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Re: giving money to gnome



paul@thomppj.student.okstate.edu (Paul J Thompson)  wrote on 19.11.97 in <Pine.LNX.3.96.971119062020.4999A-100000@thomppj.student.okstate.edu>:

> On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Enrique Zanardi wrote:
>
> Andreas, I agree with you 100%.  This kind of antagonistic behavior toward
> the non-dfsg community is downright immature and, as you said, shameful!

Uh?! This makes absolutely no sense to me. There is no antagonistic  
behaviour, there is no non-dfsg community, and the only shameful and  
immature behaviour I can see comes from your/Andreas'/kde side.

> Debian is an excellent distribution (the best right now, IMHO).  Being
> such, we should take responsiblity by being mature and "friendly" with the
> rest of the world.

We are.

> > (Remember, some people here have felt insulted because the distribution
> > choosen for that Qt-champion product was Debian. But that's how _free_
> > software works! You are free to use it the way you like best, even if
> > doing so is dangerous to the same free software movement that provides
> > it. Perhaps the KDE people should think a bit about that before trying
> > to be _the_ Linux Desktop Enviroment).

Very wise words.

> I'm sorry, Enrique, but this is the largest load of crap I have heard in a
> long time.  Our distribution being chosen above the others should first
> thing be considered a complement, and last thing an insult.  And, btw, I
> don't know if you have looked at it, but the KDE projects stuff is pretty
> darn good (the best DE concept currently existant for Linux) so I don't
> think you have much room to talk about them "trying to be _the_ Linux
> Desktop Environment.

Enrique sure made a lot more sense than you do, so be careful with what  
you call crap here.

> An hey, where is your appreciation.  Put yourself in their shoes.  Sure,

I'm sure glad I'm not in their shoes, but that's a place they put  
themselves without our help, so I don't see why we should feel obligated  
to correct their mistake for them.

> they're ways (concerning qt) don't match up with ours completely, but
> there sure are a bunch of people putting in a whole lot of _volunteer_
> time for the KDE project.  Try to think before preaching next time.

And how on earth does their volunteering their time change anything?

It's obvious that Enrique did some serious thinking. It's not obvious that  
you did.


MfG Kai


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