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schestowitzThey used to be over 300Mar 02 15:50
schestowitzMinceR: in statisticsMar 02 15:50
schestowitzI'm looking at some graphsMar 02 15:50
schestowitzNovell is almost below $3 now. WowMar 02 15:51
twitterdeviation depends on the distributionMar 02 15:54
schestowitzGaussianMar 02 15:55
schestowitzAnyway, I got it.Mar 02 15:55
twitterthen the usual rules apply, coolMar 02 15:56
schestowitzI'm also tracking NOVL right nowMar 02 15:56
schestowitzI want to grab a shot when it goes to $2.xxMar 02 15:56
twitterI'm waiting for them to sink below 2.49Mar 02 15:57
twitterthat is their 52 week low and will completely erase the greedy gains given to them by M$'s 2004 software patent attack.Mar 02 16:00
twitterfailure by greedMar 02 16:01
schestowitzMSFT @ $15.xx today; NOVL almost at $2.xx . Interesting timesMar 02 16:04
schestowitzI'm also hearing privately about some big news comingMar 02 16:05
schestowitzre: NovellMar 02 16:05
schestowitzbig news from ati alsoMar 02 16:06
schestowitzamd..Mar 02 16:06
twittergood or bad?Mar 02 16:06
PetoKrausalright guysMar 02 16:06
schestowitzCan't tell.Mar 02 16:06
PetoKrausdid you read the novell layoff thing @ phoronix?Mar 02 16:06
schestowitzYesMar 02 16:06
schestowitzThere's more info comingMar 02 16:06
PetoKrausthat's retarded, ain't itMar 02 16:06
PetoKrausgoodMar 02 16:06
PetoKrauswellMar 02 16:07
PetoKrausi doubt it's good infoMar 02 16:07
schestowitzyou'll cMar 02 16:07
PetoKraus:) i hopeMar 02 16:12
PetoKraus7,054,745  Method and system for generating driving directions.Mar 02 16:37
PetoKrausthat's a brilliant patentMar 02 16:37
PetoKrausdoes it mean everytime i tell someone how to drive to my flatMar 02 16:37
PetoKrausi violate it?Mar 02 16:37
schestowitzmaybe if you use "computer"Mar 02 16:43
PetoKrausduhMar 02 16:43
schestowitzOr "on the Internet". That's a common oneMar 02 16:43
PetoKraushow the hell do you think i'm going to tell the person how to get here?Mar 02 16:43
PetoKrausby royal mail?Mar 02 16:43
PetoKraussmoke signals??Mar 02 16:43
PetoKrauseven a phone is a computer nowadaysMar 02 16:44
PetoKrauscome onMar 02 16:44
PetoKraus:)Mar 02 16:44
PetoKrauswhy is it so costly to defend yourself in patent suits?Mar 02 16:44
PetoKrausi mean, you have to pay your lawyer, and, what else?Mar 02 16:45
schestowitzPatents are good fun... like standup comedyMar 02 16:45
schestowitzLawyers often lobby for these laws in the first place. They make themselves jobs this way. Some monopolies like it too because only they can afford a portfolio.Mar 02 16:46
PetoKrausbrbMar 02 16:54
schestowitzReader writes: "The EU pased the US last year: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/th... Bill's software patents will likely make sure it stays that way, unless they become a problem here, too."Mar 02 16:54
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schestowitzI worry that we're growing too fast overall though. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-... . The human population doubles almost every 20 years.Mar 02 16:54
schestowitzhttp://www.itwire.com/content/... (Vista voted tech world's biggest fiasco)Mar 02 16:56
twitterlawsuit costs are often driven up by abusive discovery.  they ask for all sorts of records in the most expensive form possible to waste your lawyer's timeMar 02 17:19
twitterha ha, another Vista failureMar 02 17:20
twitternew 52 week low for M$FT, $15.86Mar 02 17:21
schestowitzTypical Inquirer headline:  Microsoft kicks lesbian from Xbox Live < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/206/1... >Mar 02 17:26
schestowitzSpansion files for bankruptcy protection  < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news... > Isn't this old news by now? With fewer people buying new HW, they'd better take a look at some Lenny for an upgrade. XP won't last for much longer and it's already moldy and uglyMar 02 17:28
schestowitzMicrosoft WIndows is attacking the Internet again: http://www.itwire.com/conten...Mar 02 17:29
schestowitzAIG CEO on Record-Breaking Q4 LossMar 02 17:36
schestowitzLost $61 billion in last Q.  Puts s/w industry in perspective... so feeble. Energy industry likewise..Mar 02 17:38
schestowitzGoing public... oh dear.Mar 02 17:38
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schestowitzWTF??Mar 02 17:39
schestowitzChinese companies want to buy parts of AIG for nothing.Mar 02 17:39
schestowitzThis is disastrous! Watch the NBS interview. http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/financ...Mar 02 17:40
schestowitz*CNBS(typo)Mar 02 17:40
schestowitz*NBSMar 02 17:40
schestowitz*NBC (I can't type it right)Mar 02 17:41
