| schestowitz | Check out the history of that 'pretty boy' who ran the SEC. Seemed like narcissist that never did his job _at all_ | Nov 14 00:00 |
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| twitter | That nebulous clause is about as good as it gets. That's how these jokers made house loans at greater than 20% interest. | Nov 14 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | I read a WSJ article about him in Sept 29th. | Nov 14 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12... | Nov 14 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | Let me find the video I have in mind. | Nov 14 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | Here. http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12... That's the one. | Nov 14 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks for the headsup re: msft -> http://boycottnovell.com/2008/... | Nov 14 00:02 |
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| twitter | bbl | Nov 14 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10096555-16.htm... "Valleywag? Increasing snide, decreasing substance. Owen Thomas did much better work while he was at Business 2.0. I like his writing. I just think he had to pander to the wrong elements at Valleywag. " | Nov 14 00:11 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-... "But all is not well says the Times Online. The down economy and failing banks are dragging down the image of the area, despite a $4 billion developer investment." | Nov 14 00:12 |
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| twitter | Awwww, poor little bankers don't have their little meat market "romance" anymore. I cry for their randy left hands. | Nov 14 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | ./. : "How long can it be before Microsoft responds with a Windows 7 port?" --- TOTALLY off topic and nonsensical, IMHO < http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?s... > | Nov 14 00:34 |
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| twitter | Well, M$ will make promises right away, I'm sure. Let's see if nerdyH is just another nym. | Nov 14 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | I noticed the name. | Nov 14 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | Oh wait. | Nov 14 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | That would be Henry King*? | Nov 14 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, that's him. | Nov 14 00:38 |
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| twitter | Nope, he's got a string of interesting submissions. If he's a nym, it's a clean account. Comments look real, can't tell. | Nov 14 00:38 |
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| twitter | Who is Henry King? | Nov 14 00:39 |
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| schestowitz | He writes LinuxDevices, one of my favourite sites. We correspond sometimes. | Nov 14 00:39 |
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| schestowitz | Kingley.. or something like that. | Nov 14 00:39 |
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| twitter | Now why would he be worried about Vista 7? | Nov 14 00:41 |
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| schestowitz | Meet the New Windows, Same as the Old Windows : http://www.daniweb.com/blog... | Nov 14 00:43 |
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| twitter | " For all its problems, and Microsoft is facing many on a number of fronts these days, it still remains a formidable company with huge cash reserves." if only he knew. | Nov 14 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | He fell for " their own playground surrounded by big screens and fancy presentations" as he called it | Nov 14 00:46 |
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| schestowitz | And the Gartners and IDCs and Goldman Yucks of the worls... | Nov 14 00:46 |
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| twitter | It's more damage control, " Kennedy's experiment is just one look at Windows 7, although one that appears to be quite comprehensive and fair, but we are very early in the game. It's possible that Microsoft will improve it along the way" | Nov 14 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | Anal-ysts ranked MSFT AAA when it was in the upper 20s | Nov 14 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft shot back at him. | Nov 14 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | As usual, Microsoft spoke through its mouthpiece attacking rthe researcher. | Nov 14 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | .They issue formal 'statements', which the mouthpieces (e.g. Ina Shiells) posted as an 'article'. | Nov 14 00:49 |
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| schestowitz | And then you can hear the Microsoft statements repeated across the Web. Got to love it!!! | Nov 14 00:49 |
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| schestowitz | He should benchmark Vista and publish with a paperbag on his head (for anonymity). This way he would be safer from those Scientocrosoft people. | Nov 14 00:50 |
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| twitter | They come to get you anyway. | Nov 14 00:51 |
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| schestowitz | Classic hacker"Cracker confusion: http://www.theregister.co.uk/200... | Nov 14 00:51 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: yes, or they send a Sys-con journo to your house to pick some 'dirt' | Nov 14 00:52 |
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| schestowitz | In USENET, anonymous advocates got exposed through their ISPs and then abused with their names, addresses and personal life leaked to the Web by the Munchkins, who post this from zombies/proxies. | Nov 14 00:53 |
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| twitter | and harass supposed family members like they did P.J. | Nov 14 00:53 |
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| schestowitz | Sometimes it's hard to find dirt. | Nov 14 00:53 |
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| schestowitz | The trolls dug up messages of mine from many years ago. I posted almost 100,000 | Nov 14 00:53 |
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| twitter | If they can't find dirt, they make it up. Say you are crazy, that kind of thing. You don't believe in the great Hacker Bill Gates Money Machine, you must be crazy. | Nov 14 00:54 |
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| twitter | burn heretic, burn! | Nov 14 00:55 |
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| twitter | it's a strange world. hatred makes it sad. | Nov 14 00:55 |
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| *schestowitz wonders what will happen to space exploration and academic research now that everything is repressed | Nov 14 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Say MSFT is not rich, be called for treason (truth is treason in an empire of lies). | Nov 14 00:56 |
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| schestowitz | Attack the gates Fundation [sic], get libel, gang of hyena will soon surround you, modding you down, modding each other up, then brushing up the Wikipedia pages. | Nov 14 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | There's this guy called yuhoung who sometimes comes here (and to Roughly Drafed) | Nov 14 00:57 |
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| twitter | Their power is frightening. | Nov 14 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | He had it revealed recently that he is from Seattle. I reckon he's a shill. | Nov 14 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11... | Nov 14 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | They do revisionism... in Apple sites too... Daniel Eran Dilger | Nov 14 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | And they seem to be on Visa right next door to Microsoft... so I really don't know. See the log... watch how he ran away. | Nov 14 00:59 |
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| twitter | It's hard to tell. He ran around in circles and did not have much to offer. | Nov 14 01:03 |
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| twitter | annoying but not quite insulting. | Nov 14 01:03 |
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| twitter | real people ask the same questions because M$ bathes all of our brains in $1 billion / month in advertising. | Nov 14 01:04 |
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| twitter | there's no mistaking the real trolls and wiki cleaning. | Nov 14 01:05 |
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| schestowitz | The person's history is bothersome | Nov 14 01:05 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer wanted to kick him before. | Nov 14 01:05 |
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| twitter | oh | Nov 14 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | We didn't know at the time that he's in Seattle. | Nov 14 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | He's originally from the far east. | Nov 14 01:07 |
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| twitter | bbl, here's something interesting http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-... | Nov 14 01:15 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: any comments on Opensuse community elected board? | Nov 14 04:34 |
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| anivar | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081104-op... | Nov 14 04:34 |
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| schestowitz | Royal Bank of Scotland lays off 3000 | Nov 14 08:02 |
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| Omar87 | Guys, I believe that Preston Gralla is another journalist bribed by Microsoft: http://blogs.computerworld.com/... | Nov 14 08:11 |
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| Omar87 | Does anyone agree with me? | Nov 14 08:11 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: suspected this, but yesterday I showed he got no laptop. | Nov 14 08:32 |
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| schestowitz | But... he is generally regarded by some as Microsoft shill in general. He attacked Linux a lot recently. He does Apple too. | Nov 14 08:32 |
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| schestowitz | [attack them, IIRC] | Nov 14 08:33 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Nov 14 09:03 |
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| schestowitz | Instead Of Bailing Out Broken Banks, Why Not Build New Banks? < http://techdirt.com/articles/20081... > | Nov 14 10:17 |
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| schestowitz | Black Duck is a proprietary software company. It's surprising that it gets so much coverage in OSS blogs. | Nov 14 10:33 |
