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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: thanks for mentioning us < http://arun-sag.blogspot.com/2009/... > | Mar 17 17:07 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: :-) | Mar 17 17:07 |
| zer0c00l | no problem | Mar 17 17:07 |
| Balrog | iPhone 3.0 now has a standard system for finding other devices in the same area - no WiFi network needed. Automatic discovery performed over Bluetooth. No pairing. | Mar 17 17:08 |
| Balrog | <<quote | Mar 17 17:08 |
| Balrog | hopefully that quiets the bluetooth whiners | Mar 17 17:08 |
| Balrog | iPhone OS 3.0 can talk directly to an accessory. | Mar 17 17:10 |
| Balrog | << quote | Mar 17 17:10 |
| Balrog | keyboards maybe??? | Mar 17 17:10 |
| Balrog | Also enabling some of this over Bluetooth. "We support all the standard built-in protocols." | Mar 17 17:11 |
| Balrog | << quote | Mar 17 17:11 |
| Balrog | FINALLY | Mar 17 17:11 |
| Balrog | looks like the iBluetooth project got them moving :P | Mar 17 17:12 |
| Balrog | "We're taking the heart of the Maps application and making it a public API so developers can embed that map in their apps." | Mar 17 17:13 |
| Balrog | << quote | Mar 17 17:13 |
| Balrog | turn-by-turn apps allowed now | Mar 17 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat "defensive" patent has chilling effect < http://www.h-online.com/open/Red-Hat... > | Mar 17 17:14 |
| Balrog | So I hear. (about redhat) | Mar 17 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: but why promote this proprietary phone? | Mar 17 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Apple already spends $0.3 billion/annum deceiving the public | Mar 17 17:15 |
| schestowitz | You don't need to help them | Mar 17 17:15 |
| Balrog | advertising isn't necessarily deceiving | Mar 17 17:16 |
| Balrog | it often is, but not always | Mar 17 17:16 |
| schestowitz | ext4 vs fsync, my take < http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2009/0... > | Mar 17 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, harrytuttle | Mar 17 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: it is | Mar 17 17:21 |
| schestowitz | By definition | Mar 17 17:21 |
| schestowitz | PR anyway | Mar 17 17:22 |
| Balrog | you can have honest advertising | Mar 17 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Example...? | Mar 17 17:23 |
| harrytuttle | hello everyone | Mar 17 17:23 |
| harrytuttle | what about this censorship? | Mar 17 17:24 |
| harrytuttle | http://www.itexaminer.com/austral... | Mar 17 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Too much for them | Mar 17 17:24 |
| harrytuttle | i know it has been discussed on slashdot | Mar 17 17:24 |
| schestowitz | They can't cope with realise, so need to impose illusions | Mar 17 17:24 |
| schestowitz | The Internet gets in their way. Too open... | Mar 17 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Discouraging Software Patent Lawsuits < http://www.press.redhat.com/2009/03... > | Mar 17 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | TechRadar Linux: Economic plight boosts Linux adoption < http://www.techradar.com/blogs/art... >. It's a shame that IDC is the source, though. | Mar 17 17:39 |
| schestowitz | A bit old but someone mailed me this: U.S. Food Reserves Tapped Out < http://cryptogon.com/?p=2716 > | Mar 17 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: Friend says that "ComputerWorld is loyal to the MS party line by parroting the 'high prices' mantra." http://www.computerworld.com/action/ar... . Gregg Keizer is no MS puppet, but I've shared many links about NPD, haven't I? | Mar 17 17:50 |
| schestowitz | "The reality is that Apple's tend to be comparable to similarly spec'ed Dells: 2006: http://www.applematters.com/article/is... 2007: http://machinist.salon.com/feature..." | Mar 17 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Logical step, no? Alan Schaeffer: Alliance for the Separation of School and State < http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2009/03/14... > | Mar 17 17:55 |
| Balrog | well, expect to pay for a fully-guaranteed server-class system. | Mar 17 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Your money @ 'work: Basket Case Insurer Gets $170 Billion from Taxpayers, Still Pays Huge Bonuses < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/... > | Mar 17 17:55 |
| schestowitz | "What *is* different is that the hot sellers, the macbooks and macbook pros, have come burdened with DRM: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/200... It seems that either the management at Apple was steamrolled by MS, or else they forgot the demographics keeping them in business. I know I ain't getting one till the DRM is gone." | Mar 17 17:56 |
| Balrog | HDCP wan known there for a while. | Mar 17 17:57 |
| Balrog | NO other way to get bluray support 'legally' (note the quotes) | Mar 17 17:57 |
| Balrog | yes, there's copy-paste in iphone OS 3.0 | Mar 17 17:58 |
| Balrog | global. | Mar 17 17:58 |
| schestowitz | New iPods have DRM on the headphone interface -- UPDATED < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/03/13/ne... > | Mar 17 17:58 |
| schestowitz | "Update: We did a quick test in the gadget dungeon: existing inline headphone control adapters for the iPhone and other iPods won't work in the new Shuffle. -- Rob. " | Mar 17 17:59 |
| Balrog | let's just wait and see. | Mar 17 17:59 |
