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schestowitzWeird. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38338496/ns/us_news-life/Jul 23 00:00
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schestowitzThere is hope for a happy DaemonFCJul 23 00:00
schestowitzhttp://www.technologyreview.com/business/25833/Jul 23 00:01
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ThistleWebI'm guessing you know a debian / ubuntu dev called Joe SheildsJul 23 00:02
ThistleWebhe does the mono stuffJul 23 00:02
cubezzz3my solution is to use older Linux :)Jul 23 00:03
cubezzz3no mono in 2.2Jul 23 00:03
ThistleWebjust giving a heads up in case you hadn't spotted it already, he was interviewed on the latest ubuntu UK podcastJul 23 00:04
schestowitzhttp://www.asylum.com/2010/07/22/its-the-worlds-strongest-most-expensive-beer-inside-a-squi/Jul 23 00:04
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schestowitz"Oh, and did we mention that the bottles come in stuffed animals-like stuffed animals that were once alive? The 12 bottles have been made featuring seven dead stoats (a kind of weasel), four squirrels and one rabbit. James Watt, one of the two guys behind BrewDog, put it better than we ever could: "The impact of The End of History is a perfect conceptual marriage between taxidermy, art and craft brewing." Just like we've all been Jul 23 00:04
schestowitzwaiting for!"Jul 23 00:04
schestowitzAssholesJul 23 00:04
cubezzz3kind of gross schestowitzJul 23 00:05
schestowitzThistleWeb: yeah, he ruins Debian tooJul 23 00:05
cubezzz3well, I don't drink beer anywayJul 23 00:05
schestowitz"Look, that's a nice squirrelJul 23 00:05
ThistleWebapparently he's mainly a debian dev who also does ubuntuJul 23 00:05
*cubezzz3 coins a new term: retrocomputerologistJul 23 00:05
schestowitz"Let's feed him more"Jul 23 00:05
schestowitz"More him fat so we can shove a bigger bottle down its throatJul 23 00:05
schestowitzThistleWeb: /does/infects/Jul 23 00:06
ThistleWeblamenting the fact that the anti mono push made uk tv companies switch from silverlight to flash, so his mom on ubuntu can no longer watchthe channelsJul 23 00:06
schestowitzHe does nothing for Ubuntu except Mono insertionJul 23 00:06
cubezzz3that sounds perverse :)Jul 23 00:07
ThistleWebhe certainly didnt speak of anything beyond mono / silverlight / moonlightJul 23 00:07
schestowitzThat's what he doesJul 23 00:07
ThistleWebI guessed you'd know of himJul 23 00:07
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?q=site:techrights.org+Shields&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=Jul 23 00:07
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cubezzz3it's the media companies fault for using stupid things like flash and silverlightJul 23 00:08
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2008/12/28/thank-you-joseph/Jul 23 00:08
TechrightsBotTitle: Tha*k You Too, Joseph | Techrights .::. Size~: 131.61 KBJul 23 00:08
ThistleWebyeah that was my take too, niether are free platform friendlyJul 23 00:09
cubezzz3if they broadcast FTA then it's no problemJul 23 00:09
ThistleWebya might wanna check out the latest ubuntu uk podcast ep for the interview anywayJul 23 00:09
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cubezzz3well there's gnashJul 23 00:11
cubezzz3I just don't have the time to study it these daysJul 23 00:11
ThistleWebthe podcast also mentions the fact that mint and crunchbang are stepping away from ubuntu as a base to differing degreesJul 23 00:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @photomatt Thrilled, however, that #thesiswp is now legal and in compliance, I hope this encourages others to fully embrace the GPL.Jul 23 00:13
cubezzz3not surprisingJul 23 00:13
ThistleWebmint is gonna be ubuntu based for the forseeable future, but crunchbang already switchedJul 23 00:13
DaemonFCit's like the light got flipped on and all the roaches are running awayJul 23 00:14
DaemonFC:PJul 23 00:14
DaemonFCI think a lot of them are starting to realize that Ubuntu is just a buzzwordJul 23 00:15
DaemonFCand it's more work to base off Ubuntu and get the results you want than it is to use Debian in the first placeJul 23 00:15
DaemonFCMepis based off Ubuntu brieflyJul 23 00:17
DaemonFCthen realized what a maintainence nightmare it was going to beJul 23 00:17
schestowitzThistleWeb: gnewsense tooJul 23 00:17
schestowitzIt moved to Debian a while backJul 23 00:17
DaemonFCLinspire 6.0 was basically Ubuntu 7.04 + crapJul 23 00:18
schestowitzmepis tried Ubuntu, went back to Debian quicklyJul 23 00:18
schestowitzDaemonFC: not all alongJul 23 00:18
schestowitzXandros was Debian all along afaikJul 23 00:18
DaemonFCwell, Linspire 6 was basically Kubuntu 7.04Jul 23 00:18
DaemonFCis what I meanJul 23 00:18
schestowitzDaemonFC: "Crap" includes "Live" search barJul 23 00:18
*Agent-Smith (bb1796d6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.187.23.150.214) has joined #boycottnovellJul 23 00:18
DaemonFCUbuntu with KDE = KubuntuJul 23 00:18
DaemonFC+ crap = LinspireJul 23 00:19
schestowitzHi, agentJul 23 00:19
ThistleWebyeah I thought thre mepis thing was odd at the time, debian, a couple (maybe one) of ubuntu, then back to debianJul 23 00:19
Agent-SmithGood evening folksJul 23 00:19
DaemonFCThistleWeb: Typically every distro that bases off Ubuntu leaves eventuallyJul 23 00:19
DaemonFCif not at the very next opportunityJul 23 00:19
Agent-SmithBTW,  FISL 11 is going full steam in Porto AlegreJul 23 00:20
snakeyeI left Ubuntu before it pushed mono on everybody, went Archlinux + kdeJul 23 00:20
ThistleWebfrom what I understand ubuntu are embedding more and more ubuntu speific things in like ubuntu one that it's harder for base distros to remove it and have a regular release cycleJul 23 00:20
DaemonFCUbuntu patches things to work for their use casesJul 23 00:20
DaemonFCnot necessarily yoursJul 23 00:20
DaemonFC:)Jul 23 00:20
Agent-SmithUbuntu is doing something crappyJul 23 00:20
DaemonFCNot that Debian is known for having the cleanest upstreaming policyJul 23 00:20
DaemonFCbut Ubuntu packages are like irrevocably contaminated :PJul 23 00:21
schestowitzAgent-Smith: just some thing?Jul 23 00:21
Agent-SmithWell, lotsJul 23 00:21
Agent-SmithBut this one thing annoys me a lotJul 23 00:21
DaemonFCI thought the Ubuntu One crap was all high level (though buggy and resource hogging) Python crap?Jul 23 00:21
Agent-SmithThey R changing the names of the libs, so the packages become incompatible with DebianJul 23 00:22
ThistleWebI'm curious to see where the mint debian version goes to see what the differemce is in actually running itJul 23 00:22
DaemonFCthey're not going to maintain bothJul 23 00:22
ThistleWebno they wontJul 23 00:22
DaemonFCthey wouldn't be investigating using a Debian base if they weren't planning to switchJul 23 00:22
Agent-SmithDo u understand, they are changing the dependency tree, to do not allow debian packages and vice versaJul 23 00:23
ThistleWebthe debian is very much a side projectJul 23 00:23
ThistleWebit may be a feeler for a switch somewhere down the lineJul 23 00:23
ThistleWebbut for now it's a side projectJul 23 00:23
DaemonFCyeah, they have blacklistings for certain Debian packagesJul 23 00:23
DaemonFCso they never get pulled in in preference to the Ubuntu-modified oneJul 23 00:23
*ThistleWeb feels he should point out that he's a happy Mint userJul 23 00:23
*ThistleWeb wasnt to avoid any conflict of interest issues lolJul 23 00:24
Agent-SmithThis is kinda Appleish from Canonical...Jul 23 00:24
DaemonFCUbuntu is mainly jsut a passive consumer of the software stack they useJul 23 00:24
DaemonFCGreg-KH did an honest comparison onceJul 23 00:24
DaemonFCwhere he highlighted that even Mandriva in bankruptcy is contributing 3 times the patches upstream that Ubunu isJul 23 00:25
DaemonFC:PJul 23 00:25
DaemonFCand Debian was like double UbuntuJul 23 00:25
Agent-SmithYup, I found them leecherJul 23 00:25
DaemonFCand Fedora and OpenSuse blew most everything else awayJul 23 00:25
Agent-SmithLeechers, I meanJul 23 00:25
DaemonFChe tracked them over a two year period and found out they contributed one patch upstream to XorgJul 23 00:26
DaemonFC(Ubuntu did)Jul 23 00:26
DaemonFCheheJul 23 00:26
Agent-SmithYupJul 23 00:26
Agent-SmithThere's a saying for thisJul 23 00:26
Agent-SmithHave sexual pleasures with someone else' s dick...Jul 23 00:26
schestowitzLinux for Selfish Humans?Jul 23 00:26
DaemonFCand that they were doing less than 1/10th of 1% of the work on LinuxJul 23 00:27
cubezzz3one of the distros I use isn't even on distrowatchJul 23 00:27
DaemonFChe had to round up to give them thatJul 23 00:27
ThistleWebare they submitting them and the projects not taking them though?Jul 23 00:27
Agent-SmithBut, folksJul 23 00:27
Agent-SmithI dropped byJul 23 00:27
DaemonFCwell a lot of the work they do doesn't meet the quality standards of the upstream projectJul 23 00:27
Agent-SmithBecause I saw someJul 23 00:27
Agent-Smithpuzzling newsJul 23 00:27
DaemonFCso even when they offer stuff, half the time upstream says HELL NO!Jul 23 00:27
ThistleWebthat does seem hard to believeJul 23 00:28
Agent-SmithTake a look at thisJul 23 00:28
snakeyethat's funny in a sad and pathetic sort of way ;)Jul 23 00:28
Agent-Smithhttp://mashable.com/2010/07/22/microsoft-q4-financials/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Mashable+(Mashable)&utm_content=Google+ReaderJul 23 00:28
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ThistleWebI could imagine that for the odd patch here and there but not as a patternJul 23 00:28
Agent-SmithI read thatJul 23 00:28
schestowitzLayoffsJul 23 00:28
DaemonFCthey have one guy that I found to be semi-competant with regards to their kernel teamJul 23 00:28
Agent-SmithAnd my eyes started to rollJul 23 00:28
DaemonFC(which is about 9 people)Jul 23 00:28
DaemonFCTim GardnerJul 23 00:28
Agent-SmithWTF ?!?!?!?Jul 23 00:28
cubezzz3they peaked now they are trailing offJul 23 00:28
DaemonFCand he's so busy playing patch monkey that he hardly ever sends stuff upstreamJul 23 00:29
schestowitzAgent-Smith: it's spinJul 23 00:29
schestowitzI'll write a post about it laterJul 23 00:29
Agent-SmithGuys, M$ must have a genius/magician accountant...Jul 23 00:29
schestowitzMashable it parroting press releases, as usualJul 23 00:29
schestowitzAgent-Smith: noJul 23 00:29
schestowitzHe ran awayJul 23 00:29
schestowitzAnd they paid him millions not to talk about whyJul 23 00:29
DaemonFCGreg KH pointed out somewhat comically, that if Nvidia went out of business, it would be more of a loss to Xorg and Linux than if Ubuntu disappearedJul 23 00:30
DaemonFC:)Jul 23 00:30
schestowitzYou have to be an accountant to understand their tricksJul 23 00:30
Agent-SmithAhh, I see... Is he the guy from Microsoft TaxDodger.com ???Jul 23 00:30
schestowitzNoJul 23 00:30
schestowitzhttp://www.abajournal.com/news/article/goldman_sachs_gc_got_38.3m_in_midst_of_2008_crisis/Jul 23 00:30
TechrightsBotTitle: Goldman Sachs General Counsel Got $38.3M in Midst of 2008 Crisis - News - ABA Journal .::. Size~: 30.25 KBJul 23 00:30
cubezzz3look at the stock... it's flatJul 23 00:30
cubezzz3it's been flat for agesJul 23 00:31
Agent-SmithI see, I've read that article already...Jul 23 00:31
schestowitzhttp://voices.washingtonpost.com/political-economy/2010/07/sen_levin_on_goldman_sachs_whe.htmlJul 23 00:31
DaemonFCNvidia contributes to Xorg and Linux when it's necessary to make their products workJul 23 00:31
DaemonFCso they do actually contribute, sometimesJul 23 00:31
schestowitzHeh. Ubuntu is the queen termiteJul 23 00:32
cubezzz3probably better just to make your own distro and patch it the way you likeJul 23 00:32
cubezzz3I pretty much did that with BL3Jul 23 00:32
DaemonFCschestowitz: They're busy desperately tryign to turn a profitJul 23 00:33
DaemonFCso they're pumping Ubuntu full of bloat and spam and advertisingJul 23 00:33
DaemonFCand it's really not helping the quality of their distroJul 23 00:33
ThistleWebas much as I'd love to see ubuntu do well, the queality has seemed to sufferJul 23 00:34
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h3kgMAkbLwyfxBdjzw8Pc4KZ7DhQD9H2QVA80Jul 23 00:34
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DaemonFCthey're more concerned with making sure Ubuntu One pops up everywhere than the drag their plugins have on things like speed of the file browserJul 23 00:34
DaemonFCand whether Nautilus crashes a lot or notJul 23 00:34
ender2070YUMMMMMAH!!!! http://www.asylum.com/2010/07/22/its-the-worlds-strongest-most-expensive-beer-inside-a-squi/Jul 23 00:34
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ThistleWebmint seem to manage to mitigate that quite a lot and put out a polished product, even if it is a bit later releasedJul 23 00:34
Agent-SmithBTW, I'm reading Barbarians Lead By Bill Gates...Jul 23 00:35
schestowitzender2070: beat you to it!Jul 23 00:35
cubezzz3try World War 3.0 Agent-Smith :)Jul 23 00:35
DaemonFCThistleWeb: Is Mint still search hijacking Firefox?Jul 23 00:35
ender2070damn youJul 23 00:35
ender2070i was sleepingJul 23 00:35
DaemonFCwith that Google Custom Search that breaks your shit? :)Jul 23 00:35
Agent-SmithI'm finding it interestingJul 23 00:35
Agent-SmithAhh, Brandon, R u there ???Jul 23 00:35
ender2070yeahJul 23 00:35
schestowitzender2070: in the afternoon?Jul 23 00:35
ender2070i've gotten so little sleep the last few daysJul 23 00:36
schestowitzStop drinking that squirrel, damn it!Jul 23 00:36
Agent-SmithYeah, E-17 RULEZJul 23 00:36
ender2070my body is catching upJul 23 00:36
ender2070lolJul 23 00:36
ThistleWebDaemonFC: yeah its still there by default, I always remove it because I dont use google searchJul 23 00:36
ender2070i've been going to bed around 2-3 and waking up at 6:30am for schoolJul 23 00:36
*DaemonFC slaps schestowitz with SquirrelFish Extreme!Jul 23 00:36
Agent-SmithMan, That Lefty friend of yours, what a weird chap...Jul 23 00:36
ThistleWebapparently peeps who do use google say it's not as good as the regular google seacrh, or they'd happily use itJul 23 00:36
schestowitzender2070: these bottles give a whole new meaning to "sucking on a beaver"Jul 23 00:36
ender2070im not friends with people who don't existJul 23 00:36
Agent-SmithEheheheheheh... The guy must be schizoid or somethingJul 23 00:37
schestowitzIt's intoxicating, that beaver with a bottleJul 23 00:37
Agent-SmithOther day, he was very friendly, offered to help me with some issues I had with Linux From Scratch...Jul 23 00:38
ender2070im building LFS right nowJul 23 00:38
ThistleWebit is easy enough to remove, if you know it's a package in the repos, not a regular firefox addon, which I think is a bit off personallyJul 23 00:38
schestowitzAgent-Smith: "schmoozing"Jul 23 00:38
ender2070im in the middle of one of the stepsJul 23 00:38
Agent-SmithOf course I looked at him this way (G_G)  Jul 23 00:39
Agent-SmithEhehehehehJul 23 00:39
schestowitzhttp://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-07-20/canadian-stocks-rise-as-fuels-copper-gold-futures-all-advance.htmlJul 23 00:39
Agent-SmithLFS is gr8Jul 23 00:39
TechrightsBotTitle: Canadian Stocks Rise as Fuels, Copper, Gold Futures All Advance - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 48.03 KBJul 23 00:39
ThistleWebit only takes the searches if you search with the mint google, not the regular googleJul 23 00:39
ender2070how is that any different than canonical hijacking firefox search?Jul 23 00:40
ender2070(vs mint doing it)Jul 23 00:40
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/42731751#notice-43074206 "I don't really get that - openSUSE is mostly independent (and getting more so), what needs forking?"Jul 23 00:41
TechrightsBotTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.25 KBJul 23 00:41
ThistleWebthe home page is set to mint's own, you dont have to use it, the default search box is set to mint's own, you dont have to use itJul 23 00:41
schestowitz trademark is a problem to OpenSUSE folksJul 23 00:41
ThistleWebit's one of the first things I remove in a mint installJul 23 00:41
ender2070Mint is rebasing on debian isn't it?Jul 23 00:42
Agent-SmithI used Open Suse 10.3Jul 23 00:42
Agent-SmithI heard so...Jul 23 00:42
ender2070i used to use suse before novell came aroundJul 23 00:42
ender2070suse linux professional 9.xJul 23 00:42
ThistleWebyes and no, the debian mint is a side project, it's still with ubuntu for the regualr mintJul 23 00:42
ender20708.x tooJul 23 00:42
schestowitzBefore it became BallnuxJul 23 00:42
ender2070yeahJul 23 00:42
schestowitzNovell had some Microsoft-hostile adsJul 23 00:42
schestowitzThey removed themJul 23 00:42
