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| schestowitz | Cork Board With The GIMP < http://gnulinuxblog.com/how-to/cor... >. | Mar 09 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | Wishful thinking: Microsoft starts to play ball with standards < http://mybroadband.co.za/blogs/2009/03... > | Mar 09 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Monopoly abuse respawned: "Allowing Microsoft to control the FAT32 patent this way is allowing them to leverage their monopoly status." http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main... | Mar 09 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Open source microbloggers you should follow < http://www.tuxradar.com/microbloggers >. Very cool! I'm included there among some famous people. | Mar 09 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | After 13,430 comments and 6,645 submissions I've nearly halted my participation in Digg.com. That site is heading the wrong way and it's dominated by people who game it. | Mar 09 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Pessimistic perspective: U.S. Schools: Not Ready For Linux < http://beginlinux.wordpress.com/2009... >. Linux is ready for them, but they are not ready for change. Maybe when their budgets runs short (bar EDGI). | Mar 09 00:59 |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 09 01:04 |
| schestowitz | "In other words: Microsoft gets already paid for Linux..." http://www.fsdaily.com/Legal/Linux_companie... | Mar 09 01:18 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi all! | Mar 09 01:53 |
| _Hicham_ | No nobody is in here? | Mar 09 01:56 |
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| _Hicham_ | wow | Mar 09 02:00 |
| _Hicham_ | everybody is sleeping | Mar 09 02:00 |
| zer0c00l | only half of the world sleeps | Mar 09 02:05 |
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| balzac | lart! | Mar 09 03:32 |
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| heftycat | can someone tell me what version of linux and what theme this is please!! http://armstrong-clan.net/dump/g1-l... | Mar 09 04:21 |
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| mib_nct4yw | mibbit | Mar 09 06:32 |
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| schestowitz | hey. | Mar 09 07:36 |
| schestowitz | Warren Buffett receives direct investments from the Gates Foundation which he's in: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/... | Mar 09 07:50 |
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| schestowitz | Oracle reaches for Virtual Iron < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... > "Speculation is growing that Oracle is close to acquiring Virtual Iron." | Mar 09 07:53 |
| Eruaran | hi | Mar 09 07:54 |
| Eruaran | brb | Mar 09 07:55 |
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| Eruaran | Thats better... | Mar 09 07:55 |
| Eruaran | Quassel doesn't change your colours unless you restart it | Mar 09 07:56 |
| schestowitz | I see..... what's up anyway? | Mar 09 07:56 |
| Eruaran | Not much... long weekend | Mar 09 07:56 |
| Eruaran | Was a public holiday today | Mar 09 07:57 |
| Eruaran | I installed the latest alpha of Kubuntu 9.04 | Mar 09 07:57 |
| Eruaran | Over all, for an alpha, its not bad at all | Mar 09 07:58 |
| Eruaran | I think I'll just keep it | Mar 09 07:59 |
| Eruaran | It appears to be stable enough for daily use | Mar 09 08:00 |
| schestowitz | I wonder about FF 3.1 | Mar 09 08:00 |
| schestowitz | The issue is, many extensions are not yet compatible with it | Mar 09 08:00 |
| schestowitz | Sign of the times: http://www.pcworld.com/article/160892/cebi... (Cebit Sees Big Drop in Visitor Numbers) | Mar 09 08:01 |
| Eruaran | oh... when I mouse over that link I get a preview... nice | Mar 09 08:01 |
| Eruaran | One of the major suppliers here in Australia is closing some of its offices | Mar 09 08:03 |
| Eruaran | Ingram Micro | Mar 09 08:03 |
| Eruaran | Doesn't affect us though | Mar 09 08:04 |
| schestowitz | Maybe affects positively (if they compete directly)? | Mar 09 08:05 |
| schestowitz | I guess Vista was a big boon after all.... | Mar 09 08:05 |
| schestowitz | IDC[hill] was wrong | Mar 09 08:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/n... | Mar 09 08:06 |
| Eruaran | I'm really liking KDE 4.2 | Mar 09 08:07 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/group/kde | Mar 09 08:08 |
| Eruaran | K3B looks so old now with everything else on my desktop being KDE4 | Mar 09 08:12 |
| schestowitz | The developer is paid by Mandriva for Nepomuk now | Mar 09 08:16 |
| schestowitz | Is K3D not Plasmafied? | Mar 09 08:16 |
| Eruaran | No... waiting for the KDE4 version | Mar 09 08:17 |
| Eruaran | Using the KDE3 version atm | Mar 09 08:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.socialsignal.com/image/als... | Mar 09 08:37 |
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| schestowitz | Economist calculates optimum term of copyright: 14 years! "He's presenting it in Berlin this week, but it's already online." http://www.boingboing.net/2007/07/12/ec... | Mar 09 08:41 |
| schestowitz | "The article confusingly uses the term "intellectual property", treating it as a synonym for "patents". This term spreads confusion every time it is used." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-jan-apr... | Mar 09 08:52 |
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| schestowitz | Palin Says Another Great Depression is Possible < http://www.youtube.com/watch?... > | Mar 09 10:16 |
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| oiaohm | I think the big problem for MS people to get there heads around is that Windows did not require to be better than it competors to take market domiance. | Mar 09 10:35 |
| MinceR | geekings | Mar 09 10:35 |
| oiaohm | Lot of current day MS people talk like Apple people of old. | Mar 09 10:35 |
| oiaohm | Hi MinceR | Mar 09 10:35 |
| schestowitz | Apple will suffer a lot | Mar 09 10:36 |
| schestowitz | I don't quite imagine people buying high-end Macs and even iPods for premium prices | Mar 09 10:37 |
| oiaohm | Think back to when Apple had like 80 to 90 percent market share. | Mar 09 10:37 |
| oiaohm | And dos appeared. | Mar 09 10:37 |
| oiaohm | History repeats itself. | Mar 09 10:38 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: only this time Apple won't rise | Mar 09 10:40 |
| schestowitz | It'll be commodity software. | Mar 09 10:40 |
| schestowitz | People will reuse existing or old PCs. By "people" I mean not people's whose work is based on computers. | Mar 09 10:40 |
| oiaohm | MS vs Open Source is the same battle as Apple vs MS a long time ago. | Mar 09 10:41 |
| oiaohm | Just with different players in the game. | Mar 09 10:41 |
| MinceR | yeah, let's just equate Open Source to MS. | Mar 09 10:42 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 10:42 |
| oiaohm | The method of attack is even the same. | Mar 09 10:43 |
| oiaohm | MS provide cheep product to lot of system builders . | Mar 09 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Open source is providing cheep product to a lot of system builder. | Mar 09 10:43 |
