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| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murphy/?p=1333 "According to techcrunch.com about 115,000 IT workers have been laid off by American companies since the August polls made it clear that the people who brought us the sub-prime crisis, the Detroit meltdown, and four dollar gas would sweep the trifecta to gain control of the legislative, executive, and judiciary branches of the American government. " | Jan 05 00:40 |
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| schestowitz | "For the third year running the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) has ranked companies in different sectors to estimate the power that these companies have, based upon their patent portfolio. Unsurprisingly, Microsoft came top in the "Computer Software" category and IBM tops the "Computer Systems" chart. " http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/IEEE-ran... | Jan 05 00:43 |
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| tessier_ | I don't really know many IT workers who have been laid off around here. | Jan 05 00:49 |
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| tessier_ | In fact, I need to hire a couple of people. | Jan 05 00:49 |
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| tessier_ | But I have a feeling they may be hard to find. | Jan 05 00:49 |
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| schestowitz | What skillz | Jan 05 00:50 |
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| tessier_ | Someone who likes FLOSS, knows at least the basics of Linux, and some programming basics, and has enthusiasm for the job... | Jan 05 00:50 |
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| schestowitz | That wouldn't be those emitted out of MS | Jan 05 00:50 |
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| tessier_ | I'm still thinking about the job description. Fairly varied skills. I'm thinking I need two people. And another in the future. I'm hoping that the future one will be a Plone expert. | Jan 05 00:50 |
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| tessier_ | But that is quite hard to find. I'm working on becoming one myself but have a very long way to go. Will probably have to hire someone else before I get to that point myself. And even then will still need help. | Jan 05 00:51 |
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| schestowitz | Isn't Plone a bit neglected now? | Jan 05 00:51 |
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| schestowitz | Like Zope? | Jan 05 00:51 |
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| tessier_ | Just because of the amount of work. | Jan 05 00:51 |
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| schestowitz | I mean, govts still use it. | Jan 05 00:51 |
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| tessier_ | neglected? No, they are both very actively developed. | Jan 05 00:51 |
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| tessier_ | They are both growing quickly and are excellent competitors to MS Sharepoint. | Jan 05 00:51 |
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| schestowitz | There's a conference and branch/fork for the purpose and your sites runs it too | Jan 05 00:51 |
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| tessier_ | Plone is a CMS for Zope. | Jan 05 00:51 |
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| schestowitz | Oh | Jan 05 00:52 |
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| tessier_ | So they are practically the same thing. | Jan 05 00:52 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know them intimately | Jan 05 00:52 |
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| tessier_ | I know them both pretty well from a user/admin point of view. I'm working on learning to be a developer. | Jan 05 00:52 |
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| tessier_ | I have set up a couple different company intranets using it. Very nice. | Jan 05 00:52 |
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| schestowitz | For Plone? | Jan 05 00:52 |
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| tessier_ | Yes. | Jan 05 00:52 |
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| schestowitz | It reminds me of Moodle | Jan 05 00:52 |
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| schestowitz | Or Sakai even | Jan 05 00:52 |
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| tessier_ | WebDAV is a great replacement for windows file sharing. | Jan 05 00:52 |
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| schestowitz | Govts give back, like unis | Jan 05 00:52 |
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| tessier_ | Don't need a VPN, all standard HTTP based, etc. | Jan 05 00:53 |
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| schestowitz | We had Zope at Manchester Computing | Jan 05 00:53 |
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| schestowitz | I worked there for many years and resigned in 2006 | Jan 05 00:53 |
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| schestowitz | I actually did a lot of my thesis whilst working there (paid) | Jan 05 00:53 |
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| schestowitz | Alfresco competes with MS SharePoint too. I never tried it though. | Jan 05 00:54 |
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| schestowitz | I suppose you also deploy Asterisk in San Diego, right? | Jan 05 00:54 |
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| schestowitz | Their d/l numbers rose by 50% in the past year | Jan 05 00:54 |
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| schestowitz | There is healthy demand for F/OSS ATM, but that comes at the expense of those who hunt for monolithic 'boxed' solutions(R). Developers try to monetise in FOSS, but services collect.. just look at Digium versus the Asterisk 'leeches'. | Jan 05 00:59 |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: Yes. | Jan 05 01:00 |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: leeches? | Jan 05 01:00 |
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| tessier_ | I haven't deployed any asterisk in SD in quite a while though. It's rather tricky. I haven't decided whether I want to continue to be in that business or not. | Jan 05 01:01 |
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| tessier_ | Architectural problems with asterisk, lots of other people already doing it (Although the market penetration is miniscule so there is still tons of opportunity) and risk. | Jan 05 01:01 |
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| tessier_ | It bugs me that Asterisk is all written in C and is not very modular. I wish I understood SIP better and could make my own PBX using some higher level language. But I can't justify spending months or years doing that and not making any money. So I get to deploy asterisk in the meantime if I want to be in the phone business. | Jan 05 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | Digium has other companies use its work without bringing much back | Jan 05 01:02 |
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| tessier_ | I am seriously thinking about offering a whole virtual-office package. Plone for intranet/file serving/content management, Asterisk for phones, etc. | Jan 05 01:03 |
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| tessier_ | Yeah, and I'm one of them as long as I'm deploying asterisk. | Jan 05 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | FreeSwitch tries to also overcome some limitations found in Asterisk | Jan 05 01:03 |
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| tessier_ | The problem is they don't make it so easy to give back and it's hard to give back because telephony is very complicated. | Jan 05 01:03 |
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| tessier_ | FreeSwitch is all C also IIRC. | Jan 05 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | > I am seriously thinking about offering a whole virtual-office package | Jan 05 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | That's done already | Jan 05 01:03 |
