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| schestowitz | Weird. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38338496/ns/us_news-life/ | Jul 23 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | There is hope for a happy DaemonFC | Jul 23 00:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.technologyreview.com/business/25833/ | Jul 23 00:01 |
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| ThistleWeb | I'm guessing you know a debian / ubuntu dev called Joe Sheilds | Jul 23 00:02 |
| ThistleWeb | he does the mono stuff | Jul 23 00:02 |
| cubezzz3 | my solution is to use older Linux :) | Jul 23 00:03 |
| cubezzz3 | no mono in 2.2 | Jul 23 00:03 |
| ThistleWeb | just giving a heads up in case you hadn't spotted it already, he was interviewed on the latest ubuntu UK podcast | Jul 23 00:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.asylum.com/2010/07/22/its-the-worlds-strongest-most-expensive-beer-inside-a-squi/ | Jul 23 00:04 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: It's the World's Strongest, Most Expensive Beer -- Inside a Squirrel - Asylum.com .::. Size~: 73.37 KB | Jul 23 00:04 |
| schestowitz | "Oh, and did we mention that the bottles come in stuffed animals-like stuffed animals that were once alive? The 12 bottles have been made featuring seven dead stoats (a kind of weasel), four squirrels and one rabbit. James Watt, one of the two guys behind BrewDog, put it better than we ever could: "The impact of The End of History is a perfect conceptual marriage between taxidermy, art and craft brewing." Just like we've all been | Jul 23 00:04 |
| schestowitz | waiting for!" | Jul 23 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Assholes | Jul 23 00:04 |
| cubezzz3 | kind of gross schestowitz | Jul 23 00:05 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yeah, he ruins Debian too | Jul 23 00:05 |
| cubezzz3 | well, I don't drink beer anyway | Jul 23 00:05 |
| schestowitz | "Look, that's a nice squirrel | Jul 23 00:05 |
| ThistleWeb | apparently he's mainly a debian dev who also does ubuntu | Jul 23 00:05 |
| *cubezzz3 coins a new term: retrocomputerologist | Jul 23 00:05 | |
| schestowitz | "Let's feed him more" | Jul 23 00:05 |
| schestowitz | "More him fat so we can shove a bigger bottle down its throat | Jul 23 00:05 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: /does/infects/ | Jul 23 00:06 |
| ThistleWeb | lamenting the fact that the anti mono push made uk tv companies switch from silverlight to flash, so his mom on ubuntu can no longer watchthe channels | Jul 23 00:06 |
| schestowitz | He does nothing for Ubuntu except Mono insertion | Jul 23 00:06 |
| cubezzz3 | that sounds perverse :) | Jul 23 00:07 |
| ThistleWeb | he certainly didnt speak of anything beyond mono / silverlight / moonlight | Jul 23 00:07 |
| schestowitz | That's what he does | Jul 23 00:07 |
| ThistleWeb | I guessed you'd know of him | Jul 23 00:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:techrights.org+Shields&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl= | Jul 23 00:07 |
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| cubezzz3 | it's the media companies fault for using stupid things like flash and silverlight | Jul 23 00:08 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2008/12/28/thank-you-joseph/ | Jul 23 00:08 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Tha*k You Too, Joseph | Techrights .::. Size~: 131.61 KB | Jul 23 00:08 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah that was my take too, niether are free platform friendly | Jul 23 00:09 |
| cubezzz3 | if they broadcast FTA then it's no problem | Jul 23 00:09 |
| ThistleWeb | ya might wanna check out the latest ubuntu uk podcast ep for the interview anyway | Jul 23 00:09 |
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| cubezzz3 | well there's gnash | Jul 23 00:11 |
| cubezzz3 | I just don't have the time to study it these days | Jul 23 00:11 |
| ThistleWeb | the podcast also mentions the fact that mint and crunchbang are stepping away from ubuntu as a base to differing degrees | Jul 23 00:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @photomatt Thrilled, however, that #thesiswp is now legal and in compliance, I hope this encourages others to fully embrace the GPL. | Jul 23 00:13 | |
| cubezzz3 | not surprising | Jul 23 00:13 |
| ThistleWeb | mint is gonna be ubuntu based for the forseeable future, but crunchbang already switched | Jul 23 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | it's like the light got flipped on and all the roaches are running away | Jul 23 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | I think a lot of them are starting to realize that Ubuntu is just a buzzword | Jul 23 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | and it's more work to base off Ubuntu and get the results you want than it is to use Debian in the first place | Jul 23 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | Mepis based off Ubuntu briefly | Jul 23 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | then realized what a maintainence nightmare it was going to be | Jul 23 00:17 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: gnewsense too | Jul 23 00:17 |
| schestowitz | It moved to Debian a while back | Jul 23 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | Linspire 6.0 was basically Ubuntu 7.04 + crap | Jul 23 00:18 |
| schestowitz | mepis tried Ubuntu, went back to Debian quickly | Jul 23 00:18 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: not all along | Jul 23 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Xandros was Debian all along afaik | Jul 23 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | well, Linspire 6 was basically Kubuntu 7.04 | Jul 23 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | is what I mean | Jul 23 00:18 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: "Crap" includes "Live" search bar | Jul 23 00:18 |
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| DaemonFC | Ubuntu with KDE = Kubuntu | Jul 23 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | + crap = Linspire | Jul 23 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Hi, agent | Jul 23 00:19 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah I thought thre mepis thing was odd at the time, debian, a couple (maybe one) of ubuntu, then back to debian | Jul 23 00:19 |
| Agent-Smith | Good evening folks | Jul 23 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | ThistleWeb: Typically every distro that bases off Ubuntu leaves eventually | Jul 23 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | if not at the very next opportunity | Jul 23 00:19 |
| Agent-Smith | BTW, FISL 11 is going full steam in Porto Alegre | Jul 23 00:20 |
| snakeye | I left Ubuntu before it pushed mono on everybody, went Archlinux + kde | Jul 23 00:20 |
| ThistleWeb | from what I understand ubuntu are embedding more and more ubuntu speific things in like ubuntu one that it's harder for base distros to remove it and have a regular release cycle | Jul 23 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu patches things to work for their use cases | Jul 23 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | not necessarily yours | Jul 23 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 23 00:20 |
| Agent-Smith | Ubuntu is doing something crappy | Jul 23 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | Not that Debian is known for having the cleanest upstreaming policy | Jul 23 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | but Ubuntu packages are like irrevocably contaminated :P | Jul 23 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Agent-Smith: just some thing? | Jul 23 00:21 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, lots | Jul 23 00:21 |
| Agent-Smith | But this one thing annoys me a lot | Jul 23 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | I thought the Ubuntu One crap was all high level (though buggy and resource hogging) Python crap? | Jul 23 00:21 |
| Agent-Smith | They R changing the names of the libs, so the packages become incompatible with Debian | Jul 23 00:22 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm curious to see where the mint debian version goes to see what the differemce is in actually running it | Jul 23 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | they're not going to maintain both | Jul 23 00:22 |
| ThistleWeb | no they wont | Jul 23 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | they wouldn't be investigating using a Debian base if they weren't planning to switch | Jul 23 00:22 |
| Agent-Smith | Do u understand, they are changing the dependency tree, to do not allow debian packages and vice versa | Jul 23 00:23 |
| ThistleWeb | the debian is very much a side project | Jul 23 00:23 |
| ThistleWeb | it may be a feeler for a switch somewhere down the line | Jul 23 00:23 |
| ThistleWeb | but for now it's a side project | Jul 23 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they have blacklistings for certain Debian packages | Jul 23 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | so they never get pulled in in preference to the Ubuntu-modified one | Jul 23 00:23 |
| *ThistleWeb feels he should point out that he's a happy Mint user | Jul 23 00:23 | |
| *ThistleWeb wasnt to avoid any conflict of interest issues lol | Jul 23 00:24 | |
| Agent-Smith | This is kinda Appleish from Canonical... | Jul 23 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is mainly jsut a passive consumer of the software stack they use | Jul 23 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | Greg-KH did an honest comparison once | Jul 23 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | where he highlighted that even Mandriva in bankruptcy is contributing 3 times the patches upstream that Ubunu is | Jul 23 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | and Debian was like double Ubuntu | Jul 23 00:25 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup, I found them leecher | Jul 23 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | and Fedora and OpenSuse blew most everything else away | Jul 23 00:25 |
| Agent-Smith | Leechers, I mean | Jul 23 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | he tracked them over a two year period and found out they contributed one patch upstream to Xorg | Jul 23 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | (Ubuntu did) | Jul 23 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 23 00:26 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup | Jul 23 00:26 |
| Agent-Smith | There's a saying for this | Jul 23 00:26 |
| Agent-Smith | Have sexual pleasures with someone else' s dick... | Jul 23 00:26 |
| schestowitz | Linux for Selfish Humans? | Jul 23 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | and that they were doing less than 1/10th of 1% of the work on Linux | Jul 23 00:27 |
| cubezzz3 | one of the distros I use isn't even on distrowatch | Jul 23 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | he had to round up to give them that | Jul 23 00:27 |
| ThistleWeb | are they submitting them and the projects not taking them though? | Jul 23 00:27 |
| Agent-Smith | But, folks | Jul 23 00:27 |
| Agent-Smith | I dropped by | Jul 23 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | well a lot of the work they do doesn't meet the quality standards of the upstream project | Jul 23 00:27 |
| Agent-Smith | Because I saw some | Jul 23 00:27 |
| Agent-Smith | puzzling news | Jul 23 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | so even when they offer stuff, half the time upstream says HELL NO! | Jul 23 00:27 |
| ThistleWeb | that does seem hard to believe | Jul 23 00:28 |
| Agent-Smith | Take a look at this | Jul 23 00:28 |
| snakeye | that's funny in a sad and pathetic sort of way ;) | Jul 23 00:28 |
| Agent-Smith | http://mashable.com/2010/07/22/microsoft-q4-financials/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Mashable+(Mashable)&utm_content=Google+Reader | Jul 23 00:28 |
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| ThistleWeb | I could imagine that for the odd patch here and there but not as a pattern | Jul 23 00:28 |
| Agent-Smith | I read that | Jul 23 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Layoffs | Jul 23 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | they have one guy that I found to be semi-competant with regards to their kernel team | Jul 23 00:28 |
| Agent-Smith | And my eyes started to roll | Jul 23 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | (which is about 9 people) | Jul 23 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | Tim Gardner | Jul 23 00:28 |
| Agent-Smith | WTF ?!?!?!? | Jul 23 00:28 |
| cubezzz3 | they peaked now they are trailing off | Jul 23 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | and he's so busy playing patch monkey that he hardly ever sends stuff upstream | Jul 23 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Agent-Smith: it's spin | Jul 23 00:29 |
| schestowitz | I'll write a post about it later | Jul 23 00:29 |
| Agent-Smith | Guys, M$ must have a genius/magician accountant... | Jul 23 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Mashable it parroting press releases, as usual | Jul 23 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Agent-Smith: no | Jul 23 00:29 |
| schestowitz | He ran away | Jul 23 00:29 |
| schestowitz | And they paid him millions not to talk about why | Jul 23 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | Greg KH pointed out somewhat comically, that if Nvidia went out of business, it would be more of a loss to Xorg and Linux than if Ubuntu disappeared | Jul 23 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 23 00:30 |
| schestowitz | You have to be an accountant to understand their tricks | Jul 23 00:30 |
| Agent-Smith | Ahh, I see... Is he the guy from Microsoft TaxDodger.com ??? | Jul 23 00:30 |
| schestowitz | No | Jul 23 00:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/goldman_sachs_gc_got_38.3m_in_midst_of_2008_crisis/ | Jul 23 00:30 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Goldman Sachs General Counsel Got $38.3M in Midst of 2008 Crisis - News - ABA Journal .::. Size~: 30.25 KB | Jul 23 00:30 |
| cubezzz3 | look at the stock... it's flat | Jul 23 00:30 |
| cubezzz3 | it's been flat for ages | Jul 23 00:31 |
| Agent-Smith | I see, I've read that article already... | Jul 23 00:31 |
| schestowitz | http://voices.washingtonpost.com/political-economy/2010/07/sen_levin_on_goldman_sachs_whe.html | Jul 23 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia contributes to Xorg and Linux when it's necessary to make their products work | Jul 23 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | so they do actually contribute, sometimes | Jul 23 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Heh. Ubuntu is the queen termite | Jul 23 00:32 |
| cubezzz3 | probably better just to make your own distro and patch it the way you like | Jul 23 00:32 |
| cubezzz3 | I pretty much did that with BL3 | Jul 23 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They're busy desperately tryign to turn a profit | Jul 23 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | so they're pumping Ubuntu full of bloat and spam and advertising | Jul 23 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | and it's really not helping the quality of their distro | Jul 23 00:33 |
| ThistleWeb | as much as I'd love to see ubuntu do well, the queality has seemed to suffer | Jul 23 00:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h3kgMAkbLwyfxBdjzw8Pc4KZ7DhQD9H2QVA80 | Jul 23 00:34 |
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| DaemonFC | they're more concerned with making sure Ubuntu One pops up everywhere than the drag their plugins have on things like speed of the file browser | Jul 23 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | and whether Nautilus crashes a lot or not | Jul 23 00:34 |
| ender2070 | YUMMMMMAH!!!! http://www.asylum.com/2010/07/22/its-the-worlds-strongest-most-expensive-beer-inside-a-squi/ | Jul 23 00:34 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: It's the World's Strongest, Most Expensive Beer -- Inside a Squirrel - Asylum.com .::. Size~: 73.32 KB | Jul 23 00:34 |
| ThistleWeb | mint seem to manage to mitigate that quite a lot and put out a polished product, even if it is a bit later released | Jul 23 00:34 |
| Agent-Smith | BTW, I'm reading Barbarians Lead By Bill Gates... | Jul 23 00:35 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: beat you to it! | Jul 23 00:35 |
| cubezzz3 | try World War 3.0 Agent-Smith :) | Jul 23 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | ThistleWeb: Is Mint still search hijacking Firefox? | Jul 23 00:35 |
| ender2070 | damn you | Jul 23 00:35 |
| ender2070 | i was sleeping | Jul 23 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | with that Google Custom Search that breaks your shit? :) | Jul 23 00:35 |
| Agent-Smith | I'm finding it interesting | Jul 23 00:35 |
| Agent-Smith | Ahh, Brandon, R u there ??? | Jul 23 00:35 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Jul 23 00:35 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: in the afternoon? | Jul 23 00:35 |
| ender2070 | i've gotten so little sleep the last few days | Jul 23 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Stop drinking that squirrel, damn it! | Jul 23 00:36 |
| Agent-Smith | Yeah, E-17 RULEZ | Jul 23 00:36 |
| ender2070 | my body is catching up | Jul 23 00:36 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jul 23 00:36 |
| ThistleWeb | DaemonFC: yeah its still there by default, I always remove it because I dont use google search | Jul 23 00:36 |
| ender2070 | i've been going to bed around 2-3 and waking up at 6:30am for school | Jul 23 00:36 |
| *DaemonFC slaps schestowitz with SquirrelFish Extreme! | Jul 23 00:36 | |
| Agent-Smith | Man, That Lefty friend of yours, what a weird chap... | Jul 23 00:36 |
| ThistleWeb | apparently peeps who do use google say it's not as good as the regular google seacrh, or they'd happily use it | Jul 23 00:36 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: these bottles give a whole new meaning to "sucking on a beaver" | Jul 23 00:36 |
| ender2070 | im not friends with people who don't exist | Jul 23 00:36 |
| Agent-Smith | Eheheheheheh... The guy must be schizoid or something | Jul 23 00:37 |
| schestowitz | It's intoxicating, that beaver with a bottle | Jul 23 00:37 |
| Agent-Smith | Other day, he was very friendly, offered to help me with some issues I had with Linux From Scratch... | Jul 23 00:38 |
| ender2070 | im building LFS right now | Jul 23 00:38 |
| ThistleWeb | it is easy enough to remove, if you know it's a package in the repos, not a regular firefox addon, which I think is a bit off personally | Jul 23 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Agent-Smith: "schmoozing" | Jul 23 00:38 |
| ender2070 | im in the middle of one of the steps | Jul 23 00:38 |
| Agent-Smith | Of course I looked at him this way (G_G) | Jul 23 00:39 |
| Agent-Smith | Eheheheheh | Jul 23 00:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-07-20/canadian-stocks-rise-as-fuels-copper-gold-futures-all-advance.html | Jul 23 00:39 |
| Agent-Smith | LFS is gr8 | Jul 23 00:39 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Canadian Stocks Rise as Fuels, Copper, Gold Futures All Advance - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 48.03 KB | Jul 23 00:39 |
| ThistleWeb | it only takes the searches if you search with the mint google, not the regular google | Jul 23 00:39 |
| ender2070 | how is that any different than canonical hijacking firefox search? | Jul 23 00:40 |
| ender2070 | (vs mint doing it) | Jul 23 00:40 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/42731751#notice-43074206 "I don't really get that - openSUSE is mostly independent (and getting more so), what needs forking?" | Jul 23 00:41 |
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| ThistleWeb | the home page is set to mint's own, you dont have to use it, the default search box is set to mint's own, you dont have to use it | Jul 23 00:41 |
| schestowitz | trademark is a problem to OpenSUSE folks | Jul 23 00:41 |
| ThistleWeb | it's one of the first things I remove in a mint install | Jul 23 00:41 |
| ender2070 | Mint is rebasing on debian isn't it? | Jul 23 00:42 |
| Agent-Smith | I used Open Suse 10.3 | Jul 23 00:42 |
| Agent-Smith | I heard so... | Jul 23 00:42 |
| ender2070 | i used to use suse before novell came around | Jul 23 00:42 |
| ender2070 | suse linux professional 9.x | Jul 23 00:42 |
| ThistleWeb | yes and no, the debian mint is a side project, it's still with ubuntu for the regualr mint | Jul 23 00:42 |
| ender2070 | 8.x too | Jul 23 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Before it became Ballnux | Jul 23 00:42 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Jul 23 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Novell had some Microsoft-hostile ads | Jul 23 00:42 |
| schestowitz | They removed them | Jul 23 00:42 |
| ender2070 | i remember it was one of the first to adopt kernel 2.6 | Jul 23 00:42 |
| ThistleWeb | they may decide down the line to switch, but it's still ubuntu based for now | Jul 23 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Almost nothing is based on SUSE | Jul 23 00:43 |
