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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Mohan P Ram (mohanpram)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Jul-11 22:44:33 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz looking forward to FF having that built in :) | Jul 07 00:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @nj3ma: @eebrah If you can, get on IRC. --- Been there! you don't respond to hailing. | Jul 07 00:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @x11r5 @sandersch Is on the table. Hey! Hey! Hey! We eat there | Jul 07 00:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] just added a personal slogan to !identicurse: "But does it have lightsabers?" (thank you @mo6020) | Jul 07 00:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] @nj3ma Devices > Install Guest Addons | Jul 07 00:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] #WW The first in my directory of #WritersWorthReading Work of talented !SelfPub writers online #TweetTheList http://ur1.ca/4nhdr !Write | Jul 07 00:12 | |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: ep out! | Jul 07 00:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Changed the gmail inbox theme to "Preview". Fresh Clean and Simple | Jul 07 00:27 | |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: wow...that was quick!! | Jul 07 00:30 |
| ThistleWeb | there's a dirty joke in there, but I'm not gonna make it ;P | Jul 07 00:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !TechBytes Episode 54: Patents Against Android Again http://ur1.ca/4nhhg http://ur1.ca/4nhhh #swpats #samsung #microsoft #linux | Jul 07 00:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] #TechBytes Episode 54: Patents Against Android Again http://ur1.ca/4nhhg http://ur1.ca/4nhhh android china taiwan sony ps3 | Jul 07 00:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bytesmedia/@bytesmedia] #TechBytes Episode 54: Patents Against Android Again http://ur1.ca/4nhhg http://ur1.ca/4nhhh | Jul 07 00:31 | |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: because tracks were few (1) | Jul 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz | gn | Jul 07 00:31 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/78219763 | Jul 07 00:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Mohan P Ram (mohanpram)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Jul-11 23:23:46 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz it's as if they are the mafia and they are doing rackteering | Jul 07 00:31 |
| _Goblin | gn | Jul 07 00:33 |
| _Goblin | my notes are about 10 mins away | Jul 07 00:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Stop the Southern Ontario quarry: http://www.avaaz.org/en/stop_the_quarry/?vl #quarry #water #pollution | Jul 07 00:39 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] We r looking for Ericsson Screen Phone HS210 for #linuxcon gallery. If u have one and want to share it for special occasion, let us know. | Jul 07 00:41 | |
| _Goblin | Schestowitz: http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2011/07/06/techbytes-audiocast-%E2%80%93-episode-54-%E2%80%93-070711-%E2%80%93-gimme-some-money/ | Jul 07 00:41 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] TechBytes Audiocast – Episode 54 – 07/07/11 – “Gimme some money!” http://is.gd/caHEnJ !techbytes | Jul 07 00:42 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: TechBytes Audiocast – Episode 54 – 07/07/11 – “Gimme some money!” « OpenBytes .::. Size~: 36.81 KB | Jul 07 00:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] I think Zune answered that ur1.ca/0kgp ♻ @whirledsol: What happens to Microsoft Office 365 on a leap year? | Jul 07 00:44 | |
| DaemonFC | Office 365 1/4 was just too much to ask | Jul 07 00:45 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I may just have done my most subversive #HPR yet :D Just waiting on it encoding to check the content quality, before doing the release edit | Jul 07 00:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Better times: Full alleged Bradley Manning chat logs with friend http://t.co/ZrGQJgc | Jul 07 01:11 | |
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| ThistleWeb | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWQabdnwEDc << Linux Mint advert made by Roken from the Mint community, with yours truly as the voice over | Jul 07 01:16 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #LinuxMint commercial made by Roken from the community, with me as the voiceover http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWQabdnwEDc | Jul 07 01:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Got into #GooglePlus, not seeing what all the fuss is about. | Jul 07 01:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange: 4 days until extradition case, 212 days under house arrest http://t.co/chQGGcP | Jul 07 01:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fabsh ooh I think I'll use that last one | Jul 07 01:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @glynmoody: The Huffington Post UK nets Tony #Blair as unpaid blogger - http://tnw.co/nWDWW7 oh, I've suddenly lost interest in #huffpouk | Jul 07 01:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @crosbie: The advantage anti-#copyright campaigners have over © supporters is that they can freely use each others' work. | Jul 07 01:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @CJCherryh: Working, working, took a little time off to go out & feed the fishes, who have picked a 97 degree day http://bit.ly/qWY5O3 | Jul 07 01:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @DalekCaan_: DAVROS has the ability to HACK your PHONE. #DALEKfactorfiction #doctorwho | Jul 07 01:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks readies suit against card companies over economic blockade http://t.co/LMG5AMv | Jul 07 01:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Err.... will this work now ? | Jul 07 02:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @brashley46: ♺ @CanadaBoatGaza: Reminder that @LiveFlotilla is fake account | Jul 07 02:29 | |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is now #3 on Distrowatch if you look at last 7 days | Jul 07 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | PCLinuxOS and Mint are ahead | Jul 07 02:37 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[funtoo/@funtoo] #python coder? The #funtoo portage tree now has updated versions of #sqlalchemy | Jul 07 02:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @rsandu: #POLL: Is #Microsoft right to demand cash from #Android phone makers? http://tinyurl.com/6xg7y5e #gnu #linux #software #mobile | Jul 07 02:39 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Report: Microsoft wants $15 from Samsung for every Android handset made | ZDNet .::. Size~: 144.77 KB | Jul 07 02:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jordigh/@jordigh] Having a blast in Mtl, learning more about image processing with !Octave | Jul 07 02:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @schestowitz: Report: #Microsoft Wants $15 for Each Android Phone Sold, Without Contributing any Code http://ur1.ca/4ng4y #swpats | Jul 07 02:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @eebrah: #XUbuntu 10.04 on a P3, 1Ghz PC with 256 MiB of RAM -- running rather well | Jul 07 03:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] XUbuntu has got to scare Microsoft silly, just like Fedora XFCE edition. | Jul 07 03:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] Linguine with toasted pine nuts, fresh tomatoes, basil from the window sill, parsley, and kalamata olives. | Jul 07 03:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] !GNU Awk v4.0.0 is out! I use Awk every day. Very encouraging to see that this old-timer is still breaking new ground! http://ur1.ca/4nkfy | Jul 07 03:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] What is the Russian terminology for "settings" and "change language"? | Jul 07 03:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] “The Book is on the Table”, na edição 27 da @revistaespiritolivre http://fsfla.org/blogs/lxo/pub/book-on-the-table | Jul 07 04:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] KW Record: Our hidden country legend: Lynn Russwurm has been performing locally and selling music for 60 years http://ur1.ca/4nkp5 | Jul 07 04:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Dead soldiers' families 'hacked by newspaper' http://is.gd/v1QqhB it's no longer a surprise how low #NoW will stoop | Jul 07 04:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] oh shit! thanks @jonkulp, I just checked my email! | Jul 07 05:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #5live are on another round of #p2p #MPAA etc propaganda again, spewing all the same "facts" about job loses etc it's on & off all morning | Jul 07 06:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] they've already had "the expert"; a #FACT employee on to give his analysis | Jul 07 06:21 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/tlajtoani/status/88823528727654400 | Jul 07 06:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @tlajtoani: @FOSSpatents @schestowitz In Mexico we say "El que nada debe, nada teme". I'm sorry :( | Jul 07 06:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !TechBytes Episode 54 Show Notes Are Out http://ur1.ca/4nljj Patent Extortion, Economy Shifting, Tablets Lacking http://ur1.ca/4nljk | Jul 07 06:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] #TechBytes Episode 54 Show Notes Are Out http://ur1.ca/4nljj Patent Extortion, Economy Shifting, Tablets Lacking http://ur1.ca/4nljk | Jul 07 06:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bytesmedia/@bytesmedia] TechBytes Episode 54 Show Notes Are Out http://ur1.ca/4nljj Patent Extortion, Economy Shifting, Tablets Lacking http://ur1.ca/4nljk | Jul 07 06:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @cer David Cameron and the Chipping Norton Set: phonehacking #notw. Annals of the #kleptocracy | Jul 07 07:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] download 2nd part of Assange and Žižek http://ur1.ca/4nlna 1st http://ur1.ca/4nlnb transcript http://ur1.ca/4n4e3 !wikileaks | Jul 07 07:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] cue the #Now hollow "support the troops" #PR campaign, in a blatant attempt to keep some readers among families after hacking their phones | Jul 07 07:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I'd be surprised if #NoW don't have people tasked with shredding any documentation that could be used in court against them #Enron style | Jul 07 07:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] !5live p2p part starting now | Jul 07 07:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the #FACT dude spewing the old "this is theft" line | Jul 07 07:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "the industry is constantly looking at new business models" - yeah, and being totally baffled at all of them then dismissing them | Jul 07 07:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] petition: Help !Jamendo Support Artists' Interests! http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/help_jamendo_support_artists_interests/ | Jul 07 07:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good morning @marjoleink | Jul 07 07:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] GUARDIAN: News of the World phone hacking: live coverage http://ur1.ca/4nlq6 ... I've been off the grid... surprised #NOTW is still around | Jul 07 07:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Gods I'm tired. This work day will be #suboptimal. | Jul 07 07:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Fears grow for lawyer of woman in #Iran stoning case http://is.gd/mhGCg3 | Jul 07 07:26 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Fears grow for lawyer of woman in Iran stoning case | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 94.72 KB | Jul 07 07:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] This #NHS U-turn was a fake http://is.gd/cvn7hX | Jul 07 07:32 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: This NHS U-turn was a fake | Jacqueline Davis | Comment is free | The Guardian .::. Size~: 230.41 KB | Jul 07 07:32 |
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| schestowitz | Morning... | Jul 07 07:39 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Showoff! [gif] http://ur1.ca/4nlv9 | Jul 07 07:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] momento poesia nerd: meu jardim terá uma rede / pendurada em dois ipês / bons pro SLIP em banda larga: / ipê v4 e v6 | Jul 07 07:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #FoxNews & #NOTW both #Murdoch "news" organisations, both institutionalised scum, both have a negative influece over voters in a #democracy | Jul 07 07:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @laurelrusswurm: @thistleweb this is good: rd @bloggerheads Boycott Murdoch: #NOTW (short email to relevant advertisers) http://ur1.ca/4nl | Jul 07 07:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Could you do Linus "Linux" Torvalds job? http://ur1.ca/4nlvd "At $500 US through July 8th and $600 thereafter, that’s a nice discount." | Jul 07 07:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @tom_watson Nearly 1800 people have joined the "Boycott News of the World" !Facebook group: http://on.fb.me/ko2Dpx | Jul 07 07:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @thistleweb #FoxNews & #NOTW both #Murdoch "news" organisations, both institutionalised scum, both have a negative influece over vote ... | Jul 07 07:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Centos 6.0 will be released in the next few hours http://ur1.ca/4nlx3 "on the way to the QA machines & synced out to the internal mirrors" | Jul 07 07:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @notwnomore Write to Hunt and Cameron @Number10gov to stop #Murdoch's #media takeover! #hacking #notw #milly avaaz.org/en | Jul 07 07:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] OpenOffice – splits and pirouettes http://ur1.ca/4nlxn from an excellent author. #libreoffice #oracle #openoffice | Jul 07 07:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @x11r5 @speeddefrost So is the first to walk my dog and butter dish with some coppers in | Jul 07 07:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz OpenOffice – splits and pirouettes http://ur1.ca/4nlxn from an excellent author. #libreoffice #oracle #openoffice | Jul 07 08:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Bryan Lunduke is trolling Linux Outlaws now. Join the Club, !lo http://ur1.ca/4nlz0 http://ur1.ca/4nlz2 | Jul 07 08:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Here is the context of it: http://ur1.ca/4nlz9 http://ur1.ca/4nlz9 by being inflammatory this is what they get into | Jul 07 08:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Lunduke: 'Linux Outlaw’s Fab: “the thing the Nazis did at Auschwitz was mostly aimed at nose shapes”' | Jul 07 08:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] When did provocation become a method for doing a show? Is it Beck, is it Limbaugh, or is it Stern? | Jul 07 08:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] It's official: Spotify is coming to the U.S. http://ur1.ca/4nm0p another business model, a more decent one | Jul 07 08:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[danebod/@danebod] Heute 18 Uhr Ruhr Uni #Bochum Vortrag zu !Fracking http://bit.ly/nOkRVV !Umwelt !ppd !Piratennrw !nrw | Jul 07 08:11 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: It's official: Spotify is coming to the U.S. | ZDNet .::. Size~: 110.25 KB | Jul 07 08:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bochum: Vortrag an der Ruhr-Uni zu „Unkonventionelle Gasförderung u.a. im Münsterland“ | GreenAction .::. Size~: 30.98 KB | Jul 07 08:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Interview with Poole from Desura http://ur1.ca/4nm15 "Lugaru became open source not too long ago, resulting in some interesting ports" | Jul 07 08:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 10 Popular Real Time Strategy(RTS) #Games for #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/4nm1b | Jul 07 08:12 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Interview with Keith Poole from Desura Part 3 | Gaming On Linux .::. Size~: 27.31 KB | Jul 07 08:12 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !InconstantMoon serialization posted http://ur1.ca/4nm1t ... sorry for being a day late ... I'll get the next one up first thing !SelfPub | Jul 07 08:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft still makes the Web Windows-only, for lock-in http://ur1.ca/4nm2r why Office is dying... Google would at least work with all OSes | Jul 07 08:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @wildcard Just be careful... those things are dangerous. | Jul 07 08:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] anyone else having #Mollom freak out with errors on #Drupal7 when trying to approve a comment? or just me | Jul 07 08:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Good night !Identiverse | Jul 07 08:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Eugeni Dodonov Sails Away, Quits #Mandriva http://ur1.ca/4nm3h maybe he can help !mageia now | Jul 07 08:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Nouveau Driver Power Management Against The NVIDIA Blob http://ur1.ca/4nm41 putting numbers on what was speculated about | Jul 07 08:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] If MSFT wants 15$ per Android and Google claims 500k activations/day, MSFT is looking at collecting 7.5M/day. #justsayin | Jul 07 08:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] GNU/Linux is out Java/Linux is in. http://ur1.ca/4nm47 better summary would be: GNU/Linux is in, Dalvik/Linux leaps forward | Jul 07 08:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] If ggole claims 500k Android activation/day, every 36 days they activate Apples iPhone year production of 18M iPhones. #justsayin | Jul 07 08:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @nitro Smart data structures and dumb code works alot better than the other way around. -- Eric S. Raymond !q | Jul 07 08:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Red Hat Previews JBoss Application Server 7 http://ur1.ca/4nm6l "an opportunity to see the future of Red Hat's middleware server tech..." | Jul 07 08:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @QSpotN900: Latest #QSpot 0.9.2-5 finally available from maemo.org Extras repository #n900 #maemo | Jul 07 08:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] And I'm off, today is #CheezburgrThursday | Jul 07 08:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] I can give talk on SchoolOS remixing on Saturday at Delhi ! contact me if you want to join SchoolOS workshop on my email id | Jul 07 08:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Networking http://molo.me/p/7yZWBa | Jul 07 08:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @vanden Beware the man of one book. | Jul 07 08:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laforge/@laforge] At the boundary between #gsm L1 and L2 in the #BTS you sometimes need to peek into Layer 3 to be spec compliant. What a hack. | Jul 07 08:57 | |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/88871382691233792?iid=am-27825118013100235637284251&nid=4&uid=26603208 | Jul 07 08:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz got in touch with gbrainy developer, asked about the future as novell is sold. He replied, "I don't comment on FUD". Really? | Jul 07 08:58 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/88872906641244160?iid=am-8072429913100239270026310&nid=4&uid=26603208 | Jul 07 08:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz http://bit.ly/r4q4MY just to grab eyeballs. Logics are invalid. Ubuntu, RHEL, CentOS is also common names just like Android. | Jul 07 08:58 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but the author didn't mean to. I know Shane.. | Jul 07 08:59 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/richslxh/status/88873737855844352 | Jul 07 09:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @richslxh: RT @schestowitz Bryan Lunduke is trolling Linux Outlaws now. Join the Club, #lo http://ur1.ca/4nlz0 http://ur1.ca/4nlz2 | Jul 07 09:00 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/richslxh/status/88876662862790656 | Jul 07 09:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @richslxh: @schestowitz Nice post. Shared allover the socialverse. PS: Stumbleupon button "page doesn't exist". Slashdot "Bookmarking stopped". | Jul 07 09:00 |
| schestowitz | Wow. Indeed. That WordPress plugin might have updates. I will check.. | Jul 07 09:01 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/78250485 | Jul 07 09:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Twisted Lucidity (lucidlytwisted)'s status on Thursday, 07-Jul-11 07:53:36 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz: !lo He has posted an apology. Dunno if he has spoken to @fabsh or @methoddan http://lunduke.com/?p=1777 | Jul 07 09:02 |
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| schestowitz | I've seen that before. | Jul 07 09:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: Amazon to offer unlimited space for music [limited time only] http://goo.gl/SJFe1 !android | Jul 07 09:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @richslxh Wow. Indeed. That WordPress plugin might have updates. I will check.. | Jul 07 09:02 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Androinica » Amazon to offer unlimited space for music [limited time only] .::. Size~: 48.19 KB | Jul 07 09:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Søren Bredlund Caspersen: The two greatest things about Google+ (with kittens!) http://goo.gl/SMubh !googleplus | Jul 07 09:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just had a 2nd go at my subversive #HPR ep, I "think" that one was considerably better, maybe a tad long but will see after it encodes | Jul 07 09:04 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The two greatest things about Google+ | Søren C's blog .::. Size~: 31.51 KB | Jul 07 09:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] well, 2nd complete go, had plenty of false starts, same as last night, I do these in single unedited takes from start to finish | Jul 07 09:06 | |
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| schestowitz | I've just removed 3 deprecated buttons. The plugin has no updates to fix these. | Jul 07 09:08 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/88882073141657600?iid=am-156194753213100261123253787&nid=4&uid=26603208 | Jul 07 09:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz that's what I always share my thoughts with you as I don't know who is friend and who is foe. Its getting too complicated. :( | Jul 07 09:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @qole: On that note: Busybox 1.18 with all Maemo patches available for N900. For more info, see: http://t.co/KjH8GgG #N900 #Maemo | Jul 07 09:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @zwyback How long can #Google and !Android afford to remain silent on patents? - http://b1t.it/pXg | Jul 07 09:11 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Editorial: How long can Google and Android afford to remain silent on patents? | Android Central .::. Size~: 180.47 KB | Jul 07 09:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] CORRECTION: with 500k activations a day, Android tops Apples *quarterly* produced iPhones (18M) every 36 days. #justsayin | Jul 07 09:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] In http://h-online.com/-1229981 (#2) I wrote "[…] offered a Git usage tip which might be useful to Kernel Log readers[…]" The whole truth: … | Jul 07 09:19 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Kernel Log: native KVM tool, new kernels galore - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 44.12 KB | Jul 07 09:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] … The most important reason I wrote it: Be able to find it myself when I need it (which obviously was the case just a few minutes ago ;-) ) | Jul 07 09:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Why is it that mobile data traffic, when traveling, has to be so #expensive 25 DKK for each Mb is insane, it's binary folks!!! | Jul 07 09:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Quite shure @fabsh will love this http://minecraftprint.com/#gallery and will bug me to print stuff once my #reprap is running ;-) | Jul 07 09:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Just been assigned some papers to peer-review, so probably won't be denting much this week... | Jul 07 09:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @jwildeboer: Quite shure @fabsh will love this http://minecraftprint.com/#gallery and will bug me to print stuff once my #reprap is runnin | Jul 07 09:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Let's print the whole fucking !Miners server. :D http://minecraftprint.com | Jul 07 09:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] #TwimGo updated to 2.9.0 and #QMLTube to 1.0.3 in Extra-Devel #N900 #Maemo | Jul 07 09:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] The Internet never forgets, Mr. Lunduke. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://lunduke.com/?p=1771 | Jul 07 09:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] !Listening to Punjabi MCs - Mundia Bachke. #np !tea time music. | Jul 07 09:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Just pointing out that I never delete anything I post on my blog or on here. 1) It's futile anyway 2) Grown-ups stick to their convictions | Jul 07 09:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/78252113 | Jul 07 09:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Twisted Lucidity (lucidlytwisted)'s status on Thursday, 07-Jul-11 08:22:46 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz: *blink* Buttons? What? | Jul 07 09:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Internet co-regulation - http://bit.ly/rhIwMM thoughts about what #notw means for UK Internet | Jul 07 09:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Theater Owners Still Oblivious To The Fact That They Can Compete With Home Viewing - http://bit.ly/nJeUJJ this is the key #scarcities | Jul 07 09:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Help us identify the lobbyists - http://bit.ly/qia4ez a really clever use of crowdsourcing #lobbying | Jul 07 09:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UNAIDS Praises #India’s Vow Not To Negotiate Away #Generics - http://bit.ly/or315Y millions of lives depend on this | Jul 07 09:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @_tomash: Q: What's tan and black and looks great on a lawyer? A: A doberman. | Jul 07 09:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @higrys: Blast from the past: RT @HackerNewsYC MySpace, Skype announce partnership (2007) http://goo.gl/fb/GdqyF | Jul 07 09:47 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: UNAIDS Praises India’s Vow Not To Negotiate Away Generics | Intellectual Property Watch .::. Size~: 39.61 KB | Jul 07 09:47 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #WordPress 3.2 gets a dose of Zen http://ur1.ca/4nmms #cms gpl #freesoftware | Jul 07 09:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Apple denied Amazon “Appstore” injunction - http://tnw.co/paMQNk quite right | Jul 07 09:49 | |
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| schestowitz | In fil;ms, portrayal of aliens is always of them being vulnerable and naive | Jul 07 09:49 |
| schestowitz | Cannot explain how they travel a rather violent galaxy and figure out how to achieve this | Jul 07 09:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Little kids singing in French while I fix the networking in this school. I love primary schools. :) | Jul 07 09:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Sanity prevails! Yes!! ♺ @glynmoody: Apple denied Amazon “Appstore” injunction - http://tnw.co/paMQNk quite right | Jul 07 09:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] given the poll that offended Bryan so much is in a magazine who have their own podcast, I wonder how #TuxRadar will report it | Jul 07 09:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Brazil to protect #Amazon activists threatened with murder - http://bit.ly/n9xWI6 sadly too late for many #environment | Jul 07 09:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] will #LAS get a mention at all in the next poll if it's hazardous to Bryan's health via high blood pressure, health & safety don'cha know | Jul 07 09:57 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Brazil to protect Amazon activists threatened with murder | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 88.92 KB | Jul 07 09:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The rise, fall and reality of commercial open source - http://bit.ly/qscIow useful reminder of how things are #opensource | Jul 07 10:01 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 451 CAOS Theory » The rise, fall and reality of commercial open source .::. Size~: 42.29 KB | Jul 07 10:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh Me too! | Jul 07 10:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Don’t Support Mono http://ur1.ca/4nmqg #mono #novell | Jul 07 10:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Don’t Support Mono http://ur1.ca/4nmqg #swpats #dotnet #csharp #development #gnu #linux #xamarin #attachmate #monotouch #monodroid | Jul 07 10:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The #revolution will be webcast - http://bit.ly/nqtTph "against status quo, centralised authorities, existing bus. models" excellent post | Jul 07 10:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Parted Magic 6.3 is released http://ur1.ca/3uftt good tool also for WIndows users.. | Jul 07 10:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Linux Deepin 11.06 正式版发布了http://www.linuxdeepin.com/ the numbers say what it's similar to... | Jul 07 10:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] Humm interesting :) RT @JayMontano: Nokia Tablet Imminent? Tabco presents...not just another tablet. http://bit.ly/ozxNcG | Jul 07 10:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Canada concerned #Nortel patent sale breaks law - http://bit.ly/ojzwTM it ain't over yet... | Jul 07 10:14 | |
