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schestowitzDaemonFC: metaphor for the countryJun 30 00:19
schestowitzwe had our own with a fire incidentJun 30 00:19
schestowitzalthough the cladding played a roleJun 30 00:19
MinceR29 232047 <~schestowitz> [21:51] <AdmFubar> schestowitz: as the old saying goes... to err is human, to really screw up requires a computer..Jun 30 00:33
MinceRit's so old i have it in a book :>Jun 30 00:33
chunkyslip nslideJun 30 00:34
schestowitzcrib notesJun 30 00:36
schestowitz 30 00:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Carpmaels & Ransford sued for missed appeal deadline - The IPKatJun 30 00:38
schestowitz"Jun 30 00:38
schestowitzThis is clearly annother incident of a client trying to profiteer from mistakes of an agent. It gets worse that the client has deep pockets and feels entitled to world domination. As a rule of thumb, I never take on big clients with high volume, as it comes with demands of low fee and an ego. Jun 30 00:38
DaemonFCSomeone was complaining about a $1,278 ER co-pay and saying they had to pay it because they didn't want to graduate college with dinged credit.Jun 30 00:38
schestowitzWe have to provide some social justice in our response, as there is only so much the law and insurnace companies can do to protect agents. We should decline all instruction from applicants who had sued an agent before. Jun 30 00:38
schestowitz"Jun 30 00:38
schestowitzLaywers acting bad... againJun 30 00:38
DaemonFCOf course, what NPR won't mention is that medical debt is scored less severely by FICO these days and landlords pretty much ignore medical debt completely.Jun 30 00:39
DaemonFCIf she lets it go to collections, she could possibly settle it for half as much, and I wouldn't even offer them that or discuss it with them unless they threatened to sue. It just doesn't make as big of a difference as people think it does.Jun 30 00:40
DaemonFCMost debt collectors have thresholds and if you're under that they just never bother to sue you. But they won't admit it.Jun 30 00:40
schestowitzI no longer take NPR seriously... since a decade agoJun 30 00:41
schestowitzit was defundedJun 30 00:41
schestowitzand then run for and by oligarchsJun 30 00:41
schestowitzI recently found out Microsoft too started bribing it, not just Bill Gates ('Foundation')Jun 30 00:41
schestowitzthis is corrupt mediaJun 30 00:41
bagira/fnour credit systems is bullshit anywayJun 30 00:41
schestowitzsee examples as noted in 30 00:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Journalism’s Gates keepers - Columbia Journalism ReviewJun 30 00:41
schestowitznot much independent journalism left nowJun 30 00:41
DaemonFCI wonder what traffic court is using to threaten people with now.Jun 30 00:42
DaemonFCIllinois removed their ability to suspend your license for not paying.Jun 30 00:42
schestowitzdo they do "plea" "bargain"?Jun 30 00:42
DaemonFCThe credit bureaus don't show civil judgments anymore.Jun 30 00:42
bagira/fnbest thing this generation can do is to completely disregard the existing credit scoring systemJun 30 00:42
DaemonFC<schestowitz> do they do "plea" "bargain"?Jun 30 00:42
DaemonFCYes, but I'm not going to.Jun 30 00:42
bagira/fnconsumer and providerJun 30 00:42
schestowitz"yes, I will lie about actually going faster (than I did) to get the lesser sentence..."Jun 30 00:42
DaemonFCI'm going to plead not guilty, tell the truth, and then either win or lose.Jun 30 00:43
DaemonFCThat guy who is faking a back injury is hoping I'll just pay the ticket or take a deal.Jun 30 00:43
DaemonFCIf you don't, what goes on in traffic court is useless to them in civil court.Jun 30 00:43
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DaemonFCEven if you're found guilty.Jun 30 00:43
bagira/fnnever plead guiltyJun 30 00:44
DaemonFCI didn't.Jun 30 00:44
DaemonFCI also refused to sign the ticket.Jun 30 00:44
DaemonFCIt says on the ticket it's not an admission of guilt to sign it.Jun 30 00:44
DaemonFCI asked the cop what the difference was. He told me no difference. He'd just write refused if I didn't sign it.Jun 30 00:45
schestowitzDaemonFC: can you check for typos in please?Jun 30 00:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Has Become Almost Extinct in Web Servers (and in Servers in General), But the Mainstream Media Rarely — If Ever — Talks About That | TechrightsJun 30 00:45
bagira/fnyeah it hasJun 30 00:45
bagira/fniim surprised that modern security standards haven't started excluding it as a "consumer operating system"Jun 30 00:46
DaemonFC"dominated this market"Jun 30 00:47
DaemonFCdominatesJun 30 00:47
DaemonFC"vapouware "Jun 30 00:48
DaemonFC"(e.g. Vista 11) we"Jun 30 00:48
DaemonFC(e.g. Vista 11), weJun 30 00:48
schestowitzI spell it the british wayJun 30 00:48
DaemonFCWithout the "r"?Jun 30 00:48
schestowitzahhh...Jun 30 00:49
schestowitzthanksJun 30 00:49
schestowitzcorrectx3Jun 30 00:49
DaemonFCBooks a Million at the Gurnee Mills mall has a lot of magazines that aren't complete trash.Jun 30 00:49
DaemonFCIncluding Linux Format.Jun 30 00:50
LibrarianThis one's a rather-funny contrast to the openness of the software-freedom communities. The harder you grip, the more you lose your grip: 30 00:50
schestowitzeyahJun 30 00:53
schestowitz*yeahJun 30 00:53
schestowitzwell, some thing gloss can compensateJun 30 00:53
schestowitzor costJun 30 00:53
schestowitzor a free DVDJun 30 00:53
schestowitzbut in a superficial society people are meant to judge news channels by special effectsJun 30 00:54
schestowitzeven if sponsored by some company the channel coversJun 30 00:55
schestowitzRe: favoritism tweetsJun 30 00:56
schestowitz> This is the Outreachy who tweeted about favoritism, are you able to seeJun 30 00:56
schestowitz> the tweet?Jun 30 00:56
schestowitz> Jun 30 00:56
schestowitz> 30 00:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sorry, you are not authorized to see this status.Jun 30 00:56
schestowitz> Jun 30 00:56
schestowitz> Renata was 32 when she applied for Outreachy so she didn't get theJun 30 00:56
schestowitz> benefits that they give to the younger women.Jun 30 00:56
schestowitz> Jun 30 00:56
schestowitz> This is diversityJun 30 00:56
schestowitzI guess "followers only"Jun 30 00:56
schestowitzdue to fear of it being seen by the "outside"Jun 30 00:56
schestowitz 30 00:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Outreachy as ‘Hush Money’ (Bribe) From Monopolies | TechrightsJun 30 00:56
activelowit isn't at least entirely clear to me what Microsoft is. Alot of what is sold by them isn't Microsoft: DOS, OpenVMS, Network-Stack, Skype and so forthJun 30 00:58
schestowitztrueJun 30 00:59
schestowitzbut not newJun 30 00:59
schestowitzUsually Microsoft doesn't develop products, we buy products. It's not a bad product, but bits and pieces are missing."Jun 30 00:59
schestowitz--Arno Edelmann, Microsoft's European business security product managerJun 30 00:59
schestowitz(missing that preceding quotation mark, sorry...Jun 30 00:59
schestowitz0Jun 30 00:59
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activelowseems more like it is some strategic operation to take full control. forgot to mention threadx again the most wide-spread spying system on earth: "america first"Jun 30 01:01
schestowitz"nato"Jun 30 01:05
schestowitz"we're all in this together"Jun 30 01:05
schestowitz"help us help you..."Jun 30 01:05
schestowitzJapan joined Five-EYES informallyJun 30 01:06
schestowitzso it's 6+ eyes nowJun 30 01:06
techrights-newsAs if it matters, your #Skylake #Chromebook can finally use Linux 30 01:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Too little, too late: Linux app support is finally coming to Skylake Chromebooks | Tux MachinesJun 30 01:06
activelowprobably took a while to implement tapping and spying on that thingJun 30 01:07
techrights-news#KaOS 2021.06 • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #KDEJun 30 01:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | KaOS 2021.06 | Tux MachinesJun 30 01:11
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 30 01:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 30 01:11
techrights-news#PopOS Linux 21.04 Released with the COSMIC Desktop, Based on Ubuntu 21.04 • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 30 01:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pop!_OS Linux 21.04 Released with the COSMIC Desktop, Based on Ubuntu 21.04 | Tux MachinesJun 30 01:11
techrights-news#Security Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 30 01:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 30 01:11
techrights-news#Kernel : Linux 5.14. #Radeon Software for Linux 21.20, and Sapphire Rapids • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #Hrdware #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 30 01:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kernel: Linux 5.14. Radeon Software for Linux 21.20, and Sapphire Rapids | Tux MachinesJun 30 01:12
techrights-news#Ubuntu Getting ‘Major Rebrand’, is this the New Logo? • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 30 01:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ubuntu Getting ‘Major Rebrand’, is this the New Logo? | Tux MachinesJun 30 01:12
techrights-news"The system runs #Linux #Ubuntu 20.04." #gnu #hardware (back doors in this chipset though, they need to choose better)Jun 30 01:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ )Jun 30 01:13
techrights-newsLinks 29/6/2021: Q4OS 3.15, New Absolute64, EndeavourOS Update, and KaOS 2021.06 • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 30 01:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Links 29/6/2021: Q4OS 3.15, New Absolute64, EndeavourOS Update, and KaOS 2021.06 | TechrightsJun 30 01:13
techrights-news#FreeSoftware Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #freeswJun 30 01:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Free Software Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 30 01:14
techrights-newsToday’s 🅣🅤🅧 🅜🅐🅒🅗🅘🅝🅔🅢 Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 30 01:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 30 01:14
techrights-newsOver the next few days if not weeks #techrights will expand futher in #geminiSpace seeing that #geminiProtocol has many users now. 173,856 page requests so far this month and it grows as the months go by. It definitely caught on. #www still vastly bigger. But stagnating somewhat.Jun 30 01:17
techrights-news#Microsoft Has Become Almost Extinct in #WebServers (and in #Servers in General), But the #MainstreamMedia Rarely -- If Ever -- Talks About That 30 01:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Has Become Almost Extinct in Web Servers (and in Servers in General), But the Mainstream Media Rarely — If Ever — Talks About That | TechrightsJun 30 01:18
techrights-news#patent extremist #PaulMorinville calls "fallacies" what it actually true about #patents ("A Recent Senate IP Subcommittee Hearing Demonstrates the Danger of Patent Fallacies"). No, those are not fallacies; #watchtroll is egging on zealots and trolls. #misinformation online. 30 01:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Watchtroll - TechrightsJun 30 01:19
techrights-news#EliMazour in #watchtroll and the glorification of #microsoft #patentTrolls in "Applying Lessons from #IntellectualVentures to Helping Innovative Doctors" (link omitted) 30 01:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Intellectual Ventures - TechrightsJun 30 01:20
techrights-newsOld: #Alphabet Agency 'Gulag' bribes people in order to suck up to #google and not tarnish the image of the #www #monopoly 30 01:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Outreachy as ‘Hush Money’ (Bribe) From Monopolies | TechrightsJun 30 01:22
techrights-news#EPO #patents on #cancer again This won't help tackle cancer; see 30 01:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Noxopharm Ltd secures key European patent allowance for Veyonda® anti-cancer drug candidateJun 30 01:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Insensitivity at the EPO’s Management – Part II: Patent Office as a Cancer | TechrightsJun 30 01:23
DaemonFCI created a standard user account for the Lenovo Technician with a stupid password.Jun 30 01:24
DaemonFCThat way I don't have to wipe the drive to let them log in and see if the repair worked.Jun 30 01:24
techrights-news"U.S. #Patent 9,923,995 is generally directed to sharing information for detecting an idle network connection between two nodes" = #swpats = #fakepatents 30 01:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Jenam Tech settles with Unified — Unified PatentsJun 30 01:25
schestowitzDaemonFC: is it just hardware repair?Jun 30 01:25
schestowitzand, if so, why give them any access at all?Jun 30 01:25
schestowitzself-repair usually worked for me, like buying the missing the components online if you don't need soldering, just screwing aroundJun 30 01:26
schestowitzwarranty is usually lapsed by the time things actually start breaking down anywayJun 30 01:27
techrights-news"So I had another major #email crash with my #syncmaildir setup. This time I was at least able to confirm the issue, and I still haven't lost mail thanks to backups and sheer luck (again)." 30 01:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Another syncmaildir crash - anarcatJun 30 01:27
techrights-newsGood performance from England #germany #england #euro2020 #soccer (we're very upset at the density of that crowd... as if #football is more important than containing the virus: )Jun 30 01:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Highlights: Ecstatic England see off Germany at Wembley | UEFA Euro 2020 - YouTubeJun 30 01:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ » Blog Archive » The Tories Are Lying and You Should Consider Going Into Lock-down Again (Irrespective of What the Government Says)Jun 30 01:29
techrights-newsCommunications of the Boards of Appeal of the EPO Still Controlled by the Office, Which Also Censors Public Input Submissions (Observations) #epo #europe #bananaRepublic #germany #corrupionJun 30 01:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Communications of the Boards of Appeal of the EPO Still Controlled by the Office, Which Also Censors Public Input Submissions (Observations) | TechrightsJun 30 01:30
DaemonFC<schestowitz> warranty is usually lapsed by the time things actually start breaking down anywayJun 30 01:31
DaemonFCThe USB-C port is glitching out.Jun 30 01:31
DaemonFCExternal storage drops off with event 51 or 11, indicating problem with disk controller or during a paging operation.Jun 30 01:31
DaemonFCThen the drive disappears, Windows says it's not there, and then remounts it.Jun 30 01:31
DaemonFCI thought it was just the USB stick, but Event 11 happens with the hard disk.Jun 30 01:32
techrights-newsTop 10 #freesw Process Automation solutions for enterprise many need to #deleteGithubJun 30 01:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Top 10 open-source free Process Automation solutions for enterpriseJun 30 01:36
techrights-news#FullCircleWeekly News #216 #gnu #linuxJun 30 01:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Full Circle Weekly News #216 | Full Circle MagazineJun 30 01:36
schestowitzDaemonFC: windows?Jun 30 01:36
schestowitzhow old is this machine?Jun 30 01:37
DaemonFCYeah.Jun 30 01:37
DaemonFCFairly new.Jun 30 01:37
DaemonFCAbout 6 months.Jun 30 01:37
techrights-news#Linux Formerly Affected By An #AMD #KVM Guest-To-Host Breakout Code Vulnerability 30 01:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Formerly Affected By An AMD KVM Guest-To-Host Breakout Code Vulnerability - PhoronixJun 30 01:37
schestowitzrianne uses a refurb lenovo laptoJun 30 01:37
schestowitzand the only issue is occasional heating in summerJun 30 01:37
schestowitzso it beeps a bit, then it settles OK, maybe even throttles down the cpuJun 30 01:37
schestowitz(I did not check)Jun 30 01:38
techrights-news#Laptop Improvements With #Linux 5.14 Benefit Lenovo, Dell, Microsoft Surface Devices 30 01:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Laptop Improvements With Linux 5.14 Benefit Lenovo, Dell, Microsoft Surface Devices - PhoronixJun 30 01:38
DaemonFCYeah, irony is that it's the older one I'll be using until I get this one back.Jun 30 01:38
DaemonFCIt seems to run Fedora 34 okay.Jun 30 01:38
schestowitzsome time next month, as things are calming down, I will write again about the state of IRCJun 30 01:38
DaemonFCI compressed the drive with zstd and it has enough space for both me and Mandy to have an account, even with the SSD.Jun 30 01:39
schestowitzhow big a storage?Jun 30 01:39
schestowitzcompression slows things down, you might be better off with external magnetic diskJun 30 01:39
schestowitzfor files that are not immediately neeedJun 30 01:40
DaemonFC512 GB.Jun 30 01:40
techrights-newsWell, #security projects need to #deletegithub because it's #ProprietarySoftware and #microsoft is in #nsa PRISM and generally strives to back-door everything 30 01:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Regula: Open source policy engine for IaC security - Help Net SecurityJun 30 01:40
DaemonFCzstd doesn't slow it down that much, if any.Jun 30 01:40
DaemonFCI haven't noticed a difference.Jun 30 01:40
schestowitzthat's twice what I haveJun 30 01:40
schestowitzI offload large video files to 3 external disksJun 30 01:40
DaemonFCI use a WD EasyStore external hard disk to back things up.Jun 30 01:41
activelowthe microsft azure decline reminds me of the last microsoft minion i was involved with, a company who programmed the website for (german aerospace website)Jun 30 01:41
activelowsome weird pp parternship of local bureaucrats, city of munich, etc.Jun 30 01:42
schestowitz 30 01:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | SAP and Microsoft Will End Sales Focus in Embrace Partnership in JuneJun 30 01:42
schestowitzSAPJun 30 01:42
schestowitz 30 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | SAP and Microsoft Will End Sales Focus in Embrace Partnership in JuneJun 30 01:43
schestowitz 30 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Google Cloud Builds SAP Teams to Win Customers Like WhirlpoolJun 30 01:43
schestowitzMicrosoft: 99% hot airJun 30 01:43
schestowitz1% tehc [sic]Jun 30 01:43
activelowit was them who threatened me with incarceration, murderous corrupt cartelJun 30 01:44
schestowitz"Microsoft and SAP are quietly pulling the plug on a key piece of their flagship cloud partnership"Jun 30 01:44
schestowitzso SAP realise it's crapJun 30 01:44
schestowitzthey work with IBM and SUSEJun 30 01:44
activelowstrangely in parallel i received the "friendly" offer to be hired by IBM shortly after, in munichJun 30 01:44
schestowitzIBM is a bad place to be right nowJun 30 01:45
schestowitzthey get you to train people who replace youJun 30 01:45
schestowitzand salaries are not goodJun 30 01:45
schestowitzon an international scaleJun 30 01:45
schestowitzwhile they overwork peopleJun 30 01:45
schestowitzIBM will dieJun 30 01:45
schestowitzafter 100+ yearsJun 30 01:45
schestowitzMore people nowadays find out, belatedly, about 30 01:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Dehomag - WikipediaJun 30 01:45
schestowitzwhich harms their imageJun 30 01:45
schestowitzso IBM now pretends to be "woke"Jun 30 01:46
DaemonFCI refuse to give Lenovo any other access to my system than Standard User.Jun 30 01:46
schestowitzsmokescreen tacticsJun 30 01:46
activelowthere is various frontlines, such as European "competition" too, some outlet of theirs placed in either Romania or some place elseJun 30 01:46
DaemonFCIt keeps my files off limits.Jun 30 01:46
DaemonFCMost people seem to just use "reset this PC".Jun 30 01:46
DaemonFCIt would be invconvenient to start over.Jun 30 01:46
schestowitzDaemonFC: still a bad strategyJun 30 01:46
schestowitzWindows has back doors Jun 30 01:46
DaemonFCMy savegame files and stuff are here.Jun 30 01:46
schestowitzfor 'law' enforcementJun 30 01:46
DaemonFCYes, when I sent my HP laptop in for malfunctioning touchpad, they said "Unknown operating system. Can't verify repair.". (Linux. The touchpad worked fine.)Jun 30 01:47
techrights-newsImpact of #microsoft #bribery and #corruption see 30 01:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why are governments and administrations NOT moving to Linux? - YouTubeJun 30 01:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law — Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and “Slush Funds” | TechrightsJun 30 01:47
techrights-news"Hello and welcome to the 418th installment of Linux in the Ham Shack. In this episode, we talk to part of the team from Amateur Radio Digital Communications, a group that emerged from the AMPRNet." 30 01:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LHS Episode #418: ARDC Deep Dive | Linux in the Ham ShackJun 30 01:48
activelowin the end, i'll not sign any contract ever again, it is completely arbitrary if it is either DT, or IBM or MicrosoftJun 30 01:48
activelowbehind the scenes it is the same corrupt entities anywayJun 30 01:48
techrights-newsMicrosoft's Halo dev site breached using dependency hijacking #security isn't the goal at #microsoft 30 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft's Halo dev site breached using dependency hijackingJun 30 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft and the NSA - TechrightsJun 30 01:49
schestowitzactivelow: same and overlapping interestsJun 30 01:49
schestowitzDaemonFC: "Unknown operating system" is not acceptableJun 30 01:50
schestowitzit is the most widely used OSJun 30 01:50
schestowitzthey know itJun 30 01:50
schestowitzthey look for excuses to appease their bosses with their back room dealJun 30 01:50
schestowitzprotecting a corrupt monopolistJun 30 01:50
techrights-news"To help you get started, this article presents you with the 5 things to do right after installing #openSUSE Tumbleweed." #suse #gnu #linuxJun 30 01:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-5 things to do after installing openSUSE Tumbleweed - PragmaticLinuxJun 30 01:50
schestowitzI did a scandal over it: 30 01:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Huge Computer Retail Chain in the UK Denies Warranty If Users Install Linux [Update]Jun 30 01:51
schestowitzlargest chain of stores hereJun 30 01:51
schestowitzthen they pretended it was all just a mistake and got cocky about itJun 30 01:51
activelowanother aspect is commercial interests, to funnel cash into soccer, UEFA etc.Jun 30 01:52
activelowlittle surprising ms and affiliates are operating from switzerland, paytv, DMCA and all thisJun 30 01:53
techrights-newsRMS: "A French court has prohibited hunting songbirds by putting glue on branches. This will help protect endangered species. I find it hard to understand how anyone can want to kill a songbird rather than listen to its singing." 30 01:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 2021: March - June Political Notes - Richard StallmanJun 30 01:54
techrights-newsJust like in so-called ‘third-world countries’, the top court of the #EPO has only the false promise of judicial independence and they’ve made it very obvious and easy for everybody to see • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #Europe #corruption #germany | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 30 01:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Communications of the Boards of Appeal of the EPO Still Controlled by the Office, Which Also Censors Public Input Submissions (Observations) | TechrightsJun 30 01:55
techrights-newsMainstream/mass/corporate media does not talk about it, but #Microsoft is losing one of the most lucrative (and potentially profitable) markets while defrauding its shareholders • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 30 01:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Has Become Almost Extinct in Web Servers (and in Servers in General), But the Mainstream Media Rarely — If Ever — Talks About That | TechrightsJun 30 01:56
activelowideally public TV stations simply encrypted their shit (BBC, ARD/ZDF), and no more tax payers money is funneled into thisJun 30 01:56
activelowpublic broadcasting alone is 8billions of cash funneled into an apparatues, which wouldn't at least educate their engineers themselves anymore (Deutsche Telekom closed their last remaining university)Jun 30 01:57
schestowitzGerman published sent me legal threatsJun 30 01:58
schestowitziirc, I published some, tooJun 30 01:58
schestowitzand can find thatJun 30 01:58
*activelow is curiousJun 30 01:59
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schestowitzit's about EPO corruption Jun 30 02:02
schestowitzand a programme they did about itJun 30 02:02
schestowitz 30 02:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | German Broadcaster on European Patent Office (EPO) Preferential Treatment for Microsoft and Others | TechrightsJun 30 02:02
schestowitzactivelow: 30 02:03
schestowitz"illegal with respect to civil and criminal law"Jun 30 02:03
schestowitzto spread the wordJun 30 02:03
schestowitzabout illegal behaviour :-)Jun 30 02:04
techrights-newsThreats from German media 30 02:04
activelowremarkable, BR TV stations is *publicly* funded with tax payers' cash, productions are probably *pubic domain* anywayJun 30 02:10
schestowitzand the money is used to attack sites which expose crimes in GermanyJun 30 02:15
schestowitzyour tax money at work...Jun 30 02:16
schestowitzI guess that docu is offline nowJun 30 02:16
schestowitzso nobody can see what the tax payer paid for anymoreJun 30 02:16
schestowitz 30 02:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPOLeaks on Misleading the Bundestag — Part 20: Taking Stock | TechrightsJun 30 02:16
schestowitzfacts buriedJun 30 02:16
techrights-newsA Month of #GeminiProtocol in Techrights • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 30 02:24
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techrights-news"the way computers work has not changed fundamentally" 30 02:39
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techrights-newsToday in #Techrights • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ 30 02:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJun 30 02:39
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MinceR30 024750 < DaemonFC> Yes, when I sent my HP laptop in for malfunctioning touchpad, they said "Unknown operating system. Can't verify repair.". (Linux. The touchpad worked fine.)Jun 30 02:48
MinceRlolJun 30 02:48
MinceRi guess liveusb is too difficult for hp to useJun 30 02:48
MinceRsimilarly to how it's too difficult to get functioning boot firmwareJun 30 02:49
hgcEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeJun 30 02:56
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cybrNaut/fnDebian Bullseye breaks connections to onion sites that use SSL2 or SSL3Jun 30 03:06
cybrNaut/fnsomeone got it in their head that someone might shoot themselves in the foot and use SSL2 or SSL3 over the clearnet, so they took an action to "protect" us from ourselves not realising the consequences to Tor usersJun 30 03:06
techrights-ipfs-bot☞ Gemini requests since start of month:  174049 total • Total pages: 35984 •   Active: active (running) since Tue 2021-06-08 16:18:39 BST; 3 weeks 0 days agoJun 30 03:06
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cybrNaut/fni fucking hate that nannying shit, usually imposed my some pretentious security motherfucker who thinks they're all knowing about all the ways a tool can be usedJun 30 03:06
techrights-ipfs-botQmYfnwQyndVxZ3RBdb3h4no9or9LCWC23rmnAoVKtd61oJJun 30 03:08
XRevan86cybrNaut: This is so bizarre I don't know what to think.Jun 30 03:10
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XRevan86cybrNaut: I don't think this is a valid complaint.Jun 30 03:12
