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schestowitzJust like ti deceived many about sub-notebooksApr 30 11:49
schestowitzTo scare OEMsApr 30 11:49
schestowitzCanonical respondedApr 30 11:49
DaemonFCMicrosoft thrives by hiding how much money you are paying them into the cost of the equipment you buyApr 30 11:49
schestowitzIt's the old "get the facts" routineApr 30 11:49
schestowitzLie, lie, and lieApr 30 11:49
oiaohmMicrosoft cost is also off set with crap ware.Apr 30 11:50
DaemonFCno, that would be OEM crapwareApr 30 11:50
DaemonFCMicrosoft isn't real thrilled about thatApr 30 11:50
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DaemonFCI can't blame themApr 30 11:50
oiaohmOEM only do it because windows costs too much.Apr 30 11:50
DaemonFCWhatever Vista doesn't screw up, you have a dancing circus of shit from your OEM that makes Windows look even worse than it isApr 30 11:51
DaemonFCNorton anyone?Apr 30 11:51
oiaohmAlso MS allows OEM to supply the crap ware embeded in the installer disk.Apr 30 11:51
oiaohmSo when you reinstall you get it all back.Apr 30 11:51
DaemonFCno, they can't stop themApr 30 11:51
oiaohmYes they can.Apr 30 11:51
DaemonFCif they did there's be some kind of a lawsuitApr 30 11:52
oiaohmThey can legally require installer disk to be provided as is.Apr 30 11:52
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DaemonFC"Microsoft is blocking our bullshit from pre-infecting Windows, boohoo!!!!"Apr 30 11:52
DaemonFC:)Apr 30 11:52
oiaohmSo then they would have to provide 2 disks not 1.Apr 30 11:52
oiaohmIe 1 infected with crap one not.Apr 30 11:52
MinceRthey're thinking about fixing a sechole that's been around for 14 years already? :>Apr 30 11:53
DaemonFCor one with the trialware installersApr 30 11:53
DaemonFCand let the user decideApr 30 11:53
MinceR(autorun)Apr 30 11:53
oiaohmExactly.Apr 30 11:53
DaemonFCwhich removes their reason for doing itApr 30 11:53
schestowitzA GUI for ffmpeg < http://www.linuxjournal.com/vide... > CoolApr 30 11:53
oiaohmIf MS was truly upset by it they could do something.Apr 30 11:53
oiaohmBy doing nothing they support it.Apr 30 11:54
DaemonFCDell actually makes you pay them MORE MONEY to request a clean copy of Windows without all their crapApr 30 11:54
DaemonFCan extra $50 I believe?Apr 30 11:54
oiaohmYepApr 30 11:54
DaemonFCIsn't that just a load of shit?Apr 30 11:54
oiaohmBecause the crap pays the 50 dollarsApr 30 11:54
oiaohmTo be installed.Apr 30 11:54
oiaohmWith deals I could be doing the same thing.Apr 30 11:55
oiaohmI just choose not to abuse my customers that way.Apr 30 11:55
DaemonFCI really wonder why Dell started that IdeaStorm websiteApr 30 11:55
oiaohmYou are aware that 25 dollors of that 50 dollars is to install trial versions of MS office.Apr 30 11:55
oiaohmThis is where the complete idea that MS does not support it is crap.Apr 30 11:56
DaemonFCWhy the hell would you want MS Office?Apr 30 11:56
DaemonFCthe latest versions of Go-OO are fairly compatibleApr 30 11:56
oiaohmOEM installing computers it 25 dollars I can cut off my price.Apr 30 11:57
oiaohmIn theory on netbooks you could be geting paid for windows.Apr 30 11:58
DaemonFCI just don't get why anyone would pay to activate that shitApr 30 11:59
schestowitzThe red hat RPMs work with MandrivaApr 30 11:59
DaemonFCif nobody did, then the stuff would just go awayApr 30 11:59
DaemonFCschestowitz: If they don't have external dependencies they will, yeahApr 30 12:00
schestowitzBut I'm already good with the CLIApr 30 12:02
schestowitzSo the GUI is pointlessApr 30 12:02
schestowitzGUIs are good only if you use them before you get used to the CLIApr 30 12:02
schestowitzLinux poses a serious threat to its rivals on non-x86 platforms... http://www.linux-netbook.com/video/google... http://www.electronicsweekly.com/blogs...Apr 30 12:04
benkaiIs anybody having a copy of the Video where Ballmer said: People use Red Hat, at least with respect to our intellectual property in a sense have an obligation to eventually to compensate us" ( http://www.betanews.com/article/Mic...  )Apr 30 12:05
schestowitzhttp://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/... 10 reasons you'll want to install GNU/Linux (latest version)Apr 30 12:05
schestowitzbenkai: yesApr 30 12:05
schestowitzOne of us clipped itApr 30 12:05
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?...Apr 30 12:05
