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DaemonFCMinceR, That episode of SG-1 where they promote O'Neill and he says there was a mix up in the cafeteria order and they got gold potatoes instead of russets, and so Jackson suggests mashing them, and O'Neill said "Suggested that. Apparently they're no good for mash.".Jun 18 00:21
DaemonFCThat's fake news.Jun 18 00:21
DaemonFCRussets turn out a little better, but you can certainly make do with gold potatoes. I suggest leaving the skins on them and using heavy cream and mixing them longer.Jun 18 00:22
DaemonFCEventually, you beat the mixture into a thicker consistency.Jun 18 00:22
MinceR:)Jun 18 00:23
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DaemonFCI had a recipe call for a can of Coke the other day.Jun 18 00:38
DaemonFCSo I bought a Pepsi out of the vending machine at Walmart.Jun 18 00:38
DaemonFCRichard Stallman has supported a boycott of Coke for years because they hired hitmen to murder union organizers.Jun 18 00:39
DaemonFCNow Trump is saying boycott Coke because some internal memos about how the company needs to "be less white" leaked out.Jun 18 00:39
DaemonFCMinceR, Most new automobile production in the US heads to states in the south without strong labor laws and, in fact, laws that are hostile to unions.Jun 18 00:41
DaemonFCI can't really blame them, honestly. The unions are as good of a reason as anything why GM is a fucking catastrophe.Jun 18 00:41
MinceR:>Jun 18 00:41
MinceRunlikelyJun 18 00:41
MinceRthe unions are not responsible for management failing to adapt to changing demands in the marketJun 18 00:42
DaemonFCThey kept letting the UAW roll them for obscene benefits and stuff until foreign competitors who didn't have legacy costs of anything like that were price competitive, reliability issues aside.Jun 18 00:42
DaemonFCDad said that his wife's brother just retired from GM after a very long career as a quality control engineer.Jun 18 00:43
DaemonFCI asked him how the guy was there for 40 years and they didn't manage to notice that their quality slipped from #6 to #21 in that time period.Jun 18 00:43
DaemonFCHonda beginning to sell into the US market was the beginning of the end for GM as anything other than a zombie corporation that keeps feasting off the taxpayers.Jun 18 00:44
DaemonFCMany of the original models that they sold into the US market back in the 1980s still work assuming they've generally been taken care of and operated in a state where they won't rust away/.Jun 18 00:45
MinceRgenerally, offering better pay and benefits to workers tends to attract better workersJun 18 00:45
DaemonFCExcept that it doesn't.Jun 18 00:45
DaemonFCBoth of my grandfathers worked for GM, both in the UAW union.Jun 18 00:46
DaemonFCMy grandfather on my dad's side was drunk all the time.Jun 18 00:46
DaemonFCOther employees would clock him in and then go fish him out of the bar.Jun 18 00:46
DaemonFCHe'd be at work drunk assembling car parts.Jun 18 00:46
MinceRthen perhaps it's time for you to give up on usian car design and manufacturingJun 18 00:46
DaemonFCThe foreign companies don't design anything here.Jun 18 00:47
DaemonFCThey just import the parts and do assembly here.Jun 18 00:47
activelowgerman car manufacturers are fully supported by unions and didn't follow the trend of declining quality, salary there is exceptional for those who are directly hired and not outsourcedJun 18 00:47
DaemonFCHonestly, they'd just import the entire finished car if they could, but tariffs.Jun 18 00:47
MinceRstrange, i've heard the quality of german cars has crateredJun 18 00:47
MinceRallegedly they used to make very reliable cars, and then stoppedJun 18 00:48
activelowgerman automotive industry boosted production and sales incredibly, regardless of some quality hearsayJun 18 00:49
MinceRsales doesn't seem to depend on qualityJun 18 00:49
MinceRwhich might be why most design owners don't care about itJun 18 00:50
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activelow 18 01:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bosch is the new star in Silicon Saxony microchip cluster | Business| Economy and finance news from a German perspective | DW | 04.06.2021Jun 18 01:01
activelow"The firm has pumped about €1 billion ($1.2 billion) into its new site, marking the biggest single investment in its 130-year history." -> Bosch is automotive supplierJun 18 01:01
DaemonFC"In total, Illinois will give away 40 cash prizes of $100,000." for the COVID lotto.Jun 18 01:02
DaemonFCIf I win, I'm buying a house in Indiana and a new car.Jun 18 01:02
DaemonFCI mistook it for being one prize of $10 million.Jun 18 01:02
XRevan86I don't see any activity from freenode, is the bridge fine?Jun 18 01:03
DaemonFCYou can get a house in INdiana for like $30,000-40,000. A big one in some cases. The jobs dried up and nobody there makes a lot of money.Jun 18 01:03
lightbringer/fntestingJun 18 01:08
MinceRyes, the bridge is fineJun 18 01:08
DaemonFCMinceR, I followed the Philly Cheese Steak recipe in my cookbook for instant pots, and it said cook 55 minutes on slow cook mode with the pressure sealed.Jun 18 01:13
DaemonFCI was like, "Uhhh, we'll see I guess.".Jun 18 01:13
techrights-bot/fnThe Lying by #TeamUPC , Led Again by #KevinMooney #unitarypatent #epo #upcJun 18 01:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Lying by Team UPC, Led Again by Kevin Mooney | TechrightsJun 18 01:13
techrights-bot/fnPressure Grows for #RustLang in #Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 18 01:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pressure Grows for Rust in Linux | Tux MachinesJun 18 01:13
DaemonFCI ended up cooking it ten minutes on high pressure after that because I opened it up and....sure was steak tartare. Jun 18 01:14
techrights-bot/fn#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 18 01:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 18 01:14
MinceR:)Jun 18 01:24
techrights-bot/fn#HeliPihlajamaa Promoting #SoftwarePatents to #Patent Maximalists #finland #cipaJun 18 01:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Heli Pihlajamaa Promoting Software Patents to Patent Maximalists | TechrightsJun 18 01:29
DaemonFCThey say California might have rolling blackouts this summer because of all their green energy crap.Jun 18 01:30
DaemonFCEh, let the punishment fit the crime.Jun 18 01:30
DaemonFCGreta Thunberg didn't come out of nowhere.Jun 18 01:31
DaemonFCBillionaires and the Chinese Communist Party want to ruin our standard of living.Jun 18 01:31
DaemonFCSo how do they do that? They prop up people like this.Jun 18 01:31
DaemonFCThen they can get the west to destroy their economies while China builds more coal plants than the rest of the world put together and says it has a plan to go carbon-neutral.Jun 18 01:32
DaemonFCThe lifecycle of a base load coal plant after it's built is usually between 50-70 years.Jun 18 01:32
DaemonFCSo if China is building them today, they plan to be running them in the 22nd century.Jun 18 01:33
DaemonFCRunning the US electric grid on the expensive electric generating sources that the Democrats want will be the end of US manufacturing, and they know it.Jun 18 01:33
DaemonFCIt'll increase the price of power 400% and you can't run heavy industry paying Massachusetts rates for your electric bill.Jun 18 01:34
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DaemonFCThey think that they'll somehow be insulated from the economic disaster that they cause in half of the states because they have "special" jobs that aren't "carbon intensive", but then what will happen is that the uprising will end up affecting them when most of the country can't get _any_ job.Jun 18 01:35
DaemonFCWe're being spoon fed a load of crap from people who are soft on China (and other polluters).Jun 18 01:36
activelowany production facility which closed in Europe or USA is re-established elsewhere, with little to no benefit for the climateJun 18 01:36
DaemonFCThe environment is only fragile when we're talking about the United States, and everyone else can pretty much do whatever they want to it.Jun 18 01:36
activelowany gallon of oil which isn't consumed in Europe or USA is consumed elswhere, simple fact.Jun 18 01:37
DaemonFC<activelow> any production facility which closed in Europe or USA is re-established elsewhere, with little to no benefit for the climateJun 18 01:37
DaemonFCYeah, with the added bonus of the finished goods being loaded onto cargo ships which go halfway around the world.Jun 18 01:37
techrights-bot/fn#TeamUPC , or specifically Mr. Mooney, lies to the public about the prospects of the UPC; similarly, #EPO and #EU officials keep bringing up false claims about the UPC, so while the #UPC itself has likely died for good the lies have not • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights | ♾ Gemini address: gemini: <clipped message>Jun 18 01:37
techrights-bot/fn// 18 01:37
DaemonFCOnce you do that, the ships take a lot of fuel, and they spill a lot of their cargo into the ocean.Jun 18 01:38
DaemonFCJust billions of dollars in everything from food to furniture to shoes. Bicycles....Jun 18 01:38
DaemonFCAll of the energy used to produce them wasted.Jun 18 01:38
techrights-bot/fn"They only recently started supporting Linux with it (back in April), and now we're seeing all updates across all platforms at the same time which is great." 18 01:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-God sim sandbox 'WorldBox' has a huge release out with lots of fun new toys | GamingOnLinuxJun 18 01:38
techrights-bot/fnThe absolutely insane vision of #bezoa and his goons 18 01:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Amazon Sidewalk: Open Your Wi-Fi To The Public - YouTubeJun 18 01:39
DaemonFCIt's much, much worse for the environment to allow China to take all of our jobs than it is to just produce things here.Jun 18 01:39
DaemonFCNow people buy tons of crap that doesn't even pretend to have any practical purpose, like smart watches and Alexa speakers.Jun 18 01:39
techrights-bot/fn#vista11 'leak' is fake and a smokescreen. Board changes (Nadella) might suggest it's more distraction from the crimes of #billgates h Not sure... but it's NOT a leak. A marketing stunt/ploy to divert attention and game the media.Jun 18 01:40
activelowi disagree with the china bashing, since the "globalization" agenda was pushed by USA particularlyJun 18 01:41
techrights-bot/fnComputers typically take up a lot more power than is need, esp. due to bloated #proprietarySoftware which works for vendors, not users 18 01:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to Measure Your PC's Power Consumption - Make Tech EasierJun 18 01:41
techrights-bot/fnComputers typically take up a lot more power than is needed, esp. due to bloated #proprietarySoftware which works for vendors, not users 18 01:41
activelow^Jun 18 01:41
kingoffranceyes, it always curious with the modern web, why software itself never factors into "reducing power"Jun 18 01:43
DaemonFCYes, another example of how our own government has consistently betrayed its people.Jun 18 01:43
techrights-bot/fn#NVIDIA Resizable BAR Performance - A Big Boost For Some Linux Games - Phoronix ⚓ ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in 18 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NVIDIA Resizable BAR Performance - A Big Boost For Some Linux Games - PhoronixJun 18 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsJun 18 01:43
kingoffranceit would make sense if old hw is that inefficient, and hw is a much more effective place to target "power savings"Jun 18 01:43
kingoffrancejust software, never a peepJun 18 01:43
DaemonFC50 million less people employed? MORE TRADE! (Nerus "More chicken!" voice) MinceR Jun 18 01:43
kingoffrancenever mentioned as wasting power.  bitcoin did, but thats just because some ppl view it as pointless activityJun 18 01:44
DaemonFCAlso, make abortion illegal.Jun 18 01:44
DaemonFCThat way 40 million more people join the unemployed over the next 30 years.Jun 18 01:44
activelowa modern aarch64 SBC now can fully replace a workstation, with ~5watts power draw, and with some tailored firmware for it i can do almost everything a developer desires to doJun 18 01:44
kingoffrancei.e. seems more of a specific dig at mining for other reasons, than any care about powerJun 18 01:44
DaemonFCOr shoot each other. That's always popular too.Jun 18 01:44
kingoffrance(no pun intended)Jun 18 01:46
XRevan86CrystalMath: I am very puzzled by the choice of InspIRCd after finding out that Sadie is very against freenode.Jun 18 01:47
kingoffrance(although it perhaps a boring topic, pun intended)Jun 18 01:47
CrystalMathXRevan86: we can fork it :)Jun 18 01:47
XRevan86CrystalMath: Can't Solanum be forked?Jun 18 01:47
techrights-bot/fnDependable Debian is like a rock in a swirling gyre of 'move fast and break things', and version 11 is no different #debian #gnu #linuxJun 18 01:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Dependable Debian is like a rock in a swirling gyre of 'move fast and break things', and version 11 is no different • The RegisterJun 18 01:47
XRevan86CrystalMath: or ergo?Jun 18 01:47
XRevan86CrystalMath: Let me phrase it differently: why is it InspIRCd that got to be a base for ircd-eightJun 18 01:48
techrights-bot/fn"Ms Pyjamas" from the #EPO is promoting illegal #softwarepatents to a bunch of #patent zealots ( #CIPA ) • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #swpats | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 18 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Heli Pihlajamaa Promoting Software Patents to Patent Maximalists | TechrightsJun 18 01:49
CrystalMathXRevan86: i don't know, it was nirvana's idea i thinkJun 18 01:49
XRevan86CrystalMath: Is nirvana a C++ programmer?Jun 18 01:49
CrystalMathi don't knowJun 18 01:50
techrights-bot/fnIt's 2021 and people still don't know the difference between #internet and #www ... had to explain it to a technical friend who is 49 just 2 days ago. Media confuses people. #mozilla has just published 18 01:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | What is the difference between the internet, browsers, search engines and websites?Jun 18 01:55
techrights-bot/fnThe brand #UbuntuOne is back... just to confuse people 18 01:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Two-factor authentication coming to Ubuntu One | UbuntuJun 18 01:56
kingoffranceactivelow, briefly to not get too far off rails, i agree china bashing seems cloudy at best. yes, USA did push globalism, conservatives in particular (which apparently they now regret)  the bashing only appeared simultaneously along with "whataboutism".   seems like posturing and inner turmoil at best.  (deliberately not taking a stand either way, just there is too much crazy going on at same time for me to take any of it seriously)Jun 18 01:56
hmmmm/fnkingoffrance, china covered up that covid leaked from lab experimentsJun 18 01:56
techrights-bot/fnComplicated Changes Confuse Concerned Citizens ⚓ ䷉ #internet #broadband | more in 18 01:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Complicated Changes Confuse Concerned CitizensJun 18 01:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsJun 18 01:56
kingoffrancehmmmm/fn: i dont follow that stuff, up to other ppl if they want to discussJun 18 01:57
XRevan86CrystalMath: Also what's your opinion on YouTube removing kebab? %)Jun 18 01:57
CrystalMathwhat?Jun 18 01:57
techrights-bot/fn#KDE Plasma 5.22 Released with Better Stability and Usability Across the Board #gnu #linuxJun 18 01:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | KDE Plasma 5.22 Released with Better Stability... » Linux MagazineJun 18 01:57
XRevan86CrystalMath: 18 01:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Serbia strong orginal bay Radovan Karadzic - YouTubeJun 18 01:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-- YouTubeJun 18 01:58
XRevan86The latter is a clip from the former.Jun 18 01:58
CrystalMathdumb, the song doesn't contain hate speechJun 18 01:58
activelowkingoffrance: the chinese lab leakage is an unproven propaganda claim, anything i read about the origin is inconclusive and intentionally distractingJun 18 01:59
techrights-bot/fn#Freenode pisses off far too many #freesw projects. 18 01:59
CrystalMathand it's not by Radovan KaradzicJun 18 01:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Xen IRC channels have moved - Xen ProjectJun 18 01:59
hmmmm/fnit's inconclusive but you better be ready for when it *becomes* conclusiveJun 18 01:59
hmmmm/fnit is more likely than notJun 18 01:59
XRevan86Oh hey, another OFTC move.Jun 18 01:59
activelowend of 2019 something was identified in a chinese institution doesn't mean it originated thereJun 18 01:59
hmmmm/fnban wildlife farming/markets, sure, but ban gain of function research too. Worldwide. Meaning the US needs to stop funding it too, just to set an example and have some moral high groundJun 18 01:59
activelowdoesn't mean either it didn't exist long beforeJun 18 02:00
hmmmm/fnit's actually known it didn't exist long beforeJun 18 02:00
CrystalMathXRevan86: i mean it's a war propaganda song, but its lyrics don't contain any hate speechJun 18 02:00
techrights-bot/fnBad engineering must not become the standard. #IIS dumped #microsoft #windows and moved to #debian #gnu #linux on laptops about a decade back. 18 02:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Your spacesuit ran into a problem and needs to restart • The RegisterJun 18 02:00
hmmmm/fnthat part is pretty certain... it's too well adapted to human cellsJun 18 02:00
hmmmm/fnthe *antecedent* of it existed long before, but that could not have infected humans in one moveJun 18 02:00
techrights-bot/fnBad engineering must not become the standard. #ISS dumped #microsoft #windows and moved to #debian #gnu #linux on laptops about a decade back. 18 02:00
XRevan86CrystalMath: The reason it got banned is actually in New Zealand.Jun 18 02:01
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XRevan86 18 02:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Christchurch mosque shootings - WikipediaJun 18 02:01
CrystalMathXRevan86: the song has zero to do with new zealandJun 18 02:02
XRevan86CrystalMath: Indeed. I am actually annoyed by this.Jun 18 02:02
CrystalMathXRevan86: i mean... the whole point of the song is to push the idea that croatian independence is always a nazi thingJun 18 02:02
techrights-bot/fn#RogerWaters tells #Facebook CEO to Zuck off after 'huge' song rights request • The Register ⚓ ䷉ #theregister #assangeJun 18 02:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Roger Waters tells Facebook CEO to Zuck off after 'huge' song rights request • The RegisterJun 18 02:02
CrystalMathXRevan86: so it connects serbia's struggle to separate from independent croatia and rejoin serbia with the struggle against nazis in WW2Jun 18 02:02
CrystalMathXRevan86: that's the point, it's actually anti-naziJun 18 02:03
CrystalMathbut... kinda in a propaganda sort of wayJun 18 02:03
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CrystalMaththe link between the two struggles is a little shakyJun 18 02:03
DaemonFC_phone 18 02:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Oops HBO, using real user data in your software integration tests? | Hacker NewsJun 18 02:03
DaemonFC_phoneI just got one of these.Jun 18 02:03
CrystalMaths/serbia's struggle/the serbian people's struggle/Jun 18 02:04
CrystalMathi'm of course referring to the ones living in croatia and bosniaJun 18 02:04
MinceRs/serbian/struggling/Jun 18 02:04
CrystalMathMinceR: it does sound like a synonym sometimes, doesn't it?Jun 18 02:05
XRevan86Oi, Russians demand recognition!Jun 18 02:05
XRevan86… and uh… A. HitlerJun 18 02:06
MinceRrecognition is denied to russians in order to make their struggle more authenticJun 18 02:06
XRevan86MinceR: But that's recognition in itself.Jun 18 02:07
hmmmm/fnkingoffrance, activelow: lots of good info here, not crazy wild maximal conspiracy: 18 02:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NO TITLEJun 18 02:07
MinceRparadox was among the goalsJun 18 02:07
XRevan86MinceR: Recognition through denying recognition.Jun 18 02:07
*XRevan86 recognised that.Jun 18 02:07
kingoffrancethat sounds like indifference is opposite of love :)Jun 18 02:08
kingoffrancehate is when you really really really have a crush on someone lolJun 18 02:08
kingoffrancenot going mjg, just saying thats a platitudeJun 18 02:09
MinceRfear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to sufferingJun 18 02:09
XRevan86suffering leads to fearJun 18 02:10
activelowhmmmm: the "deadliest pandemic in 30 years" was reported 2018 already by RKI germany, long before the covid propaganda spook beganJun 18 02:11
MinceRand it just keeps going around and aroundJun 18 02:11
MinceRfear is the path to itselfJun 18 02:11
activelowand anything else which followed in public news since september 2019 is incitement of fear and hatred, which is presented differently only since it shall attract mainstream population instead of extremist political fringe which is agitated differentlyJun 18 02:12
activelowbtw. the public propaganda and agitation is illegal according to §130StgB in germany, which makes me wonder why most of involved politicians and media agitators aren't jailed yetJun 18 02:14
MinceRthat's because the law isn't enforced consistentlyJun 18 02:14
MinceRit's merely an excuse to wield power, often violentlyJun 18 02:14
activelowit wouldn't take long if i spread some of my historical facts police rang my door bell here in germanyJun 18 02:15
activelowspreading news such as "chinese plague", advertising pharmacy with falsified data which isn't approved, the list goes onJun 18 02:16
activelowyet i am not allowed to namecall who is who involved with itJun 18 02:17
kingoffrancebblJun 18 02:18
schestowitz0/Jun 18 02:18
DaemonFC_phoneThat sounds like an anti-Nazi law to me.Jun 18 02:18
activelowthe reason related legislation was introduced was to cover up nazi crimesJun 18 02:19
activelowso those who raised their voice could be silenced as "revisionist" and suchJun 18 02:19
DaemonFC_phoneYeah, It's been a sore spot in Germany.Jun 18 02:20
activelowrecently introduced legislation in germany is this: "deligitimization of governmental institutions", "permissive surveillance"Jun 18 02:20
DaemonFC_phoneAnd as mjg59 teaches us, when fact bothers you, ban everyone who talks about it with a CoC.Jun 18 02:20
schestowitz<techrights-bot> A lot of the time people who lack the talent call those who have it "bigots" because they lack another way to competeJun 18 02:22
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techrights-bot/fnLinks 18/6/2021: #RasPad 3 and Pushing Rust Into the Linux #Kernel • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 18 02:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Links 18/6/2021: RasPad 3 and Pushing Rust Into the Linux Kernel | TechrightsJun 18 02:23
techrights-bot/fnToday’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 18 02:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 18 02:24
techrights-bot/fnToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 18 02:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 18 02:25
rbraun/fnactivelow: what happened in september 2019?Jun 18 02:25
techrights-bot/fn#Debian : #Bullseye and Reliability • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 18 02:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Debian: Bullseye and Reliability | Tux MachinesJun 18 02:25
DaemonFCMinceR, Jabba the Pritzker just unveiled another state spending bill that they admit adds another $500 million to the Illinois deficit.Jun 18 02:25
techrights-bot/fn#Ubuntu and #Canonical Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 18 02:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ubuntu and Canonical Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 18 02:25
DaemonFCSo if they admit $500 million, it's actually much worse.Jun 18 02:25