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| schestowitz | Typical Microsoft people... steal other people's free work (Palamida's database), then make money out of that... they now claim to have had a jump in profits (from selling mixed messages on Free software), but how much business did they have last year? Where are the absolute numbers? And why did the founder and CEO abandon months ago? | Nov 14 11:07 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft sacks in the US and now invests in China: http://www.reuters.com/article/technol... | Nov 14 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft: Though shalt not hack (you only 'hire' your XBox): http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquire... | Nov 14 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR would love this one about Jesusphone: Report: Apple struggling with iPhone in India < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10096... > | Nov 14 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | Woohoo! More MSDrugs: http://www.pcworld.com/article/1... | Nov 14 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | "Free to get addicted" | Nov 14 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | Whao. Microsoft China has been headless for ages on the fact of it... only now they got someone to fill the position: http://www.pcworld.com/article/153867... | Nov 14 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | Wall Street Beat: Bad News Gets Worse for IT < http://www.pcworld.com/article/153859/.ht... > | Nov 14 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | Concurrent Elects Krish Panu to Board of Directors < http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Con... > More shuffled at Concurrent? They have financial issues. | Nov 14 16:15 |
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| _doug | Microsoft developer: never search, view, or speculate about patents .. | Nov 14 16:27 |
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| _doug | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/13/m... | Nov 14 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | Yup | Nov 14 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | Mentioned 3 times in BN, even this morning: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/1... | Nov 14 16:28 |
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| MinceR | lol, jesusphone | Nov 14 16:29 |
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| _doug | He almost sounds like an Open Sourcer :) | Nov 14 16:31 |
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| _doug | "If people had understood how patents would be granted when most of today’s ideas were invented, and had taken out patents, the industry would be at a complete standstill today." | Nov 14 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | DoS and distributed hacking tools finally criminalised < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/... >. So Windows is illegal now? It's used as zombie nodes. | Nov 14 16:38 |
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| _doug | "The difficulty in the Act is that it says 'any item' and people are worried that that might include information about a piece of software's security vulnerability," | Nov 14 16:44 |
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| _doug | Yea, if you make it illegal for people finding out about security vulnerabilities, that will protect us from the crooks .. | Nov 14 16:45 |
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| _doug | As is well known, crooks obay the laws of the land .. :) | Nov 14 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | 37% of Americans still believe Iraq had WMDs < http://uruknet.de/?p=m48686&... > | Nov 14 16:46 |
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| _doug | How about making it illegal to sell such systewms that can be co-opted in DDOS attacks .. ? | Nov 14 16:47 |
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| _doug | http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer... | Nov 14 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | They hit the moles and ban the 'soil' rather than fumigate. | Nov 14 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | Should be http://www.microsoft.com/computer/zombies/can't/p... | Nov 14 16:48 |
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| _doug | "Never open an attachment in an e-mail, instant , or mobile message unless you know exactly what the attachment is" | Nov 14 16:48 |
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| _doug | How do I know what's in it, without opening it ? | Nov 14 16:48 |
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| schestowitz | Check that it didn't arrive from an MS botnet | Nov 14 16:49 |
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| _doug | "Unlicensed software can be more susceptible to viruses" | Nov 14 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | Good luck with that... | Nov 14 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. | Nov 14 16:49 |
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| MinceR | i didn't know viruses were so up-to-date in legal issues | Nov 14 16:49 |
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| _doug | Like how, what magic-sauce does the licensed product contain ? | Nov 14 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | I remember that. They also said that 'ungenuine' Windows is less secure. | Nov 14 16:49 |
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| MinceR | the only way genuine copies can be more secure is by being received via trusted media | Nov 14 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | it's like trying to stop car theft and police chases by imposing speed limits | Nov 14 16:50 |
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| MinceR | but physical access to such media has little to do with being legally licensed... | Nov 14 16:50 |
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| _doug | "RSA reports that it has discovered a data cache containing log-in information for 300,000 bank accounts and 250,000 credit and debit card accounts" | Nov 14 16:51 |
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| _doug | http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Sinowal_T... | Nov 14 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | [corp-focus] Not Yet at the Promised Land < http://lists.essential.org/pip... > | Nov 14 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: should I find that article? | Nov 14 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | It was ComputerWorld, Gregg Keizer, IIRC. | Nov 14 16:51 |
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| MinceR | not really | Nov 14 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: not old news? Like 3 weeks ago? | Nov 14 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | Now that I shop online I have to jump through more 'hoops'... I blame Windows botnets. | Nov 14 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/sto... "The Wall Street bailout looks a lot like Iraq — a "free-fraud zone" where private contractors cash in on the mess they helped create" | Nov 14 16:55 |
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| schestowitz | RMS links to an article about REAL pirates: British commandos kill two pirates in stand-off < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2... >. And Hollywood compares its clients to these people. | Nov 14 16:56 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, http://www.mail-archive.com/foundati... < I persume you knew about this but just in case..I know its old so you prob. do but anyway there it is... | Nov 14 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus curses here: More miscellanea [..] "Jonathan Schwartz has made some waves with his post The Inside Story (Java, Microsoft and MySQL). My problem is however not what most people think of." < http://beranger.org/index.php?page=... > No mention of Silverfish and MS toolbars?? | Nov 14 17:05 |
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| PetoKraus | :P | Nov 14 17:05 |
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| PetoKraus | it's really aggravating, aint it? | Nov 14 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: oh, that's an old one. I actually wrote back to RMS this morning. He's becoming more familiar with the Novell problem. | Nov 14 17:06 |
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| neighborlee | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=... < oddly enough, just months prior to that he says its good to have 'free' versions of .net, but he sure seemed worried about it in the 11/07 comment where by gnome might be held in a 'vice' ;) | Nov 14 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | Sun to Microsoft is like Novell to Microsoft... sometimes... "Microsoft, save us! Use us! Rape us!!" Then they sign patent deals. | Nov 14 17:06 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, well thats good..good to know he's becoming more involved in the dangers ,,about time ;) | Nov 14 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, Omar87 | Nov 14 17:07 |
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| Omar87 | Hi, schestowitz. :) | Nov 14 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: I asked him to use the FSF/GNU campaign to inform people about Novell. | Nov 14 17:07 |
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| PetoKraus | for goodness sake, it's milliard in french, die Milliarde in german, milia'rd in hungarian, miliardo in italian, and used to be milliard in UK english | Nov 14 17:07 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, good | Nov 14 17:07 |
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| PetoKraus | it's billion ONLY in the STATES | Nov 14 17:07 |
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| PetoKraus | (obviously, it's "miliarda" in slovak as well) | Nov 14 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | Good video | Nov 14 17:08 |
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| schestowitz | So he's in favour of RUNNING the existing programs, not USING it to develop | Nov 14 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | Novell makes MonoDevelop | Nov 14 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: The Unites States redefines language. That's normal. | Nov 14 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | Football no longer means soccer, either. | Nov 14 17:09 |
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| PetoKraus | well it does | Nov 14 17:10 |
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| MinceR | football means football. ;) | Nov 14 17:10 |
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| PetoKraus | maybe not in barbarian countries | Nov 14 17:10 |
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| PetoKraus | but in civilised europe.... | Nov 14 17:10 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, if they only raped english, i wouldn't mind | Nov 14 17:10 |
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| PetoKraus | but it actually spreads to other languages as well! | Nov 14 17:10 |
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| PetoKraus | the same for the beautiful english word "fanny" | Nov 14 17:11 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I'm thinking that Preston Gralla, from ComputerWorld, is doubtlessly another journalist bribed by Microsoft, do you agree with me? | Nov 14 17:11 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz,I stil think the main trump card against mono is that to be free from patent suit, it must be downloaded from novel, which equates to breaking with the gpl as I understand it.. | Nov 14 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | Possible, but... | Nov 14 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | I think he wrote many books like Bottt | Nov 14 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | He could be just 'part of the culture' | Nov 14 17:12 |
