*wispy (i=9f5b894f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-da749040b03998b9) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 02 00:35 |
wispy | hello roy! | Dec 02 00:36 |
schestowitz | Hey! | Dec 02 00:36 |
wispy | how was your day? :) | Dec 02 00:36 |
wispy | it was warm for me | Dec 02 00:37 |
schestowitz | Snow here. | Dec 02 00:37 |
wispy | it snows every year on my birthday | Dec 02 00:37 |
wispy | nice gift | Dec 02 00:37 |
schestowitz | Digg has been slow for UNIX/Linux. | Dec 02 00:37 |
wispy | i just came back today | Dec 02 00:37 |
schestowitz | Only about 2 stories promoted/day | Dec 02 00:37 |
wispy | yes it is | Dec 02 00:37 |
wispy | darn | Dec 02 00:38 |
schestowitz | It used to be 5-7 per day | Dec 02 00:38 |
schestowitz | It has 'moods' | Dec 02 00:38 |
wispy | back in 2006? | Dec 02 00:38 |
schestowitz | The shills ruin it too | Dec 02 00:38 |
wispy | :( | Dec 02 00:38 |
schestowitz | 2006 was very different. | Dec 02 00:38 |
schestowitz | 2007 was not /too/bad. | Dec 02 00:38 |
wispy | i remember 2007, it was much better | Dec 02 00:38 |
schestowitz | In 2006 I could make 5 front pages per day. Then Netscape nabbed me. | Dec 02 00:38 |
wispy | propeller | Dec 02 00:39 |
schestowitz | Now it's called Propeller | Dec 02 00:39 |
wispy | should i join/ | Dec 02 00:39 |
wispy | i thought so | Dec 02 00:39 |
schestowitz | I don't know... shills don't exist there | Dec 02 00:39 |
wispy | is there some kind of firewall? ;) | Dec 02 00:39 |
wispy | jk | Dec 02 00:39 |
schestowitz | One of my stalkers came there and they banned his prompto | Dec 02 00:39 |
schestowitz | *him | Dec 02 00:39 |
schestowitz | The trolls come wherever they can do harm | Dec 02 00:40 |
wispy | you are a celebrity, roy hehe | Dec 02 00:40 |
schestowitz | Slashdot,. Digg... it's like locust.. | Dec 02 00:40 |
wispy | having all these stalkers | Dec 02 00:40 |
schestowitz | Find a good pro-Linux sites, embrace, extend and ruin... | Dec 02 00:40 |
wispy | aww | Dec 02 00:40 |
schestowitz | brb | Dec 02 00:40 |
wispy | ok :) | Dec 02 00:40 |
*schestowitz back | Dec 02 00:43 |
wispy | hey :D | Dec 02 00:43 |
schestowitz | So anyway, I have these posts coming. | Dec 02 00:43 |
wispy | for bn? | Dec 02 00:43 |
schestowitz | One of them is about Novell, but I need other people to approach this too. | Dec 02 00:44 |
schestowitz | Yes, I hardly write elsewhere. | Dec 02 00:44 |
wispy | cool | Dec 02 00:44 |
schestowitz | I upgraded two blogs yesterday.. for security reasons. | Dec 02 00:44 |
wispy | i saw your articles for an IT site | Dec 02 00:44 |
wispy | good idea | Dec 02 00:44 |
schestowitz | Which site? | Dec 02 00:44 |
wispy | earthweb, something like that | Dec 02 00:44 |
schestowitz | I no longer write for them... I don't want to. | Dec 02 00:45 |
schestowitz | I don't like editorship | Dec 02 00:45 |
wispy | oh ok, didn't know that | Dec 02 00:45 |
schestowitz | They water down my allegations | Dec 02 00:45 |
schestowitz | Things can can say: | Dec 02 00:45 |
wispy | censorship! | Dec 02 00:45 |
schestowitz | *UNIX is dying | Dec 02 00:45 |
schestowitz | *Wintel=good | Dec 02 00:45 |
wispy | ugh lol | Dec 02 00:45 |
wispy | i liked your RMS interview | Dec 02 00:45 |
schestowitz | *"Linux" is having challenges | Dec 02 00:45 |
schestowitz | Things not to say: | Dec 02 00:46 |
schestowitz | *Microsoft has connections with SCO | Dec 02 00:46 |
schestowitz | *Novell is a vassal of Microsoft | Dec 02 00:46 |
schestowitz | *Microsoft is run by vicious people | Dec 02 00:46 |
wispy | basically you can't say the truth, huh | Dec 02 00:46 |
schestowitz | *Microsoft is only faking being nice | Dec 02 00:46 |
schestowitz | wispy: truth is relative | Dec 02 00:47 |
wispy | ok | Dec 02 00:47 |
schestowitz | It's manufactured | Dec 02 00:47 |
schestowitz | Same in politics. | Dec 02 00:47 |
wispy | the ministry of truth | Dec 02 00:47 |
MinceR | you could try to write a negative article | Dec 02 00:47 |
wispy | but there is objective info | Dec 02 00:47 |
schestowitz | If I say Khadaffi (spelling?) is a terrorist, that's OK | Dec 02 00:47 |
schestowitz | If I say that George Bush commits war crimes, I must provide lots of evidence. | Dec 02 00:47 |
MinceR | "In our world where water is dry and the sky is green, it's important to know that Microsoft isn't a vicious company trying to take over the IT industry again, no Sir!" | Dec 02 00:47 |
wispy | true schestowitz | Dec 02 00:48 |
MinceR | technically, it does fit the above list | Dec 02 00:48 |
schestowitz | It's taken for granted that certain truths have already been manufactured | Dec 02 00:48 |
wispy | hi mince | Dec 02 00:48 |
MinceR | (though somehow i feel they wouldn't like it anyway) | Dec 02 00:48 |
schestowitz | To say "Windows is declining" is hard | Dec 02 00:48 |
MinceR | hay wispy | Dec 02 00:48 |
schestowitz | Because Wintel press sets 'standards' i n truths | Dec 02 00:48 |
schestowitz | standard: "Microsoft is rich" | Dec 02 00:48 |
schestowitz | Reality: "Microsoft is entering debt" | Dec 02 00:48 |
wispy | is their stock going down? | Dec 02 00:48 |
schestowitz | standard: "Linux is nowhere near 1%" | Dec 02 00:48 |