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| tessier_ | Sure, you need C for performance in the compression routines etc but for the general call flow logic etc. you don't. | Jan 05 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | 'Appliances' with FOSS... some Tivoized... Eeek | Jan 05 01:04 |
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| tessier_ | Everything has been done already. | Jan 05 01:04 |
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| tessier_ | Should I just go Amish? | Jan 05 01:04 |
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| tessier_ | Most places at this point will never be able to deploy FOSS because they don't have the skills. | Jan 05 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: there was a discussion about C vs. OOP in BN today | Jan 05 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/04/mono-imitat... | Jan 05 01:05 |
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| tessier_ | I'm not fan of tivoizing the appliances but I don't have a problem with packaging and reselling FOSS. | Jan 05 01:05 |
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| schestowitz | \Yes, that happens | Jan 05 01:05 |
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| tessier_ | I'm not concerned about the C vs OOP debate. I'm just concerned about using C which is prone to segfaults and buffer overflows in something like a PBX. | Jan 05 01:05 |
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| schestowitz | I lobbied for WordPress to move to GPLv3 | Jan 05 01:05 |
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| tessier_ | They have already had security and reliability problems because of it. | Jan 05 01:05 |
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| schestowitz | Then Alex King came up with the argument about Vivoizing it. | Jan 05 01:05 |
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| tessier_ | Ericsson is on the right track in using Erlang in their systems. | Jan 05 01:06 |
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| tessier_ | And C only for the low level device drivers and high performance stuff like compression codecs. | Jan 05 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: there was a massive Asterisk issue a while ago | Jan 05 01:06 |
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| tessier_ | Yep | Jan 05 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | Old versions were affecfed.. call-jacking | Jan 05 01:06 |
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| tessier_ | And some day someone will figure out how to exploit it and use asterisk boxes to route their calls costing people tons of money. | Jan 05 01:06 |
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| tessier_ | That's one thing I like about telephony. Security problems can cost people real money. | Jan 05 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | That sort of happened | Jan 05 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 05 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | ISPs also | Jan 05 01:07 |
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| tessier_ | It makes people finally pay attention to security. | Jan 05 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | Assuming limited bnandwidth | Jan 05 01:07 |
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| tessier_ | ISP's just pass the cost on to customers and do things like restrict servers and block port 25 etc. | Jan 05 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | Ba account breaches also | Jan 05 01:07 |
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| tessier_ | They don't really put any pressure on the customers or MS to improve security. | Jan 05 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | It's soaring and will get worse next year as cybercrime really takes off. | Jan 05 01:07 |
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| tessier_ | Unfortunately banks just pass the costs on as well. | Jan 05 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | I wonder how many banks will ponder knowing down their on-line access cause of it | Jan 05 01:08 |
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| tessier_ | Hopefully it will reach a point where someone decides to take action. | Jan 05 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | Or require access via live cds | Jan 05 01:08 |
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| tessier_ | When I get an account with a bank I should be given a CD with a key on it. | Jan 05 01:08 |
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| tessier_ | Live CD isn't a bad idea. | Jan 05 01:08 |
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| tessier_ | It's probably one of the few ways to prevent malware from spying your keyboard. | Jan 05 01:08 |
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| tessier_ | Unfortunately it would make online banking unusable for most people. | Jan 05 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | There are insuurance companies for cars that exclude certain people | Jan 05 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | Like women-only insurance | Jan 05 01:09 |
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| tessier_ | And the live CD would have to support all of the hardware/drivers/wireless/etc. So far impossible. | Jan 05 01:09 |
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| tessier_ | Interesting. | Jan 05 01:09 |
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| schestowitz | So how about non-Windows online banks? :-) | Jan 05 01:09 |
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| schestowitz | The Live CD approach was taken seriously in Aussie. | Jan 05 01:09 |
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| tessier_ | I think you would have a hard time finding enough customers. | Jan 05 01:09 |
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| schestowitz | They also handed out Linux-powered Eees in Canada | Jan 05 01:09 |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: What do you know about domain registrars? Any particular ones you can recommend? | Jan 05 01:09 |
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| tessier_ | I've been with godaddy for years and I am finally getting really sick of their horrible web interface. I bet they have other policies I don't like as well. | Jan 05 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | Not GoDaddy | Jan 05 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | Bad company | Jan 05 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | I registered mine through my host | Jan 05 01:10 |
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| tessier_ | I'm considering gandi. I'm not sure if it is a problem that they are in France or not. Their support so far has been good. I am moving a couple of domains over there. | Jan 05 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | It reminds me to renew, so that's off my mental burdens | Jan 05 01:10 |
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| tessier_ | Thinking about moving them all if I like what I see from these test domains. | Jan 05 01:10 |
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| tessier_ | godaddy never fails to remind me to renew. | Jan 05 01:10 |
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| tessier_ | But the constant upsells and hard to navigate interface is horrendous. | Jan 05 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | Registration is cheap | Jan 05 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | If it ain't broken.. | Jan 05 01:11 |
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| tessier_ | Who is your host? | Jan 05 01:11 |
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| tessier_ | I kinda wish I could do all of my domain stuff via GPG through email. | Jan 05 01:11 |
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| tessier_ | Used to be able to do that with internic. | Jan 05 01:12 |