schestowitz"SHY and retiring, softly-spoken Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer says that Apple's iPhone is about to be kicked to touch by the likes of Windows Mobile and Android operating systems."    Comedy Ballmer's comment of the week  < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news... >Mar 02 17:43
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schestowitzOld FUD fighting is back: http://www.handlewithlinux.com/the-u...Mar 02 17:52
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balzacWhy does Steve Ballmer have nice things to say about Android?Mar 02 18:19
balzacProbably because he finds it more respectable than GNU/Linux because Android doesn't have the GNU utitiliesMar 02 18:20
balzacMicrosoft reviles GNU, but they're not so stressed about Linux because Linus Torvalds is such a critic of RMS.Mar 02 18:21
schestowitzBecause GNU likes freedomMar 02 18:22
schestowitzT'so and Linus are resistant to itMar 02 18:22
tessier_RMS is the worst marketing person EVER.Mar 02 18:22
schestowitzThey use it (now) parlty as a tool to attract more devsMar 02 18:22
schestowitztessier: agreed.Mar 02 18:22
tessier_A shame that such an important concept inherited such a smart but anti-social person.Mar 02 18:22
balzacwell, his software is pretty widely propagated for someone who is bad at marketingMar 02 18:23
tessier_Someone needs to found the Free Software OrganisationMar 02 18:23
MinceRhe's not a marketing person at all.Mar 02 18:23
schestowitzAnti-social is not something I agree withMar 02 18:23
schestowitzHe is actually very socialMar 02 18:23
MinceRit's a sad world we live in because marketers matter.Mar 02 18:23
schestowitzBut he disregards those who are anrti-socialMar 02 18:23
tessier_I've met him. I like the guy. He comes off as a total dick.Mar 02 18:23
schestowitzTheir indocrination system prevents them from realising itMar 02 18:23
tessier_Why do I like him despite his outward personality? Because I know what's underneath it.Mar 02 18:24
schestowitzYesMar 02 18:24
schestowitzBut to say he's anti-social is to look only on the surfaceMar 02 18:24
tessier_But in a world where you have to dress professionally and at least have clean fingernails to make the sale he fails.Mar 02 18:24
schestowitzWatch his political blogMar 02 18:24
tessier_Right. Which is as far as most people are going to look.Mar 02 18:24
tessier_You have to entice them to look deeper. And he can't do that.Mar 02 18:24
schestowitzHe very calmly comments critically on mortal issues.Mar 02 18:24
schestowitzHe went through anger management tooMar 02 18:25
schestowitztessier: that's the 'beauty' of the 'system'Mar 02 18:25
schestowitzIt repels anyone but dicks who take you for dinnerMar 02 18:25
schestowitzDoes that make people from say.. Ethiopia... not worth doing business with?Mar 02 18:25
schestowitzThey are likely to be more honest than people in suitsMar 02 18:26
balzacRMS doesn't need to worry about enticing peopleMar 02 18:26
schestowitzBut people in suits are skilled at hiding motives and also believe their lies Mar 02 18:26
balzacDoes Steve Ballmer try to entice people?Mar 02 18:26
schestowitzHe need to bully OEMsMar 02 18:26
schestowitzSo that 'customers' (PC shoppers) have no choiceMar 02 18:27
schestowitzPearlyG is still spending money on buying a new imageMar 02 18:27
balzacmarketing or "presentation" does matterMar 02 18:34
balzacit's not such a terrible thingMar 02 18:34
balzacit's bad how marketing can be used to sell absolute hellMar 02 18:34
balzacwhat it comes down to is that GNU-events need to have really hot booth-babesMar 02 18:35
balzacIf I make enough money, I will sponsor GNU-branded events and there will be strippersMar 02 18:35
balzacnobody will be looking at RMS' beard when the girls start dancingMar 02 18:36
trmancohttp://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/a...Mar 02 18:37
schestowitzHehe.Mar 02 18:37
schestowitztrmanco: there's more coming. TomTom's got some 'newer' newsMar 02 18:38
trmancogood or bad news? schestowitzMar 02 18:38
schestowitztrmanco: none really, none in particular.Mar 02 19:03
balzacSenior Flash Developer Position - NYC, up to $110KMar 02 19:04
balzacsheesh, that's a nice salaryMar 02 19:04
balzacBut I quit using FlashMar 02 19:05
balzacI need to get better at DrupalMar 02 19:05
schestowitzAn analysis of how prevalent GNU/Linux is, particularly on the server: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/02/gart...Mar 02 19:05
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trmancookMar 02 19:28
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?... "Be carefull, GNOME Do is just another stupid Mono app financed by M$-Novell trying to parasite Linux. "Mar 02 19:35
Balroghello againMar 02 19:59
Balrogflash sucks, but it's not going anywhere anytime soon :/Mar 02 20:00