DaemonFCHe called it "a step towards fiscal responsibility".Jun 18 02:25
techrights-bot/fn#Programming Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 18 02:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Programming Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 18 02:26
DaemonFCFinanced largely with another round of tax hikes, of course.Jun 18 02:26
techrights-bot/fn#Standards /Consortia: #OpenZFS , APIs, and More Web Bloat • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 18 02:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Standards/Consortia: OpenZFS, APIs, and More Web Bloat | Tux MachinesJun 18 02:26
DaemonFCHe also didn't mention that this is apparently the 7th year in a row we're selling the Thomson Center.Jun 18 02:27
DaemonFCAnd I guess it just slipped his mind that the $2.6 billion dollars in American Recovery Plan Act money from the feds is not an ongoing thing.Jun 18 02:27
activelowrbraun: this was the time when the propaganda spook beganJun 18 02:29
MinceRDaemonFC: perhaps the road to fiscal responsibility leads through default and learningJun 18 02:31
techrights-bot/fnElementary OS 6.0 Beta 2 18 02:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | elementary OS 6 Beta 2 Polishes the Installer UI, Adds More Flatpak Apps | Tux MachinesJun 18 02:32
DaemonFCThe Fed loaned Illinois money last year.Jun 18 02:33
techrights-bot/fn#IBM Discussing Raising x86_64 Requirements Or Using #Glibc #HWCAPS - Phoronix ⚓ ䷉ #PhoronixJun 18 02:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fedora Stakeholders Back To Discussing Raising x86_64 Requirements Or Using Glibc HWCAPS - PhoronixJun 18 02:33
DaemonFCI wonder if they'll write it off when the state doesn't pay or suck it out of the state's bank accounts and let other creditors get screwed worse when there's no money to pay any of the daily bills either.Jun 18 02:33
techrights-bot/fn#IBM : let's have a discussion in #ProprietarySoftware #surveillance trap Slack (which IBM also imposed on all employees) 18 02:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ :: I'm hosting a Bug Scrub for Kubernetes SIG NodeJun 18 02:34
DaemonFCOwing people debt with high interest rates is the worst.Jun 18 02:34
techrights-bot/fn#ibm #redhat : RMS NO!!! #apple YES!! 18 02:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Red Hat Coffee Hour - Steve WozniakJun 18 02:35
DaemonFCI didn't appreciate how low the I-Bond rates were and bought some in February. Oops. They're paying 1.68% and I have to wait until the end of August for them to reset to 3.54%.Jun 18 02:35
DaemonFCThen it's likely that months later, it'll reset to something like 5-6%.Jun 18 02:35
DaemonFCInflation is high, the interest rate is high on that money that's in I-Bonds.Jun 18 02:36
DaemonFCBut there's no way to predict what inflation will be. I'd say it's a fair bet it'll be high for a while. The Fed didn't seem to be concerned with inflation this morning.Jun 18 02:36
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DaemonFCBiden is boasting about 7% GDP on a quarterly basis, but from that you must subtract inflation running at 5%.Jun 18 02:37
DaemonFCWhile it's certainly good that GDP is still above inflation, it's not _that much_ above inflation.Jun 18 02:38
DaemonFCAnd it could invert very quickly, leaving us with stagflation.Jun 18 02:38
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DaemonFCThey're playing a dangerous game.Jun 18 02:38
techrights-bot/fn#IBM employees choose only #proprietarysoftware for discussions ("Slack and Zoom") while running petitions to "REMOVE STALLMAN" from the #FSF , which he founded. Boycott IBM?Jun 18 02:38
activelow^ german high court ruled EU violated contracts with Europen Central Bank Jun 18 02:38
DaemonFCIn fact, if you do suppose that the government schemes to understate inflation, it's likely we're at least stagnant right now.Jun 18 02:39
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DaemonFCI trust the inflation numbers more than GDP though.Jun 18 02:39
activelow 18 02:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EU launches infringement proceedings against Germany for bond-buying challenge | News | DW | 09.06.2021Jun 18 02:39
DaemonFCIt's easier to game GDP because of intangibles that the Consumer Price Index doesn't weigh that heavily because they're not actually important to consumers and their wellbeing.Jun 18 02:40
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techrights-bot/fnCaolán McNamara: GTK4 Port: #oubleDecker Notebooks #libreofficeJun 18 02:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Caolán McNamara: GTK4 Port: DoubleDecker NotebooksJun 18 02:40
techrights-bot/fn#VLinux 2021.06.18 is now out #gnu #linux #bandshedJun 18 02:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | AV Linux MX Edition |Jun 18 02:41
DaemonFCThat's hilarious. The EU continues to fall apart as countries apply their own laws above the EU's.Jun 18 02:42
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DaemonFCIf the ECB's bond buying is unconstitutional in Germany, the only way for Germany to apply their court ruling is to quit using the Euro.Jun 18 02:43
activelowthis isn't what High Court ruled, it merely allowed for investigating if EU violated contracts, which they didJun 18 02:44
activelowEU has no legal supremacy by violating their contractsJun 18 02:44
techrights-bot/fn#OpenSSL 3.0 Release Candidate #security #encryptionJun 18 02:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | OpenSSL 3.0 Release Candidate - OpenSSL BlogJun 18 02:44
techrights-bot/fnOur "users in freenode now up to 60," but a lot of the activity is not there anymore. #techrightsJun 18 02:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, June 17, 2021Jun 18 02:46
activelownext joke is EU seeks to sanction germany for EU/ECB itself violating their contractsJun 18 02:47
schestowitz:-)Jun 18 02:49
techrights-bot/fnNew #rustlang release, but it needs to #deletegithub and other #proprietarySoftware trap because, as it stands, Rust is a sort of prison. 18 02:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Announcing Rust 1.53.0 | Rust BlogJun 18 02:52
DaemonFCOpenSSL 3 changes the license to Apache License 2.0.Jun 18 02:53
DaemonFCThat gets rid of the annoying advertising clause and GPL incompatibility.Jun 18 02:53
techrights-bot/fn#Regolith Linux 1.6 Released with Versions Based on Ubuntu 21.04 and 20.04 LTS • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 18 02:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Regolith Linux 1.6 Released with Versions Based on Ubuntu 21.04 and 20.04 LTS | Tux MachinesJun 18 02:53
techrights-bot/fn#OpenSSL 3.0 Release Candidate • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 18 02:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | OpenSSL 3.0 Release Candidate | Tux MachinesJun 18 02:53
techrights-bot/fn#IBM / #RedHat /Fedora • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 18 02:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora | Tux MachinesJun 18 02:54
techrights-bot/fn(I agree) "You will find a word processor installed on almost every desktop computer. The word processor has become an integral part of so many people's workflow. And that's a shame because the word processor is a pointless piece of software. It serves no real purpose..." 18 02:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Word Processors Are Evil And Should Not Exist! - YouTubeJun 18 02:54
techrights-bot/fnThe way things are looking/going, #techrights gemini:// capsule will have served close to a quarter million pages this month alone. Over Gemini alone...Jun 18 02:56
techrights-bot/fn#Ubuntu 20.10 (Groovy Gorilla) Will Reach End Of Life on July 22nd, 2021 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 18 02:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ubuntu 20.10 (Groovy Gorilla) Will Reach End Of Life on July 22nd, 2021 | Tux MachinesJun 18 02:56
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techrights-bot/fnGet Started with Android application development using Linux and Android SDK I did that years ago...Jun 18 02:59
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techrights-bot/fnBag of Freebies for XR Hand Tracking: #MachineLearning & #OpenXR ⚓ ䷉ #collabora | more in 18 03:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bag of Freebies for XR Hand Tracking: Machine Learning & OpenXRJun 18 03:00
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techrights-bot/fn" #RakuLang is full of surprises. Sometimes I read something what that me like “oh, really?”. Sometimes I realize than a fact evident for me is not so obvious for others" #perl #programmingJun 18 03:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Did you know that … - LFlat, The Home of VrurgJun 18 03:01
techrights-bot/fnOle Aamot: GNOME Internet Radio Locator version 11.10 with GeoClue Location View support • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 18 03:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ole Aamot: GNOME Internet Radio Locator version 11.10 with GeoClue Location View support | Tux MachinesJun 18 03:02
techrights-bot/fnThis Arduino device will sort your M&M’s by color | Arduino Blog ⚓ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in 18 03:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | This Arduino device will sort your M&M's by color | Arduino BlogJun 18 03:03
techrights-bot/fnTI’s #AM64x powers three modules and two new #HummingBoard SBCs ⚓ ䷉ #LinuxGizmos #Hardware #Devices #GNU #Linux | more in 18 03:03
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techrights-bot/fn#RaspberryPi #CM4 based controller offers isolated serial and DIO ⚓ ䷉ #LinuxGizmos #Hardware #Devices #GNU #Linux | more in 18 03:04
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techrights-bot/fn#tuxmachines is 17 and #techrights turns 15 very soon. Several more months. 14th: 18 03:06
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techrights-ipfs-bot☞ IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated.  TotalIn: 2.8 GB  •  TotalOut: 496 MBJun 18 03:06
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techrights-bot/fnBased on the past day, for the first time I think, #ipfs traffic at home exceeded 3.3 GB for the day, so we're talking about 100GB per month. We actually had higher rates than that before rate-limiting. #techrightsJun 18 03:08
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techrights-bot/fnAutomated Website Testing with #Selenium ⚓ ䷉ #shibumi | more in 18 03:10
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techrights-bot/fn7,000 signatures by year's end. "Recently, there have been vile online attacks looking to remove him from the FSF board of directors for expressing his personal opinions. We have watched this happen before in an organized fashion with other prominent free software activists and programmers. We will not stand idly this time, when an icon of this community is attacked."Jun 18 03:14
techrights-bot/fnI've been asked who runs and the truth is, I do not know. But I do know that they read #techrights and thanked me for the site more times than I can remember. #gnu #rms #fsf #freeswJun 18 03:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | In Support of Richard Stallman - IntroductionJun 18 03:15
techrights-bot/fnIt's very very very important that we make it very very very clear to large corporations (such as #google #ibm and #microsoft ) that when you attack one of us in the #freesw community you attack all of us and WE WILL RESPOND. Attacks on #softwareFreedom SHOULD be costly.Jun 18 03:17
techrights-bot/fn"I need to make money to pay for my kids" (or mortgage) is NOT an excuse for unethical behaviour or all sorts of concessions/compromises that attack good people. It has been pointed out (and demonstrated loosely, even with data) that many who attack RMS in public have (extended) families to feed, so principles became "less convenient" to them.Jun 18 03:19
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techrights-bot/fnWe are soooooooo going into lockdown by end of summer. wife and I moved into informal 'lockdown' 3 weeks ago, foreseeing this sort of non-linear growth.Jun 18 03:20
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techrights-bot/fn#freenode pulling a "FUCK IT, WE'LL DO IT LIVE!!!" resulted in loss of so many users and channels (who/which I'm sure will never come back). Freenode only has itself to blame at this point. 18 03:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NO TITLEJun 18 03:24
techrights-bot/fnTell me again how #embargo helps innovation and creativity, Germany? #de #germany #patentJun 18 03:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Codified German injunction test divides industries | Managing Intellectual PropertyJun 18 03:26
MinceR:>Jun 18 03:26
MinceRfitting analogyJun 18 03:26
activelowhad been refreshing my memories about novell meanwhileJun 18 03:27
activelowby coincidence Suse has an office nearby where i am living currentlyJun 18 03:28
techrights-bot/fn#Greenwashing with help from the #EPO see 18 03:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NO TITLEJun 18 03:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EPO Abuses Climate Change, Hijacking or Misusing Grassroots Activism for Corporate Public Relations Stunts | TechrightsJun 18 03:28
schestowitzactivelow: Nuremberg? Jun 18 03:29
schestowitzThe place is known for two thingsJun 18 03:29
schestowitzone of them being SUSEJun 18 03:29
activelowyes schestowitzJun 18 03:29
activelowdidn't pay attention to any RPM style system for 15 years, something wasn't right with RedHat9 alreadyJun 18 03:30
activelowalthough this was the first distro i tried, year 2002 iircJun 18 03:30
activelowsame with Solaris: why bother with that? haven't got TI89 schematics and didnt manage motorola assembly yet. who cares.Jun 18 03:31
techrights-bot/fn"Computer Software-Related Invention" seems to have become another truly misleading term or buzzword for illegal software patents of monopolies on maths #swpatsJun 18 03:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Draft amendment to Examination Guidelines for Computer Software-Related Inventions - LexologyJun 18 03:36
techrights-bot/fnOver time #techrights is coding its way AWAY from all sorts of third parties that were a risk and a liability all along. This means undermining the community and censoring the site is becoming very difficult at this point. Lots of contingencies, very few 'chokepoints' that are reachable. I still worry about DNS and ISPs.Jun 18 03:38
techrights-bot/fn#dns is in effect/essence the potential #censorship machine nobody talks about or wants to talk about. In #ipfs we have #ipns to work around DNS while still having some static addressing.Jun 18 03:40
techrights-bot/fnMore #patents on sports or how law firms look to poison everything to artificially inflate prices and exploit poorly-paid athletes; they even use the propaganda term and misnomer "IP" 18 03:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Everyday IP: The Notable IP Of Golf, Basketball And Other Sports - Intellectual Property - LuxembourgJun 18 03:41
techrights-bot/fn#bigTelecom as a #patent extortion vector almost nobody speaks about. They want to get paid without actually doing anything, and cross-licensing means that small players are left out or simply shivering. see 18 03:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Crossed wires: telecoms and tech counsel reveal licensing lows | Managing Intellectual PropertyJun 18 03:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nokia - TechrightsJun 18 03:43
schestowitzshould we do an IRC howto for this network?Jun 18 03:46
schestowitzI'm thinking, those are universal and standardisedJun 18 03:46
schestowitzand already plenty of documentation out there about it...Jun 18 03:46
MinceRergo is a little weird, but maybe its own docs cover thatJun 18 03:46
schestowitzwhat about MOTD?Jun 18 03:47
schestowitzshould we explain how to register?Jun 18 03:47
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Jun 18 03:47
schestowitzI get some queries sometimesJun 18 03:47
MinceRi haven't looked closely at the user guide yetJun 18 03:47
schestowitzand mind you, 90% or more of the activity comes from this network now, from konversation I can no longer connect to freenode anymoreJun 18 03:47
schestowitztried for about 12 hours, with and without sslJun 18 03:47
schestowitzvery weird, spent ages in vain trying to figure our the causeJun 18 03:48
schestowitzI have 2 more hours before part 11 of the epo seriesJun 18 03:48
schestowitzmaybe I'll name basic commands in MOTDJun 18 03:48
schestowitzas per "faq"Jun 18 03:49
schestowitz"Freenode is FOSS"Jun 18 03:49
schestowitz"Freenode is FOSSIL"Jun 18 03:49
schestowitz"Freenode is FOSSIL"Jun 18 03:49
schestowitz"Freenode is FOSSIL"Jun 18 03:50
schestowitz"Freenode is F*"Jun 18 03:50
schestowitzat this point it's very unreliableJun 18 03:50
schestowitzlike I said, I wasted a lot of time today just trying to reconnect to it after some netsplit that affected about 20 usersJun 18 03:50
MinceRhow far does it get?Jun 18 03:50
schestowitzmaybe they even placed a restrictionJun 18 03:50
schestowitz[03:50] [Info] Server found, connecting...Jun 18 03:51
schestowitz[03:50] [Error] Connection to server (port 6697) lost: The remote host closed the connection.Jun 18 03:51
schestowitz[03:50] [Info] Trying to reconnect to (port 6697) in 10 seconds.Jun 18 03:51
schestowitzno kiddingJun 18 03:51
schestowitz12 hours and countingJun 18 03:51
MinceRmaybe it's enough to put a link to   in the motdJun 18 03:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ergo/ at master · ergochat/ergo · GitHubJun 18 03:51
schestowitzsince a netsplitJun 18 03:51
schestowitzMinceR: shithubJun 18 03:51
schestowitzbad opticsJun 18 03:51
XRevan86schestowitz: Huh, I've been poking freenode all day looking at the motd and it connected fine with TLS.Jun 18 03:51
schestowitzI'll pick key commands from thereJun 18 03:51
XRevan86Maybe it's luck, don't know.Jun 18 03:52
schestowitzircd:/# ps aux| wc -lJun 18 03:52
schestowitz9Jun 18 03:52
schestowitzincluding ps itselfJun 18 03:52
activelowbeforce connecting to any IRC service i resolve it's ip address and then use this directly, got one here for freenodeJun 18 03:52
XRevan86activelow: That… is not a great idea.Jun 18 03:53
schestowitzwhat are some static ips or hostnames for freenode?Jun 18 03:53
activelowtoo i am resolving all dns through onion as a precaution since DNS was known to be hijacked for transparent interceptionJun 18 03:53 is oneJun 18 03:53
activelow# host <> shows the IP addressJun 18 03:53
XRevan86The last bastion of classic™ it was, just remembered it, no other reason for the pick.Jun 18 03:54
activelowUnable to connect server ajnvpgl6prmkb7yktvue6im5wiedlz2w32uhcwaamdiecdrfpwwgnlqd.onion port **** [Connection refused]Jun 18 03:56
MinceRno, capone was the last bastionJun 18 03:56
XRevan86MinceR: Correction: the last bastion I cared aboutJun 18 03:57
schestowitzis ascii art in motd frowned upon?Jun 18 03:57
MinceRnoJun 18 03:57
schestowitzthanksJun 18 03:57
MinceRnpJun 18 03:58
XRevan86Is unicode art in motd frowned upon?Jun 18 03:58
schestowitzgood questionJun 18 03:58
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Jun 18 03:58
schestowitzbut I said asciiJun 18 03:58
MinceRi don't think i saw unicode in motd so farJun 18 03:58
schestowitz[03:58] [Info] Server found, connecting...Jun 18 03:58
schestowitz[03:58] [Error] Connection to server (port 6697) lost: Connection refused.Jun 18 03:58
schestowitz[03:58] [Info] Trying to reconnect to (port 6697) in 10 seconds.Jun 18 03:58
schestowitzlol, good luck, mister LeeJun 18 03:58
techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▆▃███▅▇▄▅▇▇▆█▃▄▆▂▃▅▆█▆▅▅▅▃▆▇▄▆▃▆▁ avg(k/sec) 51.60 ▕  IPFS upstream: █▂█▁▂▂▁▁▁▁▂▃▁▂▂▁▁▁▁▃▂▂▂▂▁▁▁▂█▂█▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 71.65▕ swarm size (avg): 224.12  ⟲Jun 18 03:59
schestowitz[03:59] [Error] Connection to server (port 6697) lost: The remote host closed the connection.Jun 18 03:59
schestowitz[03:59] [Info] Trying to reconnect to (port 6697) in 10 seconds.Jun 18 03:59
schestowitzhow to kill an IRC network in less than 4 weeksJun 18 03:59
schestowitzthe "diet plan"Jun 18 04:00
schestowitzmeme:Jun 18 04:00
schestowitzyou don't need many servers when you have little users in the poolJun 18 04:00
XRevan86schestowitz: 18 04:01
schestowitzMinceR: can you remind me how to apply settings like motd stuff?Jun 18 04:03
schestowitzYou gave me some command beforeJun 18 04:03
MinceR/quote rehashJun 18 04:03
schestowitz[04:03] [Error] Connection to server (port 6697) lost: The remote host closed the connection.Jun 18 04:03
schestowitz[04:03] [Info] Trying to reconnect to (port 6697) in 10 seconds.Jun 18 04:03
XRevan86schestowitz: I can definitely connect to that with TLS.Jun 18 04:04 Rehash completeJun 18 04:05
MinceRniceJun 18 04:06
schestowitzcan you see it?Jun 18 04:06
MinceRif i say /motd, yesJun 18 04:06
MinceRbut it's a bit crookedJun 18 04:06
schestowitzit's for fixed length fontsJun 18 04:06
MinceRi am using fixed widthJun 18 04:06
MinceRthough some of those characters may actually be not so fixed widthJun 18 04:07
MinceRunicode is like that :>Jun 18 04:07
XRevan86schestowitz: I have two hypotheses: either ye're not really connecting with TLS or your connection is throttled.Jun 18 04:07
schestowitzMinceR: yes, it's a 'best effort' thingJun 18 04:08
schestowitzthrottled seems possibleJun 18 04:08
schestowitzafter the netsplit it attempted many times to connectJun 18 04:08
schestowitzmaybe their filters are all f-edJun 18 04:08
schestowitzeither way, they go out of their way to block legit usersJun 18 04:08
XRevan86schestowitz: Are ye sure ye don't want the bridge in tuxmachines?Jun 18 04:09
techrights-bot/fn#Techrights Bulletin for Thursday, June 17, 2021 full archive: #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintextJun 18 04:09
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techrights-bot/fn#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now available as plain text @ #dweb #sharingJun 18 04:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Techrights Full IPFS IndexJun 18 04:10
schestowitzI do actuallyJun 18 04:10
schestowitzseeing that the other network is not dependableJun 18 04:10
schestowitzlet me create the channel here...Jun 18 04:10 succeeded,|6667 didn't -> connection refusedJun 18 04:11
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MinceRXRevan86: pingJun 18 04:15
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XRevan86Huh, connection failed to irc.techrights.orgJun 18 04:18
schestowitzis that why the bridge falls?Jun 18 04:18
XRevan86Nah, it couldn't connect to freenode at first. And now to techrightsJun 18 04:19
XRevan86It's actually throttledJun 18 04:21
XRevan86Tell me when I can start it up again.Jun 18 04:22
schestowitztry nowJun 18 04:23
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schestowitzfreenode is definitely doing some throttlingJun 18 04:23
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schestowitzwhich I suppose explains what I experienced since yesterdayJun 18 04:23
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schestowitzI am guessing the throttling happens at their end, not oursJun 18 04:24
XRevan86I regret restarting the bridge.Jun 18 04:24
schestowitzthat's why I was also careful not to hang on any existing IRC clientJun 18 04:24
schestowitzfreenode is very fussy about letting people back inJun 18 04:25
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schestowitzmaybe some kind of rate-limitingJun 18 04:25
schestowitzmaybe they were DDOSedJun 18 04:25
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XRevan86This sucksJun 18 04:25
schestowitz[04:11] <activelow> succeeded,|6667 didn't -> connection refusedJun 18 04:26
schestowitzcould not get back onJun 18 04:26
schestowitz activel0w (~activel0w@freenode-v2p.o8c.cufafo.IP) has left #techrights ("Leaving")Jun 18 04:26