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| Omar87 | Maybe. | Nov 14 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | he attacked Linux a lot recently (esp. on Netbook) along with the usual pack | Nov 14 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: I have a post about it coming. | Nov 14 17:13 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, yup..not for usersing 'using it' , but for running exiswting programs sure lol,,but yeah in 11/07 he says its best that we dont write in mono ( fspot, etc.), but that we rewrite the 'cool ones' in something else to avoid the M$ 'vice' ..:)) | Nov 14 17:13 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, cool | Nov 14 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft sort of makes Office available for Linux... only with Mono (Moonlight) and OOXML | Nov 14 17:13 |
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| Omar87 | But, ya know, when it comes to Microsoft, everything is possible. :) | Nov 14 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | It's a trap for Red hat. | Nov 14 17:13 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, heh, its laughable ;) | Nov 14 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | See http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-... . Ignore the BS from Asay, watch the comment from Michael. | Nov 14 17:14 |
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| neighborlee | office with ooXML, that which was used to break compat with linux...man they must really think we are all very dumb ;) | Nov 14 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | Matt is just sucking up again.. he doesn't understand this stuff. | Nov 14 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | The problem is that Novell uses Mono not just to bring over applications to assist migrations... | Nov 14 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | They actually DEVELOP in it. That is something that RMS would not endorse. | Nov 14 17:15 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Yeah, oh well, how much did he foolishly praise Windows 7 as well. :) | Nov 14 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I saw that too. | Nov 14 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | There's a whole army of 'cultists' out there whose monopolist they love and protect.. | Nov 14 17:16 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Which is why I think he's bribed or at least, praised and influenced directly by Microsoft. | Nov 14 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | I just try to label them. http://boycottnovell.com/credibility-index/ | Nov 14 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | By the way, it's Vista 7, not Windows 7. ;-) | Nov 14 17:16 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Oh, yeah, that's right. :D | Nov 14 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft ecosystem=money club. Keep it where it's warm. | Nov 14 17:17 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I've seen a small video about it (I bet you did as well), and really, the only thing I saw was yet another Vista before me, with some minor stupid tweaks here and there.. -_- | Nov 14 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | UI changes are easy. It's most visible. | Nov 14 17:19 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I just wonder, how, in the world, would this thing be even loadable on a netbook.. ?_?' | Nov 14 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | They hardly had a build for a successor a while ago. | Nov 14 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | It's SP1 of Vista with some widgets and stuff. They bribed a lot of people to hide the truth and gave them special-purpose machines, coordinated alongside demos that are like adverts. | Nov 14 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | It WAS THE SAME IN 2006 with VISTA (also bribed bloggers0 | Nov 14 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | It took people like 6 months to make the BS (marketing) be covered by truth. | Nov 14 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | It's all about /perception/ | Nov 14 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: it's loadable because they disable a lot of code/services/etc | Nov 14 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | I read somewhere that they will make a SPECIAL version for Netbooks... so it's not Vista 7, but they'll call it that for marketing purposes.. | Nov 14 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | Vista 7 + Netbook = publicity stunt. | Nov 14 17:22 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Yeah, but the privacy-raping applications and tools will absolutely still be there, right? | Nov 14 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know. | Nov 14 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | I also thought about DRM. | Nov 14 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | Commenting out code before 'monsterbuilding' is east. | Nov 14 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | All they need to do is show the Netbook with the same widgets moving about. | Nov 14 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | Take some videos/photographs, stir up the Microsoft-friendly reporters to write about it.. | Nov 14 17:25 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I also heard, they make it as cheap as possible.. :) | Nov 14 17:25 |
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| _doug | Charles Arthur: The stock market reckons Dell has eight years to live .. | Nov 14 17:26 |
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| _doug | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2... | Nov 14 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* Windows 7’s biggest threat: journalists < http://notnews.today.com/2008/11/12/wi... > | Nov 14 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | “We understand that many journalists use Macs,” said CNet marketing marketer Don Reisinger. “This means they necessarily suckle at the Satanic rear passage of Steve Jobs. We cannot countenance their bias. Journalists are responsible for all those signs outside computer shops offering to replace Vista with XP. When was the last time you saw the entire technology field stop and wait for an announcement from any other company be | Nov 14 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | sides Apple? It’s so unfair!” | Nov 14 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: either is optimistic. | Nov 14 17:26 |
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| _doug | They should have diversified, into portable devices and online services ... | Nov 14 17:27 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Do you think they can really make an completely virus-proof OS within this year? Wouldn't that be more like building Windows from scratch? | Nov 14 17:28 |
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| _doug | notnewstoday :) | Nov 14 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: virus-proof? No, that's impossible. | Nov 14 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | That said, someone from Utah claims that Novell builds a Linux-based Seven, which is too bizarre to believe. | Nov 14 17:29 |
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| _doug | Charles Arthur: "I wonder if his company is running, a bit Wile E. Coyote-style, off the edge of a cliff." | Nov 14 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | It's not just Dell. | Nov 14 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | Many hardeare manufacturers that merely assemble parts are in for a rough ride and downsizing. | Nov 14 17:30 |
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| _doug | Dell is in an ideal place, it's own hardware manufacturing and OEM distribution channels. | Nov 14 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | Dell already does a funny one-week break for all people.... UNPAID. | Nov 14 17:30 |
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| PetoKraus | nice article about bloat: http://hubpages.com/hub/_86_Mac_Plus_... | Nov 14 17:31 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I read an article a couple of weeks ago that Novells main goal is to work with Microsoft in order to break the GPL.. ?? | Nov 14 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | Peter Mandelson: “The audacity of post” .. "Suggestions that the Post Officeâ⢠get into the business of physical delivery of letters and parcels were greeted with a perplexed snort of laughter." <http://notnews.today.com/2008/11/11/peter... > | Nov 14 17:31 |
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| *kentma has quit ("Leaving.") | Nov 14 17:31 |
| _doug | Do a deal with the telecom and media companies, start selling its own MediaPlayer, get revenue from online subscriptions .. | Nov 14 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: which article would that be? | Nov 14 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | They already did that (break the GPL, by spirit) | Nov 14 17:32 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I'm not sure.. | Nov 14 17:32 |
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| _doug | That's what I would do if I was CEO of DELL .. what are they paying his salary for ? | Nov 14 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | Novell doesn't care about freedom; those who it 'bought' in Germany might. | Nov 14 17:32 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: They did break the GPL? | Nov 14 17:32 |
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| MinceR | PetoKraus: bah, another crApple fanboy straining to somehow advertise shoddy crApple products. | Nov 14 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: GPLv2. They exploited a loophole. | Nov 14 17:33 |
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| PetoKraus | MinceR: you should just read TFA | Nov 14 17:33 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: So, SUSE isn't really opensource? | Nov 14 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | In simple terms, the GPL in its older form (version 2) permitted companies to have it obeyed while adding patent provisions/restrictions that apply to the software (licensed under GPLv2). | Nov 14 17:33 |
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| MinceR | PetoKraus: i've looked at it | Nov 14 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | My understanding is that Novell discussed the deal with quite a few people /well/ before it was announced in order to confirm this and conform with the licence. While the SFLC/FSF could not prevent the deal, it was able to explain the consequences in advance. | Nov 14 17:33 |
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| MinceR | PetoKraus: though tl;dr | Nov 14 17:33 |
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| MinceR | PetoKraus: i know what it's about anyway | Nov 14 17:33 |
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| PetoKraus | that's the point | Nov 14 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | SUSE is GPL compliant. | Nov 14 17:33 |
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| PetoKraus | it's about how much software got bloated | Nov 14 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | The GPLv3 'pardoned' Novell by 'grandfathering', which is incorporated into the new licence. Other companies like Xandros were not as lucky because they were not excused. GPLv3 is a deterrent to companies that ponder repeating Novell's deeds. | Nov 14 17:34 |
