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| schestowitz__ | a lot of development is coordinated and communities built in this network, so we need to protect it. | May 20 00:00 |
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| baronhk[m]1 | schestowitz__: Now Hyundai is advertising that they have a "sonic baby detector" in their cars to alert you if you're about to leave a child in the car. WTF. | May 20 00:01 |
| techrights-bot | #SoftwarePatents = #FakePatents and #PTAB will likely throw this one out: "patent generally relates to a database that is able to search, sort, and display" https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/5/19/2000-for-relevant-holdings-prior-art #swpats | May 20 00:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | $2,000 for Relevant Holdings prior art — Unified Patents | May 20 00:02 | |
| baronhk[m]1 | Who has a child with them and "forgets" and leaves the child in the car? | May 20 00:02 |
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| techrights-bot | #Dolby is already blackmailing #gnu #linux distro developers using #swpats so it's good to see its #fakepatents coming under challenge https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/5/19/dolby-patent-challenged-in-china see http://techrights.org/2020/11/19/patent-trolling-dolby/ | May 20 00:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | Dolby patent challenged in China — Unified Patents | May 20 00:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Dolby Patents Are Being Used in Patent-Trolling Activity Against GNU/Linux, But Dolby is Said to Be a GPL Violator | Techrights | May 20 00:03 | |
| schestowitz__ | baronhk[m]1: one in a million or more | May 20 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | let's put a billion spying devices in cars to save one baby | May 20 00:03 |
| schestowitz__ | the whole "put microphones connected to GAFAM" everywhere in the house for your "health", "safety" and "fitness" gimmick | May 20 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/vaccine-platforms-and-limited-global.html?showComment=1621437850898#c3670832472729600458 | May 20 00:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Vaccine platforms and limited global production capacity: what is to be done? - The IPKat | May 20 00:04 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Thanks for your response, but my message was about going beyond 'IP solutions' and promoting/funding R&D in developing countries. I agree with compulsory licensing, but actually meaningful technology transfer is needed, for example in exchange for access to developing country markets by pharma. We are in a very serious crisis that also provides the opportunities for meaningful structural changes which will help with future pandemics | May 20 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | IP solutions are a distraction because we all know they won't provide vaccines to the developing world. We need to help the developing world a lot more than that." | May 20 00:04 |
| schestowitz__ | "IP solutions" LOL | May 20 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | I've nothing against Internet Protocol | May 20 00:05 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Most people who leave a baby in a hot car are some kind of degenerate asshole out between prison stints. | May 20 00:05 |
| baronhk[m]1 | So I doubt this "feature" does any real good. | May 20 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | if You LOVE YOUR BABY, YOUWillBuyThis!! (TM) | May 20 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | lots of companies shoehorn bad things by hijacking popular causes | May 20 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | or by concern-trolling | May 20 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | like censoring communities | May 20 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | to make them "more welcoming" | May 20 00:06 |
| rasengan | schestowitz__: I agree entirely. | May 20 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | by means nobody even spoke about | May 20 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | like removing the term "lame" | May 20 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | rasengan: I'm no friend of rich people, but I think you're being misunderstood in this context | May 20 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe it was handles poorly on the communications side | May 20 00:07 |
| rasengan | schestowitz__: I appreciate your efforts in helping to bring up issues on your website, and look forward to engaging with you and the rest of the community to help develop the proper structure to carry freenode to the future. | May 20 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | PIA is the only VPN I trust | May 20 00:07 |
| schestowitz__ | baronhk[m]1 uses it | May 20 00:08 |
| schestowitz__ | rasengan: have you spoken to #fsf and #gnu also? | May 20 00:08 |
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| schestowitz__ | their words in support of staying on freenode would go a long way | May 20 00:08 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz__: ##slackware is staying | May 20 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | good | May 20 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | we don't need to rock the boat | May 20 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | until there's some very very bad faith move by rasengan | May 20 00:09 |
| rasengan | I think there was definitely poor communication. I apologize for that. I've not yet spoken to anyone in those groups, but with respect and honor to the organizations, there were issues that arose there as well that I don't particularly have any of my own opinion on since I don't have enough information, but I want to make sure we structure this | May 20 00:09 |
| rasengan | right for everyone and fully understand what we're doing to avoid anything like what's happening here or what happened there. | May 20 00:09 |
| schestowitz__ | most of us just want to get on with work, not hop between networks | May 20 00:09 |
| rasengan | I thought you meant in terms of sorting the governance of freenode, I apologize. | May 20 00:09 |
| lockeanarchist | maybe the best way is calling people from fsf/distros to be staff here | May 20 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | that can help improve confidence | May 20 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | that might help, too | May 20 00:10 |
| rasengan | With respect to channels and groups, I actually hope that everyone simply makes their own opinion and call based on what best suits their situation - be it to stay on freenode, move to another IRC Network, or even adopt a self-hosted, FOSS, in house platform of some kind. | May 20 00:10 |
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| schestowitz__ | people and names we can recognise | May 20 00:10 |
| lockeanarchist | Arch Linux is undecided yet | May 20 00:10 |
| rasengan | lockeanarchist I agree. | May 20 00:10 |
| schestowitz__ | lockeanarchist: they're busying coding/hacking | May 20 00:11 |
| rasengan | Something that I've prepared as a proposal but haven't yet presented it publicly as I have (from former freenode staffers and others) received mixed input (positive and negative). | May 20 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | afaik, the only 'bad' thing rasengan did was takeover of the domain or whatnot | May 20 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | without properly explaining the intentions | May 20 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | what are the operating costs of freenode, aside from staff/HR? | May 20 00:11 |
| schestowitz__ | 10,000 dollars a month? | May 20 00:12 |
| CrystalMath | ReactOS remains primarily on mattermost but remains bridged to freenode | May 20 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | I assume there's also the repair aspect | May 20 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | but you already have DCs full of iron for PIA all around the world | May 20 00:12 |
| schestowitz__ | IRC has low footprint on the server side | May 20 00:12 |
| rasengan | Essentially, as I understood it, aside from certain aspects that are more difficult to decentralize, what I'm interested in to see is if the community is interested in a different model more akin to EFnet (e.g., if Arch Linux links a server like irc.archlinux.org, then the server remains that and people will eventually connect via that). Thus if | May 20 00:12 |
| rasengan | they feel, in the future, that freenode is failing them, they can simply delink/relink elsewhere or stand-alone. | May 20 00:12 |
| lockeanarchist | rasengan: You guys need to talk with Ubuntu/Arch/FSF ops fast, try to get together a council proposal etc idk | May 20 00:13 |
| rasengan | This would essentially cause the domain 'freenode.net' to become less important overtime and give rise to a truly decentralized IRC network. | May 20 00:13 |
| lockeanarchist | if this ambivalence persists Freenode will bleed fast | May 20 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | IRC isn't built to be decentralised | May 20 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | because of the nature of rooms | May 20 00:13 |
| rasengan | That's true - let's call it, less centralized. | May 20 00:13 |
| schestowitz__ | I hardly of a true/pure delinked from central point chat clients | May 20 00:14 |
| XRevan86 | More like… XMPP? | May 20 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | xmpp has a server | May 20 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | you can self-host, sure | May 20 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | with openfire is what/how we did it | May 20 00:14 |
| XRevan86 | Which is not the same as the MUC server. | May 20 00:14 |
| cow_2001 | nobody self hosts | May 20 00:14 |
| cow_2001 | almost nobody | May 20 00:14 |
| CrystalMath | rasengan: i think that's a great idea actually! | May 20 00:14 |
| XRevan86 | Oh hey, a user of OpenFire, how weird. | May 20 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | it's problematgic | May 20 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | for MANY reasons | May 20 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | (self-hosting IRC) | May 20 00:14 |
| superkuh | The IRC community isn't interested in change. The IRC community wants stability. | May 20 00:14 |
| schestowitz__ | yes! | May 20 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | PIA has many servers | May 20 00:15 |
| superkuh | People who want change are using discord/slack/etc already. | May 20 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | and needs people who can operate the IRC daemons or whatnot | May 20 00:15 |
| schestowitz__ | if PIA wants a business model, it can try to offer VPN "added value" | May 20 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | like anonymous IRC access packages | May 20 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | which I don't think would be unethical | May 20 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | I get some leaks from sources over IRC | May 20 00:16 |
| rasengan | I don't think that changing the nomenclature on the IRC network will cause too much issue since the original irc.freenode and chat.freenode would still round robin. | May 20 00:16 |
| schestowitz__ | anonymity isn't a think, but we can work towards that, to replace "document drops" | May 20 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | I don't think the domain is the issue | May 20 00:17 |
| XRevan86 | superkuh: And then Discord just arbitrarily blocks them. | May 20 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | it's whether people trust the domain owner | May 20 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | I am working on a long article about freenode | May 20 00:17 |
| XRevan86 | but one person is not important, so the world moves on | May 20 00:17 |
| schestowitz__ | but need to get more facts right, the prior ones were very hasty and rushed due to panic | May 20 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: we can all agree those proprietary systems are obsolete to us | May 20 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | we move in a different direction, different goals | May 20 00:18 |
| rasengan | schestowitz__: I agree, re the trust. That said, to cause someone to trust a single domain and domain owner is a bit much. That trust could be spread across many different domains, hosted by projects who choose to exist here. | May 20 00:18 |
| schestowitz__ | rasengan: +1 | May 20 00:19 |
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| techrights-bot | Nowadays, #uspto grants #patents on everything that moves, even mere thoughts. It's a joke. Let's get back to #patent sanity, shall we? https://twitter.com/patentlyo/status/1395091737232781313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw | May 20 00:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@patentlyo: REISSUE patents continue to issue every week. This historic chart is super interesting! Back in 1875, the Patent O… https://t.co/U3Abqn6YdI | May 20 00:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@patentlyo: REISSUE patents continue to issue every week. This historic chart is super interesting! Back in 1875, the Patent O… https://t.co/U3Abqn6YdI | May 20 00:20 | |
| schestowitz__ | rasengan: is Shells run by your brother? | May 20 00:20 |
| superkuh | You say that as you tear the entire community apart using your legal shell games to deny involvement on technicalities. But I don't care what legal fictions you hide behind. It's you. Some future panacea of perfectly federated IRC is irrelevant to what you are doing now. | May 20 00:21 |
| rasengan | schestowitz__: Yes | May 20 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | cool. | May 20 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | superkuh: mind you, running the network costs money | May 20 00:21 |
| schestowitz__ | that's the reality of it | May 20 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | so he's walking as tight rope here... | May 20 00:22 |
| schestowitz__ | for us the 'lazy' geeks what matters is that freenode is "just there..." | May 20 00:22 |
| superkuh | Now imagine if it were Bill Gates (or any suitable rich person) providing the funding hands off, then, taking control despite saying he wouldn't. Would you respond the same way? | May 20 00:25 |
| schestowitz__ | that's a straw man | May 20 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | being rich is not a sin | May 20 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | esp. if inherited etc. | May 20 00:26 |
| superkuh | Certainly not. | May 20 00:26 |
| schestowitz__ | billionaires are rarely good people | May 20 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | if they were, they would likely not get THAT wealthy | May 20 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | so comparing sociopaths to rasengan seems unfair | May 20 00:27 |
| superkuh | But you seem willing to ignore a lot because "the network costs money". | May 20 00:27 |
| schestowitz__ | I saw no evidence of him being ill-spirited | May 20 00:27 |
| superkuh | Well, he literally denied being behind handshake to me in a hackernews thread. | May 20 00:27 |
| superkuh | Legal shell games. | May 20 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | if he is handshake or "pi" fund, then that's good | May 20 00:28 |
| schestowitz__ | they helped some decent projects | May 20 00:28 |
| superkuh | It's a cryptocurrency he shilled on freenode and gave away to freenode members to get it going. | May 20 00:28 |
| superkuh | It's one he is on the leadership of. | May 20 00:28 |
| rasengan | superkuh: I didn't deny that at all to be clear. | May 20 00:29 |
| superkuh | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27175711 | May 20 00:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | More London Trust Media Holdings corporate moves to try to monetize the FOSS pro... | Hacker News | May 20 00:29 | |
| superkuh | Lets let the text show. | May 20 00:29 |
| rasengan | As for the 'shill', I think that is a gross misinterpretation of what Handshake is. | May 20 00:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Handshake is a GoodThing (TM) | May 20 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | afaik | May 20 00:30 |
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| schestowitz__ | if he's being Handshake, GOOD | May 20 00:30 |
| schestowitz__ | he or Mr. Kim | May 20 00:30 |
| superkuh | Yeah, I like the idea. I'm a user of namecoin. I even tried out handshake. | May 20 00:30 |
| MinceR | handshake is what you get when you stick your hand into a running blender that's full of milk? | May 20 00:31 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz__: i don't know, i heard these became less popular since 2020 :P | May 20 00:31 |
| CrystalMath | (get it? because handshakes, and covid) | May 20 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | oops, I means "behind" | May 20 00:32 |
| CrystalMath | (it's a joke) | May 20 00:32 |
| schestowitz__ | I'm just preparing Daily Links now | May 20 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | I've put aside all the freenode links | May 20 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | about 15 from today | May 20 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | I need to study them later and form an assessment, maybe this weekend | May 20 00:33 |
| cow_2001 | /iset freenode | May 20 00:33 |
| cow_2001 | err | May 20 00:33 |
| cow_2001 | oops | May 20 00:33 |
| schestowitz__ | BTW, what's with Sweden? | May 20 00:34 |
| schestowitz__ | Do people assume it's good place for hosting? | May 20 00:34 |
| schestowitz__ | In 2021? | May 20 00:34 |
| schestowitz__ | EU/Sweden are not free speech-friendly | May 20 00:34 |
| schestowitz__ | Iceland is better | May 20 00:34 |
| schestowitz__ | Sweden was maybe OK when Wikileaks hosted there over a decade back | May 20 00:35 |
| schestowitz__ | when people say 'we host from sweden" I'm suspicious | May 20 00:35 |
| schestowitz__ | like people who use Switzerland as a badge of ethics | May 20 00:36 |
| baronhk[m]1 | schestowitz__: I'd just buy everything I would ever want and save a few million for myself and give all the rest away to things I cared about. | May 20 00:36 |
| schestowitz__ | it's where many thieves avoid paying tax or hide illegal money | May 20 00:36 |
| baronhk[m]1 | People have no real need of $100 billion. | May 20 00:36 |
| schestowitz__ | right | May 20 00:36 |
| schestowitz__ | but it's an ego game | May 20 00:36 |
| baronhk[m]1 | After several million, you'll definitely have everything you'll ever need or want. | May 20 00:36 |
| schestowitz__ | compensating for lack of other thing | May 20 00:36 |
| schestowitz__ | it becomes a sickness reinforces by who they hang out with and compete with | May 20 00:36 |
| baronhk[m]1 | I couldn't see myself as anything more than an eccentric millionaire. | May 20 00:37 |
| schestowitz__ | my salary is about 25k a year and it's enough to keep me happy and health | May 20 00:37 |
| schestowitz__ | *healthy (we have NHS) | May 20 00:37 |
| MinceR | baronhk[m]1: i doubt it | May 20 00:37 |
| MinceR | can you get a proper army for $100 billion? | May 20 00:37 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Even with double or triple that here, you would be far from comfortable. | May 20 00:38 |
| baronhk[m]1 | The government would make sure of that with all of their dirty health insurance laws. | May 20 00:38 |
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| schestowitz__ | MinceR: mind you, many of these people are very old | May 20 00:39 |
| schestowitz__ | (ageism blah blah) | May 20 00:39 |
| schestowitz__ | they won't have much time or capacity to enjoy that money | May 20 00:39 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Oddly, ACA premium supports don't count against you, so as long as you watch that your income doesn't go too high, you can be an immigrant and on a subsidized health insurance plan and they can't say anything about it. | May 20 00:39 |
| schestowitz__ | either physical limitation of lack of time | May 20 00:39 |
| schestowitz__ | *or | May 20 00:39 |
| baronhk[m]1 | But Medicaid counts against you if you're an immigrant, even though it costs the government about $4,600 per Medicaid beneficiary per year vs. possibly $7,000-$8,000 in ACA credits. | May 20 00:40 |
| baronhk[m]1 | So enrolling in something that costs the government twice as much is the way to go if you're a low income immigrant in need of insurance. | May 20 00:40 |
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| schestowitz__ | [09:06] <schestowitz__> baronhk[m]1: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/samsung-gpl.ogg | May 20 00:45 |
| schestowitz__ | good times, eh? | May 20 00:45 |
| schestowitz__ | much changed since | May 20 00:46 |
| schestowitz__ | now they tell almost billions of devices with linux (gplv2) | May 20 00:46 |
| schestowitz__ | brb coffee | May 20 00:46 |
| schestowitz__ | rasengan: just in | May 20 00:51 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/19/Freenode.html | May 20 00:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gentoo.org | Freenode IRC and Gentoo – Gentoo Linux | May 20 00:51 | |
| schestowitz__ | "We are aware of the situation surrounding Freenode ownership and / or administration (1, 2, 3, 4) and are watching current developments closely. So far no decision on Gentoo involvement has been taken. Please check this page for future updates." | May 20 00:51 |
| schestowitz__ | need to hurry] | May 20 00:51 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe go speak to them in #gentoo | May 20 00:52 |
| baronhk[m]1 | <schestowitz__ "good times, eh?"> The years have not been kind. | May 20 00:52 |
| baronhk[m]1 | But what else is new? | May 20 00:52 |
| schestowitz__ | I'd rather not see freenode falling apart | May 20 00:52 |
| schestowitz__ | baronhk[m]1: less hair :0-) | May 20 00:52 |
| rasengan | schestowitz__: Currently, tomaw and I have been working on a joint announcement. It's really late where he's at so he's sleeping right now. | May 20 00:52 |
| schestowitz__ | makes sense | May 20 00:52 |
| XRevan86 | rasengan: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409 Ye've seen this of course? | May 20 00:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gist.github.com | freenode-faq.md · GitHub | May 20 00:53 | |
| schestowitz__ | anyway, I am watching the situation, monitoring for any misconceptions | May 20 00:53 |
| schestowitz__ | this reminds me of https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ | May 20 00:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rms-support-letter.github.io | An open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman | An open letter in support of RMS. | May 20 00:54 | |
| schestowitz__ | 1) it's on github | May 20 00:54 |
| schestowitz__ | 2) they go for quantities | May 20 00:54 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/746423.png | May 20 00:55 |
| XRevan86 | https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/88549ec34ee32d01629354e4075d2d48 this is also on github | May 20 00:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gist.github.com | Letter to freenode · GitHub | May 20 00:55 | |
| schestowitz__ | 3) we hear one side of it only | May 20 00:55 |
| XRevan86 | these two pastes are what an OpenNET (Russian) article on the topic links to | May 20 00:55 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: This is gold. | May 20 00:56 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: I will link to that | May 20 00:58 |
| schestowitz__ | this is the sort of counter-argument more people need to at least see | May 20 00:58 |
| XRevan86 | I linked to both in another channel. | May 20 00:58 |
| XRevan86 | Still figuring out the situation. | May 20 00:58 |
| schestowitz__ | I am guessing some people compared Lee to Trump because of the lowercase "real" | May 20 00:59 |
| schestowitz__ | though I doubt he'd support those sorts of politics | May 20 00:59 |
| schestowitz__ | people tried calling me Trump too | May 20 00:59 |
| schestowitz__ | just cheap tactics that mislead | May 20 00:59 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: Ye read the comments or something? | May 20 01:00 |
| schestowitz__ | might be of relevance to rasengan http://techrights.org/2021/04/29/ritual-defamation/ | May 20 01:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Practice of Ritual Defamation (Relevant to Cancel Mobs) | Techrights | May 20 01:00 | |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: the comments are shit | May 20 01:01 |
| schestowitz__ | comments are USUALLY pure shit | May 20 01:01 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: They really are. | May 20 01:01 |
| schestowitz__ | I read the first half a dozen and gave up | May 20 01:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Techrigths doesn't bother much with comments | May 20 01:02 |
| schestowitz__ | and I don't waste much effort on social control media | May 20 01:02 |
| schestowitz__ | GitHub is social control media | May 20 01:02 |
| schestowitz__ | a bunch of "randoms" spewing hate | May 20 01:02 |
| XRevan86 | Anyway, both sides accuse each other of hostile take-over. | May 20 01:03 |
| schestowitz__ | even people who are already preconditioned to oppose you, so it amplifies polarity | May 20 01:03 |
| schestowitz__ | I have read more comments | May 20 01:03 |
| schestowitz__ | further down it's pure shitposting | May 20 01:03 |
| schestowitz__ | and short spews | May 20 01:04 |
| schestowitz__ | even our IRC channel is more tame, albeit informal | May 20 01:04 |
| schestowitz__ | anyway... seems like a ritual mob | May 20 01:04 |
| schestowitz__ | and I see people referring to Lee as "Korean" though he's American | May 20 01:04 |
| schestowitz__ | imagine them calling some British-born people "Indian" | May 20 01:04 |
| schestowitz__ | So that's some tribalism right there | May 20 01:05 |
| superkuh | And concentrating on that aspect rather than the corporate and legal take-over is bike shedding. | May 20 01:05 |
| superkuh | I intrinsically trust human people more than corporations. | May 20 01:05 |
| XRevan86 | One point of the opposition is that the rasengan's company doesn't have any claim on Freenode whatsoever as even the domain names being in its control is a historical misunderstanding, so it wasn't his call to begin with. | May 20 01:05 |
| MinceR | i don't trust those "human people" that much | May 20 01:06 |
| schestowitz__ | that's a form of veiled racism by the way | May 20 01:06 |
| schestowitz__ | the "yellow peril" type | May 20 01:06 |
| MinceR | especially the ones that signed the anti-RMS letter | May 20 01:06 |
| XRevan86 | rasengan meanwhile says that he does own Freenode, and did all sorts of things for the network's proliferation. | May 20 01:06 |
| schestowitz__ | MinceR: yeah, depends on the human | May 20 01:06 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: he has owned it for a long time | May 20 01:07 |
| superkuh | I don't think anyone is denying all the help he's given the network. But ownership and money does not make right. | May 20 01:07 |
| schestowitz__ | many people just didn't know | May 20 01:07 |
| schestowitz__ | I knew since the start | May 20 01:07 |
| *GuySoft has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | May 20 01:07 | |
| schestowitz__ | superkuh: fair point | May 20 01:07 |
| superkuh | I did. There was an upset back then. But most, and myself included, were calmed when we were informed that the servers weren't owned by the LLC. | May 20 01:07 |
| schestowitz__ | typical scenario with VCs | May 20 01:07 |
| schestowitz__ | they give money | May 20 01:07 |
| schestowitz__ | then they own the recipient | May 20 01:07 |
| superkuh | And that the LLC wouldn't interfere with the network. | May 20 01:07 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: The opposition point is that Freenode Ltd. != Freenode | May 20 01:07 |
| schestowitz__ | then they fire the founder etc. | May 20 01:07 |
| superkuh | But it turns out that was a lie. | May 20 01:07 |
| superkuh | Or, a very, very very bad miscommunication equal to a lie. | May 20 01:08 |
| superkuh | I recall many channels making plans to move to other networks then. | May 20 01:08 |
| superkuh | If this happened. | May 20 01:08 |
| XRevan86 | > Tomaw turns around and asks me a bunch of questions if I'm going to challenge his control. He also says he understands I am the owner. | May 20 01:08 |
| XRevan86 | But this implies a different story. | May 20 01:09 |
| schestowitz__ | who owns that other network, which they say is based in Sweden but isn't run by Swedish people? | May 20 01:09 |
| schestowitz__ | (not going to call it a ShellsGame) | May 20 01:09 |
| schestowitz__ | like MinceR said, don't trust people either | May 20 01:09 |
| schestowitz__ | depends on the people | May 20 01:09 |
| XRevan86 | "don't trust people either" | May 20 01:09 |
| *XRevan86 looks at uBlock. | May 20 01:09 | |
| schestowitz__ | SoylentNews kicked people out when they were asleep | May 20 01:10 |
| schestowitz__ | I see the same here | May 20 01:10 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: friends don't trust friends :-) | May 20 01:10 |
| XRevan86 | Man is a wolf to man? | May 20 01:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Man is a 'wolf' to wolves | May 20 01:11 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/01/05/gray-wolves-lose-federal-endangered-species-act-protections/ | May 20 01:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gray Wolves Lose Federal Endangered Species Act protections - CounterPunch.org | May 20 01:12 | |
| schestowitz__ | MinceR: https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/19/taxpayers-shell-out-huge-subsidies-to-wolf-pup-killers-ranching-enterprise/ | May 20 01:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Taxpayers Shell Out Huge Subsidies to Wolf Pup-Killer’s Ranching Enterprise - CounterPunch.org | May 20 01:12 | |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/sTg5Ldqm8ME | May 20 01:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nostalgia Critic - MAN! - YouTube | May 20 01:12 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/09/11/reckless-violent-massacre-570-wolves-and-wolf-pups-idaho-bolsters-alarm-over-trump | May 20 01:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'Reckless, Violent, Massacre' of 570 Wolves and Wolf Pups in Idaho Bolsters Alarm Over Trump Attack on Species Protections | Common Dreams News | May 20 01:12 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/05/28/nation-focused-pandemic-trump-interior-dept-greenlight-killing-bear-cubs-and-wolf | May 20 01:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | With Nation Focused on Pandemic, Trump Interior Dept. to Greenlight Killing of Bear Cubs and Wolf Pups in Their Dens | Common Dreams News | May 20 01:13 | |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▂▄▆▇▆▃▅▆▆▅▅▆▆▂▅▄▅▅▆▆▂▁█▅▅▅▃▄▅▅▅▇▅▁ avg(k/sec) 36.20 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▂▃▁▂▁▂▂▁▁▂▂▂▃▁█▁▁▂▂▁▁▁▂█▁▂▁▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 19.58▕ swarm size (avg): 224.50 ⟲ | May 20 01:15 |
| techrights-bot | Recognizing handwritten MNIST digits on an Arduino Uno using LogNNet | Arduino Blog ⇨ https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/05/19/recognizing-handwritten-mnist-digits-on-an-arduino-uno-using-lognnet/ •●• #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/20/#latest | May 20 01:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | Recognizing handwritten MNIST digits on an Arduino Uno using LogNNet | Arduino Blog | May 20 01:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | May 20 01:15 | |
