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schestowitzBut Ballmer is like an animal... punching below the beltApr 01 21:48
schestowitzThrowing chair in the ringApr 01 21:48
_Hicham_u should protect ur ballsApr 01 21:48
schestowitzYelp and leaping to scare the opponentsApr 01 21:48
schestowitzI. Love. This. Company yYEEEEEEEEEEEEYHAHAHApr 01 21:48
_Hicham_and u will say : I am gonna fuck u and ur CompanyApr 01 21:49
jose:-)Apr 01 21:49
_Hicham_waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahApr 01 21:49
josei love this companyApr 01 21:49
_Hicham_what do u love schestowitz?Apr 01 21:49
joseschestowitz, maybe the processing bit will come up again later.. i'm going to go, ok?Apr 01 21:50
schestowitzI dunnoApr 01 21:50
schestowitzjose: OK, we can carry on laterApr 01 21:50
josebyeApr 01 21:50
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schestowitzI just saw this s/wApr 01 21:50
schestowitznever mind, he's goneApr 01 21:51
schestowitzOne of the havens from Conficker attacks are other DNS options. They too get attacked: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/...Apr 01 21:54
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_Hicham_Roy : what do u do for a living?Apr 01 21:54
schestowitzEMC is now a shill for Microsoft: EMC VP breaks company's own embargo < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/... >Apr 01 21:54
schestowitz_Hicham_: you've asked this beforeApr 01 21:55
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schestowitzMS hijacked names: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04...Apr 01 21:55
schestowitzThe big story here is that they grabbed IBM's identity to confuse: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/... I think IBM uses SLESApr 01 21:55
DaemonFCI got the Nvidia driver to build on 2.6.29-git8 :PApr 01 21:55
_Hicham_Roy : u didn't answerApr 01 21:55
DaemonFCthey were depending on deprecated crap that just got removedApr 01 21:56
DaemonFClolApr 01 21:56
DaemonFCso I removed all references to it in the kernel interface sourceApr 01 21:56
schestowitz" (He didn't stay retired for long. In January 2003, Gerstner took the position of chairman at private equity giant The Carlyle Group.)" http://www.theregister.co.uk/200... WOW!Apr 01 21:56
schestowitzThe  Carlyle Gang has IBMers in it now? It's one of those societies that runs the US (=commerce) from behind the scenes Apr 01 21:57
_Hicham_DaemonFC : did u try the Nouveau Driver?Apr 01 21:57
BalrogI did, works good.Apr 01 21:57
Balrog(nouveau)Apr 01 21:57
Balrogbut it's slow and no 3DApr 01 21:57
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04... "A father suspected of murdering five members of his family before killing himself has been identified as a Yahoo! engineer."Apr 01 21:58
DaemonFCNouveau is 2d onlyApr 01 21:58
_Hicham_Balrog : so no Compiz?Apr 01 21:58
DaemonFCand thrashes the hard diskApr 01 21:58
schestowitzThere was an incident not so long ago of a Microsoft murder-suicideApr 01 21:58
DaemonFCit's crappier than NVApr 01 21:58
_Hicham_DaemonFC : Fedora will adopt Nouveau by defaultApr 01 21:58
schestowitzin f11Apr 01 21:58
DaemonFCyeahApr 01 21:59
DaemonFCand you're better off putting nv backApr 01 21:59
schestowitzDoen testing day last thursApr 01 21:59
DaemonFCif you use Fedora 11Apr 01 21:59
DaemonFChehApr 01 21:59
schestowitzThree-fold global increase in infected websites < http://www.itwire.com/content/... >Apr 01 22:00
DaemonFCyeah, why can't they just launch an attack on MS?Apr 01 22:00
DaemonFCbring all their sites down?Apr 01 22:00
schestowitzOpen Source Is The Pinnacle Of The Free Market < http://californiaquantum.wordpress.com/200... >Apr 01 22:00
DaemonFCthat would be coolApr 01 22:00
_Hicham_DaemonFC : MS is behind akamaiApr 01 22:01
schestowitzLinux tooApr 01 22:01
MinceRwhat, howApr 01 22:01
schestowitzLinux is 'behind' akamaiApr 01 22:01
schestowitz :-)Apr 01 22:01
DaemonFC20 million infected PCs will DDos your shitApr 01 22:01
MinceRdon't you mean akamai is behind the m$ sites?Apr 01 22:01
DaemonFCI don't care what you haveApr 01 22:01
schestowitzAkamai is cum thoughApr 01 22:01
schestowitzSoftware patentsApr 01 22:01
schestowitzzoobab01 tracks their patent junkApr 01 22:01
schestowitzChina vs CNN in 2007...Apr 01 22:02
schestowitzOr 2008..Apr 01 22:02
schestowitzI don't think they manages to take it down, just to slow it down. CNN was preparing for itApr 01 22:02
schestowitzThe Chinese were rightly angry because CNN delivers propaganda, not news. Then again, so does the BBC, based on people who worked there.Apr 01 22:03
DaemonFCthe Chinese are pissed about Propaganda?Apr 01 22:03
DaemonFChehApr 01 22:03
DaemonFCyou mean propaganda that they aren't spitting outApr 01 22:03
DaemonFCright?Apr 01 22:03
schestowitzIt would be so strange if national television EVER criticised ANYTHING the government does. It's like "impossible by design"Apr 01 22:03
schestowitzDaemonFC: it goes both waysApr 01 22:04
DaemonFCThere's no such thing as a news agency that's not state-ranApr 01 22:04
DaemonFCbut the Chinese are particularly bad with thatApr 01 22:04
schestowitzJust put chopsticks in Obams's fists, you won't notice the differenceApr 01 22:04
DaemonFCiron fisted bastardsApr 01 22:04
schestowitzThey both are hypocritesApr 01 22:04
schestowitzPerfect couple.. suppressing their populationApr 01 22:04
_Hicham_China is a threatApr 01 22:05
DaemonFCI can go protest the government and not be shot for itApr 01 22:05
schestowitzOne calls itself the republic of the people and another lies differently, calling it "democracy" (Ha!)Apr 01 22:05
_Hicham_China is gonna eat the worldApr 01 22:05
DaemonFCor imprisoned for 20 yearsApr 01 22:05
DaemonFCtry that shit in ChinaApr 01 22:05
