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| techrights-news | KF5’s big ramp of deprecations to KF6 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167775 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/28/KF5s_big_ramp_of_deprecations_to_KF6.shtml #news | Jul 29 00:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KF5’s big ramp of deprecations to KF6 | Tux Machines | Jul 29 00:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | KF5’s big ramp of deprecations to KF6 | Jul 29 00:00 | |
| techrights-news | Godot 3.5 RC 8, Godot 4.0 alpha 13, and More • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167776 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/28/Godot_3.5_RC_8,_Godot_4.0_alpha_13,_and_More.shtml #news | Jul 29 00:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Godot 3.5 RC 8, Godot 4.0 alpha 13, and More | Tux Machines | Jul 29 00:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Godot 3.5 RC 8, Godot 4.0 alpha 13, and More | Jul 29 00:00 | |
| matey | psydroid: this is pretty true to the original story | Jul 29 00:01 |
| matey | for whatever reason they decided to go very original with the visuals | Jul 29 00:01 |
| XRevan86 | "but i imagine this is incredibly russian" <- "посторонним вход воспрещён" :) | Jul 29 00:02 |
| XRevan86 | matey: https://torpod.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/vhod.jpg this can hint on what that phrase means | Jul 29 00:03 |
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| techrights-news | Severe flaw. : Exploitable remotely. Yes, Microsoft Windows, but CISA goes out of its way to cover that up. "C:\Program files\MELSOF" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-20-212-02 | Jul 29 00:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | Mitsubishi Electric Factory Automation Engineering Software (Update C) | CISA | Jul 29 00:03 | |
| XRevan86 | Don't know how to even translate "Посторонним В.". Maybe "Restricted A."? | Jul 29 00:04 |
| techrights-news | CISA/NSA: back doors are desirable, just be sure to keep quiet about them... | Jul 29 00:04 |
| matey | :) | Jul 29 00:04 |
| techrights-news | "Due to an XML external entity reference, the software parses XML in the backup/restore functionality without XML security flags, which may lead to a XXE attack while restoring the backup." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-207-01 | Jul 29 00:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | Inductive Automation Ignition | CISA | Jul 29 00:05 | |
| techrights-news | Openwashing https://www.phoronix.com/news/Raptor-Arctic-Tern-BMC | Jul 29 00:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Raptor Launches Arctic Tern As An Open-Source BMC Solution - Phoronix | Jul 29 00:05 | |
| XRevan86 | Don't know what translator had in mind with "Trespassers Will". "Will" what? Shot on Sight? | Jul 29 00:05 |
| techrights-news | Use of a Broken or Risky Cryptographic Algorithmhttps://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-207-03 | Jul 29 00:06 |
| matey | thats the joke | Jul 29 00:07 |
| matey | there WAS a sign that said something like | Jul 29 00:07 |
| matey | trespassers will be shot | Jul 29 00:07 |
| matey | but half the sign is missing | Jul 29 00:07 |
| matey | so it just says | Jul 29 00:07 |
| matey | trespassers will | Jul 29 00:07 |
| matey | and will is short for william | Jul 29 00:07 |
| techrights-news | Brittany Day publishing HEY HI Bullshit. This is what happens when you let MARKETING people (or geneticists) become a "voice" for Linux 'security'... https://linuxsecurity.com/features/what-is-the-impact-of-ai-on-cybersecurity-3-interesting-use-cases | Jul 29 00:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxsecurity.com | What Is the Impact of AI on Cybersecurity? 3 Interesting Use Cases | Jul 29 00:07 | |
| matey | so its assumed (with intended naivety) that will is a person who once lived there | Jul 29 00:08 |
| XRevan86 | matey: That works. More grim that the source though :) | Jul 29 00:08 |
| matey | well, it doesnt have to say "be shot" | Jul 29 00:08 |
| matey | could be "be prosecuted" | Jul 29 00:08 |
| matey | but its in the woods, so its just a guess | Jul 29 00:08 |
| XRevan86 | Left to the imagination. | Jul 29 00:08 |
| techrights-news | LOL. "Are current AI trends and principles part of your cybersecurity strategy?" It's all in the HEY HI. Watch our for sinister HEY HI! HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI | Jul 29 00:08 |
| matey | indeed | Jul 29 00:08 |
| matey | its one of those jokes that the kids might not get | Jul 29 00:09 |
| matey | but the grownups reading to their kids can giggle at | Jul 29 00:09 |
| matey | bullwinkle was FULL of those | Jul 29 00:09 |
| matey | and some were even a bit naughty | Jul 29 00:09 |
| techrights-news | I didn't know servers were clowns and algorithms are "HEY HI" until journalism died and the vacuum got filled with lying marketing bunnies | Jul 29 00:10 |
| matey | at one point theyre being chased by a "grand vizier" | Jul 29 00:10 |
| matey | which rhymes with "brassiere" | Jul 29 00:10 |
| matey | and one person mishears this | Jul 29 00:10 |
| techrights-news | "The affected product is vulnerable to an out-of-bounds write that may allow an attacker to overwrite values in memory, causing a denial-of-service condition or potentially bricking the device" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-207-04 | Jul 29 00:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | MOXA NPort 5110 | CISA | Jul 29 00:10 | |
| matey | and repeats "and one grand brassiere" | Jul 29 00:11 |
| matey | "yeah..." | Jul 29 00:11 |
| matey | and this is very much a kids show, dating back to black and white | Jul 29 00:11 |
| matey | but its funny | Jul 29 00:11 |
| techrights-news | libadwaita: Fixing Usability Problems on the Linux Desktop • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167777 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/28/libadwaita:_Fixing_Usability_Problems_on_the_Linux_Desktop.shtml #news | Jul 29 00:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | libadwaita: Fixing Usability Problems on the Linux Desktop | Tux Machines | Jul 29 00:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | libadwaita: Fixing Usability Problems on the Linux Desktop | Jul 29 00:16 | |
| matey | Antitrust Action Against Microsoft is Well Overdue <- wont happen | Jul 29 00:17 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/aYqA58N3sEE | Jul 29 00:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Invidious: https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=aYqA58N3sEE | Jul 29 00:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> invidious.weblibre.org | Winnie The Pooh The Little Black Rain Cloud - Invidious | Jul 29 00:17 | |
| matey | antitrust vs microsoft is like musket vs a fleet of drones | Jul 29 00:17 |
| techrights-news | Microsoft does not need to buy Canonical if it already controls Canonical https://www.neowin.net/news/ubuntu-confidential-virtual-machines-come-to-microsoft-azure/ | Jul 29 00:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.neowin.net | Ubuntu Confidential Virtual Machines come to Microsoft Azure - Neowin | Jul 29 00:18 | |
| matey | thats the one, XRevan86 | Jul 29 00:19 |
| techrights-news | Security: Bugs, Samba Flaw, CISA’s Deja Vu, and More • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167778 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/28/Security:_Bugs,_Samba_Flaw,_CISA%27s_Deja_Vu,_and_More.shtml #news | Jul 29 00:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Bugs, Samba Flaw, CISA's Deja Vu, and More | Tux Machines | Jul 29 00:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Security: Bugs, Samba Flaw, CISA's Deja Vu, and More | Jul 29 00:19 | |
| XRevan86 | matey: A whole action scene :) | Jul 29 00:19 |
| matey | a very familiar one from childhood | Jul 29 00:19 |
| *XRevan86 never saw it. | Jul 29 00:20 | |
| matey | we had that on BETAmax | Jul 29 00:20 |
| XRevan86 | Until now of course. | Jul 29 00:20 |
| matey | it must be weird to see the western version | Jul 29 00:20 |
| matey | for the first time | Jul 29 00:20 |
| XRevan86 | I've seen some episodes of it, not this one. | Jul 29 00:20 |
| techrights-news | I wish I could taper off my meds gemini://hyperreal.coffee/gemlog/2022-07-28-wish-I-could-taper-off-meds.gmi | Jul 29 00:20 |
| matey | the animation was very familiar for those who saw the book illustrations | Jul 29 00:21 |
| matey | id say the book was more old-fashioned (understandably) and the animation was more cute | Jul 29 00:21 |
| matey | but they were similar nonetheless | Jul 29 00:22 |
| matey | obviously the book animations were sparse by comparison, so a lot had to be imagined and elaborated on | Jul 29 00:22 |
| matey | and i hate disney, but i like tron and this as well | Jul 29 00:22 |
| XRevan86 | matey: Disney makes a lot of good stuff. | Jul 29 00:22 |
| matey | the original tron was disney | Jul 29 00:23 |
| matey | they do | Jul 29 00:23 |
| XRevan86 | Which is practically a given considering the sheer volume %) | Jul 29 00:23 |
| matey | theyre a bit like debian | Jul 29 00:23 |
| matey | they get some very talented people | Jul 29 00:23 |
| matey | then treat them like shit | Jul 29 00:23 |
| matey | then benefit from their efforts | Jul 29 00:23 |
| XRevan86 | matey: I've seen Tron, never really got into it though. | Jul 29 00:23 |
| matey | it helps to be a kid in the 80s | Jul 29 00:24 |
| XRevan86 | The visuals are interesting but the story is not my thing. | Jul 29 00:24 |
| matey | if the idea is to find tron amazing | Jul 29 00:24 |
| matey | it isnt strictly required, but it surely helps | Jul 29 00:24 |
| XRevan86 | Tron: Legacy is terrible regardless at least :) | Jul 29 00:24 |
| matey | yeah a lot of it was visuals | Jul 29 00:24 |
| matey | yeah but im a sucker for short black hair | Jul 29 00:25 |
| techrights-news | Fedora / Red Hat Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167779 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/28/Fedora__Red_Hat_Leftovers.shtml #news | Jul 29 00:25 |
| matey | /me blames barbara feldon | Jul 29 00:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora / Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 29 00:25 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Fedora / Red Hat Leftovers | Jul 29 00:25 | |
| DaemonFC | Okay I give up. | Jul 29 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | Now I'm just in the Matrix rooms bridged into Libera so that idiot can't get rid of me directly anymore with a k-line. | Jul 29 00:26 |
| techrights-news | While Lenovo BLOCKS Linux for booting on other laptop, serving Microsoft's agenda... https://www.digitaltrends.com/dtdeals/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-carbon-gen-9-deal-lenovo-july-2022/ | Jul 29 00:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitaltrends.com | This Lenovo ThinkPad with Linux just got a $1,000 price cut | Digital Trends | Jul 29 00:31 | |
| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167780 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/28/howtos_2.shtml #news | Jul 29 00:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jul 29 00:31 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Jul 29 00:31 | |
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| techrights-news | Canonical Says It "Want[s] to be the Best Open-Source Company in the World", Then Promotes Microsoft’s Proprietary Surveillance While Microsoft Attacks Linux • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167781 | Jul 29 00:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Says It "Want[s] to be the Best Open-Source Company in the World", Then Promotes Microsoft's Proprietary Surveillance While Microsoft Attacks Linux | Tux Machines | Jul 29 00:38 | |
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| DaemonFC | For whatever reason, LIBERAL chat doesn't try to do anything about me when I'm on there through Matrix. | Jul 29 00:51 |
| techrights-news | Server: pg_ivm 1.2, System Administration, CNCF, Google, and Microsoft’s Ongoing Demise • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167782 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/28/IVM_Development_Group_is_pleased_to_announce_the_release_of_pg_ivm_12.shtml #news | Jul 29 00:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Server: pg_ivm 1.2, System Administration, CNCF, Google, and Microsoft's Ongoing Demise | Tux Machines | Jul 29 00:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Server: pg_ivm 1.2, System Administration, CNCF, Google, and Microsoft's Ongoing Demise | Jul 29 00:56 | |
| techrights-news | Programming Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167783 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/28/programming_2.shtml #news | Jul 29 00:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 29 00:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Jul 29 00:57 | |
| techrights-news | Today’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167784 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/28/leftovers_2.shtml #news | Jul 29 00:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 29 00:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Jul 29 00:58 | |
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| techrights-news | Links 28/07/2022: Canonical is Promoting Microsoft Again, OPNsense 22.7 Released, and Apache ShenYu Becomes Top-Level Project (TLP) | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/07/28/canonical-promoting-microsoft/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/28/canonical-promoting-microsoft/ | Jul 29 00:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 28/07/2022: Canonical is Promoting Microsoft Again, OPNsense 22.7 Released, and Apache ShenYu Becomes Top-Level Project (TLP) | Techrights | Jul 29 00:59 | |
| techrights-news | Microsoft apologists at it again https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/60654.html | Jul 29 01:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | UEFI rootkits and UEFI secure boot | Jul 29 01:01 | |
| techrights-news | 10 years ago: "Much to our regret, Garrett has recently been an apologist for Microsoft’s anti-competitive UEFI scheme" http://techrights.org/2012/11/05/matthew-garrett/ | Jul 29 01:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Garrett a Microsoft Apologist | Techrights | Jul 29 01:02 | |
| techrights-news | The person who caused the problems now pretends to be the rescuer offering redemption. | Jul 29 01:03 |
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| techrights-news | Proprietary, proprietary, proprietary, proprietary, proprietary, proprietary, proprietary... some "alternatives", eh? https://www.maketecheasier.com/google-forms-alternatives/ | Jul 29 01:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | 8 Free Alternatives to Google Forms - Make Tech Easier | Jul 29 01:04 | |
| techrights-news | How to install LeoCAD on Pop!_OS 22.04 - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=yINeROgUcHY | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/yINeROgUcHY | Jul 29 01:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | How to install LeoCAD on Pop!_OS 22.04 - Invidious | Jul 29 01:04 | |
| techrights-news | Starship Troopers: Terran Command. Finally a Great Video Game After the Movie! - Boiling Steam ⚓ https://boilingsteam.com/starship-troopers-terran-command-finally-a-great-video-game-after-the-movie/ ䷉ Source: boilingsteam | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//boilingsteam.com/starship-troopers-terran-command-finally-a-great-video-game-after-the-movie/ | Jul 29 01:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | Starship Troopers: Terran Command. Finally a Great Video Game After the Movie! - Boiling Steam | Jul 29 01:06 | |
| techrights-news | The original icanhazip.com lives on, but the other services are going offline. https://major.io/2022/07/28/extra-icanhazip-services-going-offline/ | Jul 29 01:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-major.io | Extra icanhazip services going offline :: 🤠 Major Hayden | Jul 29 01:08 | |
| techrights-news | MQTT and Raspberry PI Pico W: Start with Mosquitto (MicroPython) ⚓ https://peppe8o.com/mqtt-and-raspberry-pi-pico-w-start-with-mosquitto-micropython/ ䷉ Source: peppe8o | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//peppe8o.com/mqtt-and-raspberry-pi-pico-w-start-with-mosquitto-micropython/ | Jul 29 01:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-peppe8o.com | MQTT and Raspberry PI Pico W: Start with Mosquitto (MicroPython) | Jul 29 01:09 | |
| techrights-news | More greenwashing PR to dilute/harm the brand "Linux" https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/opengeh-green-energy-hub-project/ see http://techrights.org/2021/11/09/linux-foundation-greenwash/ | Jul 29 01:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfoundation.org | What is the OpenGEH (Green Energy Hub) Project - Linux Foundation | Jul 29 01:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Has Become Even Worse Than Climate Science Deniers | Techrights | Jul 29 01:10 | |
| techrights-news | "Initially built in partnership with Microsoft, Energinet" https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/opengeh-green-energy-hub-project/ Linux Foundation is not misusing the brand "Linux" to spread lies for Microsoft http://techrights.org/2021/11/09/linux-foundation-greenwash/ | Jul 29 01:11 |
| techrights-news | It's like ClearlyDefined in OSI http://techrights.org/2020/09/27/osi-mostly-clearlydefined/ | Jul 29 01:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | OSI President: Most or Half of the OSI’s Money (Even Individual Donors’ Money) Goes to a Microsoft-Led Initiative | Techrights | Jul 29 01:12 | |
| techrights-news | LF became a GPL violators' force of occupation against Linux and against the GPL. http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation | Jul 29 01:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights | Jul 29 01:13 | |
| techrights-news | If the LF's mission isn't to kill Linux, it's to kill the original owners/ownership of Linux, handing over control of the project to its enemies. | Jul 29 01:15 |
| techrights-news | GNU/Linux users, LINUX FOUNDATION IS NOT YOUR FRIEND!!! http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation#July_2022 | Jul 29 01:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights | Jul 29 01:15 | |
| techrights-news | Re Error Handling gemini://gemini.hitchhiker-linux.org/gemlog/re_error_handling.gmi | Jul 29 01:21 |
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| MinceR | 29 002912 < psydruid> the Russian Winnie the Pooh is a cynical bastard, which makes him much more relatable | Jul 29 02:23 |
| MinceR | and apparently exhales lighter-than-air gas | Jul 29 02:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, July 28, 2022 | Jul 29 02:38 | |
| techrights-news | 🅸🆁🅲 techbytes irc ■ Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-280722.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-280722.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-280722.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-280722.txt | Jul 29 02:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, July 28, 2022 | Jul 29 02:39 | |
| techrights-news | ✩░▒▓▆▅▃▂▁𝐁𝐔𝐋𝐋𝐄𝐓𝐈𝐍▁▂▃▅▆▓▒░✩ Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! 🅷🆃🆃🅿: http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-07-28.txt | 🅶🅴🅼🅸🅽🅸 gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-07-28.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now) | Jul 29 02:40 |
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| DaemonFC | I think I figured out who on Libera Chat was having me banned. | Jul 29 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | They're in the #politics room so either they're a narc or they're an IRC op, so I suppose I should scout out the rooms and see if they're in that one, and stay out of the ones they're in. Seems to just be a few. | Jul 29 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | Then I can sneak around without that one noticing me. | Jul 29 03:02 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ☞ Gemini requests since start of month: 359447 total • Total number of pages in capsule: 41904 • Active: active (running) since Fri 2022-05-27 10:17:06 BST; 2 months 1 days ago | Jul 29 03:05 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ☞ IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 10 MB • TotalOut: 1.7 MB | Jul 29 03:06 |
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| techrights-ipfs-bot | QmXggz4ZzdoNrnyGD87xZXV7EnECHikMc7N5PUE6qSiZ7Y | Jul 29 03:09 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ☞ New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above. | Jul 29 03:09 |
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| psydruid | There should be another schism in Liberia, so the number of users gets halved again | Jul 29 04:06 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/29/fedora-removes-creative-commons-cc0-licensed-software-leaves-fraunhofer-aac-bonus-use-opus-instead-of-aac/ | Jul 29 04:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Fedora removes Creative Commons CC0-licensed software; leaves Fraunhofer AAC. Bonus: Use Opus instead of AAC. – BaronHK's Rants | Jul 29 04:07 | |
| DaemonFC | Still tweaking it. | Jul 29 04:09 |
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| MinceR | is there a better public domain equivalent license? | Jul 29 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | "(MP3 patents are expired as of 2017, and it’s very widely used even now, but Fraunhofer pressured the media to lie and suggest you couldn’t use it anymore due to being in the public domain. The media in the US is very corrupt and usually spins losses for corporations as a negative thing, even when they benefit the public. Such as with generic prescription drugs.)" | Jul 29 04:12 |
| britney | most of my music is in ALAC format, apple lossless, which has an open source decoder with a patent waiver | Jul 29 04:16 |
| MinceR | i have music in all sorts of formats, but ALAC is not one of them :> | Jul 29 04:20 |
| MinceR | plenty of lossless formats though | Jul 29 04:20 |
| britney | i used alac because i have an iphone | Jul 29 04:21 |
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| MinceR | i am blissfully free of hypePhones :> | Jul 29 04:22 |
| britney | my next phone is going to be an android | Jul 29 04:22 |
| britney | or maybe a pinephone | Jul 29 04:22 |
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| britney | https://www.pine64.org/pinephonepro/ | Jul 29 04:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pine64.org | PinePhone Pro | PINE64 | Jul 29 04:37 | |
| phanes | too bad there's not any apps for it | Jul 29 04:42 |
| bnchs | >phone that runs GNU/Linux | Jul 29 04:44 |
| bnchs | >apps | Jul 29 04:44 |
| MinceR | pretty sure GNU/Linux "apps" run on it | Jul 29 04:44 |
| phanes | o rly? check your bank account with it | Jul 29 04:44 |
| MinceR | it has several web browsers with which that could be done, if you have the patience | Jul 29 04:45 |
| MinceR | (though the pro probably handles it better than the non-pro) | Jul 29 04:45 |
| phanes | you know some banks will only let you do transfers through the app | Jul 29 04:45 |
| MinceR | also, i didn't know bank accounts were the sole purpose of "apps" | Jul 29 04:45 |
| bnchs | >some banks will only let you do transfers through the apps | Jul 29 04:45 |
| bnchs | then change banks | Jul 29 04:45 |
| phanes | sounds like excuses | Jul 29 04:45 |
| MinceR | maybe find a bank that doesn't suck so hard | Jul 29 04:45 |
| bnchs | fuck banks that do that kind of bullshit | Jul 29 04:45 |
| phanes | >"we launched an app platform that substitutes web browsers for daily use applications common to all of its known competitors" | Jul 29 04:46 |
| bnchs | not everyone uses phones | Jul 29 04:47 |
| phanes | >not everyone uses phones | Jul 29 04:47 |
| bnchs | and? | Jul 29 04:47 |
| phanes | i mean, if you dont see the fail there, explaining it isn't going to help you | Jul 29 04:48 |
| phanes | in any case i hope it does well, it'll need to build bridges with product teams to make it viable | Jul 29 04:49 |
| MinceR | 29 054629 < phanes> >"we launched an app platform that substitutes web browsers for daily use applications common to all of its known competitors" | Jul 29 04:49 |
| MinceR | where is this from? | Jul 29 04:49 |
| britney | i don't have a bullshit bank, they support any browser | Jul 29 04:51 |
| MinceR | i have a bullshit bank and they still support several browsers | Jul 29 04:51 |
| phanes | look im just saying, if you don't use your bank's app, you're probably not doing much with your bank | Jul 29 04:52 |
| phanes | its one example of all of the apps that a person uses heavily through any given day | Jul 29 04:52 |
| phanes | its a good platform idea with a poorly thought out implementation | Jul 29 04:53 |
| britney | the problem with android is that a lot of phones simply won't work with LineageOS | Jul 29 04:53 |
| britney | you gotta do research before buying | Jul 29 04:53 |
| phanes | yeah | Jul 29 04:54 |
| phanes | lineage supports up to samsung M20 | Jul 29 04:54 |
| britney | i dont want some bullshit firmware with apps i cant remove | Jul 29 04:54 |
| phanes | sounds like i gotta wait a few years to try it out | Jul 29 04:54 |
| MinceR | i stopped using my bank's app when they decided they force a replacement and then charge a monthly fee for the new app, just as i was considering switching banks anyway | Jul 29 04:54 |
| britney | oddly enough the google pixel phones are firmware friendly | Jul 29 04:55 |
| MinceR | oh, and also, the signup process for the new app was also a lot of pain | Jul 29 04:55 |
| phanes | im pretty happy with my s22 but admittedly i severely dislike android | Jul 29 04:55 |
| MinceR | too bad google pixel phones are not memory card friendly | Jul 29 04:55 |
| MinceR | and not headset friendly either | Jul 29 04:56 |
| phanes | they try-harded the marketing for mine though its like this big wall of text for the name when you boot it up, its like SAMSUNG GALAXY ULTRA PLUS 22 or something like that | Jul 29 04:56 |
| MinceR | samsung branding as usual | Jul 29 04:56 |
| phanes | like if you hold it wrong it might blast off into space | Jul 29 04:56 |
| britney | the only thing i dislike about ios is that i cant put music on it with linux :/ | Jul 29 04:56 |
| britney | so i dont plan to get another iphone because of that | Jul 29 04:57 |
| phanes | i dont touch anything apple | Jul 29 04:57 |
| MinceR | i'm not going to list the things i dislike about hypeOS | Jul 29 04:57 |
| MinceR | i'll take that time and spend it on sleep instead | Jul 29 04:57 |
| britney | lol | Jul 29 04:57 |
| phanes | what i also dislike about android is they found a way to pretend its linux while somehow making you unable to use anything but the vendor-provided image | Jul 29 04:58 |
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| phanes | thousand dollar phone and i can't control what software i run on it | Jul 29 04:59 |
| britney | the vendor provided images are often worse than ios | Jul 29 04:59 |
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| phanes | anybody know if http/3 is being adopted at all outside of marketing teams for google? | Jul 29 05:44 |
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| AdmFubar | https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/28/lot-the-big-tech-anti-patent-troll-group-launches-adapt-to-tackle-inclusion-in-the-world-of-ip/ | Jul 29 06:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LOT, the anti-patent-troll group, launches Adapt to tackle inclusion in the world of IP – TechCrunch | Jul 29 06:07 | |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | (ℹ) Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-28.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-29.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi | Jul 29 06:30 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | lol | Jul 29 06:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | inclusion | Jul 29 06:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | in a RACKET | Jul 29 06:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | thery are not anti-troll group | Jul 29 06:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | they include trolls like Microsoft | Jul 29 06:42 |
| psydruid | this is hilarious | Jul 29 06:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | AOL now issues paid-for flugg for bad people | Jul 29 06:42 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | http://techrights.org/2020/03/27/the-lot-network-paper-club/ | Jul 29 06:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | LOT Network is a One-Man (Millionaire’s) Operation and Why This Should Alarm You | Techrights | Jul 29 06:43 | |
| psydruid | activelow is antagonizing lots of linux sunxi developers with the rhetoric he displayed here before and they aren't taking it in kind | Jul 29 06:43 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | hhas SJVN issued his puff piece about it yet | Jul 29 06:46 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | They pay him to do this in ZDNet | Jul 29 06:46 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | psydruid: in libera.chat? | Jul 29 06:46 |
| psydruid | schestowitz[TR2]: I made a mistake last time, it's on OFTC and not on libera.chat | Jul 29 06:47 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | sunxi developers: stfu you nazi | Jul 29 06:47 |
| psydruid | but yes | Jul 29 06:47 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | activelow: why THANK YOU! | Jul 29 06:47 |
| psydruid | he's the modern German version of Don Quijote | Jul 29 06:48 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | LOT Network | Jul 29 06:48 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | wasting money buying the media | Jul 29 06:48 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | that's what they do | Jul 29 06:48 |
| psydruid | still tilting at windmills all these centuries later | Jul 29 06:48 |
| techrights-news | #Techrights Bulletin for Thursday, July 28, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext | Jul 29 06:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives | Jul 29 06:50 | |
| psydruid | "aggi: yes, facts are facts, your interpretation of them is kind of cringe" | Jul 29 06:50 |
| techrights-news | #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing | Jul 29 06:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index | Jul 29 06:50 | |
| psydruid | "I understand that if you want to self-bootstrap on an embedded board c++ compilers are a problem but that does not make them non-free, that's just delusional" | Jul 29 06:51 |
| techrights-news | Firefox 104 Enters Beta Testing with Two-Finger Swipe Back/Forward Gesture on Linux • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167785 | Jul 29 06:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox 104 Enters Beta Testing with Two-Finger Swipe Back/Forward Gesture on Linux | Tux Machines | Jul 29 06:51 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | psydruid: bettter there than here tbh | Jul 29 06:54 |
| psydruid | indeed | Jul 29 06:54 |
| psydruid | he finally figured out he didn't have an audience here anymore | Jul 29 06:55 |
| techrights-news | [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D306.jpg | Jul 29 06:55 |
| techrights-news | Why Not Oberon? gemini://54.203.8.106/why.not.oberon.gmi | Jul 29 06:56 |
| techrights-news | "Yup, any day now, it'll be "there's an AI for that!" instead of last decade's "there's an App for that!"." gemini://54.203.8.106/theres.an.ai.for.that.gmi | Jul 29 06:57 |
| techrights-news | Just Writing gemini://josias.dev/gemlog/just-writing.gmi | Jul 29 06:57 |
