | Jun 19 05:53 |
| activelow | couldn't keep track of the crazyness anymore | Jun 19 05:54 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I heard that it's a decent series. But I don't know. | Jun 19 05:54 |
| XRevan86 | Sounds a bit too soapy for my taste. | Jun 19 05:55 |
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| AdmFubar | https://www.startpage.com/do/dsearch?query=rasengan&cat=web&pl=ext-ff&language=english&extVersion=1.3.0 | Jun 19 06:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.startpage.com | | Jun 19 06:00 | |
| DaemonFC | https://www.npr.org/2021/06/17/1007690138/can-missouri-declare-federal-gun-laws-invalid | Jun 19 06:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | Missouri Has Declared Federal Gun Laws Invalid. Can It Do That? : NPR | Jun 19 06:01 | |
| DaemonFC | "Missouri has new a law" | Jun 19 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | Proofreading.... | Jun 19 06:01 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.alternet.org/2021/06/greene-atf/ | Jun 19 06:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rep. Greene files bill to eliminate ATF then attacks Biden over drug cartels – which ATF targets and investigates - Alternet.org | Jun 19 06:02 | |
| AdmFubar | https://arstechnica.com/?p=1774550 | Jun 19 06:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Ring gave cops free cameras to build and promote surveillance network | Ars Technica | Jun 19 06:03 | |
| AdmFubar | https://arstechnica.com/?p=1774437 | Jun 19 06:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Newly discovered Vigilante malware outs software pirates and blocks them | Ars Technica | Jun 19 06:03 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/fake-darkside-gang-targets-energy-food-industry-in-extortion-emails/ | Jun 19 06:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Fake DarkSide gang targets energy, food industry in extortion emails | Jun 19 06:04 | |
| schestowitz | AdmFubar: just so that you are aware, startpage is spying | Jun 19 06:04 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Startpage | Jun 19 06:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Startpage - Techrights | Jun 19 06:05 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/russia-bans-opera-vpn-and-vyprvpn-classifies-them-as-threats/ | Jun 19 06:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Russia bans Opera VPN and VyprVPN, classifies them as threats | Jun 19 06:05 | |
| schestowitz | threats to Russia or to Putin? | Jun 19 06:05 |
| AdmFubar | hell who isn't? | Jun 19 06:05 |
| AdmFubar | :P | Jun 19 06:05 |
| schestowitz | startpage is lying about it | Jun 19 06:06 |
| schestowitz | it used to be OK | Jun 19 06:06 |
| schestowitz | but silently it defected | Jun 19 06:06 |
| schestowitz | we had whistleblowers | Jun 19 06:06 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.npr.org/2021/06/18/1008242159/11-u-s-mayors-commit-to-developing-pilot-projects-for-reparations | Jun 19 06:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | 11 Mayors From Los Angeles To Asheville Vow To Create Reparations Pilot Programs : NPR | Jun 19 06:07 | |
| DaemonFC | All black town..... (Not racist....you just can't move there if you're white.) | Jun 19 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | Well if they want to tax themselves to pay money to each other, I guess whatever.... | Jun 19 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | Thanks to NPR for the list of cities not to move to. | Jun 19 06:07 |
| activelow | i became accustomed to it, when cycling being attacked, stones thrown at my window, physically attacked | Jun 19 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | I'm glad we got rid of Mayor Cunningham or Waukegan might have been next to lay down crippling taxes and debt to pay reparations to people who were never harmed. | Jun 19 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | They're a legal fiction. | Jun 19 06:08 |
| activelow | besides the usual bureaucratic tyranny, which remains compliant with law formally | Jun 19 06:08 |
| activelow | germany 2021 | Jun 19 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | Government terrorizing citizens pretty even handedly. | Jun 19 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | Why don't I get reparations? I've been badly mistreated by the police. | Jun 19 06:09 |
| activelow | ah yes, police followed me for a while too, don't give a whatever | Jun 19 06:10 |
| DaemonFC | They tormented Ian Murdock into suicide. Nobody said anything because he was white. | Jun 19 06:13 |
| activelow | what was "white" supposed to be? | Jun 19 06:14 |
| activelow | other than that it isn't "white", it is something else | Jun 19 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Order_No._3 | Jun 19 06:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | General Order No. 3 - Wikipedia | Jun 19 06:15 | |
| DaemonFC | Juneteenth celebrates this. Notice the part where it says "they will not be supported in idleness". | Jun 19 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | Man, well, moving right along. | Jun 19 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | advised to seek employment and work for wages | Jun 19 06:17 |
| AdmFubar | whelp off tobed night all | Jun 19 06:17 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ...quite a few so-called 'IP' publications, including #IAM and #ManagingIP , are proudly abetting crime and #corruption at the #epo ... how do they sleep at night? With a bundle of cash (stolen money, crime money) under their pillows... right, Joff Wild? | Jun 19 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | Man, the people who wrote this would be spinning in their graves if they saw Juneteenth because a federal holiday over looters and arsonists. | Jun 19 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | The torching of Kenosha, I mean.....They didn't even steal things from most of those places. They just burned the city. | Jun 19 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | They act like white people are "domestic terrorists" because of occupying a wildlife refuge visitor center for a few days over donuts and coffee. | Jun 19 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | They send in the ATF over that and murder people. | Jun 19 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | I was watching the Bundy thing. I was saying "They're not doing anything menacing, but the ATF is going to come in and kill everyone.". | Jun 19 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I was close, they killed one of them. | Jun 19 06:20 |
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| DaemonFC | They're lucky the government wanted the building back I guess or they'd have rammed it with a tank and then firebombed it. | Jun 19 06:21 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | #teamUPC lobbying for #swpats and working for #microsoft #patentTrolls : http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Intellectual_Ventures https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1405931376566849545 | Jun 19 06:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intellectual Ventures - Techrights | Jun 19 06:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Proudly working for patent trolls: "Renowned partner and litigator Julien Fréneaux, for instance, represents NPE In… https://t.co/U3gIaBIFLR | Jun 19 06:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Proudly working for patent trolls: "Renowned partner and litigator Julien Fréneaux, for instance, represents NPE In… https://t.co/U3gIaBIFLR | Jun 19 06:35 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #EPO Virtual Injustice — Part 11: Perceptive Comments and Caustic Criticism http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/epo-eba-criticism/ #corruption #europe #patents #kangarooCourts | Jun 19 06:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice — Part 11: Perceptive Comments and Caustic Criticism | Techrights | Jun 19 06:37 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | TIL some anti-abortion activists are so detached from reality that they oppose abortion of tiny embryos while FIERCELY defending the killing of ACTUAL babies. Baby cows... I sort of 'went viral' in #twitter for this... | Jun 19 06:50 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | The #EPO ‘s management managed to silence a lot of the critical media (handouts and threats from Benoît #Battistelli and #AntónioCampinos ), but silencing comments is a lot harder; though we don’t know which ones were moderated out of existence… http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/epo-eba-criticism/ | Jun 19 07:03 |
| activelow | tons of documents to read. | Jun 19 07:33 |
| activelow | patents and anything which is weaponized against free software and the personalities involved it seems. | Jun 19 07:33 |
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| activelow | it is a battle fought on the backs of developers and the young generation educated. | Jun 19 07:35 |
| schestowitz | activelow: if you are de-based, you can help us | Jun 19 07:35 |
| schestowitz | because that's near the EPO, the epicenter | Jun 19 07:35 |
| activelow | de-based? | Jun 19 07:36 |
| schestowitz | .de | Jun 19 07:36 |
| activelow | ok | Jun 19 07:36 |
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| schestowitz | merkel has a lot in this | Jun 19 07:36 |
| schestowitz | because they have a cash cow | Jun 19 07:36 |
| schestowitz | the hidden cost of the cash cow is | Jun 19 07:36 |
| schestowitz | 1) patent trolls targeting the country | Jun 19 07:37 |
| schestowitz | 2) demise of the law, promotion of bad patents | Jun 19 07:37 |
| activelow | strong focus on patent law, my scope is slightly different: author's rights. | Jun 19 07:38 |
| activelow | and the consequences of the corruption involved with anything software/educational related. | Jun 19 07:39 |
| activelow | with the background of the sell-out of east-german science and their youth | Jun 19 07:43 |
| activelow | and the socio-economic blessings of Merkel's decisions | Jun 19 07:44 |
| schestowitz | copyright law then? | Jun 19 07:46 |
| schestowitz | you should combat the Germany copyright cartel | Jun 19 07:46 |
| schestowitz | like Verlag | Jun 19 07:46 |
| schestowitz | Spiegel | Jun 19 07:46 |
| schestowitz | iirc, Elsevier is Dutch | Jun 19 07:46 |
| schestowitz | Amsterdam, Netherlands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier | Jun 19 07:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Elsevier - Wikipedia | Jun 19 07:47 | |
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| schestowitz | Berlin/Heidelberg, Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springer_Science%2BBusiness_Media | Jun 19 07:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Springer Science+Business Media - Wikipedia | Jun 19 07:48 | |
| schestowitz | they rip off scientists | Jun 19 07:48 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Springer | Jun 19 07:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Julius Springer - Wikipedia | Jun 19 07:49 | |
| schestowitz | "Springer was from 1867 to 1873 president of the German Booksellers and Publishers Association. From 1869 until his death, Springer was a member of the Berlin city assembly. In addition, he was one of the pioneers of national and international copyright law." | Jun 19 07:49 |
| activelow | maybe, one example, I had applied at BaFin (was involved with Bonn headquarters before, German Telecom), provided my application documents, they scrape off desired data and place vacancies as desired, minor incidents which sum up to remarkable damange in total | Jun 19 07:49 |
| schestowitz | Oddly short | Jun 19 07:49 |
| schestowitz | I reckon some bad past there | Jun 19 07:49 |
| schestowitz | hence the brevity of info about him | Jun 19 07:49 |
| activelow | BaFin is german finance supervision, other "public-private" institutions act similar, such as a contract with German Telecom i archived for that matter | Jun 19 07:49 |
| activelow | Microsoft | Jun 19 07:50 |
| schestowitz | Didn't know they're now known as "Business Media" | Jun 19 07:50 |
| schestowitz | From science | Jun 19 07:50 |
| schestowitz | it became "Business Media" | Jun 19 07:50 |
| schestowitz | all about money | Jun 19 07:50 |
| activelow | data scrapers at employment agency | Jun 19 07:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/irc/ changed for better clarity | Jun 19 07:53 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | The page http://techrights.org/irc/ has just been changed for better clarity. It shows the latest in #techrights IRC channel... | Jun 19 07:55 |
| Techrights-sec | Yes, the pipes help. There is extra space after the time stamp though. | Jun 19 07:58 |
| schestowitz | I've just changed the pipe type and removed the spare space, so now the line are contiguous | Jun 19 07:59 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▇██▆▅▅▆▄█▇▆▁▇▁▄█▆▅▇█▅▇▅▆▇▅▅▅▇▁▆▆▇▁ avg(k/sec) 39.83 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▁▂▂▂▁▂▁▁█▂▃█▁▂█▂▂▃▂▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▂▁▁▂█▂▂▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 42.30▕ swarm size (avg): 292.89 ⟲ | Jun 19 07:59 |
| schestowitz | should be visible after next cron run | Jun 19 07:59 |
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| schestowitz | 〖〗 | Jun 19 08:01 |
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| activelow | sorry schestowitz , "something" cut my circuit | Jun 19 08:04 |
| Techrights-sec | Thanks | Jun 19 08:05 |
| Techrights-sec | I wonder about the date format, too. MAybe ISO 8601 would be better. It would | Jun 19 08:05 |
| Techrights-sec | take fewer columns | Jun 19 08:05 |
| Techrights-sec | especially without dashes | Jun 19 08:05 |
| schestowitz | I can remove the date altogether with cut | Jun 19 08:07 |
| activelow | nothing urgent | Jun 19 08:07 |
| activelow | the best part of their methods was to threaten me with incarceration | Jun 19 08:08 |
| activelow | seems something else is preventing them from doing it | Jun 19 08:09 |
| Ariadne | inspircd is a decent ircd, but inspircd's maintainer is not terribly interested in helping andrew | Jun 19 08:11 |
| Ariadne | something about destroying an irc network is going to make irc devs squeamish on giving him help | Jun 19 08:12 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Jun 19 08:13 |
| Techrights-sec | Removing the date might be ok, if the file is only one date. Is it alll | Jun 19 08:17 |
| Techrights-sec | one date or a rolling 24-hour log? | Jun 19 08:17 |
| Techrights-sec | I thought about doing a rotation of files | Jun 19 08:17 |
| schestowitz | does anyone know how to align with tabbing in plain text where the strings vary by more than 2-3 chars | Jun 19 08:25 |
| schestowitz | if that is possible without actually analysing the text | Jun 19 08:26 |
| schestowitz | I think there's a trick | Jun 19 08:28 |
| Techrights-sec | A 24-hour cache might be very nice to have. | Jun 19 08:35 |
| Techrights-sec | Otherwise, sometimes at the start of a new file, some or all of the context | Jun 19 08:35 |
| Techrights-sec | is missing to the first line or lines. | Jun 19 08:35 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux ☞ #Commodore64 + Raspberry Pi 4 = Synth6581 https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/commodore-64-raspberry-pi-4-synth6581/ | Jun 19 08:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Commodore 64 + Raspberry Pi 4 = Synth6581 - Raspberry Pi | Jun 19 08:36 | |
