| Omar87 | mhmm | Dec 30 15:51 |
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| Omar87 | have fun. | Dec 30 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Dec 30 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | Nice. We've just been put in the front page of Linux Today | Dec 30 15:54 |
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| Omar87 | Cool! | Dec 30 15:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://appdb.winehq.org/object... | Dec 30 15:55 |
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| schestowitz | We have about 10,000 hits/hour today | Dec 30 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | Pavel Mah (Linux Hax0r) is shout-spamming in Digg: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Obligato... | Dec 30 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | I've only just realised this. | Dec 30 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | Digg has detected this behaviour and blocked it from the FP, but in the past he managed to sneak through. | Dec 30 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | That, to me at least, is why Digg is kaput. Front page stories are not important news, but mostly people who spam for or game the system somehow | Dec 30 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | In 2006, 30 legitimate Diggs would put you in the front page | Dec 30 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | The news that was accepted was much better. Than came the gamers and marketing people to ruins the site for everyone. | Dec 30 16:15 |
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| trmanco | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J... | Dec 30 16:27 |
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| trmanco | http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Digg_is_R... | Dec 30 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. | Dec 30 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the top!! | Dec 30 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | Pavel Mah | Dec 30 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | Talk about headshot | Dec 30 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. Done watching | Dec 30 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | Being 'senior' is one thing | Dec 30 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | gaming is another | Dec 30 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | I left a comment to Pavel telling him not to shout-spam | Dec 30 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | Shout-spamming is why Itottally disabled this feature after it was introduced. | Dec 30 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | People kept spamming me asking for Diggs | Dec 30 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | I did like 5 interviews for people who approached me re: Digg and I told them all this. I'm surprised it's not common knowledge. | Dec 30 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | Here are those guys whom you think sound like borgs: http://linuxvoid.com/2008/12/29/... | Dec 30 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | *who | Dec 30 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | : -( Debian mourns the loss of Thiemo Seufer < http://www.debian.org/News... > | Dec 30 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | "The Debian Project has lost an active member of its community. Thiemo Seufer died on December 26th in a tragic car accident." | Dec 30 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | Lilo from freenode dies in an accident on his bike a few years ago | Dec 30 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | *died | Dec 30 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | wb, kapipi, neighborlee. neighborlee Jo is out. I didn't ask him; he just knocked himself out for losing an argument. | Dec 30 17:35 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, yup I know ;) | Dec 30 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | If he can't convince others, then he quits | Dec 30 17:36 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, hard to forget his use of expletives, but as usual not surprising ;)) | Dec 30 17:36 |
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| kapipi | Thanks :-D | Dec 30 17:37 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, Jo ( and those like him) are so caught up in their push for mono and derivitives that they dont get that their language undermines their goals, though its good for us so I'd say..and on losing: he(they) lost a LONG time ago ;) | Dec 30 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | Remember this? http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/29/microso... Well, I assume the chap is either trying to grab a bit of fame by exposing dark secrets that are now leaked or is trying to pass guilt to Microsoft. There was a little frication between him and his employer, which tried to characterise him (and his presentation) as a lone wolf, a dissident. | Dec 30 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | Another theory is that the guy saw all the bad publicity about him on the Web, so he tried to correct it. Maybe some life experience drove him to remorse. | Dec 30 17:47 |
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| kapipi | Allow me to ask: What is wrong with using mono? | Dec 30 17:47 |
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| kapipi | (Not that I disagree, I just don't have any informed opinion :-) | Dec 30 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | There are several | Dec 30 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | To phrase them out roughly | Dec 30 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | 1) it gives Microsoft API control | Dec 30 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | 2) it put burden of MS-owned patents on Linux developers | Dec 30 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | 3) it makes Linux apps dependent on the way .NET evolves | Dec 30 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | 4) It gives a Microsoft ally (Novell) control. It owns Mono. | Dec 30 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | And so on and so forth | Dec 30 17:49 |
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| kapipi | Does MS own mono? | Dec 30 17:50 |