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| techrights-news | "I deleted Facebook a couple years in, avoided most of the other services, and let my online presence eventually turn into just... a sort of resume. Things got weirder online, and the weirdness and negativity leaked into the real world too." gemini://rawtext.club/~epiii2/log/2022-07-29/ | Jul 29 06:59 |
| techrights-news | "KaiOS devices are a bit scary, as KaiOS has huge Google investment, and they are becoming almost functional smartphones with quite a lot of functionality and apps - distractions and news are what we're trying to get away from." gemini://gemini.sensorstation.co/devices.nuu-f4l.gmi | Jul 29 06:59 |
| techrights-news | The History of Kali Linux [Penetration Testing] Distribution ⚓ https://www.linuxshelltips.com/kali-linux-history/ ䷉ Source: linuxshelltips | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.linuxshelltips.com/kali-linux-history/ | Jul 29 07:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxshelltips.com | The History of Kali Linux [Penetration Testing] Distribution | Jul 29 07:08 | |
| techrights-news | GOOD for the planet: Global smartphone sales take a hit for fourth quarter running ⚓ https://itwire.com/mobility/global-smartphone-sales-take-a-hit-for-fourth-quarter-running.html ䷉ Source: itwire | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//itwire.com/mobility/global-smartphone-sales-take-a-hit-for-fourth-quarter-running.html | Jul 29 07:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Global smartphone sales take a hit for fourth quarter running | Jul 29 07:11 | |
| techrights-news | Fedora removes Creative Commons CC0-licensed software; leaves Fraunhofer AAC. Bonus: Use Opus instead of AAC. - BaronHK’s Rants ⚓ https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/29/fedora-removes-creative-commons-cc0-licensed-software-leaves-fraunhofer-aac-bonus-use-opus-instead-of-aac/ ䷉ Source: baronhk | Jul 29 07:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Fedora removes Creative Commons CC0-licensed software; leaves Fraunhofer AAC. Bonus: Use Opus instead of AAC. – BaronHK's Rants | Jul 29 07:11 | |
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| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167786 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/29/today%27s_howtos.shtml #news | Jul 29 07:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jul 29 07:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Jul 29 07:20 | |
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| techrights-news | [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D657.jpg | Jul 29 07:27 |
| techrights-news | Internet/Gemini: Some Boring Analysis on TLGS Index (and messing with CERN's ROOT analysis framework) gemini://gemini.clehaxze.tw/gemlog/2022/07-29-some-boring-analysis-on-tlgs-index.gmi | Jul 29 07:27 |
| techrights-news | Firefox Nightly: These Weeks In Firefox: Issue 121 https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/07/28/these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-121/ | Jul 29 07:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.nightly.mozilla.org | These Weeks In Firefox: Issue 121 – Firefox Nightly News | Jul 29 07:28 | |
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| techrights-news | A Tale of Three COVID Summers, as Told by UK Hospitals https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/29/worst-summer-covid/ | Jul 29 07:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » A Tale of Three COVID Summers, as Told by UK Hospitals | Jul 29 07:45 | |
| techrights-news | In one month Windows went down from 29% share to 28%. In ONE MONTH. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share#monthly-200901-202207 | Jul 29 07:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gs.statcounter.com | Operating System Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats | Jul 29 07:46 | |
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| techrights-news | "Here are the slides I presented for a ClickHouse SF Bay Area Meetup in July 2022, hosted by Altinity. They are about Akvorado, a network flow collector and visualizer, and notably on how it relies on ClickHouse, a column-oriented database." https://vincent.bernat.ch/en/blog/2022-clickhouse-meetup-akvorado | Jul 29 07:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vincent.bernat.ch | ClickHouse SF Bay Area Meetup: Akvorado | Jul 29 07:49 | |
| techrights-news | Garuda Linux ’Talon’: Arch, but different, and better • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167787 | Jul 29 07:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Garuda Linux 'Talon': Arch, but different, and better | Tux Machines | Jul 29 07:56 | |
| techrights-news | 7 Docks to Customize Your Linux Desktop in 2022 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167788 | Jul 29 07:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7 Docks to Customize Your Linux Desktop in 2022 | Tux Machines | Jul 29 07:56 | |
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| techrights-news | Google #Android Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167789 | Jul 29 08:01 |
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| matey | https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XZVpR3Pk-r8 | Jul 29 08:03 |
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| matey | xrevan86 https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ApfKv8Kx4oI as much as i enjoyed the subtitles, its better without them (this is longer and the video capture/conversion is way better) | Jul 29 08:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Сборник мультиков: Винни Пух | Winnie the Pooh russian animation 99 jyne - Invidious | Jul 29 08:10 | |
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| matey | besides, once you realise theyre sticking to the story you more or less know what theyre saying if youve seen it a few times | Jul 29 08:11 |
| matey | the best part of the subtitles was seeing the lyrics to the song :) | Jul 29 08:11 |
| matey | just seeing eeyore speak in russian is trippy | Jul 29 08:11 |
| matey | though tbh eeyore was always russian-- hes the most russian character in the whole thing | Jul 29 08:12 |
| matey | "do you see the gopher, pooh?" | Jul 29 08:12 |
| matey | "no, im sorry eeyore" | Jul 29 08:12 |
| matey | "doesnt matter." | Jul 29 08:12 |
| matey | actually gophers a character (and his name) so it could be | Jul 29 08:13 |
| matey | "pooh, have you seen gopher?" | Jul 29 08:13 |
| matey | "no, eeyore, not today" | Jul 29 08:13 |
| matey | "neither have i. but hes there." | Jul 29 08:13 |
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| matey | /me wonders why owl is dressed as a babushka, but its fine | Jul 29 08:19 |
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| techrights-news | Canonical Says It "Want[s] to be the Best Open-Source Company in the World", Then Promotes Microsoft's Proprietary Surveillance While Microsoft Attacks Linux ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/28/Canonical_Says_It_%22Wants_to_be_the_Best_Open-Source_Company_in_the_World%22,_Then_Promotes_Microsoft%27s_Proprietary_Surveillance_While_Microsoft_Attacks_Linux.shtml #news | Jul 29 08:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Says It "Want[s] to be the Best Open-Source Company in the World", Then Promotes Microsoft's Proprietary Surveillance While Microsoft Attacks Linux | Jul 29 08:26 | |
| DaemonFC | I might make some liver and onions on Saturday. | Jul 29 08:28 |
| DaemonFC | Ten bucks for everything I need is a pretty cheap meal. | Jul 29 08:28 |
| DaemonFC | <matey> /me wonders why owl is dressed as a babushka, but its fine | Jul 29 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | Obvious homosexual propaganda. | Jul 29 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | XRevan86? | Jul 29 08:32 |
| techrights-news | Windows Has Had a Very Tough Year (That’s Why Microsoft Starts to Block GNU/Linux With ’Secure’ Boot) | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/tough-windows-year/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/29/tough-windows-year/ | Jul 29 08:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Windows Has Had a Very Tough Year (That’s Why Microsoft Starts to Block GNU/Linux With ‘Secure’ Boot) | Techrights | Jul 29 08:35 | |
| techrights-news | The worst summer with COVID-19 so far. https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/29/worst-summer-covid/ | Jul 29 08:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » A Tale of Three COVID Summers, as Told by UK Hospitals | Jul 29 08:36 | |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC, matey: The owl is female in this version. | Jul 29 08:40 |
| XRevan86 | matey: Let me guess, activelow is harassing them over C features used. | Jul 29 08:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Thursday, July 28, 2022 | Techrights | Jul 29 08:52 | |
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| techrights-ipfs-bot | (ℹ) Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-28.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-29.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi | Jul 29 09:30 |
| matey | /me is mesmerised by the simplicity (it is inefficient at least) of an algorithm he wrote | Jul 29 09:37 |
| matey | im not great at this stuff, never claimed to be | Jul 29 09:37 |
| matey | but what it does is let you pipe text in, and it sorts the text by linecount per "group" | Jul 29 09:38 |
| matey | a group being 1 or more consecutive lines without any blank lines between | Jul 29 09:38 |
| matey | so if you concatenate 3 walls of text that are 170, 50 and 128 lines each | Jul 29 09:40 |
| matey | it will give you those back with the 50-line one first, then the 128-line one, etc | Jul 29 09:40 |
| matey | theres only one buffer (a list) and no dictionaries and no sort command / function | Jul 29 09:41 |
| matey | i was SUPER lazy that day, or i might have traded simplicity for efficiency or something | Jul 29 09:41 |
| matey | but i was trying to figure out how the program worked, as i wrote it some time ago, and i opened it up to look at the code and i was like | Jul 29 09:42 |
| matey | /me turns it upside down, looks behind the screen | Jul 29 09:42 |
| matey | THATS IT? | Jul 29 09:42 |
| matey | wheres the rest of it | Jul 29 09:42 |
| matey | its not really bragging if you know its not great | Jul 29 09:42 |
| matey | but it still impresses me | Jul 29 09:43 |
| matey | if i had made it more efficient, btw, it might use a lot more ram | Jul 29 09:44 |
| matey | and i wanted it to work on large files | Jul 29 09:44 |
| matey | but i could have designed it better | Jul 29 09:44 |
| matey | presently its working on 15mb of text | Jul 29 09:45 |
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| techrights-news | [Meme] “Truly a Landmark Occasion” | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/epo-landmark-occasion/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/29/epo-landmark-occasion/ | Jul 29 09:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] “Truly a Landmark Occasion” | Techrights | Jul 29 09:49 | |
| matey | with the voices, animation and facial expressions, vinnie pooh really makes me think of south park | Jul 29 09:51 |
| matey | when vinnie pooh walks and sings, hes basically marching, which i think is priceless | Jul 29 09:52 |
| matey | the original pooh doesnt march, its something he basically never does | Jul 29 09:53 |
| matey | pooh isnt militant-- of course, it was never forbidden :) | Jul 29 09:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | vinnie winnie? | Jul 29 09:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | matey: http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/bribing-the-rivals/ | Jul 29 09:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | OSI | Jul 29 09:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Bribing Everyone: Canonical, ‘Linux’ Foundation, OSI… (Those That Should Push Back Against Microsoft Crimes) | Techrights | Jul 29 09:54 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | OSILF | Jul 29 09:55 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | LFISO | Jul 29 09:55 |
| matey | its still a very childlike marching | Jul 29 09:55 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | LSOF | Jul 29 09:55 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | ls open files | Jul 29 09:55 |
| matey | OSILF <- osi id like to fuck? | Jul 29 09:55 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Linux and Source Open Foundation | Jul 29 09:55 |
| matey | open source id like to fuck | Jul 29 09:55 |
| matey | no, but it can get fucked anyway | Jul 29 09:55 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | MILF = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_Islamic_Liberation_Front | Jul 29 09:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Moro Islamic Liberation Front - Wikipedia | Jul 29 09:56 | |
| matey | ROFL | Jul 29 09:56 |
| matey | ive seen that | Jul 29 09:56 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | ok | Jul 29 09:56 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it's more famous | Jul 29 09:56 |
| matey | its still funny | Jul 29 09:56 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but not in USlansd | Jul 29 09:56 |
| matey | i mean anyone who uses wikipedia has fair odds of seeing it sooner or later | Jul 29 09:56 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_conflict | Jul 29 09:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Moro conflict - Wikipedia | Jul 29 09:57 | |
| matey | disambiguation pages are priceless sometimes | Jul 29 09:57 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Region_in_Muslim_Mindanao | Jul 29 09:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao - Wikipedia | Jul 29 09:57 | |
| matey | you dont have to know anything about the politics to stumble onto that article | Jul 29 09:57 |
| matey | this is the genius of wikipedia | Jul 29 09:57 |
| matey | its certainly not in their deletion mob, erm, "process" | Jul 29 09:57 |
| matey | candidates for speedy lynching | Jul 29 09:57 |
| matey | its an imperfect process to be sure | Jul 29 09:58 |
| matey | but it definitely overlaps with little wannabe fascist toddler spite brigades | Jul 29 09:59 |
| matey | hopefully they lead lives that are just as miserable as phanes would guess they do | Jul 29 09:59 |
| matey | "tiny little hitlers" <- donald glovers take on what kids are really like | Jul 29 10:00 |
| matey | he means small children | Jul 29 10:01 |
| matey | "kids are awful, awful people" :) | Jul 29 10:01 |
| matey | hes not excluding himself when he was a kid. hes saying they all are | Jul 29 10:02 |
| matey | kids are people that havent figured out how to be human yet | Jul 29 10:02 |
| matey | thats the joke anyway | Jul 29 10:02 |
| matey | if he was entirely serious it wouldnt be comedy, or something | Jul 29 10:03 |
| matey | you can extend this to wikipedia in a similar fashion, but i (technically) wont | Jul 29 10:04 |
| matey | the number of times ive gone to wikipedia to look something up only to find it was gone makes it somewhat of a farce | Jul 29 10:08 |
| matey | its extremely useful anyway obviously | Jul 29 10:08 |
| matey | but the overall sentiment is one of disgust | Jul 29 10:08 |
| matey | i like wikipedia but i hate it that much more | Jul 29 10:09 |
| matey | people must think i hate everything, but that isnt remotely true | Jul 29 10:09 |
| matey | the things i hate the most are things that used to be great, before someone fucked them up | Jul 29 10:09 |
| matey | a lot of the stuff on wp is great-- before someone fucks it up | Jul 29 10:09 |
| matey | debian was (imo) great before someone fucked it up | Jul 29 10:09 |
| matey | the fsf was definitely great before someone fucked it up | Jul 29 10:10 |
| matey | some things are still great | Jul 29 10:10 |
| matey | fewer, to be sure :/ the fuckers have been awfully busy | Jul 29 10:10 |
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| matey | but this isnt what its like to hate everything. i cant imagine. | Jul 29 10:10 |
| matey | buglists do not have to balance the good and the bad | Jul 29 10:11 |
| matey | severity: CRITICAL (but its still a nice program, really) | Jul 29 10:11 |
| matey | of course its a nice program. if it wasnt, you wouldnt bother fixing it would you | Jul 29 10:12 |
| matey | severity: CRITICAL (but who cares, its a piece of shit and always will be) | Jul 29 10:12 |
| matey | why even open a ticket then | Jul 29 10:13 |
| matey | the sole word i understand in all of vinnie pooh is "spasiba" | Jul 29 10:15 |
| matey | unless you count the names | Jul 29 10:15 |
| matey | ill feel cheated if he doesnt say "blin" at least once | Jul 29 10:16 |
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| matey | xrevan, psydroid (may destroy your childhood) <- fair warning https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wkWQhqWbTpc | Jul 29 10:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Russian Winnie Pooh - Invidious | Jul 29 10:26 | |
| matey | xrevan "ive seen it" | Jul 29 10:26 |
| matey | wrong link though | Jul 29 10:27 |
| matey | this one: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7Wa1tafVp5I | Jul 29 10:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Putin sings russian winnie the pooh - Invidious | Jul 29 10:28 | |
| techrights-news | Microsoft is just blatantly trying to obstruct BSD and Linux from even booting on new desktops/laptops, having simply resorted to illegal tactics while bribing those who would otherwise deposit a complaint with the authorities http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/tough-windows-year/ | Jul 29 10:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Windows Has Had a Very Tough Year (That’s Why Microsoft Starts to Block GNU/Linux With ‘Secure’ Boot) | Techrights | Jul 29 10:40 | |
| techrights-news | Don’t expect the Linux Foundation or OSI to speak out against Microsoft’s latest crimes http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/bribing-the-rivals/ | Jul 29 10:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Bribing Everyone: Canonical, ‘Linux’ Foundation, OSI… (Those That Should Push Back Against Microsoft Crimes) | Techrights | Jul 29 10:43 | |
| techrights-news | With about 1 patent application in 100,000, Montenegro is truly a cause for celebration for EPO presidents like Benoît Battistelli and António Campinos, who simply buy votes http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/epo-landmark-occasion/ | Jul 29 10:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] “Truly a Landmark Occasion” | Techrights | Jul 29 10:43 | |
| techrights-news | "The developers of LibreOffice have released updates for the open source Office suite to patch three security issues." https://www.ghacks.net/2022/07/27/libreoffice-security-update-fixes-macro-execution-bypass-and-potential-password-leaking/ | Jul 29 10:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ghacks.net | LibreOffice security update fixes macro execution bypass and potential password leaking - gHacks Tech News | Jul 29 10:44 | |
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| psydruid | This isn't directly related to tech, but it is kind of what has been done to the FSF, GNU and free software in general | Jul 29 10:59 |
| psydruid | https://www.eurosport.co.uk/cycling/tour-de-france/2022/erik-ten-hag-how-manchester-united-boss-inspired-masterplan-to-topple-tadej-pogacar-at-tour-de-franc_sto9064930/story.shtml | Jul 29 10:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eurosport.com | NO TITLE | Jul 29 10:59 | |
| psydruid | And it can be used against Microsoft, IBM, LF, OSI etc. | Jul 29 11:00 |
| psydruid | Just "attack, attack, attack" and tear them apart | Jul 29 11:01 |
| matey | attacking microsoft is good of course | Jul 29 11:03 |
| matey | when youre facing oligarchs and up against the mass media | Jul 29 11:03 |
| matey | "attack attack attack" is useful but looks a little different | Jul 29 11:04 |
| matey | you can attack attack attack bill gates and the epstein connection for example | Jul 29 11:04 |
| matey | but the reason it worked against stallman was twofold | Jul 29 11:04 |
| matey | 1. the msm has zero principles-- only fake principles it can throw out at will | Jul 29 11:05 |
| matey | 2. they had enough traitors on the inside | Jul 29 11:05 |
| matey | we dont have the msm, we dont have 3000 traitors on the other side | Jul 29 11:05 |
| matey | so by no means am i saying dont try | Jul 29 11:05 |
| matey | only when youre calculating the odds of success, its not the same equation | Jul 29 11:05 |
| matey | now heres what was accomplished, historically, despite these odds | Jul 29 11:06 |
| matey | the free software movement WAS created | Jul 29 11:06 |
| matey | it DID pose a serious threat to microsoft | Jul 29 11:06 |
| matey | it could again | Jul 29 11:06 |
| matey | what STOPPED it was counterrevolution | Jul 29 11:07 |
| matey | open source was a wildly effective counterrevolution | Jul 29 11:07 |
| matey | so if we did all that again | Jul 29 11:07 |
| matey | INCLUDING attack attack attack | Jul 29 11:07 |
| matey | and we told open source counterrevolutionaries to fuck themselves with a tree | Jul 29 11:07 |
| matey | we could do it again | Jul 29 11:08 |
| matey | it worked the first time, the major mistake was listening to these corporate-sucking cunts | Jul 29 11:08 |
| matey | that took free software completely off course | Jul 29 11:08 |
| matey | do it again, learn from history | Jul 29 11:08 |
| matey | and attack attack attack | Jul 29 11:09 |
| matey | THAT can work | Jul 29 11:09 |
| matey | but even then, its not the same as what they did to us. because we dont have the msm (they dont care. they never do) and we dont have 3000 traitors to giafam on our side | Jul 29 11:09 |
| matey | maybe someday we can inspire people to defect | Jul 29 11:09 |
| matey | and theres no time like today to start trying-- provided people understand | Jul 29 11:10 |
| matey | its going to take time to rebuild | Jul 29 11:10 |
| matey | and open source was never an ally | Jul 29 11:10 |
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| matey | open source helped free software about as much as switzerland helped the british in wwii | Jul 29 11:10 |
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| matey | while attack attack attack may not have the same effect when it moves in the opposite direction | Jul 29 11:12 |
| matey | when seen as victorious-- as meaningful, powerful | Jul 29 11:12 |
| matey | it can inspire other people to attack and to join | Jul 29 11:12 |
| matey | the fsf used to inspire people that way | Jul 29 11:12 |
| matey | now everything it does is empty, meaningless, easy to dismiss | Jul 29 11:12 |
| matey | "we fight for" no you dont | Jul 29 11:12 |
| matey | you dont at all | Jul 29 11:13 |
| matey | you do nothing | Jul 29 11:13 |
| matey | you | Jul 29 11:13 |
| matey | DID, once | Jul 29 11:13 |
| matey | for a long time, more than osi, more than mozilla | Jul 29 11:13 |
| matey | more than esr | Jul 29 11:13 |
| matey | esr didnt fight. he schemed. he may have schemed with good intentions | Jul 29 11:13 |
| matey | he thought he was SO fucking smart | Jul 29 11:14 |
| matey | today we see how smart he really was | Jul 29 11:14 |
| matey | :P | Jul 29 11:14 |
| matey | other people took chances, esr thought he could trick our opponent into losing | Jul 29 11:14 |
| matey | it was pretty fucking naive | Jul 29 11:14 |
| matey | listening to that bullshit and taking it seriously was naive on the part of free software | Jul 29 11:15 |
| matey | open source was a delusional approach | Jul 29 11:15 |
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| matey | based on completely misunderstanding the opponent | Jul 29 11:15 |
| matey | and overestimating esrs intelligence | Jul 29 11:15 |
| matey | his entire strategy was nonsense, historically easy to debunk | Jul 29 11:16 |
| matey | but we didnt realise that | Jul 29 11:16 |
| matey | i think some people always knew what a crock it was | Jul 29 11:16 |
| matey | we should have listened to them more closely | Jul 29 11:16 |
| matey | stallman, for his part, did far too much to underestimate microsoft | Jul 29 11:17 |
| matey | and open source | Jul 29 11:17 |
| matey | if we intend to make those mistakes again | Jul 29 11:17 |
| matey | theres not much point in trying | Jul 29 11:17 |
| matey | i think theres a point, but only if we learn from that lesson | Jul 29 11:17 |
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| matey | imagine competing with microsoft for years-- as a software company | Jul 29 11:18 |
| matey | only to get bought by them | Jul 29 11:18 |
| matey | "this is great! weve finally become so FORMIDABLE that they want to own what we do!" | Jul 29 11:18 |
| matey | "yeah but once they own us theyll just destroy whats theirs" | Jul 29 11:18 |
| matey | "why would they do that to an asset so good they cant compete?" | Jul 29 11:19 |
| matey | gee, how about because-- its exactly what theyve always done | Jul 29 11:19 |
| matey | and stupid fucking free/open | Jul 29 11:19 |
| matey | decided they were the exception to this rule | Jul 29 11:19 |
| matey | dum dum dum dum dum | Jul 29 11:19 |
| matey | as dum as thinking ibm wouldnt destroy red hat | Jul 29 11:20 |
| matey | b | Jul 29 11:20 |
| matey | theyve certainly gutted it nicely | Jul 29 11:20 |
| psydruid | maybe gutting red hat was even the plan | Jul 29 11:20 |
| matey | of course it was the plan | Jul 29 11:21 |
| matey | ibm Is Basically Microsoft | Jul 29 11:21 |
| matey | this is what they do | Jul 29 11:21 |
| matey | its like elections with a good candidate | Jul 29 11:21 |
| matey | a good candidate has no chance | Jul 29 11:22 |
| psydruid | red hat shopping itself around to companies including microsoft should have been a clear enough message | Jul 29 11:22 |
| matey | their own party destroys them | Jul 29 11:22 |
| matey | then the candidate ENDORSES the "real" chance of winning | Jul 29 11:22 |
| matey | ibm will lock in red hat customers | Jul 29 11:22 |
| matey | then move them gradually to whatever they want | Jul 29 11:22 |
| matey | its not a product-- its a cattle chute. | Jul 29 11:22 |
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| matey | they own the chute, they can move people where they want it to go | Jul 29 11:23 |
| matey | microsoft does this with windows | Jul 29 11:23 |
| psydruid | so now all of the commercial distributions with developers working on the core stack are in the Microsoft/IBM camp | Jul 29 11:23 |
| matey | the sole purpose of windows-- isnt software | Jul 29 11:23 |
| matey | its to make customers do things microsoft wants | Jul 29 11:23 |
| matey | so now all of the commercial distributions with developers working on the core stack are in the Microsoft/IBM camp <- thanks to systemd | Jul 29 11:23 |
| matey | theyre working for ibm, for free | Jul 29 11:24 |
| matey | most are working for free | Jul 29 11:24 |
| matey | to find out what ibm is really paying their "employees" | Jul 29 11:24 |
| matey | take the people they pay a salary to | Jul 29 11:24 |
| matey | then divide that by the number of people working on it | Jul 29 11:24 |
| matey | then multiply THAT by the number of people it takes for volunteers to add up to a 40 hour work week | Jul 29 11:25 |
| matey | then you have what people are really making per hour | Jul 29 11:25 |
| matey | commercial free software is a sweatship | Jul 29 11:25 |
| matey | sweatshop | Jul 29 11:25 |
| matey | if its for a cause that benefits the world-- its real volunteer work | Jul 29 11:25 |
| matey | if its for a cause that COSTS the world and benefits a multinational | Jul 29 11:25 |
| matey | thats exploitation, plain and simple | Jul 29 11:25 |
| matey | theyre working for a rounding error salary beneath minimum wage | Jul 29 11:26 |
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| matey | red hat is a sweatshop | Jul 29 11:26 |
| matey | debian is a sweatshop too | Jul 29 11:26 |
| matey | this isnt free software, its slave software | Jul 29 11:26 |
| matey | stallman is dead | Jul 29 11:26 |
| matey | red hat is eating his corpse | Jul 29 11:27 |
| matey | hes being slowly digested | Jul 29 11:27 |
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| matey | people would do well to remember what things were like, when we were winning | Jul 29 11:28 |
| matey | it wasnt just the results that were different | Jul 29 11:28 |
| matey | we still did things the right way (mostly) back then | Jul 29 11:28 |
| matey | im not saying the big shift towards corporate dick sucking was the only mistake worth learning from | Jul 29 11:28 |
| psydruid | a whole approach doesn't just take software into account but also hardware, it's just that people don't realize their own power when it comes to buying products and supporting these corporations | Jul 29 11:28 |
| psydruid | https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Gen9-To-Legacy-Model | Jul 29 11:28 |
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| matey | a whole approach doesn't just take software into account but also hardware <- it didnt have to when the fsf started | Jul 29 11:29 |
| matey | but it does now | Jul 29 11:29 |
| matey | the fsf can say thats not their focus-- thats fine | Jul 29 11:29 |
| matey | but like with free culture | Jul 29 11:29 |
| psydruid | Intel is moving support for graphics that are merely 2 years old to legacy status | Jul 29 11:29 |
| matey | if thats not their focus, they need to stay out of free hardwares way with their bullshit | Jul 29 11:29 |
| matey | i dont mean agree on everything | Jul 29 11:29 |
| matey | i mean dont use their support network to keep free hardware from succeeding | Jul 29 11:30 |
| matey | fsf isnt a monopoly | Jul 29 11:30 |
| matey | but sometimes it behaves in a way that would be antitrust, if a for-profit did it | Jul 29 11:30 |
| psydruid | I expect these corporations to interfere with free hardware when it starts hitting their bottom line | Jul 29 11:30 |
| matey | i mean they abuse their influence to spread bullshit-- not as a rule, but some important and key exceptions | Jul 29 11:30 |
| matey | we cant allow that with free hardware | Jul 29 11:30 |
| matey | free culture is guilty of the same | Jul 29 11:31 |
| matey | cc betrayed the whole world-- twice! | Jul 29 11:31 |
| matey | first regarding their own mission | Jul 29 11:31 |
| matey | then regarding free softwae | Jul 29 11:31 |
| matey | cc should be scrapped | Jul 29 11:31 |
| matey | I expect these corporations to interfere with free hardware when it starts hitting their bottom line <- hell they do already | Jul 29 11:31 |
| matey | they always will | Jul 29 11:31 |
| matey | without an anti-corporate movement | Jul 29 11:32 |
| matey | i dont think this stuff will ever work for more than 20 years | Jul 29 11:32 |
| matey | without having to start over again | Jul 29 11:32 |
| matey | some people, lessig for example | Jul 29 11:32 |
| matey | they realise theres a bigger picture and they go off to fight that | Jul 29 11:32 |
| matey | its noble | Jul 29 11:32 |
| matey | but someone has to stay behind and stay focused on the smaller stuff | Jul 29 11:33 |
| matey | like its not enough to fight corporations-- and ignore what we were doing before | Jul 29 11:33 |
| matey | but its also not enough to do what we were doing before-- and ignore corporate tyranny | Jul 29 11:33 |
| matey | the fsf does the latter, and fails | Jul 29 11:33 |
| matey | humanity has to stand up now | Jul 29 11:33 |
| matey | or it will be mowed down | Jul 29 11:33 |
| matey | theres no more time | Jul 29 11:34 |
| matey | and the new fsf can eat a dick | Jul 29 11:34 |
| matey | despite all this, ive spent years looking for hope somewhere | Jul 29 11:35 |
| matey | it exists | Jul 29 11:35 |
| matey | we have a chance | Jul 29 11:35 |
| matey | its just that we dont have all the time in the world | Jul 29 11:36 |
| matey | what people need to do is think of something that might help-- in some way | Jul 29 11:36 |
| matey | and do it | Jul 29 11:36 |
| matey | and encourage each other to do the same | Jul 29 11:36 |