schestowitzI know... Someone wrote to say "Would you consider switching that to an irc://irc.freenode.org link so it will work from GNU-Linux etc?" Should I just add <a href="irc://irc.freenode.org"></a> ?Mar 02 20:02
schestowitzAnother issue was the lack of contact E-mail address :-) "I couldn't spot your email address or even a contact web-form on your blog, I had to google your name to find the email address on freshmeat! Would you consider adding your address to the site?"Mar 02 20:03
schestowitzThe issue was abusive mails I was getting, so never mind that,.Mar 02 20:03
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schestowitzI yearn for some more work on Comes. I've done some googling to ensure I can get directory path by searching for doc_is (e.g. px002233). This means I can go to 3-4 mirrors for exact copy < http://iowa.gotthefacts.org/011607/ >. I wondered where they all came from. :-SMar 02 20:04
Balrogschestowitz: which IRC link?Mar 02 20:05
Balrogand about your email, encode it some wayMar 02 20:05
Balroglike make a box with letters from your email and other letters, and make some green and redMar 02 20:05
Balrogand tell people that the red ones are to be ignored and the green ones are part of your emailMar 02 20:06
Balrogthat can be done with a graphic or with htmlMar 02 20:06
Balrogyes, you'll have no clickability but it will be saferMar 02 20:06
Balrogschestowitz: have you found any good mirrors?Mar 02 20:07
Balrogalso see http://iowa.gotthefacts.org/010807/Mar 02 20:10
Balrogseems like there is an index on the front pageMar 02 20:11
schestowitzYes, I need theseMar 02 20:12
schestowitzBalrog: I ought to add an IRC link that's also directMar 02 20:13
Balrogthat would helpMar 02 20:13
Balrogand not only Linux users can use these links, by the wayMar 02 20:13
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wispygalaxyhello everyone!Mar 02 20:17
Balroghello wispygalaxy!Mar 02 20:17
wispygalaxyhey there balrog!Mar 02 20:17
wispygalaxyi have a snow day today wootMar 02 20:17
Balrogyeah me tooMar 02 20:17
wispygalaxycoolMar 02 20:18
wispygalaxygot like 8 inches of snowMar 02 20:18
Balrogbut only 1/3 classes are cancelledMar 02 20:18
Balrog(but both are finished by now)Mar 02 20:18
wispygalaxyall of my classes were canceledMar 02 20:18
Balrogcool; that's niceMar 02 20:18
schestowitzHi again.Mar 02 20:18
wispygalaxythats good balrog, now you can relaxMar 02 20:18
Balroghere they aren't so generousMar 02 20:18
wispygalaxyhu roy :DMar 02 20:18
wispygalaxyhi*Mar 02 20:18
Balrogexcept that I have papers due :/Mar 02 20:18
schestowitzI've just added text and link to IRC (direct)Mar 02 20:18
wispygalaxythats too bad balrog :(Mar 02 20:18
wispygalaxyi have a case study for management classMar 02 20:18
wispygalaxyi was about to read your posts royMar 02 20:19
Balrogschestowitz: where?Mar 02 20:19
wispygalaxyon the FP of BNMar 02 20:19
wispygalaxyi just came hereMar 02 20:19
wispygalaxymy spring break is this friday hahaMar 02 20:19
wispygalaxyin this weather...Mar 02 20:20
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Balrogmy spring break is from the 9th to the 18thMar 02 20:20
Balrogmonday to friday to wednesday :)Mar 02 20:20
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wispygalaxyyours is longer grrrMar 02 20:20
wispygalaxyXDMar 02 20:20
Balrogschestowitz: see the comment by carlo.98 here: http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/02/26...Mar 02 20:20
Balrog:DMar 02 20:20
wispygalaxythanks for the link!Mar 02 20:21
Balrog(the second comment)Mar 02 20:21
Balrogby himMar 02 20:21
schestowitzBalrog: OK, hold on.Mar 02 20:21
BalrogkMar 02 20:21
*schestowitz just finished the IRC thing in BNMar 02 20:21
Balrogwhere?Mar 02 20:22
wispygalaxywho's carlos.98 balrogMar 02 20:22
Balrogsomeone who commented on that blog postMar 02 20:22
Balrogdon't know him, but what he says is quite trueMar 02 20:22
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wispygalaxyohhh ok, i thought it was someone from the siteMar 02 20:22
Balrognote that on this strongly mac-oriented blog, no one disagrees with him directlyMar 02 20:22
wispygalaxythis site i meanMar 02 20:22
Balrognope.Mar 02 20:22
wispygalaxyok coolMar 02 20:23
schestowitzBalrog: Roughly Drafted used to be betterMar 02 20:23
wispygalaxythe blog post is correct, what is ms gonna do hahaMar 02 20:23
schestowitzwispygalaxy: Lose moneyMar 02 20:24
BalrogI know; I read them because there's still a lot correct in there. I like reading old stuff, but that site isn't well indexedMar 02 20:24
Balrog:/Mar 02 20:24
schestowitzAs long as they can yell "market share!"Mar 02 20:24
wispygalaxyit's inevitable for them to lose moneyMar 02 20:24