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| kapipi | Or are they just able to influence it strongly? | Dec 30 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | Why else do you think MS bloggers promote Mono? | Dec 30 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | In the past, MS asked them not to "because we [it] reserves the right to sue] | Dec 30 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | Said Scoble | Dec 30 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | kapipi: Mono is a follower | Dec 30 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | Like Firefox follows HTML | Dec 30 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | IE tried to deviate from Web standards | Dec 30 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | It's not easy | Dec 30 17:51 |
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| kapipi | But theoretically, the mono developers are free to follow a MS path or not aren't they? | Dec 30 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | Tricky one here. | Dec 30 17:54 |
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| schestowitz | Firstly, by deviating, the whole false 'promie about RAND-Z goes away | Dec 30 17:54 |
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| schestowitz | Same issue with OOXML | Dec 30 17:54 |
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| schestowitz | Moreover, there's the compatibilitu and dependency issue | Dec 30 17:54 |
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| schestowitz | I argued over this point with Jo Shields last wek | Dec 30 17:54 |
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| schestowitz | *week | Dec 30 17:54 |
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| kapipi | Hmm, I think I'll have to do a bit of googling, I don't know the RAND-Z issue | Dec 30 17:56 |
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| kapipi | bbl :-D | Dec 30 17:57 |
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| neighborlee | kapipi, mono is only 'free' for those of novel, see here: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s... < but this is only the tip of the iceberg,,feel free to discover the facts. That and moonlight, the supposed freee version of silverlight has been solidly rejected by fedora and debian both..that and slverlight downloads ( from M$'s own site) is only for vista and apple which says alot imho. | Dec 30 18:05 |
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| neighborlee | kapipi, its a issue with a very lengthy portfolio ;) | Dec 30 18:05 |
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| neighborlee | kapipi, that and,M$ has gone out of its way to make only it face known and hopefully used by everyone..to the extent that it trys to circumvent oss technology ( see: ooxml ), linux is a 'cancer' ( ballmer comment), etc.etc...oh and that its kinda risky using softare ( unlesss you are forced to ?) from a covicted monopolist ;) | Dec 30 18:07 |
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| neighborlee | as I say as you read you find out more, its all out there on google etc..:) | Dec 30 18:07 |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Dec 30 18:32 |
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| kapipi | Read the silverlight license story neighborlee posted. Meh, I hate legalese. | Dec 30 18:52 |
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| neighborlee | ditto ^ | Dec 30 18:53 |
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| kapipi | It's hard to read, even in my native language. | Dec 30 18:54 |
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| neighborlee | kapipi, roy has done a great job of trying to give all the facts, comment on themand remain objective..so BN is good to stay up to date on many things, but as well feel free to google as I noted earlier | Dec 30 18:54 |
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| neighborlee | kapipi, yes it is | Dec 30 18:55 |
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| kapipi | ok | Dec 30 18:55 |
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| neighborlee | I hate legalese too,,its really annoying | Dec 30 18:55 |
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| neighborlee | I found out hard way, when having to digest my fathers will with a dear friend of mine.. | Dec 30 18:55 |
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| neighborlee | then another friend suggested we check out a law d ictionary , which yielded answer we needed ;) | Dec 30 18:56 |
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| neighborlee | weird stuff | Dec 30 18:56 |
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| kapipi | I want to form my own opinion on the novell / ms issues, but, on the other hand I don't have much time to read lengthy articles about it :-D | Dec 30 18:57 |
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| kapipi | I have a part time job which involves administrating novell servers, and as a student I'm doing research on a novell sponsored project (project-banshee), so I fell that need to get at least a bit of info on the subject. | Dec 30 19:00 |
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| neighborlee | kapipi, not uncommon | Dec 30 19:39 |
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| neighborlee | kapipi,personally it not just mono &/or moonlight per se afa its license yadda..to me anything coming from a untrusted source like MIcrosoft is automatically lacking serious credibility due to their treatment of ODF, the cancer comment by ballmer ( linux is a 'cancer') and the nassssty ISO incident which many countries have since objected to soundly..they just dont play ball on the same level as the rest of us. | Dec 30 19:42 |
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| neighborlee | kapipi, to me they are all red flags, so why should I trust microsoft to offer any kind of standards ? | Dec 30 19:43 |
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| neighborlee | but anyway,,read what you can and enlighten yourself. | Dec 30 19:43 |
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| trmanco | how are the gas prices in you country? | Dec 30 19:54 |
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| neighborlee | not down far enough :)) | Dec 30 19:56 |
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| neighborlee | but im cheap..I want the days of .35 again ! lol | Dec 30 19:56 |
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| neighborlee | atm I think near us, they are $1.85/gal | Dec 30 19:56 |
