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| oiaohm | allow torrent to keep on operating for a while without the central tracker. | Apr 17 14:02 |
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| oiaohm | It does not stop it. The effect is slowing. | Apr 17 14:02 |
| MinceR | yes, a new peer is slowed so far that he can't get a single address from the tracker. | Apr 17 14:03 |
| MinceR | downloads tend to be slow when you don't know who you can download from. | Apr 17 14:03 |
| MinceR | but it's also known as being completely stopped. :> | Apr 17 14:04 |
| oiaohm | User using a client with client to client interlinking would not be stoped. | Apr 17 14:05 |
| oiaohm | yes pure torrent client yes stoped. | Apr 17 14:05 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: do you recheck with sites you are downloading torrents from for messages about problmes with torrents. Most people don't. | Apr 17 14:07 |
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| MinceR | i don't | Apr 17 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Is it possiable to put suspect torrents on different tracker. So breaking it but allows it to be reconnected to it if you choose to proceed. Answer is yes. | Apr 17 14:09 |
| MinceR | but i do virus scan the stuff if it includes executables | Apr 17 14:09 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: it wouldn't be the case if you made it mandatory for all trackers to take it down. | Apr 17 14:10 |
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| oiaohm | Its time MinceR. | Apr 17 14:10 |
| oiaohm | To get a court order on something by the time you get it you could already have a very large infection. | Apr 17 14:11 |
| MinceR | (that is, if i intend to run those executables) | Apr 17 14:11 |
| oiaohm | Under providing care there was a lot of things TPB could have done. | Apr 17 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Simply choosing not to do anything. Really is lack of care. | Apr 17 14:13 |
| MinceR | actually they did a lot of things, just not about malware. :> | Apr 17 14:13 |
| oiaohm | malware is just something important to do something about. | Apr 17 14:14 |
| iwmw | how do you imagine them filtering manually every torrent | Apr 17 14:15 |
| oiaohm | There is only so much protection systems can do. With secuirty flaws time is a issue. | Apr 17 14:15 |
| oiaohm | They are many ways to do it iwmw | Apr 17 14:16 |
| iwmw | yeah, like a bot downloading every torrent and checking it for viruses and stuff | Apr 17 14:17 |
| iwmw | how much bandwidth is it? | Apr 17 14:17 |
| oiaohm | One is a set of trusted downloaders when they report respond. Ok not everything protected. At an attempt. | Apr 17 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Monitoring comments. | Apr 17 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Lot of comments on infected torrents would clearly appear marked as such. | Apr 17 14:18 |
| oiaohm | So yes no they did not have to download every torrent to be able to respond. | Apr 17 14:18 |
| iwmw | and what... it would lead to abuses | Apr 17 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Its like the kernel development tree. Over time you would have a list of people reporting problems who you could trust not to be lieing. | Apr 17 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Lieing there reports in future get disreguarded. | Apr 17 14:20 |
| iwmw | does tpb require registration? | Apr 17 14:20 |
| oiaohm | For there vpn service yes. | Apr 17 14:20 |
| iwmw | to post a comment | Apr 17 14:21 |
| oiaohm | I think so. | Apr 17 14:21 |
| oiaohm | This is my point there were options open to TPB. | Apr 17 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Choosing sit back let problems happen makes me hate them. | Apr 17 14:22 |
| oiaohm | If they hard tried something at least and failed I would have had no problem with them. | Apr 17 14:23 |
| iwmw | so what will you do when there are fake posts about viruses | Apr 17 14:23 |
| iwmw | in order to check whether they are fake yo gotta dl and check it for sure | Apr 17 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Someone has to. | Apr 17 14:24 |
| iwmw | so it's dl of every torrent in either case | Apr 17 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Someone that you trust. | Apr 17 14:24 |
| iwmw | yeah, a bot | Apr 17 14:24 |
| oiaohm | That is why setting up something like this without killing self with downlaods takes time. | Apr 17 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Also why suspect file most likely would be first move tracker to make people aware it suspect. | Apr 17 14:25 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: then the comments would be flooded with fake reports by the MAFIAA. | Apr 17 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Then when got a report from someone who over time has proven to be valid then removed. | Apr 17 14:26 |
| iwmw | in which way he becomes proven? | Apr 17 14:26 |
| MinceR | trusted users could vote that a given torrent is infected and it could be shown in the header. nothing more needs to be done. | Apr 17 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Actions. | Apr 17 14:26 |
| MinceR | just like good/bad torrents now. | Apr 17 14:26 |
| iwmw | how do you choose trusted users? | Apr 17 14:26 |
| MinceR | dunno, but they already do, afaik | Apr 17 14:27 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | oiaohm: you realize you are acting like a problem that the largest web sites on the planet (slashdot, you tube, etc.) wrestle with (user-submitted good vs. user-submitted bad) is some simple problem that TPB are idiots for not solving? | Apr 17 14:27 |
| MinceR | i've seen some icons, but never really cared | Apr 17 14:27 |
| iwmw | that's like explaining the sorting algorithm: | Apr 17 14:27 |
| schestowitz | Yup | Apr 17 14:28 |
| iwmw | a array of unsorted elements and b will contain a sorted | Apr 17 14:28 |