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| schestowitz | http://deviceguru.com/bionic-body-parts-offer-hope-to-the-disabled/ | Jul 07 10:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: DeviceGuru » Bionic body parts offer hope to the disabled .::. Size~: 39.99 KB | Jul 07 10:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] kinect enabled telekinesis of a quadrocopter http://aol.it/rjOl4s #technology #hacks #kinect | Jul 07 10:17 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Kinect Hacks: Gesture-controlled quadrocopter | Joystiq .::. Size~: 41.46 KB | Jul 07 10:17 |
| schestowitz | In Soviet Russia, the disabled offers hope to the bionic :-) | Jul 07 10:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Looking at http://www.amahi.org #TLLTS | Jul 07 10:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] (1.) Waar moet het toch heen met dit totalitaire, volstrekt van de pot gerukte teringtyfustakkeland? Ik heb net twee keer € 5,--... | Jul 07 10:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 451 Group re-heralds the death of pseudo-open source model, justifying its own leaning towards #FogComputing as of late http://ur1.ca/4nmsi | Jul 07 10:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] (2.) moeten dokken bij Veolia Stadsbus Maastricht, omdat ik de OV-Shitkaart weiger. Even een ritje naar de arts € 10! Gewoon bizar! #fail | Jul 07 10:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "The internationally famous technology company" #dicks http://outl.ws/2d | Jul 07 10:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Why would anybody bother with yet another proprietary Web browser (see Opera)? http://ur1.ca/4nmt5 | Jul 07 10:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @aukondk: Fund Frontalot's music vids for his next album! http://outl.ws/2e | Jul 07 10:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Police databases: how over 900 staff abuse their access - http://bit.ly/qjE79Q and they want us to trust the #police? | Jul 07 10:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @glynmoody: Police databases: how over 900 staff abuse their access - http://bit.ly/qjE79Q and they want us to trust the #police? | Jul 07 10:26 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Police databases: how over 900 staff abuse their access - Big Brother Watch .::. Size~: 45.28 KB | Jul 07 10:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] AFAIK @methoddan (for RR) http://outl.ws/2e | Jul 07 10:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh I am logging in from a UK Google account via a UK IP address so it isn't my location. | Jul 07 10:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Net € 10 moeten dokken (retour Daalhof-Geusselt) bij Veolia Stadsbus #Maastricht #bizar exit openbaar vervoer. Gaat weer fietsen :-p | Jul 07 10:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Google, Virgin America partner to push ChromeBooks, free WiFi in the clouds (the real ones) http://ur1.ca/4nmwb #linux #travel #tablet | Jul 07 10:32 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google, Virgin America partner to push ChromeBooks, free WiFi in the clouds (the real ones) | ZDNet .::. Size~: 109.01 KB | Jul 07 10:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Gmail blog: A preview of Gmail’s new look http://goo.gl/L50x7 !google | Jul 07 10:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Giraffe is the new elephant, say analysts http://ur1.ca/4nmxk these are two different, deceiving headline | Jul 07 10:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cars: The Next Big Platform Opportunity for Linux? http://ur1.ca/4nmxq perfect fit, so Microsoft will try to put a "MS tax" on all cars sold | Jul 07 10:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] When Microsoft's 8th biggest shareholder and #mole #elop went to #nokia he also helped harm Intel's #Linux efforts in cars. #x86 !meego | Jul 07 10:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UK Prime Minister's Letter to Cabinet Ministers on #transparency and #opendata - http://bit.ly/qYLwQh great stuff (v @DirDigEng) | Jul 07 10:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Illegal film downloading up by 30% in the UK - http://tnw.co/oDspZY largely because it's not possible to obtain stuff legally #piracy | Jul 07 10:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] European #MAFIAA in touble. #SGAE investigated for embezzlement, #IFPI's CEO for tax evasion. http://rys.io/_0009 | Jul 07 10:47 | |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/carlopiana/status/86801277308252160 | Jul 07 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @carlopiana: Google amazes me. I sent myself a picture of my bike, w/o any text, on gmail. On the webmail I have a bike-related advertisement. #NSAready | Jul 07 10:49 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 07 10:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] ♺ @schestowitz: Cars: The Next Big Platform Opportunity for Linux? http://ur1.ca/4nmxq Microsoft will try to put a "MS tax" on all cars sold | Jul 07 10:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I just want to say: in giving us a chance to bring down the evil empire of #NOTW and Rupert #Murdoch, the @guardian has done a noble thing | Jul 07 10:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tuxradar/@tuxradar] TuxRadar podcast 2.0 has just been released. Version 3.0 in two weeks, with version 4.0 due in a month: http://bit.ly/qAGU9T | Jul 07 10:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] And so it finally begins! Cincinnato Bell offers it's own Android upgrade and it's a custom ROM! http://cincinnatibell.com/milestoneupgrade/ | Jul 07 10:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Spain's performing rights organisation SGAE raided by anticorruption police http://ur1.ca/4mr3k they finally found the #MAFIAA HQ | Jul 07 10:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @mgeist Peter Suber on the interaction between open access and copyright http://is.gd/YgGhYJ | Jul 07 10:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] #DPD - promise is delivery in two days. Now at day 4 and parcel still sitting around without any indication of a planned delivery. #fail | Jul 07 10:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh UK. I proxied when I signed up. | Jul 07 10:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wow. This is amazing. Tom and I now basically have access to an 80 seat orchestra for the #ProjectPirate score. | Jul 07 11:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] #np Amr Diab - Ana Aktar Wahid !listening | Jul 07 11:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/78257479 | Jul 07 11:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Carlo Piana (carlopiana)'s status on Thursday, 07-Jul-11 09:58:34 UTC - MuBlog: @schestowitz: TBH, Elop is the 8th *natural person* MSFT shareholder, assuming he's a person, of course. ;-) | Jul 07 11:01 |
| schestowitz | he can be programmed to act like a person | Jul 07 11:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] MI5 admits to wrongful surveillance of innocent people, new report says http://ur1.ca/4nn69 war on privacy | Jul 07 11:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] holy moly! you don't need a credit card to order things online within .ch! ordered from ex libris, delivery will inc a bank transfer bill. | Jul 07 11:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] beagle board setup is just about ready, pending delivery of hdmi->dvi adaptor :) | Jul 07 11:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Free Speech and the Internet http://ur1.ca/4nn70 unusual piece from the corporate press | Jul 07 11:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] "Brazilian government signs up to develop OpenOffice and LibreOffice" - http://is.gd/i8dAZe #ODF #FTW | Jul 07 11:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Attempting to install #Habari on Apache/Fedora over lunch hour, & once again SELinux is being such a pain.Can't get it to play nice.Ideas? | Jul 07 11:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "TinyOgg will be discontinued by July 15th." :-( !playogg | Jul 07 11:09 | |
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| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/78258120 | Jul 07 11:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Dayo (jargon)'s status on Thursday, 07-Jul-11 10:10:39 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz yeah :( | Jul 07 11:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] ♻ @schestowitz When Microsoft's 8th biggest shareholder&#mole #elop went to #nokia he also helped harm Intel's #Linux efforts in cars | Jul 07 11:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] #tllts410 Wank+ | Jul 07 11:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @mjasay [...] MS making more in patent prostitution than Windows licensing /// #swpats #extortion | Jul 07 11:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Anti-Piracy Lawyer Won’t Pay A Penny To Data Protection Watchdog http://is.gd/EcQowA !acslaw !tpb !piracy !fail | Jul 07 11:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #RoyalBritishLegion suspends #NoW ties over 'hacking' http://is.gd/mlKxjL #Ford have realised they're toxic & dropped them too #avalanche | Jul 07 11:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] when BRL say they're "shocked to the core" over this, they mean it, the #NoW version is all fake bullshit #PR damage limitation | Jul 07 11:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] The Americans are still sleeping. Lazy tads. | Jul 07 11:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] how long will it be before the #NoW run a patriotic "support the troops" campaign, after it assumes we forget the cynical exploitation | Jul 07 11:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Must learn SELinux system policy in the next half hour. | Jul 07 11:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "The coolest thing about Google+ is that Fab isn't on there." | Jul 07 11:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh Yeah. Google. Overloaded. A likely story. | Jul 07 11:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] ♻ @schestowitz ♻ @mjasay [...] MS making more in patent prostitution than Windows licensing /// #swpats #extortion | Jul 07 11:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the #Sun is still vilified in #Liverpool after it's handling of the #Hillsborough disaster, UK troops & families will not forgive #NOTW | Jul 07 11:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] OK. Bring on the sexy. | Jul 07 11:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] If Ubuntu adopts Google+ Circles, will they be called "CoC Rings"? | Jul 07 11:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Heyaa!!! Dick jokes. Welcome to #TheShaft! | Jul 07 11:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] ♻ @fabsh If Ubuntu adopts Google+ Circles, will they be called "CoC Rings"? @ >> Ouch! | Jul 07 11:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] #np Aladina Sahara - Baila Maria !listening | Jul 07 11:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Dear #dpd, you received the parcel at 2011-07-04 at 23:00, your policy is delivery in 2 days and now, at 2011-07-07 at 12:28 still not here. | Jul 07 11:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Meeting with Ed Vaizey: website blocking and #censorship - http://bit.ly/nJgzxD better than nothing, but there are some worrying signs | Jul 07 11:39 | |
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| MinceR | http://twitpic.com/5m7spj | Jul 07 11:42 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 7/7/2011: Linux 3.0 RC 6, CentOS 6.0 Coming http://ur1.ca/4nnk9 !techrights | Jul 07 11:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 7/7/2011: Linux 3.0 RC 6, CentOS 6.0 Coming http://ur1.ca/4nnk9 #techrights | Jul 07 11:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] #np Cheb Mami - Cheba | Jul 07 11:42 | |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/#!/migueldeicaza/status/87185834033426433 | Jul 07 11:43 |
| schestowitz | Club Microsoft | Jul 07 11:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Neozouk is kinda cool. S/o to all my Franco-Algerian peeps, mostly Zidane and DJ Mafie. #screwsarkozy | Jul 07 11:44 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @migueldeicaza: @FOSSpatents thanks for the explanation. Keep up the good work, enjoy reading the updates | Jul 07 11:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Happy that I have not yet received a googleplus invite. Not happy bout all the useless spam I get from those that have an account. | Jul 07 11:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Making a mental note of those I gave a #diaspora invite that are now on googleplus without returning the favour. | Jul 07 11:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] European Convention on Human Rights applied in Basrah, UK failed to investigate Iraqi deaths - http://bit.ly/ncmpCk big (v @raycorrigan) | Jul 07 11:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @andyc I'm slowly using interest in Google Plus. | Jul 07 11:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] EU parliament asking commission to clarify privacy of data after MSFT told the world USA patriot act makes them share cloud info with US. | Jul 07 11:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @andyc Without @fabsh, Google Plus is just meaningless. Worthless. An infinite, empty void. | Jul 07 11:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @mxc centos is dead. Long live scientific linux! | Jul 07 12:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Open Season on Open Data - http://bit.ly/psSQYV great new moves on #opendata in uk, but risks, too #openuk | Jul 07 12:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Lover of Microsoft get a room http://ur1.ca/4nnwz | Jul 07 12:04 | |