| schestowitz | "Update 2: We took one apart and found a mysterious chip inside the new Shuffle's headphones. Have no idea if it's DRM or not -- Rob. " | Mar 17 17:59 |
| Balrog | That doesn't tell me anything about the protocol | Mar 17 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Bono Blasts Illegal Downloading < http://www.antimusic.com/news/09/march/16... > Fair enough, but who needs his music anyway? | Mar 17 18:01 |
| schestowitz | "The Internet and file-sharing networks like BitTorrent have shifted music promotion from the labels to the people. Increasingly, record labels are losing control over what music the masses are listening to, and according to some musicians this is is actually a good thing." http://torrentfreak.com/bittorre... | Mar 17 18:02 |
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| schestowitz | Here's a good video: How British cops are criminalising peaceful protest < http://www.boingboing.net/20... > | Mar 17 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: iPod headphones aren€´t DRMed, just controlled by a proprietary chip that you have to license < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/03/16... > | Mar 17 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Guns N' Roses Leaker Faces 6 Months In Prison < http://www.businessinsider.com/guns-n-r... >. But inside-traders like Robert Bach stay out of jail? | Mar 17 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | Last year the LF paid IDC to conduct some 'study' and this time it's Novell and LF staff promotes it too: http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standards... They should instead just acknowledge that IDC is a shill-for-hire and stop feeding it. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0... | Mar 17 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Darren Waters of the MSBBS is advertising Microsoft for free again. *sigh* | Mar 17 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | Nokia to fire 1,700 staff < http://www.theregister.co.uk/200... > | Mar 17 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Nokia supported Microsoft DRM. | Mar 17 18:23 |
| schestowitz | "Waite, who since his release in 1991 has become a human rights and police campaigner, argues that the US military should thank McKinnon for exposing security holes in its systems." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... | Mar 17 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Sam nails IDC and Novell: http://www.itwire.com/content... | Mar 17 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft vapourware (5k lines of code) leads to silly sensationalist headlines: Will IE8 Be Microsoft's Last Explorer? < http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstor... > | Mar 17 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Choromium on GNU/Linux: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/200... Almost there yet? | Mar 17 18:48 |
| schestowitz | "Without being told that it’s Linux, you’d never know it.)" http://the-gadgeteer.com/2009/03... | Mar 17 18:49 |
| schestowitz | healthy adoption of GNU/Linux in South Africa: http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=4366 | Mar 17 18:50 |
| schestowitz | BBC Botnet 'Reckless,' May Inspire Copycats < http://www.pcworld.com/art... >. Why is it OK for BBC and not McKinnon? | Mar 17 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Reminder of the need to scrub off personal information: Leaked Comcast User Data Found Online < http://www.pcworld.com/art... > | Mar 17 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Signs of lobbying in new US Admin: Obama and HCAN Marginalize Single Payer Health Care < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8272 > | Mar 17 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu/Canonical makes it easier to move away from brown/orangce: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ub... | Mar 17 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | "PJ: The MSPL is incompatible with the GPL. Natch." Good to know. | Mar 17 19:06 |
| schestowitz | @brunomiguel: the MSPL is a licence... to kill the GPL. Microsoft hopes to pollute the pool of FOSS and exclude the 4 freedoms | Mar 17 19:13 |
| balzac | Bill Gates can't stand GNU | Mar 17 19:16 |
| balzac | Bill Gates fears one man and one man only - Richard Mathew Stallman | Mar 17 19:16 |
| schestowitz | "which we disagree with" (April 2008,, Gates" | Mar 17 19:16 |
| schestowitz | *", Gates) | Mar 17 19:16 |
| schestowitz | "Linux is a cult that captures the best-and-brightest kids." Jim Gray (Microsoft Research) | Mar 17 19:17 |
| balzac | Richard Matthew Stallman, the one man who can deflate Bill Gates' ego by toppling him from his kingly perch on top of the software mountain. | Mar 17 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Read the whole thing. Microsoft wants this "cult" too --> http://boycottnovell.com/w... | Mar 17 19:17 |
| schestowitz | "4. Open Source Software: The use of open source keeps growing. It is not just about Linux. There are software packages available for just about every corporate need. The cost savings can be dramatic when you make smart choices." http://www.indusbusinessjournal.com/ME2/dirm... | Mar 17 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft again: "While this is incompatible with the GPL, it's still a good licence, just with weaker copyleft provisions. " http://community.zdnet.co.uk/b... | Mar 17 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: Microsoft is sort of bribing Indian officials now: http://www.expressindia.com/la... | Mar 17 19:31 |