| schestowitz | I'm getting closer now... | Jun 19 08:38 |
| schestowitz | I will add a pseudo menu at the top and bottom | Jun 19 08:40 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ #Triller Sues #YourEXTRA YouTube Channel For Jake Paul Fight Piracy https://torrentfreak.com/triller-sues-yourextra-youtube-channel-for-jake-paul-fight-piracy-210618/ | Jun 19 08:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Triller Sues YourEXTRA YouTube Channel For Jake Paul Fight Piracy * TorrentFreak | Jun 19 08:44 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ Mysterious Malware Blocks The #PirateBay and Other Pirate Sites https://torrentfreak.com/mysterious-malware-blocks-the-pirate-bay-and-other-pirate-sites-210618/ | Jun 19 08:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mysterious Malware Blocks The Pirate Bay and Other Pirate Sites * TorrentFreak | Jun 19 08:44 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Try quantum computing with this open source software development kit • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152453 | Jun 19 08:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Try quantum computing with this open source software development kit | Tux Machines | Jun 19 08:45 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | This week in KDE: Expandable tooltips and more • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152454 | Jun 19 08:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: Expandable tooltips and more | Tux Machines | Jun 19 08:45 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152455 | Jun 19 08:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 19 08:45 | |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▂▄▅▅▆▅▆▇▆▃▃▅▆▇▅▇▇▇▆▄▄▆▅▄▅▅▇▆▇▆▆▅▁ avg(k/sec) 37.23 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▁▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▁▁▁▂▂▂▁▂▂▂▃▁▂▂▁▁▂▂▂▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 5.73▕ swarm size (avg): 294.29 ⟲ | Jun 19 08:59 |
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| schestowitz | we could periodically sync that across to gemini, but I doubt this would be accessed quite as much and thus worth it. It's a plain text file | Jun 19 09:22 |
| techrights-bot/fn | 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 #IRC Proceedings: Friday, June 18, 2021 • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/irc-log-180621/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/19/irc-log-180621/ | Jun 19 09:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Friday, June 18, 2021 | Techrights | Jun 19 09:29 | |
| schestowitz | OK, done for now: http://techrights.org/irc/ | Jun 19 09:31 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: ^^ | Jun 19 09:31 |
| schestowitz | that file can be fetched using wget periodically, for those without an irc client or anything but a terminal with curl/wget/similar | Jun 19 09:33 |
| Techrights-sec | gemini alreadt has the logs though, that is probably enough | Jun 19 09:47 |
| Techrights-sec | I see it is a text file. That makes it fast. | Jun 19 09:47 |
| schestowitz | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/chat | Jun 19 09:55 |
| schestowitz | linked in two places in the capsule now | Jun 19 09:55 |
| schestowitz | gemini isn't a 'push' protocol per se, so I don't expect to make a read/write gemini interface for IRC, although with cgi and something like ii it is doable for sure | Jun 19 09:59 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Potential project: make #irc work over #geminiProtocol with support for writing into a channel. So far I have it running in read-only mode gemini://gemini.techrights.org/chat | Jun 19 10:01 |
| schestowitz | if agate can deal with cgi in its latest version, then users of gemini can enter lines into IRC, over ii, through the gemini client/capsule | Jun 19 10:03 |
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| schestowitz | how's this for info/doc drop: | Jun 19 10:30 |
| schestowitz | techrights iframe with secure and anonymous node | Jun 19 10:30 |
| schestowitz | people type into it (spam a risk) and that gets relayed from that node into irc | Jun 19 10:31 |
| schestowitz | or over ssh. ssh -> host -> ii -> irc | Jun 19 10:32 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt #Internet ☞ Letting Newspapers Band Together To Demand Payments From Internet Companies Is Bad For The Internet And Bad For Journalism https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210617/09403347006/letting-newspapers-band-together-to-demand-payments-internet-companies-is-bad-internet-bad-journalism.shtml | Jun 19 10:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Letting Newspapers Band Together To Demand Payments From Internet Companies Is Bad For The Internet And Bad For Journalism | Techdirt | Jun 19 10:38 | |
| activelow | slightly irritated that the circuit dropped, not critical at all yet it is a doubled-socksified line | Jun 19 10:48 |
| activelow | if anything on the side of techright intended i silence i take no offense, yet the circuit dropped somewhere in between which should be impossible to trace back to my side here (if freenode didn't monitor me idling there with a similar nick) | Jun 19 10:50 |
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| Techrights-sec | Not sure. | Jun 19 10:54 |
| Techrights-sec | iframes are always a bad idea | Jun 19 10:54 |
| activelow | it is a socks-in-socks setup, and it was the circuit dropped which arrived at techrights IRC endpoint | Jun 19 10:55 |
| activelow | had to flush the entire onion directory cache of it | Jun 19 10:56 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▆▅▆▄▆▅▆▆▇▅█▅▄█▂▆▆▇▇█▇▄▇▃▄▄▅▅▄▄▅▆▇▅▆▆▁ avg(k/sec) 34.33 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▃▂▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▁▁▂▁▂█▁▁▂▂▂▂▂▂▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▃▁ avg(k/sec) 13.33▕ swarm size (avg): 295.24 ⟲ | Jun 19 10:59 |
| kingoffrance | re: linking, dont trust me check yourself as my memory may be hazy and misinterpreting, i remember greenwald said in a book (in response to accusations of profitting off of snowden leaks) that was required to be considered a "journalist" and perhaps even required to allow "legally" publishing "classified" things. there is some sort of "journalist" test. point being, this kind of makes sense, normal person is not a journalist, unpaid person is | Jun 19 11:01 |
| kingoffrance | not a journalist, the test is apparently some sort of "does this regularly for money" thing | Jun 19 11:01 |
| kingoffrance | professional == gets paid | Jun 19 11:02 |
| kingoffrance | unprofessional == not being paid | Jun 19 11:02 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt #Monopolies ☞ No, 'Big Tech' Should Not Give 'Big Telecom' Billions Of Dollars For No Reason https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210615/09154446994/no-big-tech-should-not-give-big-telecom-billions-dollars-no-reason.shtml | Jun 19 11:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No, 'Big Tech' Should Not Give 'Big Telecom' Billions Of Dollars For No Reason | Techdirt | Jun 19 11:03 | |
| kingoffrance | it does seem like "rent seeking" | Jun 19 11:04 |
| schestowitz | activelow: what's that about? | Jun 19 11:04 |
| schestowitz | nothing was dropped | Jun 19 11:05 |
| kingoffrance | honestly, i dont know, but what is preventing newspapers from creating their own walled gardens? i guess, i dont see why they need special assistance. if they want to be paid for every link, they can make their own "web" | Jun 19 11:06 |
| kingoffrance | and indeed, many things already do this, e.g. academic papers | Jun 19 11:06 |
| kingoffrance | many many many news you need to log in/subscribe etc. so, i dont know who this is even meant to protect | Jun 19 11:07 |
| kingoffrance | or 3 free articles a month, whatever | Jun 19 11:08 |
| activelow | schestowitz: someone had cut a socksified line here, the moment my mind snapped about business entities | Jun 19 11:08 |
| activelow | if this wasn't triggered by techrights it must have been someone else, i'll disconnect for that reason from freenode now | Jun 19 11:09 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Now #redhat site open source dot com is hyping up the latest #marketing #papourware of #ibm ... as if the site can only continue to exist as a PR rag of IBM | Jun 19 11:09 |
| activelow | LC disconnected | Jun 19 11:14 |
| schestowitz | for all? | Jun 19 11:14 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #CounterPunch #wikileaks #assange #FreePress ☞ Julian Assange Rots in Jail as U.S. Slaughters #FirstAmendment https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/18/julian-assange-rots-in-jail-as-u-s-slaughters-first-amendment/ | Jun 19 11:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Julian Assange Rots in Jail as U.S. Slaughters First Amendment - CounterPunch.org | Jun 19 11:15 | |
| activelow | i don't trust neither freenode nor LC | Jun 19 11:16 |
| schestowitz | LC is former freenode staff | Jun 19 11:17 |
| schestowitz | freenode is people who put them off | Jun 19 11:17 |
| schestowitz | seems to me like lots of ego and control attempts | Jun 19 11:18 |
| schestowitz | maybe to gain control over what thoughts are impermissible. That's what Twitter and Facebook do. | Jun 19 11:18 |
| schestowitz | When you control the platform you become a communications filter and can impact outcomes. | Jun 19 11:18 |
| schestowitz | This is why the US army has been sinking so much money into "tech" | Jun 19 11:18 |
| schestowitz | it's about maintaining dominance at every level | Jun 19 11:19 |
| kingoffrance | ^ | Jun 19 11:19 |
| activelow | ^ | Jun 19 11:19 |
| kingoffrance | catch-22 movie, from imdb quotes: [first lines] Lt. Col. Korn, XO: [speaking to Yossarian] All you have to do is be our pal. Colonel Cathcart: Say nice things about us. Lt. Col. Korn, XO: Tell the folks at home what a good job we're doing. Take our offer Yossarian. Colonel Cathcart: Either that or a court-martial for desertion. | Jun 19 11:20 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams ☞ Tough Truths Are Desperately Needed About America's Lost Wars https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/06/18/tough-truths-are-desperately-needed-about-americas-lost-wars | Jun 19 11:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Tough Truths Are Desperately Needed About America's Lost Wars | William Astore | Jun 19 11:21 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt #PatentTrolls ☞ 15 Universities Have Formed A Company That Looks Remarkably Like A #PatentTroll https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210617/22294447011/15-universities-have-formed-company-that-looks-remarkably-like-patent-troll.shtml | Jun 19 11:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-15 Universities Have Formed A Company That Looks Remarkably Like A Patent Troll | Techdirt | Jun 19 11:22 | |
| kingoffrance | well im trying to imagine llink tax would only apply to giant monopolies, and imagining it wont be a gateway to further things, and having a difficult time | Jun 19 11:24 |
| kingoffrance | im trying to give them benefit of the doubt, and failing | Jun 19 11:24 |
| kingoffrance | and trying to imagine any reader of "news" lobbied for this | Jun 19 11:24 |
| immibis | the link tax would go away faster with accelerationism. Just let them make the tax, let every internet company block Australia, wait until Australia wants its internet back, and no more link tax. Ever, anywhere. | Jun 19 11:25 |
| immibis | (or in the 0.1% chance that a link tax turns out to be good for the economy and not bad like everyone thinks, it stays and so does Australia's internet) | Jun 19 11:32 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #righttorepair https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/right-to-repair-introduced-federally-for:7 | Jun 19 11:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Right to Repair introduced FEDERALLY for the first time! ? | Jun 19 11:35 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Investors in technology need to pay attention to corporate governance https://www.economist.com/leaders/2021/06/19/investors-in-technology-need-to-pay-attention-to-corporate-governance | Jun 19 11:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Investors in technology need to pay attention to corporate governance | The Economist | Jun 19 11:35 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Joe #Manchin gets hoodwinked — again: Why does he keep falling for the Republican con? https://www.salon.com/2021/06/18/joe-manchin-gets-hoodwinked--again-why-does-he-keep-falling-for-the-republican-con/ | Jun 19 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Joe Manchin gets hoodwinked — again: Why does he keep falling for the Republican con? | Salon.com | Jun 19 11:36 | |
| kingoffrance | some things never change. How was I supposed to know there was going to be a glut? Yossarian: Milo, people can't eat cotton! 1st Lt. Milo Minderbinder: They've got to - it's for the Syndicate! | Jun 19 11:37 |
| Techrights-sec | "" | Jun 19 11:41 |
| Techrights-sec | 10:18:46 schestowitz When you control the platform you become a communications filter and can impact outcomes. | Jun 19 11:41 |
| Techrights-sec | "" | Jun 19 11:41 |
| Techrights-sec | faecebook | Jun 19 11:41 |
| schestowitz | that's what some IRC networks are becoming, or being destroyed for | Jun 19 11:41 |
| activelow | I advice precision here: network is the infrastructure (including telco), IRC is an application layer service, with which participants communicate | Jun 19 11:44 |
| activelow | consumer access lines of the network infrastructure is crippled (dyndns, no static ip, and recently carrier grade NAT horror, force to use specific home-routers etc.) | Jun 19 11:45 |
| schestowitz | https://blog.mageia.org/en/2021/06/19/irc-channels-migration/ | Jun 19 11:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mageia.org | IRC channels migration | Mageia Blog (English) | Jun 19 11:45 | |
| activelow | so telco can prevent individual consumers and small business from operating their OWN services on top of the infrastructure | Jun 19 11:45 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "I really don't need donations. It is really my pleasure to upload blog reports about EasyOS, Puppy, DIY hiking gear, and all the rest that have posted about." https://bkhome.org/news/202106/donation-button-removed.html | Jun 19 11:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | Donation button removed | Jun 19 11:47 | |
| activelow | at the application layer (irc services, mail etc, fb,tweets) such were monopolized, "cloud" henceforth consumers and small business cannot control this either anymore | Jun 19 11:48 |
| activelow | and finally total control over the communication of humans is gained, since all communication channels (TV, Radio, Newspapers, ...) source their material from the same centralized/coordinated origin | Jun 19 11:49 |
| activelow | individual devices are fully tapped and locked, both hardware(BIOS, platform init, usb, firmware) and software (dbus, javascript) at all layers, all operating systems directly or indirectly by supervisors implemented | Jun 19 11:51 |