schestowitzfrom freenodeJun 18 04:27
schestowitzboko haram: nobody leaves!Jun 18 04:27
schestowitzfreenode: nobody joins!Jun 18 04:27
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schestowitzwhat's the trick, XRevan86Jun 18 04:28
schestowitzcertain hostname?Jun 18 04:28
XRevan86schestowitz: let me inJun 18 04:28
schestowitz/fnnotice to ALL in FreenodeJun 18 04:29
schestowitz/fnfreenode is turning away many connection attemptsJun 18 04:29
schestowitz/fnif you get refused, use capelle.freenode.netJun 18 04:29
schestowitz/fnin place of chat.freenode.netJun 18 04:29
schestowitz/fnfor now at least (temporarily)Jun 18 04:29
XRevan86Maybe it's just luck, it's pretty random.Jun 18 04:29
activelowschestowitz: your channel was one reason to remain on freenode, why stay there now?Jun 18 04:30
schestowitz/fnwell, for now it is at least working around the limitationJun 18 04:30
schestowitz/fnwhy not stay where you already are and have been for 13+ years? (rhetorical)Jun 18 04:30
XRevan86I can think of a few reasons.Jun 18 04:31
schestowitz/fnwhether we can depend on that network given its many technical issues (as of late) is another questionJun 18 04:31
schestowitz/fntuesday's events forced me to fork over some bots and shift the logging to the other networkJun 18 04:31
schestowitz/fna whole day of downtime and other issues, without even prior notice, is not acceptableJun 18 04:31
schestowitz/fnFrom "Freenode is FOSS" to Freenode is disrupting operations of FOSS projectsJun 18 04:32
MinceRthis server isn't immune to downtime eitherJun 18 04:32
schestowitz/fnmaybe not by intentional, but prudence and care would go a long wayJun 18 04:32
schestowitz/fnMinceR: correct, hence it's good to keep two networksJun 18 04:33
XRevan86schestowitz: Intentional.Jun 18 04:33
XRevan86We've established that yesterday.Jun 18 04:33
schestowitz/fnthe suits call it "multi clown"Jun 18 04:33
schestowitz/fnor multiclownJun 18 04:33
schestowitzwill test tuxmachines bridgeJun 18 04:34
techrights-bot/fnIf you are attempting to connect to #freenode and they turn away your connection (ongoing issue, BIG BIG issue), try temporarily using in place of (until their sort out their issues)Jun 18 04:36
schestowitzworks ok, thanks XRevan86!Jun 18 04:36
schestowitzwait, actually it did not workJun 18 04:37
schestowitzdoes giving it op help RELAY?Jun 18 04:38
MinceRit needs op to send RELAYMSG, but afaict that is not enabled on freenode anywayJun 18 04:38
MinceRand it can send RELAYMSG hereJun 18 04:38
techrights-bot/fnOle Aamot: GNOME Internet Radio Locator version 11.10 with GeoClue Location View support • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 18 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ole Aamot: GNOME Internet Radio Locator version 11.10 with GeoClue Location View support | Tux MachinesJun 18 04:38
schestowitzOK, I think it needed opJun 18 04:39
schestowitznow that works thereJun 18 04:39
schestowitzdoes bridge automatically attempt to obtain operator status?  Upon connection?Jun 18 04:39
schestowitzactivel0w is now back online at freenode.netJun 18 04:41
schestowitzwe still don't know what runs the web site/wwwJun 18 04:42
schestowitzthey don't sayJun 18 04:42
XRevan86No idea. It gets op here automatically though, but it could be something else doing that.Jun 18 04:42
schestowitzsome of us tried finding out what's behind clownflareJun 18 04:42
schestowitz still says nothing, since a week+ agoJun 18 04:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | freenodeJun 18 04:42
schestowitz 404—Not FoundJun 18 04:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ )Jun 18 04:43
XRevan86Not going to restart it just yet to find out.Jun 18 04:43
schestowitzpage source suggests it is custom-madeJun 18 04:43
schestowitz Error 522 18 04:45
schestowitzoh, dear...Jun 18 04:45
schestowitz>Jun 18 04:45
schestowitz    <a href=""><i class="fa fa-gitlab fa-lg"></i></a>&nbsp;Jun 18 04:45
schestowitzthey at least link to their gitLAB siteJun 18 04:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 522 @ )Jun 18 04:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | freenode-web / web-7-0 · GitLabJun 18 04:45
schestowitzI convinced them to move to self-hosted git hosting, I thinkJun 18 04:45
techrights-bot/fnI asked #freenode to #deletegithub and move to #selfhosting #git and that worked. 18 04:46
schestowitzgood luck finding out what IP really powers their siteJun 18 04:47
schestowitzthey hide behind clownflare for any request I make, even bad onesJun 18 04:47
techrights-bot/fn#patents on pot. #epo .. you're stoned!! 18 04:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ )Jun 18 04:48
schestowitzXRevan86: just noticed, for the first time ever, MEDUZA in Google News!Jun 18 04:48
techrights-bot/fn"Drug money In 2011, the Russian government launched a multibillion-dollar gambit to strengthen the country’s pharmaceutical industry. Ten years later, it’s led to a wave of arrests — and not much else." 18 04:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NO TITLEJun 18 04:49
schestowitzBut the MEDUZA RSS feed has been broken for over 2 weeksJun 18 04:49
schestowitzso I receive no updates from that site otherwise..Jun 18 04:49
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schestowitzAriadne: the container of ergo does not have tools like rsync, so I'm not sure how to make a complete backup of itJun 18 04:51
schestowitzthough I suppose hv can make nightly blobs out of it for D-R's sakeJun 18 04:51
techrights-bot/fnAs always, to know what goes on 'behind the scenes' at #techrights in (almost) real time visit or just come to IRCJun 18 04:53
techrights-bot/fnVirtual Injustice -- Part 10 in progress. Will be out 6am GMT. #techrights #epo #corruption #patents #maladministrationJun 18 04:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft no longer offers Windows 7 drivers via Windows UpdateJun 18 05:16
AdmFubar 18 05:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | For hacked companies, paying a ransom may not work: Many say they paid but were attacked againJun 18 05:22
schestowitzmorning, AdmFubardJun 18 05:22
techrights-bot/fn#microsoft #windows #proprietarySoftware #DumpThisCrap 18 05:24
techrights-bot/fnCracked, not "hacked" and usually due to #proprietarySoftware e.g. 18 05:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | TechrightsJun 18 05:24
AdmFubarmorning for you.... will be nighty night time for me.. :)Jun 18 05:26
techrights-bot/fnIf you pay ransom money and then stay with the same #proprietarySoftware that brought in #ransomware in the first place, then you deserve to be blackmailed again and again. Until you learn a lesson and move to #freesw ... without back doors as part of the design 18 05:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft and the NSA - TechrightsJun 18 05:26
schestowitzAdmFubar: I see...Jun 18 05:27
schestowitzBTW, in channel/network message we now have user registration tipJun 18 05:27
schestowitzas that may help those who like you failed to log inJun 18 05:27
schestowitztype /motd in network screenJun 18 05:28
techrights-bot/fn#Arduino and GNU/Linux Devices • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 18 05:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Arduino and GNU/Linux Devices | Tux MachinesJun 18 05:28
techrights-bot/fn#uspto #fakepatents #ptab #boguspatents "one of the IPR plaintiffs, continued the IPR action after Apple settled, and that on June 6, the PTAB issued a Final Written Decision finding all challenged claims (1-3 and 5-13) to be unpatentable (the patent has a total of 22 claims)." 18 05:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Guest Post by Prof. Contreras: Shepardizing Patents | Patently-OJun 18 05:30
activelowpatent trolling too harms those who legitimately seeked to protect their rightsJun 18 05:31
techrights-bot/fn#IBM does not understand its competition? #redhat #crisisJun 18 05:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM does not understand its competition? - post regarding IBM layoffsJun 18 05:32
techrights-bot/fn#ibm #morale "Things are getting worse here daily. The toxic work environment has completely snuffed out any joy I had in doing my job and don't even get me started on all the bu-----t politics we have to deal with all the time." 18 05:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | This is getting tiresome - post regarding IBM layoffsJun 18 05:32
DaemonFC 18 05:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Hungary passes law barring pornography, pro-LGBT content for minorsJun 18 05:33
DaemonFCThe Catholics are celebrating Orban's censorship law, which contains many of the same elements as Russia's "gay propaganda" law.Jun 18 05:34
techrights-bot/fnOn #ibm #redhat : "So why was yours truly DT shocked? It's simple. Here was our CEO acknowledging that we will hit 5b this year. Not 10b in two years or 15b in five years. All that effort. All that money. And still growth that leaves us floundering." 18 05:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Memo re Red Hat - post regarding IBM layoffsJun 18 05:34
techrights-bot/fn"The end of IBM... a slow and painful death..." #ibm #redhat #financialEngineering #CookingTheBooks 18 05:35
techrights-bot/fn"I thought companies would want to hire ex IBMers, but maybe those of us up in age, are not looked upon as a good hire." #ibm #layoffs 18 05:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Any recent IBMers having luck in the job market ? - post regarding IBM layoffsJun 18 05:36
activelowexposing minors to pornography isn't in compliance with law in germany too, operatores of this business must present a confirmation dialog <age18>Jun 18 05:36
activelowhadn't noticed any outcry yet except if it is directed towards political opponentsJun 18 05:37
techrights-bot/fn" #IBM is the worst company to work for. Execs are clueless and uninspiring. Get out - life is much better outside that dump." 18 05:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBMers are not motivated and don't want to work - post regarding IBM layoffsJun 18 05:37
techrights-bot/fnPure gold and I can relate: 'I haven't had a pay-rise in years, but each year I make sure my hourly rate goes up.' 18 05:37
DaemonFCWell, a site has no idea who is accessing it.Jun 18 05:38
techrights-bot/fn"This is what happens when folks feel like they are on a sinking ship and just waiting for the RA to hit them." 18 05:38
techrights-bot/fn"In a mix of intended and unintended actions, IBM did just about everything it could do to demotivate its employees. And here we are. Ever unward." 18 05:39
AdmFubarPoor lil ibm... whoda thunk that  a company built on revenge would go under after all these years...Jun 18 05:41
AdmFubar:PJun 18 05:41
schestowitzit has little time left to liveJun 18 05:41
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schestowitzmaybe under a decade imhoJun 18 05:41
schestowitzso it's attacking everyone nowJun 18 05:41
schestowitzeven its ownJun 18 05:41
schestowitzfedora, centos, fsfJun 18 05:41
schestowitzlet them die alreadyJun 18 05:41
schestowitzso they can leave us all aloneJun 18 05:41
schestowitzit's another novellJun 18 05:42
schestowitz[05:31] <activelow> patent trolling too harms those who legitimately seeked to protect their rightsJun 18 05:42
schestowitzthat harms this system's credibilityJun 18 05:43
schestowitzwhich I think is why some in the microcosm have grown concernedJun 18 05:43
schestowitztheir occupation is getting a really bad rapJun 18 05:43
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techrights-bot/fnOngoing discussion about using compression in #geminiProtocol transmissions (we already have #encryption but compression for short texts?) 18 05:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | a space case for transparent gemtext compressionJun 18 05:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | a space case for transparent gemtext compressionJun 18 05:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | a space case for transparent gemtext compressionJun 18 05:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | a space case for transparent gemtext compressionJun 18 05:46
techrights-bot/fnWhen you work for a company and work experience that you gained becomes like some sort of 'possession crime'; this is what happens when laws are written for and passed for the rich. 18 05:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Counsel: job hoppers spark China trade secrets challenges | Managing Intellectual PropertyJun 18 05:48
techrights-bot/fnTell me when #patent attorneys actually learn how to use #encryption (and actually start using it). For now, all that #confidentiality and #privilege talk is pure comedy and false promises. 18 05:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Communication with your Attorney | Patently-OJun 18 05:50
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AdmFubar 18 05:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No, NFTs aren’t copyrights – TechCrunchJun 18 05:56
schestowitzlolJun 18 05:57
schestowitzNFTJun 18 05:57
schestowitzhumanity gone wrongJun 18 05:57
schestowitzlet them eat NFT...Jun 18 05:57
schestowitz 18 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens | ReutersJun 18 05:58
AdmFubar 18 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-With iOS 15, Apple reveals just how far Health has come — and how much further it can go – TechCrunchJun 18 05:58
schestowitz'health'Jun 18 05:58
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techrights-bot/fn#surveillance spun as 'health' -- the same propaganda I've been warning about for years. Being oppressed is "Safety" and "Good for you!!" #aol #lol #appleJun 18 05:59
AdmFubar 18 06:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fârnhäan 2.0 - Fârnhäan Fit - YouTubeJun 18 06:00
techrights-bot/fnThe more "smart" things you have at home and carry around with you, the dumber you're likely to be... or more gullible. #marketing #gimmicks #surveillance #junkJun 18 06:00
techrights-bot/fn#surveillance as 'health' #spying #SurveillanceCapitalism #SurveillanceState #SmartShitJun 18 06:02
techrights-bot/fnVirtual Injustice -- Part 10: Vapid and Superficial Coverage in the 'IP' Blogosphere #epo #corruption #europe #patents #kangarooCourtsJun 18 06:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Virtual Injustice — Part 10: Vapid and Superficial Coverage in the ‘IP’ Blogosphere | TechrightsJun 18 06:03
AdmFubar 18 06:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Le Show - Harry ShearerJun 18 06:04
schestowitznew freenode:Jun 18 06:06
schestowitz[04:28] [Users] Current users on the network: 25257  Max: 28291Jun 18 06:06
schestowitz[04:28] [Users] 23378 channels formedJun 18 06:06
schestowitzthey used to be double or more that figureJun 18 06:06
schestowitzjust a month backJun 18 06:06
schestowitzit takes a lot of talent to lose that many that fastJun 18 06:06
AdmFubarI had a feeling it wasn't going to work out. I hoped it would..Jun 18 06:07
AdmFubar 18 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nvidia’s $40 Billion Takeover of Arm Faces New Foe: European Vacations — The InformationJun 18 06:10
AdmFubar 18 06:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-On a growth tear, DuckDuckGo reveals it picked up $100M in secondary investment last year – TechCrunchJun 18 06:11
AdmFubar 18 06:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Think Tech Companies Are Too Monopolistic? Then Stop Giving Them Patent Monopolies | TechdirtJun 18 06:12
schestowitzyes, seen thatJun 18 06:12
schestowitztechcrunch became really awful under AOLJun 18 06:13
schestowitzseems like MSM and PR junkJun 18 06:13
schestowitzthey used to do exclusives under ArringtonJun 18 06:13
schestowitzDDG is a scamJun 18 06:13
schestowitz 18 06:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why You Should Avoid DuckDuckGo (DDG) 2021 Edition, Now Microsoft-Hosted and With Extra Privacy Risks | TechrightsJun 18 06:13
AdmFubar 18 06:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FBI Ignored Its Own Warrant And Search Policies To Seize Millions From People's Safety Deposit Boxes | TechdirtJun 18 06:13
schestowitzalll those who promote this scam are complicit, unusually unwittinglyJun 18 06:13
AdmFubar 18 06:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Your spacesuit ran into a problem and needs to restart • The RegisterJun 18 06:15
AdmFubar 18 06:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft loves Linux so much that has fallen and can't get up • The RegisterJun 18 06:15
AdmFubarme thinks there is a lil blue pill for thatJun 18 06:16
AdmFubar 18 06:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Tim Cook: Sideloading is a disaster and proposed App Store reforms would harm user privacy and security • The RegisterJun 18 06:16
AdmFubarunlike nowJun 18 06:17
AdmFubar 18 06:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bill To Automatically Delete Pirated Content From Search Engines Submitted in Russia * TorrentFreakJun 18 06:17
techrights-bot/fnMeme: Swedish Justice #sweden #kangarooCourt #epo #corruption #patentsJun 18 06:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] Swedish Justice | TechrightsJun 18 06:19
AdmFubar 18 06:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Device Makers Have Funneled Billions to Orthopedic Surgeons Who Use Their Products | naked capitalismJun 18 06:21
schestowitzhmmmJun 18 06:23
techrights-bot/fnToday in #Techrights • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 18 06:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJun 18 06:25
techrights-bot/fn#bribery #kickbacks 18 06:26
AdmFubar 18 06:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft’s Linux repositories were down for 18+ hours | Ars TechnicaJun 18 06:27
AdmFubar 18 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Here’s what’s inside Google’s first-ever retail store | Ars TechnicaJun 18 06:29
AdmFubar 18 06:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | World Bank slams bitcoin, declines to help El Salvador’s cryptocurrency plan | Ars TechnicaJun 18 06:30
AdmFubar 18 06:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ohio Republicans close to imposing near-total ban on municipal broadband | Ars TechnicaJun 18 06:30
AdmFubar 18 06:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ten-year hacktivist fugitive Commander X arrested in Mexico | Ars TechnicaJun 18 06:31
AdmFubar 18 06:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A new HTTP spec proposes elimination of obnoxious “cookie banners” | Ars TechnicaJun 18 06:36
AdmFubarok out for the night...Jun 18 06:40
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techrights-ipfs-bot ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▇▅▄▅▃▄▄▅▅▆▇▅▆▄▅▆▅▄▅▂▃▄▇▄▆▇▄▄▆█▇▅▆█▆▆▁ avg(k/sec) 48.75 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▂▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▃▂▂▁▁▁▁▁▂▂▁▁▁▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 20.16▕ swarm size (avg): 258.71  ⟲Jun 18 07:59
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #DataSwamp ☞ Run your Gemini server on Guix with Agate 18 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Solene's percent % : Run your Gemini server on Guix with AgateJun 18 08:23
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #NBC #ProprietarySoftware ☞ 50,000 security disasters waiting to happen: The problem of America's water supplies 18 08:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A hacker tried to poison a Calif. water supply. It was as easy as entering a password.Jun 18 08:25
techrights-bot/fn#Microsoft #Windows TCO: ● #Vice #ProprietarySoftware ☞ #Police Bust Major Ransomware Gang Cl0p 18 08:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Police Bust Major Ransomware Gang Cl0pJun 18 08:25
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #ITWire #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Proofpoint identifies malware targeting government institutions 18 08:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Proofpoint identifies malware targeting government institutionsJun 18 08:25
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #CopenhagenPost #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Christian Eriksen to get an implantable cardioverter-defibrillator unit 18 08:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Christian Eriksen to get an implantable cardioverter-defibrillator unit - The PostJun 18 08:26
techrights-bot/fn#Microsoft #Windows TCO: ● #TheEconomist #ProprietarySoftware ☞ To stop the ransomware pandemic, start with the basics 18 08:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-To stop the ransomware pandemic, start with the basics | The EconomistJun 18 08:26
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techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #EestiRahvusringhääling #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ President discusses biometric data act with EKRE leader 18 08:38
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techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #TechTimes #Environment ☞ #NASA , #NOAA New Satellite Datasets Show Earth's Doubled Heat Is Like Dropping Four #Hiroshima Atomic Bombs Every Second! 18 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NASA, NOAA New Satellite Datasets Show Earth's Doubled Heat Is Like Dropping Four Hiroshima Atomic Bombs Every Second! | Tech TimesJun 18 08:38
techrights-bot/fnWorld Bank slams bitcoin, declines to help El Salvador’s cryptocurrency plan | Ars Technica ⚓ ䷉ #arstechnicaJun 18 08:40
techrights-bot/fnOhio Republicans close to imposing near-total ban on municipal broadband | Ars Technica ⚓ ䷉ #arstechnicaJun 18 08:41
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #TheHill #Politics ☞ Senators unveil legislation to crack down on cyber criminals 18 08:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Senators unveil legislation to crack down on cyber criminals | TheHillJun 18 08:45
techrights-bot/fnThe media has come under attack by #BenoîtBattistelli ; during the term of #AntónioCampinos most of the media critical of the #EPO has mostly vanished already; so one needs to look carefully at comments and #socialcontrolmedia • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.o <clipped message>Jun 18 08:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Virtual Injustice — Part 10: Vapid and Superficial Coverage in the ‘IP’ Blogosphere | TechrightsJun 18 08:47
techrights-bot/fnThe EPO‘s #patent tribunals have been mostly symbolic under the #BenoîtBattistelli and #AntónioCampinos regimes • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #EPO | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 18 08:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] Swedish Justice | TechrightsJun 18 08:48
techrights-bot/fn"... Palantir and Jigsaw are not into advertising ..." 18 08:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ask the Caveman: Are All Social Media Apps Bad?Jun 18 08:50
techrights-bot/fnGood summary of how #freenode simply harmed itself this past Tuesday (very very dark day to those of who who still relied on freenode) 18 08:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Freenode Is Now Dead: Birth Of A New FreenodeJun 18 08:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Nextcloud 📱☁️💻: "The Dutch Data Protection Authority advises Dutch…" - MastodonJun 18 09:00
techrights-bot/fn"It does appear that Microsoft's been doing a fair bit of swotting on Linux desktops when designing Windows 11. Unsurprising. Microsoft have been slowly copying all the many innovations to user interfaces created by #FOSS communities." 18 09:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Dave Lane: "It does appear that Microsoft's been doing a fair…" - Mastodon - NZOSSJun 18 09:04
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techrights-bot/fn“The confidentiality of communications protects Art.7 right to #privacy. The European Court has repeatedly ruled against wholesale surveillance of communications on that basis and as such this derogation does not comply with the Charter and is a breach of EU law.” 18 09:06