| ender2070 | after novell took over they favoured gnome, with its stupid Red Carpet updater and Ximian Gnome | Jul 23 00:43 |
| schestowitz | There's not even a 'centos' of SLES | Jul 23 00:43 |
| Agent-Smith | CentOS is cool | Jul 23 00:43 |
| ender2070 | Scientific is better | Jul 23 00:44 |
| ender2070 | faster copying of RHEL | Jul 23 00:44 |
| Agent-Smith | Although it lags behind RH | Jul 23 00:44 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2006/12/27/stafford-masie-presentation-at-citi-forum-transcript/ | Jul 23 00:44 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Stafford Masie Presentation at CITI Forum: Transcript | Techrights .::. Size~: 112.1 KB | Jul 23 00:44 |
| schestowitz | That's Novell explaining Ximian and Red Carpet | Jul 23 00:44 |
| ender2070 | Scientific Linux 5.5 came out a lot sooner than Centos 5.5 | Jul 23 00:44 |
| ender2070 | same shit | Jul 23 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Saying Scientific Linux is like saying "Greedy Microsoft" | Jul 23 00:45 |
| ender2070 | as for suse i did use it with novell around but i switched away from it shortly after | Jul 23 00:45 |
| schestowitz | It's implied | Jul 23 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Linux *is* scientific | Jul 23 00:45 |
| ender2070 | you know what i mean | Jul 23 00:45 |
| ender2070 | the distro | Jul 23 00:45 |
| ender2070 | https://www.scientificlinux.org/ | Jul 23 00:46 |
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| schestowitz | Linux is made by some CD phds | Jul 23 00:46 |
| schestowitz | *CS | Jul 23 00:46 |
| schestowitz | ANd it's not a bunch of lawyers+marketing | Jul 23 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Like BillG+SteveB | Jul 23 00:46 |
| schestowitz | 'Stealing' code from trash can | Jul 23 00:47 |
| Agent-Smith | LOL | Jul 23 00:47 |
| schestowitz | In hope of making lots of money from people who can actually code | Jul 23 00:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mysmartrend.com/news-briefs/news-watch/red-hat-rht-crosses-pivot-point-resistance-3197 | Jul 23 00:47 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Red Hat (RHT) Crosses Pivot Point Resistance at $31.97 | Comtex SmarTrend .::. Size~: 21.58 KB | Jul 23 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat is where brains are | Jul 23 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is where.... well, the rest fall | Jul 23 00:48 |
| schestowitz | And cheap labour from Asia | Jul 23 00:48 |
| Agent-Smith | You probably read Tim's article about the Fall of Redmond Empire | Jul 23 00:49 |
| schestowitz | RIM sold more than 1000 times more phones than KIN | Jul 23 00:49 |
| schestowitz | When people think of RIM they think O' Canada | Jul 23 00:49 |
| ender2070 | redhat does sell out sometimes though | Jul 23 00:49 |
| ender2070 | nobody is perfect | Jul 23 00:49 |
| schestowitz | But a lot of people falsely think of Microsoft as "USA" | Jul 23 00:50 |
| schestowitz | They are not | Jul 23 00:50 |
| schestowitz | They import people with visas and look for suckers who take $50 for 15-hour work days | Jul 23 00:50 |
| ender2070 | [19:40] <schestowitz> 'Stealing' code from trash can | Jul 23 00:50 |
| ender2070 | CODEPLEX | Jul 23 00:50 |
| schestowitz | And it shows (they produce kin, zune, lousy xbox 360..) | Jul 23 00:50 |
| ender2070 | They only accept licenses they can steal code from | Jul 23 00:50 |
| schestowitz | CodePlex is where code comes to die | Jul 23 00:51 |
| ender2070 | not even the fake microsoft in the movie 'Antitrust' did that | Jul 23 00:51 |
| ender2070 | they had cameras in peoples homes | Jul 23 00:51 |
| ender2070 | this removes that requirement | Jul 23 00:51 |
| ender2070 | it was funny in that movie, they were copying and pasting code or something out of the spy cam footage | Jul 23 00:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tech-data-earns-top-honors-from-fujitsu-red-hat-and-samsung-2010-07-15?reflink=MW_news_stmp | Jul 23 00:53 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Tech Data Earns Top Honors from Fujitsu, Red Hat and Samsung - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 77.73 KB | Jul 23 00:53 |
| schestowitz | VIsta Phone 7 doesn't have copy and paste functionality | Jul 23 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Less is more | Jul 23 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Less is less is... Microsoft | Jul 23 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has already presold 90k Vista Phone 7s | Jul 23 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | I like my J2ME phone | Jul 23 00:54 |
| schestowitz | It forced its employees to accept them | Jul 23 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | it's pretty easy to manage | Jul 23 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Day 1 after release: "we're selling at a pace of 100k per day !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1" | Jul 23 00:55 |
| schestowitz | True | Jul 23 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Technically... | Jul 23 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | "- As more applications move to the web browser via plugins for technologies like Flash and Silverlight, the underlying operating system may matter less." | Jul 23 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | -Nvidia | Jul 23 00:55 |
| schestowitz | "As more games move to the web browser and consoles, the GPU may matter less." -me | Jul 23 00:56 |
| snakeye | flash is gonna die | Jul 23 00:56 |
| Agent-Smith | Hey folks | Jul 23 00:56 |
| Agent-Smith | Watch now Fisl 11 | Jul 23 00:56 |
| Agent-Smith | http://noticiasaovivo.terra.com.br/noticias/noticias/371-br/ | Jul 23 00:56 |
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| schestowitz | snakeye: not die, just go to sleep permanently | Jul 23 00:56 |
| schestowitz | "Pass away to a better place..." | Jul 23 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Agent-Smith: I told a friend about FISL on Tuesday | Jul 23 00:57 |
| schestowitz | He's looking for an FS event to go to in S.America | Jul 23 00:57 |
| Agent-Smith | Ohh, FISL is gr8 | Jul 23 00:57 |
| snakeye | they can't even do an x86_64, how backwards can they get? | Jul 23 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Agent-Smith: Microsoft will call the CIA | Jul 23 00:58 |
| schestowitz | And ask the CIA to overthrow Lula :-) | Jul 23 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva has gotten much less buggy | Jul 23 00:58 |
| Agent-Smith | Pity I haven't got money to go to Fisl 11... :-( | Jul 23 00:58 |
| schestowitz | They can help train a guerilla army in the Amazon | Jul 23 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | over the last couple of years | Jul 23 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Corp. = United Fruit Company 2.0 | Jul 23 00:58 |
| Agent-Smith | CIA is busy now, with Fidel and Chavez | Jul 23 00:58 |
| schestowitz | I know | Jul 23 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | what amused me is that their installer still uses a mockup of KDE 3 to show you what your screen resolution setting will look like | Jul 23 00:59 |
| Agent-Smith | Mr. Maddog is here in the Fisl | Jul 23 00:59 |
| schestowitz | He always goes | Jul 23 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | Agent-Smith: Hasn't the CIA given up trying to kill Castro? | Jul 23 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | he'll die of old age within a few years now | Jul 23 01:00 |
| Agent-Smith | They want to derail Cuban govmt | Jul 23 01:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=mediatype%3Amovies%20AND%20collection%3Adigitaltippingpoint%20AND%20subject%3A%22FISL%20Conference%22 | Jul 23 01:00 |
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| Agent-Smith | Fidel passed the torch to his brother, Raul | Jul 23 01:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=mediatype%3Amovies%20AND%20collection%3Adigitaltippingpoint%20AND%20subject%3A%22FISL%20Con%205%22 | Jul 23 01:00 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Internet Archive Search: mediatype:movies AND subject:"FISL Con 5" .::. Size~: 121.08 KB | Jul 23 01:00 |
| schestowitz | As ogg | Jul 23 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | Raul is in his 70s | Jul 23 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | 76 I think | Jul 23 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | that's not exactly young | Jul 23 01:00 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup, but he's in better shape than Fidel... | Jul 23 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | it will be interesting what happens when both of them are dead | Jul 23 01:01 |
| schestowitz | CHina will have dominated | Jul 23 01:01 |
| Agent-Smith | Too many cigars charged their toll... | Jul 23 01:01 |
| schestowitz | And they are hybrid commucapitalists | Jul 23 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | power vaccum in a dictatorship is always interesting | Jul 23 01:01 |
| Agent-Smith | :-D | Jul 23 01:01 |
| schestowitz | US will go tippytoe and ask China for permission to lobby Cuba | Jul 23 01:01 |
| schestowitz | And China will say, "NO!!! Back to work! | Jul 23 01:02 |
| Agent-Smith | Actually, China holds a Damocles sword over USA's head... | Jul 23 01:02 |
| Agent-Smith | USA's debts with China R huge | Jul 23 01:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC is a proud citizen, he'll lash out | Jul 23 01:03 |
| Agent-Smith | So, China kinda controls USA | Jul 23 01:03 |
| schestowitz | US astronauts will soon hop on Chinese air missions | Jul 23 01:03 |
| schestowitz | NASA will help Americans get a hitch to space | Jul 23 01:03 |
| Agent-Smith | Citizen from USA or China ??? | Jul 23 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | NASAs job is apparently making towelheads feel good about themselves | Jul 23 01:04 |
| schestowitz | Cause the US increased investments in space, just not the good parts after Bush helped his mates with contracts | Jul 23 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | so we don't have a space agency anymore | Jul 23 01:04 |
| schestowitz | No moon missions for a long time, after about 12 landings/people | Jul 23 01:04 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: so take the towel off your head! | Jul 23 01:05 |
| Agent-Smith | The last lecture of the day | Jul 23 01:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/4321532 | Jul 23 01:05 |
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| Agent-Smith | Was about Meeg/Moblin development | Jul 23 01:05 |
| Agent-Smith | Meego I mean | Jul 23 01:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=201007191638dowjonesdjonline000416&title=vmware-looks-for-new-growth-in-desktop-virtualization | Jul 23 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | Microsofters aim at desktop from another vector | Jul 23 01:06 |
| schestowitz | MeeGo is no-go | Jul 23 01:06 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/16583/android_may_have_the_phones_but_meego_may_get_the_cars | Jul 23 01:06 |
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| Agent-Smith | Well, It's Intel + Nokia joint effort | Jul 23 01:07 |
| Agent-Smith | ANd the guy was saying Intel is doing the low level | Jul 23 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | NASA is supposed to congratulate Arabs over their contributions to society | Jul 23 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | barbaric religion and car bombs I guess | Jul 23 01:07 |
| Agent-Smith | While Nokia is doing the Qt and interface stuff | Jul 23 01:07 |
| Agent-Smith | But, since Intel doesn't have decent vide drivers, I see cloud skies for Meego | Jul 23 01:08 |
| schestowitz | ameego is what Miguel calls WIndows | Jul 23 01:08 |
| Agent-Smith | EHEHEHEHHEHE | Jul 23 01:08 |
| Agent-Smith | LOL | Jul 23 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | re-implement Windows API in "managed code" on top of Linux | Jul 23 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | Mono is the Mexican Windows | Jul 23 01:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.gurufocus.com/news.php?id=100582 | Jul 23 01:09 |
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| Agent-Smith | Well, Got to go now, it was a fine time with you guys. I'll keep on Identi.Ca, if you need to pass me anything. | Jul 23 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Guillermo Amaral | Jul 23 01:10 |
| Agent-Smith | Ok? | Jul 23 01:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.twit.tv/floss127 | Jul 23 01:10 |
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| Agent-Smith | Good night folks | Jul 23 01:11 |
| schestowitz | ok | Jul 23 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | let us manage your code for you | Jul 23 01:11 |
| Agent-Smith | Bye | Jul 23 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | we'll manage those pesky users too | Jul 23 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | lots of things need to be "managed" | Jul 23 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | dr[m] | Jul 23 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_codename_%22Acropolis%22 | Jul 23 01:14 |
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| DaemonFC | "On October 29, 2007, the Acropolis team announced that Acropolis will not be released as a standalone product nor will there be any newer CTP releases." | Jul 23 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | Project Necropolis | Jul 23 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 23 01:14 |
| schestowitz | Necro is death, no? | Jul 23 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | Necropolis = Large cemetary | Jul 23 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | a pile of dead and abandoned ideas | Jul 23 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 23 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | Project Necropolis | Jul 23 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Detroit, MI | Jul 23 01:20 |
| schestowitz | Beats Toyko :-) | Jul 23 01:20 |
| ThistleWeb | arent the Necro Polis, the department of the Police who deal with corpse humpin'? ;) | Jul 23 01:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] "Five Reasons You Don't Need Microsoft Office 2010" http://bit.ly/ayhuG7u | Jul 23 01:24 | |
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| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: that's the South African police | Jul 23 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Playing with corpses | Jul 23 01:29 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Jul 23 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Back in the days | Jul 23 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Necrophile in Negropolis? | Jul 23 01:29 |
| ThistleWeb | any connection to Negroponte? | Jul 23 01:30 |
| schestowitz | OLPC | Jul 23 01:30 |
| schestowitz | gn | Jul 23 01:31 |
| ThistleWeb | one laptop per corpse? | Jul 23 01:31 |
| schestowitz | hehe | Jul 23 01:31 |
| schestowitz | gn | Jul 23 01:31 |
| ThistleWeb | o/ | Jul 23 01:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @rcweir broken URL | Jul 23 01:31 | |
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| DaemonFC | move criminals with Hepatitis in by the thousands | Jul 23 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | pay to clean up the mess the feds caused | Jul 23 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | continue to have rest of world wag their fingers at us for "not doing enough" | Jul 23 02:00 |
| *DaemonFC wonders if schestowitz would approve of his government moving in thousands of "refugees" with AIDS and Hepatitis to the UK who would proceed to mug him | Jul 23 02:01 | |
| DaemonFC | you can take one for the team, right? :) | Jul 23 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | it would probably be eaier to sue the federal government to recoup the costs of treating the disease outbreak they caused | Jul 23 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | than to keep absorbing it while they move more of these parasites in | Jul 23 02:02 |
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| DaemonFC | Vistabuntu | Jul 23 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/07/22/2154235/Feds-Bust-Chinese-Firms-Hybrid-Car-Data-Heist | Jul 23 02:53 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.asylum.com/2010/07/22/its-the-worlds-strongest-most-expensive-beer-inside-a-squi/ | Jul 23 02:59 |
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| DaemonFC | http://it.slashdot.org/story/10/07/22/1819239/Microsoft-Makes-Major-Shift-In-Disclosure-Policy?art_pos=8 | Jul 23 03:08 |
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| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 23 03:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] "Five Reasons You Don't Need Microsoft Office 2010" http://bit.ly/ayhuG7 | Jul 23 03:09 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/07/22/1339215/Forced-iAds-Coming-To-OS-X | Jul 23 03:22 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR's Mac isn't safe | Jul 23 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/07/22/125245/A-Windows-Phone-7-For-Every-Microsoftie | Jul 23 03:23 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot Mobile Story | A Windows Phone 7 For Every Microsoftie .::. Size~: 156.16 KB | Jul 23 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft passing out 90,000 free Windows Phone 7 phones to employees | Jul 23 03:23 |
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| cubezzz3 | of course we don't need Microsoft Office | Jul 23 03:27 |
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| cubezzz3 | ok, that is funny | Jul 23 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz3: distributing 90,000 "free" phones isn't a huge deal to them | Jul 23 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | they can declare it a "business promotional expense" | Jul 23 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | on their taxes | Jul 23 03:45 |
| cubezzz3 | I don't even own a cell phone | Jul 23 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz3: I donated my old 486 to the Salvation Army | Jul 23 03:46 |
| cubezzz3 | one less bill to worry about | Jul 23 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | and itemized it as a computer that I valued at $500 | Jul 23 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 03:46 |
| cubezzz3 | well, good for you | Jul 23 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | what can I say? | Jul 23 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | I can be a philanthropist | Jul 23 03:47 |
| cubezzz3 | the Salvation Army does a lot to help people | Jul 23 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 23 03:47 |
| cubezzz3 | I give them some money each year | Jul 23 03:47 |
| cubezzz3 | and I doubt you wanted to keep the 486 | Jul 23 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Jul 23 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | better to use it as a tax deduction | Jul 23 03:48 |
| cubezzz3 | I wanted a box for FreeDos, so I keep mine | Jul 23 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | the last time I booted up FreeDOS it was to flash a BIOS | Jul 23 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | when I didn't have a copy of Windows handy | Jul 23 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | there's a couple corner cases where FreeDOS is useful | Jul 23 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz3: People aren't giving Mandriva enough credit | Jul 23 03:51 |
| Atlas2070 | I own a licenced MS-DOS 6.22 | Jul 23 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | KDE was useless to me until Mandriva put out those Pulseaudio/Phonon integration patches | Jul 23 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | oddly enough I never had these audio device problems out of KDE 3 and aRts | Jul 23 03:52 |
| Atlas2070 | MS-DOS > Free-DOS | Jul 23 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | Atlas2070: You could get a licensed copy of Windows 3.1 under some circumstances up until 2008 | Jul 23 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 23 03:53 |
| Atlas2070 | I have windows for workgroups 3.11 | Jul 23 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | FreeDOS is in fact superior to MS-DOS | Jul 23 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | as far as DOS environments go | Jul 23 03:54 |
| Atlas2070 | did they get windows working on it | Jul 23 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | obviously maintaining MS-DOS compatibility constrains you quite a bit | Jul 23 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Jul 23 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | you can boot Windows 3.11 and earlier on FreeDOS | Jul 23 03:55 |
| Atlas2070 | I actually got them for sending someone a gmail invite | Jul 23 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 95 will fail to boot on anything other than MS-DOS 7 | Jul 23 03:56 |
| Atlas2070 | back in the day you could trade invites for physical things on some trading sites | Jul 23 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | I actually really really liked Windows 95 | Jul 23 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 98 completely ruined it though | Jul 23 03:56 |