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| neighborlee | at least better than $4.89 ooooooooomgosh that was nasty | Dec 30 19:57 |
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| neighborlee | cheaper the further west of us you go..basically | Dec 30 19:57 |
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| trmanco | how much is a gallon in liters? | Dec 30 19:58 |
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| neighborlee | 2x I think ~ | Dec 30 19:59 |
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| trmanco | in my country diesel is at 0.95 € per liter | Dec 30 19:59 |
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| trmanco | still too expensive | Dec 30 19:59 |
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| neighborlee | | Dec 30 19:59 |
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| neighborlee | 1 US gallon = 3.78541178 litres | Dec 30 19:59 |
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| trmanco | almost 4 | Dec 30 19:59 |
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| neighborlee | yup | Dec 30 19:59 |
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| neighborlee | yeah diesel is still nasty here | Dec 30 20:00 |
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| neighborlee | feel sorry for truckers | Dec 30 20:00 |
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| trmanco | gasoline here is more than 1€, I don't know the exact price | Dec 30 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | kapipi: if you need a longer article, see http://boycottnovell.com/faq/ | Dec 30 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | American gallon of British gallon? | Dec 30 20:08 |
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| trmanco | American I guess | Dec 30 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | Here's an interesting thing. | Dec 30 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | You ask an editor to do an article about Microsoft's dirty trick. | Dec 30 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | Then, they change the subject | Dec 30 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | I tried to publish in the press about the AstroTurfing from Microsoft. | Dec 30 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | Anyway, I have another plan. I'll do an interview when soon when something important comes. :-) Some of my older questions were too intrusive. I love dissecting issues and readers do too. It benefits all. But editors and suits hate it. | Dec 30 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | You must stick to conventional statement, but only concision can ever achieve this. If you want to express a lesser known point of view, then you must provide a lot of evidence, and this simply can't be wrapped up briefly. | Dec 30 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | Here we go again. More IT Budget, Staff Cuts Expected in 2009 < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156143/m... >; AMD Costs Layoffs at $70M, Can't Say Yet About ATI Writedown < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156141/amd_cost... > | Dec 30 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | People didn't say the "D" word and "L" word over Xmas, but it'll come back shortly. | Dec 30 20:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/156157/fry... (Fry's Electronics VP Faces Criminal Charges and Lawsuit) | Dec 30 20:24 |
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| kapipi | neighborlee: but how far should you let the "untrustworthiness" reach? to novell? to novell sponsored projects? | Dec 30 20:25 |
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| kapipi | but yes, ms is definitely in the gray-to-black area for me | Dec 30 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | Mr. Neighbor has been a Mono critics for years | Dec 30 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | Even before the Microsoft deal. | Dec 30 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | *Critic (singular) | Dec 30 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | Next year we might have that infamous Internet disaster Lessig warned about: Crime to boom as downturn blooms < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/techn... > | Dec 30 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | Gina Trapani's back: http://lifehacker.com/5120228/whats-on-... | Dec 30 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm... the guy who ran some OOo blog/s has a new personal one and collects donations (AndrewZ): http://bleachbit.blogspot.com/2008... | Dec 30 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | Could he be laid off from Sun or something? | Dec 30 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/20... | Dec 30 20:48 |
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| kapipi | The linux registry cleaner myth.. must be a joke right? | Dec 30 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | Not really? | Dec 30 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | It's like cookie cutter | Dec 30 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2... | Dec 30 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | It's funny because it shows the very same person whom I mentioned earlie (Pavel) for shout-spamming, i.e. abusing, Digg. | Dec 30 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | As Economy Dips, Arrests for Shoplifting Soar < http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/23/... > | Dec 30 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | Same with cybercrime of course. | Dec 30 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/20... Why be there in the first place? Oil? | Dec 30 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | Carrying Gunpowder through Airport Security < http://wildbee.org/2008/12/09/carrying... >. War on nonsense. | Dec 30 21:04 |
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| trmanco | LOOL | Dec 30 21:07 |
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| trmanco | "I have a video on my hard drive and it won't play as a meesage from Media | Dec 30 21:07 |
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| trmanco | Player says "my Digital Rights License has expired". How can I get to play | Dec 30 21:07 |
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| trmanco | this video on my pc? The file is a WMV." | Dec 30 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | Where from? | Dec 30 21:07 |