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techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #VOANews #PressFreedom ☞ Detained American Journalist Appears in #Myanmar Special Court 18 09:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Detained American Journalist Appears in Myanmar Special Court | Voice of America - EnglishJun 18 09:07
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #TheEconomist #PressFreedom #hk ☞ Hong Kong’s liberal media are under pressure 18 09:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hong Kong’s liberal media are under pressure | The EconomistJun 18 09:08
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #BroadbandBreakfast #Internet ☞ Congress Must Prioritize Connectivity in Underserved Areas Over Higher Speeds 18 09:11
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techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #BBC #Copyrights ☞ #Pornhub videos: Women sue, alleging lack of consent 18 09:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pornhub videos: Women sue, alleging lack of consent - BBC NewsJun 18 09:13
techrights-bot/fnThe #meduza RSS feed has not been updating since May 21th, i.e. nearly a month ago. They never reply to me when I report such issues to them (as happened before). They dig their own grave at a time they could use allies/traffic. 18 09:15
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ Bill To Automatically Delete Pirated Content From Search Engines Submitted in Russia 18 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bill To Automatically Delete Pirated Content From Search Engines Submitted in Russia * TorrentFreakJun 18 09:15
immibisDaemonFC_phone: you're okay with the extinction of humanity due to climate change, then?Jun 18 09:16
schestowitz[09:17] <techrights-bot/fn> ● NEWS ● #ClimateNewsNetwork #climate ☞ UK’s 'really shocking' climate record is damned 18 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | UK’s 'really shocking' climate record is damned | Climate News NetworkJun 18 09:17
techrights-bot/fnThe #SelfHosting Song • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 18 09:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Self-Hosting Song | TechrightsJun 18 09:20
techrights-bot/fnCautionary tales about outsourcing one’s systems to companies that could not care less about anyone but themselves • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #clownComputing #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 18 09:21
techrights-bot/fn𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 #IRC Proceedings: Thursday, June 17, 2021 • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 18 09:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRC Proceedings: Thursday, June 17, 2021 | TechrightsJun 18 09:21
techrights-bot/fnHELP! PLEASE!!! What #ibm did to #fedora ... 18 09:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Write for Fedora Magazine, please! - Fedora MagazineJun 18 09:24
immibis<activelow> btw. the public propaganda and agitation is illegal according to §130StgB in germany, which makes me wonder why most of involved politicians and media agitators aren't jailed yet <-- you mean why people aren't jailed for saying covid is dangerous and should be stopped?Jun 18 09:26
techrights-bot/fnSince becoming #selfhosted the #irc logs in #techrights have been longer, as the channels became even more active than before. Yesterday: gemini:// 18 09:26
schestowitzimmibis: covid id dangerousJun 18 09:27
schestowitzpeople who say it is not should be ignoredJun 18 09:27
schestowitzif not laughed atJun 18 09:27
schestowitzthat should typically sufficeJun 18 09:27
schestowitzin better educated countries that would workJun 18 09:27
immibisif only we'd decided to stop it 14 months ago. We could've had 14 extra months of lifeJun 18 09:28
immibisactivelow appears to be one of those people who say that covid is not dangerous, and that people who promoted the "narrative" that it is dangerous should be in jail for "terrorism"Jun 18 09:28
schestowitzwhatever :-)Jun 18 09:29
immibisNZers got to keep about 10-12 of their 14 monthsJun 18 09:29
schestowitzthose people get ignored faster in IRCJun 18 09:29
immibissadly, ignoring people doesn't stop them forming echo chambers, recruiting new members, and then votingJun 18 09:29
schestowitzUk wants people to think they can be overconfident and back to the office once they got the jabJun 18 09:30
schestowitzI suppose that's partly done by people with investments in office spaceJun 18 09:30
schestowitzand who also own some of the mediaJun 18 09:30
immibis cases for berlin (click on "Zeitlicher Verlauf")Jun 18 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Corona-Lagebericht - Berlin.deJun 18 09:30
schestowitzNZ is fairly well educated a country, a lot like scandinavian nationsJun 18 09:31
immibisit seems enough people have gotten jabbed for covid to plummet like a rockJun 18 09:31
schestowitzFB is disinfo amplifier, all across the spectrumJun 18 09:31
immibishowever, i wish they hadn't reopened stuff in february, because maybe we could have saved 5 monthsJun 18 09:31
immibisand gotten here in marchJun 18 09:31
immibiss/5/3/Jun 18 09:31
schestowitzok, bbiabJun 18 09:32
schestowitzneed to do exerciseJun 18 09:32
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #EFF #police ☞ Emails from 2016 Show #Amazon Ring's Hold on the #LAPD Through Camera Giveaways 18 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Emails from 2016 Show Amazon Ring's Hold on the LAPD Through Camera Giveaways | Electronic Frontier FoundationJun 18 09:33
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux ☞ Pico Pico Synth | HackSpace #44 18 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pico Pico Synth | HackSpace #44 - Raspberry PiJun 18 09:35
Ariadne[03:28] <immibis> if only we'd decided to stop it 14 months ago. We could've had 14 extra months of lifeJun 18 09:36
Ariadnewyoming never shutdown fully, but strict quarantine requirements were put in place for anyone enteringJun 18 09:36
Ariadnethe vaccine rollout was a total disaster thoJun 18 09:37
Ariadnethey went from doing a decent quarantine to absolute garbage vaccine rolloutJun 18 09:37
immibisyesterday i saw someone complaining about the mandatory testing in germany. you can't be anti-vaccines AND anti-testing unless you are simply pro-COVIDJun 18 09:51
immibisbecause widespread testing is a way to stop COVID *without* vaccinesJun 18 09:51
gustafimmibis: there's nothing really rational about antivaxxJun 18 09:56
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immibisindeedJun 18 09:56
gustafwe had idiots protesting here in Sweden, even if we're the country with the least restrictions imainable Jun 18 09:57
immibisthey've started calling themselves "not antivax, just anti this vax"Jun 18 09:57
gustafstalking horseJun 18 09:58
gustafgot my 2nd jab appointmentJun 18 09:58
gustafmy wife felt quite poorly after hersJun 18 09:58
gustafso planning for that Jun 18 09:58
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Ariadnebut will you have improved wifi receptionJun 18 10:06
Ariadneto be clear widespread testing (like they did in wyoming) only works if people will actually quarantineJun 18 10:07
Ariadnemost americans will be likeJun 18 10:07
Ariadnemuh freedomsJun 18 10:08
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #Techdirt #Antitrust ☞ Recent Antitrust Push Is Weirdly Narrow, Pretends Telecom And Banking Don't Exist 18 10:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Recent Antitrust Push Is Weirdly Narrow, Pretends Telecom And Banking Don't Exist | TechdirtJun 18 10:11
techrights-bot/fn#techdirt would have likely mentioned #BigOil too if it hadn't received money from the #koch brothers...Jun 18 10:11
schestowitz[09:51] <immibis> yesterday i saw someone complaining about the mandatory testing in germany. you can't be anti-vaccines AND anti-testing unless you are simply pro-COVIDJun 18 10:12
schestowitzor self-isolating, working from homeJun 18 10:12
schestowitzwe do about a million tests a day hereJun 18 10:12
schestowitzwe isolated ourselves 3 weeks agoJun 18 10:13
schestowitzwe only met one friend and a bunch of young cattleJun 18 10:13
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #Techdirt #canada #Privacy ☞ Canadian Privacy Commissioner Says #RCMP Broke The Law By Doing Business With #Clearview 18 10:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Canadian Privacy Commissioner Says RCMP Broke The Law By Doing Business With Clearview | TechdirtJun 18 10:14
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #PapersPlease ☞ #DHS still evades review of #nofly orders 18 10:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | DHS still evades review of no-fly orders – Papers, Please!Jun 18 10:15
techrights-bot/fnDash to Panel Extension is Now Available for GNOME 40 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 18 10:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Dash to Panel Extension is Now Available for GNOME 40 | Tux MachinesJun 18 10:15
Ariadnemy understanding is that the mandatory covid testing is only for in office settingJun 18 10:16
schestowitzyeahJun 18 10:16
Ariadneand employees do have the right to declineJun 18 10:16
Ariadnebut employers are obligated to offerJun 18 10:16
schestowitzthey can be forced to stay home for 2 weeksJun 18 10:16
schestowitzall those "apps" are becoming something one can only ever lose from, but I recognise some people have no choice but to meet people at workJun 18 10:17
schestowitzour gov. might soon recommend making home-working the permanent standard where feasibleJun 18 10:17
schestowitza friend gave me his third monitor, so now we have 10 screens here, it covers anything imaginableJun 18 10:17
schestowitzalso gives heat in winter :-)Jun 18 10:17
Ariadneat least jitsi runs in the browserJun 18 10:18
schestowitzanecdoteJun 18 10:18
Ariadnegoogle meet lets you just dial inJun 18 10:18
schestowitzthis friend's partner, 49 years old, collapse 3 times in the past few weeksJun 18 10:18
schestowitzabout a month after she got the AZ jab, I thinkJun 18 10:19
schestowitzthey cannot figure out what it is or how to put an end to those random fallsJun 18 10:19
schestowitzmy friend regrets taking it himself. he got it and said if he was asked again, he's say noJun 18 10:19
Ariadnei would stick with the mRNA based vaccinesJun 18 10:20
schestowitzI want not AZ oneJun 18 10:20
Ariadnethey seem to be the most preciseJun 18 10:20
Ariadnewith minimal side effectsJun 18 10:20
schestowitzfor now we practice self-isolationJun 18 10:20
Ariadnei got both pfizer jabs back in marchJun 18 10:20
Ariadnei’m fineJun 18 10:20
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #TruthOut ☞ #Montana Is Making It Harder for Transgender People to Amend Birth Certificates 18 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Montana Is Making It Harder for Transgender People to Amend Birth CertificatesJun 18 10:21
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #Medicare ☞ After #SCOTUS Upholds ACA, Progressives Set Sights on Medicare for All 18 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | After SCOTUS Upholds ACA, Progressives Set Sights on Medicare for All | Common Dreams NewsJun 18 10:21
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ After Eight Years And Three Reviews Of The Case, #Indiana Supreme Court Rules Police Must Return Seized Car To Its Owner 18 10:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-After Eight Years And Three Reviews Of The Case, Indiana Supreme Court Rules Police Must Return Seized Car To Its Owner | TechdirtJun 18 10:23
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ #FCC Gives ISP $8,000 To Deliver #Broadband Five Feet From Apple's $5 Billion Campus 18 10:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FCC Gives ISP $8,000 To Deliver Broadband Five Feet From Apple's $5 Billion Campus | TechdirtJun 18 10:24
techrights-bot/fnOutrage at #ProPublica Tax Leaks Underscores Their Importance 18 10:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Outrage at ProPublica Tax Leaks Underscores Their Importance - FAIRJun 18 10:24
techrights-bot/fnIT IS NOT ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE HATE YOU. It is all about WHO hates you and WHY.Jun 18 10:25
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #EFF ☞ Changing Section 230 Won’t Make the Internet a Kinder, Gentler Place 18 10:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Changing Section 230 Won’t Make the Internet a Kinder, Gentler Place | Electronic Frontier FoundationJun 18 10:25
gustafPfizer here tooJun 18 10:27
gustafAZ for the oldzJun 18 10:27
immibisgustaf: note it seems to vary a lot. My first one was terrible (but for only one day), my second one was almost unnoticeableJun 18 10:27
gustafyeah I felt nada for my firstJun 18 10:28
schestowitzthey need to test people for antibodies before choosingJun 18 10:28
schestowitzbut some of the rollouts are 'lazy'Jun 18 10:28
immibisby the way, regarding apps, we should not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Apps can be used for both good and evilJun 18 10:28
schestowitzit's a genetic termJun 18 10:28
schestowitzI was referring to one specific typeJun 18 10:28
immibiseven governments (gasp!) are capable of both good and evilJun 18 10:29
schestowitzthe sort of "apps" that can get you home-bound just because a neighbour tested positiveJun 18 10:29
gustafthat's not tech, that's policy Jun 18 10:29
schestowitzthe app enforces poor policyJun 18 10:29
schestowitzthey should instead test youJun 18 10:30
immibisif the app finds you were in close proximity to someone who tests positive, aren't you only required to get a test, and isolate until your test?Jun 18 10:30
gustafis't covid so endemic now that that kind of contact tracing is useless? Jun 18 10:30
gustafbbl lunchJun 18 10:30
schestowitzthose apps gave a false sense of confidenceJun 18 10:30
schestowitzsame for the jabs, here and thereJun 18 10:31
immibisactually. does the app actually enforce anything at all? I thought it just told you that you might have covidJun 18 10:31
schestowitzpeople who think they are invulnerable nowJun 18 10:31
schestowitzand then go about without masks and totally carelessJun 18 10:31
immibisgustaf: apparently it's too much work for humans to do... which is *why* it'd be good for a system to do itJun 18 10:31
schestowitzimmibis: I was told they can enforce based on itJun 18 10:31
Ariadnesome apps, like the one wyoming uses, does enforce a quarantineJun 18 10:32
immibisalso consider that quarantining too many people is better than quarantining too fewJun 18 10:32
Ariadneduring the quarantine period you have to do daily checkingJun 18 10:32
immibisif you quarantine the right amount or too many then soon there will be no need for a quarantine at allJun 18 10:32
Ariadneand if you don’t then you will get an angry phone callJun 18 10:32
schestowitzwe're losing control of it hereJun 18 10:32
schestowitzif you go out there to town you can see whyJun 18 10:32
Ariadneand if you still ignore it, you’ll get cops maybeJun 18 10:32
Ariadneidk Jun 18 10:32
Ariadnewhere i live there is not even electric gridJun 18 10:33
schestowitzwe stopped the gym membershipJun 18 10:33
immibisberlin cases are dropping despite opening lots. vaccines workJun 18 10:33
schestowitzfirst time in decades... and our stupid Pry Minister wanted us to think it would be over or was all over a year ago ^_^Jun 18 10:33
immibiscould have been, if people were smartJun 18 10:36
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schestowitzimmibis: people were Smart(TM). They "GOT THE APP"Jun 18 11:38
schestowitzwatch out, coronavirsus, we have "APPS"!!Jun 18 11:38
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #Techdirt #au ☞ #Australia Official Admits That Of Course #Murdoch Came Up With Link Tax, But Insists The Bill Is Not A Favor To News Corp. 18 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Australian Official Admits That Of Course Murdoch Came Up With Link Tax, But Insists The Bill Is Not A Favor To News Corp. | TechdirtJun 18 11:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Wood bison - WikipediaJun 18 11:58
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gustafat least Sweden has dropped off everyone's radar as dire warning/beacon of hopeJun 18 11:58
schestowitz 18 12:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 43 Highland cow ideas | highland cow, cow, highland cattleJun 18 12:00
techrights-bot/fn#DevSecOps : An open source story • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 18 12:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | DevSecOps: An open source story | Tux MachinesJun 18 12:21
techrights-bot/fn5 more reasons to run Kubernetes in your Linux homelab • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 18 12:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 5 more reasons to run Kubernetes in your Linux homelab | Tux MachinesJun 18 12:23
techrights-bot/fn#Videomass – cross-platform GUI for FFmpeg and youtube-dl • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 18 12:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Videomass – cross-platform GUI for FFmpeg and youtube-dl | Tux MachinesJun 18 12:23
techrights-bot/fn#LibreOffice 7.2 Beta1 is available for testing • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 18 12:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LibreOffice 7.2 Beta1 is available for testing | Tux MachinesJun 18 12:23
techrights-bot/fnGoogle #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 18 12:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 18 12:24
techrights-bot/fn● NEWS ● #CounterPunch #Monopolies ☞ Break-Up Big Tech? Amazon, a Public Utility?: Keep Your Fingers Crossed 18 12:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Break-Up Big Tech? Amazon, a Public Utility?: Keep Your Fingers Crossed - CounterPunch.orgJun 18 12:25
techrights-bot/fn#HowTo Browse with #Tor to Protect Your Privacy Online ⚓ ䷉ #linuxiac | more in 18 12:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to Browse with Tor to Protect Your Privacy OnlineJun 18 12:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsJun 18 12:32
immibisschestowitz: watch out coronavirus, we have *not spreading coronavirus*. Apps are just one way to try and not spread it.Jun 18 12:32
techrights-bot/fn#microsoftTim promotes #systemd like it's a #microsoft product (well, it is being developed using Microsoft's #proprietarySoftware prison) 18 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Systemd 249 release candidate includes better support for immutable OSes and provisioning images • The RegisterJun 18 12:36
schestowitzimmibis: version 2.1 of the app will also kill "omega" and "theta"Jun 18 12:45
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techrights-bot/fnToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 18 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 18 12:55
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techrights-bot/fn#Vomitoreum is a retro-styled FPS Metroidvania that releases July 30 | GamingOnLinux ⚓ ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #GamesJun 18 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Vomitoreum is a retro-styled FPS Metroidvania that releases July 30 | GamingOnLinuxJun 18 13:02
immibis? the app doesn't kill coronavirus, it just helps to find out if you may have been exposed to itJun 18 13:07
immibisless exposures, more testing after exposures = less virusJun 18 13:07
schestowitzyes, the satire was lost somewhereJun 18 13:08
techrights-bot/fnMore on #LibreOffice 7.2 Beta and New Changes 18 13:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LibreOffice 7.2 Beta1 is available for testing | Tux MachinesJun 18 13:09
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techrights-bot/fnSome people want to pass laws that force people to watch ultrasound of an embryo before abortion. But instead, how about presenting to people who order beef from the menu a photograph of the animals they kill (e.g. calf for "veal")?Jun 18 13:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Angel Cabrera: Golfer extradited to Argentina on assault charges | Golf News | Sky SportsJun 18 13:40
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MinceR:>Jun 18 13:43
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immibis<techrights-bot/fn> Some people want to pass laws that force people to watch ultrasound of an embryo before abortion. But instead, how about presenting to people who order beef from the menu a photograph of the animals they kill (e.g. calf for "veal")?Jun 18 13:44
immibisvery true. also I wish *all* they had to do was watch an ultrasound. that way it'd actually be legal in more placesJun 18 13:44
gustafjust phase out subsidies for meat productionJun 18 13:47
gustaflet the market decideJun 18 13:47
immibisthe market will burn down the amazon because it has no market valueJun 18 13:51
techrights-bot/fn#patents on rifles that kill #animals for 'sport' 18 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Partial win for Heckler & Koch in assault rifle procurement in Germany - JUVE PatentJun 18 14:22
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immibisare we denying that rust has good security ideas nowJun 18 14:30
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techrights-bot/fn#Mir 2.4, enhancing digital signage and smart screen development • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 18 14:39
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techrights-bot/fnThe EPO's Virtual Injustice and Virtual ('News') Media #epo #patents #europeJun 18 14:48
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DaemonFCThe calendar in Vista10 already includes "Juneteenth". Won't be too long before all of the public schools teach an alternate universe history about it and people forget that we got it as a federal holiday because of people looting and burning down cities over a crackhead with a rap sheet including armed robberies that was taunting the police.Jun 18 14:54
MinceRnever mind the police behaving in an unacceptable wayJun 18 14:55
DaemonFCJerry! Jerry! Jerry!Jun 18 14:56
MinceRwe gave them privileges with the expectation that they would be abused against usJun 18 14:56
MinceRthe "social contract" is a gigantic scamJun 18 14:56
immibisas with most libertarian ideas, that's really far off the mark. Police are necessary, and police should not be organized thugs, except against criminalsJun 18 14:56
MinceRhobbes' "leviathan" is just a bunch of humans wearing costumes, no better than the rest of usJun 18 14:57
MinceRimmibis: good luck finding a bunch of humans you can give a monopoly on violence and not have them turn into organized thugsJun 18 14:58
MinceRi suppose you could hope for them to be unorganized thugs, that is at least somewhat likelyJun 18 14:58
immibisMinceR: power should flow from people -> government institutions -> people againJun 18 14:58
activelowpolice requires educationJun 18 14:58
schestowitzshould be do a post about rust in Linux?Jun 18 14:58
schestowitzI'm no rust expertJun 18 14:58
schestowitzso on the technical merits it would be weakJun 18 14:58
MinceRimmibis: it should, but it never doesJun 18 14:58
immibisMinceR: most of us don't want there to be criminals, so we assign some of us to be in charge of stopping criminals to get the economy of scaleJun 18 14:58
MinceRimmibis: yeah, and it doesn't workJun 18 14:59
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immibisif they are corrupt we should unassign them. They are no longer allowed to be criminal stoppers. Other peopel can be the criminal stoppersJun 18 14:59
immibisthese things seem to work at least okay-ish in the entire developed world except the USJun 18 14:59
MinceRno, not reallyJun 18 14:59