| Atlas2070 | they are bloated and slow | Jul 23 03:57 |
| cubezzz3 | well I still play some dos games now and then | Jul 23 03:57 |
| cubezzz3 | plus there was the challenge of running Linux on a 16 meg box | Jul 23 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | I liked 95, 2000, XP x64, and Windows 7 is passable | Jul 23 03:57 |
| Atlas2070 | http://www.calmira.de/screenshots/chris_p2.htm | Jul 23 03:57 |
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| Atlas2070 | win3.11 | Jul 23 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | NT 4, 98, Me, XP, and Vista just suck | Jul 23 03:58 |
| cubezzz3 | nooo, not that :) | Jul 23 03:58 |
| Atlas2070 | way better | Jul 23 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | you can use Calmira II on WIndows 98 | Jul 23 03:58 |
| cubezzz3 | well... | Jul 23 03:58 |
| cubezzz3 | I wanted to go FOSS ages ago | Jul 23 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | I compiled a Win32 version of it | Jul 23 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | to use on Windows 98 | Jul 23 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | to get around that horrible leaky Internet Explorer webby desktop shell | Jul 23 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | 32-bit Calmira II actually uses less resources than Explorer 95 did | Jul 23 04:00 |
| cubezzz3 | my over-riding criteria is can I get the source | Jul 23 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | I used Blackbox for Windows | Jul 23 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | on XP | Jul 23 04:01 |
| cubezzz3 | but even before I try to get the source, I try to find the simplest lowest memory using program I can find | Jul 23 04:01 |
| cubezzz3 | if it does what I want, I'm done | Jul 23 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | within reason anyway | Jul 23 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | there's quite a bit of FOSS that is full of bug and bloated as all hell | Jul 23 04:03 |
| cubezzz3 | no doubt | Jul 23 04:03 |
| cubezzz3 | that's why I like to write code myself | Jul 23 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | but generally, doing a rush job full of useless features intentionally is the norm of proprietary software | Jul 23 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | so it's the exception, not the rule on FOSS | Jul 23 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | but there are instances where it turns out that way :P | Jul 23 04:04 |
| cubezzz3 | I can even do ssl on links in text mode | Jul 23 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | every version of Windows is full of crap that I wonder what human being could have possibly asked for | Jul 23 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | you just don't find yourself asking that a lot in the interface of KDE or GNOME | Jul 23 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | if it's there, it's useful to at least someone | Jul 23 04:05 |
| cubezzz3 | some of the Loki stuff is very good, but I don't have source for it | Jul 23 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | things exist in Windows just to make it look like it's progressing | Jul 23 04:05 |
| cubezzz3 | that's just the way it is, I didn't know anyone in authority at Loki | Jul 23 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | well, there's a lot of leftover Loki stuff out there | Jul 23 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | they didn't just go under | Jul 23 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | they sold a lot of assets in bankruptcy | Jul 23 04:06 |
| cubezzz3 | no, it was quite a long time ago | Jul 23 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | ATI Catalyst still uses a Loki installer | Jul 23 04:06 |
| Atlas2070 | lol | Jul 23 04:07 |
| cubezzz3 | so does LGP | Jul 23 04:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @rcweir: "Five Reasons You Don't Need Microsoft Office 2010" http://bit.ly/ayhuG7 | Jul 23 04:07 | |
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| cubezzz3 | well's it's updated of course | Jul 23 04:07 |
| cubezzz3 | I still play rt2 | Jul 23 04:07 |
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| cubezzz3 | I might even be able to do internet banking on the 486 | Jul 23 04:09 |
| cubezzz3 | I think I can do gmail | Jul 23 04:10 |
| cubezzz3 | trying it now | Jul 23 04:10 |
| cubezzz3 | it looks like crap but it works | Jul 23 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | there's probably a POP3 client you can use | Jul 23 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | I do like Kmail :) | Jul 23 04:12 |
| cubezzz3 | ahhh, no way | Jul 23 04:12 |
| cubezzz3 | too big and fat | Jul 23 04:12 |
| cubezzz3 | mutt | Jul 23 04:12 |
| cubezzz3 | I can just ssh into the main server | Jul 23 04:12 |
| cubezzz3 | from the 486 | Jul 23 04:12 |
| cubezzz3 | if I wanted to check my emails on the 486 | Jul 23 04:13 |
| cubezzz3 | so much nicer to just update when you want | Jul 23 04:16 |
| cubezzz3 | rather than dumping everything and putting X+1 version on | Jul 23 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | BP is trying to bribe a lot of Indiana politicians | Jul 23 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | who are sending the checks back :P | Jul 23 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, cashing that check would do 100 times the PR damage it's worth | Jul 23 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 04:17 |
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| DaemonFC | what really pisses me off are those parents who pray for their kids and don't let them get medical treatment | Jul 23 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | then the kid dies and the parents not only don't go to jail, they're allowed to reproduce again | Jul 23 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | you want to be an idiot and hurt yourself, more power to you | Jul 23 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | but you just know those people wouldn't stand around and "pray" and let themselves die of treatable illness | Jul 23 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | then there's the idiots that go to those faith healers, then there's a few cases where the cancer goes into remission (like cancer tends to do all by itself sometimes) | Jul 23 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | but it must have been God! | Jul 23 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | then you can't ever shut the people up that "witnessed a miracle" | Jul 23 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | "Oh my god, Jeb Bush is running for president with the slogan 'I'm gonna finish what my brother started'....at least the comedy recession is over" -David Letterman | Jul 23 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 23 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Jul 23 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | David Letterman's guest tonight is Joan Rivers B-) | Jul 23 04:51 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The copyright cops - http://bit.ly/aCrsMK good piece on ridiculous situation: "effectively a legalised cartel" (via @AngryAtkin) #copyright | Jul 23 07:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Twitter Translate - http://bit.ly/bZIuTd hadn't seen this before: "Translators receive a special badge on their Twitter page" #translation | Jul 23 07:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @nikhilnarayanan: A Sreedhara Menon is no more. Owe him much. Though repetitive at some points, his books on Kerala history are a treasur | Jul 23 07:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Australian government blocks out 90% of document on web-spying plans - http://bit.ly/bTt29X could cause "premature unnecessary debate" #au | Jul 23 07:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Inside Facebook's Open Source Infrastructure - http://bit.ly/9lIfnq not news, but has useful details #facebook #opensource | Jul 23 07:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @rcweir: "Five Reasons You Don't Need Microsoft Office 2010" http://bit.ly/ayhuG7 | Jul 23 07:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] WordPress vs. Thesis: The battle is over - http://bit.ly/aTqS1E GPL wins; kudos to all, especially @photomatt for drawing a line in the sand | Jul 23 07:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @mrhinkle My cab driver just told me he was an Ubuntu user and loved free software, he even knew what FLOSS was very cool. #opensource | Jul 23 07:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Facebook Wants to Own All Your Social Graphs, Not Just One - http://bit.ly/c4awv7 so, Facebook is the new Google, huh? #facebook | Jul 23 08:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Newspaper Chainโs New Business Plan: Copyright Suits - http://bit.ly/atgpBy because that worked so well for recording industry #copyright | Jul 23 08:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] โบ @glynmoody: WordPress vs Thesis Battle is over http://bit.ly/aTqS1E GPL wins kudos to all especially @photomatt for drawing line in sand | Jul 23 08:18 | |
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| schestowitz | Hehe: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/f562d15c38dea67a/739d74cfc87df568 | Jul 23 08:23 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody RT @mrhinkle My cab driver just told me he was an Ubuntu user and loved free software, he even knew what FLOSS was very cool. | Jul 23 08:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] pic of the week: Last Folio - http://bit.ly/9aTkAZ Tarkovsky would have loved it #pix #melancholy | Jul 23 08:30 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itworld.com/tech-amp-society/114593/are-days-books-numbered | Jul 23 08:39 |
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| schestowitz | Probably | Jul 23 08:39 |
| schestowitz | Some people still argue against this argument | Jul 23 08:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] World Music on Radio 3 - Current Programmes and Archive - http://bit.ly/d04tC7 "ten years of Radio 3 on-location recordings": nice stuff | Jul 23 08:42 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/Motorola-s-eFuse-Security-System-Bricks-Hacked-Android-Phones | Jul 23 08:45 |
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| schestowitz | So has Motorola changed this back yet or not? | Jul 23 08:45 |
| schestowitz | The ./ post said something, didn't read it carefully though... | Jul 23 08:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/spend_challenge_ideas_2.htm | Jul 23 08:46 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] An article I wrote on building community, originally published in Linux Format - http://is.gd/dD5Du #community | Jul 23 08:47 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Ubuntu One iPhone client source released - http://is.gd/dD5Q7 #ubuntu | Jul 23 08:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Laura rocking the Geeknic's again - organize one near you - http://is.gd/dD5Ut #community | Jul 23 08:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Final day of the sprint here in Prague. It has been a busy but fun week. I am proud to have such an awesome team. :-) | Jul 23 08:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] LUG@IITD -"FOSS User Group of NCR" has 1032 subscription. I think this should be under TOP 3 in India. | Jul 23 09:06 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.webupd8.org/2010/07/vlc-default-in-kubuntu-1010-maverick.html | Jul 23 09:07 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm.... Ubuntu/Canonical develops for WIndows and Apple platforms now? | Jul 23 09:08 |
| schestowitz | How about writing some patches for Linux? | Jul 23 09:08 |
| Joeh | schestowitz: Money? :p | Jul 23 09:08 |
| schestowitz | Joeh: no, thanks | Jul 23 09:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon careful not to spend too much of Canonical's dev time (+money) developing for Windows/IOS/OS X | Jul 23 09:10 | |
| Joeh | I mean, perhaps they want money? They are a business afterall aren't they? | Jul 23 09:11 |
| MinceR | right, and since all businesses are "equally evil" (according to m$), earning money means doing evil things. | Jul 23 09:12 |
| Joeh | MinceR: I wouldn't equate "Writing Software for Windows/Apple" to evil.... | Jul 23 09:12 |
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| schestowitz | I could sell myself for sex in some street corner for money, I choose not to | Jul 23 09:12 |
| schestowitz | Or as Groklaw once put it (re Novell), "I could sell my mom's blood for money" | Jul 23 09:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/UK-Gov-to-switch-entirely-to-FOSS-1036574.html | Jul 23 09:17 |
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| schestowitz | Sadly, they do it due to money | Jul 23 09:17 |
| schestowitz | Not freedom, which they don't comprehend | Jul 23 09:18 |
| schestowitz | "You have the freedom to remain silent.." | Jul 23 09:18 |
| schestowitz | How to get infected: http://www.techdrivein.com/2010/07/install-new-banshee-173-in-ubuntu-1004.html | Jul 23 09:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/new?replyto=openuniverse&inreplyto=43154911 "it's better WITHOUT windows?" | Jul 23 09:24 |
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| schestowitz | "You mean the suse one? It is owned by Novell?" http://identi.ca/conversation/42792818#notice-43155308 | Jul 23 09:24 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. Some people don't know Novell has trademarks on SUSE | Jul 23 09:25 |
| MinceR | IOS is fiasco system's crappy router os though :> | Jul 23 09:25 |
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE devs can probably escape the covenant which says they will be "safe" as long as they don't make money if they rename | Jul 23 09:26 |
| schestowitz | IANAL | Jul 23 09:26 |
| schestowitz | Novell says that OpenSUSE is OK as long as you don't make money from it | Jul 23 09:26 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: how does Apple spell it? | Jul 23 09:27 |
| schestowitz | iOS? | Jul 23 09:27 |
| Joeh | iOS 4 is horrible. | Jul 23 09:27 |
| schestowitz | iDiot OS | Jul 23 09:27 |
| Joeh | Basically made my 3GS useless. Glad I had already bought an Android handset by then. | Jul 23 09:27 |
| schestowitz | At least it has added copy and paste at some stage | Jul 23 09:27 |
| schestowitz | Unlike Vista Phone 7 | Jul 23 09:27 |
| Joeh | The "multi-tasting" support is terrible. | Jul 23 09:27 |
| Joeh | tasking | Jul 23 09:28 |
| Joeh | schestowitz: Not until 3.0 was it? | Jul 23 09:28 |
| Joeh | Or was it 2.0... Can't remember. | Jul 23 09:28 |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/281617 "nooo, he's the best thing that ever happened to the it industry since unix and gnu! STAY THE COURSE! rt @schestowitz Steve Ballmer at Risk of Being Thrown Out" | Jul 23 09:29 |
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| schestowitz | Apple banned an app called openClip or something | Jul 23 09:29 |
| schestowitz | Pasting ws banned... until Apple implemented it | Jul 23 09:29 |
| Joeh | oh. Apple's app policy is terrible. | Jul 23 09:29 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/43156418 | Jul 23 09:29 |
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| schestowitz | Well done to WP | Jul 23 09:30 |
| Joeh | WHich I think is the reason MSFT chose for XNA Indie games to be peer reviewed, to avoid the same issues. | Jul 23 09:30 |
| schestowitz | Defending the GPL | Jul 23 09:30 |
| schestowitz | For freedom, not price | Jul 23 09:30 |
| MinceR | yes, lowercase i | Jul 23 09:30 |
| Joeh | schestowitz: I thought the GPL was pretty clear that you are free to charge money? | Jul 23 09:31 |
| MinceR | well, the "multitasking" in hypeOS is not multitasking | Jul 23 09:32 |
| Joeh | I was always under the impression, and I'm sure you can correct me. That open did not neccesarily mean free. | Jul 23 09:32 |
| MinceR | if it were, m$-dos and PalmOS5 would be multitasking OS-es too | Jul 23 09:32 |
| Joeh | I thought they were distinct concepts. | Jul 23 09:32 |
| MinceR | and yes, you can charge money for GPL-ed software, but market forces will likely reduce the price to 0 in most cases | Jul 23 09:32 |
| MinceR | (since someone who has the code and the license can give it away without having to pay anyone else) | Jul 23 09:33 |
| MinceR | (i guess this is mostly dependent on practice though) | Jul 23 09:33 |
| Joeh | But I'm assuming, for instance, I could say GPL a library for a game (Say Physics) and then charge for the game? | Jul 23 09:33 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: round robin ain't multitasking either | Jul 23 09:34 |
| schestowitz | You need multi-threading with cores assigned | Jul 23 09:34 |
| MinceR | not necessarily | Jul 23 09:34 |
| schestowitz | But all is in RAM at the same time | Jul 23 09:34 |
| schestowitz | So technically you have the programs loaded at the same time | Jul 23 09:34 |
| Joeh | Why can't you page a sleeping thread to disk schestowitz? | Jul 23 09:35 |
| Joeh | That would still be multitasking... | Jul 23 09:35 |
| *schestowitz waits for Joeh to promote BSD-\style licences | Jul 23 09:35 | |
| MinceR | bot saving app state and exiting it is not multitasking and is not new; requiring an extra API for "background tasks" is like TSRs that hook timer and/or sound card interrupts in m$-dos and similar hooks in PalmOS5 | Jul 23 09:35 |
| Joeh | schestowitz: Do I like GPL? No, I don't. LGPL? Sure. BSD? Sure. | Jul 23 09:35 |
| MinceR | not surprising | Jul 23 09:35 |
| MinceR | m$ doesn't get to steal GPL so they hate it. | Jul 23 09:36 |
| schestowitz | Germophobia (vviral GPL) | Jul 23 09:36 |
| Joeh | It depends on the app though, I am not fundamentally against GPL. I think it should be up to the author. | Jul 23 09:36 |
| MinceR | as it always is | Jul 23 09:36 |
| schestowitz | Most devs choose GPL | Jul 23 09:36 |
| Joeh | I think something like the Linux kernel makes a lot of sense as GPLed project. | Jul 23 09:36 |
| Joeh | A game? Not so much. | Jul 23 09:37 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure how something that only affects derivative works is "viral" | Jul 23 09:37 |
| schestowitz | It's not | Jul 23 09:37 |
| schestowitz | Hypocrisy | Jul 23 09:37 |
| Joeh | MinceR: The fact that if you link against it, the code you were linking is now under the GPL | Jul 23 09:37 |
| Joeh | That's right, right? :p | Jul 23 09:37 |
| MinceR | linking is making a derivative work | Jul 23 09:37 |
| MinceR | you use code from the headers, for instance | Jul 23 09:38 |
| MinceR | if it weren't, the LGPL and the GPL could not differ | Jul 23 09:38 |
| Joeh | MinceR: Well, I'd still argue that's a stretch and somewhat viral. | Jul 23 09:38 |
| Joeh | LGPL on the other hand | Jul 23 09:38 |
| schestowitz | No blod | Jul 23 09:38 |
| Joeh | much better :) | Jul 23 09:38 |
| schestowitz | *bold | Jul 23 09:38 |
| MinceR | since you can't write binding terms in a license that affects works that have nothing to do with your licensed work | Jul 23 09:38 |
| Joeh | Sorry, accident. | Jul 23 09:38 |
| MinceR | i can't say in my sw license that "also, nobody has permission to use any m$ products" | Jul 23 09:38 |
| MinceR | it won't be binding :> | Jul 23 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Just take from Plurk | Jul 23 09:39 |
| MinceR | Joeh: if you think it's a stretch then use a GPL library in a non-GPL work and defend your opinion in court. | Jul 23 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Sure, it's illegal, but at least no "viral" :-) | Jul 23 09:39 |
| Joeh | Well MinceR. We can argue over the semantics all day. GPL is perceived by a lot of people as Viral. But as I say, it depends on the project | Jul 23 09:39 |
| Joeh | a full app might make perfect sense under GPL, as the likelihood is any reuse of the code is going to be major | Jul 23 09:40 |
| Joeh | Libraries make more sense as LGPL imho | Jul 23 09:40 |
| MinceR | yes, it's perceived by a lot of people who try hard to make up things to insult it because they prefer to steal code legally, at no charge. | Jul 23 09:40 |
| Joeh | LGPL prevents "stealing" code I'd argue. | Jul 23 09:41 |
| MinceR | such as people who fail so hard at OS development that they couldn't even code a TCP/IP stack. | Jul 23 09:41 |
| Joeh | You are required to contribute any changes to that code back to the community right? | Jul 23 09:41 |
| Joeh | But not the rest of your app | Jul 23 09:41 |
| MinceR | and people who couldn't even code a kernel, so they stole Mach, FreeBSD and parts of KDE and put a Fisher Price GUI on top. | Jul 23 09:41 |
| Joeh | I'm not going to defend or comment on things which happened when I was at school :p | Jul 23 09:42 |
| MinceR | LGPL on something that's only technically a library but part of a larger work would allow it to be stolen and hidden behind proprietary code | Jul 23 09:42 |
| MinceR | it's a question of what the "library" is intended to be | Jul 23 09:42 |
| Joeh | MinceR: Well, that would be a violation of the license right? | Jul 23 09:42 |
| MinceR | not necessarily | Jul 23 09:43 |
| MinceR | bbl | Jul 23 09:43 |