| techrights-bot | "There’s no shortage of very smart people working on Mesa. One of those, aspiring benchmark-quadrupler Marek Olšák, had a novel idea some time ago: Could C++ function templates were used to optimize draw dispatch in driver?" https://www.supergoodcode.com/template-me/ | May 20 01:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.supergoodcode.com | Template Me – Mike Blumenkrantz – Super. Good. Code. | May 20 01:15 | |
| techrights-bot | Dirk Eddelbuettel: RcppDate 0.0.3: New Upstream http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/blog/2021/05/19#rcppdate_0.0.3 #programming | May 20 01:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dirk.eddelbuettel.com | Thinking inside the box | May 20 01:16 | |
| MinceR | https://pleated-jeans.com/2021/05/12/clever-funny-tinder-bios/ | May 20 01:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleated-jeans.com | Tinder’s Not A Game, But If It Were, These Are The All-Time Champs (50 Pics) | May 20 01:17 | |
| techrights-bot | #ptab #fakepatents #uspto https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/05/standing-challenge-appeals.html "Apple and Qualcomm have a license deal, and Apple has licensed the patent at issue (along with at least 20,000 other patents)." | May 20 01:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | En Banc on Standing for IPR Challenge Appeals | Patently-O | May 20 01:18 | |
| techrights-bot | " #Ireland will oppose much of the European Commission’s plan for a more unified corporate tax regime across the bloc and believes it will be joined by many other sceptical member states, Finance Minister Paschal Donohoe said on Wednesday." Trying to be a corporate Switzerland and assist robber barons. https://www.reuters.com/business/legal/ireland-opposes-much-eu-corporate-tax-plan-minister-2021-05-19/ | May 20 01:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ireland opposes much of EU corporate tax plan - minister | Reuters | May 20 01:19 | |
| *kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wambptnsccsnaikr) has joined #techrights | May 20 01:20 | |
| techrights-bot | This is hardly a clash but an echo chamber of #patent zealots, who also fund this "podcast" to get their talking points across. Except KEI. https://www.managingip.com/article/b1rx0d5vbw3mpf/podcast-pharma-insiders-clash-over-covid-ip-waiver #patents #monopolies #greed | May 20 01:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Podcast: Pharma insiders clash over COVID IP waiver | Managing Intellectual Property | May 20 01:23 | |
| XRevan86 | https://github.com/GloDroid/glodroid_manifest/releases/tag/v0.6.1 oh hey, it's alive | May 20 01:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Release GloDroid v0.6.1 · GloDroid/glodroid_manifest · GitHub | May 20 01:23 | |
| techrights-bot | #SoftwarePatents and other #fakePatents will almost always be thrown out by #ptab if the petition is admitted https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/5/18/digimedia-tech-patent-determined-to-be-likely-invalid #swpats | May 20 01:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | DigiMedia Tech patent determined to be likely invalid — Unified Patents | May 20 01:24 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: ^ | May 20 01:24 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: maybe in the wrong platform | May 20 01:24 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: No control over that. | May 20 01:24 |
| XRevan86 | I can only bring the news ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | May 20 01:25 |
| schestowitz__ | while it lasts | May 20 01:25 |
| schestowitz__ | github will be offline one day | May 20 01:25 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe not before tooooooo long | May 20 01:25 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: nice | May 20 01:25 |
| schestowitz__ | hopefully | May 20 01:25 |
| schestowitz__ | and the project won't have a say on it | May 20 01:25 |
| MinceR | too bad google seems to be on the way to lock android down even further | May 20 01:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Remember freshmeat, google code, codeplex etc. | May 20 01:26 |
| MinceR | apparently they'll fuck up the way applications access storage yet again | May 20 01:26 |
| XRevan86 | What's new under the sun? | May 20 01:26 |
| MinceR | already the only file manager i have that's fully functional on android is the one that shipped with the phone | May 20 01:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Material Files? | May 20 01:27 |
| techrights-bot | Max Walters as a megaphone for aggressive law firms that pay his salary, calling on China to join their ridiculous regime of preliminary injunctions, presumed guilt, no due process etc. https://www.managingip.com/article/b1rwzyqltym19r/lawyers-chinese-courts-should-seriously-encourage-pis | May 20 01:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Lawyers: Chinese courts should ‘seriously encourage’ PIs | Managing Intellectual Property | May 20 01:27 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | May 20 01:28 |
| schestowitz__ | clownFiles | May 20 01:28 |
| schestowitz__ | Google helps you | May 20 01:28 |
| schestowitz__ | by backing that up for you | May 20 01:28 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: i think it's some LG-specific application | May 20 01:28 |
| MinceR | "File Manager" | May 20 01:29 |
| schestowitz__ | LG still does Android | May 20 01:29 |
| schestowitz__ | ? | May 20 01:29 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's a recommendation: https://f-droid.org/ru/packages/me.zhanghai.android.files | May 20 01:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-f-droid.org | Material Files | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository | May 20 01:29 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: Nay. | May 20 01:29 |
| schestowitz__ | afaik, they will imminently quit the market | May 20 01:29 |
| schestowitz__ | and have said that for years | May 20 01:29 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: oh. | May 20 01:29 |
| schestowitz__ | they want to focus better on fridges with microphones on them :-) | May 20 01:30 |
| schestowitz__ | and webos | May 20 01:30 |
| schestowitz__ | aka. palm OS | May 20 01:30 |
| schestowitz__ | among other names | May 20 01:30 |
| MinceR | schestowitz__: sadly, they stopped making phones | May 20 01:30 |
| schestowitz__ | I forgot another incarnation of it after/before HO | May 20 01:30 |
| schestowitz__ | HP | May 20 01:30 |
| MinceR | there probably won't be another android phone as good as this LG V50 | May 20 01:30 |
| schestowitz__ | are they profitable at all? | May 20 01:31 |
| schestowitz__ | samsung is far bigger | May 20 01:31 |
| schestowitz__ | htc also had trouble with phones, blamed marketing | May 20 01:31 |
| MinceR | probably not | May 20 01:31 |
| MinceR | samsung went to shit | May 20 01:31 |
| MinceR | htc had trouble implementing a headset jack that worked properly | May 20 01:32 |
| techrights-bot | Yet another nonsensical buzzword "HealthTech", as prelude to patenting agenda even in areas that must not be patented, sometimes for ethical considerations https://techround.co.uk/guides/why-healthtech-founders-should-patent-their-technology/ see http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/software-as-a-medical-device-samd-like-medtech-at-the-epo-just-another-dodge-for-illegitimate-software-patents/ | May 20 01:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techround.co.uk | Why HealthTech Founders Should Patent Their Technology - TechRound | May 20 01:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software as a Medical Device (SaMD) — Like MedTech at the EPO — Just Another Dodge for Illegitimate Software Patents | Techrights | May 20 01:33 | |
| techrights-bot | "Written by Esmé Swindells – #Patent Attorney at Potter Clarkson LLP", so basically "Tech"Round has been reduced to misleading and shameless marketing spam for a bunch of lawyers and attorneys, disguised as "news". | May 20 01:34 |
| XRevan86 | I haven't seen a Samsung phone since… 2013 maybe. | May 20 01:35 |
| schestowitz__ | I've not has a mobile phone | May 20 01:35 |
| XRevan86 | and I've seen a bloody Lumia | May 20 01:35 |
| schestowitz__ | I remember having a motorola until maybe 2003 | May 20 01:35 |
| schestowitz__ | it was huge | May 20 01:35 |
| schestowitz__ | it was like 1995 tech | May 20 01:35 |
| schestowitz__ | my dad wanted to be able to contact me | May 20 01:36 |
| XRevan86 | The owner even said something like caring about longer support than for an Android phone. | May 20 01:36 |
| XRevan86 | I made a prediction to him referencing what happened to WP7 | May 20 01:36 |
| schestowitz__ | some say Android is the issue | May 20 01:36 |
| XRevan86 | it's nice to be right | May 20 01:37 |
| schestowitz__ | I go further and say phone is the issue (mobile) | May 20 01:37 |
| schestowitz__ | their location precision improved a lot, and that's not a plus | May 20 01:37 |
| MinceR | i used a company-owned samsung galaxy s9, and i don't miss it at all | May 20 01:37 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: I'm talking about Windows Phone/Mobile vs. Android. | May 20 01:37 |
| MinceR | they bent the display so far it would become unresponsive to taps | May 20 01:37 |
| XRevan86 | the year 2018 or something | May 20 01:37 |
| *schestowitz__ taps the mouse buttons and moves the thing around | May 20 01:38 | |
| *schestowitz__ does not have a stylus for finger, need pencil sharpener for 'meat' | May 20 01:38 | |
| techrights-bot | #SoftwarePatent at #epo https://www.mondaq.com/germany/patent/1065008/translation-of-a-natural-language-into-an-abstract-language-non-technical #swpats | May 20 01:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Translation Of A Natural Language Into An Abstract Language: Non-Technical - Intellectual Property - Germany | May 20 01:39 | |
| XRevan86 | I told a person that Microsoft will screw them over and their "smartphone" will become more useless than an instantly obsoleted Chinese Android phone. | May 20 01:40 |
| XRevan86 | "Chinese" as in a small Chinese brand | May 20 01:40 |
| XRevan86 | not like Honor or something | May 20 01:40 |
| schestowitz__ | all phones are chinese | May 20 01:40 |
| schestowitz__ | almost all | May 20 01:40 |
| XRevan86 | yea, I had to make that clarification | May 20 01:41 |
| schestowitz__ | lg, samsung and lg might be taipei and seoul based, but manufacturing is in china | May 20 01:41 |
| schestowitz__ | so let's distinguish brands from origins | May 20 01:41 |
| schestowitz__ | or designs | May 20 01:41 |
| MinceR | my LG V50 was made in korea | May 20 01:41 |
| MinceR | but they aren't making any more | May 20 01:41 |
| schestowitz__ | apple is a 'chinese' company, mostly.. | May 20 01:41 |
| schestowitz__ | their "AYE PEE" is in the US | May 20 01:41 |
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| schestowitz__ | hi, tr_guest|39786 | May 20 01:42 |
| schestowitz__ | MinceR: some Nokia phones were made in Finland | May 20 01:42 |
| schestowitz__ | raspi is still made in uk, maybe wales, iirc | May 20 01:42 |
| schestowitz__ | but it phones Trumpland | May 20 01:42 |
| schestowitz__ | Redmond | May 20 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | s/Nokia/Jolla/ | May 20 01:43 |
| XRevan86 | fixed that for you | May 20 01:43 |
| MinceR | afaik the current nokia mobile has nothing to do with the one microsoft bought and buried | May 20 01:43 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The one made by Foxconn? | May 20 01:43 |
| MinceR | the one made by HMD Global, i guess | May 20 01:44 |
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| MinceR | if you mean the current one | May 20 01:44 |
| MinceR | i don't know who made the old ones | May 20 01:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Foxconn is manufacturing for them. | May 20 01:46 |
| MinceR | :( | May 20 01:46 |
| techrights-bot | #GNOMEFoundation moved on from being enveloped by companies that do not CARE about #freesw to shilling for those that actively ATTACK #softwareFreedom and they use the "G" in GNOME (GNU) to borrow credibility they do not deserve http://techrights.org/wiki/GNOME_Foundation | May 20 01:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNOME Foundation - Techrights | May 20 01:46 | |
| XRevan86 | some earlier phones were also designed by Foxconn, don't know about the current deal | May 20 01:46 |
| XRevan86 | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Nokia_9_Pureview_2.jpg | May 20 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | One day the phone cameras will start triggering tripophobia | May 20 01:48 |
| schestowitz__ | I read that as tripod-phobia | May 20 01:49 |
| schestowitz__ | fear from stable footage :-) | May 20 01:49 |
| XRevan86 | hah | May 20 01:49 |
| techrights-bot | Does #JimZemlin speak for you? For us? http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Jim-Zemlin-Open-Source-Loves-Microsoft.webm | May 20 01:51 |
| MinceR | :) | May 20 01:51 |
| techrights-bot | #ibm when it gave a damn about #gnu #linux "100% of the time" http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/linux-ibm.webm | May 20 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/PinePhone_Software_Releases "However, if your phone came preloaded with software, Please see PinePhone Updating Instructions" – that "if" reminded me of https://youtu.be/fCKMxzz9cjs?t=373 | May 20 01:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.pine64.org | PinePhone Software Releases - PINE64 | May 20 01:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-This $200 phone can do ANYTHING!!! - Pine64 Pinephone - YouTube | May 20 01:52 | |
| MinceR | https://i0.wp.com/www.adventurealan.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/light-L16-front.jpg?fit=1030%2C687 | May 20 01:52 |
| techrights-bot | #google : we spy on billions of people every minute of the day, but we find YOU unusual and suspicious. I think that's projection TBH. https://www.maketecheasier.com/solve-unusual-traffic-from-network-computer-google-error/ | May 20 01:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Solve "Unusual Traffic from Your Network Computer" Google Error - Make Tech Easier | May 20 01:53 | |
| baronhk[m]1 | https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9596523/Chicago-Mayor-Lori-Lightfoot-faces-backlash-giving-black-brown-reporters-interviews.html | May 20 01:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot faces backlash for only giving black and brown reporters interviews | Daily Mail Online | May 20 01:53 | |
| techrights-bot | #apple became (or always was) such a #religion / #cult that its followers or worship gatherers are supposed to think that "working from home" for THEM is something UNIQUE. What a joke. https://www.maketecheasier.com/best-mac-tips-for-working-from-home/ | May 20 01:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Best Mac Tips for Working from Home - Make Tech Easier | May 20 01:54 | |
| techrights-bot | "The popular uprising against the #neoliberal #austerity measures and political repression of the Duque government in #Colombia entered its fourth week today with the National Strike Committee announcing a new round of #strikes and mass marches." https://howiehawkins.us/statement-on-columbian-protests/ | May 20 01:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-howiehawkins.us | Statement on Columbian Protests | Howie Hawkins for our Future | May 20 01:56 | |
| schestowitz__ | baronhk[m]1: a bit o-t | May 20 01:56 |
| schestowitz__ | unless you want to start a whole fight over race | May 20 01:57 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: those still are more expensive than some decent PCs | May 20 01:57 |
| schestowitz__ | PCs that can do a lot more | May 20 01:57 |
| schestowitz__ | bar connecting to a network that tracks movement | May 20 01:57 |
| schestowitz__ | in exchange for little but receiving calls on the go | May 20 01:58 |
| techrights-bot | #microsoft vs #android using #swpats http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/swpats-the-tek.webm #patent #blackmail | May 20 01:59 |
| techrights-bot | #rms against #swpats at the #epo http://techrights.org/videos/rms-eu-part-2.ogg #patents #europe | May 20 02:00 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: Who? Pinephones? | May 20 02:00 |
| schestowitz__ | pinephones are cheaper | May 20 02:00 |
| schestowitz__ | but with patents and all not cheap enough | May 20 02:00 |
| schestowitz__ | those probably cost well under $50 to manufacture | May 20 02:00 |
| schestowitz__ | but they take licensed components | May 20 02:00 |
| schestowitz__ | that include lots of fees 'sorted' | May 20 02:01 |
| schestowitz__ | like DSPs and stuff | May 20 02:01 |
| schestowitz__ | a pinephone still costs more than my main laptop did | May 20 02:01 |
| schestowitz__ | and has a lot less in terms of capacity, ports etc. | May 20 02:01 |
| schestowitz__ | mine also comes with a large screen | May 20 02:02 |
| schestowitz__ | 1920px across | May 20 02:02 |
| baronhk[m]1 | It's nice to see that while gunfire erupts and the bodies are piling up twice as fast under Lightfoot as they have under any mayor since the 70s, she's retreated to a "fort" with round the clock protection from CPD and only gives interviews to minorities who did not get her elected. | May 20 02:02 |
| schestowitz__ | phones don't need much more than 320px across | May 20 02:02 |
| schestowitz__ | because you don't put them next to your eyes | May 20 02:02 |
| baronhk[m]1 | It's all of these white guilt people like mjg59 who put her in and now they get to watch the shitshow unfold. | May 20 02:02 |
| schestowitz__ | but it's o-t anyway | May 20 02:02 |
| MinceR | i certainly need a lot more than 320px across | May 20 02:02 |
| schestowitz__ | you take us in a direction that lets him dig dirt | May 20 02:03 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't be able to use my irc client on a screen so tiny | May 20 02:03 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: That is something only someone who hasn't used a touch-screen phone can say. | May 20 02:03 |
| schestowitz__ | MinceR: like a phine | May 20 02:03 |
| schestowitz__ | *phone | May 20 02:03 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: pinch to zoom can be done in low-res screens | May 20 02:03 |
| schestowitz__ | they just don't manufacture such units anymore | May 20 02:04 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: 320px is not about screen size necessarily, it could be about pixel density. | May 20 02:04 |
| schestowitz__ | dpi | May 20 02:04 |
| MinceR | well, let's see | May 20 02:04 |
| MinceR | an 8x8 font would be barely readable | May 20 02:04 |
| schestowitz__ | I don't need 300 pixels on an inch across | May 20 02:04 |
| MinceR | that leaves 40 columns and fewer rows | May 20 02:04 |
| schestowitz__ | I cannot even see that | May 20 02:04 |
| MinceR | i doubt my advanced windowlist would fit on a terminal so tiny | May 20 02:04 |
| schestowitz__ | like 200 fps | May 20 02:04 |
| MinceR | oh, schestowitz__ meant dot pitch, not total resolution | May 20 02:05 |
| schestowitz__ | MinceR: on a phone? | May 20 02:05 |
| MinceR | yes | May 20 02:05 |
| schestowitz__ | 5 inch? | May 20 02:05 |
| MinceR | i'll look up pixel densities | May 20 02:05 |
| schestowitz__ | some are crazy | May 20 02:06 |
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| schestowitz__ | like those cameras that make 10MB 'photos' | May 20 02:06 |
| schestowitz__ | that are mostly blur if you zoom in | May 20 02:06 |
| MinceR | most phone specs sites seem to be ignoring the pinephone | May 20 02:07 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: They know they can't compete with https://pine64.org/pinephone/ :) | May 20 02:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pine64.org | PINEPHONE | PINE64 | May 20 02:07 | |
| techrights-bot | Neelie Kroes on #microsoft http://techrights.org/videos/neelie-on-ms.ogg | May 20 02:08 |
| MinceR | they would be able to compete with it, if they calculated pixels per inch or something | May 20 02:08 |
| MinceR | it's too late for me to try and calculate that correctly | May 20 02:08 |
| XRevan86 | 271 DPI | May 20 02:08 |
| MinceR | well, it's sufficient, but i could use more | May 20 02:08 |
| *XRevan86 imagines schestowitz__ audibly gasping when reading that. | May 20 02:09 | |
| techrights-bot | Enlightenment 13 years ago, already better than #microsoft #windows http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/enlightenment.ogg #gnu #linux | May 20 02:10 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: if you hold a phone half a meter away from the high, you cannot see much of it | May 20 02:10 |
| schestowitz__ | imagine drawing lines between each of those pixels and the pupil | May 20 02:11 |
| *XRevan86 doesn't know anyone high | May 20 02:11 | |
| schestowitz__ | the photons overlap | May 20 02:11 |
| schestowitz__ | oops | May 20 02:11 |
| schestowitz__ | eye | May 20 02:11 |
| schestowitz__ | I was distracted | May 20 02:11 |
| schestowitz__ | wrote how it sounded | May 20 02:11 |
| MinceR | i can hold it closer to the eye :> | May 20 02:11 |
| MinceR | i often do :> | May 20 02:11 |
| XRevan86 | Those aren't even homophones… unless they are for you, oh. | May 20 02:11 |
| schestowitz__ | MinceR: then it's not so much of a phone | May 20 02:12 |
| schestowitz__ | it's just a telescope or microscope :-) | May 20 02:12 |
| MinceR | i wish it was that too | May 20 02:12 |
| MinceR | though with macro photography, it can sometimes help see details :> | May 20 02:12 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: Would ye spell it as "an high"? | May 20 02:13 |
| schestowitz__ | like binoculars | May 20 02:13 |
| schestowitz__ | no | May 20 02:13 |
| schestowitz__ | I was thinking of something else while typing | May 20 02:13 |
| XRevan86 | I mean "a" vs. "an" | May 20 02:13 |
| techrights-bot | #compiz nostalgia, 13 years ago http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/shelf-compiz.ogg #gnu #linux | May 20 02:14 |
| schestowitz__ | an eye | May 20 02:14 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▄▃▂▃▅▅▃▃▃▃▄▅▃▃▆▆▃▁▂▆▃▂▃▄▁▁▃▅▆▁▂▅▇▁ avg(k/sec) 17.41 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▄▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▂█▃▁▂█▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 44.76▕ swarm size (avg): 224.54 ⟲ | May 20 02:15 |
| schestowitz__ | e vowel, h not | May 20 02:15 |
| XRevan86 | there are h-omitting accents | May 20 02:15 |
| XRevan86 | where "high" and "eye" would actually sound the same way | May 20 02:16 |
| techrights-bot | #gnu turns 38 years this year. This is the 25th anniversary (I like the music) http://techrights.org/videos/happy-birthday-gnu.ogg | May 20 02:16 |
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| techrights-bot | "The latest version of Wind River Titanium Linux, developed by the Wind River technology protection and cybersecurity group Star Lab, offers a robust Linux system-hardening and security capability" https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2021/05/20/wind-river-studio-enhancements/ | May 20 02:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.helpnetsecurity.com | Wind River's enhancements deliver cybersecurity and anti-tamper protection - Help Net Security | May 20 02:18 | |
| XRevan86 | After the timetagged point that ShortCircuit's PinePhone is absolutely beautiful, because the presenter has somehow managed to make all the wrong choices. Love it. | May 20 02:20 |
| techrights-bot | #1Password is almost certainly paying the media, one way or another, for these #openwashing puff pieces painting #ProprietarySoftware as kind of "open" https://www.pcmag.com/news/1password-rolls-out-official-support-and-a-desktop-app-for-linux | May 20 02:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-1Password Rolls Out Official Support and a Desktop App for Linux | PCMag | May 20 02:21 | |
| XRevan86 | Did he honestly expect to figure out the problem using an external keyboard? If ye have a USB hub and a keyboard, it doesn't mean that ye have to use it. | May 20 02:24 |
| techrights-bot | Where is the #cancelGates petition at #microsoft #github h Where are those people who claim to care for justice? Attacking RMS? https://www.wired.com/story/opinion-the-world-loses-under-bill-gates-vaccine-colonialism/ | May 20 02:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The World Loses Under Bill Gates’ Vaccine Colonialism | WIRED | May 20 02:24 | |
| XRevan86 | Maybe they didn't have a microSD card… any microSD card. | May 20 02:25 |
| XRevan86 | 64M+ | May 20 02:25 |
| XRevan86 | "I think probably what I'm going to have to do is flash an operating system onto an SD card" | May 20 02:26 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Wow, Wired published this? | May 20 02:26 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Open season on Bill Gates. | May 20 02:26 |
| techrights-bot | The State Of #freeSW In #India ⇨ https://analyticsindiamag.com/the-state-of-open-source-ecosystem-in-india/ •●• Sadly, this ridiculous puff piece pretends that #ProprietarySoftware #github (i.e. #microsoft ) is like the father of everything. The opposite is true: http://techrights.org/2020/06/15/confessions-of-scott-guthrie/ | May 20 02:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-analyticsindiamag.com | The State Of Open-Source Ecosystem In India | May 20 02:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Story About Microsoft’s Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | Techrights | May 20 02:27 | |
| baronhk[m]1 | He's finally gone so far that no publicist in the world can save him now. | May 20 02:27 |
| XRevan86 | That's easy, plugging all that nonsense to phone and fruitlessly combing through the manual was harder. | May 20 02:27 |
| baronhk[m]1 | "Gates’ first foray began unexpectedly in 1999, on the heels of a failed Western crackdown on South Africa after it flouted AIDS medicine patents due to outrageous drug prices and a debilitating HIV outbreak." | May 20 02:28 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Yes, but the ANC is so fucking retarded that they actually put in active HIV/AIDS deniers. | May 20 02:28 |
| techrights-bot | #LockHimUp https://news.yahoo.com/york-attorney-general-says-trump-105935396.html | May 20 02:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.yahoo.com | New York attorney general says Trump probe is now criminal | May 20 02:28 | |
| baronhk[m]1 | Almost everyone in SA who is living with HIV/AIDS is black. | May 20 02:28 |
| baronhk[m]1 | While over a quarter of all SA citizens have it, only 0.3% of the white population has it. | May 20 02:28 |
| XRevan86 | baronhk[m]1: What's your point? | May 20 02:29 |
| baronhk[m]1 | So they want to distract from the fact that almost everyone who gets it is black by having a black president who denies it exists at all, and this as recently as a few years ago. | May 20 02:29 |
| baronhk[m]1 | More bullshit from a bullshit government who was smart enough to be terrorists but not enough to effectively govern a functioning country and have, in fact, brought one to its knees. | May 20 02:30 |
| baronhk[m]1 | The anti-white racism that brought down South Africa is playing out in Illinois too, especially Chicago, where the math is right to get someone like Lori Lightfoot. | May 20 02:30 |
| XRevan86 | them blacks and their aparthood | May 20 02:31 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Here though, it's mostly a LARGE WHITE MAJORITY that's just stupid enough to hand over the government and get a violent city that nobody wants to live in where everything is crumbling. | May 20 02:31 |
| XRevan86 | baronhk[m]1: I'm not an expert on South Africa but I thought that anti-white racism is by far not their first problem. | May 20 02:32 |
| baronhk[m]1 | It's a major problem. Brain drain, dude. | May 20 02:32 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Those who can get out are getting out. | May 20 02:32 |
| XRevan86 | where are they going? White Rus'? | May 20 02:32 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Those who had their property seized and banks still breathing down their necks are killing themselves, assuming the ANC-backed terrorists and criminals don't beat them to it. | May 20 02:33 |
| techrights-bot | The guy from the #ibm "LINUX" commercial http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/gnu-linux-metamorphosis.ogg | May 20 02:33 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Whites in SA are a holdover from Colonialism, but are not responsible for it, and ought to be afforded the rights of full citizenship, but they are not. | May 20 02:34 |
| baronhk[m]1 | They're lucky if they can own property and live, which is ironically the sort of apartheid that everyone in the world was sanctioning them for three decades ago when it was the other way around. | May 20 02:34 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Soon after the peaceful transition of power, the white minority was stripped of their rights, and now has their property seized and are unable to apply for jobs with the government or its contractors. | May 20 02:35 |
| baronhk[m]1 | So far, Lightfoot's overt anti-white racism has only gone so far as a complete lockout of white journalists who want to interview her, but it won't stop there. | May 20 02:36 |
| techrights-bot | #debian #gnu #linux as notable mention https://www.automationworld.com/factory/iiot/article/21440122/wago-corporation-5-things-to-consider-about-your-plant-floor-data-and-iiot | May 20 02:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.automationworld.com | 5 Things to Consider About Your Plant Floor Data and IIoT | Automation World | May 20 02:36 | |
| baronhk[m]1 | She's one of those folks who isn't smart enough to realize who pays the taxes, until they all leave. | May 20 02:36 |
| techrights-bot | *** 𝐈 𝐑 𝐂 𝐋 𝐈 𝐍 𝐊 𝐒 *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-190521.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-190521.txt Read the log now... | May 20 02:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 | May 20 02:37 | |
| baronhk[m]1 | The parts of the city that overwhelmingly supported her can barely keep a hair salon or a McDonalds open. | May 20 02:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 | May 20 02:38 | |
| baronhk[m]1 | The city puts parks there, but no parents let their kids out of the house to play in one because there'd be a drive-by shooting or something every day at any time. | May 20 02:38 |
| techrights-bot | #linux support for 24 monitors way back 12 years ago. #hardware support in this #kernel remains the world's best. http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Quake_3_on_24_Monitors.ogg | May 20 02:38 |
| baronhk[m]1 | I lived in South Chicago for an entire year, never once saw a child playing in the park the city built across the street. | May 20 02:38 |
| techrights-bot | 11 #GNULinux Distros That Still Support 32-Bit Architecture • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151380 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | May 20 02:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 11 Linux Distros That Still Support 32-Bit Architecture | Tux Machines | May 20 02:38 | |
| baronhk[m]1 | Nobody figured it was safe enough to go outside for a walk. | May 20 02:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 | May 20 02:39 | |
| baronhk[m]1 | Control of those areas goes to people packing illegal guns that were never in the FOID system. | May 20 02:39 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Mostly people who are under 18, also, which is additionally illegal. | May 20 02:39 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Criminals don't follow the law. News flash! | May 20 02:39 |
| techrights-bot | Racist companies like #ibm merely coopted #blm for marketing https://news.yahoo.com/corporations-made-diversity-changes-wake-192202443.html see e.g. http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/ibm-powered-purges/ | May 20 02:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.yahoo.com | How corporations have made diversity changes in the wake of BLM protests | May 20 02:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Full Story (With References) of IBM’s Role in a Purge of Black People and Mixed-Race Couples | Techrights | May 20 02:39 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 | May 20 02:40 | |