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| _doug | Dell business plan 1980: sell WinTell PCs .. | Nov 14 17:34 |
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| MinceR | PetoKraus: while ignoring how much more functional it became. | Nov 14 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: Dell is also corrupt | Nov 14 17:34 |
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| _doug | Dell business plan 2008: sell WinTell PCs .. | Nov 14 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | It did a bribery thing with Intel. | Nov 14 17:34 |
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| _doug | :) | Nov 14 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | Kickbacks. | Nov 14 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | Caught by investors who sued (or were going to) | Nov 14 17:34 |
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| PetoKraus | MinceR: yes. though it takes joe the plumber as a common user | Nov 14 17:34 |
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| PetoKraus | it's a straw man, i agree | Nov 14 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they can sue now that the stock sink due to that chamber or deep corruption opening up. | Nov 14 17:35 |
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| MinceR | once again i'd be forced to ask what joe the plumber is doing with a computer | Nov 14 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: he plays the pipes | Nov 14 17:35 |
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| MinceR | the tubes? | Nov 14 17:35 |
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| PetoKraus | well, i'd rather ask, whether the stuff Joe needs to do can be done on the mac pro | Nov 14 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | .http://pipe-mania.freeonlinegames.com/ | Nov 14 17:35 |
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| PetoKraus | *plus | Nov 14 17:35 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Hmm, so Novell was excused because it managed to commit its crime before GPLv3? | Nov 14 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 14 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | And Stallman was nice to them | Nov 14 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | They always accuse the FSF of being intolerant, but there you go | Nov 14 17:36 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Hmm, why did he not sue them? | Nov 14 17:36 |
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| MinceR | well, crApple "computers" are usually bought as room ornaments for gay people | Nov 14 17:36 |
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| PetoKraus | well nice... is there anything he could do? | Nov 14 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | They also played nice with Creative Commons recently. Some people praises and some criticised it. | Nov 14 17:37 |
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| Omar87 | oh ok | Nov 14 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | The FSF is willing to make reasonable compromises at times. | Nov 14 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: the FSF suing Novell? | Nov 14 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | They didn't break the contract. | Nov 14 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | Nintendo is up sharply in the US this month. Almost 1 million units!! | Nov 14 17:38 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Mr Joi Ito told us something about the CC's attempt to get Wikipedia under the Creative Commons License. And that RMS said no to them, why is that? | Nov 14 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft stock at 10-year low < http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micr... >\ | Nov 14 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: I'm not too sure about copyright/left laws, but maybe it's resolved now. | Nov 14 17:39 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: mhmm. | Nov 14 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://joi.ito.com/weblog/2008/11/... | Nov 14 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | I remember that post cause I linked to it at the time. | Nov 14 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | Lessig wrote about it too. | Nov 14 17:40 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Oh, that's cool! | Nov 14 17:41 |
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| _doug | regarding the credit-crunch: help bail out a Mega firm .. :) | Nov 14 17:41 |
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| _doug | http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/cbabb3add... | Nov 14 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | Earlier I watch some videos from a CC guy | Nov 14 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | He explained very well why IBM and Intel invest in free software | Nov 14 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | Stating the obvious that it's about reducing cost of s/w so that they can sell more h/w | Nov 14 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | It's like free beer for selling food at a tavern | Nov 14 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.p... (Intel Releases Two New Open-Source Drivers) | Nov 14 17:42 |
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| _doug | No, that's free sex and expensive beer :) | Nov 14 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | Tell Intel to shove it and sink (which they already are accroding to their latest disclosures) | Nov 14 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | They attacked OLPC ( a charity) because it wasn't good for their precious margins (price-fixing/ripoff) | Nov 14 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | I can't help but suspect that they raise the price of Atom now that they ruined some competition... cheapest netbooks go for $300. | Nov 14 17:44 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: By the way, what's SCO? And why are they welling to sue Linux? | Nov 14 17:48 |
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| _doug | billg: We were one of the first global companies to recognise China and Asias' R & D potential. When I visited China in 1997 .. | Nov 14 17:49 |
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| _doug | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/... | Nov 14 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO-L... | Nov 14 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | BillG invented water | Nov 14 17:51 |
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| _doug | Yet more Guardian gems: "few people who have spent time hanging out with successful Valley entrepreneurs would doubt the importance of Asperger's Syndrome. In fact, so close is the relationship between Asperger's and web 2.0 that they should probably just rename it Asbrgr" | Nov 14 17:51 |
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| _doug | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/... | Nov 14 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | He's generous though. You need not pat. | Nov 14 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | *pay | Nov 14 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | *Groan* yard *snort* | Nov 14 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | "billg: We were one of the first global companies to recognise China and Asias' R & D potential. When I visited China in 1997 ..." Did he rock back an forth when he said that? | Nov 14 17:54 |
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| MinceR | wouldn't that be "asprgr BETA"? | Nov 14 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | "Windows 7 comes ,,, support for the Open Document format in Word Pad." < http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Windows... | Nov 14 17:57 |
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| MinceR | (hm, intended to color the last "r" there, but now i see we're +c) | Nov 14 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | Will it be opened PROPERLY? | Nov 14 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | will line breaks wor^Hk? | Nov 14 17:58 |
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| MinceR | wok? | Nov 14 17:58 |
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| _doug | July 2004: "Developed by China's Red Flag Software and Japan's Miracle Linux at Oracle's research centre in Beijing, the flagship version of the server operating environment, Asianux 1.0, was commercially launched last month" | Nov 14 17:59 |
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| _doug | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,100... | Nov 14 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: Wor^H^H^H^HK~1. | Nov 14 18:00 |
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| MinceR | :) | Nov 14 18:00 |
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| schestowitz | They need to either 'extend' ODF or make it look bad (repel users) | Nov 14 18:00 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: Gates went all the way up to the top to corrupt officials against independence. | Nov 14 18:01 |
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| schestowitz | "Let's do this together. We'll control 'the little people' with Windows and your help. We can censor Live too." | Nov 14 18:01 |
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| schestowitz | On Microsoft's intimate affairs in China: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/31/m... | Nov 14 18:02 |
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| _doug | MS R & D: "as long as they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade" | Nov 14 18:04 |
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| twitter | Shill study goes after ODF http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site... | Nov 14 18:04 |
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| schestowitz | Gosh, I hate going through BN spam and deleting it | Nov 14 18:04 |
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| schestowitz | I've just comes across all sorts of gross spam comments. | Nov 14 18:04 |
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| twitter | sorry to hear that. | Nov 14 18:04 |
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| schestowitz | Like "anal masturbation" and "Girl shitting." | Nov 14 18:05 |
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| twitter | here's evidence that Google Docs and OO are gaining traction where it counts. http://slashdot.org/firehos... | Nov 14 18:05 |
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| schestowitz | This one... for example: "Shitting girls. Shitting sex. Girls pissing and shitting. Shitting. Amsterdam girls shitting tons of shitting pictures. Girls shitting…." | Nov 14 18:05 |
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| twitter | classy | Nov 14 18:05 |
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| schestowitz | Look what Windows botnets do to the Web. | Nov 14 18:05 |
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| schestowitz | That's like 150 like this since the morning. | Nov 14 18:05 |
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| twitter | wow | Nov 14 18:05 |