| zer0c00l | thats bad | Mar 17 19:31 |
| balzac | schestowitz: that's funny how they're deliberately setting about to use cult-like psychology | Mar 17 19:31 |
| schestowitz | "Incidentally, the government had also signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with software giant Microsoft to set up institutes for training teachers in IT. But the government is not clear as to how teachers trained in Microsoft products will be able to teach students in schools, which will use open source software. " | Mar 17 19:32 |
| schestowitz | MOU=project Marshall | Mar 17 19:32 |
| balzac | RMS is only joking around with his "Church of Emacs" | Mar 17 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Search BN | Mar 17 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Make a complaint | Mar 17 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Some cronies receive dumping offers to derail decisions and directions from IT | Mar 17 19:32 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: the same party's prime ministerial candidate L.K advani published IT vison which cares about foss, but it seems like microsoft has definitely bribed officials in politics | Mar 17 19:37 |
| zer0c00l | its just a u-turn | Mar 17 19:37 |
| zer0c00l | conflict of interest between IT-department and Education department | Mar 17 19:37 |
| zer0c00l | NIIT is microsofts puppet | Mar 17 19:38 |
| zer0c00l | these politicians dont know a heck about FOSS | Mar 17 19:42 |
| zer0c00l | if some thing gives them money and publicity they go beyond it | Mar 17 19:42 |
| schestowitz | MSZNET is already spreading some negatives thing about it : Class war and open source < http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-s... > | Mar 17 19:42 |
| zer0c00l | MOU with M$ is publicity also behind there's lot of money involved :D | Mar 17 19:43 |
| zer0c00l | so double mango with single stone :P | Mar 17 19:43 |
| zer0c00l | *behind | Mar 17 19:44 |
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| schestowitz | "The UK's first national conference on open source software in local government is taking place on 1st April 2009 in Manchester." http://www.24dash.com/news/Local_... | Mar 17 19:47 |
| schestowitz | It's predatory pricing | Mar 17 19:48 |
| schestowitz | See EDGI memos on MOu | Mar 17 19:48 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: I found more | Mar 17 19:54 |
| schestowitz | http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/... | Mar 17 19:54 |
| schestowitz | I'll seam it together and come up with some remark | Mar 17 19:54 |
| zer0c00l | yeah | Mar 17 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Someone from Portugal has just told me that one of the big bosses from MS Portugal 'shot' at him. | Mar 17 19:55 |
| zer0c00l | shot? | Mar 17 19:55 |
| schestowitz | These incidents get common | Mar 17 19:55 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, who? | Mar 17 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Well, I'll write about it later | Mar 17 19:55 |
| schestowitz | "shot back" rather, I think | Mar 17 19:56 |
| schestowitz | MS just can't keep its big mouth shut anymore | Mar 17 19:56 |
| schestowitz | I heard from another whose national MS CEO tried to get him sacked | Mar 17 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Cornered animals and all :-) | Mar 17 19:56 |
| zer0c00l | what the heck is this http://economictimes.indiatimes... | Mar 17 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is on FIRE :-) | Mar 17 19:56 |
| schestowitz | BizSPARK | Mar 17 19:56 |
| zer0c00l | yeah | Mar 17 19:56 |
| zer0c00l | :( | Mar 17 19:56 |
| schestowitz | DreamSPARK | Mar 17 19:56 |
| zer0c00l | :D | Mar 17 19:56 |
| schestowitz | BURN the competition | Mar 17 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Spark em! | Mar 17 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Spark em! | Mar 17 19:57 |
| zer0c00l | LOL | Mar 17 19:57 |
| zer0c00l | :D | Mar 17 19:57 |
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| trmanco | I wonder why nobody is replying to me anymore | Mar 17 19:59 |
| trmanco | ... | Mar 17 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: me neither, almost | Mar 17 20:01 |
| trmanco | almost? | Mar 17 20:02 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: http://www.mixx.com/photos/4182407/in... | Mar 17 20:03 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I post there what I post in IRC most of the time. | Mar 17 20:03 |
| zer0c00l | see wotes | Mar 17 20:03 |
| zer0c00l | 4? | Mar 17 20:03 |
| schestowitz | I hope people share the information; if it's read, replies don't matter much. | Mar 17 20:03 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: yes, I don't know that site, but it's not like Digg | Mar 17 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Same with FSDaily | Mar 17 20:04 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, I'm talking in general | Mar 17 20:04 |
| schestowitz | There are some BN fans there who link sometimes | Mar 17 20:04 |
| trmanco | in COLA for example | Mar 17 20:04 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: where? | Mar 17 20:04 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: maybe the killfiles are set? ;-) | Mar 17 20:05 |
| zer0c00l | i am preparing mail on that links you gave to post them in Linux user groups | Mar 17 20:05 |