| techrights-bot | How #gnu #linux helps the #environment http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/linux-recycle.ogg | May 20 02:40 |
| baronhk[m]1 | You're not allowed to have a handgun if you're under 21, or a convicted felon, or the subject of a restraining order. That's all at the FEDERAL level, before the state even gets involved. | May 20 02:40 |
| baronhk[m]1 | So that all applies even in a red state. | May 20 02:40 |
| techrights-bot | *** 𝐁𝐔𝐋𝐋𝐄𝐓𝐈𝐍 *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-05-19.txt | May 20 02:42 |
| techrights-bot | We had a chat with the owner of #freenode (to appear in next day's log) http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-190521.html#tMay%2019%2023:58:55 | May 20 02:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 | May 20 02:42 | |
| baronhk[m]1 | Then, additionally, in Illinois, to legally buy, sell, or possess a gun or ammunition for one, you have to be in possession of a FOID card, which is a form of ID that is issued by the state police after they do their own background check, and they only issue them to people in compliance with everything I just mentioned and have not been deemed mentally ill to the point where they were voluntarily or involuntarily | May 20 02:42 |
| baronhk[m]1 | committed for psychiatric treatment within the last 5 years. | May 20 02:42 |
| baronhk[m]1 | So, how is it that every nasty little gangbanger in Chicago, from the time the training wheels come off their bicycle, has a handgun? | May 20 02:43 |
| baronhk[m]1 | We must need another law. :) | May 20 02:43 |
| baronhk[m]1 | If they get caught, Kimm Foxx either negotiates it down to nothing or drops the charges. They're back out to rape and rob again in under a day, often with no cash bail. Certainly after no cash bail when that becomes the law in two years. | May 20 02:44 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Anti-white racism just means if you're white and innocently forget to renew your FOID on time, watch your cornhole in prison, pal. | May 20 02:45 |
| techrights-bot | Old: #swpats in #nz and why the country rejected #softwarePatents http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/NZ_Patent_Bill__Software_Patents_.ogg more context: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Software_Patents_in_New_Zealand | May 20 02:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software Patents in New Zealand - Techrights | May 20 02:45 | |
| schestowitz__ | rasengan: https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7ev8y/freenode-open-source-korea-crown-prince-takeover | May 20 02:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vice.com | Developers Flee Open Source Project After ‘Takeover’ By Korean Crown Prince | May 20 02:45 | |
| schestowitz__ | same publisher that rallies a mob against RMS | May 20 02:45 |
| baronhk[m]1 | This is what people bashing Techrights and RMS are, and what I'm getting at. | May 20 02:45 |
| baronhk[m]1 | They condemn racism, but never against white people. | May 20 02:46 |
| baronhk[m]1 | So they're actually fine with racism, just as long as it's drumming white conservatives out of college, putting well meaning white gun owners in prison, and marching men off to domestic violence re-education camp because their wife went and tossed that into the divorce to help win custody and more money. | May 20 02:47 |
| superkuh | Earlier in here it was mentioned that some of the staff of libera signed the RMS letter. Is there a list? A link? | May 20 02:47 |
| baronhk[m]1 | That last one is actually not racist, it's just a general prejudice against men. | May 20 02:47 |
| baronhk[m]1 | The idea that men deserve to suffer because in the past they were presumably running things. | May 20 02:47 |
| schestowitz__ | is Christel Dahlskjaer connected to lilo? | May 20 02:48 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Wages didn't just fall flat in the developed world because of globalization. | May 20 02:48 |
| baronhk[m]1 | They fell flat around the time women really started to enter the workforce in droves. | May 20 02:48 |
| schestowitz__ | I am still trying to wrap my hand around history of network ownership | May 20 02:49 |
| baronhk[m]1 | More labor means lower wages, regardless of why. | May 20 02:49 |
| schestowitz__ | they pay people less | May 20 02:50 |
| baronhk[m]1 | If the culture went back to one earner and one person tends the house and raises the children, then wages would necessarily rise. | May 20 02:50 |
| schestowitz__ | so both people need to work | May 20 02:50 |
| schestowitz__ | for the same household income | May 20 02:50 |
| schestowitz__ | in the past, less need for nurseries | May 20 02:50 |
| schestowitz__ | the mother would look after the kids | May 20 02:50 |
| schestowitz__ | and now they wonder why many couples won't have kids | May 20 02:50 |
| baronhk[m]1 | It's a time and money problem. | May 20 02:51 |
| baronhk[m]1 | No matter how you solve it, you rob Peter to pay Paul, and people are wise to it now. | May 20 02:51 |
| techrights-bot | 'Free' as in free strings, not free OF strings. We need to explain #softwareFreedom to people so that they don't fall into 'free' bear traps like these. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/story/2021-05-19/free-software-for-small-businesses-mission-valley-startup-gosite-partners-with-edc-for-giveaway | May 20 02:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sandiegouniontribune.com | Free software for small businesses: Mission Valley startup GoSite partners with EDC for giveaway - The San Diego Union-Tribune | May 20 02:52 | |
| baronhk[m]1 | There's not just a baby bust going on in the US, it's a population collapse that will leave us with a lot of old people with not much that came after them. | May 20 02:53 |
| baronhk[m]1 | If we don't turn on immigration or start making life livable for people who have kids, we're finished. | May 20 02:53 |
| schestowitz__ | that's BS | May 20 02:53 |
| schestowitz__ | the "aging population" BS | May 20 02:53 |
| baronhk[m]1 | People are angry at this $300 a month per child scheme of Biden's. | May 20 02:54 |
| schestowitz__ | they try to shame countries like japan, korea and singapore | May 20 02:54 |
| baronhk[m]1 | It's being viewed by most as immoral. | May 20 02:54 |
| schestowitz__ | which could benefit from lowering population densities anyway | May 20 02:54 |
| schestowitz__ | in there's a labour shortage in care, they can bring some workers from abroad | May 20 02:54 |
| baronhk[m]1 | A welfare state doesn't work when there's nobody paying in. | May 20 02:54 |
| schestowitz__ | anyway, it's off topic | May 20 02:54 |
| baronhk[m]1 | So our problem isn't running out of space. It's no tax base. | May 20 02:54 |
| schestowitz__ | can you stop throwing us in this direction? | May 20 02:55 |
| schestowitz__ | OK, I've cleaned my RSS feeds | May 20 02:55 |
| schestowitz__ | I think I can now work on some analytical article about freenode, gonna grab some coffee first | May 20 02:55 |
| kingoffrance | whats all this data ppl are worried about? freenode has my ip, my username, and a one-time password not used anywhere else | May 20 02:55 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Well, I was getting somewhere with this. | May 20 02:55 |
| kingoffrance | sure, like anything else, that could be "coordinated" | May 20 02:56 |
| baronhk[m]1 | What they're really concerned with is that people will see the Democrats throwing the money at people. | May 20 02:56 |
| MinceR | 20 034722 < superkuh> Earlier in here it was mentioned that some of the staff of libera signed the RMS letter. Is there a list? A link? | May 20 02:56 |
| schestowitz__ | kingoffrance: yeah, never bothered me, I never assumed privacy in private IRC networks | May 20 02:56 |
| kingoffrance | but where is the "data" people are worried about? | May 20 02:56 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: And your email address? | May 20 02:56 |
| kingoffrance | if i wanted to be hidden i would :) | May 20 02:56 |
| baronhk[m]1 | They didn't speak up when it was trillions going to tech companies who already deducted to less than zero tax. | May 20 02:56 |
| kingoffrance | and ppl shouldnt blindly trust ips anyway | May 20 02:56 |
| MinceR | you can get a list of staffers with /who freenode/staff/* | May 20 02:56 |
| MinceR | you might get a more complete list if you're on #freenode when you do it | May 20 02:57 |
| MinceR | same thing works on libera, with libera instead of freenode | May 20 02:57 |
| schestowitz__ | [02:57] [Raw] /who freenode/staff/* | May 20 02:57 |
| schestowitz__ | [02:57] [Error] /who: Unknown command. | May 20 02:57 |
| schestowitz__ | [02:57] [Who] rasengan is ~rasengan@freenode/staff/rasengan (rasengan) | May 20 02:57 |
| MinceR | OFTC lists their staff at https://www.oftc.net/staff/ | May 20 02:57 |
| schestowitz__ | [02:57] [Who] End of /WHO list for freenode/staff/* | May 20 02:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oftc.net | OFTC - Staff | May 20 02:57 | |
| schestowitz__ | only one? | May 20 02:57 |
| MinceR | and you can find the signatories at https://rms-open-letter.github.io/ | May 20 02:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An open letter to remove Richard M. Stallman from all leadership positions | rms-open-letter.github.io | May 20 02:57 | |
| schestowitz__ | OFTC censors I heard, as does freenode | May 20 02:57 |
| MinceR | well, maybe the others have left already | May 20 02:57 |
| MinceR | or deopered | May 20 02:57 |
| schestowitz__ | probably | May 20 02:57 |
| kingoffrance | XRevan86, sure, but even if that is more difficult nowadays, not like it is impossible to find some "free" email service | May 20 02:57 |
| MinceR | hm, so you might not have a list | May 20 02:58 |
| schestowitz__ | understandable given this climate | May 20 02:58 |
| MinceR | i can pastebin what i got earlier | May 20 02:58 |
| schestowitz__ | chance for mischief | May 20 02:58 |
| baronhk[m]1 | nerdsin.space doesn't censor. They aren't big enough to be on anyone's radar. | May 20 02:58 |
| schestowitz__ | they can go offline any time.. | May 20 02:58 |
| superkuh | MinceR, I would appreciate that if it is not too much trouble. | May 20 02:59 |
| schestowitz__ | like all the instances of fediverse stuff I was on | May 20 02:59 |
| schestowitz__ | you choose a "Small(er)" space and then it just turns off the lights | May 20 02:59 |
| schestowitz__ | I got some emails from former admins | May 20 03:00 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Matrix dot org has become super sketchy about banning people. | May 20 03:00 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Also rooms. | May 20 03:00 |
| kingoffrance | irc (freenode included) isnt making you plug in a usb "smart code" yet | May 20 03:00 |
| baronhk[m]1 | They got MUCH worse after Google agreed to let them back into the Play Store. | May 20 03:00 |
| kingoffrance | *card | May 20 03:00 |
| kingoffrance | they only have what you give them | May 20 03:00 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Google tossed Element out because it said "Formerly Riot IM". | May 20 03:01 |
| techrights-bot | Does anyone remember Topaz in #gnu #linux h 2019: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/topaz.ogv | May 20 03:01 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Google said "referencing riots". | May 20 03:01 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Also, "lack of moderation". | May 20 03:01 |
| kingoffrance | XRevan86, really i wish someone'd revive that http://invisibleip.sourceforge.net/iip/index.php :) | May 20 03:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invisibleip.sourceforge.net | Invisible IRC Project | May 20 03:01 | |
| MinceR | superkuh: https://hatebin.com/rajthqeuaq | May 20 03:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hatebin | May 20 03:01 | |
| superkuh | Thank you. | May 20 03:02 |
| MinceR | np | May 20 03:02 |
| baronhk[m]1 | So they have a bunch of SJW mods going in and deleting half their potential users because they don't want them there anyway. | May 20 03:03 |
| techrights-bot | This list has been reduced to just one person. https://hatebin.com/rajthqeuaq #freenode | May 20 03:03 |
| superkuh | Yeah, It looks like just nhandler. | May 20 03:03 |
| schestowitz__ | rasengan: why is tomaw not listed anymore? | May 20 03:03 |
| MinceR | there's also jose | May 20 03:03 |
| superkuh | I couldn't find jose on the letter. | May 20 03:04 |
| MinceR | if you mean the ones signing the anti-RMS letter | May 20 03:04 |
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| MinceR | maybe because of the accent | May 20 03:04 |
| MinceR | José Antonio Rey (Ubuntu Community Council, freenode Staff) | May 20 03:04 |
| MinceR | number 1540 | May 20 03:04 |
| schestowitz__ | is there any SUBSTANTIAL allegation against rasengan? I've seen low-quality allusions... | May 20 03:04 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joseeantonior.wordpress.com/2021/05/19/freenode-changes-owners-jose-resigns-as-staff/ | May 20 03:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joseeantonior.wordpress.com | freenode changes owners, jose resigns as staff. | joseeantonior | May 20 03:05 | |
| schestowitz__ | "I recently celebrated my 10-year anniversary of having an account in freenode. I have a lot of fond memories, met a lot of amazing people in that period of time." | May 20 03:05 |
| techrights-ipfs | QmURPdsG2w9HFAAQw7x6jrfds2W6h2f6J8zQattoNsHp3K | May 20 03:05 |
| schestowitz__ | "As a result, Mr Lee now has operational control over the freenode IRC network. I cannot stand by such a (hostile?) corporate takeover of the freenode network, and I am resigning as a staff volunteer along with most other freenode staff." | May 20 03:05 |
| schestowitz__ | Does this allude to adding a logo to the site for his bother's company (Shells) that sent in money? >> "We simply do not feel that the network now remains independent after two heads of staff appear to have been compelled to make changes to our git repo for the website[4]." | May 20 03:06 |
| schestowitz__ | if it all boils down to objection to adding a logo/plug to the site, then it's a low-quality grievance | May 20 03:06 |
| schestowitz__ | hardly a major scandal | May 20 03:06 |
| schestowitz__ | IIRC, someone then tried to lock him out of the domain | May 20 03:07 |
| schestowitz__ | so he then lawyered up | May 20 03:07 |
| schestowitz__ | so there were admins using technical means against legal grounds | May 20 03:07 |
| schestowitz__ | and was this all over a logo? Or more than this? | May 20 03:07 |
| schestowitz__ | I am writing about this in a moment, so any clarifications from rasengan or others would help | May 20 03:08 |
| *XRevan86 wants to know too. | May 20 03:08 | |
| schestowitz__ | Shells does not interest me | May 20 03:08 |
| schestowitz__ | but it's not malicious | May 20 03:08 |
| schestowitz__ | the intention is good | May 20 03:08 |
| schestowitz__ | I think the product sucks, personally... | May 20 03:08 |
| schestowitz__ | and they got many media plugs, maybe owing to money | May 20 03:08 |
| schestowitz__ | afaik, Shells uses Free software but it's sort of "software substitute" (saas) | May 20 03:09 |
| schestowitz__ | bbiab, need coffee and to think about this, but I still don't know some key facts | May 20 03:09 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: Ye might want to ask around in #libera too, I suspect that they'll be more than happy to share their perspective. | May 20 03:10 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe I should upgrade the bot to also include gemini URLs for IRC logs | May 20 03:11 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: I will try | May 20 03:11 |
| XRevan86 | https://swantzter.se/freenode-resignation/ "Around the time freenode Ltd announced their own “head of infrastructure” in #freenode, representatives of freenode Ltd messaged me and other staff personally demanding the hand over of access to any and all freenode infra." | May 20 03:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-swantzter.se | freenode resignation | Swantzter | May 20 03:12 | |
| *dragestil (~quassel@fsf/member/dragestil) has joined #techrights | May 20 03:12 | |
| XRevan86 | on how involved the take-over actually is | May 20 03:13 |
| schestowitz__ | [03:12] <schestowitz__> hi, I am preparing a long article about the situation, I need clarifications | May 20 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | [03:12] <schestowitz__> what were the changes requested for the freenode site/repo? | May 20 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | [03:12] <ptx0> just so you know (i made the same mistake) this is freenode's #libera so the people you're wanting to ask, aren't here | May 20 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | [03:12] <ptx0> probably forgot to hit ^X in irssi | May 20 03:16 |
| schestowitz__ | [03:15] <schestowitz__> makes sense | May 20 03:16 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: Not on Freenode of course :) | May 20 03:17 |
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| schestowitz__ | yeah | May 20 03:17 |
| schestowitz__ | well, | May 20 03:17 |
| schestowitz__ | that's one reason moving off freenode would cause issues | May 20 03:17 |
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| schestowitz__ | so better to reach some sort of amicable settlement, to avoid projects descending into chaos and miscommunication | May 20 03:17 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: Ye don't have to register (at least yet anyway). | May 20 03:18 |
| schestowitz__ | ok.. | May 20 03:18 |
| schestowitz__ | I will let you pass though a draft soon | May 20 03:19 |
| schestowitz__ | to see if that makes sense | May 20 03:19 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: I'm not an expert on the situation for sure, albeit I am interested and maybe will know more later. | May 20 03:19 |
| schestowitz__ | [07:28] <schestowitz__> https://fuchsnet.ch/privat/fn-resign-letter.txt | May 20 03:20 |
| schestowitz__ | [07:28] <schestowitz__> [07:22] <schestowitz__> reading | May 20 03:20 |
| schestowitz__ | [07:28] <schestowitz__> [07:24] <schestowitz__> OK, so it really is PIA | May 20 03:20 |
| schestowitz__ | [07:28] <schestowitz__> [07:24] <schestowitz__> someone told me this years ago | May 20 03:20 |
| schestowitz__ | [07:28] <schestowitz__> [07:24] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx yes, me. | May 20 03:20 |
| schestowitz__ | [07:28] <schestowitz__> [07:25] <schestowitz__> it does not say if this is a privacy or a censorship issue | May 20 03:20 |
| schestowitz__ | [07:28] <schestowitz__> [07:26] <schestowitz__> I was recently told they were censoring some users because of their Debian derivs being created http://techrights.org/2021/05/08/communication-channels-cancel-mobbed/ | May 20 03:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Pro-Software Freedom Advocates and Free/Libre Software Supporters Face Barriers Due to Domination of Communication Channels (Beyond the Media) | Techrights | May 20 03:20 | |
| schestowitz__ | of note | May 20 03:20 |
| schestowitz__ | 1) some staff are in anti-RMS letter | May 20 03:20 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: Also check it with superkuh | May 20 03:20 |
| schestowitz__ | 2) some freenode staff (not anymore) did politically or commercially motivated censorship | May 20 03:20 |
| schestowitz__ | so such stuff I am less sympathetic towards... | May 20 03:21 |
| schestowitz__ | *staff | May 20 03:21 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: Keep in mind that Ariadne is also in that letter. Different people have different motives. | May 20 03:21 |
| XRevan86 | Even if we both disagree. | May 20 03:21 |
| superkuh | It looked to me that nhandler was the only one. At least the only one I could find. But maybe I just couldn't ctrl-f right. | May 20 03:21 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: she wants to be removed from the letter | May 20 03:22 |
| schestowitz__ | but did not bother asking, becoming more visible | May 20 03:22 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: Really? That's a change… | May 20 03:23 |
| schestowitz__ | 22 days ago | May 20 03:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Git stats | May 20 03:23 |
| schestowitz__ | https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io | May 20 03:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io | May 20 03:23 | |
| schestowitz__ | no update in 3+ weeks | May 20 03:23 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: I think we helped convince her | May 20 03:24 |
| MinceR | schestowitz__: how do you know she wants to be removed? | May 20 03:24 |
| schestowitz__ | but it took some effort | May 20 03:24 |
| XRevan86 | When I was asking her about the letter here she was very annoyed. | May 20 03:24 |
| schestowitz__ | MinceR: told me several times | May 20 03:24 |
| MinceR | ic | May 20 03:24 |
| schestowitz__ | even days ago | May 20 03:24 |
| XRevan86 | well, that's a nice change | May 20 03:24 |
| schestowitz__ | it then makes you more visible e.g. https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io/pull/2564 | May 20 03:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Revert "add signature" by ehashman · Pull Request #2564 · rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io · GitHub | May 20 03:24 | |
| MinceR | reverting makes you more visible? | May 20 03:25 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: But my point stands even then, because how can ye cross-reference with the list if the list is untrustworthy? | May 20 03:25 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yes, it does. | May 20 03:25 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Compare Fedilab and AndStatus. | May 20 03:25 |
| MinceR | i'd say it's a good kind of visibility | May 20 03:25 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Both don't have a fediverse instance blacklist | May 20 03:25 |
| MinceR | better than just having signed it, anyway | May 20 03:25 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But one is constantly being attacked and the other isn't. | May 20 03:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Guess the difference between them. | May 20 03:26 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | May 20 03:27 |
| XRevan86 | Fedilab added the blacklist and then soon reverted it. | May 20 03:27 |
| MinceR | ic | May 20 03:27 |
| MinceR | well, it isn't possible to remove the signature without a commit that does so, if you don't have a time machine, is it? | May 20 03:28 |
| schestowitz__ | she told me, "i think andrew has good intentions, but who knows" | May 20 03:28 |
| schestowitz__ | remember: | May 20 03:28 |
| schestowitz__ | she wrote some of ircd or x | May 20 03:28 |
| MinceR | charybdis | May 20 03:28 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Correct. | May 20 03:28 |
| schestowitz__ | " | May 20 03:30 |
| schestowitz__ | 8. Rather than wait until we speak again, Tomaw turns around and | May 20 03:30 |
| schestowitz__ | changes up the staff and website. | May 20 03:30 |
| schestowitz__ | " | May 20 03:30 |
| schestowitz__ | ah, that explains why tomaw isn't listed as staff now | May 20 03:30 |
| XRevan86 | There's a road that's paved with good intentions. | May 20 03:31 |
| MinceR | is it a highway? | May 20 03:31 |
| schestowitz__ | " | May 20 03:31 |
| schestowitz__ | Given the millions I have injected into freenode thus far, the fact | May 20 03:31 |
| schestowitz__ | I own it and the fact that I protected the freenode staff with | May 20 03:31 |
| schestowitz__ | professional legal work and funding when they needed help and they | May 20 03:31 |
| schestowitz__ | could still lie and slander like this... says a lot about who they | May 20 03:31 |
| schestowitz__ | are. It saddens me that christel was forced out, and I wish she'd | May 20 03:31 |
| schestowitz__ | feel safe returning. I'm frustrated that tomaw's hostile takeover | May 20 03:31 |
| schestowitz__ | seems likely to succeed, in spite of all. I simply want freenode | May 20 03:31 |
| XRevan86 | It leads to the Microsoft HQ, IIRC. | May 20 03:31 |
| schestowitz__ | to keep on being a great IRC network, and to support it financially | May 20 03:31 |
| schestowitz__ | and legally as I have for a long time now. | May 20 03:31 |
| schestowitz__ | " | May 20 03:31 |
| MinceR | :> | May 20 03:31 |
| schestowitz__ | sounds like cat-herding | May 20 03:31 |
| schestowitz__ | #MinceRWasRight | May 20 03:32 |
| schestowitz__ | Humans... can't trust them either | May 20 03:32 |
| schestowitz__ | let alone corporations | May 20 03:32 |
| schestowitz__ | I trust very few people with techrights | May 20 03:33 |
| schestowitz__ | FSF was always submerged from the inside | May 20 03:33 |
| schestowitz__ | the anti-RMS clique | May 20 03:33 |
| schestowitz__ | they got rid of it | May 20 03:33 |
| XRevan86 | > Christel Dahlskjaer, the former head of Freenode's staff who transferred her interest in Freenode Limited to Lee, resigned in March. Dahlskjaer, with the help of Richard “RichiH” Hartmann, took over Freenode after project originator Rob Levin (lilo) died in a traffic accident in 2006 and Levin’s brother tried to turn the project into business. She was an employee of PIA at the time of the Free | May 20 03:33 |
| XRevan86 | node Limited transaction. | May 20 03:33 |
| XRevan86 | https://theregister.com/2021/05/19/freenode_staff_resigns/ | May 20 03:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Freenode IRC staff resign en masse, unhappy about new management • The Register | May 20 03:33 | |
| schestowitz__ | I think that writeup from rasengan helps answer some of the questions I raised earlier | May 20 03:33 |
| XRevan86 | popped up when I looked up her name | May 20 03:33 |
| schestowitz__ | thanks | May 20 03:34 |
| schestowitz__ | I've just yet typed a sentence, lots to understand first | May 20 03:34 |
| schestowitz__ | [11:00] <xxxxxxx> FYI andrew lee has seized operational control of freenode | May 20 03:35 |
| schestowitz__ | [11:00] <xxxxx> xxxxx is leaving | May 20 03:35 |
| schestowitz__ | [11:09] <schestowitz__> have more admins of feeenode resigned? I hope some stay onboard, I don't want the network to perish. | May 20 03:35 |
| schestowitz__ | [11:09] <xxxxx> bruh | May 20 03:35 |
| schestowitz__ | [11:09] <xxxxx> the network is already dead | May 20 03:35 |
| schestowitz__ | [11:09] <xxxxxx> if you think the people who make freenode great are going to stick around and play in andrew lee's sandbox... i have bad news | May 20 03:35 |
| schestowitz__ | Gentoo is on the fence | May 20 03:35 |
| XRevan86 | > "I was a first-hand observer to her departure," Jones wrote. "This is entirely false. She left us with a 14-paragraph e-mail about it, and signed off with us on good terms at the time." | May 20 03:35 |
| schestowitz__ | I think there is mob mentality here | May 20 03:36 |
| schestowitz__ | "ritual mob" | May 20 03:36 |
| schestowitz__ | and it's hardly to respond to at scale | May 20 03:36 |
| XRevan86 | > It's been suggested that Dahlskjaer, just prior to her departure, supported adding a Shells.com affiliate link to Freenode's website, steering affiliate ad revenue to a company co-founded by Lee, and that other Freenode staffers disagreed with that decision. | May 20 03:36 |
| schestowitz__ | "It's been suggested that Dahlskjaer, just prior to her departure, supported adding a Shells.com affiliate link to Freenode's website, steering affiliate ad revenue to a company co-founded by Lee, and that other Freenode staffers disagreed with that decision." | May 20 03:37 |
| schestowitz__ | I see not much wrong with this | May 20 03:37 |
| schestowitz__ | lol | May 20 03:37 |
| schestowitz__ | we quoted the same part | May 20 03:37 |
| schestowitz__ | at the same time, a min apart | May 20 03:37 |
| schestowitz__ | yes, I noticed that too | May 20 03:37 |
| schestowitz__ | so seems like inflation and exaggeration | May 20 03:37 |
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| schestowitz__ | so the owner of the network wanted to promote his brother's business | May 20 03:37 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: rasengan's response to The Register is also interesting. | May 20 03:37 |
| schestowitz__ | which sort of promotes gnu/linux anyway | May 20 03:37 |
| XRevan86 | It has bits that he hasn't said in the paste nor here. | May 20 03:38 |
| schestowitz__ | "Lee however said that claims by some departing staffers about the Shells links are incorrect. "I have had logos for my companies on Freenode since 2013, and the staff was absolutely in approval of it," he said." | May 20 03:38 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: Conflict of Interest is a thing however. | May 20 03:38 |
| schestowitz__ | "The departures come at a difficult time for Freenode, one of the few IRC networks to have survived so long. The former Freenode staffer said that while the network managed to thrive over the years as other IRC communities lost users, it's no longer growing because recently chat services like Slack and Discord have hurt Freenode participation." | May 20 03:39 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: well, I would not describe that as such because: | May 20 03:39 |
| schestowitz__ | some of the money to keep it going came from the family | May 20 03:39 |
| schestowitz__ | and if I supported something and asked for some logo to be added because of my donation, I would not call it "Conflict of Interest" | May 20 03:40 |
| schestowitz__ | He DID in fact give resources to the network | May 20 03:40 |
| schestowitz__ | long enjoyed by us | May 20 03:40 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: Open https://freenode.net/ | May 20 03:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | freenode | May 20 03:40 | |
| schestowitz__ | ""Freenode is back in control of Freenode Limited, where it always was," he said. "In the end, what's most important to everyone is the survival of Freenode and the FOSS community – and I think since that's where we are all aligned, it will survive."" | May 20 03:40 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: The Shells logo is as significant as the Freenode's logo. | May 20 03:41 |
| schestowitz__ | I just did | May 20 03:41 |
| schestowitz__ | I see the Shells logo | May 20 03:41 |
| schestowitz__ | I see | May 20 03:41 |
| XRevan86 | I also didn't understand and they I saw. | May 20 03:41 |
| XRevan86 | * then | May 20 03:41 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.shells.com/l/en-US/?_a=TILzLQ | May 20 03:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.shells.com | NO TITLE | May 20 03:41 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Featured on Linux Journal" | May 20 03:41 |
| schestowitz__ | which PIA owned | May 20 03:41 |
| schestowitz__ | like bought articles as endorsements | May 20 03:42 |
| schestowitz__ | but still | May 20 03:42 |
| schestowitz__ | they're not evil (Shells) | May 20 03:42 |
| schestowitz__ | so like I said, it's over-inflated, the accusations | May 20 03:42 |
| schestowitz__ | it's not like he asked freenode users to start paying | May 20 03:42 |
| schestowitz__ | or sold data (AFAIK) | May 20 03:42 |
| schestowitz__ | we have better trees to bark up | May 20 03:43 |
| schestowitz__ | Shells I've mostly ignored | May 20 03:43 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: One of the thing to ask of the Libera people is what they think about the rasengan's response to The Register, I think it's well-worded. | May 20 03:43 |
| schestowitz__ | because it smelled like paid-for fluff in 'Linux' sites | May 20 03:43 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: it is | May 20 03:43 |
| schestowitz__ | tbh, it's easy to get upset at the richer person | May 20 03:44 |