| activelow | this has the following legal implications: network operators are not permitted to implement *mass* surveillance, they collect connectivity data (DNS, IP, dialin, phone connections) | Jun 19 11:58 |
| activelow | services are subject to content regulation, and police or agencies must distinguish if either network/online data is collected of surveillance of an individual device is permitted (heavy crimes) | Jun 19 11:59 |
| activelow | with regards to content regulation legislation was tightened recently to "sanction delegtimization of government" (germany), to tap individual devices "permissive online and offline surveillance" was passed | Jun 19 12:00 |
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| XRevan86 | Nothing disconnected for me. | Jun 19 12:09 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "For nearly one decade there has been talk of #UPower 1.0 while in 2021 that still has yet to materialize for this former "DeviceKit-Power" project but at least now there is UPower v0.99.12 as the first release in two years." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=UPower-0.99.12-Released | Jun 19 12:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nearly A Decade Later, UPower Still Working Towards 1.0 Release - Phoronix | Jun 19 12:09 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Oracle Sends Out Latest Linux Patches So Trenchboot Can Securely Launch The Kernel - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Trenchboot-Linux-Patches-v2 ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/19/#latest | Jun 19 12:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Oracle Sends Out Latest Linux Patches So Trenchboot Can Securely Launch The Kernel - Phoronix | Jun 19 12:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 19 12:11 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Digi ConnectCore 8M Mini SOM and Mini Development Kit for Industrial IoT Applications - CNX Software ⚓ https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/19/digi-connectcore-8m-mini-som-and-mini-development-kit-for-industrial-iot-applications/ ䷉ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/19/#latest | Jun 19 12:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Digi ConnectCore 8M Mini SOM and Mini Development Kit for Industrial IoT Applications - CNX Software | Jun 19 12:13 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Steam on ChromeOS: Not a Rumor Anymore - Boiling Steam ⚓ https://boilingsteam.com/steam-on-chromeos-not-a-rumor-anymore/ ䷉ #boilingsteam | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/19/#latest | Jun 19 12:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | Steam on ChromeOS: Not a Rumor Anymore - Boiling Steam | Jun 19 12:14 | |
| immibis | "<activelow> and finally total control over the communication of humans is gained, since all communication channels (TV, Radio, Newspapers, ...) source their material from the same centralized/coordinated origin" | Jun 19 12:33 |
| immibis | they had this total control in the past. And that was the golden age of productivity and wages | Jun 19 12:33 |
| immibis | in fact, it has been the case for most of human history. Only now are we seeing social media as an important player | Jun 19 12:34 |
| XRevan86 | > lode: For the longest time, freenode has been uttely dscouraged (?) of IRC, before Andrew came along, it was one of the worst places that ye could chat, it was like a miserable hellpit full of operator abuse, people stealing your channels, nerds telling you what ye couldn't talk about, it was just wretched, and that's all going to change, hopefully, thanks to Andrew… | Jun 19 12:42 |
| XRevan86 | The interview starts very strongly. | Jun 19 12:42 |
| XRevan86 | With this kind of start, I may be able to watch the whole thing. | Jun 19 12:42 |
| schestowitz | is this the one from earlier? | Jun 19 12:45 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: There's another one? | Jun 19 12:45 |
| schestowitz | If Freenode is FOSS, then... | Jun 19 12:45 |
| schestowitz | it's not political | Jun 19 12:45 |
| schestowitz | at least not purely | Jun 19 12:46 |
| schestowitz | maybe some people want ot turned into a rightwing propaganda outlet | Jun 19 12:46 |
| schestowitz | with the reputation that it gained from Free software | Jun 19 12:46 |
| XRevan86 | The first question is a good one, and turns out, freenode, Ltd. was acquired for "an indisclosed amount". Coming in strong. | Jun 19 12:46 |
| schestowitz | maybe almost nothing | Jun 19 12:47 |
| XRevan86 | > l0de: I was actually surprised ye didn't charge *them* money to take freenode off of their hands | Jun 19 12:47 |
| schestowitz | maybe a bribe to the steward/ess | Jun 19 12:47 |
| XRevan86 | I am impressed with the boldness of this yes-manning | Jun 19 12:48 |
| immibis | this channel is a rightwing propagand outlet | Jun 19 12:48 |
| XRevan86 | Now he's shitting on Christel for no reason whatsoever. | Jun 19 12:48 |
| immibis | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHsbUBA-j_c the interview (starts 4:11) | Jun 19 12:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LRH 499.7 - WTCNØDE - YouTube | Jun 19 12:49 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Links 19/6/2021: Wine 6.11 and Proton 6.3-5 RC • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/proton-6-3-5-rc/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/19/proton-6-3-5-rc/ | Jun 19 12:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 19/6/2021: Wine 6.11 and Proton 6.3-5 RC | Techrights | Jun 19 12:49 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152456 | Jun 19 12:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jun 19 12:51 | |
| XRevan86 | immibis: Why do ye say that? | Jun 19 12:51 |
| schestowitz | whose channel? | Jun 19 12:52 |
| XRevan86 | Because I quoted these noble people? | Jun 19 12:52 |
| schestowitz | the youtube one? | Jun 19 12:52 |
| schestowitz | not this one.. | Jun 19 12:52 |
| schestowitz | unless one judges by some troll-ish lurkers and provocateurs | Jun 19 12:52 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Programming Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152457 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 19 12:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 19 12:52 | |
| XRevan86 | the next bit is so insane, I don't know if I can quote it | Jun 19 12:53 |
| immibis | ~half the discussion in this channel is from those lurkers and provocateurs | Jun 19 12:53 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #ProprietarySoftware Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152462 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 19 12:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 19 12:53 | |
| schestowitz | they should use -social | Jun 19 12:53 |
| schestowitz | we don't do wings | Jun 19 12:53 |
| schestowitz | we do tech | Jun 19 12:53 |
| schestowitz | some people flood the channel with their BS | Jun 19 12:54 |
| schestowitz | and we ask them not to | Jun 19 12:54 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Today’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152463 | Jun 19 12:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 19 12:54 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Kernel : Oracle, UPower, and Linux Plumbers Conference • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152461 | Jun 19 12:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Oracle, UPower, and Linux Plumbers Conference | Tux Machines | Jun 19 12:54 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #RedHat / Fedora Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152460 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 19 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 19 12:55 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #OpenHardware / #Modding Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152459 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 19 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 19 12:55 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #FreeSoftware Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152458 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 19 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 19 12:55 | |
| schestowitz | activelow: is this l0de freenode staff? | Jun 19 12:57 |
| schestowitz | like crystalMath claimed? | Jun 19 12:57 |
| schestowitz | in which case, it might be someone 'interviewing' the boss | Jun 19 12:57 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▇█▇▅▆▄▅▅▃▂▅▄▅▄▅▅▆▃▃▆▄▆▆▇▄▇▅▇▆▇▆▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 32.21 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▁▁▂▂▁█▁▁▂▃▁▂▂▂▁▁▁▂▂█▁▂▂▂▂▂▁▂█▁▁ avg(k/sec) 43.75▕ swarm size (avg): 296.59 ⟲ | Jun 19 12:59 |
| techrights-bot/fn | KDE Gets Expandable Tooltips, Larger Clipboard, More Wayland Fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152454#comment-29991 | Jun 19 12:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: Expandable tooltips and more | Tux Machines | Jun 19 13:00 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Microsoft with its #DRM is a waste of time for #KDE ; better to focus on #BSD and GNU/Linux https://kate-editor.org/post/2021/2021-06-19-kde-ev-windows-store-statistics/ | Jun 19 13:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kate-editor.org | KDE e.V. Windows Store Statistics - Kate | Jun 19 13:01 | |
| immibis | l0de is not freenode staff afaik | Jun 19 13:01 |
| schestowitz | anyway, the little I saw of that thing, live, was insane | Jun 19 13:01 |
| schestowitz | makes it look like a bunch of lunatics and frauds took over that network | Jun 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | and it's worrying, though I am glad the dependence is mostly gone | Jun 19 13:02 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: "makes it look" – there's no need for that soft language. | Jun 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | it was just concealed for a while | Jun 19 13:03 |
| schestowitz | one wonders what that means for Shells | Jun 19 13:03 |
| schestowitz | when I first saw their paid-for puff pieces I scoffed a bit | Jun 19 13:03 |
| schestowitz | and that was a long time ago | Jun 19 13:03 |
| schestowitz | I can see the appeal of Trump to such pepople | Jun 19 13:03 |
| schestowitz | pretending to be important and rich | Jun 19 13:03 |
| schestowitz | no matter is reality os bankruptcy and debt | Jun 19 13:04 |
| schestowitz | and hoping to miraculously pull it off one day | Jun 19 13:04 |
| schestowitz | and like Bernie Madoff, they might charm some people along the way | Jun 19 13:04 |
| schestowitz | like christel | Jun 19 13:04 |
| schestowitz | asking for a job and such | Jun 19 13:04 |
| schestowitz | I saw this in 3 places | Jun 19 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Saudi, China, and US | Jun 19 13:04 |
| schestowitz | oh, Italy also | Jun 19 13:04 |
| schestowitz | one day a big millionaire, the next day bankrupt | Jun 19 13:05 |
| schestowitz | keeping up appearances | Jun 19 13:05 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Libzip 1.8 Released With Support For #Zstd Compressed ZIP Files - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Libzip-1.8-Released ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/19/#latest | Jun 19 13:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Libzip 1.8 Released With Support For Zstd Compressed ZIP Files - Phoronix | Jun 19 13:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 19 13:07 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: And then l0de makes jokes to rasengan that christel is disgusting, about which he has no objection. | Jun 19 13:10 |
| XRevan86 | What a success story. | Jun 19 13:10 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Here’s Why Switching to Linux Makes Sense in 2021 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152464 | Jun 19 13:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Here’s Why Switching to Linux Makes Sense in 2021 | Tux Machines | Jun 19 13:11 | |
| Ariadne | i dont think insulting christel's looks is useful | Jun 19 13:11 |
| XRevan86 | I can't believe this disgusting man made a good first impression on me. | Jun 19 13:12 |
| Ariadne | theres plenty of not nice things which can be said about christel while still punching above the belt | Jun 19 13:12 |
| XRevan86 | (I mean rasengan) | Jun 19 13:12 |
| Ariadne | l0de is going to be l0de | Jun 19 13:12 |
| Ariadne | no point in even complaining at this point | Jun 19 13:12 |
| Ariadne | he is a known quantity | Jun 19 13:12 |
| schestowitz | what's lode's backround at all? | Jun 19 13:13 |
| schestowitz | ANother ManWithWebcam Youtube channel? | Jun 19 13:13 |
| Ariadne | l0de used to be a GNAA groupie | Jun 19 13:13 |
| schestowitz | ewww | Jun 19 13:13 |
| schestowitz | some company | Jun 19 13:13 |
| Ariadne | uhh, GNAA was a trolling group | Jun 19 13:13 |
| schestowitz | maybe next stop is a guest at weev | Jun 19 13:13 |
| Ariadne | they took over rob levin's o:line | Jun 19 13:13 |
| Ariadne | back in 2005 | Jun 19 13:13 |
| Ariadne | ratbert or whatever | Jun 19 13:13 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #PostgreSQL Related Releases • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152465 | Jun 19 13:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PostgreSQL Related Releases | Tux Machines | Jun 19 13:14 | |
| Ariadne | GNAA split into several splinter groups, one being PP4L (i can explain the acronym if you really want to know, but i assure you that you don't) | Jun 19 13:14 |
| Ariadne | l0de is with PP4L | Jun 19 13:14 |
| *schestowitz notes all this becomes visible also in FN, but our logs are public regardless | Jun 19 13:15 | |
| Ariadne | he shouted them out frequently on the show | Jun 19 13:15 |
| Ariadne | well, schestowitz i don't think it is uncommon knowledge that l0de is part of a group called "penis pump 4 life" | Jun 19 13:15 |
| schestowitz | sounds like incels | Jun 19 13:16 |
| Ariadne | i honestly don't know about that | Jun 19 13:16 |
| Ariadne | i just know that they ddos efnet users/servers/etc | Jun 19 13:16 |
| Ariadne | when they dont get what they want | Jun 19 13:16 |
| schestowitz | OK, Daily Links posted, am taking a short break now | Jun 19 13:16 |
| schestowitz | then epo | Jun 19 13:17 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: l0de looks like a fairly social person in the interview. Just a hateful jerk as well. | Jun 19 13:17 |
| Ariadne | well his whole "thing" | Jun 19 13:17 |
| Ariadne | is being a racist edgelord troll | Jun 19 13:17 |
| Ariadne | so, i mean | Jun 19 13:17 |
| immibis | as long as he's trolling in favour of the reasonable side | Jun 19 13:19 |
| Ariadne | well, no, really we should all reject his trolling | Jun 19 13:19 |
| Ariadne | but, collectively, the community didn't | Jun 19 13:20 |
| Ariadne | probably because we are in general over andy's shit | Jun 19 13:20 |
| Ariadne | and wanted to see him get utterly demolished | Jun 19 13:20 |
| Ariadne | which i would definitely say happened | Jun 19 13:20 |
| Ariadne | that interview did not go well, really it was a goddamn tragedy | Jun 19 13:20 |
| XRevan86 | https://dm.reddit.com/r/backtickbot/comments/o033su here l0de is described as a quasi-staffer. | Jun 19 13:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dm.reddit.com | https://np.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/nzm272/the_linux_channel_was_seized_by_freenode/h1sx9l6/ : backtickbot | Jun 19 13:21 | |