| schestowitz | it's not working like this | Mar 09 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Its a simple undercutting game. | Mar 09 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Free software economics is different | Mar 09 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | You can't compare battles of companies | Mar 09 10:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?... | Mar 09 10:44 |
| oiaohm | Methods that work really don't change. | Mar 09 10:45 |
| oiaohm | Opensource will win for the same basic reasons MS won against Apple. | Mar 09 10:45 |
| schestowitz | Crime? | Mar 09 10:46 |
| oiaohm | A mixture of Cost and Function. | Mar 09 10:46 |
| schestowitz | You have to look back at how Microsoft 'won' | Mar 09 10:46 |
| schestowitz | I recommend this < http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.... > as a starting point | Mar 09 10:46 |
| Eruaran | Microsoft is still trying to "win" the same way now | Mar 09 10:47 |
| Eruaran | But times have changed | Mar 09 10:47 |
| oiaohm | Crime bit cememted there location. Did not give them there location in the first place. | Mar 09 10:48 |
| schestowitz | Theft did? | Mar 09 10:49 |
| oiaohm | cp/m vs dos. Both did the simpler things dos was cheep. Apple vs dos, Dos could do a lot of the functions business required cheeper. | Mar 09 10:49 |
| oiaohm | Cost and Function without them MS would have never been able to get anything. | Mar 09 10:49 |
| MinceR | what wasn't cheaper than apple anyway? | Mar 09 10:50 |
| MinceR | i doubt plain ol' cp/m was expensive | Mar 09 10:50 |
| oiaohm | cp/m was expenive about a 1500 USD licence per machine. | Mar 09 10:50 |
| Eruaran | Linux Mint 6 KDE RC1 is looking good. They have done KDE4 versions of their nice Minty apps and their choice of popular apps might be a winner with Joe Average. Might download it and start offering it to customers soon. | Mar 09 10:50 |
| oiaohm | After cp/m shot self in foot on price they had already lost too much market to Dos to recover. | Mar 09 10:51 |
| oiaohm | MS has forgot price got them there market share. And price is starting to take it away. | Mar 09 10:51 |
| Eruaran | DOS on IBM PC's at the time were cheaper than ones with CP/M... If I remember correctly CP/M was available with an IBM PC for around $250 while DOS was under $100. | Mar 09 10:52 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: this is not the complete story | Mar 09 10:52 |
| Eruaran | But it really wasnt the 1980's that cemented things | Mar 09 10:53 |
| schestowitz | You're also forgetting the generation after DOS | Mar 09 10:53 |
| schestowitz | DR-DOS too | Mar 09 10:53 |
| oiaohm | I know its not the complete story schestowitz | Mar 09 10:53 |
| schestowitz | Then the crimes against OS/2 | Mar 09 10:53 |
| Eruaran | People forget there were a number of highly successful non-IBM platforms in the 80's | Mar 09 10:53 |
| oiaohm | Without crime effects the base rules of the market return to play schestowitz | Mar 09 10:53 |
| Eruaran | Apple ][, Macintosh, C64, Amiga... | Mar 09 10:53 |
| oiaohm | Base rules of cost vs features. | Mar 09 10:54 |
| schestowitz | FUD too | Mar 09 10:54 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft encouraged this | Mar 09 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Those base rules have returned MS has not changed to cope. | Mar 09 10:54 |
| schestowitz | I doubt there are effective laws. | Mar 09 10:54 |
| Eruaran | A number of things went Microsoft's way in the late 80's and early 90's that wont be repeated again | Mar 09 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Really Eruaran | Mar 09 10:55 |
| Eruaran | yes | Mar 09 10:55 |
| oiaohm | Given enough time history always repeats in some form. | Mar 09 10:55 |
| Eruaran | The environment that helped Microsoft cement its monopoly will not repeat again, for Microsoft. | Mar 09 10:55 |
| oiaohm | Remember the some form bit. | Mar 09 10:56 |
| oiaohm | Same environment like effects may appear for opensource or someone elsee. | Mar 09 10:56 |
| oiaohm | MS has a platform shift from Servers to Desktops. | Mar 09 10:57 |
| oiaohm | That gave them there chance. | Mar 09 10:57 |
| oiaohm | has/had | Mar 09 10:57 |
| oiaohm | Current day platform shift is from different OS's doing different segments to a Single OS doing everything. | Mar 09 10:57 |
| oiaohm | Who is on top and who is on bottom after these shifts is never for sure. | Mar 09 10:58 |
| Eruaran | I remember Commodore completely screwed themselves. I remember Apple floundered without Steve Jobs. The PC market began to emerge as "the" common platform of choice and Microsoft took full advandage of their position in that market. Disruption is happening again right now, but Microsoft isn't the beneficiary this time. It is the operating system most favored in the new embedded markets that has the brightest future. | Mar 09 10:59 |
| oiaohm | So you can see what I am talking about Eruaran history is repeating it self just with a new set of winners and losses. | Mar 09 11:00 |
| Eruaran | The operating system that is most ubiquitous on multiple hardware platforms has the best chance in a new global market where no single hardware platform dominates entirely. | Mar 09 11:00 |
| Eruaran | oiaohm: yes, I should clarify that I meant the set of circumstances that favored Microsoft will not repeat... someone else will benefit | Mar 09 11:02 |
| oiaohm | Best laugh I got out of Linux Hater followers. Is the idea that netbooks had to show up in web surveys. | Mar 09 11:02 |
| Eruaran | but yeah similar disruption from below, different winners | Mar 09 11:02 |
| oiaohm | Its funny how much MS is coping the Apple of old. | Mar 09 11:03 |
| oiaohm | We are top so we can charge what we like point of view. The very thing that stuffed Apple. | Mar 09 11:04 |
| oiaohm | All CEO of companies really should be forced to take a required history class in why businesses fail. | Mar 09 11:05 |
| Eruaran | Folks inside Apple thought they were finished when the Amiga hit the streets. | Mar 09 11:05 |
| oiaohm | Amiga also shot themselfs in the foot. | Mar 09 11:06 |
| Eruaran | Yes. | Mar 09 11:06 |
| oiaohm | They did not see how important business market was. | Mar 09 11:06 |
| oiaohm | And focused on the home market. | Mar 09 11:06 |
| oiaohm | Business normally sets home use. | Mar 09 11:06 |
| oiaohm | At the time computers had not been around long enough for Amiga to know better. | Mar 09 11:07 |
| Eruaran | Now, what non-Microsoft operating system can you think of today where big businesses have vested interests in its success ? | Mar 09 11:09 |
| oiaohm | Linux is lead. There are a few other edge ones that might jump up and shock the crude out of everyone. | Mar 09 11:10 |
| schestowitz | It's being disrupted by perversion of laws | Mar 09 11:11 |
| oiaohm | Linux is not 100 percent technically ready to take over either. | Mar 09 11:12 |
| oiaohm | Its too complex still to manage like 20 machines. | Mar 09 11:12 |
| oiaohm | Solutions to that are appearing. | Mar 09 11:13 |
| oiaohm | Disruption by bending of laws is one problem. There are technical problems as well. | Mar 09 11:15 |
| oiaohm | Were Linux tech problems don't come into play its done very well. | Mar 09 11:16 |
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| tacone1 | schestowitz: there ? | Mar 09 11:22 |
| schestowitz | Yes. | Mar 09 11:23 |