benkaischestowitz: Kudos, that was quick, I searched for it for quite some time!!Apr 30 12:07
benkaiThanks for being there, I knew the quote but for preparing work on a anti-patent PR, I was asked for the source, so thanks!Apr 30 12:10
schestowitzI can't download youtube vidsApr 30 12:15
schestowitzThey seem to have broken somethingApr 30 12:15
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schestowitzMy two cents on improving GNOME < http://manishtech.wordpress.com/200... >Apr 30 12:24
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news... "A FRENCH computer technician was handed a suspended 1,000 euro fine for "insulting a public official" after he sent an email attack on Justice Minister Rachida Dati."Apr 30 12:30
schestowitzInsulting French politicians is a crime now... http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-technolog...Apr 30 12:31
MinceRit tends to be a crime to insult local dictatorsApr 30 12:32
schestowitzCharlie's baaaack!  XP Mode in Windows 7 is a scam  < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/new... >Apr 30 12:34
schestowitz*sigh* More corruption... Motorola ex-CFO denies destroying evidence < http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-t... >Apr 30 12:38
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oiaohmDepends how he insulted him.Apr 30 12:45
oiaohmBeing a IT officer it can be creative.Apr 30 12:45
MinceRfunny, the inq article has a separate "Flame the author" buttonApr 30 12:48
schestowitzNew video. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/30... Did YouTube change download workarounds?Apr 30 12:49
schestowitzMinceR: they could make it a flash animationApr 30 12:50
schestowitzInteractive grill with the authors' mug attached to itApr 30 12:50
oiaohmSome work some don't schestowitzApr 30 12:50
schestowitzWhy?Apr 30 12:50
oiaohmSomething to do with encoding of video.Apr 30 12:50
schestowitzThat's what I see tooApr 30 12:50
MinceRi prefer not to have a flash animation there :>Apr 30 12:51
schestowitzTo hell with themApr 30 12:51
schestowitzUse to work OKApr 30 12:51
schestowitz*usedApr 30 12:51
oiaohmFrom there start there was always that smaller percent that did not work.Apr 30 12:51
oiaohmI have never worked out why.Apr 30 12:51
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/... "Manchester University has been censured by the Information Commissioner's Office for publishing personal information about students." Just reason to have less databases out there.Apr 30 12:54
schestowitzAs staff I had access to records of all staff and students.Apr 30 12:54
schestowitzAn even better Linux-based O/S may be coming from Palm: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/...Apr 30 12:55
MinceRthey don't say how it's going to be betterApr 30 12:56
MinceRwill it be called Póst? :>Apr 30 12:56
schestowitzLinux Phones from Acer? http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2...Apr 30 12:56
schestowitzMinceR: just Pós.Apr 30 12:57
MinceR:DApr 30 12:57
oiaohmPalm will be using a Linux kernel with there own custom interface on top.Apr 30 12:59
oiaohmPrototypes already exist schestowitzApr 30 12:59
schestowitz"DeviceGuru recently reported on a reader’s discovery that his “Energy Star compliant” Sony HDTV was consuming 200 times its advertised standby power." http://www.deviceguru.com/epa-moves...Apr 30 13:05
schestowitzoiaohm: yes, Palm is not idealApr 30 13:05
schestowitzJust Linux+'stuff'Apr 30 13:05
oiaohmIts still a extra developer for the Linux kernel.Apr 30 13:06
schestowitzWill they write drivers and patches for Linux?Apr 30 13:06
schestowitzMore important,t will desktop Linux be supported?Apr 30 13:06
schestowitzIf not, they'll be slammedApr 30 13:06
schestowitzLike TomTomApr 30 13:06
schestowitzgnote (Mono killer) is out: http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2...Apr 30 13:08
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iwmwdoes it look like a hedgehog? *:> ?Apr 30 13:09
oiaohmhttp://ostatic.com/blog/miros-creative-f...  Ok this is warped fund rasing.Apr 30 13:11
schestowitz"As much as I want to support the developers for their hard work, I will NOT support a company that willingly damages their honest customer's systems." http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,10...Apr 30 13:15
oiaohmUsing illegal software does not mean you will not get worse than the copyprotection.  Ie a worm.Apr 30 13:21