XRevan86No one should be using snakeoil encryption redundant or not. It's just too much of a headache to track it all.Jun 30 03:13
techrights-newsBritain Lost in #Wembley #uk #england #euro2020 #covid19Jun 30 03:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ » Blog Archive » Britain Lost in WembleyJun 30 03:13
cybrNaut/fnthere is no validity to removing ssl2 and ssl3 on an onion connectionJun 30 03:13
cybrNaut/fnXRevan86 onion circuits are inherently encrypted e2ee.  SSL is not for cryptoJun 30 03:13
XRevan86cybrNaut: Do ye think OpenSSL knows if TLS is transported through an already encrypted connection?Jun 30 03:13
cybrNaut/fnno, which is exactly why it was a stupid move to remove itJun 30 03:14
XRevan86So everyone should be connecting to SSLv2 and SSLv3 like it's fine?Jun 30 03:14
cybrNaut/fnif openssl knew, then it could be selective in its denial.  But it doesn'tJun 30 03:14
cybrNaut/fnover onion, sureJun 30 03:15
cybrNaut/fnthere's nothing wrong with ssl2 over onionJun 30 03:15
XRevan86cybrNaut: Change your  /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf thenJun 30 03:15
cybrNaut/fnit's not a config change.  It has to be rebuiltJun 30 03:15
XRevan86cybrNaut: Oh, it was compiled out, I see.Jun 30 03:16
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schestowitzprivacyIsACrime(r)Jun 30 03:17
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XRevan86schestowitz: This is a complaint about no support for broken encryption in circumstances when it's useless and so harmless.Jun 30 03:18
techrights-newsUpdated list of videos in #techrights (past 7 days) 30 03:19
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cybrNaut/fnno, you can't say SSL2/3 is "useless".  SSL2/3 has multiple purposes.  The crypto purpose is useless, the verification purpose is usefulJun 30 03:20
XRevan86cybrNaut: Can't ye do it with TLSv1.2?Jun 30 03:20
cybrNaut/fnnot if I don't control the serverJun 30 03:20
cybrNaut/fn(which is the case here)Jun 30 03:20
techrights-newsPop!_OS 21.04 Released with New ‘Cosmic’ Desktop 30 03:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pop!_OS Linux 21.04 Released with the COSMIC Desktop, Based on Ubuntu 21.04 | Tux MachinesJun 30 03:21
cybrNaut/fnwould be nice if the server would advance, but it's not necessary.  Unless of course some cocky developer decides they can "protect" people from themselvesJun 30 03:21
XRevan86cybrNaut: Can't those who control the server… wake up?Jun 30 03:21
XRevan86and update OpenSSLJun 30 03:22
cybrNaut/fnupgrades are not always trivialJun 30 03:22
cybrNaut/fni've just been forced into an otherwise needless migration because tor project decided to ditch onion v2 prematurelyJun 30 03:22
*schestowitz remembers a few months ago when freenode updated sslJun 30 03:22
schestowitzand then had to reboot ALL the freenode servers, one at a timeJun 30 03:23
schestowitzmassive number of splits for a very long timeJun 30 03:23
cybrNaut/fnfor simple users, migration is simple.  I have 10+ apps on life support that take a week to reinstall because code hacking requiredJun 30 03:23
XRevan86Oh, I remember something like that, I think there was a nasty vulnerabilityJun 30 03:23
XRevan86so they've decided to update everything just in caseJun 30 03:23
XRevan86schestowitz: It didn't leave that much of an impact in my brain, was it significant?Jun 30 03:24
cybrNaut/fnit was not a nasty vuln, it was someone getting paranoid about key size, and took it upon themselves to impose something excessive on everyone without knowing the various circumstancesJun 30 03:25
techrights-newsEduExo Pro is an Arduino-controlled robotic #exoskeleton kit that’s now on Kickstarter | Arduino Blog ⚓ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #HackingJun 30 03:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EduExo Pro is an Arduino-controlled robotic exoskeleton kit that's now on Kickstarter | Arduino BlogJun 30 03:25
techrights-newsKai A. Hiller: Search Bar of Doom • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 30 03:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kai A. Hiller: Search Bar of Doom | Tux MachinesJun 30 03:25
cybrNaut/fnsome people don't even create onion servers to be anonymous.  Sometimes it's just to put up a server without their ISP getting in the wayJun 30 03:25
cybrNaut/fnComcast for example has (or had) a "no servers" policy in the ToS of their most basic residential servicesJun 30 03:26
XRevan86cybrNaut: What… IIRC, it was a NULL dereference.Jun 30 03:26
XRevan86 this thing, right?Jun 30 03:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | CVE-2021-3449Jun 30 03:27
cybrNaut/fnthat's server-side, and only affects TLSv1.2 (which is still supported in Bullseye)Jun 30 03:29
XRevan86cybrNaut: That's to schestowitz because he mentioned freenode's ( Libera's? %) ) server reboot some months ago.Jun 30 03:30
cybrNaut/fnahJun 30 03:30
techrights-newsThis is the same corrupt #RickJelliffe who took #microsoft #bribes to manipulate #wikipedia for them #osi = #corruption 30 03:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Open standard but not open access: Schematron author complains about ISO paywall • The RegisterJun 30 03:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ISO - TechrightsJun 30 03:31
XRevan86Congrats to Libera on reaching 45K online users.Jun 30 03:32
schestowitzjust same old staff regaining or retaining old usersJun 30 03:32
schestowitzmaybe 70% of themJun 30 03:32
XRevan86regaining, yesJun 30 03:32
schestowitznot much of a thingJun 30 03:33
schestowitzthey split the networkJun 30 03:33
schestowitzat the moment there are 30 users in LC techrightsJun 30 03:33
schestowitzdead channel, hardly a thing since SundayJun 30 03:33
schestowitz52 users in freenode and more activity thereJun 30 03:33
schestowitz42 hereJun 30 03:33
XRevan8622.7K users on freenode. Huh.Jun 30 03:33
XRevan86schestowitz: That's very-very easy to flip around.Jun 30 03:34
schestowitzeither way, we're better off as that fiasco forced us to belatedly self-hostJun 30 03:34
XRevan86Which just a few new lines to the bridge config.Jun 30 03:34
schestowitzsomething we only SERIOUSLY started to consider last year (prior years we thought about that in more theoretical terms)Jun 30 03:35
XRevan86schestowitz: I don't know why ye expect any real activity in #techrights at Libera, it's not used by you.Jun 30 03:36
XRevan86schestowitz: The channels that can be used as a more honest metric are channels like ##sqlite or ##slackwareJun 30 03:37
techrights-newsTaking mass #surveillance to the next level, with #patent #monopolies too (as only #facebook wants to be able to do this to you) 30 03:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Facebook just filed a patent for a baseball cap with a built-in AR headset and it looks terribly cringe | Yanko DesignJun 30 03:37
XRevan86because they're not official on any networkJun 30 03:37
XRevan86It's actually not a good sign that people come to comment on things to #techrights at freenode, it means that they're reluctant to come to this server for a passing comment.Jun 30 03:39
XRevan86but a lot of people won't come to freenode either, so… some situationJun 30 03:39
techrights-news#corporateMedia pushing this falsehood that software projects, irrespective of how many people are involved in them, cannot possibly succeed unless they meet some diversity quotas. And not too surprisingly that media is owned by racist and bigoted magnates, whose guilt drives this malicious slant. Like Vichy Syndrome.Jun 30 03:40
techrights-newsDiversity as a 'box-ticking' exercise won't tackle equality. The problems run deeper than this.Jun 30 03:41
leahschestowitz: i'm working on the savegnu site. i've been clearing up other things from my tasks firstJun 30 03:44
techrights-news...The situation has become so profoundly bad that even if you're from a poor country and female and gay and whatever and you're over 30 (age) the corporations which claim to (lie about trying to) promote diversity will not choose you 30 03:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sorry, you are not authorized to see this status.Jun 30 03:44
leahit shouldn't be too long now before it goes live. my initial problem was that i didn't know what the scope would be, or what i would want it to say, what the overall agenda was, just that the current splintering within the gnu project are bad and need to be addressed. i came up with a solutionJun 30 03:45
leahi assume you already know what i'm going to put on the site, and what my plans areJun 30 03:45
leahwatch this spaceJun 30 03:45
leahmy plan needs to work. either with me leading it, or someone else. i think it's a brilliant planJun 30 03:46
techrights-newsCorporations do not promote diversity. Not of opinion or of anything else. They just promote their public image.Jun 30 03:46
techrights-newsThe Web may be beyond redemption at this point; created 3 decades ago in Switzerland (by a Brit), nowadays it’s dominated by Pentagon-connected American corporations • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #www #internet #surveillance | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 30 03:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Meme] Nobody Will Miss a Web Dominated by Monopolies That Spy on Everybody | TechrightsJun 30 03:46
techrights-newsThe #WorldWideWeb (or “the Web”) is still dominating or commanding the lion’s share of traffic, but we’re trying to reduce our dependence on it; we encourage other sites to do the same • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 30 03:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A Month of Gemini in Techrights | TechrightsJun 30 03:47
techrights-newsThe only winner in #wembley last night was #coronavirus #uk #covid19 #superspreaderJun 30 03:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ » Blog Archive » Britain Lost in WembleyJun 30 03:48
techrights-news#ChampionsLeague a year before #covid19 breakout 30 03:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Sixth Wedding AnniversaryJun 30 03:49
techrights-news#pclinuxos ... #seamonkey browser updated to 2.53.8 30 03:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PCLinuxOS: Latest Package Updates, Magazine, and Screenshots | Tux MachinesJun 30 03:50
techrights-newsHe used to hang out in the #techrights #irc channels in the past 30 03:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mysterious Bitcoin Maximalist Mircea Popescu Allegedly Found Dead – Bitcoin NewsJun 30 03:51
techrights-news#microsoft #propaganda sites like #VisualStudioMagazine are pushing more #github #ProprietarySoftware under the false pretenses that this is "open". All this openwashing is an ATTACK on our movement. Worse than just correctly advertised malware.Jun 30 03:53
techrights-news"The term "red hat" has such a stench hanging over it now." #ibm #redhat #maga #trump #goldenDawnaldJun 30 03:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bit of Boston history preserved: Pair plan to buy and re-open the Red Hat | Universal HubJun 30 03:56
techrights-news#Yakuake : The KDE Terminal Emulator That You Probably Aren’t Using • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 30 03:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Yakuake: The KDE Terminal Emulator That You Probably Aren’t Using | Tux MachinesJun 30 03:56
techrights-news#redhat 30 03:57
techrights-news#theregister is doing 'ads' for #ProprietarySoftware of #microsoft #github ... to remind us what The Register stands for 30 03:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Fall of The Register | TechrightsJun 30 03:59
techrights-newsThe criminals from #microsoft are so bad that even #google won't get along with them? maybe motivated also by 30 04:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?Jun 30 04:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | TechrightsJun 30 04:00
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techrights-news#microsoft still bombarding ON with its vapourware, now with fictional news like "dates" (after fake 'leaks' and 'builds')... anything to distract from actual news and Microsoft blunders, e.g. 30 04:02
techrights-newsMore #espionage wars... and false dichotomies 30 04:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | America world’s sole cyber superpower, ten years ahead of China, says Brit think tank • The RegisterJun 30 04:02
techrights-news#microsoft bailouts: we know at whose expense: 30 04:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | TechrightsJun 30 04:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | United States Government Debt | 1942-2021 Data | 2022-2023 Forecast | HistoricalJun 30 04:03
techrights-news#Techrights Bulletin for Tuesday, June 29, 2021 full archive: #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintextJun 30 04:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bulletin ArchivesJun 30 04:06
techrights-news#microsoftTim on #Kubernetes 30 04:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kubernetes a black hole of unpredictable spend, according to new report • The RegisterJun 30 04:06
techrights-news#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now available as plain text @ #dweb #sharingJun 30 04:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Techrights Full IPFS IndexJun 30 04:06
techrights-newsBack doors 'R' US see 30 04:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft approved a Windows driver booby-trapped with rootkit malware • The RegisterJun 30 04:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft and the NSA - TechrightsJun 30 04:07
techrights-newsStart by deleting #microsoft and #windows see 30 04:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | UK Cabinet Office's spending on cybersecurity training rises by 500% in a year • The RegisterJun 30 04:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | TechrightsJun 30 04:08
techrights-newsThe company of corrupt #TheirryBreton see 30 04:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | When free and open source actually means £6k-£8k per package: Atos's £136m contract with NHS England • The RegisterJun 30 04:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | European Commission’s Thierry Breton Covers Up EPO Corruption For His Friend Benoît Battistelli | TechrightsJun 30 04:09
techrights-news"I was 25 years old making $150,000 a year, but something was missing. My father thought I was crazy for leaving a great paycheck like that behind, but helping people understand technology and media was my passion." 30 04:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kim's success secrets: 5 leadership lessons I've learnedJun 30 04:13
techrights-newsTop 7 free photo editors in 2021 #gnu #gimp @ at of this listJun 30 04:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Top 7 free photo editors in 2021 | TechNaveJun 30 04:14
techrights-newsBoos at #Hackaday for helping #microsoft #vapourware tactics. #vista11 #spamJun 30 04:15
techrights-news" #IBM is also moving to more PIP’s with not- realistic 30 day time frames to achieve so the severance is NOT being paid…. Be careful." 30 04:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PIP’s instead of Layoffs - post regarding IBM layoffsJun 30 04:17
techrights-news#Microsoft #Windows TCO: #NLTimes #ProprietarySoftware ☞ #Ransomware a threat to national security, says Deutch counterterrorism office 30 04:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ransomware a threat to national security, says Dutch counterterrorism office | NL TimesJun 30 04:22
techrights-news● NEWS ● #WladimirPalant #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ How #Amazon Assistant lets Amazon track your every move on the web 30 04:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How Amazon Assistant lets Amazon track your every move on the web | Almost SecureJun 30 04:23
techrights-news● NEWS ● #TheVerge #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ A #Twitter bug temporarily removed the option to switch to the chronological feed on the web 30 04:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A Twitter bug temporarily removed the option to switch to the chronological feed on the web - The VergeJun 30 04:23
techrights-newsDid anybody actually miss these? 30 04:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Tom York on Business: Trade Shows Return to Convention Center in August After COVID Hiatus - Times of San DiegoJun 30 04:26
techrights-news#zdnet was a #propaganda and #marketing site for a while now. And now a total SPAM site. Under "Best Python course 2021: Top online coding classes" it does pure sales (referral spam). #boycottZDNet 30 04:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ZDNet - TechrightsJun 30 04:29
techrights-news"Big Tech" is a #microsoft ploy, designed to distract from Microsoft #crimes 30 04:30
techrights-news"commemorate America's commitment to freedom of the press and those who died advancing it" 30 04:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Fallen Journalists Memorial Foundation launches fundraising campaign with $6 Million in new supportJun 30 04:31
techrights-newsWhen your populace lacks critical skills 30 04:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Avast Threat Labs finds U.S. m - GuruFocus.comJun 30 04:32
techrights-news"one-hour episodes featuring topics such as production use cases around open source projects like #OpenStack , #Kubernetes and Magma; industry leader conversations" 30 04:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Open Infrastructure Foundation Unveils OpenInfra Live Virtual Event Schedule | News | wfmz.comJun 30 04:34
techrights-news#Nvidia RTX 3080 #Ethereum Hashrate and Mining Overclock settings on #HiveOS Linux 30 04:35
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techrights-news#System76 Releases #PopOS 21.04 With New COSMIC Desktop 30 04:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pop!_OS Linux 21.04 Released with the COSMIC Desktop, Based on Ubuntu 21.04 | Tux MachinesJun 30 04:39
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 30 04:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 30 04:43
techrights-newsSites such as #Gulag #YouTube #Facebook and #Twitter should quit using terms like "community standards" because corporations are NOT communities and they should stop pretending that they are. Some #taxevasion scams call themselves "Charities" 30 04:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gates Foundation Critique - TechrightsJun 30 04:53
techrights-news#Microsoft #Windows TCO: ● #CopenhagenPost #Finance ☞ [Cr]ackers have had access to Danish national bank for seven months see 30 05:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Hackers have had access to Danish national bank for seven months - The PostJun 30 05:00
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techrights-news● NEWS ● #NewZealand #Misinformation #Disinformation #nz ☞ Half the country sucked in by at least one bit of misinformation – chief censor "The [Internet] played a key role in spreading false facts, the survey found."Jun 30 05:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Half the country sucked in by at least one bit of misinformation – chief censor | The SpinoffJun 30 05:03
techrights-news● NEWS ● #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux ☞ Celebrating the community: Zaahra and Eesa 30 05:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Celebrating the community: Zaahra and Eesa - Raspberry PiJun 30 05:04
techrights-news● NEWS ● #MichaelGeist #canada #internet ☞ The #CRTC “Will Be Picking Winners and Losers”: A Report on Day Two of the Senate Bill C-10 Debate 30 05:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The CRTC "Will Be Picking Winners and Losers": A Report on Day Two of the Senate Bill C-10 Debate - Michael GeistJun 30 05:04
techrights-news● NEWS ● #TheGrayZone #censorship #slapp ☞ Judge tosses frivolous lawsuit by heiress #SulomeAnderson seeking to destroy The Grayzone 30 05:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Judge tosses frivolous lawsuit by heiress Sulome Anderson seeking to destroy The GrayzoneJun 30 05:04
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techrights-newsYou can never embark upon #security -enhancing escapades without first removing all #microsoft and #windows from the infra (rip it all apart) 30 05:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | TechrightsJun 30 05:15
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techrights-news#Security Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 30 05:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 30 05:17
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schestowitz[03:44] <leah> schestowitz: i'm working on the savegnu site. i've been clearing up other things from my tasks firstJun 30 05:44
schestowitzis that a reserved name already?Jun 30 05:44
schestowitzbecause it's a loaded statement, implies gnu is dead or dyingJun 30 05:46
schestowitzwhich I'd disputeJun 30 05:46
schestowitzbetter to say, advanceGNUJun 30 05:46
schestowitzor something more positive without the hypothesisJun 30 05:46
leahi own savegnu.orgJun 30 05:46
leahthere's no site yet, howeverJun 30 05:46
leahi believe ariadne has probably told you my plansJun 30 05:47
leahi conveyed them to herJun 30 05:47
schestowitzwe can make it a conservation site :-)Jun 30 05:47
leahjust giving you advanced heads upJun 30 05:47
leahsite will be live soonJun 30 05:47
schestowitzalso reserve :-)Jun 30 05:47
leahi had a much bigger site, but the scope changed, so i started againJun 30 05:47
leahnew site is very simpleJun 30 05:47
schestowitzgemini capsule too?Jun 30 05:47
leahit's literally just a few pages, with a list of proposals i have for what i think should be done, in the fsf, gnu project and in the wider movement, to bring back unity in the free software movement, and advance the movementJun 30 05:48
leahno gemini capsule planned right now, because i don't know how to do thatJun 30 05:48
leahit has had a few false startsJun 30 05:49
leahbut it'll be live soonJun 30 05:49
schestowitzI can help..Jun 30 05:49
leahhelp with gemini?Jun 30 05:49
schestowitzin fact, we can help host that if you set dnsJun 30 05:49
leahah, sorry for opsec reasons i don't outsource my hostingJun 30 05:50
leahdon't take that personallyJun 30 05:50
schestowitzok, no worriesJun 30 05:50
leahi'll teach myself how to do gemininJun 30 05:50
leahi don't imagine it's too hardJun 30 05:50
leahfirst plan is, when it's ready i start a public discussionJun 30 05:51
leahprobably on libreplanet-discuss mailing listJun 30 05:51
leahand link to thatJun 30 05:51
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leahthere is a very specific reason to use the libreplanet-discuss listJun 30 05:52
leahprecisely the right kinds of people are on itJun 30 05:52
leahhas ariadne told you what i'm planning, schestowitz ?Jun 30 05:52
schestowitz no, just that it's a good ideaJun 30 05:53
leahok, well i won't go into too much detail now, i'll just finish the site, but:Jun 30 05:53
leah* fsf should hire programmersJun 30 05:53
leah* fsf should take an active technical lead in the free software movement, with full-time development staffJun 30 05:54
leah* fsf should continue also doing outreach and licensing/compliance workJun 30 05:54
schestowitzthat can lead to envyJun 30 05:54
schestowitzlike paid and unpaid gnu devsJun 30 05:54
leah* basically i think the problem with the fsf and gnu project right now is not that the fsf or rms runs itJun 30 05:54
schestowitzdebian tried that over a decade agoJun 30 05:54
leahlots of people lost faith in the fsfJun 30 05:54
leahthe reason is because fsf doesn't write codeJun 30 05:55
schestowitzfsfe does not eitherJun 30 05:55
schestowitzwe write some, but not a lotJun 30 05:55
leahthey see an organisation that preaches from the sidelines but doesn't do anythingJun 30 05:55
schestowitzand we self-host thatJun 30 05:55
leahi've looked at the fsf's financialsJun 30 05:55
leahit's ossibleJun 30 05:55
leahpossibleJun 30 05:55
schestowitzfsf puts forth infraJun 30 05:56
leahit can start off small. start a new project as a proof of conceptJun 30 05:56
schestowitzand makes a list of high-priority projectsJun 30 05:56
leahfor some thing that is neededJun 30 05:56
leahyes, exactly schestowitz Jun 30 05:56
schestowitzthey need to get finished with their Savannah successorJun 30 05:56
leahfinished? you mean they started?Jun 30 05:56
schestowitzhiring full-time for ordinary gnu tools seems misguided to me. focus instead on infra for gnu devsJun 30 05:56
leahi was going to suggest sourcehut. it's perfectJun 30 05:56
schestowitzthey were basing it on gitlabJun 30 05:57
leahyes well fsf overworks its sysadmin staffJun 30 05:57
schestowitzso I heardJun 30 05:57
schestowitzabout gitlabJun 30 05:57
schestowitznot the overworks partJun 30 05:57
leahthey need more people on technical staffJun 30 05:57
leahfsf needs to double it's sysadmin staffJun 30 05:58
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leahand i think the policy of hiring devs will pay for itself in the endJun 30 05:58
leahif fsf is seen to be producing software, more people donateJun 30 05:58
leahplus i've seen fsf's financials. they're publicJun 30 05:58
schestowitzyes, I knowJun 30 05:58
leahthey can already do this, with 3-5 people if they push itJun 30 05:58
schestowitzI saw that too and published portions, iircJun 30 05:59
leah3-5 peolpe paid full time, on US wagesJun 30 05:59
schestowitzI'm not sureJun 30 05:59
schestowitzthat's gnuJun 30 05:59
schestowitzfsf isn't in the coding businessJun 30 05:59
leahplus i've identified ways fsf can cut costs and also raise more money, under current status quoJun 30 05:59
schestowitzfsf was there to help gnuJun 30 05:59
schestowitzgnu can also help gnuJun 30 05:59
activelowwould be curious which projects fsf should engage Jun 30 05:59
*activelow listensJun 30 05:59
leahwell, what if you have a gnu project that is understaffed?Jun 30 05:59
leahgnu projects regularly have a lack of maintainersJun 30 06:00
leahfsf can assign such new staff to take over development in those instancesJun 30 06:00
leahanywhere where work is neededJun 30 06:00
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leahif you show the positive results of this (more software written), more people donateJun 30 06:00
leahplus i've identified ways that the fsf can more aggressively raise funding for gnu projectsJun 30 06:00
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leahi've already told fsf my ideasJun 30 06:00
leahand applied for the job of executive directorJun 30 06:01
schestowitzI remember gnashJun 30 06:01
schestowitzand the funding aspectJun 30 06:01
leahif they hire me, it will be because they agree with my plansJun 30 06:01
leahif they don't hire me, well that's their choice. but i've extended my handJun 30 06:01
leahif they hire me, i'll start on thisJun 30 06:01
leahfsf played a technical role in the pastJun 30 06:02
leahhired devsJun 30 06:02
schestowitzthrowing money at things does not always solve issuesJun 30 06:02
leahwell my original inspiration was the gnu assemblyJun 30 06:02
schestowitzit can create other (new) issuesJun 30 06:02
schestowitzfreenode is one exampleJun 30 06:02
*activelow thinks fsf should support a non-c++ gcc replacement and j-core.orgJun 30 06:02
leahthe gnu assembly wants to break away from fsf's control, and from rms's controlJun 30 06:02
schestowitzgnu assembly is BSJun 30 06:02
leahyes, it is BSJun 30 06:03
schestowitzit's also connected to IBMJun 30 06:03
leahbut they're doing that because they see an overall lack of technical leadership, and funding issuesJun 30 06:03
leahand they actually raise good pointsJun 30 06:03
schestowitzRed Hat infiltrated gnu projects for many yearsJun 30 06:03
schestowitznow it vainly assumes it owns themJun 30 06:03