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| tessier_ | I don't know if anyone does that anymore. | Jan 05 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | Catalyst2 | Jan 05 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | Renewals are 2 clicks away. | Jan 05 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | It registers credit card details, then mails you a link | Jan 05 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | .Clicks are so few it makes you wonder if it's secure (cookie-based) | Jan 05 01:13 |
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| *tessier_ wonders if there would be any interest in a GPG'd email only secured registrar | Jan 05 01:13 |
| tessier_ | Or if such a thing exists yet. | Jan 05 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | Nobody uses GPG | Jan 05 01:14 |
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| tessier_ | I doubt it would be worth it though. So many registrars are out there and hardly anyone cares about security. | Jan 05 01:14 |
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| tessier_ | They should. | Jan 05 01:14 |
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| tessier_ | I do. | Jan 05 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | I only use it with 3-5 people. | Jan 05 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | People are negligent | Jan 05 01:14 |
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| tessier_ | So you use it too. And so do those 3-5 people. | Jan 05 01:14 |
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| tessier_ | Not everyone. People like you and I generally aren't. | Jan 05 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | It's too easy to pretext | Jan 05 01:14 |
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| tessier_ | So that's not nobody | Jan 05 01:14 |
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| tessier_ | GPG is easy to pretext? | Jan 05 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | No, opposite rather | Jan 05 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | E-mail is too vulnerable to pulling of infromation, sometimes p/w | Jan 05 01:15 |
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| tessier_ | But what about GPG signed email? | Jan 05 01:15 |
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| tessier_ | I wish Thunderbird would ship the enigma program by default and nicely integrate it. | Jan 05 01:16 |
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| tessier_ | It is very easy to use. | Jan 05 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know, but.. | Jan 05 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | Don't the users need to install a peripheral program to enable it? | Jan 05 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | I only use GNU/Linux, so I don't have the experience with GPG on other platforms | Jan 05 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | I once met the developer of enigmail. | Jan 05 01:18 |
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| tessier_ | This is why I said Thunderbird should come with enigma by default. | Jan 05 01:18 |
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| tessier_ | Social networking is very popular with everyone wanting to make links etc. | Jan 05 01:18 |
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| tessier_ | Seems like if you put the right spin on it people would enjoy having making links with people by having their GPG keys signed which would happen automatically if you tell it that so-and-so is your friend. | Jan 05 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | Spinwatch: "Tech Jobs May Increase Despite Economic Trends [...] While 853,000 U.S. jobs in all industries were lost in October and November, 9,000 were gained in the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics categories of "Computer Systems Design and Related Services" and "Management and Technical Consulting Services," said Foote." http://www.pcworld.com/article/156283/tech_jo... | Jan 05 01:19 |
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| tessier_ | Purists will say that people will be friends and accept signatures with anyone and this is true. But finally we have a way to hold people accountable for their errors because we will be able to see exactly who "friended" (signed) who so we know who is the douchebag. | Jan 05 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: yes, it should, BUT | Jan 05 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | Remember what audience TB targets | Jan 05 01:20 |
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| schestowitz | It needs to stay lean and simple by default; same with FF | Jan 05 01:20 |
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| tessier_ | Ultimately TB targets everyone. | Jan 05 01:20 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but it needs to stay simple | Jan 05 01:20 |
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| schestowitz | Installation is a drag and drop thing. | Jan 05 01:20 |
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| tessier_ | They are both far from that. Adding something important like GPG support won't make much difference. | Jan 05 01:20 |
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| schestowitz | Or menu exercise | Jan 05 01:20 |
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| tessier_ | And it would remain a drag and drop thing. | Jan 05 01:20 |
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| schestowitz | How many people use TB anyway? | Jan 05 01:21 |
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| tessier_ | I don't know. A huge portion of Linux users. | Jan 05 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | I know it's a lot more than realised (100 million, IIRC?), but it's not enouh for universality | Jan 05 01:21 |
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| tessier_ | You don't need universality. | Jan 05 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | MS won't support it; it's too open and decentralised | Jan 05 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | Kmail comes with GPG | Jan 05 01:22 |
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| tessier_ | Just enable signing by default and make it generate a key when installed. Voila. | Jan 05 01:22 |
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| schestowitz | In fact, KDE has it on by default (3.x) | Jan 05 01:22 |
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| tessier_ | The user need know nothing more about it unless they want to. | Jan 05 01:22 |
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| schestowitz | On Windows machines, GPG would lose validity | Jan 05 01:22 |
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| tessier_ | MS has been sending HTML and vcards and all kinds of nonsense by default and nobody seems to care. So if these little GPG attachments start to show up nobody will care unless it activates functionality in their email program. | Jan 05 01:22 |
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| tessier_ | Lose validity? How so? | Jan 05 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | With 40% of them being zombies, sooner or later you have cracker party on PGP servers | Jan 05 01:23 |
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| tessier_ | If something bad happens as a result of a bad signature you will be able to find out who is the zombie and do something about it. | Jan 05 01:23 |
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| tessier_ | That currently isn't the case. | Jan 05 01:23 |
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| *schestowitz thinks he should start pgp-signing his comments in blogs | Jan 05 01:23 |
| tessier_ | More than ever we need PKI. | Jan 05 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | Problem is.. nobody (almost) knows how to check this or has the tools to do this | Jan 05 01:24 |
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| tessier_ | Social networking sites have these huge web of trust systems but without any PKI. It's a huge waste. | Jan 05 01:24 |