schestowitz | Reality: "Linux quietly dominated servers and grows quickly on desktops in developing countries" | Dec 02 00:49 |
schestowitz | Standard: "Linux is hard" | Dec 02 00:49 |
wispy | linux is not hard to use; i didn't need anyone holding my hand.. | Dec 02 00:49 |
schestowitz | Reality: "Anyone tried installing Windows recently?" | Dec 02 00:49 |
wispy | you need all these crazy drivers | Dec 02 00:49 |
schestowitz | Yes, MSFT is down today | Dec 02 00:50 |
schestowitz | And they buy back shares | Dec 02 00:50 |
wispy | so should people sell? | Dec 02 00:50 |
schestowitz | Sell..? | Dec 02 00:50 |
schestowitz | Yes. | Dec 02 00:50 |
wispy | some stockholders are clueless | Dec 02 00:50 |
schestowitz | If only I could convince people. | Dec 02 00:50 |
wispy | they don't have access to this info | Dec 02 00:50 |
schestowitz | Some of them go down with the ship that's wall street. | Dec 02 00:50 |
schestowitz | Sheep down with the ship | Dec 02 00:50 |
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schestowitz | Well, they have CNBC and Bloomberg | Dec 02 00:51 |
MinceR | 015843 <@schestowitz> Reality: "Anyone tried installing Windows recently?" | Dec 02 00:51 |
MinceR | i've tried | Dec 02 00:51 |
schestowitz | So they think they are well equiped. | Dec 02 00:51 |
wispy | i got some internship offers even though finance is looking bad | Dec 02 00:51 |
MinceR | it was a 5 day torture | Dec 02 00:51 |
schestowitz | Uber analysts and Kramer-type personas | Dec 02 00:51 |
MinceR | as the installer CD crashed as long as it saw my partition table | Dec 02 00:51 |
wispy | oh dear lol | Dec 02 00:51 |
MinceR | without any error message | Dec 02 00:51 |
schestowitz | "Buy! Sell! You're smart! I'm rich! Let's make $$$!!" | Dec 02 00:51 |
MinceR | just a black screen and the hdd led left on | Dec 02 00:51 |
MinceR | (that's xp) | Dec 02 00:52 |
wispy | thats crazy, roy haah | Dec 02 00:52 |
schestowitz | Best of Windows | Dec 02 00:52 |
wispy | yikes, mince | Dec 02 00:52 |
schestowitz | Vista is for ricers | Dec 02 00:52 |
MinceR | s/as long/as soon/ | Dec 02 00:52 |
wispy | lol | Dec 02 00:52 |
MinceR | the solution was to back up the partition table, delete all partitions except the ntfs one, install, then restore the backup | Dec 02 00:52 |
schestowitz | How'd ya like your Vista, PUNK!? | Dec 02 00:52 |
wispy | i got vista with my lappy, i switched to ubuntu soon after | Dec 02 00:53 |
schestowitz | Seriously now, they f* it up every month or so with bad patches. | Dec 02 00:53 |
wispy | my friend installed SP1, and it froze her computer | Dec 02 00:53 |
schestowitz | Lots of people gave up when patches that are critical rendered it unbootable. | Dec 02 00:53 |
schestowitz | Typical | Dec 02 00:53 |
schestowitz | I heard of 2/3 failure rate | Dec 02 00:53 |
wispy | yes, she had to reformat | Dec 02 00:54 |
MinceR | oh, and i had to get an install image with a hacked-in sata driver | Dec 02 00:54 |
schestowitz | They nuke it off people's PCs | Dec 02 00:54 |
wispy | hah | Dec 02 00:54 |
MinceR | because in microsoft world, hardware support is something that happens to other people. | Dec 02 00:54 |
schestowitz | They lost the Windows programmers... now it's just temployees | Dec 02 00:54 |
wispy | tough | Dec 02 00:54 |
wispy | linux has good hardware support | Dec 02 00:54 |
wispy | i never had any connectivity problems | Dec 02 00:55 |
MinceR | linux has the best hw support of all OS-es | Dec 02 00:55 |
wispy | ye; | Dec 02 00:55 |
wispy | yep* | Dec 02 00:55 |
MinceR | also, it works out of the box | Dec 02 00:55 |
MinceR | on windows, prepare to spend another day on installing drivers | Dec 02 00:55 |
wispy | very convenient | Dec 02 00:55 |
MinceR | yeah | Dec 02 00:55 |
wispy | :) | Dec 02 00:55 |
MinceR | especially while some wizard keeps popping up and offering to find a driver for me | Dec 02 00:55 |
MinceR | even though i know it won't | Dec 02 00:55 |
wispy | clippy! :P | Dec 02 00:55 |
wispy | he pops up a lot | Dec 02 00:55 |
wispy | i kinda liked him when i was little | Dec 02 00:56 |
schestowitz | I tried several distributions on 3 PCs that I ahve. | Dec 02 00:56 |
schestowitz | In all cases, without exception*, everything worked automagically | Dec 02 00:56 |
wispy | oooooh | Dec 02 00:57 |
wispy | have you used debian lately, roy? | Dec 02 00:57 |
schestowitz | *In one case, Ubuntu 5.0x failed to pick up the sound card volume controller properly, but that was minor... on one PC only. | Dec 02 00:57 |
schestowitz | No Debian, no... I was going to. | Dec 02 00:57 |
wispy | awwww i feel left out lol | Dec 02 00:58 |
wispy | jk | Dec 02 00:58 |
schestowitz | You have Woody and Sid | Dec 02 00:58 |
wispy | etch is my friend | Dec 02 00:58 |
schestowitz | Soon Lenny will come. | Dec 02 00:58 |
wispy | i'd like to meet him | Dec 02 00:58 |
wispy | hehe | Dec 02 00:58 |
schestowitz | He should be stable | Dec 02 00:58 |
schestowitz | He has no viruses. | Dec 02 00:59 |
wispy | i hope he's a stable guy | Dec 02 00:59 |
wispy | good :) | Dec 02 00:59 |
*schestowitz BTW I should point out wispy is a female | Dec 02 00:59 |