| matey | but also, warn each other not to fall for the same bullshit again | Jul 29 11:37 |
| matey | thats where theres a lot of slack | Jul 29 11:37 |
| matey | the old bullshit is pretty relentless | Jul 29 11:37 |
| matey | if you want to win against old bullshit, you have to be pretty relentless too | Jul 29 11:37 |
| matey | esr never was | Jul 29 11:37 |
| matey | relentless compromise isnt what im talking about here | Jul 29 11:37 |
| matey | join us now and shareholder value <- the esr song | Jul 29 11:38 |
| matey | stupid dick | Jul 29 11:38 |
| matey | from the beginning of open source, it looked less stupid | Jul 29 11:38 |
| matey | here we are on the other side, and theyre even dumber | Jul 29 11:39 |
| matey | if they were smart at all, they would see where they fucked up | Jul 29 11:39 |
| matey | but it was never about that. they only care about what they ACTUALLY HAVE now | Jul 29 11:39 |
| matey | and what they have now, is dick. | Jul 29 11:39 |
| matey | and theyre happy. | Jul 29 11:39 |
| matey | so they never wanted very much. just dick. | Jul 29 11:39 |
| matey | thats stupid | Jul 29 11:39 |
| matey | "youll have absolutely dick, and youll be happy" | Jul 29 11:40 |
| matey | open source dovetails so nicely with that shit | Jul 29 11:40 |
| matey | its like the historical revisionism of southern slavery | Jul 29 11:41 |
| matey | our slaves were happy slaves! we gave them a HOME, we gave them FOOD | Jul 29 11:41 |
| matey | we were doing something GOOD! | Jul 29 11:41 |
| matey | fuck off | Jul 29 11:41 |
| matey | red hat and debian are sweatshops | Jul 29 11:41 |
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| matey | and they do the same to users | Jul 29 11:42 |
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| psydruid | x86 hardware sales are down, but I don't know if this is going to be a permanent thing | Jul 29 11:45 |
| matey | i mean, graphs like that go /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ | Jul 29 11:45 |
| matey | but not in this direction -----------> | Jul 29 11:45 |
| matey | they do that in a general downward trend | Jul 29 11:45 |
| psydruid | also IBM POWER and Z don't seem to be used that much anymore | Jul 29 11:45 |
| matey | Z :) | Jul 29 11:45 |
| matey | because naming their technology "swastika" would be too awkward | Jul 29 11:46 |
| psydruid | so if the hardware isn't bought, you also cut off their software supply | Jul 29 11:46 |
| matey | yeah well cutting off the spread of ibm software is like cutting off the spread of hiv | Jul 29 11:46 |
| matey | it can only be a good thing | Jul 29 11:46 |
| matey | too bad that includes gcc (needs forked) | Jul 29 11:47 |
| matey | gcc may be nearly impossible to fork, but llvm is worse in that regard | Jul 29 11:47 |
| matey | it includes gdb as well | Jul 29 11:47 |
| matey | ibm has bigger assets than red hat | Jul 29 11:47 |
| matey | yes i consider gcc more valuable than red hat | Jul 29 11:47 |
| matey | but theyre joined at the fucking hip | Jul 29 11:48 |
| matey | suppose ibm goes under, what happens to gcc | Jul 29 11:48 |
| matey | there are mirrors | Jul 29 11:48 |
| matey | who works on them? | Jul 29 11:48 |
| matey | theres a culture behind all this | Jul 29 11:48 |
| matey | that culture is whats being dismantled | Jul 29 11:49 |
| matey | so roy can say ibm will die, and it should, the sooner the better | Jul 29 11:49 |
| matey | but ask him whats going to happen to gcc, he hasnt got a clue | Jul 29 11:49 |
| matey | only one who does is eben moglen | Jul 29 11:50 |
| matey | and he threatened someones job! so i guess its not important | Jul 29 11:50 |
| matey | WE HAVE RULES | Jul 29 11:50 |
| psydruid | we'll have systemd-compilerd at least | Jul 29 11:50 |
| matey | heh | Jul 29 11:50 |
| psydruid | so no problem | Jul 29 11:50 |
| matey | a little cynicism is informative | Jul 29 11:51 |
| matey | a lot of cynicism is mincer | Jul 29 11:51 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | lol | Jul 29 11:51 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | bringing light to issues | Jul 29 11:52 |
| matey | yeah i mean | Jul 29 11:52 |
| matey | you need someone who can poke holes in bullshit | Jul 29 11:52 |
| matey | hes good at that | Jul 29 11:52 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | gcc is not ibm | Jul 29 11:52 |
| psydruid | this is what I imagine Russian Winnie the Pooh to be like | Jul 29 11:52 |
| matey | you also need people who are crazy enough to go forward with an imperfect plan | Jul 29 11:52 |
| matey | when its the best we can muster | Jul 29 11:52 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | gcc is some hardware companies, suse, ibm | Jul 29 11:52 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it's more than ibm | Jul 29 11:52 |
| matey | <schestowitz[TR2]> gcc is not ibm <- i dont have a problem i can stop drinking anytime i want | Jul 29 11:53 |
| matey | good luck with that | Jul 29 11:53 |
| matey | gcc is 95% ibm | Jul 29 11:53 |
| psydruid | be as cynical as mincer and go around hitting people with a wooden bat singing "pom pom pom pom pom" | Jul 29 11:53 |
| matey | so you take your 5% and have fun | Jul 29 11:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | ibm pushes powerx to gcc | Jul 29 11:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | gcc does many other archs | Jul 29 11:53 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | that compete with ibm | Jul 29 11:53 |
| matey | i love that you think that changes the fact that ibm controls gcc | Jul 29 11:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | no way 95% | Jul 29 11:54 |
| matey | in fact it already did | Jul 29 11:54 |
| matey | it simply expands that | Jul 29 11:54 |
| matey | only moglen is worried | Jul 29 11:54 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | show that 95% of commits are |ibm empoloyees 100% of the time" | Jul 29 11:54 |
| matey | the rest are naive | Jul 29 11:54 |
| matey | <schestowitz[TR2]> show that 95% of commits are |ibm empoloyees 100% of the time" ITS THEIR TURF | Jul 29 11:54 |
| matey | they control the repo. they control the other devs. | Jul 29 11:54 |
| psydruid | red hat is ibm | Jul 29 11:54 |
| psydruid | sourceware is ibm | Jul 29 11:54 |
| matey | they also are substantial contributors | Jul 29 11:55 |
| matey | you really do suck at this kind of math. | Jul 29 11:55 |
| matey | i suck at every kind of math, but this one is easy | Jul 29 11:55 |
| matey | <psydruid> sourceware is ibm <- yep | Jul 29 11:55 |
| matey | and it does go beyond sourceware | Jul 29 11:55 |
| matey | cancelling stallman was part of controlling gcc | Jul 29 11:55 |
| matey | anyone who misses that is just sucking their thumb | Jul 29 11:56 |
| matey | im not saying that was the primary objective | Jul 29 11:56 |
| matey | im saying it was a factor | Jul 29 11:56 |
| matey | again, moglen is the only one sounding the alarm on this | Jul 29 11:56 |
| matey | fsf might be deaf | Jul 29 11:56 |
| matey | or just stupid | Jul 29 11:56 |
| matey | or just worthless | Jul 29 11:57 |
| matey | they cant even defend themselves, but they fight for users? | Jul 29 11:57 |
| matey | and what do they want from us? money? | Jul 29 11:57 |
| matey | please | Jul 29 11:57 |
| matey | fight and get paid to keep doing it | Jul 29 11:58 |
| psydruid | our hearts and minds | Jul 29 11:58 |
| matey | throw the fight and dont expect to be paid to keep doing it | Jul 29 11:58 |
| psydruid | for the cause of free deadware | Jul 29 11:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://lwn.net/Articles/857791/ | Jul 29 11:58 |
| matey | hearts and minds <- the battle cry of the cynical candidate | Jul 29 11:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GCC drops its copyright-assignment requirement [LWN.net] | Jul 29 11:58 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151827 | Jul 29 11:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FSF Copyright Assignment and GCC, GCC 9.4 Released | Tux Machines | Jul 29 11:59 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | many links tghere | Jul 29 11:59 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | dozens | Jul 29 11:59 |
| matey | omg links | Jul 29 11:59 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | http://techrights.org/2021/06/02/gcc-copyright-assignment/ | Jul 29 11:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | It Remains Largely Unclear Whose Idea It Was to Change GCC Copyright Assignment Practices (or How/Why It Started) | Techrights | Jul 29 11:59 | |
| matey | <schestowitz[TR2]> https://lwn.net/Articles/857791/ <- zero relevance | Jul 29 11:59 |
| matey | maybe less | Jul 29 11:59 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | brb | Jul 29 11:59 |
| matey | youre looking for a way to deny this trend | Jul 29 11:59 |
| matey | dont bother, its foolish | Jul 29 12:00 |
| matey | if you dont do this in a thumb-in-your-arse kind of way, all the pieces fit nicely | Jul 29 12:00 |
| matey | if you want to deny shit, all you do is multiply the unanswered questions severalfold | Jul 29 12:00 |
| matey | which is great if you want to blog about all of those | Jul 29 12:00 |
| matey | LOOK HOW BUSY WE ARE | Jul 29 12:01 |
| matey | yeah, paying yourself to dig holes | Jul 29 12:01 |
| matey | but the real question is, but the REAL question is, but the real QUESTION is... | Jul 29 12:01 |
| matey | nope, nope, nope | Jul 29 12:01 |
| matey | the real question is why youre so well-adapted to running away from answers | Jul 29 12:02 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | you made an assertion | Jul 29 12:02 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | gcc is ibm | Jul 29 12:02 |
| matey | ive made plenty of assertions | Jul 29 12:02 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | prove they are vast majority of gcc commits | Jul 29 12:02 |
| matey | i wish i would be right less often... | Jul 29 12:02 |
| matey | <schestowitz[TR2]> prove they are vast majority of gcc commits <- youre being silly | Jul 29 12:02 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | no | Jul 29 12:02 |
| matey | youre asking me to prove shit that doesnt even matter | Jul 29 12:02 |
| matey | its not about commits-- but i explained that | Jul 29 12:03 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | i need the facs on this | Jul 29 12:03 |
| matey | prove your head isnt a cube. | Jul 29 12:03 |
| matey | i need the facs on this <- no you dont | Jul 29 12:03 |
| matey | i give you the facts, you ask me to prove things they DONT DEPEND ON | Jul 29 12:03 |
| matey | its not about the number of commits. its YOUR assertion that metric is the meaningful one | Jul 29 12:03 |
| matey | not mine. | Jul 29 12:03 |
| matey | youre moving the goalposts or changing the subject | Jul 29 12:04 |
| matey | go right ahead. youre only running from the truth | Jul 29 12:04 |
| matey | some of us care about this stuff | Jul 29 12:04 |
| matey | you can pursue the truth yourself, you can give me real reason im wrong instead of wasting both our time | Jul 29 12:05 |
| matey | you can actually do whatever its pleases you to do | Jul 29 12:05 |
| matey | but if you want to be right, id pay better attention. | Jul 29 12:05 |
| matey | choice is always yours | Jul 29 12:05 |
| matey | hell, you sure dont work for me | Jul 29 12:05 |
| matey | you spend your time on alex gravely | Jul 29 12:05 |
| matey | it wont DO anything, but its mildly interesting | Jul 29 12:06 |
| matey | to me, gcc being at stake is more interesting | Jul 29 12:06 |
| matey | but "we" dont cover that because "we" dont know shit about it | Jul 29 12:06 |
| matey | and i dont think its better to make things up | Jul 29 12:06 |
| matey | but are you even looking? no, youre Looking Away | Jul 29 12:07 |
| matey | again, your choice | Jul 29 12:07 |
| matey | mine to critique too | Jul 29 12:07 |
| matey | i think its foolish to dismiss this | Jul 29 12:07 |
| matey | but you get to if you want to | Jul 29 12:07 |
| matey | and hey, everyone but moglen seems to think its alright | Jul 29 12:08 |
| matey | ibm is probably doing what theyre doing (that moglen addressed) for nothing | Jul 29 12:08 |
| matey | its not part of a plan or a strategy | Jul 29 12:08 |
| matey | with gcc ibm is just throwing shit at the wall | Jul 29 12:08 |
| matey | im sure... | Jul 29 12:08 |
| matey | i still think gcc is more forkable than llvm | Jul 29 12:10 |
| matey | what i dont know is-- how forkable is gcc? | Jul 29 12:10 |
| matey | time will tell | Jul 29 12:10 |
| matey | maybe we will all be using rust by then :/ | Jul 29 12:10 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | suse is still a big parrt of gcc | Jul 29 12:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | inc. official announcemnre | Jul 29 12:11 |
| matey | oh, suse | Jul 29 12:11 |
| matey | well, now i feel better | Jul 29 12:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | syou could make the case that whgile suse competes with red hat | Jul 29 12:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it is still very close to ibm | Jul 29 12:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | re power deployuments and hpc | Jul 29 12:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and that novell's last ceo was from ivbm | Jul 29 12:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | as were many other novell execs | Jul 29 12:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but gcc is not ibm | Jul 29 12:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | ibm is a big part | Jul 29 12:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | ut there are many stakeholkders other than ibm | Jul 29 12:12 |
| matey | ibm is the part that does the steering and the hosting | Jul 29 12:12 |
| matey | they also do development | Jul 29 12:12 |
| matey | the rest is gravy | Jul 29 12:12 |
| matey | ibm is the one moving to cut free software out of gcc | Jul 29 12:12 |
| matey | and turn it into something more mozilla-like | Jul 29 12:12 |
| matey | if it takes them 15 years, theyll do it anyway | Jul 29 12:12 |
| matey | why shouldnt they, when no one will even try to stop them | Jul 29 12:12 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | what about google, arm, intelll? | Jul 29 12:12 |
| matey | what about baphometos? | Jul 29 12:13 |
| matey | as far as i know, google and arm and intel are not the major factors in this problem | Jul 29 12:13 |
| matey | i dont even understand the question | Jul 29 12:13 |
| matey | seems like a change of subject | Jul 29 12:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | they also play a role | Jul 29 12:14 |
| matey | but not THE role | Jul 29 12:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | they also do not agree with rms | Jul 29 12:14 |
| matey | thats ibm. again. | Jul 29 12:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | assuming rms as a bropther, aarson (AAS) | Jul 29 12:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | who worked at IBM | Jul 29 12:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | *aaron | Jul 29 12:14 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | sorry, standing while typing | Jul 29 12:14 |
| matey | they also do not agree with rms <- are you implying that people who disagree with rms therefore have control of gcc? | Jul 29 12:15 |
| matey | because thats certainly not my argument | Jul 29 12:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | *ASS, not AAS | Jul 29 12:15 |
| matey | im implying that ibm has more control over gcc than any other party | Jul 29 12:15 |
| matey | also, ibm is the one moving to have more control | Jul 29 12:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | that\'s true | Jul 29 12:15 |
| matey | do you see anyone else doing that? i do not. | Jul 29 12:15 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but not all parties combined | Jul 29 12:15 |
| matey | i honestly dont beleve it matters to them | Jul 29 12:16 |
| matey | ibm and intel have a "special relationship" | Jul 29 12:16 |
| matey | when blair stands up to the iraq bullshit, ill expect intel to give two shits about this | Jul 29 12:16 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | a lot of giafam do | Jul 29 12:16 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | i=ibm, intel | Jul 29 12:16 |
| matey | depends on what you mean by "this" | Jul 29 12:16 |
| matey | i happen to mean "gcc" | Jul 29 12:16 |
| matey | unless you think intel is going to stand up to ibm on this | Jul 29 12:17 |
| matey | or care if ibm controls gcc | Jul 29 12:17 |
| matey | intel doesnt matter here | Jul 29 12:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | i'll come bakc to this | Jul 29 12:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | later | Jul 29 12:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I need to stand a bit | Jul 29 12:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and read my draft | Jul 29 12:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | for my health | Jul 29 12:17 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | too many typos for irc | Jul 29 12:17 |
| matey | its not going to get solved today anyway | Jul 29 12:18 |
| matey | but the purpose of sounding the alarm is to alert the people who can fight this | Jul 29 12:18 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | atym uefi a priority | Jul 29 12:18 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | plan is to bring it up every day | Jul 29 12:18 |
| matey | well theres too much going on to focus on just one thing, which you dont anyway | Jul 29 12:18 |
| matey | nor do i | Jul 29 12:18 |
| matey | but i dont make a habit of using one vital issue to discount or distract from another vital issue | Jul 29 12:19 |
| matey | unless you think alex gravely is that important | Jul 29 12:19 |
| matey | but i dont | Jul 29 12:19 |
| matey | github is/will do/ing fine without him | Jul 29 12:20 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | alex gravel | Jul 29 12:22 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | is a link | Jul 29 12:22 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | like many others | Jul 29 12:22 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | not rick allen jones | Jul 29 12:22 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | graveley is close buddies with de icaza and github ceo | Jul 29 12:22 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | why do you think they both took a hike? | Jul 29 12:22 |
| matey | its pretty obvious why | Jul 29 12:22 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | we''re looking into case's discovery | Jul 29 12:22 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | seems github has an inner crisis | Jul 29 12:22 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and he's just part of it | Jul 29 12:22 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | microsoft also wants azure to take over | Jul 29 12:23 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and github be used as a weapon against aws | Jul 29 12:23 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but it has not worked so far | Jul 29 12:23 |
| matey | truth vs marketing | Jul 29 12:23 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | http://techrights.org/2022/01/31/autonomy-of-free-software/ | Jul 29 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft GitHub Exposé — Part XVI — The Attack on the Autonomy of Free Software Carries on | Techrights | Jul 29 12:23 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | http://techrights.org/2021/11/08/github-helps-microsoft-monopoly/ | Jul 29 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Any Ongoing Participation in GitHub Helps Microsoft Attack Free Software | Techrights | Jul 29 12:24 | |
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| matey | http://techrights.org/2022/01/31/autonomy-of-free-software/ <- this was the dumbest article in the series | Jul 29 12:27 |
| matey | i swear you wrote that one just to troll openbsd again | Jul 29 12:27 |
| matey | some people wanted a problem | Jul 29 12:27 |
| matey | they were told no, and why | Jul 29 12:27 |
| matey | thats the whole store | Jul 29 12:27 |
| matey | story | Jul 29 12:27 |
| matey | from like how many years ago | Jul 29 12:27 |
| matey | wank. | Jul 29 12:27 |
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| matey | if people want to create a fork of openbsd on github, theyre always free to do so | Jul 29 12:28 |
| matey | it will die instantly | Jul 29 12:28 |
| matey | the openbsd developers have better things to do | Jul 29 12:28 |
| matey | github doesnt fit their workflow. they dont need their time wasted with pull-your-dick requests | Jul 29 12:29 |
| matey | but you took that old story and tried to make it look like a crisis | Jul 29 12:29 |
| matey | really stretching that one as far as it can go | Jul 29 12:29 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | (ℹ) Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-28.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-29.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi | Jul 29 12:30 |
| matey | the standard you hold openbsd to is laughable | Jul 29 12:30 |
| matey | its not enough for them to do the right thing while others fuck up | Jul 29 12:30 |
| matey | no, they also have to have everyone leave them alone and not try to tempt them | Jul 29 12:30 |
| matey | because thats LOOMING, years ago | Jul 29 12:30 |
| matey | its so ridiculous | Jul 29 12:30 |
| matey | your bias is through the goddamned roof | Jul 29 12:30 |
| matey | it has its own military | Jul 29 12:31 |
| matey | and people who actually use bsd can see right through the sad joke it is | Jul 29 12:31 |
| matey | youre just hating, the stories you "sound the alarm on" arent even news | Jul 29 12:31 |
| matey | weve seen them. we saw them. and you dig WAY WAY back to find them | Jul 29 12:31 |
| matey | bsd is obviously a threat to you | Jul 29 12:32 |
| matey | no, we supported" | Jul 29 12:32 |
| matey | no one needs that kind of support | Jul 29 12:32 |
| matey | but if you want to undermine your credibility with your wikipedia-editor like assaults on bsd | Jul 29 12:32 |
| matey | thats fine | Jul 29 12:32 |
| matey | squander your credibility on that. | Jul 29 12:32 |
| matey | ttp://techrights.org/2022/01/31/autonomy-of-free-software/ <- wank | Jul 29 12:33 |
| matey | even if the intention was to include it for completeness / to be thorough | Jul 29 12:33 |
| matey | the sheer amount of stretch makes the bias red-flag obvious | Jul 29 12:34 |
| matey | this is a game on your part | Jul 29 12:34 |
| matey | its not to be informative | Jul 29 12:34 |
| matey | and if you think you can undermine them with this | Jul 29 12:34 |
| matey | read the room | Jul 29 12:34 |
| matey | everybody knows your stance on openbsd is nonsense | Jul 29 12:35 |
| matey | theyve been the victim of double standards forever | Jul 29 12:35 |
| matey | much like stallman vs torvalds | Jul 29 12:35 |
| matey | if they do the same thing, stallman is a dick for it and torvalds is a god | Jul 29 12:36 |
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| matey | but one does it for the right reasons and other does it because whatever | Jul 29 12:36 |
| matey | even when openbsd does the best thing in the whole bunch | Jul 29 12:36 |
| matey | somehow, thats not good enough to get a fair shake | Jul 29 12:36 |
| matey | and they dont even give a shit | Jul 29 12:37 |
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| matey | because they have better shit to do | Jul 29 12:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | us media likes finnnish torvalds | Jul 29 12:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | he's naturalised now | Jul 29 12:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | rms is not really american | Jul 29 12:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | stall-man | Jul 29 12:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | not tor-valds | Jul 29 12:37 |
| matey | hes in california i think | Jul 29 12:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | no | Jul 29 12:37 |
| matey | he belongs in california | Jul 29 12:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | oregon | Jul 29 12:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | he was in CA before | Jul 29 12:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | becaue of transmeta | Jul 29 12:37 |
| matey | oregon is just california with better weed | Jul 29 12:37 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | lol | Jul 29 12:38 |
| matey | my shitty algorithm is still running | Jul 29 12:39 |
| matey | its been running for three hours (thats how you know its shitty) | Jul 29 12:39 |
| matey | its only 15mb of text, dont be ridiculous | Jul 29 12:39 |
| matey | on the nice side, the cpu isnt working too hard. i consider that a feature | Jul 29 12:40 |
| matey | but if this were any slower it wouldnt even be worth running | Jul 29 12:40 |
| matey | i could optimise it, but i rarely run it for anything that takes more than 1 minute. this is sort of a first. | Jul 29 12:40 |
| matey | rather i could try to optimise it and it would probably work after a few tries | Jul 29 12:41 |
| matey | i estimated it would run for an hour. i was clearly off | Jul 29 12:42 |
| matey | its looping through 15mb of data a stupid number of times. even so, it should be fairly predictable how long it takes | Jul 29 12:43 |
| matey | (the first thing it does is buffer all of that data in ram-- but after that its pretty conservative-- usage doesnt really go up from there) | Jul 29 12:43 |
| matey | try that with firefox | Jul 29 12:44 |
| matey | 3 hours later: "hey, im still using the same amount of ram-- wait, IM NOT FIREFOX!" | Jul 29 12:44 |
| matey | theoretically it could double, but any data that would accomplish that wouldnt make it useful to run the program | Jul 29 12:47 |
| matey | sorting whats basically already sorted is pointless | Jul 29 12:48 |
| matey | also the program would be done really fucking quickly then | Jul 29 12:48 |
| matey | hmm... no it wouldnt | Jul 29 12:49 |
| matey | :) | Jul 29 12:49 |
| techrights-news | EPO VP4 Nellie Simon: 24/7 Day and Night, Only One Hour to Speak to EPO Staff | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/too-busy-to-get-real-work-done/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/29/too-busy-to-get-real-work-done/ | Jul 29 12:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO VP4 Nellie Simon: 24/7 Day and Night, Only One Hour to Speak to EPO Staff | Techrights | Jul 29 12:50 | |
| matey | the worst part though is if i had redirected the output to a file, id know how far along it was | Jul 29 12:50 |
| matey | instead, i used a buffer, so i wont know how long it really takes until its done | Jul 29 12:50 |
| matey | which made sense when i thought i had estimated well enough | Jul 29 12:51 |
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| matey | even if it takes 5 hours its saving me time, and even if it didnt save time its saving effort | Jul 29 12:52 |
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| matey | but waiting is always fun | Jul 29 12:52 |
| *psydruid would rather listen to Carly Simon | Jul 29 12:55 | |
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| matey | https://lwn.net/Articles/857791/ | Jul 29 13:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GCC drops its copyright-assignment requirement [LWN.net] | Jul 29 13:00 | |
| matey | Posted Jun 2, 2021 22:03 UTC (Wed) by gnoutchd (subscriber, #121472) [Link] | Jul 29 13:00 |
| matey | SFLC's analysis: https://softwarefreedom.org/blog/2021/jun/02/gcc-statement/ | Jul 29 13:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-softwarefreedom.org | GCC Drops Requirement of Copyright Assignment to FSF - Software Freedom Law Center | Jul 29 13:00 | |
| matey | (Disclaimer: I'm the sysadmin at SFLC.) | Jul 29 13:00 |
| matey | https://softwarefreedom.org/blog/2021/jun/02/gcc-statement/ | Jul 29 13:01 |
| matey | (not me obviously, im quoting that) | Jul 29 13:01 |
| matey | "The effect of this change, as the GCC Steering Committee states, is to loosen the bonds between FSF and the GCC projects." <- eben moglen | Jul 29 13:02 |
| psydruid | was Eben Moglen behind this change? | Jul 29 13:05 |
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| matey | no, hes a member of the audience | Jul 29 13:05 |
| matey | one of the smarter members | Jul 29 13:06 |
| matey | this brings gcc into the state that the linux kernel is in, regarding contributors | Jul 29 13:06 |
| matey | we actually have a closer precident: llvm | Jul 29 13:06 |
| matey | llvm tried to assign copyright to the fsf | Jul 29 13:06 |
| matey | it failed | Jul 29 13:06 |
| matey | the email was lost | Jul 29 13:06 |
| matey | llvm of course, is doing REALLY well for it | Jul 29 13:07 |
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| matey | i mean, its successful, people use it | Jul 29 13:07 |
| matey | but will it ever be free? thats a matter for debate | Jul 29 13:07 |
| matey | free software, definitively requires freedom 3 | Jul 29 13:07 |
| matey | which some people treat as optional or good enough when its only theoretical | Jul 29 13:08 |
| matey | llvm is a hostage of microsoft | Jul 29 13:08 |
| matey | gcc is a hostage of ibm | Jul 29 13:08 |
| matey | some people will call that freedom | Jul 29 13:08 |
| matey | moglen does think as the "principle" copyright holder, fsf wont lose all their ability to defend | Jul 29 13:09 |
| psydruid | freedom to roam freely in a cage at the zoo | Jul 29 13:09 |
| matey | he didnt comment on whether fsf is likely to defend anythin | Jul 29 13:09 |
| matey | freedom to roam freely in a cage <- basically | Jul 29 13:09 |
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| techrights-news | Microsoft Windows in Chinese Desktops/Laptops Down to 80% (Hence Microsoft Started Blocking GNU/Linux From Even Booting, as China’s Lenovo Demonstrates) | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/windows-in-china/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/29/windows-in-china/ | Jul 29 13:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Windows in Chinese Desktops/Laptops Down to 80% (Hence Microsoft Started Blocking GNU/Linux From Even Booting, as China’s Lenovo Demonstrates) | Techrights | Jul 29 13:27 | |
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| techrights-news | "On all of the machines that I can readily get statistics for" ☛ https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/solaris/ZFSIndividualVsAggregatedIOs | Source: uni Toronto | Jul 29 13:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-utcc.utoronto.ca | Chris's Wiki :: blog/solaris/ZFSIndividualVsAggregatedIOs | Jul 29 13:37 | |
| techrights-news | "I chose Godot and liked it a lot" ☛ https://tonsky.me/blog/dice-out/ | Source: Nikita Prokopov | Jul 29 13:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GMTK Game Jam 2022: Dice Out @ tonsky.me | Jul 29 13:37 | |
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| techrights-news | "Forget binary sleep and wake." ☛ https://staceyoniot.com/forget-sleep-and-wake-its-time-to-embrace-ambient-mode/ | Source: Stacy on IoT | Jul 29 13:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-staceyoniot.com | Forget sleep and wake; it's time to embrace ambient mode - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis | Jul 29 13:39 | |
| techrights-news | "The goal of this project was to provide a solid alternative at a very low price" ☛ https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/pico-playstation-memcard-the-magpi-120/ | Source: Raspberry Pi | Jul 29 13:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.com | Pico PlayStation MemCard | The MagPi #120 - Raspberry Pi | Jul 29 13:39 | |
| techrights-news | "Now TIC-80 is open source. Well, at least the basic version." ☛ https://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-07-27-pico-8-and-tic-80.html | Source: Björn Wärmedal | Jul 29 13:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-warmedal.se | PICO-8 and TIC-80 - Björn Wärmedal | Jul 29 13:39 | |