oiaohmI have nothing against turning backs on companies that put DRM on there media.Apr 30 13:22
oiaohmGoing accross to the wrong side is not a solution.Apr 30 13:22
oiaohmOk schestowitz that video you cannot download I can.Apr 30 13:25
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/tec... will I get fined for cursing Sarko?Apr 30 13:26
schestowitzoiaohm: how do you do it?Apr 30 13:26
schestowitzIried two routesApr 30 13:26
schestowitz*tiredApr 30 13:27
schestowitz*triedApr 30 13:27
oiaohmDownloader helper in firefoxApr 30 13:28
schestowitzThis one if even worse than wikia and Cuil (remember? "Google Killer?") http://news.bbc.co.uk/1...Apr 30 13:29
oiaohmI can even download low def and high def schestowitzApr 30 13:30
schestowitzI'm installing itApr 30 13:31
oiaohmThere are ones downloader helper cannot get.Apr 30 13:32
oiaohmThere is no perfect youtube extractor.Apr 30 13:33
oiaohmAlso you need to close the tab from where you start the video from to download it.Apr 30 13:33
schestowitzI think I got itApr 30 13:40
oiaohmIt should have had the correct name on it.Apr 30 13:46
schestowitzI'm gonna be out for a while.Apr 30 13:50
iwmwyou can always take it from cacheApr 30 14:05
iwmwunless it was only stored in memory :)Apr 30 14:06
iwmwthe cache should be big enough to keep that fileApr 30 14:06
oiaohmWeb server cache like squid yes.Apr 30 14:10
oiaohmFlash can be set to not cache or encrypt stream then you are kinda stuffed.Apr 30 14:11
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twitterthanks for the Inquirer story about Vista 7 "XP mode", that was a proper analysis of a scam and the people perpetuating it.Apr 30 14:35
trmancohttp://blogs.itworldcanada.com/ido...Apr 30 14:43
trmancowtfApr 30 14:43
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trmancognote 0.3.0 is outApr 30 15:44
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trmancohttp://mail.gnome.org/archives/ft...Apr 30 15:44
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the11thplagueHum, nice chat !Apr 30 15:48
MinceRhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2...Apr 30 15:49
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trmancohttp://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog...Apr 30 15:57
trmancoso people having that type of flu don't have the right to live anymore? geeshApr 30 16:01
MinceRpeople never had that rightApr 30 16:03
MinceRthey were graciously allowed to live by the usian government!Apr 30 16:03
trmancohmmApr 30 16:05
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schestowitztrmanco: yes, I found out about gnote this morningApr 30 16:33
trmancoI'm spreing the release on my blogApr 30 16:33
trmancospreading*Apr 30 16:33
schestowitztwitter saw the article about Paul de Shilla and the other Vista7 boostersApr 30 16:33
schestowitztrmanco: cool!Apr 30 16:33
trmancoI just can't find a proper logo/image :|Apr 30 16:33
schestowitzI was going to post in COLA also, unless you do.Apr 30 16:33
schestowitztrmanco: IDG spread loads of FUDApr 30 16:34
schestowitzMore than beforeApr 30 16:34
trmancoschestowitz, already did :-PApr 30 16:34
schestowitzI threr their feed earlier this month. They annoy me too muchApr 30 16:34
schestowitz*threwApr 30 16:34
schestowitztrmanco: good, that takes it off me[sic] backApr 30 16:34
schestowitzMinceR: "usian army"Apr 30 16:35
trmancobut post it again :-P, no problem repeating announcements of good software, btw I might be killfiled by some, so if you post it will probably reach a bigger audienceApr 30 16:35
schestowitz"Eurasian army" http://www.youtube.com/watch?...Apr 30 16:35
schestowitztrmanco: the trolls have no killfilesApr 30 16:35
schestowitzThey are there to cause riotsApr 30 16:36
trmancoI mean advocatesApr 30 16:36
schestowitzAdvocate don't kf advocatesApr 30 16:36
trmancosome of them might killfile the hole newserverApr 30 16:36
schestowitzAAAH!Apr 30 16:36
trmanco:-PApr 30 16:36
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schestowitzcogeca and mozarellaApr 30 16:36
schestowitzI thought about kfing Google groupsApr 30 16:37
trmancohttp://media.ubuntuusers.de/porta...Apr 30 16:37
trmancofound thisApr 30 16:37
schestowitzbut nessuno and others post from therApr 30 16:37
schestowitzTerra alsoApr 30 16:37
schestowitzI get Google News highlighted in blueApr 30 16:37