ender2070i remember it was one of the first to adopt kernel 2.6Jul 23 00:42
ThistleWebthey may decide down the line to switch, but it's still ubuntu based for nowJul 23 00:42
schestowitzAlmost nothing is based on SUSEJul 23 00:43
ender2070after novell took over they favoured gnome, with its stupid Red Carpet updater and Ximian GnomeJul 23 00:43
schestowitzThere's not even a 'centos' of SLESJul 23 00:43
Agent-SmithCentOS is coolJul 23 00:43
ender2070Scientific is betterJul 23 00:44
ender2070faster copying of RHELJul 23 00:44
Agent-SmithAlthough it lags behind RHJul 23 00:44
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2006/12/27/stafford-masie-presentation-at-citi-forum-transcript/Jul 23 00:44
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schestowitzThat's Novell explaining Ximian and Red CarpetJul 23 00:44
ender2070Scientific Linux 5.5 came out a lot sooner than Centos 5.5Jul 23 00:44
ender2070same shitJul 23 00:45
schestowitzSaying Scientific Linux is like saying "Greedy Microsoft"Jul 23 00:45
ender2070as for suse i did use it with novell around but i switched away from it shortly afterJul 23 00:45
schestowitzIt's impliedJul 23 00:45
schestowitzLinux  *is* scientific Jul 23 00:45
ender2070you know what i meanJul 23 00:45
ender2070the distroJul 23 00:45
ender2070https://www.scientificlinux.org/Jul 23 00:46
TechrightsBotTitle: Scientific Linux - Welcome to Scientific Linux (SL) .::. Size~: 24.46 KBJul 23 00:46
schestowitzLinux is made by some CD phdsJul 23 00:46
schestowitz*CSJul 23 00:46
schestowitzANd it's not a bunch of lawyers+marketingJul 23 00:46
schestowitzLike BillG+SteveBJul 23 00:46
schestowitz'Stealing' code from trash canJul 23 00:47
Agent-SmithLOLJul 23 00:47
schestowitzIn hope of making lots of money from people who can actually codeJul 23 00:47
schestowitzhttp://www.mysmartrend.com/news-briefs/news-watch/red-hat-rht-crosses-pivot-point-resistance-3197Jul 23 00:47
TechrightsBotTitle: Red Hat (RHT) Crosses Pivot Point Resistance at $31.97 | Comtex SmarTrend .::. Size~: 21.58 KBJul 23 00:47
schestowitzRed Hat is where brains areJul 23 00:48
schestowitzMicrosoft is where.... well, the rest fallJul 23 00:48
schestowitzAnd cheap labour from AsiaJul 23 00:48
Agent-SmithYou probably read Tim's article about the Fall of Redmond EmpireJul 23 00:49
schestowitzRIM sold more than 1000 times more phones than KINJul 23 00:49
schestowitzWhen people think of RIM they think O' CanadaJul 23 00:49
ender2070redhat does sell out sometimes thoughJul 23 00:49
ender2070nobody is perfectJul 23 00:49
schestowitzBut a lot of people falsely think of Microsoft as "USA"Jul 23 00:50
schestowitzThey are notJul 23 00:50
schestowitzThey import people with visas and look for suckers who take $50 for 15-hour work daysJul 23 00:50
ender2070[19:40] <schestowitz> 'Stealing' code from trash canJul 23 00:50
ender2070CODEPLEXJul 23 00:50
schestowitzAnd it shows (they produce kin, zune, lousy xbox 360..)Jul 23 00:50
ender2070They only accept licenses they can steal code fromJul 23 00:50
schestowitzCodePlex is where code comes to dieJul 23 00:51
ender2070not even the fake microsoft in the movie 'Antitrust' did thatJul 23 00:51
ender2070they had cameras in peoples homesJul 23 00:51
ender2070this removes that requirementJul 23 00:51
ender2070it was funny in that movie, they were copying and pasting code or something out of the spy cam footageJul 23 00:52
schestowitzhttp://www.marketwatch.com/story/tech-data-earns-top-honors-from-fujitsu-red-hat-and-samsung-2010-07-15?reflink=MW_news_stmpJul 23 00:53
TechrightsBotTitle: Tech Data Earns Top Honors from Fujitsu, Red Hat and Samsung - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 77.73 KBJul 23 00:53
schestowitzVIsta Phone 7 doesn't have copy and paste functionalityJul 23 00:53
schestowitzLess is moreJul 23 00:53
schestowitzLess is less is... MicrosoftJul 23 00:54
schestowitzMicrosoft has already presold 90k Vista Phone 7sJul 23 00:54
DaemonFCI like my J2ME phoneJul 23 00:54
schestowitzIt forced its employees to accept themJul 23 00:54
DaemonFCit's pretty easy to manageJul 23 00:54
schestowitzDay 1 after release: "we're selling at a pace of 100k per day !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1"Jul 23 00:55
schestowitzTrueJul 23 00:55
schestowitzTechnically...Jul 23 00:55
DaemonFC"- As more applications move to the web browser via plugins for technologies like Flash and Silverlight, the underlying operating system may matter less."Jul 23 00:55
DaemonFC-NvidiaJul 23 00:55
schestowitz"As more games move to the web browser and consoles, the GPU may matter less." -meJul 23 00:56
snakeyeflash is gonna dieJul 23 00:56
Agent-SmithHey folksJul 23 00:56
Agent-SmithWatch now Fisl 11Jul 23 00:56
Agent-Smithhttp://noticiasaovivo.terra.com.br/noticias/noticias/371-br/Jul 23 00:56
TechrightsBotTitle: Pequim 2008 - Notícias, fotos, vídeos, calendário, recordes, história, nas Olimpíadas Terra  .::. Size~: 8.89 KBJul 23 00:56
schestowitzsnakeye: not die, just go to sleep permanentlyJul 23 00:56
schestowitz"Pass away to a better place..."Jul 23 00:57
schestowitzAgent-Smith: I told a friend about FISL on TuesdayJul 23 00:57
schestowitzHe's looking for an FS event to go to in S.AmericaJul 23 00:57
Agent-SmithOhh, FISL is gr8Jul 23 00:57
snakeyethey can't even do an x86_64, how backwards can they get?Jul 23 00:57
schestowitzAgent-Smith: Microsoft will call the CIAJul 23 00:58
schestowitzAnd ask the CIA to overthrow Lula :-)Jul 23 00:58
DaemonFCMandriva has gotten much less buggyJul 23 00:58
Agent-SmithPity I haven't got money to go to Fisl 11... :-(Jul 23 00:58
schestowitzThey can help train a guerilla army in the AmazonJul 23 00:58
DaemonFCover the last couple of yearsJul 23 00:58
schestowitzMicrosoft Corp. = United Fruit Company 2.0Jul 23 00:58
Agent-SmithCIA is busy now, with Fidel and ChavezJul 23 00:58
schestowitzI knowJul 23 00:59
DaemonFCwhat amused me is that their installer still uses a mockup of KDE 3 to show you what your screen resolution setting will look likeJul 23 00:59
Agent-SmithMr. Maddog is here in the FislJul 23 00:59
schestowitzHe always goesJul 23 00:59
DaemonFCAgent-Smith: Hasn't the CIA given up trying to kill Castro?Jul 23 00:59
DaemonFChe'll die of old age within a few years nowJul 23 01:00
Agent-SmithThey want to derail Cuban govmtJul 23 01:00
schestowitzhttp://www.archive.org/search.php?query=mediatype%3Amovies%20AND%20collection%3Adigitaltippingpoint%20AND%20subject%3A%22FISL%20Conference%22Jul 23 01:00
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Agent-SmithFidel passed the torch to his brother, RaulJul 23 01:00
schestowitzhttp://www.archive.org/search.php?query=mediatype%3Amovies%20AND%20collection%3Adigitaltippingpoint%20AND%20subject%3A%22FISL%20Con%205%22Jul 23 01:00
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schestowitzAs oggJul 23 01:00
DaemonFCRaul is in his 70sJul 23 01:00
DaemonFC76 I thinkJul 23 01:00
DaemonFCthat's not exactly youngJul 23 01:00
Agent-SmithYup, but he's in better shape than Fidel...Jul 23 01:01
DaemonFCit will be interesting what happens when both of them are deadJul 23 01:01
schestowitzCHina will have dominatedJul 23 01:01
Agent-SmithToo many cigars charged their toll...Jul 23 01:01
schestowitzAnd they are hybrid commucapitalistsJul 23 01:01
DaemonFCpower vaccum in a dictatorship is always interestingJul 23 01:01
Agent-Smith:-DJul 23 01:01
schestowitzUS will go tippytoe and ask China for permission to lobby CubaJul 23 01:01
schestowitzAnd China will say, "NO!!! Back to work!Jul 23 01:02
Agent-SmithActually, China holds a Damocles sword over USA's head...Jul 23 01:02
Agent-SmithUSA's debts with China R hugeJul 23 01:02
schestowitzDaemonFC is a proud citizen, he'll lash outJul 23 01:03
Agent-SmithSo, China kinda controls USAJul 23 01:03
schestowitzUS astronauts will soon hop on Chinese air missionsJul 23 01:03
schestowitzNASA will help Americans get a hitch to spaceJul 23 01:03
Agent-SmithCitizen from USA or China ???Jul 23 01:03
DaemonFCNASAs job is apparently making towelheads feel good about themselvesJul 23 01:04
schestowitzCause the US increased investments in space, just not the good parts after Bush helped his mates with contractsJul 23 01:04
DaemonFCso we don't have a space agency anymoreJul 23 01:04
schestowitzNo moon missions for a long time, after about 12 landings/peopleJul 23 01:04
schestowitzDaemonFC: so take the towel off your head!Jul 23 01:05
Agent-SmithThe last lecture of the dayJul 23 01:05
schestowitzhttp://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/4321532Jul 23 01:05
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Agent-SmithWas about Meeg/Moblin developmentJul 23 01:05
Agent-SmithMeego I meanJul 23 01:05
schestowitzhttp://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=201007191638dowjonesdjonline000416&title=vmware-looks-for-new-growth-in-desktop-virtualizationJul 23 01:06
TechrightsBotTitle: VMware Looks For New Growth In Desktop Virtualization .::. Size~: 61.7 KBJul 23 01:06
schestowitzMicrosofters aim at desktop from another vectorJul 23 01:06
schestowitzMeeGo is no-goJul 23 01:06
schestowitzhttp://blogs.computerworld.com/16583/android_may_have_the_phones_but_meego_may_get_the_carsJul 23 01:06
TechrightsBotTitle: Android may have the phones, but MeeGo may get the cars - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 64.16 KBJul 23 01:06
Agent-SmithWell, It's Intel + Nokia joint effortJul 23 01:07
Agent-SmithANd the guy was saying Intel is doing the low level Jul 23 01:07
DaemonFCNASA is supposed to congratulate Arabs over their contributions to societyJul 23 01:07
DaemonFCbarbaric religion and car bombs I guessJul 23 01:07
Agent-SmithWhile Nokia is doing the Qt and interface stuffJul 23 01:07
Agent-SmithBut, since Intel doesn't have decent vide drivers, I see cloud skies for MeegoJul 23 01:08
schestowitzameego is what Miguel calls WIndowsJul 23 01:08
Agent-SmithEHEHEHEHHEHEJul 23 01:08
Agent-SmithLOLJul 23 01:08
DaemonFCre-implement Windows API in "managed code" on top of LinuxJul 23 01:09
DaemonFCMono is the Mexican WindowsJul 23 01:09
schestowitzhttp://www.gurufocus.com/news.php?id=100582Jul 23 01:09
TechrightsBotTitle: Red Hat Inc. (RHT) EVP, CFO Charles E Jr Peters sells 2,879 Shares -- GuruFocus.com .::. Size~: 46.92 KBJul 23 01:10
Agent-SmithWell, Got to go now, it was a fine time with you guys. I'll keep on Identi.Ca, if you need to pass me anything.Jul 23 01:10
schestowitzGuillermo AmaralJul 23 01:10
Agent-SmithOk?Jul 23 01:10
schestowitzhttp://www.twit.tv/floss127Jul 23 01:10
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Agent-SmithGood night folksJul 23 01:11
schestowitzokJul 23 01:11
DaemonFClet us manage your code for youJul 23 01:11
Agent-SmithByeJul 23 01:11
DaemonFCwe'll manage those pesky users tooJul 23 01:11
DaemonFClots of things need to be "managed"Jul 23 01:11
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schestowitzdr[m]Jul 23 01:11
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_codename_%22Acropolis%22Jul 23 01:14
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DaemonFC"On October 29, 2007, the Acropolis team announced that Acropolis will not be released as a standalone product nor will there be any newer CTP releases."Jul 23 01:14
DaemonFCProject Necropolis Jul 23 01:14
DaemonFCB-)Jul 23 01:14
schestowitzNecro is death, no?Jul 23 01:15
DaemonFCNecropolis = Large  cemetaryJul 23 01:15
DaemonFCa pile of dead and abandoned ideasJul 23 01:15
DaemonFC:)Jul 23 01:15
DaemonFCProject NecropolisJul 23 01:16
schestowitzDetroit, MIJul 23 01:20
schestowitzBeats Toyko :-)Jul 23 01:20
ThistleWebarent the Necro Polis, the department of the Police who deal with corpse humpin'? ;)Jul 23 01:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] "Five Reasons You Don't Need Microsoft Office 2010" http://bit.ly/ayhuG7uJul 23 01:24
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schestowitzThistleWeb: that's the South African policeJul 23 01:29
schestowitzPlaying with corpsesJul 23 01:29
ThistleWeblolJul 23 01:29
schestowitzBack in the daysJul 23 01:29
schestowitzNecrophile in Negropolis?Jul 23 01:29
ThistleWebany connection to Negroponte?Jul 23 01:30
schestowitzOLPCJul 23 01:30
schestowitzgnJul 23 01:31
ThistleWebone laptop per corpse?Jul 23 01:31
schestowitzheheJul 23 01:31
schestowitzgnJul 23 01:31
ThistleWebo/Jul 23 01:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @rcweir broken URLJul 23 01:31
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DaemonFChttp://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-in-lugar-refugeecomm,0,4726879.storyJul 23 01:59
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DaemonFCmove criminals with Hepatitis in by the thousandsJul 23 01:59
DaemonFCpay to clean up the mess the feds causedJul 23 01:59
DaemonFCcontinue to have rest of world wag their fingers at us for "not doing enough"Jul 23 02:00
*DaemonFC wonders if schestowitz would approve of his government moving in thousands of "refugees" with AIDS and Hepatitis to the UK who would proceed to mug himJul 23 02:01
DaemonFCyou can take one for the team, right? :)Jul 23 02:01
DaemonFCit would probably be eaier to sue the federal government to recoup the costs of treating the disease outbreak they causedJul 23 02:02
DaemonFCthan to keep absorbing it while they move more of these parasites inJul 23 02:02
DaemonFChttp://lh6.ggpht.com/_FBlhhjjfQMQ/SxpWwLizqOI/AAAAAAAAGms/pXzb-JexFNc/s912/bill_gates-nq8.pngJul 23 02:19
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DaemonFChttp://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/07/22/2154235/Feds-Bust-Chinese-Firms-Hybrid-Car-Data-HeistJul 23 02:53
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DaemonFChttp://www.asylum.com/2010/07/22/its-the-worlds-strongest-most-expensive-beer-inside-a-squi/Jul 23 02:59
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DaemonFChttp://it.slashdot.org/story/10/07/22/1819239/Microsoft-Makes-Major-Shift-In-Disclosure-Policy?art_pos=8Jul 23 03:08
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DaemonFClolJul 23 03:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] "Five Reasons You Don't Need Microsoft Office 2010" http://bit.ly/ayhuG7Jul 23 03:09
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DaemonFChttp://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/07/22/1339215/Forced-iAds-Coming-To-OS-XJul 23 03:22
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DaemonFCMinceR's Mac isn't safeJul 23 03:22
DaemonFChttp://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/07/22/125245/A-Windows-Phone-7-For-Every-MicrosoftieJul 23 03:23
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DaemonFCMicrosoft passing out 90,000 free Windows Phone 7 phones to employeesJul 23 03:23
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cubezzz3of course we don't need Microsoft OfficeJul 23 03:27
Diablo-D3http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5rraqJlmK1qaezsko1_500.jpgJul 23 03:43
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cubezzz3ok, that is funnyJul 23 03:44
DaemonFCcubezzz3: distributing 90,000 "free" phones isn't a huge deal to themJul 23 03:45
DaemonFCthey can declare it a "business promotional expense"Jul 23 03:45
DaemonFCon their taxesJul 23 03:45
cubezzz3I don't even own a cell phoneJul 23 03:46
DaemonFCcubezzz3: I donated my old 486 to the Salvation ArmyJul 23 03:46
cubezzz3one less bill to worry aboutJul 23 03:46
DaemonFCand itemized it as a computer that I valued at $500Jul 23 03:46
DaemonFC:PJul 23 03:46
cubezzz3well, good for youJul 23 03:47
DaemonFCwhat can I say?Jul 23 03:47
DaemonFCI can be a philanthropistJul 23 03:47
cubezzz3the Salvation Army does a lot to help peopleJul 23 03:47
DaemonFC:)Jul 23 03:47
cubezzz3I give them some money each yearJul 23 03:47
cubezzz3and I doubt you wanted to keep the 486Jul 23 03:47
DaemonFCnopeJul 23 03:48
DaemonFCbetter to use it as a tax deductionJul 23 03:48
cubezzz3I wanted a box for FreeDos, so I keep mineJul 23 03:48
DaemonFCthe last time I booted up FreeDOS it was to flash a BIOSJul 23 03:48
DaemonFCwhen I didn't have a copy of Windows handyJul 23 03:48
DaemonFCthere's a couple corner cases where FreeDOS is usefulJul 23 03:49
DaemonFCcubezzz3: People aren't giving Mandriva enough creditJul 23 03:51
Atlas2070I own a licenced MS-DOS 6.22Jul 23 03:51
DaemonFCKDE was useless to me until Mandriva put out those Pulseaudio/Phonon integration patchesJul 23 03:51
DaemonFCoddly enough I never had these audio device problems out of KDE 3 and aRtsJul 23 03:52
Atlas2070MS-DOS > Free-DOSJul 23 03:53