| XRevan86 | the part I want to quote is too big, so I don't | May 20 03:44 |
| schestowitz__ | but it seems like he wants to help Free software | May 20 03:44 |
| schestowitz__ | even conill told me so | May 20 03:44 |
| schestowitz__ | but not objects to freenode | May 20 03:44 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: no need, it's already in a link shared here | May 20 03:44 |
| schestowitz__ | but anyway, we need to orientate ourselves around what is right and just | May 20 03:45 |
| schestowitz__ | before writing about it | May 20 03:45 |
| schestowitz__ | to avoid "mea culpa" later | May 20 03:45 |
| XRevan86 | > However, immediately after this, my access to the domain account was revoked. As such, I began to request access back to no avail, which some former staffers perceived as me attempting to make a hostile takeover. | May 20 03:45 |
| XRevan86 | I think this is the good part. | May 20 03:45 |
| schestowitz__ | doing a copypasta of quotes is easy | May 20 03:45 |
| schestowitz__ | but learning who is right and wrong, like a court would, takes ages | May 20 03:45 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: thanks | May 20 03:46 |
| schestowitz__ | I've mostly sided with Lee from the start based on instincts | May 20 03:46 |
| schestowitz__ | and it looks like it was mostly correct after reading both sides' arguments | May 20 03:46 |
| schestowitz__ | were freenode staff paid? | May 20 03:46 |
| schestowitz__ | if not, then defecting is way too easy morally | May 20 03:47 |
| schestowitz__ | without risk to the bottom line | May 20 03:47 |
| kingoffrance | lol | May 20 03:47 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: They weren't employed at all. | May 20 03:47 |
| schestowitz__ | I am guessing only the more senior people were compensated | May 20 03:47 |
| kingoffrance | i think that is probably true but not gonna go over well schestowitz__ | May 20 03:47 |
| schestowitz__ | (financially) | May 20 03:47 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: None of them. | May 20 03:47 |
| schestowitz__ | right, so... | May 20 03:47 |
| schestowitz__ | for them to make their own network | May 20 03:47 |
| schestowitz__ | and mass-endorse it | May 20 03:47 |
| schestowitz__ | would entail no financial harm | May 20 03:48 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: Partially true. | May 20 03:48 |
| schestowitz__ | it's convenient, isn't it? | May 20 03:48 |
| schestowitz__ | Like someone rage-quitting here in IRC and then badmouthing us | May 20 03:48 |
| XRevan86 | Nothing about starting over is convinient. | May 20 03:48 |
| schestowitz__ | and then starting some anti-Techrights site | May 20 03:48 |
| schestowitz__ | like some did before, except they were always against us | May 20 03:49 |
| schestowitz__ | "boycott-boycottnovell", "techrights watch" etc. | May 20 03:49 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: well, they felt they lost control | May 20 03:49 |
| schestowitz__ | that was the least they had | May 20 03:49 |
| schestowitz__ | if no salary | May 20 03:49 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: "I've mostly sided with Lee from the start based on instincts" – for me it was the opposite, because when there's a mass-exodus of all the people that actually make the thing happen then it's probably for a good reason. | May 20 03:49 |
| schestowitz__ | not all did | May 20 03:50 |
| schestowitz__ | some did | May 20 03:50 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: It's more like if ye had left. | May 20 03:50 |
| schestowitz__ | later some people joined them | May 20 03:50 |
| schestowitz__ | because they thought they had gathered momentum | May 20 03:50 |
| schestowitz__ | it's like a union | May 20 03:50 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: I'm only looking at the staff of course. | May 20 03:51 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: It's not opportunist to *resign*. | May 20 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | staff as in volunteers | May 20 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | so the volunteers no longer wish to vounteer | May 20 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | and that's what it's about... | May 20 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: I didn't say opportunistic | May 20 03:51 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: staff as in the people who have been keeping the network operational. | May 20 03:51 |
| schestowitz__ | yeah, but staff is misnomber | May 20 03:52 |
| schestowitz__ | *misnomer | May 20 03:52 |
| schestowitz__ | nobody here is staff | May 20 03:52 |
| schestowitz__ | we're all people | May 20 03:52 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: Initially there was no company. Apparently it was created to manage the Freenode Live event. | May 20 03:52 |
| XRevan86 | but the network somehow existed | May 20 03:53 |
| schestowitz__ | [11:21] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx like i said, i think andrew should donate freenode to like | May 20 03:53 |
| schestowitz__ | [11:21] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx FSF | May 20 03:53 |
| schestowitz__ | [11:21] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx or LF | May 20 03:53 |
| schestowitz__ | [11:21] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx or SFC | May 20 03:53 |
| schestowitz__ | [11:21] <schestowitz__> I reached out PIA's Rick (PP Founder) when LJ was up in the air | May 20 03:53 |
| schestowitz__ | [11:21] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx or something | May 20 03:53 |
| schestowitz__ | [11:21] <schestowitz__> he doesn't think too highly of LTM, IIRC | May 20 03:53 |
| schestowitz__ | [11:22] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx there are plenty of options | May 20 03:53 |
| schestowitz__ | [11:22] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx that are better than ... whatever this is | May 20 03:53 |
| schestowitz__ | [11:23] <schestowitz__> I might do a quick video about this, constructively | May 20 03:53 |
| MinceR | afaik the "staff" term comes from their silly insistence on freenode being "not IRC" | May 20 03:53 |
| schestowitz__ | [11:23] <schestowitz__> I am not new to IRC | May 20 03:53 |
| schestowitz__ | [11:23] <schestowitz__> I was 13 or 14 | May 20 03:53 |
| schestowitz__ | [11:26] <schestowitz__> this whole think reminds me of megaupload, mega, kim dotcom, and the new mega owner, which iirc was from hk | May 20 03:53 |
| MinceR | most networks just call them "IRC operators" | May 20 03:53 |
| schestowitz__ | is dalnet still around? | May 20 03:53 |
| *schestowitz__ did not check | May 20 03:53 | |
| MinceR | i've heard it's still up | May 20 03:53 |
| schestowitz__ | that's what she said | May 20 03:54 |
| MinceR | i left when it was DDoSsed by kiddies and did not know anyone on the network | May 20 03:54 |
| MinceR | :> | May 20 03:54 |
| schestowitz__ | dalnet was being vandalised when I first used it | May 20 03:54 |
| MinceR | also, lol @ the suggestion to trust LF | May 20 03:54 |
| schestowitz__ | flood-type vandalism | May 20 03:54 |
| schestowitz__ | with colour | May 20 03:54 |
| schestowitz__ | MinceR: yes, I know, I thought the same | May 20 03:54 |
| MinceR | "hey, they're doing such a great job destroying Linux and the Linux brand, let them also destroy freenode!" | May 20 03:54 |
| schestowitz__ | the person who said that gets support from LF | May 20 03:55 |
| schestowitz__ | SFC is also laughable | May 20 03:55 |
| schestowitz__ | why not just shiny shoes for GOogle? | May 20 03:55 |
| schestowitz__ | *Shine | May 20 03:55 |
| XRevan86 | FSF was their first suggestion though :) | May 20 03:55 |
| XRevan86 | GNU Freenode, that's be a sight to see. | May 20 03:55 |
| MinceR | ah yes, there's even a crybully from SFC on the primary signatories list of the anti-RMS letter | May 20 03:56 |
| schestowitz__ | how about this for headline (most people just gloss over the rest): Burning Down Freenode is Easy, But at What Cost? | May 20 03:56 |
| MinceR | meh | May 20 03:56 |
| schestowitz__ | I hate mobs | May 20 03:56 |
| schestowitz__ | they just burn things | May 20 03:56 |
| schestowitz__ | and don't think of the consequences | May 20 03:56 |
| rasengan | schestowitz__: FYI - https://freenode.net/ | May 20 03:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | freenode | May 20 03:56 | |
| schestowitz__ | things that are not companies | May 20 03:56 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: mobs made LibreOffice, mobs made X.org, mobs made Nextcloud | May 20 03:56 |
| schestowitz__ | things like communities and unions | May 20 03:56 |
| schestowitz__ | no, they forked | May 20 03:57 |
| MinceR | x.org turned out to be a bad idea | May 20 03:57 |
| XRevan86 | maybe not Nextcloud | May 20 03:57 |
| XRevan86 | though no, Nextcloud too, the mob supported the founder | May 20 03:57 |
| schestowitz__ | owncloud was going for some of the things nextcloud does | May 20 03:57 |
| schestowitz__ | I think they didn't like the VCs or something like that | May 20 03:57 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If only XFree86 won over… | May 20 03:58 |
| schestowitz__ | x is good enough | May 20 03:58 |
| schestowitz__ | and apparently the code is also decent | May 20 03:58 |
| schestowitz__ | wayland lacks lots of staff after endless work by red hat, intel and others | May 20 03:58 |
| schestowitz__ | *lots of stuff | May 20 03:58 |
| schestowitz__ | it cannot even x-forward LOL | May 20 03:59 |
| schestowitz__ | or wayland-forward | May 20 03:59 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: https://karlitschek.de/2016/06/nextcloud/ | May 20 03:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-karlitschek.de | Frank Karlitschek_ » Nextcloud | May 20 03:59 | |
| MinceR | trusting X on The Closed Group was already a bad move | May 20 03:59 |
| MinceR | they've mismanaged the Unix trademark, who thought they'd do any better with X? | May 20 03:59 |
| schestowitz__ | "As announced 5 weeks ago I left ownCloud, Inc., The company that I co-founded. Not because I abandoned ownCloud or the idea behind it. Actually the opposite. I don’t want to go into details but there are a lot of things that could have been better at ownCloud Inc." | May 20 04:00 |
| schestowitz__ | "We will release a drop in replacement for ownCloud in a few weeks so that users and customers can easily upgrade to Nextcloud to benefit from the new bugfix and security improvements and features. Nextcloud GmbH will provide free support for all current ownCloud customers to simplify a transition." | May 20 04:00 |
| XRevan86 | http://karlitschek.de/2016/04/big-changes-i-am-leaving-owncloud-inc-today/ | May 20 04:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-karlitschek.de | Frank Karlitschek_ » big changes: I am leaving ownCloud, Inc. today | May 20 04:01 | |
| schestowitz__ | some other suse people followed him | May 20 04:01 |
| schestowitz__ | some did not | May 20 04:01 |
| schestowitz__ | owncloud is still around | May 20 04:01 |
| schestowitz__ | not sure how they do in relative terms | May 20 04:01 |
| schestowitz__ | openoffice is feeble, but many still download it | May 20 04:01 |
| schestowitz__ | with all the flaws baked into it | May 20 04:01 |
| schestowitz__ | MinceR: what better for headline? | May 20 04:02 |
| MinceR | dunno | May 20 04:02 |
| schestowitz__ | remember most people only read headlines | May 20 04:02 |
| schestowitz__ | this whole panic seems to be out of proportion | May 20 04:02 |
| MinceR | indeed | May 20 04:02 |
| kingoffrance | the whole thing reminds me of that schneier article other day "85% of gov infrastructure is private" .....whatever the case, seems like a microcosm | May 20 04:02 |
| schestowitz__ | I am hardly enraged | May 20 04:03 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: Yea, only XFree86 fully died. | May 20 04:03 |
| schestowitz__ | I used it | May 20 04:03 |
| schestowitz__ | in SUSE iirc | May 20 04:03 |
| schestowitz__ | 2004 ish | May 20 04:03 |
| -rasengan-[Global Notice] Hello freenode! Thank you for your patience and understanding as we get through these tough times together. We wanted to take a moment to post an update - https://freenode.net/news/freenode-is-foss - and thank you for using freenode, the home of FOSS. | May 20 04:04 | |
| schestowitz__ | MinceR: Maybe "The Panic Over Freenode Isn't Justified" | May 20 04:04 |
| kingoffrance | and yeah corporate hostile takeover, so lets give it to a foundation (another corporation) instead ? | May 20 04:04 |
| MinceR | hmm | May 20 04:04 |
| XRevan86 | rasengan just made a global announcement with https://freenode.net/news/freenode-is-foss | May 20 04:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | On freenode and its commitment to FOSS - freenode | May 20 04:04 | |
| MinceR | frankly, i don't know your conclusion so i don't know which headline fits the article better | May 20 04:04 |
| kingoffrance | im sure they meant "non-profit" but does seem mobbish for now | May 20 04:05 |
| schestowitz__ | kingoffrance: not exactly | May 20 04:05 |
| kingoffrance | im just not seeing much nuance right now | May 20 04:05 |
| techrights-bot | #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing | May 20 04:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index | May 20 04:06 | |
| kingoffrance | well i second the idea of LF made me lol | May 20 04:06 |
| techrights-bot | #Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, May 19, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext | May 20 04:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives | May 20 04:06 | |
| schestowitz__ | kingoffrance: yes, I agree | May 20 04:06 |
| schestowitz__ | rasengan: thanks for the post, helps clarify some things | May 20 04:07 |
| schestowitz__ | OK, I will start writing now | May 20 04:07 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: There's a link to techrights there. | May 20 04:07 |
| rasengan | schestowitz__: Thank you for your patience in understanding the matter. | May 20 04:08 |
| schestowitz__ | it's OK, we try to get stories RIGHT | May 20 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | even when the opinion is countercurrent and unpopular | May 20 04:09 |
| schestowitz__ | am reading through it | May 20 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | so it seems like some of the people who rushed to judge RMS, based on distortions, do it again | May 20 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | with the peer pressure egging them on | May 20 04:10 |
| schestowitz__ | social control media made those things worse | May 20 04:11 |
| kingoffrance | ^ | May 20 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | like seeing a sign on the door | May 20 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | "OMG RMS IS A MONSTER" | May 20 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | later: "Oh.... so that sign was fake... never mind" | May 20 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | even ariadne thought it was real | May 20 04:11 |
| schestowitz__ | bbiab, typing away | May 20 04:12 |
| XRevan86 | Now I can go sleep in more peace. | May 20 04:12 |
| baronhk[m]1 | My favorite part of the Hitchhikers Guide series was probably in the second book. | May 20 04:15 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▁▂▆▄▅▅▁▃▂▃▃▃▄▂▃▂▄▆▆▃▅▃▄▁▄▅▂▆▅▁▆▅▃▆▁ avg(k/sec) 17.95 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▁▁▂▃██▁▁█▁█▁▁▂▂▂█▂▃█▂▂▁▃▃█▁▂▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 76.98▕ swarm size (avg): 224.63 ⟲ | May 20 04:15 |
| baronhk[m]1 | A judge is convinced by a lawyer that beauty is truth and truth is beautiful, that life itself is in contempt of court for.not being beautiful. Then they killed everyone there to seize life from them. | May 20 04:17 |
| kingoffrance | baronhk[m]1, http://dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=devil&Query=cynic lol | May 20 04:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dict.org- cynic | May 20 04:19 | |
| kingoffrance | reminds me of that | May 20 04:20 |
| schestowitz__ | "Interestingly enough, about half of all resignations were announced in a proprietary software platform of Microsoft:" | May 20 04:23 |
| schestowitz__ | Is it OK to say that? | May 20 04:23 |
| kingoffrance | the freenode staff? thats mandatory to say that if so | May 20 04:24 |
| MinceR | i think it's OK to say that | May 20 04:25 |
| schestowitz__ | rasengan: for the fact-checking | May 20 04:27 |
| schestowitz__ | you are US citizen, right? | May 20 04:27 |
| schestowitz__ | " | May 20 04:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Here's one example calling Lee "Trumpian wannabe korean royalty bitcoins millionaire." | May 20 04:30 |
| schestowitz__ | That seems unfair and borderline racist. Americans of East Asian descent people have long suffered from Trumpian politics and calling American people "korean" lends to this idea that people, based on their race/roots alone, can never be "true Americans" | May 20 04:30 |
| schestowitz__ | " | May 20 04:30 |
| rasengan | schestowitz__: Yes I am. (Born and raised) | May 20 04:33 |
| schestowitz__ | That's what I thought, thanks | May 20 04:34 |
| schestowitz__ | my wife is Asian, so I know that sort of attitude, which she too is subjected to sometimes | May 20 04:39 |
| superkuh | Yes. When people do bad things people call them bad names. It's not helpful. | May 20 04:39 |
| schestowitz__ | it's easier when there is salient racial aspect | May 20 04:39 |
| schestowitz__ | "dirty Indians" | May 20 04:39 |
| schestowitz__ | "bringing us COVID variants" | May 20 04:39 |
| schestowitz__ | almost done now | May 20 04:56 |
| schestowitz__ | does anyone want to proof-read? | May 20 04:56 |
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| schestowitz__ | sunmary: The Freenode controversy has lead to what we consider disproportionate response, which likely necessitated further mediation for an amicable resolution; please do not participate in the anti-Freenode (warped into anti-Lee) rally as it harms Free software more than it helps it | May 20 05:00 |
| schestowitz__ | amended to "The Freenode controversy has resulted in what we consider to be disproportionate response, which likely necessitated further mediation for an amicable resolution; please do not participate in the anti-Freenode (warped into anti-Lee) rally as it harms Free software more than it helps it" | May 20 05:01 |
| MinceR | necessitated or necessitates? | May 20 05:01 |
| superkuh | I don't understand your distortion of this and bending over backwards. | May 20 05:02 |
| MinceR | is there already an amicable resolution? | May 20 05:02 |
| superkuh | It seems like you're going out of your way to talk about the fringe idiots instead of the core issues. | May 20 05:02 |
| schestowitz__ | necessitated | May 20 05:04 |
| schestowitz__ | because it's irreversible for the staff | May 20 05:05 |
| schestowitz__ | superkuh: no, I mention the issue | May 20 05:05 |
| schestowitz__ | seems to be the logo | May 20 05:05 |
| schestowitz__ | superkuh: do you want to check the draft? | May 20 05:05 |
| schestowitz__ | tell me if I'm missing something | May 20 05:05 |
| MinceR | i thought domain ownership was more of an issue | May 20 05:06 |
| superkuh | Sure. | May 20 05:06 |
| schestowitz__ | http://techrights.org/2021/05/19/freenode-and-cancel-culture/ | May 20 05:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Panic Over Freenode Isn’t Justified and Its Reaction Mostly Disproportionate | Techrights | May 20 05:08 | |
| schestowitz__ | I'm sure you will find and can report typos along the way | May 20 05:09 |
| superkuh | The problem is not the logo on the site though you may call it the catalyst. The problem is asserting control of any kind over the servers. | May 20 05:11 |
| schestowitz__ | to add logos? | May 20 05:12 |
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| superkuh | Or maybe when he interfered with the blog post about the staff deciding on a new leader? | May 20 05:13 |
| schestowitz__ | any link for context? | May 20 05:14 |
| superkuh | https://gist.github.com/aaronmdjones/1a9a93ded5b7d162c3f58bdd66b8f491 | May 20 05:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gist.github.com | My resignation from freenode · GitHub | May 20 05:14 | |
| superkuh | I personally had a problem with him pushing handshake on freenode as it seemed like a massive conflict of interest for an owner. | May 20 05:15 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▃▂▅▄▆▆▆▂▁▃▃▁▄▂▁▅▆▃▄▅▄▅▃▄▁▁▂▄▅█▄▆▇▅▁ avg(k/sec) 20.83 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▃▂█▂▂▂▂▂█▁▁▂▁█▁▁▂▂▂▂▁▁▂▂▂▁█▆▂▂▂▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 66.68▕ swarm size (avg): 224.68 ⟲ | May 20 05:15 |
| superkuh | And many others expressed the same at that time. | May 20 05:15 |
| schestowitz__ | " | May 20 05:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Andrew should have no right to be concerned about who we put in charge, | May 20 05:15 |
| schestowitz__ | as it was promised that he would be hands-off and let us continue to run | May 20 05:15 |
| schestowitz__ | the network as we always have. | May 20 05:15 |
| schestowitz__ | " | May 20 05:15 |
| schestowitz__ | operational and management are not the same | May 20 05:15 |
| schestowitz__ | operationally independent | May 20 05:15 |
| superkuh | Riiight. More legal weasel. | May 20 05:16 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe | May 20 05:16 |
| superkuh | I think you could read through that fully cited document full of incidents of interference and compare it to rasengan's releases without anything backing him up. | May 20 05:17 |
| superkuh | Not even a second person. | May 20 05:17 |
| superkuh | When this came out on the 16th I was on his side. | May 20 05:18 |
| superkuh | I thought he would just clear things up, bring in other voices that confirmed his statements, etc. | May 20 05:18 |
| superkuh | You can look in the logs in joepie's log link post. | May 20 05:18 |
| superkuh | I asked him to do so. He hasn't still. | May 20 05:18 |
| superkuh | https://paste.sr.ht/~ircwright/7e751d2162e4eb27cba25f6f8893c1f38930f7c4 ctrl-f 'superkuh' | May 20 05:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-crown-prince-getting-owned.txt — paste.sr.ht | May 20 05:20 | |
| superkuh | And yes, it has an unfortunate (though legally accurate) label. | May 20 05:20 |
| dragestil | From the new techrights post | May 20 05:20 |
| dragestil | > But it seems like pretty much the whole catastrophe right now boils down to that. In the same way that “cancel RMS” in 2019 was about some tactless E-mails (seen as insensitive towards victims) and in 2021 “cancel RMS” was all about the man coming back to the FSF’s Board (anger superficially boosted and artificially floated by the set of new claims, shifting to a whole different set of poor-quality accusations). | May 20 05:20 |
| dragestil | I don't see how this event can be interpreted as cancelling | May 20 05:20 |
| superkuh | I see no relation to the cancel RMS thing except they used github. | May 20 05:20 |
| superkuh | This wasn't a misinterpreted statement. | May 20 05:21 |
| superkuh | On the other side, that he hasn't kicked me or others off the network says a lot for his restraint. | May 20 05:21 |
| superkuh | I don't want freenode to split. The anxiety I am having over this is making me physically sick to my stomach. I really wish there were a possible reconciliation. But that can't happen if we just ignore what happened and is well documented. | May 20 05:24 |
| dragestil | the new techrights post attacks the anti-lee side with a lot of guilt by association | May 20 05:24 |
| dragestil | "posted on github", "someone who signed rms hate letter said this", "the same publication that attacked rms" | May 20 05:25 |
| baronhk[m]1 | <schestowitz__ "my wife is Asian, so I know that"> Mom apparently works with some. | May 20 05:26 |
| baronhk[m]1 | She asked if anyone wanted some Chinese take out and one of them (in her early 20s) asked "Aren't they the ones making the virus?". | May 20 05:26 |
| MinceR | 20 062045 < superkuh> I see no relation to the cancel RMS thing except they used github. | May 20 05:27 |
| MinceR | an ircop who resigned over this also signed that one | May 20 05:27 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Between that one and the 19 year old who can't figure out that you go to the Social Security office to replace your Social Security Card, I think it's fair to say....doomed. | May 20 05:27 |
| baronhk[m]1 | MinceR: ^ | May 20 05:27 |
| superkuh | Of the list you provided only nhandler seemed to be on it. But again, I may have not been as thorough. | May 20 05:27 |
| baronhk[m]1 | They all figure out one thing though. How to get pregnant over and over again. | May 20 05:28 |
| baronhk[m]1 | In my experience, the least productive are often the most reproductive. | May 20 05:28 |
| MinceR | as i've said before, José Antonio Rey is also on it | May 20 05:28 |
| baronhk[m]1 | So again.....DOOMED. | May 20 05:28 |
| MinceR | baronhk[m]1: "Oh my god. What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing?! (pause) Oh, right, that would be me. Back to work." | May 20 05:28 |
| baronhk[m]1 | The only reason welfare doesn't cost us a lot more is because half of them aren't smart or motivated enough to even ask for the program. | May 20 05:28 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Liberals are fucking retarded for creating these programs. | May 20 05:29 |
| baronhk[m]1 | They enable two things to happen. | May 20 05:29 |
| kingoffrance | funny part is sweden is still a monarchy, but no executive powers "purely ceremonial" | May 20 05:30 |
| baronhk[m]1 | The slums of places like Chicago to flourish with generations of poverty and violence, and rural hillbillies to keep reproducing with people who won't fill out a job application or will end up cooking meth and going to prison. | May 20 05:30 |
| baronhk[m]1 | "Buddy, you ain't the King of but two things. Jack and Shit, and Jack left town." | May 20 05:31 |
| MinceR | :> | May 20 05:31 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Welfare was well intentioned, but it fuels crime, poverty, and violence. | May 20 05:32 |
| baronhk[m]1 | A culture of helplessness. | May 20 05:32 |
| schestowitz__ | [05:26] <baronhk[m]1> She asked if anyone wanted some Chinese take out and one of them (in her early 20s) asked "Aren't they the ones making the virus?". | May 20 05:32 |
| schestowitz__ | Casualracism(TM) | May 20 05:32 |
| schestowitz__ | superkuh: thanks for the replies/citations | May 20 05:33 |
| schestowitz__ | I will revisit this later, it's a very big deal for the community | May 20 05:33 |
| baronhk[m]1 | MinceR: All of the people in those churches in Indiana are on the dole somehow. | May 20 05:33 |
| baronhk[m]1 | But to see a true hive, you have to go to South Chicago or at least the area. | May 20 05:33 |
| baronhk[m]1 | That's what happens when you remove the personal financial responsibility of having children you can't afford. | May 20 05:34 |
| baronhk[m]1 | People have lots of them because they know the government gives them free shit because they're the parent. So now they get SNAP and cash and free internet and low income housing and cell phones and Medicaid, because the government goes "Oh well, you don't know who any of the fathers are. We'll just tax all of these other people and you can be a welfare queen.". | May 20 05:35 |
| baronhk[m]1 | This was how bad it was before Biden's emergency Coronavirus nonsense. | May 20 05:35 |
| superkuh | "<CoJaBo> spinningCat: Part of it seems to be that Freenode made plans to move to another IRCd, but the corporate owners had invested a huge amount of money in their own IRCd. The earliest major action is corporate demanding they take down that announcement" | May 20 05:35 |
| schestowitz__ | I've made notes of superkuh's stuff | May 20 05:36 |
| superkuh | If you want a summary instead of the detailed story with citations above. | May 20 05:36 |
| baronhk[m]1 | If they couldn't mooch off the state in exchange for having 4-5 useless kids, they'd knock it off and maybe invest in some condoms. | May 20 05:36 |
| techrights-bot | The Panic Over #Freenode Isn’t Justified and Its Reaction Mostly Disproportionate http://techrights.org/2021/05/19/freenode-and-cancel-culture/ #irc #freesw #sharing #shells | May 20 05:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Panic Over Freenode Isn’t Justified and Its Reaction Mostly Disproportionate | Techrights | May 20 05:36 | |
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| techrights-bot | "7 of the 8 richest people in America are now fierce nerds." #billgates is not a nerd but a person who exploited nerds and then attacked them. Businessman who studied law and then broke the law (never even graduated) http://paulgraham.com/fn.html | May 20 05:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paulgraham.com | Fierce Nerds | May 20 05:39 | |
| GNUmoon | baronhk[m]: "People have lots of them because they know the government gives them free shit because they're the parent." How is this related to Techrights? | May 20 05:39 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Roy probably wondered where the anti-Asian crap is coming from. | May 20 05:40 |
| baronhk[m]1 | I guarantee you it's from maladjusted people who were on the wrong side of the tracks growing up. | May 20 05:40 |
| schestowitz__ | GNUmoon: not related to it | May 20 05:41 |
| schestowitz__ | not my choice of topic, either | May 20 05:41 |
| kingoffrance | " In the past century we've seen a continuous transfer of power from dealmakers to technicians — from the charismatic to the competent" | May 20 05:42 |
| kingoffrance | citation needed | May 20 05:42 |
| baronhk[m]1 | I can't imagine anyone whose parents bothered trying to educate and instill any sense of morality into could grow up and even make a statement like aren't the people running the Chinese restaurant giving people COVID. | May 20 05:43 |
| GNUmoon | schestowitz: no worries, I'm sure you didn't pick it :) | May 20 05:45 |
| baronhk[m]1 | There's a lot of it out there. Facebook's model is to attract people who respond to this stuff and then promote it to drive advertising. | May 20 05:45 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Then they say we delete lots of accounts and yada yada. | May 20 05:45 |
| baronhk[m]1 | The devil speaks with a forked tongue. | May 20 05:45 |
| baronhk[m]1 | In the 90s there were definitely people like this hanging out on forums, but they were not organized. They weren't promoted like this. Few took them seriously. | May 20 05:46 |
| baronhk[m]1 | If COVID happened in the 90s, everyone would have gone to get the vaccine. There wouldn't be all of these attacks on Asians. | May 20 05:47 |
| baronhk[m]1 | What's ultimately wrong is a lot of things. Better people have died and been replaced by worse people. | May 20 05:47 |
| schestowitz__ | kingoffrance: century maybe | May 20 05:48 |
| schestowitz__ | not decade | May 20 05:48 |
| baronhk[m]1 | I mean an educated generation who built things and cared about each other was replaced by narcissistic illiterates. | May 20 05:48 |
| MinceR | idiocracy :> | May 20 05:49 |
| baronhk[m]1 | There's a group of slackers and morons now who have formed a student group demanding to be passed through Chicago high schools due to the "trauma" from COVID affecting their grades. | May 20 05:49 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Nice one. | May 20 05:49 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Half of the schooling I had was a state recognized home schooling program, before most people even had a computer. My grades improved. | May 20 05:50 |
| baronhk[m]1 | MinceR Still trying to figure out how it's possible to be traumatized by staying at home in pajamas. | May 20 05:51 |
| MinceR | there are some ways :> | May 20 05:52 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Stallman pretty much covered it. If you leave the 24/7 panic channels off you can avoid this. | May 20 05:52 |