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| schestowitz | http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2015529476_layoffs07.html | Jul 07 12:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Local News | Layoff notices begin to go out to state workers | Seattle Times Newspaper .::. Size~: 55.29 KB | Jul 07 12:13 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] I will propose that code::XtremeApps 2012 to center around Node.js! http://t.co/CpuNTQU | Jul 07 12:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Illegal UK film downloads up 30%, new figures suggest http://is.gd/yRIenS ---> So the "war" on piracy is being won then? | Jul 07 12:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Culture Minister Vaizey on Google, freetards and website-blocking 'There is no conspiracy' - http://is.gd/LcGQx8 | Jul 07 12:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC - Newsbeat - Illegal UK film downloads up 30%, new figures suggest .::. Size~: 52.44 KB | Jul 07 12:21 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @SkyNewsBreak O2 has suspended advertising with the News of the World in light of hacking allegations.--> Good. Lets hope others follow. | Jul 07 12:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Agcom, sì a delibera copyright ma i siti non saranno inibiti - http://bit.ly/mPZE6S outbreak of good sense - but for how long? (v @airvpn) | Jul 07 12:24 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Agcom, sì a delibera copyright ma i siti non saranno inibiti - Repubblica.it .::. Size~: 49.3 KB | Jul 07 12:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh I don't give a fuck. That's just bullshit. | Jul 07 12:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Dear People Of #Australia: If You Don't Want Widespread Gov't Censorship Of The Internet, Speak Up Now - http://bit.ly/qsgp3j this matters | Jul 07 12:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh Dude.... It's artificial scarcity. A PR stunt. Stop perpetuating this crap. | Jul 07 12:29 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Dear People Of Australia: If You Don't Want Widespread Gov't Censorship Of The Internet, Speak Up Now | Techdirt .::. Size~: 26.89 KB | Jul 07 12:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] I have posted my essay on #Harmony, "The trouble with Harmony: Part 1": http://opensource.com/law/11/7/trouble-harmony-part-1 | Jul 07 12:32 | |
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| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to _Goblin | Jul 07 12:35 | |
| _Goblin | Feeling god like today ;) | Jul 07 12:35 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: just feeling? | Jul 07 12:36 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jul 07 12:36 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: | Jul 07 12:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT: 17 companies have pulled their adverts from the News of the World. Huge success! Now let's go after the Top Ten: http://t.co/vzVKkmx | Jul 07 12:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Seems my mild rants work. #DPD should deliver my micro lathe in the next 30 minutes ... #makerblog | Jul 07 12:36 | |
| schestowitz | Is "robust against" proper English? | Jul 07 12:36 |
| schestowitz | I'm reviewing a paper when someone repeats this... | Jul 07 12:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Operation #NotWBoycott – target the top ten advertisers | Liberal Conspiracy .::. Size~: 77.64 KB | Jul 07 12:36 |
| schestowitz | Region ensemble approaches are | Jul 07 12:36 |
| schestowitz | robust against facial expression changes and partial oc- | Jul 07 12:36 |
| schestowitz | clusions, and many of them are currently among the | Jul 07 12:36 |
| schestowitz | top performing algorithms. | Jul 07 12:36 |
| schestowitz | UNQUOTE | Jul 07 12:36 |
| _Goblin | yep | Jul 07 12:37 |
| _Goblin | I'd go with that | Jul 07 12:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why we need business models to support real #journalism - http://bit.ly/rhxAcg indeed, but how? #notw | Jul 07 12:37 | |
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| _Goblin | of course you could use "diverse" instead... | Jul 07 12:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT: @glynmoody Why we need business models to support real #journalism - bit.ly/rhxAcg indeed, but how? #notw | Jul 07 12:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh Yeah, great. Egoistic and shortsighted, much? | Jul 07 12:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Are the folks at UUNET/MTN Business/Whatever on Tweeter? | Jul 07 12:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh I know. But knowing who's your daddy might be important to others ;-) | Jul 07 12:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: WordPress for webOS http://is.gd/29WI3t | Jul 07 12:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Ive seen it all now... #Jedward , is this what the human race has come to? #JedwardVICTORY | Jul 07 12:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] No net means no work, no !lo BTC podcast. | Jul 07 12:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] #twit307 LOL Nokia smartphones are absolutely wortheless on Gazelle. #NotSurprised | Jul 07 12:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Google+ is the new Spotify. | Jul 07 12:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh Hm. I guess we don't pay you enough? ;-) | Jul 07 13:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @fabsh: Google+ is the new Spotify | Jul 07 13:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Microsoft's Monumental Android-Milking, Money-Making Machine http://bit.ly/oW3jb5 #linux | Jul 07 13:09 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux News: Community: Microsoft's Monumental Android-Milking, Money-Making Machine .::. Size~: 60.69 KB | Jul 07 13:09 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/runegri/status/88912398286725120 | Jul 07 13:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @runegri: Idiot. You must argument better than "mono is bad" to convince anyone! RT @boycottnovell: Don’t Support Mono http://ur1.ca/4nmqg #monotouch | Jul 07 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: thanks | Jul 07 13:12 |
| schestowitz | btw, got tomorrow off too? | Jul 07 13:13 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/richslxh/statuses/88874047168974848 | Jul 07 13:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @richslxh: #LAS Bryan Landuke rapidly acquiring a reputation for being a Troll in the Linux community #lo http://ur1.ca/4nlz0 | Jul 07 13:13 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/eurogaran/statuses/88874659407343616 | Jul 07 13:13 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @eurogaran: Is Jupiter Broadcasting's Linux Action Show Anti-GNU/Linux? http://lnkd.in/QsQVia | Jul 07 13:13 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Ubuntu 11.10 Development update http://goo.gl/og2Qn | Jul 07 13:14 | |
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| schestowitz | oh, cool... http://www.muktware.com/hacksheet/1722?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+linux%2Ffeeds+%28Muktware+Newsletter%29 | Jul 07 13:16 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, cool... we're getting a new dataset.. | Jul 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | > We don't. | Jul 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | > I will request the database from Texas University - I'll let you know as | Jul 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | > soon as it will be available in storage | Jul 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | > Best, | Jul 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 07 13:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Project Harmony 1.0 and its discontents http://lwn.net/Articles/450543/rss | Jul 07 13:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] I wonder if any SG schools will be bought by ms? http://m.networkworld.com/news/2011/070611-microsoft-office365.html | Jul 07 13:26 | |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz: no, but i'll be back in the afternoon....if you have something planned I should be able to accomodate... | Jul 07 13:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] "Microsoft's Monumental Android-Milking, Money-Making Machine" - http://is.gd/4m5P8v - #patentmadness #thicket #IPmadness | Jul 07 13:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Yay. #DPD finally delivered the micro lathe. Now looking for a shop that has #arduino mega in munich. Tips welcome! | Jul 07 13:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] RT @stephwho gobandit is looking for a product manager. interested? http://www.gobandit.com/Jobs.aspx | Jul 07 13:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT: chlankboot New hacking claim for Murdoch paper tiny.ly/XAmV | Jul 07 13:41 | |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: I can do today and tomorrow, so if you pop into IRC we can do another one quickly | Jul 07 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Yesterday I encoded quickly cause with 1 track it's more than twice as fast | Jul 07 13:41 |
| _Goblin | Cool | Jul 07 13:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Microsoft Monopoly http://is.gd/P4FIoM "Bill Gates - The Richest man with the cheapest haircut" ..... Great vid! !microsoft !windows | Jul 07 13:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Iceland's open-door government @Stjornlagarad | http://red.ht/npl4f8 #opengov | Jul 07 13:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @glynmoody Why we need business models to support real #journalism - http://bit.ly/rhxAcg indeed, but how? #notw | Jul 07 13:46 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Iceland's open-door government | opensource.com .::. Size~: 42.79 KB | Jul 07 13:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Memex 1.1 » Blog Archive » Why we need business models to support real journalism .::. Size~: 18.48 KB | Jul 07 13:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] A first look at: The Platform Shooter (0.1.1-linux64) http://ur1.ca/4np0f reviewed by @openbytes #games #gnu #linux | Jul 07 13:47 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: A first look at: The Platform Shooter (0.1.1-linux64) « OpenBytes .::. Size~: 38.49 KB | Jul 07 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Communist Microsoft? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14024420 | Jul 07 13:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC News - Baidu and Microsoft tie-up for English search in China .::. Size~: 58.06 KB | Jul 07 13:49 |
| MinceR | http://www.globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/google-v-microsoft-v-apple.jpg | Jul 07 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | > The people at the SFLC gave me permission to translate && publish: | Jul 07 13:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 07 13:50 |
| schestowitz | > office-360_ES | Jul 07 13:50 |
| *abeNd-org has quit (Quit: Leaving.) | Jul 07 13:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @speeddefrost clyde -Syua #ftw | Jul 07 13:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ES: #Office 365: El nuevo #Microsoft "Cloud" Probablemente Venga Con Espionaje Adentro http://ur1.ca/4np31 Original en: http://ur1.ca/4khpa | Jul 07 13:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] RT @jwildeboer "Microsoft's Monumental Android-Milking, Money-Making Machine" - http://is.gd/4m5P8v - #patentmadness #thicket #IPmadness | Jul 07 13:57 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: ES: Office 365: El nuevo Microsoft “Cloud” Probablemente Venga Con Espionaje Adentro | Techrights .::. Size~: 82.43 KB | Jul 07 13:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Office 365: The New Microsoft “Cloud” Likely Comes with Spying Inside - SFLC Blog - Software Freedom Law Center .::. Size~: 6.18 KB | Jul 07 13:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Technology News: Community: Microsoft's Monumental Android-Milking, Money-Making Machine .::. Size~: 66.43 KB | Jul 07 13:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The #HP TouchPad's best feature? Linux under the hood http://ur1.ca/4np64 #palm #linux #tablet | Jul 07 14:02 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The HP TouchPad's best feature? Linux under the hood | ITworld .::. Size~: 113.42 KB | Jul 07 14:02 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/brettcsmith | Jul 07 14:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Brett Smith (brettcsmith) - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 59.43 KB | Jul 07 14:04 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/78096837 | Jul 07 14:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Marcio B. Jr. (mbjunior)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Jul-11 10:42:46 UTC - Identi.ca: @brettcsmith Still not answering why the !fsf is not a member. #w3c #web | Jul 07 14:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Programming, Open Source, Hacking and Greedy Corporations http://ur1.ca/4mxhd on being misunderstood. | Jul 07 14:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Silly Promotional Stunt Lawsuit Against CBS For 'Profiting From Piracy' Dropped http://is.gd/St6BNg | Jul 07 14:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @schestowitz Programming, Open Source, Hacking and Greedy Corporations http://ur1.ca/4mxhd on being misunderstood. | Jul 07 14:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @schestowitz The #HP TouchPad's best feature? Linux under the hood http://ur1.ca/4np64 #palm #linux #tablet | Jul 07 14:07 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Programming, Open Source, Hacking and Greedy Corporations .::. Size~: 132.48 KB | Jul 07 14:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Silly Promotional Stunt Lawsuit Against CBS For 'Profiting From Piracy' Dropped | Techdirt .::. Size~: 50.37 KB | Jul 07 14:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Programming, Open Source, Hacking and Greedy