leahi think the people in gnu assembly just want control, and are puppets of companies that bankroll themJun 30 06:03
schestowitzand that the fsf is indented to IBMJun 30 06:03
schestowitz*indebtedJun 30 06:03
schestowitzand that IBM should call the shots and appoint peopleJun 30 06:03
leahwell the gnu assembly i think is going to take over, if fsf doesn't do somethingJun 30 06:03
leahfsf needs to take the initiativeJun 30 06:04
leahand i have a planJun 30 06:04
leahi don't need to implement that plan if fsf hires meJun 30 06:04
leahi'm doing savegnu for in case they don't hire meJun 30 06:04
schestowitzweird diplomacy, imhoJun 30 06:04
schestowitzhire me, or else :-)Jun 30 06:04
leahbecause if they don't, then my plan b is to convince whoever they do hire, befriend the new fsf status quoJun 30 06:04
schestowitzcontengenciesJun 30 06:04
schestowitz*contingenciesJun 30 06:05
leahoh, is that how it sounds?Jun 30 06:05
leahit's unintentionalJun 30 06:05
leahi mean it will also increase my chance of getting hired i think, by going into more detailJun 30 06:05
leahthe CV i sent them barely scratches the surface. for what my agenda is, i need a full siteJun 30 06:05
leahplus if i can get people onboard and demonstarte that my ideas have a decent level of public supportJun 30 06:06
leahwell, you get itJun 30 06:06
schestowitzyes, I doJun 30 06:06
leahso i'm putting forth my ideasJun 30 06:06
leahand fsf can see i've appliedJun 30 06:06
schestowitzI still think they need cash reserves, not big...Jun 30 06:06
schestowitzbut just in caseJun 30 06:06
schestowitzeff keeps 40 million in the bank but goes nowhereJun 30 06:06
schestowitzmoney is not the issueJun 30 06:06
schestowitzthe message and strategy isJun 30 06:07
schestowitzmoney poisons institutionsJun 30 06:07
leahwell that's the beauty of my planJun 30 06:07
schestowitzhiring many people may look good; but it also makes them expensive to runJun 30 06:07
leahi only need to implement it and start 1 successful projectJun 30 06:07
leahi'll start small and hire 2 web devs to start a new project to free javascript on major websitesJun 30 06:07
activelowwowJun 30 06:08
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leahintegrating something in icecat that automatically downloads javascript from a repository somewhere (hosted by fsf)Jun 30 06:08
activelowleah: how should this in principle be possible?Jun 30 06:08
leahdo that as a proof of conceptJun 30 06:08
schestowitzthe web is f'ed imhoJun 30 06:08
leahand also because i think that is neededJun 30 06:08
schestowitzwe need to move away from the webJun 30 06:08
leahnot gonna happenJun 30 06:08
schestowitzyou cannot redeem it anymoreJun 30 06:08
schestowitzuse it in tandem with something elseJun 30 06:08
activelowanything at the javascript battle front is wasted time and resourcesJun 30 06:09
schestowitzoliva gave a talk about itJun 30 06:09
leahyep, but the web isn't going awayJun 30 06:09
schestowitzin libreplanet, with rms involvedJun 30 06:09
schestowitzwwworst he called itJun 30 06:09
leahyes, the wwworst app storeJun 30 06:09
leahi was there, i saw the talkJun 30 06:09
leahi was playing on fsf's minetest server and listening to the talkJun 30 06:09
schestowitz[06:09] <leah> yep, but the web isn't going awayJun 30 06:09
schestowitzit is, eventuallyJun 30 06:09
schestowitzeverything goes awayJun 30 06:10
schestowitzthe question is whenJun 30 06:10
schestowitzIBM will also go away after 100+ yearsJun 30 06:10
leahon what basis do you make this prediction?Jun 30 06:10
leahi'm thinking about the here and nowJun 30 06:10
leahbut you know what, it doesn't have to be that projectJun 30 06:10
leahit could be anything on the high priority listJun 30 06:10
schestowitzI agree with activelowJun 30 06:10
schestowitzmessing around with js is lots of worseJun 30 06:10
leah 30 06:11
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schestowitzand you die in the process or fighting to liberate itJun 30 06:11
leahany of those then. doesn't really matterJun 30 06:11
schestowitzbecause you play with a ball or woolJun 30 06:11
leahmy point is, i think fsf's problem is that all it does is preach and provide infrastructure. but it tries to have its cake and eat itJun 30 06:11
leahit doesn't hire enough full time staff for even thatJun 30 06:11
schestowitzsalaries are expensiveJun 30 06:11
schestowitzwe need communitiesJun 30 06:11
leahmy plans are risky, but i think they'll have widespread supportJun 30 06:11
leahand it's possible to fundJun 30 06:12
schestowitzmany people can work on the side, as I do...Jun 30 06:12
leaheven if fsf only ever hires 2-3 devs at a timeJun 30 06:12
leah(2-3 full time)Jun 30 06:12
leahplusJun 30 06:12
leahmost software projects don't need full time workJun 30 06:12
leahmore like part timeJun 30 06:12
leahso a lot of those devs are actually going to end up being part timeJun 30 06:12
schestowitzI do not share that strategy, and let me explain why:Jun 30 06:12
schestowitz1. you cannot hire your way into ideologyJun 30 06:12
schestowitz2. some people tried and failedJun 30 06:13
schestowitz3. your strength is in numbersJun 30 06:13
schestowitz4. you need to convince people to join youJun 30 06:13
schestowitz5. for (4), you need messagingJun 30 06:13
leah#1 is true. you could end up hiring someone who's just in it for the wageJun 30 06:13
schestowitz6. one example of (5) is bad vista and 7 sinsJun 30 06:13
schestowitz7. you need to change people's perception of thing and get them to "fight the good fight"Jun 30 06:14
schestowitz8. environmentalists are one good example, antiwar is anotherJun 30 06:14
leahmy perspective is slightly different, in that i'm more practicalJun 30 06:14
schestowitz9. codepink isn't "hiring" campaignersJun 30 06:14
leahmy whole startegy is putting something in front of someone, that they can actually useJun 30 06:14
schestowitzI think that's about all I have to say for now, but (10) would seem a better numberJun 30 06:14
leahfree software ideology is the foundation, but actual free software is criticalJun 30 06:15
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schestowitzwe already have free swJun 30 06:15
schestowitzdon't get me wrong;;Jun 30 06:15
schestowitzthe software is hereJun 30 06:15
schestowitzright here, right nowJun 30 06:15
schestowitzkde plasma5Jun 30 06:15
schestowitzapacheJun 30 06:15
schestowitzgemini toolsetsJun 30 06:15
schestowitzdecent browsers tooJun 30 06:15
schestowitzbut the issue we have revolves around other problemsJun 30 06:15
schestowitzopenwashing, like systemd and other OSPS, e.g. chromiumJun 30 06:16
schestowitzyou moreover have a marketing gapJun 30 06:16
schestowitzbut we cannot "buy ads" to winJun 30 06:16
schestowitzit won't scaleJun 30 06:16
schestowitzken starks tried with nascarJun 30 06:16
schestowitzwe need to fight along ideological linesJun 30 06:16
schestowitzRMS does thatJun 30 06:16
leahyepJun 30 06:17
schestowitzwe need more people to go around explaining to people, inc. officials, why their org/nation/company should changeJun 30 06:17
schestowitzself-hostingJun 30 06:17
schestowitzback doors eliminatedJun 30 06:17
leahi'm not saying replace the current fsf btwJun 30 06:17
schestowitztechnical debtJun 30 06:17
schestowitz(=no vendor lockin)Jun 30 06:17
leahwhat fsf currently does can and should continueJun 30 06:17
schestowitzhiring more devs means more codeJun 30 06:17
schestowitzbut more code does not beget more usersJun 30 06:17
leahwell i think there's roomJun 30 06:18
leahi've run the numbersJun 30 06:18
schestowitzwhen there's a technical need people write code regardlessJun 30 06:18
schestowitzinitially for themselvesJun 30 06:18
schestowitzno need to 'fund' themJun 30 06:18
leahi've also assumed the worst, due to covid (current financials aren't available for scrutinyyet, but i assume covid made things worse. my budgeting assumes that 1/3 of fsf's usual annual finances are wiped out)Jun 30 06:18
schestowitzall that Red Hat and LF stuffJun 30 06:18
schestowitzthey present the wrong issuesJun 30 06:19
schestowitzlike "funding" and "diversity"Jun 30 06:19
schestowitzas it we'll magically succeed IFJun 30 06:19
schestowitzwe had more colour diversityJun 30 06:19
schestowitzand if we get some more moneyJun 30 06:19
leahyou initially said that my idea would lead to jealousy issuesJun 30 06:19
leahcan you explain that?Jun 30 06:19
schestowitzthose are misframingsJun 30 06:19
schestowitzlike saying "LINUX" will succeed with more marketingJun 30 06:19
schestowitzthe issue is Microsoft corruption, inc. briberyJun 30 06:19
schestowitznot that Linux is "hard to use"Jun 30 06:20
schestowitzTideLift (Red Hat et al) is among the BS clubJun 30 06:20
leahi think the potential is there, but it's a gamble. that's why i'd start off smallJun 30 06:20
schestowitzthey misframe the issuesJun 30 06:20
*activelow would propose something else, i'll have some coffee first, ttylJun 30 06:20
schestowitzwith their 'studies'Jun 30 06:20
leahhire 2 devs, to work on any project listed on high priority listJun 30 06:20
schestowitzthey see everything in green (money, not environment)Jun 30 06:20
schestowitz[06:19] <leah> you initially said that my idea would lead to jealousy issuesJun 30 06:20
leahsee how it goes. fsf can do it, with current budgeting, and there are ways to boost their financesJun 30 06:20
schestowitzyes, you then differentiate paid and unpaidJun 30 06:21
schestowitzthat happened in Debian when HP et al offered moneyJun 30 06:21
schestowitzit didn't encourage more workJun 30 06:21
leahwell unpaid just means you're funded some other way. everyone needs to get paidJun 30 06:21
schestowitzit made some people feel discriminated, like unpaid serfsJun 30 06:21
schestowitzFedora is now having the same issueJun 30 06:21
leahif someone works on something unpaid, they'll be paid by someone else probablyJun 30 06:21
schestowitzas many core people are paid IBM shillsJun 30 06:21
schestowitzand the rest are unpaid volunteers who test and "file bugs"Jun 30 06:21
leahi see what you meanJun 30 06:22
leahi'm not sure how much worse that would be than the current situation thoughJun 30 06:22
leahdebian and fedora projects already produce softwareJun 30 06:22
leahfsf doesn'tJun 30 06:22
schestowitzthat's because fsf is differentJun 30 06:22
schestowitztbh:Jun 30 06:22
schestowitzthis is the first time I hear thisJun 30 06:22
schestowitzI heard that about fsfeJun 30 06:22
schestowitznot fsfJun 30 06:22
schestowitzfsf is for advocacy and supportJun 30 06:23
schestowitzit's not a coding millJun 30 06:23
leahnot yetJun 30 06:23
schestowitzjust as techrights is notJun 30 06:23
leahthat's exactly why the fsf should hire meJun 30 06:23
schestowitzwe mostly cover news and stuffJun 30 06:23
schestowitzwe also make code, but maybe 50-100 scriptsJun 30 06:23
leahi'll keep the current layers of fsf intact, but add another layerJun 30 06:23
schestowitzand not very long, eitherJun 30 06:23
leahand even take a technical lead myself, in some projectsJun 30 06:23
leahthere is no reason why the fsf can't do thisJun 30 06:24
leahthey've done it beforeJun 30 06:24
leahhired devs to work on specific projects where work needed doingJun 30 06:24
schestowitzmaybe they didJun 30 06:25
schestowitzafaik, they devotes some money to projectsJun 30 06:25
schestowitznot the same as hiringJun 30 06:25
schestowitzhiring a person entails more obligationsJun 30 06:25
schestowitzcontractualJun 30 06:25
schestowitzgranting some funds to a project doesn't mean pensions and payslipsJun 30 06:25
schestowitzor dental etc.Jun 30 06:25
schestowitz 30 06:26
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schestowitznow with all events (real ones) canceledJun 30 06:26
schestowitzthey have a crisis at LFJun 30 06:26
leahi think it would workJun 30 06:26
schestowitz 30 06:26
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leahbut you're right that it's riskyJun 30 06:26
schestowitzvery riskyJun 30 06:27
leahi imagine there will be same opposition to itJun 30 06:27
schestowitzas there's no way backJun 30 06:27
leahs/same/someJun 30 06:27
leahno way back?Jun 30 06:27
schestowitzif people come to expect a certain high salaryJun 30 06:27
schestowitzin techrighrs nobody is paidJun 30 06:27
schestowitzso we don't need to worry about raising money etc.Jun 30 06:27
schestowitzI'm not paid either, I PAYJun 30 06:27
schestowitzelectricity etc.Jun 30 06:27
leahi think most people working on a given free software project aren't working on it full time thoughJun 30 06:28
schestowitziirc, openbsd was in the same situation, with theo paying to run like 20 servers at homeJun 30 06:28
leahthey'll probably work on it 1-2 hours daily at most. often much lessJun 30 06:28
schestowitzor phoronix with lots of gear running too... but no expenses as all the work is done by michael with help from the wife, fatimaJun 30 06:28
schestowitzfsf needs to be lean and (maybe) meanJun 30 06:28
schestowitzmaybe not meanJun 30 06:28
schestowitzbut the saying goes like thatJun 30 06:29
schestowitzthis way it can MOON IBMJun 30 06:29
leahwell we'll seeJun 30 06:29
schestowitzwhen IBM says "no money money..."Jun 30 06:29
leahif they hire me, it's likely because they agree with my plans, but they'll want me to tone it down a bitJun 30 06:29
leahbe more conservative about it i meanJun 30 06:29
leahe.g. not hire 2-3 full time staffJun 30 06:29
leahbut start out with 2-3 part-time devs hired to work on specific projects deemed high priorityJun 30 06:30
schestowitzmany people already make free softwareJun 30 06:30
schestowitzmoney isn't the issueJun 30 06:30
leahwell if they're open to my ideas, they'll at least interview me probablyJun 30 06:30
leahyeah but how many people writing free software get paid to do so?Jun 30 06:30
schestowitzagain, not the real issueJun 30 06:30
schestowitzmoney isn't the issueJun 30 06:30
leahi imagine most of them aren't doing it full timeJun 30 06:30
schestowitzwe need to win the argumentsJun 30 06:30
leahunless maybe they have a patreon or whateverJun 30 06:30
schestowitzat the moment there's a big problem like people outsourcing code to crooks at MicrosoftJun 30 06:31
schestowitz 30 06:31
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schestowitzand each project they take control of is a win for themJun 30 06:31
schestowitzgnu and fsf have said nothing about it for yearsJun 30 06:31
schestowitzdidn't even try to oppose the takeoverJun 30 06:31
schestowitzor wage antitrust actionsJun 30 06:31
schestowitznothingJun 30 06:31
schestowitzso here we are...Jun 30 06:31
schestowitzwith traitors from 'gnu' (IBM) outsourcing to MicrosoftJun 30 06:32
schestowitzand another novellJun 30 06:32
schestowitz 30 06:32
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leahthat is actually one of the main reasons why i want to do what i've come up withJun 30 06:35
leahi want the fsf to have meaningful control over developmentJun 30 06:35
leahmost people are practical. they'll listen to your ideology but at the end of the day they're interested in bread and butter on the tableJun 30 06:37
leahand fsf can be that tooJun 30 06:37
leahif fsf hires me, i'm pressing ahead with this plan. but i'll start small, see how it goes. operating very carefullyJun 30 06:37
leahyour thing where you said the fsf shouldn't be a "code mill" isJun 30 06:37
leahwellJun 30 06:37
leahthat's exactly what i want the fsf to becomeJun 30 06:38
leahit's feasible under the current status quo. fsf actaully runs budget surpluses each yearJun 30 06:39
leahbut i think if this is successful and people see it being a success, more people will join as fsf members and more will donate in general. fsf's finances will increaseJun 30 06:39
leahthe issue of money is only relevant if you have a single organisation funding the fsfJun 30 06:40
schestowitzwhere will money come from?Jun 30 06:40
leahthis would be people poweredJun 30 06:40
leahfrom ordinary people donatingJun 30 06:40
schestowitznot many people wouldJun 30 06:40
leahe.g. associate members paying 120 usd each yearJun 30 06:40
leahthis has never been tried before on the scale i wantJun 30 06:40
leahthe way i'm planning it, if this fails it can always be scaled back to nothingJun 30 06:40
leahi'll do a trial run. a very conservative oneJun 30 06:41
leahschestowitz:  and this conversation has innspired me to open up discussion sooner. i imagine more people will think like you, or have other ideasJun 30 06:41
leahi want to see what the wider community of people thinks about my ideasJun 30 06:42
leahthing is i know some projects require more work than othersJun 30 06:42
leahin practise there are only going to be very specific projects that could benefit from this kind of initiativeJun 30 06:43
leahmy concept is this: anywhere where work needs to be done, fsf can send real developers in to helpJun 30 06:43
schestowitzthe fsf is run by its treasurerJun 30 06:43
schestowitzdecades-longJun 30 06:43
schestowitzhe would know about fund-raisingJun 30 06:43
schestowitzbetter than we knowJun 30 06:43
leahyes the current treasurer is geoff knauth, who is also the presidentJun 30 06:43
leahthanks for this discussion schestowitz Jun 30 06:45
leahi'll see what happens first. if they like my ideas, then they can bring me onboard. otherwise.. well in general i think things will be fine in the long termJun 30 06:46
leahi see great opportunity here though. i think free software is stagnatingJun 30 06:46
schestowitzno worriesJun 30 06:46
schestowitzany time..Jun 30 06:46
schestowitzXRevan86: meduza rss is back!Jun 30 06:46
leahopen source thrivesJun 30 06:46
leahfree software though, is on a declineJun 30 06:46
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leahthe solution basically is for fsf to double down and take a decisive lead. stop waiting for the outside world to solve their problems. but that's just me, and i could be wrongJun 30 06:47
schestowitzopen source diedJun 30 06:47
schestowitzit's openwashing nowJun 30 06:47
leahi need to start that public discussionJun 30 06:47
schestowitzand yes, proprietary software falsely marketed is doing okJun 30 06:47
leahon libreplanet-discuss and a few other placesJun 30 06:47
schestowitzon false "open" githubJun 30 06:47
schestowitzproprietaryJun 30 06:47
XRevan86schestowitz: At least some good news…Jun 30 06:47
schestowitzso we have much work left to doJun 30 06:47
XRevan86Not the literal news though.Jun 30 06:48
leahimagine an fsf with 10x the current fundingJun 30 06:48
schestowitzmoney doesn't always solve issueJun 30 06:48
leahi think this is possible, with my plans. the plan, if successful, will pay for itself. it will attract more funding from the public, and from organisationsJun 30 06:48
schestowitzir can contribute to issuesJun 30 06:48
schestowitzlike heavyweight orgJun 30 06:48
schestowitz"mo money mo problems" -sean combsJun 30 06:48
schestowitzdmx died not so long ageJun 30 06:49
schestowitz*agoJun 30 06:49
leahmoney can be used for good tooJun 30 06:49
schestowitzmany of the singers from that era dieJun 30 06:49
schestowitzsome with addition or substance issuesJun 30 06:49
schestowitzleah: canJun 30 06:49
schestowitzso can communitiesJun 30 06:49
leahi think this will be a success, if attemptedJun 30 06:49
schestowitzhuman capacity in western society is more valuableJun 30 06:49
schestowitzwe don't fight for a literal breadJun 30 06:50
leahfsf has the clout to get it done. it has the authorityJun 30 06:50
XRevan86schestowitz: Regarding freenode and money, it kind of didn't have money thrown at it, the people who ran it weren't employed. Of course now it's a commercial company through and through, but that's not exactly the result of money throwing.Jun 30 06:50
leahpeople would jump at the opportunity, and it would kickstart the movementJun 30 06:50
leahof course, money can also corrupt as you sayJun 30 06:50
schestowitzXRevan86: but the introduction of business oriented thinking killed itJun 30 06:50
schestowitzstaff as volunteers works okJun 30 06:51
schestowitzas long as it's not run by a drug addict with ego issuesJun 30 06:51
XRevan86schestowitz: It was more of a racket that killed it.Jun 30 06:51
schestowitzkape etc.Jun 30 06:51
schestowitzgamblingJun 30 06:51
schestowitzbtw, mr. bigshot bitcoin diedJun 30 06:52
schestowitzdrowningJun 30 06:52
schestowitzhe was in #techrights beforeJun 30 06:52
schestowitzlots of deaths recentlyJun 30 06:52
XRevan86schestowitz: He was? Weird.Jun 30 06:52
schestowitzfeels like i'm in some african countryJun 30 06:53
schestowitzwith high child mortality and malaria or somethingJun 30 06:53
schestowitzalso, quite a few deaths of people who used to be here in ircJun 30 06:53
schestowitzwikileaks has lots of death around itJun 30 06:53
schestowitzyou could just about smell the stenchJun 30 06:53
schestowitzdead lawyers and associatesJun 30 06:53
schestowitz@6, arjen, some lawyers (onlyleft, several other Assange lawyers)Jun 30 06:54
schestowitz 30 06:54
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XRevan86They say that the defamation case under which they were searched expired in 2019.Jun 30 06:57
XRevan86The Putin's press secretary Pieskov of course says that there are lawful reasons for such actions.Jun 30 06:58
XRevan86But when the head of the ministry of internal affairs is involved, expiration dates become meaningless.Jun 30 07:00
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activelowi think gnu and fsf should remember their origins, which isn't some shiny bright consumer desktops and big fossJun 30 07:03
activelowinstead *nix originated in academia, at universities and research institutions, in particular telecomJun 30 07:04
activelowand this is where gnu and fsf are loosing ground to proprietary vendorsJun 30 07:04
schestowitzare they?Jun 30 07:04
schestowitzmaybe the labels changedJun 30 07:04
schestowitzbut deep down there's freeswJun 30 07:05
activelowi accept any argument which contradicts mine schestowitzJun 30 07:05
activelowyet i do remember what laboratories at Deutsche Telekom university were equipped withJun 30 07:05
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schestowitzactivelow: iirc, they work a lot with red hatJun 30 07:06
schestowitznow ibmJun 30 07:06
schestowitzall sorts of corporate 'oss'Jun 30 07:06
schestowitzbased on gnu further down at the bottomJun 30 07:07
activelowyet this isn't the realm and origin of *nix, science and engineeringJun 30 07:07
activelowuniversities and telco wereJun 30 07:07
schestowitzthat used to be more proprietaryJun 30 07:08
activelowtelco is 100% proprietaryJun 30 07:08
activelowto provokeJun 30 07:08
schestowitzopenwashingJun 30 07:09
schestowitzaround their consortia and LFJun 30 07:09
schestowitztelco is like a cartelJun 30 07:09
schestowitzthey just try to sprinkle some "open shit" on itJun 30 07:09
leahschestowitz:  btw sorry i'm a bit tired, i want to clarify what i said earlier:Jun 30 07:10
leahi meant that the savegnu site is for my public campaign, regardless of whether i get the job; but if i get the job, then i'll be in the perfect spot to lead that campaign. but if i don't get it, the campaign is still worthwhile anyway and i'll still pursue it but at that point it'd be me trying to influence whoever else  gets itJun 30 07:11
leahi disagree with your original assertion that "save" is too loaded/strong use of language. i really do think it needs savingJun 30 07:12
leahit's stagnating and there are people trying to break apartJun 30 07:13
schestowitznot for those reasonsJun 30 07:13
schestowitzsuch as fundingJun 30 07:13
leahgnu assembly was the catalyst that made me start thinking about all of this, and to come up with these plansJun 30 07:13
schestowitzin fact, some of them are already well fundedJun 30 07:13
schestowitzthey just want to get rid of 'stinky RMS'Jun 30 07:13
leaheven if my plan isn't implemented at all, i do still think i'd be a good executive directorJun 30 07:13
schestowitzbecause his worldviews don't match up with their employment arrangementsJun 30 07:14
leahand i do think the fsf still needs like, at least 1 extra full-time sysadmin to run all the infrastructureJun 30 07:14
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schestowitztons of IBM staffJun 30 07:14
leahwell i'm not thinking of rms hereJun 30 07:14
leahi defended him to correct a previous injustice; my attacks against him in 2016, and also because i disliked the smear campaign against him, so i came to his aidJun 30 07:15
leahrms represents an obstacle for those people specifically though, the ibm staffersJun 30 07:15
leahhe's an ideological obstacle. he'd raise a stink about any insidious plans they'd have to corrupt the fsfJun 30 07:15
leahor the gnu projectJun 30 07:15
leahgetting rid of rms was only phase 1 of their planJun 30 07:16
schestowitzor their businessJun 30 07:16
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schestowitzFSF needs less corporate moneyJun 30 07:16
leahagreedJun 30 07:16
schestowitzthat may also mean not more salariesJun 30 07:16
leahwell take gcc for exampleJun 30 07:16
schestowitzadding weight to it is making it like MozillaJun 30 07:16
schestowitzand we know what happened to MozillaJun 30 07:17
activelowto provoke again: IBM/red hat are almost irelevant on the university schedule of telco engineering, same with microsoftJun 30 07:17
leahmany of them are on redhat payrollJun 30 07:17
leahwho is owned by ibmJun 30 07:17
leahso fsf and the gnu project already have less control. plus i'm told gcc no longer requires copyright assignment to the fsf for new code contributionsJun 30 07:17
activelowfirst lectures were analog electronics, digital circuit design, little later signal processing followedJun 30 07:17
schestowitz"A friend of mine was attending one of the OLF Conferences, on Saturday November 7th, and he happened to find a seat listening to Bob Young of Red Hat. Young was telling a story about how a few years ago he had explained to Richard Stallman that he himself was more committed to Free Software than Stallman was. In his view, Stallman was only ideologically supporting Free Software, while Red Hat’s entire business model depended upon on it. And Jun 30 07:17
schestowitzthrough Red Hat’s commercialization of GNU/Linux, Young had brought open-source/free software into wide-spread corporate acceptance and into the marketplace such that many more people could benefit."Jun 30 07:18
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leahredhat depends on open source, not free softwareJun 30 07:18
activelowwhich reminds me again of, the situation around xilinx/altera and the silicon valley cartel Jun 30 07:18
leahand now redhat depends on whatever ibm says they depend onJun 30 07:19
activelowso, fsf gnu etc. are whining about lack of free and open hardware, reason being is their lack of awareness and wrong prioritiesJun 30 07:19
leahimagine fsf with the same resources and clout as redhatJun 30 07:19
leahbut still with the same ideological zealJun 30 07:19
leahfunded by members donating to it as usualJun 30 07:20
schestowitzno, that's all wrongJun 30 07:20
schestowitzfsf should not be bigJun 30 07:20
schestowitzi'm sort of fatigued over all thisJun 30 07:20
schestowitzthe idea things need to be bigJun 30 07:21
schestowitzlike,Jun 30 07:21
schestowitzeurope needs tech giantsJun 30 07:21
schestowitzno, it doesn't Jun 30 07:21
schestowitzwe need many family-owned thingsJun 30 07:21
schestowitzlike SMEsJun 30 07:21
schestowitzwe don't need to mimic pentagon  valleyJun 30 07:21
schestowitzbecause we know that leads to oppression of the domestic populate with gov complicityJun 30 07:21
schestowitzas for fsfJun 30 07:21
schestowitzand non-profitsJun 30 07:21
schestowitzthey're not in need of becoming employersJun 30 07:22
schestowitz[05:19] <techrights-news> ● NEWS ● #Newsweek #Censorship ☞ Requiem for the American #CivilLiberties Union "The #ACLU is now rolling in money, but it is intellectually bankrupt in its defense of free speech"Jun 30 07:22