| baronhk[m]1 | I wonder what Stallman would say about Grindr. Probably that it's proprietary and collects data about its users. | May 20 05:53 |
| baronhk[m]1 | But in the timeline where I paid attention to that, I wouldn't have met Mandy. | May 20 05:53 |
| baronhk[m]1 | I know that's atypical. Even meeting a halfway decent person there.... | May 20 05:53 |
| baronhk[m]1 | I caught it relaying data to Facebook. | May 20 05:54 |
| baronhk[m]1 | It tells Facebook your HIV status if you list it. If it's negative you start getting PrEP ads and ads for lawyers suing Gilead for making PrEP. | May 20 05:55 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Yes, take it and then sue! | May 20 05:55 |
| baronhk[m]1 | There's lots of people who are entirely too open about things like this. | May 20 05:55 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Would you want Facebook to know your HIV status? How does that affect lending terms and employment opportunities? Oh, we all know banks and employers never peek at data they can't legally use and then make a decision with it. | May 20 05:56 |
| baronhk[m]1 | There's many interactions with apps and Facebook, and Google is basically allowing all of it. I saw someone post Facebook's in app response to Apple's new privacy setup. They threaten that it may not be free anymore if people start rejecting being used this way. | May 20 05:58 |
| kingoffrance | https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/imf-suggests-that-your-credit-score-could-be-based-on-your-internet-history/ | May 20 06:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.privateinternetaccess.com | IMF suggests that your credit score could be based on your internet history | May 20 06:09 | |
| kingoffrance | im sure if it comes to that it will all be legalized | May 20 06:09 |
| baronhk[m]1 | I notice our credit scores go up or down and they won't say why. | May 20 06:09 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Monthly even. | May 20 06:09 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll rename it to Social Credit Score. | May 20 06:10 |
| kingoffrance | originally it more or less was marketed that way, century ago :) | May 20 06:10 |
| kingoffrance | "so this is utopia" h.g. wells sitting homeless on park bench after teleporting forward a few decades | May 20 06:11 |
| kingoffrance | dumb movie lol | May 20 06:11 |
| kingoffrance | i think its raining too lol | May 20 06:12 |
| kingoffrance | jack the ripper tells him no no, im the future lol | May 20 06:12 |
| schestowitz__ | so many people still get their 'facts' from their so-called 'friends' in Facebook | May 20 06:14 |
| schestowitz__ | what can go wrong? | May 20 06:14 |
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| techrights-bot | The EPO’s War on #Justice and Assault on the #Law — Part 14: Nemo Iudex in Causa Sua? http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/nemo-iudex-in-causa-sua/ #epo #corruption | May 20 06:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s War on Justice and Assault on the Law — Part 14: Nemo Iudex in Causa Sua? | Techrights | May 20 06:25 | |
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| techrights-bot | #EPO #Corruption Impacts Everybody, Even Those Uncaring About #Patents and Those Outside #Europe http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/the-cost-of-epo-corruption/ #swpats | May 20 06:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Corruption Impacts Everybody, Even Those Uncaring About Patents and Those Outside Europe | Techrights | May 20 06:44 | |
| techrights-bot | Today in #Techrights • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151381 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | May 20 06:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | May 20 06:58 | |
| techrights-bot | The #Freenode controversy has resulted in what we consider to be disproportionate response, which likely necessitates further mediation for an amicable resolution; please do not participate in the anti-Freenode (warped into anti-Lee) rally as it harms #Freesoftware more than it helps it http://techrights.org/2021/05/19/freenode-and-cancel-culture/ | May 20 07:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Panic Over Freenode Isn’t Justified and Its Reaction Mostly Disproportionate | Techrights | May 20 07:00 | |
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| DVulgaris | The onion gets it right every time | May 20 07:57 |
| DVulgaris | https://www.theonion.com/israel-returns-occupied-territories-to-palestinians-aft-1846910259 | May 20 07:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theonion.com | Israel Returns Occupied Territories To Palestinians After Running Out Of Targets To Hit In Gaza | May 20 07:57 | |
| DVulgaris | The situation here is getting worse year after year | May 20 07:57 |
| psydroid | <techrights-bot "The #Freenode controversy has re"> I just read this and it looks entirely reasonable to me https://freenode.net/news/freenode-is-foss | May 20 08:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | On freenode and its commitment to FOSS - freenode | May 20 08:00 | |
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| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #FredericCambus #BSD ☞ The state of toolchains in #OpenBSD https://www.cambus.net/the-state-of-toolchains-in-openbsd/ | May 20 09:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The state of toolchains in OpenBSD - Cambus.net | May 20 09:42 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #TheProgrammingHistorian #JSON ☞ Reshaping JSON with jq https://programminghistorian.org/en/lessons/json-and-jq | May 20 09:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-programminghistorian.org | Reshaping JSON with jq | Programming Historian | May 20 09:42 | |
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| techrights-bot | #Microsoft #Windows TCO: Colonial Pipeline boss confirms $4.4m ransom payment https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57178503 | May 20 09:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Colonial Pipeline boss confirms $4.4m ransom payment - BBC News | May 20 09:48 | |
| techrights-bot | #TUXEDOComputers Launches New TUXEDO #InfinityBook Pro 14 Linux Laptop with 3K Display • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151382 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | May 20 09:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TUXEDO Computers Launches New TUXEDO InfinityBook Pro 14 Linux Laptop with 3K Display | Tux Machines | May 20 09:49 | |
| techrights-bot | 𝓣𝓮𝓬𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓰𝓱𝓽𝓼 #IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 • ፕቿርዘዪጎኗዘፕነ ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/irc-log-190521/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/20/irc-log-190521/ | May 20 09:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 | Techrights | May 20 09:51 | |
| techrights-bot | After #BenoîtBattistelli had put Carl Josefsson in charge at BoA #AntónioCampinos decided to make him the ‘New Normal’ rubber-stamping apparatus, in effect serving to normalise clear violations of the EPC • ፕቿርዘዪጎኗዘፕነ ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/nemo-iudex-in-causa-sua/ •●• #Techrights #EPO #corruption | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/20/nemo-iudex-in- | May 20 09:52 |
| techrights-bot | It seems fair to say that the incredible deficit or lack of justice at the #EPOorg poses a threat not only to justice in #Europe and the EU, even well outside the area of patents. • ፕቿርዘዪጎኗዘፕነ ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/the-cost-of-epo-corruption/ •●• #Techright #EPO #Corruption | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/20/the-cost-of-epo-corruption/ | May 20 09:53 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #Variety #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ #ByteDance Co-Founder #ZhangYiming to Step Down as CEO https://variety.com/2021/digital/news/bytedance-ceo-zhang-yiming-steps-down-1234977353/ | May 20 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ByteDance Co-Founder Zhang Yiming to Step Down as CEO - Variety | May 20 09:55 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #BBC #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ #ByteDance : TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57181225 | May 20 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | ByteDance: TikTok's co-founder to step down as chief executive - BBC News | May 20 09:55 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #EestiRahvusringhääling #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ QR code digital #coronavirus #vaccine certificate system launches https://news.err.ee/1608196990/qr-code-digital-coronavirus-vaccine-certificate-system-launches | May 20 09:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.err.ee | QR code digital coronavirus vaccine certificate system launches | Coronavirus | ERR | May 20 09:57 | |
| techrights-bot | There seem to be issues with the JoinDiaspora bridge to Twitter | May 20 10:03 |
| techrights-bot | #ibm will look #redhat look bad https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/20/ibm_cloud_outage/ | May 20 10:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | IBM Cloud’s biggest region hit by five-hour Severity One brownout • The Register | May 20 10:10 | |
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| schestowitz__ | I've just recorded a one-hour video about freenode | May 20 11:29 |
| schestowitz__ | uploading now | May 20 11:29 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://ariadne.space/2021/05/20/the-whole-freenode-kerfluffle/ | May 20 11:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ariadne.space | the whole freenode kerfluffle – Ariadne's Space | May 20 11:43 | |
| schestowitz__ | "In December 2018, Andrew acquired the irc.com domain. On that domain, he wrote a post titled Let’s [sic] take IRC further. Based on this post, we can gather a few details about Andrew’s childhood: he grew up as a marginalized person, and as a result of that marginalization, he was bullied. IRC was his outlet, a space for him that was actually safe for him to express himself. Because of that, he was able to learn about | May 20 11:43 |
| schestowitz__ | technology and free software." | May 20 11:43 |
| schestowitz__ | rasengan: is that a fair assessment (sorry if too personal)? | May 20 11:44 |
| schestowitz__ | I mean the paragraph above alone? | May 20 11:44 |
| schestowitz__ | not the post as a whole | May 20 11:44 |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux ☞ Make a Raspberry Pi Pico-based Midi Fighter | HackSpace 43 https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/make-a-raspberry-pi-pico-based-midi-fighter-hackspace-43/ | May 20 11:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Make a Raspberry Pi Pico-based Midi Fighter | HackSpace 43 - Raspberry Pi | May 20 11:56 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux ☞ Raspberry Pi transforms old Wurlitzer into modern digital jukebox https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-transforms-old-wurlitzer-into-modern-digital-jukebox/ | May 20 11:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Raspberry Pi transforms old Wurlitzer into modern digital jukebox - Raspberry Pi | May 20 11:56 | |
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| techrights-bot | 6 Best #FreeSW Digital Audio Workstations • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151384 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | May 20 12:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 6 Best Free and Open Source Digital Audio Workstations | Tux Machines | May 20 12:14 | |
| techrights-bot | 5 Best #EPUB Readers For Linux: #freesw & Lightweight Reading • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151383 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | May 20 12:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Best EPUB Readers For Linux: Open Source & Lightweight Reading | Tux Machines | May 20 12:14 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #EFF ☞ Coalition Launches ‘Dark Patterns’ Tip Line to Expose Deceptive Technology Design https://www.eff.org/press/releases/coalition-launches-dark-patterns-tip-line-expose-deceptive-technology-design | May 20 12:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Coalition Launches ‘Dark Patterns’ Tip Line to Expose Deceptive Technology Design | Electronic Frontier Foundation | May 20 12:16 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #EFF ☞ Help Bring Dark Patterns To Light https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/05/help-bring-dark-patterns-light | May 20 12:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Help Bring Dark Patterns To Light | Electronic Frontier Foundation | May 20 12:17 | |
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| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ #EU Parliament Votes For New Legislation to Remove Pirated Sports Streams in Real-Time https://torrentfreak.com/eu-parliament-votes-for-new-legislation-to-remove-pirated-sports-streams-in-real-time-210519/ | May 20 12:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EU Parliament Votes For New Legislation to Remove Pirated Sports Streams in Real-Time * TorrentFreak | May 20 12:25 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ New .MUSIC Top-Level Domain Will Be Piracy Hostile, Despite Early Fears https://torrentfreak.com/new-music-top-level-domain-will-be-piracy-hostile-despite-early-fears-210519/ | May 20 12:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New .MUSIC Top-Level Domain Will Be Piracy Hostile, Despite Early Fears * TorrentFreak | May 20 12:25 | |
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| techrights-bot | #Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151385 #Linux #TuxMachines | May 20 12:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | May 20 12:39 | |
| techrights-bot | "I get sev1 emails and alerts on a weekly and almost daily basis. 5x per day. It’s like someone turned on verbose mode. Does AWS have this many issues? No wonder no one uses #ibm cloud. If I was a customer and I saw all these... I’d jump to AWS or GCP" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aW71VrT#replies | May 20 12:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM Cloud’s biggest region hit by five-hour Severity One brownout - post regarding IBM layoffs | May 20 12:42 | |
| techrights-bot | ● NEWS ● #TheNation ☞ We’re Suing Google. Here’s Why. https://www.thenation.com/article/society/google-lawsuit-monopoly-antitrust/ | May 20 12:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | We’re Suing Google. Here’s Why. | The Nation | May 20 12:47 | |
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| techrights-bot | #Google funded Mozilla, Google Ask #Mauritius Gov't To Abandon Its Plan To Intercept, Decrypt All Social Media Traffic Originating In The Country https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210513/13131446797/mozilla-google-ask-mauritius-govt-to-abandon-plan-to-intercept-decrypt-all-social-media-traffic-originating-country.shtml but Mozilla and Google will still jointly spy on people for the US Government | May 20 12:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mozilla, Google Ask Mauritius Gov't To Abandon Its Plan To Intercept, Decrypt All Social Media Traffic Originating In The Country | Techdirt | May 20 12:54 | |
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| techrights-bot | There's a Staff Exodus at Freenode, But It's Not a Users Exodus (No Compelling Practical Reasons to Leave) http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/freenode-users/ #Freenode #IRC #internet #freesw #privacy | May 20 13:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | There’s a Staff Exodus at Freenode, But It’s Not a Users Exodus (No Compelling Practical Reasons to Leave) | Techrights | May 20 13:12 | |
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| techrights-bot | #IRC remains relevant to many of us who need a reliable, free, and Free software-based network for communications based upon (or built atop) protocols that a lot of clients support http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/freenode-users/ #freenode | May 20 13:27 |
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| schestowitz__ | CrystalMath: what's the situation | May 20 13:48 |
| schestowitz__ | from what I can see, curl and others just monitor things | May 20 13:48 |
| schestowitz__ | but not many projects truly moved, or at all | May 20 13:49 |
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| techrights-bot | MSIE dead https://www.pcworld.com/article/3619087/rip-internet-explorer-microsoft-will-discontinue-support-in-2022.html Windows still rotting away too: http://techrights.org/2021/05/03/statcounter-may-2021/ | May 20 13:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-RIP Internet Explorer: Microsoft will discontinue support in 2022 | PCWorld | May 20 13:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | StatCounter: In May 2021 Windows Market Share Falls Sharply to Just 28%, Whereas GNU/Linux Climbs to 2.31% in Desktops/Laptops | Techrights | May 20 13:53 | |
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| psydroid | the deployment model for Windows is now that of non-LTS Ubuntu or Fedora | May 20 13:57 |
| psydroid | for something that is supposed to be "business a critical" this is simply laughable | May 20 13:58 |
| psydroid | especially when even a fully-patched install can be owned by a zero day anyway | May 20 13:58 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz__: day 2 and ReactOS couldn't care less about libera | May 20 13:59 |
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| schestowitz__ | CrystalMath: it's also a risk | May 20 14:02 |
| schestowitz__ | they could do a walkout there like they did freenode | May 20 14:02 |
| schestowitz__ | and then you have to move everyone again, rewrite scripts etc. | May 20 14:03 |
| schestowitz__ | rasengan is in contact with tomaw | May 20 14:03 |
| schestowitz__ | I hope they sort something out asap | May 20 14:03 |
| schestowitz__ | the community needs stability and calm | May 20 14:03 |
| psydroid | *business-critical | May 20 14:05 |
| psydroid | ReactOS are on their own Mattermost | May 20 14:05 |
| schestowitz__ | good | May 20 14:09 |
| schestowitz__ | afaik, it uses matrix | May 20 14:10 |
| schestowitz__ | and thus can maybe bridge across to freenode as well? | May 20 14:10 |
| schestowitz__ | I never saw Mattermost firsthand | May 20 14:10 |
| schestowitz__ | we experimented with it at work | May 20 14:10 |
| psydroid | We use(d) it at university | May 20 14:11 |
| psydroid | Yes, it can bridge to IRC and Matrix | May 20 14:11 |
| psydroid | that's what the #reactos channel does | May 20 14:12 |
| schestowitz__ | good, I like compatible protocols | May 20 14:12 |
| schestowitz__ | gnu social and fediverse are not compatible with disapora | May 20 14:12 |
| schestowitz__ | activitypub and all | May 20 14:12 |
| schestowitz__ | pump.io I think works ok with fediverse but is hardly used | May 20 14:12 |
| schestowitz__ | kaniini told me pleroma was based partly on statusnet | May 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz__ | close to gnu social | May 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz__ | and was fediverse/activitypub compatible, for obvious reasons | May 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz__ | I am sour about fediverse and never came back since December because sites keep shutting down | May 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz__ | too erratic | May 20 14:14 |
| psydroid | I don't want to rely on other people's servers for this very reason | May 20 14:14 |
| baronhk[m]1 | MSIE won't die for quite a while. | May 20 14:15 |
| baronhk[m]1 | If you wanted to, you could just write an IE shell around Trident and at that point it's an application using the platform. | May 20 14:15 |
| baronhk[m]1 | IE is hundreds of MB but Internet Explorer the shell is just a few. | May 20 14:16 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Even if it appears to go away, Microsoft has removed less than 1% of IE from the computer. | May 20 14:17 |
| baronhk[m]1 | They would only be removing the part you can see, which you've been allowed to do since Windows 7. | May 20 14:17 |
| baronhk[m]1 | https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/recode/22441627/bill-gates-scandal-divorce-epstein | May 20 14:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bill Gates will never be the same after scandal and his divorce from Melinda French Gates - Vox | May 20 14:19 | |
| baronhk[m]1 | A vicious sex predator who palled around with Jeff Epstein. The mainstream media took 10 years to report on any of it while it was very quick to Cancel Stallman because of one sentence in a blog that almost nobody has ever read. | May 20 14:21 |
| psydroid | I installed the latest Windows release yesterday for the sole purpose of being able to take exams, but this time Pro in the hope that some update won't break something again or I can at least postpone it | May 20 14:21 |
| baronhk[m]1 | mjg59 still hasn't started Cancel Bill Gates on GitHub. | May 20 14:22 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Maybe instead of sabotaging the Free Software side of the fence he can help drain the swamp of perverts at Microsoft. | May 20 14:22 |
| baronhk[m]1 | There's way more where Gates came from and some still show up for work every day. | May 20 14:23 |
| psydroid | I give Windows about a decade until it's dead and buried or cremated | May 20 14:24 |
| baronhk[m]1 | mjg59 was badmouthing an Android app that loads artwork that's not even obscene or questionable, yet they find hard drives and bankers boxes of VHS tapes and DVDs of actual child abuse going on spanning decades in the homes of people he refuses to speak of. | May 20 14:25 |
| baronhk[m]1 | What's wrong with this picture? | May 20 14:25 |
| trttl | so his philanthropic image that he's been building in the past 20 years goes out the window(s)(r)? very sad | May 20 14:25 |
| baronhk[m]1 | They enabled it by taking his bribe money to not report on how the Gates Foundation really operated. | May 20 14:26 |
| baronhk[m]1 | It did not achieve any actual results that could be called charitable. People are less educated and less healthy today than ever, but the Foundation promoted Microsoft products and funded unethical medical experiments mostly on the Global South where nobody sues and nobody cares what happens. | May 20 14:28 |
| psydroid | If anything it shows what is wrong with the world to let these perverts roam freely among us for such a long time and even enabling them | May 20 14:28 |
| baronhk[m]1 | In the mean time, Bill doubled his money. | May 20 14:28 |
| baronhk[m]1 | The police only ever bust nobodies for child abuse. | May 20 14:28 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Rich people do pretty much anything they want and even after they are exposed there's no consequences. | May 20 14:29 |
| trttl | there are sometimes but they usually have the means to keep things private and avoid being exposed | May 20 14:30 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Even if Gates was ever convicted of anything, the stain of a conviction matters to a guy who can't even get a job now and has no money, but it means nothing to someone who has $100 billion from back when nobody reported or investigated. It's an embarrassment at worst. | May 20 14:30 |
| schestowitz__ | we gotr some major news | May 20 14:31 |
| baronhk[m]1 | His wife leaving is humiliating enough. Most of these people are raving psychopaths who were married for show anyway, which is why divorce is so rare. | May 20 14:31 |
| schestowitz__ | we managed to change a very important EPO case, it seems... | May 20 14:31 |
| baronhk[m]1 | He was cheating. She used him for status. None of it matters to her as long as she can get places because of the marriage. | May 20 14:32 |
| schestowitz__ | The easiest solution seems to be to continue with the publication of the series as written (with a note to alert readers about the latest development). | May 20 14:32 |
| baronhk[m]1 | He's gone from asset to liability. | May 20 14:32 |
| schestowitz__ | A short "post scriptum" update can be provided to explain the implications of the interlocutory decision of 17 May. | May 20 14:32 |
| schestowitz__ | true | May 20 14:32 |
| baronhk[m]1 | If it wasn't for the marriage, Melinda French would have been a Microsoft footnote that was asked to leave the company after Bob. | May 20 14:33 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Not a divorced billionaire that people feel sorry for because she "only became aware" of Bill's actions recently. | May 20 14:34 |
| baronhk[m]1 | That's how you move on after you're exposed. Play the victim. "I was appalled to find out about this recently and I moved as quickly as I could to leave him.". | May 20 14:35 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Anyway, the vestiges of Internet Explorer will live on indefinitely, but it will look like it was removed. | May 20 14:36 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Nobody will notice because they have plenty of space for crap like this to linger forever. | May 20 14:37 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Rest assured that it will keep causing security issues as part of the platform and you simply won't know about most of them. If you look closely you will continue to see new versions of its constituent dll files in the Windows 10 updates. | May 20 14:38 |
| baronhk[m]1 | "Microsoft is promising to support this IE mode in Edge until through at least 2029." | May 20 14:39 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Meaning it has another 8 years left, by which time it's not even clear that there will be a Windows. | May 20 14:39 |
| baronhk[m]1 | They made it official that they killed Windows 10 X yesterday. | May 20 14:40 |
| baronhk[m]1 | They've encouraged bad design choices around IE and by the time the dlls go away some corporations will still be complaining about removal of a DOM implementation that's over thirty years old. | May 20 14:41 |
| baronhk[m]1 | The default for Local Intranet Zone is IE 5 Mode. | May 20 14:42 |
| baronhk[m]1 | And that doesn't change in IE Mode for Edge. | May 20 14:42 |
| baronhk[m]1 | What does change is that the IE components run behind a bigger blast door using a virtual machine walled off from the rest of the system and the graphics are remotely displayed into Edge. This is just bad design. | May 20 14:43 |
| baronhk[m]1 | It doesn't actually move forward because the only way you do that with these companies is to take out the cattle prod. | May 20 14:44 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Walmart's intranet still has pages that only work in IE. | May 20 14:44 |
| baronhk[m]1 | I went to put down myself as beneficiary for my spouse's retirement and stuff because he opened the page for that....It wanted to load an ActiveX control which didn't do anything even in Edge. | May 20 14:46 |
| baronhk[m]1 | IE Mode doesn't work on Edge unless you have an Enterprise SKU of Windows. | May 20 14:46 |
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| baronhk[m]1 | Microsoft's actions show a company whose flagship product is in its death rattles. | May 20 14:52 |
| baronhk[m]1 | They try to keep pitching their new stuff, but all they can really do is slow down the customers from leaving them. | May 20 14:52 |
| baronhk[m]1 | The markets that have shown less deterioration with Windows are the ones they've never been able to extract a lot of money from. | May 20 14:54 |
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| baronhk[m]1 | There's still a churn of spam involving their Linux products. | May 20 14:55 |
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| baronhk[m]1 | schestowitz__: "Microsoft Defender for Linux endpoint detection" able to "detect over 30 insecure configurations". Yet, oddly, they recently were unable to "secure endpoints" in the SolarWinds debacle and the Colonial Pipeline disaster and the NHS of Ireland. | May 20 14:57 |
| schestowitz__ | says SJVN? | May 20 14:57 |
| schestowitz__ | zdNYET? | May 20 14:57 |
| baronhk[m]1 | They can't secure their own platform, yet they'd expanding into ones that have traditionally not been likely to be misconfigured. | May 20 14:57 |
| schestowitz__ | yeah, I ignore that | May 20 14:57 |
| schestowitz__ | Microsoft realises Windows-only won't sell anymore | May 20 14:58 |
| schestowitz__ | someone inside Microsoft told me | May 20 14:58 |
| baronhk[m]1 | <schestowitz__ "says SJVN?"> Yes, it has rich end user experiences and luxurious Corinthian leather. | May 20 14:58 |
| schestowitz__ | baronhk[m]1: can you check english with me? | May 20 14:58 |
| schestowitz__ | I have a big story coming out | May 20 14:58 |
| baronhk[m]1 | yeah | May 20 14:58 |
| schestowitz__ | http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/calle-josefsson-deposed/ | May 20 14:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Breaking EPO News Regarding G 1/21: Judge Calle Josefsson Deposed as Chairman | Techrights | May 20 14:58 | |
| baronhk[m]1 | Looks okay. | May 20 15:06 |
| baronhk[m]1 | https://www.reddit.com/r/windows/comments/mefy6p/is_windows_dying/ | May 20 15:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Is Windows dying? : windows | May 20 15:09 | |
| baronhk[m]1 | If Microsoft started charging an annual fee to use Windows, the trickle of customers leaving would become a flood. | May 20 15:09 |
| baronhk[m]1 | LibreOffice has become so common that you even see it on library computers these days. | May 20 15:10 |
| schestowitz__ | baronhk[m]1: thanks! | May 20 15:10 |
| schestowitz__ | baronhk[m]1: sometimes google things | May 20 15:11 |
| schestowitz__ | either way, gone are the post-wordperfect days | May 20 15:11 |
| schestowitz__ | microsoft doesn't have over 90% of that market anymore | May 20 15:11 |
| schestowitz__ | many people also fill forms in browsers | May 20 15:11 |
| schestowitz__ | not printing or editing documents | May 20 15:11 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Their latest stuff finally implements the ISO version of OOXML, btw. | May 20 15:11 |
| baronhk[m]1 | And only a decade and a half later. | May 20 15:11 |
| baronhk[m]1 | They needed time to transition to their own standard, I suppose. :) | May 20 15:12 |
| baronhk[m]1 | And charge upgrade fees along the way. | May 20 15:12 |
| techrights-bot | Breaking #EPO News Regarding G 1/21: Judge #CalleJosefsson Deposed as Chairman http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/calle-josefsson-deposed/ #europe #patent #corruption | May 20 15:12 |
| schestowitz__ | did you check? | May 20 15:12 |
| schestowitz__ | or is that what they SAID? | May 20 15:13 |
| schestowitz__ | They never even followed ECMA | May 20 15:13 |
| baronhk[m]1 | LibreOffice 7 saves to the ISO format because the release notes say that Office 2019 and 365 use that. | May 20 15:13 |
| baronhk[m]1 | ISO Strict that is. | May 20 15:13 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Technically MS Office has used OOXML Transitional since 2007. | May 20 15:14 |
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| techrights-bot | There's a conflict in the #freesw world between optimism and pessimism, I've found. Having spoken to longtime activists. On the one hand, free software is everywhere (libre I mean), but at the same time it's under IMMENSE attacks. For me, the way I see it, those attacks are signs of desperation from losing monopolies. THEY WILL NEVER ADMIT THIS OPENLY! | May 20 15:15 |
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| XRevan86 | > posted on github | May 20 15:32 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: rasengan posted on github | May 20 15:32 |