DaemonFCAtlas2070: You could get a licensed copy of Windows 3.1 under some circumstances up until 2008Jul 23 03:53
DaemonFC:)Jul 23 03:53
Atlas2070I have windows for workgroups 3.11Jul 23 03:54
DaemonFCFreeDOS is in fact superior to MS-DOSJul 23 03:54
DaemonFCas far as DOS environments goJul 23 03:54
Atlas2070did they get windows working on itJul 23 03:54
DaemonFCobviously maintaining MS-DOS compatibility constrains you quite a bitJul 23 03:54
DaemonFCyeahJul 23 03:54
DaemonFCyou can boot Windows 3.11 and earlier on FreeDOSJul 23 03:55
Atlas2070I actually got them for sending someone a gmail inviteJul 23 03:56
DaemonFCWindows 95 will fail to boot on anything other than MS-DOS 7Jul 23 03:56
Atlas2070back in the day you could trade invites for physical things on some trading sitesJul 23 03:56
DaemonFCI actually really really liked Windows 95Jul 23 03:56
DaemonFCWindows 98 completely ruined it thoughJul 23 03:56
Atlas2070they are bloated and slowJul 23 03:57
cubezzz3well I still play some dos games now and thenJul 23 03:57
cubezzz3plus there was the challenge of running Linux on a 16 meg boxJul 23 03:57
DaemonFCI liked 95, 2000, XP x64, and Windows 7 is passableJul 23 03:57
Atlas2070http://www.calmira.de/screenshots/chris_p2.htmJul 23 03:57
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Atlas2070win3.11Jul 23 03:57
DaemonFCNT 4, 98, Me, XP, and Vista just suckJul 23 03:58
cubezzz3nooo, not that :)Jul 23 03:58
Atlas2070way betterJul 23 03:58
DaemonFCyou can use Calmira II on WIndows 98Jul 23 03:58
cubezzz3well...Jul 23 03:58
cubezzz3I wanted to go FOSS ages agoJul 23 03:58
DaemonFCI compiled a Win32 version of itJul 23 03:59
DaemonFCto use on Windows 98Jul 23 03:59
DaemonFCto get around that horrible leaky Internet Explorer webby desktop shellJul 23 03:59
DaemonFC32-bit Calmira II actually uses less resources than Explorer 95 didJul 23 04:00
cubezzz3my over-riding criteria is can I get the sourceJul 23 04:01
DaemonFCI used Blackbox for WindowsJul 23 04:01
DaemonFCon XPJul 23 04:01
cubezzz3but even before I try to get the source, I try to find the simplest lowest memory using program I can findJul 23 04:01
cubezzz3if it does what I want, I'm doneJul 23 04:02
DaemonFCwithin reason anywayJul 23 04:02
DaemonFCthere's quite a bit of FOSS that is full of bug and bloated as all hellJul 23 04:03
cubezzz3no doubtJul 23 04:03
cubezzz3that's why I like to write code myselfJul 23 04:03
DaemonFCbut generally, doing a rush job full of useless features intentionally is the norm of proprietary softwareJul 23 04:03
DaemonFCso it's the exception, not the rule on FOSSJul 23 04:03
DaemonFCbut there are instances where it turns out that way :PJul 23 04:04
cubezzz3I can even do ssl on links in text modeJul 23 04:04
DaemonFCevery version of Windows is full of crap that I wonder what human being could have possibly asked forJul 23 04:04
DaemonFCyou just don't find yourself asking that a lot in the interface of KDE or GNOMEJul 23 04:04
DaemonFCif it's there, it's useful to at least someoneJul 23 04:05
cubezzz3some of the Loki stuff is very good, but I don't have source for itJul 23 04:05
DaemonFCthings exist in Windows just to make it look like it's progressingJul 23 04:05
cubezzz3that's just the way it is, I didn't know anyone in authority at LokiJul 23 04:05
DaemonFCwell, there's a lot of leftover Loki stuff out thereJul 23 04:06
DaemonFCthey didn't just go underJul 23 04:06
DaemonFCthey sold a lot of assets in bankruptcyJul 23 04:06
cubezzz3no, it was quite a long time ago Jul 23 04:06
DaemonFCATI Catalyst still uses a Loki installerJul 23 04:06
Atlas2070lolJul 23 04:07
cubezzz3so does LGPJul 23 04:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @rcweir: "Five Reasons You Don't Need Microsoft Office 2010" http://bit.ly/ayhuG7Jul 23 04:07
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cubezzz3well's it's updated of courseJul 23 04:07
cubezzz3I still play rt2Jul 23 04:07
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DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BbLeanJul 23 04:08
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cubezzz3I might even be able to do internet banking on the 486Jul 23 04:09
cubezzz3I think I can do gmailJul 23 04:10
cubezzz3trying it nowJul 23 04:10
cubezzz3it looks like crap but it worksJul 23 04:10
DaemonFCthere's probably a POP3 client you can useJul 23 04:11
DaemonFCI do like Kmail :)Jul 23 04:12
cubezzz3ahhh, no wayJul 23 04:12
cubezzz3too big and fatJul 23 04:12
cubezzz3muttJul 23 04:12
cubezzz3I can just ssh into the main serverJul 23 04:12
cubezzz3from the 486Jul 23 04:12
cubezzz3if I wanted to check my emails on the 486Jul 23 04:13
cubezzz3so much nicer to just update when you wantJul 23 04:16
cubezzz3rather than dumping everything and putting X+1 version onJul 23 04:16
DaemonFCBP is trying to bribe a lot of Indiana politiciansJul 23 04:17
DaemonFCwho are sending the checks back :PJul 23 04:17
DaemonFCyeah, cashing that check would do 100 times the PR damage it's worthJul 23 04:17
DaemonFC:PJul 23 04:17
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DaemonFCwhat really pisses me off are those parents who pray for their kids and don't let them get medical treatmentJul 23 04:41
DaemonFCthen the kid dies and the parents not only don't go to jail, they're allowed to reproduce againJul 23 04:41
DaemonFCyou want to be an idiot and hurt yourself, more power to youJul 23 04:42
DaemonFCbut you just know those people wouldn't stand around and "pray" and let themselves die of treatable illnessJul 23 04:42
DaemonFCthen there's the idiots that go to those faith healers, then there's a few cases where the cancer goes into remission (like cancer tends to do all by itself sometimes)Jul 23 04:44
DaemonFCbut it must have been God!Jul 23 04:44
DaemonFCthen you can't ever shut the people up that "witnessed a miracle"Jul 23 04:44
DaemonFC"Oh my god, Jeb Bush is running for president with the slogan 'I'm gonna finish what my brother started'....at least the comedy recession is over" -David LettermanJul 23 04:49
DaemonFClolJul 23 04:49
DaemonFChmmmJul 23 04:51
DaemonFCDavid Letterman's guest tonight is Joan Rivers B-)Jul 23 04:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The copyright cops - http://bit.ly/aCrsMK good piece on ridiculous situation: "effectively a legalised cartel" (via @AngryAtkin) #copyrightJul 23 07:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Twitter Translate - http://bit.ly/bZIuTd hadn't seen this before: "Translators receive a special badge on their Twitter page" #translationJul 23 07:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @nikhilnarayanan: A Sreedhara Menon is no more. Owe him much. Though repetitive at some points, his books on Kerala history are a treasurJul 23 07:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Australian government blocks out 90% of document on web-spying plans - http://bit.ly/bTt29X could cause "premature unnecessary debate" #auJul 23 07:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Inside Facebook's Open Source Infrastructure - http://bit.ly/9lIfnq not news, but has useful details #facebook #opensourceJul 23 07:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @rcweir: "Five Reasons You Don't Need Microsoft Office 2010" http://bit.ly/ayhuG7Jul 23 07:49
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] WordPress vs. Thesis: The battle is over - http://bit.ly/aTqS1E GPL wins; kudos to all, especially @photomatt for drawing a line in the sandJul 23 07:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @mrhinkle My cab driver just told me he was an Ubuntu user and loved free software, he even knew what FLOSS was very cool. #opensourceJul 23 07:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Facebook Wants to Own All Your Social Graphs, Not Just One - http://bit.ly/c4awv7 so, Facebook is the new Google, huh? #facebookJul 23 08:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Newspaper Chain’s New Business Plan: Copyright Suits - http://bit.ly/atgpBy because that worked so well for recording industry #copyrightJul 23 08:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: WordPress vs Thesis Battle is over http://bit.ly/aTqS1E GPL wins kudos to all especially @photomatt for drawing line in sandJul 23 08:18
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schestowitzHehe: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/f562d15c38dea67a/739d74cfc87df568Jul 23 08:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody RT @mrhinkle My cab driver just told me he was an Ubuntu user and loved free software, he even knew what FLOSS was very cool.Jul 23 08:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] pic of the week: Last Folio - http://bit.ly/9aTkAZ Tarkovsky would have loved it #pix #melancholyJul 23 08:30
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schestowitzhttp://www.stephenfry.com/2010/07/22/beijing-22nd-july-2010/Jul 23 08:37
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schestowitzhttp://www.itworld.com/tech-amp-society/114593/are-days-books-numberedJul 23 08:39
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schestowitzProbablyJul 23 08:39
schestowitzSome people still argue against this argumentJul 23 08:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] World Music on Radio 3 - Current Programmes and Archive - http://bit.ly/d04tC7 "ten years of Radio 3 on-location recordings": nice stuffJul 23 08:42
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schestowitzhttp://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/Motorola-s-eFuse-Security-System-Bricks-Hacked-Android-PhonesJul 23 08:45
TechrightsBotTitle: Motorola's eFuse Security System Bricks Hacked Android Phones - Linux Magazine Online  .::. Size~: 31.34 KBJul 23 08:45
schestowitzSo has Motorola changed this back yet or not?Jul 23 08:45
schestowitzThe ./ post said something, didn't read it carefully though...Jul 23 08:45
schestowitzhttp://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/spend_challenge_ideas_2.htmJul 23 08:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] An article I wrote on building community, originally published in Linux Format - http://is.gd/dD5Du #communityJul 23 08:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Ubuntu One iPhone client source released - http://is.gd/dD5Q7 #ubuntuJul 23 08:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Laura rocking the Geeknic's again - organize one near you - http://is.gd/dD5Ut #communityJul 23 08:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Final day of the sprint here in Prague. It has been a busy but fun week. I am proud to have such an awesome team. :-)Jul 23 08:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] LUG@IITD -"FOSS User Group of NCR" has 1032 subscription. I think this should be under TOP 3 in India.Jul 23 09:06
schestowitzhttp://www.webupd8.org/2010/07/vlc-default-in-kubuntu-1010-maverick.htmlJul 23 09:07
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schestowitzHmmmmmm.... Ubuntu/Canonical develops for WIndows and Apple platforms now?Jul 23 09:08
schestowitzHow about writing some patches for Linux?Jul 23 09:08
Joehschestowitz: Money? :pJul 23 09:08
schestowitzJoeh: no, thanksJul 23 09:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon careful not to spend too much of Canonical's dev time (+money) developing for Windows/IOS/OS XJul 23 09:10
JoehI mean, perhaps they want money? They are a business afterall aren't they?Jul 23 09:11
MinceRright, and since all businesses are "equally evil" (according to m$), earning money means doing evil things.Jul 23 09:12
JoehMinceR: I wouldn't equate "Writing Software for Windows/Apple" to evil....Jul 23 09:12
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schestowitzI could sell myself for sex in some street corner for money, I choose not toJul 23 09:12
schestowitzOr as Groklaw once put it (re Novell), "I could sell my mom's blood for money"Jul 23 09:13
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schestowitzSadly, they do it due to moneyJul 23 09:17
schestowitzNot freedom, which they don't comprehendJul 23 09:18
schestowitz"You have the freedom to remain silent.."Jul 23 09:18
schestowitzHow to get infected: http://www.techdrivein.com/2010/07/install-new-banshee-173-in-ubuntu-1004.htmlJul 23 09:21
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/new?replyto=openuniverse&inreplyto=43154911 "it's better WITHOUT windows?"Jul 23 09:24
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schestowitz"You mean the suse one? It is owned by Novell?" http://identi.ca/conversation/42792818#notice-43155308Jul 23 09:24
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schestowitzHeh. Some people don't know Novell has trademarks on SUSEJul 23 09:25
MinceRIOS is fiasco system's crappy router os though :>Jul 23 09:25
schestowitzOpenSUSE devs can probably escape the covenant which says they will be "safe" as long as they don't make money if they renameJul 23 09:26
schestowitzIANALJul 23 09:26
schestowitzNovell says that OpenSUSE is OK as long as you don't make money from itJul 23 09:26
schestowitzMinceR: how does Apple spell it?Jul 23 09:27
schestowitziOS?Jul 23 09:27
JoehiOS 4 is horrible.Jul 23 09:27
schestowitziDiot OSJul 23 09:27
JoehBasically made my 3GS useless. Glad I had already bought an Android handset by then.Jul 23 09:27
schestowitzAt least it has added copy and paste at some stageJul 23 09:27
schestowitzUnlike Vista Phone 7Jul 23 09:27
JoehThe "multi-tasting" support is terrible.Jul 23 09:27
JoehtaskingJul 23 09:28
Joehschestowitz: Not until 3.0 was it?Jul 23 09:28
JoehOr was it 2.0... Can't remember.Jul 23 09:28
schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/281617 "nooo, he's the best thing that ever happened to the it industry since unix and gnu! STAY THE COURSE! rt @schestowitz Steve Ballmer at Risk of Being Thrown Out"Jul 23 09:29
TechrightsBotTitle: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Friday, 23-Jul-10 07:37:01 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 8.45 KBJul 23 09:29
schestowitzApple banned an app called openClip or somethingJul 23 09:29
schestowitzPasting ws banned... until Apple implemented itJul 23 09:29
Joehoh. Apple's app policy is terrible.Jul 23 09:29
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/43156418Jul 23 09:29
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schestowitzWell done to WPJul 23 09:30
JoehWHich I think is the reason MSFT chose for XNA Indie games to be peer reviewed, to avoid the same issues.Jul 23 09:30
schestowitzDefending the GPLJul 23 09:30
schestowitzFor freedom, not priceJul 23 09:30
MinceRyes, lowercase iJul 23 09:30
Joehschestowitz: I thought the GPL was pretty clear that you are free to charge money?Jul 23 09:31
MinceRwell, the "multitasking" in hypeOS is not multitaskingJul 23 09:32
JoehI was always under the impression, and I'm sure you can correct me. That open did not neccesarily mean free.Jul 23 09:32
MinceRif it were, m$-dos and PalmOS5 would be multitasking OS-es tooJul 23 09:32
JoehI thought they were distinct concepts.Jul 23 09:32
MinceRand yes, you can charge money for GPL-ed software, but market forces will likely reduce the price to 0 in most casesJul 23 09:32
MinceR(since someone who has the code and the license can give it away without having to pay anyone else)Jul 23 09:33
MinceR(i guess this is mostly dependent on practice though)Jul 23 09:33
JoehBut I'm assuming, for instance, I could say GPL a library for a game (Say Physics) and then charge for the game?Jul 23 09:33
schestowitzMinceR: round robin ain't multitasking eitherJul 23 09:34
schestowitzYou need multi-threading with cores assignedJul 23 09:34
MinceRnot necessarilyJul 23 09:34
schestowitzBut all is in RAM at the same timeJul 23 09:34
schestowitzSo technically you have the programs loaded at the same timeJul 23 09:34
JoehWhy can't you page a sleeping thread to disk schestowitz?Jul 23 09:35
JoehThat would still be multitasking...Jul 23 09:35
*schestowitz waits for Joeh to promote BSD-\style licencesJul 23 09:35
MinceRbot saving app state and exiting it is not multitasking and is not new; requiring an extra API for "background tasks" is like TSRs that hook timer and/or sound card interrupts in m$-dos and similar hooks in PalmOS5Jul 23 09:35
Joehschestowitz: Do I like GPL? No, I don't. LGPL? Sure. BSD? Sure.Jul 23 09:35
MinceRnot surprisingJul 23 09:35
MinceRm$ doesn't get to steal GPL so they hate it.Jul 23 09:36
schestowitzGermophobia (vviral GPL)Jul 23 09:36
JoehIt depends on the app though, I am not fundamentally against GPL. I think it should be up to the author.Jul 23 09:36
MinceRas it always isJul 23 09:36