| Ariadne | but again, if he wants to go on l0de radio hour and get utterly owned, who am i to argue | Jun 19 13:21 |
| XRevan86 | Oh there are allegations that Lee is into cocaine? Is that because he sounds high as heck? | Jun 19 13:23 |
| immibis | XRevan86: yes he was sued over it | Jun 19 13:23 |
| immibis | among other reasons for suing him | Jun 19 13:23 |
| immibis | well, the reason for suing him is he promised to pay some people and didn't | Jun 19 13:24 |
| Ariadne | to be clear: it is *alleged* that he uses cocaine, not *proven* as of yet | Jun 19 13:25 |
| Ariadne | and i dont really care about his coke habit :p | Jun 19 13:25 |
| XRevan86 | He's high on *something* | Jun 19 13:27 |
| XRevan86 | "the freenode autonomous zone" – the hecking what | Jun 19 13:28 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: Have ye ever heard the term "internal ban" before? | Jun 19 13:33 |
| Ariadne | no | Jun 19 13:34 |
| XRevan86 | rasengan on the nickname database purge: "it is what it is" | Jun 19 13:35 |
| XRevan86 | from 18:29 | Jun 19 13:35 |
| XRevan86 | even l0de laughed at that | Jun 19 13:36 |
| XRevan86 | > (00:23:48) rasengan: In the next week or two we're going to continue, ye know, finding toxic channels and closing them down. | Jun 19 13:46 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: danger, danger %) | Jun 19 13:46 |
| XRevan86 | It's not over. | Jun 19 13:46 |
| schestowitz | "Toxic" | Jun 19 13:47 |
| *schestowitz burps up coke | Jun 19 13:47 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | They mean #patents rather than ownership and patents are nor ownership https://www.osborneclarke.com/insights/car-wars-tech-ownership-battles-will-decide-future-leaders-autonomous-vehicles/ | Jun 19 13:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.osborneclarke.com | Car wars: how tech ownership battles will decide the future leaders of autonomous vehicles - Osborne Clarke | Osborne Clarke | Jun 19 13:49 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Fraudsters who run the #EPO pretend to be champions of science by giving prize to actual scientists https://www.socialpost.news/chemist-robert-grass-of-vorarlberg-received-the-european-inventor-prize/ see http://techrights.org/2021/05/04/epo-eia-hush-money/ | Jun 19 13:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.socialpost.news | Chemist Robert Grass of Vorarlberg received the European Inventor Prize | Jun 19 13:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Already Wasting Money on Media Manipulation Campaigns for European Inventor Award | Techrights | Jun 19 13:51 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #patents that kill https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/953229 | Jun 19 13:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.medscape.com | How Patent Extensions Keep Some Drug Costs High | Jun 19 13:53 | |
| *kingoffrance .oO( parallel universe xkcd: "to disable the bomb, simply think of a future where a pay-to-link law will not be abused outside its original scope. you have 10 seconds" kof: ... "kof?" kof: im so sorry ) | Jun 19 13:53 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Patents are not rights, but lawyers love deluding themselves and misleading the public https://www.carpmaels.com/restoring-inadvertently-lapsed-patent-rights-in-europe/ | Jun 19 13:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Restoring inadvertently-lapsed patent rights in Europe - Carpmaels & Ransford | Jun 19 13:55 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | There is no such thing as "EU patent office". This is worse than a joke! https://www.latestly.com/socially/world/europes-top-court-annulled-a-decision-by-the-eu-patent-office-to-limit-the-scope-of-u-s-latest-tweet-by-reuters-2556479.html | Jun 19 13:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Europe's Top Court Annulled a Decision by the EU Patent Office to Limit the Scope of U.S. ... - Latest Tweet by Reuters | 🌎 LatestLY | Jun 19 13:56 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Some of the nutty #patent lawyers want #patents to last for a lifetime https://shelstonip.com/insights/publications/dead-or-alive-statuses-patent-expiries-and-kind-codes-part-1/ see http://techrights.org/2018/04/22/shelston-ip-patent-lobbying/ http://techrights.org/2017/09/22/shelston-ip-swpats-rant/ http://techrights.org/2017/11/15/government-australia-fixes-policy/ http://techrights <clipped message> | Jun 19 14:00 |
| techrights-bot/fn | .org/2016/05/14/australia-kills-softwar | Jun 19 14:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Empty reply from server ( status 0 @ https://shelstonip.com/insights/publications/dead-or-alive-statuses-patent-expiries-and-kind-codes-part-1/ ) | Jun 19 14:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Shelston IP Keeps Pressuring IP Australia to Allow Software Patents and Harm Software Development | Techrights | Jun 19 14:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Shelston IP Blames “Well-Organised and Appropriately-Connected Open Source Lobby” for Ban on Software Patents | Techrights | Jun 19 14:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Australia is Banning Software Patents and Shelston IP is Complaining as Usual | Techrights | Jun 19 14:01 | |
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| techrights-bot/fn | "The problem with all those COVID Zoom meetings was the incredible boredom of listening to people lying about how busy they were with all the work they were doing from home." https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/04/bofh_2021_episode_6/ | Jun 19 14:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | BOFH: I'm so pleased to be on the call, Boss. No, of course this isn't a recording • The Register | Jun 19 14:05 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Microsoft booster surprised? "According to research from Beyond Trust, the total number of vulnerabilities relating to Microsoft products had risen by 48% comparted to 2019. To break the numbers down, I looked to my go-to for vulnerability statistics, Stack Watch." https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2021/06/19/new-windows-10-security-shock-as-1000-vulnerabilities-revealed/ see h <clipped message> | Jun 19 14:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Windows 10 Security: 1,000 Vulnerabilities Surpass Apple and Google | Jun 19 14:09 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, "A global action plan from the World Health Organization has created a stir over a section advising that "women of childbearing age" should be prevented from drinking alcohol." | Jun 19 14:09 |
| schestowitz | off topic | Jun 19 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | Uncle Bill's WHO says women should "be prevented" from drinking alcohol if they're of childbearing age. | Jun 19 14:10 |
| schestowitz | ->>>> -social | Jun 19 14:10 |
| immibis | (he means #boycottnovell-social) | Jun 19 14:11 |
| schestowitz | yes | Jun 19 14:11 |
| schestowitz | we don't talk about women's health and booze here | Jun 19 14:12 |
| schestowitz | it would distract me and everyone else | Jun 19 14:12 |
| schestowitz | I'm doing some gemini-related coding atm | Jun 19 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | More of Uncle Bill's social manipulations, though. | Jun 19 14:12 |
| schestowitz | if someone wants to help, holler | Jun 19 14:12 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: "bill" is in everything | Jun 19 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | Not all of them are strictly technical in nature. | Jun 19 14:12 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: want to code with us? | Jun 19 14:12 |
| schestowitz | I can teach you how to code | Jun 19 14:13 |
| schestowitz | if that can lower the time you spend interjecting racist things into the channel | Jun 19 14:13 |
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| DaemonFC | How is the fact that we've apparently gone long enough for these idiots to have forgotten the lesson of prohibition racist? | Jun 19 14:14 |
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| DaemonFC | Also, they don't want to prohibit _everyone_ from having a drink. Men will be free to do whatever they want. | Jun 19 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | mjg59 should be so proud of being Uncle Bill's water boy. | Jun 19 14:14 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: that's not on tech | Jun 19 14:15 |
| *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights | Jun 19 14:16 | |
| schestowitz | drinking isn't tech | Jun 19 14:16 |
| schestowitz | I just want to keep s/n ratio better | Jun 19 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | Dr. Sadie Boniface of King's College LOndon said it was unfortunate that the "one phrase" got so much attention. | Jun 19 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | Well yeah, the same people who say women are raped if they don't like the man they're in the room with are literally saying women should be forced to do what they want done. | Jun 19 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | This is way beyond social engineering. The WHO exists to stick their fucking nose into national politics behind the scenes and change laws and policies in an anti-democratic fashion. | Jun 19 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | It's a natural fit for Uncle Bill, which is why he gives it more money than the United States government. | Jun 19 14:18 |
| schestowitz | on you go | Jun 19 14:18 |
| schestowitz | I told you to quit pushing OT stuff | Jun 19 14:18 |
| schestowitz | and you do it deliberately | Jun 19 14:18 |
| schestowitz | if you need an outlet, use -social | Jun 19 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, About total vulnerabilities across product lines, that Forbes article makes a bad comparison. | Jun 19 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | Android and Chrome OS are really quite different. | Jun 19 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | iOS and macOS are not so different. Same OS, just stripped way down. | Jun 19 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | If they fix a bug in one, it'll propagate to the other. | Jun 19 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | Also, Chrome OS will have many of the same security issues as Android since it also includes an Android Runtime. | Jun 19 14:29 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #wordpress is becoming something different over time. https://wptavern.com/automattic-acquires-day-one-journaling-app | Jun 19 14:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wptavern.com | Automattic Acquires Day One Journaling App – WordPress Tavern | Jun 19 14:35 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #walmart #surveillance piggybacking #covid19 https://www.pymnts.com/coronavirus/2021/walmart-rolls-out-digital-wallets-for-covid-vaccine-records/ | Jun 19 14:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Walmart Rolls Out Digital Wallets For Vaccines | PYMNTS.com | Jun 19 14:38 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Staying power: the growing impact of PostgreSQL on enterprise marks Postgres Vision 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152465#comment-29993 | Jun 19 14:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PostgreSQL Related Releases | Tux Machines | Jun 19 14:39 | |
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| techrights-bot/fn | 15 things to do after installing #elementaryOS | FOSS Linux ⚓ https://www.fosslinux.com/47529/things-to-do-after-installing-elementary-os.htm ䷉ #fosslinux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/19/#latest | Jun 19 14:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslinux.com | 15 things to do after installing elementary OS | FOSS Linux | Jun 19 14:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 19 14:49 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #HowTo Use a Tablet or Phone as a Second Monitor in #GNU #Linux | Tom's Hardware ⚓ https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/use-tablet-or-phone-second-monitor-linux ䷉ #tomshardware | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/19/#latest | Jun 19 14:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomshardware.com | How to Use a Tablet or Phone as a Second Monitor in Linux | Tom's Hardware | Jun 19 14:50 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | "So far, I have rushed every professional transition in my life: When starting my PhD, when starting my postdoc, when starting my job at DFINITY, and every time I regretted it. So this time, I will take a proper break and will explore the world a bit (as far as that is possible given the pandemic)." http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/780-Leaving_DFINITY | Jun 19 14:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.joachim-breitner.de | Leaving DFINITY – Blog – Joachim Breitner's Homepage | Jun 19 14:57 | |
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| techrights-bot/fn | " #GCompris is a high quality educational software suite, including a large number of activities for children aged 2 to 10, some of the activities are game orientated, but nonetheless still educational." https://hadron43.wordpress.com/2021/06/18/gsoc21-week-1-building-a-solid-base/ | Jun 19 15:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hadron43.wordpress.com | GSoC’21 Week 1 : Building a solid base – hadron43 | Jun 19 15:00 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Bluestar 5.12.11 released. https://sourceforge.net/projects/bluestarlinux/ #gnu #linux | Jun 19 15:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BluestarLinux download | SourceForge.net | Jun 19 15:01 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #GFX1013 Target Added To #LLVM 13.0 For RDNA2 APUs - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LLVM-13.0-GFX1013 ䷉ #Phoronix #programming | Jun 19 15:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GFX1013 Target Added To LLVM 13.0 For RDNA2 APUs - Phoronix | Jun 19 15:02 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152466 | Jun 19 15:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jun 19 15:02 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | 10 reasons to stick with #MySQL • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152467 | Jun 19 15:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 reasons to stick with MySQL | Tux Machines | Jun 19 15:03 | |
| MinceR | 19 065049 <~schestowitz> what's even the meaning of "rasengan"? | Jun 19 15:03 |
| MinceR | https://i.redd.it/xsweh3uiiah41.jpg | Jun 19 15:03 |
| schestowitz | rose garden | Jun 19 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart rolled out anti-Spamsung Pay (also no NFC, so no Apple or Google either) terminals so that people would give up and use their Walmart Pay app. | Jun 19 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | Why are people even trying to pay with a phone so that half the time the terminal can go "ONK ONK ONK ERROR DUMBASS ONK ONK USE YOUR CARD!"? | Jun 19 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | I'm just glad that Walmart blocked it because people learned pretty fast that their phone won't work and it sped up the line. | Jun 19 15:09 |