DaemonFCgo aheadApr 01 22:05
_Hicham_China has a complete army of computer hackersApr 01 22:05
_Hicham_it is the new warApr 01 22:05
DaemonFCChina is one of the worst regimes in the worldApr 01 22:05
DaemonFCand we do business with them every dayApr 01 22:06
schestowitzI know it's no better onlineApr 01 22:06
schestowitzIn terms of freedom of thoughtApr 01 22:06
_Hicham_China's censure is very toughApr 01 22:06
DaemonFCso until we boycott them, I refuse to believe in any legitimate beef we have with any other countryApr 01 22:06
schestowitzThey get brainwashed like many others in the world thoughApr 01 22:06
_Hicham_http://www.boycottchina.comApr 01 22:06
*schestowitz checksApr 01 22:06
DaemonFChow could you be brainwashed into thinking a 18 hour workday 6 days a week, or moreApr 01 22:06
DaemonFCis ok?Apr 01 22:06
schestowitz_Hicham_: not assigned to a host (parked)Apr 01 22:07
_Hicham_schestowitz : did u check the site? :DApr 01 22:07
DaemonFCThe chinese labor standards are worse than PRISON labor standardsApr 01 22:07
_Hicham_it was just a jokeApr 01 22:07
DaemonFCin most other countriesApr 01 22:07
schestowitzDaemonFC: face the PowerApr 01 22:07
MinceRhttp://forums.somethingawful.com/a...Apr 01 22:08
schestowitzMinceR: real?Apr 01 22:08
schestowitzCancel job?Apr 01 22:08
MinceRapparently realApr 01 22:08
schestowitzI get the joke, but..Apr 01 22:08
schestowitzMaybe greyed out when it's processedApr 01 22:08
MinceRit probably blindly puts the last command thereApr 01 22:09
schestowitzUndo "think"Apr 01 22:09
schestowitzUndo "MotherShip.phone()Apr 01 22:09
schestowitzBring me back me[sic] packet!!Apr 01 22:09
MinceR:)Apr 01 22:10
MinceRUndo "Buy Adobe Product"Apr 01 22:10
schestowitzerror(99); quitting.Apr 01 22:11
schestowitzAmazing: Guardian Asks UK Gov't To Investigate Google News For Not Contributing To Journalism? < http://www.techdirt.com/articles... >Apr 01 22:13
_Hicham_buy my productsApr 01 22:14
_Hicham_they are way cheapApr 01 22:14
schestowitzFeeBSD tops uptime list, but Kinux most prevalent: http://news.netcraft.com/arch...Apr 01 22:14
schestowitz*Linux, not Kinux HEHEApr 01 22:15
schestowitzFeeBSD is a funny typoApr 01 22:15
schestowitzWould be a great name for OS XApr 01 22:15
silentivm:DApr 01 22:15
_Hicham_FreeBSD will still dominateApr 01 22:15
_Hicham_for a long timeApr 01 22:15
schestowitzWhat makes it so?Apr 01 22:16
schestowitzSimplicity?Apr 01 22:16
schestowitzThanks to campaign finance reform, activists can go to jail if their movie makes a politician look bad. < http://reason.com/news/show/132594.html >Apr 01 22:16
schestowitz_Hicham_: they are watching YOU: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...Apr 01 22:17
_Hicham_schestowitz : FreeBSD is the most secure OSApr 01 22:17
schestowitzBy what measure?Apr 01 22:17
schestowitzNot OpenBSD?Apr 01 22:17
_Hicham_by constructionApr 01 22:17
schestowitzBased on patches and severity?Apr 01 22:17
schestowitz_Hicham_: measure contructionApr 01 22:17
schestowitzMeasure "prettiness"Apr 01 22:18
schestowitzThat's the idiocy promote in Miss World and all that malarkeyApr 01 22:18
schestowitzTreating them like objects, but that's another subject altogetherApr 01 22:18
schestowitzHow do you define "Security"Apr 01 22:18
schestowitzHow do you define "market share"?Apr 01 22:18
_Hicham_Security?Apr 01 22:18
schestowitzI know how Microsoft likes to define itApr 01 22:18
schestowitzRevenue.Apr 01 22:18
schestowitzPreinstalls, not installed baseApr 01 22:19
schestowitz_Hicham_: yes, how to judge it?Apr 01 22:19
schestowitzMicrosoft has its own 'ways' to measure security tooApr 01 22:19
_Hicham_Security is how the system can resist to attacks when all measures are onApr 01 22:19
schestowitzTo each his own (self-fulfilling) method.Apr 01 22:19
schestowitzLike "who invested the computer"Apr 01 22:19
_Hicham_that is the only measure of security that i can think ofApr 01 22:19
schestowitzDefine computerApr 01 22:19
schestowitzDefine inventApr 01 22:20
MinceRWideOpenBSD?Apr 01 22:20
schestowitzMove goalpostsApr 01 22:20
MinceR:>Apr 01 22:20
schestowitzJoBSD.Apr 01 22:20
MinceRDramaBSDApr 01 22:20
_Hicham_Revenue is everything RoyApr 01 22:20
schestowitzJoBSODApr 01 22:20
_Hicham_who doesn't like moneyApr 01 22:20
schestowitzJobs in the hospitalApr 01 22:20
schestowitz_Hicham_: revenue is not everything to a scientistApr 01 22:21
_Hicham_May God help himApr 01 22:21
schestowitzRMS explained this too in CMU the other dayApr 01 22:21
schestowitzScientists want many thingsApr 01 22:21
schestowitzNot just moneyApr 01 22:21
_Hicham_what do they want?Apr 01 22:21
_Hicham_if they can't profit from their research?Apr 01 22:21
schestowitzIt's an oversimplicifaction sold by the companies to the public to make them submissive labourersApr 01 22:21
_Hicham_why the fuck do a research in first placeApr 01 22:21
schestowitzFun.Apr 01 22:21
schestowitzCurioussityApr 01 22:22
schestowitzRecognitionApr 01 22:22
MinceRaltavista doesn't cut it :/Apr 01 22:22
schestowitzDefeaating evilApr 01 22:22
schestowitzDefeaating illnessApr 01 22:22
schestowitzEtc etc.Apr 01 22:22
PetoKrauswellApr 01 22:22
_Hicham_I won't do a research for fun or curiosityApr 01 22:22
PetoKrausit IS trueApr 01 22:22
PetoKrausbut the problem isApr 01 22:22
_Hicham_I will do a research for my own profitApr 01 22:22
PetoKrausscientists are not the only thing you need for researchApr 01 22:22
_Hicham_and then I am gonna think of the communityApr 01 22:22
schestowitz_Hicham_: OK, fine.Apr 01 22:23
schestowitzDepends what luxury - if any -- you're afterApr 01 22:23
_Hicham_I can't tolerate someone stealing ideasApr 01 22:23
schestowitzTo some people, bed and food is sufficientApr 01 22:23