Corporations .::. Size~: 132.48 KB | Jul 07 14:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The HP TouchPad's best feature? Linux under the hood | ITworld .::. Size~: 113.38 KB | Jul 07 14:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @rms Copyright Obstacle To Success http://ur1.ca/4npb3 | Jul 07 14:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @gabrielsaldana RT @bbh: #Microsoft continues using their old bribes to force Universities to become slaves of their software | Jul 07 14:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @jwildeboer "Microsoft's Monumental Android-Milking, Money-Making Machine" - http://is.gd/4m5P8v - #patentmadness #thicket #IPmadness | Jul 07 14:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] There should be laws against monopolists *paying* for contracts, esp. ones where the goal is to indoctrinate the young | Jul 07 14:09 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 2011: May - August Political Notes - Richard Stallman .::. Size~: 489.58 KB | Jul 07 14:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Technology News: Community: Microsoft's Monumental Android-Milking, Money-Making Machine .::. Size~: 66.22 KB | Jul 07 14:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New York Governor Andrew Cuomo Opens #Fracking Floodgates http://ur1.ca/4npc6 maybe here too he can say "it's for the children" | Jul 07 14:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How A Notorious Banker Left Intellectual Ventures With A Poorly Performing Fund - http://onforb.es/o20qi9 what a joke | Jul 07 14:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Well....Got a few things to do this afternoon...including a brief play with Killzone 3 !ps3 - Great stuff! | Jul 07 14:12 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: New York Governor Andrew Cuomo Opens Fracking Floodgates | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 46.32 KB | Jul 07 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: How A Notorious Banker Left Intellectual Ventures With A Poorly Performing Fund - Nathan Vardi - The Jungle - Forbes .::. Size~: 89.11 KB | Jul 07 14:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Revealed: British government's plan to play down #Fukushima http://ur1.ca/4l9zd #government #astroturf #cancer | Jul 07 14:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @nearyd @bkuhn You might want to read http://bit.ly/nTW79F - interested in your reaction. | Jul 07 14:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @bkuhn I posted a treatise (aka long blog post) on #Harmony, #CLA's, ©AAs. In #Dijkstra tradition:"Harmony Considered Harmful": http: ... | Jul 07 14:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Critic's Notebook: Glenn Beck says goodbye http://ur1.ca/4npcw "Now-former Fox News personality Glenn Beck closed "The Glenn Beck Program"" | Jul 07 14:14 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Revealed: British government's plan to play down Fukushima | Environment | The Guardian .::. Size~: 241.29 KB | Jul 07 14:14 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Critic's Notebook: Glenn Beck says goodbye - latimes.com .::. Size~: 142.33 KB | Jul 07 14:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @x11r5 @sandersch Is on the table. Hey! Hey! Hey! We eat there | Jul 07 14:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Microsoft’s #Android Shakedown - http://onforb.es/oJ5EA8 excellent analysis of the warped economics of #swpats | Jul 07 14:16 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft’s Android Shakedown - Timothy Lee - Disruptive Economics - Forbes .::. Size~: 86.78 KB | Jul 07 14:16 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: If microsoft does not watch themselves they could find themselves screwed up. | Jul 07 14:23 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Lets take if a few companies like motorola win equal patent claims against Microsoft. | Jul 07 14:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] !fsfe newsletter from July now also available in #netherlands #italiano http://ur1.ca/4nozr (Thanks to our translators http://ur1.ca/33vjn ) | Jul 07 14:24 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: FSFE Newsletter - July 2011 .::. Size~: 13.63 KB | Jul 07 14:24 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: they take on the defenseless now | Jul 07 14:24 |
| schestowitz | Like TomTom near financial collapse | Jul 07 14:24 |
| schestowitz | They want to give the impression that latrge companies shouldn't bother fighting | Jul 07 14:25 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Microsoft could end up in the bad location where they have to pay more in patents per copy on their OS so making their os is not profitable. | Jul 07 14:25 |
| schestowitz | think of the US attacking Cuba to have a display of force to flex muscles to the Soviets | Jul 07 14:25 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: and word | Jul 07 14:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] The trouble with Harmony (Part 1), from @richardfontana | http://red.ht/nkfQOz #Canonical | Jul 07 14:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] ♺ @glynmoody: #Microsoft’s #Android Shakedown - http://onforb.es/oJ5EA8 excellent analysis of the warped economics of #swpats | Jul 07 14:26 | |
| schestowitz | !google word i4i cscptus | Jul 07 14:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The trouble with Harmony: Part 1 | opensource.com .::. Size~: 51.46 KB | Jul 07 14:26 |
| schestowitz | *scotus | Jul 07 14:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft’s Android Shakedown - Timothy Lee - Disruptive Economics - Forbes .::. Size~: 86.78 KB | Jul 07 14:26 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/78267828 | Jul 07 14:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @joelle nebbe (iphigenie)'s status on Thursday, 07-Jul-11 13:15:51 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz I didnt see anyone complaining when Sun was doing it, though... And it wasnt any better or worse | Jul 07 14:26 |
| schestowitz | was Sun actually *paying* universities? | Jul 07 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly paying. | Jul 07 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Sun gave free hardware to universities | Jul 07 14:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @gd13 @hesa Maybe. Or Västtrafik is seeking extra income as a goods transporter... :) | Jul 07 14:31 | |
| schestowitz | yeah | Jul 07 14:32 |
| schestowitz | ms pays quarter of a million | Jul 07 14:32 |
| schestowitz | it's a bribe | Jul 07 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Really lot of the free hardware was caused by people buying and paying and not picking up. | Jul 07 14:34 |
| oiaohm | Same thing happens with kernel.org and sf.net all the time. | Jul 07 14:34 |
| oiaohm | there are percentage of companies that buy new servers then change mind and leave hardware makers with them. | Jul 07 14:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] who wants to co-host a !KDE release party in !Zürich with me? http://dot.kde.org/2011/07/06/47-release-celebration-think-globalparty-local | Jul 07 14:36 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 4.7 Release Celebrations - Think Global, Party Local | KDE.news .::. Size~: 7.9 KB | Jul 07 14:36 |
| MinceR | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2011/07/wanna-be-nokia-ceo-take-the-simple-quiz-to-see-if-youre-qualified.html | Jul 07 14:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Communities Dominate Brands: Wanna Be Nokia CEO? Take the simple quiz to see if you're qualified .::. Size~: 125.24 KB | Jul 07 14:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Indian programmers are better at math & logic but American developers are good at Web programming (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/qEzEfZ | Jul 07 14:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] CIOs are losing control of IT to CFOs (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/naDdWF | Jul 07 14:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] ouch, found some email in my fallback... luckily didn't lose it. | Jul 07 14:42 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Indian vs. American programmers: Whose code is best? | Application Development - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 87.5 KB | Jul 07 14:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: CIOs are losing control of IT | The Industry Standard - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 86.91 KB | Jul 07 14:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] IETF mulls IPv6 for home networking (Network World): http://bit.ly/q2O9SA | Jul 07 14:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ars technica: How the Titanic disaster pushed Uncle Sam to "rule the air" http://goo.gl/rEki0 | Jul 07 14:44 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: IETF mulls IPv6 for home networking .::. Size~: 124.5 KB | Jul 07 14:44 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @fabsh ♻ @mxc centos is dead. Long live scientific linux! | Jul 07 14:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Duffy: Anaconda Language & Keyboard Layout Selection http://lwn.net/Articles/450566/rss | Jul 07 14:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] SAP's Sybase adds scalability to IQ analytic database (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/ozNUgU | Jul 07 14:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft to release a Windows 8 preview build at WPC 2011 next week? (WinRumors): http://bit.ly/rr23wn | Jul 07 14:54 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Duffy: Anaconda Language & Keyboard Layout Selection [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 8.99 KB | Jul 07 14:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: SAP's Sybase adds scalability to IQ analytic database | Data Center - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 89.01 KB | Jul 07 14:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft to release a Windows 8 preview build at WPC 2011 next week? | WinRumors .::. Size~: 46.02 KB | Jul 07 14:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Not Scoble again! I hate when he's on TWiT. He's such a moron.... | Jul 07 14:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Our July newsletter features CC in music, data, policy, the middle east & the #powerofopen! http://bit.ly/rfQvVO | Jul 07 14:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] i have to say, after spending the beginning of the week ill, it feels AWESOME to be back on my feet at 100% | Jul 07 15:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Cassini captures electrical noise from storm on Saturn http://ur1.ca/4npm6 !science | Jul 07 15:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Foxtrot by #Genesis now on the turntable: "Winston Churchil dressed in drag, he used to be a British flag!" #willow_farm_cheese | Jul 07 15:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Soon to be disbarred Lawyer attempts to trademark Bitcoin http://ur1.ca/4npmi !bc | Jul 07 15:11 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Lawyer Attempts To Trademark Bitcoin - Slashdot .::. Size~: 125.33 KB | Jul 07 15:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] WIPO's Broadcast Treaty is back: copyright nuts want to steal the public domain and kill Creative Commons http://ur1.ca/4npmu | Jul 07 15:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Cory Maye Freed After 10 Years In Prison http://ur1.ca/4npn0 | Jul 07 15:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #TSA lies about possible airline threat involving implanted bombs http://ur1.ca/4npnd | Jul 07 15:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Egyptians riot in Suez over police trials http://ur1.ca/4npnh | Jul 07 15:14 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: WIPO's Broadcast Treaty is back: copyright nuts want to steal the public domain, kill Creative Commons, and give copyright over your videos to YouTube and other streamers - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 36.77 KB | Jul 07 15:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Cory Maye Freed After 10 Years In Prison: The Back Story - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 81.33 KB | Jul 07 15:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Implanted bombs: TSA warns of possible terrorist threat of bombs implanted in people - latimes.com .::. Size~: 182.63 KB | Jul 07 15:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC News - Egyptians riot in Suez over police trials .::. Size~: 69 KB | Jul 07 15:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Women who use Hackerspaces apparently are women. Who knew? http://ur1.ca/4npnv | Jul 07 15:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Great title, plus interesting to me: "Evolution of ruminant headgear: a review" http://bit.ly/qSMLpe | Jul 07 15:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Washington Post Hacked: 1,270,000 Emails and User IDs Compromised http://ur1.ca/4npoc | Jul 07 15:17 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Women talk about hackerspaces - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 38.76 KB | Jul 07 15:17 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @thp Announcing !PySide for #Android: http://thp.io/2011/pyside-android/ - tested in the emulator and with #Nitdroid on the N900. | Jul 07 15:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Today's European Parliament Free Software intergroup meeting: Joint FSFE & APRIL presentation now online http://ur1.ca/4npnx | Jul 07 15:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Project Harmony Considered Harmful, long but worth reading http://ur1.ca/4no66 #bkuhn | Jul 07 15:24 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type | Jul 07 15:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Project Harmony Considered Harmful - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) .::. Size~: 56.69 KB | Jul 07 15:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Codex Calixtinus book 'disappears' from Spain cathedral http://ur1.ca/4nppj | Jul 07 15:26 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC News - Codex Calixtinus book 'disappears' from Spain cathedral .::. Size~: 59.63 KB | Jul 07 15:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Ontology for Media Resources 1.0 is a W3C Candidate Recommendation http://ow.ly/1dFtlm | Jul 07 15:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Tired after EP Free Software intergroup presentation & preceding night shift. But it was so worth it. | Jul 07 15:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] dedicated gamers (PSP, NDS) are more social, they turn sound off. iPhone gamers generally crank it up to 11 to get noticed?! #subway #bus | Jul 07 15:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I should have realised that the correct thing to do when people are bickering, shouting and swearing at each other is to leave them to it. | Jul 07 15:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fontana excellent article, eagerly waiting for part two WRT #harm-ony | Jul 07 15:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] NYT's David Pogue charges PR people $159 for a paper explaining how to get their products into his column (Gawker): http://gaw.kr/nXrahO | Jul 07 15:44 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: NYT Tech Columnist Spanked For 'Flagrant' Violation of Ethics Policy .::. Size~: 125.94 KB | Jul 07 15:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RIP Space Shuttle... ur1.ca/4npsv | Jul 07 15:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] http://is.gd/JweOni -> @nearyd, @bkuhn and @fontana on #Harmony; http://is.gd/xGQHsn http://is.gd/ndgE8k http://is.gd/b6ud6A | Jul 07 15:52 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Project Harmony 1.0 and its discontents [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 10.64 KB | Jul 07 15:52 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Project Harmony Considered Harmful - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) .::. Size~: 56.69 KB | Jul 07 15:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The trouble with Harmony: Part 1 | opensource.com .::. Size~: 60.34 KB | Jul 07 15:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Tomorrow is the #linuxcon early bird deadline. Get an extra 25% by taking this fun quiz: Could u do Linus' job? http://t.co/txz4u75 | Jul 07 15:57 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Linux Foundation - Could You Do Linus' Job? | Facebook .::. Size~: 39.68 KB | Jul 07 15:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] "Recent Notifications" Indicator Keeps A History Of Recent NotifyOSD Notifications http://ur1.ca/4npuu !Ubuntu | Jul 07 16:01 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: "Recent Notifications" Indicator Keeps A History Of Recent NotifyOSD Notifications ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog .::. Size~: 70.31 KB | Jul 07 16:01 |
| ender_33 | schestowitz - more than just flexing muscle | Jul 07 16:03 |
| ender_33 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion | Jul 07 16:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bay of Pigs Invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 208.46 KB | Jul 07 16:03 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Hmmmm..... Which to download? 2 KiB tar.gz html document or 27 KiB PDF version of said document? #NoBrainers | Jul 07 16:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Stephen #Walli (technical director of #Outercurve Foundation) has mildly positive take on #Harmony http://ur1.ca/4npwv | Jul 07 16:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] @eebrah @mtwita Gmail [1] | Jul 07 16:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] @nj3ma nice work with the HTML document #ByteCamp | Jul 07 16:12 | |
| ender_33 | http://books.google.com/books?id=LAvw-YXm4TsC&pg=PA186&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false | Jul 07 16:13 |
| AdmFubar_ | hi all | Jul 07 16:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Authoritarian regimes in Latin ... - Google Books .::. Size~: 68.04 KB | Jul 07 16:13 |
| AdmFubar_ | found this on groklaw http://frankston.com/public/?n=Plight | Jul 07 16:13 |
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| AdmFubar_ | thought it would be of interest | Jul 07 16:13 |
| AdmFubar_ | laters all | Jul 07 16:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] @eebrah Thanks. Sent the PDF for contrast. Nearly 20 times as large. | Jul 07 16:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Nope. Google+ still saying I can't sign up. Screw this shit. | Jul 07 16:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] @nj3ma Now.... about the content ... :P | Jul 07 16:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @spot My third law of FOSS: Any project or effort with Harmony in its name is not going to create harmony. | Jul 07 16:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @spot My third law of FOSS: Any project or effort with Harmony in its name is not going to create harmony. | Jul 07 16:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Segment from a LugRadio reunion show in which Adam loses to the devil's drink: (1) http://bit.ly/oqr80m (2) http://bit.ly/mTI3HN #lugradio | Jul 07 16:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] The price of maize flour, staple, has gone up 100% since February. !kenya #inflation | Jul 07 16:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @fontana: RT @spot My third law of FOSS: Any project or effort with Harmony in its name is not going to create harmony. | Jul 07 16:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @x11r5: My son's first cs class at the time, drives me nuts -- It procreates??? #panic! | Jul 07 16:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] "Unity", "Harmony" are Orwellian names. What 's next... | Jul 07 16:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Just bought a 2kg packet of maize flour for KES150 [US$1.65]. In early June it woulda cost me KES 105 [US$1.10] | Jul 07 16:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] @eebrah :-) | Jul 07 16:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] ♻ @eebrah RD: @x11r5: My son's first cs class at the time, drives me nuts -- It procreates??? #panic! | Jul 07 16:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] @eebrah Understand it has a podcast too! | Jul 07 16:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @nj3ma: The price of maize flour, staple, has gone up 100% since February. !kenya #inflation | Jul 07 16:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Lessons in business : It's never too late to start keeping proper business records. It can be too late though. | Jul 07 16:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] @eebrah Consolation: Last year's loss was probably 10 times worse. At least we are cashflow positive now. | Jul 07 16:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] First Draft of XML Encryption 1.1 CipherReference Processing using 2.0 Transforms Specification Published http://ow.ly/1dFwXx | Jul 07 16:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] ♻ @psquid @eebrah My personal theory is that @x11r5 is a robotic roboticist; he just builds himself children. | Jul 07 16:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] God. Killer day at work. I'm dead tired but need to go into town to get some shit done.... Oo | Jul 07 16:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] @nj3ma: True, progress. | Jul 07 16:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Brazilian government signs up to develop OpenOffice and LibreOffice (The H) http://lwn.net/Articles/450613/rss | Jul 07 16:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @psquid: My personal theory is that @x11r5 is a robotic roboticist; he just builds himself children. -- Panic some more! :-P | Jul 07 16:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #IFPI Boss Quits Following Tax #Fraud Allegations - http://bit.ly/qCNXB7 what fine, upstanding people #musicbiz | Jul 07 16:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Major ISPs agree to "six strikes" #copyright enforcement plan - http://bit.ly/pvJbrA why six? why not fifty-three? | Jul 07 16:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @flojo: @jargon yum is your friend | Jul 07 16:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I like the #BeefyMadness hashtag, though. :D | Jul 07 16:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] @fabsh jesus, chill out, dude. it's just a podcast. so we like to do some bonus shows, what is the big deal? | Jul 07 16:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Brazilian government signs up to develop OpenOffice and LibreOffice http://is.gd/i8dAZe | Jul 07 16:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laforge/@laforge] @fontana Wspot 'harmony' is also a bit overused by the Chinese government. Thus, not really positive undertone. http://bit.ly/nHbeeT | Jul 07 16:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Ofcom to use free airwaves for rural broadband http://is.gd/1f8oNG --> Too bad the "consortium" contains the badly behaved !Microsoft. | Jul 07 16:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @eebrah: RD: @fontana: RT @spot My third law of FOSS: Any project or effort with Harmony in its name is not going to create harmony. | Jul 07 16:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] HuffnPuff Post declares #Nokia dead: http://is.gd/HDqJwt - Guess #Microsoft deal wasn't so good after all... | Jul 07 16:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] !Fedora #FAmSCo Public Meeting reminder: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2011-July/017886.html | Jul 07 17:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: IFPI Boss Quits Following Tax Fraud Allegations http://is.gd/nrTH9p | Jul 07 17:02 | |
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| ender_33 | Anyone using Google+ ? | Jul 07 17:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] All new e-governance projects must work on open source operating systems: Draft http://bit.ly/nfGz6D #opensource | Jul 07 17:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MT @jemimakiss @mathewi Wow. #notw to close.. So Brooks keeps her job while everyone at NOTW loses theirs?! http://bit.ly/qvI3sa >>yikes | Jul 07 17:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Mozilla Thunderbird unseats Evolution in Ubuntu 11.10 http://bit.ly/mZBfqy | Jul 07 17:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Excellent!, a Q&A site for Linux: http://linuxfloat.org/ !linux !foss !help | Jul 07 17:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Major ISPs agree to "six strikes" copyright enforcement plan (Ars): http://bit.ly/pevW8n | Jul 07 17:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Firefox PDF reader passes 'pixel-perfect' test http://cnet.co/l5yRmv | Jul 07 17:11 | |
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| amarsh04 | schestowitz, my cousin recently released a book and has been on radio about the subjects that it covers: http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2011/07/07/3263624.htm | Jul 07 17:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Cell phone carrier provides its own Android update http://bit.ly/pgGM2g | Jul 07 17:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Brazilian government signs up to develop OpenOffice and LibreOffice http://bit.ly/pR3eTM | Jul 07 17:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Firefox developers locate a source of bloat http://bit.ly/kspEgp | Jul 07 17:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @noyesk All new e-governance projects must work on open source operating systems: Draft http://bit.ly/nfGz6D #opensource | Jul 07 17:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Chrome mentioned in Microsoft's latest patent deal http://bit.ly/mURrgm | Jul 07 17:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] @evan "I'd hit it"? | Jul 07 17:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Another problem for Oracle's patents http://bit.ly/jxvh17 | Jul 07 17:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] The "dd" command on the !Linux terminal > http://nd.gd/rp #linuxaria cc @nj3ma @kelzOKO @fredmanglis @RamanusAsango @VikGorani @dennismungai | Jul 07 17:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellog2/@kernellog2] Coming in 3.0 (Part 3) - Infrastructure http://h-online.com/-1275463/ftw #arch #infra #virt #xen #dom0 #arm #mm #kbuild | Jul 07 17:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] The "dd" command on the !Linux terminal > http://nd.gd/rp #linuxaria cc @mtwita @tcsmola | Jul 07 17:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Had mijzelf toen straks buitengesloten (sleutels binnen laten liggen), gelukkig heb ik een stoere buurman met een koevoet! Een goede buur... | Jul 07 17:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon I think you misunderstood me. I was just joking around, dude. ;) | Jul 07 17:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon Don't you just hate these bands that are on their 5th "farewell tour"? Remember Phil Collins? I'm sure the Stones will be back 2. | Jul 07 17:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] RT @karsten Today's European Parliament Free Software intergroup meeting: Joint FSFE & APRIL presentation now online http://ur1.ca/4npnx | Jul 07 17:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] So News of the World is closed. Time to look at the rest of Rupert Murdoch's empire? | Jul 07 17:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Record your !linux terminal with #Script > http://nd.gd/rq cc @kelzOKO @nj3ma @fredmanglis @dennismungai @tcsmola @mtwita | Jul 07 17:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon I'm happy for ya. Glad to see you got @opensourcegeek on as well. Will listen to this tomorrow. :) | Jul 07 17:39 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] @fabsh cool, a few of your dents struck me as a dick move, partic. in the light of the recent podcasting spat, thanks for the clarification | Jul 07 17:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] By 2018, only 6 percent of the U.S. population will be using the public switched telephone network (GigaOm): http://bit.ly/r4IJDp | Jul 07 17:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Its always nice when Tuxmachines links my articles. Thanks so much, makes writing them very rewarding. | Jul 07 17:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Dank aan al mijn lieve betrokken buren die mij hielpen toen ik mijzelf toen straks heb buiten gesloten #Daalhof #Maastricht #HAP-flats | Jul 07 17:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] I ♥ filler http://coffee.jezra.net/coffee/20110707 #sip_and_click | Jul 07 17:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon LOL. Hey, I wasn't the one being a dick. The only thing I said there was don't insult me to my face, basically. ;) | Jul 07 17:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon I am also tired as hell after a weeklong production marathon with the Shakespeare Company and work on top of that. | Jul 07 17:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon Sorry if I wasn't clear. I consider the LugRadio team dear friends. You're a whole different league than that wannabe show. ;) | Jul 07 17:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] @fabsh many thanks for the clarification, it did strike me initially as unusually mean. thanks, pal. | Jul 07 17:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] @fabsh I think there was a lot of dickery going on there. but what is done is done. different strokes for different folks. :-) | Jul 07 17:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon No worries. :) | Jul 07 17:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon I dunno. I never said anyting about them anywhere. The only thing I did was comment to our community. | Jul 07 17:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon I explained truthfully how I felt. The guy quoted me out of context and never had the balls to talk directly to me. | Jul 07 17:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] On http://xkcd.com/920/ !freesoftware users think: I hope the video they want to watch on my computer is available in #html5 #fun | Jul 07 17:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Apple fails to get US 'App Store' trademark injunction http://is.gd/PYcAUj !apple | Jul 07 17:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] WordPress.com Gains Support For OAuth2, Dedicated Developer Portal (TechCrunch): http://tcrn.ch/qArWvw | Jul 07 17:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @jonobacon LugRadio Reunion 2011 - http://t.co/taZrkRv #lugradio | Jul 07 17:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] @fabsh possibly, but he said she said doesn't mean anything the minute violence, implied or joked about, is involved. that was the dick mv. | Jul 07 18:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] @fabsh I dig all you guys, LAS and LO, but I was disappointed about the violence statement as it undermined all other discussion. | Jul 07 18:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Rocking the #Taming T-shirt. :) http://ur1.ca/4nqek | Jul 07 18:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon I dunno. Sticking to what you believe isn't a dick move I think. I'm just more honest then other people. | Jul 07 18:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon If you're gonna be an asshole in my face, I might just deck you. I'm honest about that. For better or worse. | Jul 07 18:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon The world isn't a magical ponyland. Sometimes you gotta roll the hard six. | Jul 07 18:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] thanks @osamak for TinyOgg, for however long it has lasted! ♻ @sazius: @gryps75 Please read: http://ur1.ca/4nqey | Jul 07 18:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon And what "other discussion"? He was being a total dick spreading lies and BS about us to get PR for his show. | Jul 07 18:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon If someone's going to insult me just for the sake of it, they gotta be prepared for the consequences. Bloody crybabies.... | Jul 07 18:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @reality: You fucking scummy bastards. I hope you all die. I hope you all burn. | Jul 07 18:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @kirschner On http://xkcd.com/920/ !freesoftware users think: I hope the video they want to watch on my computer is available in #htm ... | Jul 07 18:11 | |
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| schestowitz | [17:16] <amarsh04> schestowitz, my cousin recently released a book and has been on radio about the subjects that it covers: http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2011/07/07/3263624.htm | Jul 07 18:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Harmony is greatly overrated. I'd much prefer everyone would say what they think instead of hiding behind false smiles. | Jul 07 18:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] In 2008 Canada's air pollution caused 21,000 premature deaths, 92,000 ER visits, & 620,000 doctor visits http://is.gd/UqhZAi (PDF) | Jul 07 18:14 | |
| schestowitz | Nice! | Jul 07 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | [17:03] <ender_33> Anyone using Google+ ? | Jul 07 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Is Google++ object-oriented? | Jul 07 18:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | =| | Jul 07 18:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/iphigenie/status/88959424525373441 | Jul 07 18:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @iphigenie: @schestowitz I didnt see anyone complaining when Sun was doing it, though... And it wasnt any better or worse | Jul 07 18:17 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/iphigenie/status/88983103669932032 https://twitter.com/iphigenie/status/88984348711325697 | Jul 07 18:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @iphigenie: @schestowitz the CS department perhaps - sponsorship of events, chairs and scholarships - and nothing but Sun in the labs... seems like it | Jul 07 18:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @iphigenie: @schestowitz I remember how much a compiler used to cost per user... Unis got them free... (thank GNU that nonsense is long past) | Jul 07 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Which CS department is it that Sun *paid*, if any? | Jul 07 18:17 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wayneborean/status/88988576586539008 | Jul 07 18:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @wayneborean: @schestowitz Your RSS feed http://techrights.org/feed/ does not see to be working. #rss | Jul 07 18:18 |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Jul 07 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Maybe broken cache. Works now. Does it work for others too? | Jul 07 18:18 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/eugeni_dodonov/status/88996023699111936 | Jul 07 18:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @eugeni_dodonov: @schestowitz I certainly will :) | Jul 07 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Fantastic! | Jul 07 18:18 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: see ^^ | Jul 07 18:18 |
| schestowitz | @eugeni_dodonov left mandriva | Jul 07 18:19 |
| schestowitz | He's joining mageia, it seems... | Jul 07 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah someone left Mandriva I saw something about that on ostastic | Jul 07 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Did you see my dent about when the next release is expected to be? | Jul 07 18:19 |
| schestowitz | whose? Mand? | Jul 07 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia | Jul 07 18:20 |
| schestowitz | I need to do blog posts now.. | Jul 07 18:20 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: haven't, no... | Jul 07 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: http://identi.ca/group/mageia | Jul 07 18:20 |
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| sebsebseb | Came in here as well when I did it | Jul 07 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | . | Jul 07 18:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @glynmoody: #IFPI Boss Quits Following Tax #Fraud Allegations - http://bit.ly/qCNXB7 what fine, upstanding people #musicbiz | Jul 07 18:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Data Journalism, Data Tools, and the Newsroom stack (O'Reilly Radar) | http://oreil.ly/pOBNPR #opendata #opengov | Jul 07 18:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Gods. I'm like Tired Central here. I think I'll go chill out with that Dire Straits Bluray I just bought for a bit. | Jul 07 18:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @glynmoody: Dear People Of #Australia: If You Don't Want Widespread Gov't Censorship Of The Internet, Speak Up Now - http://bit.ly/qsgp3j | Jul 07 18:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @openbytes LINK: Brazilian government signs up to develop OpenOffice and LibreOffice http://is.gd/i8dAZe | Jul 07 18:22 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Shame it won't be until next year. | Jul 07 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: jono 9 months seems like such a long time for me to wait untill a final release, to used to Ubuntu with it's 6 months release cycle. | Jul 07 18:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @noyesk: All new e-governance projects must work on open source operating systems: Draft http://bit.ly/nfGz6D #opensource | Jul 07 18:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Also wegen solcher Leute wie die vom #NOTW brauchen wir ein Leistungsschutzrecht? #undallesoyeah | Jul 07 18:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] @fabsh not denying that Bryan handled his feedback in a disappointing way, but I was disappointed by your reaction to it. Violence is bad. | Jul 07 18:29 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Empty reply from server ( http://bit.ly/nfGz6D ) | Jul 07 18:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @linuxchiq: Mark Knopfler FTW | Jul 07 18:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon I want to point out that there was no actual violence involved. Actually not even a threat as I used the subjunctive mood. | Jul 07 18:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @methoddan: Yep, I am the law!!! ;) | Jul 07 18:32 | |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: mayeb jono will defect to mageia ;- | Jul 07 18:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon My actual point was that he has a big mouth and nothing beyond. I doubt very much he'd said anything IRL. | Jul 07 18:34 | |
| *DaemonFC (~ryan@adsl-108-72-234-78.dsl.sbndin.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights | Jul 07 18:34 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Nope unlikely, Canonical have their clutches on him way to much already :D | Jul 07 18:35 |
| jono | schestowitz unlikely :-) | Jul 07 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.christoph-wickert.de/blog/2011/07/07/linux-new-media-to-ship-thousands-of-fedora-dvds/ | Jul 07 18:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux New Media to ship thousands of Fedora DVDs | Welt Weit Wickert .::. Size~: 42.96 KB | Jul 07 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | anything jono says is highly suspect considering his employer | Jul 07 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: heh | Jul 07 18:36 |
| jono | DaemonFC, of course | Jul 07 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | that said, jono himself is generally not a dick | Jul 07 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 07 18:36 |
| jono | who can trust Canonical? | Jul 07 18:36 |
| jono | :-) | Jul 07 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | jono, I felt the need for a disclaimer | Jul 07 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | anyway Mageia 2 Wednesday 4th April 2012 hmm | Jul 07 18:36 |
| jono | DaemonFC, cheers, pal :-) | Jul 07 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 07 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | ah well will be testing out development versions of Mageia and Ubuntu on this computer this year, pshyicall installs :D | Jul 07 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | The Linux Mint Debian Edition isn't bad, but it only comes in GNOME and XFCE | Jul 07 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | if they did a LMDE with bleeding edge KDE I might have to try it | Jul 07 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | Debian moves a little slow even if you gauge them by Sid | Jul 07 18:38 |
| *sebsebseb thinks jono should try out Fedora 15 soon | Jul 07 18:38 | |
| DaemonFC | Debian finally has KDE 4.6 packages in Testing | Jul 07 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | that only took them like, forever | Jul 07 18:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Google doubling Google+ population http://is.gd/MYAEO2 !google !facebook !microsoft ;) | Jul 07 18:39 | |
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| sebsebseb | _Goblin: schestowitz Have you tried Google+ yet? | Jul 07 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | when you're small, doubling your userbase is not hard | Jul 07 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | or anyone else here? | Jul 07 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | you have 1 user, then 2, and you doubled | Jul 07 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: who? | Jul 07 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | when you get large, it is harder to do | Jul 07 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | a million users, add 1 is far from doubling :) | Jul 07 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | jono: Oh yeah apparnatly you become a regular listener of TechBytes, how come? | Jul 07 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | the more users you have the more you need to "double" | Jul 07 18:41 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: no :( still waiting for the invite | Jul 07 18:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] @fabsh well, whichever way people paint it, in my mind the minute you referenced breaking his arms, you stooped too low. | Jul 07 18:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] #Foursquare goes "Android First" > http://nd.gd/rr cc @nj3ma @RamanusAsango @startupKenya @kenyandroid @androidKE @kelzOKO @fredmanglis | Jul 07 18:41 | |
| jono | sebsebseb, hardly regular, I check it out every so often | Jul 07 18:41 |
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| DaemonFC | that Google+ spam | Jul 07 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | jono: ok :) | Jul 07 18:41 |
| _Goblin | I liked Google Wave....shame it was dropped | Jul 07 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't have any guarantees that jono's favorite C# applications will work right | Jul 07 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | so he gives up | Jul 07 18:42 |
| jono | DaemonFC, that's right | Jul 07 18:42 |
| jono | all hail C# | Jul 07 18:42 |
| jono | and our glorious .NET overlords | Jul 07 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | see, now we have him on record | Jul 07 18:42 |