| schestowitz | What's up? | Mar 09 11:23 |
| tacone1 | did you gave a look to splashtop patents? | Mar 09 11:24 |
| schestowitz | I haven't, no. | Mar 09 11:24 |
| schestowitz | Any links? | Mar 09 11:24 |
| tacone1 | http://www.google.com/patents?id=KGh6AAAAEBAJ | Mar 09 11:24 |
| tacone1 | http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7441113.html | Mar 09 11:25 |
| tacone1 | i wrote something here, but nothing really interesting: http://www.stefanoforenza.com/how-w... | Mar 09 11:25 |
| tacone1 | my point is those patent could make splashtop the only bios operating system on the market | Mar 09 11:26 |
| tacone1 | beside dell workarounding the patents by embedding an additional cpu | Mar 09 11:26 |
| schestowitz | ARM? | Mar 09 11:27 |
| tacone1 | right | Mar 09 11:27 |
| schestowitz | Is that why they did this? | Mar 09 11:27 |
| schestowitz | Patents? | Mar 09 11:27 |
| tacone1 | that's just my take. | Mar 09 11:27 |
| tacone1 | my guess. | Mar 09 11:27 |
| tacone1 | how can they otherwise load a bios OS while the main OS is loading without infringe splashtop patents ? | Mar 09 11:27 |
| schestowitz | I see now..... | Mar 09 11:29 |
| schestowitz | Do they intend to assert rights? | Mar 09 11:29 |
| tacone1 | what you thing ? am i simply crazy ? | Mar 09 11:29 |
| schestowitz | They could claim to be seeking a monopoly | Mar 09 11:29 |
| tacone1 | right. | Mar 09 11:30 |
| schestowitz | Or play defensively. | Mar 09 11:30 |
| tacone1 | i don't know anything. i just saw the patents on their homepage and gave a look | Mar 09 11:30 |
| tacone1 | i have no sources. | Mar 09 11:30 |
| tacone1 | the freaking patent system, makes you patent everything even if you don't want to be aggressive. | Mar 09 11:30 |
| tacone1 | thruth to be told, no one ever needs patents to defend. prior art is all it's needed. | Mar 09 11:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.freepatentsonline... | Mar 09 11:31 |
| schestowitz | There may not be prior art, but is it something that's hard to think of? | Mar 09 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Patents are trophies to some | Mar 09 11:32 |
| schestowitz | Like Microsoft's "we have 10k patents" PR | Mar 09 11:32 |
| schestowitz | To programmers too it's some source of pride like academic publication | Mar 09 11:32 |
| tacone1 | patents are power | Mar 09 11:32 |
| schestowitz | Well, monopoly is power | Mar 09 11:33 |
| tacone1 | you sue M$ (for example) because they infringe your patent. | Mar 09 11:33 |
| schestowitz | Patents are a monopoly | Mar 09 11:33 |
| tacone1 | they'll look at your business and found something that infringes some of their patents | Mar 09 11:33 |
| schestowitz | They get passed around too | Mar 09 11:33 |
| tacone1 | and then try to settle | Mar 09 11:33 |
| schestowitz | So Microsoft's patent harvester (IV) claimed to have 'purchased' 20k monopolies | Mar 09 11:33 |
| tacone1 | well, now you know :) | Mar 09 11:33 |
| schestowitz | "You can't do this and that" | Mar 09 11:33 |
| schestowitz | The US economy is collapsing do they create imaginary property | Mar 09 11:34 |
| schestowitz | China laughs at it | Mar 09 11:34 |
| schestowitz | It has its own | Mar 09 11:34 |
| schestowitz | And it got burned by bad loans to the US | Mar 09 11:34 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft thinks it can survive with patents | Mar 09 11:34 |
| schestowitz | When was IV created? | Mar 09 11:35 |
| tacone1 | IV = ? | Mar 09 11:35 |
| schestowitz | Let me check because it tells you when Gates decided that Microsoft's days are numbered | Mar 09 11:35 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inte... | Mar 09 11:35 |
| tacone1 | ahhh | Mar 09 11:35 |
| schestowitz | Ha!! | Mar 09 11:35 |
| schestowitz | 200 | Mar 09 11:35 |
| schestowitz | 2000 | Mar 09 11:35 |
| schestowitz | That's around the time Gates had stepped down | Mar 09 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft lost billiobs | Mar 09 11:36 |
| schestowitz | The company had some savings, but the company was doomed | Mar 09 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Mar 09 11:36 |
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| schestowitz | In Wikipedia: "Genre Patent troll" | Mar 09 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Mar 09 11:36 |
| Omar87 | Hi | Mar 09 11:36 |
| schestowitz | I know now that Wikipedia has no shame. it says the truth. | Mar 09 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Hi, Omar87 | Mar 09 11:37 |
| tacone1 | the Ms = next SCO prediction | Mar 09 11:37 |
| schestowitz | OMG | Mar 09 11:37 |
| schestowitz | 1999: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_an... | Mar 09 11:37 |
| tacone1 | ? | Mar 09 11:37 |
| schestowitz | So the pyramid started at around the same time | Mar 09 11:37 |
| schestowitz | 1998: Microsoft lost $18 billiob | Mar 09 11:38 |
| schestowitz | 1999: Gates Foundry is created (the bank account | Mar 09 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Gates spoke to his colleague Mhyrvold about addressing the problems with software profitability and patents | Mar 09 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Mhyrvold told the press recently that he had come up with IV | Mar 09 11:39 |
| schestowitz | Then, in 2000, IV was created | Mar 09 11:39 |
| tacone1 | he only lacks to run for the white house | Mar 09 11:39 |
| tacone1 | then he's done. | Mar 09 11:39 |
| schestowitz | Been harvesting 20,000 or so patents since, IIRC. | Mar 09 11:39 |
| oiaohm | Issue with splashtop patents is they are open to prior art nuking. | Mar 09 11:45 |
| oiaohm | corebios did it first. | Mar 09 11:45 |
| oiaohm | Or its old name Linuxbios | Mar 09 11:46 |
| schestowitz | tacone1: I'll link to your post later | Mar 09 11:47 |
| tacone1 | k | Mar 09 11:47 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm/ tacone1 : do you know anything about MS and patents between 2000 and 2003? | Mar 09 12:02 |
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| oiaohm | Not done large patent research. | Mar 09 12:12 |
| oiaohm | The other annoying bit of patent law. If you know about a patent and you code something that clashes with it. Costs you more. | Mar 09 12:13 |
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| schestowitz | Re: Gates Foundry: ""The danger isn't in what people do tell you — it's in what they don't," departing foundation CEO Patty Stonesifer warned in the 2007 annual report." | Mar 09 13:26 |
| Eruaran | indeed | Mar 09 13:27 |
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| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Mar 09 13:34 |
| oiaohm | Danger also sometimes comes from people being wishful thinking. There are cases were no answer is right. | Mar 09 13:34 |
| schestowitz | EU funds Microsoft lobby group < http://politics.remedy.org.ua/... > | Mar 09 13:35 |
| Eruaran | yeesh | Mar 09 13:36 |
| Eruaran | Sounds like Microsoft is looking to widen its use of the software it provided to the Australian Federal Police | Mar 09 13:39 |
| Eruaran | Its good publicity... | Mar 09 13:40 |
| Eruaran | Child Exploitation Tracking System (CETS) | Mar 09 13:40 |
| Eruaran | http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/208175... | Mar 09 13:41 |
| oiaohm | Most other countires police are going Linux. | Mar 09 13:42 |