| oiaohm | ushimitsudoki1: no system is perfect. | Apr 17 14:28 |
| iwmw | we just put element by element there and it's sorted | Apr 17 14:28 |
| iwmw | idk how it's done... but they already do it | Apr 17 14:28 |
| oiaohm | The difference here is once people start downloading a torrent how often do they return to the tracking site. | Apr 17 14:29 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | oiaohm: so why the "hate"? TPB did implement trusted user icons. How far exactly should they go? Too far and they present the appearance that they are inspecting and sanctioning the uploads - which makes the "search engine" defense awful thin | Apr 17 14:29 |
| MinceR | iwmw: duh, just call sort() on it ;) | Apr 17 14:29 |
| iwmw | lol, i know many sorting algorithms | Apr 17 14:29 |
| iwmw | and prefer to use appropriate rather than lame sort() | Apr 17 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Note trusted users can also say the reverse ushimitsudoki1 | Apr 17 14:30 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | what reverse? | Apr 17 14:30 |
| oiaohm | That the mark of infection is wrong. | Apr 17 14:30 |
| iwmw | that's a lame bs | Apr 17 14:30 |
| iwmw | voting system and stuff | Apr 17 14:30 |
| iwmw | you either check it yourself or not | Apr 17 14:31 |
| iwmw | comments are quite enough to be aware | Apr 17 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Do you the big problem with check it yourself. | Apr 17 14:32 |
| oiaohm | If something is targeted to avoid the software you are using to check it can get past. | Apr 17 14:33 |
| MinceR | then write sw that can command multiple engines to check it | Apr 17 14:33 |
| iwmw | that's why you will check with diff software | Apr 17 14:33 |
| oiaohm | There are a large block of torrents that will not be infected and will not be damaged. | Apr 17 14:33 |
| MinceR | then you check it once and they'll have to bypass all of them | Apr 17 14:33 |
| MinceR | as for your "trusted users" idea -- how do you know they won't infiltrate that set? | Apr 17 14:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Most common thing that gives that way is conflit. | Apr 17 14:35 |
| oiaohm | Other thing do trust users have to be told they are. | Apr 17 14:35 |
| MinceR | also note that this takes a lot of effort and it is not the primary purpose of such a site. | Apr 17 14:35 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | When you have a web site that relies on user-submission and user-moderation, and you want to prevent system-gaming, you have an analogous problem to the situation where the user has encrypted data and the key (DRM). There is no good "solution". Acting like TPB fails here is ignorance. | Apr 17 14:35 |
| MinceR | if you're afraid of malware and can't handle it, don't download warez. | Apr 17 14:35 |
| iwmw | totally agree | Apr 17 14:36 |
| oiaohm | The sad part is most people who get infected though warez infect people who don't download warez. | Apr 17 14:37 |
| iwmw | you shouldn't kill wolves to feed the sheep | Apr 17 14:37 |
| oiaohm | They are the wolves. | Apr 17 14:37 |
| oiaohm | That are killing the sheep. | Apr 17 14:37 |
| iwmw | no, they are sheeps all | Apr 17 14:37 |
| MinceR | let's make them magically care about the computers of the others! | Apr 17 14:38 |
| iwmw | and those who produce infected stuff are wolves | Apr 17 14:38 |
| MinceR | oh, wait | Apr 17 14:38 |
| MinceR | also, let's make up analogies that make absolutely no sense | Apr 17 14:38 |
| *iwmw likes analogies | Apr 17 14:38 | |
| MinceR | iwmw: i demand a car analogy! | Apr 17 14:38 |
| MinceR | </slashdot> | Apr 17 14:39 |
| iwmw | i don't like cars too much | Apr 17 14:39 |
| iwmw | basically because roads here suck BIG TIME | Apr 17 14:39 |
| iwmw | you either try to evade the holes in the road or ride by rules and watch at signs | Apr 17 14:40 |
| oiaohm | Its like you have a supplier of defective breaks made by another maker and you do not expect him to stop or spend selling the defective breaks just because they don't have a court order MinceR. | Apr 17 14:40 |
| oiaohm | You asked for a car one MinceR | Apr 17 14:41 |
| MinceR | this item is whole, therefore it has a defective break | Apr 17 14:41 |
| MinceR | i need it fixed, i mean broken | Apr 17 14:41 |
| oiaohm | Yet is sold to you as a working Item same with many others. | Apr 17 14:43 |
| oiaohm | And you are all at 1 place reporting problem. | Apr 17 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Should that go without action. | Apr 17 14:43 |
| oiaohm | It not acceptable in normal business so why is it acceptable just because its online. | Apr 17 14:44 |
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| MinceR | does TPB sell anything as working items? no they don't | Apr 17 14:47 |
| MinceR | if you searched for something on google or yahoo! and found a page that has errors on it, would you think it right to sue google or yahoo! for it? | Apr 17 14:48 |
| MinceR | would you expect them to remove it from their index? | Apr 17 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Errors no. | Apr 17 14:49 |
| oiaohm | Infected ie harmful warning at min. Removals do happen from there indexs over infections. | Apr 17 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Google and Yahoo will both act on reports from Anti-virus companies without court orders. | Apr 17 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Even MS live search will. | Apr 17 14:52 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, did you're wiki have any problems? | Apr 17 14:52 |
| oiaohm | TPB in reguard to viruses and malware they are not the norm for a search site. | Apr 17 14:53 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: Nope | Apr 17 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Just a spammer | Apr 17 14:53 |
| schestowitz | No more problem than Wikipedia's when someone valdalises an article. Why do you ask? | Apr 17 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Also, it was part of an experiment from some university as I understand it | Apr 17 14:54 |