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schestowitznot everything needs to run like a businessJun 30 07:22
schestowitzotherwise it becomes a businessJun 30 07:22
schestowitzand fsf should never become a businessJun 30 07:23
activelowif fsf and gnu seek to strengthen the movement they shouldn't seek to transform into party politics outlets (fsfe) or big-foss corporate outlets (fsf)Jun 30 07:23
activelowfsf and gnu need to strengthen their affiliation with UniversitiesJun 30 07:23
activelowand in particular those which lecture electronics, maths, telco engineering, physics etc. (instead of gender blah)Jun 30 07:24
leahwhat does "big foss" mean?Jun 30 07:25
activelowleah: to keep it simple with one criteria, big foss is those products not suitable for university lectures anymoreJun 30 07:26
leah?Jun 30 07:26
gustafleah: it's just something Andrew Lee came up with to justify kicking off the FSF from FreenodeJun 30 07:27
activelowlet me ask: do you think GCC is a suitable product to study compilers?Jun 30 07:27
leah"instead of gender blah"Jun 30 07:27
leahuniversities typically only talk about that if you do gender studiesJun 30 07:27
leahotherwise they'll teach you computer science or math or whatever you set out to study. don't be ridiculousJun 30 07:27
activelowgender studies isn't an academic subject of telco engineering, the origin of *nixJun 30 07:28
leahgustaf: yes, i've seen the term used by that person, but i still don't fully knowJun 30 07:28
schestowitz"big foss" is a laughable termJun 30 07:28
schestowitzI responded to that the other dayJun 30 07:28
leahi'm currently rejecting it as hyperboleJun 30 07:28
schestowitzin 30 07:28
leah"big foss" is that like "big tech"?Jun 30 07:28
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schestowitzit's "shit" people say when high on drugsJun 30 07:29
schestowitz"big tech" is a Microsoft inventionJun 30 07:29
schestowitzastroturfing campaignJun 30 07:29
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leahso i just have to snort a line of cocaine to understand itJun 30 07:29
schestowitzas we explained all alongJun 30 07:29
leahthanks for clarifyingJun 30 07:29
schestowitznow we have hard evidence that Microsoft was behind itJun 30 07:29
schestowitzso it can attack us while keeping us distracted 30 07:30
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techrights-news● NEWS ● #TheNation ☞ The #Biden Administration and Congress Have a Chance to Tame Big Tech stop saying "Big Tech"; that's #microsoft #astroturfing 30 07:32
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activelowi do not think fsf and gnu can and should compete with big foss commerce and microsoftJun 30 07:33
leahschestowitz:  yeah that l0de interview was what made me back away from freenodeJun 30 07:33
leahthat place is poisonJun 30 07:33
activelowfsf and gnu can compete at Universities, in the realm of electronics, telco engineering, signal processing, hardware circuit design - and realign their priorities accordinglyJun 30 07:34
gustaf"Big FOSS" is so transparently stupid it's become a memeJun 30 07:34
activelowand then leah, once you finished one such university lecture, you may seek leadership positionJun 30 07:35
gustaf...Jun 30 07:35
leah?Jun 30 07:35
XRevan86leah: "i'm currently rejecting it as hyperbole" – it's not.Jun 30 07:36
leahactivelow: your sentences make no senseJun 30 07:36
schestowitz"Big Vegan"Jun 30 07:36
leahbig tech...rightsJun 30 07:36
leahsorry, i had to :PJun 30 07:36
schestowitz"Greedy Greta"Jun 30 07:37
XRevan86rasengan used the term more than once.Jun 30 07:37
activelowleah: then learn to readJun 30 07:37
XRevan86It's easy to blame a big bad for one's misfortune.Jun 30 07:37
activelowi had some literature recommendations for gnu and fsfJun 30 07:38
schestowitzI remember when ROBBER BARON Bill Gates (GENIUS!) lectured us all on "gentle capitalism!"Jun 30 07:38
schestowitzlike 10 years agoJun 30 07:38
schestowitzthe person who robs you... a true gentlemanJun 30 07:38
schestowitzsometimes invertion worksJun 30 07:38
schestowitzGreen BPJun 30 07:38
schestowitzOpen AT MicrosoftJun 30 07:38
schestowitz*inversionJun 30 07:39
schestowitzwhatever you are accused ifJun 30 07:39
schestowitz*of Jun 30 07:39
schestowitzmany examplesJun 30 07:39
schestowitz"spreading democracy" (bombing)Jun 30 07:39
schestowitzWorks now only for reputation launderingJun 30 07:40
schestowitzbut daemonisation tooJun 30 07:41
schestowitzGreed Animal ShelterJun 30 07:41
schestowitz"Fair and balanced" Fox News [sic]Jun 30 07:41
schestowitzDepartment of DefenceJun 30 07:42
schestowitzUsed to be called Department of WarJun 30 07:42
activelowand the "big tech" headquarters in silicon valley are an outlet of theirsJun 30 07:42
schestowitz"Linux" FoundationJun 30 07:43
activelowaligned to a strategy of economic warfare, "america first" which was implemented long before Trump spouted it around the globeJun 30 07:43
leah"big tech" is very vague but generally refers to... the big tech companiesJun 30 07:44
leahmakes sense that microsoft might come up with such a term themselvesJun 30 07:44
leahit deflects blame from themJun 30 07:44
schestowitzRobbers are not "job creators" and "philanthropists" Jun 30 07:44
leahinstead of complaining about abuses of power by 1 big company, people say "big tech"Jun 30 07:44
schestowitzold strategyJun 30 07:45
schestowitz"scroogled"Jun 30 07:45
schestowitzNew:"Jun 30 07:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?Jun 30 07:45
leahit's basically newspeak designed to reduce accountabilityJun 30 07:46
schestowitzI could think of many more xamplesJun 30 07:46
schestowitzso many that I literally FORGOT some while typing Jun 30 07:47
schestowitznot that they all matterJun 30 07:47
schestowitzpinkwashing is a new oneJun 30 07:47
schestowitzrecent years, maybe past decadeJun 30 07:47
activelowpinkwashing?Jun 30 07:47
leahplus nowadays the term "big tech" is used as a dogwhistle by alt-right shits that appropriated the term in their version, it basically means they don't like that they got banned for saying mean spirited and hateful things about specific groups of people on a given platformJun 30 07:47
schestowitzactivelow: like when gchq claims it cares for gaysJun 30 07:48
leah(if you hear one of them say "big tech" it's a sign that says to other racists that they are one of them, and then you'll hear them talk about things like mastodon or what have you)Jun 30 07:48
schestowitzafter killing alan turningJun 30 07:48
leahlike when they say "big tech" and say how bad it isJun 30 07:48
leahit's subtle. normal people would not recognize it normal means you're either not one of them, or not educated about the kind of subtle language they useJun 30 07:48
schestowitzthere are many bad companies for different reasonsJun 30 07:49
schestowitzin free software we need to focus on s/w aspectsJun 30 07:49
activelowschestowitz: not that anyone asked, yet I do have an opinion on this, which is quickly summarized. this pink-thing is a *private* matterJun 30 07:49
activelowit isn't up to politics, corporations or foundations to hook onto such subjects who decides to intercourse with whom - it is a matter of private lifeJun 30 07:50
leahschestowitz: sanewashing is a thing nowJun 30 07:51
leahbecause i coined it just nowJun 30 07:52
schestowitznot seen that yetJun 30 07:52
schestowitzLeroy Sane FTWJun 30 07:52
leahit's when a coked up nutjob pretends to have some noble goal or any clue what the fuck he's doing, and takes over a major non-profitJun 30 07:52
leahsorry, i'm terrible at jokesJun 30 07:52
schestowitz9/11 "truthers"Jun 30 07:54
schestowitznowadays the word "truth" is partly loadedJun 30 07:54
schestowitzif a site claims it has "the truth"Jun 30 07:54
techrights-news● NEWS ● #CommonDreams ☞ Though Evidence Is Lacking, US Media Give New Respect to Lab Leak Theory 30 07:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Opinion | Though Evidence Is Lacking, US Media Give New Respect to Lab Leak Theory | Joshua ChoJun 30 07:55
leahto be clear, i was making a joke about andrew leeJun 30 07:55
bagira/fn | for those who think the term has no meaningJun 30 07:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Big Tech - WikipediaJun 30 07:56
leahnot a very good one eitherJun 30 07:56
bagira/fnFAANG is very much real and very much full of money and ambitionsJun 30 07:56
techrights-news#fb #monopoly #monopoly 30 07:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Court rejects FTC complaint that Facebook is a monopoly | MIT Technology ReviewJun 30 07:56
XRevan86leah: The existing term is rationalisation.Jun 30 07:56
XRevan86When a rationale for doing something is thought out after the fact.Jun 30 07:57
leahokJun 30 07:58
XRevan86It lacks the implication of crazy though :)Jun 30 07:59
leahanyone currently abusing cocaine shouldn't run an irc networkJun 30 07:59
leahand the way andrew behaves is extremely irrational so i'm inclined to believe drug use is involvedJun 30 07:59
leahthere is documented evidence that he has a serious cocaine problemJun 30 07:59
leahthat alone should disqualify someone from leading an organisationJun 30 07:59
leahjust like you wouldn't let a drunk person drive a carJun 30 08:00
leahyou should have a clear head when taking on responsibility like thatJun 30 08:00
XRevan86leah: It's possible that this is how he got himself in charge in the first place.Jun 30 08:00
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XRevan86with a high thought about how freenode is run that isJun 30 08:01
leahpeople should use drugs if they wish they reap the consequences later, and that's on themJun 30 08:01
leahlet people fuck up their own lives if they want, so long as they're not hurting othersJun 30 08:01
leahbut you then disqualify yourself from having responsibility over others, if you don't have any over yourselfJun 30 08:02
leahjust my opinionJun 30 08:03
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lockeanarchisthelloJun 30 08:04
CrystalMathin my opinion, generically speaking, one is free to damage their own property for whatever reason, even if others depend on it - it's their property after allJun 30 08:06
CrystalMathhi lockeanarchistJun 30 08:06
CrystalMathbut i personally believe that the new freenode is very much improved, not damagedJun 30 08:07
lockeanarchistwhat andrew did is completely irrational indeedJun 30 08:08
CrystalMathi'm not claiming i understand everything he did, but that doesn't mean i'll jump to the conclusion that it's irrationalJun 30 08:09
CrystalMathfor those things it's more likely that it is rational, but i just don't understand itJun 30 08:09
lockeanarchistCrystalMath: What he could do was pretty simple, just lay low and slowly change the policies, let people say that they are leaving whateverJun 30 08:11
lockeanarchisthe just accelerated the exodusJun 30 08:11
CrystalMathhmm, well, suppose you were in his place, and you do that, and then thousands of people complain that they can't speak on many channels because chanops locked it downJun 30 08:11
CrystalMathwhat do you then?Jun 30 08:12
psydruidis that a good thing or a bad thing? both? neither?Jun 30 08:12
CrystalMathit's a bad thing - an IRC network is used for talkingJun 30 08:12
CrystalMaththese chanops disabled talking on that network to advertise a different oneJun 30 08:12
psydruidaccelerating the exodus, I meanJun 30 08:12
CrystalMaththese chanops (for example of #osdev, or #regex) are just garbage people, they are mindless drones of an unfathomably evil agendaJun 30 08:13
lockeanarchistyeah, I would be more benevolent, asked people to report these channelsJun 30 08:14
lockeanarchistwould askJun 30 08:14
CrystalMathlockeanarchist: and manually free them?Jun 30 08:14
psydruid> Leroy Sane FTWJun 30 08:15
psydruidLeroy Sane is coming home from Wembley. Or maybe he has already come home and is now in quarantine after the obligatory sanewashing.Jun 30 08:15
lockeanarchistyeah, you have a point, it's complicatedJun 30 08:15
CrystalMaththey were manually freed in the beginningJun 30 08:15
CrystalMathso someone thought to simplify the task and write a script that will go in, detect them, and automatically reopenJun 30 08:16
CrystalMathbut it's hard to detect a closure of a channel, and differentiate it from a temporary +mJun 30 08:16
lockeanarchistI'm pretty confused about what is freenode nowJun 30 08:17
lockeanarchistit's just a Rizon-esque network now?Jun 30 08:18
CrystalMathlockeanarchist: also i took a look around, nobody has ever used +m to force people to leave a network before, i found records of old projects moving, let's say from EFNet to some or something, they didn't destroy the original channelJun 30 08:18
CrystalMaththese chanops who set +m used *force* because they felt entitled to it, they believed that any means is okay for their unfethomably evil agendaJun 30 08:18
psydruidI don't see burning down and rebuilding the network as the worst approach. A gradual approach would have taken a lot longer and kept things lingering for quite a while.Jun 30 08:19
CrystalMathand it's unfathomably evil because it's way broader than IRC, it's an attack on individual freedomJun 30 08:19
CrystalMathand it's an attack on property rightsJun 30 08:19
CrystalMaththe chanops took the resources of the network, but felt entitled to all of the users they gained by being thereJun 30 08:20
psydruidit was an attack to mortally wound freenode by causing everyone to leave and leaving the network for deadJun 30 08:20
lockeanarchistI was seeing people saying that Freenode was now giving a pass for nazifascistsJun 30 08:20
CrystalMathliberia as a whole is a part of the unfathomably evil agenda, and the one that undoubtedly attacked *first*Jun 30 08:20
lockeanarchiston twitterJun 30 08:20
lockeanarchistthese people are pure evil indeedJun 30 08:21
CrystalMathlockeanarchist: everybody who isn't a part of the unfathomably evil agenda to them is a "nazifascist"Jun 30 08:21
CrystalMaththe twitter people are pure evil, let's just make that clearJun 30 08:21
psydruidbecause there is a danger lurking by leaving a large community of people on the freenode version of the channelJun 30 08:21
CrystalMaththe SJWs are pure evilJun 30 08:21
CrystalMathfreenode is greatJun 30 08:21
CrystalMathAndrew Lee is greatJun 30 08:21
psydruidthey could fork the original project and start their own communityJun 30 08:21
CrystalMathpsydruid: starting their own community is normal, because there's one on literally every networkJun 30 08:22
psydruidI think that is something Andrew Lee hinted atJun 30 08:22
CrystalMathbut they don't have to forkJun 30 08:22
CrystalMathi mean literally every network has a #linux, every network has a #slackware, but these SJW idiots wanted to prevent freenode from having these channels, why?Jun 30 08:22
psydruidCrystalMath, what about leaders of the project who would refuse participation and patches from people who happen to be primarily active on the "wrong" network?Jun 30 08:23
gustafwho set #linux to +M? Was that even a thing? Jun 30 08:23
psydruidyes, evil agendaJun 30 08:24
CrystalMathpsydruid: then there would be a fork, it would mean SJWs own the project - that project must be forked to deathJun 30 08:24
CrystalMathpsydruid: anyone who rejects a good patch because of the person who wrote it is absolutely horribleJun 30 08:24
CrystalMathonly meritocracy should be allowed in FOSSJun 30 08:24
activelowanyway, this is what vendors do at universities: they sell their digital scopes, CAD software, Matlab, and all sorts of things students become accustomed to for "big tech" business later in their carreerJun 30 08:25
psydruidfree software should naturally embrace decentralisation Jun 30 08:25
psydruidalso for communicationsJun 30 08:25
CrystalMathpsydruid: it can only do so while embracing meritocracyJun 30 08:25
CrystalMathand rejecting all SJW ideasJun 30 08:25
CrystalMathbecause for as long as they have SJW ideas, they will not focus on the codeJun 30 08:26
activelowand for FOSS / fsf / gnu etc. to strengthen their position this is where they should be aiming at: not politics, not corporations, it is Universities and students following particular schedules of engineering and scienceJun 30 08:26
CrystalMaththey'll be more concerned with things that they shouldn't be concerned with, and thus cause damage to the projectJun 30 08:26
CrystalMathactivelow: similar case there, i tried many networks, there's an #fsf on all of them, but only one mentioned liberia in the topicJun 30 08:27
gustafactivelow: at least in Sweden, industry is *heavily* involved in technical education at the university level Jun 30 08:27
activelowwhich is the problem gustaf, at least from what i remember with the industry involvedJun 30 08:27
CrystalMathgustaf: i'm not sure if i remember correctly but ##linux was open until the new ircd, then the original chanops leftJun 30 08:27
CrystalMathand it has new ones nowJun 30 08:27
gustafand hte best universities are public so are naturally required to follow national law re: the rights of women and minorities Jun 30 08:27
psydruidactivelow, I'm very much aware of this, I see proprietary software and OSPS creeping into curricula when students would be much better off with actually hackable softwareJun 30 08:28
activelownot creeping into, they are dominatingJun 30 08:28
CrystalMathgustaf: do they also follow that "public" approach when it comes to course materials?Jun 30 08:28
gustafI believe specific "named" projects absolutely have the right to decide what network their official IRC channels should be hosted on Jun 30 08:29
CrystalMathgustaf: they don't have the right to block out the same channel on other networksJun 30 08:29
CrystalMathand they didn't block out their channel on ALL the other networks, just ONE that they had an agenda againstJun 30 08:29
gustafthey do if they're ops... Jun 30 08:29
psydruidand people have the right to fork themJun 30 08:29
CrystalMathgustaf: okay then when you start an IRC network i will go through every letter combination and register it all, then set everything +mJun 30 08:30
CrystalMathyou can't stop me because you believe this is okayJun 30 08:30
CrystalMathgustaf: besides, even liberians disagree with you, they took my channel on liberia because i forwarded to freenode :PJun 30 08:30
gustafLee could have reached out to the biggest projects, explained that Freenode was the better option, addressed the very real concerns re: custody of nickserv accounts etcJun 30 08:31
CrystalMathyour philosophy boils down to "DDoS is okay" because when many chanops in a collective decision to wreck a network deside to deny its users the network's service... that's called a distributed denial of serviceJun 30 08:31
gustafinstead the channels were confiscated Jun 30 08:32
CrystalMathgustaf: no i strongly disagree, there really should be that channel on 300+ networksJun 30 08:32
CrystalMathand the community *SHOULD* be split, because not everyone wants to agree with one particular oligarchy anywhereJun 30 08:32
psydruidI agreeJun 30 08:32
CrystalMathevery IRC channel is an oligarchy, even this oneJun 30 08:32
psydruidthere should be thousands or millions of freenodesJun 30 08:33
gustafwell that's PissnetJun 30 08:33
psydruidbillions even if everyone can run their own serverJun 30 08:33
CrystalMathpsydruid: IRC doesn't really have that many users :PJun 30 08:33
psydruidLong live PissnetJun 30 08:33
CrystalMathso you'd need a network with less than 1 user :PJun 30 08:34
psydruidCrystalMath, make IRC great again :)Jun 30 08:34
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psydruidgreater than it has ever been beforeJun 30 08:34
CrystalMathwell i mean freenode is doing its very bestJun 30 08:35
CrystalMathfreenode has fixed a lot of things that were so wrong with it in the pastJun 30 08:35
CrystalMathlike the lack of free speechJun 30 08:35
CrystalMaththe centralizationJun 30 08:35
activelowmaybe just for fun i register a nick on libera now, and check if anything has changed since year 2017. doubt it has.Jun 30 08:35
CrystalMaththe really awful SJW toxic peopleJun 30 08:35
CrystalMaththose are all gone, and freenode is better without themJun 30 08:36
CrystalMathit's so unfortunate that FOSS is so SJW-infestedJun 30 08:36
psydruidI see Libera as a place for legacy channels and communities with their politics and all, a real continuation of old FreenodeJun 30 08:36
psydruidI don't think anyone believes Libera will grow larger than old FreenodeJun 30 08:37
CrystalMathwell i think the problem is still in FOSS, because it hasn't been fixed thereJun 30 08:38
CrystalMathand that is that the people in FOSS right now have completely lost their wayJun 30 08:38
CrystalMathit used to be that the idea is "let's take away the power of people to control how others use their computers"Jun 30 08:38
psydruidI don't think there is a problem with FOSS per seJun 30 08:38
CrystalMathnow the idea is "let's take the power of rich people to control how others user their computers, and give it to us"Jun 30 08:39
CrystalMathwhich is just horribleJun 30 08:39
psydruidI think there is a problem with current projects popular and visible in FOSSJun 30 08:39
psydruidbut the idea of free software is still very much aliveJun 30 08:39
psydruidwe should just go back to the rootsJun 30 08:39
CrystalMathinstead of freedom and libertarianism, today's FOSS wants a dictatorship of the proletariatJun 30 08:39
CrystalMathCoraline Ada Ehmke is at the forefront of thatJun 30 08:40
CrystalMathshe literally all but said itJun 30 08:40
CrystalMaththis "ethical source" crap is more evil than proprietary softwareJun 30 08:40
CrystalMathbecause at least with the proprietary software, companies had something to worry aboutJun 30 08:40
CrystalMathSJWs are absolutely convinced they have a moral high groundJun 30 08:40
CrystalMathcompanies had money to worry about at least, if they got too evil, they'd lose customersJun 30 08:41
psydruidthat's why I've said Microsoft and IBM can have GNU/Linux and run it into the ground the way they've been doing over the past decade or moreJun 30 08:41
CrystalMathnothing stops the SJWs from being evil, they believe they are right in everything they do, and they believe each other as wellJun 30 08:41
CrystalMathi mean those liberian staffers just said some crap without evidence and all those SJWs believed it immediately, blindlyJun 30 08:42
CrystalMathit's a religionJun 30 08:42
psydruidand involve those people who can't contribute anything but side issues and zero codeJun 30 08:42
psydruidactually free software doesn't need them to thriveJun 30 08:43
CrystalMathit really doesn't, the roots of free software (and open source) are a libertarian ideaJun 30 08:43
CrystalMathwe can live without the SJWs easilyJun 30 08:43
CrystalMathwe just need to make sure that project leaders, and those we give authority, are not SJWsJun 30 08:43
CrystalMathbut like, it's generally important that whoever has any authority in a FOSS project will be truly all-inclusive and absolutely 100% meritocraticJun 30 08:47
CrystalMathwhen i say all-inclusive i mean all the usual stuff + inclusive of people with different politicsJun 30 08:47
lockeanarchistIt's cool that SJWism is a ideology of hate. They hate everyone that don't agree with them.Jun 30 08:48
lockeanarchistand hate is powerfulJun 30 08:48
leahCrystalMath: am i part of this evil agenda too?Jun 30 08:51
CrystalMathleah: i don't think soJun 30 08:51
leahCrystalMath: i dislike andrew lee, dislike freenode (based on the fact that i observed it to now be in the hands of totally incompetent people, who wasted weeks of my time and caused endless headache for countless other projects, with its founder apparently talking on a racist talkshow, repeating alt-right conspiracy theories like pizzagate, etc - i'm not part of the cancelJun 30 08:53
leahcrowd, and was originally sympathetic to lee, until he started acting like a total twit), and i use twitter regularlyJun 30 08:53
leahbut i don't think i'm part of an "unfathomably evil agenda"Jun 30 08:53
CrystalMathah, right, i didn't mean that everyone with a twitter account is evilJun 30 08:53
leahi also recognize that the current libera staff started the whole mess, by leaving freenode and running a smear campaign against it, and i recognize how abusive they can be. i've seen itJun 30 08:53
CrystalMathi mean, freenode staff has a twitter account :PJun 30 08:53
leahlibera staff is absolute shit collectively. some of them are niceJun 30 08:54
CrystalMathi was thinking "twitter people" like Sarah MeiJun 30 08:54
leahno idea who that isJun 30 08:54
CrystalMathshe was tweeting everywhere about how horrible RMS isJun 30 08:54
leahCrystalMath:  initially freenode was on the moral highground. andrew lee had done nothing wrong except be in charge, and his staff mutinied, and suddenly he had to think fast. it's what he and the new freenode staff did after that that that was even worse than anything libera didJun 30 08:54
leahlibera probably had no idea what sort of person lee would turn out to be, in the weeks that followed. they may have even thought he was an ok blokeJun 30 08:55
CrystalMathwhich part to you mean? the l0de radio hour?Jun 30 08:55
leahthey had no real way of knowing. so they simply wanted power, and couldn't have it on freenode, so couped it and made their own network. and their behaviour was very shady, making all sorts of unsubstantiated claimsJun 30 08:55
leahthey even resorted to racism themselves, calling attention to the fact that lee has korean heritage (but is an american citizen)Jun 30 08:56
CrystalMathi mean, i think reopening channels that are closed was a good thingJun 30 08:56
leah"crown prince of korea" give me a breakJun 30 08:56
leahyeah i don't care about the channel hijackings. that's not unethical, just stupid (politically, under the current circumstances)Jun 30 08:56
lockeanarchisttbh, CrystalMath Jun 30 08:56
CrystalMathand the new ircd, while personally it was painful for me to watch freenode classic die, simply because i've grown so used to that software, was not such a bad idea maybeJun 30 08:56
leahfreenode is a basket case nowJun 30 08:56
lockeanarchistwhat's the meaning of freenode today?Jun 30 08:56
lockeanarchistI'm confusedJun 30 08:57
leahlibera started out being the evil ones, but in the weeks that followed, i decided that freenode was worseJun 30 08:57
CrystalMathleah: you were still with freenode after the ircd change, so it must be the LRH interview that changed your mindJun 30 08:57
leahCrystalMath: but i don't think i'm part on an "unfathomably evil agenda" as you put itJun 30 08:57
CrystalMathand i think it didJun 30 08:57
leahCrystalMath: yes, it's that interview that changed my mindJun 30 08:57
leahthe ircd reset was pointless, but not a huge dealbreakerJun 30 08:57
lockeanarchistLRH interciew?Jun 30 08:58
lockeanarchistI'm not american or anglo, what is this?Jun 30 08:58
leahlee is a racist asshole and allows open racism in his networkJun 30 08:58
leahand imo that's badJun 30 08:58
CrystalMathlockeanarchist: Andrew Lee showed up at an interview on L0de Radio Hour, a show i didn't really know exists until recently, but apparently it's been a thing for a long timeJun 30 08:58
leahyou can cite free speech, but the kind of speech allowed can also lead to real harmJun 30 08:58
l0de/fnThanks for tuning in, CrystalMathJun 30 08:59
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CrystalMathoh hi l0de, yeah that was my first episode indeedJun 30 09:00
CrystalMathi had to listen to it audio-only because of internet problems that dayJun 30 09:01
lockeanarchistNever heard of l0de before.Jun 30 09:01
l0de/fnya, generally just a fun late night call in show for irc usersJun 30 09:01
CrystalMath(i used youtube-dl streaming into standard output, and played with mplayer, and i had to switch to format 93 which is audio-only)Jun 30 09:01
