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| schestowitz | > http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/networking/3262810/london-stock-exchange-in-crisis-meeting-with-market-data-vendors/ | Mar 01 06:17 |
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| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: London Stock Exchange in crisis meeting with market data vendors - ComputerworldUK.com .::. Size~: 89.61 KB | Mar 01 06:17 |
| schestowitz | > Roy, I wonder how much the LSE problems are, that might be attributed to | Mar 01 06:17 |
| schestowitz | > deliberate sabotage. | Mar 01 06:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 01 06:17 |
| schestowitz | > DRI experienced similar on Windows 3.1, ditto for WordPerfect on Windows | Mar 01 06:17 |
| schestowitz | > 95. | Mar 01 06:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 01 06:17 |
| schestowitz | > It would be interesting to find out the software programmer's | Mar 01 06:17 |
| schestowitz | > backgrounds. How many of them where the problems lie, were former M$ | Mar 01 06:17 |
| schestowitz | > programmers? | Mar 01 06:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 01 06:17 |
| schestowitz | > At this point it is speculation, but it would not surprise me given the | Mar 01 06:17 |
| schestowitz | > evangelism document. | Mar 01 06:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 01 06:17 |
| schestowitz | > Another jihad? | Mar 01 06:17 |
| schestowitz | @schestowitz http://ur1.ca/3d09a | Mar 01 06:17 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type | Mar 01 06:17 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/65681425 | Mar 01 06:18 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Not a dent? | Mar 01 06:18 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/65682206 https://identi.ca/notice/65689182 | Mar 01 06:21 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @George Hostler (ghostler)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Mar-11 00:08:59 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz "Education market in India for us [M$] ... threats from Linux ... I want to make this a big bet plan" http://ur1.ca/3d09a | Mar 01 06:21 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type | Mar 01 06:21 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @George Hostler (ghostler)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Mar-11 02:04:52 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz You're journalism is excellent on Microsoft excluded Linux / OpenOffice in India deal by lock-in contracts http://ur1.ca/3cuev | Mar 01 06:21 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: Microsoft’s EDGI in India: Fighting GNU/Linux in Education | Techrights .::. Size~: 132.94 KB | Mar 01 06:21 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/Ender2070/statuses/42365501917241344 | Mar 01 06:24 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @ender2070: Does #Techrights support the #nwo? I got unlisted for tagging #nwo stuff. '...Kooky...' says Roy | Mar 01 06:24 |
| schestowitz | It's not that. | Mar 01 06:24 |
| schestowitz | It's the constant adherence to climate disinformation | Mar 01 06:24 |
| MinceR | and not the constant trolling he does and expects to get away with? :> | Mar 01 06:24 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/65705967 | Mar 01 06:28 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @satipera (satipera)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Mar-11 06:19:11 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Morning Roy | Mar 01 06:28 |
| schestowitz | I overslept... | Mar 01 06:29 |
| schestowitz | "Must be just me, but I seem to attract the most interesting weirdos. Luckily I've pissed of Ender enough that he's staying away..." --Someone | Mar 01 06:29 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 01 06:31 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: ping | Mar 01 06:38 |
| qu1j0t3 | hi | Mar 01 06:38 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: I might be going ahead and start that company I told you about | Mar 01 06:43 |
| schestowitz | It seems like the right time now that the UK govt. promotes FOSS preference, no patents in standards, etc. | Mar 01 06:44 |
| schestowitz | Quadrescence showed some interest too | Mar 01 06:44 |
| qu1j0t3 | ok | Mar 01 06:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | i'm looking for new work | Mar 01 06:48 |
| qu1j0t3 | interviewing with a company here | Mar 01 06:48 |
| qu1j0t3 | but i'm undecided if i want it | Mar 01 06:48 |
| qu1j0t3 | i really want out of my current proj | Mar 01 06:48 |
| qu1j0t3 | i seem constantly to be faced with 2 bad options... however i am lucky to have work to start with :| | Mar 01 06:49 |
| schestowitz | Yes, esp. these days | Mar 01 06:53 |
| schestowitz | I have two jobs at the moment | Mar 01 06:53 |
| schestowitz | I like both, fortunately | Mar 01 06:54 |
| schestowitz | But I like doing my own thing too... sites... maybe a startup soon | Mar 01 06:54 |
| schestowitz | If you don't work as your 'boss', then you work for someone else, making someone else richer. That's capitalism | Mar 01 06:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | i've worked for crazy wealthy people... the problem is ... i smell danger signs in this opoprtunity i'm talking about :( | Mar 01 06:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's a very hard decision | Mar 01 06:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's also hard to say whether i'm being hypersensitive | Mar 01 06:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | i haven't had an offer yet, so the fretting is premature. but my attitude going in may affect whether i can get an offer. | Mar 01 06:59 |
| schestowitz | I always get jobs when I apply for any | Mar 01 07:00 |
| schestowitz | Since 2003 | Mar 01 07:00 |
| schestowitz | I can't think of an exception | Mar 01 07:00 |
| schestowitz | But I cancelled a few interviews | Mar 01 07:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | unfortunately that hasn't been the case here. on the other hand, i've had good jobs through word of mouth. | Mar 01 07:00 |
| schestowitz | E.g. when they set me up with an interview for a firm that developed for hedge funds | Mar 01 07:00 |
| schestowitz | I can't stand hedge funds | Mar 01 07:00 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: nepotism is another way | Mar 01 07:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | there's an 'adult content' site here with a very enthusiastic recruiter. | Mar 01 07:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | i could probably get that one. | Mar 01 07:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | they seem desperate. | Mar 01 07:01 |
| schestowitz | If you network with the right people you may need no formal interview, either | Mar 01 07:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: i know. | Mar 01 07:01 |
| schestowitz | And profs I know say the same | Mar 01 07:01 |
| schestowitz | it's not something you advertise | Mar 01 07:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: most of my career has been interview-free. however, times are different now....... | Mar 01 07:01 |
| schestowitz | But people like to hire people they already know | Mar 01 07:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | i don't have contacts here. | Mar 01 07:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | or many in my hometown, either.... | Mar 01 07:01 |
| schestowitz | Only if they can't find any, then they advertise outwardly | Mar 01 07:01 |