schestowitzMost devs choose GPLJul 23 09:36
JoehI think something like the Linux kernel makes a lot of sense as GPLed project.Jul 23 09:36
JoehA game? Not so much.Jul 23 09:37
MinceRi'm not sure how something that only affects derivative works is "viral"Jul 23 09:37
schestowitzIt's notJul 23 09:37
schestowitzHypocrisyJul 23 09:37
JoehMinceR: The fact that if you link against it, the code you were linking is now under the GPLJul 23 09:37
JoehThat's right, right? :pJul 23 09:37
MinceRlinking is making a derivative workJul 23 09:37
MinceRyou use code from the headers, for instanceJul 23 09:38
MinceRif it weren't, the LGPL and the GPL could not differJul 23 09:38
JoehMinceR: Well, I'd still argue that's a stretch and somewhat viral.Jul 23 09:38
JoehLGPL on the other handJul 23 09:38
schestowitzNo blodJul 23 09:38
Joehmuch better :)Jul 23 09:38
schestowitz*boldJul 23 09:38
MinceRsince you can't write binding terms in a license that affects works that have nothing to do with your licensed workJul 23 09:38
JoehSorry, accident.Jul 23 09:38
MinceRi can't say in my sw license that "also, nobody has permission to use any m$ products"Jul 23 09:38
MinceRit won't be binding :>Jul 23 09:39
schestowitzJust take from PlurkJul 23 09:39
MinceRJoeh: if you think it's a stretch then use a GPL library in a non-GPL work and defend your opinion in court.Jul 23 09:39
schestowitzSure, it's illegal, but at least no "viral" :-)Jul 23 09:39
JoehWell MinceR. We can argue over the semantics all day. GPL is perceived by a lot of people as Viral. But as I say, it depends on the projectJul 23 09:39
Joeha full app might make perfect sense under GPL, as the likelihood is any reuse of the code is going to be majorJul 23 09:40
JoehLibraries make more sense as LGPL imhoJul 23 09:40
MinceRyes, it's perceived by a lot of people who try hard to make up things to insult it because they prefer to steal code legally, at no charge.Jul 23 09:40
JoehLGPL prevents "stealing" code I'd argue.Jul 23 09:41
MinceRsuch as people who fail so hard at OS development that they couldn't even code a TCP/IP stack.Jul 23 09:41
JoehYou are required to contribute any changes to that code back to the community right?Jul 23 09:41
JoehBut not the rest of your appJul 23 09:41
MinceRand people who couldn't even code a kernel, so they stole Mach, FreeBSD and parts of KDE and put a Fisher Price GUI on top.Jul 23 09:41
JoehI'm not going to defend or comment on things which happened when I was at school :pJul 23 09:42
MinceRLGPL on something that's only technically a library but part of a larger work would allow it to be stolen and hidden behind proprietary codeJul 23 09:42
MinceRit's a question of what the "library" is intended to beJul 23 09:42
JoehMinceR: Well, that would be a violation of the license right?Jul 23 09:42
MinceRnot necessarilyJul 23 09:43
MinceRbblJul 23 09:43
JoehI could do the same thing GPL code, use it and not fess up. Whether people honour the license is something altogether different to the license itself.Jul 23 09:43
JoehOk :)Jul 23 09:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The background to the Gray and Hilton libel case - http://bit.ly/a5wJJb important case for blogging in the UK #libel #bloggingJul 23 10:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Video: #Vista7 From a #GNU #Linux User’s Point of View http://ur1.ca/0tko0 #bsdvista #windows7sinsJul 23 10:35
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tessierHit the road, Jack.Jul 23 10:36
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oiaohmReally who would replace BallmerJul 23 10:37
oiaohmYou would have to be prity mad to want Ballmer jobJul 23 10:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links: Many New Releases of #GNU #Linux , More #Tablets http://ur1.ca/0tkp4 I hope the new links/site format is OKJul 23 10:39
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Welcome to the Troll Economy - http://bit.ly/aWyr5y why that's great news #trolls #intellectualmonopoliesJul 23 10:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links: ForgeRock's First Post, Firefox 4, LpOD 0.9.2... http://ur1.ca/0tkup #FreeSoftware #opensource #fsJul 23 11:03
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] An Uncommon Commons in Linz - http://bit.ly/acNDCG does everything except cure the common cold #commons #opendata #opencourseware #atJul 23 11:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] RT @openrightsgroup Last day to buy last tickets for #ORGCon with @doctorow @tom_watson, James Boyle - book now! http://bit.ly/orgcon #DEActJul 23 11:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] lying donkey shocks beachgoers in Russia's south http://tinyogg.com/watch/MQKIT/ 22 year jail sentence?Jul 23 11:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Barry Sookman Works For The Canadian Recording Industry Association http://bit.ly/b3kbauJul 23 11:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] [NL] www.nieuwemoskee.nl. De volgende Islamitische bodemloze put. Moet ik daar als autochtone Nederlandse Homo belasting voor betalen?Jul 23 11:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Misc. News and BSD Talk http://techrights.org/2010/07/23/news-and-bsd-talk/Jul 23 11:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft ‘Works’ in Techrights http://ur1.ca/0tl6d New visitor from Microsoft in one of the IRC channels of TechrightsJul 23 12:06
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oiaohmhttp://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Dell-replacement-motherboards-contained-malware-Update-1043840.html  OppsJul 23 12:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Russia Keeps Working on #GNU #Linux (and Fighting Against #Microsoft Corruption) http://ur1.ca/0tlde #ALTLinux and #ASPLinux still aliveJul 23 12:44
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/42892944#notice-43189061 "Can you really call Android GNU/Linux as it uses a BSD licenced libc? I'd call it, plain and simple, Linux."Jul 23 12:46
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schestowitzYeah, I usually just call it "Linux" or "Linux-based"Jul 23 12:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Move Commons: Moving Beyond Creative Commons - http://bit.ly/c4gCgw clever use of CC principles to express core principles #ngos #cc #gplJul 23 12:48
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] my bus driver looks like Ron Paul! lolJul 23 12:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Companies and Intellectual Properties Registration Office (CIPRO) Helps Microsoft’s Monopoly http://ur1.ca/0tlg5 #cipro #failJul 23 13:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Microsoft licenses ARM architecture - http://bit.ly/a0ZbpY amazed it took them this long #microsoft #arm #intelJul 23 13:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Just like the Internet ♺ @glynmoody: #Microsoft licenses #ARM architecture - http://bit.ly/a0ZbpY amazed it took them this long #intelJul 23 13:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Homeland Security go after WikiLeaks editor in vain at New York conference. http://bit.ly/a1UKxOJul 23 13:29
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schestowitz"The 3 part link headline is good, it avoids very short link collections and more than 3 makes it an effort to browse through." http://twitter.com/TenPhil/statuses/19332154642Jul 23 13:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Roundup: Identifying Real Patent Foes and Conflicts of Interests http://ur1.ca/0tlpq #swpatsJul 23 13:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @mrhinkle My cab driver just told me he was an Ubuntu user and loved free software, he even knew what FLOSS was very coolJul 23 13:55
schestowitzre Russia: "So the corrupt regime is fighting against the corrupt company? Take MS anyday---they haven't killed anyone yet :)" http://identi.ca/conversation/42897095#notice-43204362Jul 23 14:10
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schestowitzIt has actuallyJul 23 14:10
schestowitzFailing systemsJul 23 14:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] Skenazy's meme comes to outermost Sussex. #freerangekids http://twitpic.com/27v1fbJul 23 14:11
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Hides Security Flaws, Then Brags About Transparency http://ur1.ca/0tlwb #Security news from #MicrosoftJul 23 14:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Whole industries exist to sell stuff to cover the holes, besides it'd bankrupt them, so you can understand why http://tinyurl.com/29falqvJul 23 14:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Top earning Tory: ban protests to save money - http://bit.ly/dd7fAY or we could dump Trident... (via @PoliceStateUK) #libertyJul 23 14:36
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schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/how-long-will-oem-tails-wag-the-google-android-dog/6866Jul 23 14:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Who You Gonna Call? Q&A With Software Freedom Law Center's Eben Moglen - http://bit.ly/b6SazW useful background info #moglen #sflcJul 23 15:10
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oiaohmThe too open line arguement to GPL people I first saw from a freebsd person in 1992. schestowitzJul 23 15:10
oiaohmIe What do you gpl people think bsd is too open.Jul 23 15:11
oiaohmIts a really old line.Jul 23 15:11
schestowitzoiaohm: I found the Dell cockup news earlier todayJul 23 15:11
schestowitzIt's in my latest postJul 23 15:11
schestowitzNew ScientistJul 23 15:11
oiaohmSad part I have a few of those to clean up under support contracts.Jul 23 15:12
schestowitzWho You Gonna Call [to clean Microsoft mess]?  oiaohmJul 23 15:15
oiaohmI am hoping to start killing off MS over next year.Jul 23 15:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Peer 2 Peer University Call for Courses - http://bit.ly/dBwFoQ "gearing up to launch 3rd cycle of courses: have an idea?" (via @remixtures )Jul 23 15:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] I liked the way it was told - 'i don't wanna fail at any account' now going to bhopal for meeting my princessJul 23 16:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell continues to show that it doesn’t care about #OpenSUSE ; instead, it’s focused on marketing #FogComputing http://ur1.ca/0tmr9Jul 23 16:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] GENIVI goes with MeeGo - http://bit.ly/ces048 for its "In-Vehicle Infotainment reference platform" no less; yuk #meego #genivi #linuxJul 23 16:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Silicos NV releases proprietary computational chemistry software as open source - http://bit.ly/aVfzp4 nice, GPL #chemistry #beJul 23 16:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Rona Ambrose Wants To Take Action On Honor Killings http://bit.ly/cpJ0zxJul 23 17:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] My Hungarian phrase book has arrived. This is not going to be easy. Perhaps not even possible. #oooconJul 23 17:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft, ARM, and #Linux Tax on Devices http://ur1.ca/0tn86 #Microsoft is trying to break Linux' near-monopoly in #ARM | #swpatsJul 23 17:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Como Portugal :( ♺ @JMF1957: France introduced new law to protect its flag from insult after photo of man wiping bottom http://is.gd/dDvwlJul 23 17:22
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DaemonFCKWin is kind of twitchy if you don't check "Disable functionality checks" :PJul 23 17:33
Ziomatrixlol France should just man up, the US has as its flag provides the most warmth around the world ;-) Its also patriotic to burn a torn or damaged American flag, it must be folded first thoughJul 23 17:34
DaemonFCZiomatrix: The first "flag burning ban" bill that the Republicans tried to ram through Congress right after 9/11 was so overly broad that it would have banned the Constitutionally-prescribed way of disposing of a damaged flagJul 23 17:35
DaemonFCI found that amusingJul 23 17:35
DaemonFCthe VFW didn't :PJul 23 17:35
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: it shows how much certain politicians know about the country they swore to serveJul 23 17:36
DaemonFCeither way, the courts would have struck the law down on First Amendment groundsJul 23 17:36
DaemonFCafter the Justice Department would have spent millions of dollars trying to defend itJul 23 17:37
DaemonFCthe DOJ and the President are constitutionally obligated to defend every statute on the federal codeJul 23 17:37
DaemonFCno matter how pointless and unproductive it may beJul 23 17:37
DaemonFCthat's why Obama and the DOJ have to "defend" DOMAJul 23 17:38
DaemonFCfor exampleJul 23 17:38
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: and its that flexibility along with liberty that has preserved the US Federal Republic (bar the Civil War) while France had to go through 5Jul 23 17:38
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DaemonFCeven though they would like to strike it, they are obligated in their role in government to defend itJul 23 17:38
DaemonFCwell, if the President was allowed to only defend the laws he liked, then there would be much less stability of the systemJul 23 17:39
DaemonFCthat also means you could get a Bush-type character in there defending whatever he likesJul 23 17:39
DaemonFCand ignoring all elseJul 23 17:39
DaemonFCor so goes the theoryJul 23 17:39
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: DOMA can still be struck down if a majority of states pass legislation that overrides it after an Appellate discussion, the House of Reps amends or removes it and then the Supreme Court gives the final ok Jul 23 17:40
DaemonFCDOMA forbids the Feds from recognizing such a marriageJul 23 17:40
DaemonFCeven if it were legal in all 50 statesJul 23 17:40
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: that could still be contested, all laws could no matter how high up they are bar national security if I recallJul 23 17:41
DaemonFCit would have to be repealed, struck down by the federal courts, or there would have to be a constitution amendment passed that reversed itJul 23 17:41
DaemonFCthe third won't happenJul 23 17:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mainstream Press Misreports #Microsoft Revenue, Misses Accounting Tricks http://ur1.ca/0tner #accountancyJul 23 17:41
Ziomatrixunless whatever national security act passed is unconstitutionalJul 23 17:41
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DaemonFCthe first would be political suicide or blocked in CongressJul 23 17:41
DaemonFCand so the courts are the only way that's ever coming undoneJul 23 17:41
DaemonFCthe courts have historically been the grantors of civil liberties because elected politicians don't want to risk granting them statutorilyJul 23 17:42
DaemonFC:)Jul 23 17:42
DaemonFCjudges are appointed, not elected, and that's whyJul 23 17:42
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: that is true which is why some feel a proactive judge is dangerousJul 23 17:42
DaemonFCit gives them some room to make controversial decisions without fear of being voted out of their officeJul 23 17:42
DaemonFCin theory, it makes them more objective over the case they are presiding overJul 23 17:43
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: they could still be disbarred, unless they're in the Supreme Court Jul 23 17:43
DaemonFCthe Supreme Court doesn't even require you to have a legal degree of any kindJul 23 17:43
DaemonFCif President Obama nominated me, and the Senate approved, I could be a sitting judge on the Supreme Court :PJul 23 17:44
DaemonFCthe Constitution is fairly silent other than the president nominates, and the senate confirmsJul 23 17:44
DaemonFCthere's no age restrictionsJul 23 17:44
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: you just have to be approved by a majority of a Senate Judiciary Committee  Jul 23 17:44
DaemonFCand no legal background requiresJul 23 17:44
DaemonFC*requiredJul 23 17:44
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: its kind of implied though considering the credentials of being a judgeJul 23 17:45
DaemonFCrightJul 23 17:45
DaemonFCbut anyone could be a Supreme Court judge in theoryJul 23 17:45
DaemonFCas long as they were nominated and confirmedJul 23 17:45
DaemonFCit would obviously never happenJul 23 17:45
DaemonFCbut it's legalJul 23 17:45
DaemonFCI liked the Roman Empire system myselfJul 23 17:46