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| tessier_ | It should be automatic in your software as it already is with Thunderbird/Enigmail. | Jan 05 01:24 |
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| schestowitz | So other than being able to tell the court, "look, I didn't write this because..", well... I don't know how useful that 'cruft' would be. | Jan 05 01:25 |
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| tessier_ | MS is great at making things easy enough for the average dope to use. | Jan 05 01:25 |
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| tessier_ | It wouldn't be all that useful in court. | Jan 05 01:25 |
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| schestowitz | Doubtful | Jan 05 01:25 |
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| schestowitz | Press Start to shut down? | Jan 05 01:25 |
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| tessier_ | Non-repudiation isn't really possible. | Jan 05 01:25 |
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| tessier_ | I have never met anyone who didn't know how to shut down their machine. | Jan 05 01:25 |
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| tessier_ | We like to make fun of "press start" but it works. | Jan 05 01:25 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: they might fumble | Jan 05 01:25 |
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| tessier_ | fumble? | Jan 05 01:26 |
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| schestowitz | Remember that Microsoft provides state-funded Winfdows /training/ | Jan 05 01:26 |
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| schestowitz | They call it "computer skills" | Jan 05 01:26 |
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| tessier_ | Not sure what that has to do with the issue at hand. | Jan 05 01:27 |
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| schestowitz | Windows/MS being easy | Jan 05 01:27 |
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| schestowitz | Apple is better known for it... even Ubuntu in the *nix world | Jan 05 01:27 |
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| tessier_ | I think they are all pretty easy as lots of people manage to learn to use the systems. | Jan 05 01:33 |
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| tessier_ | Most people are still far from professionals who can run their systems reliably but they have come a long way. | Jan 05 01:33 |
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| tessier_ | But I think Amiga or Be or anyone interested in making systems for end users could have accomplished similar results. It isn't a special Apple or Microsoft thing. But they have made computers easy to use. | Jan 05 01:34 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft harps about R&D | Jan 05 01:35 |
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| schestowitz | It makes it sound good | Jan 05 01:35 |
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| schestowitz | "We spent $6 on Vista blah blah.." | Jan 05 01:35 |
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| schestowitz | *billiob | Jan 05 01:35 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. The **cost** of DRM... like the Auckland paper says | Jan 05 01:36 |
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| tessier_ | They do quite a bit of R&D. | Jan 05 01:36 |
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| tessier_ | Unfortunately most of it is on crappy proprietary lock-in technologies like Vista and DRM. | Jan 05 01:36 |
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| tessier_ | But some of it is stuff like Haskell (which benefits F#) and Singularity (which is still proprietary lock-in crap but better than Vista technology-wise) | Jan 05 01:37 |
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| schestowitz | I'm too tired (2AM). Catch you tomorr | Jan 05 01:47 |
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| schestowitz | ow | Jan 05 01:47 |
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| tessier_ | 'night | Jan 05 01:50 |
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| Omar87 | http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/01/0... | Jan 05 06:32 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks, Omar87. Let's stick to technology for now. | Jan 05 08:38 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: these are very important issues, don't get more wrong. There are bigger affairs at play. | Jan 05 08:52 |
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| schestowitz | It's more than just this region. They come together and decide how to move things the way /they/ want (like the deceitful thing that's called "globalisation", which is a deceiving term). The aspiration is still to use aggression and lies to increase just power and wealth and this leads to arms races that jeopardise human kind. But let's stick to technology here. | Jan 05 08:52 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Jan 05 08:52 |
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| schestowitz | "Sales of music albums fell in 2008 as more fans went online to buy single copies of their favorite songs." < http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfg... > | Jan 05 08:57 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: Yet most of them still paid 99 cents per song which is pretty much the same per-song price as a CD despite the vastly lower production and distribution costs. | Jan 05 09:23 |
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| schestowitz | They at least don't play for "fill" | Jan 05 09:25 |
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| tessier | Indeed | Jan 05 09:28 |
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| schestowitz | *pay | Jan 05 09:32 |
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| schestowitz | Yuck: http://www.cs.manchester.ac.uk/aboutus/news/... | Jan 05 10:55 |
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| schestowitz | On the other hand: http://www.cs.manchester.ac.uk/aboutus/ev... | Jan 05 10:55 |
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| schestowitz | He's a nice guy.. good speaker | Jan 05 10:56 |
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| Omar871 | schestowitz: Speaking of music, don't forget that a wide range of people also prefer to get their music from mininova and isohunt (via torrents), which what MAFIAA calls "piracy". | Jan 05 13:05 |
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| Omar871 | Hello all. | Jan 05 13:05 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but that too is a risk to them; not just 'theft' of their own work but also competition which cannot be 'stolen' (copyrights inexistent) | Jan 05 13:06 |
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| Omar871 | By the way, I'm one of those people. | Jan 05 13:09 |
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| Omar871 | I stopped buying my music a long time ago. | Jan 05 13:09 |
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| isforinsects | the OLPC MS document was interesting | Jan 05 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | I hope to find more. | Jan 05 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | It needs to be aligned against press coverage from that time | Jan 05 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | Nick N. was talking about BillG receiving a memory card at some stage (maybe 2006), but I can't recall when precisely. | Jan 05 16:07 |
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| ushimitsudoki | I posted it in a comment on olpcnews and the editor contacted me | Jan 05 16:11 |
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| ushimitsudoki | there will be a couple of stories on it there soon | Jan 05 16:11 |
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| schestowitz | Really? | Jan 05 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | I tried to find his details. | Jan 05 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | I could find contact details. | Jan 05 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | But I wanted to give him a headsup | Jan 05 16:12 |