| techrights-news | "GPS is perfect for navigating roads, because that doesn’t require much precision." ☛ https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/27/centimeter-scale-lawn-mower-positioning-without-gps-rtk/ | Source: Arduino | Jul 29 13:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | Centimeter-scale lawn mower positioning without GPS RTK | Arduino Blog | Jul 29 13:40 | |
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| techrights-news | "Conciseness is often considered a virtue among hackers and software engineers." ☛ https://drewdevault.com/2022/07/26/Conciseness.html | Source: Drew DeVault | Jul 29 13:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-drewdevault.com | Conciseness | Jul 29 13:41 | |
| techrights-news | "What if you could use a Lisp inside a spreadsheet?" ☛ https://matt-rickard.com/spreadsheets-and-lisp/ | Source: Matt Rickard | Jul 29 13:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-matt-rickard.com | Lisp and Spreadsheets | Jul 29 13:43 | |
| techrights-news | "If you're an IT or software team that uses Python along with corporate system certificates" ☛ https://sethmlarson.dev/blog/help-test-system-trust-stores-in-python?date=2022-07-26 | Source: Seth Michael Larson | Jul 29 13:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sethmlarson.dev | Help us test system trust stores in Python | Jul 29 13:43 | |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | mjg59_: you can get Microsoft MVP award | Jul 29 13:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | to go well with the FSF award | Jul 29 13:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | FSF award for helping Microsoft | Jul 29 13:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | in attacking gnu/linux | Jul 29 13:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | <techrights-news> Microsoft Windows in Chinese Desktops/Laptops Down to 80% (Hence Microsoft Started Blocking GNU/Linux From Even Booting, as China’s Lenovo Demonstrates) | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/windows-in-china/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/29/windows-in-china/ | Jul 29 13:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | FSF will have further bad karma over this | Jul 29 13:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | in light of recent nerws | Jul 29 13:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Lenovvo, Kaspersky etc. | Jul 29 13:45 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and it'll lead back to your posts | Jul 29 13:46 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | which did not age well at all | Jul 29 13:46 |
| matey | FSF will have further bad karma over this <- what fsf | Jul 29 13:49 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | FSF will send a cabinet | Jul 29 13:50 |
| matey | "this will certainly teach jimmy hoffa a lesson" | Jul 29 13:50 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | that can home the FSF award/shield thing | Jul 29 13:50 |
| matey | doubtful | Jul 29 13:50 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | along with the MVP award | Jul 29 13:50 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | MicrosoFSF | Jul 29 13:50 |
| matey | heh | Jul 29 13:50 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "Secure" cabinet | Jul 29 13:50 |
| matey | oh... | Jul 29 13:50 |
| matey | funny thing, i bet mjg comes clean before fsf does | Jul 29 13:51 |
| matey | im not saying its likely, just more likely | Jul 29 13:51 |
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| matey | some signers will recant, not many, not most | Jul 29 13:52 |
| matey | some orgs are destroyed | Jul 29 13:52 |
| matey | some recanters will be sincere, others wont | Jul 29 13:52 |
| matey | i suspect very little (of this) will change that hasnt already | Jul 29 13:52 |
| matey | federation was (imo) always inevitable, will remain so | Jul 29 13:53 |
| matey | federation is hard to build-- it wasnt any easier in historical examples | Jul 29 13:53 |
| matey | but worth it | Jul 29 13:53 |
| matey | and in those examples, the "central node" DID fail | Jul 29 13:53 |
| matey | and the federation is whats left of that | Jul 29 13:53 |
| matey | and the central node is dead | Jul 29 13:53 |
| matey | just like the fsf | Jul 29 13:53 |
| matey | its not ideal. ideal would be, the fsf stayed, the federation worked with it | Jul 29 13:54 |
| matey | but of the central node is corrupted, or fails, the point of federation is to keep going | Jul 29 13:54 |
| matey | free software is not an option | Jul 29 13:54 |
| matey | if we cannot have free software, we should not use computers | Jul 29 13:55 |
| matey | program or be programmed | Jul 29 13:55 |
| matey | its either a tool in our hands, or a yoke on our neck | Jul 29 13:55 |
| matey | thats whats weird about mjg | Jul 29 13:55 |
| matey | when its yoke in practice, he focuses so much on the potential for a tool in our hands | Jul 29 13:55 |
| matey | but sometimes just a bit too much | Jul 29 13:56 |
| matey | maybe thats the true (esr) hacker mentality | Jul 29 13:56 |
| matey | doesnt matter what it does, WE CAN USE THIS for something | Jul 29 13:56 |
| matey | thats cool. but maybe the landmines should be removed and disarmed. | Jul 29 13:56 |
| matey | not hacked | Jul 29 13:56 |
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| matey | just removed and disarmed | Jul 29 13:57 |
| matey | and since he always spends SOME time on that side of the rhetoric | Jul 29 13:57 |
| matey | we cant just reduce what he says to some one-sided strawman | Jul 29 13:57 |
| matey | it looks sloppy | Jul 29 13:57 |
| matey | (we totally can, if we denounce the rest as arse-covering bullshit) | Jul 29 13:57 |
| matey | but for extra points, anyone who wants to can yknow | Jul 29 13:58 |
| matey | explore whatever... i mean, its here | Jul 29 13:58 |
| matey | i solved a local tech mystery btw | Jul 29 13:58 |
| matey | i wont say what it is | Jul 29 13:58 |
| matey | but this has gone on for weeks or longer, and i solved it this morning | Jul 29 13:58 |
| matey | not local localhost local | Jul 29 13:59 |
| matey | local regionally local | Jul 29 13:59 |
| matey | literally in the past hour | Jul 29 13:59 |
| matey | sometimes you have to find the right person to talk to | Jul 29 13:59 |
| techrights-news | "I’ve been in the world of HTML emails lately so the wounds are still fresh" ☛ https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/html-email-rant/ | Source: Jim Nielsen | Jul 29 13:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.jim-nielsen.com | HTML Emails: A Rant - Jim Nielsen’s Blog | Jul 29 13:59 | |
| matey | mjg is our most prominent glimpse into the coup | Jul 29 14:00 |
| matey | for better or worse. i have no idea how much good that does at all. | Jul 29 14:00 |
| matey | possibly less than none. possibly some. maybe both somehow | Jul 29 14:00 |
| matey | but hes here after all | Jul 29 14:00 |
| matey | a hostile witness that just wont go away :) | Jul 29 14:00 |
| matey | but a witness nonetheless | Jul 29 14:01 |
| techrights-news | "Information camouflage is when piece of information A has a name similar to another" ☛ https://buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/information-camouflage/ | Source: Buttondown | Jul 29 14:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-buttondown.email | Information camouflage • Buttondown | Jul 29 14:04 | |
| matey | https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7Wa1tafVp5I my favourite thing today | Jul 29 14:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Putin sings russian winnie the pooh - Invidious | Jul 29 14:04 | |
| matey | this is nearly as much fun as hitler reacts | Jul 29 14:05 |
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| matey | i know, usually pooh is a chinese leader, not a russian one | Jul 29 14:05 |
| matey | i dont know if techuser will enjoy or not https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7Wa1tafVp5I | Jul 29 14:06 |
| matey | hi | Jul 29 14:06 |
| techuser | what is it about? | Jul 29 14:06 |
| matey | its putin singing winnie the pooh in russian | Jul 29 14:06 |
| matey | deepfaked | Jul 29 14:06 |
| matey | its rather stupid | Jul 29 14:06 |
| techuser | not now though, using a limited Internet connection because my main one died | Jul 29 14:06 |
| matey | thats the only appeal | Jul 29 14:06 |
| techuser | and this one can die anytime | Jul 29 14:07 |
| matey | id love to know how you got a second one | Jul 29 14:07 |
| matey | borrowing wifi? | Jul 29 14:07 |
| techuser | wi-fi from a mobile Internet | Jul 29 14:07 |
| matey | oh yeah | Jul 29 14:07 |
| matey | i keep forgetting people do that | Jul 29 14:07 |
| matey | ive even done that before, before most people tried it | Jul 29 14:08 |
| matey | even flipphones can do that now | Jul 29 14:08 |
| matey | because even flipphones have an increasingly sophisticated os | Jul 29 14:08 |
| matey | for better or worse | Jul 29 14:09 |
| matey | one day there will be just one flipphone left | Jul 29 14:09 |
| matey | and the fucker will run android | Jul 29 14:09 |
| matey | hopefully by then i wont need a mobile phone | Jul 29 14:10 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | some still do | Jul 29 14:10 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | (run android) | Jul 29 14:10 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | mobile phones are needed for some people | Jul 29 14:10 |
| matey | understood | Jul 29 14:10 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | like, travelling salespeople | Jul 29 14:10 |
| matey | id like to not be a person that needs one | Jul 29 14:10 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | for many others imho | Jul 29 14:10 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | they THINK they need them | Jul 29 14:10 |
| matey | and i keep it minimal as fuck | Jul 29 14:10 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | becauase they cannot envision a day without one | Jul 29 14:10 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and they did not even try | Jul 29 14:10 |
| matey | i think there are good reasons to have a mobile phone | Jul 29 14:10 |
| matey | most people dont need one | Jul 29 14:10 |
| matey | yeah most wont even try | Jul 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | what are the good reasons in your personal case? | Jul 29 14:11 |
| matey | me, i plan my life around getting rid of mine | Jul 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | time= pda, watch | Jul 29 14:11 |
| matey | among other more important priorities | Jul 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | emergency = people are you can call | Jul 29 14:11 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | maps = print some | Jul 29 14:11 |
| matey | what are the good reasons in your personal case? <- if youre asking me, i dont get into details like that | Jul 29 14:11 |
| matey | suffice it to say that im passionate about getting rid of it | Jul 29 14:12 |
| matey | and i have a long track record of ditching tech i dont like | Jul 29 14:12 |
| matey | even if it takes a couple years | Jul 29 14:12 |
| techrights-news | Proprietary Shopify = failure" ☛ https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/shopify-jobs-1.6532165?cmp=rss | Source: CBC | Jul 29 14:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cbc.ca | Shopify laying off 10% of staff as explosive pandemic growth fizzles | CBC News | Jul 29 14:15 | |
| techrights-news | Proprietary lockin ☛ https://earthly.dev/blog/terraform-state-bucket/ | Source: Earthly | Jul 29 14:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-earthly.dev | S3 Terraform Backend - Earthly Blog | Jul 29 14:15 | |
| techrights-news | Proprietary crap from a serial fraudster and pathological liar ☛ https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/starlinks-current-problem-capacity | Source: Jeff Geerling | Jul 29 14:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jeffgeerling.com | Starlink's current problem is capacity | Jeff Geerling | Jul 29 14:15 | |
| techrights-news | Proprietary ☛ https://matt-rickard.com/dont-be-scared-of-vendor-lock-in/ | Source: Matt Rickard | Jul 29 14:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-matt-rickard.com | Don't Be Scared of Cloud Lock-in | Jul 29 14:15 | |
| techrights-news | "Earlier I described the Plausibly Deniable DataBase (PDDB)." ☛ https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=6449 | Source: Bunnie Huang | Jul 29 14:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bunniestudios.com | The Plausibly Deniable DataBase (PDDB): It’s Real Now! « bunnie's blog | Jul 29 14:16 | |
| techrights-news | "In 2018 I helped the Internet Archive get a two-year Mellon Foundation grant aimed at preserving the "long tail" of academic literature" ☛ https://blog.dshr.org/2022/07/the-internet-archives-long-tail-program.html | Source: David Rosenthal | Jul 29 14:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.dshr.org | DSHR's Blog: The Internet Archive's "Long Tail" Program | Jul 29 14:17 | |
| techrights-news | "The law of contempt, like the criminal law, can be stretched to save those who chastise judges" ☛ https://www.freepressjournal.in/analysis/law-can-be-stretched-to-stonewall-questions-on-pegasus | Source: Free Press Journal | Jul 29 14:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freepressjournal.in | Law can be stretched to stonewall questions on Pegasus | Jul 29 14:17 | |
| matey | freedom, when applied and not merely promised in a license or on a piece of parchment | Jul 29 14:18 |
| matey | means you can change or get rid of things you dont like (within reason of course) | Jul 29 14:18 |
| matey | thats what it works out to on average | Jul 29 14:18 |
| matey | theres good and bad in life, freedom wont change that | Jul 29 14:18 |
| matey | what it means is that we can work towards that goal | Jul 29 14:19 |
| techrights-news | "I'm a retired software engineer so I focus here on the technological risks." ☛ https://blog.dshr.org/2022/07/regulating-digital-assets.html | Source: David Rosenthal | Jul 29 14:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.dshr.org | DSHR's Blog: Regulating "Digital Assets" | Jul 29 14:19 | |
| matey | oppression tries to constantly thwart such efforts | Jul 29 14:19 |
| matey | thats what giafam does | Jul 29 14:19 |
| matey | so to enlist them as allies is basically insane | Jul 29 14:19 |
| matey | but then | Jul 29 14:19 |
| matey | esr is basically insane | Jul 29 14:19 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | esrane | Jul 29 14:19 |
| techrights-news | "Conspiracy theories aren't a new phenomenon" ☛ https://text.npr.org/1113855150 | Source: NPR | Jul 29 14:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | A Georgia monument was destroyed. Locals blame conspiracy theories | Jul 29 14:21 | |
| techrights-news | "The Press and Registration of Books (PRB) Act" ☛ https://www.freepressjournal.in/analysis/proposed-bill-to-control-digital-media-is-worrying | Source: Free Press Journal | Jul 29 14:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freepressjournal.in | Proposed bill to control digital media is worrying | Jul 29 14:22 | |
| techrights-news | [Old] "post on Instagram saying she was taken to the police station " ☛ https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ovsyannikova-yashin-ukraine/31947497.html | Source: RFERL | Jul 29 14:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rferl.org | Russian TV Journalist Who Protested War On-Air Arrested | Jul 29 14:23 | |
| techrights-news | "appeared in court over subsequent social media posts" ☛ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-journalist-marina-ovsyannikova-fined-b2133237.html | Source: The Independent UK | Jul 29 14:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | Russia finds journalist Marina Ovsyannikova guilty of discrediting army | The Independent | Jul 29 14:23 | |
| techrights-news | "After sending troops to Ukraine, Moscow adopted laws imposing sentences of up to 15 years in prison for spreading information about the military deemed false" ☛ https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2022/0728/1312775-russian-editor-fined/ | Source: RTE | Jul 29 14:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rte.ie | Russian court fines Ukraine protest TV journalist | Jul 29 14:23 | |
| techrights-news | "After the heinous beheading of Kanhiya Lal in Udaipur, the incidents of death threats and controversial posts on social media" ☛ https://www.freepressjournal.in/india/prophet-row-rajasthan-man-offers-house-property-to-anyone-who-beheads-nupur-sharma | Source: Free Press Journal | Jul 29 14:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freepressjournal.in | Prophet row: Rajasthan man offers house, property to anyone who beheads Nupur Sharma | Jul 29 14:24 | |
| matey | esssridiculous | Jul 29 14:25 |
| matey | but he did like he said | Jul 29 14:25 |
| matey | he expanded free software to all the corporations | Jul 29 14:25 |
| matey | who then remade it in their own image | Jul 29 14:25 |
| matey | rendering the whole fucking thing worthless | Jul 29 14:25 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "but eric" | Jul 29 14:26 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "that was RMS' | Jul 29 14:26 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "not craif mundie!" | Jul 29 14:26 |
| matey | and all we had to do is bend over a lot and say "this is how we defeat you" | Jul 29 14:26 |
| matey | yeah well | Jul 29 14:26 |
| matey | he squints a lot | Jul 29 14:26 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "I'm your vvvvorsst bed bug" | Jul 29 14:26 |
| matey | maybe when you make that face he makes all the time, craig mundie and rms look similar | Jul 29 14:27 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I think he has a syndrome | Jul 29 14:27 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but not sure | Jul 29 14:27 |
| matey | i think he does too | Jul 29 14:27 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | based on body/head promprtion | Jul 29 14:27 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and hand length | Jul 29 14:27 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I don't know the names of these chromosome things and I might b e wrong | Jul 29 14:27 |
| matey | but im not above making fun of it, when he pulled the same shit phiipps did about rms | Jul 29 14:28 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I know | Jul 29 14:28 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | you said he squints | Jul 29 14:28 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | I think it is related | Jul 29 14:28 |
| matey | and perens had cerebral palsy | Jul 29 14:28 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | yeah | Jul 29 14:28 |
| matey | yeah esr has some genetic thing | Jul 29 14:28 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | phipps is totally normal | Jul 29 14:28 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but rianne saw a video of him | Jul 29 14:28 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | re kde neon | Jul 29 14:28 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | said phispps looks like a trans woman | Jul 29 14:28 |
| matey | phipps looks like holly from red dwarf | Jul 29 14:28 |
| matey | when she became female (i think given that shes a holographic ai, this isnt the wrong terminology, but im open to suggestions) | Jul 29 14:29 |
| matey | but i thought holly was cute | Jul 29 14:29 |
| matey | i suppose phipps could be too, if he took better care of himself | Jul 29 14:29 |
| matey | personality is a deal breaker | Jul 29 14:29 |
| matey | technically speaking, what your wife said is transphobic | Jul 29 14:30 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | i think it was not the voice | Jul 29 14:30 |
| matey | because what does a trans woman look like? | Jul 29 14:30 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | but the china, the long hair | Jul 29 14:30 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | and the weight excess | Jul 29 14:30 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | *chins | Jul 29 14:30 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | nbot china | Jul 29 14:30 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | *not | Jul 29 14:30 |
| matey | btw, im against painting someones entire personality based on a single comment, a la milkshake duck | Jul 29 14:31 |
| matey | its a mistake in more ways than one | Jul 29 14:31 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | rms thinks microwaves will have alexa | Jul 29 14:31 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | before alexa exists | Jul 29 14:31 |
| matey | unless maybe they run across a stage at the oscars and say "KILL ALL THE JEWS!" | Jul 29 14:31 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | that f**ing fool!! | Jul 29 14:31 |
| matey | then one comment might be enough :) | Jul 29 14:31 |
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| matey | even then, you know if they had just been hit by a car or something | Jul 29 14:32 |
| matey | and were fucking delerious | Jul 29 14:32 |
| matey | i can see excusing that until it turns out to be a trend | Jul 29 14:32 |
| techrights-news | "" ☛ https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/07/posit-why-rstudio-is-changing-its-name/ | Source: Rlang | Jul 29 14:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Posit – Why Rstudio is changing its name | R-bloggers | Jul 29 14:32 | |
| techrights-news | "So while you will see our name change in a bunch of places" ☛ https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/07/rstudio-is-becoming-posit/ | Source: Rlang | Jul 29 14:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-RStudio is becoming Posit | R-bloggers | Jul 29 14:32 | |
| matey | im sure howard stern has said worse | Jul 29 14:33 |
| matey | but since hes anti-roger-waters im sure hes golden with the adl | Jul 29 14:33 |
| matey | if being against apartheid means youre anti-semitic, im willing to have the label for that | Jul 29 14:33 |
| matey | i know plenty of people on the left, including left israelis who agree with me on that issue | Jul 29 14:34 |
| matey | if roger waters is wrong, id love to see stern say something smart about it | Jul 29 14:35 |
| matey | but he totally takes sides, and the wrong one | Jul 29 14:35 |
| matey | einstein was against it too | Jul 29 14:37 |
| matey | a LOT of jewish intellectuals were | Jul 29 14:38 |
| matey | and are | Jul 29 14:38 |
| matey | but the msm sides mostly with the side waters and einstein were against | Jul 29 14:38 |
| matey | it would be cool if stern had a reasonable argument to make. he does at least explain, but it mostly comes down to "they have a right to defend themselves" | Jul 29 14:39 |
| matey | yeah, but the other side doesnt. | Jul 29 14:39 |
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| matey | have fun with that | Jul 29 14:39 |
| matey | hi britney | Jul 29 14:39 |
| britney | matey, hi | Jul 29 14:39 |
| matey | "they have a right to defend themselves" is a little bit glib in explaining either side | Jul 29 14:41 |
| matey | maybe moreso though from the side with all the money, all the "right" to be there regardless of dispute, all the nuclear capabilities and all the allies. | Jul 29 14:41 |
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| matey | thats just a bit much | Jul 29 14:41 |
| matey | oh and the support of the global msm too | Jul 29 14:41 |
| matey | just a little thing | Jul 29 14:41 |
| matey | whatever the msm says about who should go to war with whom | Jul 29 14:42 |
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| matey | im sure theyre impartial and we shouldnt consider which oligarchs own them | Jul 29 14:42 |
| MinceR | 29 151140 < schestowitz[TR2]> maps = print some | Jul 29 14:42 |
| MinceR | waste of paper | Jul 29 14:42 |
| techrights-news | Microleaves ☛ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/07/breach-exposes-users-of-microleaves-proxy-service/ | Source: Krebs On Security | Jul 29 14:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | Breach Exposes Users of Microleaves Proxy Service – Krebs on Security | Jul 29 14:43 | |
| matey | maps dont waste too much paper if you only buy the ones you need | Jul 29 14:43 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | matey: phone = waste of battery, mined material | Jul 29 14:43 |
| matey | or only a print one occasionally | Jul 29 14:43 |
| matey | phones would be so wasteful if they werent designed to be disposable | Jul 29 14:44 |
| matey | a phone should be good for 10 years | Jul 29 14:44 |
| matey | im not saying it is, im not saying that isnt a hilarious thought | Jul 29 14:44 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | at least | Jul 29 14:44 |
| XRevan86 | > (13:04:56) matey: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7Wa1tafVp5I my favourite thing today | Jul 29 14:44 |
| XRevan86 | hah! | Jul 29 14:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Putin sings russian winnie the pooh - Invidious | Jul 29 14:44 | |
| matey | :) | Jul 29 14:44 |
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| matey | this fucking algorithm | Jul 29 14:45 |
| matey | is sleeping on the couch tonight | Jul 29 14:45 |
| MinceR | also, apparently there's no better public domain equivalent license than the cc0 | Jul 29 14:45 |
| matey | depends | Jul 29 14:45 |
| matey | mostly, i agree | Jul 29 14:45 |
| XRevan86 | https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/07/29/graphic-video-published-on-social-media-shows-two-men-in-military-uniform-castrating-soldier-who-appears-to-be-ukrainian-pow-news "Graphic video published on social media shows two men castrating and brutally murdering soldier in Ukrainian uniform" | Jul 29 14:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-novayagazeta.eu | Новая газета. Европа | Jul 29 14:45 | |
| XRevan86 | https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/07/29/dpr-officials-say-40-ukrainian-pows-killed-at-prison-near-donetsk-following-missile-strike-news "‘DPR’ officials say 40 Ukrainian POWs killed at prison near Donetsk following missile strike" | Jul 29 14:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-novayagazeta.eu | Новая газета. Европа | Jul 29 14:45 | |
| matey | what do you really want from cc0? | Jul 29 14:46 |
| matey | it may be the best, but you can get the 99% of it that actually matters in real life from A LOT LESS text | Jul 29 14:46 |
| matey | and if you really think cc0 is best... just use cc0 then | Jul 29 14:46 |
| matey | the one drawback-- and ive personally disputed it for years! | Jul 29 14:47 |
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| matey | is that it might suck as a free software license | Jul 29 14:47 |
| matey | despite the fsf listing it as a gpl-compatible free softwre license. | Jul 29 14:47 |
| matey | MIGHT suck as one. | Jul 29 14:47 |
| MinceR | public domain when possible and meaningful; fallback to a license that is as permissive as possible when not | Jul 29 14:47 |
| matey | according to, in chronological order: | Jul 29 14:47 |
| matey | karl fogel, voting at osi | Jul 29 14:47 |
| MinceR | the only thing i used cc0 for was my fvwm configuration | Jul 29 14:48 |
| matey | osi, resulting from karl fogels vote | Jul 29 14:48 |
| matey | and ibm, who are obviously the very last word on reality itself | Jul 29 14:48 |
| matey | thats another factor | Jul 29 14:48 |
| matey | when you consider the sheer dearth of cc0-licensed software | Jul 29 14:48 |
| matey | and i do... | Jul 29 14:48 |
| matey | it hasnt really been picked up for that purpose, and now likely never will be | Jul 29 14:48 |
| matey | even before this, it was a long shot. | Jul 29 14:48 |
| matey | its been a long shot at least since fogel voted dont approve more than a decade ago | Jul 29 14:49 |
| MinceR | maybe someone will write a derivative without the patent threat | Jul 29 14:49 |
| MinceR | instead of just whining about it | Jul 29 14:49 |
| matey | i mean its like a bicycle with 5 wheels | Jul 29 14:49 |
| matey | no one really needs one | Jul 29 14:49 |
| matey | 4 is useful, 3 can be argued, 2 is classic | Jul 29 14:49 |
| matey | but 5 is useless | Jul 29 14:49 |
| matey | and this is from one of cc0s biggest fans | Jul 29 14:50 |
| XRevan86 | "‘DPR’ officials say 40 Ukrainian POWs killed at prison near Donetsk following missile strike" <- https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/07/29/7360850/ | Jul 29 14:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pravda.com.ua | Russians struck Olenivka to cover up the torture and execution of prisoners ? General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine | Ukrainska Pravda | Jul 29 14:50 | |
| matey | im all for tilting at windmills | Jul 29 14:50 |
| matey | but this windmill just isnt going to spin | Jul 29 14:50 |
| matey | for software, and applicable to other works | Jul 29 14:51 |
| matey | 0 clause bsd is the best alternative i can think of | Jul 29 14:51 |
| matey | and ive thought about it | Jul 29 14:51 |
| matey | as a bonus, you can fit the whole license in 3 comments. | Jul 29 14:51 |
| matey | try it with cc0. | Jul 29 14:51 |
| matey | now, 0 clause bsd isnt actually a pd dedication | Jul 29 14:51 |
| matey | youd need ONE more line for that. | Jul 29 14:51 |
| matey | heres what you do (imo) | Jul 29 14:52 |
| matey | you license it 0 clause bsd. that takes care of finland and ibms patent whinging | Jul 29 14:52 |
| matey | i dont give two tugs of a dead dogs cock what ibm thinks | Jul 29 14:52 |
| matey | im thinking about the people who care what they think | Jul 29 14:52 |
| MinceR | https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Y6djzYnU9X4/Uo1dEm5J9PI/AAAAAAAAAy4/5iD62fQK9FM/s1600/steering_wheel.jpg | Jul 29 14:52 |
| MinceR | add training wheels | Jul 29 14:52 |
| matey | nice | Jul 29 14:53 |
| MinceR | and you end up with a bicycle with 5 wheels, all useful | Jul 29 14:53 |
| matey | this is what i like about you | Jul 29 14:53 |
| matey | youre basically the black knight, but with an argument | Jul 29 14:53 |
| MinceR | i think i'll leave the revision of cc0 or 0bsd to jurists | Jul 29 14:53 |
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| matey | anyway | Jul 29 14:53 |
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| matey | suppose for example, you use 0 clause bsd | Jul 29 14:54 |
| matey | that does everything the cc0 fallback does | Jul 29 14:54 |
| matey | arguably better | Jul 29 14:54 |
| matey | then after you license it 0 clause | Jul 29 14:54 |
| matey | you use a one line pd dedication | Jul 29 14:54 |
| matey | voila, roll your own cc0 | Jul 29 14:55 |
| matey | unless cc0 does exactly what people expect it to | Jul 29 14:55 |
| matey | its a gimmick | Jul 29 14:55 |
| matey | its like peanut butter and jelly in the same jar | Jul 29 14:55 |
| matey | yes that exists | Jul 29 14:55 |
| techrights-news | ProPublica pretends to care about children while bagging bribes from Bill Gates, who helped Epstein smuggle thousands of underage girls for sexual exploitation ☛ https://www.propublica.org/getinvolved/help-us-investigate-termination-of-parental-rights-in-the-child-welfare-system | Source: Pro Publica | Jul 29 14:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.propublica.org | Help Us Investigate Termination of Parental Rights in the Child Welfare System — ProPublica | Jul 29 14:55 | |
| techrights-news | mentions "open source", finally https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/let's-talk-about-the-next-phase-of-my:c | Jul 29 14:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | let's talk about the next phase of my life | Jul 29 14:56 | |