| trmanco | http://www.boycottnovell.com/wiki... | Apr 17 14:54 |
| trmanco | http://graffiti.cs.brown.edu/1b08ca2a21... | Apr 17 14:54 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, the troll's post caught my attention on GG | Apr 17 14:55 |
| schestowitz | Well, trolls | Apr 17 14:56 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK, they too could vandalise any Wiki | Apr 17 14:56 |
| schestowitz | That's what Wikis do | Apr 17 14:56 |
| oiaohm | And that is what off line backups are for. | Apr 17 14:56 |
| trmanco | I've read that you should implement a captcha | Apr 17 14:57 |
| trmanco | yeah, it's some kind of a university experiment | Apr 17 14:58 |
| oiaohm | More a experiment how to make a really annoying virus. | Apr 17 15:02 |
| oiaohm | Stuff like that should always be contained in a lab. | Apr 17 15:02 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: what if it triggers a browser bug that makes it crash or delete data? :> | Apr 17 15:02 |
| trmanco | the guy explains that the wiki need a good captcha system | Apr 17 15:03 |
| oiaohm | http://recaptcha.net Could also be tracking. | Apr 17 15:05 |
| schestowitz | Parts of this document < http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalversio... > appear to have borrowed some observations and quotes from sites like Groklaw, BN, and Comes case, but then again, there's lots of intersection (and place for reuse). | Apr 17 15:05 |
| oiaohm | I always hate central point solutions. | Apr 17 15:06 |
| oiaohm | what happens if recaptcha site gets dos attacked. | Apr 17 15:06 |
| iwmw | hehe it will be funny | Apr 17 15:07 |
| oiaohm | Central point equals nice single point of failure. | Apr 17 15:07 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: we already require registration having been spammed before | Apr 17 15:07 |
| schestowitz | But the Wiki is hardly public | Apr 17 15:07 |
| oiaohm | We are getting more and more of them. | Apr 17 15:07 |
| oiaohm | Like google and yahoo web apis. | Apr 17 15:07 |
| schestowitz | It's not mentioned in BN because it's work in progress | Apr 17 15:07 |
| schestowitz | I might get help | Apr 17 15:07 |
| schestowitz | "e've already started tracking them down (I enlisted some helpers :o). It's probably going to take some time, but how vastly annoying would it be to Microsoft's minions to have that information in one place, for the world to see? Organizing it all will be the toughest part, I think." | Apr 17 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Sony-Ericsson calls time on another 2,000 jobs < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... > | Apr 17 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Thanks to the police I feel safer. Police delete London tourists' photos 'to prevent terrorism' < http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/16/... > | Apr 17 15:17 |
| schestowitz | A win for LaTeX: http://everyone.plos.org/2009/03/24/late... | Apr 17 15:19 |
| schestowitz | http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/0... "...idiotic Pirate Bay ruling - these were links, people, you know, just like Google - there's a silver lining of sorts." | Apr 17 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Google Is Facing Wrath Of Korean Government Over Snub Of Internet Law < http://www.siliconvalleywatcher.com/mt/archives/... > | Apr 17 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Second Life (open source) keeps growing: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/fe... | Apr 17 15:26 |
| oiaohm | who says google does no good. | Apr 17 15:29 |
| *tacone gmail down ? | Apr 17 15:29 | |
| tacone | TPB users sharing files via email. | Apr 17 15:30 |
| oiaohm | That would create a nice electronic trail. | Apr 17 15:31 |
| iwmw | tacone, it's not safe to share files via email nowadays | Apr 17 15:34 |
| tacone | that was a joke. | Apr 17 15:34 |
| tacone | http://bash.org/modapp/ | Apr 17 15:35 |
| tacone | ops | Apr 17 15:35 |
| tacone | sorry | Apr 17 15:35 |
| tacone | bad window :) | Apr 17 15:35 |
| oiaohm | I would not be supprised if some will not be that dumb when TPB is down. | Apr 17 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Sharing files is OK | Apr 17 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Like CC-licensed music | Apr 17 15:38 |
| schestowitz | By E-mail it's fine too | Apr 17 15:38 |
| tacone | TPB shuold have filed their appeal before the sentence coming out. | Apr 17 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Windows zombies' carbon footprint worse Than millions of cars < http://www.internetnews.com/security/arti... > | Apr 17 15:40 |
| schestowitz | tacone: and what if the jury'judge were bought? | Apr 17 15:41 |
| tacone | ? | Apr 17 15:41 |
| tacone | filing the appeal before the sentence coming out would have just put more relief on the sentence leaking | Apr 17 15:41 |
| tacone | it probably would have not had any legal value. | Apr 17 15:42 |
| schestowitz | Nice demo of Lancelot: http://polishlinux.org/kde/lancelo... | Apr 17 15:42 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Apr 17 15:43 |
| tacone | bb | Apr 17 15:43 |
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| trmanco | Microsoft Software - 1 Billion Users per Day, 500 Million Pirates: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microso... | Apr 17 17:11 |
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| trmanco | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... | Apr 17 17:14 |
| trmanco | http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-148135/w... | Apr 17 17:16 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: Mirosoft LOVES 'pirates' | Apr 17 17:37 |
| schestowitz | It built its business on it | Apr 17 17:37 |
| trmanco | yeah I know | Apr 17 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Now it wants blowback, payback | Apr 17 17:38 |