| oiaohm | Normal MS flood Australia | Mar 09 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 09 13:46 |
| schestowitz | And it's like EDGI in this case | Mar 09 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Dump software to be anti-competitive | Mar 09 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Claims to be charitable | Mar 09 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Claim to protect kids or helping their education | Mar 09 13:46 |
| schestowitz | They did this in India too | Mar 09 13:46 |
| schestowitz | And they honestly believe that what they do is right. | Mar 09 13:47 |
| oiaohm | there is a problem here. | Mar 09 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Indoctrination frameworks enable self justification. | Mar 09 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Same systems used to investage drug crimes could have been turned to child exploitation tracking. | Mar 09 13:48 |
| oiaohm | So effectively CETS makes our online police less all rounders. | Mar 09 13:48 |
| schestowitz | All rounder for the Microsoft monopoly :-D | Mar 09 13:50 |
| Eruaran | Yes Microsoft "donated" the software | Mar 09 13:52 |
| Balrog | hello everyone | Mar 09 13:55 |
| Eruaran | hi | Mar 09 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: like a man 'donates' his sperm | Mar 09 13:56 |
| *Eruaran suddenly sees lots of little BillG's running around... its a nightmare | Mar 09 13:57 | |
| schestowitz | MS Gotta spread the MS-DNA | Mar 09 13:57 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: Gates is a politician now | Mar 09 13:58 |
| Eruaran | Now ? | Mar 09 13:58 |
| schestowitz | He's lobbying all over the place, as predicated. The 'retirement' bit was a turn to more valuable services to Microsoft | Mar 09 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: yes, now. All the time | Mar 09 13:58 |
| schestowitz | His daddy is still involved too, as always | Mar 09 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Clearing barrier | Mar 09 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Yesterday: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Video_... | Mar 09 13:59 |
| schestowitz | We wrote about him quite a lot in BN recently. Microsoft is a broader political animal than most people realised | Mar 09 13:59 |
| schestowitz | I am still yearning for an answer to the question, how did Microsoft manage to legalise sw patents in Aussie? | Mar 09 14:00 |
| Eruaran | Free trade agreement with the US | Mar 09 14:00 |
| Eruaran | Laws had to be 'smoothed out' if you know what I mean | Mar 09 14:01 |
| Eruaran | synchronised | Mar 09 14:01 |
| MinceR | yeah, got to apply those 'investments' to the rest of the "free world" | Mar 09 14:03 |
| MinceR | if we let the megacorps get away with these things for long, soon they'll streamline this process | Mar 09 14:04 |
| oiaohm | There has been no legal case in Australia over software patents. | Mar 09 14:04 |
| oiaohm | With the way Australian law works until then you can never be sure that they can be applied. | Mar 09 14:05 |
| schestowitz | HA! | Mar 09 14:06 |
| schestowitz | NAFTA | Mar 09 14:06 |
| schestowitz | One of the biggest scams of the decade. | Mar 09 14:06 |
| schestowitz | But the press kept quite about it. Amazing, isn't it? Like the ACTA, hush-hush mmmmmmmkay? | Mar 09 14:06 |
| MinceR | and what about WIPO? | Mar 09 14:06 |
| schestowitz | WIPO is corrupt too | Mar 09 14:06 |
| schestowitz | Created to serve those who need 'protection' | Mar 09 14:07 |
| schestowitz | Who funds WIPO? | Mar 09 14:07 |
| MinceR | the UN, i guess | Mar 09 14:07 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: in the EU they now call it harmonisation | Mar 09 14:07 |
| Eruaran | yes | Mar 09 14:07 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft uses the US whore (cronie), Charles McCreevy. | Mar 09 14:07 |
| schestowitz | He also serves the US MAFIAA on the face it it (the copyrights cartel). There are others in this 'cast;. | Mar 09 14:08 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: worry not. | Mar 09 14:08 |
| MinceR | why? | Mar 09 14:09 |
| schestowitz | The US is such a wonderful economy (ask Friedman or Greespan), so why wouldn't the EU want to 'harmonise'? | Mar 09 14:09 |
| schestowitz | *Greenspan | Mar 09 14:09 |
| schestowitz | "Come and join... be 'equally' messed up" | Mar 09 14:09 |
| MinceR | and the EU might just do that happily | Mar 09 14:10 |
| schestowitz | "Or we'll come and liberate you with our freedom and democracy" | Mar 09 14:10 |
| MinceR | especially if they can avoid having to inform the citizens | Mar 09 14:10 |
| schestowitz | > MinceR: and the EU might just do that happily | Mar 09 14:10 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Hungary too | Mar 09 14:10 |
| MinceR | especially hungary | Mar 09 14:10 |
| schestowitz | They just need insiders in govt. | Mar 09 14:10 |
| MinceR | or bribes | Mar 09 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Some are Microsoft employees | Mar 09 14:11 |
| schestowitz | I'll show you something. | Mar 09 14:11 |
| MinceR | they already have people willingly serving microsoft here | Mar 09 14:11 |
| Eruaran | Reminds me of a journalist in the middle east when the US was bombing Baghdad, as he watched the city being bombed he said, "ah, democracy ?" | Mar 09 14:11 |
| schestowitz | I've myself lost track of the EU MS cronies: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/29/... | Mar 09 14:11 |
| schestowitz | Figel is a HUGE MS crony. | Mar 09 14:11 |
| oiaohm | http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/pa... Australian patent system. Goverment money sink. | Mar 09 14:12 |
| schestowitz | They recently held their magical "innovation day" | Mar 09 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Lobbying orgy disguised as a day to celebrate "innovation" | Mar 09 14:12 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: no, no... JOBS | Mar 09 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Create jobs | Mar 09 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Make more banks | Mar 09 14:13 |
| schestowitz | More bureaucracy | Mar 09 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Have engineers write down ideas. | Mar 09 14:13 |
| schestowitz | And THEN write some code | Mar 09 14:13 |
| schestowitz | BUT! | Mar 09 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Before they write code they must review 7 million US patents and many others that got filed in other places | Mar 09 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Also: they must thoroughly understand patent law | Mar 09 14:14 |
| schestowitz | They should hire a lawyer | Mar 09 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Yay! More jobs!! Lawyers. | Mar 09 14:14 |
| schestowitz | And the lawyers themselves have fun making money by talking to each other in front of a well-paid man with a gavel | Mar 09 14:14 |
| oiaohm | No read the page I showed schestowitz | Mar 09 14:15 |
| schestowitz | "Did you or did you not know that PROGRA~1 was an INNOVA~1?" asked Your Honour | Mar 09 14:15 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: OK | Mar 09 14:15 |