schestowitzThe Gary Shill posts fake testimonies from there.Apr 30 16:37
schestowitzhub can hopefully improve it beyong tomboy once it's mimicked fullyApr 30 16:38
schestowitzLeaving mono i the dustApr 30 16:38
schestowitz*inApr 30 16:38
trmancothere is till a lot of stuff to doApr 30 16:40
schestowitzbrbApr 30 16:41
trmancocan't find an official logo, I'm going to use tomboysApr 30 16:41
trmancoit comes with tomboys icons anyway, so I think there is no problem with thisApr 30 16:41
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schestowitzHi, anivar Apr 30 16:51
anivarhi schestowitzApr 30 16:52
anivarhaving a fight with Launchpad guysApr 30 16:52
schestowitzOT: I quite like this explanation of how the public transportation in The States was retarted by companies that sell car and how people are made selfish and isolated so as to make them weak. http://www.youtube.com/watch...Apr 30 16:52
schestowitzanivar: over Mononucleosis?Apr 30 16:53
anivarNo Licensing Translations under BSDApr 30 16:53
schestowitzHeh. http://www.blogicalthoughts.com...Apr 30 16:54
anivarFor Contributing to Non Free Rosetta we have to agree our Translations are under BSDApr 30 16:54
schestowitzanivar: I see.......Apr 30 16:54
anivarhttps://help.launchpad.net/Tran...Apr 30 16:54
schestowitzWhat's their response?Apr 30 16:54
schestowitzOh, you beat me to itApr 30 16:54
anivarThey took Translations from Upstream and  user contributions on Rosetta licenses under BSDApr 30 16:55
anivarNo Response So far. we are actually on a chicken egg problemApr 30 16:55
trmancojust published the gnote postApr 30 16:56
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anivarBecause of lack of quality control in Rosetta, a lot of spoilers are there. we work on upstream but that will be spoiled in ubutu. If we want to fix it we need to go to rosetta and relicense our translations under BSDApr 30 16:56
schestowitzThe More Things Change... The More They Stay The Same, Music Piracy Edition < http://www.techdirt.com/arti... >Apr 30 16:57
schestowitzMAFIAAismApr 30 16:57
schestowitzWorse than Apple evenApr 30 16:57
trmancoanivar, you translate for gnome projects?Apr 30 16:57
anivartrmanco:  Yes we have a group for Malayalam (ml) Language. Called as Swathanthra Malayalam Computing.Apr 30 16:58
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anivarIt is a Big a group with 100+ Translators and  DevelopersApr 30 16:58
schestowitzThreat Level Privacy, Crime and Security Online < http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009... > Real transparency, oh yeah...Apr 30 16:59
the_mad_hatterRoy, there's an article in the Financial Times about the French Nuclear Energy operator EDF spying on Greenpeace, through use of a Trojan. If they have have been running anything other than Windows, the Trojan wouldn't have worked.Apr 30 16:59
the_mad_hatterhttp://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bc45ab84-2...Apr 30 16:59
trmancoanivar, how can I start translating for gnome projects? I've looked into it, but it's kind of intimidating to join a translation team in gnome... and I'm also not sure what to do to start translating somethingApr 30 16:59
trmancocan you give me some tips?Apr 30 16:59
schestowitzthe_mad_hatter: is this the protest they sabotagedApr 30 16:59
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schestowitzWhere the British police coopreated with multinational vs democratic forces?Apr 30 17:00
anivartrmanco: which languageApr 30 17:00
trmancopt_PTApr 30 17:00
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anivarDo you have a translation team already?Apr 30 17:01
trmancoyeah, I think so, it's just (pt) -> http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/ptApr 30 17:02
anivartrmanco:  Contact with your Translation Coordinator and submit your po filesApr 30 17:03
anivartranslated po filesApr 30 17:03
anivarOr do you have technical doubts in Translation/Apr 30 17:03
anivar?Apr 30 17:03
trmancoso I have to translate something before I can enter a team, right?Apr 30 17:03
anivaryesApr 30 17:04
anivarInstall poeditApr 30 17:04
anivarSet your Translation nameApr 30 17:04
trmancoah, I knew I was missing somethingApr 30 17:04
anivarand download a POT file from current trunk and rename it as .pt.po and Translate it with POeditApr 30 17:05
anivarAnd sent it to your language Coordinator or Translation mailing listApr 30 17:06