| techrights-bot | [Meme] The EPO's Very Special Dept. of Justice http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/meme-the-epos-very-special-dept-of-justice/ #epo #europe #patents #corruption #de | May 20 15:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] The EPO’s Very Special Dept. of Justice | Techrights | May 20 15:33 | |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: link? | May 20 15:33 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe we need a nitter for github | May 20 15:34 |
| schestowitz__ | to avoid linking to Microsoft spyware | May 20 15:34 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/88549ec34ee32d01629354e4075d2d48 still this one | May 20 15:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gist.github.com | Letter to freenode · GitHub | May 20 15:34 | |
| XRevan86 | it was the first link | May 20 15:34 |
| schestowitz__ | I saw that | May 20 15:34 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: Notice who posted ( https://github.com/realrasengan ) | May 20 15:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-realrasengan (rasengan) · GitHub | May 20 15:35 | |
| XRevan86 | he made the same choice, so… there is no difference. | May 20 15:35 |
| schestowitz__ | his github photo is the same as the 2013 gnome foundation photo | May 20 15:35 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: yes, I pointed this out | May 20 15:36 |
| schestowitz__ | (that he uses shithub | May 20 15:36 |
| schestowitz__ | but he used it even 4 years ago) | May 20 15:36 |
| schestowitz__ | back then RMS warned about it, even in 2015 | May 20 15:36 |
| schestowitz__ | before Microsoft | May 20 15:36 |
| schestowitz__ | "Handshake Fan." | May 20 15:36 |
| schestowitz__ | How to interpret that | May 20 15:36 |
| schestowitz__ | https://imperialfamily.com/ | May 20 15:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imperialfamily.com | Imperial Family Companies | May 20 15:37 | |
| schestowitz__ | Under "technology" is says Shells and Freenode | May 20 15:37 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: He likes Handshake very much, I assume that. | May 20 15:38 |
| schestowitz__ | that's andrew and his sibling | May 20 15:38 |
| schestowitz__ | Shells is not for me/us | May 20 15:38 |
| schestowitz__ | but for beginners I think | May 20 15:38 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe when he said he would take IRC to the next level he meant some sort of integration, which can explain Shells in the Freenode site | May 20 15:38 |
| XRevan86 | https://handshake.org/ this thing | May 20 15:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-handshake.org | Handshake | May 20 15:38 | |
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| schestowitz__ | as long as that does not disrupt irc.freenode.net operations, I don't mind much... | May 20 15:38 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: that's what I thought | May 20 15:38 |
| schestowitz__ | but does that mean it's him? | May 20 15:39 |
| schestowitz__ | someone inquired about it | May 20 15:39 |
| schestowitz__ | https://www.fsf.org/news/free-software-foundation-receives-1-million-from-handshake | May 20 15:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Free Software Foundation receives $1 million from Handshake — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free software | May 20 15:39 | |
| schestowitz__ | worth noting | May 20 15:39 |
| schestowitz__ | it does not imply collusion | May 20 15:40 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: Es ist er. | May 20 15:40 |
| schestowitz__ | but rather refutes such a theory | May 20 15:40 |
| zleap | who are handshake ? | May 20 15:40 |
| schestowitz__ | "Rob Myers of Handshake said, "The FSF is a worldwide leader in the fight to protect the rights of all computer users through its support for the production of free software, including the GNU operating system and its campaigns to raise awareness such as Defective by Design. Handshake is proud to be able to support the FSF in its important work to secure our freedom."" | May 20 15:40 |
| zleap | :) | May 20 15:40 |
| schestowitz__ | if they paid FSF with no strings attached, GREAT! | May 20 15:40 |
| schestowitz__ | better than dirty money | May 20 15:41 |
| schestowitz__ | like IBM money | May 20 15:41 |
| schestowitz__ | or Google | May 20 15:41 |
| schestowitz__ | which restrict what RMS and FSF at large can say publicly | May 20 15:41 |
| meo | money with no strings attached becomes dirty in a whiff | May 20 15:41 |
| schestowitz__ | for risk of non-renewal the next year | May 20 15:41 |
| schestowitz__ | meo: so show the strings | May 20 15:41 |
| schestowitz__ | same for pi fund | May 20 15:41 |
| schestowitz__ | which also paid sfc | May 20 15:42 |
| schestowitz__ | "John Sullivan, FSF's executive director, said, "Building on the $1 million Bitcoin gift from the Pineapple Fund earlier this year, and our record high number of individual associate members, it is clear that software freedom is more important than ever to the world. We are now at a pivotal moment in our history, on the cusp of making free software the 'kitchen table issue' it must be. Thanks to Handshake and our members, the Free | May 20 15:42 |
| schestowitz__ | Software Foundation looks forward to scaling to the next level of free software activism, development, and community."" | May 20 15:42 |
| schestowitz__ | I never thought this money played ANY role in the coup | May 20 15:42 |
| meo | most of the SJWs who mounted the attack on RMS and FSF met at seagl 2020, which was funded, in part, by redhat. No one back then thought it was dirty money. | May 20 15:42 |
| schestowitz__ | the coup seems to have been motivated and motored by media with monopoly connections | May 20 15:42 |
| schestowitz__ | meo: yes, red hat and ibm worry me more | May 20 15:42 |
| schestowitz__ | fsf never spoke about systemd negatively | May 20 15:43 |
| schestowitz__ | not even when this was critical back around 2014 | May 20 15:43 |
| schestowitz__ | rms also used to make excuses for mono until we raised the issues repeatedly with him | May 20 15:43 |
| meo | yeah but then GNU developed shepherd, which is actually a better tool in every way | May 20 15:43 |
| schestowitz__ | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/rms-on-mono.ogg | May 20 15:43 |
| meo | the whole shenanigans is why I dropped debian and switched to guix | May 20 15:44 |
| schestowitz__ | guix is not more rms-hostile than debian | May 20 15:44 |
| techrights-bot | #elive more than 12 years ago http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/elive-compiz-demo.ogg #debian #gnu #linux | May 20 15:45 |
| techrights-bot | #microsoft is a magnet for crazies with more greed or smell for money than tact http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/ballmer-developers.ogg | May 20 15:46 |
| schestowitz__ | "$100,000 for GNU Guix and GuixSD, a package manager supporting transactional upgrades and roll-backs, unprivileged package management, per-user profiles, and more, as well as a distribution of the GNU operating system using that package manager;" | May 20 15:47 |
| schestowitz__ | meo: from the fsf site | May 20 15:47 |
| baronhk[m]1 | https://vivaldi.com/blog/good-riddance-internet-explorer/ | May 20 15:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Good riddance, Internet Explorer! | Vivaldi Browser | May 20 15:47 | |
| meo | schestowitz__: yep. | May 20 15:47 |
| meo | dont get me wrong the guix project has a coc and SJWish people who went against RMS | May 20 15:48 |
| schestowitz__ | Even people who said abandon freenode told me that rasengan was well-meaning | May 20 15:48 |
| schestowitz__ | not all, but some | May 20 15:48 |
| meo | but the fact is, when redhat pulled the systemd stunt gnu responded with action | May 20 15:48 |
| meo | not words | May 20 15:48 |
| schestowitz__ | systemd's LP posted a blog post the other day | May 20 15:48 |
| schestowitz__ | first time in ages | May 20 15:48 |
| meo | (in point of fact, guix and shepherd predate this hubbub by years) | May 20 15:48 |
| schestowitz__ | indirect link: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151362 | May 20 15:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lennart Poettering: File Descriptor Limits | Tux Machines | May 20 15:49 | |
| schestowitz__ | it's still buddy | May 20 15:49 |
| schestowitz__ | *buggy | May 20 15:49 |
| schestowitz__ | it's like going back to the 90s | May 20 15:49 |
| schestowitz__ | with more hardware resources | May 20 15:49 |
| schestowitz__ | and using them up more | May 20 15:49 |
| schestowitz__ | with colours in terminal and "shiny" stuff most of us don't care for | May 20 15:49 |
| schestowitz__ | because we use this not on servers and we want quick boot, easy diagnostics etc. | May 20 15:50 |
| schestowitz__ | red hat/ibm want one-size-fits-all | May 20 15:50 |
| schestowitz__ | inc. wayland | May 20 15:50 |
| schestowitz__ | or xwayland | May 20 15:50 |
| schestowitz__ | as a bridge | May 20 15:50 |
| techrights-bot | The EPO's War on Justice and Assault on the Law -- Part 15 will likely be published tonight. It'll soon show how #EPO spies intensively on #techrights and people. Crazy fucking Mafia... right there in the centre of Munich's business hub! | May 20 15:51 |
| techrights-bot | #EPO stakeholders, you pay money (applications, renewals) for a bunch of aggressive crooks to hire lawyers to blackmail bloggers and for spies (literally connected to the Stasi via a firm called Desa) to eavesdrop on people who expose EPO #corruption | May 20 15:53 |
| *XRevan86 reads news | May 20 16:02 | |
| XRevan86 | FSIN (a successor to GULAG) plans to create labour camps, they say those camps won't be gulags. | May 20 16:02 |
| schestowitz__ | FSIN? | May 20 16:10 |
| schestowitz__ | sounds like a f* sin | May 20 16:10 |
| XRevan86 | The Federal Penitentiary Service (FSIN) | May 20 16:17 |
| techrights-bot | The Boards of Appeal are trying to get their act together; #Josefsson has been removed from case/referral G 1/21 and #IngoBeckedorf is rumoured to have also been replaced • ፕቿርዘዪጎኗዘፕነ ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/calle-josefsson-deposed/ •●• #Techrights #EPO | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/20/calle-josefsson-deposed/ | May 20 16:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Breaking EPO News Regarding G 1/21: Judge Calle Josefsson Deposed as Chairman | Techrights | May 20 16:18 | |
| techrights-bot | In 20 days of this month #gemini capsule of #techrights will have exceeded 100k requests (pages). Last month it was 104k in 30 days. #geminiSpace expands as #geminiProtocol gains in popularity. | May 20 16:20 |
| techrights-bot | #EPO has seen not even a figment of justice under the #BenoîtBattistelli and #AntónioCampinos regimes; it’s all theatrical, it’s fiction [Meme] The EPO’s Very Special Dept. of Justice • ፕቿርዘዪጎኗዘፕነ ⇨ http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/meme-the-epos-very-special-dept-of-justice/ •●• #Techrights #Europe | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/20/meme-the-epos-very-spec | May 20 16:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] The EPO’s Very Special Dept. of Justice | Techrights | May 20 16:21 | |
| schestowitz__ | US would have turned FSIN into a corporation | May 20 16:22 |
| schestowitz__ | and then "Create" more "job creators" | May 20 16:22 |
| schestowitz__ | "success stories" | May 20 16:22 |
| schestowitz__ | "self-made billionaire" | May 20 16:22 |
| XRevan86 | Chief Camp Administration (GULAG) → Chief Penitentiary Administration (GUIN) → Federal Penitentiary Service (FSIN) | May 20 16:22 |
| schestowitz__ | mad it big with a government contract | May 20 16:22 |
| schestowitz__ | *made | May 20 16:23 |
| XRevan86 | > But it seems like pretty much the whole catastrophe right now boils down to that. | May 20 16:26 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe, but what most of the staff considered crossing the line was the demand to give access to Freenode infrastructure, right? | May 20 16:26 |
| XRevan86 | I am still unsure about this bit, because according to rasengan he was asking back for access that was revoked, but the other party presents it very differently. | May 20 16:27 |
| XRevan86 | > (she’s female by the way) | May 20 16:29 |
| XRevan86 | Does that really need explicit clarification? | May 20 16:29 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: The Gentoo link needs to be updated. | May 20 16:32 |
| XRevan86 | Regarding "Crown Prince", the article on The Register references https://prnewswire.com/news-releases/andrew-lee-named-new-korean-crown-prince-300731986.html | May 20 16:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | Andrew Lee Named New Korean Crown Prince | May 20 16:34 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: So it's not some kind of slur, he is actually a Korean Crown Prince by title. | May 20 16:35 |
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| trttl | from what i understood what happened is not that complicated | May 20 16:46 |
| trttl | the then current now former staff was unhappy with the consequences of the agreements between christel and andrew lee (which is understandable and i think their concerns were/are very legit), so they took action and tried to force both of them out | May 20 16:46 |
| trttl | they succeeded with christel but the whole plot backfired when they wanted the domains and realized andrew lee/his company is the legal owner of the domains and likely has the legal right to use the freenode name | May 20 16:46 |
| trttl | guess that was the point when it became clear what time it was and they started putting together their own network | May 20 16:46 |
| trttl | and resignation drafts started leaking when things were more or less ready | May 20 16:47 |
| XRevan86 | trttl: I don't understand how tomaw got a hold on the domains account? | May 20 16:47 |
| XRevan86 | rasengan gave it and then tomaw removed rasengan from it? | May 20 16:47 |
| trttl | maybe the head of staff had access because andrew lee trusted christel but christel handed over her credentials to tomaw when she resigned | May 20 16:54 |
| XRevan86 | trttl: That doesn't sound plausible. | May 20 16:54 |
| trttl | because? | May 20 16:55 |
| XRevan86 | trttl: "after Christel had resigned, I was approached by the new Head of Staff, tomaw, who asked if he could have ownership over the domains. I responded with my wish to decentralize the network. Subsequently, I learned I was locked out of the account a few days later." | May 20 16:56 |
| XRevan86 | Was that response a deny? | May 20 16:57 |
| trttl | i think so yes | May 20 16:57 |
| XRevan86 | Then how did tomaw get access? | May 20 16:58 |
| trttl | just because you can log in to some account doesn't mean it's yours | May 20 16:58 |
| XRevan86 | trttl: I have a feeling like when rasengan talks about the account, he means something relating to freenode itself, not to the domains. | May 20 16:59 |
| XRevan86 | maybe his own personal account on the network? | May 20 17:00 |
| trttl | literally says he wanted ownership over the domains | May 20 17:00 |
| trttl | which was denied | May 20 17:00 |
| trttl | you can argue that andrew lee is lying but then there's not much to talk about | May 20 17:00 |
| XRevan86 | trttl: I argue that he wrote the explanation in such a way that it is open to interpretation. | May 20 17:01 |
| trttl | well that's my interpretation | May 20 17:03 |
| trttl | anyway the damage was done 4 years ago. if you sell something you can expect that the buyer would want to own it | May 20 17:06 |
| XRevan86 | trttl: Um, I think Libera.Chat can agree with that, so they left. | May 20 17:06 |
| XRevan86 | trttl: Ariadne wrote this: "Historically, freenode staff had stated that everything was under control and that Andrew’s involvement in freenode limited had no operational impact on the network. It turns out that Christel was lying to them: Andrew had operational control and legal authority over the freenode domains. This lead to several current volunteers drafting their resignation letters." | May 20 17:07 |
| XRevan86 | Her twist on it is not unique, it's just the one I have currently open in my browser. | May 20 17:08 |
| trttl | i read this and i don't see how is this contradicting what i said earlier | May 20 17:09 |
| XRevan86 | trttl: "Ye voted for Putin in 2000, hadn't ye, now suck it up" is not a valid argument. | May 20 17:10 |
| trttl | excuse me? | May 20 17:10 |
| rasengan | XRevan86: I'm in and out right now, but in regard to your question about the account - it was the domain that I was locked out of (which I had previously had full access to). | May 20 17:10 |
| XRevan86 | rasengan: So the head of Freenode staff had full access to the domains too? | May 20 17:11 |
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| CrystalMath | schestowitz__: after getting more information, i'm now sure that we should not move | May 20 17:11 |
| rasengan | XRevan86: Yes | May 20 17:11 |
| XRevan86 | rasengan: I guess that makes sense since they'd need control over the zone. | May 20 17:12 |
| rasengan | For sure | May 20 17:12 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz__: in other words, i stand in support of freenode | May 20 17:12 |
| XRevan86 | rasengan: So tomaw got access to the account as head of staff and then changed the password while not being the proper owner of that account? | May 20 17:14 |
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| rasengan | XRevan86: Almost -- what he did was he added 2FA which only he had the secondary auth for (and refused to disable it). | May 20 17:16 |
| XRevan86 | rasengan: How did he justify that? Security? | May 20 17:16 |
| trttl | lol | May 20 17:17 |
| rasengan | There really was no justification. | May 20 17:23 |
| rasengan | The timing having happened after asking me for ownership is why I struggle to justify that action. | May 20 17:23 |
| XRevan86 | What does "ownership" mean here? He wanted the domain names to be transferred to him from Freenode, Ltd.? | May 20 17:24 |
| rasengan | Yes | May 20 17:24 |
| XRevan86 | rasengan: One interpretation that comes to mind: tomaw after expelling christel saw that Freenode, Ltd. has control over the network and wanted to physically restrict that. Since legal measures (domain transfer) didn't work, he went for taking away operational control by adding 2FA, making himself the only person that could do things with the domains. | May 20 17:33 |
| XRevan86 | rasengan: I haven't talked to tomaw or anyone else from that camp, but it feels like the whole thing revolves around trust issues. | May 20 17:34 |
| rasengan | XRevan86: Or so they say. ;) | May 20 17:35 |
| XRevan86 | rasengan: tomaw clearly wanted to completely remove you from the equation. And ye clearly see him as someone who got hold on power and used it to usurp the whole network. | May 20 17:36 |
| rasengan | XRevan86: I'm going to share a timeline of events that's far more detailed with screenshots today to make it much more clear what was going on to everyone. | May 20 17:36 |
| XRevan86 | rasengan: On an unrelated note, has anyone who wanted to resign changed their mind? | May 20 17:38 |
| XRevan86 | Haven't heard of such an event, but it seems like a possibility and be good to know. | May 20 17:38 |
| rasengan | XRevan86: Not that I know of. | May 20 17:39 |
| XRevan86 | rasengan: How many people are left? Surely the network now needs to elect a new head of staff, a new head of web development, etc. | May 20 17:41 |
| rasengan | There are a few steps still to take but I agree with you on that | May 20 17:43 |
| XRevan86 | https://ariadne.space/2021/05/20/the-whole-freenode-kerfluffle/ "all he tried to do since christel stepped down was get his inhouse sysadmin access to everything; a business | May 20 18:07 |
| XRevan86 | should have access to its assets" | May 20 18:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ariadne.space | the whole freenode kerfluffle – Ariadne's Space | May 20 18:07 | |
| XRevan86 | rasengan: Was nirvana talking about the registrar account? | May 20 18:07 |
| *XRevan86 reads the paste and feels like every second word from nirvana rubs Ariadne the wrong way. | May 20 18:09 | |
| XRevan86 | "but. you can ban your enemies." – the heck | May 20 18:11 |
| trttl | yeah that nirvana dude is cringe | May 20 18:11 |
| XRevan86 | "i was just trying to make you laugh" – ah, hilarious. | May 20 18:11 |
| XRevan86 | nirvana talks about this very serious matter like it's a joke. | May 20 18:13 |
| MinceR | perhaps it's not as serious as most people think | May 20 18:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ariadne talks about a governance model, nirvana talks about "ill make sure you get +oO in #freenode" | May 20 18:14 |
| rasengan | Hey, so regarding nirvana, I'm pretty sure by the time he and Ariadne were speaking this had been about securing freenode, period. | May 20 18:17 |
| rasengan | As for the rest of the conversation he and Ariadne had, I think that's quite a bit taken out of context -- they are (or rather, I'd say were) friends and had worked together on things together in the past. That's how they spoke to each other usually (you can see how Ariadne really speaks in the freenode-staff-discussion log). | May 20 18:18 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: > (23:30:44) Ariadne: we are going to dissolve freenode limited and transfer the freenode assets to either the software freedom conservancy or linux foundation | May 20 18:18 |
| rasengan | Unfortunately, it appears there was a motive and agenda behind the conversation, logging of it and release thereof. | May 20 18:18 |
| alextee[m] | ^ lol is that real? | May 20 18:19 |
| alextee[m] | or joking? | May 20 18:19 |
| XRevan86 | alextee[m]: It's Ariadne's suggestion on what should be done. | May 20 18:20 |
| MinceR | i still find the idea of trusting the LF or the SFC with anything to be ludicrous | May 20 18:20 |
| alextee[m] | linux foundation and software freedom conservancy are the most corrupt organizations involved with free software | May 20 18:20 |
| alextee[m] | linux foundation even gives 100% of its proceeds to fund things completely unrelated with linux nor free software | May 20 18:21 |
| XRevan86 | rasengan: I'm still reading through, it feels like nirvana hasn't dived into the situation at all and was only there to recruit, and it wasn't what Ariadne wanted to hear at all. | May 20 18:22 |
| alextee[m] | not sure where that page is now but it used to say 100% of donations will be used to fund inclusivity and diversity | May 20 18:22 |
| MinceR | lol | May 20 18:23 |
| XRevan86 | From 23:44:00 on forward it gets more serious. | May 20 18:24 |
| XRevan86 | Discord's support agreed to just delete my blocked-out account. | May 20 18:29 |
| *XRevan86 mentioned that while reading the /kill portion of the paste. | May 20 18:30 | |
| XRevan86 | rasengan: Yea, I think that conversation clashed with Ariadne's vision of the Freenode's future very harshly. | May 20 18:36 |
| XRevan86 | Ho, I didn't know tomaw is uninvolved with Libera.Chat either. | May 20 18:36 |
| XRevan86 | So he was just thrown out everywhere? | May 20 18:36 |
| MinceR | he's also involved with OFTC | May 20 18:37 |
| MinceR | i guess we'll find out what his relationship with freenode and libera is on the long term | May 20 18:37 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: rasengan's involvement is pretty much to kick out tomaw | May 20 18:38 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: (00:00:44) Ariadne: you see it as an attack against freenode, when in reality, they are boycotting both you and tomaw. | May 20 18:39 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And that's what kaniini writes about Libera.Chat in that paste. | May 20 18:39 |
| MinceR | oh, i missed that tomaw stopped showing up in freenode/staff/* | May 20 18:40 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I mean, this whole thing revolves around the tomaw's and rasengan's conflict. | May 20 18:41 |
| XRevan86 | so of course | May 20 18:41 |
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| XRevan86 | Would it be weird if Freenode joined SPI? | May 20 18:52 |
| XRevan86 | now that's an organisation with good reputation | May 20 18:52 |
| MinceR | hasn't the SPI been corrupted by IBM? | May 20 18:57 |
| travankor | why should freenode join spi? | May 20 18:58 |
| travankor | rasenga n is in charge | May 20 18:59 |
| XRevan86 | travankor: If trust in governance is a problem, then having a trusted organisation as a mediator can help. | May 20 19:00 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Eh? | May 20 19:00 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: SPI has close ties with debian, allegedly also with systemd | May 20 19:00 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: With Debian – very much so. | May 20 19:00 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: With systemd – SPI accepts donations for systemd. | May 20 19:01 |
| MinceR | debian serves IBM's interests and has betrayed its users | May 20 19:01 |
| travankor | I was under the impression that it's bdfl style governance from here on out | May 20 19:02 |
| travankor | we're part of the royal family bros | May 20 19:03 |
| MinceR | i'm not feeling it | May 20 19:03 |
| travankor | bdfl or royal family? | May 20 19:03 |
| MinceR | the latter | May 20 19:03 |
| travankor | well, we have the princeling in here, don't we? | May 20 19:05 |
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| MinceR | yes, but we're not related to him | May 20 19:06 |
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| travankor | darn, i was hoping we could vicariously partake in the Joseon dynasty's glory, maybe as courtiers or something | May 20 19:13 |
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| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/21032937 | May 20 19:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5355410) | May 20 19:27 | |
| travankor | by the way, did anyone else see this: https://web.archive.org/web/20181207230330/https://www.irc.com/lets-take-irc-further | May 20 19:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Let's take IRC Further | May 20 19:30 | |
| travankor | when are we going to get IRC university et al? | May 20 19:30 |
| travankor | >We're going to have literally hundreds of thousands in cash prizes! | May 20 19:33 |
| travankor | >IRC Ventures (VC/Incubation on IRC!) | May 20 19:34 |
| travankor | >Free Education for the World | May 20 19:34 |
| travankor | am I the only person getting Trumpian vibes from these grandiose promises? | May 20 19:35 |
| psydroid | don't we have khan academy for that? | May 20 19:40 |
| travankor | khan is video-heavy, right | May 20 19:43 |
| travankor | i prefer text over video | May 20 19:43 |
| travankor | video-heavy instruction* | May 20 19:43 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54 | May 20 19:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-KHAAAAAAN! - YouTube | May 20 19:45 | |
| MinceR | also, i didn't know dump was into free education :> | May 20 19:47 |
| travankor | salespeople pitch whatever makes the masses sated | May 20 19:59 |
| scientes | XRevan86, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX5Hl8XN2Dg | May 20 20:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Georgia Will Become Muslim Soon! Entire Regions Being Sold Out to Turkish Emigres! - YouTube | May 20 20:00 | |
| scientes | what happened to the bot? | May 20 20:01 |
| scientes | I don't understand this "throw shit at a wall and see what sticks" approach. | May 20 20:01 |
| travankor | isn't that armenia not georgia | May 20 20:02 |
| scientes | the reporter is in Batumi, where I am now | May 20 20:02 |
| scientes | it is beyond rediculous | May 20 20:02 |
| *XRevan86 opens the video, listens to some heavy propaganda subtitled in English. | May 20 20:03 | |
| travankor | XRevan86: lol | May 20 20:03 |
| scientes | XRevan86, but the propoganda is so outlandish | May 20 20:03 |
| scientes | it is almost The Onion | May 20 20:03 |
| travankor | georgians betrayed the armenians | May 20 20:04 |
| travankor | video is from 2019 | May 20 20:04 |
| XRevan86 | Makes sense, that was the time when Russia blocked transit to Georgia. | May 20 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Ye can't surprise me, I have to live with it %). | May 20 20:05 |
| scientes | ok, it is just a differn't strategy from US propoganda | May 20 20:06 |
| scientes | so not familiar to me | May 20 20:06 |
| scientes | I saw a little CCCP propoganda for chinese, it was INTENSE | May 20 20:06 |
| scientes | all violence | May 20 20:06 |
| scientes | US propoganda is all about making people angry at clouds | May 20 20:07 |
| scientes | so that they are horrible conversation partners | May 20 20:07 |
| travankor | russia should just annex georgia honestly | May 20 20:07 |
| MinceR | Thought for the day: Violence solves everything. | May 20 20:07 |
| scientes | travankor, there was a MP who suggested annexing Armenia and Azerbaijan | May 20 20:08 |
| scientes | travankor, you have no idea what you are talking about | May 20 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I like how the reporter asks a guy who works at a restaurant, he readily responds, talks about his work, the goods he's making | May 20 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | and it's all painted as a foreign evil that's overtaking Georgia | May 20 20:09 |
| travankor | georgian are very xenophobic from what i've heard | May 20 20:09 |
| travankor | they even treat their armenian neighbours terribly | May 20 20:09 |
| scientes | "from what i've heard" | May 20 20:09 |
| scientes | travankor, you should travel | May 20 20:10 |
| scientes | not just to georgia, but outside of your mother's basement | May 20 20:10 |
| XRevan86 | > It is always clean at the Turkish restaurants | May 20 20:10 |
| XRevan86 | hehehehe | May 20 20:10 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yeah, that's a good one. Some Turkish restaurants, maybe. Turkish quarter, no, not really. | May 20 20:11 |
| schestowitz__ | [17:12] <CrystalMath> schestowitz__: in other words, i stand in support of freenode | May 20 20:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Not sure what you saw... | May 20 20:12 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz__: i was just reviewing all the facts | May 20 20:13 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Anyway, it isn't healthy to listen to Russian propaganda, because it doesn't shy away from blatantly lying, not just twisting facts. | May 20 20:13 |
| scientes | грузия? | May 20 20:13 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yeah, that is why I posted it | May 20 20:13 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: In general. | May 20 20:13 |
| scientes | I am living here, and it is so far from reality to resemble The Onion | May 20 20:13 |
| schestowitz__ | [18:22] <alextee[m]> not sure where that page is now but it used to say 100% of donations will be used to fund inclusivity and diversity | May 20 20:14 |
| schestowitz__ | This a lie | May 20 20:14 |
| schestowitz__ | a lady who helps us research looked into it | May 20 20:14 |
| schestowitz__ | and found http://techrights.org/2019/03/26/lf-define-support/ | May 20 20:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guest Post: The Linux Foundation Needs to Define “Support” | Techrights | May 20 20:14 | |
| scientes | schestowitz__, as is anything that funds "inclusivity and diversity" | May 20 20:14 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It is also why everyone tells never to participate in state-sponsored television, because if they want ye in there, they ye'll be used as a tool. | May 20 20:14 |
| XRevan86 | * want you | May 20 20:15 |
| scientes | XRevan86, it is also like participating with The Onion | May 20 20:15 |
| schestowitz__ | [18:57] <MinceR> hasn't the SPI been corrupted by IBM? | May 20 20:15 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: you sound like Elminster with all those "ye"s :> | May 20 20:15 |
| scientes | it can only hurt your reputation | May 20 20:15 |