| schestowitz | Yes, times are different now | Mar 01 07:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: word of mouth is unlikely to save me at this point. i'm stuck with interviewing. | Mar 01 07:02 |
| schestowitz | But you can also make use of that by offering savings | Mar 01 07:02 |
| schestowitz | E.g. if you know how to deploy asterisk | Mar 01 07:02 |
| schestowitz | A while ago a friend set me up with interview for lecturer position | Mar 01 07:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | this is a very conservative town | Mar 01 07:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | the opportunities aren't interesting and the employers are inflexible. | Mar 01 07:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | i need to be in europe, really. | Mar 01 07:03 |
| schestowitz | But I canceled it because it was down in London. Other people got a job there because he too referred to them and recommended them | Mar 01 07:03 |
| schestowitz | That's how it works, but people are not supposed to say it | Mar 01 07:03 |
| schestowitz | Because it means they may not aim for best candidates | Mar 01 07:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | i knnow. | Mar 01 07:04 |
| schestowitz | Just a liabilty chain | Mar 01 07:04 |
| schestowitz | Like, John said Ruth was a good employee and now she's not, so John is in trouble | Mar 01 07:04 |
| *qu1j0t3 waves nite | Mar 01 07:14 | |
| schestowitz | 0/ | Mar 01 07:15 |
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| schestowitz | "Windows (@windowssmartpho) is now following your tweets (@schestowitz) on Twitter. " | Mar 01 08:34 |
| schestowitz | "Good morning, have you seen this ? :) http://t.co/wrW4hhN" | Mar 01 09:39 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found | Mar 01 09:39 |
| schestowitz | http://t.co/wrW4hhN | Mar 01 09:39 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: NYSE, Deutsche Borse merger places IT on the front line | ITworld .::. Size~: 95.76 KB | Mar 01 09:39 |
| schestowitz | I saw that... | Mar 01 09:39 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: about your contract find | Mar 01 10:19 |
| schestowitz | Anonymously I got; | Mar 01 10:19 |
| schestowitz | > From what I remember of the EULAs, they have tidbits buried in them which | Mar 01 10:19 |
| schestowitz | > put the user into having to defend M$. The full set of EULAs is hard to | Mar 01 10:19 |
| schestowitz | > get. | Mar 01 10:19 |
| schestowitz | It's not ready for quoting in a post | Mar 01 10:20 |
| schestowitz | need to verify claims | Mar 01 10:20 |
| gnufreex | I knew it. | Mar 01 10:21 |
| gnufreex | It is pretty strage how all MSFT employees think same | Mar 01 10:21 |
| gnufreex | It seems they legally have to | Mar 01 10:21 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: We are talking about MSFT employee agrement, right? | Mar 01 10:22 |
| schestowitz | yes | Mar 01 10:24 |
| schestowitz | Maybe we'll have evidence to make that publishable | Mar 01 10:25 |
| schestowitz | "not the best resource, but at least some info about it http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/27/china-jasmine-revolution-beijing-police " | Mar 01 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: China's jasmine revolution: police but no protesters line streets of Beijing | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 103.28 KB | Mar 01 11:29 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/42545322618126337 | Mar 01 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Metztli_IT: ♺ @schestowitz #Anonymous targets the brothers #Koch [& #oligarchs like them] attempting ‘to usurp American #Democracy’ http://ur1.ca/3cqjc | Mar 01 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: ‘Anonymous’ targets the brothers Koch, claiming attempts ‘to usurp American Democracy’ | The Raw Story .::. Size~: 52.06 KB | Mar 01 11:43 |
| schestowitz | 'If law fails CIA will assassinate Assange' - Reagan official | Mar 01 11:48 |
| schestowitz | "@thistleweb : just spotted, I can install Drupal 6 on the CPanel host, that was what's put the rebuilding of the !techbytes site on the backburner" | Mar 01 12:40 |
| schestowitz | Identica generally removes rogue accounts. | Mar 01 13:10 |
| schestowitz | This is good.. | Mar 01 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | > The Nokia situation is, on the face of it, not only 100% corrupt, but | Mar 01 13:11 |
| schestowitz | > almost certainly in breach of EU procurement law, which requires | Mar 01 13:11 |
| schestowitz | > contracts above a certain value to go out for tender - clearly this one | Mar 01 13:11 |
| schestowitz | > did not. I don't know, however, whether Nokia is incorporated inside, | Mar 01 13:11 |
| schestowitz | > or outside of, the EU. | Mar 01 13:11 |
| schestowitz | > I'm really not sure how Google are positioning themselves on Microsoft | Mar 01 13:12 |
| schestowitz | > at the moment, but I'm quite certain that MS are trying to forge a | Mar 01 13:12 |
| schestowitz | > future in mobility, as the death of the desktop is rapidly nearing | Mar 01 13:12 |
| schestowitz | > completion. | Mar 01 13:12 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/65741301 | Mar 01 13:48 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @identi.ca (michelenlared)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Mar-11 13:44:06 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Because the #EEUU #USA and the #ONU says nothing about the invasion of #Israel to #paelestina? | Mar 01 13:48 |
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| schestowitz | gnufreex: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTE0OQ | Mar 01 13:53 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: [Phoronix] Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Is Using X.Org Server 1.9 .::. Size~: 17.32 KB | Mar 01 13:53 |
| gnufreex | schestowtiz: I don't understand this... is apple going to make X their real window manager, or they are just updating their old X layer. | Mar 01 13:55 |
| gnufreex | You know they don't use X for wondow managing, do you? | Mar 01 13:56 |
| gnufreex | They have proprietary WM | Mar 01 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Mar 01 13:56 |
| schestowitz | So I wanted to see what you make of it | Mar 01 13:56 |
| schestowitz | X is their main rival | Mar 01 13:57 |
| schestowitz | Windows is dying, but X is still up there with unixes | Mar 01 13:57 |
| gnufreex | They use X only for compatibility, ie to be able to call thing UNIX | Mar 01 13:57 |
| schestowitz | http://goo.gl/OqaLq | Mar 01 13:57 |
| schestowitz | Also good | Mar 01 13:57 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: No matter what you call it, a rat is still a rat… at Talend blog .::. Size~: 60.8 KB | Mar 01 13:57 |
| gnufreex | I can't see from article if they are switching to X completely or just updating their regular crap | Mar 01 13:58 |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: Just updating there system. | Mar 01 13:59 |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: but they are picking up dri2 like features as well. | Mar 01 13:59 |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: so there system is coming more like wayland with X11 inside. | Mar 01 13:59 |
| gnufreex | So they are going to port DRI to mach, right? | Mar 01 13:59 |
| gnufreex | or to BSD layer? | Mar 01 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Note I said like features. | Mar 01 14:00 |
| gnufreex | Hmm... | Mar 01 14:00 |
| gnufreex | So then it is going to be in CoreVideo | Mar 01 14:00 |