| tacone | like Adobe. | Apr 17 17:38 |
| trmanco | só it's 50 / 50 | Apr 17 17:38 |
| schestowitz | And it pretends it could be where it is without giveaways | Apr 17 17:38 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I've just told SFLC: "Alan Cox has been a supporter of GPLv3 since the beginning AFAIK (based on two interviews)" | Apr 17 17:38 |
| schestowitz | I think it's a dead-end with Linus | Apr 17 17:38 |
| schestowitz | He won't let RMS show any sign of control | Apr 17 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | GPLv3 has some serious problems | Apr 17 17:39 |
| tacone | couldn't they be waiting for purpouse | Apr 17 17:40 |
| tacone | ? | Apr 17 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | Torvalds is right, he has no interest in controlling what Tivo does as relates to their hardware box as long as he gets back anything they do to the kernel | Apr 17 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | why should he care what Tivo does to their box? | Apr 17 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | There's MythTV, if people care that Tivo is doing naughty things they can use MythTV | Apr 17 17:41 |
| schestowitz | It's not about tivo now | Apr 17 17:41 |
| schestowitz | It's about patents | Apr 17 17:41 |
| tacone | sadly GPL3 includes both. | Apr 17 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | even without the kernel, they can make most of the GNU utilities GPLv3 | Apr 17 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of them don't link to the kernel | Apr 17 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, the GPLv3 is weak and ineffective as relates to Novell | Apr 17 17:43 |
| schestowitz | tacone: too bad, eh? :-) | Apr 17 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | cause they have a loophole built into it | Apr 17 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Just for Novell | Apr 17 17:43 |
| tacone | schestowitz: it's kind of take or leave | Apr 17 17:43 |
| schestowitz | It prevented more such deals | Apr 17 17:43 |
| tacone | mono btw is GPL2 with explicit clause preventing it to be distributed as gpl3. | Apr 17 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think they should have made any exceptions because it still allows someone to be otu there doing it | Apr 17 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | they jsut gave Novell an advantage over everyone else | Apr 17 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | cause now they can do whatever they want with Microsoft and such and nobody else can | Apr 17 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | GPLv3 is like saying "You robbed a bank, now we made a law against robbing banks, but you can do it all you want from now on, but if anyone else robs banks, it's illegal" | Apr 17 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Linus gave me a long answer | Apr 17 17:46 |
| tacone | OT: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/a... | Apr 17 17:46 |
| schestowitz | tacone: interesting that Mark calls it Free softwar | Apr 17 17:47 |
| tacone | it is, beside some little binary metastasis :-) | Apr 17 17:48 |
| tacone | I’ve spoken with folks at Novell, and it doesn’t look like there’s an opportunity to coordinate for the moment. In conversations with Steve McIntyre, the current Debian Project Leader, we’ve identified an interesting opportunity to collaborate. | Apr 17 17:48 |
| woofy | schestowitz, what was the answer? | Apr 17 17:48 |
| schestowitz | haven't read it yet | Apr 17 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Hold on. | Apr 17 17:48 |
| schestowitz | I'm just atching up with stugg | Apr 17 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | unfortunately too many free software projects are religious, and not necessarily about free software. They get so used to smelling their own farts that the process becomes enjoyable and they just stay at home sampling their own odors. Mark Shuttleworth just strikes me like that | Apr 17 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Got to go to the gym in a moment too | Apr 17 17:49 |
| tacone | DaemonFC: lol | Apr 17 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Pheeeeyyy!! "I’ve spoken with folks at Novell,.." | Apr 17 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Why not speak to Sweaty Steve directly? | Apr 17 17:50 |
| woofy | steve balmer? | Apr 17 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | they think that because an idea came from them it's inherently better than anyone elses, and even if there's a demand for "Hey, the other guys have some neat stuff too!", they ignore it | Apr 17 17:50 |
| schestowitz | woofy: yes | Apr 17 17:50 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: sounds like projection to me. | Apr 17 17:51 |
| tacone | I don't think so. | Apr 17 17:51 |
| tacone | the short release cycle came by gnome afaik. | Apr 17 17:52 |
| tacone | ubuntu is always released 1 month after gnome. | Apr 17 17:52 |
| schestowitz | I'll reply to Linus, but he makes a strong case | Apr 17 17:52 |
| schestowitz | He hates the FSF/SFLC | Apr 17 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | Which is why you always have to upgrade to unofficial KDE packages in Kubuntu and those may do all kinds of awful things | Apr 17 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | but they're too tempting to resist | Apr 17 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | cause Ubuntu does not do KDE well | Apr 17 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | or let me rephrase that, sometimes it comes out OK, but it was never their concern that it did | Apr 17 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 17 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | Well take Adept for example, there's just never been a good KDE frontend for Debian package management, most people that use Debian or Ubuntu end up installing Synaptic because it's the only competent frontend to apt | Apr 17 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | now they're doing KPackageKit, and the fact that that's an improvement shows how bad Adept was | Apr 17 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, I would have rather seen them just redo Synaptic with QT bindings | Apr 17 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | I think that would have gone over well | Apr 17 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | The problem of package management is the visible chunk of wheel re-inventing on Linux. Here it's obvious that there's at least two dozen variations on the wheel and every proprietor is trying to reinvent them all at the same time | Apr 17 17:58 |