wispy | yes i am | Dec 02 00:59 |
schestowitz | It's probably not obvious. | Dec 02 00:59 |
wispy | yeah most people when i chat with them can't tell | Dec 02 01:00 |
schestowitz | Not 'bot female' | Dec 02 01:00 |
wispy | oh no | Dec 02 01:00 |
schestowitz | Like the joke goes in social networks. | Dec 02 01:00 |
schestowitz | If female, then must be SEO spammer | Dec 02 01:00 |
wispy | they friend so many people then spam them | Dec 02 01:00 |
wispy | that's why i never friend chicks | Dec 02 01:01 |
wispy | i have to know them personally | Dec 02 01:01 |
wispy | i check to see if they have good comments | Dec 02 01:01 |
wispy | then i friend them | Dec 02 01:02 |
schestowitz | Good comments? | Dec 02 01:02 |
schestowitz | Like what? | Dec 02 01:02 |
wispy | not random comments like " good blog!" | Dec 02 01:02 |
schestowitz | "Hi, I am looking for new friends" | Dec 02 01:02 |
wispy | something worthwhile | Dec 02 01:02 |
wispy | lol roy | Dec 02 01:02 |
schestowitz | Or "Hi, I'm bored" | Dec 02 01:02 |
wispy | hehe | Dec 02 01:02 |
schestowitz | Or "My father has inherited $10,000,000 and I am stranded in Ghana..." | Dec 02 01:02 |
wispy | eww | Dec 02 01:02 |
wispy | haha silly scammers | Dec 02 01:03 |
MinceR | gn | Dec 02 01:03 |
schestowitz | gn | Dec 02 01:03 |
wispy | i did get a nigerian email, but it was obvious that it was fake | Dec 02 01:03 |
wispy | going to bed? | Dec 02 01:04 |
schestowitz | Me? No. | Dec 02 01:04 |
schestowitz | I post to USENET | Dec 02 01:04 |
schestowitz | Multi-tasking. | Dec 02 01:04 |
wispy | see ya mince | Dec 02 01:04 |
wispy | oops i dodnt see mince type gn | Dec 02 01:04 |
wispy | i multitask too | Dec 02 01:04 |
schestowitz | What with? | Dec 02 01:05 |
schestowitz | When I write I must do this. | Dec 02 01:05 |
schestowitz | To proofread you must blank the mind. | Dec 02 01:05 |
wispy | i don't use anything special, but i mt with my homework | Dec 02 01:05 |
wispy | sounds like a zen saying, roy | Dec 02 01:05 |
wispy | haha | Dec 02 01:05 |
wispy | "To proofread you must blank the mind." | Dec 02 01:05 |
schestowitz | Well... | Dec 02 01:06 |
schestowitz | I wrote that hastily. | Dec 02 01:06 |
schestowitz | I still love writing when it's a flow of thoughts.. | Dec 02 01:06 |
schestowitz | As in here. | Dec 02 01:06 |
schestowitz | Going through text and improving it is often wasteful. | Dec 02 01:06 |
wispy | like a stream of consciousness | Dec 02 01:06 |
PetoKraus | yeah, i do that as well | Dec 02 01:06 |
schestowitz | And yet, a necessity if you treat the reader well. | Dec 02 01:07 |
wispy | yeah i hate proofreading | Dec 02 01:07 |
wispy | sup petrokraus | Dec 02 01:07 |
schestowitz | It also need concentration. | Dec 02 01:07 |
schestowitz | *needs | Dec 02 01:07 |
PetoKraus | though i tend to write stuff on the first time and then just correct the grammzor | Dec 02 01:07 |
wispy | you have great posts with good grammer, roy | Dec 02 01:07 |
schestowitz | Where? | Dec 02 01:07 |
PetoKraus | i guess i feel when I'm being lengthy | Dec 02 01:07 |
wispy | here, silly :D | Dec 02 01:07 |
wispy | thats cool peto | Dec 02 01:08 |
PetoKraus | anyway, good night | Dec 02 01:08 |
PetoKraus | i need to get myself in shape | Dec 02 01:08 |
wispy | see ya! | Dec 02 01:08 |
PetoKraus | thursday i went to sleep at 5, friday at 4:30, saturday at 2:00, sunday at midnight and today at 1:15 | Dec 02 01:09 |
PetoKraus | waking up at 8 every day | Dec 02 01:09 |
wispy | i have a wacky sleep schedule too, i blame college | Dec 02 01:09 |
PetoKraus | which is roy's normal schedule, but i tend to sleep healthy 8 hours a day ;) | Dec 02 01:09 |
wispy | i have to get up at 7:30 tomorrow | Dec 02 01:09 |
schestowitz | Hehe. | Dec 02 01:09 |
wispy | nice, peto | Dec 02 01:09 |
schestowitz | I used to have weird sleeping patterns. | Dec 02 01:09 |
schestowitz | In 2004 I was waking up at about 4 AM | Dec 02 01:10 |
PetoKraus | man, work at saturday was pain | Dec 02 01:10 |
schestowitz | 2005 it was like 2 AM, I think | Dec 02 01:10 |
wispy | wow! | Dec 02 01:10 |
PetoKraus | i was falling asleep while typing new jobs in the database xD | Dec 02 01:10 |
schestowitz | In 2007 waking up at 10 PM was common... sometimes 7PM | Dec 02 01:10 |
wispy | do you use SQL, peto? | Dec 02 01:10 |
schestowitz | Now I'm back to 'normal' | Dec 02 01:10 |
PetoKraus | wispy: it was sage | Dec 02 01:10 |
wispy | omg really roy? | Dec 02 01:10 |
schestowitz | Where normal means other people's norm | Dec 02 01:10 |
PetoKraus | wispy: at work we use bollocks software | Dec 02 01:10 |
wispy | cool, peto | Dec 02 01:10 |
wispy | hah | Dec 02 01:10 |
PetoKraus | though I'm using MySQL on my page | Dec 02 01:10 |
PetoKraus | i don't like it | Dec 02 01:11 |
schestowitz | No? | Dec 02 01:11 |
schestowitz | Why not? | Dec 02 01:11 |
PetoKraus | i don't like the idea of "something managing your data" | Dec 02 01:11 |
schestowitz | It hardly fails. | Dec 02 01:11 |
wispy | i'm trying to learn MySQL | Dec 02 01:11 |
wispy | for business majors, it's a plus if you know it | Dec 02 01:11 |
PetoKraus | there's the hassle of ... you need to be cautious about encoding | Dec 02 01:11 |