| oiaohm | If they have not processed your patent claim yet after 5 years has passed you have to start paying. | Mar 09 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Yep they do nothing and if you want the patent you have to pay. | Mar 09 14:16 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, that would solve the world's problems :-) | Mar 09 14:16 |
| oiaohm | We do not send out reminders for maintenance fee payments << Nasty one there too. | Mar 09 14:16 |
| oiaohm | You miss our maintenance fee you prior application become prior art nuking your next application. | Mar 09 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Yes Australia has one f the most evil patent systems in the world to work with. | Mar 09 14:17 |
| schestowitz | People lose real property (house, car) and these people worry about imaginary one. :-S | Mar 09 14:17 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/pate... | Mar 09 14:18 |
| oiaohm | There is anti dreamed up patents in Australian patent law. | Mar 09 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Item that you are patenting must exist in some form. If it don't you are stuffed so badly it not funny. | Mar 09 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Exist as in code? | Mar 09 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Implmentation? | Mar 09 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Or be a physical device of some sort? | Mar 09 14:21 |
| oiaohm | http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/pa... innovation class covers software max of 8 years. | Mar 09 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Standard device releated patent has 20 years. | Mar 09 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Research have shown this to be harmful to innovation | Mar 09 14:26 |
| schestowitz | It's also adverse to economic sense. | Mar 09 14:26 |
| schestowitz | I'm watching a FFII thread now with the subject: e: [Softwarepatents] Burn all swpat | Mar 09 14:26 |
| schestowitz | SW patents are all that Microsoft has left a few years down the line, revenue-wise | Mar 09 14:27 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: these pages are filled with solicitor propaganda language, e.g. "Innovation Patent" | Mar 09 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Innovation patent does not require patent search before granting. | Mar 09 14:28 |
| schestowitz | It's repeated many times (like hypnosis)...like saying "nice rich man"... "nice rich man"... "nice rich man" | Mar 09 14:28 |
| oiaohm | But if you need to enforce patent on someone you have to do the patent search before you can. | Mar 09 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Ie you cannot legally threaten someone with a innovation patent until the extra steps are done. | Mar 09 14:29 |
| oiaohm | If you do you void it. | Mar 09 14:29 |
| oiaohm | This is the difference between USA software patents and Australian ones. | Mar 09 14:30 |
| oiaohm | USA you can threat a person with them before a patent search and other confilting matterials search has been done. | Mar 09 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Aloso innovation patents are basically worthless. | Mar 09 14:33 |
| schestowitz | Excellent article from Groklaw: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php... | Mar 09 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | The US market keeps steady today | Mar 09 14:45 |
| schestowitz | I hope that PJ is back to posting to Groklaw on a regular basis. She has done a lot more than usual over the past week (News Picks included), but all her RSS feeds are eternally frozen. | Mar 09 14:55 |
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| schestowitz | I hear of more new trouble from IDC/IDG. | Mar 09 15:08 |
| schestowitz | They annoy their clients now. I hear the same about their conferences, e.g. LinuxWorld. You will hopefully forgive me for not being their fan. http://www.google.com/search?q=site:b... | Mar 09 15:09 |
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| balzac_ | ttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/07/suse-is-slowing-down/ | Mar 09 15:31 |
| balzac_ | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/... | Mar 09 15:31 |
| balzac_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDiR7UxI8Ow | Mar 09 15:32 |
| schestowitz | SUSE is uploading. | Mar 09 15:41 |
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| Balrog | suse...uploading???? | Mar 09 16:34 |
| schestowitz | See the video and the BN link | Mar 09 16:35 |
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| Hmph, it seems that Google made a mistake. The 52 week low for M$FT is 14.87 not the 13.31 they published last Friday, unless today's value is mistaken. | Mar 09 17:12 | |
| The day is young, they might get there today. | Mar 09 17:13 | |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I noticed that. | Mar 09 17:33 |
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| toros | hi | Mar 09 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Hi, toros | Mar 09 17:48 |
| schestowitz | I am reasonably happy with this current version < http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.p... > which addresses all the requests from the viewers. There is room for improvement, but I thought you might want to read through it first. We need them as text with cross-linkage at some stage. | Mar 09 18:02 |
| toros | today I argued a little with a Novell-employee :) | Mar 09 18:03 |
| toros | because of my article about opensuse | Mar 09 18:03 |
| toros | he didn't like it... ;) | Mar 09 18:03 |
| Balrog | toros: url? | Mar 09 18:03 |
| toros | It's in Hungarian | Mar 09 18:04 |
| Balrog | oh. :/ | Mar 09 18:04 |
| toros | but here is it: http://mogorvamormota.hu/2009/03/0... | Mar 09 18:04 |
| toros | you can check the links | Mar 09 18:05 |
| toros | the linked pages are all in english, so you can figure out, what is it about... | Mar 09 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Oh Oh. Scottish hospitals laid low by malware infection < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/09... > | Mar 09 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Windows is going totally out of control. | Mar 09 18:09 |
| schestowitz | And it's killing people. | Mar 09 18:09 |
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| tessier_ | Why are we not getting better mileage out of anti-Windows security FUD? | Mar 09 18:13 |
| tessier_ | Just this morning I got a spam email and two spam IM's from different friends who were infected by malware. | Mar 09 18:13 |
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| because WE and other PR people police the press. It's not a W32 virus it's a "computer" virus, all OS are equal, etc, etc. | Mar 09 18:14 | |
| Advertising money goes a long way | Mar 09 18:14 | |
| Reality is obvious to anyone who bothers to try anything but Winblows. | Mar 09 18:14 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's legalised corruption (lobââ¬Åbying) disguised as "innovation": http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/m... | Mar 09 18:15 |
| The OEM lock hurts too. "If free software was really so wonderful, OEMs would sell and recommend it." ha. | Mar 09 18:15 | |
| schestowitz | tessier: tell them it's worse than they are told. In April 2008 I read that 40% of the PCs (Windows) are infected | Mar 09 18:15 |