DaemonFCwhere the Emperor could appoint and dismiss Senators at his commandJul 23 17:46
DaemonFC:)Jul 23 17:46
DaemonFCone of them was pissed off at the Senate and appointed his horseJul 23 17:47
DaemonFCCaligula I believeJul 23 17:47
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IncitatusJul 23 17:48
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ZiomatrixDaemonFC: yup, he also leveled a section city (after it happened to burn one night) to create his own personal mansion for the "public good" to see.Jul 23 17:48
DaemonFC"Incitatus was the favored horse of Roman emperor Caligula....Incitatus was named not only a citizen of Rome, but a member of the Roman senate."Jul 23 17:48
DaemonFC"The horse would "invite" dignitaries to dine with him in a house outfitted with servants there to entertain such events."Jul 23 17:48
DaemonFCA horse is a horse, of course of course!Jul 23 17:49
DaemonFC:PJul 23 17:49
DaemonFCI suppose the "horse inviting you to dinner" was an insult?Jul 23 17:49
DaemonFCThe Emperor is busy, but his horse cordially invites you to dine with him...Jul 23 17:50
DaemonFC:)Jul 23 17:50
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: lol, at least the horse wouldn't have you hung or become a gladiator if you said anything objectionable to itJul 23 17:51
DaemonFCuhhhm, maybe there's other people in the room that report back anything you say to the EmperorJul 23 17:52
DaemonFCwho has the horse make you a Gladiator Jul 23 17:52
DaemonFC:)Jul 23 17:52
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: but doesn't the horse as the host and dignitary get the final say on whether the accusation their servants made are true?Jul 23 17:53
DaemonFCMaybe the horse told Caligula that it was offendedJul 23 17:53
DaemonFCafter all, it is a Senator and a Citizen of RomeJul 23 17:53
DaemonFCand invites people to dinnerJul 23 17:53
DaemonFCthis is obviously an accomplished horseJul 23 17:53
DaemonFCNotice: This is an offical update which is supported by Mandriva.Jul 23 17:55
DaemonFCThis package contains a new version that was backported.Jul 23 17:55
DaemonFCIt is not supported by Mandriva.Jul 23 17:55
DaemonFCheheJul 23 17:55
DaemonFCThe spoon can be bentJul 23 17:55
DaemonFCbut there is no spoonJul 23 17:55
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: what are you installing?Jul 23 17:56
DaemonFCa security update for iputilsJul 23 17:56
DaemonFCReason for update: Ovidiu Mara reported a vulnerability in ping.c (iputils) that could cause ping to hang when responding to a malicious echo reply (CVE-2010-2529). The updated packages have been patched to correct these issues.Jul 23 17:57
DaemonFCshouldn't your firewall intercept an echo request and block it?Jul 23 17:57
DaemonFCtypically?Jul 23 17:57
DaemonFCoh wellJul 23 17:58
*DaemonFC accepts the patchJul 23 17:58
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: does the program automatically create exceptions or is that a Windows only feature?Jul 23 17:58
DaemonFClmaoJul 23 17:58
DaemonFCyou mean like in Windows where the invading malware just shuts off the "firewall"?Jul 23 17:59
DaemonFCheheJul 23 17:59
DaemonFCshut off the firewall...checkJul 23 17:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #SCO is Like a Patent Troll http://techrights.org/2010/07/23/sco-the-toll-troll/Jul 23 17:59
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DaemonFCHijack Norton...checkJul 23 17:59
DaemonFCDisable Windows Updates...checkJul 23 17:59
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: well that could be, or it just creates a port open exception within the firewall settings disguised as a legit programJul 23 17:59
DaemonFCKill Windows Defender...pointless, but what the hell?Jul 23 17:59
DaemonFCcheckJul 23 17:59
DaemonFC:PJul 23 17:59
DaemonFCinstall rootkit...checkJul 23 18:00
DaemonFClet user continue to keep his broadband connection, but use it to spew spam and copies of self when he leaves the room...checkJul 23 18:01
DaemonFCSteve Ballmer: "Well, people should be taxed by governments and ISPs that have to deal with this"Jul 23 18:01
DaemonFC:PJul 23 18:01
DaemonFCIn a sane world, ISPs and governments would sue Microsoft to recoup the damages that their platform made possibleJul 23 18:02
DaemonFCI'd try to make my case that "Microsoft has been indifferent to the problems caused by their software because up until now, they've never had to clean up the messes it makes"Jul 23 18:04
DaemonFC:PJul 23 18:04
MinceRin a sane world, there would be no microsoftJul 23 18:04
MinceRtheir existence is an anomalyJul 23 18:04
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: you mean like how ISPs and the governmental laws should not be designed to exclusively protect private profit making entities from certain rights and the public? Jul 23 18:04
DaemonFCwell, the government left a freeway bridge in Minnesota in disrepair for yearsJul 23 18:06
DaemonFCit finally collapsed, killing people, injuring people, and causing millions of dollars in property damageJul 23 18:06
DaemonFCwho got sued? the governmentJul 23 18:06
ZiomatrixMinceR: MS owes its existence to a few seeing the potential profit in licensing exclusivity and patenting valuable features which the rest of the development community saw at the was healthy to freely share but never protected it.Jul 23 18:07
DaemonFCWhy should Microsoft get off the hook when in this cause they provide the "defective and unmaintained bridge" that collapses now and then causing millions of dollars in property damage?Jul 23 18:07
DaemonFC:)Jul 23 18:07
DaemonFC*caseJul 23 18:07
DaemonFCpretty much anyone can be sued for creating and maintaining a public safety hazard (or in some cases, a mere public nuisance)Jul 23 18:08
DaemonFCbut Microsoft directs so much bribe money at the people making laws, that they are effectively immuneJul 23 18:09
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: they are not getting off the hook, the taxpayers are paying to have it renovated.Jul 23 18:09
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: go to sleep America, your government is in control. Just give us what you earn so we can hand to those who are close enough to tell us they need it mostJul 23 18:09
DaemonFCwell, on top of having an entire antivirus industry that's totally ineffective but thriving on the carnage Windows creates, the damage that you see done by Windows defects is just what's left Jul 23 18:10
DaemonFC:PJul 23 18:10
DaemonFCZiomatrix: Most antivirus companies are not American companiesJul 23 18:11
DaemonFCyou notice that?Jul 23 18:11
DaemonFCsome of the more popular ones are actually European companiesJul 23 18:11
DaemonFCAvast - Czech republicJul 23 18:12
DaemonFCAVG - Czech republicJul 23 18:12
DaemonFCMicrosoft Security Essentials -no doubt farmed to China and IndiaJul 23 18:12
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: but the largest are still in the US, Symantec and McAfee. Its just that the American market has been so cornered by them that more affordable competition with headway being bundled into hardware can only pop up abroadJul 23 18:13
DaemonFCAvira is in GermanyJul 23 18:13
DaemonFCno matter what you choose for your "security" software, you're still choosing "protection" from a foreign company's proprietary softwareJul 23 18:13
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: sure they probably outsourced their development, but the HQ and money still flows into the USJul 23 18:13
DaemonFCwhich is just incredibly frighteningJul 23 18:13
DaemonFCand you're not supporting the US economy when you buy itJul 23 18:13
DaemonFC:PJul 23 18:13
DaemonFCeven if it's an American company in nameJul 23 18:13
DaemonFC:PJul 23 18:13
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: you are, through imports and big box retailers ;)Jul 23 18:14
DaemonFCso by extension, buying antivirus software is un-AmericanJul 23 18:14
DaemonFC:)Jul 23 18:14
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: in that fashion, buying Windows is un-America :-.Jul 23 18:14
DaemonFCI'm kind of freaked out that people install foriegn proprietary software, willingly, which rootkits their whole system to supposedly "protect against data theft and other crap"Jul 23 18:15
DaemonFCwhich makes AES-encrypted connections to the servers of these foreign companiesJul 23 18:15
DaemonFCand sends and receives god only knows whatJul 23 18:15
DaemonFChow do you trust antivirus more than the virus? :PJul 23 18:16
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: because they sell it to those who aren't overtly organized crime or racketeers?Jul 23 18:16
DaemonFCI mean aside from the fact that you just sent the foreign company the license feeJul 23 18:16
DaemonFCpossiblyJul 23 18:16
ThistleWebyeah all this proprietary stuff comeong from US corps, being foisted on the rest of usJul 23 18:17
DaemonFCthe antivirus software is almost as bad as the malware it's keeping out of your systemJul 23 18:17
ThistleWebI know exactyl what ya meanJul 23 18:17
DaemonFCand it's not doing that to protect youJul 23 18:17
DaemonFCit's to keep competitors outJul 23 18:17
DaemonFC:)Jul 23 18:17
ThistleWebwhere our govt infrastructure is reliant on a US corpJul 23 18:18
DaemonFCwhy do you think they pay their staff salaries to give their software out for free?Jul 23 18:18
DaemonFCthey're making money off the data they steal from youJul 23 18:18
DaemonFCobviouslyJul 23 18:18
ThistleWebthe same definition of "steal" that the RIAA use, obviouslyJul 23 18:19
DaemonFCMicrosoft's privacy policy is intentionally dishonest in a way almost as badJul 23 18:19
DaemonFC"No personal information sent will be used to identify or contact you"Jul 23 18:19
DaemonFCIt doesn't say no personal info is sentJul 23 18:19
DaemonFCor that the government can't make them fork it overJul 23 18:19
DaemonFCor that a rogue employee won't steal and sell itJul 23 18:20
DaemonFCit's a pretty vague policy that leaves a lot of room for abuseJul 23 18:20
DaemonFCbut sounds comfortingJul 23 18:20
DaemonFCConsider this: IE crashes, it sends the crash data to Microsoft, right?Jul 23 18:21
DaemonFCthere's millions of IE users out thereJul 23 18:21
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: Apple does the same thing for most of its software, so does Mozilla. But they are completely voluntary.Jul 23 18:21
DaemonFCif 0.1% of them were in a session with their online bank, and 0.1% of them were transmitting their login credentials when the crash dump was takenJul 23 18:21
DaemonFCyou still have the personal bank account info of thousands of peopleJul 23 18:22
DaemonFCand that info is worth a lot to criminal organizationsJul 23 18:22
DaemonFCcan Microsoft assure you that this data will never be stolen and misused?Jul 23 18:22
DaemonFCof course notJul 23 18:22
DaemonFCand even that is giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming it being stolen is the only way the data they take can be misusedJul 23 18:23
DaemonFCthey've been found in violation of their own privacy policies many timesJul 23 18:23
DaemonFCthere's never and cost to them of violating their policyJul 23 18:24
DaemonFConce they get noticed, they change the policy to reflect what they've always doneJul 23 18:24
DaemonFC*anyJul 23 18:24
DaemonFCno punishment = no incentive to keep your promisesJul 23 18:24
schestowitzSadly, what Peer To Patent seems to be doing is in some ways making software patents strongerJul 23 18:25
DaemonFCif the government assessed fines of $1,000 for every affected customer if Microsoft broke the agreement, Microsoft would put out an agreement that states what they doJul 23 18:25
DaemonFCand they'd do what they statedJul 23 18:25
DaemonFCbut there's no penalties for lying to the customerJul 23 18:26
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: there is once its in court and under oath thoughJul 23 18:26
DaemonFCoath or affirmationJul 23 18:26
DaemonFCwhich either one does serve a practical purposeJul 23 18:26
DaemonFCwith all due respect to CarlinJul 23 18:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @carlopiana #peerpatent, however deserving high praise, is a colossal waste of time when examines #swpats, which shouldn't existJul 23 18:27
DaemonFCit's to enable charges of perjury if you're found to have liedJul 23 18:27
DaemonFCif there was no verbal agreement to tell the truth, there would be no crime of perjuryJul 23 18:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @fabsh Wow.... Even Steve Gibson has figured out that software patents are bad! #swpat > passion of the patent trollJul 23 18:28
DaemonFCso what if I go in there, and lie my ass off about the defendent, and he goes to prisonJul 23 18:29
DaemonFCthen 5 years from now, it's uncovered that I was lying about everythingJul 23 18:29
ZiomatrixDaemonFC: thats why the jury and courts in general need to be made away of date "Last Modified"Jul 23 18:29
DaemonFCif there was no perjury crime, then nothing could be done to punish me for affecting the outcome of the trialJul 23 18:29
Ziomatrixanyway I think I'm gonna sleep on it, thanks for the chat ciaoJul 23 18:31
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DaemonFCthe codified legal system is theoretically there to protect you from the whims of a few ruling eliteJul 23 18:31
DaemonFCbut in practice, it always breaks down and ends up serving the ruling eliteJul 23 18:31
DaemonFC:PJul 23 18:31
DaemonFChmmmJul 23 18:54
DaemonFCMandriva sells "extended maintainence"Jul 23 18:55
DaemonFCwhich provides access to a repository that provides post-EOL updates for another 18 monthsJul 23 18:55
DaemonFCcouldn't someone buy access and just copy all the packages to their own repository?Jul 23 18:55
DaemonFCand make it available to everyone?Jul 23 18:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I am looking for some advice about Google. What do you think? Is Google not evil? http://ur1.ca/0tnxsJul 23 19:03
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schestowitz[18:07] <DaemonFC> Why should Microsoft get off the hook when in this cause they provide the "defective and unmaintained bridge" that collapses now and then causing millions of dollars in property damage?Jul 23 19:29
schestowitzOr a while oil rig to sinkJul 23 19:29
schestowitz*wholeJul 23 19:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] CNN: "India unveils $35 computer for students" Linux, of course. Price could drop to $10. http://bit.ly/9sELFIJul 23 19:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #Windows #BSOD Caused Deepwater Horizon Disaster http://ur1.ca/0to3o #bp #bpcares #windowskillsJul 23 19:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Say that again? Windows kills? ♺ @glynmoody: BSOD Issues On Deepwater Horizon - http://bit.ly/a0p8fs uh-huh... #bsod #oilspill #disasterJul 23 19:42
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schestowitzAhJul 23 19:46
schestowitzSlashdot got there firstJul 23 19:46
schestowitzOh well...Jul 23 19:46
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DaemonFCoiaohmSimple fact when you are too open its too tempting to fork.Jul 23 19:51
DaemonFCJoehYou mean like the linux guys made Google do with Android? lolJul 23 19:51
DaemonFChow is tossing out old dead broken code with no maintainer (who is off working on their fork by choice), forcing Google to do anything of the sort?Jul 23 19:51
DaemonFC-staging is not there to be used as a perpetual dump for bad codeJul 23 19:52
schestowitzhttp://www.fastcompany.com/1673553/cheap-computing-india-tablet-ipad-killer-olpcJul 23 19:53
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DaemonFC"Well, this is totally never going to get approved, so we'll just stick it over here and claim we support Linux if you want to build our module which makes the kernel fall over and die now and then"Jul 23 19:53
DaemonFC"Lalala, another day another dollar!"Jul 23 19:53
DaemonFC:PJul 23 19:53
DaemonFCthings are in -staging now with the assumption that they'll improve and be upgraded to "official support"Jul 23 19:55
DaemonFCusers who know the risks can compile and use them until then, if they wishJul 23 19:55
schestowitzsebsebseb mentioned here: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/07/best-advert-for-ubuntu-you-probably.html I think it's himJul 23 19:55
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DaemonFCwhen Google dumped old broken Android code there and left it, they invited its removalJul 23 19:55
DaemonFChttp://mjg59.livejournal.com/118588.htmlJul 23 19:57
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DaemonFCChrome OS and Ubuntu Netbook Remix use security flaw in X to enable touchpad featuresJul 23 19:57