schestowitzI posted about this in BN an hour agoMar 02 20:24
schestowitzSee the post reg: IDC, gartnerMar 02 20:24
wispygalaxycool royMar 02 20:24
BalrogI saw it.Mar 02 20:24
wispygalaxyyeah i like a good indexed siteMar 02 20:24
Balrogit's well cross-linked but not indexedMar 02 20:24
wispygalaxydrives me crazy when that happensMar 02 20:25
Balrogwith all the cross-links there, once you start reading (older stuff) you'll be sitting for hoursMar 02 20:25
schestowitzMaybs some company in China will scoop up MSFT when it's another Citi-like rubble.Mar 02 20:25
wispygalaxyhaha like wikipedia balrogMar 02 20:25
wispygalaxychina is on a shopping spreeMar 02 20:25
Balroghopefully the investors will realize what's going on and put a stop to this; maybe there's something that can be saved from itMar 02 20:25
schestowitzBalrog: the indexes will come.Mar 02 20:25
BalrogI'Mar 02 20:26
schestowitzLater this year, I think.Mar 02 20:26
schestowitzI organise these in a WikiMar 02 20:26
BalrogI'm talking about roughlydrafted nowMar 02 20:26
Balrogit's badly indexed :(Mar 02 20:26
schestowitzThe strtaure that's logical needs to be worked out because there is more than one storyMar 02 20:26
schestowitzBalrog: OH, okay..Mar 02 20:26
Balrogfinding older stuff is hard, but that older stuff is well cross-linkedMar 02 20:26
schestowitzBN too lacks indexedMar 02 20:26
schestowitz*indexes (indices)Mar 02 20:26
Balrogyes. :/Mar 02 20:26
wispygalaxyi still can find what i want here roy :)Mar 02 20:27
wispygalaxydo a google searchMar 02 20:27
wispygalaxyanyway, my friend told me that he wanted to try out linux mint last weekMar 02 20:27
schestowitzNo brown?Mar 02 20:27
Balrogyeah but at roughlydrafted there's so much volume of old stuff ... and stuff that doesn't go out of date quickly .... so you get swamped when searchingMar 02 20:27
schestowitzBrownuxMar 02 20:28
wispygalaxyhis other friend was interested too because his vista was screwedMar 02 20:28
Balrogwispygalaxy: I got one of these http://computers.pricegrabber.com/network-storage-... at circuit city with 70% off :)Mar 02 20:28
wispygalaxyhaha royMar 02 20:28
wispygalaxyi always change the default themeMar 02 20:28
wispygalaxyoooo thats nice balrogMar 02 20:28
BalrogI have ssh running on it and some other stuff. But the 16MB of RAM it has is tightMar 02 20:28
wispygalaxy16mb??? wowMar 02 20:29
wispygalaxycan you run DSL on itMar 02 20:29
Balrogyes. It's a linux kernel thoughMar 02 20:29
Balrogno, it's a NAS (network-attached storage) boxMar 02 20:29
wispygalaxyoh i didnt read closelyMar 02 20:29
BalrogI have a separate routerMar 02 20:29
Balrog(without Linux)Mar 02 20:30
wispygalaxyoops i didnt see the storage device partMar 02 20:30
Balrogbut I use this to tunnel into homeMar 02 20:30
wispygalaxywhats the biggest flash drive you haveMar 02 20:30
wispygalaxyi have a 4 GBMar 02 20:30
Balrogme? 16GBMar 02 20:30
wispygalaxyi have a old computer that's 19 GB that used to run win 98Mar 02 20:31
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BalroghehMar 02 20:31
wispygalaxygot it in 1999Mar 02 20:31
BalrogI have old computers tooMar 02 20:31
wispygalaxyfrom dellMar 02 20:31
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Balrogmy smallest hard drives are 20MB I thinkMar 02 20:31
Balrogmostly Apple .... :)Mar 02 20:31
wispygalaxymy dad still uses floppiesMar 02 20:31
BalroghehMar 02 20:31
wispygalaxyhe has a 1974 HP calculatorMar 02 20:32
Balrogthose calculators are greatMar 02 20:32
BalrogbtwMar 02 20:32
wispygalaxythat he used when he was studying to become a mechanical engineerMar 02 20:32
wispygalaxythanksMar 02 20:32
Balrogit's a 15c or 16c ?Mar 02 20:32
wispygalaxyhe still uses it to this day hahaMar 02 20:32
Balroguses RPN?Mar 02 20:32
wispygalaxyi have no clue, ill ask him and get back to you on thatMar 02 20:32
wispygalaxy:)Mar 02 20:33
Balrog(meaning you enter stuff backwards, like 2 enter 4 enter + enter and you get 6?)Mar 02 20:33
wispygalaxyi think soMar 02 20:33
wispygalaxyoh yeah it doesMar 02 20:33
Balrogyeah that's coolMar 02 20:33
BalrogI have a Ti-89 Ti calculator :)Mar 02 20:33
wispygalaxywhen we did math homework together, he's use it XDMar 02 20:33
Balrog:PMar 02 20:33
wispygalaxyin my AP calculus class, a kid had that too ;)Mar 02 20:33
BalroghehMar 02 20:34
wispygalaxybut i still have my silver edition ti-83 plusMar 02 20:34
Balrogyeah the silver editions are niceMar 02 20:34
Balrogthough the 89 is better in its own wayMar 02 20:34
wispygalaxyi got it for free because my regular ti-83 plus had a broken screen.  it looked like as if someone spilled black ink inside itMar 02 20:34
wispygalaxya refund for itMar 02 20:34
Balrogunfortunately, those things are too small (RAM and Flash) to run any alternative OS on itMar 02 20:35