| techrights-news | I Escaped From YouTube Jail!! ⚓ https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/i-escaped-from-youtube-jail!!:c ䷉ Source: Brodie Robertson | Jul 29 14:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | I Escaped From YouTube Jail!! | Jul 29 14:56 | |
| matey | but the fallback only does anything where the pd dedication doesnt work | Jul 29 14:56 |
| matey | and theres really not much to a functioning pd dedication | Jul 29 14:56 |
| matey | the only thing existing solutions lack | Jul 29 14:57 |
| matey | is another pb&j in the same jar | Jul 29 14:57 |
| matey | i think cc0 was a great idea | Jul 29 14:57 |
| matey | if they wanted it to stand up to this fud, cc could be a viable... oh well | Jul 29 14:57 |
| matey | cc is worthless, and that really hurts this | Jul 29 14:57 |
| matey | so you have this gimmicky license, a bunch of fud, and no org to stand up to the fud | Jul 29 14:58 |
| MinceR | 29 155545 < matey> its like peanut butter and jelly in the same jar | Jul 29 14:58 |
| matey | this isnt a workable thing | Jul 29 14:58 |
| MinceR | it would be, if reality was as broken as legal code is | Jul 29 14:58 |
| MinceR | and the "justice" system | Jul 29 14:58 |
| matey | <MinceR> it would be, if reality was as broken as legal code is <- :) fair point | Jul 29 14:59 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▅▅▅▅▅▆▇▅▆▆▄▆▅▅▅▆▆▇▂▅▅▅▇▆▇▇▅▆▆▆▆▁ avg(k/sec) 31.55 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▁▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▂█▁▁▁▂▁▂▂▂▁▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 15.05▕ swarm size (avg): 0 ⟲ | Jul 29 14:59 |
| matey | fortunately for the human race, it takes longer for legal bs to break reality than it takses for legal bullshitters to break it on paper | Jul 29 14:59 |
| matey | good example: patriot act | Jul 29 14:59 |
| matey | on paper it rips the constitution in two and wipes bush/bidens arse with it | Jul 29 15:00 |
| matey | in practice the constution slowly dissolves over a few decades and just smells like biden arsehole | Jul 29 15:00 |
| matey | which is honestly better | Jul 29 15:01 |
| matey | because its been 21 years | Jul 29 15:01 |
| matey | better still would be if anyone gave a shit | Jul 29 15:01 |
| matey | they will, but you have to squint like esr to see them right now | Jul 29 15:02 |
| matey | is that craig mundie? | Jul 29 15:02 |
| MinceR | in a world/country where the majority are authoritarian savages, no constitution is likely to work | Jul 29 15:03 |
| matey | i dont think the majority are authoritarian savages | Jul 29 15:03 |
| matey | however, thats an understandable mistake under the circumstances | Jul 29 15:03 |
| matey | the majority are hostages who honestly dont know wtf is going on-- but they think they do, and theyre pissed | Jul 29 15:03 |
| matey | what do you get when you cross bipolar disorder with stockholm syndrome? | Jul 29 15:04 |
| matey | america. youre welcome. | Jul 29 15:04 |
| MinceR | well, let's see | Jul 29 15:04 |
| MinceR | in dictatorships like red china, the state brainwashes most people to be authoritarians | Jul 29 15:04 |
| MinceR | in "western" dictatorship, typically 50% of the voters are "conservative" | Jul 29 15:04 |
| MinceR | "conservative" (i.e. fascist) parties are formally allied with fidSS and/or PiS | Jul 29 15:05 |
| MinceR | none of those parties declared that what fidSS and PiS did (turning a republic into a dictatorship) is incompatible with "conservative" values | Jul 29 15:05 |
| matey | are we talking about america or another country | Jul 29 15:05 |
| matey | and is america formally allied with fidss and/or pis? | Jul 29 15:05 |
| MinceR | therefore turning republics into dictatorships is compatible with "conservative" values | Jul 29 15:05 |
| matey | therefore turning republics into dictatorships is compatible with "conservative" values <- this i dont dispute | Jul 29 15:05 |
| matey | but the part that got you there, im curious about | Jul 29 15:06 |
| MinceR | the "republican" party of the USA is a member of the international "democrat" union >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Democrat_Union | Jul 29 15:06 |
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| matey | lol | Jul 29 15:07 |
| MinceR | and so is fideath | Jul 29 15:07 |
| matey | oh ok | Jul 29 15:07 |
| matey | ive never heard of the international democrat union. is it really that meaningful an alliance? | Jul 29 15:07 |
| matey | i mean mexico is part of nafta, but i dont blame mexico for that | Jul 29 15:08 |
| matey | (i realise defending republicans is a waste of time, but im only trying to figure out if they really support fidss and/or pis, so this is for that purpose) | Jul 29 15:09 |
| MinceR | apparently they like to pretend they stand for "democracy" while demolishing it | Jul 29 15:09 |
| matey | granted its basically the trump party now, and has fuck-all to do with what republicans were about when the party formed | Jul 29 15:09 |
| matey | rino <- republican in name only | Jul 29 15:09 |
| matey | apparently they like to pretend they stand for "democracy" while demolishing it <- thats a theme that goes way beyond the idu | Jul 29 15:10 |
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| MinceR | the "republicans" had fuck-all to do with what they were about when the party formed even before former president Traffic Cone of Treason came out of the woodwork | Jul 29 15:10 |
| MinceR | indeed it does | Jul 29 15:10 |
| MinceR | it's what "conservatism" (i.e. fascism) is all about | Jul 29 15:10 |
| matey | i try not to conflate the two | Jul 29 15:10 |
| matey | not because theyre entirely separate-- theyre not | Jul 29 15:10 |
| MinceR | too late, they already did | Jul 29 15:11 |
| matey | not because either deserves better-- they dont | Jul 29 15:11 |
| matey | only because sometimes its useful to distinguish things for strategic purposes | Jul 29 15:11 |
| matey | and i think that applies here | Jul 29 15:11 |
| matey | of course that doesnt matter if you consider the prognosis hopeless | Jul 29 15:11 |
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| matey | im only interested in saving the world, i could give a shit about the republican party | Jul 29 15:12 |
| MinceR | point is, even in the allegedly "free" world, ~50% of the population voluntarily sides with "conservatives" who promote dictatorships | Jul 29 15:12 |
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| matey | well the "free" world is just the corporate world | Jul 29 15:12 |
| MinceR | it's not possible to do anything worthwhile with humanity, except let it go | Jul 29 15:12 |
| matey | so thats out | Jul 29 15:12 |
| MinceR | maybe replace it with something that can think for itself and survive global warming -- a general AI | Jul 29 15:13 |
| matey | i dont get the ai savior meme at all | Jul 29 15:13 |
| matey | corporations do exactly what ai does | Jul 29 15:13 |
| MinceR | then there's no savior | Jul 29 15:13 |
| XRevan86 | Did Russia just execute the Azov soldiers without taking any responsibility? | Jul 29 15:13 |
| MinceR | there is only oblivion | Jul 29 15:13 |
| matey | maximise some bullshit factor we thought would save us all | Jul 29 15:13 |
| matey | you put too little stock in people | Jul 29 15:14 |
| matey | when the problem is theyve put too much stock in other bullshit | Jul 29 15:14 |
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| matey | what if oblivion is a myth and there are an infinite number of us | Jul 29 15:14 |
| matey | and when you die, there are still a fucking infinite number of you left | Jul 29 15:15 |
| matey | not here, i mean everywhere. | Jul 29 15:15 |
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| matey | i dont mean you come back | Jul 29 15:15 |
| matey | i mean youre still playing everywhere but where you died | Jul 29 15:15 |
| MinceR | i've explained why people do not deserve to have stock put in them | Jul 29 15:15 |
| matey | you havent explained why ai deserves better | Jul 29 15:16 |
| MinceR | 29 161508 < matey> and when you die, there are still a fucking infinite number of you left | Jul 29 15:16 |
| MinceR | well, that's sadistic enough to be possible | Jul 29 15:16 |
| matey | <MinceR> well, that's sadistic enough to be possible <- isnt it though | Jul 29 15:16 |
| matey | its just like the fucking universe to pull some shit like that | Jul 29 15:16 |
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| MinceR | an AI can only be implemented by the minority that has a functioning brain | Jul 29 15:16 |
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| MinceR | that already excludes most of the authoritarian savages | Jul 29 15:16 |
| techuser | Skywave did mention this iirc | Jul 29 15:17 |
| matey | mention what | Jul 29 15:17 |
| matey | which part of it | Jul 29 15:17 |
| MinceR | and while the authoritarian rabble prevents such a minority from doing just about anything meaningful, once humanity wipes itself out, they will no longer be able to do so | Jul 29 15:17 |
| matey | oh the ai thing? its a stupid idea | Jul 29 15:17 |
| techuser | what MinceR said | Jul 29 15:17 |
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| matey | i mean they already do it in neon genesis ffs | Jul 29 15:17 |
| techrights-news | "The VLC media player is arguably one of the most widely used media players." ☛ https://www.tecmint.com/tips-vlc-player-linux/ | Source: TecMint | Jul 29 15:17 |
| matey | and it doesnt work there either | Jul 29 15:17 |
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| matey | it barely holds shit together | Jul 29 15:17 |
| matey | and whats the backup to the ai? | Jul 29 15:17 |
| matey | a bunch of kids dressed like fucking robots | Jul 29 15:18 |
| matey | so theres your ai | Jul 29 15:18 |
| MinceR | i thought the backup were the 2 other instances | Jul 29 15:18 |
| MinceR | also, that's fiction | Jul 29 15:18 |
| matey | i mean when the shtf you have it cleaned up by the kids in robot suits | Jul 29 15:18 |
| techuser | idk what "me/you" would mean here, but our mind is influenced by society definitely | Jul 29 15:18 |
| matey | i mean if we are talking ai saving the world, fiction is definitely where you would start | Jul 29 15:18 |
| techrights-news | SolidRun ☛ https://linuxgizmos.com/solidrun-presents-solidwan-devices-with-ports-dedicated-ethernet-sfp-support/ | Source: Linux Gizmos | Jul 29 15:18 |
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| techrights-news | "Dash is one of the least known names when you think about shell family." ☛ https://linuxhandbook.com/dash-shell/ | Source: Linux Handbook | Jul 29 15:19 |
| matey | its not evidence, its just exploration of the idea | Jul 29 15:19 |
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| MinceR | it will be cleaned up by an atmosphere humans can't survive in | Jul 29 15:19 |
| MinceR | possibly by global nuclear winter | Jul 29 15:19 |
| matey | what we need is ri | Jul 29 15:19 |
| MinceR | it will be like pest control | Jul 29 15:19 |
| matey | which may also be fiction :) | Jul 29 15:19 |
| techuser | what is ri? | Jul 29 15:19 |
| matey | <MinceR> it will be like pest control <- too hitlery for my taste | Jul 29 15:19 |
| techuser | anyway, Skywave wants AI takeover | Jul 29 15:20 |
| matey | ri = real intelligence | Jul 29 15:20 |
| MinceR | RI is a myth | Jul 29 15:20 |
| techuser | replacing humans with bots | Jul 29 15:20 |
| matey | ai has done nothing ever to inspire confidence as a leader | Jul 29 15:20 |
| MinceR | there is no need for leaders | Jul 29 15:20 |
| matey | hell, go back and watch the classic trek with nomad | Jul 29 15:20 |
| matey | that spanked the perfect ai idea to hell | Jul 29 15:20 |
| MinceR | the whole "leader" meme is only good for giving sociopaths all the power they want | Jul 29 15:20 |
| matey | <MinceR> the whole "leader" meme is only good for giving sociopaths all the power they want <- ai would maximise that, not minimise it | Jul 29 15:20 |
| MinceR | considering what we're comparing it to, it doesn't need to be perfect | Jul 29 15:21 |
| matey | its a fucking terribile idea | Jul 29 15:21 |
| MinceR | sociopaths won't survive | Jul 29 15:21 |
| techuser | I have no faith in society | Jul 29 15:21 |
| matey | <MinceR> considering what we're comparing it to, it doesn't need to be perfect <- this is the fallacy that would wipe us out instantly, and you wouldnt complain even if you could | Jul 29 15:21 |
| matey | if we are going to destroy ourselves anyway, we dont need to build an ai to do it | Jul 29 15:21 |
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| MinceR | indeed | Jul 29 15:22 |
| MinceR | that is not the role of the AI in this | Jul 29 15:22 |
| matey | <techuser> I have no faith in society <- to be fair, you dont get out much | Jul 29 15:22 |
| MinceR | humanity will wipe itself out quite nicely | Jul 29 15:22 |
| matey | <MinceR> that is not the role of the AI in this <- thats what it would do | Jul 29 15:22 |
| MinceR | to be fair, human society doesn't deserve any faith | Jul 29 15:22 |
| matey | <matey> <techuser> I have no faith in society <- to be fair, you dont get out much <- to be afair, theres a war on | Jul 29 15:22 |
| techuser | maybe evolution creating a human was a mistake | Jul 29 15:23 |
| techuser | two missiles did hit my city yesterday | Jul 29 15:23 |
| techuser | the other time they can kill me | Jul 29 15:23 |
| matey | yeah thats a valid point | Jul 29 15:23 |
| matey | having a good reason (even a few) to be isolated | Jul 29 15:23 |
| matey | doesnt change the fact that being isolated makes it a lot harder to judge society reasonably | Jul 29 15:23 |
| MinceR | if life on earth wants to survive past the Sun boiling away our atmosphere and water, it needs intelligence | Jul 29 15:24 |
| matey | its sort of an ivory tower effect | Jul 29 15:24 |
| MinceR | too bad it only evolved humans instead | Jul 29 15:24 |
| matey | without the ivory | Jul 29 15:24 |
| matey | <MinceR> if life on earth wants to survive past the Sun boiling away our atmosphere and water, it needs intelligence <- yeah | Jul 29 15:24 |
| techuser | will humans even survive to this point? | Jul 29 15:24 |
| techuser | or just some random war destroys them all eventually | Jul 29 15:24 |
| matey | obviously first on the agenda is dialing down humanitys threat to itself | Jul 29 15:24 |
| MinceR | humans will wipe themselves out, though i wonder what method they'll go with | Jul 29 15:25 |
| matey | fixing that will only help our odds of outrunning the sun | Jul 29 15:25 |
| MinceR | just making the planet uninhabitable for themselves | Jul 29 15:25 |
| MinceR | or war | Jul 29 15:25 |
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| MinceR | or some sort of faster human-made catastrophe | Jul 29 15:25 |
| MinceR | or uncontrollable population decline in a resource crisis | Jul 29 15:25 |
| matey | all valid points | Jul 29 15:26 |
| MinceR | or genocide | Jul 29 15:26 |
| MinceR | also, i wonder what will the criteria be for war/genocide | Jul 29 15:26 |
| matey | what would you recommend | Jul 29 15:26 |
| MinceR | religion, race, ethnicity, sex, sexual preference | Jul 29 15:26 |
| matey | none of the above | Jul 29 15:26 |
| MinceR | i would recommend getting rid of all the savages and idiots and authoritarians and starting society over | Jul 29 15:26 |
| MinceR | maybe dump them in red china | Jul 29 15:26 |
| matey | thats not a genetic issue, its a political one | Jul 29 15:27 |
| matey | genocide wont fix anything, because it doesnt address an actual problem | Jul 29 15:27 |
| MinceR | it's not meant to fix anything | Jul 29 15:27 |
| MinceR | it's just something humans do | Jul 29 15:27 |
| MinceR | A and B gang up to kill C, not realizing that once C is dead, they're going to try to kill each other | Jul 29 15:27 |
| matey | youd have to give a b and c a better idea | Jul 29 15:28 |
| matey | then if they dont get it straight, shoot them | Jul 29 15:28 |
| MinceR | i don't think they have the mental capacity to do anything better | Jul 29 15:28 |
| matey | its not about mental capacity | Jul 29 15:28 |
| MinceR | they could try to stay out of my way, but i doubt they can even do that | Jul 29 15:28 |
| MinceR | yes it is | Jul 29 15:28 |
| matey | its about a failed education | Jul 29 15:28 |
| matey | its really not | Jul 29 15:28 |
| matey | this isnt an iq points thing | Jul 29 15:28 |
| MinceR | no one said it was | Jul 29 15:29 |
| matey | mental capacity / iq... we are going to quibble? | Jul 29 15:29 |
| MinceR | yes we are | Jul 29 15:29 |
| matey | ok, but whats the quibble then? | Jul 29 15:29 |
| MinceR | iq is a very limited tool, not really useful beyond what it was invented to do | Jul 29 15:29 |
| matey | agreed | Jul 29 15:29 |
| matey | but i think youre measuring mental capacity in education | Jul 29 15:30 |
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| matey | and thats what iq tests do | Jul 29 15:30 |
| matey | and the argument has the same flaw either way | Jul 29 15:30 |
| matey | the issue is education, not "mental capacity" | Jul 29 15:30 |
| matey | the fix is also education | Jul 29 15:30 |
| matey | granted, education wont work on psychopaths | Jul 29 15:31 |
| matey | and the jury is out on sociopaths | Jul 29 15:31 |
| MinceR | i'm not measuring it in education | Jul 29 15:31 |
| matey | thats the problem. you should. | Jul 29 15:31 |
| MinceR | i'm "measuring" it in the ability to not ruin one's own future, in the ability to learn and understand, in the ability to coexist with others that are willing to do so | Jul 29 15:32 |
| matey | actually im going back and forth because of semantics | Jul 29 15:32 |
| matey | but i mean, education is the issue here | Jul 29 15:32 |
| matey | and if two people with the same mental capacity get very different educations | Jul 29 15:32 |
| MinceR | in little things like "should i really promote dictatorship so much when i can't be sure that i'll end up at the top of it all?" | Jul 29 15:32 |
| matey | they get wildly different results | Jul 29 15:32 |
| matey | <MinceR> in little things like "should i really promote dictatorship so much when i can't be sure that i'll end up at the top of it all?" | Jul 29 15:32 |
| techuser | is compulsory education when children are forced to use evil tech *good*? | Jul 29 15:32 |
| matey | ent results <- the disparity in education will produce as great a disparity in lesson learned | Jul 29 15:33 |
| matey | if you teach people to be stupid, they will be stupid. | Jul 29 15:33 |
| MinceR | also in little things like "i've tried this thing 90 times and every time it failed. should i try it again, or should i try something else?" | Jul 29 15:33 |
| matey | its not the only way, but its the most popular | Jul 29 15:33 |
| matey | <MinceR> also in little things like "i've tried this thing 90 times and every time it failed. should i try it again, or should i try something else?" <- of course | Jul 29 15:33 |
| matey | /me thinks this one is obvious | Jul 29 15:34 |
| matey | i mean if people "think" that way | Jul 29 15:34 |
| matey | they were taught to | Jul 29 15:34 |
| techuser | I tell cuddlybear66 that she'd better not to have children because a lot of parents did fail at being good parents. She thinks he will be a good one. | Jul 29 15:34 |
| matey | i should say "conditioned" to | Jul 29 15:34 |
| MinceR | well, some people figured out that what they're trying to teach them is bullshit | Jul 29 15:34 |
| matey | yeah | Jul 29 15:34 |
| MinceR | some people became cured of religion this way | Jul 29 15:34 |
| matey | and if not for people like that, we would all be fucked | Jul 29 15:34 |
| techuser | *she thinks she will be a good one | Jul 29 15:34 |
| MinceR | or rather, cured themselves | Jul 29 15:34 |
| matey | religions not so bad | Jul 29 15:35 |
| MinceR | yeah, it's so much worse | Jul 29 15:35 |
| matey | fundamentalism and theocracy are terrible | Jul 29 15:35 |
| MinceR | and fundamentalism and theocracy follow from religion | Jul 29 15:35 |
| matey | if you take out fundamentalism and theocracy, those are the "big teeth" of religion that get everybody | Jul 29 15:35 |
| techuser | Islam terrorism exists | Jul 29 15:35 |
| matey | <MinceR> and fundamentalism and theocracy follow from religion <- they dont | Jul 29 15:35 |
| MinceR | destroying the ability to think rationally is a big tooth too | Jul 29 15:35 |
| cuddlybear66 | a lot of parents have failed but u can look at their mistakes nd learn from them, strive to be better than ur own parents so u can make ur kids happy | Jul 29 15:35 |
| matey | give me one example of fundamentalism or theocracy | Jul 29 15:36 |
| matey | and ill show you the error | Jul 29 15:36 |
| MinceR | no amount of praying will prevent an asteroid or the Sun from wiping you out | Jul 29 15:36 |
| matey | first, theocracy follows from state authoritarianism | Jul 29 15:36 |
| matey | you cant have theocracy without an authoritarian state | Jul 29 15:36 |
| matey | but you can have an authoritarian state without theocracy | Jul 29 15:36 |
| MinceR | fundamentalism follows from absolute certainty in one's beliefs | Jul 29 15:36 |
| matey | yeah | Jul 29 15:36 |
| MinceR | theocracy follows from fundamentalism | Jul 29 15:36 |
| matey | you can have all of this without religion. saying it comes from religion seems to fly in the face of facts | Jul 29 15:37 |
| matey | all of this PAIRS with religion. but so what? | Jul 29 15:37 |
| matey | if you mix crack with chocolate, you get chocolatey crack and it will kill you | Jul 29 15:37 |
| matey | or just destroy your life | Jul 29 15:38 |
| matey | and too much chocolate will kill you too | Jul 29 15:38 |
| matey | but for most people, chocolate isnt their biggest concern in life | Jul 29 15:38 |
| techuser | I should ask horseface what he thinks on it | Jul 29 15:38 |
| matey | without pairing up with other more terrible ideas | Jul 29 15:39 |
| matey | religion is just a hobby | Jul 29 15:39 |
| MinceR | religion is a memetic parasite that destroys the mind | Jul 29 15:39 |
| techuser | for some people it is the meaning of life | Jul 29 15:39 |
| techuser | is it a hobby when someone kills themselves because the religion told them to? | Jul 29 15:40 |
| MinceR | the best hobby | Jul 29 15:40 |
| matey | <MinceR> religion is a memetic parasite that destroys the mind <- if you look into how it does that, im sure youll find the real problem lays elsewhere | Jul 29 15:40 |
| techuser | and not only themselves, but also a lot of other people | Jul 29 15:40 |
| MinceR | one of the real problems is that most human minds are defenseless against such memetic pathogens | Jul 29 15:40 |
| MinceR | that doesn't absolve religion | Jul 29 15:40 |
| matey | anything can become what you call a religion | Jul 29 15:40 |
| matey | trumpism is basically there now | Jul 29 15:40 |
| matey | which god do we blame trumpism on | Jul 29 15:41 |
| MinceR | trumpism is an aspect of ruscism | Jul 29 15:41 |
| MinceR | ruscism is christian fundamentalist | Jul 29 15:41 |
| MinceR | we blame it on yahweh | Jul 29 15:41 |
| techuser | some people on digdeeper's chat did mention skywavism (ping Skywave) iirc, as well as other invented religions related to the members of the chat | Jul 29 15:41 |
| matey | what if yhwh has fuck all to do with this | Jul 29 15:41 |
| MinceR | though maybe erdogan is a muslim ruscist, i'm not sure | Jul 29 15:41 |
| MinceR | but muslims worship yahweh all the same | Jul 29 15:41 |
| matey | i mean i can start chopping off heads and blame john lennon for it | Jul 29 15:42 |
| matey | john lennon makes people kill each other man | Jul 29 15:42 |
| techuser | oh, Church of Emacs btw | Jul 29 15:42 |
| matey | im pretty sure church of emacs is harmless | Jul 29 15:42 |
| matey | because it isnt really fundamentalist or theocratic | Jul 29 15:43 |
| techuser | some people think "freetardism" is harmful | Jul 29 15:43 |
| matey | but someday it might suddenly spawn fundamentalism or theocracy-- like roaches from newspapers | Jul 29 15:43 |
| matey | a similar post hoc fallacy | Jul 29 15:43 |
| matey | its funny because | Jul 29 15:44 |
| MinceR | 29 164227 < matey> i mean i can start chopping off heads and blame john lennon for it | Jul 29 15:44 |
| MinceR | so where's the scripture/dogma about john lennon? | Jul 29 15:44 |
| matey | fundamentalism is VERY CLEARLY a separate factor that makes these things horrible | Jul 29 15:44 |
| MinceR | also, when did john lennon become a god | Jul 29 15:44 |
| matey | but religious critics honestly think that all religion has this magic spark that could just set off fundamentalism spontaneously at any horrible momeny | Jul 29 15:45 |
| MinceR | fundamentalism very clearly follows from religion | Jul 29 15:45 |
| techuser | celebrities have fans | Jul 29 15:45 |
| matey | without any explanation of the mechanism | Jul 29 15:45 |
| matey | otoh | Jul 29 15:45 |
| MinceR | afaict no human did even reach divine rank 0 (quasi-deity) from fans | Jul 29 15:45 |
| matey | if you treat fundamentalism as a separate factor that doesnt spontaneously spring magically from religious thinking | Jul 29 15:45 |
| MinceR | iirc that would already make them immortal :> | Jul 29 15:45 |
| matey | its relatively easy to explain where it comes from | Jul 29 15:45 |
| matey | first, it comes from desperation. | Jul 29 15:45 |
| matey | we can trace the causes of that desperation | Jul 29 15:46 |
| techuser | otoh? | Jul 29 15:46 |
| MinceR | the mechanism is taking one's religion more and more seriously, being more and more sure about everything in it | Jul 29 15:46 |
| matey | otoh = on the other hand | Jul 29 15:46 |
| MinceR | from which follows that everyone else is wrong, heretical, therefore expendable | Jul 29 15:46 |
| matey | the mechanism is taking one's religion more and more ser | Jul 29 15:46 |
| MinceR | and also that everything in life must be organized according to that religion | Jul 29 15:46 |
| matey | if people are not denied education | Jul 29 15:47 |
| matey | they arent that stupid | Jul 29 15:47 |
| matey | i wasnt denied an education | Jul 29 15:47 |
| matey | i was VERY sceptical of religious bullshit at age 4 | Jul 29 15:47 |
| MinceR | it typically have such elements as "nonbelievers must be forcefully converted so that they don't get tortured in hell forever, it's for their own good" | Jul 29 15:47 |
| MinceR | s/ve/s/ | Jul 29 15:48 |
| matey | granted i was denied good math and social studies, like most people | Jul 29 15:48 |
| matey | im 100% sceptical of theocracy (im 100% against it) | Jul 29 15:48 |
| matey | and fundamentalism (it destroys lives) | Jul 29 15:48 |
| matey | (even when it doesnt literally kill people_) | Jul 29 15:49 |
| matey | both are forms of authoritarianism that borrow religion as justification | Jul 29 15:49 |
| matey | hitler didnt spring forth from zoroastrianism | Jul 29 15:49 |
| matey | he just looked around for an interesting excuse for being hitler | Jul 29 15:49 |
| matey | and liked swastikas | Jul 29 15:50 |
| matey | that should make it clearer where this shit comes from | Jul 29 15:50 |
| matey | religion isnt the cause, its the excuse | Jul 29 15:50 |
| matey | it gets taken over by authoritarian dicks | Jul 29 15:50 |
| matey | but the authoritarianism is the issue | Jul 29 15:51 |
| matey | "im your leader." "says who?" "god of course" | Jul 29 15:51 |
| matey | over and over and again. egypt. england. japan. | Jul 29 15:51 |
| matey | "go put some milk out" | Jul 29 15:52 |
| matey | "why?" | Jul 29 15:52 |
| matey | "fae folk" | Jul 29 15:52 |
| matey | "k, whatever" | Jul 29 15:52 |
| MinceR | the idea of other people being wrong and therefore lacking in rights comes in well before the authoritarian dicks take over | Jul 29 15:52 |
| matey | harmless | Jul 29 15:52 |
| matey | people are wrong all the fucking time | Jul 29 15:52 |
| MinceR | doesn't mean they should be tortured for it | Jul 29 15:52 |
| matey | youre really implying that everyone has to be a scientist not to kill each other over fairies | Jul 29 15:52 |
| matey | it isnt so | Jul 29 15:52 |
| matey | all they have to do is not kill each other without a good reason | Jul 29 15:53 |
| MinceR | especially when the basis of this is a memetically spreading set of misconceptions about reality | Jul 29 15:53 |
| MinceR | no, i'm implying that people need to accept that other people can be right too, and other people can have rights too | Jul 29 15:53 |
| MinceR | even if they don't have the same (or any) religion | Jul 29 15:53 |
| matey | i agree | Jul 29 15:54 |
| matey | but if they cant agree to that much | Jul 29 15:54 |
| matey | thats fundamentalism | Jul 29 15:54 |
| matey | and religion really doesnt produce fundamentalists very reliably | Jul 29 15:54 |
| MinceR | and that's what you'll find in many scriptures | Jul 29 15:54 |
| MinceR | pretty early on | Jul 29 15:54 |
| matey | most christians and muslims arent out to join a crusade | Jul 29 15:54 |
| MinceR | though i guess abrahamism really outdoes everything else at this | Jul 29 15:54 |
| matey | abrahamism is broadly plagiarised anyway | Jul 29 15:54 |
| matey | (in both directions) | Jul 29 15:55 |
| MinceR | no, they're merely out to support sociopaths who treat everyone outside their cult as designated victims | Jul 29 15:55 |
| MinceR | and also out to provide the active religious extremists with cover and excuses | Jul 29 15:55 |
| matey | we agree that sociopaths are a major problem in all of this | Jul 29 15:55 |
| matey | one of the biggest problems | Jul 29 15:55 |
| MinceR | many christians admitted already that their voting is influenced by which party spouts their preferred flavor of religious bullshit | Jul 29 15:56 |
| matey | christianity has been co-opted by statists since the time romans killed (or allegedly killed) jesus (assuming he even existed) | Jul 29 15:57 |
| matey | its tied together with the state in so many ways now | Jul 29 15:57 |
| matey | but all that goes back to it being co-opted by an existing state | Jul 29 15:57 |
| matey | its rome that made christianity suck, not the other way around | Jul 29 15:57 |
| matey | and statists still do that | Jul 29 15:57 |
| matey | its a big thing | Jul 29 15:57 |
| matey | but for some reason we act like that magically SPRANG FORTH from christianity itself | Jul 29 15:58 |
| matey | the goal here is to understand religion and how it works-- both the good (if any) and the bad | Jul 29 15:59 |
| MinceR | christianity has had support for statism in its scriptures for a very long time | Jul 29 15:59 |
| matey | not to absolve it or to blame it for things that are clearly outside factors | Jul 29 15:59 |
| MinceR | also for slavery | Jul 29 15:59 |
| MinceR | and so has judaism | Jul 29 15:59 |
| MinceR | also, afaik rome was better before christianity became its state religion | Jul 29 16:00 |
| MinceR | they were much more tolerant of other religions at least | Jul 29 16:00 |
| matey | monotheism and fundamentalism do attract each other | Jul 29 16:01 |
| MinceR | polytheism is inherently more tolerant than monotheism | Jul 29 16:01 |
| matey | monotheism CAN be tolerant | Jul 29 16:01 |
| matey | but it starts to look like polytheism then | Jul 29 16:01 |
| matey | monotheism and polythism are largely an argument about how to count things | Jul 29 16:02 |
| matey | catholicism has 3 deities but only one really counts and besides theyre the same | Jul 29 16:02 |
| matey | so there | Jul 29 16:02 |
| matey | paganism can do that too, but we dont let them, so there | Jul 29 16:03 |
| matey | it counts when i do it, not when you do it | Jul 29 16:03 |
| matey | its the same, but theres a nuance | Jul 29 16:03 |
| matey | all polytheism can be monotheistic through the silly tricks monotheism pulls | Jul 29 16:03 |
| matey | and its fine | Jul 29 16:03 |
| matey | its just that some monotheists get this | Jul 29 16:04 |
| matey | and most will never admit it :) | Jul 29 16:04 |
| matey | so monotheism often acts as a sort of "my shit doesnt stink" thing | Jul 29 16:04 |
| matey | and joseph campbell understandably had this attitude towards it | Jul 29 16:04 |