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| trmanco | http://groups.google.com/group/24hoursup... | Dec 30 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | I heard of people who can't view family video because some stupid Western Digital HDD are made defective by design | Dec 30 21:08 |
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| neighborlee_ | kapipi, anywhere I have a choice of what software to use , I take that choice very seriously | Dec 30 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | I can't link to it. | Dec 30 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | "Pay for it, you pirate cunt. " | Dec 30 21:09 |
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| neighborlee_ | kapipi, if I knew a given car manufacturer was unworthy of my money and trust in their products, you can be sure Id look elsewhere ;) | Dec 30 21:09 |
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| neighborlee_ | schestowitz, woah ;) | Dec 30 21:10 |
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| -christel-[Global Notice] Hi all, It would appear one of our US client servers have fallen off the edge of the discwo^H^H^H^H^H^Hinternet and all but vanished! We're looking into the issue now and hope to have it back soon. Affected users ~3K. Apologies for the inconvenience and thank you for flying freenode! | Dec 30 21:10 |
| kapipi | I'm not sure I could find any car manufacturer with a clean record. | Dec 30 21:10 |
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| neighborlee_ | I hope you get my point | Dec 30 21:11 |
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| neighborlee_ | if that means going with honda, vs ford, ill do it | Dec 30 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | Palamida helps the spreading of fear: http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/n... | Dec 30 21:11 |
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| kapipi | I do, but for me it's more a matter of finding the lesser evil (with cars) | Dec 30 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | It says nothing about IE and WIndows total compromises, with exploits in the eild | Dec 30 21:11 |
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| kapipi | With software, it's finding the lesser risk | Dec 30 21:12 |
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| neighborlee_ | kapipi, and form atm anyway,the lesser evil is kde, and no mono | Dec 30 21:12 |
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| neighborlee_ | for me ^ | Dec 30 21:12 |
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| kapipi | Hmm, I would not be happy to have to dump gnome. | Dec 30 21:12 |
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| neighborlee_ | and I am not either ;)( | Dec 30 21:12 |
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| neighborlee_ | :( | Dec 30 21:12 |
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| neighborlee_ | very unhappy about it | Dec 30 21:13 |
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| kapipi | so you are dumping it based on the connections to novel? | Dec 30 21:13 |
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| neighborlee_ | I am | Dec 30 21:13 |
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| kapipi | or to mono? | Dec 30 21:13 |
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| neighborlee_ | yes | Dec 30 21:13 |
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| neighborlee_ | I wont go anywhere near it atm | Dec 30 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | It seems like we lost no-one in #bn because of that downtime. | Dec 30 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | Other channels lost some. | Dec 30 21:14 |
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| neighborlee_ | :) | Dec 30 21:14 |
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| kapipi | I don't think I have a problem using gnome. But perhaps I am happily uninformed. | Dec 30 21:15 |
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| neighborlee_ | its their adoption of tomboy | Dec 30 21:16 |
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| kapipi | Ah my favorite app | Dec 30 21:16 |
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| neighborlee_ | and my least n eeded ;) | Dec 30 21:16 |
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| neighborlee_ | ymmv ;) | Dec 30 21:16 |
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| benJIman | If only it were free software so you wern't forced to use that particular component. | Dec 30 21:16 |
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| kapipi | I am heavily addicted to it. | Dec 30 21:16 |
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| neighborlee_ | benJIman, correcgt | Dec 30 21:16 |
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| neighborlee_ | ect | Dec 30 21:16 |
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| neighborlee_ | kapipi, you should know there are alternatives | Dec 30 21:16 |
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| neighborlee_ | kapipi, zim etc. | Dec 30 21:17 |
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| neighborlee_ | zim is just as good I hear | Dec 30 21:17 |
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| neighborlee_ | maybe better in some regards | Dec 30 21:17 |
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| neighborlee_ | just fyi | Dec 30 21:17 |
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| neighborlee_ | bbl thx for chat as always | Dec 30 21:18 |
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| kapipi | Thank you too | Dec 30 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1350... | Dec 30 21:22 |
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| kapipi | neighborlee_: personally I would not dump gnome / tomboy on grounds of the usage of mono, to use the car allegory, you probably won't scrap your ford when you found out the company manufactured most of Nazi germanys car park | Dec 30 21:25 |
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| MinceR | can they sue you for using mono without owning a suse license? | Dec 30 21:26 |
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| kapipi | but on the other hand I hope that the novell connections will become less problematic | Dec 30 21:26 |
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| MinceR | the community should disconnect from novell | Dec 30 21:27 |
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| MinceR | that would solve the problem | Dec 30 21:27 |