DaemonFC:)Jul 23 19:57
DaemonFCthat's just too funnyJul 23 19:59
DaemonFCGoogle acts liek Chrome OS will be Fort KnoxJul 23 19:59
DaemonFCthen they flip on shared memory for XorgJul 23 19:59
DaemonFC:PJul 23 19:59
DaemonFCright....Jul 23 19:59
DaemonFCthere's a problem with open source, schestowitzJul 23 20:00
schestowitzNopeJul 23 20:00
DaemonFCeven if Xorg wakes up and rips that "feature" outJul 23 20:00
schestowitzWith Google maybeJul 23 20:00
DaemonFCthose damned OEMs can patch it back inJul 23 20:00
schestowitzDaemonFC: what's the prob?Jul 23 20:01
schestowitzFirst use LinuxJul 23 20:01
schestowitzThen you can rant about it :-p[Jul 23 20:01
DaemonFCsomeone taking over my mouse would be a problemJul 23 20:01
DaemonFCwhat do you mean use Linux? I doJul 23 20:01
schestowitzNot dabbleJul 23 20:01
schestowitzUseJul 23 20:01
schestowitzYou're like oiaohm, but he's actually USING LinuxJul 23 20:02
DaemonFCit's not a security flaw by default, because it is offJul 23 20:02
schestowitzYou spend a lot of time here ranting about Linux, which you don't useJul 23 20:02
DaemonFCincompetant Linux distros flip it onJul 23 20:02
DaemonFCto provide "features"Jul 23 20:02
schestowitzI rant about Windows because I used it as a teenagerJul 23 20:02
DaemonFCat least he managed to publicly shame Ubuntu into turning it offJul 23 20:03
DaemonFCGoogle isn't listeningJul 23 20:03
schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQyOAJul 23 20:03
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DaemonFCbut it kind of makes you wonder what other obvious stupid shit Ubuntu is doing for little benefitJul 23 20:03
*schestowitz pushes Lightspark 0.4.2 into DaemonFC's mouthJul 23 20:03
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DaemonFCwhat's stupid is that it hasn't even been necessary for yearsJul 23 20:04
DaemonFCand it's still an advertised option in XorgJul 23 20:04
DaemonFCthey need to clean houseJul 23 20:04
DaemonFCthen at least they can blame stupid distros that go out of their way to patch it back inJul 23 20:05
DaemonFCfor creating their own security misconfigurationJul 23 20:05
DaemonFCX has always been a security disaster and that's only now starting to change, and that's only IF you actually use the bundled video drivers in the kernel which don't support much more than the most basic features of modern video cardsJul 23 20:07
schestowitzhttp://polaris.gseis.ucla.edu/pagre/how-to-help.htmlJul 23 20:07
DaemonFCWhen you no longer have to chosoe between security disaster and hardware working, that will be the year of the Linux desktopJul 23 20:08
DaemonFCsevers aren't really affected because they usually don't even have X anywayJul 23 20:08
DaemonFC*serversJul 23 20:08
DaemonFCX with the binary drivers is kind of like XPorgJul 23 20:09
DaemonFC:PJul 23 20:09
DaemonFChey, let's give something that interacts with user programs direct access to hardware!Jul 23 20:09
DaemonFCin such a way that the kernel can't veto malicious operations even if it wants to!Jul 23 20:10
DaemonFCwhen you use functional video drivers on Linux, you're basically throwing all claims to a secure system in the toiletJul 23 20:11
DaemonFCthe video stack in that configuration is basically a Linux clone of Windows XP's video driver modelJul 23 20:11
DaemonFCGarrett ca;;s the shared memory thing a wartJul 23 20:12
DaemonFCX is a wartJul 23 20:12
schestowitzhttp://www.fsdaily.com/Business/RIAA_Accounting_How_Labels_Avoid_Paying_Musicians "The RIAA always claim they are only "protecting" musicians when they sue some single mother for downloading a song or two."Jul 23 20:12
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schestowitz[20:12] <DaemonFC> X is a wartJul 23 20:13
schestowitzOh, I knowJul 23 20:13
schestowitzX is DaemonFCJul 23 20:13
DaemonFCWindows 7 says "Oh, your video driver crashed and caused Aero to flicker for a half a second while I restarted it for you"Jul 23 20:13
DaemonFCLinux/X/binary driver: "Oh look, your video card driver had a small bug which we magnified into a nuclear explosion that took out everything including the kernel!"Jul 23 20:14
DaemonFCwhen things are mishandled at one level, it's frustratingJul 23 20:15
DaemonFCwhen things are mishandled at EVERY level, the system failsJul 23 20:15
DaemonFCit's like your driver glitches, X doesn't know what to do and starts flipping out, and the kernel takes some splash damage when the hardware is going crazy and goes ahead and panicJul 23 20:16
DaemonFC*panicsJul 23 20:16
DaemonFCnow THAT is teamwork!Jul 23 20:16
DaemonFCthen, if that's not good enough for you, the hard disk controller maybe starts writing out junk to the disk and you better hope you're not using XFS or Ext4Jul 23 20:17
DaemonFCone hiccup in the graphics driver can cause your entire Linux system to self-destructJul 23 20:18
DaemonFCwith all your dataJul 23 20:18
DaemonFCthe odds of that happening are off, even with the worst video drivers, but it's conceivable that they could do thatJul 23 20:18
DaemonFCso therefore, the Linux systems that human beings use (with functional binary drivers and all) are a powderkegJul 23 20:19
DaemonFCit doesn't seem to bother some people (because they're used to Windows failing for no reason anyway) or others (because they actually use the old hardware with the free drivers)Jul 23 20:22
DaemonFCbut people with decent hardware who want to use it have no reason to really trust the systemJul 23 20:22
DaemonFCkeeping ATI and Nvidia at arms length keeps X.org and Linux more credibleJul 23 20:23
DaemonFCeven as 90% of their users have to resort to those driversJul 23 20:23
DaemonFCit's only been within the last year that the free drivers nouveau and radeon had much to offer over vesaJul 23 20:25
DaemonFC:PJul 23 20:25
DaemonFCbut binary drivers have always been like that crazy uncle that nobody wants to fess up toJul 23 20:26
DaemonFCif you can't do better than your opponent, start some character assassination Jul 23 20:28
DaemonFCsabotage him so he can't succeedJul 23 20:28
DaemonFCright schestowitz?Jul 23 20:29
DaemonFCthat's what's always pissed me off about Linux video support, it could be better if Linux and X could step aside and stop hindering binary drivers if they can't do betterJul 23 20:29
schestowitzDaemonFC: hold on... I'm doing LinksJul 23 20:30
DaemonFCpoisoning the well shouldn't be the policy of any projectJul 23 20:30
DaemonFCFOSS or proprietaryJul 23 20:30
DaemonFCbut it frequently is with bothJul 23 20:30
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DaemonFCschestowitz: Banshee has always been in OpenSuse hasn't it?Jul 23 20:32
DaemonFCsince a long time ago I meanJul 23 20:33
DaemonFCit's not some 11.3 overnight developmentJul 23 20:33
DaemonFCOpenSuse actually abandoned Monsoon and Beagle if you've noticedJul 23 20:33
DaemonFCthere's been less Mono stuff in the default setup for the past two releases nowJul 23 20:34
DaemonFCthey scrapped Beagle for Tracker in 11.3Jul 23 20:34
DaemonFCand they scrapped Monsoon/Monotorrent for Transmission in 11.2Jul 23 20:34
DaemonFCI think that leaves them with F-Spot, and Tomboy (which most GNOME distros have) and Banshee (which a few others carry or will be adding soon)Jul 23 20:36
DaemonFCUbuntu's "community" has upped the pestering for Banshee inclusion ever since the Hypephone support was announcedJul 23 20:37
schestowitz[20:13] <DaemonFC> Windows 7 says "Oh, your video driver crashed and caused Aero to flicker for a half a second while I restarted it for you"Jul 23 20:37
schestowitzCan't be exact quoteJul 23 20:37
DaemonFCNot that I think that many Ubuntu users are turned on by Hypephone, otherwise they'd all have HypeMacs tooJul 23 20:37
DaemonFCI think it's a Reichstag Fire-style distractionJul 23 20:38
DaemonFCnot really a broad request by the "community"Jul 23 20:38
schestowitz[20:18] <DaemonFC> one hiccup in the graphics driver can cause your entire Linux system to self-destructJul 23 20:38
schestowitzhardlyJul 23 20:38
schestowitzIt goes back to gdm/kdm/otherJul 23 20:38
schestowitzProcesses not tied to GUI can still runJul 23 20:38
DaemonFCnobody who would pay $500 for an iphone is using UbuntuJul 23 20:39
DaemonFCI guarantee thatJul 23 20:39
DaemonFCand if they are, they are even more insaneJul 23 20:39
schestowitz[20:39] <DaemonFC> nobody who would pay $500 for an iphone is using UbuntuJul 23 20:39
schestowitzMultibootJul 23 20:39
DaemonFCWhy would a Mac fanboy go for cheap imitation Mac (Ubuntu) when they have a real iphone?Jul 23 20:39
DaemonFCI don't think any real people would install Ubuntu on a MacJul 23 20:40
schestowitz[20:36] <DaemonFC> I think that leaves them with F-Spot, and Tomboy (which most GNOME distros have) and Banshee (which a few others carry or will be adding soon)Jul 23 20:40
schestowitzDon't forget the move to kde (ish)Jul 23 20:40
DaemonFCif you pay double for a PC just to get OS X, what's the point of slapping Ubuntu on it?Jul 23 20:40
DaemonFCisn't that self-defeating?Jul 23 20:40
schestowitz[20:39] <DaemonFC> Why would a Mac fanboy go for cheap imitation Mac (Ubuntu) when they have a real iphone?Jul 23 20:41
schestowitzIt's not an imitationJul 23 20:41
schestowitzAnd there are other distrosJul 23 20:41
DaemonFCUbuntu is a Mac imitationJul 23 20:41
DaemonFCit's really no longer a Linux distributionJul 23 20:41
DaemonFCjust a platform for crapware with a bad GUIJul 23 20:42
schestowitz[20:40] <DaemonFC> if you pay double for a PC just to get OS X, what's the point of slapping Ubuntu on it?Jul 23 20:42
schestowitzDevelopers with MacsJul 23 20:42
schestowitzFor development Linux is better a lot of the timeJul 23 20:42
DaemonFCyou're talking about Nono-Touch developers?Jul 23 20:42
DaemonFCheheJul 23 20:42
DaemonFCthat's going nowhereJul 23 20:42
schestowitz[20:42] <DaemonFC> just a platform for crapware with a bad GUIJul 23 20:42
DaemonFCthe last thing Apple wants is C# running on their iphonesJul 23 20:42
schestowitzMac has high perceived valueJul 23 20:43
schestowitzSo Ubuntu tries to appear like cheap price for high valueJul 23 20:43
DaemonFCright, PradaJul 23 20:43
schestowitzNot WidnowsJul 23 20:43
DaemonFCUbuntu is cheap imitation PradaJul 23 20:43
schestowitz[20:42] <DaemonFC> the last thing Apple wants is C# running on their iphonesJul 23 20:43
schestowitzTell MiguelJul 23 20:43
schestowitzHe might talk to his bosses (Microsoft)Jul 23 20:43
DaemonFCwell, he's wasting his timeJul 23 20:43
schestowitzNoJul 23 20:44
schestowitzHe plans for a future careerJul 23 20:44
DaemonFCApple can veto him and not let Nono-Touch on their phonesJul 23 20:44
DaemonFC:PJul 23 20:44
DaemonFCand they haveJul 23 20:44
schestowitz[20:43] <DaemonFC> well, he's wasting his timeJul 23 20:44
schestowitzGoodJul 23 20:44
schestowitzKeep him doing blank workJul 23 20:44
DaemonFCwell, that's exactly what he's doingJul 23 20:45
DaemonFCwhy work on it once Apple has given you the finger?Jul 23 20:45
DaemonFCthey control what lands on any iphone out thereJul 23 20:45
DaemonFCis Nono-Touch significantly generic that he can port what he has to other phones?Jul 23 20:46
DaemonFCI don't think Google wants it eitherJul 23 20:46
DaemonFCand Windows Phones already have a Mobile .Net thing anywayJul 23 20:46
DaemonFCso what is the future of his project?Jul 23 20:46
schestowitz/me watches http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8683046848311681223#Jul 23 20:47
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DaemonFCeven if he got it on Windows Phone, nobody uses that and it would be redundant anywayJul 23 20:47
DaemonFCand the funny thing is that Microsoft wouldn't take itJul 23 20:48
DaemonFCwhy would they?Jul 23 20:48
DaemonFCto legitimize Mono?Jul 23 20:48
DaemonFCthey already have the real .NETJul 23 20:48
DaemonFCso Mono Touch is a gigantic time sinkJul 23 20:48
DaemonFCit can never be anything elseJul 23 20:48
DaemonFCschestowitz: Near as I can tell, the only iphone your Mono Touch app will ever run on is the bundled iphone simulator in Mono DevelopJul 23 20:51
DaemonFCB-)Jul 23 20:51
DaemonFCThe Mono project has also created a VB.NET compiler as well as a runtime designed for running VB.NET applications. It is currently being developed by Rolf Bjarne Kvinge.Jul 23 20:53
DaemonFCheheheJul 23 20:53
DaemonFCthe language that makes you want to puke, developed by someone whose name sounds like a phonetic representation of pukingJul 23 20:53
DaemonFC:)Jul 23 20:53
DaemonFChow convenientJul 23 20:53
DaemonFCwhy does the Wikipedia page for Moonlight say "Linux" under Operating System?Jul 23 20:56
DaemonFCit should conceivably work on any unix systemJul 23 20:56
*DaemonFC gives schestowitz the gift of DeskletsJul 23 21:00
DaemonFC:PJul 23 21:00
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbMyPG4IKo8Jul 23 21:00
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cubezzz3just got a flyer for Microsoft Office ProfessionalJul 23 21:15
cubezzz3only $659.99 !Jul 23 21:15
cubezzz3I think I'll just keep using perl scripts :)Jul 23 21:16
schestowitzhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8683046848311681223#docid=-5746642675625898216Jul 23 21:20
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links: Free Software Grows in Europe http://techrights.org/2010/07/23/free-software-grows/ #freesoftwareJul 23 21:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links: #GNU #Linux Breakthrough in India, Linux 2.6.35 News http://techrights.org/2010/07/23/commoditizing-computers/ #indiaJul 23 21:22
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DaemonFCschestowitz: Why would they go to great pain to promote OpenSuse?Jul 23 21:24
DaemonFC"Hey, this might work for you and you don't have to pay us for it!"Jul 23 21:25
DaemonFC:PJul 23 21:25
schestowitzThey used toJul 23 21:25
DaemonFCthey whip out OpenSuse whenever they start taking flak for Red Hat being more open than they areJul 23 21:25
DaemonFCthen they put it away again :)Jul 23 21:26
DaemonFCwith OpenSuse, their entire core system maintainence is on autopilot by unpaid volunteersJul 23 21:26
DaemonFCand occasionally Novell drops in to stick some of their crap into itJul 23 21:27
DaemonFC:PJul 23 21:27
DaemonFCschestowitz: I figure it's not getting forked because then the developers wouldn't have Novell around to back some of the billsJul 23 21:28
DaemonFClike hosting and bandwidth and all that other lovely stuffJul 23 21:28
schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/02I4C/Jul 23 21:29
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DaemonFCthe developers complain about being on a leash, but they keep themselves on the leash because Novell can do all the bill paying Jul 23 21:29
DaemonFCobviously it's not bothering them badly enough to figure out another way of paying the billsJul 23 21:30
DaemonFCit's like a marriage of convenienceJul 23 21:30
DaemonFC"Well, I would leave, but then I'd lose this huge house and my big expensive car, and...."Jul 23 21:31
DaemonFCschestowitz: What I don't get....Jul 23 21:34
DaemonFCIf Mandriva is so KDE-centric, why did they build Mandriva Control Center in GTK+?Jul 23 21:34
DaemonFCwhy do they have so many GNOME dependencies?Jul 23 21:34
DaemonFCI went ahead and slapped QTCurve on all my GTK+ appsJul 23 21:35
DaemonFCso they look kinda sorta KDE-ishJul 23 21:35
DaemonFCeven if they don't quite matchJul 23 21:35
schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/QtldT/Jul 23 21:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links: Bank Fraud in Retrospect, #Wikileaks Hunt http://techrights.org/2010/07/23/wikileaks-hunt/Jul 23 21:43
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schestowitz[21:28] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: I figure it's not getting forked because then the developers wouldn't have Novell around to back some of the billsJul 23 21:44
schestowitzThey already have this issueJul 23 21:44
schestowitzThey sought sponsorsJul 23 21:44
schestowitzThe project had site downtimes and Novell didn't helpJul 23 21:44
DaemonFChmmJul 23 21:46
DaemonFCthe Microsoft patent covenant expires in 2010Jul 23 21:46
schestowitzload average: 13.65, 8.73, 5.39Jul 23 21:46
DaemonFCerrrJul 23 21:46
DaemonFC2012Jul 23 21:46
schestowitzWe should ask Novell for server space tooJul 23 21:46
schestowitzBoycott Novell gets too much trafficJul 23 21:46
DaemonFCso basically they only want to use it to gain acceptance for SilverlightJul 23 21:46
DaemonFCthen they'll revoke the licenseJul 23 21:46
DaemonFCin the meantime, they get to brag about "promising to not sue anyone"Jul 23 21:48
DaemonFCwhen did OpenSuse have downtime?Jul 23 21:49