| Joeh | I could do the same thing GPL code, use it and not fess up. Whether people honour the license is something altogether different to the license itself. | Jul 23 09:43 |
| Joeh | Ok :) | Jul 23 09:43 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The background to the Gray and Hilton libel case - http://bit.ly/a5wJJb important case for blogging in the UK #libel #blogging | Jul 23 10:18 | |
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| Joeh | ZBR on my project today :D | Jul 23 10:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Video: #Vista7 From a #GNU #Linux Userโs Point of View http://ur1.ca/0tko0 #bsdvista #windows7sins | Jul 23 10:35 | |
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| oiaohm | Really who would replace Ballmer | Jul 23 10:37 |
| oiaohm | You would have to be prity mad to want Ballmer job | Jul 23 10:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links: Many New Releases of #GNU #Linux , More #Tablets http://ur1.ca/0tkp4 I hope the new links/site format is OK | Jul 23 10:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Welcome to the Troll Economy - http://bit.ly/aWyr5y why that's great news #trolls #intellectualmonopolies | Jul 23 10:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links: ForgeRock's First Post, Firefox 4, LpOD 0.9.2... http://ur1.ca/0tkup #FreeSoftware #opensource #fs | Jul 23 11:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] An Uncommon Commons in Linz - http://bit.ly/acNDCG does everything except cure the common cold #commons #opendata #opencourseware #at | Jul 23 11:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] RT @openrightsgroup Last day to buy last tickets for #ORGCon with @doctorow @tom_watson, James Boyle - book now! http://bit.ly/orgcon #DEAct | Jul 23 11:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Barry Sookman Works For The Canadian Recording Industry Association http://bit.ly/b3kbau | Jul 23 11:18 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] [NL] www.nieuwemoskee.nl. De volgende Islamitische bodemloze put. Moet ik daar als autochtone Nederlandse Homo belasting voor betalen? | Jul 23 11:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft โWorksโ in Techrights http://ur1.ca/0tl6d New visitor from Microsoft in one of the IRC channels of Techrights | Jul 23 12:06 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Dell-replacement-motherboards-contained-malware-Update-1043840.html Opps | Jul 23 12:18 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Russia Keeps Working on #GNU #Linux (and Fighting Against #Microsoft Corruption) http://ur1.ca/0tlde #ALTLinux and #ASPLinux still alive | Jul 23 12:44 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/42892944#notice-43189061 "Can you really call Android GNU/Linux as it uses a BSD licenced libc? I'd call it, plain and simple, Linux." | Jul 23 12:46 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, I usually just call it "Linux" or "Linux-based" | Jul 23 12:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Move Commons: Moving Beyond Creative Commons - http://bit.ly/c4gCgw clever use of CC principles to express core principles #ngos #cc #gpl | Jul 23 12:48 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] my bus driver looks like Ron Paul! lol | Jul 23 12:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Companies and Intellectual Properties Registration Office (CIPRO) Helps Microsoftโs Monopoly http://ur1.ca/0tlg5 #cipro #fail | Jul 23 13:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Microsoft licenses ARM architecture - http://bit.ly/a0ZbpY amazed it took them this long #microsoft #arm #intel | Jul 23 13:01 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Just like the Internet โบ @glynmoody: #Microsoft licenses #ARM architecture - http://bit.ly/a0ZbpY amazed it took them this long #intel | Jul 23 13:15 | |
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| schestowitz | "The 3 part link headline is good, it avoids very short link collections and more than 3 makes it an effort to browse through." http://twitter.com/TenPhil/statuses/19332154642 | Jul 23 13:29 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks & Valerie Plame on SCPR (recording) http://bit.ly/cL14W6 | Jul 23 13:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Roundup: Identifying Real Patent Foes and Conflicts of Interests http://ur1.ca/0tlpq #swpats | Jul 23 13:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @mrhinkle My cab driver just told me he was an Ubuntu user and loved free software, he even knew what FLOSS was very cool | Jul 23 13:55 | |
| schestowitz | re Russia: "So the corrupt regime is fighting against the corrupt company? Take MS anyday---they haven't killed anyone yet :)" http://identi.ca/conversation/42897095#notice-43204362 | Jul 23 14:10 |
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| schestowitz | It has actually | Jul 23 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Failing systems | Jul 23 14:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] Skenazy's meme comes to outermost Sussex. #freerangekids http://twitpic.com/27v1fb | Jul 23 14:11 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Hides Security Flaws, Then Brags About Transparency http://ur1.ca/0tlwb #Security news from #Microsoft | Jul 23 14:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Whole industries exist to sell stuff to cover the holes, besides it'd bankrupt them, so you can understand why http://tinyurl.com/29falqv | Jul 23 14:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Top earning Tory: ban protests to save money - http://bit.ly/dd7fAY or we could dump Trident... (via @PoliceStateUK) #liberty | Jul 23 14:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] โบ @codebits: here we go - http://codebits.eu/ | Jul 23 15:01 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Who You Gonna Call? Q&A With Software Freedom Law Center's Eben Moglen - http://bit.ly/b6SazW useful background info #moglen #sflc | Jul 23 15:10 | |
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| oiaohm | The too open line arguement to GPL people I first saw from a freebsd person in 1992. schestowitz | Jul 23 15:10 |
| oiaohm | Ie What do you gpl people think bsd is too open. | Jul 23 15:11 |
| oiaohm | Its a really old line. | Jul 23 15:11 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I found the Dell cockup news earlier today | Jul 23 15:11 |
| schestowitz | It's in my latest post | Jul 23 15:11 |
| schestowitz | New Scientist | Jul 23 15:11 |
| oiaohm | Sad part I have a few of those to clean up under support contracts. | Jul 23 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Who You Gonna Call [to clean Microsoft mess]? oiaohm | Jul 23 15:15 |
| oiaohm | I am hoping to start killing off MS over next year. | Jul 23 15:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Peer 2 Peer University Call for Courses - http://bit.ly/dBwFoQ "gearing up to launch 3rd cycle of courses: have an idea?" (via @remixtures ) | Jul 23 15:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Labour must repent on civil liberties - http://bit.ly/aRbiVA and how; good analysis (via @PoliceStateUK) #uk #politics #liberty | Jul 23 16:01 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Flipboard Wades Into Murky Copyright Waters Google Lives In - http://bit.ly/aBqNbh no: this is the ocean of abundance #copyright #flipboard | Jul 23 16:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] I liked the way it was told - 'i don't wanna fail at any account' now going to bhopal for meeting my princess | Jul 23 16:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell continues to show that it doesnโt care about #OpenSUSE ; instead, itโs focused on marketing #FogComputing http://ur1.ca/0tmr9 | Jul 23 16:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] At etoy tanks in ZRH. #inspiring | Jul 23 16:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] GENIVI goes with MeeGo - http://bit.ly/ces048 for its "In-Vehicle Infotainment reference platform" no less; yuk #meego #genivi #linux | Jul 23 16:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Perl Creator Hints at Imminent Perl 6 Release - http://bit.ly/bXeWGl but is the world worthy - or even ready? #perl6 #larrywall | Jul 23 16:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] No need for net neutrality action, says UK regulator - http://bit.ly/a5YVA9 probably better to adopt the cautious approach #netneutrality | Jul 23 16:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] โบ @remixtures: Liked "Patentes atentam contra disponibilidade de remรฉdios" http://ff.im/-o9QEs | Jul 23 16:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Outsources Staff, Other Staff Lands in Other Companies http://ur1.ca/0tn1h A quick look at Novell's workforce #acs #turbolinux | Jul 23 16:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Silicos NV releases proprietary computational chemistry software as open source - http://bit.ly/aVfzp4 nice, GPL #chemistry #be | Jul 23 16:54 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Rona Ambrose Wants To Take Action On Honor Killings http://bit.ly/cpJ0zx | Jul 23 17:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] My Hungarian phrase book has arrived. This is not going to be easy. Perhaps not even possible. #ooocon | Jul 23 17:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft, ARM, and #Linux Tax on Devices http://ur1.ca/0tn86 #Microsoft is trying to break Linux' near-monopoly in #ARM | #swpats | Jul 23 17:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Como Portugal :( โบ @JMF1957: France introduced new law to protect its flag from insult after photo of man wiping bottom http://is.gd/dDvwl | Jul 23 17:22 | |
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| DaemonFC | KWin is kind of twitchy if you don't check "Disable functionality checks" :P | Jul 23 17:33 |
| Ziomatrix | lol France should just man up, the US has as its flag provides the most warmth around the world ;-) Its also patriotic to burn a torn or damaged American flag, it must be folded first though | Jul 23 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | Ziomatrix: The first "flag burning ban" bill that the Republicans tried to ram through Congress right after 9/11 was so overly broad that it would have banned the Constitutionally-prescribed way of disposing of a damaged flag | Jul 23 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | I found that amusing | Jul 23 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | the VFW didn't :P | Jul 23 17:35 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: it shows how much certain politicians know about the country they swore to serve | Jul 23 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | either way, the courts would have struck the law down on First Amendment grounds | Jul 23 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | after the Justice Department would have spent millions of dollars trying to defend it | Jul 23 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | the DOJ and the President are constitutionally obligated to defend every statute on the federal code | Jul 23 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | no matter how pointless and unproductive it may be | Jul 23 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | that's why Obama and the DOJ have to "defend" DOMA | Jul 23 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | for example | Jul 23 17:38 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: and its that flexibility along with liberty that has preserved the US Federal Republic (bar the Civil War) while France had to go through 5 | Jul 23 17:38 |
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| DaemonFC | even though they would like to strike it, they are obligated in their role in government to defend it | Jul 23 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | well, if the President was allowed to only defend the laws he liked, then there would be much less stability of the system | Jul 23 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | that also means you could get a Bush-type character in there defending whatever he likes | Jul 23 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | and ignoring all else | Jul 23 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | or so goes the theory | Jul 23 17:39 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: DOMA can still be struck down if a majority of states pass legislation that overrides it after an Appellate discussion, the House of Reps amends or removes it and then the Supreme Court gives the final ok | Jul 23 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | DOMA forbids the Feds from recognizing such a marriage | Jul 23 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | even if it were legal in all 50 states | Jul 23 17:40 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: that could still be contested, all laws could no matter how high up they are bar national security if I recall | Jul 23 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | it would have to be repealed, struck down by the federal courts, or there would have to be a constitution amendment passed that reversed it | Jul 23 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | the third won't happen | Jul 23 17:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mainstream Press Misreports #Microsoft Revenue, Misses Accounting Tricks http://ur1.ca/0tner #accountancy | Jul 23 17:41 | |
| Ziomatrix | unless whatever national security act passed is unconstitutional | Jul 23 17:41 |
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| DaemonFC | the first would be political suicide or blocked in Congress | Jul 23 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | and so the courts are the only way that's ever coming undone | Jul 23 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | the courts have historically been the grantors of civil liberties because elected politicians don't want to risk granting them statutorily | Jul 23 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 23 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | judges are appointed, not elected, and that's why | Jul 23 17:42 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: that is true which is why some feel a proactive judge is dangerous | Jul 23 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | it gives them some room to make controversial decisions without fear of being voted out of their office | Jul 23 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | in theory, it makes them more objective over the case they are presiding over | Jul 23 17:43 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: they could still be disbarred, unless they're in the Supreme Court | Jul 23 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | the Supreme Court doesn't even require you to have a legal degree of any kind | Jul 23 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | if President Obama nominated me, and the Senate approved, I could be a sitting judge on the Supreme Court :P | Jul 23 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | the Constitution is fairly silent other than the president nominates, and the senate confirms | Jul 23 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | there's no age restrictions | Jul 23 17:44 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: you just have to be approved by a majority of a Senate Judiciary Committee | Jul 23 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | and no legal background requires | Jul 23 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | *required | Jul 23 17:44 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: its kind of implied though considering the credentials of being a judge | Jul 23 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | right | Jul 23 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | but anyone could be a Supreme Court judge in theory | Jul 23 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | as long as they were nominated and confirmed | Jul 23 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | it would obviously never happen | Jul 23 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | but it's legal | Jul 23 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | I liked the Roman Empire system myself | Jul 23 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | where the Emperor could appoint and dismiss Senators at his command | Jul 23 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 23 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | one of them was pissed off at the Senate and appointed his horse | Jul 23 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | Caligula I believe | Jul 23 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incitatus | Jul 23 17:48 |
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| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: yup, he also leveled a section city (after it happened to burn one night) to create his own personal mansion for the "public good" to see. | Jul 23 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | "Incitatus was the favored horse of Roman emperor Caligula....Incitatus was named not only a citizen of Rome, but a member of the Roman senate." | Jul 23 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | "The horse would "invite" dignitaries to dine with him in a house outfitted with servants there to entertain such events." | Jul 23 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | A horse is a horse, of course of course! | Jul 23 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose the "horse inviting you to dinner" was an insult? | Jul 23 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | The Emperor is busy, but his horse cordially invites you to dine with him... | Jul 23 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 23 17:50 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: lol, at least the horse wouldn't have you hung or become a gladiator if you said anything objectionable to it | Jul 23 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | uhhhm, maybe there's other people in the room that report back anything you say to the Emperor | Jul 23 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | who has the horse make you a Gladiator | Jul 23 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 23 17:52 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: but doesn't the horse as the host and dignitary get the final say on whether the accusation their servants made are true? | Jul 23 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe the horse told Caligula that it was offended | Jul 23 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | after all, it is a Senator and a Citizen of Rome | Jul 23 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | and invites people to dinner | Jul 23 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | this is obviously an accomplished horse | Jul 23 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | Notice: This is an offical update which is supported by Mandriva. | Jul 23 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | This package contains a new version that was backported. | Jul 23 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | It is not supported by Mandriva. | Jul 23 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 23 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | The spoon can be bent | Jul 23 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | but there is no spoon | Jul 23 17:55 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: what are you installing? | Jul 23 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | a security update for iputils | Jul 23 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | Reason for update: Ovidiu Mara reported a vulnerability in ping.c (iputils) that could cause ping to hang when responding to a malicious echo reply (CVE-2010-2529). The updated packages have been patched to correct these issues. | Jul 23 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | shouldn't your firewall intercept an echo request and block it? | Jul 23 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | typically? | Jul 23 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | oh well | Jul 23 17:58 |
| *DaemonFC accepts the patch | Jul 23 17:58 | |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: does the program automatically create exceptions or is that a Windows only feature? | Jul 23 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Jul 23 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | you mean like in Windows where the invading malware just shuts off the "firewall"? | Jul 23 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 23 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | shut off the firewall...check | Jul 23 17:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #SCO is Like a Patent Troll http://techrights.org/2010/07/23/sco-the-toll-troll/ | Jul 23 17:59 | |