| balzac | -_- | Apr 17 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | KPackageKit is just a Least Common Denominator that manages to crawl out of the FreeDesktop pit | Apr 17 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | or Packagekit for that matter | Apr 17 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | It misses advanced features so that it becomes truly as bad with everyone's packaging backend | Apr 17 17:59 |
| woofy | i just wanted to install debian... | Apr 17 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | Any desktop you want as long as it's GNOME :) | Apr 17 18:06 |
| woofy | im just a bit tired of mandriva | Apr 17 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | Python is the next to commit suicide | Apr 17 18:07 |
| woofy | what's so bad about py? | Apr 17 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | "We won't be maintaining 3.0, it's just there to shake out ideas for 3.5" | Apr 17 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | Everyone will start using 3.0 and we'll be stuck with it forever | Apr 17 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 17 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | I'm gonna be making a video of calling my senator's local office | Apr 17 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 17 18:12 |
| woofy | why do you call there? | Apr 17 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | Employee Free Choice Act | Apr 17 18:13 |
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| schestowitz | OK, I've got to go | Apr 17 18:22 |
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| DaemonFC | tware | Apr 17 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | it updated itself and crapped out :P | Apr 17 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | errr, oops | Apr 17 18:30 |
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| woofy | twill be funny if someone cracks tpb site and inserts his donation button there | Apr 17 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Just responded to a long E-mail from Linus, urging him (maybe in vain) to consider GPLv3 | Apr 17 18:35 |
| tacone | what did linus says in the long mail ? | Apr 17 18:35 |
| schestowitz | I'll write about it later | Apr 17 18:35 |
| schestowitz | I've got to go | Apr 17 18:36 |
| tacone | bb | Apr 17 18:36 |
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| trmanco | "Don't worry - we're from the internets. It's going to be alright. :-) " | Apr 17 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: where from? :-) | Apr 17 20:23 |
| trmanco | piratebay | Apr 17 20:23 |
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| schestowitz | Google FUD: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1... | Apr 17 20:26 |
| tacone | on the homepage :-D | Apr 17 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Someone says: "Notice how he equates Google to doneky porn and how on bly MS can protect the kids through the use of OPEN standards. It's the compination of technobabel and abuse that's the give away" | Apr 17 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Did you see the Endershit article in Google this week? | Apr 17 20:26 |
| schestowitz | They attack Google, not just Apple and Linux now | Apr 17 20:26 |
| schestowitz | They also attack GPLv3 | Apr 17 20:26 |
| Balrog | URL? | Apr 17 20:26 |
| schestowitz | The Linux migration to another licence can start *somewhere*; Cox already supports it and RHT too (maybe Intel)... I'm probably just ruining my access to Linus by raising this issue, but he can't stay on an old licence forever and he knows it | Apr 17 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: all sorts os place | Apr 17 20:27 |
| Balrog | ok. | Apr 17 20:27 |
| schestowitz | *places | Apr 17 20:27 |
| schestowitz | I have another one coming | Apr 17 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft lawyer (it was a client of their in Europe) attacks the GPL now | Apr 17 20:28 |
| schestowitz | And they bullies Matt Asay for riaising it | Apr 17 20:28 |
| schestowitz | *raising. http://twitter.com/mjasay/stat... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-102202... | Apr 17 20:28 |
| Balrog | Linus will have to move to GPLv3 eventually. those who contribute to the kernel should write in their code that 'this file is licensed under the GPLv2 OR LATER' | Apr 17 20:28 |
| schestowitz | I've had no time to write about this because of meetings. I'll catch up tomorrow | Apr 17 20:28 |
| Balrog | ok. | Apr 17 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Is http://comicsdc.blogspot.com/2009/04... Dan DiDio reltaed to Laura Didio by any chance? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&... | Apr 17 20:32 |
| schestowitz | brb | Apr 17 20:32 |
| MinceR | hm, apparently gnome-do is using mono, too :/ | Apr 17 20:32 |
| tacone | apparently ? | Apr 17 20:33 |
| tacone | miguel icaza declares his team 'busy at supporting banshee, tomboy, gnome-do' | Apr 17 20:33 |
| tacone | (in the linuxoutlaws interview schestowitz cited some day ago) | Apr 17 20:34 |
| MinceR | well, i just noticed when looking at htop | Apr 17 20:34 |
| tacone | yes that sucks. and no good alternative exist. | Apr 17 20:35 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 17 20:36 |