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| schestowitz | "Founded in 2003, ClickStream Technologies provides technology usage metrics to the world’s largest software and hardware developers. Our data-collection tools and standing panel of U.S. internet users create a rich, dynamic feedback loop between the people who develop technologies and the people who use them." | Nov 14 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | Never heard of them. | Nov 14 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | Server in Singapore. | Nov 14 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | *gasp* | Nov 14 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | At least their server runs a form of *NIX, with Flash | Nov 14 18:07 |
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| schestowitz | Where's the money made from such a 'study'? | Nov 14 18:07 |
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| twitter | Yeah, but you can throw out the results of the study, " U.S. internet users over the age of 18 to complete a survey and install ClickSight€®, a patent-pending data collection tool which records click-level user behavior data across all browsers and applications" | Nov 14 18:08 |
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| schestowitz | Always find motive. Who would beneift? Microsoft cited the Burton Group's (MS shill) anti-Google study over a year ago. | Nov 14 18:08 |
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| twitter | In other words, 50% of people dumb enough to install spyware use Word a lot too. | Nov 14 18:08 |
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| schestowitz | 1) pay some money; 2) wait a while; 3) link to 'new' 'study; 4) get return on investment | Nov 14 18:08 |
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| schestowitz | Or... | Nov 14 18:08 |
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| schestowitz | 1) wink at $company; 2) $company generates anti-Google study; 3) Microsoft links to study; 4) Microsoft hires $company people for consulting... VERY high wages... like a payback. | Nov 14 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | Deleting blog spam is like going through lots of shit... LITERALLY. | Nov 14 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | I blame people who google for "sh*t". The spammer are aiming at that fetish with this type of spam. | Nov 14 18:11 |
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| schestowitz | Intel Suing More Companies For Trademark Infringement < http://techdirt.com/articles/... > | Nov 14 18:14 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I've created a fan page for Mr. Lawrence Lessig at Facebook, since there no fan pages for at all there, lol. :) | Nov 14 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | Does he use Facebook at all? | Nov 14 18:16 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I'm wondering wha't the best way to bring people to it. | Nov 14 18:16 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I think he does. But I'm not sure. | Nov 14 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | Better to promote his talks to people who don't know Creative Commons. | Nov 14 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | All else if preaching to the 'converted; | Nov 14 18:17 |
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| twitter | I'm not sure it's a good idea to be a part of Facebook. M$ owns 15% of it. | Nov 14 18:17 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: However, it's just a fan page, ya know, where his fan and supporters show their pride, and new people get to know him. | Nov 14 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I was going to mention Microsoft dipping its toes in it. | Nov 14 18:18 |
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| neighborlee | oh great..isn't that just peachy o_0 | Nov 14 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | I stay away from FB as much as I can, but it's viral due to peer pressure. | Nov 14 18:18 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Oh yeah, that's right.. damn! | Nov 14 18:18 |
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| neighborlee | thx, glad to know that..that really bites | Nov 14 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | I'm going to link to these videos in BN soon: | Nov 14 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | Victor Stone talks about music, Free Software, Creative Commons and life at Microsoft 02 (2004) | Nov 14 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv146_sf... | Nov 14 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | Victor Stone talks about music, Free Software, Creative Commons and life at Microsoft 03 (2004) | Nov 14 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv... | Nov 14 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | Victor Stone talks about music, Free Software, Creative Commons and life at Microsoft 04 (2004) | Nov 14 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv146_s... | Nov 14 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | Victor Stone talks about music, Free Software, Creative Commons and life at Microsoft 05 (2004) | Nov 14 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv146... | Nov 14 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | Victor Stone talks about music, Free Software, Creative Commons and life at Microsoft 06 (2004) | Nov 14 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv147_sf_0... | Nov 14 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | Victor Stone talks about music, Free Software, Creative Commons and life at Microsoft 07 (2004) | Nov 14 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv147_... | Nov 14 18:18 |
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| neighborlee | oops :)) | Nov 14 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | Some people escape the beast and actually do something useful with themselves | Nov 14 18:19 |
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| neighborlee | I mean excellent..great to see ogg in use ;)) | Nov 14 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | This also shows the ugly picture of the corrupt music industry, which is no secret if you listen to what ex-singers say | Nov 14 18:19 |
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| neighborlee | yeah | Nov 14 18:19 |
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| Omar87 | Nine-Inch Nails did the right thing, though, lol. :) | Nov 14 18:20 |
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| schestowitz | Singers escaping the MAFIAA is like people escaping Microsoft to find Free software. | Nov 14 18:20 |
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| neighborlee | nice analogy ;) | Nov 14 18:20 |
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| schestowitz | The analogous situations have plenty to teach about one another. | Nov 14 18:20 |
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| Omar87 | And MAFIAA is RIAA, right? :D | Nov 14 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | Music stars unite to seek control : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/en... | Nov 14 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | One Man's Quest to Digitize and Publicize Rare Vinyl : http://blog.wired.com/music/20... | Nov 14 18:22 |
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| neighborlee | I just wish linux had better QA, only way I see of that happening is all users finally agreeing to use one distro and make it the best it can be...but then Ive said this for a very long time and no one yet has listened..they all want to toot their own horns so far and QA suffers,clearly evidenced by even ubntu having very iffy QA on releases | Nov 14 18:22 |
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| neighborlee | thats just my take on it, dont crucify me for loving linux, but hating its current infrastructure ;) | Nov 14 18:22 |
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| twitter | http://78records.cdbpdx.com/ | Nov 14 18:23 |
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| Omar87 | QA? | Nov 14 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | From http://www.computerworlduk.com/comm... | Nov 14 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | "Bill said on Thursday, 13 November 2008 Pretty harsh comments, sort of the kind one finds on boycottnovell.com. " | Nov 14 18:24 |
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| neighborlee | Omar87, quality assurance. | Nov 14 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | Is this the 'real' PJ? "PJ said on Thursday, 13 November 2008 They are already reduced to hiring people that are interested in one thing. Money. Although RH sees no threat since Novell cannot execute on anything today." | Nov 14 18:24 |
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| twitter | free software code quality is excellent but if you have an idea to make it better, launch a distro. :-D | Nov 14 18:24 |
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| neighborlee | drivres, apps, booting, all important operating sytsem components just working out of box on release day... | Nov 14 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | She only comments if she announces it, but I noticed more PJ comments recently. | Nov 14 18:25 |
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| neighborlee | twitter, yeah thats all linux needs,,another distro ;) | Nov 14 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: MAFIAA = RIAA/MPAA mafia | Nov 14 18:25 |
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| neighborlee | heh | Nov 14 18:25 |
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| *PetoKraus has quit ("The purpose of IRC is to...IDLE...") | Nov 14 18:27 |
| twitter | Slashdot spam has reached new lows too. http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.... People seem to ignore it. | Nov 14 18:27 |
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| *PetoKraus (n=Peter@cpc3-broo2-0-0-cust711.renf.cable.ntl.com) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 14 18:28 |
| twitter | Another lovely example http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?s... | Nov 14 18:29 |
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| neighborlee | ouch,,,nnnnnnnast | Nov 14 18:30 |
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| neighborlee | y | Nov 14 18:30 |
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| neighborlee | poor blender took a temporary hit too on certain aspects...only until I grabbed nvidia's beta driver did that remedy itself | Nov 14 18:31 |
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| neighborlee | blender as in blender3d I mean. | Nov 14 18:32 |
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| Omar87 | So far, I can see that Ubuntu is the most user-friendly and dependable distro. for daily use. | Nov 14 18:34 |
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| Omar87 | However, you can't stop limit the people a to this distro. or that distro. because people have tastes and purposes. | Nov 14 18:35 |
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| schestowitz | I use Mandriva on this box. It's great. | Nov 14 18:36 |
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| Omar87 | For example, hackers might pretty much go with Backtrack, business are most likely to choose Red Hat, gamers might go for Mandriva.. etc. :) | Nov 14 18:37 |
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| Omar87 | Yeah, Mandriva is awesome! ;-) | Nov 14 18:37 |
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| neighborlee | not so much here | Nov 14 18:38 |