| XRevan86 | 1. MariaDB is more FOSS; 2. MariaDB is more compatible than Oracle MySQL 8.0, so no again; 3. PostgreSQL and MariaDB are on a par with "workflow control". 4. PostgreSQL and MariaDB are on a par on transactions. 5 This is dumb. 6. I'm pretty sure the statement is not backed with actual measurement. 7. Did someone say "Galera"? 8. "enterprise firewalls to deal with attacks like SQL injection" says it al | Jun 19 15:09 |
| XRevan86 | l. 9. I don't actually know anything about webinars, so I'll give it that. 10. That's just a blog, no? MariaDB has a similiar thing. | Jun 19 15:09 |
| XRevan86 | 10 reasons to stick with MySQL, though the same reasons could be drawn NOT to stick with MySQL. | Jun 19 15:10 |
| XRevan86 | they're just vague or basic enough to be like that | Jun 19 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, "ONK ONK ONK YOU'RE A FUCKING RETARD! ONK ONK! $1,649 for an iPhone and Apple Pay just pisses everyone off. ONK ONK!!!!" | Jun 19 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | I like this credit card terminal for some reason..... | Jun 19 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | It's providing negative feedback to the moron in an unmistakable an embarrassing tone that chastises them for doing something totally stupid. | Jun 19 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | The world needs more of this. | Jun 19 15:12 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe compared to something like Oracle DB this reasons have some ground, but with MariaDB and PostgreSQL? Nah. | Jun 19 15:12 |
| MinceR | 19 144632 < XRevan86> schestowitz: danger, danger %) | Jun 19 15:13 |
| MinceR | we can just move the other side then | Jun 19 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The only problem is that iPhone users are raging narcissists that either fail to pick up on the cue that everyone around them hates them and is annoyed, or a psychopath that wouldn't care even if they did know, or both. | Jun 19 15:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Dang, now I can't wait. | Jun 19 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | MARISOL clones. | Jun 19 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | For the cost difference between an iPhone and an Android phone, you could pay your entire phone bill for the next 4 years. | Jun 19 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | That's how fucking stupid these people are. | Jun 19 15:14 |
| MinceR | 19 160925 < DaemonFC> Why are people even trying to pay with a phone so that half the time the terminal can go "ONK ONK ONK ERROR DUMBASS ONK ONK USE YOUR CARD!"? | Jun 19 15:14 |
| MinceR | they want malware to steal their card details and money | Jun 19 15:15 |
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| immibis | DaemonFC: are you literally defending a megacorp trying to achieve vendor lockin? | Jun 19 15:15 |
| immibis | phone vendor lockin is shady, but that's nothing compared to locking you into one store for your purchases | Jun 19 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | Apple is good for privacy. I'm sure that will come as a relief for all of those iClown users who have their sex tapes on BitTorrent forever now. | Jun 19 15:15 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 19 15:16 |
| MinceR | crApple cultists continued to claim crApple supports their privacy oh so well even after that | Jun 19 15:16 |
| MinceR | it's just another meaningless word as far as they're concerned | Jun 19 15:16 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Just like "free speech" to the k-line prince? | Jun 19 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | Let's see. Where can I upload my files......where it gets scanned.....to see if the government can use them against me in court.....and maybe they get leaked and used to smear me or as ID theft? | Jun 19 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | Oh, iCloud......GOOOOOD! | Jun 19 15:17 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: seems so | Jun 19 15:17 |
| immibis | your files are safe from everyone except apple | Jun 19 15:17 |
| MinceR | and anyone who breaks into apple's systems | Jun 19 15:18 |
| immibis | that's implied | Jun 19 15:18 |
| immibis | and anyone with authority over apple | Jun 19 15:18 |
| techrights-bot/fn | " #EasyOS inherits the various #PuppyLinux network connection tools, including SNS, Frisbee, GPRS and PupDial, managed by the Internet Connection Wizard. The Wizard can be launched via right-click on the desktop "connect" icon, or via the "Setup" menu." https://bkhome.org/news/202106/internet-connection-wizard-deprecated.html #gnu #linux | Jun 19 15:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | Internet Connection Wizard deprecated | Jun 19 15:20 | |
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| techrights-bot/fn | "A Kubernetes sandbox project has begun to find a niche in enterprise IT organizations via #OpenShift Virtualization, despite criticisms from analysts." [sic] (paid-for shills) ttps://searchitoperations.techtarget.com/news/252502644/OpenShift-Virtualization-gives-KubeVirt-enterprise-foothold | Jun 19 15:22 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Congress Weighs a Moratorium on #FacialRecognition and #Biometric #Surveillance Technologies https://reason.com/2021/06/15/congress-weighs-a-moratorium-on-facial-recognition-and-biometric-surveillance-technologies/ | Jun 19 15:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Congress Weighs a Moratorium on Facial Recognition and Biometric Surveillance Technologies – Reason.com | Jun 19 15:23 | |
| MinceR | Mountains aren't just funny, they are hill areas | Jun 19 15:23 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Bubble in the making with possibly #fakepatents https://stockstelegraph.com/2021/06/18/entera-bio-ltd-entx-stock-skyrockets-after-being-granted-european-patent/ #epo gives many #patents without validity https://techrights.org/2018/05/08/when-granting-patents-in-error-forward-pharma-and-boa-ptab/ | Jun 19 15:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stockstelegraph.com | Entera Bio, Ltd. (ENTX) Stock Skyrockets After Being Granted European Patent | Stocks Telegraph | Jun 19 15:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Forward Pharma an Example of the Devastating Effect of Granting Patents in Error — A Problem Appeal Boards Must Correct | Techrights | Jun 19 15:24 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | There is no such thing as "EU patent office"; this is the second time this past week that I see this error https://www.streetwisereports.com/article/2021/06/17/entera-bio-granted-patent-for-oral-parathyroid-hormone-by-eu-patent-authority.html | Jun 19 15:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.streetwisereports.com | Entera Bio Granted Patent for Oral Parathyroid Hormone by EU Patent Authority | Jun 19 15:26 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | "One thing NFTs, DeFi and dApps share—like cryptocurrencies, they lack regulatory oversight and are subject to controversy, hacks and fraud." Wow... you don't say... https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/blockchain-innovations-and-real-estate-9780188/ | Jun 19 15:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Blockchain Innovations and Real Estate: NFTs, DeFis and dApps | Pillsbury - Gravel2Gavel Construction & Real Estate Law - JDSupra | Jun 19 15:27 | |
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| psydroid | https://www.reuters.com/business/german-state-bavaria-talks-with-intel-chip-megafactory-2021-06-18/ | Jun 19 15:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-German state of Bavaria in talks with Intel on chip megafactory | Reuters | Jun 19 15:32 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Could gaming help treat depression and anxiety? https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/people/arid-40316255.html "in a co-ordinated centre of research excellence." | Jun 19 15:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.irishexaminer.com | Could gaming help treat depression and anxiety? | Jun 19 15:33 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Commercial video games could help treat mental health issues: Study | Lifestyle ⚓ https://www.devdiscourse.com/article/lifestyle/1616886-commercial-video-games-could-help-treat-mental-health-issues-study ䷉ #devdiscourse | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/19/#latest | Jun 19 15:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.devdiscourse.com | Commercial video games could help treat mental health issues: Study | Lifestyle | Jun 19 15:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 19 15:34 | |
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| gustaf | schestowitz: I like the new text log format | Jun 19 16:07 |
| gustaf | I have a lot of issues with Gemini but mandating UTF-8 was a good move | Jun 19 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | Windows has always had weird UTF-8 issues that are only now being addressed. | Jun 19 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | That was one of the reasons they didn't bother supporting id3v2.4 until recently. | Jun 19 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | Long after nobody bothered using it and kept using 2.3 for compatibility reasons (with Windows). | Jun 19 16:09 |
| psydroid | that's one of the many reasons why Windows is unusable to me, I need UTF-8 as the most basic level of support for scripts and languages | Jun 19 16:15 |
| gustaf | yeah Windows jumped on UTF-16 too soon^ym | Jun 19 16:17 |
| gustaf | Java too IIRC | Jun 19 16:17 |
| MinceR | no, they use UCS-2, sadly | Jun 19 16:17 |
| MinceR | it's missing surrogate pairs | Jun 19 16:17 |
| MinceR | or at least they jumped on that | Jun 19 16:17 |
| MinceR | maybe they switched to UTF-16 | Jun 19 16:17 |
| MinceR | which can represent all the code points, but is a pretty horrible hack | Jun 19 16:17 |
| gustaf | MinceR: I honestly don't know anymore | Jun 19 16:17 |
| gustaf | I once fucked up a customer deployment by editing a config file and forgetting the BOM | Jun 19 16:18 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 19 16:18 |
| MinceR | also, people using CJK might not be all that happy about mandating unicode, thanks to han unification | Jun 19 16:19 |
| gustaf | yeah not gonna touch that fucking can of worms | Jun 19 16:23 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 19 16:23 |
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| XRevan86 | So, I actually finished the interview, and I can't tell if l0de was mocking rasengan or not. | Jun 19 16:45 |
| XRevan86 | At least to some extent he definitely did. | Jun 19 16:45 |
| XRevan86 | Lots of good stuff, I even took the time to quote it: https://www.linux.org.ru/forum/talks/16344951?cid=16377247 | Jun 19 16:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.org.ru | Надоели паникёры — Talks — Форум | Jun 19 16:47 | |
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| immibis | I think he was | Jun 19 16:56 |
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| XRevan86 | Also rasengan made some hints at undermining projects, and with context he probably means Debian. | Jun 19 17:02 |
| psydroid | Why would he do that? | Jun 19 17:08 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: Because he likes Debian, and he wants to liberate everything he likes from existence. | Jun 19 17:08 |
| MinceR | i think debian will manage that on its own | Jun 19 17:10 |
| immibis | psydroid: he claims debian steals money and fame from its actual developers | Jun 19 17:12 |
| MinceR | oh, that was about debian? | Jun 19 17:12 |
| XRevan86 | immibis: Oh, that was about Debian? | Jun 19 17:13 |
| *XRevan86 read MinceR's message afterwards. | Jun 19 17:14 | |
| XRevan86 | What, at least I capitalise letters. | Jun 19 17:14 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 19 17:14 |
| MinceR | debian is officially lowercase in the logo | Jun 19 17:14 |
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| psydroid | XRevan86, maybe he should liberate IBM, Canonical, Google, Apple and Microsoft first | Jun 19 17:22 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: Hopefully Apple | Jun 19 17:22 |
| MinceR | "you know, it's not like i know what i'm talking about" | Jun 19 17:24 |
| MinceR | one of the best sentences so far | Jun 19 17:24 |
| psydroid | lol | Jun 19 17:24 |
| XRevan86 | ye know what I'm saying? | Jun 19 17:26 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: huh? | Jun 19 17:26 |
| MinceR | he doesn't use "ye" though :> | Jun 19 17:26 |
| CrystalMath | who said it? | Jun 19 17:26 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: rasengan | Jun 19 17:26 |
| CrystalMath | heh | Jun 19 17:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ye don't know that, the vowel is unstressed :P | Jun 19 17:27 |
| psydroid | not bringing the Matrix bridge back up makes things pretty inconvenient to me | Jun 19 17:27 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: Considering how freenode throttles even simple people… | Jun 19 17:28 |
| XRevan86 | I think bringing the bridge back is can be a challenge to Matrix.org | Jun 19 17:28 |
| MinceR | psydroid: maybe we could have a channel-level matrix bridge (like the bridge we have now) | Jun 19 17:28 |
| XRevan86 | s/back is/back up/ | Jun 19 17:28 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: We definitely can. All we need is someone to be on the other side. | Jun 19 17:28 |
| XRevan86 | unlike the Matrix-IRC integration, regular bridges bridge separate rooms, they don't bridge op statuses and such | Jun 19 17:29 |
| MinceR | i'd rather not have to take care of the matrix side though | Jun 19 17:29 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: We could have a channel-level matrix bridge, but we don't wanna bother, yes | Jun 19 17:30 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 19 17:30 |
| XRevan86 | Also we could just bridge LC and use that for integration. | Jun 19 17:30 |
| XRevan86 | that would be much easier | Jun 19 17:30 |
| XRevan86 | then Matrix users would just join #techrights:libera.chat | Jun 19 17:31 |
| MinceR | and then get cancelled by matrix.org admins and libera ircops at the same time | Jun 19 17:33 |
| MinceR | 2 for the price of 1 | Jun 19 17:33 |
| XRevan86 | I'm actually curious if libera.chat is a Matrix server-ish in its own right. | Jun 19 17:33 |
| XRevan86 | or if it uses something from Matrix.org for bridging | Jun 19 17:34 |
| CrystalMath | the freenode matrix bridge will come back | Jun 19 17:34 |
| CrystalMath | although, techrights might also want to run its own matrix bridge | Jun 19 17:34 |
| CrystalMath | depending on other people is meh | Jun 19 17:34 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: And its own Matrix server? %) | Jun 19 17:35 |
| psydroid | it's a bit heavy on resources from what I've read | Jun 19 17:35 |
| XRevan86 | Wait… if Libera Chat can do it… maybe techrights can do it too? | Jun 19 17:35 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: well idk just a bridge would suffice i think | Jun 19 17:35 |
| psydroid | so here I am connected using Conversations and Dino | Jun 19 17:35 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: same | Jun 19 17:35 |