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| DaemonFC | Hijack Norton...check | Jul 23 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | Disable Windows Updates...check | Jul 23 17:59 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: well that could be, or it just creates a port open exception within the firewall settings disguised as a legit program | Jul 23 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | Kill Windows Defender...pointless, but what the hell? | Jul 23 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | check | Jul 23 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | install rootkit...check | Jul 23 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | let user continue to keep his broadband connection, but use it to spew spam and copies of self when he leaves the room...check | Jul 23 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | Steve Ballmer: "Well, people should be taxed by governments and ISPs that have to deal with this" | Jul 23 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | In a sane world, ISPs and governments would sue Microsoft to recoup the damages that their platform made possible | Jul 23 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | I'd try to make my case that "Microsoft has been indifferent to the problems caused by their software because up until now, they've never had to clean up the messes it makes" | Jul 23 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 18:04 |
| MinceR | in a sane world, there would be no microsoft | Jul 23 18:04 |
| MinceR | their existence is an anomaly | Jul 23 18:04 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: you mean like how ISPs and the governmental laws should not be designed to exclusively protect private profit making entities from certain rights and the public? | Jul 23 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | well, the government left a freeway bridge in Minnesota in disrepair for years | Jul 23 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | it finally collapsed, killing people, injuring people, and causing millions of dollars in property damage | Jul 23 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | who got sued? the government | Jul 23 18:06 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: MS owes its existence to a few seeing the potential profit in licensing exclusivity and patenting valuable features which the rest of the development community saw at the was healthy to freely share but never protected it. | Jul 23 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | Why should Microsoft get off the hook when in this cause they provide the "defective and unmaintained bridge" that collapses now and then causing millions of dollars in property damage? | Jul 23 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 23 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | *case | Jul 23 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | pretty much anyone can be sued for creating and maintaining a public safety hazard (or in some cases, a mere public nuisance) | Jul 23 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | but Microsoft directs so much bribe money at the people making laws, that they are effectively immune | Jul 23 18:09 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: they are not getting off the hook, the taxpayers are paying to have it renovated. | Jul 23 18:09 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: go to sleep America, your government is in control. Just give us what you earn so we can hand to those who are close enough to tell us they need it most | Jul 23 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | well, on top of having an entire antivirus industry that's totally ineffective but thriving on the carnage Windows creates, the damage that you see done by Windows defects is just what's left | Jul 23 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | Ziomatrix: Most antivirus companies are not American companies | Jul 23 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | you notice that? | Jul 23 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | some of the more popular ones are actually European companies | Jul 23 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | Avast - Czech republic | Jul 23 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | AVG - Czech republic | Jul 23 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft Security Essentials -no doubt farmed to China and India | Jul 23 18:12 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: but the largest are still in the US, Symantec and McAfee. Its just that the American market has been so cornered by them that more affordable competition with headway being bundled into hardware can only pop up abroad | Jul 23 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | Avira is in Germany | Jul 23 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | no matter what you choose for your "security" software, you're still choosing "protection" from a foreign company's proprietary software | Jul 23 18:13 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: sure they probably outsourced their development, but the HQ and money still flows into the US | Jul 23 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | which is just incredibly frightening | Jul 23 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | and you're not supporting the US economy when you buy it | Jul 23 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | even if it's an American company in name | Jul 23 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 18:13 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: you are, through imports and big box retailers ;) | Jul 23 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | so by extension, buying antivirus software is un-American | Jul 23 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 23 18:14 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: in that fashion, buying Windows is un-America :-. | Jul 23 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | I'm kind of freaked out that people install foriegn proprietary software, willingly, which rootkits their whole system to supposedly "protect against data theft and other crap" | Jul 23 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | which makes AES-encrypted connections to the servers of these foreign companies | Jul 23 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | and sends and receives god only knows what | Jul 23 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | how do you trust antivirus more than the virus? :P | Jul 23 18:16 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: because they sell it to those who aren't overtly organized crime or racketeers? | Jul 23 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | I mean aside from the fact that you just sent the foreign company the license fee | Jul 23 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | possibly | Jul 23 18:16 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah all this proprietary stuff comeong from US corps, being foisted on the rest of us | Jul 23 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | the antivirus software is almost as bad as the malware it's keeping out of your system | Jul 23 18:17 |
| ThistleWeb | I know exactyl what ya mean | Jul 23 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | and it's not doing that to protect you | Jul 23 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's to keep competitors out | Jul 23 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 23 18:17 |
| ThistleWeb | where our govt infrastructure is reliant on a US corp | Jul 23 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | why do you think they pay their staff salaries to give their software out for free? | Jul 23 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | they're making money off the data they steal from you | Jul 23 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | obviously | Jul 23 18:18 |
| ThistleWeb | the same definition of "steal" that the RIAA use, obviously | Jul 23 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft's privacy policy is intentionally dishonest in a way almost as bad | Jul 23 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | "No personal information sent will be used to identify or contact you" | Jul 23 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | It doesn't say no personal info is sent | Jul 23 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | or that the government can't make them fork it over | Jul 23 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | or that a rogue employee won't steal and sell it | Jul 23 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | it's a pretty vague policy that leaves a lot of room for abuse | Jul 23 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | but sounds comforting | Jul 23 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | Consider this: IE crashes, it sends the crash data to Microsoft, right? | Jul 23 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | there's millions of IE users out there | Jul 23 18:21 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: Apple does the same thing for most of its software, so does Mozilla. But they are completely voluntary. | Jul 23 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | if 0.1% of them were in a session with their online bank, and 0.1% of them were transmitting their login credentials when the crash dump was taken | Jul 23 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | you still have the personal bank account info of thousands of people | Jul 23 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | and that info is worth a lot to criminal organizations | Jul 23 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | can Microsoft assure you that this data will never be stolen and misused? | Jul 23 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | of course not | Jul 23 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | and even that is giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming it being stolen is the only way the data they take can be misused | Jul 23 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | they've been found in violation of their own privacy policies many times | Jul 23 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | there's never and cost to them of violating their policy | Jul 23 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | once they get noticed, they change the policy to reflect what they've always done | Jul 23 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | *any | Jul 23 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | no punishment = no incentive to keep your promises | Jul 23 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Sadly, what Peer To Patent seems to be doing is in some ways making software patents stronger | Jul 23 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | if the government assessed fines of $1,000 for every affected customer if Microsoft broke the agreement, Microsoft would put out an agreement that states what they do | Jul 23 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | and they'd do what they stated | Jul 23 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | but there's no penalties for lying to the customer | Jul 23 18:26 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: there is once its in court and under oath though | Jul 23 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | oath or affirmation | Jul 23 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | which either one does serve a practical purpose | Jul 23 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | with all due respect to Carlin | Jul 23 18:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @carlopiana #peerpatent, however deserving high praise, is a colossal waste of time when examines #swpats, which shouldn't exist | Jul 23 18:27 | |
| DaemonFC | it's to enable charges of perjury if you're found to have lied | Jul 23 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | if there was no verbal agreement to tell the truth, there would be no crime of perjury | Jul 23 18:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @fabsh Wow.... Even Steve Gibson has figured out that software patents are bad! #swpat > passion of the patent troll | Jul 23 18:28 | |
| DaemonFC | so what if I go in there, and lie my ass off about the defendent, and he goes to prison | Jul 23 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | then 5 years from now, it's uncovered that I was lying about everything | Jul 23 18:29 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: thats why the jury and courts in general need to be made away of date "Last Modified" | Jul 23 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | if there was no perjury crime, then nothing could be done to punish me for affecting the outcome of the trial | Jul 23 18:29 |
| Ziomatrix | anyway I think I'm gonna sleep on it, thanks for the chat ciao | Jul 23 18:31 |
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| DaemonFC | the codified legal system is theoretically there to protect you from the whims of a few ruling elite | Jul 23 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | but in practice, it always breaks down and ends up serving the ruling elite | Jul 23 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Jul 23 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva sells "extended maintainence" | Jul 23 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | which provides access to a repository that provides post-EOL updates for another 18 months | Jul 23 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | couldn't someone buy access and just copy all the packages to their own repository? | Jul 23 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | and make it available to everyone? | Jul 23 18:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I am looking for some advice about Google. What do you think? Is Google not evil? http://ur1.ca/0tnxs | Jul 23 19:03 | |
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| schestowitz | [18:07] <DaemonFC> Why should Microsoft get off the hook when in this cause they provide the "defective and unmaintained bridge" that collapses now and then causing millions of dollars in property damage? | Jul 23 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Or a while oil rig to sink | Jul 23 19:29 |
| schestowitz | *whole | Jul 23 19:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] CNN: "India unveils $35 computer for students" Linux, of course. Price could drop to $10. http://bit.ly/9sELFI | Jul 23 19:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #Windows #BSOD Caused Deepwater Horizon Disaster http://ur1.ca/0to3o #bp #bpcares #windowskills | Jul 23 19:34 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Windows BSOD Caused Deepwater Horizon Disaster | Techrights .::. Size~: 89.17 KB | Jul 23 19:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Say that again? Windows kills? โบ @glynmoody: BSOD Issues On Deepwater Horizon - http://bit.ly/a0p8fs uh-huh... #bsod #oilspill #disaster | Jul 23 19:42 | |
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| schestowitz | Ah | Jul 23 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Slashdot got there first | Jul 23 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Oh well... | Jul 23 19:46 |
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| DaemonFC | oiaohmSimple fact when you are too open its too tempting to fork. | Jul 23 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | JoehYou mean like the linux guys made Google do with Android? lol | Jul 23 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | how is tossing out old dead broken code with no maintainer (who is off working on their fork by choice), forcing Google to do anything of the sort? | Jul 23 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | -staging is not there to be used as a perpetual dump for bad code | Jul 23 19:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fastcompany.com/1673553/cheap-computing-india-tablet-ipad-killer-olpc | Jul 23 19:53 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: India Reveals Linux-Based $35 Tablet, We Reveal Why It's Likely Fake | Fast Company .::. Size~: 35.05 KB | Jul 23 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | "Well, this is totally never going to get approved, so we'll just stick it over here and claim we support Linux if you want to build our module which makes the kernel fall over and die now and then" | Jul 23 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | "Lalala, another day another dollar!" | Jul 23 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | things are in -staging now with the assumption that they'll improve and be upgraded to "official support" | Jul 23 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | users who know the risks can compile and use them until then, if they wish | Jul 23 19:55 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb mentioned here: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/07/best-advert-for-ubuntu-you-probably.html I think it's him | Jul 23 19:55 |
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| DaemonFC | when Google dumped old broken Android code there and left it, they invited its removal | Jul 23 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | http://mjg59.livejournal.com/118588.html | Jul 23 19:57 |
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| DaemonFC | Chrome OS and Ubuntu Netbook Remix use security flaw in X to enable touchpad features | Jul 23 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 23 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | that's just too funny | Jul 23 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | Google acts liek Chrome OS will be Fort Knox | Jul 23 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | then they flip on shared memory for Xorg | Jul 23 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | right.... | Jul 23 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | there's a problem with open source, schestowitz | Jul 23 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Jul 23 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | even if Xorg wakes up and rips that "feature" out | Jul 23 20:00 |
| schestowitz | With Google maybe | Jul 23 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | those damned OEMs can patch it back in | Jul 23 20:00 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: what's the prob? | Jul 23 20:01 |
| schestowitz | First use Linux | Jul 23 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Then you can rant about it :-p[ | Jul 23 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | someone taking over my mouse would be a problem | Jul 23 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | what do you mean use Linux? I do | Jul 23 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Not dabble | Jul 23 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Use | Jul 23 20:01 |
| schestowitz | You're like oiaohm, but he's actually USING Linux | Jul 23 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | it's not a security flaw by default, because it is off | Jul 23 20:02 |
| schestowitz | You spend a lot of time here ranting about Linux, which you don't use | Jul 23 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | incompetant Linux distros flip it on | Jul 23 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | to provide "features" | Jul 23 20:02 |
| schestowitz | I rant about Windows because I used it as a teenager | Jul 23 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | at least he managed to publicly shame Ubuntu into turning it off | Jul 23 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | Google isn't listening | Jul 23 20:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQyOA | Jul 23 20:03 |
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| DaemonFC | but it kind of makes you wonder what other obvious stupid shit Ubuntu is doing for little benefit | Jul 23 20:03 |
| *schestowitz pushes Lightspark 0.4.2 into DaemonFC's mouth | Jul 23 20:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | what's stupid is that it hasn't even been necessary for years | Jul 23 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | and it's still an advertised option in Xorg | Jul 23 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | they need to clean house | Jul 23 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | then at least they can blame stupid distros that go out of their way to patch it back in | Jul 23 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | for creating their own security misconfiguration | Jul 23 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | X has always been a security disaster and that's only now starting to change, and that's only IF you actually use the bundled video drivers in the kernel which don't support much more than the most basic features of modern video cards | Jul 23 20:07 |