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| schestowitz | Wow, even Alastair is now criticising the Novell situation < http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=3630 >. I was under the impression that he protected Novell SA. | Nov 14 18:38 |
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| neighborlee | I tried mandriva 2009 as in very latest,,I couldn't even boot due to X prob lems, on this very up to date hardware wize computer im using here. | Nov 14 18:38 |
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| neighborlee | who is alastair | Nov 14 18:38 |
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| neighborlee | checking | Nov 14 18:38 |
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| schestowitz | He's the main man at Tectonic. | Nov 14 18:39 |
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| neighborlee | thats what in part I mean about bad QA. | Nov 14 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | It's a good site. | Nov 14 18:39 |
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| neighborlee | ah | Nov 14 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | Just in: Lawrence Lessig Announced as 2008 Monaco Media Prize Winner < http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/08... > | Nov 14 18:45 |
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| _doug | Novell bid to cannibalise Linux market .. | Nov 14 18:57 |
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| _doug | http://www.itwire.com/cont... | Nov 14 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | That comment in Glyn's that says PJ... | Nov 14 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | It's not her! | Nov 14 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | I asked because I've noticed QUITE A FEW RECENTLY. *gasp* | Nov 14 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: I wrote about Sam's article here:http://boycottnovell.com/2008/... | Nov 14 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008... "“Another facet of the same problem is that the rest of open source can no longer trust Novell coders. Are Novell employees producing code to advance open source or to advance the Microsoft-Novell attack on open source?”" | Nov 14 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | Steve Stites also commented in Glyn's blog. | Nov 14 18:59 |
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| neighborlee | exactly ;) | Nov 14 19:12 |
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| schestowitz | Imagine using these instead of monitors? http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS... | Nov 14 19:14 |
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| _doug | Auntie Beeb's amazing, evolving, ID card stories .. | Nov 14 19:14 |
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| _doug | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... | Nov 14 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, the fake PJ is why she doesn't comment publicly. There are fake Linuses too. I told him about it and he replied. He still makes some "real" comments, though. Now he has a blog where he can rant. :-) Let's not forget the Markoff incident/s. ;-) | Nov 14 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | Amazing, _doug | Nov 14 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | Is it GBP14 billion for that junk? | Nov 14 19:15 |
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| PetoKraus | billion or milliard? :P | Nov 14 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/20... | Nov 14 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | bn | Nov 14 19:17 |
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| _doug | Workers at two airports will be used to test UK national identity card, the government is expected to announce. | Nov 14 19:19 |
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| _doug | [ Jacqui Smith says public demand means people will be able to pre-register for an ID card within the next few months. | Nov 14 19:19 |
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| _doug | The cards will be available for all from 2012 but she said: "I regularly have people coming up to me and saying they don't want to wait that long." | Nov 14 19:19 |
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| _doug | ] | Nov 14 19:19 |
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| _doug | [ Campaigners No2ID said it was a "transparent attempt to save ministerial face" amid opposition from unions and airline bosses, who say it is unjustified and would not improve security. | Nov 14 19:19 |
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| _doug | ] | Nov 14 19:19 |
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| _doug | Non-EU students and marriage visa holders will be the first to receive the ID cards this month, followed by airport workers and from 2010 a voluntary system for other people will come into effect. | Nov 14 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | Yay! We get surveillance and pay for it! Yay! Double yay! What's it good for again? | Nov 14 19:20 |
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| *schestowitz can't wait to find some leaked database of people's medical records and IDs on torrent [sarcasm /] | Nov 14 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Intel warning puts a chill on Microsoft: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microso... (from MS fan | Nov 14 19:22 |
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| twitter | Avoiding DRM laced HDMI ... otherwise mini projector is nice | Nov 14 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | "Ultimately, Microsoft changed its mind and lowered the requirements so that PCs with those chipsets received the "Windows Vista Capable" logo -- even though they couldn't run the glossy Aero Glass interface or other signature Windows Vista features." <http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/New_e-ma... > | Nov 14 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | Bssted. | Nov 14 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | Vista suit links Microsoft, Intel CEOs < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/V... >. Collusion concluded? | Nov 14 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | Sun restructures, lays off up to 6,000 < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-... > | Nov 14 19:35 |
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| schestowitz | Reviewer still leave Vista in the garbage for some O/S from 2001... Battle of the Big Three Which Operating System Reigns Supreme? < http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/campuslife/... > | Nov 14 19:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.sys-con.com/node/744212 ( 1105 Media Cancels "Virtualization Live" Conference Due to Recession, It Says ) | Nov 14 19:42 |
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| PetoKraus | oh god! | Nov 14 19:42 |
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| PetoKraus | OOO is piece of CRAP | Nov 14 19:42 |
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| PetoKraus | it takes system colours no matter what | Nov 14 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, it's changing its UI colours. | Nov 14 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | KDE? | Nov 14 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | Try ticking the box for not applying colours scheme to non-Qt apps | Nov 14 19:43 |
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| PetoKraus | is there some box? | Nov 14 19:44 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm using E | Nov 14 19:44 |
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| PetoKraus | and black GTK theme | Nov 14 19:44 |
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| schestowitz | I use dark themss too. | Nov 14 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not sure about Enlightenment. I used it many years ago... like 7. It's minimalist | Nov 14 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | IOW, you might not have this option. | Nov 14 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | Try seeing if you can pass command lines args to Oo-writer/whatever.. for themes | Nov 14 19:46 |
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| PetoKraus | http://pk.gjhak.sk/.storage/2008... | Nov 14 19:46 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, come on! | Nov 14 19:46 |
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| PetoKraus | when i change gtk theme, it's okay | Nov 14 19:47 |
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| PetoKraus | when i set the colour values, they don't work | Nov 14 19:47 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. Looks like mine. | Nov 14 19:48 |
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| schestowitz | When I needed to take screenshots I just changed themes momentarily. | Nov 14 19:48 |
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| PetoKraus | gnumeric does it properly | Nov 14 19:48 |
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| PetoKraus | i need to SEE the freaking GRAPH | Nov 14 19:48 |
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| MinceR | i keep having color problems with ooo, too | Nov 14 19:48 |
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| schestowitz | Meh. gnumeric.. OOXML... MOOX | Nov 14 19:48 |
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| MinceR | i think it completely ignores cell background colors in calc already | Nov 14 19:48 |
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| MinceR | gnumeric > ooo calc | Nov 14 19:49 |
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| twitter | gnumeric is infected with OOXML? Nooooooooo! Not my favorite spreadsheet. | Nov 14 19:51 |
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| twitter | About the spam problem. Do you have an easy way to tighten the caphca? little images of the numbers instead of text, subtraction, multiplication and addition might help. | Nov 14 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: they already get trapped, but I need to rescue false positives. | Nov 14 19:54 |
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| trmanco | http://www.itwire.com/content... | Nov 14 19:55 |
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| schestowitz | Silly remark: http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,... "If nothing else, the move will increase competition and keep Red Hat looking at the terms of its own support contracts." | Nov 14 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | Competition? Linux vs Linux is hardly competition, esp. when done in this brutal fashion. Wake up, Peter. Pretty please. | Nov 14 19:57 |
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| trmanco | http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw... | Nov 14 20:03 |
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| MinceR | http://www.xvsxp.com/files/images/do... | Nov 14 20:04 |
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| MinceR | http://www.xvsxp.com/files/images/col... | Nov 14 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* "You are not allowed to do cunning things" | Nov 14 20:04 |
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| trmanco | http://www.junauza.com/2008/11/take-this-lin... | Nov 14 20:05 |
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| MinceR | http://www.xvsxp.com/files/i... | Nov 14 20:05 |
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| MinceR | and then they dare call it a unix | Nov 14 20:05 |