trmancoanivar, thanksApr 30 17:06
trmancoyou just solved my problemApr 30 17:06
anivarIf he lags in submitting it on time you can discuss it in Gnome-l10n list and ask for an svn access . The Team seems to be pretty activeApr 30 17:07
trmancoI'm already subed to that listApr 30 17:08
anivartrmanco:  May be you can start from translating gnote  http://l10n.gnome.org/modu...Apr 30 17:08
trmancoyeahApr 30 17:08
trmancothat's why I wanted to be a gnome translator in the first placeApr 30 17:08
trmancoit already has been translated thoughApr 30 17:08
anivartranslate user guide if u have timeApr 30 17:09
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/media/... FUD from the cartel. "Government given five-year TV and film piracy warning" More enforcement, LESS viewersApr 30 17:09
schestowitzBillion-Dollar Baby: We Drive the Chevrolet Volt  < http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/04/bil... > They should let GM go bankrupt. It failed. It capitalism, it should be dissolved and let successful companies replace itApr 30 17:12
trmancoanivar, I'll tryApr 30 17:12
trmancoI have to translate it all before I submit it right?Apr 30 17:13
anivarNo . You can submit partially translated ones too. Join in ur language  Translation list and mention that u r translationg to avoid duplicationApr 30 17:15
schestowitzThey should also do lang-modesApr 30 17:16
schestowitzLike ghetto-modeApr 30 17:16
schestowitzWhere the help menu is called "Word!Apr 30 17:16
schestowitz"Apr 30 17:16
schestowitzOr humour-modeApr 30 17:16
schestowitzOpera/Google has thatApr 30 17:17
schestowitzBork bork bork..Apr 30 17:17
trmancoanivar, okApr 30 17:18
trmancoI'll do that in a bitApr 30 17:18
schestowitzelive people have a new blog:http://www.elivecd.org/Main/News/...Apr 30 17:24
schestowitzAm I totally wrong is is LikeWise former Softies who advance MS 'standards' and tax in *NIX? http://ostatic.com/blog/likewise-secur...Apr 30 17:28
schestowitzDarren Waters. who promotes Microsoft a lot, is using MSBBC to advertise Microsoft http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss...Apr 30 17:32
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schestowitzMinceR and other people would love this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/te... Should the US military become a Net aggressor?Apr 30 17:36
trmancoanivar, thanks for the tips, btwApr 30 17:41
schestowitzOT: Jackass 2-Best moments < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... >Apr 30 17:43
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schestowitznon-Free software starts squeezing harder for some cash. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-...Apr 30 18:22
BalrogIntel Faces $1.3B Fine In EuropeApr 30 18:36
Balrog<http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=...Apr 30 18:36
schestowitzOnly 1.3?Apr 30 18:37
schestowitzEmbargo the criminalsApr 30 18:37
Balrogyou think it should be higher?Apr 30 18:38
schestowitzA LOTApr 30 18:39
schestowitzYou can't find a criminal that got rich by crimeApr 30 18:39
schestowitzHe'd need do to TIMEApr 30 18:39
schestowitzI realise that Apple does Intel only, so...Apr 30 18:39
Balrogthey do ARMApr 30 18:39
Balrogin their mobile devices (iPod/iPhone)Apr 30 18:39
schestowitzobviouslyApr 30 18:39
Balrogand they did drop Intel chipsets for nvidia ones (though I don't know if nvidia is any better)Apr 30 18:40
schestowitz"Some legal experts speculate that Intel’s fine could reach about a billion euros, or $1.3 billion. Intel’s annual sales were $37.6 billion in 2008."Apr 30 18:42
schestowitzInsult to justiceApr 30 18:42
BalrogI see. :/Apr 30 18:42
Balrogwhat's their market cap?Apr 30 18:42
schestowitzcant recallApr 30 18:48
schestowitzdp yahoo finance intcApr 30 18:48
schestowitzi'm eatingApr 30 18:48
schestowitzPJ: "That's just crazy talk. Lots of westerners will buy one the very first day they are available, and then they'll return them saying Linux is not as good as Windows, not realizing it's not Linux that is to blame -- it's the quality, or lack thereof, of the product."Apr 30 18:58
schestowitz" And I can imagine that Microsoft might then issue a statement that people don't want Linux on netbooks and Microsoft has captured 200% of the netbook market. Sigh. Now do you understand why Apple likes to protect its brand by limiting what hardware you can put OSX on?"Apr 30 18:58