| gnufreex | probably | Mar 01 14:00 |
| gnufreex | I was hoping they put it in BSD layer, under BSD license | Mar 01 14:01 |
| gnufreex | so HURD can pick it up | Mar 01 14:01 |
| gnufreex | HURD uses KGI still | Mar 01 14:01 |
| gnufreex | Except it is ported too user space | Mar 01 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Formal long term status is not 100 percent clear from apple yet. | Mar 01 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Apple has been giving back a lot of defect corrections to X11. | Mar 01 14:02 |
| gnufreex | They are completely crazy | Mar 01 14:02 |
| gnufreex | Sometimes they opensource stuff | Mar 01 14:02 |
| gnufreex | Usualy when it is useless | Mar 01 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Note the defect corrections have been fixing bugs on all platforms. | Mar 01 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Not just there own. | Mar 01 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Or when they have to | Mar 01 14:03 |
| schestowitz | khtml, darwin... | Mar 01 14:03 |
| oiaohm | MIT license stuff. schestowitz | Mar 01 14:03 |
| schestowitz | I know | Mar 01 14:03 |
| schestowitz | the latter is bsd | Mar 01 14:03 |
| oiaohm | So yes this is 1 time when Apple is truly being good. | Mar 01 14:03 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Mar 01 14:03 |
| gnufreex | I think they are contributing to X to save backporting | Mar 01 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Yes I know its rare. | Mar 01 14:04 |
| gnufreex | It is a bitch to backport stuff if they don't upstream patches. | Mar 01 14:04 |
| gnufreex | Duplicating work, etc | Mar 01 14:04 |
| gnufreex | and X is developing pretty fast this days | Mar 01 14:04 |
| oiaohm | Note project lead for x.org is currently Apple turn by the way. gnufreex | Mar 01 14:05 |
| gnufreex | so they can either give back or continue their obsolete fork forever | Mar 01 14:05 |
| oiaohm | So they have to be good. | Mar 01 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Its the natural X11 cycle each lead maintainer gets 2 to 4 years. But taking the maintainership required to agree to something. Apple case was current versions in OS X. | Mar 01 14:07 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: That link from Telend blog is good. | Mar 01 14:07 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Mar 01 14:09 |
| schestowitz | They could get trolled for saying the truth | Mar 01 14:09 |
| schestowitz | AlfreSCO doesn't like it when criticise their new startegy | Mar 01 14:09 |
| schestowitz | They used to be FOSS | Mar 01 14:09 |
| gnufreex | I am suprised they are getting it this good. | Mar 01 14:09 |
| schestowitz | They still want to be viewed as FOSS | Mar 01 14:09 |
| gnufreex | They are also OpenCore | Mar 01 14:09 |
| schestowitz | Proprietary | Mar 01 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Half pregnant.. | Mar 01 14:10 |
| gnufreex | yeah | Mar 01 14:10 |
| schestowitz | I argued over this with MySQL's CEO | Mar 01 14:10 |
| schestowitz | He's not in another 'half pregnant' company | Mar 01 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Eucalyptus | Mar 01 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Which smelled funny to me from its inception when I first wrote about it | Mar 01 14:11 |
| schestowitz | I couldn't get though to the source code | Mar 01 14:11 |
| schestowitz | Which got me worried.. | Mar 01 14:11 |
| schestowitz | Some FOSS companies got pulluted by Microsoft advisors | Mar 01 14:11 |
| schestowitz | Which told them how terrible the GPL is supposed to be... | Mar 01 14:12 |
| schestowitz | For example: | Mar 01 14:12 |
| schestowitz | !google techrights walli gplv3 | Mar 01 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [1] - Speculation: Who or What is Walli? (Or “How Microsoft Invades FOSS ... | http://techrights.org/2008/03/11/microsoft-invades-foss/ | Mar 01 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [2] - FSF | Techrights | http://techrights.org/category/fsf/ | Mar 01 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [3] - Wine | Techrights | http://techrights.org/category/wine/ | Mar 01 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [4] - OIN | Techrights | http://techrights.org/category/oin/ | Mar 01 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Or: | Mar 01 14:12 |
| schestowitz | !google techrights openbravo | Mar 01 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [1] - Openbravo Should Avoid VMware's Mistakes | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2009/02/02/openbravo-vmware-ms-inside/ | Mar 01 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [2] - 2011 February 28 | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/02/28/ | Mar 01 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [3] - 2009 May 25 | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2009/05/25/ | Mar 01 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [4] - Links 28/09/2009: Linux 2.6.32 @ RC1; Ubuntu 9.10 Outperforms ... | http://techrights.org/2009/09/28/ubuntu-outperforms-freebsd/ | Mar 01 14:12 |
| gnufreex | Yeah, but I don't get this. Do this Talend guy impies that he isn't a rat? | Mar 01 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Really I get highly sick of the anti LGPL people who turn up in wine forum/user mailing lists from time to time. | Mar 01 14:17 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: what's their beed? | Mar 01 14:18 |
| schestowitz | *beef | Mar 01 14:18 |
| gnufreex | Those are ones that attack everything GNU and want people to work for them for free and give them everything under BSD. | Mar 01 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Mostly that wine loader cannot be enbed inside closed source programs. | Mar 01 14:18 |
| gnufreex | Or even public domain, so they don't need to say who wrote it. | Mar 01 14:19 |
| oiaohm | With wine its a mixed beast. | Mar 01 14:19 |
| oiaohm | We get Mono developers who would love to be able to use wine to help them out of dll hell. | Mar 01 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Really those are non Novell people. | Mar 01 14:19 |
| gnufreex | Those are the ones | Mar 01 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Novell is forbin by there deal from working on wine. | Mar 01 14:20 |
| gnufreex | Yeah, but they are ideologicaly aligned with de Icaza | Mar 01 14:20 |
| oiaohm | de Icaza knows it cannot intergrate wine. | Mar 01 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Since it will be breach of deal if they do. | Mar 01 14:20 |
| gnufreex | How's that? | Mar 01 14:21 |
| oiaohm | People like to forget before the deal Novell was working on allowing wine to run Windows printer drivers on Linux. | Mar 01 14:22 |
| schestowitz | Oh, yeah.. | Mar 01 14:26 |
| oiaohm | As soon as Novell did the deal all worked ceased. | Mar 01 14:26 |
| gnufreex | So MSFT made them stay out of wine. | Mar 01 14:26 |
| gnufreex | Do you have more those funny threads with anti LGPL freaks? | Mar 01 14:27 |
| oiaohm | As far as we can tell. gnufreex Over night the only personal wine has had from the SUSE camp are external and own to OpenSuse | Mar 01 14:27 |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: really don't bother keeping track. | Mar 01 14:28 |
| oiaohm | I know a new one will turn up normally 12 months after the last. | Mar 01 14:28 |
| MinceR | gnufreex: i think crApple was only updating their rootless X server | Mar 01 15:02 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: MinceR: oiaohm: should there be posts tackling Apple in this case? | Mar 01 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe let it slide? | Mar 01 15:07 |