| schestowitz__ | Google and Microsoft mostly | May 20 20:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ye said it exactly at the point when I misused it :) | May 20 20:15 |
| MinceR | schestowitz__: it's all a big happy family now, isn't it? | May 20 20:15 |
| *scientes wishes he knew where the Turkish hammam in Batumi was | May 20 20:16 | |
| schestowitz__ | MinceR: overlapping interests | May 20 20:17 |
| MinceR | they'd all be one government institution together, if the state didn't intend to maintain an illusion of competition | May 20 20:17 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Orthodox Christianity is in danger, can't ye see!? | May 20 20:20 |
| travankor | XRevan86: lol | May 20 20:20 |
| MinceR | it would be nice if the rest of abrahamism was also in danger | May 20 20:21 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/AqlY3UFqEdc only a Different Path can save it | May 20 20:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Путин путь иной - YouTube | May 20 20:21 | |
| techrights-bot | #Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151392 #Linux #TuxMachines | May 20 20:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | May 20 20:21 | |
| techrights-bot | #LLVM #Clang 12 #Compiler Is Performing Very Well For AMD #Ryzen 9 5950X / Zen 3 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151391 #TuxMachines | May 20 20:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LLVM Clang 12 Compiler Is Performing Very Well For AMD Ryzen 9 5950X / Zen 3 | Tux Machines | May 20 20:22 | |
| XRevan86 | (scientes and MinceR know a little Russian and may be able to appreciate this video) | May 20 20:22 |
| techrights-bot | #Gnome : New Human Interface Guidelines • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151390 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #gtk | May 20 20:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gnome: New Human Interface Guidelines | Tux Machines | May 20 20:22 | |
| techrights-bot | Best Alternatives To #CentOS 8 In 2021 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151389 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #rhel | May 20 20:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Alternatives To CentOS 8 In 2021 | Tux Machines | May 20 20:23 | |
| scientes | XRevan86, the slant on the propoganda is so think that it makes me think the only way to get people to swallow it is with lots of violence | May 20 20:24 |
| techrights-bot | #Nezha RISC-V Linux SBC launched for $99 and up • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151388 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | May 20 20:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nezha RISC-V Linux SBC launched for $99 and up | Tux Machines | May 20 20:24 | |
| techrights-bot | #TUXEDO’s Latest Linux Laptop is All About the Screen • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151387 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | May 20 20:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TUXEDO’s Latest Linux Laptop is All About the Screen | Tux Machines | May 20 20:24 | |
| scientes | (which is certainly what the CCCP propoganda I saw was) | May 20 20:24 |
| techrights-bot | #Chrome OS’s Linux app support is leaving beta • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘x http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151386 | May 20 20:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chrome OS’s Linux app support is leaving beta | Tux Machines | May 20 20:24 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The modus-operandi is an informational vacuum | May 20 20:24 |
| scientes | ahhh | May 20 20:25 |
| scientes | yes, Soviet continuation | May 20 20:25 |
| scientes | XRevan86, but is there like 2 levels? One level is the continuous "us good, them evil" slants | May 20 20:25 |
| scientes | but I guess like most propoganda it changes so fast, and it is generally contradictive, and doesn't care that it is | May 20 20:26 |
| scientes | US propoganda modus operandi is creating an environment where it is impossible to talk about problems | May 20 20:26 |
| scientes | by filling heads with prejudice | May 20 20:27 |
| travankor | good thing Ukrainians don't listen to muscovites | May 20 20:27 |
| XRevan86 | travankor: Have ye heard of Shariy? | May 20 20:28 |
| travankor | russian stooge? | May 20 20:30 |
| XRevan86 | travankor: yea | May 20 20:30 |
| travankor | russians try be very psychologically manipulative | May 20 20:31 |
| scientes | XRevan86, the information vacum makes sense, that way they can keep shipping off the money of the one-industry towns | May 20 20:31 |
| scientes | travankor, little Dostoevskys | May 20 20:32 |
| XRevan86 | travankor: And being very blunt about it. | May 20 20:32 |
| scientes | Crime and More Crime | May 20 20:32 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yeah, still haven't gotten use to that | May 20 20:32 |
| scientes | most distinct from South America | May 20 20:32 |
| XRevan86 | I think they are getting more and more blunt over the years. | May 20 20:32 |
| scientes | like how they just showed up and put the president of the far east in prison in moscow? | May 20 20:33 |
| XRevan86 | I meant propaganda. | May 20 20:33 |
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| XRevan86 | but actions too | May 20 20:33 |
| scientes | similar to the assassination of Gaddafi minus the assassination and bombing | May 20 20:33 |
| AdmFubar | https://hackaday.com/2021/05/20/freenode-debacle-prompts-staff-exodus-new-network/ | May 20 20:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Freenode Debacle Prompts Staff Exodus, New Network | Hackaday | May 20 20:34 | |
| techrights-bot | #Ubuntu Podcast from the UK LoCo: S14E11 – Pigs Eating Shot https://ubuntupodcast.org/2021/05/20/s14e11-pigs-eating-shot/ #gnu #linux | May 20 20:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntupodcast.org | S14E11 – Pigs Eating Shot | Ubuntu Podcast | May 20 20:34 | |
| techrights-bot | #nvidia #openwashing https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/nvidia-update-their-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 | May 20 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NVIDIA update their NVAPI open source interface helping "Windows emulation environments" | GamingOnLinux | May 20 20:35 | |
| XRevan86 | rasengan: "Eventually, he and his associates started to seek out and install new staff members on the authority of the so-called “Freenode Board”, an entity which until that at point in time, did not exist." | May 20 20:36 |
| scientes | XRevan86, he also found out he was a descendent of a Koran royal family | May 20 20:37 |
| scientes | so now the news also says "Korean prince" | May 20 20:37 |
| scientes | or some other nonsense | May 20 20:37 |
| XRevan86 | AdmFubar: I think they messed up the timeline. | May 20 20:37 |
| MinceR | how long until the next upgrade? | May 20 20:37 |
| MinceR | king, emperor, something | May 20 20:37 |
| scientes | CÆSER | May 20 20:37 |
| techrights-bot | #Microphone noise suppression app NoiseTorch has a new release with early PipeWire support • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151393 I really love #NoiseTorch http://techrights.org/2021/02/24/noisetorch-primer/ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | May 20 20:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microphone noise suppression app NoiseTorch has a new release with early PipeWire support | Tux Machines | May 20 20:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Trying Out NoiseTorch to Reduce Background Sound/Noise in GNU/Linux | Techrights | May 20 20:38 | |
| MinceR | :> | May 20 20:38 |
| scientes | MinceR, doesn't quite top the Chinese Emperors, who always claims that they ruled the entire world | May 20 20:39 |
| XRevan86 | AdmFubar: "Clearly, we haven’t heard the last of this story" – for sure. | May 20 20:39 |
| techrights-bot | The company in #spain that makes #gnu #linux laptops that don't cost too much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66RBQXf4FI0 #Slimbook | May 20 20:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FINALLY an affordable LINUX LAPTOP? - Slimbook Essential 14 - YouTube | May 20 20:39 | |
| MinceR | :> | May 20 20:39 |
| MinceR | i guess china invented the american worldview before the usa existed :> | May 20 20:39 |
| XRevan86 | Imperialism is not new? | May 20 20:40 |
| scientes | Yeah, but they don't have the ability to turn the water off to all of southeast asia | May 20 20:40 |
| MinceR | :> | May 20 20:40 |
| scientes | the Mekong river | May 20 20:41 |
| scientes | they will remake Apocolypse Now! where at the end there is a giant panda | May 20 20:41 |
| scientes | that likes to eat honey | May 20 20:41 |
| scientes | and has "Winnie the Pooh" written on his house | May 20 20:41 |
| schestowitz__ | "longpanda" makes ventoy | May 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz__ | which I'm told might be a privacy risk | May 20 20:42 |
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| schestowitz__ | people who say that overlook US spying | May 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz__ | so it's a little ludicrous | May 20 20:42 |
| MinceR | is that like long pig? | May 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz__ | pigtails | May 20 20:43 |
| alextee[m] | schestowitz__: i'm pretty sure there was a page that said 100% of the funds will go to diversity programs | May 20 20:43 |
| alextee[m] | i'll look for it | May 20 20:43 |
| techrights-bot | "To give a shout out to TNgineers, they worked with us on sorting out Linux gamepad support as Game Maker Studio does some really weird things with their #GNU #Linux support." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/chilled-out-super-sweet-bee-keeping-game-apico-has-a-huge-new-demo-out | May 20 20:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chilled-out super sweet Bee keeping game APICO has a huge new demo out | GamingOnLinux | May 20 20:44 | |
| alextee[m] | i remember seeing it under the linux foundation's official web site | May 20 20:44 |
| scientes | alextee[m], you can send the funds to me | May 20 20:44 |
| scientes | I am diverse | May 20 20:44 |
| scientes | I exist in many places at the same time | May 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz__ | alextee[m]: it's corporate feelgood | May 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz__ | and contributes to gcc | May 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz__ | which compiles linux | May 20 20:44 |
| scientes | they don't contribute to gcc | May 20 20:45 |
| scientes | that would require technical competence | May 20 20:45 |
| alextee[m] | do they? how? | May 20 20:45 |
| techrights-bot | #GodotEngine needs more funding for post-4.0 development https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/godot-engine-needs-more-funding-for-post-40-development if they have more resources, maybe they can set up their own #gitlab that they control and #deletegithub for project sovereignty | May 20 20:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Godot Engine needs more funding for post-4.0 development | GamingOnLinux | May 20 20:46 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/05/big-tech-goes-all-in-to-thwart-right-to-repair-initiatives.html | May 20 20:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nakedcapitalism.com | Big Tech Goes All In to Thwart Right to Repair Initiatives | naked capitalism | May 20 20:47 | |
| techrights-bot | #freesw good, but better to #deletegithub which is #proprietarySoftware https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/if-you-love-heroes-of-might-and-magic-ii-do-check-out-this-open-source-reimplementation #github is not a friend of software but a force of occupation: http://techrights.org/2020/06/15/confessions-of-scott-guthrie/ | May 20 20:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-If you love Heroes of Might and Magic II do check out this open source reimplementation | GamingOnLinux | May 20 20:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Story About Microsoft’s Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | Techrights | May 20 20:47 | |
| schestowitz__ | AdmFubar: as one might expected | May 20 20:48 |
| schestowitz__ | we need to thwart "big tech" | May 20 20:48 |
| schestowitz__ | whatever that is | May 20 20:48 |
| schestowitz__ | nebulous concept | May 20 20:48 |
| techrights-bot | Looks like Trust Factor in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive on GNU/Linux is fixed for Mesa | GamingOnLinux ⇨ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/looks-like-trust-factor-in-counter-strike-global-offensive-on-linux-is-fixed-for-mesa •●• #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games #Gaming 🐧 | May 20 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Looks like Trust Factor in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive on Linux is fixed for Mesa | GamingOnLinux | May 20 20:49 | |
| MinceR | my wallet is diverse | May 20 20:49 |
| MinceR | adding some USD to EUR to it would make it even more diverse | May 20 20:50 |
| schestowitz__ | LF isn't opinion-diverse | May 20 20:51 |
| schestowitz__ | also not OS-diverse | May 20 20:51 |
| alextee[m] | i found it | May 20 20:51 |
| alextee[m] | https://s2.desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/g/image/1603/89/1603892930394.png | May 20 20:51 |
| alextee[m] | this was the exact text | May 20 20:51 |
| schestowitz__ | they need to hire people who ACTUALLY USE "Linux" | May 20 20:51 |
| alextee[m] | now i hope people in that thread posted the link to it. i remember visiting it | May 20 20:51 |
| alextee[m] | https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/linux%20foundation%20diversity/ this is the thread | May 20 20:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-desuarchive.org | /g/ - Technology » Searching for posts that contain ‘linux foundation diversity’. | May 20 20:52 | |
| alextee[m] | er that's the search wait lol | May 20 20:52 |
| scientes | XRevan86, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE40-xC107E | May 20 20:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is This Place Real? (Barentsburg) - YouTube | May 20 20:53 | |
| alextee[m] | https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/78413039 here, no links | May 20 20:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-desuarchive.org | /g/ - Technology » Thread #78413039 | May 20 20:53 | |
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| alextee[m] | people in the thread also mention that it was on the linux foundation's website. i guess it's gone now and I can't find a link | May 20 20:55 |
| techrights-bot | Christian Schaller: New opportunities in the Red Hat Desktop team https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2021/05/20/new-opportunities-in-the-red-hat-desktop-team/ #redhat #ibm | May 20 20:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | New opportunities in the Red Hat Desktop team — Christian F.K. Schaller | May 20 20:55 | |
| scientes | That is a weird job posting | May 20 20:56 |
| scientes | considering that Red Hat was behind a MASSIVE reverse engineering job on the nouveau driver | May 20 20:56 |
| techrights-bot | #Games : APICO, Godot, and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151394 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | May 20 20:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: APICO, Godot, and More | Tux Machines | May 20 20:57 | |
| MinceR | alextee[m]: maybe it's still on archive.org | May 20 20:58 |
| MinceR | or archive.is | May 20 20:58 |
| techrights-bot | "The benefits of having IBM's endless deep pockets. Billions and billions and billions for Linux. #RedHat was already no slouch before the merger. Does #QT have an #IBM of its own behind it? (I genuinely don't know)" https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1257348-red-hat-is-hiring-even-more-graphics-engineers | May 20 20:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Red Hat Is Hiring Even More Graphics Engineers - Phoronix Forums | May 20 20:58 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/05/known-stock-market-leverage-hits-wtf-high-out-the-other-side-of-its-mouth-the-fed-warns-about-hidden-leverage-that-blew-up-archegos.html | May 20 20:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nakedcapitalism.com | Known Stock Market Leverage Hits WTF High. Out the Other Side of Its Mouth, the Fed Warns About Hidden Leverage that Blew up Archegos | naked capitalism | May 20 20:59 | |
| alextee[m] | MinceR: I'll check later, bbl | May 20 20:59 |
| techrights-bot | "Racial equity can fix this cloud problem" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aW71VrT#replies | May 20 21:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM Cloud’s biggest region hit by five-hour Severity One brownout - post regarding IBM layoffs | May 20 21:00 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.notebookcheck.net/It-s-official-The-Mac-has-a-security-problem.540293.0.html | May 20 21:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It's official: The Mac has a security problem - NotebookCheck.net News | May 20 21:01 | |
| techrights-bot | "If you stay with IBM, be prepared for them to cut you at any time. And always be looking for a better job with a better company than the one you are currently with. There is a great life beyond #IBM - take a peek!" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aWWuTE5#replies | May 20 21:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | What should an employee do? - post regarding IBM layoffs | May 20 21:01 | |
| techrights-bot | "Work the least, take the maximum time off, take advantage of any learning opportunities while at IBM... #IBM will never reward you if you work hard." https://www.thelayoff.com/post/@ydc+1aWWuTE5 | May 20 21:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Post @ydc+1aWWuTE5 re: "What should an..." (regarding IBM) | May 20 21:01 | |
| MinceR | ah, casus belli to lock third party applications out even harder | May 20 21:01 |
| MinceR | the cupertino mafia already made it hard to run applications like xonotic on macos, i guess soon they'll make it even harder to sideload applications | May 20 21:02 |
| techrights-bot | "Quantum always reminds me of the bubble storage IBM advertised back in the 1960’s. How did that work out.. Yes, but this is 10+ years away to see any revenues... so, this is not relevant in today's market. And the way #IBM hypes it (as usual), they will probably not see a penny!" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aWjOhh3#replies | May 20 21:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Quantum Computing - post regarding IBM layoffs | May 20 21:02 | |
| techrights-bot | #BodhiLinux 6 - Full Review http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151289#comment-29693 new #gnu #linux review... | May 20 21:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | What’s New in Bodhi Linux 6? 4 New Updates to Look Out For | Tux Machines | May 20 21:05 | |
| techrights-bot | #BSDNow : The #Linuxulator Investment https://www.bsdnow.tv/403 #OPNsense #NetBSD #BSD | May 20 21:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bsdnow.tv | BSD Now 403: The Linuxulator Investment | May 20 21:07 | |
| techrights-bot | The Best #PowerPoint Alternatives for GNU/Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151395 First section is #freesw options. #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | May 20 21:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Best PowerPoint Alternatives for Linux | Tux Machines | May 20 21:12 | |
| techrights-bot | This soft tactile sensor can simultaneously estimate the contact force and location | Arduino Blog ⇨ https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/05/20/this-soft-sensor-can-simultaneously-estimate-the-contact-force-and-location/ •●• #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/20/#latest | May 20 21:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | This soft tactile sensor can simultaneously estimate the contact force and location | Arduino Blog | May 20 21:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | May 20 21:13 | |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: █▅▄▅▆▅▅▅▄▅▇▁▄▅▅▁▃▆▄▆▆▆▄▄▅▄▆▅▅▃▄▄▅▁ avg(k/sec) 28.06 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▁▂▂▂▂▁▂▂█▂▂▂█▁▁▂▂▂▂▂▁▂▃▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▁ avg(k/sec) 59.40▕ swarm size (avg): 225.10 ⟲ | May 20 21:15 |
| techrights-bot | How to install #UbuntuDDE Remix 21.04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5dZTWx_7rc #gnu #linux | May 20 21:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to install UbuntuDDE Remix 21.04 - YouTube | May 20 21:17 | |
| techrights-bot | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151396 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | May 20 21:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | May 20 21:22 | |
| MinceR | https://pleated-jeans.com/2021/05/12/dark-cursed-comments/ | May 20 21:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleated-jeans.com | Now That’s Hilariou…Wait, No, That’s Actually Kinda Disturbing (30 Pics) | May 20 21:23 | |
| techrights-bot | #Intel Alder Lake P, XeLPD Display Enablement Sent In Ahead Of Linux 5.14 - Phoronix ⇨ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Alder-Lake-P-Linux-5.14 •●• #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/20/#latest | May 20 21:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Alder Lake P, XeLPD Display Enablement Sent In Ahead Of Linux 5.14 - Phoronix | May 20 21:23 | |
| techrights-bot | "Last month, we wrote about Allwinner D1 SBC & processor that promised to offer a relatively low-cost #RISCV #Linux solution. We were not given a name at the time, but there was a logo of Nezha, a fictional character from Chinese literature." https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/05/20/nezha-risc-v-linux-sbc/ | May 20 21:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Nezha RISC-V Linux SBC launched for $99 and up - CNX Software | May 20 21:25 | |
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| techrights-bot | "The channel on Freenode is still active, but may be closed in the near future." No reason to. Be on both if you need to. Fair enough. https://blog.remirepo.net/post/2021/05/20/remirepo-IRC-channel-on-Libera-network | May 20 21:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.remirepo.net | #remirepo IRC channel on Libera network - Remi's RPM repository - Blog | May 20 21:29 | |
| techrights-bot | I've seen no strong reason to leave #Freenode ... don't follow the herd. Freenode still works fine. | May 20 21:30 |
| techrights-bot | #zdnet on behalf of #ibm and #linuxfoundation : MASTER as a word is RACIST! Offensive, insensitive. Also ZDNet, when paid for spam: mastering... mastering... mastering... mastering... https://www.zdnet.com/article/learn-all-about-linux-ubuntu-and-more-for-just-20/ | May 20 21:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Learn all about Linux, Ubuntu, and more for just $20 | ZDNet | May 20 21:31 | |
| techrights-bot | #ibm is just making a CARICATURE of otherwise LEGITIMATE race issues. It's trying hard to confuse and distract the public from, e.g. http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-germany-history/ | May 20 21:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | Techrights | May 20 21:33 | |
| techrights-bot | #TechRepublic - which is part of #zdnet (a MARKETING firm runs them, NOT a news site!) - is still spamming for #microsoft #azure ... which has LAYOFFS. And they pay a Microsoft operative, Simon Bisson, to do so... | May 20 21:35 |
| techrights-bot | Linux App Support on #Chromebooks is Coming Out of Beta http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151386#comment-29696 #google too is trying to redefine what #gnu #linux is or means | May 20 21:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chrome OS’s Linux app support is leaving beta | Tux Machines | May 20 21:36 | |
| techrights-bot | "I installed #KDENeon on the main studio PC and not really liking it. Let's just go back to Debian and my first livestream install when I had 1,000 subs." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ2Qaar_p_w #kde #gnu #linux | May 20 21:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Back to Debian - Distrohop Week - YouTube | May 20 21:38 | |
| alextee[m] | schestowitz__: MinceR https://web.archive.org/web/20201026045337/https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/donate/ | May 20 21:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Donate to Support Open Source – The Linux Foundation | May 20 21:39 | |
| alextee[m] | this was their main donation page | May 20 21:40 |
| alextee[m] | clearly says 100% of donations received go towards funding diversity programs. | May 20 21:40 |
| MinceR | indeed | May 20 21:40 |
| techrights-bot | #ibm wants you to add complexity. Because it sells. https://developer.ibm.com/blogs/build-smart-on-kubernetes-challenge-think-2021-winners/ | May 20 21:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.ibm.com | Announcing the winners of the Build Smart on Kubernetes Challenge 2021 – IBM Developer | May 20 21:42 | |
| techrights-bot | Audiocasts/Shows: Debian/KDE Neon, #BSDNow , TLLTS, #Slimbook and Ubuntu Podcast • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151397 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | May 20 21:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: Debian/KDE Neon, BSDNow, TLLTS, Slimbook and Ubuntu Podcast | Tux Machines | May 20 21:43 | |
| psydroid | TechRepublic in the old days | May 20 21:44 |
| techrights-bot | " #Kubernetes is about giving up control. As someone who likes to understand what’s going on that’s made it hard for me to embrace it. I’ve also mostly been able to ignore it, which has helped. However I’m aware it’s incredibly popular, and there’s some infrastructure at work that uses it." https://www.earth.li/~noodles/blog/2021/05/losing-control-to-k8s.html | May 20 21:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.earth.li | Losing control to Kubernetes | May 20 21:44 | |
| psydroid | https://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/why-does-microsoft-hate-linux/ | May 20 21:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why does Microsoft hate Linux? - TechRepublic | May 20 21:44 | |
| scientes | psydroid, is that a question? | May 20 21:44 |
| psydroid | not mine | May 20 21:45 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUrJdsN_-B0 | May 20 21:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gimli Destroys the Ring - YouTube | May 20 21:45 | |
| MinceR | lol | May 20 21:46 |
| techrights-bot | "#1 thing to do is to stop caring about IBM. The declines will probably continue, and it is hard to watch something you care about die. But the stress is not worth it. So stop caring." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aWWuTE5#replies #ibm #layoffs | May 20 21:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | What should an employee do? - post regarding IBM layoffs | May 20 21:49 | |
| techrights-bot | Both companies are lying. They will say or resell whatever awful "tech" makes them money https://www.biometricupdate.com/202105/amazon-microsoft-say-theyll-do-whats-right-on-biometrics-but-suits-raise-questions see http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/ | May 20 21:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.biometricupdate.com | Amazon, Microsoft say they’ll do what’s right on biometrics, but suits raise questions | Biometric Update | May 20 21:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights | May 20 21:52 | |
| XRevan86 | https://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2021-05/msg01057.html | May 20 21:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.xenproject.org | Xen project Mailing List | May 20 21:53 | |
| techrights-bot | "Linux for Chromebooks" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151386#comment-29699 #Chromebooks #gnu #linux | May 20 21:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chrome OS’s Linux app support is leaving beta | Tux Machines | May 20 21:56 | |
| MinceR | is this the same ian jackson as the one who used to be debian project leader? | May 20 21:56 |
| MinceR | and CTTE member | May 20 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That would be a reasonable assumption. | May 20 21:56 |
| MinceR | that one has also signed the hatchet job against RMS | May 20 21:57 |
| XRevan86 | and left a Debian committee over systemd | May 20 21:57 |
| *AdmFubar (~mradmin@2600:1700:8261:417f::e79) has left #techrights | May 20 21:59 | |
| baronhk[m]1 | Not libav? 😎 | May 20 22:00 |
| *XRevan86 reads https://paste.sr.ht/~ircwright/7e751d2162e4eb27cba25f6f8893c1f38930f7c4 | May 20 22:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-crown-prince-getting-owned.txt — paste.sr.ht | May 20 22:01 | |
| XRevan86 | > The freenode limited board does not recognize you | May 20 22:03 |
| trttl | yeah that log with joepie's childish manipulative questions | May 20 22:04 |
| baronhk[m]1 | LibAV was retarded and exposed people to rotting codecs with security problems and not a lot else before it was finally abandoned. | May 20 22:04 |
| trttl | that person is the most annoying being on the internet | May 20 22:04 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Debian makes a lot of bad decisions. | May 20 22:04 |
| XRevan86 | Freenode didn't recognise the Freenode Board's authority over it. | May 20 22:05 |
| techrights-bot | Shenandoah garbage collection in #OpenJDK 16: Concurrent reference processing https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2021/05/20/shenandoah-garbage-collection-openjdk-16-concurrent-reference-processing #java #programming | May 20 22:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Shenandoah garbage collection in OpenJDK 16: Concurrent reference processing | Red Hat Developer | May 20 22:05 | |
| baronhk[m]1 | Eventually there were so many open CVEs in LibAV that had been fixed in FFmpeg that switching back became an emergency. | May 20 22:06 |
| baronhk[m]1 | But Debian delayed doing so anyway. | May 20 22:06 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Meanwhile, they managed to break automated conversation scripts on Debian twice. | May 20 22:08 |
| techrights-bot | #Graphics : Intel, #NVIDIA and #Mesa • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151399 #Linux #TuxMachines | May 20 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: Intel, NVIDIA and Mesa | Tux Machines | May 20 22:09 | |
| techrights-bot | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151398 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | May 20 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines | May 20 22:09 | |
| techrights-bot | Browser fuzzing at #Mozilla https://blog.mozilla.org/attack-and-defense/2021/05/20/browser-fuzzing-at-mozilla/ #Firefox #security | May 20 22:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Browser fuzzing at Mozilla – Attack & Defense | May 20 22:10 | |
| techrights-bot | #Tuxedo Infinity Book Pro 14 is a Linux laptop with Intel Tiger http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151387#comment-29700 #gnu #linux | May 20 22:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TUXEDO’s Latest Linux Laptop is All About the Screen | Tux Machines | May 20 22:14 | |
| MinceR | https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/funny-pictures-5-12-21-24.jpg | May 20 22:15 |
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| techrights-bot | #proprietarySoftware https://www.nextgov.com/podcasts/2021/05/critical-update-do-you-know-whats-your-software/174100/ | May 20 22:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Critical Update: Do You Know What’s In Your Software? - Nextgov | May 20 22:17 | |
| baronhk[m]1 | MinceR Dahmer baited gay men and ate them after having sex with them. | May 20 22:18 |