| MinceR | i'm connected using irssi | Jun 19 17:36 |
| CrystalMath | +1 MinceR :D | Jun 19 17:36 |
| psydroid | and profanity if I want the irssi-like experience | Jun 19 17:36 |
| XRevan86 | I mean, to have @appservice:techrights.org just like @appservice:libera.chat | Jun 19 17:37 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: Do ye know anything about that? | Jun 19 17:37 |
| XRevan86 | i.e. self-hosting matrix-appservice-irc and making things be really cool | Jun 19 17:38 |
| XRevan86 | That would be way better than some bridge. | Jun 19 17:40 |
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| MinceR | i'm considering switching to weechat though | Jun 19 18:17 |
| MinceR | the issues i have with it seem not that difficult to fix | Jun 19 18:17 |
| MinceR | a lot easier than making irssi manage the screen as well as weechat does :> | Jun 19 18:17 |
| Ariadne | i dont really want to deploy synapse on techrights.org | Jun 19 18:46 |
| MinceR | :) | Jun 19 18:46 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: Is it needed for the integration to work? | Jun 19 18:46 |
| Ariadne | yes | Jun 19 18:47 |
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| XRevan86 | O.K., then I'm back to that the best place to get Matrix bridging is Libera Chat. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| Ariadne | why do we care about matrix? | Jun 19 18:48 |
| MinceR | i do not | Jun 19 18:48 |
| XRevan86 | dunno, it was brought up | Jun 19 18:48 |
| Ariadne | matrix is a shitshow in terms of abuse mitigation | Jun 19 18:48 |
| Ariadne | i would rather not deal with it | Jun 19 18:49 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: What if Matrix but actually a front to IRC :) | Jun 19 18:49 |
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| gustaf | MinceR: I'm evaluating weechat vs irssi too | Jun 19 19:41 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: i said something incorrect yesterday, it seems that l0de (the interviewer) is not freenode staff, a helper, or anything | Jun 19 20:32 |
| CrystalMath | so i just wish to correct that, i was looking at some other channel and saw he has ops, and i thought it was #freenode because of similar people | Jun 19 20:32 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: I've seen this: https://dm.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/nzm272/the_linux_channel_was_seized_by_freenode/h1sx9l6/ | Jun 19 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dm.reddit.com | kiedtl comments on The ##linux channel was seized by Freenode | Jun 19 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: that does not help :-) | Jun 19 20:41 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: if you scroll up a bit, or check logs, you will see what Ariadne knows of l0de | Jun 19 20:42 |
| schestowitz | and for Lee to associate with those types... where to begin | Jun 19 20:42 |
| schestowitz | ? | Jun 19 20:42 |
| gustaf | I thought l0de was staff too tbh | Jun 19 20:45 |
| XRevan86 | To me it doesn't matter much as during the interview strangely enough l0de looked like the more reasonable one. | Jun 19 20:45 |
| gustaf | but it's all a mess over there | Jun 19 20:46 |
| XRevan86 | So if that's the level, it just can't get any worse. | Jun 19 20:46 |
| gustaf | XRevan86: l0de sounds like he's been an accomplished troll for decades | Jun 19 20:46 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: i disagree, l0de sounds somewhat hateful | Jun 19 20:46 |
| XRevan86 | It's possible that I've forgotten to factor in the factor of sociopathy. | Jun 19 20:47 |
| CrystalMath | Andrew Lee is way better, he is honest, and he has a vision that he follows | Jun 19 20:47 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: That is indeed true. I just looked at who has a better functioning brain, which is not the deciding factor. | Jun 19 20:48 |
| XRevan86 | Andrew is caught up in double-think and really strange reasoning. | Jun 19 20:49 |
| XRevan86 | borderline paranoid | Jun 19 20:49 |
| gustaf | paranoia would explain a lot | Jun 19 20:50 |
| XRevan86 | I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when he said that the former staff was plotting against him, but he just keeps making new Enemies of IRC. | Jun 19 20:52 |
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| gustaf | I can posit that Lee meant well to begin with but he's been palling around with some nihilistic trolls that were perfectly happy to burn it all down | Jun 19 20:52 |
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| XRevan86 | gustaf: If it weren't his idea, he still internalised and accepted it. | Jun 19 20:53 |
| gustaf | XRevan86: yeah I'm not excusing anything he's done, just trying to find a reason | Jun 19 20:54 |
| XRevan86 | technical and social debt my arse | Jun 19 20:54 |
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| XRevan86 | I can imagine what "social debt" means: the existing mechanisms for FOSS projects that were in the foundation of freenode operations. | Jun 19 20:56 |
| XRevan86 | That's not the right social hierarchy for the new freenode. | Jun 19 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: true | Jun 19 21:01 |
| MinceR | ah yes, a vision in which the USA has no rule of law and enforces religious rules on its population | Jun 19 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | I think the vision is accessible IRC. | Jun 19 21:08 |
| XRevan86 | That is sure to fail with freenode as baggage. | Jun 19 21:08 |
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| AdmFubar | https://hackaday.com/2021/06/19/1700-regulatory-approvals-revoked-in-south-korea/ | Jun 19 21:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-1700 Regulatory Approvals Revoked In South Korea | Hackaday | Jun 19 21:25 | |
| immibis | someone will surely relate that to vaccines. in #boycottnovell-social | Jun 19 21:27 |
| immibis | why isn't it #techrights-social? | Jun 19 21:29 |
| immibis | or just #social? | Jun 19 21:29 |
| kingoffrance | MinceR, thats why "its a new world" in the motd is troubling | Jun 19 21:30 |
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| AdmFubar | https://www.salon.com/2021/06/19/american-workers-are-refusing-to-take-bad-jobs--and-thats-good-for-everyone-economists-say/ | Jun 19 21:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-American workers are refusing to take bad jobs — and that's good for everyone, economists say | Salon.com | Jun 19 21:39 | |
| MinceR | XRevan86: there are other networks | Jun 19 21:39 |
| MinceR | kingoffrance: meh, it's only an irc network | Jun 19 21:39 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Not to Andrew. | Jun 19 21:39 |
| MinceR | sucks to be him | Jun 19 21:39 |
| kingoffrance | MinceR, sure, just wonder where stuff comes from is all; alone is just marketing; added with other stuff, you are probably not far off | Jun 19 21:41 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: what happened to rizon though? | Jun 19 21:42 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Still being the seventh largest network. | Jun 19 21:43 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: and Andrew is an ircop there, afaik | Jun 19 21:45 |
| XRevan86 | freenode has 25088 users, ircnet has 24494 users | Jun 19 21:49 |
| XRevan86 | the freenode's user count seems to have stabilised, so it's still the second-largest network. | Jun 19 21:50 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Rizon is somewhere I've never gone. | Jun 19 21:50 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.snopes.com/ap/2021/06/19/western-heat-wave-threatens-health-in-vulnerable-communities/ | Jun 19 21:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Western Heat Wave Threatens Health in Vulnerable Communities | Snopes.com | Jun 19 21:51 | |
| XRevan86 | The top channels on Rizon are some kind of trash. | Jun 19 21:54 |
| MinceR | the most popular things tend to be trash | Jun 19 21:54 |
| *XRevan86 looks at https://netsplit.de/channels/?net=Libera.Chat | Jun 19 21:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE | Jun 19 21:55 | |
| XRevan86 | > ##freenode | Jun 19 21:55 |
| CrystalMath | yeah | Jun 19 21:55 |
| XRevan86 | maybe ye're right %) | Jun 19 21:55 |
| CrystalMath | they want to close that down | Jun 19 21:55 |
| CrystalMath | just shows how liberal they really are | Jun 19 21:55 |
| CrystalMath | libera.chat = SJW garbage | Jun 19 21:55 |
| CrystalMath | they can't even spell liberia properly | Jun 19 21:56 |
| MinceR | how do you know they didn't want to name themselves after a roman goddess? | Jun 19 21:56 |
| *XRevan86 will go check out #libera at freenode | Jun 19 21:57 | |
| XRevan86 | No topic? Huh. | Jun 19 21:58 |
| CrystalMath | yeah it disappeared during the reset | Jun 19 21:58 |
| schestowitz | the purge | Jun 19 21:59 |
| schestowitz | 'cancel culture' | Jun 19 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | > You can find us using /pee (shows immediately-available staff) or /who freenode/staff/* (shows all staff) | Jun 19 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | Now that's just weird. | Jun 19 22:00 |
| MinceR | 19 230026 [freenode2] -!- PEE Unknown command | Jun 19 22:00 |
| AdmFubar | this will probably end poorly https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/18/vs_2022/ | Jun 19 22:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Microsoft: Try to break our first preview of 64-bit Visual Studio – go on, we dare you • The Register | Jun 19 22:00 | |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 19 22:00 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That's on Libera | Jun 19 22:00 |
| XRevan86 | in the ##freenode topic | Jun 19 22:01 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 19 22:01 |
| AdmFubar | sounds like they've become the golden shower network....:/ | Jun 19 22:02 |
| XRevan86 | AdmFubar: No, that's pissnet | Jun 19 22:02 |
| gustaf | it's a reference to pissnet, the joke IRC network set up | Jun 19 22:02 |
| XRevan86 | a totally different network | Jun 19 22:02 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: on l0de radio hour people were shouting "link to pissnet!" | Jun 19 22:02 |
| CrystalMath | that was funny | Jun 19 22:02 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: I was trying not to look at the chat as it was weird as heck. Probably violates YouTube's ToS. | Jun 19 22:03 |
| MinceR | 19 230208 < AdmFubar> sounds like they've become the golden shower network....:/ | Jun 19 22:03 |
| MinceR | just what trump wanted | Jun 19 22:03 |
| AdmFubar | https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/18/poltergeist_autonomous_vehicles/ | Jun 19 22:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Poltergeist attack could leave autonomous vehicles blind to obstacles – or haunt them with new ones • The Register | Jun 19 22:04 | |
| XRevan86 | did someone say the freenode autonomous zone | Jun 19 22:04 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: oh my internet was WAY too dead to manage to actually *see* l0de | Jun 19 22:06 |
| schestowitz | freenode as a brand died very quickly | Jun 19 22:07 |
| CrystalMath | but joined the channel :D | Jun 19 22:07 |
| schestowitz | took decades to build | Jun 19 22:07 |
| schestowitz | days to ruin | Jun 19 22:07 |
| CrystalMath | my internet yesterday was like 0 KB/s | Jun 19 22:07 |
| CrystalMath | that's what it said | Jun 19 22:07 |
| CrystalMath | it was literally 7 Kbit/s | Jun 19 22:07 |
| CrystalMath | and IRC still worked like a charm! | Jun 19 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Hostile take-overs can perform miracles. | Jun 19 22:08 |
| CrystalMath | actually when the liberians started controlling everything and shutting down right-wing discussion, the user count started dropping | Jun 19 22:09 |
| CrystalMath | that was way back | Jun 19 22:09 |
| CrystalMath | 2016-ish | Jun 19 22:09 |
| activelow | democracy and public debates are in bad condition almost everywhere: internet, TV, newspapers | Jun 19 22:13 |
| activelow | it is rarely possible anymore to source relevant facts above noise floor | Jun 19 22:13 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/south-koreas-nuclear-research-agency-breached-using-vpn-flaw/ | Jun 19 22:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | South Korea's Nuclear Research agency breached using VPN flaw | Jun 19 22:14 | |
| schestowitz | proprietary | Jun 19 22:16 |
| schestowitz | I am guessing they also use Windows | Jun 19 22:16 |
| schestowitz | with back doors | Jun 19 22:16 |
| schestowitz | but would rather blame "VPN" | Jun 19 22:16 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/your-iphones-wifi-will-break-after-you-join-this-hotspot/ | Jun 19 22:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Your iPhone's WiFi will break after you join this hotspot | Jun 19 22:16 | |
| AdmFubar | well of course it is windows...it would mention another os if it was .. | Jun 19 22:17 |
| AdmFubar | windows is never mentioned when it is broken | Jun 19 22:18 |
| activelow | iirc critical infrastructure (railway etc.) were the domain of telco, X.25 and such | Jun 19 22:18 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/tinder-spam-campaign-hides-handwritten-links-in-profile-images/ | Jun 19 22:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Tinder spam campaign hides "handwritten" links in profile images | Jun 19 22:19 | |
| CrystalMath | i wish the scrollback was longer | Jun 19 22:26 |
| CrystalMath | now i can't see what i wrote last night | Jun 19 22:26 |
| CrystalMath | nor the link to the interview | Jun 19 22:26 |
| CrystalMath | that i posted here :( | Jun 19 22:26 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: https://youtu.be/QHsbUBA-j_c | Jun 19 22:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LRH 499.7 - WTCNØDE - YouTube | Jun 19 22:27 | |
| MinceR | lrh keeps reminding me of l. ron hubbard | Jun 19 22:28 |
| CrystalMath | well, my internet is now 5 KB/s | Jun 19 22:32 |
| CrystalMath | let's find the crappiest possible quality for that video | Jun 19 22:32 |
| CrystalMath | okay i can just give up on the video and do audio | Jun 19 22:33 |
| CrystalMath | format 139 ought to work | Jun 19 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Re: Stallman Support | Jun 19 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > > Hard at work. Will update you soon on the "war"! :-) | Jun 19 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 19 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > They now attack the copyrights of FSF. Many are IBM employees. | Jun 19 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 19 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 19 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > Not surprised. When all of this started in 2019, the Red Hat GNU | Jun 19 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > developers showed off their colours. The best way to attack an | Jun 19 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > organisation is from the inside. Using GNU developers was a dead | Jun 19 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > giveaway. Google and Microsoft are very much on the team with IBM. I | Jun 19 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > believe they've made headway into the Free/Libre software community and | Jun 19 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > have persuaded senior Debianties to go along with them. | Jun 19 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 19 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > The strategy to target major distributions is clear and present danger. | Jun 19 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > I'm not sure what arguments of persuasion are being used, but I'm pretty | Jun 19 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > sure their main tool is currency. RMS needs a lot of strategic support | Jun 19 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > from experts who will rally to the Free Software cause. He needs great | Jun 19 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > lawyers, some corporate minds, and intelligence specialists. | Jun 19 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 19 22:34 |