PetoKraus | you need to be cautious about injections | Dec 02 01:11 |
schestowitz | PetoKraus: so get the data file uncompressed, flatten it. | Dec 02 01:11 |
wispy | if you're really anal, i guess mysql is okay | Dec 02 01:11 |
wispy | or a perfectionist | Dec 02 01:12 |
PetoKraus | :) | Dec 02 01:12 |
PetoKraus | i just don't like to bother with settings | Dec 02 01:12 |
PetoKraus | i use plain files for both click counter AND comment systems | Dec 02 01:12 |
wispy | do you like the gui while working with databases? | Dec 02 01:12 |
PetoKraus | just because I don't like the idea of sanitizing of the input | Dec 02 01:12 |
PetoKraus | wispy: yes, phpmyadmin xD | Dec 02 01:13 |
wispy | cool hehe | Dec 02 01:13 |
wispy | i want to use python with MySQL; do they work well together? | Dec 02 01:13 |
PetoKraus | i feel it's safer to pipe the output of a form into a file, which will be displayed in HTML, than to pipe it trough mysql, which needs "addslashes" protection | Dec 02 01:13 |
PetoKraus | wispy: python is easy to use, i'd say yes | Dec 02 01:14 |
wispy | yipee :) | Dec 02 01:14 |
PetoKraus | though I did quite a bit of PHP + Mysql | Dec 02 01:14 |
PetoKraus | lately | Dec 02 01:14 |
wispy | yeah i almost started learning php, then i started with python | Dec 02 01:14 |
PetoKraus | and my friend wants me to help him on a code in c++ | Dec 02 01:14 |
schestowitz | Google uses a lot of python. | Dec 02 01:14 |
wispy | and YT! | Dec 02 01:14 |
schestowitz | So ti's a good skill to have,. | Dec 02 01:14 |
wispy | youtube | Dec 02 01:14 |
schestowitz | Perl too | Dec 02 01:14 |
schestowitz | and bash | Dec 02 01:15 |
wispy | can python replace bash? | Dec 02 01:15 |
schestowitz | I did some interviews with them (beyond a first) | Dec 02 01:15 |
schestowitz | Yes | Dec 02 01:15 |
PetoKraus | it can, it's a bit cumbersome though | Dec 02 01:15 |
wispy | hmm python is really multipurpose | Dec 02 01:15 |
schestowitz | For system calls it's different | Dec 02 01:15 |
wispy | oh ok peto | Dec 02 01:15 |
wispy | cool roy | Dec 02 01:15 |
PetoKraus | perl is really better to do scripts than python | Dec 02 01:15 |
PetoKraus | python is more for "wee widgets" | Dec 02 01:16 |
wispy | ok i'll try learning that too | Dec 02 01:16 |
PetoKraus | pygtk is amazingly easy to do | Dec 02 01:16 |
PetoKraus | java's GUI design using swing can just die | Dec 02 01:16 |
wispy | lol :D | Dec 02 01:16 |
PetoKraus | i wouldn't be able to do a thing without netbeans | Dec 02 01:17 |
PetoKraus | in Java | Dec 02 01:17 |
PetoKraus | with python... it's easy. And if it isn't you can still use glade... | Dec 02 01:17 |
wispy | in Advanced placement calculus (back in high school), i knew a boy who loved java. he was really smart | Dec 02 01:17 |
PetoKraus | our class collectively hates java | Dec 02 01:17 |
wispy | thx for the info peto | Dec 02 01:17 |
wispy | on java & python | Dec 02 01:18 |
PetoKraus | just because we were running it on PIII machines with BlueJ IDE | Dec 02 01:18 |
wispy | what are the criticisms of java? | Dec 02 01:18 |
wispy | i heard the financial indutry uses it a lot | Dec 02 01:18 |
wispy | so i was considering learning it | Dec 02 01:18 |
PetoKraus | well, if you can get a T2 Ultrasparc.... | Dec 02 01:18 |
PetoKraus | it's pretty fast on that. | Dec 02 01:18 |
wispy | cool | Dec 02 01:19 |
PetoKraus | it's industry standard | Dec 02 01:19 |
wispy | c++ is loved with financial programmers, too | Dec 02 01:19 |
schestowitz | Java is the #1 p/l | Dec 02 01:19 |
schestowitz | by a big gap | Dec 02 01:19 |
wispy | but java is loved more :) | Dec 02 01:19 |
wispy | roy, do you know java and c++? | Dec 02 01:19 |
schestowitz | Study: Java still top programming language: http://news.cnet.com/8301-... | Dec 02 01:19 |
schestowitz | I hardly used c++. I hacked in it. I did Java though. | Dec 02 01:20 |
schestowitz | C was my main thing. | Dec 02 01:20 |
PetoKraus | schestowitz: got any good tutorials on C++? | Dec 02 01:20 |
wispy | cool, just looked at the link roy | Dec 02 01:20 |
wispy | c is good with hardware, right? | Dec 02 01:20 |
schestowitz | PetoKraus: why C++? Java is better managed. | Dec 02 01:20 |
PetoKraus | i didn't touch it for few years | Dec 02 01:20 |
wispy | roy, you were a hacker? :O | Dec 02 01:20 |
schestowitz | Only Linus still does C | Dec 02 01:21 |
PetoKraus | schestowitz: it's for a sound app | Dec 02 01:21 |
schestowitz | He's God in his own mind, so he won't listen to anyone. | Dec 02 01:21 |
PetoKraus | you don't want to do that in high level | Dec 02 01:21 |
wispy | linus hates c++ i think | Dec 02 01:21 |
schestowitz | I can't recall that quote about this.. | Dec 02 01:21 |
PetoKraus | right, GN | Dec 02 01:22 |
wispy | i agree with him about how KDE is better than gnome hehe | Dec 02 01:22 |
wispy | sry, what does gn stand for? | Dec 02 01:22 |
schestowitz | good night. | Dec 02 01:23 |
schestowitz | Not that I'll be sleeping much. | Dec 02 01:23 |
wispy | ah ok, thx | Dec 02 01:23 |
schestowitz | The days are so short. | Dec 02 01:23 |
wispy | i hate sleeping, but i have to do it :( | Dec 02 01:24 |