leahCrystalMath: i think of freenode and libera like telephone operatorsJun 30 09:02
l0de/fnonly about 100 people listen, it's intentionally kept smallJun 30 09:02
CrystalMathmy internet that day was like 70 KB/sJun 30 09:02
CrystalMathat peak momentsJun 30 09:02
leahthey need to be neutral and allow autonomy to users in their spaces, in channels they set upJun 30 09:02
leahthe only exception should be disallowing harmful behaviour. e.g. abuse, advocating for real life harm, etcJun 30 09:03
l0de/fnI used to post a mp3 with each show, but only about 2 people were using itJun 30 09:03
leahi think libera is perfectly reasonable in this regard. and on libera if you shut down your channel, they don't take it over. staff will let your channel remain shut down, just as they did on old freenode.Jun 30 09:03
l0de/fnon EFnet they don't even do thatJun 30 09:03
CrystalMathleah: oh but they doJun 30 09:03
CrystalMathleah: they took over at least mine and ptx0'sJun 30 09:03
leahi've had instance myself in the past where i wanted to shut down a channel, and lock everyone out of it. in my opinion, i as channel operator should have that rightJun 30 09:03
CrystalMathleah: i think it's a denial of service if it's done en masseJun 30 09:04
CrystalMathand if done by many people, it's a distributed denial of serviceJun 30 09:04
psydruidI think you have that right on your own serverJun 30 09:04
CrystalMathwell on your own server you can just do /dieJun 30 09:04
CrystalMathAndrew Lee did it to freenode classic :PJun 30 09:04
leahi think the chan takeovers will stop though that was jsut a panic response during the initial chaosJun 30 09:05
CrystalMathleah: yeah it was a problem because it was done en masseJun 30 09:05
leahand although i think chanops should have that autonomy i think if a network doesn't agree and does what freenode now does, well that's up to the network operators, but i think it's shortsightedJun 30 09:05
CrystalMathi mean, because people were locking so many, that it was impossible to manually handle itJun 30 09:05
leahyou let people have their own say how they run their channels, and don't interfere they're more likel y to come backJun 30 09:05
leahyou start interfering heavy handed like they have, and more people leaveJun 30 09:06
CrystalMathleah: i've never seen a channel locked down to move to another network before, thoughJun 30 09:06
CrystalMathi've seen a locked down to redirect to another channelJun 30 09:06
CrystalMathon the same networkJun 30 09:06
CrystalMathbut to another network? never... and i've seen projects that movedJun 30 09:06
leahtotally agree with you about coraline and "ethical source" though. those are pure evilJun 30 09:06
CrystalMathfrom EFNet to hugmachine, from EFNet to Hackint, ... i've seen many examples, and they immediately let the old channel live on as unofficialJun 30 09:06
leahstick with GNU GPLJun 30 09:06
psydruidthis was a case of "Carthago delenda est"Jun 30 09:07
lockeanarchistEthical source is just proprietary softwareJun 30 09:07
lockeanarchistyou can't control who can use your softwareJun 30 09:07
CrystalMathlockeanarchist: but proprietary software with a moral superiority complex, that's why it's worseJun 30 09:08
lockeanarchistI think "ethical source" is worse than fake licenses like SSPLJun 30 09:08
CrystalMathi mean, proprietary software writers can be convinced otherwise, ethical source people can'tJun 30 09:09
CrystalMaththey're religiousJun 30 09:09
leahCrystalMath: btw to be clear, i agree that shutting down a channel is stupid, when movingJun 30 09:09
leahi'm leaving all my channels open on freenodeJun 30 09:09
leahbut strongly encouraging people join liberaJun 30 09:09
CrystalMathright, i understandJun 30 09:09
CrystalMathat the end of the day nobody can stop you from leaving the newly unofficial channelJun 30 09:10
leahi feel somewhat guilty for the whole liberia thing. i meant it innocently, because i literally just misread it as that at first, and thought it was daftJun 30 09:10
leahwell maybe other people did the same and spread itJun 30 09:10
leahbut i hope i didn't influence people on calling it thatJun 30 09:10
lockeanarchistFor example, #sway and many other channels just did +m and spammed the channelJun 30 09:10
lockeanarchistJOIN LIBERAJun 30 09:10
lockeanarchistthis is not niceJun 30 09:11
leahi've seen some racist comments in #freenode on fn, calling libera liberia like, in the context of racist rhetoricJun 30 09:11
leahright after saying something about blm or somethingJun 30 09:11
leahlibera is actually latin for "free"Jun 30 09:11
leahit means literally: "free"Jun 30 09:11
leah(as in freedom)Jun 30 09:11
CrystalMathtbh i shuoldn't call it liberia.... to compare libera.crap to a country is an insult to that countryJun 30 09:11
CrystalMathi just use it to not say liberaJun 30 09:12
leahwell liberia the country is actually a nice place, so i hearJun 30 09:12
CrystalMathi've heard of it, it seems okayJun 30 09:12
leahi mean they get byJun 30 09:13
leah 30 09:13
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leahi would advise against calling "liberia"Jun 30 09:13
CrystalMathyeah i know it, it borders MaliJun 30 09:13
leahit makes you look like a racist twatJun 30 09:13
leahand i know you aren't racist, CrystalMath Jun 30 09:13
CrystalMathat first i called it irc.liberal.crapJun 30 09:14
leahtotally up to you thoughJun 30 09:14
CrystalMathor libera.crapJun 30 09:14
leahi actually think libera is ok, personallyJun 30 09:14
CrystalMathMinceR calls it illiberaJun 30 09:14
leahsome of the admins suck, but i can say the same thing about freenode tooJun 30 09:14
leahand their rules are reasonable. i don't really have a problem with themJun 30 09:15
CrystalMathi've also been thinking about insultling things i can backronym OFTC toJun 30 09:15
leahbut i don't drink their kool aid either. i'm not one of those mindless drones that flocked to it immediately. you'll recall that i initially was very critical of them :PJun 30 09:15
CrystalMaththat is correct, but i already knew you're not one of those peopleJun 30 09:15
leahthink for yourselves, don't be sheepJun 30 09:16
CrystalMathi didn't expect you to move there at all reallyJun 30 09:16
leahit's mostly for expediencyJun 30 09:16
CrystalMathi don't really take LRH too seriously (sorry l0de :P)Jun 30 09:16
leahi wanted to have less work to do, so i scrapped my plan to self-host ircd for now, and decided to stick it to freenode. freenode doesn't deserve respect or love right nowJun 30 09:16
CrystalMathat first i wasn't even sure if that's really Andrew LeeJun 30 09:16
leahnot until they make some changesJun 30 09:16
CrystalMathi thought it could be like, voice impersonators just doing some jokeJun 30 09:17
CrystalMathbut i was told by trusted people who are in the know that it is indeed realJun 30 09:17
leahmy rationale is basically that old freenode worked ok for me, the staff never gave me any troubleJun 30 09:17
leahexcept for that thing with jess that one time, but technically she was just enforcing network policyJun 30 09:18
activelowold freenode wasn't ok for me, new one isn't either, and same applies to liberaJun 30 09:18
leahthing is freedom is kinda absolute but there's also pragmatismJun 30 09:18
leahfreedom to be a dick is a thing, but there are also consequences for thatJun 30 09:18
CrystalMathit's not at all a fair comparison, but nazi guards were also "just enforcing policy"Jun 30 09:18
leahand i find it strange, CrystalMath Jun 30 09:18
leahCrystalMath:  you say that the owner of a property can do whatever they like, and on that basis you support lee,Jun 30 09:19
CrystalMathwell i said that in generalJun 30 09:19
leahCrystalMath: yet you criticize libera staff for taking control of one of your channels thereJun 30 09:19
leahso which is it?Jun 30 09:19
leahnot trying to be a dick but you seem to be mentally applying different standards to both sidesJun 30 09:19
CrystalMathno, actually, i told them specifically that i've decided that it's okayJun 30 09:19
CrystalMathbut then it must also be okay for freenode to do the sameJun 30 09:19
CrystalMathand i told this to rasenganJun 30 09:20
CrystalMathhere on #techrightsJun 30 09:20
leahis he here in this channel?Jun 30 09:20
CrystalMathmaybe on the freenode side? but he left at one pointJun 30 09:20
leahwell rasengan is a liabilityJun 30 09:20
leahi tolerated everything until the l0de interviewJun 30 09:21
leahbut come on. the dude's a total basket caseJun 30 09:21
leahnever trust a junkieJun 30 09:21
leahthat's my adviceJun 30 09:21
leahsomeone who isn't in control of themselves and their actions should not be taken seriously, until they sort themselves out and get soberJun 30 09:21
leahspoken from experienceJun 30 09:21
leahin this case "clean" is the correct term to use, rather than "sober"Jun 30 09:22
CrystalMathwell, that's your bias, and you have experience that tells you that, yeah; but i personally don't see anything wrong with Andrew Lee so farJun 30 09:22
leahi'm telling you, he's bad newsJun 30 09:22
*psydruid prefers to see an IRC world with each project having its own irc.$softwareproject.tldJun 30 09:23
leahnow, if he stops using drugs, and maybe reforms, stops tolerating alt-right rhetoric in #freenode, and maybe learns to trust his staff (rather than micromanage them and piss everyone off)... basically be better at his job?Jun 30 09:23
leahwell if he improves, reforms and basically be's more reasonable, i migt consider supporting freenode again. i'm sure others would tooJun 30 09:24
CrystalMathwell i wouldn't say that he micromanagesJun 30 09:24
leahpeople can changeJun 30 09:24
lockeanarchistpsydruid: The problem is creating a new account everytime and configuring it in znc everytimeJun 30 09:24
leahCrystalMath: i have about 80 peolpe in #libreboot on liberaJun 30 09:24
activelowas a service operate Mr. Lee couldn't simply do what he wanted, same applies to libera staffJun 30 09:24
leahand about 5 on freenode (yes, people have been leaving in droves, ever since i abandoned my neutrality - that's why channel hijackings are just dumb, rather than unethicl. people have the choice to leave or stay lol)Jun 30 09:25
leahCrystalMath: 80 peopleJun 30 09:25
leahbefore the libera/freenode split, i had about 150-160 averageJun 30 09:25
CrystalMathoh yeah, it was big, i forgotJun 30 09:25
leahand the global average on old freenode was about 90k connected usersJun 30 09:25
CrystalMathyeah i don't think even the sum of freenode and libera matches thatJun 30 09:25
lockeanarchistthe sad thing is that some people just dropped irc for goodJun 30 09:25
leahlee didn't drain the swampJun 30 09:25
lockeanarchistneither freenode or liberaJun 30 09:26
leahhe stormed the palace and lit it on fireJun 30 09:26
leahthere was nothing wrong at all with old freenode, not in any way that matteredJun 30 09:26
CrystalMathwell if you must know, back in april i was thinking of leavingJun 30 09:27
leahmy only regret is that i initially tried to appease the freenode side. i even joined you in taking #fsf when they left for libera. my rationale at the time was that it would help protect the fsf from trolls. but we were complicitJun 30 09:27
leahand i've since apologized publicly to the fsf, via my twitter pageJun 30 09:27
CrystalMathbecause... the old freenode staff k-lined so many of my friendsJun 30 09:27
CrystalMathousted a nice retrocomputing channelJun 30 09:27
CrystalMathwhich had to leave for LunarIRCJun 30 09:28
CrystalMathi told you about that i thinkJun 30 09:28
leahyesJun 30 09:28
leahi still don't fully understand the details of thatJun 30 09:28
CrystalMathbasically Fuchs and jess joined the channel and started harassing peopleJun 30 09:28
leahthough at th time it did sound like an abuse of powerJun 30 09:29
l0de/fnCrystalMath it's not meant to be taken seriously, it's a comedy programJun 30 09:29
leahoh shit, l0de's hereJun 30 09:29
leahlolJun 30 09:29
psydruidthey were really nice operators for doing thatJun 30 09:29
l0de/fnyes helloJun 30 09:29
CrystalMathl0de: well, that makes sense then :)Jun 30 09:29
l0de/fnI had to come to issue some corrections on the articleJun 30 09:30
CrystalMatha lot of people at techrights seemed to take it very seriously, notably schestowitzJun 30 09:30
l0de/fnI find it highly unscrupulous that he did not clearly mention that it is a satirical comedy programJun 30 09:31
leahracism is racism no matter how you spin it lolJun 30 09:31
l0de/fnor to cast me as a racist when I have been an avowed pro-black for the whole 20+ year run of my showJun 30 09:31
l0de/fnc'est la vieJun 30 09:31
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l0de/fnBut it is an hourlong conversation that everyone is tired ofJun 30 09:32
leahyou're entitled to your views, but not everyone has to like themJun 30 09:33
l0de/fnBut in terms of journalism, it's clear this is just a surface-level hot take by someone with no real understanding of the cultures and individuals involvedJun 30 09:33
l0de/fnI sat this not to insult, but in the hopes that subsequent articles will receive more critical thinking and researchJun 30 09:34
CrystalMathl0de/fn: tbh i was quite unfamiliar with the culture as well, but i get it nowJun 30 09:35
l0de/fnAs the piece reads like a youtube reaction video with little genuine context or new information providedJun 30 09:35
leahl0de you're free to say what you like but idk i checked out your video with andrew leeJun 30 09:35
leahl0de: it was pretty blatant. kinda an eye opener actuallyJun 30 09:36
l0de/fnIt is a fascinating collection of people, and IRC has this weird dynamic where you can have people who are real, legitimate white supremacists engaged in a very productive conversation with antifa members because there's a degree of compartmentalization involved in being in a text-only mediumJun 30 09:37
activelowmaybe the problem is this: the expectations when joining a network to talk to academics and then being confronted with gnaaJun 30 09:37
leahkinda scary too, because it was very high-level. it wasn't, like, the low-grade bigotry you see on /g/Jun 30 09:37
l0de/fnwhat are you even talking about leahJun 30 09:37
l0de/fnwe didn't even talk about race on the show you sawJun 30 09:38
l0de/fnActivelow hasn't that always been a component of any media thoughJun 30 09:38
l0de/fnthere are always some jestersJun 30 09:38
leahl0de don't worry, i'm just surprised you're here in this channelJun 30 09:38
l0de/fnImagine tuning in to ABC news and max headroom pops upJun 30 09:38
l0de/fnor turning the dial and it's some punk rock pirate radioJun 30 09:38
leahl0de so what's that shit about you being the number one negro or something. that's how you introduced yourself in the opening of the interview with leeJun 30 09:39
CrystalMath/fnl0de: tbh i think schestowitz, and myself, originally got the link only being told there's an interviewJun 30 09:39
l0de/fnso you made an aspersion, but you couldn't back it up, that's definitely what I'd call the "Soft-bullying" style of tokenizing problematic people as racist\nazi\whateverJun 30 09:39
CrystalMath/fnwe kinda assumed it was a serious interviewJun 30 09:40
l0de/fnLeah, can you not see the inherrent joke thereJun 30 09:40
leahto be clear, i'm not attacking you. i'm just sadJun 30 09:40
leahi found the interview depressingJun 30 09:40
l0de/fnI see CrystalMathJun 30 09:40
l0de/fnThat makes a lot of senseJun 30 09:40
leahplus i saw the irc chat in the background in the interview and i'm likeJun 30 09:40
leahdudeJun 30 09:41
leahcome onJun 30 09:41
l0de/fnWere you not aware lee was playing a role leahJun 30 09:41
l0de/fnand that I was playing a roleJun 30 09:41
l0de/fnneither of us was speaking in earnestJun 30 09:41
leahl0de yeah i get that you too were also pissing aboutJun 30 09:41
l0de/fnit was two gimmicks dueling back and forthJun 30 09:41
l0de/fnthat's what chat on EFnet looks likeJun 30 09:41
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lockeanarchistthe pizzagate thing was a joke?Jun 30 09:41
l0de/fnit's a vibrant cultureJun 30 09:41
leahi prefer boring, regular conversationsJun 30 09:41
l0de/fnThe point of the whole satire too is that people took freenode too seriouslyJun 30 09:41
l0de/fnlockeanarchist: yes, did you think there really was a galactic federationJun 30 09:42
leahwell freenode was a serious, professionally run network until recentlyJun 30 09:42
l0de/fnleah- Anything marked as an AMA on my channel is a legitimate interviewJun 30 09:42
l0de/fnanything marked as a LRH is notJun 30 09:42
leahokJun 30 09:42
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leahi mean i jsut got a really really bad vibe from your video l0deJun 30 09:43
l0de/fnanyhow, I need to get back to writing, but there's often more beneath the surface of people if you don't just stick a label on them and dismiss themJun 30 09:43
l0de/fngood luckJun 30 09:43
leahsilly me taking things seriouslyJun 30 09:43
leahso l0de can you explain the joke?Jun 30 09:44
l0de/fnI and that show are from a completely different worldview than yoursJun 30 09:45
lockeanarchist/fni stopped when lee said he was a cartel leader wtv, l0de. can't be serious indeedJun 30 09:45
l0de/fnWhich jokeJun 30 09:45
CrystalMath/fnlockeanarchist: even before that i wondered if it's voice impersonators or somethingJun 30 09:45
leahoh, right well you said basically the whole thing is satireJun 30 09:45
leahthat implies it's a jokeJun 30 09:46
CrystalMath/fnbut Lee was thereJun 30 09:46
l0de/fnlockeanarchist: absolutely, but you can still get some insights into his processJun 30 09:46
l0de/fngleaned through the veil of the bullshitJun 30 09:46
leahwhat's the point of the joke?Jun 30 09:46
CrystalMath/fnl0de: i mean, that was Andrew Lee, right?Jun 30 09:46
l0de/fnand to me the things you see through a facade are more revealing because they're nakedJun 30 09:46
l0de/fnCrystalMath: it was actually lil pump and andrew leeJun 30 09:46
CrystalMath/fnoh, the real Lil Pump tooJun 30 09:46
l0de/fnleah it may be one of those things where if you don't understand immediately, you never willJun 30 09:46
l0de/fnbecause there's an underlying set of assumptions that people who like it arrive withJun 30 09:47
CrystalMath/fni've been around the internet enough to sort of get it but not enough to get it immediatelyJun 30 09:47
leahl0de you and i do come from different headspaces i thinkJun 30 09:47
l0de/fnIt's s very niche thing for a v specific audience of hardcore irc nerdsJun 30 09:47
l0de/fnYa, and both spaces are validJun 30 09:47
l0de/fnBut ne'er the twain shall meetJun 30 09:48
leahl0de you know when you walk into an office full of cubicles with programmers hard at work?Jun 30 09:48
leahbut over time a culture develops and people sort of relax a bit and dial down the professionalism. but are still professionalJun 30 09:48
leahwell that's how i treat irc. i treat it like a workplace. i get things done on ircJun 30 09:48
leahthough i do also understand the need to lay back and relaxJun 30 09:49
CrystalMath/fnright, the old freenode was indeed very different from the other IRCsJun 30 09:49
leahl0de i did find some very specific statements offensive though, from both yourself and andrewJun 30 09:49
leahe.g. the pizzagate thingJun 30 09:49
l0de/fnThink of us more as welders \ roofers \ plumbersJun 30 09:49
l0de/fnWhere there is no expectation of professionalism and outright scorn for itJun 30 09:50
l0de/fnand we only respect ability and perspective won through sufferingJun 30 09:50
leahplus, and i know lee said this, not you, in that interview, but the whole "trump best president ever" thing... the dude literally instigated a violent uprising to attempt a coup when he didn't get his own way at the electionJun 30 09:50
leahjust sayin'Jun 30 09:50
l0de/fnyou probably found them offensive because you arrived thinking this was seriousJun 30 09:50
l0de/fnbut it wasn'tJun 30 09:50
CrystalMath/fnwell tbh i honestly disagree that Trump instigated a violent uprisingJun 30 09:51
l0de/fnmy own views are very hard-leftJun 30 09:51
leahl0de even if interpreted as satire, i'm still not comfortable. but let's leave it at thatJun 30 09:51
leahl0de the refrain "can't you take a joke?" is a common thing among those who wish to say fucked up things and get away with itJun 30 09:51
l0de/fnOK, so in that statement you reveal you have a monocular political viewJun 30 09:51
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l0de/fnthis is why it's disconcerting for you, because it's a grab bag of different takes and many don't align with that viewJun 30 09:52
l0de/fnI'm very leery of ascribing blame to people for the actions of othersJun 30 09:54
CrystalMath/fnexactlyJun 30 09:54
l0de/fnwhich can apply to both sides, many legitimate protests are sidelined by agent provocateursJun 30 09:54
CrystalMath/fnl0de: hmm, i have one question... the stuff you said about the old freenode restricting speech, was that a joke too? do you think it was fine before?Jun 30 09:56
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lockeanarchist/fnI remember when I was young, in 2008, that my friends and I were orphans of a IRC network. We entered freenode and did a ##channel that was totally off-topic and not related with free software or a projectJun 30 09:58
l0de/fnNo, it was a much more restrictive environment than I think is healthy, and it lead to a lot of circlejerk\enforced opinion\repressive authority structure situations. You won't see a bunch of trolls actively working on a network unless there are some legitimate grievances there. However, my view is considerably biasedJun 30 09:58
techrights-news"A lot of blind and partially-sighted people use the Fediverse through screen readers, apps that read on-screen text aloud." 30 09:58
lockeanarchist/fnsome operator enterd the channel and kicked us outJun 30 09:58
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lockeanarchist/fnlolJun 30 09:58
l0de/fnI would say that they fell more on the "Way too uptight and occasionally abuses power" axis than legitimate repression like you'd see on a state-run forum or somethingJun 30 09:58
techrights-news#EU directive on copyright #article17 #uploadfilters #SaveYourInternet 30 09:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patrick Breyer: "At 14:45 we will discuss the implementation of th…" - chaos.socialJun 30 09:59
l0de/fnexactly lockeanarchist, I've seen hundreds of things lik ethatJun 30 09:59
l0de/fnand when you start locking horns with staff and applying pressure, you can find out who they really areJun 30 09:59
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lockeanarchist/fnit was a ## channelJun 30 09:59
CrystalMath/fnl0de: okay, and i fully agree with that assessmentJun 30 10:00
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CrystalMath/fnwell saidJun 30 10:00
lockeanarchist/fnbut I'm seeing that they are pretty lax on libera nowJun 30 10:01
CrystalMath/fnlockeanarchist: most of my friends got k-lined from there alreadyJun 30 10:01
CrystalMath/fnone jokingly joined with the nickname CatSocJun 30 10:01
lockeanarchist/fnwhy they k-line your frenz?Jun 30 10:01
CrystalMath/fnk-lined for a weekJun 30 10:01
lockeanarchist/fnCatSoc hahahaJun 30 10:02
lockeanarchist/fnbut, for exampleJun 30 10:02
CrystalMath/fnthe other complained on #ffmpeg about them not supporting 32-bit versionsJun 30 10:02
lockeanarchist/fn#ibmthinkpad on liberaJun 30 10:02
l0de/fnlockeanarchist: they were initially laying low but about 4-5 days in they started locking down social channels in ## namespaces, taking channels, being heavy-handedJun 30 10:02
lockeanarchist/fnis just a /b/ channelJun 30 10:02
lockeanarchist/fn*/g/Jun 30 10:02
CrystalMath/fnl0de: tbh i think they were heavy handed on day 2Jun 30 10:02
l0de/fnkeep in mind my viewpoint will be skewed because I have been warring with these people for decadesJun 30 10:02
CrystalMath/fnlockeanarchist: they don't have a panopticon, that doesn't mean they're lenientJun 30 10:02
lockeanarchist/fnl0de: sadJun 30 10:02
l0de/fnand we both know who the other is, so our experiences will not be typicalJun 30 10:03
l0de/fnI like this whole kind of thing tbqhJun 30 10:03
l0de/fnOne of the big drivers of interesting social groups is offshoots developing from an existing structure that is too repressiveJun 30 10:03
l0de/fnI am in many really good channels that began with the people kicked out of another group making their own thingJun 30 10:04
l0de/fnTheir feelings of rejection cause them to strive to display their best characteristics to the new group, and sometimes they make something really coolJun 30 10:04
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davnit/fnsorry wrong channelJun 30 10:09
lockeanarchist/fnlolJun 30 10:10
CrystalMathwell, i'm going to sleepJun 30 10:12
lockeanarchistlost my night after weeks sleeping in the right timeJun 30 10:13
lockeanarchistdon't know whyJun 30 10:13
gustafCrystalMath: agree 100% that Freenode IRC was different from "regular IRC"Jun 30 10:15
gustafbut as time passed Freenode became relatively larger Jun 30 10:16
gustaffor a lot of now active IRC users, Freenode IRC *is* how IRC should be Jun 30 10:16
gustafand the 180 degree turn to "regular IRC" is disorientingJun 30 10:16
CrystalMathi encountered regular IRC but like really for the first time in like.... hmm... can't seem to rememberJun 30 10:16
CrystalMathi mean my first connection to undernet was in 2006Jun 30 10:17
CrystalMathbut i was a stupid kid then :PJun 30 10:17
gustafI'm with leah, IRC is where stuff gets doneJun 30 10:17
CrystalMathlet me try to remember which was my first non-freenode networkJun 30 10:17
CrystalMathbesides OFTC :PJun 30 10:17
gustafI joined synirc because a channel moved there Jun 30 10:17
CrystalMathoh damn i can't rememberJun 30 10:17
CrystalMathi think i was on rizon since 2019Jun 30 10:18
CrystalMathbut that's not too long agoJun 30 10:18
CrystalMathi've only really been on EFNet and IRCNet since, idk, 2020Jun 30 10:18
CrystalMathand i'm not there all the timeJun 30 10:18
CrystalMathand i mostly talk to the same people i know from elsewhereJun 30 10:18
CrystalMathso i don't really know the culture of EFNetJun 30 10:18
lockeanarchistRizon was my home for yearsJun 30 10:18
lockeanarchistI have irl friends thereJun 30 10:19
CrystalMathi'm familiar with rizonJun 30 10:19
CrystalMathbut like that culture isn't weird to meJun 30 10:19
CrystalMathi just called it "internet culture"Jun 30 10:19
CrystalMathit reminds me of imageboardsJun 30 10:19
lockeanarchistRizon is older than most imageboardsJun 30 10:20
lockeanarchistbut they embraced rizonJun 30 10:20
CrystalMathi'm on LunarIRC since marchJun 30 10:20
CrystalMathmarch this year :PJun 30 10:20
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lockeanarchistbefore that was just anime people so there's a linkJun 30 10:20
CrystalMathi got on EsperNet in like.... 2019?Jun 30 10:21
CrystalMath2019 was when i truly discovered non-freenode IRC i thinkJun 30 10:21
CrystalMathit was a bit of a culture shockJun 30 10:21
CrystalMathso only 2 years, while i have 13 years of freenodeJun 30 10:22
lockeanarchistNon-freenode IRC I discovered when me and my friends were kicked out of our ## channel hahaJun 30 10:22
lockeanarchistSo we found RizonJun 30 10:22
lockeanarchistbut Rizon is very weird indeedJun 30 10:22
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CrystalMathweird? i don't think it's weirdJun 30 10:23
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CrystalMathEFNet is a little weird, because of the whole no services thingJun 30 10:24
gustafI mean, Freenode was started because the other networks werent't a good place for stable channels with clear governanceJun 30 10:24
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CrystalMathbut hey, me and some friends are testing that out, seeing if we can actually keep a channel, and it's working so farJun 30 10:24
CrystalMathgustaf: i really don't know what beef lilo had with DALnet to leaveJun 30 10:25