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schestowitzThe Disney propaganda is taking over part of other media outlets: http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/...Apr 30 19:16
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/... (Plan to monitor all internet use) We turn to some kind of fascistic state unless this plan is already crossed outApr 30 19:17
trmancoCan Google Android Save Motorola?: http://www.crn.com/mobile/217200972Apr 30 19:21
trmancoschestowitz, have you updated your system? :-PApr 30 19:24
schestowitzWhy?Apr 30 19:24
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schestowitzMandriva?Apr 30 19:25
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trmancoyesApr 30 19:28
trmancoMicrosoft gives users Windows 7 free for 13 months: http://www.computerworld.com/action/articl...Apr 30 19:29
trmanco"When asked why the company is giving users such a long free pass for the software, a spokeswoman declined to comment."Apr 30 19:29
trmancoRush for Windows 7 RC crashes MSDN, TechNet pages: http://www.itworld.com/windows/67267...Apr 30 19:32
schestowitzwizpy has appeared in COLAApr 30 19:36
schestowitzThey fake demand for Vista7Apr 30 19:37
schestowitz"Leaks" and server loadApr 30 19:37
trmancohmm, I haven't seen her around there yetApr 30 19:38
schestowitzMotorola ditches WIndows pretty muchApr 30 19:38
schestowitzThey are trouble for other reasonsApr 30 19:38
schestowitzOversized for their poor performanceApr 30 19:38
schestowitzI reckoned you invited her or something.Apr 30 19:38
schestowitzTook me by surpriseApr 30 19:38
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Balrogof course there's demand for Win7, to see how it sucks ;)Apr 30 19:50
schestowitzWhere on earth is the European Commission on the OOXML crimes?Apr 30 19:51
schestowitzI wonder...Apr 30 19:51
schestowitzSo ti's true they don't regulateApr 30 19:51
schestowitzI'm pissed off with fat cats and far regulators who don't care about rulesApr 30 19:51
trmancoschestowitz, yeah, just saw one of her posts for the first time :-OApr 30 19:56
trmanco:-P*Apr 30 19:56
schestowitzI'll make some postsApr 30 19:57
schestowitzIt's funny that one can post calmnlyApr 30 19:57
schestowitzWith the facts, others can get furiousApr 30 19:57
schestowitzLet emApr 30 19:57
schestowitzMicrosoft is committing many crimes that Find todayApr 30 19:57
schestowitzMaybe I'll summarise them tomorrowApr 30 19:58
schestowitzMicrosoft should be sent into space in a rocketApr 30 19:58
schestowitzIn many way it's like MAFIAA and BushApr 30 19:58
schestowitzViolent, aggressive, merciless offenders.Apr 30 19:58
schestowitzBorn with a silver spoon in their monthsApr 30 19:58
trmancoheheApr 30 19:59
schestowitzAlmost literallyApr 30 19:59
schestowitzBut anyway, the world is FULL of crimeApr 30 20:00
schestowitzDocumenting it is fun and valuableApr 30 20:00
schestowitzIt's what newspaper are too afraid to doApr 30 20:00
schestowitzThey must contact the accused and give the spinApr 30 20:00
schestowitzIn many cases, the spin forces the story down due to accusation of libel threats and crooked editors.Apr 30 20:01
schestowitzBlogs are to many like people owning their mills that they worked in, as oppose to wage slavery of a press that's run by the business community for its benefitApr 30 20:01
_boo_http://www.oldandsold.com/books/s...Apr 30 20:10
Balrogschestowitz: How to respond to this?Apr 30 20:11
Balrog(hold on)Apr 30 20:12
Balrog"With regard to my vote on the issue of CMS.... I never use prebuilt CMS systems such as Joomla, Drupal etc. Yes, for small sites they are handy.... and expedient way of getting a website live. However, there are issues with such systems that cannot and should certainly not be ignored. As commonly-used "open-source" systems, they are inherently open to exploits and disruption from those would have WAAAAY too much time to find them. Whilst they Apr 30 20:13
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BalrogI don't get it how people feel that open source means less secureApr 30 20:17
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schestowitzBalrog: where is this FUD from?Apr 30 20:18
schestowitzCMSs that are GPL-licensed often outpace the development of non-Free onesApr 30 20:18
Balrogthis isn't anythign public, but rather a post on a group I'm a member ofApr 30 20:19