wispy | yes i love the sun | Dec 02 01:24 |
schestowitz | If I wake up before 8 it's dark. | Dec 02 01:24 |
wispy | when i was in kindergarten (5 years old), i had to wake at 6 am everyday b/c my school was so far away | Dec 02 01:24 |
wispy | it was dark every morning | Dec 02 01:24 |
wispy | now im in college, and i wake around 8 am on average | Dec 02 01:25 |
wispy | i hate waking up after 10 am | Dec 02 01:25 |
wispy | i wish i was a morning person so i can catch more of the sun, but i'm a night person | Dec 02 01:26 |
wispy | it's just the way my body is lol | Dec 02 01:26 |
wispy | i can concentrate the best around 1 am | Dec 02 01:26 |
schestowitz | 6am?!? | Dec 02 01:26 |
wispy | yes i was a poor little girl | Dec 02 01:27 |
wispy | i could *not* afford to miss the bus, school was 2 hours away | Dec 02 01:27 |
wispy | this was new jersey, not some 3rd world country | Dec 02 01:27 |
wispy | :S | Dec 02 01:27 |
schestowitz | NJ is cool. | Dec 02 01:28 |
schestowitz | I know some people from there. | Dec 02 01:28 |
wispy | have you been here? :) | Dec 02 01:28 |
schestowitz | There are states that are a lot more challenged. | Dec 02 01:29 |
wispy | from where? hope they aren't guidos! | Dec 02 01:29 |
schestowitz | No, not been in NJ | Dec 02 01:29 |
wispy | mississippi | Dec 02 01:29 |
schestowitz | Sheesh | Dec 02 01:29 |
wispy | you should definitely visit nyc and la someday | Dec 02 01:29 |
wispy | hehe roy | Dec 02 01:29 |
schestowitz | twitter is here. | Dec 02 01:29 |
wispy | twitter is in nj?? | Dec 02 01:29 |
zoobab | http://www.digitalmajority.org/forum/t... | Dec 02 01:30 |
schestowitz | I was in Florida and Washington 2 years ago... Virginia too | Dec 02 01:30 |
schestowitz | zoobab: yes, I know. | Dec 02 01:30 |
schestowitz | I was at his talk here. | Dec 02 01:30 |
wispy | i've been to virginia lots of times | Dec 02 01:30 |
zoobab | where here? | Dec 02 01:30 |
schestowitz | Not a very smart person, IMHO, but he's pro FOss | Dec 02 01:30 |
schestowitz | Manchester | Dec 02 01:30 |
schestowitz | he gave a talk | Dec 02 01:30 |
zoobab | let's send him an open letter then | Dec 02 01:30 |
schestowitz | He mentioned Slashdot a lot | Dec 02 01:31 |
schestowitz | I blogged about it back then.. | Dec 02 01:31 |
schestowitz | zoobab: let's do | Dec 02 01:31 |
schestowitz | I used to comment in his blog | Dec 02 01:31 |
schestowitz | What abotu Sutor? | Dec 02 01:31 |
wispy | did he see your blog post, roy? | Dec 02 01:31 |
schestowitz | He's in Aye-Bee-Aim now. | Dec 02 01:31 |
schestowitz | I think so | Dec 02 01:31 |
wispy | ibm? | Dec 02 01:32 |
zoobab | many people read BN | Dec 02 01:32 |
wispy | like i said before, roy is a celeb | Dec 02 01:32 |
schestowitz | I remember that back then (around 2006)... there werre seevral referrals with his full name | Dec 02 01:32 |
schestowitz | So maybe he used Technorati to track it. | Dec 02 01:32 |
schestowitz | IBM=Big Bloop | Dec 02 01:32 |
wispy | lmao | Dec 02 01:32 |
wispy | roy, you reminded me of how some parents spell out things in front of the kids | Dec 02 01:33 |
wispy | XD | Dec 02 01:33 |
wispy | Aye-Bee-Aim | Dec 02 01:33 |
schestowitz | No, none of that. :-| | Dec 02 01:33 |
schestowitz | zoobab: letter about patents? | Dec 02 01:34 |
schestowitz | I think he's one of those INNOVA~1 INTELL~1 PROPER~1 people. | Dec 02 01:34 |
schestowitz | He has those prose-like bloggings about buzzwords... makes you wanna snooze | Dec 02 01:34 |
wispy | i like scandal when i read blogs | Dec 02 01:35 |
wispy | i think i came to the right place, right, roy? | Dec 02 01:35 |
wispy | ;) | Dec 02 01:35 |
schestowitz | Where? | Dec 02 01:35 |
schestowitz | BN? | Dec 02 01:35 |
schestowitz | No scandal there. | Dec 02 01:35 |
wispy | oh yeah | Dec 02 01:36 |
wispy | suuuuure | Dec 02 01:36 |
zoobab | Beth Noveck of Peer to Patent (those who manages to find prior art in binaries) is also in the team | Dec 02 01:36 |
schestowitz | It covers scandals. | Dec 02 01:36 |
schestowitz | It has vandals | Dec 02 01:36 |
zoobab | I was trolling her at Eupaco2 | Dec 02 01:36 |
wispy | you are a poet and you don't know it, roy | Dec 02 01:36 |
zoobab | I still have to post the videos on Youtube and al | Dec 02 01:36 |
zoobab | http://change.gov/learn/policy_... | Dec 02 01:36 |
schestowitz | wispy: no, I just hate white-collar crime | Dec 02 01:37 |
schestowitz | zoobab: good stuff. | Dec 02 01:37 |
wispy | it costs more than street crime | Dec 02 01:37 |
schestowitz | Lots more | Dec 02 01:37 |
wispy | i learned that in my honors sociology class | Dec 02 01:37 |
wispy | billions | Dec 02 01:37 |
schestowitz | Punishment is a petty thing | Dec 02 01:37 |
wispy | lets shame them | Dec 02 01:38 |
zoobab | http://change.gov/learn/pol... | Dec 02 01:38 |
zoobab | "It is ironic that if software patents were disallowed altogether, it might cause legitimate software innovations to then be protected as trade secrets, and thus keep them away from open source projects." | Dec 02 01:38 |
zoobab | http://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/... | Dec 02 01:38 |
wispy | so roy, how's the ph.d? :) | Dec 02 01:38 |