cubezzz3funny Jul 23 21:53
DaemonFChttp://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jul/23/deepwater-horizon-oil-rig-alarmsJul 23 21:53
TechrightsBotTitle:  Deepwater Horizon alarms were switched off 'to help workers sleep' | Environment | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 76.48 KBJul 23 21:53
*DaemonFC facepalmsJul 23 21:54
DaemonFCsleep right through the explosionsJul 23 21:54
DaemonFCyepJul 23 21:54
DaemonFCsureJul 23 21:54
DaemonFCsomeone shut off that damned alarm!!!Jul 23 21:54
DaemonFC:DJul 23 21:54
DaemonFC"Vital warning systems on the Deepwater Horizon oil rig were switched off at the time of the explosion in order to spare workers being woken by false alarms, a federal investigation has heard."Jul 23 21:55
DaemonFCthey were shut off so that the alarms wouldn't be triggered by the unsafe working conditionsJul 23 21:55
cubezzz3when I look at the Xerox Alto screenshots it doesn't quite look like a guiJul 23 21:55
cubezzz3there's no apparent bitmap graphicsJul 23 21:55
DaemonFCthis is like trying to say the workers at the Triangle Shirtwaist factory were locked in because it was a high crime areaJul 23 21:56
cubezzz3so really if you want to say "first gui" you have to look at the Xerox Star, not the AltoJul 23 21:58
cubezzz31981Jul 23 21:58
DaemonFCwrongJul 23 21:58
cubezzz3oh?Jul 23 21:59
DaemonFCVisicorp Visi OnJul 23 21:59
DaemonFCactually, you may be rightJul 23 22:00
DaemonFCVisi On was the first full GUI for the IBM PCJul 23 22:00
DaemonFCMicrosoft saw it and send out mockups of Windows to PC magazinesJul 23 22:00
DaemonFCWindows hadn't even been written yetJul 23 22:00
DaemonFC*sentJul 23 22:01
cubezzz3depends what you what to compareJul 23 22:01
MinceRhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visi_On#Visi_On_is_createdJul 23 22:01
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cubezzz3Doug Engelbart's Augmentation of Human Intellect project at SRI in the 1960s had hypertextJul 23 22:01
cubezzz3and graphicsJul 23 22:01
cubezzz3I'm just saying "first gui"Jul 23 22:02
cubezzz3this looks like it to me:Jul 23 22:02
cubezzz3http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Xerox_8010_compound_document.jpgJul 23 22:03
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DaemonFChttp://toastytech.com/guis/mdrv.htmlJul 23 22:03
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DaemonFChehJul 23 22:03
cubezzz3all the elements are thereJul 23 22:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Quote of the Day: Peer To Patent is a “Colossal Waste of Time When [It] Examines Software Patents” http://ur1.ca/0tp73 #swpatsJul 23 22:03
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DaemonFChttp://toastytech.com/guis/mdrvinstall.pngJul 23 22:03
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DaemonFClmaoJul 23 22:03
cubezzz3http://www.digibarn.com/collections/software/alto/alto-cedar-environment.jpgJul 23 22:04
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cubezzz3looks kind of like XJul 23 22:04
cubezzz3there's the clock, the mailbox, and other picturesJul 23 22:04
cubezzz3no reversi though :)Jul 23 22:05
cubezzz3it looks better than windows 1.0Jul 23 22:05
cubezzz3you got to admitJul 23 22:06
cubezzz3Plato predates even the Alto:Jul 23 22:07
cubezzz3http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PLATO_SystemJul 23 22:07
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DaemonFC"This computer has a standard internal floppy drive, but Mandriva does not seem to want to recognize it. I just get crazy errors such as: "An error occurred while accessing 'PC Floppy Drive', the system responded: org.fredesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.Uknown mount: you must specify the filesystem type". Presumably they omitted simplified errors to make room for the tuna. "Jul 23 22:08
cubezzz3you want 3.5" era? :)Jul 23 22:08
cubezzz3funny, I remember when it was brand newJul 23 22:09
cubezzz3"this will replace those silly 5.25" disks"Jul 23 22:09
DaemonFCI like the built in terminal featureJul 23 22:09
DaemonFCin Dolphin and KonquerorJul 23 22:09
schestowitzMeh. /. is FPing this whole "Linus is God" thing http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/07/23/123209/The-Scalability-of-LinusJul 23 22:09
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DaemonFCNautilus won't even have a GUI interface once Ubuntu grabs Nautilus-PreschoolJul 23 22:10
DaemonFC(Nautilus-Elementary)Jul 23 22:10
schestowitzhttp://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9809.3/0850.htmlJul 23 22:11
TechrightsBotTitle: Linux-Kernel Archive: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c .::. Size~: 2.92 KBJul 23 22:11
schestowitz""Jul 23 22:11
schestowitzGo away, people. Or at least don't Cc me any more. I'm not interested, I'mJul 23 22:11
schestowitztaking a vacation, and I don't want to hear about it any more. In short,Jul 23 22:11
schestowitzget the hell out of my mailbox.Jul 23 22:11
schestowitzhttp://blogoscoped.com/archive/2010-06-24-n15.htmlJul 23 22:15
TechrightsBotTitle: How to Access the Internet (A Guide from 2025) .::. Size~: 14.01 KBJul 23 22:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] US Senate passes 'Libel tourism bill' http://bit.ly/cqN0gL http://immi.is/Jul 23 22:17
TechrightsBotTitle: U.S. Senate passes 'libel tourism' bill - Blog - Committee to Protect Journalists .::. Size~: 31.73 KBJul 23 22:17
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DaemonFC"Oddly, I could not get Mandriva to recognize any regular CD-ROMs, but it did eventually recognize a Windows 7 DVD. Is it trying to tell me something? "Jul 23 22:17
DaemonFClolJul 23 22:17
schestowitzhttp://blogs.computerworld.com/16550/rip_opensolarisJul 23 22:18
TechrightsBotTitle: R.I.P. OpenSolaris - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 68.49 KBJul 23 22:18
schestowitzNot sure this is trueJul 23 22:18
schestowitzMisleading information... http://www.fsdaily.com/Legal/A_CIO_s_Quick_Guide_To_Open_Source_LicensesJul 23 22:20
TechrightsBotTitle: A CIO’s Quick Guide To Open Source Licenses | fsdaily.com - Free Software News .::. Size~: 31.39 KBJul 23 22:20
schestowitzFrom vJul 23 22:20
schestowitzhttp://itexpertvoice.com Jul 23 22:20
TechrightsBotTitle:  IT Expert Voice .::. Size~: 62.84 KBJul 23 22:20
schestowitzexpert..... fusmeisterJul 23 22:20
schestowitz"IT Expert Voice is a partnership between Dell and Federated Media. "Jul 23 22:21
schestowitzFederated Media works for MicrosoftJul 23 22:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] TED: The conference of cool | FT http://bit.ly/bfP2OCJul 23 22:21
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schestowitzhttp://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-mandriva-2010.1-spring-free-x86_64-ispconfig-2Jul 23 22:23
TechrightsBotTitle: The Perfect Server - Mandriva 2010.1 (Spring) Free (x86_64) [ISPConfig 2] | HowtoForge - Linux Howtos and Tutorials .::. Size~: 45.36 KBJul 23 22:23
DaemonFCschestowitz: I made a mistakeJul 23 22:23
schestowitzDaemonFC: you're doing it wrongJul 23 22:23
DaemonFCI set the ball to auto bounceJul 23 22:23
DaemonFCand now I can't get rid of itJul 23 22:23
schestowitzDo it from the frontJul 23 22:23
schestowitz[22:17] <DaemonFC> "Oddly, I could not get Mandriva to recognize any regular CD-ROMs, but it did eventually recognize a Windows 7 DVD. Is it trying to tell me something? "Jul 23 22:24
schestowitzYou break it on purpose maybeJul 23 22:24
schestowitzhttp://partedmagic.com/index.php?view=article&catid=3%5C%3Anewsflash&id=156%5C%3Aparted-magic-50&tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page=Jul 23 22:27
DaemonFChttp://img822.imageshack.us/img822/4130/snapshot3w.pngJul 23 22:30
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DaemonFCwell, at least this works rightJul 23 22:30
DaemonFCit accepts Fahrenheit degrees and zip codesJul 23 22:30
DaemonFCthat's more than I was expectingJul 23 22:30
schestowitzDaemonFC: you should start an Indiana Free Software GrouopJul 23 22:30
DaemonFCthere are someJul 23 22:31
DaemonFCapparentlyJul 23 22:31
DaemonFCthere's even an Ubuntu User Group! around somewhereJul 23 22:32
schestowitzhttp://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5224/125/Jul 23 22:32
DaemonFC(pronounced UGGGH?)Jul 23 22:32
schestowitzBama Bama would not be happyJul 23 22:32
schestowitzhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/vadodara/In-Karjan-students-already-work-on-Linux/articleshow/6164144.cmsJul 23 22:33
TechrightsBotTitle: In Karjan, students already work on Linux - Vadodara - City - The Times of India .::. Size~: 61.24 KBJul 23 22:33
DaemonFCEU bureacracy saves the day!Jul 23 22:35
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schestowitzDiablo-D3: EU >> USJul 23 22:42
schestowitz* DaemonFCJul 23 22:42
schestowitzChina >> US soonJul 23 22:42
schestowitzUS becomes crazy tea-begging [sic] neo-Nazi boors in some regions and China excels in engineeringJul 23 22:43
schestowitzTell your dad to get a head start, DaemonFC, give him a book on Mandarin for his birthday... and Cantonese tooJul 23 22:44
DaemonFCglobalization Jul 23 22:45
DaemonFCrace to the bottomJul 23 22:45
DaemonFChurts everyone except CEOsJul 23 22:46
DaemonFC"shareholders"Jul 23 22:46
DaemonFCupper management typesJul 23 22:46
schestowitzHurry up thoughJul 23 22:46
schestowitzOrder by the end of the day and 6 "I lovce Glenn Beck" stickers  will be sent absolutely freeJul 23 22:47
schestowitz[22:45] <DaemonFC> race to the bottomJul 23 22:48
schestowitzDaemonFC: one solution is to reduce conceptionJul 23 22:48
schestowitzYou've not got this problem cause you're gayJul 23 22:48
DaemonFCI hate kids anywayJul 23 22:48
schestowitzIn fact, you can help unburden bad parents from their kids who are not wantedJul 23 22:48
schestowitzThen they'll find another baby machine and start overJul 23 22:48
DaemonFCfor every well behaved respectful child with some manners, there's 100 unsupervised spoiled fucking brats that act like they were raised by wolvesJul 23 22:49
DaemonFCbecause liberals put them on the honor system when spanking your kid became child abuseJul 23 22:49
schestowitzI'll mail you a shirtJul 23 22:49
schestowitz"Make cats, not war, kids"Jul 23 22:49
DaemonFCTHIS IS NOT A GOD DAMNED DEMOCRACY! and off comes the beltJul 23 22:50
DaemonFCthat's how ou do itJul 23 22:50
DaemonFC:)Jul 23 22:50
DaemonFCor as Al Bundy put itJul 23 22:51
DaemonFCfive across the eyesJul 23 22:51
schestowitzhttp://lwn.net/Articles/394702/Jul 23 22:51
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MinceRmewJul 23 22:52
ThistleWebthink the serial killer was an extended family member of the the Married With Children family?Jul 23 22:52
ThistleWebted bundy was it?Jul 23 22:53
schestowitzIS this sarcasm really? http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/open-source-legal-maze-open-trapJul 23 22:54
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schestowitzThistleWeb: yeah, I think of Ed O'neil when I hard of Ted BundyJul 23 22:55
schestowitzTed Bundy was not stupid though, based on the bio of his on YouTube (E&A IIRC)Jul 23 22:55
ThistleWebit would have been a crazy thing to do, and have an old uncle etc called TedJul 23 22:56
DaemonFCschestowitz: Bundy BurgersJul 23 22:56
DaemonFC:DJul 23 22:56
ThistleWebnot sure it'd have went down well with the broadcasters thoughJul 23 22:56
DaemonFCAl Bundy is awesomeJul 23 22:56
*ThistleWeb preferred Kelly BundyJul 23 22:57
DaemonFCTed Bundy is a serial killer that apparently survived the British dental systemJul 23 22:57
DaemonFCB-)Jul 23 22:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Even the Channel 4 sitcom "IT Crowd" makes fun of Windows....great new episode btw.... #channel4 #itcrowd #microsoft #windows #mvp #mvpbuzzJul 23 22:57
DaemonFCgovernment and budget don't belong in the same sentenceJul 23 22:59
DaemonFCmy budget outlook would look a little better if I could just take anything I wanted from anyone I wanted to take it fromJul 23 22:59
DaemonFCno doubtJul 23 22:59
DaemonFCgovernment doesn't live on a budgetJul 23 23:00
DaemonFCgovernment steals your money and mortgages your great grandchildrenJul 23 23:00
DaemonFC:PJul 23 23:00
schestowitzhttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Improved-Calculator-App-in-Ubuntu-10-10-147637.shtmlJul 23 23:00
TechrightsBotTitle: Improved Calculator App in Ubuntu 10.10 - Coming October 10th, 2010 - Softpedia .::. Size~: 56.51 KBJul 23 23:00
schestowitzWhoa!!!!!!Jul 23 23:00
schestowitzI gotta get. Gotta!Jul 23 23:00
DaemonFCschestowitz: The government wants the population to grow because when it stops growing, liberal ponzi scams like Socialized Insecurity start falling apartJul 23 23:02
schestowitzDaemonFC: maybe China will turn you to sex workerJul 23 23:02
schestowitzDaemonFC: there's this new ads in UK TV...Jul 23 23:02
schestowitzActually, IIRC it's a videoJul 23 23:02
schestowitzIt shows Chinese people commanding WesternersJul 23 23:02
schestowitzSign of the future or daemonisationJul 23 23:02
schestowitzDaemonFC: yes, it's true about population growthJul 23 23:03
DaemonFCSocialized Insecurity only works when there's more people giving than takingJul 23 23:03
schestowitzI heard this explanation beforeJul 23 23:03
schestowitzYou need population to grow to pay back the debtJul 23 23:03
cubezzz3yeah I got a calculatorJul 23 23:03
DaemonFCfor that to happen, every generation has to be larger than the one before itJul 23 23:03
schestowitzBut like all bubbles you know it's bound to backfireJul 23 23:03
cubezzz3you saw my 486 calculator schestowitz?Jul 23 23:03
DaemonFCwhich doesn't exactly happenJul 23 23:03
cubezzz3works goodJul 23 23:03
DaemonFCschestowitz: Yes, have a kidJul 23 23:04
schestowitzDaemonFC: and guess what?Jul 23 23:04
schestowitzChina didn't grow its polulationJul 23 23:04
DaemonFCthe government can mortgage him or her for $50,000 just like they did with youJul 23 23:04
cubezzz3writing a calc app wouldn't be hardJul 23 23:04
schestowitzNow the US owns China many trillionsJul 23 23:04
cubezzz3yikesJul 23 23:04
cubezzz3that's a lot :)Jul 23 23:04
schestowitzseveral...Jul 23 23:04
DaemonFChow much does the UK owe?Jul 23 23:04
schestowitzMaybe 4Jul 23 23:04
cubezzz3might have to add more zeroes to the calc app thoughJul 23 23:04
DaemonFCI know they have massive debt tooJul 23 23:04
schestowitzDaemonFC: almost 2 or moreJul 23 23:04
DaemonFChow does the UK debt to GDP ratio look?Jul 23 23:05
schestowitzDepends who you askJul 23 23:05
schestowitzOr as Ben Shalom Benanke would say, "I can't tell you!"Jul 23 23:05
schestowitz*rnankeJul 23 23:05
cubezzz3just reset all the debts to zeroJul 23 23:05
cubezzz3world-wideJul 23 23:05
DaemonFCyeah, the UK is an island of Intellectual Monopoly trollsJul 23 23:05
DaemonFCit's all they make anymoreJul 23 23:05
DaemonFCeven worse than the USJul 23 23:05
schestowitz[23:05] <cubezzz3> just reset all the debts to zeroJul 23 23:05
schestowitzWould be niceJul 23 23:05
cubezzz3I'm sure it's been done beforeJul 23 23:06
schestowitzcubezzz3: shame me up to wake me up :-Jul 23 23:06
schestowitzThen the bad dream will stopJul 23 23:06
cubezzz3it's all an illusion :)Jul 23 23:06
schestowitzYeahJul 23 23:06
cubezzz3everyone is using Linux and there's no debt :)Jul 23 23:06
schestowitzIllusion of PR.. shop till you dropJul 23 23:06
schestowitzLinux grows in CHina right nowJul 23 23:07
cubezzz3TV is an intellectual treatJul 23 23:07
schestowitz*threat?Jul 23 23:07
schestowitzI once read box offices have a surgeJul 23 23:07
schestowitzWanna know the reason they named? People escaping realityJul 23 23:08
cubezzz3"The most recent increase in the U.S. debt ceiling to $14.3 trillion by H.J.Res. 45 was signed into law on February 12, 2010."Jul 23 23:08
DaemonFCreally if you want to get dicky about it, OpenBSD is probably the most free OS there isJul 23 23:08
schestowitzSo, hey, maybe we can use films (hypnosis) cause we can't wake up with reset debtJul 23 23:08
cubezzz3they have a "debt ceiling"Jul 23 23:08
DaemonFCwhich has any real production value anywayJul 23 23:08
DaemonFCHURD doesn't countJul 23 23:08
cubezzz3HURD is the light thoughJul 23 23:08
cubezzz3;-)Jul 23 23:08
DaemonFCLinux blobs are growing 14 times faster than GPL codeJul 23 23:08
cubezzz3not on my boxes Jul 23 23:09
cubezzz3I use ancient code remember? Jul 23 23:09
DaemonFCFreeBSD doesn't even pretend to give a shitJul 23 23:09
schestowitzThe debt clock ran out of digitsJul 23 23:09
schestowitzMaybe they also need double rather than longJul 23 23:09
cubezzz3schestowitz, they need a debt clock that can dynamically increase it's display :)Jul 23 23:09