schestowitzLarge sites ditch the proprietary ones whose development is abandonedApr 30 20:19
schestowitzTHey move to FOSS, which commoditised this whole marketApr 30 20:19
schestowitzBalrog: tell him that WoMD too are " WAAAAY too much time to find them."Apr 30 20:19
BalrogWoMD?Apr 30 20:19
schestowitzPeople should not believe anything people TwitApr 30 20:20
schestowitzBalrog: example for mythsApr 30 20:20
schestowitzor FUDApr 30 20:20
schestowitzWeapons of Mass DesructionApr 30 20:20
schestowitz"I heard this, I heard that"Apr 30 20:20
schestowitzMicrosoft et al circulate lots of stuff about Moodle, Apache, Linux, etc.Apr 30 20:20
schestowitz_boo_: is there a one-paragraph version :0)Apr 30 20:21
Balrogwhat was that site that just moved to wordpress?Apr 30 20:22
Balrogitwire?Apr 30 20:22
Balrog(the one where that 'Windows is just not engineered for security' was)Apr 30 20:22
schestowitzInfoWorldApr 30 20:25
schestowitzIt's just one exampleApr 30 20:25
Balrogany more?Apr 30 20:25
schestowitzWordPress powers millions of sitesApr 30 20:25
schestowitzIncluding some of the world's very topApr 30 20:25
Balrogwhat about drupalApr 30 20:25
Balrog?Apr 30 20:25
schestowitzBalrog: go to WordPress' Web siteApr 30 20:25
schestowitzThey have listsApr 30 20:25
schestowitzDrupal tooApr 30 20:25
schestowitzEFF for example, but also some more massive onesApr 30 20:25
schestowitzhttp://buytaert.net/Apr 30 20:26
schestowitzDries has been keeping track of some new adoptersApr 30 20:26
schestowitz"Google to invest 90,000 USD in Drupal" I didn't notice that..Apr 30 20:27
schestowitzGoogle i like a husband who brings flower and then cheats with the next-door neighbourApr 30 20:28
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DaemonFCVista SP2 Final is outApr 30 20:32
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DaemonFCheh, I'm just going to torrent Vista SP2 and run MD5 sum to match it to Microsoft's hashApr 30 20:56
schestowitz*yawn* (@vista)Apr 30 20:56
schestowitzWHy do you keep track of that stuff?Apr 30 20:56
DaemonFC*shrugs*Apr 30 20:59
neonflosshow where your days?Apr 30 21:06
neonflosswere*Apr 30 21:06
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DaemonFChttp://news.softpedia.com/n...Apr 30 21:26
neonflossI got a netbook practically for free...Apr 30 21:31
neonflosswhat should I run on it?Apr 30 21:31
Balrogneonfloss: what kind?Apr 30 21:32
neonflossasusApr 30 21:32
neonflosseee pcApr 30 21:32
neonflossit came with a custom linux one... or I could use ubuntu netbok remix... or normal ubuntu....Apr 30 21:33
neonflossor something else...Apr 30 21:33
Balrogyeah ubuntu netbook remix would work wellApr 30 21:37
Balrogjust remove mono after you install isApr 30 21:37
Balrogit *Apr 30 21:37
Balrog'apt-get remove --purge libmono0 mono-common'Apr 30 21:37
Balrogand if you want, install monononoApr 30 21:37
BalrogMono is a waste of RAM / disk space on netbooksApr 30 21:38
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trmancohttp://digg.com/d1q0Pz twitter is getting famous :-PApr 30 21:46
trmancothe real personApr 30 21:46
schestowitzGood. It deserves attentionApr 30 21:48
schestowitzMicrosoft starts playing dirty aagainApr 30 21:48
schestowitzGood.Apr 30 21:48
schestowitz1) it's nervousApr 30 21:48
schestowitz2) it'll get caughtApr 30 21:49
schestowitz3) reputation for Microsoft down the drain and more antitrust complaintsApr 30 21:49
trmancohttp://gizmodo.com/5150284/...Apr 30 21:50
schestowitzThis one looks like an advert in disguise: http://www.youtube.com/watc...Apr 30 21:51
schestowitztrmanco: is it not from February?Apr 30 21:51
trmancooopsApr 30 21:52
trmancosomebody dugg thisApr 30 21:52
trmancoand sent me a shoutApr 30 21:52
trmancoI rarely look at datesApr 30 21:52
schestowitzBefore the fraud was realised: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymOJT... :-SApr 30 21:55
schestowitztrmanco: I saw the log in another site some days agoApr 30 21:55
schestowitzIt's being used indeedApr 30 21:55
trmancowhat is?Apr 30 21:56
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schestowitzYouTube search seems to be brokenApr 30 22:00
trmancoschestowitz, you forgot to remove some [rival] tags from you posts :-PApr 30 22:07
trmancooops -> [News] [Rival] Free/Open Source Success Stories in BusinessApr 30 22:07
Balrog"Forensics Tools Finds Headerless Encrypted Files" --Apr 30 22:08