| schestowitz | it does not seem like high-level threat to FOSS | Mar 01 15:07 |
| MinceR | about what? | Mar 01 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Same with the LSE situation - we just don't know enough yet | Mar 01 15:08 |
| schestowitz | I have a lot of spare time today, so could do posts on it | Mar 01 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Yesterday I had enough time to breathe new life into my old laptop (now with fluxbox) | Mar 01 15:08 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: iX iServer | Mar 01 15:08 |
| gnufreex | I think Xorg project lead is revlolving, that is, it is mandatory to have apple lead at some point. | Mar 01 15:08 |
| gnufreex | Either that, or kick them out of project. | Mar 01 15:08 |
| schestowitz | They already lead in some sense | Mar 01 15:09 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: what is of interest about it? | Mar 01 15:09 |
| schestowitz | And I wrote about it | Mar 01 15:09 |
| gnufreex | Everyone gets to have leader for a while. | Mar 01 15:09 |
| schestowitz | !techrights x server apple gpl | Mar 01 15:09 |
| schestowitz | !google techrights x server apple gpl | Mar 01 15:09 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [1] - Eye on Apple: Monopolisation and GPL Violation | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2010/05/28/apple-vs-freedom-free-market/ | Mar 01 15:09 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [2] - Apple is Still Attacking GNU Linux and the GPL | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2010/09/10/apple-may-block-gcc-contribs/ | Mar 01 15:09 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [3] - How Apple Grabbed KHTML, Overrode It, Then Trademarked the Work ... | http://techrights.org/2010/05/28/webkit-trademark/ | Mar 01 15:09 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [4] - Apple Under Investigation for Competition Abuses in EU and US ... | http://techrights.org/2010/08/23/xorg-control-by-apple/ | Mar 01 15:09 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: like LF CTO? | Mar 01 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Many Novell leaders there | Mar 01 15:10 |
| schestowitz | The other thing is LSE | Mar 01 15:10 |
| schestowitz | I don't know if anyone has anything to suggest a Micromole is in the operations | Mar 01 15:10 |
| schestowitz | !google furse lse | Mar 01 15:10 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [1] - London Stock Exchange replaces Clara Furse with Lehman banker ... | http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/feb/13/clara-furse-london-stock-exchange | Mar 01 15:10 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [2] - Profile: Dame Clara Furse, outgoing chief executive of the London ... | http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/feb/13/dame-clara-furse-lse-profile | Mar 01 15:10 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [3] - Dame Clara Furse hands over London Stock Exchange baton - Times Online | http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article6329035.ece | Mar 01 15:10 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [4] - Furse's LSE Blows Out Macquarie Bank - Forbes.com | http://www.forbes.com/2005/12/09/furse-lse-macquarie-cx_cn_1209autofacescan01.html | Mar 01 15:10 |
| MinceR | oh, i see | Mar 01 15:10 |
| MinceR | that doesn't look good at all | Mar 01 15:10 |
| MinceR | but do you have new info to write an article about? | Mar 01 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Who is this ehman banker? | Mar 01 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Worth checking | Mar 01 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Lehman | Mar 01 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Remember Lehman? | Mar 01 15:11 |
| schestowitz | COllapse... | Mar 01 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Fraud | Mar 01 15:11 |
| schestowitz | No bailout | Mar 01 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Unlike the other, bigger criminals, with more revolving doors | Mar 01 15:11 |
| gnufreex | Elop can be called MacroMole | Mar 01 15:11 |
| schestowitz | !google lahman revolving doors | Mar 01 15:11 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [1] - Revolving Door: Robert D Lehman Employment Summary | OpenSecrets | http://www.opensecrets.org/revolving/rev_summary.php%3Fid%3D71390 | Mar 01 15:11 |
| gnufreex | He worked at Macromedia | Mar 01 15:11 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [2] - New ad: “Revolving Door” | Blog | Ted Strickland | http://www.tedstrickland.com/blog/entry/new_ad_revolving_door/ | Mar 01 15:11 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [3] - Campaign ad watch: Strickland, Revolving Door | Columbus Dispatch ... | http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/08/27/copy/ted-ad-gon9lfj1-1.html%3Fsid%3D101 | Mar 01 15:11 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [4] - Revolving Door: J.P. Morgan, Lehman, Aquiline - NYTimes.com | http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2007/03/26/revolving-door-jp-morgan-aquiline-ce-unterberg/ | Mar 01 15:11 |
| schestowitz | !google lehman revolving doors | Mar 01 15:11 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [1] - Revolving Door: Robert D Lehman Employment Summary | OpenSecrets | http://www.opensecrets.org/revolving/rev_summary.php%3Fid%3D71390 | Mar 01 15:11 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [2] - Revolving Door: Christopher M Lehman Employment Summary | OpenSecrets | http://www.opensecrets.org/revolving/rev_summary.php%3Fid%3D12870 | Mar 01 15:11 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [3] - Campaign ad watch: Strickland, Revolving Door | Columbus Dispatch ... | http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/08/27/copy/ted-ad-gon9lfj1-1.html%3Fsid%3D101 | Mar 01 15:11 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [4] - Revolving Door: J.P. Morgan, Lehman, Aquiline - NYTimes.com | http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2007/03/26/revolving-door-jp-morgan-aquiline-ce-unterberg/ | Mar 01 15:11 |
| gnufreex | sold it to Adobe | Mar 01 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Megamole | Mar 01 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Sounds better than macromole | Mar 01 15:12 |
| gnufreex | I must try that | Mar 01 15:12 |
| gnufreex | !google something | Mar 01 15:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [1] - Something. | http://www.something.com/ | Mar 01 15:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [2] - Something Awful: The Internet Makes You Stupid | http://www.somethingawful.com/ | Mar 01 15:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [3] - Something - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Something | Mar 01 15:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [4] - The Something Store: Buy Something at SomethingStore.com | http://www.somethingstore.com/ | Mar 01 15:12 |
| schestowitz | !google gnufreex | Mar 01 15:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [1] - gnufreex (gnufreex) on Twitter | http://twitter.com/gnufreex | Mar 01 15:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [2] - gnufreex - Identi.ca | http://identi.ca/gnufreex | Mar 01 15:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [3] - overview for gnufreex | http://www.reddit.com/user/gnufreex | Mar 01 15:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [4] - gnufreex's CNET Community Member Profile | http://www.cnet.com/profile/gnufreex/ | Mar 01 15:12 |