| schestowitz | http://polaris.gseis.ucla.edu/pagre/how-to-help.html | Jul 23 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | When you no longer have to chosoe between security disaster and hardware working, that will be the year of the Linux desktop | Jul 23 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | severs aren't really affected because they usually don't even have X anyway | Jul 23 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | *servers | Jul 23 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | X with the binary drivers is kind of like XPorg | Jul 23 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | hey, let's give something that interacts with user programs direct access to hardware! | Jul 23 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | in such a way that the kernel can't veto malicious operations even if it wants to! | Jul 23 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | when you use functional video drivers on Linux, you're basically throwing all claims to a secure system in the toilet | Jul 23 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | the video stack in that configuration is basically a Linux clone of Windows XP's video driver model | Jul 23 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | Garrett ca;;s the shared memory thing a wart | Jul 23 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | X is a wart | Jul 23 20:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fsdaily.com/Business/RIAA_Accounting_How_Labels_Avoid_Paying_Musicians "The RIAA always claim they are only "protecting" musicians when they sue some single mother for downloading a song or two." | Jul 23 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | [20:12] <DaemonFC> X is a wart | Jul 23 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I know | Jul 23 20:13 |
| schestowitz | X is DaemonFC | Jul 23 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 says "Oh, your video driver crashed and caused Aero to flicker for a half a second while I restarted it for you" | Jul 23 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | Linux/X/binary driver: "Oh look, your video card driver had a small bug which we magnified into a nuclear explosion that took out everything including the kernel!" | Jul 23 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | when things are mishandled at one level, it's frustrating | Jul 23 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | when things are mishandled at EVERY level, the system fails | Jul 23 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's like your driver glitches, X doesn't know what to do and starts flipping out, and the kernel takes some splash damage when the hardware is going crazy and goes ahead and panic | Jul 23 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | *panics | Jul 23 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | now THAT is teamwork! | Jul 23 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | then, if that's not good enough for you, the hard disk controller maybe starts writing out junk to the disk and you better hope you're not using XFS or Ext4 | Jul 23 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | one hiccup in the graphics driver can cause your entire Linux system to self-destruct | Jul 23 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | with all your data | Jul 23 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | the odds of that happening are off, even with the worst video drivers, but it's conceivable that they could do that | Jul 23 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | so therefore, the Linux systems that human beings use (with functional binary drivers and all) are a powderkeg | Jul 23 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't seem to bother some people (because they're used to Windows failing for no reason anyway) or others (because they actually use the old hardware with the free drivers) | Jul 23 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | but people with decent hardware who want to use it have no reason to really trust the system | Jul 23 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | keeping ATI and Nvidia at arms length keeps X.org and Linux more credible | Jul 23 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | even as 90% of their users have to resort to those drivers | Jul 23 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | it's only been within the last year that the free drivers nouveau and radeon had much to offer over vesa | Jul 23 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | but binary drivers have always been like that crazy uncle that nobody wants to fess up to | Jul 23 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | if you can't do better than your opponent, start some character assassination | Jul 23 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | sabotage him so he can't succeed | Jul 23 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | right schestowitz? | Jul 23 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | that's what's always pissed me off about Linux video support, it could be better if Linux and X could step aside and stop hindering binary drivers if they can't do better | Jul 23 20:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: hold on... I'm doing Links | Jul 23 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | poisoning the well shouldn't be the policy of any project | Jul 23 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | FOSS or proprietary | Jul 23 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | but it frequently is with both | Jul 23 20:30 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Banshee has always been in OpenSuse hasn't it? | Jul 23 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | since a long time ago I mean | Jul 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | it's not some 11.3 overnight development | Jul 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | OpenSuse actually abandoned Monsoon and Beagle if you've noticed | Jul 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | there's been less Mono stuff in the default setup for the past two releases now | Jul 23 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | they scrapped Beagle for Tracker in 11.3 | Jul 23 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | and they scrapped Monsoon/Monotorrent for Transmission in 11.2 | Jul 23 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | I think that leaves them with F-Spot, and Tomboy (which most GNOME distros have) and Banshee (which a few others carry or will be adding soon) | Jul 23 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu's "community" has upped the pestering for Banshee inclusion ever since the Hypephone support was announced | Jul 23 20:37 |
| schestowitz | [20:13] <DaemonFC> Windows 7 says "Oh, your video driver crashed and caused Aero to flicker for a half a second while I restarted it for you" | Jul 23 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Can't be exact quote | Jul 23 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | Not that I think that many Ubuntu users are turned on by Hypephone, otherwise they'd all have HypeMacs too | Jul 23 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's a Reichstag Fire-style distraction | Jul 23 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | not really a broad request by the "community" | Jul 23 20:38 |
| schestowitz | [20:18] <DaemonFC> one hiccup in the graphics driver can cause your entire Linux system to self-destruct | Jul 23 20:38 |
| schestowitz | hardly | Jul 23 20:38 |
| schestowitz | It goes back to gdm/kdm/other | Jul 23 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Processes not tied to GUI can still run | Jul 23 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | nobody who would pay $500 for an iphone is using Ubuntu | Jul 23 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | I guarantee that | Jul 23 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | and if they are, they are even more insane | Jul 23 20:39 |
| schestowitz | [20:39] <DaemonFC> nobody who would pay $500 for an iphone is using Ubuntu | Jul 23 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Multiboot | Jul 23 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | Why would a Mac fanboy go for cheap imitation Mac (Ubuntu) when they have a real iphone? | Jul 23 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think any real people would install Ubuntu on a Mac | Jul 23 20:40 |
| schestowitz | [20:36] <DaemonFC> I think that leaves them with F-Spot, and Tomboy (which most GNOME distros have) and Banshee (which a few others carry or will be adding soon) | Jul 23 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Don't forget the move to kde (ish) | Jul 23 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | if you pay double for a PC just to get OS X, what's the point of slapping Ubuntu on it? | Jul 23 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | isn't that self-defeating? | Jul 23 20:40 |
| schestowitz | [20:39] <DaemonFC> Why would a Mac fanboy go for cheap imitation Mac (Ubuntu) when they have a real iphone? | Jul 23 20:41 |
| schestowitz | It's not an imitation | Jul 23 20:41 |
| schestowitz | And there are other distros | Jul 23 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is a Mac imitation | Jul 23 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | it's really no longer a Linux distribution | Jul 23 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | just a platform for crapware with a bad GUI | Jul 23 20:42 |
| schestowitz | [20:40] <DaemonFC> if you pay double for a PC just to get OS X, what's the point of slapping Ubuntu on it? | Jul 23 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Developers with Macs | Jul 23 20:42 |
| schestowitz | For development Linux is better a lot of the time | Jul 23 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | you're talking about Nono-Touch developers? | Jul 23 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 23 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | that's going nowhere | Jul 23 20:42 |
| schestowitz | [20:42] <DaemonFC> just a platform for crapware with a bad GUI | Jul 23 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | the last thing Apple wants is C# running on their iphones | Jul 23 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Mac has high perceived value | Jul 23 20:43 |
| schestowitz | So Ubuntu tries to appear like cheap price for high value | Jul 23 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | right, Prada | Jul 23 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Not Widnows | Jul 23 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is cheap imitation Prada | Jul 23 20:43 |
| schestowitz | [20:42] <DaemonFC> the last thing Apple wants is C# running on their iphones | Jul 23 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Tell Miguel | Jul 23 20:43 |
| schestowitz | He might talk to his bosses (Microsoft) | Jul 23 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | well, he's wasting his time | Jul 23 20:43 |
| schestowitz | No | Jul 23 20:44 |
| schestowitz | He plans for a future career | Jul 23 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | Apple can veto him and not let Nono-Touch on their phones | Jul 23 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | and they have | Jul 23 20:44 |
| schestowitz | [20:43] <DaemonFC> well, he's wasting his time | Jul 23 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Good | Jul 23 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Keep him doing blank work | Jul 23 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | well, that's exactly what he's doing | Jul 23 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | why work on it once Apple has given you the finger? | Jul 23 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | they control what lands on any iphone out there | Jul 23 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | is Nono-Touch significantly generic that he can port what he has to other phones? | Jul 23 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think Google wants it either | Jul 23 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | and Windows Phones already have a Mobile .Net thing anyway | Jul 23 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | so what is the future of his project? | Jul 23 20:46 |
| schestowitz | /me watches http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8683046848311681223# | Jul 23 20:47 |
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| DaemonFC | even if he got it on Windows Phone, nobody uses that and it would be redundant anyway | Jul 23 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | and the funny thing is that Microsoft wouldn't take it | Jul 23 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | why would they? | Jul 23 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | to legitimize Mono? | Jul 23 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | they already have the real .NET | Jul 23 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | so Mono Touch is a gigantic time sink | Jul 23 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | it can never be anything else | Jul 23 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Near as I can tell, the only iphone your Mono Touch app will ever run on is the bundled iphone simulator in Mono Develop | Jul 23 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 23 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | The Mono project has also created a VB.NET compiler as well as a runtime designed for running VB.NET applications. It is currently being developed by Rolf Bjarne Kvinge. | Jul 23 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | hehehe | Jul 23 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | the language that makes you want to puke, developed by someone whose name sounds like a phonetic representation of puking | Jul 23 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 23 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | how convenient | Jul 23 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | why does the Wikipedia page for Moonlight say "Linux" under Operating System? | Jul 23 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | it should conceivably work on any unix system | Jul 23 20:56 |
| *DaemonFC gives schestowitz the gift of Desklets | Jul 23 21:00 | |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbMyPG4IKo8 | Jul 23 21:00 |
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| cubezzz3 | just got a flyer for Microsoft Office Professional | Jul 23 21:15 |
| cubezzz3 | only $659.99 ! | Jul 23 21:15 |
| cubezzz3 | I think I'll just keep using perl scripts :) | Jul 23 21:16 |
| schestowitz | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8683046848311681223#docid=-5746642675625898216 | Jul 23 21:20 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links: Free Software Grows in Europe http://techrights.org/2010/07/23/free-software-grows/ #freesoftware | Jul 23 21:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links: #GNU #Linux Breakthrough in India, Linux 2.6.35 News http://techrights.org/2010/07/23/commoditizing-computers/ #india | Jul 23 21:22 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Why would they go to great pain to promote OpenSuse? | Jul 23 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | "Hey, this might work for you and you don't have to pay us for it!" | Jul 23 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 21:25 |
| schestowitz | They used to | Jul 23 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | they whip out OpenSuse whenever they start taking flak for Red Hat being more open than they are | Jul 23 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | then they put it away again :) | Jul 23 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | with OpenSuse, their entire core system maintainence is on autopilot by unpaid volunteers | Jul 23 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | and occasionally Novell drops in to stick some of their crap into it | Jul 23 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I figure it's not getting forked because then the developers wouldn't have Novell around to back some of the bills | Jul 23 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | like hosting and bandwidth and all that other lovely stuff | Jul 23 21:28 |
| schestowitz | http://tinyogg.com/watch/02I4C/ | Jul 23 21:29 |
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| DaemonFC | the developers complain about being on a leash, but they keep themselves on the leash because Novell can do all the bill paying | Jul 23 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | obviously it's not bothering them badly enough to figure out another way of paying the bills | Jul 23 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | it's like a marriage of convenience | Jul 23 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | "Well, I would leave, but then I'd lose this huge house and my big expensive car, and...." | Jul 23 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: What I don't get.... | Jul 23 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | If Mandriva is so KDE-centric, why did they build Mandriva Control Center in GTK+? | Jul 23 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | why do they have so many GNOME dependencies? | Jul 23 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | I went ahead and slapped QTCurve on all my GTK+ apps | Jul 23 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | so they look kinda sorta KDE-ish | Jul 23 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | even if they don't quite match | Jul 23 21:35 |
| schestowitz | http://tinyogg.com/watch/QtldT/ | Jul 23 21:38 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links: Bank Fraud in Retrospect, #Wikileaks Hunt http://techrights.org/2010/07/23/wikileaks-hunt/ | Jul 23 21:43 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Links 23/7/2010: Bank Fraud in Retrospect, Wikileaks Hunt | Techrights .::. Size~: 102.22 KB | Jul 23 21:43 |
| schestowitz | [21:28] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: I figure it's not getting forked because then the developers wouldn't have Novell around to back some of the bills | Jul 23 21:44 |
| schestowitz | They already have this issue | Jul 23 21:44 |
| schestowitz | They sought sponsors | Jul 23 21:44 |
| schestowitz | The project had site downtimes and Novell didn't help | Jul 23 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | hmm | Jul 23 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | the Microsoft patent covenant expires in 2010 | Jul 23 21:46 |
| schestowitz | load average: 13.65, 8.73, 5.39 | Jul 23 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | errr | Jul 23 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | 2012 | Jul 23 21:46 |
| schestowitz | We should ask Novell for server space too | Jul 23 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Boycott Novell gets too much traffic | Jul 23 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | so basically they only want to use it to gain acceptance for Silverlight | Jul 23 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | then they'll revoke the license | Jul 23 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | in the meantime, they get to brag about "promising to not sue anyone" | Jul 23 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | when did OpenSuse have downtime? | Jul 23 21:49 |
| cubezzz3 | funny | Jul 23 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jul/23/deepwater-horizon-oil-rig-alarms | Jul 23 21:53 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Deepwater Horizon alarms were switched off 'to help workers sleep' | Environment | The Guardian .::. Size~: 76.48 KB | Jul 23 21:53 |
| *DaemonFC facepalms | Jul 23 21:54 | |
| DaemonFC | sleep right through the explosions | Jul 23 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Jul 23 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | sure | Jul 23 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | someone shut off that damned alarm!!! | Jul 23 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 23 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | "Vital warning systems on the Deepwater Horizon oil rig were switched off at the time of the explosion in order to spare workers being woken by false alarms, a federal investigation has heard." | Jul 23 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | they were shut off so that the alarms wouldn't be triggered by the unsafe working conditions | Jul 23 21:55 |
| cubezzz3 | when I look at the Xerox Alto screenshots it doesn't quite look like a gui | Jul 23 21:55 |
| cubezzz3 | there's no apparent bitmap graphics | Jul 23 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | this is like trying to say the workers at the Triangle Shirtwaist factory were locked in because it was a high crime area | Jul 23 21:56 |
| cubezzz3 | so really if you want to say "first gui" you have to look at the Xerox Star, not the Alto | Jul 23 21:58 |
| cubezzz3 | 1981 | Jul 23 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | wrong | Jul 23 21:58 |
| cubezzz3 | oh? | Jul 23 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | Visicorp Visi On | Jul 23 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | actually, you may be right | Jul 23 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | Visi On was the first full GUI for the IBM PC | Jul 23 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft saw it and send out mockups of Windows to PC magazines | Jul 23 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | Windows hadn't even been written yet | Jul 23 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | *sent | Jul 23 22:01 |