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| ushimitsudoki | yeah he wrote one and i submitted one that might be used as well | Jan 05 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | What's the URL? | Jan 05 16:12 |
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| ushimitsudoki | <crosses fingers> | Jan 05 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | There was a smear about the poor guy | Jan 05 16:12 |
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| ushimitsudoki | http://www.olpcnews.com/ | Jan 05 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | Slashdot tried connecting him with Intel | Jan 05 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | I took the bait and after Mary Lou Jespen (spelling?) jumped in, people realised it was false. | Jan 05 16:13 |
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| ushimitsudoki | I don't know - his site reads like pretty straight coverage of the project | Jan 05 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | He hasn't posted about it yet. | Jan 05 16:14 |
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| ushimitsudoki | no not yet | Jan 05 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | He used to do lots of negative coverage | Jan 05 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | So PJ, for example, reckoned it was an anti-OLPC site | Jan 05 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | That was before the Rob Malda smear (well, it was attributed for him... for linking to vnunet, IIRC). | Jan 05 16:14 |
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| ushimitsudoki | oh? I confess I don't really follow the OLPC goings-on, but it's not over-the-top obvious bias at least | Jan 05 16:15 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't follow the site closely enough to know. | Jan 05 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | He linked to boycottnovell in the past | Jan 05 16:16 |
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| ushimitsudoki | well then that's all it takes :) | Jan 05 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | I'd need to look at your quotes again in the future. I found some 'new' material in USENET too | Jan 05 16:18 |
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| ushimitsudoki | cool - i'm still adding them, 1-3 a day i try | Jan 05 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | This guy gets it wrong: "While wondering about Microsoft, Intel and the Vista debacle, it might also be worth keeping in mind that, intentionally or not, Intel was made to look like "the bad guy" in the Vista Home / Vista Capable / Vista Certified mess." http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,10... | Jan 05 16:22 |
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| trmanco | had some problems :| everything back to normal now | Jan 05 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | Intel *IS* the bad guy, not just Microsoft. They wanted to sell their junk PCs for revenue and they asked Microsoft to do this. | Jan 05 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: stormy weather or stormy Ubuntu? | Jan 05 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | [or Stormy Peters :-) ] | Jan 05 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | New: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/... | Jan 05 16:24 |
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| ushimitsudoki | Intel at one point was pretty independent of Microsoft ... it would be nice if they could move back in that direction | Jan 05 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | They do ry | Jan 05 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | try | Jan 05 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the article above, which is about their hiring of Cox. They also put efforts into Linux MIDs and free drivers. I don't think it outweighs their many crimes though. They use Linux as "Cheap software" to sell lots of hardware, probably in their usual illegal ways that include bribery, extortion, kickbacks and so on and so forth | Jan 05 16:28 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, stormy psybnc | Jan 05 16:30 |
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| trmanco | the weather here is nice | Jan 05 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | What do you make of this? http://uk.reuters.com/article/govern... ( CES-Freescale chip targets sub-$200 netbook market ). I caught 4 articles about this. | Jan 05 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/121153 The Mac thing is "BS". It's yet another Linux-only MID/UMPC/sub-notebook | Jan 05 16:36 |
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| ushimitsudoki | Blackstone owns Freescale and has ties with MS - to what degree those ties are i am not sure | Jan 05 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's Zune is what arch? | Jan 05 16:37 |
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| ushimitsudoki | freescale | Jan 05 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclie... | Jan 05 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.livemint.com/2008/12/01220827/Bla... (Blackstone hires former Microsoft India chief) | Jan 05 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | I think I brought up this article in IRC... last month. | Jan 05 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | I keep track of where the Microsoft people land to cause harm. | Jan 05 16:38 |
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| ushimitsudoki | are you sure blackstone technology group is the same as blackstone group, L.P. (which owns freescale)? | Jan 05 16:39 |
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| trmanco | http://www.remword.com/kps_result/ | Jan 05 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: I don't know. I haven't checked. My recollections about Zune were correct, but it's an incarnation of a Toshiba WinCE device | Jan 05 16:43 |
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| ushimitsudoki | Yeah, me neither - just raising a flag that it's conceivable they are two different companies | Jan 05 16:44 |
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| schestowitz | WTF? I missed this one: "CNN personality Richard Quest was busted in Central Park early yesterday with some drugs in his pocket, a rope around his neck that was tied to his genitals, and a sex toy in his boot, law-enforcement sources said." http://www.nypost.com/seven/04192008/news/regiona... | Jan 05 17:05 |
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| ushimitsudoki | damn that's a pretty good night out right there | Jan 05 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | I've always disliked him, but this is just the slam dunk. | Jan 05 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | See the first comment: Microsoft made $1.5 billion from Vista incapable PCs < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2... > | Jan 05 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | Open Source Solutions - 2 Years In Review < http://www.federalnewsradio.com/index.p... > BUT... only if you use Windows. | Jan 05 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | Open source audiocast... only for Windows Media Player. | Jan 05 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | Ed Hurst is like a softer Beranger when it comes to FOSS and it's still the same: http://www.ofb.biz/safari/article/513.html | Jan 05 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | From the news : Pinoy open source firm, MS ink unholy alliance ---> The requested URL /INFO20090105144878.html was not found on this server. | Jan 05 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | Apache/2.0.54 (Fedora) Server at www.mb.com.ph Port 80 | Jan 05 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | As usual, it's the guy who visited Redmond that writes about it (they changed URLs): http://www.mb.com.ph/INFO20090106144878.html | Jan 05 17:30 |