| schestowitz | !google MinceR | Mar 01 15:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [1] - Mincer's of Charlottesville has offered University of Virginia ... | http://www.mincers.com/ | Mar 01 15:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [2] - Urban Dictionary: mincer | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3Dmincer | Mar 01 15:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [3] - Amazon.com: Oxo Good Grips Herb Mincer: Kitchen & Dining | http://www.amazon.com/Oxo-Good-Grips-Herb-Mincer/dp/B001715PLA | Mar 01 15:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [4] - mincer - definition of mincer by the Free Online Dictionary ... | http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mincer | Mar 01 15:12 |
| schestowitz | !google oiaohm | Mar 01 15:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [1] - Oiaohm Battle Ground | http://oiaohm.blogspot.com/ | Mar 01 15:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [2] - iTWire - Linux Hater's Redux... dead? Long live... Oiaohm?! | http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/fuzzy-logic/22130-linux-haters-redux-dead-long-live-oiaohm | Mar 01 15:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [3] - Linux Today - Linux Hater's Redux... dead? Long live... Oiaohm?! | http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2008120800735NWCY | Mar 01 15:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [4] - MeeGo is Hijacked by the Mono Team | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2010/05/28/meego-dot-net/ | Mar 01 15:12 |
| oiaohm | Interesting google shows up stuff I have not touched for ages. | Mar 01 15:13 |
| schestowitz | !google schestowitz | Mar 01 15:13 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [1] - schestowitz.com | http://schestowitz.com/ | Mar 01 15:13 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [2] - Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz) on Twitter | http://twitter.com/schestowitz | Mar 01 15:13 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [3] - Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz) - Digg | http://digg.com/schestowitz | Mar 01 15:13 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [4] - Dr. Roy Schestowitz | Techrights | http://techrights.org/author/schestowitz/ | Mar 01 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I'm gonna be most prolific user in identica (aggregate) soon | Mar 01 15:14 |
| schestowitz | Spin/showoff: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTE1MQ | Mar 01 15:14 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: [Phoronix] Who Did The Most For X.Org Server 1.10? Oracle? .::. Size~: 17.62 KB | Mar 01 15:14 |
| schestowitz | SCOracLOL | Mar 01 15:14 |
| oiaohm | Not supprising really. | Mar 01 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Linus is cool | Mar 01 15:15 |
| schestowitz | http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2011/02/pearls-before-swine.html | Mar 01 15:15 |
| oiaohm | Orcale uses X.org internally a lot. | Mar 01 15:15 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Linus' blog: Pearls before swine.. .::. Size~: 124.49 KB | Mar 01 15:15 |
| schestowitz | I like his honesty: | Mar 01 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Linus: "I sit in my office (which used to be in the basement, now it's a room above the garage), usually in my ratty bathrobe, reading and writing email all day. And a lot of wasting time while waiting for people to answer or just report problems. I go to bed at ten, and wake up at seven to get the kids to school. And then it all repeats." | Mar 01 15:15 |
| schestowitz | "So me and the wife were completely out of our depth, and knew absolutely nobody. We go out for a date night every week, so we a fair number of movies, but we really aren't movie people - the kinds of movies we go to don't make a huge impression. So there we were, cram-packed with celebrities, not remembering names or faces." | Mar 01 15:16 |
| schestowitz | He adds his personal life to a personal blog | Mar 01 15:16 |
| schestowitz | Few people do that | Mar 01 15:16 |
| schestowitz | My site is mostly professional life, too. Maybe Linus *does* want to be a celebrity so he shares some personal details, but I doubt it. Celebs usually swin in PR and don't share personal life... and they do nothing really... just act to a script of someone else | Mar 01 15:17 |
| schestowitz | Celebs are not allowed to express political opinions that may be divisive | Mar 01 15:17 |
| schestowitz | Linus too | Mar 01 15:17 |
| schestowitz | I think Zemlin or him said something to that effect | Mar 01 15:18 |
| schestowitz | It sucks not being allowed to make a strong statement without someone being offended and threatening one's career | Mar 01 15:18 |
| gnufreex | Good morning | Mar 01 15:19 |
| gnufreex | Linus wants to be rich | Mar 01 15:19 |
| gnufreex | and to be famous | Mar 01 15:19 |
| gnufreex | and doesn't give a fick about "open source" or the world | Mar 01 15:19 |
| gnufreex | it is just selfish ego trip | Mar 01 15:19 |
| schestowitz | SOunds like Miguel | Mar 01 15:20 |
| gnufreex | Yeah. | Mar 01 15:20 |
| gnufreex | It sucks | Mar 01 15:20 |
| schestowitz | Vint Cerf said he wanted to be a movie star or something | Mar 01 15:20 |
| schestowitz | Quite daring to say so... | Mar 01 15:20 |
| schestowitz | I quite like Assange though | Mar 01 15:20 |
| schestowitz | For his philosophy | Mar 01 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Similar to my own | Mar 01 15:21 |
| schestowitz | He enjoys helping those who are troubles | Mar 01 15:21 |
| schestowitz | *troubled | Mar 01 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Mostly by knocking what he called "bastards" (usually super-rich bastards) | Mar 01 15:21 |
| schestowitz | By exposing what you do you can make a lot of difference | Mar 01 15:21 |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: History of Linus is not someone who wants to be famous. | Mar 01 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Even if the process seems to envolve a good deal of negativism (about bad people) | Mar 01 15:22 |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: Just happened to be in the right place at the right time person. | Mar 01 15:22 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: he's shy | Mar 01 15:22 |
| oiaohm | Now Miguel on the other hand. | Mar 01 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Maybe less than before these days, although he still claims to be shy | Mar 01 15:22 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: He found a way how he can be famous in subtle way: Slap his name on other people work | Mar 01 15:23 |
| oiaohm | Really linus when you watch him he does not like crowds. | Mar 01 15:23 |
| gnufreex | And say just: "People prefer to call it Linux" | Mar 01 15:23 |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: Linus did not create the name Linux | Mar 01 15:23 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: that's not his fault | Mar 01 15:23 |
| schestowitz | I don't fault him for it | Mar 01 15:23 |
| gnufreex | I don't beleive his story. | Mar 01 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Because, let's face it, it's not him who's supposed to demote himself | Mar 01 15:24 |
| gnufreex | I never saw that Lemke guy | Mar 01 15:24 |
| oiaohm | Linus Torvalds Unix was ment to be the name. gnufreex | Mar 01 15:24 |
| gnufreex | He never confirmed it. | Mar 01 15:24 |