| schestowitz | [22:26] <CrystalMath> i wish the scrollback was longer | Jun 19 22:35 |
| schestowitz | we post daily logs | Jun 19 22:35 |
| CrystalMath | yes but too late :P | Jun 19 22:35 |
| schestowitz | you can also use gemini://gemini.techrights.org/chat/ | Jun 19 22:35 |
| CrystalMath | so there's a gap | Jun 19 22:35 |
| schestowitz | or http://techrights.org/irc | Jun 19 22:35 |
| CrystalMath | the scrollback should also cover a day then | Jun 19 22:35 |
| schestowitz | you want a longer one than this? | Jun 19 22:35 |
| schestowitz | I can adjust parameters | Jun 19 22:35 |
| CrystalMath | it would be cool | Jun 19 22:35 |
| schestowitz | wait | Jun 19 22:35 |
| schestowitz | but how many lines? 500? 1000? | Jun 19 22:36 |
| CrystalMath | i guess 1,000 should cover it? | Jun 19 22:37 |
| schestowitz | try again in 5 minutes | Jun 19 22:38 |
| CrystalMath | okay :) | Jun 19 22:38 |
| CrystalMath | thanks | Jun 19 22:38 |
| AdmFubar | network throughput on sundays sucks....everyone is streaming | Jun 19 22:40 |
| schestowitz | I am?! | Jun 19 22:41 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Jun 19 22:41 |
| MinceR | i am not | Jun 19 22:41 |
| schestowitz | first time i hear such a thing | Jun 19 22:42 |
| schestowitz | during weekday many businesses do b/w-intensive things | Jun 19 22:42 |
| AdmFubar | everyone in town must be streaming sports... | Jun 19 22:43 |
| AdmFubar | it is always a lil slow for me | Jun 19 22:43 |
| AdmFubar | rest of the week is fine | Jun 19 22:43 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: forgot to apply the changes, another 5 mins | Jun 19 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | freenode has just fixed the kiwiirc thing | Jun 19 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | but something is broken | Jun 19 22:45 |
| schestowitz | OK, it is DEFINITELY broken | Jun 19 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | I tried several times | Jun 19 22:46 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jun 19 22:46 |
| schestowitz | total incompetence | Jun 19 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | CrystalMath: it's ready now | Jun 19 22:47 |
| CrystalMath | okay, thanks :) | Jun 19 22:47 |
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| activelow | reason enough to question the wisdom of attaching critical infra to internet: https://blog.apnic.net/2019/01/16/bgp-in-2018-the-bgp-table/ | Jun 19 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.apnic.net | BGP in 2018 — The BGP Table | APNIC Blog | Jun 19 22:49 | |
| activelow | "In terms of the size of the routing table, it’s as if the exhaustion of IPv4 addresses has not happened at all" | Jun 19 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Internet isn't the sole issue | Jun 19 22:50 |
| schestowitz | some plug windows into the internet | Jun 19 22:50 |
| schestowitz | and then just blame 'internet' | Jun 19 22:50 |
| activelow | ok. whenever some critical infrastructure was attacked i am thinking of something else first: the backbone network in place. | Jun 19 22:51 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: you don't have to troll in this channel, lee isn't around to give a reaction | Jun 19 22:54 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: what did i do? what is your problem? | Jun 19 22:55 |
| immibis | <CrystalMath> they want to close that down | Jun 19 22:55 |
| immibis | <CrystalMath> just shows how liberal they really are | Jun 19 22:55 |
| immibis | <CrystalMath> libera.chat = SJW garbage | Jun 19 22:55 |
| immibis | <CrystalMath> they can't even spell liberia properly | Jun 19 22:55 |
| CrystalMath | that's how i feel | Jun 19 22:56 |
| CrystalMath | illibera is awful | Jun 19 22:56 |
| CrystalMath | and schestowitz explained in a video why | Jun 19 22:56 |
| schestowitz | I got in trouble for it | Jun 19 22:56 |
| immibis | what do you think of this stuff someone wrote about debating right-wingers? https://gist.github.com/joepie91/a50b72a8ca842944b40de3c2cdf776f6 | Jun 19 22:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gist.github.com | alt-right-bans.md · GitHub | Jun 19 22:56 | |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: you shouldn't be! | Jun 19 22:57 |
| CrystalMath | because you are right | Jun 19 22:57 |
| CrystalMath | and that has nothing to do with freenode | Jun 19 22:57 |
| schestowitz | I see a Microsoft link, immibis | Jun 19 22:57 |
| CrystalMath | when libera is bad, libera is bad, end of story | Jun 19 22:57 |
| CrystalMath | that has zero to do with freenode | Jun 19 22:57 |
| immibis | would you prefer me to paste the entire thing here? | Jun 19 22:57 |
| schestowitz | LC: hosted by Microsoft, coded on Microsoft's proprietary platform... | Jun 19 22:57 |
| schestowitz | blogging on Microsoft.... proprietary platform | Jun 19 22:58 |
| schestowitz | that to me says a lot | Jun 19 22:58 |
| schestowitz | microsoft= freedom | Jun 19 22:58 |
| immibis | ircd-seven is a microsoft proprietary platform? | Jun 19 22:58 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: github | Jun 19 22:58 |
| schestowitz | no, the ircd is not Microsoft | Jun 19 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft sells kleylogger | Jun 19 22:58 |
| schestowitz | called 'teams' | Jun 19 22:58 |
| CrystalMath | microsoft should write a comic-based ircd :P | Jun 19 22:58 |
| immibis | ah, well github is an easily replaceable dependency for some groups, just like freenode is easily replaceable | Jun 19 22:58 |
| schestowitz | and they keep rebranding skype | Jun 19 22:58 |
| saint_dogbert/fn | immibis; that text is nothing but SJW nonsense IMO | Jun 19 22:59 |
| schestowitz | to fake 'growth' and 'share' | Jun 19 22:59 |
| immibis | so is azure if you are just using it to host servers (as opposed to lockin features) | Jun 19 22:59 |
| activelow | the emergence of skype and such was linked to telco loosing control over infrastructure too | Jun 19 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | freenode was also github | Jun 19 22:59 |
| schestowitz | but I talked to Lee and they created their gitLAB site at git.freenode.net | Jun 19 22:59 |
| schestowitz | of course FN is a catastrophe all in all | Jun 19 22:59 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: your link does point to a hateful disgusting pile of SJW filth | Jun 19 22:59 |
| schestowitz | but for code hosting they moved in the rigth direction | Jun 19 23:00 |
| saint_dogbert/fn | immibis: Is that really how Libera feels? | Jun 19 23:01 |
| schestowitz | "why alt-right rhetoric gets you banned." | Jun 19 23:01 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: and it is a perfect demonstration of why people should NEVER connect to libtardia.crap | Jun 19 23:01 |
| schestowitz | The "rhetoric" part if troubling | Jun 19 23:01 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: any specifics? Or do you just resort to attempting insults? (as if SJW is an insult among anyone outside the right wing... most of us just know it as an indication that the person saying it is right-wing and doesn't like the person they're talking about) | Jun 19 23:01 |
| schestowitz | rhetoric is vague | Jun 19 23:01 |
| immibis | saint_dogbert: no this is just some random person | Jun 19 23:01 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: i need to explain why this is disgusting? this text ASSERTS that some ideologies are right, and some are wrong, and says debate about that is forbidden | Jun 19 23:01 |
| schestowitz | so if someone just feels like you might relay some view that resembles something, BANNED | Jun 19 23:01 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: what part of that does NOT make you want to puke? | Jun 19 23:01 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: well, the part where you just rejected the existence of objective truth makes me want to puke | Jun 19 23:02 |
| MinceR | i guess believing that male persons and white people shouldn't be killed just for they are is also something that makes someone "right wing" | Jun 19 23:02 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: objective truth isn't the same as garbage some commie trash thinks up in a minute | Jun 19 23:02 |
| schestowitz | there is not always an objective truth | Jun 19 23:02 |
| schestowitz | same for ethics | Jun 19 23:03 |
| CrystalMath | exactly ^ | Jun 19 23:03 |
| schestowitz | so we need to be 'flexy' to some unsoothing opinions | Jun 19 23:03 |
| schestowitz | not just BAN | Jun 19 23:03 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: some ideologies are simply wrong. The ideology which says the sky is made by aliens and the stars are encoding a message warning us of their impending invasion, is simply wrong | Jun 19 23:03 |
| CrystalMath | or the way i like to say it, there is an objective truth, but it's unreachable for us | Jun 19 23:03 |
| schestowitz | in some areas we do not know the truth | Jun 19 23:03 |
| schestowitz | we form theorie | Jun 19 23:03 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: well even regarding such stuff like that, UFOs and the like, people should be allowed to dream | Jun 19 23:04 |
| immibis | that is true | Jun 19 23:04 |
| schestowitz | even string theory should not be banned | Jun 19 23:04 |
| schestowitz | it can be ridiculed, not banned | Jun 19 23:04 |
| immibis | but in other areas we do know the truth. We know that racial superiority is untrue | Jun 19 23:04 |
| schestowitz | some say race is fiction | Jun 19 23:04 |
| schestowitz | next thing you have is claims women and men are equal at everything | Jun 19 23:04 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: racial superiority isn't something i would consider a tenet of alt-right at all, it has members of all races | Jun 19 23:05 |
| schestowitz | but don't expect women to be in "world's strongest man" | Jun 19 23:05 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: but you agree it's untrue? | Jun 19 23:05 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: racial superiority is untrue, correct | Jun 19 23:05 |
| CrystalMath | to clarify - no race is superior to any other race | Jun 19 23:05 |
| schestowitz | depends on the place | Jun 19 23:05 |
| schestowitz | nigerians are superior to germans in hot climate | Jun 19 23:06 |
| activelow | are youtube links welcome? | Jun 19 23:06 |
| schestowitz | they don't get burned and stuff | Jun 19 23:06 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Jun 19 23:06 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: so if someone asserts racial superiority as an ideology, can we say their ideology is wrong? And if someone else asserts the lack of racial supremacy, as an ideology, can we say their ideology is right? | Jun 19 23:06 |
| schestowitz | but we do not HAVE to click them ^_^ | Jun 19 23:06 |
| schestowitz | immibis: in tech channels we don't even need to debate such things | Jun 19 23:06 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: if someone is wrong you can clearly debate them | Jun 19 23:06 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: that's the best time to debate someone, when you know for sure that someone is wrong | Jun 19 23:07 |
| CrystalMath | but like i said that's not what this is about | Jun 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | bbab | Jun 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | bbaib, let's talk tech more :_ | Jun 19 23:07 |
| schestowitz | *iab | Jun 19 23:07 |
| *schestowitz should never type sideways again | Jun 19 23:07 | |
| immibis | CrystalMath apparently wants to debate this stuff but refuses to do it in #boycottnovell-social | Jun 19 23:07 |
| CrystalMath | i'm not in there | Jun 19 23:08 |
| immibis | then join it | Jun 19 23:08 |
| schestowitz | it's like 11 or 12 years old channel | Jun 19 23:08 |
| CrystalMath | except i don't think we're on opposite sides regarding the thing you mentioned | Jun 19 23:08 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: you agree that some ideologies are wrong and some are right? | Jun 19 23:08 |
| schestowitz | created when balzac was gloating about girls and stuff | Jun 19 23:08 |
| schestowitz | it was modeled after fedora-social | Jun 19 23:08 |
| immibis | on this server it should be called #social | Jun 19 23:08 |
| CrystalMath | i believe that there's people feeling that something is right, and that something is wrong, and that sometimes some people are closed to being objective | Jun 19 23:09 |
| CrystalMath | but htat's nowhere near black and white | Jun 19 23:09 |
| CrystalMath | *that's | Jun 19 23:09 |
| activelow | https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12993-chimps-outperform-humans-at-memory-task/ | Jun 19 23:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newscientist.com | Chimps outperform humans at memory task | New Scientist | Jun 19 23:09 | |
| MinceR | well, i think the bikeshed should be painted gray | Jun 19 23:09 |
| schestowitz | immibis: for consistency it keeps the same name | Jun 19 23:09 |
| schestowitz | it always existed on freenode with the same namr | Jun 19 23:09 |
| schestowitz | and it's still in FN too | Jun 19 23:09 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: you do not believe that racial superiority is objectively wrong? | Jun 19 23:09 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.databreaches.net/state-legislatures-consider-bans-on-ransomware-payments/ | Jun 19 23:09 |
| schestowitz | it leads to bad things | Jun 19 23:09 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: i believe that it's wrong but what i believe cannot be pushed onto others | Jun 19 23:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.databreaches.net | State Legislatures Consider Bans on Ransomware Payments | Jun 19 23:10 | |
| CrystalMath | immibis: others have a right to believe otherwise | Jun 19 23:10 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: so you do believe it's objectively wrong. do you believe it's an ideology? | Jun 19 23:10 |
| schestowitz | but assuming race is a thing, some races are better at some things, due to physical differences like melanin, height, etc. | Jun 19 23:10 |
| CrystalMath | i guess it could be an ideology, but i don't know whose ideology | Jun 19 23:10 |
| schestowitz | anyway, it's OT | Jun 19 23:10 |
| immibis | racial superiority ideology is much deeper than "black people have more melanin", it's more like "black people are worse at everything and should be exterminated or enslaved" | Jun 19 23:10 |