wispy | you must be very smart to get that far | Dec 02 01:38 |
schestowitz | Wow. | Dec 02 01:39 |
schestowitz | zoobab: is that from Irving? | Dec 02 01:39 |
schestowitz | Defending swpats. | Dec 02 01:39 |
zoobab | yeah | Dec 02 01:39 |
schestowitz | wispy: see http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2008... | Dec 02 01:40 |
wispy | just did, thanks! | Dec 02 01:40 |
wispy | you're so close, you can do it! :D | Dec 02 01:40 |
wispy | my sister is getting a ph.d too, in medicine i think | Dec 02 01:41 |
wispy | she's a bio major now | Dec 02 01:41 |
wispy | but she's 18 now | Dec 02 01:41 |
schestowitz | I feel like I finished 3 years ago. | Dec 02 01:41 |
schestowitz | It's an afterthought. | Dec 02 01:41 |
wispy | still, you are younger than a lot of ph.d candidates | Dec 02 01:41 |
wispy | in the us, ph.d candidates start out at around 28 | Dec 02 01:42 |
wispy | graduate school is a long process | Dec 02 01:42 |
wispy | then comes the ph.d | Dec 02 01:42 |
wispy | can i call you dr. schestowitz soon? ;) | Dec 02 01:43 |
schestowitz | Yes | Dec 02 01:44 |
schestowitz | But that's not important. | Dec 02 01:44 |
wispy | cute | Dec 02 01:44 |
schestowitz | If it was, I'd have finished in 2006 | Dec 02 01:45 |
wispy | that's a big accomplishment | Dec 02 01:45 |
schestowitz | Thanks. | Dec 02 01:45 |
wispy | no prob ^.^ | Dec 02 01:45 |
schestowitz | But the Freedom fight is more important. | Dec 02 01:45 |
schestowitz | That's why it's curtailed | Dec 02 01:45 |
schestowitz | I also need the campus | Dec 02 01:45 |
wispy | what's up with the campus? | Dec 02 01:46 |
wispy | you are a freedom figher, roy :) | Dec 02 01:46 |
schestowitz | No. | Dec 02 01:47 |
schestowitz | RMS is. | Dec 02 01:47 |
schestowitz | Campus if good for protection and support. | Dec 02 01:47 |
schestowitz | it fosters thinking and peace | Dec 02 01:47 |
wispy | rms is da man | Dec 02 01:48 |
wispy | ah so you are a scholar | Dec 02 01:48 |
schestowitz | I still have acces to heads of departments. | Dec 02 01:48 |
wispy | i support you, roy. you have friends in cyberspace, too | Dec 02 01:48 |
schestowitz | Not scholar, hacker.;-) | Dec 02 01:48 |
wispy | cool | Dec 02 01:48 |
wispy | hahaha | Dec 02 01:48 |
wispy | i can't hack, i'm such a n00b | Dec 02 01:48 |
wispy | since i'm a girl, i didn't get much support when i was younger. *now* i'm learning how to program | Dec 02 01:49 |
wispy | all the guys were at it since they were preteens | Dec 02 01:49 |
schestowitz | It's self learning that counts. | Dec 02 01:49 |
schestowitz | Education is exaggerated. | Dec 02 01:49 |
schestowitz | But people judge others by pieces of papers. | Dec 02 01:49 |
schestowitz | *paper | Dec 02 01:49 |
wispy | the internet really showed me that tech is interesting | Dec 02 01:49 |
wispy | my parents thought the Internet was a bad place, so i didn't go on too often | Dec 02 01:50 |
schestowitz | Tech is a subculture | Dec 02 01:50 |
schestowitz | Everything is | Dec 02 01:50 |
schestowitz | There are better causes | Dec 02 01:50 |
schestowitz | Political, environmental.. | Dec 02 01:50 |
wispy | yes, true | Dec 02 01:50 |
schestowitz | I don't subscribe into baking and lawyers as 'causes' | Dec 02 01:50 |
schestowitz | They are middlemen. | Dec 02 01:50 |
wispy | i'm interested in so many things | Dec 02 01:50 |
wispy | like the mafiaa? | Dec 02 01:51 |
schestowitz | They are interfering, but they act as glue that's parasitic. | Dec 02 01:51 |
wispy | i agree that self learning is vital, roy | Dec 02 01:51 |
schestowitz | mafiia is anti-art | Dec 02 01:51 |
wispy | haha roy | Dec 02 01:51 |
schestowitz | Depreviation of self expression | Dec 02 01:51 |
wispy | that's sad :'( | Dec 02 01:51 |
schestowitz | It is argued yet it can never be proven that's its an innate thing for a person to want to create things and also strive to escape authority for individualism... MAFIAA is against all that. | Dec 02 01:52 |
schestowitz | MAFIAA is abotu swallowing an ocean of creativity. | Dec 02 01:52 |
schestowitz | Blockbuster = one producer = 200,000,000 viewers | Dec 02 01:52 |
schestowitz | YouTube's ratios are different. | Dec 02 01:52 |
wispy | that's profound, roy, the first part you wrote :) | Dec 02 01:53 |
wispy | YT is so awesome, the users win in the end | Dec 02 01:53 |
schestowitz | YT? | Dec 02 01:54 |
schestowitz | Oh, Youtube duh | Dec 02 01:54 |
wispy | youtube :) | Dec 02 01:54 |
wispy | hehe that's ok | Dec 02 01:55 |
schestowitz | Grolaw fights for YouTube too. | Dec 02 01:55 |
schestowitz | See latest post here. | Dec 02 01:55 |
wispy | pam? | Dec 02 01:55 |
schestowitz | PJ found the videos that I found a month ago and put in BN | Dec 02 01:55 |
zoobab | which videos? | Dec 02 01:55 |
wispy | she's digs deep | Dec 02 01:55 |
wispy | she* | Dec 02 01:56 |
wispy | how does she find all that stuff? | Dec 02 01:57 |
wispy | she's a super sleuth | Dec 02 01:57 |
schestowitz | zoobab: see Grolaw news picks... hold on | Dec 02 01:57 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/30/atta... | Dec 02 01:58 |
wispy | thanks for the link | Dec 02 01:59 |