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| kapipi | I don't think it's that simple, company sponsorship can be good, but perhaps some projects needs to be more critical of the terms under which they're sponsored. | Dec 30 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | SSL broken! Hackers create rogue CA certificate using MD5 collisions < http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2339 > | Dec 30 21:42 |
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| MinceR | some company sponsorship can be good, but you can't expect anything good from sponsorship by micro$oft. | Dec 30 21:42 |
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| neighborlee_ | MinceR, even their own employees have often been bitten, as can be seen from the vista compatible mess they created..a engineer got bitten by it and their own PR sales rep said they should fix things now , rather than latre and they ignored her. | Dec 30 21:45 |
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| neighborlee_ | id have to google but I recall reading all about it | Dec 30 21:46 |
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| neighborlee_ | the engineer had purchased a high spec laptop and couldn't run vista,,he was very disappointed it seems | Dec 30 21:47 |
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| MinceR | neighborlee_: is that related to some comment i've made? :) | Dec 30 21:47 |
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| neighborlee_ | no directly | Dec 30 21:47 |
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| MinceR | ok | Dec 30 21:48 |
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| neighborlee_ | but it does relate to MIcrosoft and things coming from them needing to be held to high suspicion | Dec 30 21:48 |
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| MinceR | ic | Dec 30 21:48 |
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| neighborlee_ | <MinceR> some company sponsorship can be good, but you can't expect anything good from sponsorship by micro$oft. < last part | Dec 30 21:48 |
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| neighborlee_ | reminded me I guess about those two instances. | Dec 30 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | Novell is funded by MS | Dec 30 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | The money they got from MS to f* kill(C) Linux is far more than Novell has earned from Linux /COMBINED/ | Dec 30 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | AFAIK | Dec 30 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | As in, /ever/ (since buying SUSE) | Dec 30 21:50 |
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| neighborlee_ | of course, its in their own interest, that moonlight and mono became a defacto standard ;)) | Dec 30 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | MOOX too | Dec 30 21:50 |
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| neighborlee_ | wth is that ;)) | Dec 30 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | Hence translater, go-ooxml | Dec 30 21:50 |
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| neighborlee_ | ahhhh | Dec 30 21:51 |
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| neighborlee_ | :)) | Dec 30 21:51 |
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| neighborlee_ | its really a shame..I like some of the things opensuse does, but they are major tainted in that mono is there by default and , last I checked, trying to remove mono usually was met with huge resistance from yast ;( | Dec 30 21:52 |
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| neighborlee_ | but I gotta admit I love their installer,,its amazing. | Dec 30 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | Gentoo Sucks, Ubuntu Doesn’t. < http://biodegradablegeek.com/2008/12/g... > | Dec 30 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | Blunt. | Dec 30 21:52 |
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| neighborlee_ | and the os itself has some nice polish | Dec 30 21:52 |
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| MinceR | neighborlee_: can you find that article... or quote some good search terms for it? | Dec 30 21:52 |
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| neighborlee_ | ill try | Dec 30 21:52 |
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| neighborlee_ | its been ages since i read about it | Dec 30 21:53 |
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| neighborlee_ | roy might know about it quicker, but im happy to look | Dec 30 21:53 |
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| MinceR | i'm not sure those things make gentoo "suck" | Dec 30 21:53 |
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| MinceR | if something isn't the best, that doesn't mean it sucks | Dec 30 21:53 |
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| neighborlee_ | where does gentoo come into this | Dec 30 21:54 |
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| neighborlee_ | did I post something in the wrong channel :( | Dec 30 21:54 |
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| MinceR | what schestowitz linked | Dec 30 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee_: what about? | Dec 30 21:55 |
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| MinceR | also, lol at the site logo | Dec 30 21:55 |
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| neighborlee_ | ah sorry :))) | Dec 30 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | I wasn't paying attention | Dec 30 21:55 |
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| MinceR | neighborlee_: sorry, i should have been more specific | Dec 30 21:55 |
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| neighborlee_ | me either :)) | Dec 30 21:55 |
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| neighborlee_ | lol | Dec 30 21:55 |
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| neighborlee_ | MinceR, haha np | Dec 30 21:55 |
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| *schestowitz feels lost | Dec 30 21:55 |
