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Re: giving money to gnome

aj@dungeon.inka.de (Andreas Jellinghaus)  wrote on 20.11.97 in <19971120002245.00417@dungeon.inka.de>:

> On Wed 19 Nov 1997, Tim Sailer wrote:
> > Yes, but AJ saying that he will stop being a Debian developer if we don't
> > contribute the money collected to KDE instead of gnome....  According
> > to our own guidelines, we have an obligation to support the *free*
> > programs first.
>
> what i want to say is :
> postings like express a very negative point of view (sounds for some
> people like "kde is the devil himself, and we will sponsor gnome !"),
> and it makes people angry, and it makes me angry.

I'm sorry, but it's you and Paul that post the very negative views - and  
yes, you do get people angry like that. Sure worked with me.

The longer I read this thread, the more I feel insulted by the people  
posting for the kde side of things.

> the point is not giving the money to gnome (although it should be given
> to freeqt IMO, or specialised to build a gtk->qt layer). the point is
> how bruce is threading people. he could have said the same thing without
> makeing people angry.

He sure didn't make me angry. You and Paul did.

> his posts are IMO absolutely unnecessary negative, and he makes kde

His posts aren't half as negative as yours.

> people and also me angry. i don't like this : working for debian should
> be fun. maybe it can be fun again, unless bruce insist on continue to
> use every possibility to say something against kde.

As far as I am concerned, kde isn't even remotely a part of what makes  
Debian fun. Not only did they chose a non-free library (and, from what I  
hear, aren't really interested in doing anything about it), kde promoters  
don't seem to be the most agreeable people.

I'm fast getting to intensively dislike that project.

> look at my position : there were big postings against kde before.
> and i had some fights with kde people myself. but finaly i got a
> compromisse, and could cooperate with them.
>
> and some days later they look strange at me, show me a posting of my
> project leader (so they think, he also speaks for me) which makes them
> angry, and makes me look silly.
>
> would you think, taht everything is ok ? i don't.

No, I don't either. I don't think it's right for them to get angry about  
that. As for you looking silly because of this posting, I don't know why  
that should be the case.

> i do not leave in a haste. but if i don't see a chance for things to
> change... there are so many things i could do that are fun. i enjoyed
> working for debian, and i can find something new if things keep this
> way.

>From my point of view, things will stay that way until the kde side  
becomes more reasonable, because that's where the mistakes keep being  
made.


MfG Kai


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