| MinceR | though my desktop is already a bastard hybrid of gnome and kde... | Apr 17 20:36 |
| MinceR | apparently i can run krunner under gnome | Apr 17 20:39 |
| MinceR | but it isn't as good as i had hoped | Apr 17 20:39 |
| tacone | seems like someone shoot in his own feets. http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-party-... | Apr 17 20:39 |
| MinceR | gnome-do seems to be more powerful | Apr 17 20:41 |
| MinceR | i hope the Pirate Party wins the next election -- maybe there will be a nice place to move to after all | Apr 17 20:42 |
| MinceR | in europe | Apr 17 20:42 |
| tacone | the goal is to have 1 deputy. so not that change. but good nonetheless. | Apr 17 20:43 |
| tacone | it's about EU elections, not Swedish. | Apr 17 20:43 |
| MinceR | oh, i've completely misread | Apr 17 20:43 |
| tacone | that make sense, as EU is quite influent in those matters. | Apr 17 20:44 |
| MinceR | even 1 deputy means there will be 1 person in the european parliament who has some clue about freedom | Apr 17 20:44 |
| tacone | right. | Apr 17 20:44 |
| tacone | and he can make friends :) | Apr 17 20:44 |
| MinceR | unlike the majority that has to be screamed at to realize that sw patents only make the eu a vassal of the usian megacorps | Apr 17 20:44 |
| MinceR | Banana Union | Apr 17 20:44 |
| tacone | lol | Apr 17 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | South America is moving to Linux | Apr 17 20:56 |
| tacone | many weak countries are. | Apr 17 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Maybe DonkeyBallmer will go down south soon and pull another Banana Republic like Nixon or whoever reigned at the time. | Apr 17 20:57 |
| tacone | they're not corrupted enough, and cannot throw their money away | Apr 17 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft or the other Banana Republic? | Apr 17 20:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l... | Apr 17 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Trollticle: "THE RAPID RISE of Russian PC demand over recent years has been fuelled not so much by vodka as by easy access to credit." http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news... | Apr 17 21:01 |
| trmanco | wtf "The judge also stated that the usage of BitTorrent at The Pirate Bay is illegal. Rest assured, other torrent sites hosted in Sweden will be keeping a close eye on developments." | Apr 17 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Spiegel covered the software patents protests in Germany, sorta: http://www.spiegel.de/internati... | Apr 17 21:08 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: "sage of BitTorrent at The Pirate Bay is illegal" | Apr 17 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Funny. I didn't know the site used torrent | Apr 17 21:08 |
| schestowitz | I thought it used port 25 for HTML | Apr 17 21:08 |
| trmanco | 25 for html? | Apr 17 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 17 21:09 |
| schestowitz | They serve Web pages | Apr 17 21:09 |
| schestowitz | People just use a protocols | Apr 17 21:09 |
| trmanco | through port 80 | Apr 17 21:09 |
| schestowitz | They can try to kill ports, they can't kill commos | Apr 17 21:09 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, my bad | Apr 17 21:09 |
| schestowitz | 25 is mail IIRC | Apr 17 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Wasn't it? | Apr 17 21:09 |
| trmanco | :-P | Apr 17 21:09 |
| schestowitz | SMTP? | Apr 17 21:09 |
| trmanco | don't recall | Apr 17 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Well, you could use any port for HTML | Apr 17 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Not default | Apr 17 21:10 |
| schestowitz | I use 81 on my PC | Apr 17 21:10 |
| Balrog | yes, port 25 is smtp but they're moving away from it | Apr 17 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Why? | Apr 17 21:10 |
| trmanco | yeah, append site.com:[port] | Apr 17 21:10 |
| schestowitz | I dread this: | Apr 17 21:10 |
| Balrog | because of open relays | Apr 17 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Like Mozilla says GMail makes Thunderbird obsolete | Apr 17 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Whhich is is nonsense unless stupid universities offshore E-mail | Apr 17 21:10 |
| schestowitz | They could try to phase out E-mail | Apr 17 21:11 |
| schestowitz | And create something more centralise they can scan more easily | Apr 17 21:11 |
| schestowitz | This is outrageous. Watch what software patents are doing even to charities: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Apac... | Apr 17 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: they should fight Windows zombies (or Windows), not open relays that just do what they are supposed to | Apr 17 21:14 |
| Balrog | I know :/ | Apr 17 21:15 |
| Balrog | here they offshore email :( | Apr 17 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Adam Williamson defends Ubuntu from advisories this time around: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_sto... | Apr 17 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: they mustn't | Apr 17 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Or... | Apr 17 21:17 |
| schestowitz | They should allow people to out opt | Apr 17 21:17 |
| schestowitz | They turn young people to customers of a company they collude with | Apr 17 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Not only Microsoft, assuming they use WIndows and Office and force its use | Apr 17 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Not to mention OOXML shackles | Apr 17 21:18 |
| schestowitz | I don't understand why Sam attacks Ubuntu..... :--( http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php... | Apr 17 21:18 |
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| Balrog | the CIS department runs their own servers. They refuse to give away control. But the main computer people do what they feel like. They give faculty Exchange ActiveSync accounts (without POP or IMAP, apparently, but I can't be sure) and students gmail | Apr 17 21:19 |