| cubezzz3 | depends what you what to compare | Jul 23 22:01 |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visi_On#Visi_On_is_created | Jul 23 22:01 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Visi On - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 39.78 KB | Jul 23 22:01 |
| cubezzz3 | Doug Engelbart's Augmentation of Human Intellect project at SRI in the 1960s had hypertext | Jul 23 22:01 |
| cubezzz3 | and graphics | Jul 23 22:01 |
| cubezzz3 | I'm just saying "first gui" | Jul 23 22:02 |
| cubezzz3 | this looks like it to me: | Jul 23 22:02 |
| cubezzz3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Xerox_8010_compound_document.jpg | Jul 23 22:03 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: File:Xerox 8010 compound document.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 28.39 KB | Jul 23 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | http://toastytech.com/guis/mdrv.html | Jul 23 22:03 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Mandriva 2010 .::. Size~: 13.48 KB | Jul 23 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Jul 23 22:03 |
| cubezzz3 | all the elements are there | Jul 23 22:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Quote of the Day: Peer To Patent is a โColossal Waste of Time When [It] Examines Software Patentsโ http://ur1.ca/0tp73 #swpats | Jul 23 22:03 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Quote of the Day: Peer To Patent is a โColossal Waste of Time When [It] Examines Software Patentsโ | Techrights .::. Size~: 89.54 KB | Jul 23 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | http://toastytech.com/guis/mdrvinstall.png | Jul 23 22:03 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jul 23 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Jul 23 22:03 |
| cubezzz3 | http://www.digibarn.com/collections/software/alto/alto-cedar-environment.jpg | Jul 23 22:04 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jul 23 22:04 |
| cubezzz3 | looks kind of like X | Jul 23 22:04 |
| cubezzz3 | there's the clock, the mailbox, and other pictures | Jul 23 22:04 |
| cubezzz3 | no reversi though :) | Jul 23 22:05 |
| cubezzz3 | it looks better than windows 1.0 | Jul 23 22:05 |
| cubezzz3 | you got to admit | Jul 23 22:06 |
| cubezzz3 | Plato predates even the Alto: | Jul 23 22:07 |
| cubezzz3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PLATO_System | Jul 23 22:07 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: PLATO (computer system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 74.99 KB | Jul 23 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | "This computer has a standard internal floppy drive, but Mandriva does not seem to want to recognize it. I just get crazy errors such as: "An error occurred while accessing 'PC Floppy Drive', the system responded: org.fredesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.Uknown mount: you must specify the filesystem type". Presumably they omitted simplified errors to make room for the tuna. " | Jul 23 22:08 |
| cubezzz3 | you want 3.5" era? :) | Jul 23 22:08 |
| cubezzz3 | funny, I remember when it was brand new | Jul 23 22:09 |
| cubezzz3 | "this will replace those silly 5.25" disks" | Jul 23 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | I like the built in terminal feature | Jul 23 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | in Dolphin and Konqueror | Jul 23 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Meh. /. is FPing this whole "Linus is God" thing http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/07/23/123209/The-Scalability-of-Linus | Jul 23 22:09 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot Linux Story | The Scalability of Linus .::. Size~: 158.54 KB | Jul 23 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | Nautilus won't even have a GUI interface once Ubuntu grabs Nautilus-Preschool | Jul 23 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | (Nautilus-Elementary) | Jul 23 22:10 |
| schestowitz | http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9809.3/0850.html | Jul 23 22:11 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Linux-Kernel Archive: Re: 2.1.123 and fbcon.c .::. Size~: 2.92 KB | Jul 23 22:11 |
| schestowitz | "" | Jul 23 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Go away, people. Or at least don't Cc me any more. I'm not interested, I'm | Jul 23 22:11 |
| schestowitz | taking a vacation, and I don't want to hear about it any more. In short, | Jul 23 22:11 |
| schestowitz | get the hell out of my mailbox. | Jul 23 22:11 |
| schestowitz | http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2010-06-24-n15.html | Jul 23 22:15 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: How to Access the Internet (A Guide from 2025) .::. Size~: 14.01 KB | Jul 23 22:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] US Senate passes 'Libel tourism bill' http://bit.ly/cqN0gL http://immi.is/ | Jul 23 22:17 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: U.S. Senate passes 'libel tourism' bill - Blog - Committee to Protect Journalists .::. Size~: 31.73 KB | Jul 23 22:17 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Icelandic Modern Media Initiative .::. Size~: 4.62 KB | Jul 23 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | "Oddly, I could not get Mandriva to recognize any regular CD-ROMs, but it did eventually recognize a Windows 7 DVD. Is it trying to tell me something? " | Jul 23 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 23 22:17 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/16550/rip_opensolaris | Jul 23 22:18 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: R.I.P. OpenSolaris - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 68.49 KB | Jul 23 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Not sure this is true | Jul 23 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Misleading information... http://www.fsdaily.com/Legal/A_CIO_s_Quick_Guide_To_Open_Source_Licenses | Jul 23 22:20 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: A CIOโs Quick Guide To Open Source Licenses | fsdaily.com - Free Software News .::. Size~: 31.39 KB | Jul 23 22:20 |
| schestowitz | From v | Jul 23 22:20 |
| schestowitz | http://itexpertvoice.com | Jul 23 22:20 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: IT Expert Voice .::. Size~: 62.84 KB | Jul 23 22:20 |
| schestowitz | expert..... fusmeister | Jul 23 22:20 |
| schestowitz | "IT Expert Voice is a partnership between Dell and Federated Media. " | Jul 23 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Federated Media works for Microsoft | Jul 23 22:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] TED: The conference of cool | FT http://bit.ly/bfP2OC | Jul 23 22:21 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: FT.com / weekend columnists / Peter Aspden - Conference of cool .::. Size~: 68.11 KB | Jul 23 22:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-mandriva-2010.1-spring-free-x86_64-ispconfig-2 | Jul 23 22:23 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The Perfect Server - Mandriva 2010.1 (Spring) Free (x86_64) [ISPConfig 2] | HowtoForge - Linux Howtos and Tutorials .::. Size~: 45.36 KB | Jul 23 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I made a mistake | Jul 23 22:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you're doing it wrong | Jul 23 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | I set the ball to auto bounce | Jul 23 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | and now I can't get rid of it | Jul 23 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Do it from the front | Jul 23 22:23 |
| schestowitz | [22:17] <DaemonFC> "Oddly, I could not get Mandriva to recognize any regular CD-ROMs, but it did eventually recognize a Windows 7 DVD. Is it trying to tell me something? " | Jul 23 22:24 |
| schestowitz | You break it on purpose maybe | Jul 23 22:24 |
| schestowitz | http://partedmagic.com/index.php?view=article&catid=3%5C%3Anewsflash&id=156%5C%3Aparted-magic-50&tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page= | Jul 23 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/4130/snapshot3w.png | Jul 23 22:30 |
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| DaemonFC | well, at least this works right | Jul 23 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | it accepts Fahrenheit degrees and zip codes | Jul 23 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | that's more than I was expecting | Jul 23 22:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you should start an Indiana Free Software Grouop | Jul 23 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | there are some | Jul 23 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | apparently | Jul 23 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | there's even an Ubuntu User Group! around somewhere | Jul 23 22:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5224/125/ | Jul 23 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | (pronounced UGGGH?) | Jul 23 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Bama Bama would not be happy | Jul 23 22:32 |
| schestowitz | http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/vadodara/In-Karjan-students-already-work-on-Linux/articleshow/6164144.cms | Jul 23 22:33 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: In Karjan, students already work on Linux - Vadodara - City - The Times of India .::. Size~: 61.24 KB | Jul 23 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | EU bureacracy saves the day! | Jul 23 22:35 |
| *DaemonFC has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Jul 23 22:39 | |
| *DaemonFC (~ryan@ppp-69-215-51-52.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Jul 23 22:42 | |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: EU >> US | Jul 23 22:42 |
| schestowitz | * DaemonFC | Jul 23 22:42 |
| schestowitz | China >> US soon | Jul 23 22:42 |
| schestowitz | US becomes crazy tea-begging [sic] neo-Nazi boors in some regions and China excels in engineering | Jul 23 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Tell your dad to get a head start, DaemonFC, give him a book on Mandarin for his birthday... and Cantonese too | Jul 23 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | globalization | Jul 23 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | race to the bottom | Jul 23 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | hurts everyone except CEOs | Jul 23 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | "shareholders" | Jul 23 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | upper management types | Jul 23 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Hurry up though | Jul 23 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Order by the end of the day and 6 "I lovce Glenn Beck" stickers will be sent absolutely free | Jul 23 22:47 |
| schestowitz | [22:45] <DaemonFC> race to the bottom | Jul 23 22:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: one solution is to reduce conception | Jul 23 22:48 |
| schestowitz | You've not got this problem cause you're gay | Jul 23 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | I hate kids anyway | Jul 23 22:48 |
| schestowitz | In fact, you can help unburden bad parents from their kids who are not wanted | Jul 23 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Then they'll find another baby machine and start over | Jul 23 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | for every well behaved respectful child with some manners, there's 100 unsupervised spoiled fucking brats that act like they were raised by wolves | Jul 23 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | because liberals put them on the honor system when spanking your kid became child abuse | Jul 23 22:49 |
| schestowitz | I'll mail you a shirt | Jul 23 22:49 |
| schestowitz | "Make cats, not war, kids" | Jul 23 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | THIS IS NOT A GOD DAMNED DEMOCRACY! and off comes the belt | Jul 23 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | that's how ou do it | Jul 23 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 23 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | or as Al Bundy put it | Jul 23 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | five across the eyes | Jul 23 22:51 |
| schestowitz | http://lwn.net/Articles/394702/ | Jul 23 22:51 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: A line in the sand for graphics drivers [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 108.22 KB | Jul 23 22:51 |
| MinceR | mew | Jul 23 22:52 |
| ThistleWeb | think the serial killer was an extended family member of the the Married With Children family? | Jul 23 22:52 |
| ThistleWeb | ted bundy was it? | Jul 23 22:53 |
| schestowitz | IS this sarcasm really? http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/open-source-legal-maze-open-trap | Jul 23 22:54 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The Open source legal maze: an open trap? | NetworkWorld.com Community .::. Size~: 86.63 KB | Jul 23 22:54 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yeah, I think of Ed O'neil when I hard of Ted Bundy | Jul 23 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Ted Bundy was not stupid though, based on the bio of his on YouTube (E&A IIRC) | Jul 23 22:55 |
| ThistleWeb | it would have been a crazy thing to do, and have an old uncle etc called Ted | Jul 23 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Bundy Burgers | Jul 23 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 23 22:56 |
| ThistleWeb | not sure it'd have went down well with the broadcasters though | Jul 23 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | Al Bundy is awesome | Jul 23 22:56 |
| *ThistleWeb preferred Kelly Bundy | Jul 23 22:57 | |
| DaemonFC | Ted Bundy is a serial killer that apparently survived the British dental system | Jul 23 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 23 22:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Even the Channel 4 sitcom "IT Crowd" makes fun of Windows....great new episode btw.... #channel4 #itcrowd #microsoft #windows #mvp #mvpbuzz | Jul 23 22:57 | |
| DaemonFC | government and budget don't belong in the same sentence | Jul 23 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | my budget outlook would look a little better if I could just take anything I wanted from anyone I wanted to take it from | Jul 23 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | no doubt | Jul 23 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | government doesn't live on a budget | Jul 23 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | government steals your money and mortgages your great grandchildren | Jul 23 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 23:00 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Improved-Calculator-App-in-Ubuntu-10-10-147637.shtml | Jul 23 23:00 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Improved Calculator App in Ubuntu 10.10 - Coming October 10th, 2010 - Softpedia .::. Size~: 56.51 KB | Jul 23 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Whoa!!!!!! | Jul 23 23:00 |
| schestowitz | I gotta get. Gotta! | Jul 23 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The government wants the population to grow because when it stops growing, liberal ponzi scams like Socialized Insecurity start falling apart | Jul 23 23:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: maybe China will turn you to sex worker | Jul 23 23:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: there's this new ads in UK TV... | Jul 23 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Actually, IIRC it's a video | Jul 23 23:02 |
| schestowitz | It shows Chinese people commanding Westerners | Jul 23 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Sign of the future or daemonisation | Jul 23 23:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, it's true about population growth | Jul 23 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | Socialized Insecurity only works when there's more people giving than taking | Jul 23 23:03 |
| schestowitz | I heard this explanation before | Jul 23 23:03 |
| schestowitz | You need population to grow to pay back the debt | Jul 23 23:03 |
| cubezzz3 | yeah I got a calculator | Jul 23 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | for that to happen, every generation has to be larger than the one before it | Jul 23 23:03 |
| schestowitz | But like all bubbles you know it's bound to backfire | Jul 23 23:03 |
| cubezzz3 | you saw my 486 calculator schestowitz? | Jul 23 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | which doesn't exactly happen | Jul 23 23:03 |
| cubezzz3 | works good | Jul 23 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Yes, have a kid | Jul 23 23:04 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: and guess what? | Jul 23 23:04 |
| schestowitz | China didn't grow its polulation | Jul 23 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | the government can mortgage him or her for $50,000 just like they did with you | Jul 23 23:04 |
| cubezzz3 | writing a calc app wouldn't be hard | Jul 23 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Now the US owns China many trillions | Jul 23 23:04 |
| cubezzz3 | yikes | Jul 23 23:04 |
| cubezzz3 | that's a lot :) | Jul 23 23:04 |
| schestowitz | several... | Jul 23 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | how much does the UK owe? | Jul 23 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Maybe 4 | Jul 23 23:04 |
| cubezzz3 | might have to add more zeroes to the calc app though | Jul 23 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | I know they have massive debt too | Jul 23 23:04 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: almost 2 or more | Jul 23 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | how does the UK debt to GDP ratio look? | Jul 23 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Depends who you ask | Jul 23 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Or as Ben Shalom Benanke would say, "I can't tell you!" | Jul 23 23:05 |
| schestowitz | *rnanke | Jul 23 23:05 |
| cubezzz3 | just reset all the debts to zero | Jul 23 23:05 |
| cubezzz3 | world-wide | Jul 23 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the UK is an island of Intellectual Monopoly trolls | Jul 23 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | it's all they make anymore | Jul 23 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | even worse than the US | Jul 23 23:05 |
| schestowitz | [23:05] <cubezzz3> just reset all the debts to zero | Jul 23 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Would be nice | Jul 23 23:05 |
| cubezzz3 | I'm sure it's been done before | Jul 23 23:06 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: shame me up to wake me up :- | Jul 23 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Then the bad dream will stop | Jul 23 23:06 |
| cubezzz3 | it's all an illusion :) | Jul 23 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Jul 23 23:06 |
| cubezzz3 | everyone is using Linux and there's no debt :) | Jul 23 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Illusion of PR.. shop till you drop | Jul 23 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Linux grows in CHina right now | Jul 23 23:07 |
| cubezzz3 | TV is an intellectual treat | Jul 23 23:07 |
| schestowitz | *threat? | Jul 23 23:07 |
| schestowitz | I once read box offices have a surge | Jul 23 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Wanna know the reason they named? People escaping reality | Jul 23 23:08 |
| cubezzz3 | "The most recent increase in the U.S. debt ceiling to $14.3 trillion by H.J.Res. 45 was signed into law on February 12, 2010." | Jul 23 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | really if you want to get dicky about it, OpenBSD is probably the most free OS there is | Jul 23 23:08 |
| schestowitz | So, hey, maybe we can use films (hypnosis) cause we can't wake up with reset debt | Jul 23 23:08 |
| cubezzz3 | they have a "debt ceiling" | Jul 23 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | which has any real production value anyway | Jul 23 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | HURD doesn't count | Jul 23 23:08 |
| cubezzz3 | HURD is the light though | Jul 23 23:08 |
| cubezzz3 | ;-) | Jul 23 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | Linux blobs are growing 14 times faster than GPL code | Jul 23 23:08 |
| cubezzz3 | not on my boxes | Jul 23 23:09 |
| cubezzz3 | I use ancient code remember? | Jul 23 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | FreeBSD doesn't even pretend to give a shit | Jul 23 23:09 |
| schestowitz | The debt clock ran out of digits | Jul 23 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they also need double rather than long | Jul 23 23:09 |
| cubezzz3 | schestowitz, they need a debt clock that can dynamically increase it's display :) | Jul 23 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | maybe they need to express it in powers of 10 | Jul 23 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 23:09 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I have a plan for you | Jul 23 23:10 |