| schestowitz | [15:23] <oiaohm> gnufreex: Linus did not create the name Linux | Mar 01 15:24 |
| schestowitz | He sort of did | Mar 01 15:24 |
| schestowitz | The FTP account | Mar 01 15:24 |
| schestowitz | But he didn't like the name IIRC | Mar 01 15:24 |
| schestowitz | His friend put it there despite what Linux said/felt | Mar 01 15:24 |
| MinceR | afaik Linus meant to call it Freax | Mar 01 15:24 |
| oiaohm | No FTP account was issued by the BBS master. | Mar 01 15:24 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: I bet he is now sad that he didn't get to slap full name | Mar 01 15:25 |
| oiaohm | Where Linux was first stored. | Mar 01 15:25 |
| gnufreex | "Linus Torvalds UNIX" would prove my point even better. | Mar 01 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Listen to the FLOSS Weekly interview with Linus from a year or so ago | Mar 01 15:25 |
| schestowitz | He also explained why GPL | Mar 01 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Some mate of his... Lars IIRC | Mar 01 15:25 |
| oiaohm | Linux Torvalds Unix was the working name. gnufreex | Mar 01 15:25 |
| oiaohm | Since early on that was exactly what it was. | Mar 01 15:25 |
| oiaohm | He was the only one submitting code to it. | Mar 01 15:26 |
| schestowitz | http://twit.tv/floss88 | Mar 01 15:26 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: The TWiT Netcast Network with Leo Laporte .::. Size~: 24.73 KB | Mar 01 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Linus interview about the roots of Linux (from 2009). A few shows before us.. http://twit.tv/floss91 | Mar 01 15:27 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: The TWiT Netcast Network with Leo Laporte .::. Size~: 24.63 KB | Mar 01 15:27 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: Like I said, that proves my point even better | Mar 01 15:28 |
| oiaohm | Now of course Linus knew that Linus Torvalds Unix was too nasty. So linus had created the more netural name Freax | Mar 01 15:28 |
| gnufreex | He wants his name all over the place. Nothing else matters. | Mar 01 15:28 |
| oiaohm | Once he had other submitters. | Mar 01 15:28 |
| oiaohm | Problem is people in charge of the ftp servers on the internet where Linux got uploaded. Went with the name Linux | Mar 01 15:29 |
| oiaohm | and it stuck ever since. | Mar 01 15:29 |
| gnufreex | And then he screwed those submiters and renamed back to his name. | Mar 01 15:29 |
| oiaohm | No | Mar 01 15:29 |
| gnufreex | Linux is just one letter away from Linus | Mar 01 15:30 |
| gnufreex | It is his name | Mar 01 15:30 |
| oiaohm | Ari Lemmke did not like the name freax | Mar 01 15:30 |
| schestowitz | !google Linus Pauling | Mar 01 15:30 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [1] - Linus Pauling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Pauling | Mar 01 15:30 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [2] - Linus Pauling - Biography | http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/chemistry/laureates/1954/pauling-bio.html | Mar 01 15:30 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [3] - Linus Pauling Institute at Oregon State University | http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/lpbio/lpbio2.html | Mar 01 15:30 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [4] - The Dark Side of Linus Pauling's Legacy | http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/pauling.html | Mar 01 15:30 |
| schestowitz | I think he was named after him or something | Mar 01 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Linus dad was a very political person and living around Russia had some impact. | Mar 01 15:30 |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: because freax when said sounded too much like phreaking | Mar 01 15:31 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: gnufreex didn't like his own name either | Mar 01 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Souns like "Freaks" | Mar 01 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it means GNU Free X | Mar 01 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Or GNU/Freax | Mar 01 15:31 |
| gnufreex | Exactly. | Mar 01 15:32 |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: Really Linus is not the best at naming things. | Mar 01 15:32 |
| oiaohm | take calling a source management system git. | Mar 01 15:32 |
| MinceR | i think both names turned out well | Mar 01 15:32 |
| schestowitz | He names two project after himself, he argues | Mar 01 15:32 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 01 15:32 |
| schestowitz | !google youtube linus google git | Mar 01 15:32 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [1] - YouTube - Tech Talk: Linus Torvalds on git | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D4XpnKHJAok8 | Mar 01 15:32 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [2] - YouTube - Git | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D8dhZ9BXQgc4 | Mar 01 15:32 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [3] - YouTube - Linus Torvalds - Horses Look Better Than Women - 2011 Linux | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DEydfL7dXiMM | Mar 01 15:32 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [4] - LinusTalk200705Transcript - Git SCM Wiki | https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/LinusTalk200705Transcript | Mar 01 15:32 |
| oiaohm | Ari Lemmke took it on himself back then to correct Linus lack of naming skill. | Mar 01 15:33 |
| oiaohm | We might have been better with git if someone else had named that nicer as well. | Mar 01 15:33 |
| gnufreex | Is there any confirmation from that Lemmke guy? | Mar 01 15:33 |
| gnufreex | I saw Torvalds using Lemmke as "he did it" | Mar 01 15:33 |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: From 3 locations | Mar 01 15:34 |
| oiaohm | One is Linus himself placed a forum complaint over the use of Linux the first time around. | Mar 01 15:34 |
| oiaohm | Because it was not what he had requested. | Mar 01 15:34 |
| oiaohm | Ari Lemmke has said it in person. | Mar 01 15:35 |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: Later, however, Torvalds consented to "Linux". This bit on the Linux wiki page. Leaves out that Linus only gave up on the idea of Freax 12 months down the track. | Mar 01 15:36 |
| gnufreex | Since Lemmke knew that first name was "Linus Torvalds UNIX", he knew that Torvalds would love to have his name all over the system. | Mar 01 15:37 |
| gnufreex | It is not a coincendence | Mar 01 15:37 |
| gnufreex | He satisfied his friends ego | Mar 01 15:37 |
| oiaohm | Lemmke never though Linus would take offence at Linux name. | Mar 01 15:37 |
| oiaohm | And Lemmke thought Linux was a better name than freax | Mar 01 15:38 |
| gnufreex | Offence? He loves it, and loves that he can say that someone else did it. | Mar 01 15:38 |
| gnufreex | So he can claim it is not his ego. | Mar 01 15:38 |
| oiaohm | Be aware Linus almost did get it changed to Freax | Mar 01 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Only arguements from Lemmke stopped that. | Mar 01 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Also people naming the first proto form of a OS after themselfs as a working name when they are working solo is was not even classed odd back then. gnufreex | Mar 01 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Normal process what to work so far then rename it to something common. | Mar 01 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Linus was following basically standard process. | Mar 01 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Lemmke screwed that up. | Mar 01 15:41 |