gustafanyway Lee + friends seem to believe that Freenode "suppressed" IRC, but in truth Freenode was the only remaining bastion of IRCJun 30 10:25
gustafonly nerds and FLOSS groups still use IRCJun 30 10:25
CrystalMathi think maybe he just wanted a separate network for FOSS, which tbh isn't that great of an idea IMOJun 30 10:25
gustafI think for Lee, "FOSS" is just an empty signifieyJun 30 10:26
CrystalMathmany FOSS projects are hosted by classical networksJun 30 10:26
CrystalMaththere are some on EsperNet, tons on EFNet, even UndernetJun 30 10:26
gustafanyway, good talk, IRC at its best (I mean it)Jun 30 10:26
CrystalMath:)Jun 30 10:26
gustafbut now I must earn my keep Jun 30 10:26
CrystalMathi really need to sleep nowJun 30 10:26
CrystalMathit's almost noonJun 30 10:26
CrystalMathi haven't slept at allJun 30 10:27
lockeanarchistare you on europe?Jun 30 10:27
CrystalMathyesJun 30 10:27
lockeanarchistohJun 30 10:27
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lockeanarchistpretty late thenJun 30 10:27
CrystalMathdefinitely i mean i don't know what to do evenJun 30 10:27
CrystalMathi'm gonna sleep at least a little bit, it helps a lotJun 30 10:27
CrystalMathsee youJun 30 10:27
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lockeanarchistbyeJun 30 10:28
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leahsorry, i was afkJun 30 10:33
leahsomeone is pinging me, lemme checkJun 30 10:33
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leah"monocular political view"Jun 30 10:34
leahl0de says i have this. lemme think what that meansJun 30 10:34
leahwell l0de my politics isn't really relevant to anything but basically look at that: 30 10:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Horseshoe theory - WikipediaJun 30 10:35
leahsomeone in fact showed this to me today. and it basically describes my view of the world. i'm pretty laid back :PJun 30 10:35
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techrights-newsSaudi Telecom Co Gets Approval for Planned IPO of Unit 30 10:40
techrights-news"The #ACLU used to stand for that sort of thing, too: Free speech." 30 10:41
leahhmJun 30 10:41
techrights-newsAs if this will solve #racism (but I support this removal harms nobody) 30 10:42
leahgustaf: yeah +1 to what you said about clear governance thingJun 30 10:42
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leahi just want an irc net work that doesn't randomly decide to eat its own fucking head for breakfast because it got bored and wanted to run an experiment one dayJun 30 10:42
Ariadne[04:25:23] <CrystalMath> gustaf: i really don't know what beef lilo had with DALnet to leaveJun 30 10:43
leahi want my irc to just work, and to run my software projects in peaceJun 30 10:43
leahand right now libera is that stabilityJun 30 10:43
Ariadnelilo was not on dalnet, he was on undernet and then started his ownJun 30 10:43
Ariadnethe dalnet people (including me) came later, as a result of dalnet being ddosed into the ground by the guy who started rizonJun 30 10:43
techrights-newsRealising people are "more selfish and uneducated" 30 10:43
leahfreenode can talk about decentralization all it wants. meanwhile, te rest of us actually have projects we'd like to get back toJun 30 10:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tell Us Now: 20 Lessons We Learned From The Pandemic | Cracked.comJun 30 10:43
leahsome of us even have jobs that require us to use ircJun 30 10:43
leahtech jobsJun 30 10:44
Ariadne(at the time nobody knew the rizon guy was the one doing it, but he was eventually arrested and convicted for it)Jun 30 10:44
leahit's not the 90s anymore. we're all mature enough now i think that we can have sane irc networksJun 30 10:44
leahall the stuff that happened with freenode recently reminded me of what the internet was like in the early 2000s when i started using it. it was funny at first but then i realized oh shit, this is terrible for my opsecJun 30 10:45
Ariadneits possible, but theres still a lot of kiddies out there who are shittyJun 30 10:45
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leahand that ircd reset was the most asinine and cringe shit everJun 30 10:45
Ariadnerunning a prodution irc network is a lot of work, dealing with stupid people being stupidJun 30 10:45
leahcan't write a program to convert the database format over to the new software?Jun 30 10:45
leahwell that's just laziness and there is no excuseJun 30 10:46
techrights-newsDanmarks Nationalbank hacked as part of 'the world's most sophisticated [cr]acker attack' 30 10:46
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Ariadnei don't think they had actual acess to the services databaseJun 30 10:46
Ariadnewhich, tbh, was probably a good thingJun 30 10:46
techrights-news#gopkkk now eating itself 30 10:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Abandoned and lost: Trump launches a misguided attack on Mitch McConnell | Salon.comJun 30 10:46
leahwell, sure. lee had domain name access but i'm unclear what actual server access he hadJun 30 10:46
leahdomain access just means you control... dnsJun 30 10:47
techrights-news"real-name requirements discriminate especially against transgender persons. A mandatory requirement to provide official IDs would also prevent transgender persons from using distinct identities and names online." 30 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patrick Breyer: "(2/10) Right to anonymity: real-name requirements…" - chaos.socialJun 30 10:47
*schestowitz backJun 30 10:47
Ariadnebut regardless, a services database filled with stuff that was not relevant anymore (because nearly everyone left) is not useful anywayJun 30 10:48
*schestowitz catched up with 3 hours (was asleep)Jun 30 10:49
schestowitz*catchesJun 30 10:49
schestowitzpsydruid: Sane was on the benchJun 30 10:49
leahAriadne: right now we're all making fun of freenodeJun 30 10:50
schestowitzI suppose losing 7-0 to Spain in a match with Gundogan also wasn't.... well, much of a success storyJun 30 10:50
Ariadnesure, i am just saying that if i were in the same shoes, i could see myself making the same callJun 30 10:50
leahAriadne: if lee was smarter, libera would have lost. it would have maybe some projects, but most would have stayed on freenodeJun 30 10:50
Ariadneleah: if lee were smarter, libera wouldn't have happenedJun 30 10:50
leahno he would have had his cake and eat itJun 30 10:50
leahby taking that riskJun 30 10:51
leahand playing it smartJun 30 10:51
leahyou can thank the cocaine for the fact that now the damage was limited. only *half* of all irc users left irc foreverJun 30 10:51
leahactuallyJun 30 10:51
activelowAriadne: it wasn't at least clarified/verified what data was collected, and staff resigning doesn't relieve from responsibilies eitherJun 30 10:51
leahif lee were clean, and played it smart, freenode would probably still ahve about 90k users right nowJun 30 10:52
Ariadnei can tell you, what data exists in the services databaseJun 30 10:52
Ariadne- usernamesJun 30 10:52
Ariadne- passwordsJun 30 10:52
schestowitz[08:56] <leah> freenode is a basket case nowJun 30 10:52
Ariadne- email addressesJun 30 10:52
schestowitzit lives off its legacy/goodwillJun 30 10:52
activelowi don't believe any single word of yours Ariadne Jun 30 10:52
Ariadne- the occasional phone number, added as an annotationJun 30 10:52
Ariadneactivelow: why, i wrote the softwareJun 30 10:52
leahAriadne: it was pointless chaosJun 30 10:52
Ariadneactivelow: you can look at the code yourselfJun 30 10:53
leahthey did the reset because at that point, they'd already lost so they thought fuck it, let's all have some fun at the expense of whoever is foolish to remainJun 30 10:53
schestowitzThese were also red flags/warning signs of irrational thinking and authoritarians --- >> [09:05] <leah> i think the chan takeovers will stop though that was jsut a panic response during the initial chaosJun 30 10:53
Ariadnethere is very little personal data that is actually collected, other than data manually added by ircops as annotations (marks)Jun 30 10:53
Ariadnethe advice to delete your data in services was largely pointless, imo, because the really concerning data would have been added as marksJun 30 10:54
activelowan elasticsearch affiliate was involved as "part of infrastructure"Jun 30 10:54
activelowAriadne: where in your code could i find relevant hooks?Jun 30 10:55
Ariadnethere is no way to make services talk to elasticsearchJun 30 10:55
Ariadneservices did not have the ability to see any channel messages either (they had usermode +D)Jun 30 10:55
techrights-news"Will be nice to have another competitive online FPS that you can play on Linux (providing you use Stadia that is). Hopefully it's better than the rubbish experience I had trying it on Xbox Cloud Gaming (xCloud)." #microsoft 8s #linux 30 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rainbow Six Siege out on Stadia today, more games confirmed and a big 'mega' sale | GamingOnLinuxJun 30 10:56
leahi love ircJun 30 10:56
Ariadneanyway, the full list of hooks in atheme are here: 30 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-atheme/ at master · atheme/atheme · GitHubJun 30 10:56
leahand some coked up shihhead nearly destroyed itJun 30 10:56
leahthat's all i care aboutJun 30 10:56
leahyes lee caused all this damageJun 30 10:56
leahold staff mutiny and smear campaign against lee was an injustice, sureJun 30 10:57
schestowitzTHIS should be the objective ->> [09:23] * psydruid prefers to see an IRC world with each project having its own irc.$softwareproject.tldJun 30 10:57
leahbut lee acted like a complete dick afterwards and made everything worse for everyoneJun 30 10:57
leahto the point where i actually have forgiven libera staff for their initial transgressionJun 30 10:58
schestowitzCorrection:  :-p there's no "MY" Twitter pages; all the pages are Twitter Inc's and you are just a tenant there --->> [09:27] <leah> and i've since apologized publicly to the fsf, via my twitter pageJun 30 10:59
leahschestowitz: there are benefits to larger networks thoughJun 30 10:59
Ariadnethere are, for nowJun 30 10:59
Ariadnethanks to andrew, the number of discord and slack instances i now have to be in doubled thoughJun 30 10:59
Ariadnefun fact: a company i worked for used slack for paging, so the slack notification sound literally gives me a PTSD response nowJun 30 11:00
leahthat's the damage i was talking about, and lee did thatJun 30 11:00
leahall libera did was hurt freenode a bitJun 30 11:00
leahfreenode shot itself in the foot afterwards though, and hurt irc as a whole, pushed people away from irc altogetherJun 30 11:00
Ariadnelibera didn't hurt freenode, libera was created on the assumption that lee was a bad faith actorJun 30 11:05
techrights-news#System76 has launched Pop!_OS 21.04 with the new COSMIC desktop 30 11:05
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Ariadnethey were rightJun 30 11:05
Ariadneit was the right callJun 30 11:05
Ariadneif libera hadn't been created, the damage to the irc ecosystem would have been much greaterJun 30 11:05
leahusing slack and discord thoJun 30 11:05
leahthat's really not right at allJun 30 11:05
leahthat won't do at allJun 30 11:05
techrights-newsSurreal point & click horror adventure Strangeland released for Linux | GamingOnLinux ⚓ ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in 30 11:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Surreal point & click horror adventure Strangeland released for Linux | GamingOnLinuxJun 30 11:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsJun 30 11:05
leahthose networks are a stain on humanity. irc and matrix are superior, as is xmppJun 30 11:06
*schestowitz gleans over some truly bizarre IRC-related chat...Jun 30 11:06
leahsuperior because free as in freedomJun 30 11:06
leahslack and discord are non-freeJun 30 11:07
leahthough discord in particular seems to have mainstream appeal like irc used toJun 30 11:07
schestowitzIt is fast and lean, and being not as "broad" and "wide" as social control media keeps online wars and noise at bay. Number of users/messages is a bad metric of "success" ->> [10:17] <gustaf> I'm with leah, IRC is where stuff gets doneJun 30 11:08
Ariadnethere are a lot of projects getting stuff done on the proprietary systems, tooJun 30 11:08
leahgustaf: but if old freenode was 90k users and libera is currently 42k, that is clearly damageJun 30 11:08
leah46k actually. it seems to have risen. and sorry, i meant to highlight schestowitz not gustaf Jun 30 11:09
Ariadneand the proprietary systems were already winning in the long term anyway, because irc does not include batteriesJun 30 11:09
*schestowitz learns from Ariadne that lilo was in fact coming from dalnet (the first network I used)Jun 30 11:10
AriadnenoJun 30 11:10
Ariadnehe came from undernetJun 30 11:10
leahi've only ever used freenode before libera, btwJun 30 11:11
Ariadnethe dalnet wave, myself, Isky, Barbicane, MysticOne, etc etc etc came laterJun 30 11:11
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Ariadneas a result of the ddos on DALnetJun 30 11:11
leahexcept for a few obscure networks since, but i first started using irc in the early 2010sJun 30 11:11
leaharound 2012 or soJun 30 11:11
Ariadneyou can get push notifications to your phone from IRC, but it requires either using proprietary IRCCloud, or setting up a bunch of software yourselfJun 30 11:11
Ariadneif we want to win against proprietary replacements, we need to solve *that* problemJun 30 11:12
schestowitz--->  I think it was XRevan86 or Robertson who said there was already a conversion script, a big buggy, but the developers offered to fix it free of charge, through new freenode didn't care and just flushed the whole thing ->>>  [10:45] <leah> can't write a program to convert the database format over to the new software?Jun 30 11:12
Ariadneunfortunately, the ircv3 community is only now starting to understand the importance of thisJun 30 11:12
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schestowitzThey outsourced the risk and the work to tens of thousands of people who actually DID care about freenode -> [10:46] <leah> well that's just laziness and there is no excuseJun 30 11:12
Ariadnebut people want those features, which is why they use the proprietary softwareJun 30 11:12
schestowitzwe 'converted' it for them, manually, person by person, channel by channel (I even had to beg people to op me to be able to do this properly) -->>  <leah> well that's just laziness and there is no excuse Jun 30 11:13
leahi need sleepJun 30 11:14
leahthanks for the chatsJun 30 11:14
Ariadnehave a nice sleepJun 30 11:14
schestowitzIn some contexts there are benefits , sure -> [10:59] <leah> schestowitz: there are benefits to larger networks thoughJun 30 11:15
schestowitzOver time I'm leaning back on the old ways when we had amicable small communities, not emotional train wrecks like TwitterJun 30 11:16
schestowitzAriadne: all notifications bother me, I think they're usually not necessaryJun 30 11:16
schestowitz 30 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ » Blog Archive » Want to be Efficient? Disable Notifications. Read and Reply in Large Batches.Jun 30 11:17
Ariadnethat's you, i've fought tooth and nail for communities to stay on IRCJun 30 11:17
Ariadnepeople want notificationsJun 30 11:17
Ariadnequassel is screwing up againJun 30 11:18
schestowitzFor notification, if someone is really urgent, use landline [11:11] <Ariadne> you can get push notifications to your phone from IRC, but it requires either using proprietary IRCCloud, or setting up a bunch of software yourselfJun 30 11:18
Ariadnenobody cares about that argumentJun 30 11:19
schestowitz[11:14] <leah> i need sleepJun 30 11:19
schestowitzgnJun 30 11:19
schestowitzquassel generates too many notifications, with sound too I noticed, by defaultJun 30 11:19
schestowitzkde4/plasma4Jun 30 11:19
Ariadnei'm going to give irccloud a go, their software is basically open source, but i want to make this no longer my problemJun 30 11:20
Ariadne50 bucks a year seems reasonableJun 30 11:20
schestowitzAriadne: I know people who complain about notificationsJun 30 11:20
Ariadneyou can turn them off :PJun 30 11:20
schestowitzbecause they cannot think straight,  the distraction is endlessless never-ending and can become afddictiveJun 30 11:20
schestowitzbecause they start to associate calm and quiet with lack of popularityJun 30 11:20
schestowitzaJun 30 11:20
schestowitzFOMO kind of thingJun 30 11:20
schestowitzquiet should be time to think clearly, writer, reflectJun 30 11:21
Ariadnewell, in my case, it is because there is a lot of alpine stuff that i miss out on because i don't get the notificationJun 30 11:21
Ariadnei had this kind of working on android, with quasseldroidJun 30 11:21
schestowitzi see....Jun 30 11:21
Ariadnebut the iOS quassel client is just abysmalJun 30 11:21
Ariadneand, i don't care to write my ownJun 30 11:21
schestowitzI didn't know they also do mobile nowJun 30 11:21
Ariadnei looked into the quassel wire protocol and noped outJun 30 11:21
schestowitzI write my own notifsJun 30 11:22
schestowitzfor events that matterJun 30 11:22
Ariadneyes, again, we have different usecasesJun 30 11:23
Ariadne:pJun 30 11:23
schestowitznotify-send --app-name=konversation -t 3500 -u low 'Video done!!!!! Uploading'Jun 30 11:23
schestowitznotify-send --app-name=konversation -t 3500 -u low 'DONE Uploading'Jun 30 11:23
schestowitzI can variables tooJun 30 11:23
schestowitzwhen I post something and I check if it got through to irc okJun 30 11:23
schestowitz echo -n $stage $variable | ./notify-pipeJun 30 11:24
Ariadnestuff like thelounge is also goodJun 30 11:24
schestowitz~$ cat notify-pipe Jun 30 11:24
schestowitz#!/usr/bin/env shJun 30 11:24
schestowitzread notificationJun 30 11:24
schestowitznotify-send --app-name=konversation -t 1500 -u low  "$notification" "$notification" "$@"Jun 30 11:24
schestowitzwhere:Jun 30 11:25
schestowitz    n=$((5 * $remainder - 18 )) # This the number of characters we want to produceJun 30 11:25
schestowitz    variable=$(printf "%0.s●" $(seq 1 $n)) # Fill $variable with $n periodsJun 30 11:25
schestowitz    stage=$(echo -n $remainder && echo -n " - ")Jun 30 11:25
schestowitzit helps make notifications that show me what I really want to know and only when I need to knowJun 30 11:26
schestowitzkonvversation has a neat notification system, but not expressive enoughJun 30 11:26
schestowitzit does have regexJun 30 11:26
schestowitzI think the key point if observing oneself and the notifsJun 30 11:27
schestowitzthen writing down or taking mental notesJun 30 11:27
schestowitz"do I need to know?"Jun 30 11:27
schestowitz"did that interrupt me?"Jun 30 11:27
schestowitz"would I have found our regardless in a moment when not in the middle of something?"Jun 30 11:27
schestowitzthe really urgent things depend on the personJun 30 11:28
schestowitzlike high load on a serverJun 30 11:28
schestowitzIf you cut off 1 hour of distraction a week, that's 2 days in a yearJun 30 11:28
schestowitzcoding some rules custom-made or tailored to one's own workflow should not take more than an hourJun 30 11:29
schestowitzTwitter notification I check 1-3 times per weekJun 30 11:30
schestowitzMINDS once in 2 weeksJun 30 11:30
schestowitzJoinDiaspora sends detailed emails with all the comments attached to my posts, so notifications are not needed at allJun 30 11:30
schestowitzthe email approach is good because you can let it all pile up without losing anythingJun 30 11:31
techrights-news#mintCast 364 – The Better Beta #gnu #linuxJun 30 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | mintCast 364 – The Better Beta – mintCastJun 30 11:32
schestowitzI wrote a bunch of stuff in bash, if anyone wants me to help write some notification rules for him/herJun 30 11:32
schestowitznotify-send is quite universal across desktop environmentsJun 30 11:32
schestowitzlike knotifyJun 30 11:33
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techrights-news"The first release candidate for #WordPress 5.8 is now available!" #cms #gpl #freesw #wwwJun 30 11:34
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techrights-newsNew headline: [Vapourware] "will leave millions of PCs behind, and Microsoft is struggling to explain why" (well, #microsoft just keeps bombarding the media with this crap regardless). We can guess what this helps DISTRACT from, e.g. 30 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | TechrightsJun 30 11:35
techrights-newsIf you think that #MicrosoftLovesLinux then you're not paying attention to what's really going on and what they hope to accomplish: 30 11:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Has Become Almost Extinct in Web Servers (and in Servers in General), But the Mainstream Media Rarely — If Ever — Talks About That | TechrightsJun 30 11:37
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techrights-newsJean-Luc Aufranc (CNXSoft) boosting #microsoft #vapourware again. FFS, Jean-Luc... don't be their "useful idiot"... focus on ACTUAL and REAL products, preferably #gnu #linuxJun 30 11:38
schestowitzdsfdsfsdf_: QWERTY user I take it :-)Jun 30 11:38
techrights-news#PopOS 21.04 With New ‘COSMIC’ Desktop is Available to Download #gnu #linuxJun 30 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pop!_OS Linux 21.04 Released with the COSMIC Desktop, Based on Ubuntu 21.04 | Tux MachinesJun 30 11:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Hybrid work: 3 truths leaders can't ignore | The Enterprisers ProjectJun 30 11:42
techrights-newsMaking #java seem more trendy again by calling it "clown" something... #clowncomputing #programming #redhatJun 30 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Making Java programs cloud-ready, Part 3: Integrate MicroProfile services | Red Hat DeveloperJun 30 11:43
techrights-newsMaking bad ideas "cool" or "trendy"; #apple looking for solutions in search of a problem. And creates new problems! Now you need to CHARGE your HEADPHONES! 30 11:44
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techrights-newsThose are #gnu programs, #redhat , most of them have nothing to do with #linux (which is a #kernel really) see 30 11:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 17 Linux commands every sysadmin should know | Enable SysadminJun 30 11:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GNU Programs Aren’t “Linux Commands” But GNU Programs | TechrightsJun 30 11:47
techrights-news#redhat is no longer a "Linux company". It's an IBM company and it acts accordingly. 30 11:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | TechrightsJun 30 11:47
techrights-news#Games : Rainbow Six Siege, Strangeland, and More • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 30 11:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Games: Rainbow Six Siege, Strangeland, and More | Tux MachinesJun 30 11:48
techrights-newsGoing #Deepin on #Fuchsia | #LINUXUnplugged 412 #gnu #linuxJun 30 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Going Deepin on Fuchsia | LINUX Unplugged 412 | Jupiter BroadcastingJun 30 11:51
techrights-news#RedHat Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 30 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Red Hat Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 30 11:51
techrights-news"Copying everything #apple does" is usually NOT progress. Except the things Apple already copied from #gnu #linux (which innovates better than those oppressive companies where the brain stops working)Jun 30 11:52
techrights-news"Today, I had a few minutes of free time so I decided to install Gentoo. So I decided to do a Stage 3 installation inside a virtual machine, and it didn't seem right to install Gentoo and not also record it." #gentoo #gnu #linux 30 11:57
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techrights-newsWhen #linuxfoundation trash becomes SPAM in 'Linux' blogs see 30 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LFCA: Learn Software Deployment Environments – Part 23Jun 30 12:11
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schestowitzleah: postscript:Jun 30 12:12
schestowitzI think you wanted some of those full-time devs for fsf to tackle high-priority thingsJun 30 12:13
schestowitzand ar1di4ne wanted many packages fixesJun 30 12:13
schestowitzbut it would not scale wellJun 30 12:13
schestowitz1) there are more high-priority projects than devsJun 30 12:13
schestowitzso they cannot efficiently tackle enough, and you don't want some projects of important to receive funding, whereas others get noneJun 30 12:14
schestowitzas for 2), they cannot learn all those programs and their bugs, and moreover they're not familiar with the bugs in the queue (age, severity, duplicates)Jun 30 12:15
schestowitzso the only solution is lots and lots of devs, even if 'just' volunteersJun 30 12:15
schestowitzfor many years red hat staff was happy to adopt and maintain pertinent packagesJun 30 12:16
schestowitzthings sort of changed the moment ibm came in (2018)Jun 30 12:16
schestowitza year later they wanted RMS outJun 30 12:16
schestowitzand then had a round two in March of this yearJun 30 12:16
schestowitzIBM is "king of axes"Jun 30 12:16
techrights-newsRMS: "Right-wing propaganda claims that increasing rates of violent crime result from local policy changes, which in many cases did not really happen." 30 12:17
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techrights-news"I generally do DuckDuckGo searches with the unknown word or acronym along with the context I found it in" #DuckDuckGo is a #scam . Please do not use it and certainly do not encourage others to use it: 30 12:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why You Should Avoid DuckDuckGo (DDG) 2021 Edition, Now Microsoft-Hosted and With Extra Privacy Risks | TechrightsJun 30 12:20
techrights-news#MakuluLinux Flash is Live + Extras ! • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 30 12:20
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techrights-newsHow a college student founded a free and open source operating system • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ 30 12:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How a college student founded a free and open source operating system | Tux MachinesJun 30 12:21
techrights-news9 reasons I love to use the #QtCreator IDE • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #programmingJun 30 12:22
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techrights-newsNow #billBC is talking about #covid19 death toll. After looking the other way in #wembley and pretending all was well! 30 12:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ » Blog Archive » Britain Lost in WembleyJun 30 12:25
techrights-newsNew from RMS: "What do you say about users of WhatsApp? What sApps!" 30 12:26
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schestowitzdowntime...Jun 30 12:32
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schestowitz/fn<Guest90> Ariadne: the hv is down (this is Roy BTW)Jun 30 12:37
schestowitz<Guest90> Ariadne: the hv is down (this is Roy BTW)Jun 30 12:37
schestowitz/fn<Guest90> nm, it's back :-)Jun 30 12:37
schestowitz<Guest90> nm, it's back :-)Jun 30 12:37
schestowitz/fnthankfully just a network glitch, I thinkJun 30 12:38
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techrights-news#OpenZFS 2.1-rc8 Brings Linux 5.13 Compatibility, More Fixes • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 30 12:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | OpenZFS 2.1-rc8 Brings Linux 5.13 Compatibility, More Fixes | Tux MachinesJun 30 12:46
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activelowtwo glitchesJun 30 12:46
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schestowitzactivelow: seems like network-relatedJun 30 12:47