schestowitzwith police, the worst actors get the most publicityJun 18 14:59
activelowproblem with rust isn't rust itself, it is the compiler dependency, and with it a hard vendor lock-in introducedJun 18 14:59
schestowitzand that's enough to toss the whole lot under the busJun 18 14:59
MinceRit doesn't work in hungary eitherJun 18 15:00
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schestowitzit's worse if the most aggressive ones also get promotedJun 18 15:00
immibisif the most aggressive ones get promoted the problem is systemicJun 18 15:00
MinceRit attracts the people who are the least fit to be thereJun 18 15:00
immibisultimately the people should (democratically) have the power over the police, which have power over the people individuallyJun 18 15:00
immibisIf the police say go to jail, you go to jail, but if the majority say abolish the police and let that guy out, abolish the police and let that guy outJun 18 15:01
immibis(noting also that there are checks and balances on going to jail)Jun 18 15:01
activelowif you are referring to police it is important to distuingish the which: USA? Germany? Russia?Jun 18 15:02
activeloweducation is different. and level of crime too.Jun 18 15:02
activelow*the regionJun 18 15:02
activelowin USA some police require only a course of a few weeks to become policementJun 18 15:03
immibispeople say that different regions need different social institutions, like different policing styles, but that is often not true - the reason the people are different comes down to *other* social institutions like educationJun 18 15:03
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immibisthe institutions don't need to be adapted to the people very much, we simply need the best ones everywhereJun 18 15:04
MinceRdemocracy isn't working eitherJun 18 15:05
immibisit can work. improvements are neededJun 18 15:05
MinceRunlikely with humansJun 18 15:05
immibisstart with MMP voting and educated peopleJun 18 15:06
techrights-bot/fn[Meme] When the 'Court' Drops #epo #patents #kangaroocourts #europeJun 18 15:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] When the ‘Court’ Drops | TechrightsJun 18 15:06
CrystalMathdemocracy always requires a constitutionJun 18 15:06
CrystalMathit can't work without guaranteed rights that cannot be voted outJun 18 15:06
MinceRwhat good is a constitution if the government ignores itJun 18 15:06
immibiswith all due respect I'm not sure CrystalMath knows what those words meanJun 18 15:06
CrystalMathimmibis: there's absolutely no respect in that sentenceJun 18 15:06
immibisi suppose you think the majority wants to vote out all your rights?Jun 18 15:07
MinceRimmibis: and where do you get educated people anyway\Jun 18 15:07
immibisand i suppose you are specifically worried about freedom of speech and freedom of guns?Jun 18 15:07
CrystalMathwhat though rights should be kinda depends on the cultureJun 18 15:07
CrystalMathi personally don't care about guns, i don't own anyJun 18 15:08
CrystalMathi do care about free speechJun 18 15:08
immibisif the needed rights depend on the culture, and culture changes, then shouldn't it be possible to change those rights? Say, democratically?Jun 18 15:08
DaemonFC 18 15:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Man shot during attempted Gold Coast carjacking | WGN-TVJun 18 15:08
immibisor do you think culture never changes?Jun 18 15:08
DaemonFCMinceR, An attempted reparation was ended prematurely this morning by a FOID card holder.Jun 18 15:08
CrystalMathimmibis: i do believe in being allowed to secede and make a new constitutionJun 18 15:09
CrystalMathkinda like a forkJun 18 15:09
DaemonFCmjg59 is off somewhere crying I suppose.Jun 18 15:09
immibisthat seems like a lot of workJun 18 15:09
MinceR:>Jun 18 15:09
immibiswhat's wrong with just voting for it? Jun 18 15:09
MinceRculture will definitely change by humans becoming extinctJun 18 15:09
schestowitzif any other species are leftJun 18 15:09
schestowitzrock cultureJun 18 15:10
CrystalMathimmibis: the problem is that Adolf Hitler was democratically elected; changes to culture therefore need to be slowed down by constitutionsJun 18 15:10
activelowhe wasn'tJun 18 15:10
MinceRi think some bacteria and/or archaea will survive for a couple billions of yearsJun 18 15:10
DaemonFCWe wouldn't really even need the police or courts if people could keep their hands to themselves and quit trying to take things that weren't theirs.Jun 18 15:10
schestowitzhe wasn't, indeedJun 18 15:10
schestowitzit's trickier than this, iirc he lacked a majority tooJun 18 15:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | March 1933 German federal election - WikipediaJun 18 15:10
activelowhe had a majority, it wasn't democraticJun 18 15:10
immibisCrystalMath: the problem with Hitler was not the election system, the problem was the people who voted for himJun 18 15:10
schestowitz33.09% of votesJun 18 15:11
DaemonFCIt's pretty much that simple. People think Libertarians are crazy for some reason. What's crazy is having police to deal with crime and then not letting them deal with crime because someone has an Eighth Grade graduation picture to dig up later.Jun 18 15:11
MinceRi think the problem is that there's no system that can help a bunch of stupid and evil beings run a civilized societyJun 18 15:11
immibisDaemonFC: LOL you want to ignore human nature nowJun 18 15:11
schestowitz88.74% turnoutJun 18 15:11
immibisMinceR: But there are systems where we can put the least stupid and least evil beings in chargeJun 18 15:11
MinceRi guess it's time to try them, thenJun 18 15:12
schestowitzThey should do a two-pass election, where you pit the top two after the first roundJun 18 15:12
MinceRputting the sociopaths in charge didn't work outJun 18 15:12
schestowitzto avoid lesser evilismJun 18 15:12
DaemonFCCrime obviously doesn't go away in Stand Your Ground states, but it does go down considerably when people know there's a good chance they'll get shot trying to make off with not a whole lot.Jun 18 15:12
immibisthere are other electoral systems than two-passJun 18 15:12
immibisranked choice does all the passes at onceJun 18 15:12
schestowitzeventually germany was in rubble, iirc 8 million german dead, and maybe 60 million in total dead in eurasiaJun 18 15:12
immibisDaemonFC: i'm sure thefts go down, and murders go upJun 18 15:12
schestowitzbut the voters wanted "MAGA!"Jun 18 15:13
DaemonFCWhen they know there's a low barrier to trying to take a cell phone, they'll go for it. It's amazing how hard these criminals work to get a cell phone when they have to split it three ways and they could make more working an hour or two at a McDonalds.Jun 18 15:13
DaemonFC(Personal experience.)Jun 18 15:13
activelowthe man slaughter had begun with the red terrorJun 18 15:13
immibisDaemonFC: perhaps it's not as simple as you thinkJun 18 15:13
MinceRschestowitz: A for allemand?Jun 18 15:13
immibisDaemonFC: if they could make more money working at mcdonalds, why would they steal cellphones? Are they simply stupid?Jun 18 15:13
immibisor, perhaps they can't actually make more money working at mcdonalds?Jun 18 15:14
DaemonFCPretty much.Jun 18 15:14
DaemonFCYou make almost $20 an hour working at McDonalds now.Jun 18 15:14
immibisthat's more than unemployment, right?Jun 18 15:14
DaemonFCA Galaxy S6+ was worth maybe $80-90 as a used phone when they stole mine. It took three of them pointing a gun at me to do it.Jun 18 15:15
DaemonFCWater finds its own level, I guess.Jun 18 15:15
immibisif so, then why are people complaining about unemployment being more?Jun 18 15:15
immibishave you considered that vastly fewer criminals would have guns if guns weren't so normalized and easy to get?Jun 18 15:15
DaemonFCBecause they don't want to fill out an application.Jun 18 15:15
immibisdon't you have to fill out an application to get a gun?Jun 18 15:15
DaemonFCSlinging drugs is easier and they know they have the cops on the run because "racist".Jun 18 15:15
immibismaybe if you had to fill out an application to get a gun, people who wouldn't fill out an application for mcdonalds also wouldn't have gunsJun 18 15:16
DaemonFCA job application.Jun 18 15:16
techrights-bot/fnTI AM64x 7-core processor is made for PLC’s, motor drives, industrial robots - CNX Software ⚓ ䷉ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware | more in 18 15:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | TI AM64x 7-core processor is made for PLC's, motor drives, industrial robots - CNX SoftwareJun 18 15:16
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DaemonFCIt even came up as a joke in The Boondocks as one of the easiest ways to scare out the ghost of Stinkmeaner.Jun 18 15:16
techrights-bot/fnModula-2 #Programming Language Front-End Still Looking Towards Mainline #GCC In 2021 - Phoronix ⚓ ䷉ #PhoronixJun 18 15:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Modula-2 Programming Language Front-End Still Looking Towards Mainline GCC In 2021 - PhoronixJun 18 15:16
immibiswhat is this racism stuff you're complaining about?Jun 18 15:17
DaemonFCAny unfortunate truth is racist.Jun 18 15:17
techrights-bot/fnA revival at the intersection of open source and open standards - TechCrunch ⚓ ䷉ #techcrunch | more in 18 15:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A revival at the intersection of open source and open standards – TechCrunchJun 18 15:17
immibisDaemonFC: that is complete nonsenseJun 18 15:18
DaemonFCIf the truth isn't racist, it's at least transphobic.Jun 18 15:18
immibisDaemonFC: that is complete nonsense. I suspect you are only talking about specific "truths", not all truthsJun 18 15:18
DaemonFCIt shuts down the guy with a valid argument quickly. Gets them banned and deplatformed too.Jun 18 15:18
MinceRi wonder how that worksJun 18 15:18
techrights-bot/fn"Pointless meetings are nothing new; they’re so pervasive that surviving another meeting that should have been an email reached meme status back in the 2000’s." 18 15:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Hybrid work: 7 signs that meeting should be an email | The Enterprisers ProjectJun 18 15:18 is coming apart completely.Jun 18 15:18
MinceRsomething being transphobic and outragists claiming it's transphobic are 2 different thingsJun 18 15:18
immibissomeone like DaemonFC will say "Black people are genetically inferior" (which he feels is an unfortunate truth), some "libtard" will say "that's racist", and someone like DaemonFC will conclude that all unfortunate truths are racistJun 18 15:19
MinceRalso, i'm not sure how a different election system is supposed to make people not fall for the lies of people who lie all the time for powerJun 18 15:19
DaemonFCThe only thing left there are kids trying to evade a New York public school firewall.Jun 18 15:19
techrights-bot/fn#Java EE and Jakarta EE: What IT leaders should know | The Enterprisers Project ⚓ ䷉ #enterprisersproject #ibm #programming | more in 18 15:19
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MinceRor how you can change education so that on the long term it won't favor the people who are currently in powerJun 18 15:19
DaemonFCThe retards running have chased everyone who isn't mentally ill out.Jun 18 15:19
immibisMinceR: what if there was a way to recall politicians at any time?Jun 18 15:19
DaemonFCI can only speculate as to why they want a bunch of children there.Jun 18 15:20
MinceRnot sureJun 18 15:20
immibisi see the nazis passed an aJun 18 15:20
MinceRthey most successful ones lie all the timeJun 18 15:20
immibisi see the nazis passed an emergency law to speed up the government process... such laws can be valid if there is an actual emergency which requires prompt action, but everything which is done under the law MUST be reviewed afterwardsJun 18 15:20
immibisthey are not simply excuses to murder your opponentsJun 18 15:20
MinceRand then the "emergency" will just last foreverJun 18 15:21
techrights-bot/fn#Authorino needs to #deletegithub because it is #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware in NSA PRISM and therefore it CANNOT be trusted for anything security related 18 15:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Authorino: Making open source, cloud-native API security simple and flexible | Red Hat DeveloperJun 18 15:21
MinceRnot that it matters -- ignoring the law is standard operating procedure for all governments, afaictJun 18 15:21
DaemonFCMatrix is a failure, not because of the tech, but because of the people running the primary instance.Jun 18 15:21
immibisMinceR: real emergencies do actually exist and sometimes waiting for the normal process is actually detrimentalJun 18 15:21
MinceRwhich is handy for the sociopathsJun 18 15:22
techrights-bot/fnA discussion of this morning’s post (part 10 in a series) about the shallow media/blog coverage that followed or accompanied last month’s notorious #EPO hearing • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #kangaroocourt #patents | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 18 15:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EPO’s Virtual Injustice and Virtual (‘News’) Media | TechrightsJun 18 15:22
MinceRall they need to do is wait for a real emergency to turn on the state of emergencyJun 18 15:22
MinceRand then never turn it offJun 18 15:22
techrights-bot/fnAs the #EPO sneakily outsourced courts to American companies and parties in dispute depend on their ISP for #accesstojustice there’s a catastrophic impact on the very concept of justice or the #righttobeheard • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #europe | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techr <clipped message>Jun 18 15:23
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immibisyou might notice that so many countries have put expiry dates on their coronavirus lawsJun 18 15:23
MinceRnot hungary, thoughJun 18 15:23
immibisand they have to keep actively extending them. And of course the covidiots spin it as "lol they're just dictators now"Jun 18 15:23
MinceRit was just a "keep voting for it" processJun 18 15:23
XRevan86schestowitz: It's very annoying that English Meduza still hasn't fixed the feed. Can ye cast them on Twatter?Jun 18 15:23
MinceRand then maybe not even thatJun 18 15:23
techrights-bot/fn"If you haven't read my previous blog post on #coroutines in C++, you want to do that before reading this blog post." #cpp #programmingJun 18 15:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | C++ Coroutines Two: Electric Boogaloo: co_await a QNetworkReply* – Janet's ShenanigansJun 18 15:23
immibisbut actually the continual extension thing is a way to mitigate that. As long as coronavirus keeps going they can keep extending it. But if there's no more coronavirus there will be enough people who say "no what the fuck are you doing"Jun 18 15:23
MinceRit would be, if we had democracyJun 18 15:24
immibisthey can't extend it past the end of coronavirus without being blatantly corruptJun 18 15:24
psyminisn't it already blatantly corruptJun 18 15:24
immibispsymin: not hitler levels of corruptJun 18 15:24
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MinceRbut what we actually have is a parliament dominated by the state party, no freedom of speech, no freedom of the press and no free electionsJun 18 15:24
psyminThere is corrupt and morally corrupt, and they're differentJun 18 15:24
immibiswhen you say "no freedom of speech" do you mean "criticizing the government gets you jailed" or do you mean "you can't say the N word on Twitter"?Jun 18 15:25
MinceR18 162412 < immibis> they can't extend it past the end of coronavirus without being blatantly corruptJun 18 15:25
MinceRthey can extend the pandemic anywayJun 18 15:25
MinceRand they already didJun 18 15:25
immibisMinceR: the pandemic is real, it's our own fault it's kept going for the past yearJun 18 15:25
MinceRfor example, they lied about masks so people won't wear themJun 18 15:25
DaemonFCAnyway, now that we're having federal holidays for criminals, perhaps a Ted Bundy day or a Jeffrey Dahmer day or something.Jun 18 15:25
MinceRthey tried to force fake crap vaccines on people so people would not want to get vaccinatedJun 18 15:25
psyminWHO coverup for Wuhan lab leakJun 18 15:26
DaemonFCThey too were executed by the state.Jun 18 15:26
immibisMinceR: they did no such thing, the vaccines are real vaccinesJun 18 15:26
techrights-bot/fn#Edlin is a joy to use when I want to edit text the "old school" way. #freedos #gpl #freesw #dosJun 18 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Use this nostalgic text editor on FreeDOS | Opensource.comJun 18 15:26
psyminDaemonFC, the holiday isn't for criminals is it?Jun 18 15:26
MinceRimmibis: gamaleya's and sinopharm's vaccines were never proven safe nor effective by independent institutionsJun 18 15:26
CrystalMathimmibis: i think you precisely embody the problem with democracy - "why can't we just vote on it?" and then "the people who don't think like me are the problem and must be removed"Jun 18 15:26
DaemonFC<psymin> DaemonFC, the holiday isn't for criminals is it?Jun 18 15:27
CrystalMaththat's why democracy = tyrrany of the majorityJun 18 15:27
DaemonFCWe all know full well where this really came from all of a sudden.Jun 18 15:27
psyminMajority ruling over the minority is democracyJun 18 15:27
schestowitzMinceR: a for achtung achtungJun 18 15:27
psyminI'm frustrated with the politics and social strife regarding the holiday.  Jun 18 15:27
CrystalMathi believe in creating a society that is not based on violence, through the Non-Aggression PrincipleJun 18 15:27
MinceRlolJun 18 15:27
psyminAlso I get holidays off and this wasn't done quick enough so I'm sitting here at work :PJun 18 15:27
CrystalMathi think that's the only thing that can truly do it betterJun 18 15:27
MinceRCrystalMath: how will we create the species that can live in such a society though?Jun 18 15:28
schestowitzfailing artillerist and failed artist as president of the republicJun 18 15:28
psyminI like NAPJun 18 15:28
immibisCrystalMath: that's one of the cool things about democracy. not everyone knows the truth on everything but the thing that the most people believe tends to be the truthJun 18 15:28
MinceRmaybe we'll develop an AI before we go extinctJun 18 15:28
immibisobjective truthJun 18 15:28
MinceRimmibis: wishful thinkingJun 18 15:28
psyminDemocratic Republic FTWJun 18 15:28
MinceRyou should have asked most hungarians what they thought in 2010Jun 18 15:28
immibisCrystalMath: that's cool, I believe in beating you up and stealing your TV in this society. What are you gonna do about it, if not violence? Will you write a politely worded letter to my bank and ask them to compensate you from my account?Jun 18 15:28
psyminViolence and Aggression aren't the sameJun 18 15:29
CrystalMathimmibis: the idea is to not initiate violenceJun 18 15:29
psyminNAP doesn't forbid violence IMOJun 18 15:29
MinceRimmibis: if you violate the NAP, expect violence to be applied against youJun 18 15:29
psymin"fuck around and find out" for exampleJun 18 15:29
immibis"might makes right" is natural law; human civilization is based on setting up incentive structures where the most "might" is on the side of the people who want a civilized societyJun 18 15:29
MinceR:>Jun 18 15:29
MinceRimmibis: doesn't seem to be workingJun 18 15:29
schestowitzXRevan86: no, they never reply to my emailsJun 18 15:29
CrystalMathimmibis: the NAP is an incentive structureJun 18 15:29
psyminoh crap I have email to reply toJun 18 15:30
schestowitzso I lose respect for their attitudeJun 18 15:30
immibisMinceR: then find a different incentive structure. You can never get rid of "might makes right", because it's natural law, just like the sun rising in the eastJun 18 15:30
immibisCrystalMath: no, the NAP is just an instruction without consequences for disobeyingJun 18 15:30
MinceRimmibis: seems like we can never make humans behave in a civilized wayJun 18 15:31
CrystalMathimmibis: it does have a consequence implied, since it states that coercion should not be used against people who don't initiate coercionJun 18 15:31
immibisMinceR: then let's nuke the world and wait for another intelligent species to evolve. You can startJun 18 15:31
MinceRimmibis: it's already in progressJun 18 15:31
CrystalMathimmibis: so it's like what MinceR saidJun 18 15:31
immibisCrystalMath: if you never even find out who initiates the coercion, how do you retaliate?Jun 18 15:31
DaemonFCThey did away with holiday pay at Walmart apparently.Jun 18 15:31
MinceRnot sure whether it will actually involve nukes, but we'll seeJun 18 15:31
schestowitzemail is also more formal than a 'tweet', so trying to tweet someone whom you already sent an email to seems futileJun 18 15:31
CrystalMath<@MinceR> immibis: if you violate the NAP, expect violence to be applied against youJun 18 15:31
CrystalMathimmibis: nothing is perfectJun 18 15:31
DaemonFCThey steal from your vacation hours to pay you for Thanksgiving and Christmas.Jun 18 15:31
immibisCrystalMath: you come home one day and your TV is gone. Now what?Jun 18 15:32
MinceRwe should try 'nothing' then :>Jun 18 15:32
DaemonFCLet's hope that some asshole doesn't decide that Juneteenth is a "Walmart holiday".Jun 18 15:32
techrights-bot/fn5 Best htop alternatives to monitor Linux systems • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 18 15:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 5 Best htop alternatives to monitor Linux systems | Tux MachinesJun 18 15:32
CrystalMathimmibis: same thing one would do in this society nowJun 18 15:32
immibisCrystalMath: so the libertarian society is just the current one?Jun 18 15:32
CrystalMathno, not really, because this society is too centralizedJun 18 15:32
DaemonFCIt's just another way for Walmart to make sure you never accumulate enough PTO to actually go on vacation anywhere.Jun 18 15:32
immibishow is the NAP any different from the current laws that exist that nobody wants to change?Jun 18 15:33
CrystalMathimmibis: but it would replace the existing structures with just decentralized replacementsJun 18 15:33
psyminimmibis, NAP isn't democraticJun 18 15:33
immibisalso who decides what the NAP is?Jun 18 15:33
DaemonFCWhen I was there, they gave you two weeks paid vacation per year and then blacked out the entire calendar pretty much and made everyone fight for what was left.Jun 18 15:33
CrystalMathimmibis: it's a kind of constution, like what psymin saidJun 18 15:33
CrystalMathit's maximizing focusing on an idea rather than on peopleJun 18 15:33
DaemonFCSo, each year I took two paid weeks off in January or something just so I wouldn't lose it.Jun 18 15:33
immibisconstitutions are centralizedJun 18 15:33
CrystalMathyes but thankfully the NAP is very shortJun 18 15:34
DaemonFCIf you lose the hours at the end of the year, just burn all of it and at least get to stay indoors for half a month when it's fucking freezing outside.Jun 18 15:34
CrystalMatha government that runs by this principle can be called a minarchyJun 18 15:34
CrystalMatha minimal governmentJun 18 15:34
techrights-bot/fnTime Tracker ActivityWatch v0.11 Released with UI Improvements 18 15:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Software: Surveys, ActivityWatch, Kubernetes, PingMe and More | Tux MachinesJun 18 15:34
psyminCrystalMath, similar to minix?Jun 18 15:34
CrystalMathpsymin: yes kind ofJun 18 15:34
psyminOkay, if styles of governance were operating systems .. Jun 18 15:34
DaemonFCI had to get on this UNIX terminal that looked like it was ripped straight out of a Vault-Tec installation and put X's in days in January.Jun 18 15:34
CrystalMatheverything is handled by separate user software, even the filesystem isn't handled by the kernelJun 18 15:34
immibisCrystalMath: does the NAP cover edge cases? you mentioned violence, but taking a TV from your house while you're away is not violenceJun 18 15:35
CrystalMathimmibis: it can beJun 18 15:35
DaemonFCMy boss would come around "Why the hell do you want that?". I don't.....You wouldn't let me have anything else. Remember?Jun 18 15:35