| trmanco | maybe it's the newserver | Mar 17 20:05 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, I mean, people like Terry don't have me killfilled, I think | Mar 17 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Blech: http://tirania.org/blog/arc... | Mar 17 20:06 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: no, I mean the trolls try to ruin the group | Mar 17 20:07 |
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| schestowitz | Replying with insults | Mar 17 20:07 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: thanks | Mar 17 20:07 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: you mean you might not receive all messages? | Mar 17 20:07 |
| zer0c00l | lol i stopped watching Winged creatures movie :P | Mar 17 20:07 |
| schestowitz | I use Google Groups sometimes, to check troll replies for example... get a sample | Mar 17 20:07 |
| zer0c00l | /me feels its a pretty serious movie | Mar 17 20:08 |
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| zer0c00l | :P | Mar 17 20:08 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, yes I do, but I'm have this feeling that advocates are not replying to me like they use too, maybe e need to post some advocacy like I did a couple of months ago | Mar 17 20:08 |
| trmanco | I ave* | Mar 17 20:09 |
| trmanco | have* | Mar 17 20:09 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: maybe so. Lots of the 'discussions' are trolls talking to trolls or troll feeders | Mar 17 20:11 |
| trmanco | yeah, I can see that too | Mar 17 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Replies are not indicative of readership. Troll blogs like Beranger of LinuxHaters get many replies becausse they aggravate | Mar 17 20:14 |
| schestowitz | In BN I know I do well when people don't reply much. They usually agree when they don'r reply or add much. Since I see my Web stats, I see there's no read/reply ratio | Mar 17 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Sometime I'd get 5 times more comments on a day when pageviews are only half. Strange, but true. | Mar 17 20:15 |
| trmanco | hehe | Mar 17 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Like the Wikipedia Jim Hugh post | Mar 17 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Or Mono stuff that gets the MS fanbois up the ceiling | Mar 17 20:15 |
| trmanco | pollen is killing me :| | Mar 17 20:16 |
| schestowitz | It has gotten hot here too. No pollen. | Mar 17 20:17 |
| trmanco | my car is all dirty and yellow (it's red) :-P | Mar 17 20:18 |
| trmanco | just in 2 days ... | Mar 17 20:18 |
| trmanco | http://www.ubuntuproductivity.com/journal... | Mar 17 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Gmail Outage Follows Google Docs Glitch < http://www.internetnews.com/software/article... > | Mar 17 20:25 |
| schestowitz | #0000ff? | Mar 17 20:25 |
| trmanco | http://news.softpedia.com/ne... | Mar 17 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Or #ff0000? | Mar 17 20:26 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, seen it | Mar 17 20:26 |
| trmanco | ah ok | Mar 17 20:26 |
| schestowitz | But the trolls will ask for people to change default, just like changing diapers | Mar 17 20:26 |
| schestowitz | They'll insist that GNOME is brown. Period. | Mar 17 20:26 |
| schestowitz | My 2 computers that have Ubuntu on them not only have no brown... they have KDE 3.5.9 | Mar 17 20:27 |
| trmanco | http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2009/0... | Mar 17 20:27 |
| trmanco | I don't get the trolls, they are use to having a blue desktop in which you can't change much | Mar 17 20:28 |
| trmanco | what do they have to say about that? | Mar 17 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Recommended: How to install Amarok 2 on Ubuntu 8.10 < http://monespaceperso.org/blog-en/200... > | Mar 17 20:31 |
| schestowitz | ext4 is not out yet | Mar 17 20:31 |
| trmanco | amarok is pretty advanced | Mar 17 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Not quite in preinstalled mode | Mar 17 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Some people experiment with it, which is GOOD | Mar 17 20:32 |
| trmanco | a used 1.x something, long time ago | Mar 17 20:32 |
| schestowitz | They find the bug before it's out there | Mar 17 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Unlike, say... WIndows Home Server | Mar 17 20:32 |
| trmanco | I will put ext4 on my data disc... | Mar 17 20:32 |
| schestowitz | kill your data... WITHOUT patch for like 8 months!! | Mar 17 20:32 |
| trmanco | just have to wait until April | Mar 17 20:32 |
| trmanco | that's minimum | Mar 17 20:32 |
| schestowitz | And they sell it as critically faulty.. killing DATA | Mar 17 20:32 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I still use 1.4 | Mar 17 20:33 |
| schestowitz | 2.0 looks nice, but I hardly view the plater | Mar 17 20:33 |
| schestowitz | *player | Mar 17 20:33 |
| trmanco | pff, alpha software, they sell alpha software to the public, and then they charge for it | Mar 17 20:33 |
| schestowitz | I mostly just use global accelerators and search. xmms gave me the same power. | Mar 17 20:34 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: they get no volunteers otherwise. Apple's the same. | Mar 17 20:34 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, I use Audacious for music now | Mar 17 20:34 |
| trmanco | complete rewrite of xmms | Mar 17 20:35 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.techrepublic.com... (How does Ubuntu's Upstart system initialization compare with runit?) | Mar 17 20:35 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: xmms is asleeep | Mar 17 20:35 |