| matey | imo the people who really understand monotheism arent like that, so it doesnt bother me | Jul 29 16:05 |
| matey | but i still see the people who think theyre special for it | Jul 29 16:05 |
| matey | really i think if you get rid of religion | Jul 29 16:05 |
| matey | first, you can only do it by incredibly oppressive means | Jul 29 16:05 |
| matey | then after you do that, people are just going to invent it again | Jul 29 16:06 |
| matey | so what was that for | Jul 29 16:06 |
| matey | newton became a rather lovely scientist without giving up crazy | Jul 29 16:06 |
| matey | the enlightenment came out either way | Jul 29 16:06 |
| matey | as for marx and lenin, both were of the opinion that if you addressed the real problems in the world | Jul 29 16:07 |
| matey | religion would sort of fade away | Jul 29 16:07 |
| matey | and become a non-issue | Jul 29 16:07 |
| matey | ive always thought similar, but not because of marx or lenin | Jul 29 16:07 |
| matey | they just happened to agree | Jul 29 16:07 |
| matey | its a symptom | Jul 29 16:07 |
| matey | it looks like a very violent cause | Jul 29 16:08 |
| matey | its a very violent symptom imo | Jul 29 16:08 |
| matey | but only when combined with other factors | Jul 29 16:08 |
| matey | religious idiots vote for religious idiots, yes | Jul 29 16:08 |
| matey | but only in an election system which is fundametally broken | Jul 29 16:09 |
| matey | and religion didnt break it | Jul 29 16:09 |
| matey | it just moved into the cracks | Jul 29 16:09 |
| matey | if you banned religion and only left atheists standing, the election system wouldnt be fixed | Jul 29 16:09 |
| matey | if you fixed it however, it would actually represent people | Jul 29 16:09 |
| matey | not the lunatic fringe | Jul 29 16:10 |
| phanes | no it would just think it was smarter than anyone | Jul 29 16:10 |
| matey | what would think so? | Jul 29 16:10 |
| phanes | atheism is the lowest order of spiritual thought | Jul 29 16:10 |
| MinceR | 29 170544 < matey> really i think if you get rid of religion | Jul 29 16:10 |
| MinceR | i would hope it could become obsolete | Jul 29 16:10 |
| MinceR | and unattractive to people | Jul 29 16:10 |
| matey | of course it can | Jul 29 16:10 |
| MinceR | but taking power away from fundamentalists would help a lot | Jul 29 16:10 |
| matey | 99% of relgion is a cheap trick | Jul 29 16:10 |
| matey | and the rest is harmless | Jul 29 16:10 |
| matey | <MinceR> but taking power away from fundamentalists would help a lot <- if everyone was armed, that would help | Jul 29 16:11 |
| techuser | people are afraid of death, religion kind of addresses the issue, isn't it? | Jul 29 16:11 |
| phanes | it presents itself as an evolution of human thinking while accumulating all of the faith-based backing it rejects in contrary perspectives | Jul 29 16:11 |
| matey | relgion hooks into every fear, death among those | Jul 29 16:11 |
| MinceR | 29 170717 < matey> as for marx and lenin, both were of the opinion that if you addressed the real problems in the world | Jul 29 16:11 |
| MinceR | and so they started another religion | Jul 29 16:11 |
| MinceR | based on misconceptions about economics | Jul 29 16:11 |
| matey | fear of loneliness, fear of failure, fear of death, fear of being useless | Jul 29 16:11 |
| MinceR | and then later added misconceptions about biology | Jul 29 16:11 |
| matey | fear of TEMPTATION | Jul 29 16:11 |
| matey | based on misconceptions about economics <- i think the playing field is pretty level when it comes to misconceptions about economics | Jul 29 16:12 |
| matey | everybody has them more or less | Jul 29 16:12 |
| matey | the distribution is close enough to perfect | Jul 29 16:12 |
| MinceR | also, banning religion is impossible unless you can read people's thoughts | Jul 29 16:12 |
| MinceR | and that would be even worse | Jul 29 16:13 |
| matey | yes | Jul 29 16:13 |
| MinceR | thought police | Jul 29 16:13 |
| matey | which is why i always argue for religion | Jul 29 16:13 |
| matey | ill take it over the thought police, just like youll take turing completeness over memory safety :) | Jul 29 16:13 |
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| MinceR | 29 171245 < matey> based on misconceptions about economics <- i think the playing field is pretty level when it comes to misconceptions about economics | Jul 29 16:13 |
| phanes | freedom of religion is also freedom from religion* | Jul 29 16:13 |
| matey | indeed | Jul 29 16:13 |
| phanes | in other words, an atheist should be allowed to exist | Jul 29 16:14 |
| MinceR | most people understand that discounts do not retroactively reduce the amount of work necessary to produce a good | Jul 29 16:14 |
| matey | of course | Jul 29 16:14 |
| phanes | but they should also be willing to be identified as the dumbest thinker in the room of a theologians | Jul 29 16:14 |
| MinceR | marx and ricardo did not | Jul 29 16:14 |
| phanes | *in a room of theologians | Jul 29 16:14 |
| MinceR | lol @ phanes | Jul 29 16:14 |
| matey | ricardo? | Jul 29 16:14 |
| matey | he has some splaining to do | Jul 29 16:15 |
| matey | who is ricardo | Jul 29 16:15 |
| MinceR | someone blamed with coming up with the labor theory of value | Jul 29 16:15 |
| matey | when i think about the labour theory of value | Jul 29 16:16 |
| matey | i cant get past "workers deserve as much pay for their work as their bosses get" | Jul 29 16:16 |
| matey | if its more than that, i dont get it | Jul 29 16:17 |
| matey | if its that, ok | Jul 29 16:17 |
| MinceR | it has nothing to do with that | Jul 29 16:17 |
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| matey | and im sure theres a "because" and thats fine too | Jul 29 16:17 |
| matey | but eh | Jul 29 16:17 |
| matey | it has nothing to do with that <- but that seems to be all it is | Jul 29 16:17 |
| MinceR | LTV states that the value of goods is determined by the labor that went into producing them and nothing else | Jul 29 16:17 |
| matey | and whatever else it is, i cant discern | Jul 29 16:17 |
| MinceR | marx's capital is basically just restating the LTV over and over and over until you get tired of reading it and look for something else to do | Jul 29 16:18 |
| matey | LTV states that the value of goods is determined by the labor that went into producing them and nothing else <- im sure the cost of materials is factored in | Jul 29 16:18 |
| MinceR | with a bit of other stupidity mixed in | Jul 29 16:18 |
| matey | marx's capital is basically just restating the LTV over and over and over until you get tired of reading it and look for something else to do <- it certainly kept lenin busy though | Jul 29 16:18 |
| MinceR | allegedly materials are either just there (and thus free) or are extracted with labor | Jul 29 16:18 |
| MinceR | lenin wanted power, it was good for that | Jul 29 16:19 |
| matey | i think ive heard that | Jul 29 16:19 |
| matey | lenin wanted power, it was good for that <- what did he use the power for | Jul 29 16:19 |
| MinceR | sociopath things | Jul 29 16:19 |
| MinceR | holding on to power, gaining more power, running other people's lives | Jul 29 16:19 |
| MinceR | getting rid of people he didn't like | Jul 29 16:20 |
| matey | too bad that didnt include stalin | Jul 29 16:20 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 29 16:20 |
| matey | to be fair, he was a bit incapacitated | Jul 29 16:20 |
| matey | but its unfortunate nonetheless | Jul 29 16:20 |
| matey | making anticapitalism work is necessary for humanity to move onto another stage of potential | Jul 29 16:21 |
| matey | the nicest thing you can say for capitalism is it has reached its last plataeu | Jul 29 16:21 |
| phanes | anyone who's ever started a business knows the owner of the means of production works way harder with way higher risk than anyone they're ever going to hire in about 99% of all cases | Jul 29 16:22 |
| MinceR | what is anticapitalism, how does it work | Jul 29 16:22 |
| matey | anticapitalism is an umbrella term, like computer | Jul 29 16:22 |
| phanes | you screw up at a job working for someone else, you might lose that job at the worse; you screw up a company you own, everybody loses their jobs and you might ruin your life in the process | Jul 29 16:23 |
| matey | and like computers, anticapitalism comes in a variety of forms and architectures | Jul 29 16:23 |
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| MinceR | most people who have ever started a business probably don't know how sociopaths who were born into incredible wealth and power run the businesses they own | Jul 29 16:24 |
| matey | + | Jul 29 16:24 |
| MinceR | you screw up one of the companies you were born to own, you probably don't care much | Jul 29 16:24 |
| matey | more than that | Jul 29 16:24 |
| MinceR | and most of those people think nothing of the people who work for them | Jul 29 16:24 |
| matey | most people who start a business in a context already controlled by those who could buy and sell microsoft or ibm 1000 times | Jul 29 16:24 |
| MinceR | think of someone like bill gates or steve jobs | Jul 29 16:25 |
| matey | do so in ^ | Jul 29 16:25 |
| matey | not even bill gates or steve jobs | Jul 29 16:25 |
| matey | someone who can OWN bill gates or steve jobs | Jul 29 16:25 |
| MinceR | or former president Don Corrupcione | Jul 29 16:25 |
| matey | lets say microsoft or ibm REALLY decided to stand up for people | Jul 29 16:25 |
| matey | instead of money | Jul 29 16:25 |
| matey | theyd be fucked. | Jul 29 16:26 |
| matey | thats how broken the system is | Jul 29 16:26 |
| matey | steve ballmer and bill gates, two of the richest people on earth | Jul 29 16:26 |
| matey | couldnt fix it | Jul 29 16:26 |
| matey | nor would they try, but even if they did | Jul 29 16:26 |
| MinceR | not to mention someone who owns businesses only on paper but doesn't run them, like lorinc meszaros (orban's best known stooge) | Jul 29 16:26 |
| matey | so you can run a business with the best intentions and the hardest work | Jul 29 16:27 |
| MinceR | 29 172256 < matey> anticapitalism is an umbrella term, like computer | Jul 29 16:27 |
| matey | but your company is ultimately going to fuck people | Jul 29 16:27 |
| matey | because thats what companies do | Jul 29 16:27 |
| MinceR | no, anticapitalism is yet another of those terms that are so vague they might as well be meaningless | Jul 29 16:27 |
| matey | of course, in some way we can measure, it might help | Jul 29 16:27 |
| matey | but in the big picture, its all fucked | Jul 29 16:27 |
| MinceR | connected to using "capitalism" to mean everything "bad" but never defining it and never offering a solution | Jul 29 16:27 |
| MinceR | 29 172736 < matey> because thats what companies do | Jul 29 16:28 |
| matey | no, anticapitalism is yet another of those terms that are so vague they might as well be meaningless <- its as non-vague as "atheist" for fucks sake | Jul 29 16:28 |
| MinceR | is it what co-ops do? | Jul 29 16:28 |
| MinceR | is it what foundations do? | Jul 29 16:28 |
| matey | define atheist. | Jul 29 16:28 |
| MinceR | yeah, the above uses of "atheist" also didn't add anything to the conversation | Jul 29 16:28 |
| MinceR | atheist is someone who doesn't believe in any gods | Jul 29 16:29 |
| matey | and an anticapitalist is someone who doesnt believe capitalism is good or should be relied on | Jul 29 16:29 |
| matey | thats pretty straightforward | Jul 29 16:29 |
| matey | so anticapitalism is the search for some better alternative to capitalism | Jul 29 16:29 |
| matey | whats the problem with that? | Jul 29 16:29 |
| MinceR | iirc weak atheism == absence of belief in any gods; strong atheism == belief that no gods exist | Jul 29 16:29 |
| MinceR | ("god" isn't really defined though...) | Jul 29 16:29 |
| matey | religion defines god, atheist is a response to that | Jul 29 16:30 |
| matey | really atheism only needs to define theism-- not god | Jul 29 16:30 |
| matey | obviously | Jul 29 16:30 |
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| MinceR | different religions define it differently | Jul 29 16:30 |
| XRevan86 | An atheist is someone who's worldview does not involve gods. | Jul 29 16:30 |
| XRevan86 | * whose | Jul 29 16:30 |
| MinceR | and no, atheism is not a response to religions | Jul 29 16:30 |
| MinceR | it's the default state | Jul 29 16:30 |
| matey | <MinceR> different religions define it differently <- what do you have against blanket terms with obvious and easy to understand meanings | Jul 29 16:31 |
| MinceR | nothing, i'd like to see obvious and easy to understand meanings | Jul 29 16:31 |
| matey | its easy if you try | Jul 29 16:31 |
| MinceR | for example, the abrahamic definition of "god" is that it's yahweh, and there can be no others | Jul 29 16:31 |
| matey | then atheism rejects that | Jul 29 16:32 |
| matey | along with the rest of them | Jul 29 16:32 |
| MinceR | every non-abrahamic religion rejects that | Jul 29 16:32 |
| matey | also true | Jul 29 16:32 |
| XRevan86 | Is being a GNU/Linux user a response to Windows? | Jul 29 16:32 |
| matey | actually, almost | Jul 29 16:32 |
| MinceR | could be, but not necessarily | Jul 29 16:32 |
| XRevan86 | Are we all defined by Windows? | Jul 29 16:32 |
| matey | <XRevan86> Is being a GNU/Linux user a response to Windows? <- no its a response to a missing printer driver | Jul 29 16:32 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 29 16:32 |
| matey | though stallman disputes that | Jul 29 16:33 |
| matey | presumably because really he just didnt want to leave the ai lab. | Jul 29 16:33 |
| phanes | MinceR, you're defining atheism as agnosticism | Jul 29 16:33 |
| matey | or to be the last one there | Jul 29 16:33 |
| XRevan86 | matey: I don't have a printer, so I wouldn't know. | Jul 29 16:33 |
| matey | i used to | Jul 29 16:33 |
| matey | but it went missing before the driver did | Jul 29 16:33 |
| MinceR | phanes: well, weak atheism and weak agnosticism are somewhat similar | Jul 29 16:33 |
| matey | so we need free hardware | Jul 29 16:33 |
| XRevan86 | I do have a scanner that doesn't work on Windows, so there's that. | Jul 29 16:33 |
| MinceR | weak agnosticism == no position on whether gods exist; strong agnosticism == belief that the existence of gods cannot be known | Jul 29 16:34 |
| matey | strong agnosticism == belief that the existence of gods cannot be known <- me | Jul 29 16:34 |
| matey | strong agnostics: you can experience the infinite but you cant GRASP it unless youre infinite | Jul 29 16:35 |
| matey | so the idea of being sure of a god is silly | Jul 29 16:35 |
| matey | it could be a god or just a really big jerk | Jul 29 16:35 |
| matey | i think this is a reasonable perspective scientifically | Jul 29 16:36 |
| XRevan86 | I kind of stopped caring about the term "agnostic", as it's similiar to claiming that it cannot be known whether Klingons exist. | Jul 29 16:36 |
| matey | but i dont think faith is stupid. it depends on what it does. | Jul 29 16:36 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 29 16:36 |
| MinceR | i stopped caring about agnosticism and atheism, i prefer nonreligion | Jul 29 16:36 |
| matey | nonreligion sounds pretty agnostic to me but ok | Jul 29 16:36 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 29 16:36 |
| matey | <XRevan86> I kind of stopped caring about the term "agnostic", as it's similiar to claiming that it cannot be known whether Klingons exist. <- its just a phase | Jul 29 16:37 |
| matey | assuming youre smarter than billions of people over a petty disagreement on something that allegedly doesnt even matter to you | Jul 29 16:38 |
| MinceR | it's easy to be smarter than billions of people, unfortunately | Jul 29 16:38 |
| XRevan86 | matey: I'm just highly non-superstitious. | Jul 29 16:38 |
| matey | fair point | Jul 29 16:38 |
| XRevan86 | I call it "atheist", call it what ye like. | Jul 29 16:38 |
| matey | <XRevan86> matey: I'm just highly non-superstitious. <- ill accept this as a possibility | Jul 29 16:38 |
| matey | atheist is a perfectly reasonable term for that. i would assume its accurate as well | Jul 29 16:38 |
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| XRevan86 | When I try to understand something about the world, god is never in the equation. | Jul 29 16:39 |
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| XRevan86 | The moment when I grossly misunderstood something because I forgot to account for god, hasn't happened yet. | Jul 29 16:40 |
| matey | it might cause you to misunderstand theists a bit | Jul 29 16:40 |
| XRevan86 | matey: That's not "god", that's "theology". | Jul 29 16:41 |
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| matey | well i made that point before, so fair enough | Jul 29 16:41 |
| XRevan86 | Or maybe "psychology", but that is a very different topic from looking at the objective world around us. | Jul 29 16:43 |
| matey | psychology and evolution are two things that took a great deal of early inspiration from religion | Jul 29 16:43 |
| MinceR | good thing they shook it off, then | Jul 29 16:44 |
| matey | freud (jung moreso) took more than a few pages from belief systems | Jul 29 16:44 |
| phanes | MinceR, they're not somewhat similar, the word atheist means something, and the word agnostic means something, and those two words have different meanings | Jul 29 16:44 |
| matey | and darwin (that darwin) was trying to better understand gods creation | Jul 29 16:44 |
| matey | in the venn diagram weak atheist and agnosticism do have a great deal of overlap | Jul 29 16:45 |
| matey | strong atheism isnt agnosticism | Jul 29 16:45 |
| matey | and no one talks about strong agnosticism, but he didnt make it up | Jul 29 16:45 |
| matey | i would have defined it roughly the same and mincer and i have never spoken about this before | Jul 29 16:46 |
| matey | still, he rejected the word atheist when i compared it to anticapitalist | Jul 29 16:46 |
| phanes | no i mean the concept of "weak atheism" is fictitious | Jul 29 16:47 |
| matey | and then proceeded to define atheist just fine, so im not sure what that means | Jul 29 16:47 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Non-religion is something that also includes people who "feel" there's a higher being out there, but aren't indoctrinated into anything. | Jul 29 16:47 |
| phanes | its agnostics who don't know the word "agnostic" | Jul 29 16:47 |
| matey | no i mean the concept of "weak atheism" is fictitious <- if by fictitious you mean in the dictionary and accurately describing a swath of actual people, sure | Jul 29 16:47 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 29 16:47 |
| phanes | in fact the whole segmentation is purely driven by atheist communities' desire to obscure the shallowness and lack of thought of their entire premise | Jul 29 16:48 |
| matey | well i do think most atheism is shallow. same for most relgion | Jul 29 16:48 |
| matey | but shallowness isnt a requirement for either | Jul 29 16:49 |
| matey | its more of a convention | Jul 29 16:49 |
| phanes | "well maybe nobody will notice we're not thinking if we divide up into a bunch of labels already accounted for in existing terminology and pretend weve tread ground" | Jul 29 16:49 |
| matey | i think sagan was a deep atheist | Jul 29 16:49 |
| XRevan86 | Atheism is not really what can connect people together. | Jul 29 16:49 |
| matey | phanes, read "is there an artificial god" in salmon of doubt and youll have a pretty good idea what i think about all this | Jul 29 16:49 |
| matey | except that i think its the best thing a strong atheist has written on the subject | Jul 29 16:50 |
| matey | and im not an atheist | Jul 29 16:50 |
| matey | but dna certainly was | Jul 29 16:50 |
| phanes | adams wasn't a strong atheist | Jul 29 16:50 |
| phanes | he was an atheist | Jul 29 16:50 |
| matey | he believed there was no god | Jul 29 16:50 |
| phanes | that's an atheist | Jul 29 16:50 |
| matey | how has strong/weak atheism eluded you as a concept? | Jul 29 16:50 |
| MinceR | i didn't realize "thinking" meant "uncritically accepting what was handed down to me" | Jul 29 16:51 |
| phanes | matey, because it's fictious | Jul 29 16:51 |
| matey | okay, what makes it a fiction? | Jul 29 16:51 |
| matey | in what way is it fictional; | Jul 29 16:51 |
| MinceR | apparently people who disagree with phanes are fictional | Jul 29 16:51 |
| phanes | no the people are real, they're just not very smart | Jul 29 16:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: "Thinking" means "classification of minutiae until complete ridiculousness". | Jul 29 16:52 |
| matey | douglasadams.eu/douglas-adams-and-god-portrait-of-a-radical-atheist/ | Jul 29 16:52 |
| matey | Douglas had not been an atheist all his life. When he was young, he was extremely religious. Let's remember that when he was born, his father was studying for a postgraduate degree in theology, and had a view to taking orders. Douglas was brought up in the Christian tradition. | Jul 29 16:52 |
| matey | ^ didnt know that until today | Jul 29 16:52 |
| matey | <phanes> no the people are real, they're just not very smart <- no one can make you qualify that, it would still be nice | Jul 29 16:52 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: most things are ridiculous, especially the ones involving humans, so don't be surprised if that's what you find at the bottom | Jul 29 16:52 |
| matey | adams was a self described "radical atheist" | Jul 29 16:53 |
| matey | "Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?" | Jul 29 16:54 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe there are such things as weak anti-slaverists and strong anti-slaverists. | Jul 29 16:54 |
| matey | there were actually. | Jul 29 16:54 |
| XRevan86 | And slavery agnostics who haven't thought about slavery because it hasn't been on the agenda for them ever. | Jul 29 16:54 |
| MinceR | if you define it, it will exist | Jul 29 16:54 |
| matey | most abolitionists simply wanted to reform until slavery wasnt a big deal or it went out of style | Jul 29 16:55 |
| MinceR | that's how terminology works | Jul 29 16:55 |
| matey | i mean youre basically joking that politics can be radical or not | Jul 29 16:55 |
| matey | which is of course true | Jul 29 16:55 |
| matey | john brown was a radical abolitionist | Jul 29 16:56 |
| matey | and through his actions, and the slaveowners reaction to the same, the latter radicalised the "weak" (reformist) abolitionists | Jul 29 16:56 |
| matey | and it split a country and led to one of the (at the time) largest wars in history | Jul 29 16:57 |
| matey | so yeah, there were weak anti-slaverists and strong ones | Jul 29 16:57 |
| matey | by any reasonable measure | Jul 29 16:57 |
| XRevan86 | matey: Isn't that more of a "course of action" kind of deal rather than the general opinion, as is what's always measured around religion? | Jul 29 16:58 |
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| XRevan86 | My line of thinking was a bit faulty, but that was because I looked at it from the lense of superstitious beliefs. | Jul 29 17:00 |
| matey | matey: Isn't that more of a "course of action" kind of deal rather than the general opinion, as is what's always measured around religion? <- sure | Jul 29 17:00 |
| matey | but imo the only advantage to distinguishing between weak and strong atheism | Jul 29 17:00 |
| XRevan86 | So pretty much passive things rather than real abolition action. | Jul 29 17:01 |
| matey | is to better understand that its not th same for everyone | Jul 29 17:01 |
| matey | So pretty much passive things rather than real abolition action. <- yes but imo that distinction is beside the point that similar distinctions exist among both terms | Jul 29 17:01 |
| XRevan86 | matey: I think that that is more of an expression thing rather than the inner state of mind. | Jul 29 17:02 |
| matey | and the idea was to dismiss that distinction as silly | Jul 29 17:02 |
| matey | but if if inadvertently demonstrated it further as non-silly, my point is valid | Jul 29 17:02 |
| matey | again, imo. but i did explain it. | Jul 29 17:02 |
| XRevan86 | Different people express their idea of why they're different from the religious folk differently. | Jul 29 17:02 |
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| matey | youve watered it down a little, but sure | Jul 29 17:03 |
| MinceR | sometimes their idea really is different :> | Jul 29 17:04 |
| matey | imo yes | Jul 29 17:04 |
| XRevan86 | An atheist inherently doesn't take the whole concept of "god" seriously. | Jul 29 17:04 |
| MinceR | i've even read folk claiming they're "spiritual but not religious" | Jul 29 17:04 |
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| matey | what they mean is they like some of the ideas but not enough to convince anyone they fit a rigid system | Jul 29 17:04 |
| matey | sort of religions version of non-binary (but non-integer would probably fit betteR) | Jul 29 17:05 |
| XRevan86 | Trying to put on a spectre of how real their believe god to be is… the line of thinking of a theist. | Jul 29 17:05 |
| matey | i dont get that part, atheists do that too | Jul 29 17:05 |
| matey | also i dont think its a spectre, its a simple quantification | Jul 29 17:06 |
| matey | its a category or literally a subcategory | Jul 29 17:06 |
| XRevan86 | It's just not a natural way of thinking for an atheists, so they give weird answers when they're forced to look at their worldview from that perspective. | Jul 29 17:06 |
| matey | this is a weird line of thinking | Jul 29 17:06 |
| matey | occam lends himself really easily to this | Jul 29 17:07 |
| XRevan86 | matey: Consider how people would answer "how real are the elves". | Jul 29 17:07 |
| matey | thats not an accurate summary | Jul 29 17:07 |
| XRevan86 | The variety will surprise you | Jul 29 17:07 |
| XRevan86 | Even though no one takes elves seriously. | Jul 29 17:07 |
| matey | i would say that people who prefer darker colours include people who prefer green, people who prefer blue and people who prefer violet | Jul 29 17:07 |
| matey | and that this is not a nonsensical statement, but a perfectly reasonable one | Jul 29 17:08 |
| MinceR | "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes." | Jul 29 17:08 |
| matey | atheists include people who believe there is no god and people who have no belief | Jul 29 17:08 |
| XRevan86 | Elves exist for no one, and yet we'll find weak aelfists and strong aelfists. | Jul 29 17:08 |
| matey | i thought this was a settled matter in the dictionary and general understanding | Jul 29 17:09 |
| matey | but i guess anything can be disputed | Jul 29 17:09 |
| XRevan86 | matey: What do ye believe regarding elves? They don't exist, no belief or other? | Jul 29 17:09 |
| XRevan86 | Then repeat for gnomes, goblins and The Doctor (Who). | Jul 29 17:10 |
| techrights-news | #HowTo Install and Use Homebrew Package Manager on Linux • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167790 | Jul 29 17:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Install and Use Homebrew Package Manager on Linux | Tux Machines | Jul 29 17:11 | |
| matey | this is condescension posing as a reasonable point | Jul 29 17:11 |
| techrights-news | Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Dictionary • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167791 | Jul 29 17:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Dictionary | Tux Machines | Jul 29 17:11 | |
| matey | but i think youre going out of your way to miss something factual, and im not playing | Jul 29 17:11 |
| matey | though it could be fun, its a waste of my time to satisfy your ego | Jul 29 17:12 |
| matey | and what other purpose it could serve, i cant imagine | Jul 29 17:12 |
| matey | im the one defending openmindedness here | Jul 29 17:12 |
| matey | youre the one turning that on its head in an effort to defeat the same in a battle of rhetoric | Jul 29 17:13 |
| matey | i cant say im impressed | Jul 29 17:13 |
| matey | but either way its smug | Jul 29 17:13 |
| matey | youve literally turned your nose up at the dictionary to try to be better than me | Jul 29 17:14 |
| matey | i cant help you there | Jul 29 17:14 |
| matey | once we cant agreee on the dictionary, we just cant agree | Jul 29 17:14 |
| XRevan86 | The point is that all those things are not believed to be real by the people who don't believe in them. | Jul 29 17:14 |
| XRevan86 | But answers will invariably differ. | Jul 29 17:14 |
| matey | whatever the point was, its gone now | Jul 29 17:14 |
| XRevan86 | And people can be classified on that however useless that is. | Jul 29 17:15 |
| matey | i mean why bother classifying things that are similar at all | Jul 29 17:15 |
| XRevan86 | It's all about *what* is being classified. | Jul 29 17:15 |
| matey | better to make false assumptions | Jul 29 17:16 |
| matey | i mean my argument was it would create a better understanding | Jul 29 17:16 |
| matey | because it does that | Jul 29 17:16 |
| matey | but you think thats silly | Jul 29 17:16 |
| matey | so okay | Jul 29 17:16 |
| XRevan86 | My view is that people can be classified on how accepting they are of mystical explanations. | Jul 29 17:18 |
| matey | coulda fooled me | Jul 29 17:18 |
| techrights-news | "Airbus‘ unmanned glider has been flying for 42 days without landing" ☛ https://digit.site36.net/2022/07/28/airbus-zephyr-stratospheric-drone-beats-own-record/ | Source: Site36 | Jul 29 17:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-digit.site36.net | Airbus‘ „Zephyr“: Stratospheric drone beats own record – Security Architectures in the EU | Jul 29 17:18 | |
| MinceR | "not believed to be real" can be interpreted in multiple ways | Jul 29 17:18 |
| XRevan86 | Not on how sure they are god definitely is not out there somewhere or not. | Jul 29 17:19 |
| MinceR | including "doesn't have an effect on my life", "i don't care", "i'm absolutely sure it doesn't exist", ... | Jul 29 17:19 |
| techrights-news | SpellBinding: AYNRSWC Wordo: SCRIP gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-07-29.gmi | Jul 29 17:19 |
| matey | again, your strawman makes this whole thing pointless to discuss | Jul 29 17:19 |
| matey | its not an honest argument | Jul 29 17:19 |
| MinceR | well, yahweh is defined in such a way that it can't exist | Jul 29 17:19 |
| MinceR | other gods can be defined more sanely | Jul 29 17:19 |
| matey | its a smug waste of someones time | Jul 29 17:19 |
| MinceR | and of course fiction isn't required to be sane anyway | Jul 29 17:19 |
| matey | and youre generally better than that, so i wont assume anything broader | Jul 29 17:19 |
| matey | but it really is a waste | Jul 29 17:19 |
| techrights-news | Devin Nunes ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/28/devin-nunes-drops-slapp-case-he-lost-against-guy-he-claims-is-the-husband-of-the-satirical-tweeting-cow-who-mocks-him/ | Source: Techdirt | Jul 29 17:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Devin Nunes Drops SLAPP Case He Lost Against Guy He Claims Is The Husband Of The Satirical Tweeting Cow Who Mocks Him | Techdirt | Jul 29 17:20 | |
| XRevan86 | matey: Can't not be smug when I see the world in a way where my line of thinking is right. Otherwise I'd have a different line of thinking if I saw it as better. | Jul 29 17:21 |
| techrights-news | What's up with this recession? (Unemployment) gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-07-29.economy.gmi "In the US, the numbers come from those claiming unemployment benefits from the government. After a while, many give up and are no longer counted" | Jul 29 17:21 |
| matey | thats not the problem | Jul 29 17:21 |
| matey | you are writing your own argument and rewriting my response to it | Jul 29 17:21 |
| matey | if its like that i can let you do this without my wasted effort | Jul 29 17:22 |
| matey | youre speaking for both of us, have fun | Jul 29 17:22 |
| techrights-news | "COVID lockdowns gave me the urge to play remotely, but I was so busy at home I didn't ever get around to it, though I did buy some TTRPG products, in digital media form." gemini://carcosa.net/journal/20220729-ttrpg-pdf-tablet.gmi | Jul 29 17:22 |
| matey | i cited the dictionary i got that thrown back at me | Jul 29 17:22 |