psyminimmibis, do the 10 commandments cover edge cases?Jun 18 15:35
immibisso it's fine according to the NAP? Or does it also cover ownership and contract law?Jun 18 15:35
psymindoes anything?Jun 18 15:35
CrystalMathimmibis: if it was done without permission, then it is violence - i believe posessions to be an extension of a personJun 18 15:35
immibispsymin: they do not, and therefore some people think "thou shalt not steal" means landlords are illegalJun 18 15:35
psyminimmibis, then taxes would be as wellJun 18 15:35
immibis"i believe posessions to be an extension of a person" - well they are notJun 18 15:35
immibispsymin: yes, different people think "thou shalt not steal" means taxes are illegal. And other people think neitherJun 18 15:36
schestowitzthey don't die with youJun 18 15:36
immibisprobably the only thing we can agree on is don't murder peopleJun 18 15:36
schestowitzyou do not die with them, eitherJun 18 15:36
DaemonFCPeople act like surrounding them with crap that's designed to last about 24 months before it's obsolete and/or broken is a good way to spend money and live life.Jun 18 15:36
schestowitzbut when you die, that's it for youJun 18 15:36
DaemonFCAnd like you'll take it all with you when you go.Jun 18 15:36
CrystalMathimmibis: then why does the death penalty exist?Jun 18 15:36
DaemonFC*themselvesJun 18 15:36
schestowitzDaemonFC: or accumulate money towards thisJun 18 15:37
immibisCrystalMath: they redefine the word murder so it excludes the death penalty :)Jun 18 15:37
schestowitzand then realise the only way to spend that money on something unique is something like a space tripJun 18 15:37
DaemonFCThey have Mandy singing 80s songs that were adapted for Chik-Fil-A commercials on Youtube.Jun 18 15:37
DaemonFCDemolition Man has finally happened.Jun 18 15:37
immibisCrystalMath: even if you want a constitution that says murder is bad, you have to clarify whether it includes abortion, death penalty, stand your ground, etcJun 18 15:37
immibisand someone will at some point realize your clarification is wrong, and need to update it to be more accurate to what society wantsJun 18 15:38
techrights-bot/fn#gnu #linux supported? Of course! 18 15:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gamasutra - Press Releases- YoYo Games launches Fire Jump - a new game-making Drag and Drop tutorial for GameMaker Studio 2Jun 18 15:38
immibisand the best known way to do that is some form of democracyJun 18 15:39
DaemonFCI would like to take you to Taco Bell...... "Good things grow in the valley. In the valley of the Jolly Green Giant!"Jun 18 15:39
immibismaybe you can say it takes a 75% majority to update this, but people will oppose it for dumb political reasons, so that's bad tooJun 18 15:39
DaemonFCThey changed the Europe release to Pizza Hut, but I'm sure MinceR found the Taco Bell version floating around.Jun 18 15:40
DaemonFCUnless Orban banned it.Jun 18 15:40
immibis"we'll let you put stand-your-ground as an exception, if you also put abortion as an exception"Jun 18 15:40
techrights-bot/fn#bootlin #linux training: "These courses are delivered entirely online: you don’t need any hardware to participate, as the hands-on labs are replaced by live demonstrations made by the trainer. All you need is a web browser, a good Internet connection and an audio headset!" 18 15:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Upcoming online training courses in 2021 - Bootlin's blogJun 18 15:40
MinceRDaemonFC: indeedJun 18 15:40
MinceRi saw the version with "pizza hut" and hungarian dub on tv, then downloaded and watched the real thingJun 18 15:40
MinceRbut even in the version with "pizza hut" has taco bell logos on the restaurant windows, iircJun 18 15:41
DaemonFCThat's just sloppy.Jun 18 15:41
DaemonFCDo they not have Taco Bell in Europe?Jun 18 15:41
techrights-bot/fnMany projects that needs to #deletegithub because they're entrapped in #microsoft #ProprietarySofwtare trap see 18 15:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Top 11 open-source Kanban tools for work teams in enterprisesJun 18 15:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Delete Github - TechrightsJun 18 15:41
MinceRdunnoJun 18 15:41
MinceRit shouldn't be an issue to viewers anywayJun 18 15:41
DaemonFCMaybe Pizza Hut paid more there.Jun 18 15:42
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DaemonFCFor a while, Taco Bell was trying to go upscale here, and I joked that Demolition Man had happened.Jun 18 15:43
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DaemonFCBut then they got a new CEO that gave up on all of the store redesigns and higher end food items and deleted most of the menu except for those 10 taco packs you eat by yourself because you're wasted.Jun 18 15:43
MinceRweren't they both owned by yum! brands?Jun 18 15:43
DaemonFCYeah, they were. Not sure about 1996 though.Jun 18 15:44
MinceRand/or pepsicoJun 18 15:44
DaemonFCIn the 90s, Taco Bell tasted much different. Tasted better.Jun 18 15:44
schestowitzseems like we already get some trolls on this network, drive-by trollsJun 18 15:44
DaemonFCProbably either cost cutting or the government regulations ruining things. Never can be certain.Jun 18 15:44
immibis"taco bell sucks because of government regulations" <- definitely a trollJun 18 15:45
DaemonFCWell, they banned trans fats.Jun 18 15:45
DaemonFCI'm pretty sure Taco Bell doesn't use lard in refried beans anymore.Jun 18 15:45
techrights-bot/fn#KloudNote 10.3-inch E-reader supports WiFi, Bluetooth and cellular connectivity - CNX Software ⚓ ䷉ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftwareJun 18 15:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | KloudNote 10.3-inch E-reader supports WiFi, Bluetooth and cellular connectivity - CNX SoftwareJun 18 15:45
DaemonFCAlthough the death of Wild Sauce was probably their call.Jun 18 15:46
DaemonFCThe FDA has been threatening to come in and tell them how much salt you're allowed to have now.Jun 18 15:46
MinceRmaybe they replaced taco bell in the film simply because yum! brands wanted their money's worth in advertisingJun 18 15:46
MinceR(or more)Jun 18 15:47
DaemonFCPeople can't decide for themselves if they want to press "No salt, light salt, normal salt, extra salt." on the ordering kiosk (or tell an employee) I guess.Jun 18 15:47
techrights-bot/fnPushing #clownComputing as a #security 'solution' is truly insane (it's the cause of so many issues and a privacy/data protection catastrophe), but this is what IBM emeritus IWB is doing today 18 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Irving Wladawsky-Berger: Leveraging Cloud Computing to Enhance the Nation’s CybersecurityJun 18 15:47
XRevan86schestowitz: I didn't say "emails".Jun 18 15:47
XFaCE> Pushing #clownComputingJun 18 15:48
techrights-bot/fn"The week has zipped by --it's Friday already-- and it's time to take a look at what the Apache community has been up to over the past week..." 18 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Apache News Round-up: week ending 18 June 2021 : The Apache Software Foundation BlogJun 18 15:48
XFaCEGotta have that marketing quickfix solutionJun 18 15:48
immibisDaemonFC: banned industrially produced trans fats according to google. those are unnatural anywayJun 18 15:48
schestowitzsoon we'll have elephant computingJun 18 15:48
schestowitzlike hortonworksJun 18 15:48
schestowitzand other "big data" stuffJun 18 15:48
XFaCEwhat made you think of elephant specifically?Jun 18 15:48
schestowitzcircusJun 18 15:49
XFaCEahJun 18 15:49
schestowitzit's an "IT" circusJun 18 15:49
MinceR"anything not good for you is bad; hence, illegal"Jun 18 15:49
MinceRimmibis: "The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural."Jun 18 15:50
DaemonFCIt seemed like there were still cigarettes floating around on the black market.Jun 18 15:50
schestowitzMinceR: then people deduce that illegal things are also badJun 18 15:50
immibisMinceR: sounds like trans fats are the dark side in your analogyJun 18 15:50
schestowitzeven when they're just bad for those who pass the lawsJun 18 15:50
MinceR:>Jun 18 15:50
schestowitz"it is ILLEGAL to peak evidence"Jun 18 15:51
schestowitzor crimesJun 18 15:51
schestowitz*leakJun 18 15:51
techrights-bot/fn#Podman is gaining rootless overlay support | Enable Sysadmin ⚓ ䷉ #RedHat #IBM #GNU #LinuxJun 18 15:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Podman is gaining rootless overlay support | Enable SysadminJun 18 15:56
activelowwhich distro do the techright people prefer?Jun 18 15:57
MinceRprobably depends on which personJun 18 15:58
MinceRi prefer Bedrock LinuxJun 18 15:58
MinceR(and Void Linux among the strata for it)Jun 18 15:58
XRevan86activelow: Ariadne prefers Alpine (who knew), schestowitz right now prefers DebianJun 18 15:59
XRevan86activelow: I prefer openSUSE and Debian.Jun 18 15:59
techrights-bot/fn#ibm now giving VIRTUAL badges for just 'attending' VIRTUAL 'events' 18 15:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Fedora BadgesJun 18 15:59
activelowi prefer *BSD styleJun 18 16:00
MinceRyeah, i'm in the process of moving to OpenBSDJun 18 16:00
activelowgentoo and alpine too resemble bsdJun 18 16:00
activelowgentoo it is, with some ingredients added from *BSDJun 18 16:01
XFaCE<@MinceR> yeah, i'm in the process of moving to OpenBSDJun 18 16:01
psymin<3 gentooJun 18 16:01
XFaCEdoas mincerJun 18 16:01
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DaemonFCThe FDA "user fees" were set up to reduce the federal deficit, or so they said. But now they're just a rubber stamp of approval for bad drugs and placebos that cost taxpayers many times more because Medicare and Medicaid have to buy anything that's FDA approved.Jun 18 16:01
techrights-bot/fnLearn how locks really work in Sophie's Safecracking Simulator now on Steam | GamingOnLinux ⚓ ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in 18 16:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Learn how locks really work in Sophie's Safecracking Simulator now on Steam | GamingOnLinuxJun 18 16:01
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DaemonFCThey said they were banning the trans fats because of heart attacks.Jun 18 16:02
DaemonFCI'm wondering what the real reason was. They let "food" contain just about anything else, from unlimited salt, to preservatives, and empty calories in general.Jun 18 16:02
DaemonFCThe sodium is a much bigger problem than trans fats ever were.Jun 18 16:03
DaemonFCThe average American eats 4-5 times as much sodium as the RDA and that causes most to walk around with high blood pressure all the time.Jun 18 16:03
techrights-bot/fnEarly coverage about Linux Mint 20.2 Beta 18 16:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Beta Release for Linux Mint 20.2 “Uma” (Xfce, MATE, and Cinnamon) | Tux MachinesJun 18 16:03
activelowi am having difficulties with some distros when these do not fully support source basedJun 18 16:04
DaemonFCFacebook reviewed my report of a black woman posting a picture of a black woman drinking from a mug that says "White Tears" for racism and said they didn't find anything wrong with it.Jun 18 16:05
DaemonFCI wonder how fast they'd pull it down if it was a white person drinking from a mug that said "Black Tears".Jun 18 16:05
activelowok, i'll wait with my questionJun 18 16:05
techrights-bot/fn"In this video, I'll give you a full review of the #RasPad 3 - a fun kit that turns your #RaspberryPi 4 into a tablet! Complete with a touch-screen, stereo speakers, and even its own Linux distribution - it's quite an interesting device." 18 16:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The RasPad 3 - Turn your Raspberry Pi into a Tablet! (Full Review) - YouTubeJun 18 16:06
techrights-bot/fn#Kernel : Intel, Bootlin, Christoph Hellwig’s Work, and Adreno • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #TuxMachinesJun 18 16:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kernel: Intel, Bootlin, Christoph Hellwig's Work, and Adreno | Tux MachinesJun 18 16:07
techrights-bot/fnToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 18 16:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 18 16:07
activelowanyway made me wonder from the beginning how debian or rpm type distros were considered open source and/or how a user could manage to fully bootstrap a system from source with thoseJun 18 16:07
activelowsuch as ubuntu for exampleJun 18 16:08
techrights-bot/fn#IBM / #RedHat / #Fedora Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #LinuxJun 18 16:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 18 16:08
MinceRthey probably ship almost everything with an open source licenseJun 18 16:08
MinceRand they all have some sort of build infrastructure to turn source code + some packaging information into binary packagesJun 18 16:08
activelowwith gentoo the system can be bootstrapped beginning with creating an own cross-compiler evenJun 18 16:08
MinceRsome of them also have tools to build a package on your systemJun 18 16:09
activelowMinceR: yes, but the buildinfrastructure isn't open or insufficientJun 18 16:09
MinceRdunno about that, you might want to ask them about itJun 18 16:09
techrights-bot/fnUbuntu 20.10 Reaches End of Life on July 22, Here’s How to Upgrade 18 16:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ubuntu 20.10 (Groovy Gorilla) Will Reach End Of Life on July 22nd, 2021 | Tux MachinesJun 18 16:09
techrights-bot/fnGuilty Gear: Strive - Fighting at It’s Finest - Boiling Steam ⚓ ䷉ #boilingsteam #games #gnu #linuxJun 18 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Guilty Gear: Strive - Fighting at It's Finest - Boiling SteamJun 18 16:11
immibisDaemonFC: could it possibly be because metaphorical white tears are qualitatively different from metaphorical black tears?Jun 18 16:11
immibisfrom what i've seen, white tears seem to mostly consist of people complaining about being called racist. and most of the complainers were, in fact, racistJun 18 16:12
MinceRimmibis: not sure how the difference in their chemical composition would make the second example less racistJun 18 16:12
DaemonFCPointing out crime statistics is apparently racist....Jun 18 16:13
DaemonFCYou don't see any bronze statues of white people who never accomplished anything other than a string of felonies and then taunted the police. Just saying.Jun 18 16:13
immibisMinceR: "white tears" = racists complaining about being called racist; "black tears" = people upset about being the victims of racismJun 18 16:14
immibismocking racists for complaining about being called racist, does not compare to mocking people for being denied for jobs because of their race, for exampleJun 18 16:14
DaemonFCThey whitewash the criminal record, which speaks for itself.Jun 18 16:14
DaemonFCDrug dealing and armed robbery, mostly.Jun 18 16:14
MinceRimmibis: i don't see where this implications come fromJun 18 16:15
MinceRs/is/ese/Jun 18 16:15
DaemonFCLike I said, if people kept their hands to themselves and didn't try to take things that don't belong to them, we wouldn't need courts much.Jun 18 16:15
immibisMinceR: think about the nature of metaphorical white tears and the nature of metaphorical black tears, they are not the same tears, they are drastically differentJun 18 16:15
immibisDaemonFC: anything not forbidden is allowedJun 18 16:16
MinceRthat sounds a lot like SJW "reverse racism" bullshitJun 18 16:16
schestowitznot reallyJun 18 16:16
schestowitzit's the reply to themJun 18 16:16
immibisMinceR: reverse racism is actually something anti-SJWs inventedJun 18 16:16
schestowitzwhen you claim that they're being reverse racistsJun 18 16:17
MinceRthey call it thatJun 18 16:17
MinceRthere's nothing reverse about itJun 18 16:17
MinceRhence the quotesJun 18 16:17
schestowitzfor example, oversight, looking the other way if a minority says "FUCK all those OLD WHITE MAN!Jun 18 16:17
DaemonFC 18 16:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | What we know about fake currency and George Floyd's deathJun 18 16:17
immibisMinceR: can we agree that "white tears" are mostly white people complaining about being called racist?Jun 18 16:17
schestowitzbut anyway, it's off topicJun 18 16:17
immibis("tears" = complaints)Jun 18 16:17
Ariadnei mean, yes, other people besides white people can be racistJun 18 16:17
DaemonFC"To Hill, the church member and resident, using fake bills is not right. But he understands why people with low incomes would use a counterfeit, especially during the COVID-19 outbreak when many have lost jobs and income. "Jun 18 16:17
MinceRimmibis: noJun 18 16:17
schestowitzI think it's DaemonFC's faultJun 18 16:18
DaemonFCFor cigaretted, you know. Essentials.Jun 18 16:18
DaemonFC*cigarettesJun 18 16:18
MinceRimmibis: afaik tears are produced by humans of all races for the same reasonsJun 18 16:18
immibisMinceR: you do not understand metaphorJun 18 16:18
schestowitzMinceR: not just humansJun 18 16:18
DaemonFCYou know, US Dollars did used to say "To counterfeit means death.".Jun 18 16:18
DaemonFCHow ironic.Jun 18 16:18
schestowitzDaemonFC: people who stole a countryJun 18 16:19
schestowitzand killed its inhibitantsJun 18 16:19
schestowitzI can see the logic in thatJun 18 16:19
activelowoften it isn't racism, instead eugenicist and chauvinistJun 18 16:19
DaemonFCThe same penalty applied under British law at the time....Jun 18 16:19
schestowitzbottom line, people are good at not getting alone with other peopleJun 18 16:19
DaemonFCSo there's that.Jun 18 16:19
techrights-bot/fn#Security Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 18 16:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 18 16:20
immibispeople can try to get along with other people, or they can continue insisting that black people are the real racistsJun 18 16:20
activelowthe difference between "racism" and the latter or crucial to understanding of the problemJun 18 16:21
immibisthey can listen to what the black people are saying, or they can notJun 18 16:21
DaemonFCCounterfeiting was a serious problem back then. The more serious problem has usually been the government expanding the money supply to finance egregious spending levels.Jun 18 16:21
MinceR"Good thing I have kevlar. ...Wait, do I have kevlar?"Jun 18 16:21
DaemonFCThat has the same effect as counterfeiting does in the economy.Jun 18 16:21
MinceRimmibis: you mean it's impossible for more than one group of people to be racist? or it's impossible for them to be _real_ racist, whatever that means?Jun 18 16:21
DaemonFCMaybe they will start killing politicians for it. You hope.Jun 18 16:21
activelowsince chauvism (although defined differently on wikipedia to frame it into the ideology anglo-american "academia") isn't exclusiveJun 18 16:22
activelowit simply translates any sense of superiorityJun 18 16:22
activelowit simply translates to any sense of superiorityJun 18 16:22
immibisMinceR: there are people who think black people are victims of racism, and there are people who think black poeple are the racists, and as far as I'm aware, there is no overlapJun 18 16:22
DaemonFCThe government never wants to cover its spending with taxes, because it would expose the fact that very high taxes would be required and it would still have to stop spending increases at some point.Jun 18 16:22
techrights-bot/fnDebian GNU / Linux: Cinnamon Desktop Future (For Now) Preserved 18 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | KDE: Akademy, Bug Triaging, Packaging Work by Norbert Preining, and Krita on Simplifying Grammar Checks for Manual | Tux MachinesJun 18 16:22
DaemonFCInstead, we have a blended system of taxes and inflation.Jun 18 16:23
activelowa term i introduced is "moral chauvinism", of those he take high moral ground, similar to "Übermensch", regardless of some shallow attributesJun 18 16:23
immibisDaemonFC: that is another thing the left and the right can agree uponJun 18 16:23
activelowwith their sense of "moral superiority" anything is justifiedJun 18 16:23
MinceRimmibis: so by virtue of some people being racists, they've monopolized racism and now it's impossible for people of other races to be racist?Jun 18 16:23
immibisalthough, instead of thinking of the government borrowing as something the government does, you should think of investors lending as a kind of voluntary-tax-with-stringsJun 18 16:23
MinceRthat's an awfully convenient delusionJun 18 16:23
immibisMinceR: ????Jun 18 16:23
techrights-bot/fn"We take a look at a #selfhosted TeamViewer alternative, give you our take on some Home Assistant drama and discuss the effects of a new crypto coin on hard drive prices." 18 16:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Whose License Is It Anyway? | Self-Hosted 47 | Jupiter BroadcastingJun 18 16:24
DaemonFCI bought some government bonds in Mandy's name.Jun 18 16:24
MinceRimmibis: you're claiming black people can't be racist and anyone who disagrees is racistJun 18 16:24
immibisDaemonFC: don't bother, keep your money in a savings account or term depositJun 18 16:24
activelowchauvinistJun 18 16:24
DaemonFCThey're technically 30 year bonds, but you can cash them out as soon as 12 months if you need to. 5 years with no penalty.Jun 18 16:24
immibisthe bank will buy bonds but they'll also use your money for things like mortgagesJun 18 16:24
immibiswhich have higher return and are still considered safeJun 18 16:24
DaemonFCThey don't pay good interest.Jun 18 16:25
immibisMinceR: no, I did not say black people couldn't be racist.Jun 18 16:25
MinceRi'm guessing immibis believes this to also be non-racist: "Lightfoot, who assumed office in May 2019, announced last Tuesday that she would only grant one-on-one interviews to 'black and brown' reporters to mark her two-year anniversary in office."Jun 18 16:25
DaemonFCYou can get 3.54 right now on I-Bonds. Most 5 year CDs don't even pay 1.5.Jun 18 16:25
MinceRimmibis: ah, so you're only equivocating around the issue in an effort to paint faecesbook in a positive lightJun 18 16:25
psyminI'm gonna get 0.07 on Bonds, James Bonds.Jun 18 16:25
MinceRDaemonFC: i think you should post that other picture and see what dumbFuckBook does about it :>Jun 18 16:26
immibisMinceR: I'm speaking in general terms. When I say "black tears" that does not refer to each and every single instance of black tears, it refers to the average, the predominant kind. Just like if you said "water is colourless" you wouldn't be referring to polluted water or ice.Jun 18 16:26
immibissome white tears are valid and some black tears are notJun 18 16:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 7 Free And Open Source Download Managers For Windows And Linux | Tux MachinesJun 18 16:27
psyminAny reference to biological identity group followed by "tears" is likely some type of negative bias, aka "racism"Jun 18 16:27
immibisthe kind of argument that leads to people having "white tears" or "black tears" mugs is not nuanced, it is only about large-scale trends. Jun 18 16:27
activelow"morally superior tears"Jun 18 16:27
immibisis it racism to say that white tears are mostly just people salty about being called out for being racist?Jun 18 16:27
psyminimmibis, yesJun 18 16:27
MinceRimmibis: maybe you should clarify that every time you refer to tears of any colorJun 18 16:27
MinceRimmibis: i'm not quite sure how that will affect pictures made and posted by others, thoughJun 18 16:28
immibispsymin: even though it's clear that "white tears" does not include, for example, the tears of the person whose child got hit by a car?Jun 18 16:28
psyminAny reference to biological identity group followed by "tears" is likely some type of negative bias, aka "racism"Jun 18 16:28
immibisit is a very simplified war. white people against black people and vice versa. In this race war, each side does specific stuff...Jun 18 16:28
MinceRclaiming that white people are 'salty' because they're called racist is racist because it implies that all white people are racistJun 18 16:29
techrights-bot/fn#GNU #Guix : Substitutes now also available from 18 16:29