| *MinceR finds schestowitz | Dec 30 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Lost in translation... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0335266/ good film BTW. | Dec 30 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | A man finds that there's life beyond the mundane rubbish. | Dec 30 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | eWeek ran out of editor. | Dec 30 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | Now it runs out of materia | Dec 30 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | They have nothing to post, they they repost comments as an 'article': http://www.channelinsider.com/c/a/News/Vista-V... | Dec 30 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | Eweek = ZIff|Gates=bankrupt | Dec 30 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | Here's the thing | Dec 30 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | I see a headline with that "Linux killer" BS again | Dec 30 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | I don't click on it and won't feed it, BUT | Dec 30 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | These are ADULTS who write this rubbish. | Dec 30 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | And this is news? | Dec 30 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | This is aggregated by Google News? Supposedly professional reporters write like a bunch of kids with toys about Windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux and ""Linux is teh s0cks" | Dec 30 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | It's pathetic that whitepapers no longer find fanciers... articles get shorter too | Dec 30 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | Those who tried to stick to old article format die trying | Dec 30 22:01 |
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| neighborlee_ | http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/mic... | Dec 30 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | So people just read headline, sound bites and maybe summarise. Just loook at Digg. it's all just inane one-liners | Dec 30 22:01 |
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| neighborlee_ | not what I was looking for specifically but its definitely bizarre,,maybe roy already posted something on this o_0 | Dec 30 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | Old news | Dec 30 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | I posted lots about it | Dec 30 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | Search BN for "collusion" | Dec 30 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | Intel is a criminal company too. | Dec 30 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | And I had to argue and justify that statement to people: http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/28267/ | Dec 30 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | If you say "SCO is corrupt", everyone nods | Dec 30 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | If you say "Saddam is evil", people accept it. | Dec 30 22:03 |
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| neighborlee_ | ah ic ok | Dec 30 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | But if you say "Intel is a ciminal organisation" people gasp and yell at ya | Dec 30 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | You can't offer a concise argument | Dec 30 22:03 |
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| neighborlee_ | sad but yeah | Dec 30 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | People know too little | Dec 30 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | So you must provide long justification | Dec 30 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | Concision won't cut it | Dec 30 22:04 |
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| neighborlee_ | yeah | Dec 30 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | Had I said it about MS at Lxer, that would be conventional, conformist | Dec 30 22:04 |
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| neighborlee_ | the hastles of being a good reporter indeed | Dec 30 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | It's time to show more people what Intel is made of and what it does | Dec 30 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | People who read Groklaw and BN know better about Intel | Dec 30 22:04 |
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| neighborlee_ | its good we have solid sources if information to make decisions indeed | Dec 30 22:05 |
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| neighborlee_ | if/of | Dec 30 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | I gave good sources | Dec 30 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | In the LXer thread | Dec 30 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | People were quiet afterwards (in comparison) | Dec 30 22:06 |
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| MinceR | 231626 <@schestowitz> These are ADULTS who write this rubbish. | Dec 30 22:07 |
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| trmanco | what is a zealot? | Dec 30 22:07 |
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| MinceR | for a particular definition of adult, that is | Dec 30 22:07 |
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| MinceR | i'd say most of the human population aren't really "adults" | Dec 30 22:07 |
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| neighborlee_ | MinceR, sadly, this is why 'vote of the people' isn't always what it may seem ;)) | Dec 30 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: fair point, m8 | Dec 30 22:08 |
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| MinceR | neighborlee_: indeed | Dec 30 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: zealot is passionate about something | Dec 30 22:08 |
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| MinceR | we can't expect reasonable government from the material we have to work with. | Dec 30 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | But zealot has a connotation | Dec 30 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | Like the word propagadna | Dec 30 22:08 |
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| neighborlee_ | MinceR, agreed,,sadly. | Dec 30 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | propaganda connotation = Goebbels | Dec 30 22:09 |
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| neighborlee_ | schestowitz, it sure does ;) | Dec 30 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | zealot connotation = Muslim | Dec 30 22:09 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, ok thanks | Dec 30 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | That post about MS shills triggered a nerve, so we'll do over 200,000 hits today | Dec 30 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | And another record month, despite it being a 'holiday' month. | Dec 30 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | Rare new image of Carla: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.p... | Dec 30 22:15 |