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| ushimitsudoki | alright i just got email my olpc story should go up in about an hour ... i'll be in bed by then, but check it out! hooray for my first piece of writing on request! :) | Jan 05 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | Damarillo is there too | Jan 05 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | They have FOSS people sell out. What a shameful display | Jan 05 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | Congrats, ushimitsudoki | Jan 05 17:32 |
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| ushimitsudoki | schestowitz: Thanks! I'm calling it a night ... laters | Jan 05 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | You can also contribute to BN, to be posted with attribution | Jan 05 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | OK, good night | Jan 05 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | OpenID lost its big bang, spent December embroiled in internal squabbles < http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/d... > | Jan 05 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://word.truthintheword.org/archives/2459 "Overall, I have not been completely impressed with Ubuntu Server so I think I will begin replacing it on all my sites." [with Centos] | Jan 05 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | On the other hand: Another perfect Intrepid install < http://www.dwasifar.com/?p=334 > | Jan 05 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | A lot of new Linux devices are being announced today.. | Jan 05 18:36 |
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| schestowitz | "Palm is poised to make what some analysts are calling its last stand at this week's Consumer Electronics Show, where it is expected to introduce its long-awaited Linux-based operating system." http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.... | Jan 05 19:25 |
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| MinceR | only the OS, no devices? | Jan 05 19:27 |
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| tessier_ | What a shame. | Jan 05 19:43 |
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| tessier_ | I've been a Palm fan since the very beginning, around 1995. | Jan 05 19:43 |
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| tessier_ | I run a palm mailing list and have since 1995. | Jan 05 19:43 |
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| tessier_ | But it is pretty much dead these days, just like the company. | Jan 05 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | They had layoffs 1-2 months ago. I was very active in supporting them back in the days | Jan 05 19:45 |
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| MinceR | perhaps Nova will bring them to life again | Jan 05 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | They were injected $100 million some weeks ago. | Jan 05 19:45 |
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| twitter | good morning, 2pm here. | Jan 05 20:08 |
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| twitter | I'm still a Palm fan and still think my Handspring Visor is a practical device. | Jan 05 20:09 |
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| twitter | There's nothing like not needing to change batteries for 4 months. | Jan 05 20:09 |
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| MinceR | there's nothing like not being able to multitask and the pda killing itself after 13 months of use :> | Jan 05 20:10 |
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| MinceR | (yet i'm desperate enough to seriously consider their nova-based devices in the future) | Jan 05 20:11 |
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| twitter | 13 month life? | Jan 05 20:11 |
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| MinceR | my palm tungsten e2 died after 13 months | Jan 05 20:11 |
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| MinceR | it had 12 months of warranty | Jan 05 20:11 |
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| MinceR | then it wouldn't boot and all it did was flash a bar above the palm logo | Jan 05 20:12 |
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| MinceR | s/and/at/ | Jan 05 20:12 |
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| twitter | My handspring lasted for seven years. It died when I dropped it onto concrete and broke the screen. I replaced the screen from a spare that cost about $5 on ebay. | Jan 05 20:12 |
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| MinceR | then again, i don't like windows mobile either | Jan 05 20:12 |
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| MinceR | it fails at basic PIM tasks | Jan 05 20:12 |
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| MinceR | alarms randomly break on rebooting and it's completely unaware of DST and time zones. | Jan 05 20:13 |
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| MinceR | also, the today screen breaks randomly and the only way to work around that is rebooting | Jan 05 20:13 |
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| twitter | Opie Works OK with my old Zaurus | Jan 05 20:15 |
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| twitter | On a newer device, I'd try Angstrum. | Jan 05 20:16 |
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| MinceR | on my palm, with the linux image i've tried, opie couldn't get past touchscreen calibration and gpe wouldn't boot at all | Jan 05 20:16 |
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| MinceR | on my qtek 9100, linux supports ends at loading the kernel via haret | Jan 05 20:16 |
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| twitter | Ugh, sorry. | Jan 05 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | Mine's been fine since 2004. The older one lasted 2.5 years. | Jan 05 20:19 |
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| MinceR | what models do you have? | Jan 05 20:32 |
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| twitter | I carried my handspring all around a nuclear power plant when I first got it. It was good for walkdowns - reminded me of what I needed to look at and kept me from having to type things into logs. I stored more than a year of data and all my contacts in it's tiny 2MB memory. | Jan 05 20:32 |
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| twitter | It was the first Handspring model. | Jan 05 20:33 |
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| twitter | I have the Zaurus 550. | Jan 05 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | mib_8uhwui: M130 and TT | Jan 05 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | Oops, that was @ MinceR | Jan 05 20:40 |
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| MinceR | ic | Jan 05 20:40 |
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| tessier_ | twitter: You work at a nuclear power plant? | Jan 05 20:40 |
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| twitter | I used to. | Jan 05 20:41 |
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| MinceR | those are more high-end models than e2, aren't they? | Jan 05 20:41 |
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| MinceR | at least at their time | Jan 05 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, Tallken | Jan 05 21:00 |
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| Tallken | hi schestowitz | Jan 05 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | I just posted another set of links and I use a new format: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/05/freescal... If it's bad, holler. | Jan 05 21:01 |
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| Tallken | won't read now, but will later :) | Jan 05 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | They're dropping like flies: "UIQ 'files for bankruptcy' in Sweden" < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/0... > | Jan 05 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | Obama may militarise NASA to save money < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/... > | Jan 05 21:11 |