| matey | thats smug | Jul 29 17:22 |
| matey | i a fool for taking the dictionary into account | Jul 29 17:23 |
| matey | really, okay | Jul 29 17:23 |
| matey | your argument rests on unfairly rewording what i said | Jul 29 17:23 |
| techrights-news | "SeeedStudio has unveiled the reComputer J101 and J202 which are compatible with the 260-pin SODIMM modules" ☛ https://linuxgizmos.com/seeedstudio-launches-carrier-boards-for-jetson-nano-xavier-nx-tx2-nx/ | Source: Linux Gizmos | Jul 29 17:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/seeedstudio-launches-carrier-boards-for-jetson-nano-xavier-nx-tx2-nx/ ) | Jul 29 17:23 | |
| techrights-news | "One we apparently missed that arrived with Native Linux support back in May" ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/voodoo-detective-is-a-monkey-island-inspired-point-and-click-adventure/ | Source: GamingOnLinux | Jul 29 17:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Voodoo Detective is a Monkey Island inspired point-and-click adventure | GamingOnLinux | Jul 29 17:23 | |
| matey | this is beneath you | Jul 29 17:23 |
| techrights-news | Native GNU/Linux support ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/detective-adventure-lord-winklebottom-investigates-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux | Jul 29 17:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Detective adventure Lord Winklebottom Investigates is out now | GamingOnLinux | Jul 29 17:24 | |
| matey | at least its beneath my general impression of you | Jul 29 17:24 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://rimgo.bcow.xyz/gallery/Ge41Ctu | Jul 29 17:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rimgo.bcow.xyz | Ringo a year later. - rimgo | Jul 29 17:24 | |
| matey | if i were to make it personal, id say that this probably means more to you than you let on | Jul 29 17:25 |
| matey | since for most things, you dont stoop to this | Jul 29 17:25 |
| matey | but hell, thats a sloppy guess | Jul 29 17:25 |
| techrights-news | "Recently I showed off Halo Infinite running quite nicely online on the Steam Deck" ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/ge-proton-7-27-halo-infinite-campaign-and-videos-steam-deck-linux/ | Source: GamingOnLinux | Jul 29 17:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GE-Proton 7-27 has the Halo Infinite campaign and videos working on Steam Deck & Linux | GamingOnLinux | Jul 29 17:25 | |
| XRevan86 | matey: Ye gave no indication these are not your words. | Jul 29 17:25 |
| matey | oh, blow me. | Jul 29 17:26 |
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| matey | todays forecast: cloudy with a chance of urine | Jul 29 17:27 |
| XRevan86 | Dictionaries are not meant to give an in-depth view into a human's psyche. The definition is concise and unambiguous enough. | Jul 29 17:27 |
| techrights-news | "Bottles is the free and open source app that allows you to easily manage Wine" ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/wine-manager-app-bottles-makes-rolling-back-configs-real-easy/ | Source: GamingOnLinux | Jul 29 17:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wine manager app Bottles makes rolling back configs real easy | GamingOnLinux | Jul 29 17:28 | |
| MinceR | Jimmy Urine? | Jul 29 17:30 |
| techrights-news | SolidRun introduces SolidWAN software-defined edge network hardware with NXP LX 16-core Cortex-A72 SoCs • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167792 | Jul 29 17:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SolidRun introduces SolidWAN software-defined edge network hardware with NXP LX 16-core Cortex-A72 SoCs | Tux Machines | Jul 29 17:30 | |
| techrights-news | "As reported by Vice and followed up on by Wired, posts about abortion receive intense scrutiny online." ☛ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/abortion-information-coming-down-across-social-media-what-happening-and-what-next | Source: EFF | Jul 29 17:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Abortion Information Is Coming Down Across Social Media. What Is Happening and What Next. | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Jul 29 17:31 | |
| matey | aka jimmy riddle | Jul 29 17:31 |
| techrights-news | "Let’s dive straight into the most prominent news across the IoT landscape from the last two months." ☛ https://ubuntu.com//blog/state-of-iot-june-2022 | Source: Ubuntu | Jul 29 17:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The State of IoT – June & July 2022 | Ubuntu | Jul 29 17:31 | |
| matey | you must remember this, a piss is just a piss, a sigh is just a sigh | Jul 29 17:32 |
| techrights-news | "In my previous article about rustup, I showed you how to install the Rust toolchain." ☛ https://opensource.com/article/22/7/learn-rust-rustlings | Source: OpenSource.com | Jul 29 17:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Learn Rust by debugging Rust | Opensource.com | Jul 29 17:32 | |
| techrights-news | "Shell scripts can span multiple files, and well-written code is further broken down into functions." ☛ https://opensource.com/article/22/7/print-stack-trace-bash-scripts | Source: OpenSource.com | Jul 29 17:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fix bugs in Bash scripts by printing a stack trace | Opensource.com | Jul 29 17:32 | |
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| techrights-news | "special version of Proton" ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/proton-experimental-brings-support-for-unravel-two-fixes-up-civilization-iv/ | Source: GamingOnLinux | Jul 29 17:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Proton Experimental brings support for Unravel Two, fixes up Civilization IV | GamingOnLinux | Jul 29 17:33 | |
| techrights-news | The Top 10 Most Popular AppImage Apps for Linux • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167793 | Jul 29 17:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Top 10 Most Popular AppImage Apps for Linux | Tux Machines | Jul 29 17:34 | |
| techrights-news | "Yes this is a real thing, DOOM modders will quite literally do anything and I'm here loving it." ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/you-can-now-play-doom-as-the-cat-from-stray/ | Source: GamingOnLinux | Jul 29 17:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-You can now play DOOM as the Cat from Stray | GamingOnLinux | Jul 29 17:34 | |
| techrights-news | "Just King is going to be my next game to be fixated on." ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/just-king-blends-vampire-survivors-action-with-slay-the-spire-progression/ | Source: GamingOnLinux | Jul 29 17:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Just King blends Vampire Survivors action with Slay the Spire progression | GamingOnLinux | Jul 29 17:34 | |
| techrights-news | "Developers will then get all of the proceeds from each sale (minus any required fees and taxes)." ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/itchio-has-another-creator-day-live-with-100-going-to-developers/ | Source: GamingOnLinux | Jul 29 17:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-itch.io has another Creator Day live with 100% going to developers | GamingOnLinux | Jul 29 17:36 | |
| techrights-news | "Looking for your next RPG-shooter hybrid with online co-op?" ☛ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/outriders-officially-gets-a-playable-steam-deck-rating/ | Source: GamingOnLinux | Jul 29 17:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-OUTRIDERS officially gets a Playable Steam Deck rating | GamingOnLinux | Jul 29 17:37 | |
| techrights-news | On privacy ☛ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/federal-preemption-state-privacy-law-hurts-everyone | Source: EFF | Jul 29 17:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Federal Preemption of State Privacy Law Hurts Everyone | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Jul 29 17:38 | |
| techrights-news | Ask EFF if people who oppose abortion also have digital rights. Because EFF stepping into politics mostly splits the support base, makes it less effective at achieving its original goals. | Jul 29 17:40 |
| techrights-news | What’s New in Linux Mint 21 “Vanessa” • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167794 | Jul 29 17:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | What’s New in Linux Mint 21 “Vanessa” | Tux Machines | Jul 29 17:40 | |
| techrights-news | American Innovation and Choice Online Act (AICOA) ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/28/chuck-schumer-admits-whats-been-obvious-for-a-while-there-just-arent-enough-votes-to-pass-sketchy-antitrust-bill-targeting-tech-companies/ | Source: Techdirt | Jul 29 17:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chuck Schumer Admits What’s Been Obvious For A While: There Just Aren’t Enough Votes To Pass Sketchy Antitrust Bill Targeting Tech Companies | Techdirt | Jul 29 17:41 | |
| techrights-news | This is about inclusion in a software patents racket; they are not "anti-troll group", they include trolls like Microsoft, so AOL now issues paid-for fluff for bad people https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/28/lot-the-big-tech-anti-patent-troll-group-launches-adapt-to-tackle-inclusion-in-the-world-of-ip/ http://techrights.org/2020/03/27/the-lot-network-paper-club/ | Jul 29 17:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LOT, the anti-patent-troll group, launches Adapt to tackle inclusion in the world of IP – TechCrunch | Jul 29 17:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | LOT Network is a One-Man (Millionaire’s) Operation and Why This Should Alarm You | Techrights | Jul 29 17:42 | |
| matey | https://yewtu.be/watch?v=J1O5njTp8gY | Jul 29 17:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Reggie Watts (2009) - Nobody Needs a Whole Croissant - Invidious | Jul 29 17:43 | |
| matey | Michelle Wolf: Titanic Explains How White Women Are the Problem | Jul 29 17:47 |
| matey | :) | Jul 29 17:47 |
| matey | XD | Jul 29 17:47 |
| matey | i havent seen it, the title is good enough for me | Jul 29 17:47 |
| techrights-news | ShotSpotter for crackpots ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/28/city-of-chicago-chicago-pd-officers-sued-over-their-use-of-questionable-shotspotter-technology/ | Source: Techdirt | Jul 29 17:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-City Of Chicago, Chicago PD Officers Sued Over Their Use Of Questionable ShotSpotter Technology | Techdirt | Jul 29 17:48 | |
| matey | failed on the first go | Jul 29 17:52 |
| matey | totally saw the duck. rabbit after. | Jul 29 17:52 |
| matey | https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7inNICSFxzc | Jul 29 17:52 |
| techrights-news | "FCC under both Trump and Biden" ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/28/u-s-isps-that-ripped-out-huawei-gear-after-promise-of-fcc-funding-now-struggle-to-get-fcc-funding/ | Source: Techdirt | Jul 29 17:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | 10 Signs You're Actually Normal.. - Invidious | Jul 29 17:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-U.S. ISPs That Ripped Out Huawei Gear After Promise Of FCC Funding Now Struggle To Get FCC Funding | Techdirt | Jul 29 17:52 | |
| matey | didnt even see the rabbit until it was mentioned | Jul 29 17:52 |
| techrights-news | Khrushcheva ☛ https://www.democracynow.org/2022/7/28/nina_khrushcheva_dont_cancel_russian_culture | Source: Democracy Now | Jul 29 17:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | Nina Khrushcheva: “Don’t Cancel Russian Culture.” Collective Punishment “Plays into Putin’s Hands.” | Democracy Now! | Jul 29 17:53 | |
| matey | woman first, but saw the dude right away | Jul 29 17:53 |
| techrights-news | The president’s sidekick Nellie Simon isn’t fulfilling her Office duties; staff isn’t amused http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/too-busy-to-get-real-work-done/ | Jul 29 17:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO VP4 Nellie Simon: 24/7 Day and Night, Only One Hour to Speak to EPO Staff | Techrights | Jul 29 17:54 | |
| techrights-news | China’s official policy is that it'll migrate away from Windows; so far this year the effect can be seen and Microsoft seems to have responded by technical sabotage http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/windows-in-china/ | Jul 29 17:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Windows in Chinese Desktops/Laptops Down to 80% (Hence Microsoft Started Blocking GNU/Linux From Even Booting, as China’s Lenovo Demonstrates) | Techrights | Jul 29 17:54 | |
| techrights-news | "ISP Bright House and several music companies go to trial next week." ☛ https://torrentfreak.com/record-labels-and-isp-bright-house-go-to-trial-over-pirating-subscribers-220728/ | Source: Torrent Freak | Jul 29 17:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Record Labels and ISP Bright House go to Trial over Pirating Subscribers * TorrentFreak | Jul 29 17:58 | |
| techrights-news | "five people have been charged" ☛ https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-iptv-five-charged-following-rcmp-cybercrime-investigation-220728/ | Source: Torrent Freak | Jul 29 17:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pirate IPTV: Five Charged Following RCMP Cybercrime Investigation * TorrentFreak | Jul 29 17:58 | |
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| techrights-news | Telepolis ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/07/28/noam-chomsky-we-can-free-ourselves-state-capitalism | Source: Common Dreams | Jul 29 18:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Noam Chomsky: We Can Free Ourselves from State Capitalism | David Goeßmann | Jul 29 18:09 | |
| techrights-news | "The U.S. House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis released a new report Thursday following a yearlong investigation into the eviction practices of Pretium Partners" ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/28/report-details-abusive-eviction-tactics-corporate-landlords-during-height-pandemic | Source: Common Dreams | Jul 29 18:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Report Details 'Abusive' Eviction Tactics by Corporate Landlords During Height of Pandemic | Jul 29 18:16 | |
| techrights-news | Patents kill. And some people profits from it. ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/28/vaccine-equity-activists-denounce-pfizers-obscene-pandemic-windfall | Source: Common Dreams | Jul 29 18:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Vaccine Equity Activists Denounce Pfizer's 'Obscene' Pandemic Windfall | Jul 29 18:17 | |
| XRevan86 | matey: I'll just drop it. | Jul 29 18:19 |
| matey | ive figured out how to make the algorithm hundreds of times more efficient with just a few lines added and zero extra loops | Jul 29 18:19 |
| matey | i would have done it sooner if id known (just how much) it was needed | Jul 29 18:20 |
| matey | this fucking thing might never finish otherwise | Jul 29 18:20 |
| techrights-news | anxiety, despair ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/07/28/four-ways-improve-anxiety-and-despair-amid-never-ending-bad-news | Source: Common Dreams | Jul 29 18:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Four Ways to Improve Anxiety and Despair Amid Never-Ending Bad News | Zoe Weil | Jul 29 18:20 | |
| matey | if its not done in a few hours, it will be worth stopping it and starting it over with the new code (which i havent written yet) | Jul 29 18:21 |
| matey | pretty straightforward change | Jul 29 18:21 |
| techrights-news | Games: GE-Proton 7-27, Bottles, DOOM, and More • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167795 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/29/Games:_GE-Proton_7-27,_Bottles,_DOOM,_and_More.shtml #news | Jul 29 18:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: GE-Proton 7-27, Bottles, DOOM, and More | Tux Machines | Jul 29 18:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Games: GE-Proton 7-27, Bottles, DOOM, and More | Jul 29 18:21 | |
| MinceR | 29 184001 < techrights-news> Ask EFF if people who oppose abortion also have digital rights. | Jul 29 18:26 |
| MinceR | do those people care about "digital rights"? | Jul 29 18:26 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | (ℹ) Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-28.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-29.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi | Jul 29 18:30 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | MinceR: that relates to my question ^_^ | Jul 29 18:38 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | they care for some other things | Jul 29 18:39 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | EFF's goals are a side dish | Jul 29 18:39 |
| techrights-news | "This bill would allow employers to trample on the rights of an untold numbers of workers." ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/28/propelled-victory-dem-leaders-cuellar-says-725-too-much-millions-workers | Source: Common Dreams | Jul 29 18:40 |
| MinceR | yeah, they care for fundamentalism and authoritarianism | Jul 29 18:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Propelled to Victory by Dem Leaders, Cuellar Says $7.25 Too Much for Millions of Workers | Jul 29 18:40 | |
| matey | the biggest and bloodiest wars happened after money was invented | Jul 29 18:44 |
| MinceR | also after religion was invented | Jul 29 18:44 |
| matey | and some of the worst war criminals were against religion (though not necessary the worst war criminals BECAUSE they were against religion, because the religious had some nasty ones too) but im sure its a coincidence | Jul 29 18:44 |
| MinceR | and also after the idea that some people have the right to be in charge of others was invented | Jul 29 18:44 |
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| matey | and also after the idea that some people have the right to be in charge of others was invented <- yes but i think that was a BIT farther back | Jul 29 18:45 |
| MinceR | probably only really against _most_ religions | Jul 29 18:45 |
| matey | stalin was against all religions except stalinism | Jul 29 18:45 |
| matey | and he was a jealous god | Jul 29 18:46 |
| MinceR | which was an offshoot of leninism, which was an offshoot of marxism | Jul 29 18:46 |
| matey | i wouldnt say it was marxism any more than id say jeffery dahmerism was an offshoot of christianity | Jul 29 18:46 |
| matey | i wouldnt say it was leninism either, but ill settle for it not being marxist | Jul 29 18:47 |
| matey | certainly he claimed it was an offshoot of marxism | Jul 29 18:47 |
| matey | much like the baptists say theyre christian but i dont recall jesus blowing up any abortion clincis | Jul 29 18:48 |
| matey | or clinics for that matter | Jul 29 18:48 |
| techrights-news | "outsized importance live sports has on the adoption of streaming as a primary entertainment platform compared with traditional cable." ☛ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/28/the-nfls-new-streaming-offering-kind-of-sucks-thanks-to-legacy-broadcasting-rights/ | Source: Techdirt | Jul 29 18:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The NFL’s New Streaming Offering… Kind Of Sucks Thanks To Legacy Broadcasting Rights | Techdirt | Jul 29 18:48 | |
| matey | its almost like what rome did to christianity | Jul 29 18:50 |
| matey | stalin decided to make the state into a god | Jul 29 18:50 |
| matey | which was convenient since he was the state | Jul 29 18:50 |
| matey | then again this is also what led to his death so maybe not as good an idea as he thought | Jul 29 18:51 |
| matey | he was also into that infallibility thing | Jul 29 18:51 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/29/roaming-charges-63/ | Jul 29 18:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Roaming Charges: Tell Tom Joad the News - CounterPunch.org | Jul 29 18:51 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | "Ticket prices for Springsteen’s Born to Run tour in 1975 averaged about $8 for general admission. ($7.50 in Upper Darby, PA, when he played venues that small.) The minimum wage was $2.10 per hour. So a kid had to work less than half a day to earn enough to go to the gig. Today the minimum wage is a miserly $7.25 an hour. But the price of tickets for this fall’s Springsteen tour ranges from $100 to more than $5000 a piece. The | Jul 29 18:51 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | cheapest price I could find for the Portland show was a restricted view seat from behind the stage selling for $136–which means that a Springsteen fan who works at a minimum wage job (assuming he has any left) would have to work nearly 3 full days to buy a crappy ticket. Landau said the absurd ticket prices were “a fair price to see someone universally regarded as among the very greatest artists of his generation.” They c | Jul 29 18:51 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | all him the boss for a reason. Now go tell Tom Joad the news." | Jul 29 18:51 |
| techrights-news | "Given that the primary role of unions is to advocate for the interests of their members on the job" ☛ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/29/organized-labor-and-the-crisis-of-democracy/ | Source: Counter Punch | Jul 29 18:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Organized Labor and the Crisis of Democracy - CounterPunch.org | Jul 29 18:52 | |
| matey | all him the boss for a reason <- i think this has more to do with the labels | Jul 29 18:52 |
| MinceR | i'm not familiar with jeffrey dahmerism | Jul 29 18:53 |
| matey | it didnt have many followers | Jul 29 18:53 |
| MinceR | 29 194810 < matey> much like the baptists say theyre christian but i dont recall jesus blowing up any abortion clincis | Jul 29 18:53 |
| matey | and even those didnt last long (unless he used plastic wrap) | Jul 29 18:53 |
| MinceR | there's something in scripture (which already existed before christianity) that they believe justifies banning abortion | Jul 29 18:53 |
| MinceR | one of the problems with the bible is that it's inconsistent and vague | Jul 29 18:54 |
| matey | actually that wasnt always a problem | Jul 29 18:54 |
| MinceR | so all sorts of nutcases can find something in there to support their ideology and justify their acts | Jul 29 18:54 |
| matey | which supports my poin | Jul 29 18:54 |
| matey | so all sorts of nutcases can find something <- this option was always open | Jul 29 18:54 |
| matey | but fundamentalism, and specifically literalism came along | Jul 29 18:54 |
| matey | thanks to rome, you know | Jul 29 18:54 |
| matey | and sort of triumphed over the traditional way of reading the old testament | Jul 29 18:55 |
| matey | of course on the rabbinic side you have another kettle of fish | Jul 29 18:55 |
| matey | gradually transforming torah into something more literal through rabbis coding laws around it | Jul 29 18:56 |
| matey | which is the same problem, but not as bad as having people do the trailer park tv preacher version | Jul 29 18:56 |
| MinceR | to me it seems that not insisting on being literal gives one more options, not fewer | Jul 29 18:56 |
| matey | nonetheless this came much later | Jul 29 18:56 |
| matey | not insisting on being literal gives one more options, not fewer <- thats exactly what it does | Jul 29 18:56 |
| matey | even today | Jul 29 18:56 |
| matey | but some people liked literalism, because theyre stupid | Jul 29 18:57 |
| MinceR | so how is literalism the culprit here? | Jul 29 18:57 |
| matey | i mean its responsible for the bulk of what youre complaining about | Jul 29 18:57 |
| matey | not all of it, certainly most of it | Jul 29 18:57 |
| matey | did i misread this "not insisting on being literal gives one more options, not fewer" | Jul 29 18:58 |
| matey | because it certainly follows | Jul 29 18:58 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▅▅▅▅▅▆▇▅▆▆▄▆▅▅▅▆▆▇▂▅▅▅▇▆▇▇▅▆▆▆▆▁ avg(k/sec) 31.55 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▁▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▂█▁▁▁▂▁▂▂▂▁▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 15.05▕ swarm size (avg): 0 ⟲ | Jul 29 18:59 |
| MinceR | probably | Jul 29 18:59 |
| matey | when it was less literal there was more room for interpretation | Jul 29 18:59 |
| techrights-news | Bailout out the rich, at the expense of the poor ☛ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/29/the-semi-conductor-bill-and-the-moderna-billionaires/ | Source: Counter Punch | Jul 29 18:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Semi-Conductor Bill and the Moderna Billionaires - CounterPunch.org | Jul 29 18:59 | |
| matey | less to fight over | Jul 29 18:59 |
| matey | when it was more literal, now disagreements became splits | Jul 29 18:59 |
| MinceR | in one case, you get to "justify" something if you can find some text that literally says what you want | Jul 29 18:59 |
| MinceR | in the other case, even that is not necessary, you just wave your hands | Jul 29 19:00 |
| MinceR | and scripture supports your "point" | Jul 29 19:00 |
| matey | waving your hands is less compelling than "theres only one way to read this" | Jul 29 19:00 |
| matey | which do you think lent itself to bloodier wars | Jul 29 19:00 |
| MinceR | well, there's that | Jul 29 19:00 |
| matey | i mean history supports my argument-- its based on what actually happened | Jul 29 19:00 |
| MinceR | though i think people should be more difficult to compel than either of those | Jul 29 19:00 |
| matey | you sound like youre agreeing, until you insist otherwise | Jul 29 19:00 |
| matey | but if you dont agree, then youre throwing out what happened and how it played out historically | Jul 29 19:01 |
| matey | the more literal it got, the more contentious and bloody it got | Jul 29 19:01 |
| matey | the more fundamentalism sprang up | Jul 29 19:01 |
| matey | though even i would say that had as much to do with other disparities | Jul 29 19:01 |
| matey | what changed is that religion had less power to bring people together | Jul 29 19:02 |
| MinceR | correlation does not imply causation, though :> | Jul 29 19:02 |
| matey | but either way its bad | Jul 29 19:02 |
| matey | i mean we can always fall back on that | Jul 29 19:02 |
| matey | and if we do so enough, the only way we will ever be convinced of causation is when its also unsupported by correlation :) | Jul 29 19:02 |
| matey | sooner or later there will be an explanation that is plausible in how it works | Jul 29 19:05 |
| matey | whic goes beyond correlation | Jul 29 19:05 |
| matey | but if it works, correlation will also b a likely biproduct | Jul 29 19:05 |
| matey | the problem with correlation is it doesnt narrow it down enough. it doesnt rule out post hoc coincidence | Jul 29 19:08 |
| techrights-news | Welcome to SCaLE 19x - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=g52MGi_H2j8 | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/g52MGi_H2j8 | Jul 29 19:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Welcome to SCaLE 19x - Invidious | Jul 29 19:08 | |
| matey | if i sneeze while typing, how do i know that i didnt sneeze the letters onto the screen | Jul 29 19:09 |
| techrights-news | Valve’s a distro maintainer, now. They need a "patch Tuesday." - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=g9-e-zu1QKw | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/g9-e-zu1QKw | Jul 29 19:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Valve's a distro maintainer, now. They need a "patch Tuesday." - Invidious | Jul 29 19:09 | |
| matey | i know how a keyboard works (some may dispute this) | Jul 29 19:09 |
| techrights-news | Unlocking the Steam Deck - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=GBvlMvivCnI | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/GBvlMvivCnI | Jul 29 19:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Unlocking the Steam Deck - Invidious | Jul 29 19:09 | |
| matey | both the sneeze and the typing qualify as correlation, but the sneeze is a coincidence | Jul 29 19:10 |
| techrights-news | Sysadmins are Super Heroes! (System Administrator Appreciation Day 2022) - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=fSDfgFduog8 | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/fSDfgFduog8 http://techrights.org/2019/07/17/we-are-the-windows-powered-linux-foundation/ | Jul 29 19:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Sysadmins are Super Heroes! (System Administrator Appreciation Day 2022) - Invidious | Jul 29 19:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Apparently Celebrates Sysadmin Day With a Microsoft Windows Site! | Techrights | Jul 29 19:10 | |
| matey | the underlying mechanism is the way out of a sea of correlative possibilities | Jul 29 19:11 |
| techrights-news | Enterprise Linux Security Episode 37 - System Administrator Appreciation Day 2022 - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=pBrBDInJms8 | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/pBrBDInJms8 http://techrights.org/2019/07/17/we-are-the-windows-powered-linux-foundation/ | Jul 29 19:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Enterprise Linux Security Episode 37 - System Administrator Appreciation Day 2022 - Invidious | Jul 29 19:11 | |
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| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167796 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/29/howtos_2.shtml #news | Jul 29 19:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jul 29 19:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Jul 29 19:12 | |
| matey | i pressed the keys. and a good 70 percent of the time :) i get the same letters i pressed | Jul 29 19:12 |
| matey | the rest are a product of a faulty keyboard, clearly | Jul 29 19:12 |
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| techrights-news | How Tor is fighting—and beating—Russian censorship https://www.wired.co.uk/article/tor-browser-russia-blocks says Conde Nast, which shelters pedophiles as editors | Jul 29 19:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wired.co.uk | How Tor Is Fighting—and Beating—Russian Censorship | WIRED UK | Jul 29 19:15 | |
| techrights-news | Audiocasts/Shows: SCaLE19x, Valve, and System Administrator Appreciation Day 2022 • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167797 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/29/AudiocastsShows:_SCaLE19x,_Valve,_and_System_Administrator_Appreciation_Day_2022.shtml #news | Jul 29 19:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: SCaLE19x, Valve, and System Administrator Appreciation Day 2022 | Tux Machines | Jul 29 19:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: SCaLE19x, Valve, and System Administrator Appreciation Day 2022 | Jul 29 19:16 | |
| techrights-news | This is an interesting (and concerning) type of rootkits. Hard to tell how much of it really is in the wild at the moment. https://securelist.com/cosmicstrand-uefi-firmware-rootkit/106973/ http://techrights.org/wiki/UEFI#2022 | Jul 29 19:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CosmicStrand: the discovery of a sophisticated UEFI firmware rootkit | Securelist | Jul 29 19:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | UEFI - Techrights | Jul 29 19:18 | |
| techrights-news | NVIDIA with Wayland on GNOME gemini://remyabel.srht.site/posts/2022-07-29.gmi | Jul 29 19:19 |
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| MinceR | https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/apples.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/rob-apples#comic ) | Jul 29 19:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cyanide & Happiness (Explosm.net) | Jul 29 19:22 | |
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| DaemonFC | Anyone who would pay that to see Bruce Springsteen is a douche. | Jul 29 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | So that settles it. | Jul 29 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz[TR2], He knows there's plenty of boomers who got rich by being landlords and other parasites. | Jul 29 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | Paying that much to see him in concert isn't that much. | Jul 29 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | They can always raise the rent $200 a month. | Jul 29 19:34 |