wispygalaxythe 89 looks cooler :)Mar 02 20:35
Balrogdid you break it?Mar 02 20:35
wispygalaxynope, it went like that itselfMar 02 20:35
Balrogwell the dpi of the screen sure is. and it does symbolic math and calculusMar 02 20:35
wispygalaxyi was very careful with my possessions when i was youngerMar 02 20:35
Balrogif you didn't drop it then it wasn't built rightMar 02 20:35
wispygalaxyyep it was poor qualityMar 02 20:35
wispygalaxyright before it broke, the screen would fade in and outMar 02 20:35
wispygalaxyit was like that for 2 weeksMar 02 20:36
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BalrogThe 83+ I've worked with is ok ... sometimes dark spots would appear but they went awayMar 02 20:36
wispygalaxyand right before i had to take my big exam on conic sections for honors algebra 2 in 9th grade, it broke :(Mar 02 20:36
Balrogew. :(Mar 02 20:36
wispygalaxydo you still have your 83 balrogMar 02 20:37
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wispygalaxysee ya zerMar 02 20:37
Balrogyeah though my younger brother is using itMar 02 20:37
Balrogbtw that one cost me $20Mar 02 20:37
wispygalaxyhaha i gave my tv to my lil sisterMar 02 20:37
BalrogI got a 83 (not-plus) recently for $2Mar 02 20:37
wispygalaxyroflMar 02 20:37
Balrogdifference: no flash memoryMar 02 20:37
wispygalaxythat's awesomeMar 02 20:37
Balrogyeah :DMar 02 20:38
wispygalaxyit's still useable i guess :)Mar 02 20:38
Balrogsure.Mar 02 20:38
wispygalaxyi use my 83 plus for financeMar 02 20:38
wispygalaxyeveryone doesMar 02 20:38
Balrogcool.Mar 02 20:38
BalrogI'm not a finance major, so I wouldn't know.Mar 02 20:38
Balrogthey don't allow calculators here for calculus by the wayMar 02 20:39
wispygalaxyit's so much like doing word problems in algebraMar 02 20:39
wispygalaxyits a mix of calculus, economics, and algebraMar 02 20:39
BalroghehMar 02 20:39
BalrogI'll go with physics :)Mar 02 20:39
wispygalaxymy dad couldnt use calculators for some of his engineering classesMar 02 20:39
BalroginterestingMar 02 20:39
wispygalaxycool ;)Mar 02 20:39
Balrogthrow in computer science too. :PMar 02 20:40
Balrogso I'm a dual major in bothMar 02 20:40
wispygalaxyvery dedicated :DMar 02 20:40
BalroghehMar 02 20:40
Balrogtoo much work :/Mar 02 20:40
wispygalaxyi can imagine :)Mar 02 20:40
wispygalaxymy roomate last year was a dual major, early childhood ed and historyMar 02 20:40
Balroghow long did that last?Mar 02 20:41
wispygalaxy2 weeks into the school year, she switched from history to psychMar 02 20:41
BalroghehMar 02 20:41
wispygalaxyshe whined to her friends, "i hate reading all of these books for history"Mar 02 20:41
Balrog:PMar 02 20:41
wispygalaxyi NEVER saw her study or go to the libraryMar 02 20:41
BalrogI see.Mar 02 20:41
wispygalaxyshe always drank saturday nightsMar 02 20:41
Balrogoh that doesn't help.Mar 02 20:42
wispygalaxyand played tetris on facebook with her friends on campusMar 02 20:42
BalroghehMar 02 20:42
Balrogwhat a waste of timeMar 02 20:42
wispygalaxyi saw her math homework, it was pie charts and fractionsMar 02 20:42
wispygalaxyi'm seriousMar 02 20:43
BalroghehMar 02 20:43
wispygalaxyand tesselationsMar 02 20:43
wispygalaxythe text was math for developing children, something like thatMar 02 20:43
BalrogI seeMar 02 20:43
wispygalaxyalmost everyone on my floor last year were history majorsMar 02 20:44
BalroghehMar 02 20:44
wispygalaxyor psych majors hahaMar 02 20:44
Balrogwell this is a large school (that I'm going to)Mar 02 20:44
Balrogand I'm doing science, so I don't see many liberal-arts majorsMar 02 20:44
wispygalaxyi go to a medium sized schoolMar 02 20:44
Balrogcool.Mar 02 20:44
wispygalaxy90 of them here are lib arts majorsMar 02 20:44
Balrogheh I see.Mar 02 20:45
wispygalaxyi wish there were more science types hereMar 02 20:45
wispygalaxyi find them more interestingMar 02 20:45
Balrogmany here are liberal arts majors too, but I don't see them very much.Mar 02 20:45
Balrog:)Mar 02 20:45
Balrogyeah lolMar 02 20:45
wispygalaxyyea i only see business majors a lot b/c i have only business classes nowMar 02 20:46
BalrogI see.Mar 02 20:46
wispygalaxy2 finance, 1 mgmt, 1 mktMar 02 20:46
wispygalaxy4 classes totalMar 02 20:46
BalrogI work in the computer science department (spread over several floors, but mostly on two floors) so I see computer science majors a lot :)Mar 02 20:46
BalrogI'm doing 5 classes...total of 19 creditsMar 02 20:46
wispygalaxyim friends with a comp sci major :)Mar 02 20:47
wispygalaxythats a lot of work!Mar 02 20:47
BalroglolMar 02 20:47
Balrogsure isMar 02 20:47
wispygalaxydo you study in the dorm or at the libraryMar 02 20:48
BalrogI live at homeMar 02 20:48
wispygalaxythat's cool :)Mar 02 20:48