| oiaohm | But its a screwup that stuck. | Mar 01 15:41 |
| gnufreex | Calling what you did affter yourself is not so outrageous, but renaming other people's work is. | Mar 01 15:41 |
| gnufreex | Linux is just a kernel. | Mar 01 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Historically in the Unix world. Named based on kernel is common. | Mar 01 15:43 |
| oiaohm | Linux was not the first todo it. gnufreex | Mar 01 15:43 |
| gnufreex | What other? | Mar 01 15:43 |
| oiaohm | Most of the Unix's since most where there own kernel + BSD | Mar 01 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Yet with no mention of BSD in the name. | Mar 01 15:44 |
| gnufreex | No, it was SysV kernel + BSD | Mar 01 15:44 |
| oiaohm | AIX Solaris HPUX...... | Mar 01 15:44 |
| gnufreex | In fact | Mar 01 15:44 |
| gnufreex | There was other krenel | Mar 01 15:45 |
| oiaohm | Unix platform branding disreguards what the kernel is normally. | Mar 01 15:45 |
| oiaohm | With some exceptions. | Mar 01 15:45 |
| oiaohm | Really Following the Unix module. We could have end up with the platform named something nasty. | Mar 01 15:46 |
| gnufreex | Yeah, but which UNIX was named after a person. | Mar 01 15:48 |
| gnufreex | I mean kernel | Mar 01 15:48 |
| *qu1j0t3 can't think of a single one | Mar 01 15:48 | |
| gnufreex | I only know about Jolix. | Mar 01 15:48 |
| gnufreex | Which was BSD distro for i368 | Mar 01 15:48 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes, among the first | Mar 01 15:48 |
| gnufreex | And it was officialy BSD386 | Mar 01 15:48 |
| gnufreex | They just called it Jolix unoficially | Mar 01 15:48 |
| gnufreex | But that is not a kernel | Mar 01 15:49 |
| oiaohm | Also jolix is refering to first author as well. | Mar 01 15:49 |
| gnufreex | No | Mar 01 15:49 |
| gnufreex | It is affter Joltz | Mar 01 15:49 |
| gnufreex | That ported thing to 386 | Mar 01 15:49 |
| gnufreex | So it is pretty much outrageous | Mar 01 15:49 |
| gnufreex | It is not affter bill Joy | Mar 01 15:50 |
| gnufreex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/386BSD | Mar 01 15:50 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: 386BSD - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 36.69 KB | Mar 01 15:50 |
| oiaohm | 386BSD was written mainly by Berkeley alumni Lynne Jolitz and William Jolitz. | Mar 01 15:52 |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: Most of the Unix's were started by companies and unis. And yes you did see there name put first. | Mar 01 15:56 |
| schestowitz | LOL http://tinyogg.com/watch/xfpX0/ | Mar 01 15:57 |
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| gnufreex | I expect proprietary companies to be jerks | Mar 01 15:58 |
| MinceR | they keep proving you right | Mar 01 15:59 |
| oiaohm | It was the proprietary companies at the time setting the norm. | Mar 01 15:59 |
| gnufreex | But even companies renamed stuff because AT&T held trademark | Mar 01 15:59 |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: if Linux started today the odds of a non person name/entity name would be way higher. | Mar 01 16:00 |
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| gnufreex | conection broke | Mar 01 16:02 |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: if Linux started today the odds of a non person name/entity name would be way higher. | Mar 01 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Basically it was a time frame thing. If something did not have a person name or company name on it why should you trust it. Yes I know bad logic. | Mar 01 16:03 |
| gnufreex | But what had a person name? | Mar 01 16:04 |
| gnufreex | IRIX imagenary name | Mar 01 16:04 |
| gnufreex | Ultrix | Mar 01 16:04 |
| gnufreex | Also | Mar 01 16:04 |
| gnufreex | Solaris | Mar 01 16:04 |
| gnufreex | also | Mar 01 16:04 |
| gnufreex | SunOS maybe | Mar 01 16:04 |
| gnufreex | MacOS | Mar 01 16:04 |
| oiaohm | Most of those were labeled company first threw the 1980's | Mar 01 16:05 |
| oiaohm | Sun Solaris | Mar 01 16:06 |
| oiaohm | And so on. | Mar 01 16:06 |
| gnufreex | Yeah, but Torvalds didn't have company back than. | Mar 01 16:06 |
| gnufreex | Even propetary copanies renamed UNIX because AT&T held trademark. Torvalds did it to become famous. | Mar 01 16:06 |
| oiaohm | So he become treated as a sole trader. | Mar 01 16:06 |
| gnufreex | Most UNIXes was called UNIX | Mar 01 16:07 |
| gnufreex | HP UX | Mar 01 16:07 |
| gnufreex | DG UX | Mar 01 16:07 |
| oiaohm | By the end of the 80~ | Mar 01 16:07 |
| gnufreex | SGI had Silicon Graphics UNIX, and then they renamed IRIX when AT&T objected | Mar 01 16:08 |
| oiaohm | HP UX had merged into HPUX | Mar 01 16:08 |
| gnufreex | HP-UX | Mar 01 16:08 |
| oiaohm | Sorry to say. I have some books from 1989 with Hp advertising material in them. | Mar 01 16:08 |
| oiaohm | the - and the space had magically disappeared. | Mar 01 16:09 |
| gnufreex | Ok | Mar 01 16:09 |
| oiaohm | Reappeares 1992-1993 | Mar 01 16:09 |
| oiaohm | Its just that small time window when Linux formed that was strange. | Mar 01 16:10 |
| gnufreex | HPPA also | Mar 01 16:11 |
| oiaohm | Also is partly that HP UX, HP-UX, HP/UX, HPUX are all the same thing. | Mar 01 16:11 |
| MinceR | H-PUX | Mar 01 16:12 |
| MinceR | HP-SUX | Mar 01 16:12 |
| MinceR | http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/HP-SUX.html | Mar 01 16:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: HP-SUX .::. Size~: 2.56 KB | Mar 01 16:12 |
| oiaohm | And of course you would have to remember the insult forms. MinceR | Mar 01 16:12 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 01 16:13 |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: 1989-1992 naming was a confusing place. | Mar 01 16:13 |
| oiaohm | We have to be thankful we got something as sane as Linux. | Mar 01 16:13 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/IAPxd.jpg | Mar 01 16:13 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Mar 01 16:13 |
| oiaohm | as a name. | Mar 01 16:13 |
| oiaohm | HP must have wasted a millions reprinting advertising matterial for HP-UX | Mar 01 16:18 |
| oiaohm | With all its name spelling changes. | Mar 01 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | Just got this: "Adobe is back again http://is.gd/z4bpnr " | Mar 01 16:19 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Adobe Flash Player 11 "incubator" ready to download, packs 3D rendering muscle .::. Size~: 58.93 KB | Mar 01 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Back where? How? | Mar 01 16:19 |
| schestowitz | More blobs | Mar 01 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Hey, trmanco | Mar 01 16:19 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: should I install the latest bot source? | Mar 01 16:19 |
| schestowitz | The one I use is ~2 months old | Mar 01 16:20 |
| trmanco | yes, it should be stable enough | Mar 01 16:20 |
| schestowitz | OK.. hold on.. | Mar 01 16:21 |
| trmanco | if not, you can always revert | Mar 01 16:21 |
| trmanco | you can save the config file and then replace it in the source's package | Mar 01 16:22 |
| trmanco | brb | Mar 01 16:22 |