schestowitzSome people just want a war to end.Apr 01 22:23
_Hicham_I am after a lot of moneyApr 01 22:23
schestowitz_Hicham_: you steal ideas all the timeApr 01 22:23
schestowitzHow dare you?Apr 01 22:23
_Hicham_me?Apr 01 22:23
schestowitzYour sentence was inspired by things you readApr 01 22:23
schestowitzyes, you!Apr 01 22:23
schestowitz :-)Apr 01 22:23
schestowitzAll you do is inspiredApr 01 22:24
silentivmnice line of thoughtApr 01 22:24
silentivm:)Apr 01 22:24
schestowitzCopiesApr 01 22:24
schestowitz'Stolen'Apr 01 22:24
silentivmXDApr 01 22:24
schestowitz:)Apr 01 22:24
_Hicham_that is not stealingApr 01 22:24
schestowitzIt isApr 01 22:24
PetoKrausstealing ideas is, in my opinion, stealing only if not well attributedApr 01 22:24
schestowitzWhy not?Apr 01 22:24
_Hicham_we read them in a newspaperApr 01 22:24
schestowitzIs there a level of complexity?Apr 01 22:24
_Hicham_and we pay for the newspaperApr 01 22:24
schestowitzIf I make a statement that I heard somewhere, is that stealking?Apr 01 22:24
_Hicham_noApr 01 22:24
_Hicham_it is not stealingApr 01 22:24
schestowitzHow many times do you make a joke based on something you learned?Apr 01 22:24
PetoKrausschestowitz: it depends :)Apr 01 22:24
_Hicham_and I am not talking about thatApr 01 22:25
schestowitzSo just 'macro' stguff?Apr 01 22:25
PetoKraus_Hicham_: yeah, but that's the pointApr 01 22:25
schestowitzWhere is the limit?Apr 01 22:25
PetoKrausscience is about knowledgeApr 01 22:25
PetoKrausknowledge is atomicApr 01 22:25
schestowitzScience is useless without 'stealking'Apr 01 22:25
PetoKrausyou either have it or notApr 01 22:25
_Hicham_the limit is that someone must be paid back the fruits of his ideaApr 01 22:25
schestowitzLike stealking an equation you read in a bookApr 01 22:25
PetoKraushe mustn'tApr 01 22:25
schestowitzOr stealing words you saw Apr 01 22:25
PetoKrausif they are worthlessApr 01 22:25
schestowitzOr stealking an idea for a diagram you produce.Apr 01 22:26
_Hicham_not like some scientists who died poorApr 01 22:26
PetoKrauswellApr 01 22:26
_Hicham_there are some good scientistsApr 01 22:26
schestowitzEveryone looks at inputApr 01 22:26
PetoKrausit happened beforeApr 01 22:26
PetoKrausit'll happen againApr 01 22:26
schestowitzWithout input, there's no outputApr 01 22:26
schestowitzOutput is aggregation of inputApr 01 22:26
PetoKrauspatents are not going to change itApr 01 22:26
schestowitzAs simple as thatApr 01 22:26
_Hicham_we must at least give creditApr 01 22:26
PetoKrausyesApr 01 22:26
PetoKrausthat's called "attribution"Apr 01 22:26
schestowitzYou learn X Y and Z and eit ZXYApr 01 22:26
schestowitz*emitApr 01 22:26
PetoKrausand in some jurisdiction is covered under separate lawApr 01 22:26
_Hicham_if we don't give credit, we are stealingApr 01 22:26
PetoKrauslike slovakiaApr 01 22:26
PetoKrausauthorship lawApr 01 22:27
PetoKrausand copyright lawApr 01 22:27
schestowitzPatents make inventor poorerApr 01 22:27
schestowitzThey garden some s*tty patentApr 01 22:27
schestowitzAnd they make no moneyApr 01 22:27
schestowitzJust waste time with lawyersApr 01 22:27
schestowitzWhen they could use their skill to invest some stuff insteadApr 01 22:27
_Hicham_like for instance, if I say " boycott novell", i will say also " according to roy"Apr 01 22:27
schestowitz*inventApr 01 22:27
_Hicham_so I want steal ur ideasApr 01 22:27
schestowitz_Hicham_: can you always do this?Apr 01 22:27
_Hicham_yesApr 01 22:27
_Hicham_I will always mention ur nameApr 01 22:28
schestowitzIn any setnence you might aggregate things you read in 3 placesApr 01 22:28
_Hicham_because it is ur ideaApr 01 22:28
_Hicham_not mineApr 01 22:28
schestowitzIn one sentenceApr 01 22:28
schestowitzMaybe my idea is based on something I read in a blogApr 01 22:28
schestowitzStealking by inference?Apr 01 22:28
schestowitzTransitively?Apr 01 22:28
_Hicham_noApr 01 22:28
_Hicham_noApr 01 22:28
schestowitz'Stealking' that isApr 01 22:28
_Hicham_I won't be stealing anywayApr 01 22:28
schestowitzI actually attribute lotsApr 01 22:28
schestowitzBN is FILLED with referencesApr 01 22:28
schestowitzSo anywhere I can I show nthe source of what I learned Apr 01 22:29
_Hicham_If u steal, ur a thief, but I won'tApr 01 22:29
schestowitzAnd share it with readers Apr 01 22:29
_Hicham_because I mentioned the sourceApr 01 22:29
schestowitzIt's helpful for me and hopefully others tooApr 01 22:29
_Hicham_I like the way u writeApr 01 22:29
schestowitzBut attrib is sometimes not enoughSApr 01 22:29
schestowitzSo some would yell "stealling"Apr 01 22:29
schestowitzIdeas are everywhereApr 01 22:29
_Hicham_just give creditApr 01 22:29
schestowitzComplex combinations and /machines/ are another thingsApr 01 22:29
_Hicham_and u r not a thiefApr 01 22:30
schestowitzSome Nobel laureates advocate getting rid of all patents.Apr 01 22:30
_Hicham_and fucking the researchers?Apr 01 22:30
schestowitzNopeApr 01 22:30
_Hicham_so the businessmen can get richer?Apr 01 22:30
schestowitzFew of them benefit from thisApr 01 22:30
schestowitzLawyers doApr 01 22:30
schestowitzIt's a big lie to manyApr 01 22:30
schestowitzLike with the MAFIAAApr 01 22:30
_Hicham_so there are fuckedApr 01 22:30
_Hicham_they are damn fuckedApr 01 22:31
schestowitztghey use few superstars to create illusion of successin copyrigjhtsApr 01 22:31
_Hicham_who do u prefer, a scientist or a businessman?Apr 01 22:31
schestowitzThe vast majority of musicians get ripped off very badlyApr 01 22:31
schestowitzEven if they sell albums they make not a dimeApr 01 22:31
schestowitzThey are better off selling on the Internet sometimes.Apr 01 22:31
_Hicham_so musicians should stop singing?Apr 01 22:31
schestowitzscientist - businessma : similar thingsApr 01 22:31