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| neighborlee_ | schestowitz, woah ; | Dec 30 22:17 |
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| neighborlee_ | :) | Dec 30 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | 2004: The Future of Linux is Proprietary http://www.osnews.com/story/5612/Th... | Dec 30 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | Debian goes to the polls < http://lwn.net/Articles/311695/ > Speaking of voting and adults, didn't some flamer call Debian devs "kids" 2 years ago? | Dec 30 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | I can't find the articles. | Dec 30 22:19 |
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| neighborlee_ | thats why I fight for this..linux to me is about freedom of use and freedom of obtaining, as not everyone is rich enough to purchase such things, we must look out for those who have less in this world or we dont deserve its 'riches' ..thats my take on it anyway ;) | Dec 30 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | Fedora has just gotten a new board too. I posted this to BN this afternoon | Dec 30 22:19 |
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| neighborlee_ | well I hope they fix the dvd mono issue | Dec 30 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | We need Groklaw back. fast! | Dec 30 22:19 |
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| neighborlee_ | its gone entirely ??? | Dec 30 22:19 |
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| neighborlee_ | or just restructuring | Dec 30 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know. | Dec 30 22:19 |
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| neighborlee_ | k | Dec 30 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | Hopefully not. | Dec 30 22:19 |
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| neighborlee_ | ditto | Dec 30 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | Software can be a commodity around which to build services | Dec 30 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know if you noticed, but I'm posting some videos from Brazil among the links | Dec 30 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | The company, 4Linux, points out that Brazil would be broke if it needed to pay for infringing s/w it uses. | Dec 30 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | You hear it from their point of video | Dec 30 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | No phones in some offices, growing beans and chicken | Dec 30 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | They moved to GNU/Linux pretty fast | Dec 30 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is covering this up | Dec 30 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | So the videos bring this issue to light | Dec 30 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | I've also just posted Revolution OS. See front page. | Dec 30 22:22 |
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| neighborlee_ | ahhhh ,,very nice about brazil..perfectly makes my point nicely | Dec 30 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | I'm assumng people have time for some films while on vacation and this film is fair to GNU and all... | Dec 30 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | I think this is the part of most relevance: http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv120_sp_... | Dec 30 22:23 |
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| neighborlee_ | checking | Dec 30 22:23 |
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| neighborlee_ | easier to see why ibm is target LOL | Dec 30 22:25 |
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| neighborlee_ | oh boy | Dec 30 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, they don't fight it. | Dec 30 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | They sell hardware | Dec 30 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | There's hardly Free hardware | Dec 30 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | Modifying HDDs and CPUs without a factory can be hard :-) | Dec 30 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | We asked RMS about it in Manchester, IIRC. His answer was that it's a limit | Dec 30 22:31 |
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| neighborlee_ | :) | Dec 30 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | But to implement antifeatures at h/w level is hard. | Dec 30 22:32 |
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| neighborlee_ | not sure I get what you mean..a limit ? | Dec 30 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | Not sure why I said so, either. "Limitation" is better | Dec 30 22:33 |
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| neighborlee_ | ah | Dec 30 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | SAAS is another problem | Dec 30 22:44 |
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| neighborlee_ | great video stuff , thx for reference, Ill finish it a tad later after download done | Dec 30 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | Which video. Rev OS? | Dec 30 22:49 |
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| *schestowitz np "The Carpenters - Rainy Days And Mondays" | Dec 30 22:50 |
| neighborlee_ | hanging around...:) | Dec 30 22:58 |
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| neighborlee_ | http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv120_sp_... < this one | Dec 30 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | There are more | Dec 30 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | I can't recall which one says what | Dec 30 23:00 |
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| neighborlee_ | schestowitz, I have most of their albums, but their xmas albums are some of my most cherrished..karen voices and xmas are like ONE :) | Dec 30 23:00 |
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| neighborlee_ | ah | Dec 30 23:00 |
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| neighborlee_ | ibm and linux thing | Dec 30 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | That's the thing about video which is misfortunate | Dec 30 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | It's hard to tag or search them for phrases | Dec 30 23:01 |
