Bonum Certa Men Certa

Microsoft Staff Trying to Subvert the Freedom of Gemini (Without Disclosure of the Paymaster)

Video download link | md5sum eac34eacdd752f3482f26fa62747de85 Microsoft Taistoism Creative Commons Attribution-No Derivative Works 4.0



Summary: Looking back at the past couple of years, it seems like Microsoft staff and boosters were more than eager to steer developers away from freedom and into Microsoft's cage

THE Gemini mailing list archive of 2020 reveals something I wasn't aware of until earlier today. Apparently it had already been discussed in our IRC channels before, resembling some of the patterns we saw in Microsoft's "evangelism is war" document, resembling Taistoism and corporate cult tactics.



"Thankfully, right now in 2022 lots of Gemini code is Free software (almost everything is, certainly more than 90%) and the code is mostly self-hosted, some with front ends such as GitLab and and some with Gitea-based community-centric hosting."As explained in the video above, which intentionally omits names, in the earlier days of Gemini there were at least 2 people pushing Microsoft and/or Windows into the project, merely a year after it had started. The last thing a secure, elegant and freedom-respecting specification (to replace the World Wide Web for some things) needs is bloat like Windows, GitHub, and Visual Studio. They're all proprietary and we don't want Gemini developers to make projects dependant on proprietary stuff (components, software, hosting and so on). Visual Studio, GitHub etc. are all about Microsoft being in charge; Agate and Amfora, for example, still use GitHub and rely on Rust, which not only uses GitHub but also censors Microsoft critics. Thankfully, right now in 2022 lots of Gemini code is Free software (almost everything is, certainly more than 90%) and the code is mostly self-hosted, some with front ends such as GitLab and and some with Gitea-based community-centric hosting.

The curious thing is that the following year (in 2021) we once again saw people pushing Microsoft stuff for Gemini developers, despite an obvious lack of interest from the community. The people who came to the list to push Microsoft's proprietary garbage were using very promotional language and then vanished (not to be seen before the end of 2021 when the mailing list went offline, due to a hardware crash).

"The curious thing is that the following year (in 2021) we once again saw people pushing Microsoft stuff for Gemini developers, despite an obvious lack of interest from the community."Based on our understanding, Microsoft moreover 'censored' the list by marking the server/relay as "spam", preventing a flow of communication by merely having some gears in the global E-mail system.

While we refrain from going into the nitty-gritty details (we won't mention names), we do have the evidence. As Psydroid put it, it's "more about the coordination that must have happened behind the scenes" (at Microsoft).

Is Microsoft trying to undermine Gemini or take some control?

"It is common for Microsoft to mark mail services as spam and blacklist the domains," an associate has told us. Microsoft "does it a lot and it's common problem."

"Peter N M Hansteen wrote about Microsoft blacklisting site some years ago but the search engines don't index his site either," he said. Here are examples of his posts:



The associate added: "I think the question is not if Microsoft is trying to undermine Gemini but how and on what priority?"

Another person asked, "don't they extort mail services to remove their blacklist? Like pay money to get whitelisted or nobody will email you..."

Here's an example from about 11 days ago:



"Microsoft controls the Outlook users," a person said in IRC moments ago. "I tried to send an email to a Outlook address but it didn't go through because of Microsoft blacklist..."

"There should be a relevant document from Comes v Microsoft about crushing competitors while they are small," the associate concluded.

“Yes We're Talking About Knifing the Baby”

--Microsoft management



“AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT RUN ON Vl[R]GIN PCs I AM AT LEAST SEMI HAPPY”

--Microsoft management



“Cut Those F*ckers Off”

--Microsoft management



“...[C]ut off Netscape’s air supply.”

--Microsoft management



"This really isn't that hard. If you're going to kill someone there isn't much reason to get all worked up about it and angry -- you just pull the trigger. Angry discussions before hand are a waste of time. We need to smile at Novell while we pull the trigger."