DaemonFCmaybe they need to express it in powers of 10Jul 23 23:09
DaemonFC:PJul 23 23:09
schestowitzDaemonFC: I have a plan for youJul 23 23:10
cubezzz3super wide screenJul 23 23:10
schestowitzTo pay back your collective debtJul 23 23:10
schestowitzAdopt 3 kidsJul 23 23:10
schestowitzMake them your slavesJul 23 23:10
schestowitzSend cheques to ChinaJul 23 23:10
schestowitzFor 50 yearsJul 23 23:10
schestowitzYou might get 5 years debt-free before you die... and your slav... kids will have longerJul 23 23:10
DaemonFCbullshitJul 23 23:11
schestowitzThen you face the challenge of getting tech edgeJul 23 23:11
DaemonFCI'm not subjecting anyone to thisJul 23 23:11
schestowitzAfter a generation grows in slavery there's no time for collegeJul 23 23:11
schestowitzSo you look at the Eastern world, which is like today's WestJul 23 23:11
DaemonFCschestowitz: The US federal government will be insolvent by the mid 2020sJul 23 23:11
DaemonFCand that's a good thingJul 23 23:12
DaemonFCmeans new governmentJul 23 23:12
schestowitzAnd you get some visas from the world's richest man, Li GuatesJul 23 23:12
schestowitzANd he corrupts the Chinese regimesJul 23 23:12
schestowitzTells them to make more visa availableJul 23 23:12
schestowitzCause the Chinese are not skilled enough and those 'cheap' people in the US are very advancedJul 23 23:12
schestowitzSo they can luckily sometimes be allowed to bring the family from Detroit to BeijingJul 23 23:13
schestowitzAnd buy a Chinese electric carJul 23 23:13
DaemonFCpoliticians play kick the canJul 23 23:13
DaemonFCand fund everything with debtJul 23 23:13
schestowitzNot debtJul 23 23:13
schestowitzKidsJul 23 23:13
schestowitzYoursJul 23 23:13
schestowitz'We don't have money right now, but.."Jul 23 23:14
schestowitz"We expect to have x more kids in the next 20 years, so we have OK credit, aiiight?"Jul 23 23:14
schestowitzMaybe I'll just move to CHina :-pJul 23 23:15
schestowitzBut then I'll have to blog about how so wonderful the leader isJul 23 23:15
schestowitzOr be beaten/imprisons/vanishedJul 23 23:15
schestowitz*nedJul 23 23:15
DaemonFChttp://www.courierpress.com/news/2010/jul/23/indiana-teen-accused-aiming-laser-police-helicopte/Jul 23 23:16
TechrightsBotTitle: Indiana teen accused of aiming laser at police helicopter  » Evansville Courier & Press .::. Size~: 102.53 KBJul 23 23:16
DaemonFClolJul 23 23:17
schestowitzYeahJul 23 23:17
schestowitzSame here tooJul 23 23:17
cubezzz3you can do humanrights.com on the side :)Jul 23 23:17
schestowitzWIth kidsJul 23 23:17
schestowitzcubezzz3: who, ryan?Jul 23 23:17
cubezzz3no you :)Jul 23 23:17
schestowitzDirty wordsJul 23 23:17
schestowitzHuman and rightsJul 23 23:17
schestowitz[in CHina]Jul 23 23:17
schestowitzPeople... republicJul 23 23:17
schestowitzAn ex-g/f of mine lives in ChinaJul 23 23:18
schestowitzAnd another got a degree in ChineseJul 23 23:18
schestowitzShe left her maths degreeeJul 23 23:18
schestowitzI have spoken to neither in years, but we're in good terms, so maybe I have myself a potential ticket into ChinaJul 23 23:18
schestowitz:-pJul 23 23:18
schestowitzHey, DaemonFC, maybe they'll reciprocate by importing white US citizens to build them a rail systemJul 23 23:19
schestowitzMaybe even a giant wall... to block the Mongol hordesJul 23 23:20
*Diablo-D3 sighs and puts down his axe.Jul 23 23:20
schestowitzMaybe Japan will lend some Uranium to the US... parachuted...Jul 23 23:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Once you've done that (you will get a server /pass) with which you can access the binaries...Jul 23 23:20
schestowitzDaemonFC has disappeared somewhere. Hey, DaemonFC, don't you know BearManCat is a poor password. You need to change it NOW.Jul 23 23:21
DaemonFChttp://www.browncountyindiana.com/index.php?id=4274Jul 23 23:22
TechrightsBotTitle: The Brown County Democrat - Brown County Indiana - Five felony charges each for five teens in arson case .::. Size~: 40.4 KBJul 23 23:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Why do people automatically assume Usenet binaries are for infringing copyright? Most of the Amiga PD can be found there, and soJul 23 23:22
DaemonFCroflJul 23 23:22
schestowitzI read that as Brown CountryJul 23 23:22
schestowitzBrown Country IndianaJul 23 23:22
schestowitzWhat a load of....Jul 23 23:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] many other free, legal downloads...Just had a very unpleasant email.....shame they never read my site and my strong anti-piracy stance.Jul 23 23:23
DaemonFChttp://www.nwitimes.com/business/local/article_cce3f4cf-2b8a-55be-8a61-418df58d64f2.htmlJul 23 23:24
TechrightsBotTitle: Expert: Subsidies vital to future of wind energy industry .::. Size~: 126.87 KBJul 23 23:24
schestowitzCOnfucius says, "in America, man arrests man for passing chemical. In Soviet CHina, man passes chemical"Jul 23 23:24
DaemonFCsubsidies, because some projects are not economically viableJul 23 23:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] IT Crowd is probably the only decent show left on TV now that Doctor Who has finished.Jul 23 23:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] I was in Livermore when the 3.5 quake hit; felt nothing. Didn't even know it happened until BART announced it 40 mins later.Jul 23 23:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin everyone is against piracy. Now, about sharing of files...Jul 23 23:25
schestowitzDaemonFC: "my name is Li, you killed my father, prepare to die...gest cats"Jul 23 23:26
schestowitzDaemonFC: if your cat lives long enough, he might live through the CHinese takeoverJul 23 23:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz lol...thought I would get that back! ;) "piracy" of IP (not high-seas) must be an ok term to use, afterall its what manyJul 23 23:27
schestowitzI hear they're running low in carbs and protein over thereJul 23 23:27
schestowitzCats are on the menuJul 23 23:27
DaemonFCbecause Chinese people are disgustingJul 23 23:28
DaemonFC:PJul 23 23:28
DaemonFCthey eat anything that swims, crawls, flies, slithers, etc.Jul 23 23:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz of the large "scene" groups refer to themselves as. If the "pirates" like to be called "pirates" whats the problem?Jul 23 23:28
DaemonFCthey're like catfishJul 23 23:28
DaemonFCbottom feedersJul 23 23:28
schestowitzNaaa..Jul 23 23:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin IP doesn't exist (except Internet Protocol); copyrights on the other hand....Jul 23 23:29
schestowitzDaemonFC: momma gave them a stomach, so they use itJul 23 23:29
schestowitzDietary choices are a cultural/upbringing thingJul 23 23:29
schestowitzAt least cannibalism hardly survivedJul 23 23:30
DaemonFChttp://www.thebraziltimes.com/story/1651703.htmlJul 23 23:30
TechrightsBotTitle: Brazil Times: Local News: Warrant issued for EMT (07/23/10) .::. Size~: 19.61 KBJul 23 23:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz I thought we were talking about the word "piracy"? It seems the only people with a problem with the name "pirate"Jul 23 23:31
schestowitzDaemonFC: this pervert needs a g/fJul 23 23:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz are those that are not. Like I say, the "scene" refers to itself as that and thats the source of much material.Jul 23 23:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Now IP on the otherhand...or intellectual property....thats a debate which probably isn't best suited for 140 chars...Jul 23 23:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin I don't use these words thoughJul 23 23:33
DaemonFChttp://www.apple.com/iphone/case-program/Jul 23 23:33
TechrightsBotTitle: Apple - iPhone 4 - Case Program .::. Size~: 12.4 KBJul 23 23:33
schestowitzcase study:Jul 23 23:34
schestowitzcase programJul 23 23:34
DaemonFCschestowitz: You figure the iphone simulator in Mono Develop would run that?Jul 23 23:34
schestowitzcase closedJul 23 23:34
schestowitzCase for Apple to be buries inJul 23 23:34
schestowitzCase of Apple=casket for dead xbox 360sJul 23 23:34
schestowitzThat page is hilariousJul 23 23:35
schestowitzFew wordsJul 23 23:35
schestowitzTo say, "our phone is a pile of garbage, so we give you stuff for it"Jul 23 23:36
schestowitzSteve Jobs is gonna put in a  case for thisJul 23 23:36
schestowitz[or get put in a bumper]Jul 23 23:36
schestowitzSomeone should make a Flash game about itJul 23 23:37
schestowitzFor angry hypePhoneFour buyersJul 23 23:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz I never suggested you did and RE: sharing of files, thats fine in my book as long as the owner/creator concurs..Jul 23 23:37
schestowitzCall it "putting Steve Jobs in a case"Jul 23 23:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin not all files have owners; some are mashupsJul 23 23:38
DaemonFCTurboLinux and Mandriva share the same core RPMs I believeJul 23 23:39
schestowitzYesJul 23 23:39
schestowitzProject ManboJul 23 23:39
schestowitzTurboLinux is  kaputJul 23 23:39
schestowitzLike LinspireJul 23 23:39
DaemonFChttp://www.mandriva.com/enterprise/en/company/press/mandriva-and-turbolinux-announce-a-partnership-and-create-a-joint-development-lab-cJul 23 23:39
TechrightsBotTitle: Mandriva and Turbolinux announce a partnership and create a joint development lab called Manbo-Labs | Mandriva linux .::. Size~: 18.62 KBJul 23 23:39
DaemonFCso they're not really connected to Mandriva beyond that?Jul 23 23:40
schestowitztrueJul 23 23:40
schestowitzThey said soJul 23 23:40
schestowitzAlan W told meJul 23 23:40
schestowitz*AdamJul 23 23:40
schestowitzHe's in Fedora now Jul 23 23:40
DaemonFCI should go check on that weed poisonJul 23 23:42
DaemonFCI hosed down some poison ivy growing on the side of the house :PJul 23 23:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Very true, but then there is a fine line isnt there? Let me ask you this question.....Jul 23 23:42
DaemonFCit said you could see the plants start to die within 6 hoursJul 23 23:42
schestowitzYour weed poison ends up in my waterJul 23 23:43
schestowitzSome molecules of itJul 23 23:43
schestowitzSo stop doin' weed!Jul 23 23:43
schestowitz:-pJul 23 23:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz What would your opinion be if I took the src to a FOSS package. Rebadged it and released it as my own work (proprietary)Jul 23 23:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz and didn't release the src...charging money for it. What would I be doing wrong? Who would be the victim? Whose ownership?Jul 23 23:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin it's a poor analogy; it's like saying you want to take a heavily-shared (YouTubed?) track, turn it to an album and sell copiesJul 23 23:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Of course we will both agree that is wrong, but why does it seem that there are "protections" for FOSS, but not for thatJul 23 23:45
schestowitzhttp://www.techdrivein.com/2010/07/how-to-install-firefox-40-beta-2-pre-in.htmlJul 23 23:45
TechrightsBotTitle: How to Install Firefox 4.0 Beta 2 Pre in Ubuntu Lucid From Silverwave PPA(Monthly Updates Only) | Tech Drive-in .::. Size~: 39.63 KBJul 23 23:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz No its not. Im taking the src and using it without "permission" just like someone who downloads a music track unlawfully.Jul 23 23:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin you suggest change in rulesJul 23 23:46
DaemonFCschestowitz: is a homeopath nowJul 23 23:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz But we have to have rules in everything. You have them on your comments sections (re: registered users only)Jul 23 23:47
DaemonFCI replaced schestowitz's water with 12X weed poisonJul 23 23:47
DaemonFClets see if he can taste the differenceJul 23 23:47
DaemonFCB-)Jul 23 23:47
schestowitzI'll eat your catJul 23 23:48
schestowitz:-)Jul 23 23:48
schestowitzAlive..... right after I skin it bwahahah!Jul 23 23:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz I have them on my site (swearing is not tollerated)Jul 23 23:48
DaemonFCschestowitz: according to the homeopaths, you can dilute something more than all the water on Earth can dilute itJul 23 23:49
DaemonFCsomehowJul 23 23:49
DaemonFCwater has this "memory" that they don't explain very wellJul 23 23:49
schestowitzDaemonFC: or in the universeJul 23 23:49
schestowitzDaemonFC: "water memory" is a "fix"Jul 23 23:50
schestowitzIt's when the quacks can't defend what they doJul 23 23:50
DaemonFCwhen I piss in the toilet and flush it, then all the water on Earth is a mixture of my urine that's a billion times more potent than a homeopathic remedyJul 23 23:50
DaemonFCB-)Jul 23 23:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin sharing is less about rulesJul 23 23:50
schestowitzSo they either resort to quantum-waffle or this whole "memory" thingJul 23 23:50
DaemonFCschestowitz: is drinking a homeopathic mix of Round Up Weed Killer and my urine nowJul 23 23:50
DaemonFCyummyJul 23 23:51
DaemonFC:PJul 23 23:51
schestowitzLike people who say God can't be seen because [technowaffle]Jul 23 23:51
schestowitzDaemonFC: you do actuallyJul 23 23:51
DaemonFCeveryone on Earth doesJul 23 23:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz But just out of interest then, if I had done what I exampled...what would I be "guilty" of?Jul 23 23:51
schestowitzIn your life you'll have one molecule that passed through the bladder of each past personJul 23 23:51
DaemonFCGod can't be seen because his waffles are giving him technical difficulties?Jul 23 23:52
schestowitzAnd none of your cells will stay in your body in some years (probably), even though you'll stay the same shapeJul 23 23:52
DaemonFCthat's the best explanation I've heard yetJul 23 23:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin you need to think further. Your recipeint/buyer will shareJul 23 23:53
DaemonFCschestowitz: I find it amusing that the British are so stupid that the NHS pays for homeopathic quackeryJul 23 23:53
DaemonFCto the tune of about  $5 billion USD per yearJul 23 23:53
DaemonFCand your Queen swears by itJul 23 23:53
schestowitzhttp://il.youtube.com/watch?v=0jqP_1beVXQJul 23 23:54
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- James Randi Lecture @ Caltech - Homeopathy .::. Size~: 99.07 KBJul 23 23:54
schestowitzI can't find this video where a Chines-American lady speaks nonsense about homeopathyJul 23 23:55
DaemonFCwith the money your healthcare system spends on vials of water masquerading as medicine, you could build two Space ShuttlesJul 23 23:55
DaemonFCevery yearJul 23 23:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Im sorry, Im not getting that. If I have taken the src of an Open source package and sold it as my own, what would youJul 23 23:55
DaemonFCB-)Jul 23 23:55
schestowitzLike saying it can be the size of the universe of somethingJul 23 23:55
schestowitzYou're likeJul 23 23:55
schestowitz,"ha? WAHAA?!! AAGH>....."Jul 23 23:55
DaemonFCYour tax dollars at workJul 23 23:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz say I was doing wrong?Jul 23 23:56
DaemonFCthat's the most collosally stupid thing I've ever heard of a government doing with moneyJul 23 23:56
DaemonFCthe UK could have a small manned space program with the money it spends on bottled water pretending to be medicineJul 23 23:57
DaemonFC:PJul 23 23:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin when you sell it, then it can still be shared. Only a fool would still buy itJul 23 23:57
schestowitzPlacebopathyJul 23 23:57
ender2070just like the pills you're sometimes forced to takeJul 23 23:57
DaemonFCschestowitz: Long live your Queen!Jul 23 23:58
DaemonFC:PJul 23 23:58
DaemonFCender2070: Long live your Queen!Jul 23 23:58
DaemonFCheheJul 23 23:58
ender2070lolJul 23 23:58
DaemonFCshe drinks little $5 billion bottles of waterJul 23 23:58
DaemonFCshe's more of a rockstar than anyone else on EarthJul 23 23:58
DaemonFCB-)Jul 23 23:58
schestowitzRockingchair yuo mean?Jul 23 23:59
schestowitzI was in her palace last weekJul 23 23:59
ender2070so yeah, my working title for my non fiction book is called 'Marxist Canada: Illustrating Canada's Role in the New World Order'Jul 23 23:59
DaemonFCwhy do you still have a monarchyJul 23 23:59
DaemonFCin your words?Jul 23 23:59
schestowitzI might post photos later....Jul 23 23:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz a fool maybe...but I could adapt it with more features or merely release without src passing it off as my own....Jul 23 23:59

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