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| twitter | AP and NYT have a new model to rejuvenate themselves. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeq... | Jan 05 21:12 |
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| Tallken | save money? | Jan 05 21:12 |
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| *schestowitz looks | Jan 05 21:13 |
| twitter | Yeah, who needs civilian space exploration? Let's just pool all the decision making at the world's largest and most efficient office space - the pentagon. That will surely save money. | Jan 05 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | Speaking of media companies, Britland is feelin' the pinch too: ITV to write down Friends Reunited value, says report < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/05/itv_fri... > | Jan 05 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | "ITV, whose online revenue slowed in the first nine months of 2008 with income rising six per cent to €£25m, will announce its full year results on 4 March. It declined to comment on the write down." | Jan 05 21:14 |
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| twitter | NASA only took 0.000tiny % of the federal budget anyway, so no one will really miss it if it goes away, right? | Jan 05 21:15 |
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| Tallken | lol | Jan 05 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | NYT: "don't read us! We'll shove cr*p at cha" | Jan 05 21:15 |
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| Tallken | it'd be a shame if manned operations on space couldn't be possible until 2015 | Jan 05 21:15 |
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| twitter | RMS pegged Obama right as a 1970's republican. | Jan 05 21:15 |
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| Tallken | twitter, ? | Jan 05 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | It's like the US going /into/ Iraq to 'stop' resentment, despite contrary reports from the CIA | Jan 05 21:15 |
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| twitter | ? | Jan 05 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | 'Solving' an issue by excalating it | Jan 05 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | Hey! We don't make enough money because of pages suck with obtrusive ads. Solution. Let's add ad value. | Jan 05 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | I /hate/ those sites that make doorway pages to articles | Jan 05 21:17 |
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| Tallken | <twitter> RMS pegged Obama right as a 1970's republican. | Jan 05 21:17 |
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| Tallken | ? | Jan 05 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | That's why I read several articles in parallel sometimes. | Jan 05 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | Tallken: let me find it... | Jan 05 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | Someone writes: "This is very interesting, I wonder is there more stuff in comes that hasn't come out yet. Maybe this is why James Plamondon wants us people dig it up for him." | Jan 05 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | Someone will be contacting the lawyer ('Susan') in the Comes case and ask her for access to the records, for research purposes | Jan 05 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | I tried Conlin about a year ago, but no reply. | Jan 05 21:19 |
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| twitter | RMS on Obama, not friendly at all. http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-dec.html just search for obama. The 1970's republican tag shows up here: http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-... October 2008 (Republicans endorse Obama) | Jan 05 21:20 |
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| twitter | "http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-dec.html#26 October 2008 (Republicans endorse Obama)" | Jan 05 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | Bloggers now link directly to James' writings. | Jan 05 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | I see people using the "you're a shill argument" or "You're a TE" while linking it it. | Jan 05 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | The press totally ignores James' bean-spilling and even my editor in 'the press', whom I contacted about this, prefers not to cover it. This post is part of a series that sheds light on something which, if exposed, will seriously stifle its ability to carry on. It's like pointing a flashlight at a bug. | Jan 05 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: hehe. Powell endorsed Obama too. It figures. He has Biden in da haus. | Jan 05 21:21 |
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| twitter | It is still too early to tell how things will go for Obama's administration. | Jan 05 21:23 |
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| twitter | It's good that people like RMS point out the bad signs. Obama should know that people who care are watching. | Jan 05 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, he uses the same Cabinet as Clinton | Jan 05 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | Not only RMS talks about this. | Jan 05 21:25 |
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| twitter | I hope everyone talks about freedom. | Jan 05 21:26 |
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| twitter | Wow, nice link to Slated - calling BillG's IP law / medicine blackmail to account. Medicines and vaccines would be a lot cheaper if it were not for crazy US patents. Even though the treaties allow for breaking patents to make medicine, few countries do. | Jan 05 21:30 |
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| Tallken | I'm honestly surprised to see RMS pointing all those things... Never got to that page until now, didn't of its existance | Jan 05 21:31 |
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| Tallken | *didn't know | Jan 05 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Terminating employee's to save on severance and press release "layoff": http://microsoftfires.blogspot.com/ | Jan 05 21:32 |
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| twitter | RMS covers a lot of issues. It's a first rate news service. | Jan 05 21:32 |
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| Tallken | lol | Jan 05 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | Selective though | Jan 05 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | He doesn't review many areas | Jan 05 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | But the top big issues are not TERROR~1. | Jan 05 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | It's GLOBAL~1 | Jan 05 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | And c:\>nuclear~` | Jan 05 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | IBM Employees Buzzing About Layoff Rumors < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156329/ibm_empl... > | Jan 05 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | Crime pays: Expert: Microsoft Earned $1.5B From Vista Capable Program > http://www.pcworld.com/article/156330/expert_micro... | Jan 05 21:39 |
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| twitter | Only $4.5B left to break even! | Jan 05 21:47 |
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| twitter | This is how $60B in cash goes to $0B. | Jan 05 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | 4.5? Source? | Jan 05 21:48 |
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| twitter | I'm mocking the reputed $6B price tag of Vista. | Jan 05 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | This does not include the colossal loss of some MS execs, Gates included. | Jan 05 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | I though 4.5 was their bank balance ATM | Jan 05 21:49 |