| All Windows PCs are infected. | Mar 09 18:16 | |
| schestowitz | Not all. | Mar 09 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Some are not connected to the Net ;-) | Mar 09 18:16 |
| They run Windows, don't they? | Mar 09 18:16 | |
| It is malware on it's own. | Mar 09 18:17 | |
| toros | Windows is not a malware, it's more like a weapon... | Mar 09 18:17 |
| toros | controlling the PCs is like controlling the world | Mar 09 18:17 |
| Practically, you can't tell if any given Windows computer is infected or just suffering from the usual performance issues, so you might as well assume it is infected. | Mar 09 18:18 | |
| schestowitz | Yahoo has this WarrenB interview | Mar 09 18:18 |
| schestowitz | The public looting takes its toll | Mar 09 18:18 |
| schestowitz | The business community protests as well. | Mar 09 18:18 |
| schestowitz | It's like a rich man trying to throw the contents of his wallet at the fire, hoping it'll extinguish it. | Mar 09 18:19 |
| Yes, too late they realize that their assets are valueless outside of a cooperative society. | Mar 09 18:19 | |
| schestowitz | It's an agonising thing to watch | Mar 09 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | Obama or McCain, whoever was to be elected was in serious mud | Mar 09 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Had Obama not approved, he's be burned at the stake for causing the Greatest Depressiin | Mar 09 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Not he's just buying time and making it worse. | Mar 09 18:19 |
| schestowitz | So he'll be slammed later | Mar 09 18:19 |
| schestowitz | I saw it on TV that they blackmailed senators or whatever into signing to approve the looting (stimulus) | Mar 09 18:20 |
| There's not much that can be done. Imaginary assets have concentrated wealth. Savings are gone and the wealthy will fall with everyone else. | Mar 09 18:20 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: Windows is not malware (I think), but for a fact it is spyware, by defintion | Mar 09 18:20 |
| GWB threatened martial law if people did not sign. | Mar 09 18:20 | |
| schestowitz | This behaviour cannot even be disabled | Mar 09 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Once it's installed on a connected PC, mother ship owns your binaries | Mar 09 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Forget about changing this or blocking it | Mar 09 18:21 |
| Windows is malware because it does things against the user's will and restricts what the user can do. | Mar 09 18:21 | |
| schestowitz | It's alll in the EULA by the way. They can do anything they want to your h/w | Mar 09 18:21 |
| MinceR | (offtopic) http://www.penny-arcade.com/c... | Mar 09 18:21 |
| This is true even if you are not connected to the net. | Mar 09 18:21 | |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 09 18:22 |
| All non free software violates your ability to do what you want with your computer and it does so by design. | Mar 09 18:22 | |
| MinceR | that's to a different degree than in the case of winblows, though | Mar 09 18:23 |
| schestowitz | "Works with the shelves you have at home" | Mar 09 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Telemarketing comes to mind.. | Mar 09 18:23 |
| the other degrees of violation are the goal of non free software. | Mar 09 18:23 | |
| another benefit of "Book" - public libraries. People can pool their money and share books, how cool is that? | Mar 09 18:24 | |
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| schestowitz | "Scottish hospitals laid low by malware infection - http://is.gd/myju now, what on earth could the operating system be there? " http://twitter.com/glynmoody/sta... | Mar 09 18:24 |
| They index them by subject and author, much like Napster did, and it's all legal and society approves of it! | Mar 09 18:24 | |
| schestowitz | Did The Register not state this was Windows??? | Mar 09 18:25 |
| schestowitz | An L of a recession – reform is the way out < http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2... > | Mar 09 18:26 |
| looking at Register article, "no match for Windows" | Mar 09 18:26 | |
| schestowitz | "The US is dragging its feet over the financial sector. The European Union is doing the same, as well as failing to adopt policies that could shield it from an increasingly probable speculative attack. And judging by the state of preparations, the forthcoming Group of 20 summit is going to be a disaster." | Mar 09 18:26 |
| "Conficker worm" mentioned, not Microsoft or Windows. | Mar 09 18:27 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: The Register signed some deal with Microsoft some years ago | Mar 09 18:27 |
| schestowitz | A friend tells me that The Register was /very/ different prior to it. | Mar 09 18:27 |
| the name makes the article look technical, without providing information. | Mar 09 18:27 | |
| schestowitz | I only started reading The Register around 2004 or 2005, so I don't know. | Mar 09 18:27 |
| Yes, the Register is no longer "biting the hand that feeds IT" | Mar 09 18:27 | |
| schestowitz | Exactly. | Mar 09 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Same with IDG | Mar 09 18:27 |
| schestowitz | I heard bad things today | Mar 09 18:28 |
| schestowitz | A friend of mine works with them | Mar 09 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Some weeks ago IDG also sacked some FOSS editors | Mar 09 18:28 |
| schestowitz | In an ugly fashion for all I can tell | Mar 09 18:28 |
| schestowitz | I heard bad things about how they treat people when organising expos like LinuxWorld | Mar 09 18:28 |
| Register has even declined since 2005, look at this as an example http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/... | Mar 09 18:28 | |
| schestowitz | IDG is IDC... | Mar 09 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Needless to day, IDC and Microsoft are chums | Mar 09 18:29 |
| they used to have balls. | Mar 09 18:29 | |
| schestowitz | Comes brings lots more smoking guns. | Mar 09 18:29 |
| Now they are like any other part of the Wintel press. | Mar 09 18:29 | |
| schestowitz | Ashlee Vance left them | Mar 09 18:29 |
| schestowitz | He covered FOSS | Mar 09 18:29 |
| schestowitz | He's with the NYT now | Mar 09 18:29 |
| schestowitz | They have some writers in the Register now who are friends of Microsoft | Mar 09 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Tim Prichard (??spelling) is pro-UNIX and Linux though | Mar 09 18:30 |
| schestowitz | They seem to have hired him at the end of last year | Mar 09 18:30 |
| Looking at The Herald source article for Scottish Hospital Windows problems, no mention of microsoft or windows | Mar 09 18:30 | |
| schestowitz | Lisa left them on the face of it | Mar 09 18:30 |
| schestowitz | She covered lots of FOSS stuff | Mar 09 18:30 |
| I hardly ever bother with the Register anymore. | Mar 09 18:31 | |
| schestowitz | Gavin Clarke pisses off FOSS people. He's a friend of Mary Jo Foley now and he's provoking | Mar 09 18:31 |
| You collect better news at BN. | Mar 09 18:31 | |
| schestowitz | The Inquirer is OK | Mar 09 18:31 |
| schestowitz | But Charlie doesn't write much anymore | Mar 09 18:31 |
| schestowitz | They provoke Linux and Apple people | Mar 09 18:32 |