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immibisMinceR: what if I specify it further: that the complaints *regarding the race war* which come from white people are *primarily* from racists who are salty about being called out?Jun 18 16:30
MinceRimmibis: how do you find such specifics in the aforementioned pictures?Jun 18 16:30
psyminimmibis, Do you have a goal of coming to a mutual understanding about what is true?Jun 18 16:30
immibisMinceR: because I know the societal context of these kinds of mugs?Jun 18 16:31
MinceRno, you're just making up shit to try to make being racist against white people acceptableJun 18 16:31
psyminThere is an objective reality that most of us should be able to agree exists.Jun 18 16:31
immibisdo you believe the person who posted the picture was referring to all tears from all white people all the time?Jun 18 16:32
psyminIf that is our goal, to determine what is true anyway.Jun 18 16:32
activelowrecently Euro soccer broadcasted was framed into the racism narrative tooJun 18 16:32
MinceRimmibis: i doubt that would have fit in any mugJun 18 16:32
activelowyesterday even privileged soccer players were interviewed for their feelings, with millions of cash on their accounts suffering from racismJun 18 16:33
activelow*eveningJun 18 16:33
activelowin the commercials ordinary german people are replaced with people of colorJun 18 16:33
immibisactivelow: you mean it's impossible for people with money and fame to also have problems in their lives?Jun 18 16:34
psyminIs there an objective way to determine what is and what is not the result of racism?Jun 18 16:34
psymin(or any sort of alleged bias / bigotry)Jun 18 16:34
activelowimmibis: i wouldn't feel less offended by being called a monkey in a soccer stadium and a banana thrown after me than having a look onto my balance sheetsJun 18 16:34
immibiswhat do you mean by an objective *way*? of course we can agree that racism objectively *exists*, but it's not like racists wear big "i'm being racist" signs that light up whenever they are being racist, so identifying exactly what is racism can be difficultJun 18 16:34
immibisactivelow: can you rephrase that sentence?Jun 18 16:35
activelowimmibis: i would feel less offended by being called a monkey in a soccer stadium and a banana thrown after me than having a look onto my balance sheetsJun 18 16:35
immibisthat's the opposite sentenceJun 18 16:35
activelowyes, typoJun 18 16:36
psyminimmibis, I'm not making a claim that it doesn't exist.  I'm making a query about how to determine whether it presented itself in situations at all.  How can we measure it in an objective manner?Jun 18 16:36
immibispsymin: i think alas we cannot because no racism-ometer has ever been inventedJun 18 16:37
psyminif we cannot measure it objectively, then I think it is very dangerous to litigateJun 18 16:37
*schestowitz will be back when the channel is on topicJun 18 16:37
psyminapologiesJun 18 16:37
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immibispsymin: we can't even measure things like murder objectivelyJun 18 16:39
immibiswe still somehow manage itJun 18 16:39
psyminimmibis, is there another channel for us to have this type of discussion?Jun 18 16:39
MinceRthere's #boycottnovell-social Jun 18 16:40
DaemonFCI just hope I win the COVID vaccine lottery so I can use the $100,000 to high tail it out of this fucking place.Jun 18 16:40
DaemonFCI'm sure I can buy a place to live in Arkansas or something. Jun 18 16:40
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DaemonFCThat reminds me.... schestowitz Did you see where the CEO of Bank of America threatened workers who don't come back to New York City with being fired or huge salary cuts if they aren't back at the office by September?Jun 18 16:41
DaemonFCYou have to threaten people to get them to move back to New York.Jun 18 16:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GSoC’21 Week 1: The Beginning – Mariam FahmyJun 18 16:42
DaemonFCIf all they'll do is cut your salary, why would you come back to New York? It's not like the higher salary even buys you anything in New York because the liberals just send the cost of living through the fucking roof anyway.Jun 18 16:42
DaemonFCSo all it does is increase your federal tax bracket with the COLA.Jun 18 16:42
immibis"liberals are the reason everything sucks"Jun 18 16:43
techrights-bot/fnMany people still don't understand that Gulag Summer of work is being used by #google for #censorship of mailing lists and self-censorship. #gsocJun 18 16:43
MinceRhumans are the reason everything sucksJun 18 16:43
immibisif you're a nihilist, yes, otherwise you think humans have the power to make things not suckJun 18 16:43
DaemonFCI'd much rather live in Denver than New York City, even if it meant taking a 20% drop in salary.Jun 18 16:43
MinceRnihilism has nothing to do with itJun 18 16:43
MinceRthe term you're looking for is "misanthrope"Jun 18 16:44
DaemonFCBecause Democrats have made New York so expensive the 20% isn't worth it.Jun 18 16:44
DaemonFCThe entire population of New York that can get out is leaving, which means Democrats will just do what they always do.Jun 18 16:44
immibisDaemonFC: if everything bad is the other side's fault, you should think about whether that's actually true or whether you've fallen victim to brainwashing propagandaJun 18 16:44
DaemonFCRaise taxes to soak whoever stays, which causes more to leave, etc.Jun 18 16:44
immibisif everyone is leaving then how can it still be expensive? Leaving people causes rent to plummetJun 18 16:45
DaemonFCWrong.Jun 18 16:45
techrights-bot/fn#GravityMark OpenGL/Vulkan Performance For NVIDIA RTX 30 vs. AMD Radeon RX 6000 Series • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 18 16:45
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DaemonFCWaukegan has lost over 11% of its population and the rent is still going up, overall.Jun 18 16:45
immibishmm so free markets don't work?Jun 18 16:45
DaemonFCWell, it's not all about supply and demand, obviously.Jun 18 16:46
schestowitzDaemonFC: it's off topic for hereJun 18 16:46
schestowitzBoAJun 18 16:46
DaemonFCIt would be worse if there were still a bunch of people here bidding things up, but the tax increases alone can keep costs going up even with less demand.Jun 18 16:46
DaemonFCThe landlords aren't going to run their business at a loss.Jun 18 16:46
immibisDaemonFC: you were just instructed to stop talkingJun 18 16:47
*schestowitz has changed the topic to: philosophy and racismJun 18 16:47
Ariadneer, wutJun 18 16:48
MinceRlolJun 18 16:48
DaemonFCThey like to conflate things so that the cost isn't taken on by the people who use them. They even added a surcharge for an expressway to the water bills so they wouldn't have to increase tolling.Jun 18 16:48
immibisnow that's on-topic... DaemonFC: they would run it at a loss if the alternative was running it at a bigger loss. Or they could sell. At a loss. Either way the price goes down. So why doesn't that happen?Jun 18 16:49
psyminlolJun 18 16:50
DaemonFCWell, the operating expenses are a cost that's not actually negotiable. The anti-slumlord laws alone would kick in if they started skimping on upkeep too much.Jun 18 16:50
activelowchimpanzees are known to outsmart humans with specific skills, nonetheless the supposedly "scientific" basis of such discussions is framed into a social context where specific criteria supposedly indicated inferiorityJun 18 16:50
activelowthis isn't racism, this is chauvismJun 18 16:50
techrights-bot/fnDoes #ibm think that giving more fictional badges (like those training 'courses' it forces staff to take) will improve morale and save things? Like #freenode we've seen IBM engage in self-harm, e.g. killing off #centos 18 16:51
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immibisDaemonFC: sounds like they can either pay those costs (and operate at a loss), or sell, like I just saidJun 18 16:51
*schestowitz has changed the topic to: IRC discussions @ localhost | Channel #techrights for [logged online] :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell for related discussions. For scrollback see 18 16:51
DaemonFCSelling assumes you have a buyer. The Democrats have chased so many people out of Illinois that there's several times as many homes on the market as usual in many areas. Tech should make it easier to leave.Jun 18 16:52
DaemonFCThe bank CEO threatening people who don't actually have to be in an office is just kind of funny, really, in how pathetic it is.Jun 18 16:52
DaemonFCThat this is the only reason you'd live in NYC and tolerate the crime and taxes. You'd lose a job that doesn't actually require you to be in an office.Jun 18 16:52
techrights-bot/fn"In same cases bare deparsed #JSON is returned. That led to a fair amount of clutter that followed a pattern. After making a remote call via the API, I mix in a role and query the API further, before passing a list on via a Supply. I do the same operation with different operants. That’s sounds like a candidate for a multi sub." 18 16:53
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DaemonFCThat's been how California is getting along for quite a while now.Jun 18 16:53
DaemonFCWithout cajoling the CEOs into threatening people who don't have to be there into coming back, they're toast.Jun 18 16:54
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activelowwith the typical discussions what's implied isn't racism, it is "moral superiority" by those pushing the narrative for ideological reasonsJun 18 16:58
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activelow"black tears" are morally superior in this context, not black as suchJun 18 16:58
activelowsupposedlyJun 18 16:59
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schestowitzcolours miss the pointJun 18 16:59
schestowitzit's like comparing distros based on wallpapersJun 18 16:59
schestowitzor default gtk themeJun 18 16:59
DaemonFCI'm amused by the fact that these banks who are publicly stating that they won't make investments in coal or oil companies are forcing people to commute and waste gas and spew CO2 everywhere so they can sit at a desk all day.Jun 18 17:00
schestowitzthe issue in the US/Canada and Europe is classJun 18 17:01
schestowitzyou can be "white" and in the "underclass"Jun 18 17:02
schestowitzthe colour is a disractionJun 18 17:02
schestowitzsport, media use thatJun 18 17:02
schestowitzyou could also be African and albinoJun 18 17:02
schestowitzthough it makes eyesight really bad and sunlight dangerousJun 18 17:02
schestowitzlet's focus on freedomJun 18 17:02
schestowitznot whose skin has more melaninJun 18 17:02
DaemonFCWe saw the result of "work from home". Demand for oil dropped to the point where gas was like $1.50.Jun 18 17:03
activelowcultural differences and ethnicity aren't void by excluding melanin enrichmentJun 18 17:03
DaemonFCIt was just ridiculous the amount of propaganda that was coming out in the media though. Stories of people making "fake commutes" to "feel normal".Jun 18 17:03
MinceR18 175855 < activelow> "black tears" are morally superior in this context, not black as suchJun 18 17:03
*MinceR rushes to order a bottle of black tearsJun 18 17:03
MinceRgot to have the best stuffJun 18 17:04
DaemonFC"Oh here, I'll get in my car and rack up miles on it to feel normal again!"Jun 18 17:04
immibisthe association between colour and class is that past actions have tried to push people with a certain colour into a certain class, while leaving other colours aloneJun 18 17:04
DaemonFC"I can drive in circles for two hours!"Jun 18 17:04
immibisDaemonFC: there is always a buyer for a rented home. At a minimum, you can sell it to the tenants for $1Jun 18 17:05
MinceRhold your colours against the wallJun 18 17:05
activelowanother problem with this disucssion is the following, it is an anglo-american doctrine to frame it into melanin, which wouldn't at least recognize the several different languages spoken elsewhereJun 18 17:05
gustafone of the critiques of the "modern Left" is that it's substituted identity for classJun 18 17:05
gustafbut I really don't agree with that Jun 18 17:05
activelowthe "multi-cultural" "idealism" of anglo-american academic "intelligence" couldn't at least comprehend anymore dozens of different languages are spoken in EuropeJun 18 17:05
immibismost "leftists" would happily start talking about class instead of race if you didJun 18 17:06
schestowitzgustaf: you are from sweden, right?Jun 18 17:06
schestowitzI want to show you something about the "modern" leftJun 18 17:06
DaemonFC 18 17:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Rockton, IL evacuation order lifted; foam containing 'forever chemical' used against Chemtool fire - ABC7 ChicagoJun 18 17:07
DaemonFCThank goodness for the government.Jun 18 17:07
schestowitz 18 17:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EPO’s War on Justice and Assault on the Law — Part 8: The Radical Student “Brotherhood” | TechrightsJun 18 17:07
DaemonFC"You know what would be great with this disaster? Another disaster."Jun 18 17:07
schestowitzalso and 18 17:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EPO’s War on Justice and Assault on the Law — Part 7: Calle’s Strange Metamorphosis | TechrightsJun 18 17:07
gustafschestowitz: correcy Jun 18 17:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EPO’s War on Justice and Assault on the Law — Part 9: Squeezing Out the Lifeblood of Democracy? | TechrightsJun 18 17:07
techrights-bot/fn#mozilla and #firefox blogs have become so bloody weird. sometimes they even cover tech. Sometimes.Jun 18 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gary Linden, legendary surfer & Firefox fanJun 18 17:09
techrights-bot/fn14 Awesome #Arduino Clown Features You Never Knew Existed 18 17:11
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activelowsome month ago i chose to watch women's soccer, for the only reason i was interested to see their matchJun 18 17:14
activelowafter 5 minutes i turned off TV when the lecture began about "oppressive hierarchies" and unjusticeJun 18 17:14
activelowthe current male soccer national team of germany integrated several "dark eagles", i'll probably turn off for the same reasonJun 18 17:15
immibisactivelow: was it objectively uninteresting, or was it just an inconvenient truth to you?Jun 18 17:17
activelowimmibis: i wanted to watch a soccer matchJun 18 17:17
immibisinaction and wilful ignorance can be just as bad as explicit actionJun 18 17:18
activelowsure, i turned offJun 18 17:18
XRevan86oh my, today is full of surprisesJun 18 17:21
XRevan8626700 – what a pretty numberJun 18 17:22
XRevan86I mislooked, no real surprise, the coefficient is still ~1.5Jun 18 17:23
immibismaybe watching a soccer match is wilful ignorance. someone brought up the nazis earlier. What might've happened, if half the german population had protested in front of parliament, instead of watching soccer until it was too bad to ignroeJun 18 17:23
activelowprotests? when? in 1920s/30s germans did protest with millions on the street. Unemployment.Jun 18 17:27
activelowwhich is remarkable too what anglo-americans protest for nowadays when they are on the streetsJun 18 17:27
DaemonFCI would never buy a home in Illinois. The banks, which carefully monitor these things because they're not in business to lose money, say the state's fiscal outlook is pretty much hopeless.Jun 18 17:28
immibisactivelow: are you suggesting people should not protest about things which are less serious than what they protested about in germany after the war?Jun 18 17:28
MinceRat least they're not hungarians, whose main concern is taxing Internet accessJun 18 17:29
immibisDaemonFC: didn't you want to live with less of a state? which is what you will get if the state government goes bankrupt?Jun 18 17:29
DaemonFCWell, maybe they'll figure out a way to tax the people who are actually celebrating Juneteenth.Jun 18 17:30
DaemonFCFor now, all they managed to do is get them to be a smaller net loss by figuring out ways to not hold them pending all of their trials.Jun 18 17:30
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activelowimmibis: first I strongly object to german history being framed into anglo-american pseudo-science. and given the high unemployment in USA today it is remarkable what they are protesting for there.Jun 18 17:31
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immibisDaemonFC_phone: is it illegal to celebrate public holidays now?Jun 18 17:34
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DaemonFC_phoneMaybe they'll celebrate by helping themselves to some more property that isn't theirs. Who knows?Jun 18 17:37
schestowitzsort of like colonistsJun 18 17:38
schestowitzor aryans?Jun 18 17:38
schestowitzDaemonFC_phone: try to keep on topicJun 18 17:38
DaemonFC_phoneWell, your country certainly did a lot of that.Jun 18 17:38
DaemonFC_phoneHow'd that work out?Jun 18 17:38
DaemonFC_phoneMore ambitious than the Nazis at various points.Jun 18 17:39
DaemonFC_phoneThe Canadians apparently have an entire high school sitting on top of dead indigenous people that they slaughtered. Was in the news the other day.Jun 18 17:40
DaemonFC_phoneThere's an endless history of people wanting things and then taking them by force. It's considered savagery at this point, at least for white people when we're talking about something that happened 200 years ago.Jun 18 17:43
immibisand yet you claim that if only we'd all just sign this pact, it wouldn't happen any moreJun 18 17:43
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DaemonFC_phoneUnenforced laws are as good as no law. Why do they loot? If anyone goes on trial it'll be the police that tried to deal with it.Jun 18 17:44
DaemonFC_phoneChicago was dangerous in the 80s because the cops couldn't keep up with the crime. It's dangerous now because there are few cops and mjg59's worldview has prevented them from even trying anyway.Jun 18 17:46
DaemonFC_phoneBest thing to do is just stay out. It's a tourist trap for some reason even though something bad usually happens even if you just go sightseeing for a day.Jun 18 17:47
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immibismaybe the right solution is to solve the causes of crime instead of throwing more resources at trying to prosecute it allJun 18 17:48
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MinceRwe're doing that, with global warmingJun 18 17:49
immibiswhy are humans so stupid?Jun 18 17:49
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Jun 18 17:49
psyminI'm so stupid because of emotionsJun 18 17:50
immibiswhat do they put in New Zealand's water to help them come together to fight COVID? do the sheep hormones rub off and make everyone sheeple? is it the fluoride?Jun 18 17:50
MinceRdo they fluoridate the water over there?Jun 18 17:50
immibisof courseJun 18 17:50
MinceRpoor peopleJun 18 17:50
MinceRthey do that in the usa too, afaikJun 18 17:50
immibishmm. are you sure you're not one of the humans who is so stupid?Jun 18 17:51
MinceRi'm probably stupid in a different wayJun 18 17:51
MinceRwho cares, i, too, will be deadJun 18 17:51
immibis"fluoride bad" seems to be a mainstream kind of stupid imoJun 18 17:51
MinceRi mean fluoride isn't "bad", but it seems much smarter to put it in toothpasteJun 18 17:51
MinceRthat way you apply it where it is needed and don't swallow much of itJun 18 17:52
immibismaybe the idea is to help people who don't brush their teeth enoughJun 18 17:52
DaemonFC_phoneMaybe they should brush more.Jun 18 17:52
MinceR"can anyone help you?"Jun 18 17:52
MinceRthey could try electric toothbrushesJun 18 17:53
immibisfor the sake of argument let's assume that fluoride does turn humans into sheeple... well, being sheeple helped them beat covid. is it necessarily a bad thing?Jun 18 17:54
MinceRi don't think NZ-ers did well against the plague because they were "sheeple"Jun 18 17:54
immibisthey absolutely did, that's the only way they were able to stop local outbreaksJun 18 17:56
immibisone of the harshest lockdownsJun 18 17:56
psyminbeing on an island is a pretty harsh and effective lockdownJun 18 17:56
MinceRis it possible to have an effective lockdown among people who can think for themselves?Jun 18 17:56
psyminPrisoners are on effective lockdown and often have a diverse set of thoughts.Jun 18 17:57
immibisMinceR: if they can think for themselves they should mostly come to the same conclusion, that it's best to stop covid immediately and then live like normal againJun 18 18:01
MinceRimmibis: rightJun 18 18:01
immibisif they can't think for themselves, they should just keep living like normal until 1% of them get sick and dieJun 18 18:02
activelowif the research result of curevac germany is confirmed this will have severe legal implicationsJun 18 18:08
activelowsuch as vaccines which didn't meet criteria for approval had been lobbied for and advertisedJun 18 18:09
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schestowitzthree times today, same usernameJun 18 18:16
MinceRright, might as well try k-lining the nickJun 18 18:16
XRevan86What is even that picture?Jun 18 18:16
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Jun 18 18:16
schestowitzdoneJun 18 18:16
schestowitzXRevan86: doesn't even matterJun 18 18:17
schestowitzthat got spammer in all our channelsJun 18 18:17
schestowitz*spammedJun 18 18:17
schestowitzit's even worse than the chats about raceJun 18 18:17
schestowitzthose types of spammers were rare in freenode (they would weed them out mostly, until years ago when they defamed staff), but in dalnet days it was common... 1990sJun 18 18:18
schestowitzI guess being noticed like that is a 'compliment', if not a nuisanceJun 18 18:18
schestowitzI noticed that almost 100% of the chat here is from this network, rarely from FNJun 18 18:18
immibisactivelow: doesn't that just mean their particular vaccine didn't work terribly well? covid cases are dropping like a stone despite most things being open, so the evidence is right thereJun 18 18:18
schestowitzwhich still has 54 users online for this channelJun 18 18:18
immibisthat the covid vaccines in general do workJun 18 18:19
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schestowitz10.5k new cases, 11k+ yesterday, so this particular one (AZ) might not be all that effective, or maybe they will blame "mutant' or "variant" or reckless peopleJun 18 18:20
DaemonFC_phoneFew wear masks in Waukegan now. No spike.Jun 18 18:21
DaemonFC_phoneOf course, it's pretty ghetto here and Waukegan got bad early on, way ahead of the vaccine.Jun 18 18:22
DaemonFC_phoneHerd immunity at this point.Jun 18 18:22
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immibis (tab "zeitlicher verlauf") - maybe that will start going up again like the UK, although people here are getting a mix of vaccinesJun 18 18:31
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activelowimmibis: a vaccine developed by leading german researcher was confirmed not meeting the criteria for approvalJun 18 18:36
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activelowwhich raises the question how competitors could have arrived at an approval with their "research", and why media apparatus aggitated for injecting thisJun 18 18:37
activelow 18 18:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Coronavirus: Germany′s CureVac vaccine only 47% effective | News | DW | 16.06.2021Jun 18 18:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CureVac′s COVID vaccine efficacy a blow to Tesla-backed firm′s mRNA ambitions | Business| Economy and finance news from a German perspective | DW | 17.06.2021Jun 18 18:39
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immibisactivelow: luck?Jun 18 19:02
activelowcriminal fraud and scamJun 18 19:05
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immibisactivelow: what is your basis for assuming that?Jun 18 19:16
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activelowit was an assumption when the pharma suppliers began marketing with nonsense data, implying a trivial percentage value showed efficacy.Jun 18 19:21