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| twitter | really?! got a link? | Jan 05 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | They announe no new products these days. Just vapourware successors like Vista.1 (Windows 6.1) | Jan 05 21:49 |
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| twitter | and layoffs... | Jan 05 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | NOVL is down 4% today: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=novl | Jan 05 21:51 |
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| twitter | M$FT managed to climb back over $20 over the last week. That can't last long. | Jan 05 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.echannelline.com/usa/s... Will the netbook cannibalize the traditional PC market? [Well, it already *DOES*. Ask the Vole.] | Jan 05 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | The whole market was up after New Year's | Jan 05 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | Ahhh... http://www.thinkgos.com/ | Jan 05 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | The irony | Jan 05 22:03 |
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| MinceR | lol | Jan 05 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | Chrome browser... and they got suckered into a deal of putting Live Search by default in it. Shades of Linspire (the /late/ Linspire) | Jan 05 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | Juvenile comments thread (latest): http://officialgosblog.blogspot.com/200... | Jan 05 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | Anonymous said... | Jan 05 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | Dude, you're killing us. | Jan 05 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | December 15, 2008 6:03 AM | Jan 05 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | Anonymous said... | Jan 05 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | pretty please w/ sugar? | Jan 05 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | December 15, 2008 11:00 AM | Jan 05 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | Anonymous said... | Jan 05 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | Download please!! | Jan 05 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | December 15, 2008 12:47 PM | Jan 05 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | Good headline: Book Tells How Sony Got Duped by Microsoft < http://www.linuxelectrons.com/news/roundup/1... > | Jan 05 22:09 |
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| *tessier_ is now known as all | Jan 05 22:10 |
| *all is now known as tessier_ | Jan 05 22:10 |
| schestowitz | We've just made the front page of Linux Today. | Jan 05 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | osweekly seems to be dead (for two days in a row now). Inactive for a long time, but not even reachable now. | Jan 05 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | Kernel Developers Tracking Down New Year's Eve Leap Second Issue < http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/ker... > | Jan 05 22:24 |
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| trmanco | it was only on old kernels | Jan 05 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | SJVN: Zune misery mystery solved < http://blogs.computerworld.com/zune_mi... > | Jan 05 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | Linux Today links to this thing that looks more like an advert than an article: http://www.isp-planet.com/services/ids... | Jan 05 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | The thing is, both Linux Today and this site are from the same network (owner). Sheesh. | Jan 05 22:31 |
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| Tallken | lol @ leap second | Jan 05 22:31 |
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| Tallken | didn't know about it, the crashes I mean | Jan 05 22:31 |
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| trmanco | my shell server didn't go off line | Jan 05 22:31 |
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| Tallken | only around 30 ppl were affected | Jan 05 22:32 |
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| trmanco | too bad I turned off my comp at 11:45 :| | Jan 05 22:33 |
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| trmanco | *PM | Jan 05 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | It's all the fault of the Large Hadron Collider!!111 | Jan 05 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | No X Server 1.6 Release In Sight < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n... > :-) | Jan 05 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. That was supposed to be a frown. I didn't emot-read | Jan 05 22:35 |
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| trmanco | lol | Jan 05 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Phoronix is self-referencing a lot because it has many articles for each event. Be aware that BN is self-referential for older facts (with externals in each item) because it's faster to refer by [cref POST_NUMBER]. Had I needed to fetch all the direct references for older things, it would take a very long time for many references that I include. | Jan 05 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | I have a nice plugin for BN cross-referencing. | Jan 05 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Novell's baby leaves the nest: "Kristian Lyngstol, a Compiz developer, says while the "current situation is rather dark," it is "not without hope." He doesn't sugarcoat the situation, and proposes what's next for project survival. Maybe not exciting, but his statements are precisely why Compiz still has a fighting chance." | Jan 05 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | From < http://ostatic.com/blog/compiz-faces-afte... > | Jan 05 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | Fake news/PR: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8111 | Jan 05 22:51 |
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| MinceR | gn | Jan 05 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | At this pace, you'd be in for bedtime at 8 o'clock by the end of the week. | Jan 05 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | This looks like an MS advert/plant: http://www.mixx.com/stories/3359107/expand... | Jan 05 23:17 |
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| MinceR | that would mean i'd actually get enough sleep | Jan 05 23:18 |
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| MinceR | :> | Jan 05 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | Glyn started twitting :-S http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timel... | Jan 05 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | Steve Jobs Addresses Health Concerns in Open Letter < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156316/.html?tk=rss_main > | Jan 05 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | Boffin brings 'write once, run anywhere' to Cisco hijacks < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/05/ci... > | Jan 05 23:31 |
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| Tallken | cya later! | Jan 05 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | Gear Linux advocacy from politicians: Police 'encouraged' to hack more < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7812353.stm > | Jan 05 23:40 |
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| schestowitz | They misspell "crack" | Jan 05 23:40 |
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| schestowitz | "Goldman Sachs believes the Redmond company is likely to reduce its headcount." http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Goldman_Sac... | Jan 05 23:46 |
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| schestowitz | MJF says "Microsoft haters": "Despite lots of wishful thinking by Microsoft haters, Microsoft won’t be destroyed in a day." http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1788 | Jan 05 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | That's like calling Microsoft "Freedom haters". The hypocrisy knows no bounds. | Jan 05 23:48 |
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