| *kentma has quit ("Leaving.") | Mar 09 18:32 | |
| schestowitz | Especially Nick, the editor | Mar 09 18:32 |
| The one in 100 articles that either the Register or Inquirer writes will find it's way into BN. | Mar 09 18:32 | |
| schestowitz | The foudner of the Register and Inquirer retired from both over a year ago | Mar 09 18:32 |
| It shows | Mar 09 18:32 | |
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| schestowitz | Criminals don't self-register: Survey: Lobbyists reluctant to sign up to register < http://www.euractiv.com/en/pa/survey... > | Mar 09 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Can they be sent to exile instead? | Mar 09 18:34 |
| Looking at the Slashdot Firehose, I see our friend David Gerard and I are doing well with the M$ Iceland story. http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=3676189 and http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?o... | Mar 09 18:36 | |
| I like my story better, of course. | Mar 09 18:36 | |
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| Shorter, to the point and gets the global picture in at the same time. Just the same, I'll be happy if any link hits the front page. | Mar 09 18:37 | |
| schestowitz | I hope it makes it in. | Mar 09 18:38 |
| schestowitz | I checked it this morning. | Mar 09 18:38 |
| schestowitz | The hard language ('hard') makes it hard to enter /,. | Mar 09 18:38 |
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| Yeah, I emailed a software guy in Iceland but he was unaware of the issue. | Mar 09 18:40 | |
| I'd have liked to find a better article. I'll look some more now. :) | Mar 09 18:41 | |
| schestowitz | There are three Microsoft shills who seem likely to 'pull a marbux on OASIS': Alex Brown <alexb@griffinbrown.co.uk>; Jesper Lund Stocholm <4a4553504552@gmail.com>; rjelliffe@allette.com.au . I've seen very little evidence so far, but marbux keeps track of jelliffe. Add Microsoft's Doug (the one who pretty much defrauded Malaysia) to this list... | Mar 09 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will try to throw the table on a Microsoft/Office-independent file format | Mar 09 18:42 |
| schestowitz | It's a matter of life or death to Microsoft and those cronies who bet their career on it, so let's keep our eyes open | Mar 09 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Signs of change coming from India amid deep recession: A request to sign the FOSS Manifesto < http://osindia.blogspot.com/2009/03/re... > | Mar 09 18:43 |
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| Ugh, " There was an upside to the financial crisis. The experience of Iceland had “focused the mind somewhat” on the fact that it was better for Ireland to be at the heart of the European Union rather than the margins. A majority of Irish voters might now vote ‘Yes’ in a second referendum on the controversial Lisbon Treaty on greater EU efficiency that they rejected last year, much to the embarrassment of the government." | Mar 09 18:46 | |
| http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/ireland/... | Mar 09 18:47 | |
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| schestowitz | Lisbon treaty is a sham. | Mar 09 18:50 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/0... | Mar 09 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Careful what press you read, twitter | Mar 09 18:50 |
| trmanco | lisbon? | Mar 09 18:51 |
| schestowitz | It could represent elite interests: http://www.globalpost.com/mission-statement | Mar 09 18:51 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, Error establishing a database connection | Mar 09 18:51 |
| trmanco | oops | Mar 09 18:51 |
| schestowitz | :-o | Mar 09 18:51 |
| trmanco | I didn't mean to break it | Mar 09 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Refresh | Mar 09 18:51 |
| trmanco | it is working again | Mar 09 18:51 |
| schestowitz | We still get some hiccups | Mar 09 18:51 |
| schestowitz | This loses some readership, so doesn't get the message across. | Mar 09 18:52 |
| trmanco | oh, that lisbon | Mar 09 18:52 |
| Yes, I've heard bad things about Lisbond treaty, that's why I shared the link. | Mar 09 18:52 | |
| Here's an advertiser's view of the M$/Razorfish fiasco http://www.tribbleagency.com/?p=4279 | Mar 09 18:53 | |
| schestowitz | Priceless: Microsoft is not so sure that XP will beat Vista7 (with a 3-processes limit): http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595... | Mar 09 18:54 |
| schestowitz | GNU/Linux is _so_influencing this market | Mar 09 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft not only pressures OEMs there but it also gives Windows _away_... virtually for free | Mar 09 18:54 |
| schestowitz | twitter: word of the street is that MS will sell Razorfish | Mar 09 18:55 |
| schestowitz | They went the wrong way | Mar 09 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft could use the cash | Mar 09 18:55 |
| schestowitz | The acuisition didn't work out | Mar 09 18:55 |
| schestowitz | The CEO of Aqantine (spelling!) quite MS some months ago | Mar 09 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Razorfish moved to Apache (from IIS) | Mar 09 18:56 |
| schestowitz | And it loses employees rapidly | Mar 09 18:56 |
| Another Vista failure, http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz... | Mar 09 18:56 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: I think he updated this post | Mar 09 18:56 |
| schestowitz | He didn't have the HTTP header the last time, IIRC | Mar 09 18:57 |
| schestowitz | I could be wrong | Mar 09 18:57 |
| schestowitz | But he saw the BN post where trmanco did his analysis. | Mar 09 18:57 |
| $1B DRAM maker files for bankruptcy after computer makers stocked up for Vista sales that never came. | Mar 09 18:57 | |
| schestowitz | Here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/19... | Mar 09 18:57 |
| schestowitz | trmanco did his 'examination' | Mar 09 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Wow. That's a big Vista no-no | Mar 09 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Show me your Wow. "Wow, CompUSA went bankrupt trying to sell Vista.." | Mar 09 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: any protests where you live? I saw photos the other day (from Atlanta though, IIRC)? | Mar 09 19:04 |
| Wow, Circuit City, Wow DSG, Wow every OEM, vendor and retailer who cooperated with M$'s plans to thwart user demand has suffered. | Mar 09 19:05 | |
| Have not looked for protests. | Mar 09 19:05 | |
| Did not know about Atlanta | Mar 09 19:05 | |
| schestowitz | The question is, when does it become unbearable to change legislation | Mar 09 19:05 |
| schestowitz | I read that in the US there is apathy | Mar 09 19:05 |
| schestowitz | In France they already take it to the streets | Mar 09 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Europe is considered very open in that regard | Mar 09 19:06 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if US reluctance to organise is imposed by fear | Mar 09 19:06 |
| Much fear. | Mar 09 19:06 | |
| schestowitz | Really? | Mar 09 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Of what? | Mar 09 19:06 |
| But fear washes away when you lose your house. | Mar 09 19:06 | |