BalrogI study at home and in the CIS department ... they have rooms where you can work without being interruptedMar 02 20:48
wispygalaxymy sis want a upscale apartment in NYC when she goes to grad schoolMar 02 20:48
Balrogcool.Mar 02 20:48
wispygalaxyhaha she's hilariousMar 02 20:48
wispygalaxywe have a business lounge here in the basementMar 02 20:49
wispygalaxywith a computer lab and vending machinesMar 02 20:49
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toroshiMar 02 20:49
wispygalaxyhey torosMar 02 20:49
wispygalaxywelcome to the irc channelMar 02 20:50
Balrogheh coolMar 02 20:51
wispygalaxyhey balrog do you get ads for chinese restaurants shoved in your dorm room under the doorMar 02 20:51
wispygalaxyi get that all the timeMar 02 20:51
wispygalaxyi get 2 on averageMar 02 20:51
wispygalaxyeach weekMar 02 20:51
wispygalaxydid it happen to you last yearMar 02 20:52
BalrogI like at homeMar 02 20:52
Balrogbut people do stand outside and pass around ads at tiemMar 02 20:52
Balrogtimes *Mar 02 20:52
wispygalaxyoh i thought you lived in the dorms last year, sryMar 02 20:53
Balrognope, this is my first year :)Mar 02 20:53
wispygalaxyi get spammed everywhere, even IRLMar 02 20:53
wispygalaxyohhhh ok cool :)Mar 02 20:53
wispygalaxymy sis is a freshman tooMar 02 20:53
BalrogcoolMar 02 20:53
wispygalaxyshes a biology majorMar 02 20:53
wispygalaxyand my little sister wants to do lawMar 02 20:54
BalroghehMar 02 20:54
Balroglaw is hardMar 02 20:54
wispygalaxyi took a law course before, and there's a lot of minute details you have to memorizeMar 02 20:54
wispygalaxylast semesterMar 02 20:54
wispygalaxyso many exceptions to rules, sections of articlesMar 02 20:55
wispygalaxyto memorizeMar 02 20:55
wispygalaxybut that's my last law class ever hahasMar 02 20:56
wispygalaxyhaha*Mar 02 20:56
BalroghehMar 02 20:56
wispygalaxythere was a snowman building competition 2 hours ago hereMar 02 20:57
BalrogniceMar 02 20:57
Balrogcd /sbinMar 02 20:57
BalroglsMar 02 20:57
wispygalaxyi havent built one in years :(Mar 02 20:57
BalrogsorryMar 02 20:57
BalroglolMar 02 20:57
wispygalaxythats ok :)Mar 02 20:57
wispygalaxyi live in an area where the snow turns to rain quicklyMar 02 20:58
wispygalaxyso the snow isn't good enoughMar 02 20:58
Balrogyeah it's like that hereMar 02 20:58
Balrogbut still snowing :)Mar 02 20:58
wispygalaxyit stopped hereMar 02 20:58
Balroghm. I didn't look outside for a bitMar 02 20:58
Balrogmaybe it did stopMar 02 20:58
wispygalaxybut it feels like 15 F due to wind chillMar 02 20:59
Balrogheh yeah definitelyMar 02 20:59
wispygalaxyhaha there's a snowball fight outside my roomMar 02 20:59
Balrogcool!Mar 02 20:59
wispygalaxyi live next to a lake and a wide patch of grassMar 02 20:59
wispygalaxythere are still geese here, they honk all the time at night.Mar 02 21:00
wispygalaxygo south for the winter pleaseMar 02 21:00
Balrog:DMar 02 21:00
wispygalaxydo you have a pet balrog?Mar 02 21:01
Balrognope.Mar 02 21:01
wispygalaxyi have a koi and goldfish pond in my backyardMar 02 21:01
Balrogcool.Mar 02 21:01
wispygalaxy16 inch koiMar 02 21:01
wispygalaxythey tend to shove the other fish out of the way when it's feeding timeMar 02 21:01
Balrogheh lolMar 02 21:02
wispygalaxythe little ones always nibble their food, it's so cuteMar 02 21:02
Balrogyeah.Mar 02 21:02
wispygalaxyit takes them a few tried to get it downMar 02 21:02
wispygalaxytries*Mar 02 21:02
wispygalaxythey love the fountain when it's on, they always go under it because it feels good for them i guessMar 02 21:03
wispygalaxyit's like a mini waterfallMar 02 21:03
Balrog:)Mar 02 21:03
wispygalaxythey know when it's feeding time too, every day during the summer at 6PM, they crowd around the edge of the pondMar 02 21:04
wispygalaxyand peck at the waterMar 02 21:04
wispygalaxywaiting for the foodMar 02 21:04
BalroghahaMar 02 21:05
wispygalaxybalrog, do you plan to buy a netbook?Mar 02 21:06
Balrogpossibly, not sure yetMar 02 21:06
wispygalaxyi don't like big laptops, they take up too much space on my deskMar 02 21:07
BalrogI do like them, as long as they have high usabilityMar 02 21:07
Balrogand are relatively lightMar 02 21:07
BalrogA netbook is easier to carry thoughMar 02 21:07
BalrogI could take one with me to school .... can't do so with my laptopMar 02 21:08
wispygalaxyi have skinny arms, so carrying laptops wear me outMar 02 21:08
wispygalaxynetbooks could probably fit in my purseMar 02 21:08
BalrogprobablyMar 02 21:08
wispygalaxybut now i'm into small purses, so i can't fit themMar 02 21:08
Balrogheh lolMar 02 21:08
wispygalaxya few years ago, i had huge pursesMar 02 21:08
wispygalaxynow i know what are the essentialsMar 02 21:09
Balrogyou don't have to carry textbooks?Mar 02 21:09