Balroghttp://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/...Apr 30 22:08
Balrogunfortunately (for them), it picks up /dev/urandom generated files as encrypted headerlessApr 30 22:09
schestowitztrmanco: yes, I messed up and carried on without noticingApr 30 22:11
schestowitzIt's so hard to use YouTuber without searchApr 30 22:11
schestowitz*TubeApr 30 22:11
trmancowowApr 30 22:12
trmancoit really is b0rk3dApr 30 22:12
trmanconever seen this happenApr 30 22:12
DaemonFChttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/...Apr 30 22:16
DaemonFCWill Oracle kill MySQL? Who cares?Apr 30 22:16
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schestowitzI can't get to anything useful :-(  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... ( Environmental Health : How to Cut Household Water Usage )Apr 30 22:19
schestowitzBoring... YouTUbe search is brokenApr 30 22:19
schestowitzOracle doesn't own mysqlApr 30 22:20
schestowitzIt owns the trademarkApr 30 22:20
schestowitzMaybe copyrights, but it can still be copied overApr 30 22:20
schestowitzMaybe GPLv3 this timeApr 30 22:20
schestowitzBetter yet, AGPLv3Apr 30 22:20
DaemonFChttp://www.kuro5hin.org/sto...Apr 30 22:21
schestowitzMaybe it's YouTUbe maintenance..  http://www.youtube.com/watch...Apr 30 22:25
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=... Gordon's EU NightmareApr 30 22:36
schestowitzritish politics at its best http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmHt...Apr 30 22:37
schestowitz*LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngPnzH...Apr 30 22:39
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schestowitzMicrosoft netbook kickbacks: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/...Apr 30 23:29
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*DaemonFC hates standalone Service Pack installersApr 30 23:53
schestowitzActivists have their computers intruded by predatory multinationals: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/...Apr 30 23:53
DaemonFCfor some reason Microsoft decided to delay the release of SP2 for a couple monthsApr 30 23:53
DaemonFCeven though it's finishedApr 30 23:53
DaemonFCdue to stupidity on the part of Apple and a couple Antivirus companiesApr 30 23:54
schestowitzDaemonFC: see the latest posts on Vista 7: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/... The fiasco is only just brewing.Apr 30 23:54
*schestowitz never installed a Service Pack, EVERApr 30 23:54
DaemonFCschestowitz: I posted on Mandriva 2009.1Apr 30 23:54
schestowitzURL?Apr 30 23:55
MinceRgnApr 30 23:55
schestowitznnApr 30 23:55
DaemonFCcomparing a few features of Vista and OS X (if you can believe it) that Mandriva has finally done rightApr 30 23:55
schestowitzI'll do a couple more postsApr 30 23:55
schestowitzIt's funApr 30 23:55
DaemonFCwhere other distros have gone horribly wrongApr 30 23:55
schestowitzMS gives lots of dirt for others to use against itApr 30 23:55
schestowitzMandriva is what I use like 95% of the time nowApr 30 23:55
DaemonFChttp://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/04...Apr 30 23:55
DaemonFCThe two bits that impressed the hell out of me were amazingly fast boot time and the improvements to the audio stackApr 30 23:56
schestowitzGood titleApr 30 23:56
DaemonFCboth of which Ubuntu needs a lot of work onApr 30 23:56
schestowitzDaemonFC: audio stack is good in 2008.1Apr 30 23:56
schestowitzI had problems with the stack in SuSE 8.1Apr 30 23:56
DaemonFCnah, I ran into a lot of bugs on everything elseApr 30 23:56
DaemonFCFedora 10 was the only Pulseaudio implementation I could use and even that has bugsApr 30 23:57
DaemonFCI'm sure Fedora 11 and Ubuntu 9.10 will be much better about thatApr 30 23:57
DaemonFCMandriva just got there firstApr 30 23:57
*tessier also has never installed a service packApr 30 23:58
tessierI wouldn't even know where to go to get oneApr 30 23:58
schestowitzI think it's automaticApr 30 23:58
schestowitzMaybe some popupsApr 30 23:58
schestowitzI remember back in 2002 when a friend met me at work and said he needed service packApr 30 23:59
schestowitzI hardly knew what he was talking aboutApr 30 23:59
DaemonFCwell, I prefer to get them over Windows Update, because it only grabs the files you needApr 30 23:59
DaemonFCthe standalone includes every update since SP1Apr 30 23:59

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