schestowitz | It's a boring talk. | Dec 02 02:01 |
wispy | kinda like some of the lectures at my school | Dec 02 02:02 |
wispy | lectures don't help me learn, i learn best by reading | Dec 02 02:02 |
schestowitz | Lectures justify payment to profs | Dec 02 02:03 |
schestowitz | It also makes them feel good about themselves | Dec 02 02:03 |
wispy | yea haha | Dec 02 02:04 |
wispy | some of my classes are really short, i guess the profs get bored too | Dec 02 02:04 |
wispy | XD | Dec 02 02:04 |
schestowitz | OK, i'm being too cynical here, but let's face it: many things that are traditionally done in academia are a Jurassic age. They could use the Web. People don't require books, data is better indexed electronically and we don't need conferences overseas ans libraries to store volumes. | Dec 02 02:04 |
wispy | libraries have a charm to them, that's one thing good about them :) | Dec 02 02:05 |
wispy | but i agree roy | Dec 02 02:05 |
wispy | the kindle is a good idea | Dec 02 02:06 |
schestowitz | Young generations haven't the nostalgia of libs | Dec 02 02:06 |
schestowitz | I don't even use pen and paper anymor.e | Dec 02 02:06 |
wispy | textbooks are priced harshly, electronic versions should push prices down | Dec 02 02:06 |
zoobab | someone should create online university courses | Dec 02 02:06 |
schestowitz | People who grow up without it won't yearn for it. | Dec 02 02:06 |
wispy | i do hehe roy | Dec 02 02:06 |
zoobab | because university teachers are so bad | Dec 02 02:06 |
schestowitz | zoobab: yes, that's already been done, no? | Dec 02 02:06 |
zoobab | at teaching | Dec 02 02:06 |
wispy | so true zoobab | Dec 02 02:07 |
schestowitz | textbooks are a scheme like a pyramid | Dec 02 02:07 |
zoobab | yes, but not free ones | Dec 02 02:07 |
schestowitz | I can't recall the classic explanation. | Dec 02 02:07 |
schestowitz | But it's like a cycle of money where unis pass lots of money in a closed system. | Dec 02 02:07 |
schestowitz | Tuition fees too are like price0gouging. | Dec 02 02:07 |
wispy | ugh tell me about it! :( | Dec 02 02:07 |
schestowitz | Susbription to journals... IEEE at like 13k per year | Dec 02 02:08 |
wispy | i had this one economics book that was only one year old, and a new edition came out | Dec 02 02:08 |
schestowitz | Conference fees are high. | Dec 02 02:08 |
wispy | insane | Dec 02 02:08 |
schestowitz | Tuition is inflated | Dec 02 02:08 |
wispy | so i sold that book for $35 and i bought it for $110! | Dec 02 02:08 |
wispy | what a loss | Dec 02 02:08 |
schestowitz | And people must stock books to fund the same publications that publish their rubbish | Dec 02 02:09 |
wispy | yep, in nj colleges are getting less support from the state | Dec 02 02:09 |
wispy | that hurts students | Dec 02 02:09 |
wispy | so many textbooks i bought are written by profs that teach here | Dec 02 02:10 |
wispy | ripoff | Dec 02 02:10 |
schestowitz | No, creating jobs. | Dec 02 02:11 |
schestowitz | But this circulation fail to work | Dec 02 02:11 |
schestowitz | Long-term.. | Dec 02 02:11 |
schestowitz | Watch how the ecnomy collapses | Dec 02 02:11 |
schestowitz | Poor students suffer a lot | Dec 02 02:11 |
schestowitz | I can't imagine that it's good for research grants (low priority) | Dec 02 02:11 |
wispy | yes it's sad | Dec 02 02:12 |
schestowitz | A friend of mine is a furious professor who saw this coming. | Dec 02 02:12 |
wispy | my family is quite well off, but i hate money being spent needlessly on tuition and books | Dec 02 02:12 |
schestowitz | He's actually the one who encouraged me to apply for a PhD in Cambridge back in 2002 | Dec 02 02:12 |
schestowitz | He is one among many who will suffer from this economic blast | Dec 02 02:13 |
wispy | awwww | Dec 02 02:13 |
wispy | so is he your mentor? | Dec 02 02:13 |
schestowitz | Soup kitchens come before "I'd like to toy around with some tubes and chemicals" | Dec 02 02:13 |
schestowitz | No, he's not. | Dec 02 02:13 |
schestowitz | He's in infectious disease (pure medicine) | Dec 02 02:13 |
wispy | ah i see | Dec 02 02:14 |
wispy | tubes and chemicals lead to ground breaking advances, so there should be *some* funding | Dec 02 02:14 |
wispy | but the govt does not realize this | Dec 02 02:14 |
schestowitz | It's not a priority | Dec 02 02:15 |
schestowitz | The world needs water, food, deflation in birth (through control) | Dec 02 02:15 |
schestowitz | Or rlse it's heading towards massive disaster | Dec 02 02:16 |
schestowitz | Cure for disease is peanuts compared to deaths from starvation and war | Dec 02 02:16 |
wispy | uh oh | Dec 02 02:16 |
wispy | starvation is a big problem for young children | Dec 02 02:17 |
wispy | they are so weak and need to grow but they can't | Dec 02 02:17 |
schestowitz | It leads to war | Dec 02 02:18 |
schestowitz | Lack or water -> war | Dec 02 02:18 |
wispy | throughout history, people fought many wars because of resources | Dec 02 02:19 |
wispy | i learned that in my environmental history class | Dec 02 02:19 |
schestowitz | Oil anyone? | Dec 02 02:20 |
wispy | hehe | Dec 02 02:21 |
wispy | so roy, do you live in an apartment or a house? i still live in a dorm | Dec 02 02:22 |