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| neighborlee_ | ah yes | Dec 30 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | So all you have is a reel and some numbers | Dec 30 23:01 |
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| neighborlee_ | no biggie | Dec 30 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | Good luck finding a certain you think of in one hour of footage | Dec 30 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | My sister has their albums. | Dec 30 23:01 |
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| neighborlee_ | :) | Dec 30 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | She has loads of video tapes too | Dec 30 23:02 |
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| neighborlee_ | even karen carpenter: solo album ? ;) | Dec 30 23:02 |
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| neighborlee_ | ditto | Dec 30 23:02 |
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| neighborlee_ | I moderate the carpenters list on yahoo | Dec 30 23:02 |
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| neighborlee_ | and started it actually | Dec 30 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee_: I don't know. I can't recall. | Dec 30 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | Yahoosoft? | Dec 30 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | Free labour for the Vole... | Dec 30 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | j/k only search might be up for sale. | Dec 30 23:03 |
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| neighborlee_ | lol | Dec 30 23:04 |
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| neighborlee_ | yeah | Dec 30 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | You could have organise FOSS projects and info | Dec 30 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | Those companies like Yahoo look for free labour | Dec 30 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | Digg too | Dec 30 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | They give an 'open' sandbox for people to play with and do mass collaboration/peer production for them | Dec 30 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | Some say this is de facto Web 2.0 -- whatever that is. | Dec 30 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | Eityher way, that's how sites are built fast. Suckers who do work that some company proftits from. | Dec 30 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | It's prossible to advance freedom with one's free time as well. | Dec 30 23:08 |
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| neighborlee_ | yup | Dec 30 23:14 |
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| neighborlee_ | sandbox huh | Dec 30 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | Yup. Old news: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1783 | Dec 30 23:22 |
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| neighborlee_ | sigh...of course they would test in brazil etc...imagine that ;) | Dec 30 23:23 |
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| neighborlee_ | ugh | Dec 30 23:23 |
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| schestowitz | To fight win 98? ;-) | Dec 30 23:24 |
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| neighborlee_ | the pay as you go thing | Dec 30 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know | Dec 30 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | Brazil is a problematic country to the Vole | Dec 30 23:26 |
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| neighborlee_ | quite | Dec 30 23:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclien... | Dec 30 23:27 |
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| neighborlee_ | so have you been wii'ified yet,,sister, anyone in family ? :) | Dec 30 23:27 |
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| *neighborlee_ is a major wii dude | Dec 30 23:27 |
| neighborlee_ | o_0 | Dec 30 23:27 |
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| neighborlee_ | stoked that I know have super mario galaxy ;) | Dec 30 23:28 |
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| neighborlee_ | know/now o_0 | Dec 30 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-101... People are no longer new to the nation of 'open source', so they search for more specific thing. Same with 'Linux'. | Dec 30 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | People who use Google Trends for stats either misunderstand or don't want to understand statistic. See for example a graph of 'ubunu' and 'Linux', It's an issue of granularity and brand recognition. | Dec 30 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | *notion; *statistics | Dec 30 23:32 |
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| neighborlee_ | sadly | Dec 30 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | This is probably true but obvious: http://ostatic.com/blog/buyouts-an... | Dec 30 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://jbcobb.net/?p=205 | Dec 30 23:34 |
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| neighborlee_ | ah yes it becomes alot more clear now..o f course they didn't want to agree to ODF, when they could go with their own xml/office :) | Dec 30 23:34 |
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| neighborlee_ | sigh | Dec 30 23:35 |
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| neighborlee_ | no matter..odf is popular even with united nations ;) | Dec 30 23:35 |
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| *neighborlee_ is now known as neighborlee | Dec 30 23:40 |
| *[H]omer has quit ("reset by beer") | Dec 30 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Breast-Feeding Photo Brouhaha Shows How Impossible It Is To Rate Websites < http://techdirt.com/articles/200... > | Dec 30 23:53 |
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| schestowitz | And this patent I wrote about earlier.. 3D Virtual Worlds Patented! Lawsuits Started... < http://techdirt.com/articles/20081230/01... > | Dec 30 23:55 |
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| neighborlee | id have to see the pictures to comment | Dec 30 23:59 |
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| schestowitz | Check out the image on the right: http://lodahl.blogspot.com/2008/12/marke... | Dec 30 23:59 |
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