_Hicham_scientist is better than a businessmanApr 01 22:32
schestowitzHuman occupation is simialrApr 01 22:32
_Hicham_noApr 01 22:32
schestowitzJust role playingApr 01 22:32
_Hicham_noApr 01 22:32
schestowitzThe ones doing the most job engage in phycsical labourApr 01 22:32
_Hicham_a scientist doesn't think like a businessmanApr 01 22:32
schestowitzLike building homes, not designing themApr 01 22:32
schestowitzOr farmersApr 01 22:32
_Hicham_I don't like businessmen interfering with scienceApr 01 22:32
_Hicham_science should be independantApr 01 22:33
_Hicham_no controlled by fucking scientists or politiciansApr 01 22:33
_Hicham_science should be protectedApr 01 22:33
_Hicham_from the evil of ignorantsApr 01 22:33
_Hicham_there a lot of GPL violations, who defend it?Apr 01 22:34
_Hicham_who does sue the campanies?Apr 01 22:34
schestowitzHehe. Cool photo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-polic...Apr 01 22:35
_Hicham_we need money to sue these companies RoyApr 01 22:35
schestowitzEnough suingApr 01 22:36
schestowitzCivil courtesyApr 01 22:36
_Hicham_we can't protect free software with speechApr 01 22:36
schestowitzAnd not screwing with the integrity of societyApr 01 22:36
schestowitzBut for money, many people screw societyApr 01 22:36
_Hicham_we can't just do like GhandiApr 01 22:36
schestowitzSo some things ought to be restructured. Like the MAFIAA scrappedApr 01 22:36
_Hicham_"If he slaps u on one cheek, give him the other cheek"Apr 01 22:36
schestowitzIt's not needed because of the InternetApr 01 22:36
schestowitzIn the older days they sold plastics with 1s and 0s on themApr 01 22:37
_Hicham_if he slaps u again, give him ur assApr 01 22:37
_Hicham_that is how it goesApr 01 22:37
schestowitzThat's no longer neededApr 01 22:37
_Hicham_why?Apr 01 22:37
_Hicham_why write the GPL then?Apr 01 22:37
schestowitzI didn't suggest thisApr 01 22:37
_Hicham_better say as licence : " go get some money with this code, I am a jackass, have fun "Apr 01 22:38
_Hicham_that would be a better licenceApr 01 22:38
_Hicham_licensApr 01 22:38
_Hicham_licenseApr 01 22:38
schestowitz"licence" is correctApr 01 22:40
schestowitzlincense is a verb (in in the US also a noun)Apr 01 22:40
schestowitzMiguel de icaza argued with me about itApr 01 22:40
schestowitzMiguel "Ingrish guru" IcazaApr 01 22:41
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schestowitzProtesters always early adopters of technology < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORL... >Apr 01 22:42
schestowitz"University of Manchester political philosopher Martin O'Neill, who works on equality and social justice, told CNN that activists have a reputation for being early adopters of technology."Apr 01 22:42
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_Hicham_http://boycottschestowitz.comApr 01 22:47
schestowitz*GASP* :-OApr 01 22:47
schestowitzcan't connect. Phew!Apr 01 22:48
_Hicham_why we don't have to sue GPL violations Roy?Apr 01 22:48
schestowitzDo one for  oiaohmApr 01 22:48
_Hicham_do what?Apr 01 22:48
schestowitzhttp://boycottoiaohm.comApr 01 22:49
_Hicham_no, I like oiaohmApr 01 22:49
_Hicham_I am gonna build a business with himApr 01 22:49
_Hicham_based on patentsApr 01 22:49
_Hicham_:DApr 01 22:49
_Hicham_we will take Linux kernel, patch it, and use it in closed source formApr 01 22:50
_Hicham_there will be no one to sue usApr 01 22:51
_Hicham_:DApr 01 22:51
MinceRhttp://boycottboycotters.comApr 01 22:51
_Hicham_Roy is silentApr 01 22:51
schestowitzHow to Distro Hop Without Killing Your Productivity < http://productivelinux.com/2009/03/31/how-t... >Apr 01 22:51
schestowitzhttp://boycottboycottsboycotters.comApr 01 22:52
schestowitzleft-hand expansionApr 01 22:52
schestowitzYACC!Apr 01 22:52
_Hicham_and bisonApr 01 22:52
schestowitz_Hicham_: not silent, just readins eome stuffApr 01 22:52
_Hicham_u didn't answer me about GPL violationsApr 01 22:53
schestowitzgnu, not bison ;))Apr 01 22:53
schestowitzlexApr 01 22:53
schestowitz_Hicham_: it's no fun pressuring companiesApr 01 22:53
_Hicham_I made a small calculator with lex and yaccApr 01 22:53
_Hicham_Roy : why write GPL then?Apr 01 22:53
DaemonFChttp://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/...Apr 01 22:53
_Hicham_if there is no way to protect it?Apr 01 22:54
DaemonFCheh, the new Ext4 patches to compensate for bad appsApr 01 22:54
DaemonFClike FirefoxApr 01 22:54
_Hicham_DaemonFC : Firefox doesn't have the fsync problem no moreApr 01 22:54
_Hicham_Roy doesn't answerApr 01 22:55
_Hicham_schestwitz is not open sourceApr 01 22:55
_Hicham_schestowitz is a closed source manApr 01 22:55
_Hicham_schestowitz is patentedApr 01 22:55
schestowitz_Hicham_: GPL=system of trustApr 01 22:55
DaemonFCwhen did they fix it?Apr 01 22:56
schestowitzCompliance by force a last resortApr 01 22:56
schestowitzCompanies usually settle and complyApr 01 22:56
_Hicham_schestowitz : why let people violate it then?Apr 01 22:56
*schestowitz worked with lax and yacc too. Did a compiler IIRCApr 01 22:56
schestowitz*lexApr 01 22:56
schestowitzlaxitive :-)Apr 01 22:56
schestowitz_Hicham_: I don't answer cause I collect daily links for you guys (BN)Apr 01 22:57
Balrogflex I thinkApr 01 22:57
_Hicham_laxative takes to the bathroom straightApr 01 22:58
_Hicham_schestowitz is with GlobalizationApr 01 22:59
_Hicham_schestowitz is helping AmericaApr 01 22:59
schestowitzWhy?Apr 01 22:59
schestowitzAnd how so?Apr 01 23:00
_Hicham_:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:DApr 01 23:00
schestowitzGlobalisation is a euphemism.Apr 01 23:00
schestowitzLike harmonisation for software patentsApr 01 23:00
_Hicham_didn't u go to London?Apr 01 23:00
schestowitzGlobalisation is for labour exploitationApr 01 23:00