| baronhk[m]1 | One of them escaped and had been drugged. The cops returned him to Dahmer and we're on tape laughing about it. | May 20 22:18 |
| MinceR | who is "we"? | May 20 22:18 |
| baronhk[m]1 | *were | May 20 22:18 |
| MinceR | oh. | May 20 22:18 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Fucking autocorrect. | May 20 22:18 |
| techrights-bot | Same people who worked super-hard to cancel RMS and Torvalds https://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2021-05/msg01057.html | May 20 22:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.xenproject.org | Xen project Mailing List | May 20 22:19 | |
| techrights-bot | #Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151400 #Linux #TuxMachines | May 20 22:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | May 20 22:19 | |
| baronhk[m]1 | To serve and protect. | May 20 22:20 |
| MinceR | giving humans power over other humans worked out as it usually does | May 20 22:20 |
| XRevan86 | "Same people who worked super-hard to cancel RMS and Torvalds" – proofs? | May 20 22:21 |
| baronhk[m]1 | About the best you can do with the police is try to avoid drawing their attention. Often even when you're the victim of a crime. | May 20 22:21 |
| techrights-bot | #Sonoff & #Tuya smart plugs found to transmit unencrypted passwords - CNX Software ⇨ https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/05/20/sonoff-tuya-smart-plugs-found-to-transmit-unencrypted-passwords/ •●• #security #Hardware #cnxsoftware | May 20 22:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Sonoff & Tuya smart plugs found to transmit unencrypted passwords - CNX Software | May 20 22:21 | |
| techrights-bot | Different buzzwords, very often used in #surveillance context https://ubuntu.com//blog/data-lake-data-lab-data-hub-whats-the-difference | May 20 22:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Data Lake, Data Lab, Data Hub: what’s the difference? | Ubuntu | May 20 22:23 | |
| schestowitz__ | [21:57] <MinceR> that one has also signed the hatchet job against RMS | May 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | yes, you beat me to it | May 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | [22:19] <techrights-bot> Same people who worked super-hard to cancel RMS and Torvalds https://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2021-05/msg01057.html | May 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz__ | http://techrights.org/2020/09/03/linus-debconf-linusgate/ | May 20 22:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ‘Linusgate’ Leaked: Over 250 Messages About Code of Conduct Complaints Against Linus Torvalds | Techrights | May 20 22:25 | |
| schestowitz__ | " | May 20 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | I am told that Linus was sent the CoC. None of the rest of the | May 20 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | attendees to Debconf was grilled by the organisers to extract a | May 20 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | promise to behave themselves. | May 20 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | " | May 20 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | -Ian | May 20 22:25 |
| schestowitz__ | http://schestowitz.com/Selected_Mail/2020/debconf-torvalds-private/msg00171.html | May 20 22:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Re: Code of Conduct complaint about Linus's comments at DC14 | May 20 22:25 | |
| schestowitz__ | " | May 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz__ | I think attacking a specific organisation is worse than attacking a | May 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz__ | class defined by a behaviour. But I agree that such a statement, put | May 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz__ | so baldly, would be troublesome. | May 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Stefano's talk clearly implied a negative view of some corporations, | May 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz__ | certainly, and shows that it's possible to be respectful while being | May 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz__ | passionate, critical, and clear. | May 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz__ | Ian. | May 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz__ | " | May 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz__ | http://schestowitz.com/Selected_Mail/2020/debconf-torvalds-private/msg00013.html | May 20 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Re: Code of Conduct complaint about Linus's comments at DC14 | May 20 22:26 | |
| schestowitz__ | So... | May 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz__ | cannot criticise an org? | May 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz__ | f-ing weird | May 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe I can be banished for 'badmouthing' racist IBM | May 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz__ | http://schestowitz.com/Selected_Mail/2020/debconf-torvalds-private/msg00049.html | May 20 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Re: Code of Conduct complaint about Linus's comments at DC14 | May 20 22:26 | |
| schestowitz__ | " | May 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz__ | I felt the CoC had been violated and made a complaint. I hope you are | May 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz__ | not saying that you feel that that was `abuse' of the process on my | May 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz__ | part, even if you disagree with my opinion. | May 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz__ | " | May 20 22:27 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Today in CNN trying to cause a race war... | May 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz__ | http://schestowitz.com/Selected_Mail/2020/debconf-torvalds-private/msg00245.html | May 20 22:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Re: Code of Conduct complaint about Linus's comments at DC14 | May 20 22:27 | |
| schestowitz__ | "My problem was with the _way Linus expressed_ his views of the FSF." | May 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz__ | WTF? | May 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Cannot condemn the FSF? | May 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz__ | I suppose the FSF, but defend people's right to blast it | May 20 22:27 |
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| trttl | >I think attacking a specific organisation is worse than attacking a class defined by a behaviour. | May 20 22:27 |
| trttl | amazing | May 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz__ | Maybe he worries people will 'badmouth' Citrix | May 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz__ | as if orgs are races | May 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz__ | ore genders | May 20 22:28 |
| MinceR | i 'badmouthed' citrix when i had to use it :> | May 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz__ | orgs or companies are brnads | May 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz__ | *brands | May 20 22:28 |
| MinceR | ica client made rdp look good | May 20 22:29 |
| trttl | yeah. it's hard to believe that people are actually this confused | May 20 22:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Citrix is as odious as Ian <-- is this a CoC violation? | May 20 22:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Notice how they try to control Linus | May 20 22:29 |
| schestowitz__ | like telling him what he can and cannot say | May 20 22:29 |
| schestowitz__ | even in the abstract aboyut orgs | May 20 22:30 |
| schestowitz__ | CoC as ego trip for people who try to police those above them | May 20 22:30 |
| schestowitz__ | or below them | May 20 22:30 |
| schestowitz__ | because they are, by definition, well-meaning | May 20 22:30 |
| baronhk[m]1 | CoC is not well meaning. It's meant to disguise itself that way. | May 20 22:31 |
| techrights-bot | WTH. Headline: "Microsoft Teams is now invading your personal life" ... Huh? It ALWAYS invaded everything. And it should be unlawful in many contexts, inc. http://techrights.org/2021/03/22/epoleaks-report-march-2021-finale/ #gdpr #microsoft | May 20 22:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Summing Up: EPO Administrative Council Still Asleep at the Wheel | Techrights | May 20 22:31 | |
| baronhk[m]1 | I was confused when I was thrown out of Ubuntu Forums for disparaging comments about a company going against their CoC. | May 20 22:32 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Like companies had feelings. | May 20 22:32 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Then I got warned by Fedora that making comments about why people should avoid Nvidia was against their CoC. | May 20 22:32 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Nvidia will never fix their poorly written driver as long as open source software goes out of its way to hide their bugs for them. | May 20 22:33 |
| MinceR | "corporations are people, my friend!" | May 20 22:33 |
| baronhk[m]1 | IBM has been paying people to do just that. | May 20 22:33 |
| baronhk[m]1 | There are now Nvidia kludges in GNOME, KDE, X, Xwayland, Wayland, various games.... | May 20 22:34 |
| techrights-bot | "Ubuntu Center on Racism, Global Movements and Population Health Equity." https://drexel.edu/now/archive/2021/May/Drexel-Names-New-Center-on-Racism-and-Health-Center-Director/ intersection between racism and health; seems a little far off, but depends on the country... and its health system. | May 20 22:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-drexel.edu | Drexel Names New Center on Racism and Health, Center Director | Now | Drexel University | May 20 22:35 | |
| baronhk[m]1 | The OpenGL and Vulkan libraries are dispatch dummies so that Nvidia will stop overwriting parts of the OS and then not putting things back the way they were. | May 20 22:35 |
| techrights-bot | #Security and #ProprietarySoftware • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151401 #TuxMachines | May 20 22:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security and Proprietary Software | Tux Machines | May 20 22:35 | |
| baronhk[m]1 | The Nvidia installer intentionally broke the OS in a subtle way that people probably would not figure out. It reminded me of AOL breaking Dial Up Networking so you'd need to reinstall Windows to use a different ISP. | May 20 22:36 |
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| baronhk[m]1 | They had their 800 number staff trained to not answer questions about how to fix the existing Windows install and immediately go to a hard sell offering you cheaper AOL prices for a few months. | May 20 22:38 |
| techrights-bot | The worst argument against #UBI https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/05/the-worst-argument-against-ubi/ #Finance | May 20 22:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | The worst argument against UBI | Stop at Zona-M | May 20 22:38 | |
| baronhk[m]1 | This is basically the "Why do we care if you have problems after canceling us? You won't be paying us anymore." method. | May 20 22:40 |
| techrights-bot | Almost 3,000 new #covid19 cases in the #uk today, so it's going up, and rather fast IMHO. Expect another lock-down late summer or autumn, no matter what our chronic liar 'Pry Minister' says (sociopaths with documents) | May 20 22:40 |
| schestowitz__ | [22:01] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- crown-prince-getting-owned.txt — paste.sr.ht | May 20 22:42 |
| schestowitz__ | The title of this doc is self-harming | May 20 22:42 |
| schestowitz__ | implied malicious intend and immaturity | May 20 22:42 |
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| schestowitz__ | [22:21] <XRevan86> "Same people who worked super-hard to cancel RMS and Torvalds" – proofs? | May 20 22:45 |
| schestowitz__ | see IRC further on, with links (about Torvalds; I can add the RMS ones, esp. the GR push) | May 20 22:45 |
| techrights-bot | Faster Python: Mark Shannon, author of newly endorsed plan, speaks to The Register https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/19/faster_python_mark_shannon_author/ #Python #programming | May 20 22:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Faster Python: Mark Shannon, author of newly endorsed plan, speaks to The Register • The Register | May 20 22:53 | |
| MinceR | https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/funny-pictures-5-12-21-3.jpg | May 20 22:53 |
| trttl | it's not self harming. the main feature in their narrative is the character assassination. make him look ridiculous and pathetic on one hand but also evil, vindictive and despicable on the other | May 20 22:54 |
| techrights-bot | "An open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation" now at 6,701 signatures. http://techrights.org/2021/05/18/rms-6700-signatures/ | May 20 22:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | 6,700 Signatures in Support of Richard Stallman’s Return to the FSF’s Board | Techrights | May 20 22:55 | |
| schestowitz__ | [22:54] <trttl> it's not self harming. the main feature in their narrative is the character assassination. make him look ridiculous and pathetic on one hand but also evil, vindictive and despicable on the other | May 20 22:56 |
| schestowitz__ | Yeah, I TOTALLY want our IRC channels to be managed by THOSE ->>> people | May 20 22:56 |
| schestowitz__ | doing things 'for the lols' | May 20 22:56 |
| techrights-bot | Status update for #MoonGem - #Geminiserver with inline# Lua scripting https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006553.html #geminispace #geminiprotocol | May 20 22:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Status update for MoonGem - Gemini server with inline Lua scripting | May 20 22:57 | |
| techrights-bot | "Yes. But the senior management will mess it up and ibm will not make any money. You just have to look back at watson and watson health. Remember the excitement and awe after the jeopardy game?" #ibm #hype #racistWatson https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aWjOhh3#replies | May 20 22:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Quantum Computing - post regarding IBM layoffs | May 20 22:58 | |
| techrights-bot | Daniel Stenberg: “I could rewrite curl” https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2021/05/20/i-could-rewrite-curl/ #curl #deletegithub | May 20 22:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-“I could rewrite curl” | daniel.haxx.se | May 20 22:58 | |
| XRevan86 | rasengan: What happened first: registrar account take-over or the resignation letter draught leak? | May 20 22:59 |
| techrights-bot | Top 10 #GNULinux Distros for #Students • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151402 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | May 20 23:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 10 Linux Distros for Students | Tux Machines | May 20 23:01 | |
| techrights-bot | "We know #IBM is restructuring and they've set money aside for it. But when are the layoffs going to happen? I see/hear nothing about how many, who, what, where and when. Is the axe likely to fall before end 2Q, 3Q, 4Q or is it one big fake-out?" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aWJp96w | May 20 23:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | So what's going on? - post regarding IBM layoffs | May 20 23:02 | |
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| techrights-bot | #GNU #FreeIPMI 1.6.8 Released http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=9997 #feeesw | May 20 23:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | GNU FreeIPMI - News: FreeIPMI 1.6.8 Released [Savannah] | May 20 23:05 | |
| XRevan86 | > (16:49:26) amdj: rasengan: as you've already been told several times, no-one has resigned, and the letters you have were not sent to you by us. wake up. | May 20 23:06 |
| techrights-bot | New Project To Convert #ArchLinux PKGBUILDs (Repositories and AUR) To DEB Packages And Install Them On Debian / Ubuntu • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151403 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | May 20 23:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Project To Convert Arch Linux PKGBUILDs (Repositories and AUR) To DEB Packages And Install Them On Debian / Ubuntu | Tux Machines | May 20 23:06 | |
| XRevan86 | The things Andrew wrote in https://paste.sr.ht/~ircwright/7e751d2162e4eb27cba25f6f8893c1f38930f7c4 … | May 20 23:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-crown-prince-getting-owned.txt — paste.sr.ht | May 20 23:07 | |
| trttl | so they were fired? | May 20 23:12 |
| techrights-bot | A Spooky Cute House - #Krita Digital Painting Timelapse https://www.davidrevoy.com/article844/a-spooky-cute-house-krita-digital-painting-timelapse #KDE #gnu #linux | May 20 23:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.davidrevoy.com | A Spooky Cute House - Krita Digital Painting Timelapse - David Revoy | May 20 23:12 | |
| XRevan86 | trttl: Judging by "The freenode limited board does not recognize you as a volunteer or any staff or operator of freenode. Please remove yourself from ops and operator status.", something like that. | May 20 23:13 |
| techrights-ipfs | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▂▆▃▅▁▁▆▄▄▃▄▁▂▅▆▁▁▅▃▄▅▂▁▂▄▁▃▂▃▅▅▆▄▁ avg(k/sec) 21.20 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▃▂▃▁█▂▁▁▄▂█▁▂▂█▁▁▂▂▃▁▂▆█▁█▁▁▂▂▂█▁ avg(k/sec) 71.40▕ swarm size (avg): 225.14 ⟲ | May 20 23:15 |
| techrights-bot | Can a #trademark become misleading because it is transferred to a new owner? It’s all a matter of tradition http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/can-trade-mark-become-misleading.html #law #trademarks | May 20 23:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Can a trade mark become misleading because it is transferred to a new owner? It’s all a matter of tradition - The IPKat | May 20 23:15 | |
| XRevan86 | > the infra team is granted access by means of ssh | May 20 23:16 |
| XRevan86 | > the sponsors own them, but lose access as well (well, direct access, I assume they can walk to their basement and just shut it down) | May 20 23:16 |
| techrights-bot | "This suggests to me either a lack of understanding of the legal principles underpinning the independence of the judiciary or, more likely, a desire to continue as Chair of the EBA despite the obvious problems of partiality (ie where he would be effectively deciding whether his own actions were in accordance with the EPC). Either way, this is not a good look for the President of the Boards of Appeal." http://patentblo | May 20 23:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Could not resolve host: patentblog; Unknown error ( status 0 @ http://patentblog ) | May 20 23:16 | |
| techrights-bot | This is illegal and the #EPO keeps breaking the law while relying on #kangaroocourts to say "OK" https://www.epo.org/news-events/news/2021/20210520.html see http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/nemo-iudex-in-causa-sua/ | May 20 23:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - EPO further extends pilot for opposition hearings by VICO | May 20 23:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s War on Justice and Assault on the Law — Part 14: Nemo Iudex in Causa Sua? | Techrights | May 20 23:18 | |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: what is going on in your assessment? | May 20 23:20 |
| *schestowitz__ still puts together notes for another upcoming update about freenode status | May 20 23:21 | |
| trttl | that's just ridiculous. all public posts the staff members made use the word resignation | May 20 23:21 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: I'm reading that paste, and the way things look there is Andrew Lee barged in, started claiming that he accepted the "resignation letters" and asked the "resigned" staff to leave. | May 20 23:22 |
| techrights-bot | "Until #Python 3.8, the best way to read entry points from Python was to use pkg_resources, a somewhat clunky module that is part of setuptools." https://opensource.com/article/21/5/python-38-features | May 20 23:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Make your API better with this positional trick from Python 3.8 | Opensource.com | May 20 23:22 | |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: whose paste is it? | May 20 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | based on the headline, there might be missing context | May 20 23:22 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: It's from #freenode | May 20 23:22 |
| schestowitz__ | to suit sme narrative | May 20 23:22 |
| XRevan86 | No, it's a very verbose paste. | May 20 23:22 |
| XRevan86 | Almost too much, I have to read a lot of off-topic. | May 20 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | I see... | May 20 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | things omitted near the edges might still be important | May 20 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | people tend to cut things where to suits them | May 20 23:23 |
| XRevan86 | Just two hours of #freenode, raw. | May 20 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | happens a lot in video footage | May 20 23:23 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: ok, fair enough | May 20 23:23 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: It doesn't look like it's missing context. | May 20 23:24 |
| XRevan86 | the first message in it looks like a starting announcement | May 20 23:24 |
| XRevan86 | and then whatthehecks | May 20 23:24 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/21032929 | May 20 23:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5355134) | May 20 23:25 | |
| techrights-bot | Remap your Caps Lock key on #Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151404 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | May 20 23:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Remap your Caps Lock key on Linux | Tux Machines | May 20 23:26 | |
| schestowitz__ | MinceR: <3 | May 20 23:30 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: I still have no idea who that tomaw person is. He is barely even mentioned in third person. | May 20 23:32 |
| schestowitz__ | Tom A W | May 20 23:32 |
| schestowitz__ | I was told about him last month | May 20 23:32 |
| XRevan86 | I also don't know what happened at Snoonet | May 20 23:33 |
| XRevan86 | they say Andrew Lee was involved in some controversy there some time ago | May 20 23:33 |
| schestowitz__ | [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:15:21 BST] <xxx>and was approached by tom wesley (board at OFTC) | May 20 23:35 |
| schestowitz__ | [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:15:26 BST] <xxx>who asked me about my role in the RMS thing | May 20 23:35 |
| schestowitz__ | [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:15:31 BST] <xxx>since i did some PR counter-campaign work | May 20 23:35 |
| schestowitz__ | [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:15:43 BST] <xxxx>i told him what i knew and was informed he was going to issue a kline by him | May 20 23:35 |
| schestowitz__ | [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:15:54 BST] <xxxx>when he did he issued it for both networks | May 20 23:35 |
| schestowitz__ | [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:15:59 BST] <xxxx>as he is staff at both networks now | May 20 23:35 |
| schestowitz__ | [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:16:17 BST] <xxxx>i connected to oftc by proxy to talk to their staff | May 20 23:35 |
| schestowitz__ | [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:16:25 BST] <xxxx>tomaw had doug freed (dwfreed) step in | May 20 23:35 |
| schestowitz__ | [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:16:31 BST] <xxxx>who reissued the kline | May 20 23:35 |
| schestowitz__ | [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:16:36 BST] <xxxx>and it expired at oftc | May 20 23:35 |
| schestowitz__ | [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:16:41 BST] <xxxx>and i cleared it up w/ freenode | May 20 23:35 |
| schestowitz__ | [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:16:47 BST] <xxxx>by talking to their staff | May 20 23:35 |
| schestowitz__ | [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:34:32 BST] <xxxx>it consistently ties back to debian and their sphere of influence which includes tom wesley, doug freed, and some of the other freenode staff -- not all of them. freenode's official position will probably stay neutral while these bad actors run amok | May 20 23:35 |
| schestowitz__ | [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:17:00 BST] <xxxx>until today dwfreed approached me again | May 20 23:36 |
| schestowitz__ | [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:17:10 BST] <xxxx>and issued a kline with no explanation other than "harassment, lol" | May 20 23:36 |
| schestowitz__ | [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:17:20 BST] <xxx>and this kline was once again on both oftc and freenode | May 20 23:36 |
| schestowitz__ | [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:17:31 BST] <xxx>i have worked it out w/ oftc but not freenode yet | May 20 23:36 |
| schestowitz__ | like I said, you need to know who's who... | May 20 23:36 |
| schestowitz__ | freenode is not a monolith | May 20 23:36 |
| baronhk[m]1 | schestowitz Did you see where Apple admitted there was quite a bit of malware on the Mac in court? | May 20 23:36 |
| schestowitz__ | some people are in frreenode and ubuntu council at the same time | May 20 23:36 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: I don't see anything out of the ordinary here. | May 20 23:37 |
| schestowitz__ | so they have mixed obligations and loyalties | May 20 23:37 |
| baronhk[m]1 | The Chief of Security for the company says quite a few friends of his ended up with malware on their Macs. | May 20 23:37 |
| baronhk[m]1 | He told the judge that if they lifted the app store lockdown then the same thing would happen to iOS. | May 20 23:37 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Gatekeeper on the Mac can be turned off from the terminal. In the default state, however, you can't install anything that isn't either from the app store or at least signed by Apple. | May 20 23:39 |
| baronhk[m]1 | Most Mac malware just figures out how to get around signing by tricking Apple into giving them a developer certificate. | May 20 23:39 |
| baronhk[m]1 | So Gatekeeper doesn't do much. It prevents people from running random binaries they found somewhere unless that attacker is determined to evade signing by abusing Apple's process, which does happen. | May 20 23:40 |
| XRevan86 | > (17:09:090 Fuchs: MIF: the one that got leaked via hacker news and techrights, https://fuchsnet.ch/privat/fn-resign-letter.txt basically | May 20 23:41 |
| XRevan86 | an unexpected techrights mention | May 20 23:41 |
| techrights-bot | 2 months after #suse decided to libel the founder of #gnu #linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151326#comment-29706 | May 20 23:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE and SUSECON Leftovers | Tux Machines | May 20 23:41 | |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: I talked to him about it over email | May 20 23:43 |
| XRevan86 | > (17:11:07) badastronaut: rasengan: you do realize you stand alone here right? no one is on your side, no one believes your words over people who pour their hearts and souls into freenode for decades. if you do this you'll be left with network you don't know how to operate with no help and few servers, left holding the pieces of the thing you destroyed | May 20 23:43 |
| techrights-bot | #PostgreSQL 14 Beta 1 Released! • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151405 #psql #postgres | May 20 23:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PostgreSQL 14 Beta 1 Released! | Tux Machines | May 20 23:43 | |
| XRevan86 | (17:13:38) zoite: A_D, he also hired rdv [nirvana], the previous owner of snoonet, which was found to be logging and spying on users private messages to eachother over the network | May 20 23:45 |
| XRevan86 | That's the person from the Ariadne's logs. | May 20 23:46 |
| techrights-bot | #LibreELEC (Matrix) 10.0 BETA3 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151406 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | May 20 23:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreELEC (Matrix) 10.0 BETA3 | Tux Machines | May 20 23:46 | |
| techrights-bot | "I do have some amd64 hardware revived and it is running Xubuntu Impish Indri. It is very early on so it is not as if there has been any opportunity for anything to go wrong." http://coyote.works//say-what-now.html | May 20 23:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-coyote.works | Say What Now? | May 20 23:47 | |
| rasengan | XRevan86: KindOne faked it; he was never spying on users. He admitted it on irc a few days ago. Terrible. | May 20 23:47 |
| XRevan86 | rasengan: How to fake that? | May 20 23:48 |
| rasengan | XRevan86: The log 'where he spoke about it' was faked. | May 20 23:49 |
| schestowitz__ | logging and spying are connected and I assume freenode does log. Not a new thing, not limited to freenode | May 20 23:49 |
| schestowitz__ | in general, posting sensitive things in IRC isn't wise | May 20 23:49 |
| schestowitz__ | unless you control the network | May 20 23:49 |
| rasengan | freenode the network isn't logging, but anyone in any channel could be anyway. | May 20 23:50 |
| schestowitz__ | thanks | May 20 23:50 |
| schestowitz__ | PIA was found not to be logging | May 20 23:50 |
| schestowitz__ | so for the time being I might even assume it's "just as good" (or bad) as prior to 2019 | May 20 23:50 |
| techrights-bot | Man-made concepts crash and burn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrqHVeus4FA | May 20 23:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-My Thoughts On The Recent Crypto Crash - YouTube | May 20 23:51 | |
| XRevan86 | rasengan: So it's slander? | May 20 23:51 |
| *schestowitz__ doesn't trust random pastes | May 20 23:51 | |
| rasengan | Yes | May 20 23:51 |
| schestowitz__ | XRevan86: that's not a reliable paste given its title | May 20 23:54 |
| schestowitz__ | it's motivated by intention to malign, not inform | May 20 23:54 |
| schestowitz__ | WTF/ https://marketresearchtelecast.com/irc-network-freenode-is-dead-long-live-libera-chat/48768/ | May 20 23:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-marketresearchtelecast.com | IRC network: Freenode is dead - long live Libera Chat! - Market Research Telecast | May 20 23:54 | |
| MinceR | https://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/hit-on-you.jpg | May 20 23:55 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz__: I think rasengan will confirm that the paste is a one-to-one copy of #freenode from the designated time. And the first line in it is probably the first post by rasengan there. | May 20 23:55 |
| schestowitz__ | HVS is dead – long live BETAMAX! | May 20 23:55 |
| schestowitz__ | VHS | May 20 23:55 |
| XRevan86 | I've somehow managed to understand even less than before. | May 20 23:55 |
| MinceR | negative information? :> | May 20 23:56 |
| XRevan86 | overwhemling, I don't know what to trust, especially considering the inherent subjectivity of the whole situation | May 20 23:56 |
| XRevan86 | Human relations are in the equation. | May 20 23:57 |
| MinceR | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ad/Strife_box_cover.jpg | May 20 23:57 |
| MinceR | :> | May 20 23:57 |
| baronhk[m]1 | I don't really care as long as I don't get dmca letters. | May 20 23:58 |
| kingoffrance | not sure i follow (or is that the unreliable paste?) "who asked me about my role in the RMS thing" "since i did some PR counter-campaign work [Sunday, 2 May 2021] [04:15:43 BST] <xxxx> i told him what i knew and was informed he was going to issue a kline by him" <-- is this someone who was supposedly klined for defending RMS? "counter-campaign" ? | May 20 23:59 |
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