schestowitz | Apartment | Dec 02 02:24 |
twitter | Heh, Universities are still good for research and conferences are still interesting. | Dec 02 02:24 |
schestowitz | It's like islands. | Dec 02 02:24 |
schestowitz | In a world of crime and dogs (that eat dogs ;-) ) | Dec 02 02:24 |
wispy | haha cool | Dec 02 02:25 |
twitter | I have yet to find a good substitute for a chalk board to get work done with a few clued people. | Dec 02 02:25 |
wispy | hey twitter | Dec 02 02:25 |
twitter | hello | Dec 02 02:25 |
twitter | It's also helpful to have all sorts of specialists in walking distance. | Dec 02 02:26 |
wispy | i have a small chalkboard at home, but i got it when i was 9 | Dec 02 02:26 |
wispy | my little sister drew on a part of it with marker | Dec 02 02:26 |
wispy | so she sort of damaged it | Dec 02 02:26 |
twitter | Masonite + Chalkboard paint = 8x4' chalk board. If you do it with white board on the other side, you have a dual purpose board. | Dec 02 02:26 |
twitter | it works well if you get good paint. | Dec 02 02:27 |
wispy | yeah there was a whiteboard on the other side | Dec 02 02:27 |
wispy | not sure why she didnt use that | Dec 02 02:27 |
wispy | :S | Dec 02 02:27 |
twitter | ink stinks | Dec 02 02:27 |
wispy | cool twitter | Dec 02 02:27 |
wispy | that rhymes | Dec 02 02:27 |
wispy | lol | Dec 02 02:27 |
twitter | The physics department here used to have a huge bunch of sliding blackboards. That was good for problem solving. | Dec 02 02:28 |
twitter | Two boards wide, three deep. | Dec 02 02:28 |
wispy | when i took honors physics in high school 3 years ago, we had sliding white boards | Dec 02 02:28 |
wispy | same here twitter | Dec 02 02:29 |
wispy | actually two deep | Dec 02 02:29 |
wispy | for me | Dec 02 02:29 |
twitter | Here's bad news. France seems to have it's 3 strikes law back. http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?s... | Dec 02 02:32 |
twitter | This Nicolas Sarkozy is really a disaster. He's the same guy who's undoing the 35 hour a week laws and other cool stuff. I hope he tries to mess with food purity, so that people will kick him out. | Dec 02 02:33 |
twitter | my kids are calling me. good night. | Dec 02 02:34 |
wispy | see ya! | Dec 02 02:34 |
wispy | thanks for the link, twitter | Dec 02 02:34 |
wispy | Roy, it was great talking to you. I have to go, too. I'll be back for another nice chat session. Bye! | Dec 02 02:36 |
schestowitz | Sarkozy is corruption | Dec 02 02:36 |
schestowitz | The guy is trouble | Dec 02 02:36 |
schestowitz | White collar crime with a crown on his head. | Dec 02 02:36 |
wispy | He's mean. | Dec 02 02:36 |
wispy | oh i thought you left, so i was going to leave too | Dec 02 02:37 |
wispy | I forgot to say "hi" to logger_bot. | Dec 02 02:38 |
wispy | Hi, logger_bot! | Dec 02 02:38 |
schestowitz | Heh | Dec 02 02:40 |
schestowitz | He's deaf | Dec 02 02:40 |
schestowitz | I'm always here. | Dec 02 02:40 |
wispy | that's good that you're here for us :) | Dec 02 02:41 |
wispy | so committed | Dec 02 02:41 |
wispy | logger_bot is still cool to me | Dec 02 02:41 |
schestowitz | There's this nnoying stalker in BN | Dec 02 02:43 |
schestowitz | He stalks twitter mostly. | Dec 02 02:43 |
schestowitz | Now he's flooding the site with abuse. | Dec 02 02:43 |
schestowitz | I'm waiting for that thing to go away | Dec 02 02:43 |
schestowitz | Since we don't censor and I can't be bother | Dec 02 02:43 |
schestowitz | As I said before, f* vandals | Dec 02 02:44 |
wispy | hear, hear! | Dec 02 02:44 |
schestowitz | Bunch of people's whose life goal is to ruin sites. | Dec 02 02:44 |
wispy | did he just come? | Dec 02 02:44 |
schestowitz | Yes | Dec 02 02:44 |
wispy | that's a sad life | Dec 02 02:44 |
wispy | darn | Dec 02 02:44 |
schestowitz | They ruin Slashdot too | Dec 02 02:44 |
schestowitz | Which is why the site dives. | Dec 02 02:44 |
wispy | leave us alone! | Dec 02 02:44 |
wispy | argghhh | Dec 02 02:44 |
wispy | hey roy, what is that blue fish for? | Dec 02 02:45 |
wispy | that icon | Dec 02 02:45 |
schestowitz | I thought about changing it | Dec 02 02:47 |
schestowitz | It's standard GNOME icon. | Dec 02 02:47 |
wispy | it's cute | Dec 02 02:47 |
wispy | keep it :) | Dec 02 02:47 |
schestowitz | It became symbolic for the links. | Dec 02 02:47 |
schestowitz | I can't change this footprint now. | Dec 02 02:47 |
wispy | if that's the case, i suggest not changing it | Dec 02 02:48 |
wispy | i am a fish owner, and my koi are over a foot long | Dec 02 02:48 |
wispy | they have lovely demeanors, and they come up to me when they are hungry | Dec 02 02:48 |
wispy | koi are friendly fish | Dec 02 02:49 |
wispy | brb | Dec 02 02:51 |
schestowitz | Cot fish. | Dec 02 02:52 |
schestowitz | *Coy | Dec 02 02:52 |
wispy | hi again | Dec 02 02:53 |
wispy | you have some? | Dec 02 02:53 |
wispy | yea they are coy ;) | Dec 02 02:53 |
wispy | i'm off, Roy. See you soon! | Dec 02 02:57 |
schestowitz | Okay, I'm done soon too | Dec 02 02:57 |
wispy | take care! ^__^ | Dec 02 02:59 |
wispy | xx | Dec 02 02:59 |
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