| schestowitz | I watched my xmms mailbox the other day. Very empty and dead for 2 years | Mar 17 20:35 |
| schestowitz | xmms-devel | Mar 17 20:35 |
| trmanco | yeah, that's why Audacious had to come | Mar 17 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Goodbye XMMS, Hello Audacious? < http://commandline.org.uk/linux/g... > | Mar 17 20:36 |
| *schestowitz still has xmms at work | Mar 17 20:36 | |
| MinceR | the audacious devs kept whining because audacious is considered the successor to xmms :> | Mar 17 20:37 |
| trmanco | and it is | Mar 17 20:37 |
| MinceR | approximately back when this article was written :> | Mar 17 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Did you see the DaVinci video from the LF? | Mar 17 20:38 |
| schestowitz | He uses xmms :-) | Mar 17 20:39 |
| schestowitz | That video made Linux look very archaic. Let me find it | Mar 17 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBbYdKcULj0 | Mar 17 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it was submitted by Microsoft to make Linux look bad. ;-) | Mar 17 20:46 |
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| zer0c00l | DaVinci code video i hate it | Mar 17 20:54 |
| zer0c00l | why they made it into top 7? | Mar 17 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | Paul is still pimping Mono toyz: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/revi... | Mar 17 20:57 |
| schestowitz | ASUS became somewhat of a shill for Microsoft after their 'deals': ASUS Eee Top Fails With Linux < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?... > | Mar 17 21:02 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, I know who you were talking about | Mar 17 21:02 |
| trmanco | the portuguese person that got shot today by a ms employee | Mar 17 21:03 |
| trmanco | :D | Mar 17 21:03 |
| balzac | happy st paddy's day | Mar 17 21:04 |
| trmanco | oh right | Mar 17 21:05 |
| trmanco | we don't celebrate that here | Mar 17 21:05 |
| balzac | where? | Mar 17 21:05 |
| trmanco | in my country | Mar 17 21:05 |
| trmanco | lol | Mar 17 21:06 |
| trmanco | Balrog, I can almost get 0wN3d by Spain | Mar 17 21:06 |
| trmanco | crap | Mar 17 21:06 |
| zer0c00l | what is saint paddy's day :-) ? | Mar 17 21:06 |
| trmanco | balzac, I can almost get 0wN3d by Spain | Mar 17 21:06 |
| balzac | in your country, yes, that much was assumed, but which country? | Mar 17 21:07 |
| balzac | portugal | Mar 17 21:07 |
| *zer0c00l thinks this discussion could be made in #boycottnovell-social | Mar 17 21:07 | |
| trmanco | balzac, yes | Mar 17 21:07 |
| *trmanco zer0c00l has a good idea | Mar 17 21:07 | |
| balzac | This is a day for people of Irish descent to celebrate ourselves and god damn everyone else! | Mar 17 21:08 |
| balzac | jk, that was my personal twist on it | Mar 17 21:08 |
| schestowitz | The guys who loves to hate Boycott Novell has just quit Linux | Mar 17 21:09 |
| balzac | feel free to join ##bawd | Mar 17 21:09 |
| MinceR | there's a #boycottnovell-social? | Mar 17 21:09 |
| balzac | roy, who's that? | Mar 17 21:09 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, #boycottnovell-social might as well be used | Mar 17 21:10 |
| trmanco | MinceR, I don't think so but that may come true | Mar 17 21:10 |
| balzac | MinceR: it was made necessary by my inane, asinine ramblings... | Mar 17 21:10 |
| schestowitz | balzac: bill beebe | Mar 17 21:10 |
| schestowitz | the man who also dislikes groklaw on the face of it | Mar 17 21:10 |
| balzac | well, bill beebe deserves to suffer proprietary software if he can't stand freedom | Mar 17 21:11 |
| balzac | good riddance | Mar 17 21:11 |
| balzac | let him use windows millenium | Mar 17 21:12 |
| schestowitz | He said bad things about RMS too | Mar 17 21:13 |
| balzac | on an old gateway with a consumer-grade keyboard, with shopping, email, and help buttons linked to AOL | Mar 17 21:13 |
| schestowitz | But he's not a bad guy | Mar 17 21:13 |
| schestowitz | He knows Microsoft's crimes | Mar 17 21:13 |
| balzac | let him use AOL | Mar 17 21:13 |
| balzac | then forgive him not, for he knows what he does. | Mar 17 21:14 |
| balzac | let him suffer windows | Mar 17 21:14 |
| *zer0c00l gonna sleep | Mar 17 21:14 | |
| schestowitz | balzac: I'd rather he didn't switch | Mar 17 21:15 |
| schestowitz | He uses the Beranger 'model | Mar 17 21:15 |
| schestowitz | And PetoKraus says that Beranger too is going back to Linux, as I anticipated | Mar 17 21:16 |
| balzac | ic | Mar 17 21:16 |
| schestowitz | They can go to some whore called Billg, but they always come back to momma Linux. ;-) Oh, yeahhhh... j/k | Mar 17 21:16 |
| balzac | he's throwing a tantrum and practicing self-harm (using proprietary software) to get attention. | Mar 17 21:16 |
| schestowitz | He used opensuse | Mar 17 21:16 |
| schestowitz | So it can be used against them | Mar 17 21:17 |
| balzac | there's a pill for that behavior | Mar 17 21:17 |
| schestowitz | marcel had similar issues | Mar 17 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Linux Journal editor IIRC | Mar 17 21:17 |
| schestowitz | pill? | Mar 17 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Pill Bebbe? | Mar 17 21:17 |
| balzac | ecstasy, zanax, prozac ? | Mar 17 21:17 |
| balzac | xanax | Mar 17 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Yes, he knows... | Mar 17 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Hold on.... | Mar 17 21:18 |