| Balrog | I can't tell them what to do :X | Apr 17 21:20 |
| schestowitz | WOT? Byfield now writes for LinuxMag, but he's talking badly about a successful contest: http://www.heraldbanner.com/local/... | Apr 17 21:22 |
| schestowitz | He said he stopped advocating | Apr 17 21:22 |
| schestowitz | But what's he on about? The contest made lots of good Linux adverts | Apr 17 21:23 |
| tacone | where's the link of sam's ? | Apr 17 21:23 |
| tacone | nevermind, found | Apr 17 21:24 |
| schestowitz | More garbage (link is a rebuttal to) from the provocative writers: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_stor... | Apr 17 21:24 |
| schestowitz | It's silly what he did | Apr 17 21:25 |
| schestowitz | And he once wrote to me complainting about my headline | Apr 17 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Specifically because of this headline: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/... | Apr 17 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Some SUSEr from identica got upset by a comment of mine about SUSE | Apr 17 21:27 |
| schestowitz | They tend to forget that both suse and opensuse are novell trademarks (and projects likewise) | Apr 17 21:28 |
| schestowitz | SUSE is dying, slowly | Apr 17 21:28 |
| schestowitz | The amount of volunteers I find in opensuse declines | Apr 17 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Even Germans are moving to Debian/buntu | Apr 17 21:28 |
| schestowitz | An age of dying IP and.... the cryptic process of ACTA (like MAFTA) tells you how afraid they are now. Like MS and FAT... | Apr 17 21:30 |
| tacone | "Who’s that fourth chap we don’t know?" lol | Apr 17 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Happy hacking: Administration to release Bush-era interrogation memos < http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS... > | Apr 17 21:32 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I wrote it in a hurry | Apr 17 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Even using IRC | Apr 17 21:32 |
| schestowitz | And it annoyed a lot of people | Apr 17 21:32 |
| tacone | very nice :) | Apr 17 21:32 |
| schestowitz | EnterpriseBunutu.. IP Edition | Apr 17 21:33 |
| tacone | BananaBuntu | Apr 17 21:33 |
| tacone | i like Ubuntu but sam is not that wrong, btw. | Apr 17 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Well, I know... but he puts it poorly | Apr 17 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Because it's seen as aggravation | Apr 17 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Like my hastily chosen headline | Apr 17 21:34 |
| schestowitz | I gave Shattleworth a lot of trouble, not because of I wanted to: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/os... | Apr 17 21:34 |
| schestowitz | In general, it's nice of him to respond to things I write. He's now saying "Free software" :-) :-) | Apr 17 21:35 |
| tacone | i remember sabdfl blogging about the ms codecs thing. | Apr 17 21:35 |
| schestowitz | When you see a girl's name adding you to twitter, then it's often a bot, based on experience: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2... | Apr 17 21:37 |
| schestowitz | sabdfl? | Apr 17 21:37 |
| tacone | sabdfl = shuttleworth nick. | Apr 17 21:38 |
| schestowitz | How will cable companies stop this? http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/... Thinner 'pines'? | Apr 17 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Does it have a meaning this abbr? | Apr 17 21:39 |
| schestowitz | hehe. http://www.blogicalthoughts.co... | Apr 17 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Google offers free music downloads in China < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/BUSINESS... > Hard competition for the MAFIAA. | Apr 17 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Is it NSA or is it SA? "NSA Broke New Eavesdropping Law" < http://blog.wired.com/27bstrok... > | Apr 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Can a customer return the Kindle to the shop claiming it is defective (by design)? http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/n... | Apr 17 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Twitter's 'special' friend gets award for malicious hacking: Twitter worm author gets security job < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... > | Apr 17 21:53 |
| tacone | facebook governance: http://apps.facebook.com/fbsitevote... | Apr 17 22:07 |
| schestowitz | For a moment there I thought it was about the government governing this thing, which it is in the sense that it's spying tool | Apr 17 22:10 |
| tacone | rumors about fbi using it :) brr | Apr 17 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | Troll headline: Red Hat pulls a Microsoft, goes after the channel < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1... > | Apr 17 22:18 |
| schestowitz | tacone: not rumour, true, AFAIK | Apr 17 22:18 |
| schestowitz | The British police IIRC uses it | Apr 17 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Why investigate how people relate to one another when it's all out there online | Apr 17 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Once again that Black F*Duck software Microsoft offshoot is used as a spokesman for FOSS (Black Duck is proprietary): http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-sou... | Apr 17 22:20 |
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| tacone | do they have admin access ? | Apr 17 22:24 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm | Apr 17 22:29 |
| PetoKraus | the TPB thing is sad | Apr 17 22:29 |
| PetoKraus | very very very sad | Apr 17 22:29 |
| schestowitz | tacone: you use WordPress. This site < http://www.cmswire.com/cms/web-cms... > says you should bow to DeIcaKa. | Apr 17 22:30 |
| tacone | Mark Shuttleworth - The founder of Canonical, Ltd., and patron of Ubuntu and KDE | Apr 17 22:30 |