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schestowitz<tr-bridge> [Ariadne/tr] i'm trying to fix the ipv6Jun 30 12:47
schestowitz<tr-bridge> [Ariadne/tr] this is FRR being stupid for certainJun 30 12:47
schestowitz<tr-bridge> [Ariadne/tr] i'm trying to fix the ipv6, there is some bug in my routeserversJun 30 12:47
schestowitz(from the other side of a split)Jun 30 12:47
activelowok. npJun 30 12:48
schestowitzthis is our first time to test the cross-network redundancy in a senseJun 30 12:49
schestowitzinc. the logging, which I can toggle on and off for each networkJun 30 12:49
schestowitzipfs user will recover on its own later, it checks periodically if it's still connectedJun 30 12:49
Ariadnetaking one of the routers out of service so i can reconfigure itJun 30 12:50
schestowitzthanks for the quick reply/response and headsupJun 30 12:50
techrights-news#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 30 12:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 30 12:53
Ariadnegetting pretty tired of cisco tbhJun 30 12:57
schestowitzwhat are the alts?Jun 30 12:58
Ariadnethink i might switch to something else, like juniperJun 30 12:58
schestowitzseems like one evil and another tbhJun 30 12:58
schestowitzin technical termsJun 30 12:58
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schestowitzages ago there was some company called vyatta or somethingJun 30 12:59
schestowitzI forgot their name, haven't heard it in like a decadeJun 30 12:59
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schestowitzthey said they were "open source" and had their own distroJun 30 12:59
activelowstatic routing? bgp? ospf? isn't trivial, ipv6 hurts.Jun 30 13:13
techrights-newsLinks 30/6/2021: Pop!_OS 21.04 Release and MakuluLinux Flash 2021 Desktop • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 30 13:14
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techrights-news#OpenHardware /Modding Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 30 13:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 30 13:15
techrights-newsAudiocasts/Shows: Gentoo, LINUX Unplugged, mintCast, and Full Circle Weekly News • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ 30 13:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Audiocasts/Shows: Gentoo, LINUX Unplugged, mintCast, and Full Circle Weekly News | Tux MachinesJun 30 13:16
techrights-newsBeing all for diversity is fine and good, but in technical projects make sure that technical things are of foremost importance, otherwise they boil or bog down to politics and may fail to accomplish their technical goalsJun 30 13:17
techrights-news#Server : #Docker , #Kubernetes, and More • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #LinuxJun 30 13:17
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techrights-newsToday’s 🅣🅤🅧 🅜🅐🅒🅗🅘🅝🅔🅢 Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 30 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 30 13:18
schestowitzOK, now I have time to do articles/videos before work...Jun 30 13:18
schestowitzwrote 6 steps for future IRC outagesJun 30 13:19
schestowitzto make sure we can minimise the effectJun 30 13:19
schestowitzwe're looking into how to gemini-fy wikisJun 30 13:20
schestowitzno person has written software for that, it would seem....Jun 30 13:20
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schestowitz<lightbringer> 30 075012 < XRevan86> schestowitz: Regarding freenode and money, it kind of didn't have money thrown at it, the people who ran it weren't employed. Of course now it's a commercial company through and through, but that's not exactly the result of money throwing.Jun 30 13:48
schestowitz<lightbringer> it was set up in a way that made it dependent on money anywayJun 30 13:48
schestowitz<lightbringer> even back in the PDPC daysJun 30 13:48
schestowitzpasted for logsJun 30 13:48
schestowitzyes, well... FN is an unknown nowJun 30 13:49
lightbringerand yes, GNU needs savingJun 30 13:49
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schestowitzthe question is how...Jun 30 13:49
schestowitzit has been under attack for decadesJun 30 13:49
schestowitzand it's not the fault or RMSJun 30 13:50
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gustafis the main server down? Jun 30 13:50
schestowitzhi gustafJun 30 13:50
schestowitzrouter issuesJun 30 13:50
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gustafok I see Jun 30 13:51
schestowitzit's being worked onJun 30 13:51
schestowitzbut... at least we get to test situations like these, where we have falloverJun 30 13:51
freed00mboth www and irc, .116 and .117Jun 30 13:51
schestowitzyes, it's the HVJun 30 13:51
schestowitzits connectionJun 30 13:51
lightbringernot sure about that -- they have yet to push back against systemd, for exampleJun 30 13:52
lightbringerthe last time they pushed back against OSPS was long ago, with mono, afaikJun 30 13:52
schestowitznow the canJun 30 13:52
schestowitzbecause IBM already said upfront, no money for FSFJun 30 13:52
schestowitzeven with mono they minced wordsJun 30 13:52
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schestowitzwhile the network of hv is in flux we can use this channelJun 30 13:53
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schestowitztest bridgeJun 30 13:53
schestowitz/fntest bridgeJun 30 13:54
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lightbringer/fn30 083825 <~schestowitz> I remember when ROBBER BARON Bill Gates (GENIUS!) lectured us all on "gentle capitalism!"Jun 30 13:54
lightbringer30 083825 <~schestowitz> I remember when ROBBER BARON Bill Gates (GENIUS!) lectured us all on "gentle capitalism!"Jun 30 13:54
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Ariadnebifurcated the network into an ipv4 and ipv6 segmentJun 30 13:54
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] bifurcated the network into an ipv4 and ipv6 segmentJun 30 13:54
lightbringer/fntaking over your property, gentlyJun 30 13:54
lightbringertaking over your property, gentlyJun 30 13:54
lightbringer/fnenslaving you gentlyJun 30 13:54
lightbringerenslaving you gentlyJun 30 13:54
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Ariadneso i can debugJun 30 13:54
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] so i can debugJun 30 13:54
lightbringer/fndestroying your livelihood gentlyJun 30 13:54
lightbringerdestroying your livelihood gentlyJun 30 13:54
schestowitz/fn[13:54] <lightbringer> 30 083825 <~schestowitz> I remember when ROBBER BARON Bill Gates (GENIUS!) lectured us all on "gentle capitalism!"Jun 30 13:54
schestowitz[13:54] <lightbringer> 30 083825 <~schestowitz> I remember when ROBBER BARON Bill Gates (GENIUS!) lectured us all on "gentle capitalism!"Jun 30 13:54
schestowitz/fngentle geniusJun 30 13:54
schestowitzgentle geniusJun 30 13:54
schestowitzexcellent, Ariadne, and thank youJun 30 13:54
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] excellent, Ariadne, and thank youJun 30 13:54
schestowitz"I predict that companies will buy laws to give them immunity. That's the plutocratic way of life." 30 13:55
tr-bridge[schestowitz/tr] "I predict that companies will buy laws to give them immunity. That's the plutocratic way of life." 30 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 2021: March - June Political Notes - Richard StallmanJun 30 13:55
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lightbringer/fndestroying IT gentlyJun 30 13:56
lightbringerdestroying IT gentlyJun 30 13:56
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techrights-newsIs #remmina useful for your daily work? • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 30 14:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Is remmina useful for your daily work? | Tux MachinesJun 30 14:01
MinceR30 091202 < CrystalMath> what do you then?Jun 30 14:01
MinceRyou could unlock themJun 30 14:01
MinceRand make it clear that letting people know where the official channels are going is acceptable, but preventing talk in the channels they're leaving is notJun 30 14:01
MinceRyou can also wait for the process to endJun 30 14:02
Ariadnelearning a lot about JunOS routing todayJun 30 14:08
Ariadnethe hard wayJun 30 14:08
Ariadnethanks ciscoJun 30 14:08
Ariadnethankfully, i already decided to upgrade the hardware, but i was planning to uhh, do this on siteJun 30 14:09
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Ariadnewithout remote (e.g. idiotic) handsJun 30 14:09
schestowitzah... so maybe forced upgradeJun 30 14:09
schestowitzlike leaving freenode for self-hostedJun 30 14:09
MinceR30 101456 < leah> some of the admins suck, but i can say the same thing about freenode tooJun 30 14:12
MinceRyes, but there are other choicesJun 30 14:12
MinceRthere's no reason for people to be hostages of illibera, oftc or freenodeJun 30 14:12
schestowitzit's the clown computing situationJun 30 14:13
schestowitzwith this I can talk to the adminJun 30 14:13
schestowitznot check the twitter account of azure/aws/google and BEGJun 30 14:13
schestowitzmainframes were on-site tooJun 30 14:13
schestowitzso you could repair or ask ibm for helpJun 30 14:13
schestowitzthis issue was tackled quickly, I think, given that it involved hardware/network issues, as was also the case when HE had some issues with their equipment and there was a way to work around itJun 30 14:15
schestowitz[14:16] <tr-bridge> [MinceR/tr] 30 102747 < CrystalMath> because... the old freenode staff k-lined so many of my friendsJun 30 14:19
schestowitz[14:16] <tr-bridge> [techrights-news/tr] Interview to Hossein Nourikhah #documentfoundation #LibreOfficeJun 30 14:19
schestowitz[14:16] <tr-bridge> [MinceR/tr] it might be a good idea to post logs of thatJun 30 14:19
schestowitzit might be usefulJun 30 14:19
schestowitzI might write long articles about the IRC situation next montJun 30 14:20
Librarian 30 14:20
LibrarianJust a useful reminder that, if something's going to be connected to the internet, it should:Jun 30 14:20
LibrarianA. Use open-source codeJun 30 14:20
LibrarianB. Use mature, supported software, rather than one-off implementationsJun 30 14:20
LibrarianBecause this allows:Jun 30 14:21
Librarian1. Community-wide inspection and testing of the code, andJun 30 14:21
Librarian2. Community-provided updates, faster than a single entity can provide the.Jun 30 14:21
Librarian*them.Jun 30 14:21
schestowitz“Headlining the power management updates for the Linux 5.14 merge window is the Intel P-State CPU frequency scaling driver now being adapted to handle hybrid processors” 30 14:22
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tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] 30 114411 < Ariadne> (at the time nobody knew the rizon guy was the one doing it, but he was eventually arrested and convicted for it)Jun 30 14:25
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] wasn't he convicted for DDoSsing other systems (not DALnet)?Jun 30 14:25
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] the conviction included DALnetJun 30 14:25
schestowitzDon't know...Jun 30 14:25
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] i've found very little on him DDoSsing DALnetJun 30 14:25
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] afaikJun 30 14:26
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] ::/0                 blackhole [static_default_v6 13:24:57.647] * (200)Jun 30 14:26
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] and yet,Jun 30 14:26
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] the stupid fucking distribution router does not see the defualt routeJun 30 14:26
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] wtfJun 30 14:26
*tr-bridge [Ariadne/tr] debates just hacking it for nowJun 30 14:27
schestowitzI noticed some machines can access some things, some cannot, but I don't know whyJun 30 14:27
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] ipv6Jun 30 14:27
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] i just hackfixed it for nowJun 30 14:27
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] 30 115451 < Ariadne> the advice to delete your data in services was largely pointless, imo, because the really concerning data would have been added as marksJun 30 14:28
tr-bridge[MinceR/tr] do marks remain if you drop your account?Jun 30 14:28
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] sip-sfo1-dist-core#configureJun 30 14:28
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] sip-sfo1-dist-core(conf)#ipv6 route ::/0 2602:fd37:fff:1::eJun 30 14:28
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] sip-sfo1-dist-core(conf)#exJun 30 14:28
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] yes, marks remainJun 30 14:28
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] the marks are things like "contact <phone number> for urgent issues"Jun 30 14:28
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] e.g. for group contactsJun 30 14:28
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] i mean its all moot now since the database is allegedly destroyed i guessJun 30 14:29
tr-bridge[gustaf/tr] Ariadne: I can't remember in what forum, but I raised the issues faced by IRC in the modern world (persistent connection, mobile support etc etc) and was blithely told that ircv3 will fix all of thatJun 30 14:29
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] ircv3 has plumbing to fix some of it, and more is comingJun 30 14:30
tr-bridge[Ariadne/tr] but convincing people to stay in the game instead of switching to proprietary options, is the challengeJun 30 14:30
tr-bridge[gustaf/tr] let's face it , the IRC user experience is janky AFJun 30 14:31
tr-bridge[gustaf/tr] compared to something like DiscordJun 30 14:31
Librarian 30 14:31
LibrarianIn the, "missing-the-point-entirely" department, here's an example of a guy opposing both software freedom and economic freedom.Jun 30 14:31
tr-bridge[gustaf/tr] and sure, they're closed source and VC subsidize,d but they can afford to have a team of people just polishing UIJun 30 14:32
tr-bridge[gustaf/tr] UX ratherJun 30 14:32
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schestowitzVista XJun 30 14:33
schestowitzUser XJun 30 14:33
schestowitzexperience = xJun 30 14:33
schestowitzx is more exciting than an eJun 30 14:33
schestowitzlike "blue e"Jun 30 14:33
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techrights-news#zemlinPAC super-pumped to bring back the cash cow at the expense of people's safety ttps:// see 30 14:38
tr-bridge[techrights-news/tr] #zemlinPAC super-pumped to bring back the cash cow at the expense of people's safety ttps:// see 30 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Linux Foundation, With Over 124 Million Dollars in Annual Revenue, is in Trouble Because of the Pandemic, So It’s Trying to Reinvent Itself as Training and Certifications Outfit | TechrightsJun 30 14:38
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Ariadnegustaf: yes, but irccloud at least demonstrates it is possible to make all of this workJun 30 14:40
Ariadnedespite being SaaS, it is at least FOSS-friendly SaaSJun 30 14:41
techrights-newsAn #EPYC escape: Case-study of a #KVM breakout #securityJun 30 14:41
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techrights-newsVenice GW7100 compact industrial SBC packs one Gigabit Ethernet port, one mPCIe socket - CNX Software ⚓ ䷉ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware | more in 30 14:43
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gustafyeah Jun 30 14:43
gustafI e-know a bunch of people who use irccloudJun 30 14:44
gustafbanning it was another weird decisionJun 30 14:46
gustaf(banning it from Freenode)Jun 30 14:47
techrights-newsSurreal point & click horror adventure Strangeland released for Linux | GamingOnLinux ⚓ ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in 30 14:47
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techrights-newsTop-down stealth escape horror The Equinox Hunt is now on Linux | GamingOnLinux ⚓ ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in 30 14:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Top-down stealth escape horror The Equinox Hunt is now on Linux | GamingOnLinuxJun 30 14:47
techrights-news"Free Game Wednesday? Yup! How about short, intriguing and incredible looking pixel-art mystery adventure with How We Know We're Alive. Missed this one originally as it didn't mention Linux in the announcement trailer but it seems it did release for Linux too!" 30 14:48
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schestowitzgustaf: maybe because of a tweetJun 30 14:50
schestowitz'dissing' the "king of overdraft"Jun 30 14:50
activelowmr. lee said the old database was not destroyed, it was not migrated intentionally, had to dig inside logs where and when he said itJun 30 14:51
techrights-newsThey overuse the term "edge" now... like they did clown 30 14:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Imaging at the Edge | SUSE CommunitiesJun 30 14:52
techrights-news#google tired of #microsoft abuses see 30 14:53
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techrights-newsThe Big Set Of Networking Changes For Linux 5.14 - Phoronix ⚓ ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in 30 14:55
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Ariadneanyway enough hack fixes for nowJun 30 14:58
AriadneARIN is assigning a new /22 todayJun 30 14:59
Ariadnei will need to return the /24 soonJun 30 14:59
Ariadneso we should plan on renumbering soonJun 30 14:59
schestowitzis that better timed to coincide with today's swap?Jun 30 15:00
schestowitzFor reasons unknown to me, maybe ipv6 or dns, on some machines I cannot access the sites, ssh seems to work ok, irc has settledJun 30 15:01
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techrights-newsThis low-cost device uses tinyML on Arduino to detect respiratory diseases in pigs | Arduino Blog ⚓ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in 30 15:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | This low-cost device uses tinyML on Arduino to detect respiratory diseases in pigs | Arduino BlogJun 30 15:15
techrights-news#Rakudo #compiler , Release #147 (2021.06) #programming #raklangJun 30 15:16
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techrights-newsPop!_OS 21.04 Released with New GNOME-based COSMIC Desktop 30 15:20
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techrights-news#micosoft = knockoffs, vapourware, and bribed press/paid-for media coverage 30 15:22
techrights-news#Games : Equinox Hunt and How We Know We’re Alive • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 30 15:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Games: Equinox Hunt and How We Know We're Alive | Tux MachinesJun 30 15:23
techrights-news#Kernel : Networking Changes For Linux 5.14 and #Intel Stuiff • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #GPL #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 30 15:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kernel: Networking Changes For Linux 5.14 and Intel Stuiff | Tux MachinesJun 30 15:24
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* gives channel operator status to bridgeJun 30 15:37 seems down for meJun 30 15:42
*XRevan86/fn reads the backlog where CrystalMath is twisting things to fit his idea of who's a good guy again.Jun 30 15:42
XRevan86/fnI cannot connect to for some reason. At least the bridge's working.Jun 30 15:43
CrystalMathi can connect, the bridge seemed down for a bit, but itself doesn't workJun 30 15:44
CrystalMathwhich is a bigger problemJun 30 15:44
XRevan86/fnI tried to connect, failed, then restarted the bridge and entered through freenode.Jun 30 15:44
MinceRmy client could automatically reconnect to irc.techrights.orgJun 30 15:48
kingoffrancefunny, i couldnt connect to for almost an hour (was AFK, just based on timestamps), now in past 20 minutes magically came back up lolJun 30 15:49
kingoffranceif you wait long enough, i predict it will magically fix itselfJun 30 15:49
kingoffranceits the in/out crowd :D  </sarcasm>Jun 30 15:50
CrystalMathXRevan86: yeah i remember i was ranting something before going to sleepJun 30 15:50
CrystalMathbut i think it was probably at least halfway coherentJun 30 15:50
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AriadnehehJun 30 15:52
MinceRah yes, the good old in-out-in-outJun 30 15:53
kingoffrancei just mean, wait and see if everyone can get in at once, or is it going to be "split" temporarily.Jun 30 15:55
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AriadneCrystalMath: i fixed itJun 30 16:05
AriadneCrystalMath: i did not properly bifurcate my networkJun 30 16:05
Ariadneunfortunately, IOS-XR BGP was crashing hard due to whatever crap one of my IPv6 peers was sending itJun 30 16:06
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MinceRlolJun 30 16:10
Ariadnedue to a BGP path with AS 0 in itJun 30 16:23
AriadneamazingJun 30 16:23
XRevan86No matter when I decide to sleep, there are risks of a hole in local logs.Jun 30 16:29
Ariadneblame the jackass who decided to announce AS 0 into the BGP tableJun 30 16:30
XRevan86 30 16:32
techrights-news"The biggest reason why Gmail and similar email providers can not be trusted to protecting users’ privacy is that they can share users’ data if demanded by the Governments through the courts." 30 16:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Top Private & Secure Email Providers [2021]Jun 30 16:38
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techrights-newsTop 10 Best Linux Server Distributions in 2021 • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ 30 16:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Top 10 Best Linux Server Distributions in 2021 | Tux MachinesJun 30 16:39
techrights-newsTop Private & Secure Email Providers [2021] • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ 30 16:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Top Private & Secure Email Providers [2021] | Tux MachinesJun 30 16:39
CrystalMathAriadne: yeah it works nowJun 30 16:41
techrights-news"For this blog post, I’ll be introducing the GNOME and Librsvg from a newcomer’s perspective, aimed towards other newcomers or prospective newcomers, and going over how I chose to work on Librsvg." 30 16:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How I chose Librsvg and First Steps for Contributing – /maddsJun 30 16:41
techrights-newsCOSMIC desktop environment makes its debut with release of Pop!_OS 21.04 Linux distribution 30 16:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Pop!_OS Linux 21.04 Released with the COSMIC Desktop, Based on Ubuntu 21.04 | Tux MachinesJun 30 16:47
schestowitzI was goint to say the same, CrystalMathJun 30 16:47
schestowitzBut i assumed there was still work underwayJun 30 16:47
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techrights-newsGoogle brings Chrome OS Linux support to Intel 6th Gen ‘Skylake’ processors 30 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Too little, too late: Linux app support is finally coming to Skylake Chromebooks | Tux MachinesJun 30 16:51
techrights-news#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 30 16:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 30 16:52
techrights-news"initial results of a first-of-its kind survey released today by Canonical, the publishers of Ubuntu." 30 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 85% of Enterprises Have Yet to Cross the Chasm to FullJun 30 16:54
techrights-news|The Next Critical Talent Shortage Won’t Be Fortran" 30 16:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Code as Infrastructure – O’ReillyJun 30 16:55
techrights-news" #Qt is looking for speakers, collaborators and industry thinkers to share their expertise and thoughts with the community in the upcoming Qt World Summit Online, November 3, 2021." 30 16:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Call for Presentations for Qt World Summit 2021Jun 30 16:56
techrights-news"This refreshed release comes with support for Windows and Linux" 30 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apogee Entertainment surprise releases Secret Agent HD, a remaster of the 90s classic | GamingOnLinuxJun 30 16:58
techrights-news#Radeon Pro Software for Enterprise 21.Q2 for Linux Driver Released - Phoronix ⚓ ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in 30 16:59
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techrights-newsStadia vs. Shadow Cloud Gaming: Which is better? | Android Central ⚓ wrong way to do cross-platform for games, even if the server side runs #gnu #linuxJun 30 17:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Stadia vs. Shadow Cloud Gaming: Which is better? | Android CentralJun 30 17:02
techrights-news#Linux 5.14 Ready With Light Sensor + Human Presence Detection For Newer AMD Laptops • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #Kernel #TuxMachinesJun 30 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux 5.14 Ready With Light Sensor + Human Presence Detection For Newer AMD Laptops | Tux MachinesJun 30 17:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Mint Monthly News – June 2021 | Tux MachinesJun 30 17:06
techrights-newsTiny i.MX8M Mini SBC serves up mini-PCIe with PoE-enabled GbE ⚓ ䷉ #LinuxGizmos #Hardware #Devices #GNU #Linux | more in 30 17:08
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techrights-news#DeepinLinux Adds #Android App Support • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #chinaJun 30 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Deepin Linux Adds Android App Support | Tux MachinesJun 30 17:09
AriadnehehJun 30 17:27
cybrNaut/fnXRevan86: you mentioned a TLS 1.2 CVE yesterday.  Do you still have that link handy?  this channel is high volume so it scrolled past my buffer sizeJun 30 17:28
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DaemonFCAmazon bumped up my orders again. I'm going to be out this evening so I canceled them and it said oh we'll try but no promises.Jun 30 17:31
DaemonFCThey sell some things that you just can't buy in the stores.Jun 30 17:31
DaemonFCCOVID left half the businesses in Illinois closed forever. Amazon did way better than fine.Jun 30 17:31
kingoffrance ?Jun 30 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | CVE-2021-3449Jun 30 17:33
cybrNaut/fnthanks kingoffrance, that's what I was afterJun 30 17:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Former Lake County State’s Attorney Michael Nerheim appointed to judgeship - Chicago TribuneJun 30 17:48
DaemonFCRight after being voted out of office, they appointed him as a judge, where he can't be voted out unless he loses a retention question years from now.Jun 30 17:49
DaemonFCThe crooks and liars who run this county just can't be stopped. You smack them down one place and they just pop up somewhere else.Jun 30 17:50
DaemonFCIt's whack a mole.Jun 30 17:52
DaemonFCYou lose an election and get a promotion. Judge outranks prosecutor because the judge ultimately decides what happens.Jun 30 17:53
DaemonFCschestowitz, I guess I'll ship my computer today.Jun 30 17:54
DaemonFCThe NTFS support in Linux seems to have gotten better. I backed everything up just in case.Jun 30 17:54
DaemonFCI hope they can fix it quickly. Lenovo says 10-15 days turnaround, but some people say they didn't get their computer back for a month or more. At some point, Lenovo says if they can't fix it they just send you a new computer.Jun 30 17:55
DaemonFCIf it's taking too long or you keep complaining that they didn't fix it and they grow tired of tearing it apart and trying to figure it out.Jun 30 17:55
DaemonFCI did a Zoom test call on my laptop with Fedora and it seems to work okay.Jun 30 17:56
DaemonFCI doubt this one will be in the repair bay by September 13th, but I also have a doctor visit on July 12th.Jun 30 17:56
DaemonFCMissing that wouldn't get me contempt of court, but he's a good doctor.Jun 30 17:57