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| trmanco | LOL MinceR | Nov 14 20:05 |
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| trmanco | it is BSD based | Nov 14 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | Windows is cool with whitespaces because it doesn't give a s* about the CLI (cmd.exe) | Nov 14 20:06 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, and the cool thing is that you can't name your files or folders as you want | Nov 14 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* Vista RIP boot image | Nov 14 20:06 |
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| trmanco | "con" is an example | Nov 14 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | That's like a car whose bonnet you can't open and greabox you are not 'allowed' to shift to 5 | Nov 14 20:07 |
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| schestowitz | "Yes, you can do it, but well.. you can't... trust us" | Nov 14 20:07 |
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| trmanco | http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inqui... | Nov 14 20:08 |
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| schestowitz | ARNnet turns out to be IDG. *spit spit* | Nov 14 20:09 |
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| schestowitz | Can Vista 7 do "con"? Have they fixed this bug yet? | Nov 14 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | 7 years to patch a bug... is that why they call it Vista 7? | Nov 14 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft takes 7 years to fix security exploit : http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-1... | Nov 14 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1... : MS patch Tuesday includes fix for seven-year old itch | Nov 14 20:11 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, I dunno | Nov 14 20:12 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, they only patched that 7 year old bug partially | Nov 14 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | it's a start | Nov 14 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they waited 7 years for a patent application on this bugfix to go through. | Nov 14 20:13 |
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| trmanco | I can't remember where a read this | Nov 14 20:14 |
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| trmanco | I think it was on COLA | Nov 14 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | "An apparatus for improving functionality in Microsoft(R) Windows(R)..." | Nov 14 20:14 |
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| trmanco | Rated (R) | Nov 14 20:14 |
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| trmanco | It is bad for kid under age :-P | Nov 14 20:14 |
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| trmanco | kids* | Nov 14 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | Noveller: Free Software Foundation does the right thing for free culture ( http://blogs.zdnet.com/community/?p=128 ) FSF: Novell does the wrong thing for culture. | Nov 14 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | eWeek needs updating (see date): "With the collaboration between Microsoft and Novell, however, this is no longer the case. Join us on Oct. 29 as experts from Microsoft and Novell share insights into how mixed-source virtualization can help improve operational efficiency, and what work is being done to help manage these environments." | Nov 14 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Green-IT/Neil-Young... | Nov 14 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | I've just mailed SJVN regarrding this mischief of his: http://blogs.computerworld.com/n... | Nov 14 20:20 |
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| *_doug has quit () | Nov 14 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Some people think of Novell and SUSE only in terms of technical merits. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free... | Nov 14 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | FUDdy piece: http://advice.cio.com/peter_vescuso/going_hybr... | Nov 14 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | It's accurate, but it sends MIXED messages [pun]. | Nov 14 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | Sun Micro under pressure to sell, but buyers wary < http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/fee... > | Nov 14 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | No fiber... :-( :-( "FORGET EVERYTHING you’ve been promised by BT. We’re probably never going to get the much-anticipated super-fast broadband we’ve all been waiting for." < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news... > < http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/... > | Nov 14 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | On the bright note: " A senior U.S. lawmaker plans to introduce a bill in January that would bar Internet providers like AT&T Inc from blocking Web content, setting up a renewed battle over so-called network neutrality." < http://tech.yahoo.com/news/nm/20... > | Nov 14 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | More exploitation and corruption unfolds: FTC sues internet 'loan sharks' for deceptive lending < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1... > | Nov 14 21:04 |
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| Omar87 | Can we say that MySpace is to Google like Facebook is to Microsoft? | Nov 14 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | Ubuntu hits back at Mandriva's rant (personal rant): | Nov 14 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1381 | Nov 14 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | MySpace and Google?!?! | Nov 14 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | Didn't they sell out to Microsoft search just like FB? | Nov 14 21:31 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I don't know about that. But I don't think so. | Nov 14 21:32 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Is there anything like that really? | Nov 14 21:32 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: If that's true, then how come their search engine is powered by Google? | Nov 14 21:33 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I've just found an old article stating that MySpace is a great threat to Microsoft.. | Nov 14 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they changed | Nov 14 21:35 |
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| schestowitz | I think they flip-flopped. As I remember it, they chose Google and MS tried to steal them away. A bit like Digg with advertisements. | Nov 14 21:36 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I also found another article saying something like Microsoft have created another MySpace of their own... or something like that... | Nov 14 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | Oh. let me checl. | Nov 14 21:37 |
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| MinceR | digg has advertisements, many of them written by commenters | Nov 14 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 14 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | True. | Nov 14 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | Digg was good in 2006. | Nov 14 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | I was ranked 17th. | Nov 14 21:37 |
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| Omar87 | Technorati is cool too! :) | Nov 14 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | There's MSN Spaces | Nov 14 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.google.com/archivese... | Nov 14 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | Yuck. http://www.informationweek.com/news/showAr... ( MySpace Lures Microsoft Exec To Become CSO ) They 'poison' themselves. | Nov 14 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | I remember this: http://www.accessmylibrary.com/com... | Nov 14 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | IIRC, MySpace runs or used to run Windows...which is rare for large sites. | Nov 14 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | " | Nov 14 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | There are the other changes, though. Schwartz mentions that OpenOffice 3 distributed over three million copies -- last week. He states, quite sensibly, that it is likely this userbase (that he estimates to be between 150 million and 200 million) will grow as the economy continues to struggle (though I'd hope it could also be attributed to the realization OpenOffice is a worthy alternative to other office suites). | Nov 14 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | There are the other changes, though. Schwartz mentions that OpenOffice 3 distributed over three million copies -- last week. He states, quite sensibly, that it is likely this userbase (that he estimates to be between 150 million and 200 million) will grow as the economy continues to struggle (though I'd hope it could also be attributed to the realization OpenOffice is a worthy alternative to other office suites)." | Nov 14 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | Bit news yet to come... http://ostatic.com/176986-blog/sun-cu... | Nov 14 21:42 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: DAMN! When I curled MySpace, I it said that their site is powered by .NET! | Nov 14 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | I just added a warning: "Those who care about freedom should adopt OOo and abolish Microvell's go-oo." | Nov 14 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: it's a rare exception. And the site looks like trash. | Nov 14 21:44 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: LOL! Even Facebook doesn't use ASP.NET. :D | Nov 14 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft spends a fortune trying to convert Linux/BSD sites it buys. | Nov 14 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | Hotmail being a well-known example. | Nov 14 21:47 |
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| trmanco | the Hotmail service is degrading | Nov 14 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft touched it. | Nov 14 22:04 |
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| MinceR | they've been degrading since the moment they got their paws on it | Nov 14 22:06 |
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| trmanco | back then when I registered an email with it is use to be minimally usable | Nov 14 22:07 |
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| trmanco | back then when I registered an email with Hotmail, it use to be minimally usable* | Nov 14 22:08 |
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| trmanco | back in 2002 | Nov 14 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | Be prepared for Mahoo! Mail. | Nov 14 22:12 |
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| trmanco | I have an account there too | Nov 14 22:12 |
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| trmanco | and it has been degrading to | Nov 14 22:13 |
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| trmanco | too much ads and it is slow | Nov 14 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft bought Hotmail for users, not eh technology (BSD); same with Yahoo! | Nov 14 22:13 |
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| neighborlee | I use gmail now, and am very content with it. | Nov 14 22:13 |
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| trmanco | yes me too | Nov 14 22:13 |