| schestowitz | bbiab | Jun 19 23:10 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: you are questioning whether at least one person holds racial superiority as an ideology? | Jun 19 23:11 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: i guess i'm just saying that i don't know such people | Jun 19 23:12 |
| CrystalMath | but let's get back to the link you sent | Jun 19 23:13 |
| CrystalMath | that last paragraph also said people should be banned for even "sounding like" they are alt-right | Jun 19 23:13 |
| CrystalMath | "Finally, one more point: maybe you weren't arguing all that much, just making some normal comments, and you still got banned. Why? It's probably because there are alt-right talking points showing through in your comments - whether you realize it or not. These have the same effect of radicalizing people and turning a community hateful over time, just over a longer timespan." | Jun 19 23:13 |
| MinceR | i think the author read too much SCP and believes that ideologies they disagree with are cognitohazards that can only be fought by suppressing them entirely | Jun 19 23:14 |
| CrystalMath | so let me get this straight... you don't even have to realize it, if you just say things that sound to them like alt-right talking points, they ban you | Jun 19 23:14 |
| saint_dogbert/fn | The author of that nonsense inspires me... I'm going to start banning people in my channels using the merest suspicion that they are left wingers ;) | Jun 19 23:14 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 19 23:14 |
| immibis | it's funny MinceR because that is probably what you think about liberals | Jun 19 23:15 |
| MinceR | it is not | Jun 19 23:15 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: this is some random person's opinion | Jun 19 23:15 |
| immibis | that that part is not the strongest part. Read the rest | Jun 19 23:15 |
| CrystalMath | joepie91 is related to libera right? | Jun 19 23:15 |
| immibis | only in the sense that he connects to it | Jun 19 23:16 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.rawstory.com/miami-police/ | Jun 19 23:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rawstory.com | Miami police chief cites 'you lie, you die' policy in push to fire top brass: report - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism | Jun 19 23:16 | |
| MinceR | (classic "NO U" there, by the way) | Jun 19 23:16 |
| saint_dogbert/fn | immibis: Honestly, like most people, I don't really care what peoples politics are. I care when they are shoving them in my face and demanding that I raise a Nazi like salute for a certain cause and certain group of people. | Jun 19 23:16 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: i did read it, the first two paragrahs got me angry, reading the third one i'm just beyond angry and i believe that joepie91 is basically a fascist of some sort | Jun 19 23:16 |
| CrystalMath | something straight out of 1984 | Jun 19 23:17 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.rawstory.com/bill-maher-california-drought/ | Jun 19 23:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rawstory.com | Bill Maher goes on angry rant about Big Ag for ‘Bogarting’ California water during drought - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism | Jun 19 23:17 | |
| immibis | CrystalMath: we are still stuck on whether you believe ideologies can be objectively right or wrong | Jun 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | [23:14] <saint_dogbert/fn> The author of that nonsense inspires me... I'm going to start banning people in my channels using the merest suspicion that they are left wingers ;) | Jun 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | These people don't support Free software | Jun 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | they look to control networks | Jun 19 23:18 |
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| CrystalMath | immibis: i don't believe that anyone can truly know whether an ideology is objectively right or wrong | Jun 19 23:18 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: we can only do our best guess | Jun 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | and by extension the communications of hundreds of thousands of people | Jun 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | to drive home a political or ideaological agenda | Jun 19 23:18 |
| saint_dogbert/fn | schestowitz: No argument here. =) | Jun 19 23:18 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: so we cannot push our views onto other people | Jun 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | same thing Twitter, GitHub, FB do | Jun 19 23:18 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: well that is true of anything. the law of gravity could be proven wrong tomorrow | Jun 19 23:18 |
| MinceR | some of them seem to have easily disproven elements | Jun 19 23:18 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: but we can know racial supremacy is wrong, just as much as we can know the law of gravity is right, right? | Jun 19 23:19 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: based on everything i know, yes | Jun 19 23:19 |
| schestowitz | gravity if a theory | Jun 19 23:19 |
| schestowitz | a solidly proven theory | Jun 19 23:20 |
| schestowitz | but technically still a theory | Jun 19 23:20 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_falling | Jun 19 23:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Intelligent falling - Wikipedia | Jun 19 23:20 | |
| CrystalMath | there are some problems with gravity | Jun 19 23:20 |
| schestowitz | maybe with black holes and things one day we'll have an expanded explanation | Jun 19 23:20 |
| CrystalMath | namely it's hard to fit it into the quantum view of the universe | Jun 19 23:20 |
| schestowitz | "law of gravity" is also a common term | Jun 19 23:20 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: so you must logically believe that it is possible for an ideology to be objectively wrong, just like it is possible for a theory of gravity to be objectively right | Jun 19 23:20 |
| CrystalMath | there's no truly accepted grand unified theory | Jun 19 23:20 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-insurrectionist-2653448274/ | Jun 19 23:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rawstory.com | 'Delusional' Capitol rioters oblivious to their own serious criminal charges: CNN reporter - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism | Jun 19 23:20 | |
| CrystalMath | immibis: no just because i give an ideology maximum wrongness in my mind, that stays in my mind; i have no right to force anyone else | Jun 19 23:20 |
| schestowitz | can we talk tech? | Jun 19 23:20 |
| schestowitz | we're steering into racism-related stuff | Jun 19 23:21 |
| schestowitz | which makes it easier to pick on us over stuff that has nothing to do with topic techrights covers | Jun 19 23:21 |
| immibis | since CrystalMath has joined the other channel, yes | Jun 19 23:21 |
| schestowitz | such as patents and corruption | Jun 19 23:21 |
| saint_dogbert/fn | Most of them have not even been informed of what they are being charged with beyond trespassing because they are kept in isolation and most have not been granted access to lawyers yet | Jun 19 23:21 |
| saint_dogbert/fn | https://www.cbsnews.com/news/capitol-riot-defendant-ryan-sammsel-viciously-beaten-guard-washington-dc-jail-lawyer-says/ | Jun 19 23:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cbsnews.com | Capitol riot defendant "viciously and savagely" beaten by guard in Washington, D.C. jail, lawyer says - CBS News | Jun 19 23:23 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.rawstory.com/crt/ | Jun 19 23:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rawstory.com | Fox News busted for trying to pass off GOP operatives as 'concerned' parents - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism | Jun 19 23:24 | |
| *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has left #techrights | Jun 19 23:25 | |
| schestowitz | typical GOPKKK | Jun 19 23:28 |
| schestowitz | https://dissociatedpress.net/2021/06/19/authenticity-is-a-trap/ | Jun 19 23:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dissociatedpress.net | "Authenticity" is a trap : Dissociated Press | Jun 19 23:31 | |
| saint_dogbert/fn | Actually... the Democrats founded, financed, and supported the KKK, not the GOP. The GOP is responsible for freeing the slaves. The Democrats fought tooth and nail against the civil rights bills back in the 1960s as well if memory serves | Jun 19 23:31 |
| schestowitz | That was a long time ago | Jun 19 23:32 |
| activelow | nonetheless. in germany this is codified in law too, as I mentioned recently, the lack of constitutional guarantess for a "right to work" (Recht auf Arbeit) which was abandoned with the current constitution, while weimar constitution stated it explicitely. | Jun 19 23:34 |
| saint_dogbert/fn | yep. Now they run another couple of racists groups; Antifa and BLM | Jun 19 23:34 |
| schestowitz | these are reactionary | Jun 19 23:36 |
| schestowitz | KKK wasn't a reaction to racism | Jun 19 23:36 |
| schestowitz | it was designed to protect the racists | Jun 19 23:36 |
| schestowitz | and to keep some people down | Jun 19 23:36 |
| saint_dogbert/fn | And you think BLM and Antifa aka ProFA doesn't? | Jun 19 23:36 |
| saint_dogbert/fn | they do; just different races this time around | Jun 19 23:37 |
| schestowitz | aside from the fact that we've gone off topic, painting groups that respond to racism as "racist" is artistic/creative spin | Jun 19 23:37 |
| schestowitz | like calling assange "criminal" | Jun 19 23:37 |
| schestowitz | for exposing crimes | Jun 19 23:37 |
| activelow | the lack of constitutional guarantees for a "right to work" is the repressive element of the legal framework in western regions. | Jun 19 23:37 |
| schestowitz | bbiab | Jun 19 23:37 |
| saint_dogbert/fn | I'll take this to -social again | Jun 19 23:37 |
| schestowitz | worthless thing to debate in the context of techrights | Jun 19 23:37 |
| schestowitz | activelow: or UBI | Jun 19 23:38 |
| schestowitz | which would at least accomplish something similar as a fallback | Jun 19 23:38 |
| activelow | schestowitz: i am in opposition to UBI. | Jun 19 23:38 |
| schestowitz | I know the arguments against | Jun 19 23:38 |
| schestowitz | abundance of workers | Jun 19 23:38 |
| schestowitz | in tech also | Jun 19 23:38 |
| schestowitz | and whether people will want to work at all | Jun 19 23:38 |
| schestowitz | so you assess the cost of necessities | Jun 19 23:39 |
| schestowitz | like welfare does | Jun 19 23:39 |
| schestowitz | but without cultural will UBI can fail | Jun 19 23:39 |
| schestowitz | but the govs will need to figure out something like that | Jun 19 23:39 |
| activelow | and UBI legal framework itself is lacking, such as regulation of rents (a majority of citizens in germany have to rent a flat) | Jun 19 23:39 |
| activelow | UBI does not address this. | Jun 19 23:39 |
| schestowitz | the alternative is homeless peo | Jun 19 23:39 |
| schestowitz | *people | Jun 19 23:39 |
| schestowitz | like the ones in Berlin | Jun 19 23:40 |
| schestowitz | and a failing society for many | Jun 19 23:40 |
| Ariadne | anyway, you can do whatever you want in -social, as long as its not like planning to commit murder or whatever | Jun 19 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: not yet :D | Jun 19 23:40 |
| Ariadne | i guess we should write some actual rules for the irc | Jun 19 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: no need, we already have them | Jun 19 23:40 |
| schestowitz | since around 2009 | Jun 19 23:40 |
| schestowitz | it's in the wiki | Jun 19 23:40 |
| Ariadne | i guess i should write an motd linking to them then | Jun 19 23:41 |
| schestowitz | It's like a EULA | Jun 19 23:43 |
| schestowitz | sticking it in people's face upfront can be like a presumption of guilt and unwelcoming | Jun 19 23:43 |
| schestowitz | I will instead bring that up when the channel goes far off topic | Jun 19 23:43 |
| schestowitz | this has mostly worked for us since 2008 | Jun 19 23:43 |
| schestowitz | we keep a tight ship. Right now I work with a bunch of good folks on EPO expose | Jun 19 23:44 |
| schestowitz | we can defeat swpats this year, I hope... "AI patents" | Jun 19 23:44 |
| activelow | another aspect of related social legislation was abandoning regulations to match level of education and skill set with jobs, introduced year 2000 iirc | Jun 19 23:44 |
| activelow | sorry schestowitz, one more sentence | Jun 19 23:44 |
| schestowitz | it's OK | Jun 19 23:45 |
| schestowitz | sometimes it feels like people use the channel as an outlet for things they cannot say elsewhere (or got banned for) | Jun 19 23:45 |
| schestowitz | that's fine if it's not off-topic | Jun 19 23:45 |
| schestowitz | many are suppressed for views on patents etc. | Jun 19 23:46 |
| activelow | and this is the loophole: the abandoned social legislation was replaced with the common ideological lunacy (gender,race,climate, etc) to match workers with jobs | Jun 19 23:46 |
| schestowitz | I am saddened to see what happened to "Big IRC" | Jun 19 23:46 |
| schestowitz | seems to have split along superficial political lines | Jun 19 23:46 |
| schestowitz | so we have "right" and "left" networks | Jun 19 23:46 |
| schestowitz | not proprietary and free | Jun 19 23:46 |
| activelow | instead of recognizing individual with their skills, they are recognized as black, white, gentitals etc... | Jun 19 23:46 |
| schestowitz | I think it's like sectarian violence | Jun 19 23:47 |
| schestowitz | to keep "us plebs" off the agenda of "Big Tech" | Jun 19 23:47 |
| schestowitz | they will just pursue money, military contracts etc. | Jun 19 23:47 |
| schestowitz | while we fight over things like celebs that are "intolerant" and whether athletes can bow | Jun 19 23:48 |
| immibis | schestowitz: have you ever convinced any of the GOPKKK members in this channel to stop being GOPKKK, just by arguing with them? | Jun 19 23:48 |
| schestowitz | immibis: we have tech issues across the spectrum | Jun 19 23:48 |
| schestowitz | like, getting off github is not a wing thing | Jun 19 23:48 |
| schestowitz | everyone should do it | Jun 19 23:48 |
| schestowitz | because it's a moral thing | Jun 19 23:49 |
| schestowitz | same for "Big IRC" | Jun 19 23:49 |
| schestowitz | we need to encourage more networks | Jun 19 23:49 |
| schestowitz | people have 4-32GB of RAM now | Jun 19 23:49 |
| schestowitz | they can connect to 20 networks with less than 100KB or RAM | Jun 19 23:49 |
| immibis | GOPKKK is an issue. There's a reason you call it GOPKKK instead of just GOP | Jun 19 23:50 |
| immibis | it is one more issue | Jun 19 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Trumpism led to that | Jun 19 23:54 |
| schestowitz | I only started saying "GOPKKK" after the insurrection | Jun 19 23:54 |
| schestowitz | in some countries that whole party would be outlawed for it | Jun 19 23:54 |
| schestowitz | but again, we're veering off topic | Jun 19 23:54 |
| schestowitz | I am doing an article about EPO | Jun 19 23:54 |
| schestowitz | and that concerns software patents and 'webchat' as 'courts' | Jun 19 23:55 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/carl-josefsson-in-the-shadows/ | Jun 19 23:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice — Part 12: Carl Josefsson – Down But Not Out! | Techrights | Jun 19 23:56 | |
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