schestowitzLike in Chian.Apr 01 23:00
schestowitzI might go to London next monthApr 01 23:00
schestowitzAre you ready for Conficker? < http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2332 >Apr 01 23:01
_Hicham_there will be no manifestations next month in LondonApr 01 23:01
_Hicham_the Londoners are protesting against GlobalizationApr 01 23:01
schestowitzIn a couple of weeks BN will do its 6000th postApr 01 23:01
schestowitzThey are better off protesting on-lineApr 01 23:02
schestowitzAnd producing evidenceApr 01 23:02
schestowitzWorking as a group not physicallyApr 01 23:02
_Hicham_no one will hear them onlineApr 01 23:02
schestowitzWhy not?Apr 01 23:02
schestowitzPeople have SEsApr 01 23:02
_Hicham_nothing will replace physical workApr 01 23:02
schestowitzWikileaksApr 01 23:02
_Hicham_people do not readApr 01 23:03
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_Hicham_Internet didn't help public awarenessApr 01 23:03
schestowitz"I'm always happy when I'm protesting." --Richard StallmanApr 01 23:03
_Hicham_"I am happy when I have a lot of money"  --HichamApr 01 23:04
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_Hicham_"I am happy when data disappears" --oiaohmApr 01 23:04
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Balrog_sorry :PApr 01 23:05
MinceRdon't be sorryApr 01 23:05
Balrog_"I am happy when big media disappears as it is currently" --BalrogApr 01 23:06
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_Hicham_there will be almost no softwareApr 01 23:10
schestowitzYikesApr 01 23:10
silentivmthis would suckApr 01 23:10
_Hicham_just Web ServicesApr 01 23:10
schestowitzFight the cloudsApr 01 23:10
schestowitzShoot them :-)Apr 01 23:10
DaemonFCwell, in that cause the OS becomes irrelevantApr 01 23:10
silentivmimagine running a video editor or CAD program as a web serviceApr 01 23:10
DaemonFCso that could be a good thingApr 01 23:10
silentivmDaemonFC, but then the person/company which hosts the app would have total controlApr 01 23:11
schestowitzsilentivm: that exists alreadyApr 01 23:11
_Hicham_the OS is always relevantApr 01 23:11
schestowitzVideo editing anywayApr 01 23:11
silentivmsounds painfulApr 01 23:11
schestowitzPhotoshop too is gradually moving onlineApr 01 23:11
DaemonFCwell, that's how Linux is being marketedApr 01 23:11
DaemonFC"Why do you need apps when we has Firefox and AJAX?"Apr 01 23:11
DaemonFC:PApr 01 23:11
schestowitzMicrosoft wants deseprately to control 'clouds'Apr 01 23:11
MinceRwho markets linux that way?Apr 01 23:11
_Hicham_there is no video of SchestowitzApr 01 23:12
schestowitzIt attacks Google because ot itApr 01 23:12
DaemonFCUbuntuApr 01 23:12
*silentivm has quit (Remote closed the connection)Apr 01 23:12
schestowitzEven the office suites move onlineApr 01 23:12
DaemonFCand they're the only ones that are really growingApr 01 23:12
MinceRalso, what do you think runs the cloud? :>Apr 01 23:12
schestowitzInevitably, for reasons of costApr 01 23:12
Balrog_Video editing is staying off the cloudApr 01 23:12
schestowitzNot procticalityApr 01 23:12
Balrog_at least, real professional video editingApr 01 23:12
schestowitzPeople like mobility and payment in installmentsApr 01 23:12
MinceR002059 < DaemonFC> UbuntuApr 01 23:12
MinceRurl or it didn't happenApr 01 23:12
schestowitzThey want pay for shrink-wrapped Office in advanceApr 01 23:12
_Hicham_clouds are cheaperApr 01 23:12
schestowitznot necesarilyApr 01 23:12
*silentivm (n=renan@189.58.199.87) has joined #boycottnovellApr 01 23:12
DaemonFChttp://www.canonical.com/projects...Apr 01 23:13
DaemonFCthere you goApr 01 23:13
schestowitzThe statement assumes prices are fixedApr 01 23:13
DaemonFCgive me something hardApr 01 23:13
schestowitzAnd lowApr 01 23:13
_Hicham_the development costs will be splitApr 01 23:13
schestowitzWhen you can't afford desktop/native s/w, then you don't upgradeApr 01 23:13
schestowitzIf the price is elevated for a service, you're stuckApr 01 23:13
DaemonFCLinux vendors have really given up trying to market Linux as something with native appsApr 01 23:13
MinceRDaemonFC: that page doesn't say thatApr 01 23:13
DaemonFCso they market it as a cloud OSApr 01 23:14
schestowitzYou must 'upgrade' (renew subs)Apr 01 23:14
MinceRDaemonFC: and if they think only the cloud matters, why is openoffice included?Apr 01 23:14
_Hicham_instead of writing huge codeApr 01 23:14
schestowitzHostage of the company (God in cloud)Apr 01 23:14
MinceRor evolution?Apr 01 23:14
MinceRor pidgin?Apr 01 23:14
DaemonFCMinceR: Why not?Apr 01 23:14
DaemonFCIt's freeApr 01 23:14
_Hicham_fuck evolutionApr 01 23:14
MinceRDaemonFC: oh, i see, you're still full of itApr 01 23:14
_Hicham_evolution is a Novell productApr 01 23:14
schestowitzYuckApr 01 23:14
MinceRbusiness as usualApr 01 23:14
schestowitzEvolution=NovellApr 01 23:14
schestowitz+mono, graduallyApr 01 23:14
MinceRat least search folders work (more or less) in evolutionApr 01 23:14
silentivmwell, I like evolutionApr 01 23:14
DaemonFCMinceR: No, I believe they will drop OOo soonApr 01 23:14
_Hicham_do u use evolution schestowitz?Apr 01 23:14
DaemonFCand just use PrismApr 01 23:15
MinceRthat is, if i get new mail, it actually is filtered properlyApr 01 23:15
schestowitzEvolution is creationismApr 01 23:15
DaemonFCto link you to Google AppsApr 01 23:15
schestowitzLike MSFTApr 01 23:15
silentivmthat is, I need something which integrates tasks/mail/to-doApr 01 23:15
MinceRDaemonFC: you believe a lot of crazy things. :>Apr 01 23:15
schestowitz_Hicham_: I used ThunderbirdApr 01 23:15
DaemonFCIt's where this is headingApr 01 23:15
silentivmThunderbird? Firefox is enough of a headache for meApr 01 23:15
MinceRthunderbird just bumps all the counters on the search folders by one if new mail arrivesApr 01 23:15