activelowwhich is similar to asking for the time and anyone answered my thermometer showed 23°C at night, that was nonsense already when the propaganda campaign for the vaccines beganJun 18 19:22
activelowand now finally a leading german research institution which was rarely mentioned before honestly confirmered their vaccine wasn't ready for approvalJun 18 19:23
activelowwhile the competitors already milked the cash cow at stock exchanges and tax payers moneyJun 18 19:24
activelow*confirmedJun 18 19:33
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immibisso it is criminal fraud and scam because you started from the assumption that it's criminal fraud and scam... basically...Jun 18 19:46
activelowpardon?Jun 18 19:47
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activelowit isn't me who presented bullshit data of those who claim their vaccines were approved, and it is leading german research which recently presented theirs contradicting preceeding findings of the competitionJun 18 19:53
activeloweither german leading researchers are lying which had nothing to gain from announcing their research results, or it is those lying who already extorted billions of cash at stock exchanges and from tax payersJun 18 19:54
activelow*whoJun 18 19:54
activelowin any case agitating for potentially harmfull vaccines which do not meet criteria for approval is a capital crime, particularly since when news and media began discussing minors should be injected with experimental vaccinesJun 18 19:55
MinceR(no audio) 18 20:03
immibisweren't they testing a different vaccine?Jun 18 20:27
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activelowdifferent types of vaccines were tested for the *same* virus, and german leading research presented results finally which contradicts the scammers' ones.Jun 18 20:33
immibiseverything i'm seeing says the curevac trial was only for curevacJun 18 20:36
immibisincluding the trial protocol documentJun 18 20:37
activelowyes, and the competitor scammers' results now can be verified against the findings of curavec!Jun 18 20:38
activelowsince curevac presented results an approval was NOT possible i am curious how those scammers could have arrived at different conclusions to extort billions of cash ast stock exchange and from tax payers.Jun 18 20:39
activelowand i would be curious too how EU could approve the research results of criminal scammers.Jun 18 20:40
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activeloweven worse, vaccines which were advertised with potentially fraudulent data had already been injected.Jun 18 20:43
activelowand news and media agitators had supported this with their propaganda lies.Jun 18 20:44
immibisactivelow: but... curevax is a *different vax*Jun 18 20:46
immibisthis is like saying, because chrome uses 600GB of RAM, it disproves microsoft's result that edge doesn'tJun 18 20:46
activelowit is the the mRNA type similar to moderna and biontec, and the leading researcher in this field is curevac (Tübingen University), while moderna and biontec are "startups"Jun 18 20:47
immibisactivelow: edge and chrome are both the web browser typeJun 18 20:48
immibisor specifically, the type that displays HTML and executes javascriptJun 18 20:48
activelowand both are crapJun 18 20:48
immibisbut the test result for one does not apply to the otherJun 18 20:49
activelowbiontec startup founders even received order of merit from german president, as a reward for their "research" and valuable service for the society as "immigrants"Jun 18 20:52
activelowand now curevac presents their results: insufficient for approval.Jun 18 20:56
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MinceRmRNA vaccines are not identical to each otherJun 18 21:01
MinceRafaiu to trigger an immune response they include an adjuvant which depends on which vaccine it isJun 18 21:02
MinceRthe dosage can also varyJun 18 21:02
Ariadne20:00 [Freenode] -!- ERROR Closing link: (~kaniini@2602:fd37:1:0:6697:bad:bad:bad) [G-lined: [tau] You're not welcome here. (ID: O9JY53PX9X)]Jun 18 21:02
Ariadnei seeJun 18 21:02
AriadneCrystalMath: what is this big FOSS crap aboutJun 18 21:02
Ariadnewhy does andrew have a beef with debianJun 18 21:02
MinceRand presumably the process by which the lipid bilayer bits containing the mRNA can also varyJun 18 21:03
activelowthe research results of those who fraudulently scammed 95% success must be verified against curevac research findings.Jun 18 21:04
CrystalMathAriadne: what it refers to is the political influence and control some people have in the FOSS world, that they're using to push other left-wing agendas insteadJun 18 21:04
CrystalMathAriadne: i think...Jun 18 21:04
CrystalMaththat's my understandingJun 18 21:04
Ariadnedebian literally votes on all statements it publishesJun 18 21:04
Ariadnewhy was i g-lined from new freenode?Jun 18 21:05
CrystalMathright but didn't they take away some of their member's voting rights?Jun 18 21:05
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Ariadneno?Jun 18 21:05
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CrystalMathAriadne: they removed pocockJun 18 21:05
AriadneyesJun 18 21:05
CrystalMathsee?Jun 18 21:05
Ariadnebecause pocock was going around doxing peopleJun 18 21:05
Ariadnewhich he continues to doJun 18 21:05
Ariadneat debian.communityJun 18 21:05
Ariadnebeing part of a project is a social contractJun 18 21:06
Ariadneif you violate that contract, it is not surprising that you are removed from participationJun 18 21:06
CrystalMathi've heard other stories of right-wing people being excluded from debianJun 18 21:09
MinceRs/mRNA/& are formed/Jun 18 21:11
AriadneokayJun 18 21:11
Ariadnewhat is he planning to do to debian?Jun 18 21:11
CrystalMathnothing, he suggests forking it maybe, but we already did that :DJun 18 21:12
CrystalMathDevuan <3Jun 18 21:12
MinceRi don't think he gets to do anything to debianJun 18 21:12
MinceRhe can't even buy it because ibm already owns debian and has more moneyJun 18 21:12
MinceRinstead of free speech, freenode now has free g-lines after speech, i guessJun 18 21:13
MinceR(sometimes z-lines though, maybe even gz-lines)Jun 18 21:13
CrystalMathMinceR: it wasn't because of something Ariadne saidJun 18 21:13
CrystalMathapparently Araidne is evading a ban alreadyJun 18 21:13
CrystalMath*Ariadne Jun 18 21:13
Ariadnenot on new freenodeJun 18 21:13
Ariadnebut if he wishes for me to continue banevadingJun 18 21:14
Ariadnethey still havent figured out how CIDR worksJun 18 21:14
MinceRlolJun 18 21:14
MinceRCrystalMath: and what was that ban placed for?Jun 18 21:14
CrystalMathi don't knowJun 18 21:15
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Ariadnehmm, unbannedJun 18 21:15
immibisactivelow: how would you verify an edge performance test against a chrome performance test?Jun 18 21:19
AriadneCrystalMath: well if i am evading a ban, they deleted itJun 18 21:20
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CrystalMathAriadne: i don't really knowJun 18 21:20
activelowimmibis: the methodology has to be checked, who complied with scientific standards and methods and who didn'tJun 18 21:21
activelowi am sure not only had curevac competitor scammers to answer alot of questions, i am also sure they find themselves in jail soon together with news and media agitators who supported injecting experimental vaccines to milk the cash cow at stock exchange and tax payersJun 18 21:22
immibisactivelow: You are really reaching, you are clutching at straws to prove they are corrupt, when they are notJun 18 21:27
immibisthere is no actual evidence showing they are corrupt. Facts don't care about your feelingsJun 18 21:28
activelowi didn't say curevac was corrupt! i say their competitors are criminals.Jun 18 21:28
immibisactivelow: you are presenting false evidence to try and show their competitors are corrupt. The evidence you are presenting does not show that.Jun 18 21:29
activelow 18 21:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Coronavirus: Germany′s CureVac vaccine only 47% effective | News | DW | 16.06.2021Jun 18 21:30
immibisYes, curevac is a failure. What's this got to do with all the other vaccines, that aren't curevac?Jun 18 21:31
immibismaybe they can improve it to treat variants, and it will be better. Or maybe they can'tJun 18 21:32
activelowNewsJun 18 21:32
activelowCoronavirus: Germany's CureVac vaccine only 47% effectiveJun 18 21:32
activelowThe German pharma company cited "the unprecedented context of at least 13 variants" in explaining why its vaccine fell short of expectations in an interim analysis.Jun 18 21:32
immibisrepeating the headline doesn't make it say anything you wantJun 18 21:32
immibisclearly the other vaccines used in germany are doing better than 47%, or else coronavirus would still be going upJun 18 21:33
immibisyou are just telling us that curevac have an excuse for their failureJun 18 21:33
activelowit isn't only curevac competitors who belong into jail, right besides them are EU officials who approved experimental vaccines, news and media staff, and german president granting the order of merit for thisJun 18 21:33
activelowcurevac considers it an "interim analysis" even, meanwhile competitors reached final approval already. how?Jun 18 21:35
Ariadne20:33 <root> O_oJun 18 21:37
Ariadne20:33 <root> I'm confused Jun 18 21:37
Ariadne20:34 <kaniini> did you not say you were going to do something to debianJun 18 21:37
Ariadne20:34 <kaniini> and that debian doesn't even know its comingJun 18 21:37
Ariadne20:34 <root> they knowJun 18 21:37
Ariadne20:34 <kaniini> well what is itJun 18 21:37
Ariadne20:34 <root> they know what they did alsoJun 18 21:37
Ariadne20:34 <root> :-)Jun 18 21:37
Ariadne20:35 <kaniini> what did they doJun 18 21:37
Ariadne20:35 <root> Thye knowJun 18 21:37
Ariadne20:35 <kaniini> andrew are you really going to fuck them over because of that announcement on debian-devel-announce ._.Jun 18 21:37
psyminI wonder what was doneJun 18 21:38
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XRevan86Ariadne: I am intrigued.Jun 18 21:40
AriadneXRevan86: i am worriedJun 18 21:40
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MinceRwhyJun 18 21:45
MinceRwhat do you think rasengan can do to debian?Jun 18 21:45
MinceRespecially after what debian has already done to itself (or what the CTTE did to debian, etc.)Jun 18 21:46
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XRevan86Ariadne: Why though? rasengan is not exactly influential at this point.Jun 18 21:54
AriadneMinceR: i dunno, thats what worries meJun 18 21:54
XRevan86And I wouldn't be surprised if he is delusional about it too.Jun 18 21:54
Ariadne20:52 <root> wutJun 18 21:55
Ariadne20:52 <root> are you talking aboutJun 18 21:55
Ariadne20:52 <root> im going to save debian too.Jun 18 21:55
Ariadne20:52 <root> i used to love debian sooo sooo much you have no idea.Jun 18 21:55
Ariadne20:53 <root> im sure i was like one of the first 10000 in the world to install it and use it etc. Jun 18 21:55
Ariadne20:53 <kaniini> andrew ._.Jun 18 21:55
Ariadne20:53 <kaniini> save them how?Jun 18 21:55
Ariadne20:53 <kaniini> why do they need saving?Jun 18 21:55
XRevan86Maybe Debian should be more like macOS, as the latter clearly has nothing wrong with.Jun 18 21:56
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Ariadnewell, whateverJun 18 22:01
Ariadnei let jonathan carter (DPL) know that andrew is making weird threats about debianJun 18 22:01
Ariadneits his problem now :DJun 18 22:01
CrystalMathit would be awesome if Andrew Lee took control of debian and removed systemdJun 18 22:02
psyminheheJun 18 22:02
Ariadnei think we all know that isnt going to happenJun 18 22:02
CrystalMathbut it would be awesomeJun 18 22:02
psyminbump the version of systemd to systemeJun 18 22:03
XRevan86CrystalMath: And made it more like Elementary OS tooJun 18 22:03
MinceRlol @ macosJun 18 22:03
MinceRit would be awesome indeedJun 18 22:03
XRevan86And without any packages of the projected that crossed Andrew.Jun 18 22:03
XRevan86* projectsJun 18 22:04
CrystalMathyeah, remove irccloud from debian :Jun 18 22:04
CrystalMathoh wait, it's proprietaryJun 18 22:04
psyminI wonder how much of Andrew's assets were tied up in taking over freenodeJun 18 22:04
psyminseems a shame to take control of something and then make it lose all value Jun 18 22:05
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saint_dogbert/fnIf he is as well connected and financed as he leads people to believe, then the whole thing could come crashing down and it would not affect his worthJun 18 22:06
XRevan86There are… reputational damages.Jun 18 22:07
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XRevan86And I don't only mean that he made a lot of enemies.Jun 18 22:08
Ariadnepeople are boycotting nowJun 18 22:08
AriadnehahaJun 18 22:08
XRevan86But also that it doesn't look pretty to any investor how he handled this assets.Jun 18 22:08
psyminhe should build a new freenode, with blackjackJun 18 22:09
MinceRdidn't he already do that?Jun 18 22:09
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gustafremoving systemd isn't as easy as dropping a services databaseJun 18 22:13
MinceRdepends on whether you want the resulting thing to function :>Jun 18 22:13
activelowdbus is even more challenging, if a functional graphical desktop shall remainJun 18 22:13
XRevan86gustaf: K-lining postgresql from the repos is however :)Jun 18 22:14
activelowremoving dbus locks out the entire gnome and kde desktop except for their widget toolkits, some packages require dirty patching, accessibility features are gone without dbus tooJun 18 22:15
MinceRoh well, i can live without gnome and kde :>Jun 18 22:19
activelowwebbrowser is a show stopper, couldn't untangle dbus from epiphany yet, mozilla went with rust which is blacklisted here too, so i am stuck with an old mozilla seamonkey which i am not at least allowed to distribute due to mozilla license conditionsJun 18 22:20
MinceR:(Jun 18 22:20
MinceRwhat about blink-based browsers?Jun 18 22:20
activelowany chromium based are blacklistedJun 18 22:21
MinceRwhy?Jun 18 22:21
activelowi am willing to discuss this, yet the decision is made and wont be revertedJun 18 22:21
activelowand it is related to design goals with the system i am maintainingJun 18 22:22
DaemonFC_phoneAll web browsers have turned into big pigs.Jun 18 22:22
MinceRthat's understandable but it's not that closely tied to the scenario of rasengan taking over debianJun 18 22:23
activelowsorry, systemd triggers me, didn't mean to interruptJun 18 22:23
MinceR:)Jun 18 22:23
DaemonFC_phoneDebian gave up its rights to improve Firefox at all when it agreed to the Mozilla trademark conditions.Jun 18 22:23
DaemonFC_phoneFor some unimportant branding.Jun 18 22:24
psyminthose icy weasels Jun 18 22:24
DaemonFC_phonePatching out some undesirable parts would still be easy, but Mozilla wouldn't approve the precious trademarks.Jun 18 22:24
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psyminMozilla, and really any corp that plays with FOSS with trademarks, should have an official name for the non-official versions.Jun 18 22:26
psyminI think?Jun 18 22:26
MinceRmaybe people should stop pretending that it's still free software when the method used to impede people in making changes happened to be trademarkJun 18 22:27
psyminThe license makes it free or non-free, not the trademarkJun 18 22:28
psyminis there a license that forbids using trademarks?Jun 18 22:28
MinceRno, abiding by the FSD makes it free or non-freeJun 18 22:28
activelowi tried to explain to the fsf people other criteria exist which transform software into non-freeJun 18 22:28
MinceRthe thing that depends on license only is called "open source" and it's deadJun 18 22:28
MinceRFSF people used to understand thisJun 18 22:29
psyminactivelow, which criteria?Jun 18 22:29
MinceRremember their campaign against monoJun 18 22:29
activelowbloatware, vendor lock-in, and impossibility to compile the stuff on power-efficient hardware (again vendor lock-in to hardware suppliers)Jun 18 22:29
psyminactivelow, can you give an example of a project with a free software license that has vendor lock in?Jun 18 22:30
activelowrust language is vendor lock-in -> blacklistedJun 18 22:30
psyminI suppose XBMC had vendor lock in for a whileJun 18 22:30
activelowgcc and kernel bloated beyond repair and vendor lock-in to hardware suppliers -> non-freeJun 18 22:30
psyminactivelow, can you briefly summarize the vendor lock in regarding rust?Jun 18 22:30
activelowyes psymin, the compilerJun 18 22:30
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activelowin conjunction with mozilla trademark policiesJun 18 22:31
psyminlooks like rust is Apache and MITJun 18 22:31
activelowand even if fsf/gnu decided to implement rust frontend with gcc it is a waste of resources and development effortsJun 18 22:31
gustafactivelow: what system is this? Jun 18 22:31
activelowgustaf: unnamed, i am working with gentoo, custom hardened profile maintained for amd64, and aarch64 since recentlyJun 18 22:32
gustafokJun 18 22:32
psyminlibrsvg depends on rust, but I'm using it on a systemw w/o mozilla stuffJun 18 22:32
psyminactivelow, nice!Jun 18 22:33
psyminI assume mozilla is the vendor that rust locks you into?Jun 18 22:33
activelowand llvm/clang (apple?)Jun 18 22:33
activelowi will not accept dev-lang/rust here and anything which depends on itJun 18 22:33
activelowfor various reasonsJun 18 22:34
psyminactivelow, I don't blame you.  I wish I could take the same stance. Jun 18 22:34
psyminrust doesn't like to compileJun 18 22:34
psyminor it takes more ram to compile than I'm often willing to give it or something?Jun 18 22:34
activelowi don't blame anyone either, and my grieve with systemd or rust isn't that it is deployed with other distros for freedom of choiceJun 18 22:34
activelowmy grieve with is such cannot simply be removed so i can keep a clean systemJun 18 22:35
psymin^Jun 18 22:35
psyminfree software doesn't mean it is worth using, just that it is free :)Jun 18 22:35
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psyminFor a while I deluded myself into think that the CPAL was "free enough"Jun 18 22:36
psyminCPAL is more restrictive than MPL (and based on it)Jun 18 22:37
activeloweffectively no free system exists anymore, due to required tooling for circuit design which is fully proprietary (Xilinx, Altera etc)Jun 18 22:37
activelowi couldn't easily flash an FPGA from an open circuit design without proprietary tooling, maybe others can, i can'tJun 18 22:38
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activelow summarizes quickly the situationJun 18 22:39
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psyminnice!Jun 18 22:40
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DaemonFCThat's the trouble with IRC on a mobile connection.Jun 18 23:37
DaemonFCIt disconnects all the time because you go in and out of cell tower range.Jun 18 23:38
DaemonFCApparently, Illinois is losing two coal plants next year. One's in Waukegan right by Lake Michigan.Jun 18 23:38
MinceRrunning it on a vps helpsJun 18 23:39
MinceRbut afaict ergo-ircd has some bouncer-like features built inJun 18 23:39
DaemonFCGovernor Pritzker showed up to take credit for it, but according to the news, what actually killed it was that it couldn't get a profitable rate on the PJM interconnection and so it was decided to shut it down because it would be losing money starting a few months from now.Jun 18 23:39
DaemonFCIt appears that the entire plant generates about as much energy as the demonstration Natrium reactor that they're building in Wyoming soon.Jun 18 23:40
DaemonFCBut only about half a percent of total generation in Illinois.Jun 18 23:40
DaemonFCI'm surprised that with the idiots running this state, that we have so much industry left.Jun 18 23:41
DaemonFCYou couldn't build it today. Liberals want to take us back to the stone age while continuing to get coffee that cuts down the rain forest every morning at Six Bucks.Jun 18 23:41
DaemonFCDriving their car that runs on fossil fuels and conflict minerals at the same time (hybrid) which don't age well and have to be decommissioned (MOAR CARBON!).Jun 18 23:42
DaemonFCJohn was trying to buy a 2010 Prius with 146,000 miles on it. The salesman said the battery had been reconditioned. I said, "So, does that mean that there's a new battery pack in there or that some asshole replaced a few cells and more will just fail in a year or two?".Jun 18 23:43
DaemonFCIt was very urgent to get a car for work, even though Chicago has one of the less shitty public transit systems in the region and his employer covered that 100%.Jun 18 23:45
DaemonFCMinceR, There were some firings when it was found out that some of the office people at TSA were selling their free parking pass to other people for like $100 a month.Jun 18 23:46
DaemonFCOther people would just park their car there in an employee spot and avoid leaving it at the airport lot for weeks or months on end and all those fees.Jun 18 23:46
DaemonFCMany of the people doing it didn't need the parking pass because they lived in one of the houses or apartments that was like a 10-15 minute walk from work.Jun 18 23:47
DaemonFCHope they didn't need that job either.Jun 18 23:47
DaemonFCJohn was telling me about a fat pervert that was creeping everyone out, actually.Jun 18 23:48
DaemonFCLike, orca fat. He broke all of the chairs in the break room and the government launched an investigation into who was breaking the chairs. Apparently big fat guy wasn't obvious enough.Jun 18 23:48
DaemonFCThen he was watching porn on a tablet during break. Groping passengers and making comments like "My, you're very well endowed.".Jun 18 23:49
DaemonFCThat wasn't enough to get him fired even during his first 90 days.Jun 18 23:49
DaemonFCThey just moved him to third shift. Then what finally did him in was when he cornered a supervisor and tried to get her to join him in the restroom. I'm telling you, this is why I don't fly.Jun 18 23:50
DaemonFCIf Garrett wasn't a programmer, he'd work at the TSA>Jun 18 23:50
DaemonFCTalking about using open source conferences as a meat market.Jun 18 23:50
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DaemonFCOh, there I am again.Jun 18 23:50
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DaemonFCOr not.Jun 18 23:51
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DaemonFCIs it the app!?Jun 18 23:51
DaemonFCschestowitz, Garrett posted on Shitter that you had his favorite conspiracy theory.Jun 18 23:52
DaemonFCThat he's packing Linux full of junk from the NSA.Jun 18 23:52
DaemonFCMaybe that is pushing it a little far. After all, the review bar seems so low these days that you can pack it full of junk that's barely even code.Jun 18 23:53
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DaemonFCLike, some of the UMN patches were designed to create vulnerabilities but they were too incompetent to do that correctly and then the patch got approved.Jun 18 23:54
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DaemonFCMinceR, Things move so fast in the kernel that you pretty much have to fork a stable branch if you want a custom kernel. I mean, sometimes patches continue to apply correctly to a branch they weren't tested against but it's just random at that point. What they approve or don't approve is also random.Jun 18 23:56
DaemonFCReiser4 is in much better shape than BtrFS is.Jun 18 23:56
DaemonFCThe reason BtrFS is in is because outfits liek Facebook are members of the Linux Destroying Foundation.Jun 18 23:56
DaemonFCIt has nothing to do with how good the component is. Money talks.Jun 18 23:57
DaemonFCBut you don't dare use ReiserFS because you could format volumes with it and then the patches don't get updated, or upstream starts dropping APIs it needs because they don't use them (like what happened to ZFS on Linux).Jun 18 23:57
activelownilfs2 didn't receive alot of attention in comparison, to my surpriseJun 18 23:58
DaemonFCReiser4, that is. Not that they treat Reiser3 much better.Jun 18 23:58
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