| schestowitz | He's all right | Apr 17 22:31 |
| schestowitz | I like Mark Shuttleworth | Apr 17 22:31 |
| tacone | kde ? | Apr 17 22:31 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes | Apr 17 22:31 |
| schestowitz | tacone: notice how that same site puts Microsoft at top of Linux contribs IIRC | Apr 17 22:32 |
| schestowitz | If it's not idiotic trolling, I don't know what is | Apr 17 22:32 |
| tacone | ignorance ? | Apr 17 22:32 |
| schestowitz | And many people miss the point that interoperability is codeword for patents, it's not standards. | Apr 17 22:32 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I dunno | Apr 17 22:32 |
| schestowitz | That site seemingly cropped up out of nowhere. | Apr 17 22:33 |
| schestowitz | But I can see the logic | Apr 17 22:33 |
| schestowitz | The page says "people who contributed the most to open source" (IIRC) | Apr 17 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Now, if Microsoft is a top contributor, then de IcaKa maybe fits in there. | Apr 17 22:34 |
| tacone | seems just the yet another wanna-be-a-rich-blogger to me | Apr 17 22:34 |
| schestowitz | There are no rich blogegrs | Apr 17 22:34 |
| schestowitz | There are those who are poor bloggers and those who are faking it | Apr 17 22:34 |
| schestowitz | And those who like Om Malik AstroTurf for Microsoft | Apr 17 22:35 |
| schestowitz | []"People-ready" fiasco] | Apr 17 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Michael Larabel gets lots of schwag -- h/w to review | Apr 17 22:35 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if eh auctions it on eBay or something. | Apr 17 22:35 |
| schestowitz | He told me he's got heaps of spare h/w around his house | Apr 17 22:35 |
| schestowitz | This chap, http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-... (Savio Rodrigues), wants to turn FOSS to proprietary money machine. I don't get his mental approach to it, but then again he works for IBM, so -- ha! | Apr 17 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Aw God.. Slahshdot entertains an Apple+MSFT shareholder who trolls FOSS: http://news.slashdot.org/article... | Apr 17 22:39 |
| schestowitz | So much coverage for Ubuntu RC, but my beloved Mandriva gets no media attention for RC2 :-( | Apr 17 22:46 |
| tacone | well | Apr 17 22:47 |
| tacone | ubuntu catches all attention. | Apr 17 22:47 |
| tacone | we're even lucky in that. it may be fedora, or suse. | Apr 17 22:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.embedded.com/products/... <- this is for Symbian, a software patent lobbyists from a DRM-loving and Ogg-hating company | Apr 17 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Better Canonical than Red Hat, I guess. Absolute Power corrupts Absolutely | Apr 17 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat would have Hubris had it controlled the desktop the way it already dominated back rooms. | Apr 17 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Time for nemesis to pay Linux a visit and remind Ubuntu to play Free | Apr 17 22:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS... Motorola debunks Android STB rumors and nonetheless, Motorola is a big Linux user | Apr 17 22:55 |
| tacone | Android has binary metastasis. | Apr 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | And yet another processor module is all about Linux: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news... | Apr 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, I told Linus | Apr 17 22:57 |
| tacone | and while they'd like to free it completely | Apr 17 22:57 |
| tacone | i found one it's like to stay | Apr 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Apple fanbois toss dirt at Android today | Apr 17 22:57 |
| tacone | and may even present binary distribution problems | Apr 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Saying it ain't open | Apr 17 22:58 |
| tacone | (should check the license) | Apr 17 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Symbianokia does the same thing | Apr 17 22:58 |
| MinceR | wow | Apr 17 22:58 |
| MinceR | like the jesusPhone was open | Apr 17 22:58 |
| tacone | http://www.stefanoforenza.com/ea... | Apr 17 22:58 |
| schestowitz | If we use Android is our flag-holder, this is TROUBLE | Apr 17 22:58 |
| tacone | look for the update | Apr 17 22:58 |
| schestowitz | tacone: good work | Apr 17 22:58 |
| schestowitz | BTW, use the refs from Garret | Apr 17 22:58 |
| schestowitz | See what Matthew Garrett wrote about Android, which is hardly what people are led to believe < http://mjg59.livejournal.com... >. There is also work on Trusted Computing, which is quietly being applied to Linux. | Apr 17 22:59 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about this in BN | Apr 17 22:59 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm told me | Apr 17 22:59 |
| schestowitz | About a TC-like mechanism | Apr 17 22:59 |
| tacone | i see, that's the real difference from openmoko | Apr 17 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Oh!penMoko | Apr 17 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Some AdroidBot is echoing my messages :-S | Apr 17 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Great film my mom just mailed me: http://www.flixxy.com/game-of-survival.htm | Apr 17 23:11 |
| schestowitz | High-def-ish | Apr 17 23:11 |
| tacone | ubuntu netbook remix = fail | Apr 17 23:18 |
| schestowitz | It's not out yet AFAIK | Apr 17 23:19 |
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| tacone | the RC is. | Apr 17 23:45 |
| amarsh04 | TPB case was mentioned on radio this morning http://www.abc.net.au/am/ (transcripts/recordings available later) | Apr 17 23:46 |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: I can imagine whose side a radio would take | Apr 17 23:49 |
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| oiaohm | Hi everyone. | Apr 17 23:57 |
| amarsh04 | It sounded fair enough schestowitz | Apr 17 23:58 |
| amarsh04 | hi oiaohm | Apr 17 23:58 |