--Microsoft management

Recent Techrights' Posts

Richard Stallman's Web Site Back Online, But It Seems Like a 2-Months-Old Snapshot
Latest political notes are dated July 2 (2026)
 
Refresher: Why EPO Staff is on Strike This Year (Aside From the EPO Acting Like a Corrupt, Above-the-Law, For-Profit Corporation That Violates Its Own Charter)
One core issue at the EPO is erosion of purchasing power
Gemini Links 05/09/2026: Fireflies, Shore Pine, and ASCII Art
Links for the day
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Friday, September 04, 2026
IRC logs for Friday, September 04, 2026
The Legal Services Board (LSB) Takes on Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA) for Utter Failures, We'll Resume Our SRA Series to Illuminate How Bad the SRA Really Is
a quick overview of the latest news
Links 04/09/2026: Notorious Patent Trolls' Judge Enters the Private Sector (Corruption, Revolving Doors), Gloria Steinem's Life in Pictures
Links for the day
Gemini Links 04/09/2026: Worries, Upgrades, and CS Students
Links for the day
SPAM Disguised as Benchmark or Comparison: The Register MS "PARTNER CONTENT" is Getting Weirder by the Month
Sites that promote fake 'coins' or pyramid schemes to their audience(s) aren't worth tolerating
PIPs at IBMs are Layoffs Because They're Impossible to Satisfy (or They Terminate Workers Despite Satisfying Them)
What insiders say
In the United Kingdom You Can No Longer Make the Assumption People Use Windows (or 'Smart' 'Phone')
As autumn arrives Microsoft faces a crisis
SLAPP Censorship - Part 171 Out of 200: Talking About Corruption and Violence Against Women
Today the Labour Party (UK) speaks about corruption
Warming Up for Investigative Journalism About the European Patent Office (EPO), Europe's Second-Largest and Probably Most Corrupt Institution in Europe
It continues to exploit diplomatic immunity for impunity
Microsoft Handing Out PIPs by the Thousands, Anxiety in GAFAM Building Up
Years ago I heard from people who pretended to be ill to avoid getting fired
BRICS in the Windows: Brazil's GNU/Linux Share (as Measured by CDN) Has Hit Highest Point in a Month
The largest Web CDN, Clownflare, sees GNU/Linux at 8.1% right now in Brazil
Corporate Media Will Always Glorify Its Owners (Corporations That Value Nothing But Capital)
Collecting "money" like it's a form of competition where they track "score"
We'll Never Do Slop!
Being against slop is not being "left behind"
Thieves Complain About the People They Steal From
"When you point the finger at someone, there are three fingers pointing back to you"
Links 04/09/2026: "The Rise of the Billionaire Lobby", the "Imperialist Delusions", and Digital Restrictions (DRM) From Nvidia
Links for the day
Buying From China
Nations must begin to speak about their digital sovereignty, which Free software is best equipped to grant and best positioned to assure in the face of outside resistance
GNU/Linux Continues to Grow in China
GNU/Linux reached its highest point in a month
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Thursday, September 03, 2026
IRC logs for Thursday, September 03, 2026
Gemini Links 04/09/2026: Forgotten Realms Avatar Series and Slop Plagiarism's Footprint in Gopher/Geminispace
Links for the day
Like Uber, Paypal's Debt Has Shot Up 2.5 Billion Dollars in 3 Months, Now the Mass Layoffs Come to India
even reducing the salaries by offshoring isn't enough to save the company
IBM Eliminating Over 20,000 IBM Workers by Year's End, Insiders Claim
the layoffs are silent
Microsoft "engineers who aren’t critical are let go" this week/month (silent layoffs)
"stack ranking"
Is Microsoft Trying to Kill What's Left of XBox by Year's End?
How many people will still bother purchasing these consoles by the end of the year?
SLAPP Censorship - Part 170 Out of 200: Downtimes
Yesterday traffic skyrocketed here
The Register MS Publishes More Word Salads Promoting "AI" Because It's Paid to Do So
Hype, name-dropping, and scaremongering
Gemini Links 03/09/2026: Google Maps, Gemini's Early History, and Suppressing Slop Plagiarists
Links for the day
Links 03/09/2026: Unsafe Skies, Thunderbird Adopts Proprietary / Vendor Lock-in Traps, "Xbox Live Down Again"
Links for the day
Growing Thirst for Free Software, the LibreOffice Edition
LibreOffice is in "high demand"
Links 03/09/2026: John Ternus Enters Apple Amid Mass Layoffs, Journalist İrem Delice Arrested
Links for the day
Stallman.org Down Due to Virtual Machines Issue, "Senior Engineers are Investigating the Issue" Since Saturday
RMS site down due to virtual machines issues upstream
Linux Foundation is Plagiarism Hub, Linux is at Risk From It
Torvalds never looked weaker and more compromised
Gemini Links 03/09/2026: Back in Japan, Another New Year, Reasons to Avoid Have a "Smart" "Phone", and Rant About Built-in Batteries
Links for the day
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, September 02, 2026
IRC logs for Wednesday, September 02, 2026