| balzac | whatever works for them | Mar 17 21:18 |
| balzac | It's a build-up of angst which results in some form of acting out | Mar 17 21:18 |
| schestowitz | http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2008/... | Mar 17 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Since you mentioned pills | Mar 17 21:20 |
| schestowitz | PCLinuxOS 2009 Not Diggworthy < http://linux-blog.org/pclinuxo... > | Mar 17 21:20 |
| balzac | As the catch phrase from Mel Brooks' Dracula goes "Give him an enema!" | Mar 17 21:20 |
| schestowitz | No! | Mar 17 21:21 |
| balzac | he's jealous of your ego | Mar 17 21:21 |
| schestowitz | He's an OK guy | Mar 17 21:21 |
| schestowitz | No, he's not a bad guy | Mar 17 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Trust me, he wrote some good things | Mar 17 21:21 |
| balzac | have you seen that Mel Brooks movie? | Mar 17 21:21 |
| balzac | it's hilarious | Mar 17 21:21 |
| schestowitz | He didn't like the fact that I used his bad experiences with SUSE to criticise the project | Mar 17 21:22 |
| balzac | "Give him an enema!" - that was the doctors perscription for anyone. | Mar 17 21:22 |
| schestowitz | And PJ's blocklist on him... | Mar 17 21:22 |
| schestowitz | I was helping her with links for like 3 years | Mar 17 21:22 |
| balzac | well, regardless of that, he revealed his ego-envey | Mar 17 21:22 |
| schestowitz | and beebe is a no-go | Mar 17 21:22 |
| balzac | envy | Mar 17 21:22 |
| balzac | rather than building up his own ego, he wants to dismantle yours | Mar 17 21:22 |
| balzac | which is counter-productive | Mar 17 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Ask Pete Gutmann. | Mar 17 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Watch the picture here: http://doctormo.wordpress.com/... | Mar 17 21:24 |
| schestowitz | GNU crossed out | Mar 17 21:24 |
| schestowitz | "Thank you, Mr. Stallman, we'll take it from here......." | Mar 17 21:24 |
| balzac | checking it | Mar 17 21:25 |
| balzac | It's funny to see him throwing the "linux" brand under the bus. | Mar 17 21:27 |
| balzac | Now some "Linux" people can think about how it was when they threw the GNU brand under the bus. | Mar 17 21:27 |
| balzac | but he is not aware of the GNU Rennaisance which is ahead. | Mar 17 21:27 |
| balzac | How short-sighted they are with these shallow re-branding campaigns. | Mar 17 21:28 |
| balzac | Ambitious little suckers, aren't they? | Mar 17 21:28 |
| balzac | So eager to grab the ball out of the point-guard's hands and hurl it into the air, only to end up with an air-ball or a turn-over. | Mar 17 21:29 |
| schestowitz | GNU makes a bit of a comeback, I think | Mar 17 21:31 |
| schestowitz | I started adding GNU everywhere about 1.5 years ago | Mar 17 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Others did the same, for whatever reason | Mar 17 21:31 |
| balzac | the release of GPLv3, which reminded people of who was still holding the reigns of the GNU chariot after 13 years. | Mar 17 21:32 |
| balzac | The once and future king. | Mar 17 21:32 |
| *_Hicham_ has quit ("Leaving.") | Mar 17 21:32 | |
| schestowitz | "King"? | Mar 17 21:33 |
| balzac | it's humor | Mar 17 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Why make icons of people? Reminds of me religious hierarchies. | Mar 17 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Ah OK | Mar 17 21:34 |
| balzac | Like I used the Godfather imagery | Mar 17 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Well, obviously | Mar 17 21:34 |
| balzac | or St Ignucias | Mar 17 21:34 |
| schestowitz | But to externals it would look odd | Mar 17 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Linus usually gets all sorts of 'wankabout' remarks | Mar 17 21:34 |
| balzac | Roy, it's ironic, like the St Ignucias shtick. | Mar 17 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: St Ignucias is humour but bad PR | Mar 17 21:34 |
| schestowitz | I saw him do it for real | Mar 17 21:35 |
| schestowitz | It's quite redundant unless he speaks to the choir | Mar 17 21:35 |
| balzac | As long as RMS has a sense of humor, he doesn't need to be the one worrying about it. | Mar 17 21:36 |
| balzac | My only advice for him has been to be less of a renunciate in the financial sense. Flying coach is too stressful for a guy his age who flies as much as he does. | Mar 17 21:37 |
| balzac | Others can handle PR | Mar 17 21:37 |
| balzac | PR meaning, interfacing with those who don't get quite such an eccentric sense of humor | Mar 17 21:38 |
| schestowitz | haha. Some people don't understand Linux: http://juliank.wordpress.com/200... | Mar 17 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Gotta watch the comments !! :-) | Mar 17 21:39 |
| schestowitz | I hate "PR" | Mar 17 21:39 |
| schestowitz | balzac: if Stallman flew business it would harm his status, not help him | Mar 17 21:41 |
| schestowitz | What developes in South America, for example, would follow some man who lives lavishly. Forget /not/ the Jimmy Wales scandals... restaurants and all.. | Mar 17 21:41 |
| *amarsh04 still runs xmms 1 at home | Mar 17 21:45 | |
| amarsh04 | bmp / audacious / xmms2 ... are all too resource-hungry | Mar 17 21:49 |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 17 21:49 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: that's why I used xmms too. Lean, bug free........ some company (Coverity, IIRC) found it to be one of the most bug-free programs | Mar 17 21:51 |