| cubezzz3 | super wide screen | Jul 23 23:10 |
| schestowitz | To pay back your collective debt | Jul 23 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Adopt 3 kids | Jul 23 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Make them your slaves | Jul 23 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Send cheques to China | Jul 23 23:10 |
| schestowitz | For 50 years | Jul 23 23:10 |
| schestowitz | You might get 5 years debt-free before you die... and your slav... kids will have longer | Jul 23 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | bullshit | Jul 23 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Then you face the challenge of getting tech edge | Jul 23 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not subjecting anyone to this | Jul 23 23:11 |
| schestowitz | After a generation grows in slavery there's no time for college | Jul 23 23:11 |
| schestowitz | So you look at the Eastern world, which is like today's West | Jul 23 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The US federal government will be insolvent by the mid 2020s | Jul 23 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | and that's a good thing | Jul 23 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | means new government | Jul 23 23:12 |
| schestowitz | And you get some visas from the world's richest man, Li Guates | Jul 23 23:12 |
| schestowitz | ANd he corrupts the Chinese regimes | Jul 23 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Tells them to make more visa available | Jul 23 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Cause the Chinese are not skilled enough and those 'cheap' people in the US are very advanced | Jul 23 23:12 |
| schestowitz | So they can luckily sometimes be allowed to bring the family from Detroit to Beijing | Jul 23 23:13 |
| schestowitz | And buy a Chinese electric car | Jul 23 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | politicians play kick the can | Jul 23 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | and fund everything with debt | Jul 23 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Not debt | Jul 23 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Kids | Jul 23 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Yours | Jul 23 23:13 |
| schestowitz | 'We don't have money right now, but.." | Jul 23 23:14 |
| schestowitz | "We expect to have x more kids in the next 20 years, so we have OK credit, aiiight?" | Jul 23 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I'll just move to CHina :-p | Jul 23 23:15 |
| schestowitz | But then I'll have to blog about how so wonderful the leader is | Jul 23 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Or be beaten/imprisons/vanished | Jul 23 23:15 |
| schestowitz | *ned | Jul 23 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.courierpress.com/news/2010/jul/23/indiana-teen-accused-aiming-laser-police-helicopte/ | Jul 23 23:16 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Indiana teen accused of aiming laser at police helicopter ยป Evansville Courier & Press .::. Size~: 102.53 KB | Jul 23 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 23 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Jul 23 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Same here too | Jul 23 23:17 |
| cubezzz3 | you can do humanrights.com on the side :) | Jul 23 23:17 |
| schestowitz | WIth kids | Jul 23 23:17 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: who, ryan? | Jul 23 23:17 |
| cubezzz3 | no you :) | Jul 23 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Dirty words | Jul 23 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Human and rights | Jul 23 23:17 |
| schestowitz | [in CHina] | Jul 23 23:17 |
| schestowitz | People... republic | Jul 23 23:17 |
| schestowitz | An ex-g/f of mine lives in China | Jul 23 23:18 |
| schestowitz | And another got a degree in Chinese | Jul 23 23:18 |
| schestowitz | She left her maths degreee | Jul 23 23:18 |
| schestowitz | I have spoken to neither in years, but we're in good terms, so maybe I have myself a potential ticket into China | Jul 23 23:18 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Jul 23 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Hey, DaemonFC, maybe they'll reciprocate by importing white US citizens to build them a rail system | Jul 23 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Maybe even a giant wall... to block the Mongol hordes | Jul 23 23:20 |
| *Diablo-D3 sighs and puts down his axe. | Jul 23 23:20 | |
| schestowitz | Maybe Japan will lend some Uranium to the US... parachuted... | Jul 23 23:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Once you've done that (you will get a server /pass) with which you can access the binaries... | Jul 23 23:20 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC has disappeared somewhere. Hey, DaemonFC, don't you know BearManCat is a poor password. You need to change it NOW. | Jul 23 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.browncountyindiana.com/index.php?id=4274 | Jul 23 23:22 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The Brown County Democrat - Brown County Indiana - Five felony charges each for five teens in arson case .::. Size~: 40.4 KB | Jul 23 23:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Why do people automatically assume Usenet binaries are for infringing copyright? Most of the Amiga PD can be found there, and so | Jul 23 23:22 | |
| DaemonFC | rofl | Jul 23 23:22 |
| schestowitz | I read that as Brown Country | Jul 23 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Brown Country Indiana | Jul 23 23:22 |
| schestowitz | What a load of.... | Jul 23 23:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] many other free, legal downloads...Just had a very unpleasant email.....shame they never read my site and my strong anti-piracy stance. | Jul 23 23:23 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.nwitimes.com/business/local/article_cce3f4cf-2b8a-55be-8a61-418df58d64f2.html | Jul 23 23:24 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Expert: Subsidies vital to future of wind energy industry .::. Size~: 126.87 KB | Jul 23 23:24 |
| schestowitz | COnfucius says, "in America, man arrests man for passing chemical. In Soviet CHina, man passes chemical" | Jul 23 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | subsidies, because some projects are not economically viable | Jul 23 23:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] IT Crowd is probably the only decent show left on TV now that Doctor Who has finished. | Jul 23 23:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] I was in Livermore when the 3.5 quake hit; felt nothing. Didn't even know it happened until BART announced it 40 mins later. | Jul 23 23:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin everyone is against piracy. Now, about sharing of files... | Jul 23 23:25 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: "my name is Li, you killed my father, prepare to die...gest cats" | Jul 23 23:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: if your cat lives long enough, he might live through the CHinese takeover | Jul 23 23:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz lol...thought I would get that back! ;) "piracy" of IP (not high-seas) must be an ok term to use, afterall its what many | Jul 23 23:27 | |
| schestowitz | I hear they're running low in carbs and protein over there | Jul 23 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Cats are on the menu | Jul 23 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | because Chinese people are disgusting | Jul 23 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | they eat anything that swims, crawls, flies, slithers, etc. | Jul 23 23:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz of the large "scene" groups refer to themselves as. If the "pirates" like to be called "pirates" whats the problem? | Jul 23 23:28 | |
| DaemonFC | they're like catfish | Jul 23 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | bottom feeders | Jul 23 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Naaa.. | Jul 23 23:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin IP doesn't exist (except Internet Protocol); copyrights on the other hand.... | Jul 23 23:29 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: momma gave them a stomach, so they use it | Jul 23 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Dietary choices are a cultural/upbringing thing | Jul 23 23:29 |
| schestowitz | At least cannibalism hardly survived | Jul 23 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.thebraziltimes.com/story/1651703.html | Jul 23 23:30 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Brazil Times: Local News: Warrant issued for EMT (07/23/10) .::. Size~: 19.61 KB | Jul 23 23:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz I thought we were talking about the word "piracy"? It seems the only people with a problem with the name "pirate" | Jul 23 23:31 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: this pervert needs a g/f | Jul 23 23:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz are those that are not. Like I say, the "scene" refers to itself as that and thats the source of much material. | Jul 23 23:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Now IP on the otherhand...or intellectual property....thats a debate which probably isn't best suited for 140 chars... | Jul 23 23:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin I don't use these words though | Jul 23 23:33 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.apple.com/iphone/case-program/ | Jul 23 23:33 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Apple - iPhone 4 - Case Program .::. Size~: 12.4 KB | Jul 23 23:33 |
| schestowitz | case study: | Jul 23 23:34 |
| schestowitz | case program | Jul 23 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You figure the iphone simulator in Mono Develop would run that? | Jul 23 23:34 |
| schestowitz | case closed | Jul 23 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Case for Apple to be buries in | Jul 23 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Case of Apple=casket for dead xbox 360s | Jul 23 23:34 |
| schestowitz | That page is hilarious | Jul 23 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Few words | Jul 23 23:35 |
| schestowitz | To say, "our phone is a pile of garbage, so we give you stuff for it" | Jul 23 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Steve Jobs is gonna put in a case for this | Jul 23 23:36 |
| schestowitz | [or get put in a bumper] | Jul 23 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Someone should make a Flash game about it | Jul 23 23:37 |
| schestowitz | For angry hypePhoneFour buyers | Jul 23 23:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz I never suggested you did and RE: sharing of files, thats fine in my book as long as the owner/creator concurs.. | Jul 23 23:37 | |
| schestowitz | Call it "putting Steve Jobs in a case" | Jul 23 23:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin not all files have owners; some are mashups | Jul 23 23:38 | |
| DaemonFC | TurboLinux and Mandriva share the same core RPMs I believe | Jul 23 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jul 23 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Project Manbo | Jul 23 23:39 |
| schestowitz | TurboLinux is kaput | Jul 23 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Like Linspire | Jul 23 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.mandriva.com/enterprise/en/company/press/mandriva-and-turbolinux-announce-a-partnership-and-create-a-joint-development-lab-c | Jul 23 23:39 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Mandriva and Turbolinux announce a partnership and create a joint development lab called Manbo-Labs | Mandriva linux .::. Size~: 18.62 KB | Jul 23 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | so they're not really connected to Mandriva beyond that? | Jul 23 23:40 |
| schestowitz | true | Jul 23 23:40 |
| schestowitz | They said so | Jul 23 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Alan W told me | Jul 23 23:40 |
| schestowitz | *Adam | Jul 23 23:40 |
| schestowitz | He's in Fedora now | Jul 23 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | I should go check on that weed poison | Jul 23 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | I hosed down some poison ivy growing on the side of the house :P | Jul 23 23:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Very true, but then there is a fine line isnt there? Let me ask you this question..... | Jul 23 23:42 | |
| DaemonFC | it said you could see the plants start to die within 6 hours | Jul 23 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Your weed poison ends up in my water | Jul 23 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Some molecules of it | Jul 23 23:43 |
| schestowitz | So stop doin' weed! | Jul 23 23:43 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Jul 23 23:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz What would your opinion be if I took the src to a FOSS package. Rebadged it and released it as my own work (proprietary) | Jul 23 23:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz and didn't release the src...charging money for it. What would I be doing wrong? Who would be the victim? Whose ownership? | Jul 23 23:44 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin it's a poor analogy; it's like saying you want to take a heavily-shared (YouTubed?) track, turn it to an album and sell copies | Jul 23 23:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Of course we will both agree that is wrong, but why does it seem that there are "protections" for FOSS, but not for that | Jul 23 23:45 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.techdrivein.com/2010/07/how-to-install-firefox-40-beta-2-pre-in.html | Jul 23 23:45 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: How to Install Firefox 4.0 Beta 2 Pre in Ubuntu Lucid From Silverwave PPA(Monthly Updates Only) | Tech Drive-in .::. Size~: 39.63 KB | Jul 23 23:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz No its not. Im taking the src and using it without "permission" just like someone who downloads a music track unlawfully. | Jul 23 23:46 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin you suggest change in rules | Jul 23 23:46 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: is a homeopath now | Jul 23 23:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz But we have to have rules in everything. You have them on your comments sections (re: registered users only) | Jul 23 23:47 | |
| DaemonFC | I replaced schestowitz's water with 12X weed poison | Jul 23 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | lets see if he can taste the difference | Jul 23 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 23 23:47 |
| schestowitz | I'll eat your cat | Jul 23 23:48 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jul 23 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Alive..... right after I skin it bwahahah! | Jul 23 23:48 |
| *ender2070 (~ender2070@bas22-toronto12-2925103372.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #boycottnovell | Jul 23 23:48 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz I have them on my site (swearing is not tollerated) | Jul 23 23:48 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: according to the homeopaths, you can dilute something more than all the water on Earth can dilute it | Jul 23 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | somehow | Jul 23 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | water has this "memory" that they don't explain very well | Jul 23 23:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: or in the universe | Jul 23 23:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: "water memory" is a "fix" | Jul 23 23:50 |
| schestowitz | It's when the quacks can't defend what they do | Jul 23 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | when I piss in the toilet and flush it, then all the water on Earth is a mixture of my urine that's a billion times more potent than a homeopathic remedy | Jul 23 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 23 23:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin sharing is less about rules | Jul 23 23:50 | |
| schestowitz | So they either resort to quantum-waffle or this whole "memory" thing | Jul 23 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: is drinking a homeopathic mix of Round Up Weed Killer and my urine now | Jul 23 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | yummy | Jul 23 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Like people who say God can't be seen because [technowaffle] | Jul 23 23:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you do actually | Jul 23 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | everyone on Earth does | Jul 23 23:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz But just out of interest then, if I had done what I exampled...what would I be "guilty" of? | Jul 23 23:51 | |
| schestowitz | In your life you'll have one molecule that passed through the bladder of each past person | Jul 23 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | God can't be seen because his waffles are giving him technical difficulties? | Jul 23 23:52 |
| schestowitz | And none of your cells will stay in your body in some years (probably), even though you'll stay the same shape | Jul 23 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | that's the best explanation I've heard yet | Jul 23 23:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin you need to think further. Your recipeint/buyer will share | Jul 23 23:53 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I find it amusing that the British are so stupid that the NHS pays for homeopathic quackery | Jul 23 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | to the tune of about $5 billion USD per year | Jul 23 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | and your Queen swears by it | Jul 23 23:53 |
| schestowitz | http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=0jqP_1beVXQ | Jul 23 23:54 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- James Randi Lecture @ Caltech - Homeopathy .::. Size~: 99.07 KB | Jul 23 23:54 |
| schestowitz | I can't find this video where a Chines-American lady speaks nonsense about homeopathy | Jul 23 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | with the money your healthcare system spends on vials of water masquerading as medicine, you could build two Space Shuttles | Jul 23 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | every year | Jul 23 23:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Im sorry, Im not getting that. If I have taken the src of an Open source package and sold it as my own, what would you | Jul 23 23:55 | |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 23 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Like saying it can be the size of the universe of something | Jul 23 23:55 |
| schestowitz | You're like | Jul 23 23:55 |
| schestowitz | ,"ha? WAHAA?!! AAGH>....." | Jul 23 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | Your tax dollars at work | Jul 23 23:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz say I was doing wrong? | Jul 23 23:56 | |
| DaemonFC | that's the most collosally stupid thing I've ever heard of a government doing with money | Jul 23 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | the UK could have a small manned space program with the money it spends on bottled water pretending to be medicine | Jul 23 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 23:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin when you sell it, then it can still be shared. Only a fool would still buy it | Jul 23 23:57 | |
| schestowitz | Placebopathy | Jul 23 23:57 |
| ender2070 | just like the pills you're sometimes forced to take | Jul 23 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Long live your Queen! | Jul 23 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Long live your Queen! | Jul 23 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 23 23:58 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jul 23 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | she drinks little $5 billion bottles of water | Jul 23 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | she's more of a rockstar than anyone else on Earth | Jul 23 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 23 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Rockingchair yuo mean? | Jul 23 23:59 |
| schestowitz | I was in her palace last week | Jul 23 23:59 |
| ender2070 | so yeah, my working title for my non fiction book is called 'Marxist Canada: Illustrating Canada's Role in the New World Order' | Jul 23 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | why do you still have a monarchy | Jul 23 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | in your words? | Jul 23 23:59 |
| schestowitz | I might post photos later.... | Jul 23 23:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz a fool maybe...but I could adapt it with more features or merely release without src passing it off as my own.... | Jul 23 23:59 | |
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