wispygalaxyi have a backpack for thatMar 02 21:09
Balrogoh. me tooMar 02 21:09
wispygalaxymy sister uses vera bradley bagsMar 02 21:09
wispygalaxyill show you a link, brbMar 02 21:09
BalrogkMar 02 21:09
schestowitznetbooks-intel-cfriminalsMar 02 21:10
schestowitzwait for ARMMar 02 21:10
wispygalaxyhttp://ameliablog.discoverymap.com/w...Mar 02 21:10
Balrogx86 can run more (currently). Though ARM is useful. my iPhone and iPod touch (both jailbroken) have ARM and run lots of thingsMar 02 21:10
wispygalaxymy 16 yr old sis has that blue oneMar 02 21:10
BalrogI'd still get an x86 or x86_64 .Mar 02 21:11
Balrogwispygalaxy: cool. I don'Mar 02 21:11
BalrogI don't worry too much about that kind of stuff thoughMar 02 21:11
wispygalaxyi thought so haha :)Mar 02 21:11
schestowitzWatch this: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/Mar 02 21:11
schestowitzOops.Mar 02 21:11
BalroghehMar 02 21:11
schestowitzhttp://videos.zdnet.co.uk/260632244.htmMar 02 21:12
Balrogpromoting flash, huh? (lol j/k)Mar 02 21:12
wispygalaxyXDMar 02 21:12
wispygalaxythanks for the link, royMar 02 21:12
BalrogI like arm. It's great for embedded stuffMar 02 21:13
Balrogbut what's wrong with x86?Mar 02 21:13
schestowitzPC sales face 'worst-ever slump': http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technol...Mar 02 21:14
schestowitzBalrog: Intel -- don't give them moneyMar 02 21:14
wispygalaxywintelMar 02 21:14
schestowitzMafia either. Prison threat for Pirate Bay four <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/tec... >Mar 02 21:14
schestowitzPirate Bay has legal Linux ISOs on itMar 02 21:14
Balrogyeah I know it doesMar 02 21:14
schestowitzwispygalaxy: there's more to it than MS (Wintel)Mar 02 21:15
schestowitzIntel is very corruptMar 02 21:15
schestowitzThey deserve topplingMar 02 21:15
wispygalaxyi though so roy :)Mar 02 21:15
schestowitzICANN President to Step Down < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160475/ic... > ICANN Head To Step Down  < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/20... >Mar 02 21:15
schestowitzRe: Intel (today): The world ran out of money and loans. What does it do? "Governments worldwide plan to spend US$3 trillion in economic stimulus, said Thomas Kilroy, vice president and general manager of Intel's Digital Enterprise Group, in an interview in Bangalore." http://www.pcworld.com/article/160459/intel...Mar 02 21:15
BalrogIntel is, but their CPU engineering is (right now) at a better spot than AMDMar 02 21:15
wispygalaxypirate bay helps the spreading of linuxMar 02 21:15
schestowitzChina expects Tibet to celebrate, or else ... < http://groups.google.com/group/soc.cultu... >  AND...........  Tibetan monk 'shot' while on fire < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia... > Mar 02 21:15
wispygalaxybalrog do you know machine languageMar 02 21:15
BalrogI've looked at asmMar 02 21:16
BalrogI haven't worked with it directlyMar 02 21:16
BalrogI will be soon :)Mar 02 21:16
wispygalaxyi haven't eitherMar 02 21:16
wispygalaxyi hope you find it fun!Mar 02 21:16
BalroghehMar 02 21:16
BalrogI hear conflicting reportsMar 02 21:16
wispygalaxydon't listen to the haters!Mar 02 21:17
wispygalaxy;)Mar 02 21:17
Balrogthe engineering students say it's easier than Java. The computer science students say it's harderMar 02 21:17
wispygalaxyi can see why hahaMar 02 21:17
wispygalaxymy dad had to learn fortranMar 02 21:17
Balrogfortran :/Mar 02 21:18
wispygalaxyhe forgot it now, thoughMar 02 21:18
wispygalaxyhe also forgot his frenchMar 02 21:18
BalroghehMar 02 21:18
wispygalaxyi dont want to go through all the trouble of learning a language and then forgetting itMar 02 21:19
wispygalaxybut i tend to easily remember things once i refresh my memoryMar 02 21:19
wispygalaxylike chemistry, took honors chem in 10th grade, forgot most of it.  once people start discussing it, it all comes back to meMar 02 21:19
BalrogcoolMar 02 21:20
wispygalaxybalrog do you plan to travel for spring break?Mar 02 21:22
Balrognope.Mar 02 21:22
wispygalaxyi might, not sureMar 02 21:22
Balrogtoo busyMar 02 21:22
BalrogcoolMar 02 21:22
wispygalaxyaww that's too badMar 02 21:22
trmancohttp://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulato...Mar 02 21:22
trmancohttp://article.gmane.org/gmane.co...Mar 02 21:22
wispygalaxyhi trmancoMar 02 21:23
trmancohelloMar 02 21:23
Balroghi trmancoMar 02 21:23
wispygalaxyi remember you from a couple weeks ago hereMar 02 21:23
trmancohi BalrogMar 02 21:23
trmancowispygalaxy, I don't :|Mar 02 21:23
wispygalaxythat's ok hahaMar 02 21:23
wispygalaxyi was here for a short time thoughMar 02 21:24
trmancodid we talk?Mar 02 21:24
wispygalaxyi think soMar 02 21:25
wispygalaxywith schestowitzMar 02 21:25