| balzac | Roy, I think people are too concerned with their own superficial expectations of what an activist is. | Mar 17 21:53 |
| balzac | Stallman should fly business-class and anyone who has a problem with that is free to get a verbal beat-down from yours truly. | Mar 17 21:53 |
| balzac | That is if Richard could be convinced, which would be no easy task. | Mar 17 21:54 |
| *amarsh04 had two drop-outs after ISP set back profile to adsl 1 1500/256 - ISP has finally agree to a loan replacement modem | Mar 17 21:54 | |
| amarsh04 | the ISP reported that it picked up 10 AM radio stations on my adsl line | Mar 17 21:55 |
| *amarsh04 still has to find for RMS some scientific paper showing that marsupials nearly driven to extinction by feral cats and foxes actually reduce fuel load and bushfire risk | Mar 17 21:56 | |
| amarsh04 | poteroos and bandicoots help mulch the dead leaves/branches - RMS commented about the recent .au bushfires in his blog and I emailed him | Mar 17 21:58 |
| trmanco | http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2009/... | Mar 17 21:59 |
| amarsh04 | unfortunately, there are no requirements for our telephone lines to behave as twisted pairs instead of radio antennae | Mar 17 21:59 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: he spends a lot of time on areas other than s/w now. Maybe he always had. | Mar 17 21:59 |
| amarsh04 | he's a very brilliant mathematician schestowitz... the founder of the Warrawong wildlife sanctuary where they have native animals and plants leading to reduced fire hazard was founded by a guy with a Phd in mathematics | Mar 17 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: RMS is a physicist/biologist, IIRC | Mar 17 22:02 |
| schestowitz | I'm in medical biophysics | Mar 17 22:02 |
| amarsh04 | ah right schestowitz... my mum was a zoologist (met David Attenborough once) and dad was a microbiologist | Mar 17 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Crickey. | Mar 17 22:06 |
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| amarsh04 | small world in Adelaide... 2 Nobel prizes, one member of the Manhattan project, one NASA astronaut from Adelaide Uni people | Mar 17 22:10 |
| amarsh04 | where did you do your thesis, schestowitz? | Mar 17 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Manchester | Mar 17 22:17 |
| amarsh04 | ah right | Mar 17 22:18 |
| *amarsh04 must get some sleep | Mar 17 22:21 | |
| schestowitz | at 7am? | Mar 17 22:23 |
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| Guest79105 | hi all | Mar 17 22:46 |
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| trmanco | hello | Mar 17 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Hi, Guest79105 | Mar 17 22:49 |
| Guest79105 | hi there | Mar 17 22:49 |
| Balrog__ | hi | Mar 17 22:50 |
| Guest79105 | been reading a lot of COLA stuff over the last few months... big Linux fan | Mar 17 22:50 |
| trmanco | cool | Mar 17 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Have you posted too? | Mar 17 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Google aid COLA has about 2000 subscribers (lurkers), but that includes past people. | Mar 17 22:51 |
| Guest79105 | nar usually read at work so can't post | Mar 17 22:52 |
| *schestowitz was lurking in some forums as a teenager | Mar 17 22:53 | |
| Guest79105 | besides if i posted i'd only get called a liar or summat | Mar 17 22:55 |
| schestowitz | That's what the AstroTurfers are there for -- to intimidate | Mar 17 22:55 |
| schestowitz | The Microsoft Hooligans(TM) | Mar 17 22:56 |
| Guest79105 | lol | Mar 17 22:56 |
| schestowitz | From the FAQ: | Mar 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | 7.1 Disinformation | Mar 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | € If COLA were a physical location like a building where those who would | Mar 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | € advocate the growth of the Linux operating systems and the Linux community | Mar 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | € gather, the anti-Linux propagandists would be raiding that building. They | Mar 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | € would be vandalizing the building, painting graffiti on the walls, | Mar 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | € defecating and urinating on the floors and furniture, breaking down the | Mar 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | € doors, setting fire to the building and physically assaulting the resident | Mar 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | € Linux advocates and the visitors who happen to be in the building at the | Mar 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | € time of the raid. | Mar 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | € COLA is not a physical location, so they have had to adapt their methods | Mar 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | € so that they can do an on-line version of what was described in the prior | Mar 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | € paragraph. A key method used by anti-Linux propagandist to attack Linux, | Mar 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | € its users, sysadmins, developers, advocates and those who have come to | Mar 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | € COLA to lean about Linux. is a form of propaganda known as disinformation. | Mar 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | € One of their favorite version of disinformation is known as FUD. | Mar 17 22:57 |