DaemonFCThey're basically just thriving on the exploitation of the "Web 2.0" misnomerApr 01 23:15
schestowitzMinceR: makes senseApr 01 23:16
MinceRkmail only refreshes them if i select the folder new mail arrived inApr 01 23:16
DaemonFCgOS takes it furtherApr 01 23:16
MinceRit's horribly annoying either wayApr 01 23:16
_Hicham_Thunderbird is the greatest mail client ever createdApr 01 23:16
schestowitzPeople are naive, moist of them... when it comes to ITApr 01 23:16
schestowitzThey go with priceApr 01 23:16
schestowitzNot logicApr 01 23:16
MinceR_Hicham_: guess againApr 01 23:16
_Hicham_Firefox is the greatest browser everApr 01 23:16
schestowitzLook how many but DRMpodApr 01 23:16
MinceR_Hicham_: guess againApr 01 23:16
schestowitz*buyApr 01 23:16
DaemonFCThat's why Ubuntu is doing Netbook RemixApr 01 23:16
silentivmFirefox eats tons of RAM hereApr 01 23:16
silentivmTONSApr 01 23:16
DaemonFCMS Vista is too fat to fit on a netbookApr 01 23:16
silentivmright now I caught it eating 500+ MBApr 01 23:16
_Hicham_schestowitz is the greatest boycotter everApr 01 23:16
DaemonFCso they have to dig out XP, which is 10 years oldApr 01 23:16
DaemonFCand compete with something like thatApr 01 23:16
MinceR(by thunderbird bumping the counter i mean that it shows new mail in the search folders even if the filter doesn't actually put that item in the search folder)Apr 01 23:17
MinceRand if you look into the search folder, it realizes what's upApr 01 23:17
MinceRclaws doesn't even support search folders at allApr 01 23:17
DaemonFCXP is almost a decade old, never meant for a netbook at allApr 01 23:17
MinceRsomeone please write an email client that doesn't suckApr 01 23:17
_Hicham_MinceR : what version of thunderbird is this?Apr 01 23:17
DaemonFCof course Ubuntu can competeApr 01 23:17
MinceR_Hicham_: dunno, it's on my work machine that i can't reach nowApr 01 23:18
DaemonFCI just use Evolution, it is part of GNOMEApr 01 23:18
DaemonFCI hate Mozilla productsApr 01 23:18
DaemonFCI try to avoid them where I canApr 01 23:18
silentivmI use Evolution because I haven't found any other app to integrate e-mail+tasks+to-doApr 01 23:18
MinceRi use kmail for personal purposes and evolution on the work machineApr 01 23:18
_Hicham_DaemonFC : then do not use Gecko at allApr 01 23:18
MinceRbut i find both inadequateApr 01 23:18
DaemonFCEpiphany-Webkit builds :)Apr 01 23:19
_Hicham_DaemonFC : remove xulrunner thenApr 01 23:19
_Hicham_DaemonFC : and seeApr 01 23:19
DaemonFCall that would do it take out the GNOME help systemApr 01 23:19
DaemonFCGTKHTML is deprecated anyway and will be removed soonApr 01 23:20
DaemonFCthey're rebuilding their dependencies on WebkitApr 01 23:20
_Hicham_is there a browser for Linux other than Firefox?Apr 01 23:20
DaemonFCKonqueror, Opera, Chromium (although wickedly Alpha!!!)Apr 01 23:20
DaemonFCEpiphanyApr 01 23:20
silentivmMidori, Opera, AroraApr 01 23:21
DaemonFCKazakheseApr 01 23:21
DaemonFCMidoriApr 01 23:21
silentivmEpiphany, Galeon (is that still alive?)Apr 01 23:21
DaemonFCEpiphany is the official GNOME browserApr 01 23:21
_Hicham_can these browsers compete with Firefox?Apr 01 23:21
DaemonFCEpiphany is superior to FirefoxApr 01 23:21
silentivm_Hicham_, if you don't need tons of extensions, yesApr 01 23:21
DaemonFCespecially in resource useApr 01 23:21
silentivmtoo bad that I can't live without NoScript and StumbleUponApr 01 23:21
DaemonFCnoscript?Apr 01 23:21
DaemonFCoh godApr 01 23:21
silentivmyesApr 01 23:21
_Hicham_I used Konqueror, Opera, Epiphany (Gecko and Webkit), Midori and KazehakazeApr 01 23:21
schestowitzLinspire's old CEO is being a loser again: http://kevincarmony.blogspot.com/2009/0...Apr 01 23:22
DaemonFCKevin Carmony is an assholeApr 01 23:22
DaemonFChe got fired, it happens to peopleApr 01 23:22
MinceR002958 < DaemonFC> KazakheseApr 01 23:22
DaemonFChe had a dickhead bossApr 01 23:22
_Hicham_DaemonFC : are u sure Epiphany is best?Apr 01 23:22
MinceRthat's KazehakaseApr 01 23:22
DaemonFCit happens to peopleApr 01 23:22
MinceRand there's also Links and DilloApr 01 23:22
_Hicham_there is NetSurfApr 01 23:23
DaemonFCDillo is not actively maintainedApr 01 23:23
DaemonFCand doesn't even support tables or CSSApr 01 23:23
_Hicham_the lowest on resourcesApr 01 23:23
_Hicham_did u use NetSurf?Apr 01 23:23
DaemonFCnopeApr 01 23:23
DaemonFCLynx B-)Apr 01 23:23
MinceR002926 < _Hicham_> is there a browser for Linux other than Firefox?Apr 01 23:23
DaemonFCLynx if you want low resourcesApr 01 23:23
DaemonFC:DApr 01 23:23
MinceRi don't see anything about tables or CSS hereApr 01 23:23
MinceRdo you?Apr 01 23:23
_Hicham_http://www.netsurf-browser.org/Apr 01 23:24
_Hicham_it is the lightest browser everApr 01 23:24
_Hicham_if u don't want to waste resourcesApr 01 23:24
schestowitzMicrosoft is hiring Linux devs: http://joostruis.blogspot.com/2009/0... http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutu... http://blog.commandlinekungfu.com/200... ;-)Apr 01 23:27
_Hicham_i don't know why this room get completely silent from time to timeApr 01 23:27
DaemonFCWhy would I need to use some balkanized web browser when I have 4 gigs of RAM and a Core 2 CPU?Apr 01 23:27
silentivmbecause I get annoyed with a single app eating 800+ MB RAM?Apr 01 23:27
DaemonFCEpiphany is a good dealApr 01 23:27
silentivmas I got Firefox to eat?Apr 01 23:27
_Hicham_Epiphany has a long way to goApr 01 23:27
DaemonFC115 megs and it's been open all dayApr 01 23:28
DaemonFCwith 17 tabs currently openApr 01 23:28
_Hicham_its lack of extensions support is horribleApr 01 23:28
DaemonFCthat's pretty decentApr 01 23:28
DaemonFCEpiphany supports extensionsApr 01 23:28
silentivmyepApr 01 23:28