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| trmanco | Gmail is the only one that kicks ass | Nov 14 22:14 |
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| trmanco | the only email service that has improved and continues improving | Nov 14 22:15 |
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| neighborlee | yup | Nov 14 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | A little /too/ much? | Nov 14 22:16 |
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| trmanco | of course by default it has some bloat, but it is easy to remove | Nov 14 22:16 |
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| neighborlee | never had any spam to speak of since using them | Nov 14 22:16 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, yes | Nov 14 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.seroundtable.com/archi... | Nov 14 22:16 |
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| trmanco | they are flooding the news with all those lab features, I use some of them | Nov 14 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | "Please upgrade to Windows from this Lunix thing to get the full Google experience.." | Nov 14 22:17 |
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| neighborlee | lol | Nov 14 22:17 |
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| trmanco | haven't tried this | Nov 14 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://radar.oreilly.com/archi... | Nov 14 22:18 |
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| trmanco | this is bloat in my opinion | Nov 14 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | Windows-only... thank you , Google. | Nov 14 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | Google never gave a damn about Web standards, so... | Nov 14 22:19 |
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| neighborlee | I think in part what is unfair is that the mono discussion, while being VERY relevant to all that use foss to be aware of all the repercusions and whats in the news, that the thread instead degrades down into: Go Back Ubuntu Forums > The Ubuntu Forum Community > Forum Community Discussions > The Community Cafe > Recurring Discussions < where really very few go...is it any wonder we have less traction than otherise we might | Nov 14 22:19 |
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| neighborlee | .. | Nov 14 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | It's giving excuses for other people to adopt the same attitude and spew garbage at browsers... because it was tested and works in a few major ones. | Nov 14 22:19 |
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| trmanco | there is a labs feature that recommends windows too, mouse gesture something | Nov 14 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | There you go.. | Nov 14 22:20 |
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| trmanco | well | Nov 14 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: in Ubuntu mentality, more market share = goal #1 (remember bug #1?)... get Mono infection, ask for Moonlight junkware... whatever... just for market share. | Nov 14 22:21 |
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| trmanco | but Between the Microhoo mail services I still prefer Gmail | Nov 14 22:21 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, of course. | Nov 14 22:21 |
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| neighborlee | $$$ ;) | Nov 14 22:21 |
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| neighborlee | trmanco, totally | Nov 14 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | That's getting binaries and poisonware, that's not GNU/Linux. It's another OS X... and it's caused by the boosters and Mono guards occupying the forums. | Nov 14 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | They must not be foolish | Nov 14 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | Being 'champions' is not a Mac vs PC-like fight. | Nov 14 22:22 |
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| trmanco | A new banshee version is out, now also polluting OS X | Nov 14 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | Mac vs PC is one binary versus another cock... two idiot fighting over whose cock is bigger. | Nov 14 22:23 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Nov 14 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | Free software has a broader goal, which is freedom. | Nov 14 22:23 |
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| trmanco | Rated (R) | Nov 14 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | It's not about "making loads of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" | Nov 14 22:23 |
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| trmanco | You know, I still wonder what happened to the majority of the trolls on Usenet | Nov 14 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | I don't worry. I celebrate deep inside. | Nov 14 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | It's true that it's quiet. | Nov 14 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | It was a NUTHOUSE about 6 months ago. _doug left in fury. | Nov 14 22:29 |
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| MinceR | open platform, my ass. >> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?si... | Nov 14 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | I hate the word "open" | Nov 14 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | It's open to abuse | Nov 14 22:30 |
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| trmanco | there is still one serious troll on COLA | Nov 14 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's Jason M even hackled the thing... cause it's so easy to abuse the word, which THEY DID. | Nov 14 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. My karma in /. is "Excellent" | Nov 14 22:30 |
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| MinceR | i don't hate the word "open" but i hate the ones who abuse it. | Nov 14 22:30 |
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| MinceR | mine is "Positive" | Nov 14 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | Google is not open. Android is /marketed/ as open. | Nov 14 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | I don't think it's even open to choice of carrier! | Nov 14 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | But, but..... it runs Liiiiiiiiinux! Wow. Not. | Nov 14 22:31 |
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| MinceR | well, motorola did that before google | Nov 14 22:32 |
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| MinceR | and it was already jailed then | Nov 14 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, they did. it's good validation though. | Nov 14 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | Motorola is not joining Google. Minds thinking alike probably... | Nov 14 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | Is Maemo 'open/? | Nov 14 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | Can I build the whole stack from source code? | Nov 14 22:33 |
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| MinceR | dunno | Nov 14 22:33 |
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| MinceR | maemo doesn't have phone capabilities, so it's irrelevant to my interests | Nov 14 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | Chomium... not Chrome... Chromium. | Nov 14 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | We love our binaries......... here.... have some code to play with... some. | Nov 14 22:34 |
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| MinceR | as far as i am concerned, Chromium is crippled by windows-specific code and shitty windows font rendering techniques. | Nov 14 22:34 |
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| trmanco | Chrome is not that good | Nov 14 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | Infoweek... wow... http://www.informationweek.com/news... | Nov 14 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | First blogs,... now imported content... | Nov 14 22:36 |
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| trmanco | I've tried it a couple of times and it is not "Extremely fast" as some hyped blogger wrote about | Nov 14 22:36 |
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| MinceR | indeed | Nov 14 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | They might be going the way of the dodo like ZeeDee Gates. | Nov 14 22:36 |
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| trmanco | bloggers* | Nov 14 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | Just stupid blogs and Reuters plugs... | Nov 14 22:37 |
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| MinceR | but i'd still like to have a browser that separates fragile stuff into processes | Nov 14 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Fast... like the release of some comics. | Nov 14 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | "And the myth grew..." | Nov 14 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | "Vista 7 is fast," say a gang of bloggers with multi-core gifts... and Microsoft affinity in their history. | Nov 14 22:38 |
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| trmanco | MinceR, yes that is good, and it doesn't hog much ram either, but wtf, I didn't buy 1GB of ram to have 800 MB unused, so ... | Nov 14 22:39 |
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| MinceR | i keep killing my browser when i play big games | Nov 14 22:40 |
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| MinceR | so i could use reducing the horrible wasting of memory | Nov 14 22:40 |
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| MinceR | also, it would be nice if a browser bug would only crash a tab, not the entire browser | Nov 14 22:40 |
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| trmanco | yes that multi tab process thing is a good idea | Nov 14 22:41 |
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| trmanco | but, is it patented? | Nov 14 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | Silly bloggers ignore the price difference... http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/11/... ... the cause for Microsoft to lose Windows profit margins just to make it so... harder for GNU/Linux. | Nov 14 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | Perception manufacturing. I still think Intel jacked up the price to suit Wintel price-fixing days. | Nov 14 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: patented? It's trivial. | Nov 14 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | Most patents are very vain by nature. Inherently, all ideas are unoriginal... they are aggregation of inspirations and existing knowledge synthesized together, The same goes for copyrighted music. | Nov 14 22:44 |
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| trmanco | well, time to go, see ya later guys | Nov 14 22:47 |
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Comments
David Gerard
2008-11-15 11:01:01
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/236526/sun-to-auction-branding-space-in-openoffice.html
This could be the single most effective recruiting tool imaginable for Novell go-oo. *facepalm*
Roy Schestowitz
2008-11-15 11:04:06
G. Michaels
2008-11-16 00:34:38
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1024127&cid=25721311
And this thread:
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Or this one:
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