| Guest79105 | its done with a script your posts? not that i'm bothered... i find it useful to read up on a says linux news | Mar 17 22:58 |
| Guest79105 | is it* | Mar 17 22:58 |
| Guest79105 | find a lot of it interesting as i'm learning and building up linux computers | Mar 17 22:59 |
| schestowitz | No, no scripts | Mar 17 23:00 |
| schestowitz | That's libel from the AstroTurfers | Mar 17 23:00 |
| schestowitz | I'm surprised people would believe this | Mar 17 23:00 |
| *schestowitz posts to COLA ATM | Mar 17 23:00 | |
| Guest79105 | its just with so many at the same time | Mar 17 23:01 |
| schestowitz | I post as quickly as I can. | Mar 17 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Manually, of course. | Mar 17 23:02 |
| Guest79105 | lol | Mar 17 23:02 |
| schestowitz | editing in deskop 1, posting in desktop 8. I open 20 windows at a time | Mar 17 23:02 |
| Guest79105 | lol cool | Mar 17 23:03 |
| schestowitz | I could do more before I enabled Compiz. It doesn't like too many open and overlapping windows | Mar 17 23:03 |
| trmanco | what is ATM? | Mar 17 23:03 |
| trmanco | the machine? | Mar 17 23:03 |
| Guest79105 | been getting into ubuntu a lot at the moment | Mar 17 23:03 |
| trmanco | :-P | Mar 17 23:03 |
| trmanco | Guest79105, have you changed the look & feel? | Mar 17 23:04 |
| Guest79105 | been doing assorts... ps3 myth-tv server and arcade machine | Mar 17 23:04 |
| Guest79105 | lol aye... hate the brown | Mar 17 23:04 |
| schestowitz | at the moment | Mar 17 23:05 |
| trmanco | Guest79105, was it easy? | Mar 17 23:06 |
| Guest79105 | also like mint too | Mar 17 23:06 |
| trmanco | mint is refreshing (the design) | Mar 17 23:06 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.shankarganesh.com/2007... | Mar 17 23:06 |
| Guest79105 | yer surprised how easy it to adapt it all | Mar 17 23:07 |
| trmanco | mint would be a good install for today | Mar 17 23:07 |
| trmanco | cool, good to know | Mar 17 23:07 |
| Guest79105 | i'm on mint now.... on a 701 eeepc | Mar 17 23:07 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, look how hard it is | Mar 17 23:08 |
| trmanco | 5 steps | Mar 17 23:08 |
| schestowitz | no reboots? | Mar 17 23:08 |
| Guest79105 | runs ok but sort of "freezes" a second sometimes | Mar 17 23:08 |
| trmanco | I can do it in 2 | Mar 17 23:08 |
| schestowitz | no "clusterfsck?" | Mar 17 23:08 |
| Guest79105 | for mint on a 701? no | Mar 17 23:08 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, I can almost bet, that if you apply a theme, you can't go back to the original theme without breaking stuff, like icons | Mar 17 23:09 |
| Guest79105 | for my workstation... yer... one cos i installed nvidia drivers | Mar 17 23:09 |
| *schestowitz uses keramik | Mar 17 23:09 | |
| trmanco | Guest79105, freezes? | Mar 17 23:09 |
| trmanco | have you checked the cpu usage when that happens? | Mar 17 23:10 |
| Guest79105 | yer sort of sticks some times loading stuff | Mar 17 23:10 |
| Guest79105 | aye its at 100% according to conkey | Mar 17 23:10 |
| trmanco | ahh crap | Mar 17 23:10 |
| trmanco | even at idle state? | Mar 17 23:10 |
| Guest79105 | its not too bad, its only celeron processor in this lol | Mar 17 23:11 |
| Guest79105 | yer | Mar 17 23:11 |
| Guest79105 | not sure why but its live-able so not too fussed | Mar 17 23:11 |
| Guest79105 | getting a new net book tomorrow so its ok lol | Mar 17 23:11 |
| trmanco | hmm, I had a similiar problem with tis once on a laptop, I disabled acpid, the acpi service and everything started working alright | Mar 17 23:12 |
| Guest79105 | might give it a try | Mar 17 23:12 |
| trmanco | you can always check with top what is hogging your cpu | Mar 17 23:12 |
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| trmanco | I used this tool to find this problem | Mar 17 23:12 |
| trmanco | that* | Mar 17 23:12 |
| trmanco | wasn't my laptop, a friends | Mar 17 23:13 |
| Guest79105 | getting an aspire one tomorrow... bit more powerful | Mar 17 23:13 |
| trmanco | good, don't forget to buy the Linux version :-P | Mar 17 23:14 |
| Guest79105 | lol it is, well half be | Mar 17 23:16 |
| Guest79105 | possibly a 3rd | Mar 17 23:16 |
| Guest79105 | not totally free of the grip windows | Mar 17 23:19 |
| trmanco | have a cup of WINE | Mar 17 23:20 |
| Guest79105 | tried but i use cs3 | Mar 17 23:21 |
| Guest79105 | a lot | Mar 17 23:21 |
| Guest79105 | so kinda need it | Mar 17 23:21 |
| trmanco | yeah, WINE does not support it completely, yet | Mar 17 23:23 |
| Guest79105 | aye, i use gimp a bit but use photoshop more | Mar 17 23:25 |
| trmanco | Microsoft Office 2007 In Linux With WINE: https://slashdot.org/articl... | Mar 17 23:27 |
| Guest79105 | also can't get my photo printer working right yet under ubuntu... can do basic stuff but not the photos | Mar 17 23:27 |
| trmanco | do you print it trough CUPS | Mar 17 23:29 |
| trmanco | http://localhost:631/ | Mar 17 23:29 |
| trmanco | click that link | Mar 17 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Or virtualise Windows inside Linux | Mar 17 23:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.virtualbox.org/ | Mar 17 23:30 |
| trmanco | yeah, that is a good option too | Mar 17 23:30 |
| Guest79105 | i use cups at the mo | Mar 17 23:30 |
| Guest79105 | never really got on with virtualbox or stuff like it the last time i tryed | Mar 17 23:31 |
| trmanco | cya | Mar 17 23:34 |
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