| schestowitz | https://bitbucket.org/trmanco/phirce/ | Mar 01 16:23 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: trmanco / phIRCe / overview – Bitbucket .::. Size~: 33.08 KB | Mar 01 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Wait, should the configs not be outside the body now? | Mar 01 16:23 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: qu1j0t3 had separated them into files the last time | Mar 01 16:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | no | Mar 01 16:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | i didn't change structure | Mar 01 16:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Mark_Antony/status/42611633515802624 | Mar 01 16:24 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Mark_Antony: @schestowitz I expect the various governments improving the situation left by EIF2 has come as a bit of an affront to them... | Mar 01 16:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | they were already separated | Mar 01 16:24 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: so I can just replace one file w/o configs? | Mar 01 16:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | the Class file yes | Mar 01 16:24 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: ah, I see | Mar 01 16:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | same as before | Mar 01 16:24 |
| schestowitz | So I used an old version | Mar 01 16:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/42613833247883264 | Mar 01 16:25 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @agente_smithe: @schestowitz Wrong link. "Recalling Sun's legacy" is what shows up. | Mar 01 16:25 |
| schestowitz | oops, slipped a wrong URL in there... | Mar 01 16:25 |
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| trmanco | yeah, they are | Mar 01 16:28 |
| trmanco | I split them 1 year ago | Mar 01 16:29 |
| schestowitz | what to do? Which file to slip in? | Mar 01 16:29 |
| trmanco | do you have a conig.php file? | Mar 01 16:29 |
| trmanco | config* | Mar 01 16:29 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Mar 01 16:32 |
| trmanco | ok so, save in some other place | Mar 01 16:32 |
| trmanco | grab the whole source package | Mar 01 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Is thee a URL I can just wget into the server? | Mar 01 16:33 |
| trmanco | then overwrite | Mar 01 16:33 |
| schestowitz | That's how I upgrade WP | Mar 01 16:33 |
| schestowitz | Did you not change just one file? | Mar 01 16:33 |
| trmanco | wget https://bitbucket.org/trmanco/phirce/get/tip.tar.gz | Mar 01 16:33 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Not a web page! Aborting application/x-tar-gz; charset=utf-8 type | Mar 01 16:33 |
| trmanco | 2 files | Mar 01 16:34 |
| trmanco | actually, 3 | Mar 01 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Mar 01 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Many new files... https://bitbucket.org/trmanco/phirce/src | Mar 01 16:34 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: trmanco / phIRCe / source – Bitbucket .::. Size~: 21.45 KB | Mar 01 16:34 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 01 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Yesterday, we asked you to email Sony CEO, Howard Stringer about Sony's attacks on hackers. | Mar 01 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Techeye reports that Sony's CEO has turned off his email address as a result of our campaign. Emails to Howard Stringer are now bouncing. | Mar 01 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Let's email Nicole Seligman, Executive VP and General Counsel at Sony. | Mar 01 16:37 |
| schestowitz | nicole.seligman@am.sony.com -- as always, please BCC or CC us on emails! | Mar 01 16:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 01 16:37 |
| schestowitz | TechrightsBot-sc: I'm deleting config and overwriting, OK? | Mar 01 16:43 |
| schestowitz | trmanco I meant | Mar 01 16:43 |
| trmanco | you save you actual config.php | Mar 01 16:44 |
| trmanco | and then overwrite the one that comes with the bot's package | Mar 01 16:44 |
| trmanco | your* | Mar 01 16:44 |
| trmanco | just like updating wordpress :P | Mar 01 16:44 |
| schestowitz | [@techrights trmanco-phirce-5394ec29a6d1]# rm config.php | Mar 01 16:45 |
| schestowitz | rm: remove regular file `config.php'? y | Mar 01 16:45 |
| schestowitz | [@techrights trmanco-phirce-5394ec29a6d1]# cp -r * .. | Mar 01 16:45 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: not necesssarily | Mar 01 16:45 |
| schestowitz | You can just omit by deleting the template stuff | Mar 01 16:45 |
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| schestowitz | Seems OK | Mar 01 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Tested it in one of 4 channels that have it | Mar 01 16:49 |
| schestowitz | I'll bring it in | Mar 01 16:49 |
| trmanco | cool | Mar 01 16:50 |
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| TechrightsBot-sc | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-sc running phIRCe v0.53 | Mar 01 16:51 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Main Page - Techrights .::. Size~: 37.9 KB | Mar 01 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Is this the right version? | Mar 01 16:51 |
| schestowitz | I don't know what's new in it | Mar 01 16:51 |
| schestowitz | But I see "CHANGELOG" | Mar 01 16:51 |
| trmanco | yeah | Mar 01 16:52 |
| trmanco | that's the most recent | Mar 01 16:52 |
| trmanco | if you want to see and up-to-date changelog, see commit log | Mar 01 16:52 |
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| Tcl interface unloaded | Mar 01 17:42 | |
| Python interface unloaded | Mar 01 17:42 | |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Mar 01 17:46 | |
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| MinceR | (flash) (video) (audio) http://www.colbertnation.com/full-episodes/wed-february-23-2011-stephanie-coontz | Mar 01 20:44 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: February 23, 2011 - Stephanie Coontz - The Colbert Report - Full Episode Video | Comedy Central .::. Size~: 43.28 KB | Mar 01 20:44 |
| MinceR | (flash) (video) (audio) http://www.colbertnation.com/full-episodes/thu-february-24-2011-mike-huckabee | Mar 01 20:53 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: February 24, 2011 - Mike Huckabee - The Colbert Report - Full Episode Video | Comedy Central .::. Size~: 43.15 KB | Mar 01 20:53 |
| schestowitz | 20 mins? | Mar 01 20:53 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 01 20:53 |
| schestowitz | I don't like this | Mar 01 20:53 |
| schestowitz | It's MSM | Mar 01 20:53 |
| schestowitz | I like some of his jokes | Mar 01 20:53 |
| MinceR | the second one discusses wikileaks, anonymous and hbgary :> | Mar 01 20:53 |
| MinceR | the first one has an "anarchist" and what poilce did to him | Mar 01 20:54 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I saw it | Mar 01 20:54 |
| schestowitz | I was benchpressing | Mar 01 20:54 |
| schestowitz | And the TV was on... | Mar 01 20:54 |
| schestowitz | But it's the rare occasion when I might be near a TV that's on | Mar 01 20:54 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 01 20:55 |
| schestowitz | which minute for the anarchist thing? | Mar 01 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Cape, police car, fire,g20, nwo, beAfraid... | Mar 01 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Anarchy!=DIsorder is the title of some new Linux-related blog | Mar 01 20:55 |
| MinceR | didn't check | Mar 01 20:55 |
| MinceR | http://loneyinfermo.com/?id=50 | Mar 01 21:53 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: The Loney Infermo - God FAIL .::. Size~: 5.29 KB | Mar 01 21:53 |
| schestowitz | LMAO | Mar 01 21:55 |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Mar 01 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | 0/ | Mar 01 23:19 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: hi | Mar 01 23:21 |
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