| techrights-news | Links 29/07/2022: ’Linux’ Foundation is Greenwashing Microsoft | Techrights ⚓ http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/linux-foundation-greenwashing-microsoft/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/29/linux-foundation-greenwashing-microsoft/ | Jul 29 19:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 29/07/2022: ‘Linux’ Foundation is Greenwashing Microsoft | Techrights | Jul 29 19:37 | |
| techrights-news | Security Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167798 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/29/Security_Leftovers.shtml #news | Jul 29 19:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 29 19:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Jul 29 19:38 | |
| techrights-news | Programming Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167799 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/29/Programming_Leftovers.shtml #news | Jul 29 19:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 29 19:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Jul 29 19:39 | |
| techrights-news | Devices: Raspberry PI Pico and More • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167800 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/29/Devices:_Raspberry_PI_Pico_and_More.shtml #news | Jul 29 19:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices: Raspberry PI Pico and More | Tux Machines | Jul 29 19:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | Devices: Raspberry PI Pico and More | Jul 29 19:39 | |
| techrights-news | Today’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167801 ⇨ https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/07/29/today%27s_leftovers.shtml #news | Jul 29 19:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 29 19:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Jul 29 19:39 | |
| DaemonFC | WGN was talking about "lottery jackpots", so I replied: | Jul 29 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | Each week, they sell about hundreds of millions of tickets that lose. They take most of the money. The pot grows until 8-9 weeks in, someone wins. After the state took half the money. Then when someone wins after billions of $20 tickets were sold (where the government already took half), they tax it and take half the "winnings". In the mean time, they pay "the news" to blast lottery propaganda about "winnings". | Jul 29 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | Most of the people who play the lottery a lot are poor and will never win anything and don't understand just how bad the odds really are. This enables the state to avoid taxing rich people because they can get poor people to pay for everything through the lottery scam. | Jul 29 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | Eventually, when someone does win, it usually results in "the lottery winner's curse". It will go to someone with such poor money management skills that $300 million dollars disappears in 4-5 years and they die penniless in a trailer park. | Jul 29 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | In most states, the lottery wasn't even legal until about 1990. In Indiana it wasn't legal until about 1990, which is when the state realized just how much money it was foregoing by legalizing gambling, which is socially undesirable and ruins lives with addiction. Since the lottery was legalized, the state lied about where the money would go. It said roads and public pensions, then it cut taxes on the rich and stuffed the lottery money into the | Jul 29 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | general fund. | Jul 29 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | Today, Illinois does the same thing with weed, and after they want to spend even more than the casinos, lottery, and legal dope take in, perhaps they'll make crack, shrooms, acid, meth, and opioids legal too. Then prostitution will be fine because the state is your pimp, drug dealer, and gambling hustler. | Jul 29 19:46 |
| techrights-news | CEOs ☛ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/29/its-time-to-crackdown-on-the-excessive-pay-of-ceos/ | Source: Counter Punch | Jul 29 19:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It’s Time to Crackdown on the Excessive Pay of CEO’s - CounterPunch.org | Jul 29 19:48 | |
| techrights-news | Weaponization ☛ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/29/the-weaponization-of-food/ | Source: Counter Punch | Jul 29 19:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Weaponization of Food - CounterPunch.org | Jul 29 19:50 | |
| techrights-news | "macro keypad" ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/07/28/a-customizable-macropad-to-make-anyones-tail-wag/ | Source: Hackaday | Jul 29 19:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Customizable Macropad To Make Anyone’s Tail Wag | Hackaday | Jul 29 19:51 | |
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| techrights-news | "The C64 may be the best-selling computer of all time" ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/07/28/hackaday-prize-2022-a-functional-commodore-pet-tribute/ | Source: Hackaday | Jul 29 19:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hackaday Prize 2022: A Functional Commodore PET Tribute | Hackaday | Jul 29 19:52 | |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JS91p-vmSf0 | Jul 29 19:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Franz Schubert: Erlkönig - Invidious | Jul 29 19:56 | |
| techrights-news | "fears of a looming recession"... oh yea... EVERYTHING IS FINE NOW... but there MIGHT be ... a "recession" they say ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/28/recession-fears-spark-calls-stop-hiking-interest-rates-and-rein-corporate-greed | Source: Common Dreams | Jul 29 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Recession Fears Spark Calls to Stop Hiking Interest Rates and Rein In Corporate Greed | Jul 29 19:58 | |
| techrights-news | "Workers at a Massachusetts Trader Joe's on Thursday voted to become the first of the supermarket chain's more than 500 locations to unionize" ☛ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/28/victory-historic-massachusetts-trader-joes-becomes-first-unionize | Source: Common Dreams | Jul 29 19:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'This Victory Is Historic': Massachusetts Trader Joe's Becomes First to Unionize | Jul 29 19:58 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | DaemonFC: there might be a rescission ... MIGHT | Jul 29 19:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | GDP deflating for several quarters | Jul 29 19:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | GAFAM blaming "weak dollar" | Jul 29 19:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | carry on buying | Jul 29 19:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | it'll be fine soon :-) | Jul 29 19:58 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | stockpile aitrpods | Jul 29 19:59 |
| MinceR | https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/sometime.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/kris-sometime#comic ) | Jul 29 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | It's not a weak dollar, though. | Jul 29 19:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cyanide & Happiness (Explosm.net) | Jul 29 19:59 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | support the economy | Jul 29 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | The Dollar Index is at 107, last I looked. | Jul 29 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | That's unusually strong. | Jul 29 19:59 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | Microsoft finds something to blame | Jul 29 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | It's been as low as 70-80 and we were fine then. | Jul 29 19:59 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | the bailouts were not enough | Jul 29 19:59 |
| techrights-news | "We think of data storage as a modern problem, but even ancient civilizations kept records." ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/07/28/inca-knots-inspire-quantum-computer/ | Source: Hackaday | Jul 29 19:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Inca Knots Inspire Quantum Computer | Hackaday | Jul 29 19:59 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz[TR2], So it goes from 70 to 107 and strengthens greatly, that implies that a strong dollar could be the problem. | Jul 29 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | Their export markets can't afford their products and cut back due to weak Euros and Yen and stuff. | Jul 29 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | A weak Euro isn't the only reason why their foreign markets are in the shitter. | Jul 29 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be pretty pissed if I had to live in Europe and gasoline was $9 a gallon and the government was dipping into the emergency natural gas for winter in the middle of July. | Jul 29 20:01 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | here is the thing | Jul 29 20:01 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | in the US it's hard without s car | Jul 29 20:01 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | for many reasons | Jul 29 20:01 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | inc. lack of decent public transport | Jul 29 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | Government running off with 70% of your income. | Jul 29 20:02 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | in european cities it can be simpler getting by without a car | Jul 29 20:02 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | cars consume a lot of energy, sometimes more than a whole home of 5 people | Jul 29 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | The only way to make do without a car is live in a crime infested Democrat shithole. | Jul 29 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | Where the public transit is a liability that ferries around criminals with illegal guns who attack the bus driver with a frozen chicken. | Jul 29 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | One guy actually brought gasoline on board the train and set himself on fire and the police had to drag him out. | Jul 29 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, who wants to ride that? | Jul 29 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | Nobody with a choice, Roy. Nobody with a choice. | Jul 29 20:03 |
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| techrights-news | Commodore 64 ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/07/28/new-os-for-commodore-64-adds-modern-features/ | Source: Hackaday | Jul 29 20:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New OS For Commodore 64 Adds Modern Features | Hackaday | Jul 29 20:08 | |
| techrights-news | "8-bit computer revolution" ☛ https://hackaday.com/2022/07/29/perseus-9-the-dual-6502-portable-machine-that-should-have-been/ | Source: Hackaday | Jul 29 20:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PERSEUS-9, The Dual-6502 Portable Machine That Should Have Been | Hackaday | Jul 29 20:09 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | DaemonFC: public transport can be a pain anywhere | Jul 29 20:12 |
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| schestowitz[TR2] | we just walk a lot | Jul 29 20:12 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | even cycling can be good | Jul 29 20:12 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | in warmer days | Jul 29 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, they have to let anyone ride it. They were court ordered they can't ban anyone. | Jul 29 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | CIT (War in Ukraine): https://telegra.ph/July-28-dispatch-07-29 | Jul 29 20:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-telegra.ph | July 28 dispatch – Telegraph | Jul 29 20:13 | |
| DaemonFC | So you can literally shoot someone on the train and if they parole you, they have to let you back on the train. | Jul 29 20:13 |
| techrights-news | "Over a summer sup on the back lawn the other night, a Times-reading, MSNBC–watching, NPR–listening neighbor..." ☛ https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/28/patrick-lawrence-the-causes-of-things/ | Source: Scheerpost | Jul 29 20:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patrick Lawrence: The Causes of Things – scheerpost.com | Jul 29 20:14 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz[TR2], Turnstile jumping is something that goes on all the time. | Jul 29 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | The police don't really enforce it much. Don't do it if you're white. | Jul 29 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | Nobody is going to raise hell, so they'll arrest you. | Jul 29 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | There are actually liberal groups who say turnstile jumping shouldn't be enforced against black people because making them pay $2 like everyone else does is racist. | Jul 29 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I'm sure they were on their way to a job interview when they realized they left their wallet in their other pants, lady! :) | Jul 29 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | No time to go back for it or they'd be late for the job interview. And the illegal gun the police found? That was obviously planted. Besides, it was for a security job. If the Johns don't pay, what else are you supposed to do with them? | Jul 29 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | It's all very explainable. | Jul 29 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz[TR2], You know what I always say. If you're committing a felony, don't commit a petty offense that draws attention. | Jul 29 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | They'll happily evade a $2 fare while they have an illegal handgun in their pocket. | Jul 29 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | Police look for minor offenses and "tells". | Jul 29 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | A "tell" is not an offense, but it gets you flagged for more scrutiny, like deliberately avoiding eye contact (making an effort to not look in their general direction). | Jul 29 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | So you forget that you're doing something illegal and act naturally. | Jul 29 20:21 |
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| DaemonFC | I mean, when I was a teenager, I walked past cops with cigarettes in my pocket. | Jul 29 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | My neighbor was the chief of police and I'd be sitting outside in my back yard drinking a beer and smoking a cigar. | Jul 29 20:22 |
| XRevan86 | https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/07/29/7360893/ | Jul 29 20:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pravda.com.ua | Explosion in the Olenivka penal colony planned and executed by the Russian Federation ? conversation intercepted by SSU | Ukrainska Pravda | Jul 29 20:22 | |
| XRevan86 | https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/07/29/7360947/ | Jul 29 20:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pravda.com.ua | ICRC submitted a request to visit Olenivka | Ukrainska Pravda | Jul 29 20:22 | |
| DaemonFC | There's really not much they can do to kids for minor misdemeanors anyway. | Jul 29 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | They can lock you up for a weekend and have a judge yell at you and pretend what's coming is a big deal. | Jul 29 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | Then your record gets wiped when you turn 18. | Jul 29 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | I got all my community service hours in on one day at the park pulling weeds. | Jul 29 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | Eh, who cares? | Jul 29 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | It's not like they catch you smoking and you get 100 lashes in public square and that'll teach you! | Jul 29 20:24 |
| techrights-news | Patents ☛ https://truthout.org/articles/gop-opposition-to-drug-pricing-bill-shows-scope-of-big-pharmas-grip-on-congress/ | Source: TruthOut | Jul 29 20:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | GOP Opposition to Drug Pricing Bill Shows Scope of Big Pharma’s Grip on Congress | Jul 29 20:54 | |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▅▅▅▅▅▆▇▅▆▆▄▆▅▅▅▆▆▇▂▅▅▅▇▆▇▇▅▆▆▆▆▁ avg(k/sec) 31.55 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▁▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▂█▁▁▁▂▁▂▂▂▁▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 15.05▕ swarm size (avg): 0 ⟲ | Jul 29 20:59 |
| XRevan86 | The Azov regiment surrendered under an agreement between Russia and the UN / Red Cross. So Ш is going to be whether the UN is going to eat this shit up or they're going to do something. | Jul 29 21:00 |
| XRevan86 | And so I pressed Enter accidentally and botched the message. | Jul 29 21:00 |
| XRevan86 | * So I'm going to look at whether | Jul 29 21:00 |
| techrights-news | Linux Mint 21 “Vanessa” Is Now Available for Download, This Is What’s New • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167802 | Jul 29 21:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 21 “Vanessa” Is Now Available for Download, This Is What’s New | Tux Machines | Jul 29 21:10 | |
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| psydroid2 | I've just run Geekbench for my HP Zbook Studio G3 and the results are only about 30% behind those of AMD's new entry-level APU to be launched later this year | Jul 29 21:25 |
| psydroid2 | are these companies completely taking the piss out of their customers? | Jul 29 21:26 |
| MinceR | the UN rarely does anything | Jul 29 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz[TR2], I was reading about a game called XBill. | Jul 29 21:29 |
| MinceR | and when it does it's typically either spreading propaganda or lobbying for laws that someone pays them to do | Jul 29 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora refused to package it in 2009 because Red Hat's legal said it "disparaged" Bill Gates and Microsoft. | Jul 29 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | And went beyond parody into something they worried they'd be sued over. | Jul 29 21:29 |
| MinceR | the ICRC also rarely does anything, and when they do it's outragism against video games | Jul 29 21:29 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | (ℹ) Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-28.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-29.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi | Jul 29 21:30 |
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| MinceR | https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/costume3.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/kris-costume-2#comic ) | Jul 29 21:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cyanide & Happiness (Explosm.net) | Jul 29 21:34 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Does look that way. | Jul 29 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But the UN gave assurances to Ukraine, and maybe, just maybe, this personal violation will make them move a little. Who knows? | Jul 29 21:44 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Jul 29 21:44 |
| MinceR | maybe a GRB will hit us and end this circus quickly | Jul 29 21:45 |
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| DaemonFC | https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/article%3Fhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.nytimes.com%252F2022%252F07%252F29%252Fbusiness%252Fstrong-profits-shaky-economy.html | Jul 29 22:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-portal.mozz.us | Gemini Portal | Jul 29 22:02 | |
| DaemonFC | "On the earnings call for McDonald’s, the company’s chief financial officer said some of its customers were choosing “value” offerings over others. On Chipotle’s earnings call, its chief executive, Brian Niccol, said: “The low-income consumer definitely has pulled back their purchase frequency. Fortunately, for Chipotle, that is not the majority of our customers.”" | Jul 29 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | "Big retailers like Walmart have said their customers are spending so much on must-have items like food and fuel that they’re eschewing higher-cost merchandise, like clothes and home goods. Since shoppers are still spending at Walmart for the staples, the company — and to a certain extent, the economy — still benefits from their purchases, though the shift has hit its profit margins and helped pummel its stock." | Jul 29 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, Greenspan said he followed sales of men's underwear to get an idea about recessions. | Jul 29 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart says clothing sales have hit the skids. | Jul 29 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | People are avoiding clothes to put food in their cart. | Jul 29 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | "Economy great, never better, nothing to see here! 4% unemployment!" | Jul 29 22:04 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/07/29/terrible-coffee-mugs-at-the-office/ | Jul 29 22:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleated-jeans.com | This Account Shares Pics Of Terrible Mugs People Like To Sip Out Of At Work (35 Pics) | Jul 29 22:10 | |
| britney | TMNT: Shredder's Revenge is awesome | Jul 29 22:26 |
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| MinceR | https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/06/28/cursed-shirts/ | Jul 29 22:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleated-jeans.com | 69 Shirts With Auras That Are Equal Parts Threatening And Bizarre | Jul 29 22:47 | |
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| techrights-news | Oh, immunity? ☛ https://truthout.org/articles/trump-claims-absolute-immunity-protects-him-against-jan-6-civil-lawsuits/ | Source: TruthOut | Jul 29 23:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Trump Claims "Absolute Immunity" Protects Him Against Jan. 6 Civil Lawsuits | Jul 29 23:17 | |
| MinceR | https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/06/27/that-name-isnt-a-tragedeigh-its-a-murghdyrr-22-hilariously-unfortunate-names-parents-have-given-their-kids/ | Jul 29 23:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleated-jeans.com | "That Name Isn't A Tragedeigh, It's A Murghdyrr" — 22 Hilariously Unfortunate Names Parents Have Given Their Kids | Jul 29 23:22 | |
| techrights-news | "See a pattern? Leave your nation’s money in a western bank, and it might not be yours for very long" ☛ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/29/the-west-cant-stop-pillaging-other-countries-bank-accounts/ | Source: Counter Punch | Jul 29 23:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The West Can’t Stop Pillaging Other Countries’ Bank Accounts - CounterPunch.org | Jul 29 23:22 | |
| techrights-news | While criminals from Microsoft start outright blocking dual boot or just Linux boot... the Microsoft boosters ramp up the ATTACK on GNU/Linux, dubbed WSL (Windows misusing the brand "Linux") https://www.maketecheasier.com/improve-wsl-experience/ | Jul 29 23:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | 5 Things to Do to Improve Your WSL Experience - Make Tech Easier | Jul 29 23:26 | |
| techrights-news | There are so many Microsoft Zero-Days and Microsoft even shares them with the NSA (back doors) https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/07/microsoft-zero-days-sold-and-then-used.html | Jul 29 23:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Zero-Days Sold and then Used - Schneier on Security | Jul 29 23:27 | |
| techrights-news | Microsoft claiming to value security is an outright lie; it's just another blame game https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/07/microsoft-says-0-days-sold-by-austrian-firm-were-used-to-hack-customers/ | Jul 29 23:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | 0-days sold by Austrian firm used to hack Windows users, Microsoft says | Ars Technica | Jul 29 23:28 | |
| techrights-news | Meanwhile, on many issues the FSF now lacks the courage to simply say what's true and what's factual. | Jul 29 23:29 |
| techrights-news | Microsoft and Windows still dominate this list of "Known Exploited Vulnerabilit[ies]" https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/07/29/cisa-adds-one-known-exploited-vulnerability-catalog | Jul 29 23:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cisa.gov | CISA Adds One Known Exploited Vulnerability to Catalog | CISA | Jul 29 23:30 | |
| techrights-news | NSA Bruce is now a megaphone of Conde Nast. Any lie he reads in a site edited by Microsoft pedophiles (literally raping kids, arrested; colleagues knew) must be "facts"... | Jul 29 23:31 |
| techrights-news | Efficient Infrastructure Testing | Pen Test Partners ⚓ https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/efficient-infrastructure-testing/ ䷉ Source: pentestpartners | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/efficient-infrastructure-testing/ | Jul 29 23:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pentestpartners.com | Efficient Infrastructure Testing | Pen Test Partners | Jul 29 23:32 | |
| schestowitz[TR2] | <DaemonFC> schestowitz[TR2], I was reading about a game called XBill. | Jul 29 23:33 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | named after xbiff? | Jul 29 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | You have to kill a bunch of "Bills" that are trying to install Windows on computers. | Jul 29 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | Then if they manage to do it, you have to fix the computer by rescuing its operating system, and putting it back on the computer while other Bills are attacking other computers with Windows. | Jul 29 23:34 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | packaging it might give the wrong idea | Jul 29 23:35 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | that Red Hat competes with Microsoft :-) | Jul 29 23:35 |
| schestowitz[TR2] | or that Bill Gates is a criminal (he is) | Jul 29 23:35 |
| techrights-news | Canonical: "he 1.10 update brings some other nice features, particularly for Windows users. Windows Pro machines can now take advantage of generation 2 virtual machines through Hyper-V. These new VMs support a variety of boot features, including UEFI, secure boot, and more." Screw Canonical. https://ubuntu.com//blog/multipass-1-10-brings-new-instance-modification-capabilities | Jul 29 23:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Multipass 1.10 brings new instance modification capabilities | Ubuntu | Jul 29 23:36 | |
| techrights-news | Canonical prioritising Microsoft again? http://techrights.org/2021/07/09/canonical-ubuntu-microsoft/ | Jul 29 23:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Canonical Dooms the Ubuntu Brand to Appease Microsoft | Techrights | Jul 29 23:37 | |
| techrights-news | Microsoft is Basically Buying the Competition to Deny GNU/Linux Users a Choice http://techrights.org/2021/07/08/buying-the-competition/ | Jul 29 23:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is Basically Buying the Competition to Deny GNU/Linux Users a Choice | Techrights | Jul 29 23:38 | |
| techrights-news | Linux Around The World: Slovenia - LinuxLinks ⚓ https://www.linuxlinks.com/linux-slovenia/ ䷉ Source: LinuxLinks | GNU | Linux | FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.linuxlinks.com/linux-slovenia/ | Jul 29 23:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Around The World: Slovenia - LinuxLinks | Jul 29 23:40 | |
| techrights-news | "Linux and Python were my best friends in 2000." https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/lf/people-of-open-source-neville-spiteri-wevr/ Maybe 'LF' can learn from him then. James Zemlin and Sheela Microsoft DO NOT USE Linux. They reject Linux. http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/microsoft-breadwinner/ | Jul 29 23:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfoundation.org | People of Open Source: Neville Spiteri, Wevr - Linux Foundation | Jul 29 23:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Who Brings Home the Bacon (Revenue), Sheela or James (Jim)? | Techrights | Jul 29 23:43 | |
| techrights-news | "At work-work there are educational sessions for the software team. They last about 2 hours, generally filled with a mix of watching a talk, discussing how the talk applies to the codebase, and individual developers presenting something." https://euroquis.nl//blabla/2022/07/29/presentations.html | Jul 29 23:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-euroquis.nl | Mini-Talks Published | [bobulate] | Jul 29 23:44 | |
| techrights-news | Proprietary software again in Mozilla's blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/interviews/riot-games-aureylian-game-streaming-interview/ | Jul 29 23:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Riot Games’ head of player community, known as ‘Aureylian’ to game streaming fans, on her favorite corners of the internet | Jul 29 23:49 | |
| techrights-news | "While the last months have been pretty quiet in terms of new content for Firefox, we’re approaching a new major release for 2022, and that will include new features and dedicated onboarding." https://blog.mozilla.org/l10n/2022/07/29/l10n-report-july-2022-edition/ | Jul 29 23:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | L10n Report: July 2022 Edition | Mozilla L10N | Jul 29 23:50 | |
| techrights-news | "Recruitment and retention are top of mind" but ICBM/Red Hat are totally failing on that https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/7/focus-areas-leading-it-organizations | Jul 29 23:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | Future-proof your IT organization by focusing on these 5 priorities | The Enterprisers Project | Jul 29 23:51 | |
| techrights-news | "URGENT: our domain has been stolen and will stop working on 29 July 2022" https://suicide.fyi/ | Jul 29 23:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-suicide.fyi | Suicide & Debian FYI | Jul 29 23:53 | |
| techrights-news | The best Linux distros for gaming • Tux Machines ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167803 | Jul 29 23:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The best Linux distros for gaming | Tux Machines | Jul 29 23:55 | |
| techrights-news | "This post was flagged by the community and is temporarily hidden." https://forum.manjaro.org/t/manjaro-21-3-ruah-released/114220/58 | Jul 29 23:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.manjaro.org | Manjaro 21.3 Ruah released! - #58 by koshikas - Releases - Manjaro Linux Forum | Jul 29 23:56 | |
| techrights-news | Misleading headline! "...comes with Microsoft Windows preinstalled and supports Linux if preferred." So it's encumbered with WINDOWS malware. It's also a terrible deal, the Raspi 400 is twice as cheap. https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/windows-linux-keyboard-quad-core-computer-29-07-2022/ | Jul 29 23:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geeky-gadgets.com | Windows Linux Quad Core keyboard computer - Geeky Gadgets | Jul 29 23:58 | |
| techrights-news | Performance Tools Newsletter (H1 2002) – Mozilla Performance ⚓ https://blog.mozilla.org/performance/2022/07/29/performance-tools-newsletter-h1-2002/ ䷉ Source: Mozilla | WWW | FreeSW | Firefox | Internet | Jul 29 23:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Performance Tools Newsletter (H1 2002) – Mozilla Performance | Jul 29 23:59 | |
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