| Fear of losing your job. | Mar 09 19:06 | |
| schestowitz | I read about protesters being flagged "terrorists" | Mar 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Even pro-peace protesters/activists | Mar 09 19:07 |
| Yes, but that too is washing away as the magnitude of the meltdown becomes obvious. | Mar 09 19:07 | |
| schestowitz | This means that they can be locked up without much evidence or warrant, no? | Mar 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Technically anyway] | Mar 09 19:07 |
| Protesters were locked up at the Dem and Republican conventions ... before the protests | Mar 09 19:07 | |
| Change is in the air. | Mar 09 19:08 | |
| schestowitz | Obama must withdraw these laws ASAP | Mar 09 19:08 |
| schestowitz | I doubt he has time | Mar 09 19:08 |
| schestowitz | The priorities changed | Mar 09 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Locking Bush and Cheney up is the last thing on their mind | Mar 09 19:08 |
| Obama is defending wiretaps and other basic violations. | Mar 09 19:08 | |
| schestowitz | Let alone a tedious process of changing laws | Mar 09 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Restoring laws rather! | Mar 09 19:08 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Mar 09 19:08 |
| I've heard of protests in Boston and squatters in Miami. | Mar 09 19:09 | |
| schestowitz | This could really bite later on when people want to voice their disagreement | Mar 09 19:09 |
| They protest foreclosures | Mar 09 19:09 | |
| schestowitz | Boston would make sense. | Mar 09 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Miami is a surprise | Mar 09 19:09 |
| schestowitz | I have family there, too. | Mar 09 19:09 |
| schestowitz | I hear it's pretty rough | Mar 09 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Pensioners too lose their lifeline | Mar 09 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Roblimo.. | Mar 09 19:10 |
| It's not so much of a protest in Miami as it is an organized move to put people in houses that sit empty. | Mar 09 19:10 | |
| schestowitz | Boston has always been very liberal | Mar 09 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Home of GNU as well.. | Mar 09 19:10 |
| neighborlee | well id not count obama out quite yet,afterall stem cell resarch is offically back online ;) | Mar 09 19:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.electronicsweekly.com/products/2009... | Mar 09 19:11 |
| schestowitz | ââââââ¬(19:11 $)âââ¬> ping stem research | Mar 09 19:11 |
| schestowitz | ping: unknown host stem | Mar 09 19:11 |
| Obama is ending the Iraq war and doing a few other good things, but his justice department is toeing the bush line on wiretaps. | Mar 09 19:11 | |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: it's offline | Mar 09 19:11 |
| neighborlee | ? | Mar 09 19:11 |
| neighborlee | I just watched him sign a new bill into law ;) | Mar 09 19:12 |
| schestowitz | twitter: he's not ending it | Mar 09 19:12 |
| neighborlee | reversing bush admin laws,, | Mar 09 19:12 |
| schestowitz | It's pretense. | Mar 09 19:12 |
| schestowitz | They just move people about | Mar 09 19:12 |
| schestowitz | PR | Mar 09 19:12 |
| neighborlee | time will tell ? ;) | Mar 09 19:12 |
| schestowitz | They also increase presence in other colonies where they don't belong | Mar 09 19:12 |
| well, gotta go for a while. keep up the good work! | Mar 09 19:12 | |
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| schestowitz | Wanna see why USPTO is kaput? Read this: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi... | Mar 09 19:16 |
| DontTaseMeBro | yo | Mar 09 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Yo, what's up? | Mar 09 19:17 |
| DontTaseMeBro | just chillin | Mar 09 19:18 |
| PetoKraus | wait | Mar 09 19:18 |
| PetoKraus | is that patent for making someone annoying quiet? | Mar 09 19:18 |
| schestowitz | "distraction-free meeting event" | Mar 09 19:19 |
| PetoKraus | i've got prior art | Mar 09 19:19 |
| schestowitz | I think I saw it in /. yesterday | Mar 09 19:19 |
| schestowitz | theop submitted it | Mar 09 19:19 |
| PetoKraus | i shouted "shut up you miserable piece of shit" at a classmate | Mar 09 19:19 |
| PetoKraus | and the lecture was indeed distraction-free afterwards | Mar 09 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Did you get ...wlel... | Mar 09 19:19 |
| PetoKraus | wlel? | Mar 09 19:20 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: Same with this guy: http://www.egg-attack.com/ | Mar 09 19:20 |
| schestowitz | *well | Mar 09 19:20 |
| PetoKraus | yeah | Mar 09 19:20 |
| PetoKraus | :D | Mar 09 19:20 |
| schestowitz | He made them all quiet | Mar 09 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Just the sound of eggs slattering | Mar 09 19:20 |
| schestowitz | *splattering | Mar 09 19:20 |
| PetoKraus | he was the only person on-topic in the whole hall though | Mar 09 19:21 |
| PetoKraus | they had to remove him so he's not distracted | Mar 09 19:21 |
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| Wojciech | hello | Mar 09 19:25 |
| Wojciech | I have one question about translation of your article i.d http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/... | Mar 09 19:25 |
| Wojciech | can I translate it into Polish and publish it on popular Polish linux portal? | Mar 09 19:26 |
| trmanco | ping schestowitz | Mar 09 19:27 |
| schestowitz | ACK | Mar 09 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Hi, Wojciech | Mar 09 19:27 |
| Wojciech | hi | Mar 09 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Yes, of course you can | Mar 09 19:27 |
| Wojciech | thank you very much | Mar 09 19:27 |
| schestowitz | I'm pretty much treating lots of the site as GPL (the text) | Mar 09 19:27 |
| schestowitz | A link back would be nice, but not needed | Mar 09 19:27 |
| Wojciech | the portal is jakilinux.org | Mar 09 19:27 |
| schestowitz | I know the site | Mar 09 19:28 |
| schestowitz | I think I linked to it before | Mar 09 19:28 |
| Wojciech | of course I will mention you as the author | Mar 09 19:28 |
| Wojciech | :) | Mar 09 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Cool, thanls. | Mar 09 19:28 |
| schestowitz | *ks | Mar 09 19:28 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: who, the egg thrower? | Mar 09 19:28 |
| schestowitz | It's like Russian journalist. You have to focus on good news. | Mar 09 19:29 |
| schestowitz | *journalism | Mar 09 19:29 |
| Wojciech | bye, thanks :D | Mar 09 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Speaking of which, someone from the gym though I was Slovak yesterday,. | Mar 09 19:29 |
| schestowitz | No idea why. I didn't ask. | Mar 09 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | Looking like Dream Linux improved a lot since 2.2: Dream Linux 3.5 - Results and Summary < http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,100... > | Mar 09 19:30 |
| trmanco | I gave a peak today at the wine appdb website (code) | Mar 09 19:32 |
| PetoKraus | schestowitz: did he see your surname? | Mar 09 19:33 |
| PetoKraus | and where are you at? aren't you in manchaster? | Mar 09 19:33 |
| MinceR | another ballnux advertisement on /. >> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?... | Mar 09 19:34 |
| MinceR | (it's owned by xandros) | Mar 09 19:34 |