DaemonFCjsut not the bloated crap Firefox doesApr 01 23:28
DaemonFCthat's a great way to cause memory leaksApr 01 23:28
schestowitzyay. http://gnuru.org/article/145... (Microsoft Open Sources Windows)Apr 01 23:28
DaemonFCFirefox extensionsApr 01 23:28
DaemonFCthey're usually poorly writtentApr 01 23:28
silentivmDaemonFC, yepApr 01 23:28
DaemonFC*writtenApr 01 23:28
silentivmif I disable extensions my FF gets less worseApr 01 23:29
_Hicham_DaemonFC : depends on extensions qualityApr 01 23:29
schestowitzUbuntu Format magazine: on sale now < http://tuxradar.com/content/u... >Apr 01 23:29
schestowitzIBM Buys Linus Torvalds < http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/en... >Apr 01 23:30
_Hicham_there is an extension for epiphany that sApr 01 23:31
_Hicham_doesnt work at allApr 01 23:31
_Hicham_it segfaults epiphanyApr 01 23:31
_Hicham_what would u say DaemonFC?Apr 01 23:31
schestowitzVery bad joke: Microsoft signs Linux compatibility deal < http://blogs.zdnet.com/open... >Apr 01 23:32
schestowitzLOL http://www.archlinux.org/news/440/ (Arch Dropping i686 support)Apr 01 23:32
MinceRgnApr 01 23:32
DaemonFC_Hicham_: Firefox extensions are suckass XULApr 01 23:33
DaemonFCscrew themApr 01 23:33
DaemonFCEpiphany's are CApr 01 23:33
schestowitzESR is still attacking the GPL in his own way... http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=904Apr 01 23:34
schestowitzJoke also: Finally Windows users can get Compiz easily!! < http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2009/04/01/... >Apr 01 23:35
schestowitzBERYL 0.2.1.0.0.0.0.0.1!!!!!!!! < http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2.... >Apr 01 23:36
schestowitzOOh boy..Apr 01 23:37
schestowitzThey deface Shuttleworth: Ubuntu to rewrite Linux kernel using Mono < http://tuxradar.com/content/ubuntu-re... >Apr 01 23:37
_Hicham_DaemonFC : Epiphany extensions are C and PythonApr 01 23:38
DaemonFCmeh, either is better than XULApr 01 23:38
Balrog_schestowitz: that sure is a jokeApr 01 23:38
_Hicham_C Extensions tend to crash moreApr 01 23:38
Balrog_mono runs way above the kernel, not the other way around :)Apr 01 23:38
schestowitzHere's Novell's joke: http://lizards.opensuse.org/2009...Apr 01 23:39
DaemonFCuhhm, noApr 01 23:39
DaemonFCit depends on how competent the programmer isApr 01 23:39
schestowitz*OpenSUSE rather (same thing alomost)Apr 01 23:39
DaemonFCit's impossible to write a good extension in XULApr 01 23:39
DaemonFCit's impossible to write a good _anything_ in XULApr 01 23:39
schestowitzBalrog: mono runs Away --abo-v---FROM  the kernelApr 01 23:39
schestowitzIt'll be shunned from BLAGApr 01 23:40
DaemonFCanyway, this is why Epiphany's official extensions have all been signed off on by the GNOME peopleApr 01 23:40
DaemonFCbut it supports any valid extension you want to addApr 01 23:40
Balrog_mono is comparable to java (though vastly inferior)Apr 01 23:40
DaemonFCJAVA is slowerApr 01 23:40
DaemonFCthat's the biggest differenceApr 01 23:40
Balrog_DaemonFC: no it isn't.Apr 01 23:40
DaemonFCmuch slowerApr 01 23:41
DaemonFCand takes more resourcesaApr 01 23:41
DaemonFC*resourcesApr 01 23:41
schestowitz_Hicham_: Episode 0x0A: A Guide to GPL Compliance < http://www.softwarefreedom.org/podca... >Apr 01 23:41
DaemonFCMono isn't bad aside from the whole "too close to MS" thingApr 01 23:41
DaemonFCJAVA is just bad because of how low quality JAVA isApr 01 23:41
DaemonFCregardless of licenseApr 01 23:41
Balrog_DaemonFC: yes it is.Apr 01 23:41
Balrog_it's Java messed upApr 01 23:41
DaemonFCSun makes bad stuffApr 01 23:41
DaemonFCperiodApr 01 23:42
Balrog_DaemonFC: like MySQL?Apr 01 23:42
DaemonFCyou can license a turd GPL 3Apr 01 23:42
DaemonFCit's still a turdApr 01 23:42
DaemonFCit will still never be anything more or lessApr 01 23:42
Balrog_DaemonFC: are you using java?Apr 01 23:42
DaemonFCnoApr 01 23:42
DaemonFCI won't even install itApr 01 23:42
Balrog_but you will install mono.Apr 01 23:42
DaemonFCnothing I need that badly uses it, so why have it?Apr 01 23:42
DaemonFCthat's removable tooApr 01 23:43
Balrog_<< but you will install itApr 01 23:43
Balrog_I didn't ask if it's removableApr 01 23:43
DaemonFCthere's two kinds of distrosApr 01 23:43
DaemonFCUbuntu is the "What the fuck, throw it in" typeApr 01 23:43
DaemonFCand Gnewsense is the Freetard "OMG cut out GLX!!!" typeApr 01 23:44
schestowitzJava is very high qualityApr 01 23:44
schestowitzBetter than .NET and Mono, by farApr 01 23:44
DaemonFCNovell is the "Let's rim Microsoft" distroApr 01 23:44
schestowitzAlmost the most ubiquitousApr 01 23:44
schestowitzYou just talk trash, DaemonFC Apr 01 23:44
DaemonFCIt's still a race to be the worlds tallest midgetApr 01 23:44
DaemonFCJava jsut sucksApr 01 23:44
Balrog_Everyone knows that big web sites use Java for the backend codeApr 01 23:44
Balrog_not MonoApr 01 23:44
DaemonFCwho cares?Apr 01 23:45
Balrog_remember the stock market thing with .NET?Apr 01 23:45
DaemonFCif they want to infect their system with JAVAApr 01 23:45
DaemonFCgood for themApr 01 23:45
DaemonFCit's their systemApr 01 23:45
Balrog_java is very self containedApr 01 23:45
Balrog_just a bunch of libraries, a runtime, and a compilerApr 01 23:45
DaemonFCdoesn't mean I want itApr 01 23:45
Balrog_well, you never coded in JavaApr 01 23:46
DaemonFCall Java will give me is tons of security vulnerabilitiesApr 01 23:46
Balrog_so you're not qualified to say that. I code in java :)Apr 01 23:46
DaemonFCand occasionally some web crapplet will trip itApr 01 23:46
Balrog_DaemonFC: proof???Apr 01 23:46
DaemonFCand make me spend 20 minutesApr 01 23:46
DaemonFCwhile it loads "Welcome to our site"Apr 01 23:46
Balrog_DaemonFC: disable java in web. Easy enough...Apr 01 23:46