DaemonFCHe's getting kind of up there though. I hope he doesn't retire for a while. It's like everything else. All of the smart people, all of the ones who do a good job and care, they're retiring.Jun 30 17:57
DaemonFCEven down to the truck drivers. CNN reports that gas stations will run out of gas soon because nobody wants to work anymore.Jun 30 17:58
DaemonFCThe ones that are old just said "That's enough of this." and retired and now they can't get gas to the gas stations to meet peak demand.Jun 30 17:58
DaemonFCschestowitz, I'm wondering about lightweight virtualization on Linux.Jun 30 18:01
DaemonFCI'm not aware of any distributions that have a feature that truly wall off the browser into a dedicated browsing environment.Jun 30 18:02
DaemonFCExcept maybe Chrome OS.Jun 30 18:03
DaemonFC 30 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Robinhood slapped with biggest-ever penalty by Wall Street regulator - CNNJun 30 18:05
DaemonFCLOLJun 30 18:05
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DaemonFCThe "trading app" got hit with a record $70 million fine from the federal government for illegally locking traders out to stop their own losses.Jun 30 18:06
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kingoffrancei dont know about lightweight, but isnt that somewhat what stuff like  is about?    sectioning various things off into compartments.  theres a couple such osJun 30 18:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Qubes OS: A reasonably secure operating system | Qubes OSJun 30 18:08
DaemonFCAll of these app CEOs think they're above the law and will remain that way forever.Jun 30 18:09
kingoffrancewhenever hw virtualization became prevalent, a couple such os appeared IIRCJun 30 18:09
DaemonFCGovernments are tightening the noose on Bitcoin and people go right on trading it.Jun 30 18:09
kingoffrancei mean, i have no idea if those are meant for non-admins, or people who dont want to tinker with things, etc.Jun 30 18:10
kingoffrancejust that they existJun 30 18:10
DaemonFCMexico just locked out their banks from conducting any transactions involving crypto and China cut off the power to the part of the world with the most "mining" because they realize that not only does it threaten their own economy, but it also wastes a lot of electricity.Jun 30 18:10
DaemonFCThe UK is banning entire exchanges now.Jun 30 18:11
kingoffranceand you could basically do such on any distro perhaps, just "manually"Jun 30 18:11
DaemonFCThe trend is towards more regulations and maybe even bans, so this crypto bubble is completely unraveling and the only reason it hasn't popped entirely is because people are trying to pump it still.Jun 30 18:11
DaemonFCGovernments that normally don't want to work together on much at all, all realize that they'll lose their collective control over the world's transactions if they don't work together to fight off crypto.Jun 30 18:12
DaemonFCSo they are. It may not look coordinated, but it is.Jun 30 18:13
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kingoffrancereally, stuff like openbsd pf you could make rules for a user IIRC, and give separate apps separate user/group/homedir/etc.   just "manually" is perhaps a bit of work;   freebsd jails, etc.   even without virtualization, "manual" is perhaps better than nothing, if you have the time/patience to set it all upJun 30 18:14
kingoffrancei guess its "containers" nowadaysJun 30 18:14
DaemonFCBetween trading and crypto, if it looks like this is all an attempt to take us back to fiat money-only and the state of trading before apps, that's because that's what this is.Jun 30 18:14
DaemonFCThey want this to be inside baseball stuff where you need to go through them to conduct research and execute orders.Jun 30 18:15
kingoffrancei always wanted to play with that  but never had a use-caseJun 30 18:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | OpenBSD PF: User Shell for Authenticating Gateways (authpf)Jun 30 18:15
DaemonFCRetail banking shows very little profit these days. Most of the profits on deposit banking are fines and fees that they can cook up.Jun 30 18:15
DaemonFCThe real estate market is now on the verge of another 2008-style collapse.Jun 30 18:16
DaemonFCschestowitz, The CDC and Illinois say the eviction moratorium ends on July 31st.Jun 30 18:16
DaemonFCSo everyone in Illinois (and most of the country for that matter) who hasn't become current on their rent, is liable to be evicted August 1st or later.Jun 30 18:16
DaemonFCIt'll really be at whatever pace their local sheriff can enforce it.Jun 30 18:17
DaemonFCSome will be that day, some will be months later.Jun 30 18:17
DaemonFCBut it's finally going to happen.Jun 30 18:17
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kingoffrancei mean, distros wall off "daemons" this way is common for a long time, to give different daemons different users/groups/etc.   you can do that with any program, if you have the patience to set it upJun 30 18:17
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kingoffrance" all realize that they'll lose their collective control over the world's transactions if they don't work together to fight off crypto."   i dunno, i thought some gov wanted their own eventually, or there are lots of articles kept saying that.   fight off anything they dont authorize, yes.Jun 30 18:26
kingoffrancelots of that probably hype, but im not sure they want to kill of all crypto coins, just eventually replace the non-gov onesJun 30 18:28
kingoffrance*that is   *offJun 30 18:29
DaemonFCYes, and the architecture of NT is deficient in that way too.Jun 30 18:31
DaemonFCThe system services either have a lot of permissions or they don't have many at all.Jun 30 18:31
DaemonFCMicrosoft went a "different" way with isolation of permissions with levels of "integrity", and for legacy reasons you can't really contain many of the ones that were already there at the time (2006).Jun 30 18:32
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leahworst thing ever: you wake up, and want coffee but there is no milkJun 30 18:54
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leahschestowitz: i'll have to think about what you've advised earlier. thanks again for the chats. sorry i had to duck out earlier, was very tiredJun 30 18:55
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MinceR30 185049 < DaemonFC> The crooks and liars who run this county just can't be stopped. You smack them down one place and they just pop up somewhere else.Jun 30 19:05
MinceRthey can be stopped with a revolutionJun 30 19:05
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Ariadnegood to see that robinhood got smacked by a FINRA fineJun 30 19:17
Ariadnetheir operation is really sketchJun 30 19:17
MinceRthey're not the only trading platform that manipulates the stock market thoughJun 30 19:19
DaemonFCThe appeals court let Bill Cosby out of prison.Jun 30 19:19
MinceR30 200540 < MinceR> 30 185049 < DaemonFC> The crooks and liars who run this county just can't be stopped. You smack them down one place and they just pop up somewhere else.Jun 30 19:19
MinceR30 200545 < MinceR> they can be stopped with a revolutionJun 30 19:20
DaemonFCBut we're going after Ryan for a traffic violation that the cops didn't even see.Jun 30 19:20
DaemonFCMinceR, It's a good old boys club.Jun 30 19:20
DaemonFCThe promotion tocircuit judge was a golden parachute after he lost the State's Attorney election.Jun 30 19:20
DaemonFCIt's a giant middle finger to democracy. The public voted him out and there he was again, days later, as a judge this time.Jun 30 19:21
DaemonFCNot to be outdone, MinceR Jun 30 19:21
DaemonFCI tried to contact my defense attorney from 2019 to represent me over this traffic bullshit.Jun 30 19:22
DaemonFCFound out he's an assistant State's Attorney now.Jun 30 19:22
DaemonFCSo I can't talk to him because he's the enemy.Jun 30 19:22
DaemonFC<Ariadne> their operation is really sketchJun 30 19:23
DaemonFCYes, most of their money comes from fees charged to intermediaries. I won't pretend to understand it.Jun 30 19:24
DaemonFCSounds like a conflict of interest to me.Jun 30 19:24
DaemonFCLike most "financial products", they assemble them in ways that torture logic and rational understanding.Jun 30 19:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The obscenely rich of the 21st century are exposed as wannabe aristocrats - Alternet.orgJun 30 19:30
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immibisis IPFS actually useful?Jun 30 21:03
schestowitzyesJun 30 21:05
schestowitztoday we had outagesJun 30 21:05
immibiswhat's the practical difference between having someone mirror your site on IPFS, and having two servers?Jun 30 21:07
schestowitzdecentralisedJun 30 21:07
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phobos/fnBill Cosby was released from prison after an appeals court vacated his convictionJun 30 21:23
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schestowitzwho next?Jun 30 21:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bill Cosby released from prison after conviction vacated - ABC NewsJun 30 21:24
phobos/fnIn this case, it sounds like the judges felt that evidence was either illegally obtained or was twisted into something elseJun 30 21:24
bagira/fnisnt it weird how all these people who were torn down under similar stories are all getting vindicated laterJun 30 21:24
phobos/fnTrying to get a copy of the ruling to see what the exact grounds for vacating isJun 30 21:25
bagira/fnspeaking of which, lord_bagira continues to womp stomp open source snake ass on twitter: 30 21:26
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phobos/fnbagira: I'm not all together sure some of the evidence used against people wasn't manufactured... after all, what rape victim follows the alleged perp around for months or years across a country to attend every event and give them gifts?Jun 30 21:26
phobos/fnah, I see. Cosby admitted to doing a few of the crimes in a deposition, but the cache was he would admit some liability in a civil case if the ADA did not prosecute...Jun 30 21:28
phobos/fnAnd the ADA successor broke the agreement and then leveled more charges... so the court ruled the trial never should have happened due to the broken agreementJun 30 21:28
bagira/fnclassic malfeascance.  make a deal to get him to plead guilty to shit he didn't do, then prosecute him using his relenting to the deal as evidenceJun 30 21:29
phobos/fnSounds like it to me. The only winners were the accusers which couldn't wait to file civil suits after the guilty verdictJun 30 21:30
phobos/fnI think some of them are still going on todayJun 30 21:30
bagira/fnyepJun 30 21:30
bagira/fnmeanwhile someone's been in prison over it and has their reputation and legacy dismantled over the accusationsJun 30 21:30
bagira/fnsame kind of shit we're seeing in f/oss these last few years just completely offlineJun 30 21:31
phobos/fnand in politics all over North AmericaJun 30 21:31
bagira/fnyesJun 30 21:31
bagira/fnhollywood particularly got hit hard a few years backJun 30 21:31
phobos/fnCanada just passed an 'online hate speech' actJun 30 21:31
phobos/fnI'm sorry, but I have a hard time feeling sorry for anyone in BollywoodJun 30 21:32
phobos/fnThey all know what kind of back stabbing goes on there and they opt to stayJun 30 21:32
bagira/fnMatt Garrett has been trying to pull that shit with me, his tactic is a little different, he will make vague allusions of which a reasonable person can only conclude are illegal acts, and then let the crowd make the formal accusation to try to obscure his liability since he knows i've got two litigators preparing to spitroast himJun 30 21:33
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bagira/fnproblem with that guy is he's built up an occult following from his previous smear campaignsJun 30 21:33
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phobos/fnWho is Matt Garrett? Forgive my ignorance, but I'm not familiar with the new batch of MS paid FOSS astroturfersJun 30 21:34
bagira/fnon the plus side while it's unfolding he's the perfect honeypot for identify who these people areJun 30 21:34
bagira/fn*identifyingJun 30 21:34
bagira/fnand collecting their names into one place for exposure of how these campaigns work and who participates in them, and what that looks likeJun 30 21:35
bagira/fnphobos, matthew garrett is that wikipedia friendly that used to work on the kernel before he disgraced himself by association with the ada initiative, played a key role in the targeting of both jacob appelbaum and RMSJun 30 21:36
bagira/fnand othersJun 30 21:36
bagira/fnmore is coming out every dayJun 30 21:36
bagira/fnhe was also involved in trying to inject a microsoft advantage into the kernel before that and got caught doing itJun 30 21:38
bagira/fn"unofficial FAANG special ops"Jun 30 21:39
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bagira/fndude is motivated though, like, from my perspective if he were to just retract and apologize for the smears, i'd consider forgetting about it and moving on, but he seems pretty determined not to do thatJun 30 22:21
schestowitzit is a waste of timeJun 30 22:22
schestowitzmove on, get things doneJun 30 22:22
schestowitzon to another topic:Jun 30 22:22
schestowitzwe're about to release some EPO exposeJun 30 22:22
schestowitztomorrow most likelyJun 30 22:22
bagira/fnEPO?Jun 30 22:22
schestowitzjust before Friday's heatingJun 30 22:22
schestowitzwe need to keep the site online at all timeJun 30 22:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO - TechrightsJun 30 22:23
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Ariadnefwiw i don’t plan to do the router intervention until next weekendJun 30 22:42
Ariadneour current configuration is suboptimal but i’ve had enough drama for nowJun 30 22:42
AdmFubar 30 22:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM's 18-month company-wide email system migration has been a disaster, sources say • The RegisterJun 30 22:43
Ariadnei wish whoever announced AS 0 into the default free zone a very “go fuck yourself”Jun 30 22:44
Ariadnehey bagira since you are here when will i be able to use ircclown with freenodeJun 30 22:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ohio Republicans Forced To Back Off Unpopular Ban On Community Broadband | TechdirtJun 30 22:45
bagira/fnariadne -- ask the staff, i dont work hereJun 30 22:47
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Ariadnei did they just talk about remotes.irc.comJun 30 22:48
bagira/fnidgaf what they told youJun 30 22:48
MinceR   ( )Jun 30 22:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cyanide & Happiness ( 30 22:55
XRevan86 "NoGNU/Linux" :DJun 30 22:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Дистрибутив Linux без GNU — Talks — ФорумJun 30 22:57
MinceR:)Jun 30 22:59
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schestowitzXRevan86: what does that say?Jun 30 23:09
schestowitzI've just recorded a 32-min video btwJun 30 23:09
schestowitzre EPOJun 30 23:09
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schestowitzAriadne: the EPO is in shambles nowJun 30 23:09
schestowitzbut they bribe the media and law firms are afraid to speak outJun 30 23:09
XRevan86schestowitz: seiken replies to a question that goes "what is Stallman's position on this?" with "he will insist that this should be called "NoGNU/Linux" and not just "Linux"" in a topic about a distribution that doesn't include GNU software called Iglunix.Jun 30 23:10
Ariadnei define GNU/Linux as using glibc and implementing the LSBJun 30 23:12
Ariadnethat’s the only definition that actually makes senseJun 30 23:12
XRevan86SomeGNU/Linux :)Jun 30 23:12
Ariadnebecause it means something: a program compiled for GNU/Linux is compatible with other GNU/LinuxesJun 30 23:12
Phanes/fnnot necessarilyJun 30 23:14
Phanes/fnthats why lsb was introducedJun 30 23:15
Ariadnewell even with lsb there’s still incompatibilities :(Jun 30 23:15
Phanes/fnbecause everybody stopped working togetherJun 30 23:15
Phanes/fnand stopped caring about cross-distro standardsJun 30 23:15
Phanes/fnFHS is anotherJun 30 23:15
Ariadnenow days it’s systemd/linuxJun 30 23:15
Ariadne:)))))Jun 30 23:15
Ariadnelennart is making gnu/linux great againJun 30 23:16
schestowitzhe makes it.. differentJun 30 23:17
sepsinnlolJun 30 23:17
schestowitzI hope IBM's actions will enlighten the non-criticsJun 30 23:18
schestowitzIBM works only for IBMJun 30 23:18
schestowitz[11:47] <techrights-news> #redhat is no longer a "Linux company". It's an IBM company and it acts accordingly. 30 23:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | TechrightsJun 30 23:18
schestowitz(hours agoJun 30 23:18
schestowitzzoobab said that Red Hat was hoarding software patents, including on systemd, to inflate the sale valueJun 30 23:18
schestowitzIBM uses software patents aggressivelyJun 30 23:19
schestowitzthe vendor lockin was 'added value'Jun 30 23:19
schestowitzopenshift, ansible, systemd, podman...Jun 30 23:19
schestowitzthat helps them sell support for things they know best and can fix for clientsJun 30 23:19
Phanes/fnyeah RH has been playing a little dirty in the container space the last few yearsJun 30 23:19
schestowitzthey don't want a gnu/linux as commodityJun 30 23:19
schestowitzwith kvm, puppet, upstart etc.Jun 30 23:20
Phanes/fnits a single product market for the most part and thats a market vulnerability not a profit point for themJun 30 23:20
schestowitznow we have clients asking things like, do you know how to do ansible?Jun 30 23:20
Phanes/fnyepJun 30 23:21
schestowitzbecause some people have cladded their infra with this stuffJun 30 23:21
schestowitzand so we need to learn IBM OSPSJun 30 23:21
Phanes/fnoh im in that space i have to live itJun 30 23:21
schestowitz(OpenSourceProprietarySoftware)Jun 30 23:21
Phanes/fni was kind of hoping they'd pull an apple and go so far off from what the market was doing that they didn't matterJun 30 23:22
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Phanes/fnbut this OCI thing from burns was potentially a nail in the coffin for that semi-monopolyJun 30 23:22
Phanes/fnthey just dont realize it yetJun 30 23:23
Phanes/fnRH's product management has never been terribly informedJun 30 23:24
Phanes/fnso they may just drive off a cliff suddenly chasing the shinyJun 30 23:24
Phanes/fnthen goofs like perrin at MSFT are in the same boat, they just don't have the skills to be working those roles and are banking off the entity visibility to coast, without realizing they're the best unaware double agent that foss can haveJun 30 23:25
Ariadnehave to say containers has been a wild rideJun 30 23:26
Phanes/fnall the faang corps are vulnerable right now and dont realize itJun 30 23:26
schestowitzsome operate at a lossJun 30 23:27
schestowitzgoogle clown engine, 6 billion dollars operating lossesJun 30 23:27
schestowitznot sure if annual or quarterlyJun 30 23:27
schestowitzazure also a failureJun 30 23:27
schestowitzthey said they'd beat aws... by 2017 :-)Jun 30 23:27
schestowitzaws was not profitable until some years agoJun 30 23:27
schestowitznow they overcharge people who are locked inJun 30 23:27
Phanes/fngcp did ok, better than azureJun 30 23:27
schestowitz6 billion in lossesJun 30 23:28
Phanes/fnazure sucks gigantic donkey balls in pretty much every platform attribute besides their native services / composite services offeringsJun 30 23:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Cloud lost $5.6B in 2020 – TechCrunchJun 30 23:28
schestowitzannualJun 30 23:28
schestowitznot quartedlyJun 30 23:28
schestowitz*quarerly if was maybe this bad years priorJun 30 23:28
schestowitzbut they kept it secretJun 30 23:29
Ariadneall of those cloud things are a scamJun 30 23:29
schestowitz"public" company, secret financesJun 30 23:29
schestowitz 30 23:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft is Defrauding Its Shareholders While Laying Off About 5,000 Workers | TechrightsJun 30 23:29
Phanes/fnnot reallyJun 30 23:29
schestowitzAriadne: what is clown?Jun 30 23:29
schestowitzeverything.Jun 30 23:29
schestowitznow "edge"Jun 30 23:29
schestowitzand "iot"Jun 30 23:29
schestowitzwith "ai"Jun 30 23:29
Phanes/fnyou can do big shit on awsJun 30 23:29
schestowitz(i.e. code)Jun 30 23:29
Ariadneedge is good actuallyJun 30 23:29
Phanes/fngcp has some capabilityJun 30 23:29
Ariadneedge is the market swinging back to sanityJun 30 23:30
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Phanes/fn"edge" is a marketing concept not an architecture conceptJun 30 23:30
Ariadneright exactlyJun 30 23:30
schestowitzI heard they worked to make server hardware more expensiveJun 30 23:30
schestowitzso that companies stop self-hostingJun 30 23:30
schestowitzand outsource insteaJun 30 23:30
Ariadneedge is basically marketing the idea of running your own infra againJun 30 23:30
Phanes/ it is notJun 30 23:30
schestowitzthat would help the mass surveillance (by centralisation of everything) agendaJun 30 23:30
Ariadneyeah it basically isJun 30 23:30
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schestowitzLF does lots of "edge" marketingJun 30 23:31
schestowitzI mentioned this in the video I'm uploading at the momentJun 30 23:31
Phanes/fnIOT is falling out of favor except with the monoliths where they hardcoded it into billing identifiersJun 30 23:31
MinceR"edge" on your desktop, "edge" in your pocketJun 30 23:31
Phanes/fnthey just the shit for different things and keep it under the old umbrellaJun 30 23:31
Phanes/fnre-useJun 30 23:32
Ariadnei mean it’s all bullshit marketing but i would like to see servers back in officesJun 30 23:33
Ariadnewhere they belongJun 30 23:33
schestowitzyupJun 30 23:33
Ariadneinstead of processing peoples data on god knows what cloudJun 30 23:33
schestowitzwell, which office?Jun 30 23:33
schestowitzfirst we got rid of our serverJun 30 23:33
schestowitzand whole rackJun 30 23:33
Ariadnethe office of the company i am doing business withJun 30 23:33
schestowitzthen the office, due to covidJun 30 23:33
Ariadne:pJun 30 23:33
Ariadneidk shove it in somebody’s house and get them a metro ethernet connectionJun 30 23:33
schestowitzyes, that would be niceJun 30 23:34
schestowitzalso cheaper, collectivelyJun 30 23:34
schestowitzupload speeds are sucky by designJun 30 23:34
schestowitzso it takes me hours to upload one video...Jun 30 23:34
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Ariadnepoint is i want my data processed on hardware controlled by the company processing my dataJun 30 23:34
Ariadnethat should be the goalJun 30 23:35
Ariadneand ideally that company should use free software to do itJun 30 23:35
Ariadneso that i can audit it if i wishJun 30 23:35
schestowitzthat's the goalJun 30 23:35
schestowitzfsf should speak more about itJun 30 23:35
schestowitzhours ago:  How your support fuels the #GNU #GPL • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ #fsfJun 30 23:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How your support fuels the GNU GPL | Tux MachinesJun 30 23:35
Ariadneanyway people i know are working on that in alpine community and that gets marketed by LF and others as “edge”Jun 30 23:36
schestowitzI'm 'at work' at the momentJun 30 23:36
schestowitzwill post links when my shift is overJun 30 23:36
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Ariadnebut as phanes notesJun 30 23:36
schestowitzAriadne: until they shift to another buzzwordJun 30 23:36
Ariadnethat’s really just some marketing bullshitJun 30 23:36
schestowitz"fog computing" caught on for a whileJun 30 23:36
Ariadneyep i remember thatJun 30 23:36
schestowitzMinceR and I said that ~7 years ago as a jokeJun 30 23:36
schestowitzthen it became a real thingJun 30 23:37
schestowitz"fog computing" Jun 30 23:37
schestowitzso we rolled on to CLOWN computingJun 30 23:37
schestowitzI doubt anyone will want to make THAT a REAL thingJun 30 23:37
schestowitzunless the circus with animals in it makes a comebackJun 30 23:37
MinceRwhat, they seriously call something "fog computing" now?Jun 30 23:38
schestowitzor if l0de gets something going with that clownfest of hisJun 30 23:38
l0de/fnWhat clownfestJun 30 23:38
l0de/fnircclown?Jun 30 23:38
schestowitzMinceR: they did around 2017-2018Jun 30 23:38
schestowitzl0de regard thatJun 30 23:38
Phanes/fnthe last time I saw actual innovation happening at the platform design level SOA was still a commonly used architectural styleJun 30 23:38
schestowitzas another domain to registerJun 30 23:38
l0de/fnI believe jwhaere has copyrighted ircclownJun 30 23:38
l0de/fnI'm using that service right now as my bouncerJun 30 23:39
schestowitzlolJun 30 23:39
Phanes/fnMSA was supposed to replace it but ended up just being SOA minus a busJun 30 23:39
schestowitzanyway, that would be trademarkedJun 30 23:39
schestowitzyou cannot copyright a wordJun 30 23:39
schestowitzalso, trademarks cost $Jun 30 23:40
l0de/fnv true, I spoke in errorJun 30 23:40
schestowitz(USPTO charges a lot for them)Jun 30 23:40
l0de/fnyes, ircclown generates $5 a month from each userJun 30 23:40
Phanes/fnx20000 less suddenly this monthJun 30 23:40
l0de/fnwhich Jwhaere spends mostly on gold chains, car rims, and paying people to ghostwrite diss raps for his beef with andrew leeJun 30 23:40
MinceRschestowitz: lolJun 30 23:40
schestowitzwe need to mock buzzwordsJun 30 23:41
schestowitzit's the only way to defeat themJun 30 23:41
schestowitzso that schools don't teach 'apps'Jun 30 23:41
l0de/fnThere's a natural cycle of linguistic churn that any individual is usually powerless to significantly changeJun 30 23:41
schestowitzand instead teach programming, sys admin, diagnosisJun 30 23:41
l0de/fnOnly large media figures can generally wield language in that wayJun 30 23:41
schestowitzthey used to teach GUIs (e.g. Office)Jun 30 23:41
schestowitzthen JavaJun 30 23:41
schestowitzthen stuff like frameworksJun 30 23:41
Phanes/fnthey pretty much are already by all levels of most organizations besides CIO/CTOs because its the only way to appear to know how technology works when all they know is how to read gartner reports designed to exploit themJun 30 23:42
schestowitzwhich are usually GUIs with abstractions that less <5 yearsJun 30 23:42
MinceR 30 23:42
schestowitzwe need SBCs in every classroomJun 30 23:42
Phanes/fn(re: buzzwords being made fun of)Jun 30 23:42
schestowitzgive the pupils programming assignmentsJun 30 23:42
schestowitzthe programmable boards are expensive, a raspi is cheapJun 30 23:42
Phanes/fnwhat i dont understand is how gartner still has any credibility left after about 10 years of calling the wrong shot over and over, and over and overJun 30 23:43
Phanes/fnlike they literally cannot seem to pick a winning horseJun 30 23:43
schestowitzMinceR: yes, I think we used that in techrights at one pointJun 30 23:43
schestowitz 30 23:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gartner Group - TechrightsJun 30 23:43
schestowitzI met with a Swiss and French TV crew to do footage on GartnerJun 30 23:44
schestowitza documentary on what scammers they areJun 30 23:44
schestowitzthey even paid me for the timeJun 30 23:44
Phanes/fnniceJun 30 23:44
Phanes/fnyeah need more of that in the public consciousnessJun 30 23:44
schestowitzthey have capitalJun 30 23:44
schestowitzso they control a lot of media and perceptionsJun 30 23:45
Phanes/fni dont know if companies would by it without a huge amount of publicity around it though because if gartner goes away it'll create an entire caste of executive across the skyline that is cut off from their only semi-credible source of market intel with no skills to do anything on their own for the most partJun 30 23:45
Phanes/fn*buyJun 30 23:45
schestowitz 30 23:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gartner Group Shows Its True Colours — Censors Reporters | TechrightsJun 30 23:45

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