trmancoabout what?Mar 02 21:25
wispygalaxyi think NASA and linuxMar 02 21:25
PetoKrausheya wispygalaxyMar 02 21:26
schestowitztrmanco: wispygalaxy is one of the girls from Digg.Mar 02 21:26
wispygalaxypk! hey thereMar 02 21:26
schestowitzNext possible superpower (when they acquire dying US asets that are in debt and denial): China's lunar probe lands on moon < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/as... >Mar 02 21:26
trmancohmm, I definitely don't rememberMar 02 21:26
PetoKraustrmanco: getting old, eh?Mar 02 21:26
Balrogheh diggMar 02 21:26
schestowitzMaybe it was just "wispy" the last time.Mar 02 21:26
BalrogI don't go there muchMar 02 21:26
wispygalaxythat's ok trmancoMar 02 21:26
schestowitzPetoKraus: hehe. Don't say that.Mar 02 21:26
trmancowispygalaxy, what is you digg name?Mar 02 21:26
wispygalaxyyes, i used the "wispy" nymMar 02 21:26
schestowitztrmanco: are you 19 or 91?Mar 02 21:27
wispygalaxywispygalaxyMar 02 21:27
trmancoPetoKraus, hmmm, I mightMar 02 21:27
PetoKraus:) yeahMar 02 21:27
PetoKrauswe're old, trmanco, face itMar 02 21:27
PetoKraus:OMar 02 21:27
trmancoschestowitz, I don't remember, maybe 91, yeah, you are right, let me count the years! :-PMar 02 21:27
PetoKrausi'm afraid to even check my account for the money i don't have thereMar 02 21:28
PetoKrausand payday was three days agoMar 02 21:28
trmancoPetoKraus, oh, yeah, I'm already retiredMar 02 21:28
wispygalaxywho goes to college hereMar 02 21:28
wispygalaxyi doMar 02 21:28
PetoKrausme.Mar 02 21:28
PetoKrauswell, it's a uni.Mar 02 21:28
trmancowispygalaxy, found yaMar 02 21:28
wispygalaxycoolMar 02 21:29
wispygalaxyyou can call it a uni here tooMar 02 21:29
Balrogheh me, but yhou know that alreadyMar 02 21:29
*trmanco clicked Add FriendMar 02 21:29
wispygalaxyhaha thanksMar 02 21:29
schestowitzHow on earth foes a company make a HDD compatible only with Windows??? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13845_3-10...Mar 02 21:29
schestowitz"Alas, according to the specs, the FreeAgent is compatible only with Windows XP and later models of Microsoft's operating system. You may be able to reformat the drive to work with a Mac or Linux system, but I'm not an expert in that area. (If you are, hit the comments.)"Mar 02 21:29
schestowitz"Holy massive storage, Batman! I thought a 1-terabyte external drive for $99 was a killer deal, but Dell is offering a 1.5TB Seagate FreeAgent USB drive for $112.49. No rebates, free shipping, smokin' bargain."Mar 02 21:29
trmancoschestowitz, that is what they all sayMar 02 21:29
PetoKraus:/Mar 02 21:29
PetoKrausanywayMar 02 21:29
wispygalaxythe double major, balrog, how can i forget?  :)Mar 02 21:29
BalroglolMar 02 21:30
PetoKrausi'd like to get a usb thermometerMar 02 21:30
PetoKrausamong other thingsMar 02 21:30
PetoKrauswhich works with linuxMar 02 21:30
Balrogthe FreeAgent is just another external hard driveMar 02 21:30
schestowitzSome Oracle Ripoffux news today.. Ellison (et al) thinks of community as "community of investors". He won't appeal to GNU/Linux aficionados. Hmmmm.. they squuezed in some older items in there so they claim an age of 8 years... < http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=4247 >Mar 02 21:30
wispygalaxythere are a lot of funny things that come in usb formMar 02 21:31
schestowitzLike ovens?Mar 02 21:31
trmancobearsMar 02 21:31
wispygalaxylike the teddy bear without the headMar 02 21:31
wispygalaxyhaha yesMar 02 21:31
trmancoyeahMar 02 21:31
schestowitzThey just pick up the powerMar 02 21:31
schestowitzYou can do USB lampsMar 02 21:31
Balroga USB thermometer should report the data back to the host systemMar 02 21:31
wispygalaxyi have a boring silver oneMar 02 21:31
PetoKrausYAEHDDMar 02 21:31
PetoKrausit's bad when you give student moneyMar 02 21:31
PetoKrausand Scotch for €£1.50Mar 02 21:31
PetoKraus:)Mar 02 21:32
PetoKrauswe had this ideaMar 02 21:32
trmancololMar 02 21:32
PetoKrausthere was one which used 3.5 jackMar 02 21:32
wispygalaxythe thermometer sounds really coolMar 02 21:32
schestowitzThere's Linux-only tuxroid.. what was it called?Mar 02 21:32
PetoKrausso we were likeMar 02 21:32
wispygalaxyi want the tuxroid :PMar 02 21:32
PetoKrauslet's plug it into the pcMar 02 21:32
PetoKrausrecord the data as a waveformMar 02 21:32
PetoKrausspeed it upMar 02 21:32
schestowitzCalifornia in drought emergency < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/... > Setting ‘Green’ Goals: "The Obama budget promises what it calls a comprehensive effort to address global warming, slash oil imports and create a new “green” economy that produces millions of new jobs." http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/wa...Mar 02 21:32


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