Balrog_you use java like this: 'java app.class' or 'java -jar app.jar'Apr 01 23:46
DaemonFCyeah, there's no decent standalone apps that use JAVAApr 01 23:47
DaemonFCthere's always a superior C alternativeApr 01 23:47
Balrog_on my gentoo system, a java GUI app I've used runs much faster than any non-java appApr 01 23:47
Balrog_such asthis: http://www.lorbac.net/ ... only useful to certain people, but that includes meApr 01 23:47
Balrog_as this *Apr 01 23:47
Balrog_http://www.lorbac.net/index.php?option=c...Apr 01 23:47
schestowitzBallmer apologises for Windows < http://blogs.pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/tux... > "At the end of the hearing a still tearful Ballmer was lead from the courtroom clutching a stuffed penguin." That would still be animal abuseApr 01 23:48
Balrog_I was surprised at how fast it runsApr 01 23:48
Balrog_(when C-based apps are *slow*)Apr 01 23:48
Balrog_but this is gentooApr 01 23:48
DaemonFCthere's nothing Java can do faster than CApr 01 23:48
DaemonFCJava is orders of magnitude slower than CApr 01 23:49
DaemonFCso lesser programmers can avoid using things they don't understandApr 01 23:49
schestowitzDaemonFC: if you ridicule Ubuntu, then why are you in their channels?Apr 01 23:50
Balrog_DaemonFC: for repetitive code java runs fasterApr 01 23:50
Balrog_also Java is cross platformApr 01 23:50
schestowitzFlamebait/war: Why silence is better than 10 reasons< http://randomguy3.wordpress.com/2009/03... >Apr 01 23:50
Balrog_C /can be/ cross platformApr 01 23:50
schestowitzC *is*Apr 01 23:50
Balrog_but if you code bad, it won'tApr 01 23:50
schestowitzUnless it's EEEd by MSApr 01 23:51
Balrog_if you code specifically for Visual C++, it won't beApr 01 23:51
Balrog_but with C hardware can be accessed directly.Apr 01 23:51
Balrog_and it's not object-orientedApr 01 23:51
DaemonFCThe entire point behind C was portabilityApr 01 23:53
DaemonFCbut C gives you enough rope to hyang yourself withApr 01 23:53
DaemonFCJAVA jsut hangs any machine you run it on insteadApr 01 23:53
Balrog_DaemonFC: I find what you're saying very false.Apr 01 23:54
*Balrog_ programs javaApr 01 23:54
Balrog_in java *Apr 01 23:54
schestowitzFedora 11 has got a nice wallpaper: http://news.softpedia.com/newsIm...Apr 01 23:55
DaemonFCmmhm, in JAVA, performance is an afterthoughtApr 01 23:55
DaemonFCit's all for convenience of the programmerApr 01 23:55
schestowitzThe theme is darn ugly. Qt looks a lot betterApr 01 23:55
Balrog_not true.Apr 01 23:55
Balrog_(no one else who does java is here right now :/ )Apr 01 23:55
schestowitzDaemonFC: no, that would be MATLABApr 01 23:55
Balrog_yes, schestowitz is right.Apr 01 23:56
Balrog_At my school, all the researchers use matlabApr 01 23:56
Balrog_though I'm doing java, and it's greatApr 01 23:56
schestowitzYou can also take you work with youApr 01 23:58
schestowitzThe framework is FreeApr 01 23:59

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get ready
GNU/Linux is Already Mainstream, But Microsoft is Still Trying to Sabotage That With Illegal Activities and Malicious Campaigns of Lies
To help GNU/Linux grow we'll need to tackle tough issues and recognise Microsoft is a vicious obstacle
Slovenia's Adoption of GNU/Linux in 2024
Whatever the factor/s may be, if these figures are true, then it's something to keep an eye on in the future
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Saturday, May 18, 2024
IRC logs for Saturday, May 18, 2024
Links 19/05/2024: Profectus Beta 1.2
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Site Archives (Not WordPress)
We've finally finished the work
[Meme] The EPO Delusion
on New Ways of Working
EPO Representatives Outline Latest Attacks on Staff
Not much has happened recently in terms of industrial action
Links 18/05/2024: Revisiting the Harms of Patent Trolls, Google Tries to Bypass (or Plagiarise) Sites Under the Guise of "AI"
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Links 18/05/2024: BASIC Story, Site Feeds, and New in Geminispace
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GNU/Linux in Kyrgyzstan: From 0.5% to 5% in Eight Years
the country is almost the size of the UK
Justice for Victims of Online Abuse
The claims asserted or pushed forth by the harasser are categorically denied
[Meme] Senior Software Engineer for Windows
This is becoming like another Novell
Links 18/05/2024: Deterioration of the Net, North Korean IT Workers in the US
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Windows in Lebanon: Down to 12%?
latest from statCounter
[Video] 'Late Stage Capitalism': Microsoft as an Elaborate Ponzi Scheme (Faking 'Demand' While Portraying the Fraud as an Act of Generosity and Demanding Bailouts)
Being able to express or explain the facts isn't easy because of the buzzwords
Links 18/05/2024: Caledonia Emergency Powers, "UK Prosecutor's Office Went Too Far in the Assange Case"
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Microsoft ("a Dying Megacorporation that Does Not Create") and IBM: An Era of Dying Giants With Leadership Deficits and Corporate Bailouts (Subsidies From Taxpayers)
Microsoft seems to be resorting to lots of bribes and chasing of bailouts (i.e. money from taxpayers worldwide)
US Patent and Trademark Office Sends Out a Warning to People Who Do Not Use Microsoft's Proprietary Formats
They're punishing people who wish to use open formats
Links 18/05/2024: Fury in Microsoft Over Studio Shutdowns, More Gaming Layoffs
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Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Friday, May 17, 2024
IRC logs for Friday, May 17, 2024
Links 18/05/2024: KOReader, Benben v0.5.0 Progress Update, and More
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