| _Goblin | We are c# resistance is futile.... ;) | Jul 07 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | secretly DaemonFC loves Mono :D | Jul 07 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | uhhhm, no | Jul 07 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 07 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | I try Banshee and Pinta out from time to time, see that I still dislike them | Jul 07 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | purge mono totally | Jul 07 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | same time a few months from now | Jul 07 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 07 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | even if you ignore the fact they need Microsoft API to run, they are hardly best of breed applications for what they do | Jul 07 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: ah, but trying Banshee for example, will have meant you have used Mono by choice | Jul 07 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | since you knew it used Mono | Jul 07 18:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] @fabsh you could have made that point far better without making schoolyard threats. Bryan apologized on his blog, maybe an apology from you? | Jul 07 18:44 | |
| DaemonFC | I have used Mono before | Jul 07 18:44 |
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| DaemonFC | nothing I use regularly needs it because there's no decent applications built in it | Jul 07 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | no matter how large the Banshee changelog gets it is still defective | Jul 07 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | it ignores xdg and other freedesktop.org specs for example | Jul 07 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | and uses whatever is GNOME-specific | Jul 07 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | jono: anyway to the Mono thing, yes it might cause some problems here and there, moral issues and maybe patents in the future, but uhmmm, Banshee and F-Spot are good programs for example, I don't hate or strongly dislike Mono | Jul 07 18:45 |
| _Goblin | then (and heres an outragious suggestion) | Jul 07 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | so it's very hard to make Banshee work right on KDE | Jul 07 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | and Pinta usually just crashes | Jul 07 18:45 |
| _Goblin | why does it bother you if no packages you like depend on it? Dare I say ignore it DaemonFC ? | Jul 07 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | yeah the evil Microsoft might try and use Mono against us uhmm yeah maybe, but now loads of big companies are starting to get behind Linux as well, Toyota joining the Linux Foundation recently for example | Jul 07 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | oh and Micrsooft isn't evil or is it? | Jul 07 18:46 |
| _Goblin | only in jest....Microsoft is doing what any company would do....whatever it takes to dominate the market | Jul 07 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, well, I just think it's funny that by "supports Linux" they mean only if you have GNOME or Bastard GNOME (Unity) | Jul 07 18:47 |
| _Goblin | hey.... | Jul 07 18:47 |
| _Goblin | nothing wrong with Unity..... | Jul 07 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | if you use other desktop environments, the software built on Mono wil probably malfunction or fail to work at all | Jul 07 18:47 |
| _Goblin | my wife is a huge supporter | Jul 07 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: one thing if anything really, how it has copyright assignemnts, but sure other then that, it's ok | Jul 07 18:47 |
| _Goblin | infact she is preferring the desktop with Unity to her Mac....I take that as a success for Canonical.... | Jul 07 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | most well behaved applications don't care what desktop they run under | Jul 07 18:47 |
| _Goblin | might get the wife on Techbytes...... | Jul 07 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: yeah that could be interesting | Jul 07 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | she can talk about what she thinks of Unity and what not | Jul 07 18:48 |
| _Goblin | she represents the mainstream user who has no interest in tech other than to use the PC as a tool | Jul 07 18:48 |
| _Goblin | thats why I consider that Canonical is on to something with Unity.... | Jul 07 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | Canonical often defends their non-standard software by saying it fills a gap or implements a freedesktop.org spec | Jul 07 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | when in fact a lot of what they do violates freedesktop.org specs | Jul 07 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | and they ship software that barely works under KDE or other non-GNOME/Bastard GNOME desktops | Jul 07 18:49 |
| _Goblin | well I can't stand KDE...... | Jul 07 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: jono I was thinking about it earlier actsually, how to begin wtih Ubuntu just bassically took Debian and didn't do that much with it, and how the first LTS was delayed by two months as well, and now more recently they are trying to inovate the desktop really with Unity and such, now that it's more established | Jul 07 18:50 |
| jono | sebsebseb, sorry, I don't have time to talk, I am at work | Jul 07 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | jono: oh right yeah of course | Jul 07 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | no problem | Jul 07 18:50 |
| jono | :-) | Jul 07 18:50 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: talking of Ubuntu..... I'm looking at ArtistX (as soon as the 3.5gb download is finished)......featured on distro watch...thought I would give it a go.. | Jul 07 18:51 |
| sebsebseb | I think I read something about that one | Jul 07 18:51 |
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| sebsebseb | _Goblin: well Ubuntu 11.10 alph 2 is out released today | Jul 07 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: going to try Ubuntu 11.10 alpha 1 on real hardweare, alpha 2, and Linux Mint latest version for a bit as well, and then put Mageia on :) | Jul 07 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | and all this week that's the plan | Jul 07 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: oh and been trying out Ubuntu TestDrive even a bit, easilly downloads the latest ISO then virtual machine it | Jul 07 18:54 |
| sebsebseb | and not sure if I can use Mint's equivlient to Wubi, since Windows partitoin is, but after re installing Vista, I would try to install that in it | Jul 07 18:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security advisories for Thursday http://lwn.net/Articles/450665/rss | Jul 07 18:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Colorful Search Tabs for quick searching http://mozillalabs.com/prospector/2011/07/07/colorful-search-tabs-for-quick-searching/ | Jul 07 18:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Now Paula #Hunter (Exec Dir #Outercurve ) has responded to my article on #Harmony: http://ur1.ca/4nqm5 | Jul 07 18:54 | |
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| sebsebseb | _Goblin: as for distros well most of them take quite a bit to get made, and we have lots of choice, use what we want at the time I guess | Jul 07 18:54 |
| sebsebseb | basicalley | Jul 07 18:54 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: anyway nice listening to Swedish Power Metal again :D | Jul 07 18:55 |
| _Goblin | :) | Jul 07 18:55 |
| sebsebseb | another song to what was before on last.fm | Jul 07 18:55 |
| sebsebseb | ,but this is in Swedish | Jul 07 18:55 |
| sebsebseb | the song is in Swedish so I can understand it :) or most of it | Jul 07 18:55 |
| sebsebseb | well Swedish power metal with strong folk influences, but it's about to finnish | Jul 07 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | eebrah: hmm you left the other channel, but your still here | Jul 07 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | metal in Swedish.... | Jul 07 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | there's a pleasant thought | Jul 07 18:57 |
| eebrah | sebsebseb: yup! was getting kind of lonely! | Jul 07 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 07 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | eebrah: well that's how IRC channels tend to get | Jul 07 18:58 |
| sebsebseb | since there isn't chat pretty much all the timei n most of them | Jul 07 18:58 |
| eebrah | sebsebseb: I know, :( | Jul 07 18:58 |
| sebsebseb | and I was chatting here | Jul 07 18:58 |
| sebsebseb | so hadn't replied | Jul 07 18:58 |
| eebrah | I like the discussion going on here | Jul 07 18:59 |
| sebsebseb | eebrah: ,but anyway yeah since the Mageia IRC community isn't that big yet, I don't see getting anymore than 20 or so people any time soon for that hcannel | Jul 07 18:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT: @georgegalloway Video of me speaking in Seattle in 2005 - please share http://is.gd/KXrwUo | Jul 07 18:59 | |
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| sebsebseb | eebrah: espesailly now also that Mageia 2 won't be released until next year as well | Jul 07 18:59 |
| eebrah | sebsebseb: well I guess one cannot be "All mageia, all the time" | Jul 07 19:00 |
| eebrah | but I am sure the community shall grow | Jul 07 19:00 |
| sebsebseb | eebrah: what you mean one cannot be all Mageia all the time? | Jul 07 19:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] One very good reason why I am totally uninterested in a UK Huffington Post........Tony Blair. On that basis alone I refuse to visit. | Jul 07 19:01 | |
| eebrah | sebsebseb: You cannot chat only about a single topic at all times | Jul 07 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | eebrah: I help with more than one distro | Jul 07 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | not so keen on Ubuntu anymore overall though | Jul 07 19:01 |
| eebrah | sebsebseb: Sometimes you have to roam the chatrooms, like me now | Jul 07 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | eebrah: 1600 or so people in the biggest channel on Freenode right now, yep the one for Ubuntu the big support channel | Jul 07 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | they steal most people who are interested in Desktop Linux | Jul 07 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | "In the past we had many situations like this one, too: 3 Board members produced a spin for SXSW that violated all kinds of guidelines, not only the trademark guidelines. Did anyone of them get trouble? No, because they all happen to work for Red Hat." | Jul 07 19:02 |
| eebrah | yeah, I have ubuntu experience, I help with it but no longer excited by it | Jul 07 19:02 |
| eebrah | help others that is | Jul 07 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | new people | Jul 07 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 07 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | and then mint in second place I guess it is | Jul 07 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | and Fedora channel on here only gets about 800 people in it | Jul 07 19:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Our webcast with Todd Park begins in one hour (3PM Eastern)! Official hashtag is #oywf. Register here: http://ow.ly/5yLeY | Jul 07 19:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] John O'Shea will be sorely missed :( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seejAiq6V7A !ManUtd | Jul 07 19:02 | |
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| eebrah | fond channels for basically every distro out there | Jul 07 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | eebrah: we should probably use our Ubuntu skills to help with Mint really, if we are going to be using them | Jul 07 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | fond channels? | Jul 07 19:03 |
| eebrah | *found | Jul 07 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | found? | Jul 07 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | nearly every distro that is still made today and that is popular enough, has a channel or more on here, sure | Jul 07 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | if what's what you mean? | Jul 07 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | well, jono was nice enough to make sure #debian gets crapflooded with Ubuntu users nearly every Ubuntu alpha cycle when XChat goes to #debian by default | Jul 07 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: oh? | Jul 07 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | well that's not jono 's fault | Jul 07 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | I know :) | Jul 07 19:05 |
| sebsebseb | eebrah: anyway since Ubuntu has so many users | Jul 07 19:05 |
| sebsebseb | and other distros not as many by a long way in the IRC channel/s | Jul 07 19:05 |
| sebsebseb | I feel much more needed helping with others in IRC :) | Jul 07 19:05 |
| sebsebseb | when I can | Jul 07 19:05 |
| sebsebseb | and there's sometone there and I am and yeah | Jul 07 19:06 |
| sebsebseb | eebrah: Why has the Ubuntu hype woren off on you? | Jul 07 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=intel_915g3d_jun2011&image=intel_mesa_broken_show&w=1920 | Jul 07 19:08 |
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| DaemonFC | There's Intel just working | Jul 07 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 07 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | Intel 945 | Jul 07 19:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Verification of Your Gmail Account: http://bit.ly/qKv7FB #scammers #scams | Jul 07 19:09 | |
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| ender_33 | Intel 945 is so old | Jul 07 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, and those Chromebooks are using it | Jul 07 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | the Intel Gallium3d driver is actually slower than the classic Mesa driver | Jul 07 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | when on AMD and Nvidia cards, Gallium3d drivers are much faster than their classic Mesa counterparts | Jul 07 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | I guess you could chalk it up to more work having been done on them | Jul 07 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | at one point (especially before Gallium3d used LLVM), the classic Mesa drivers were faster on my RadeonHD 5670 | Jul 07 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | but much more buggy :) | Jul 07 19:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @lincoln: Parabéns à equipe do #jabberbr (@cascardo, @metal e @phractal) pelo bom trabalho: http://ur1.ca/4npvl #xmpp | Jul 07 19:12 | |
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| DaemonFC | and missing OpenGL features that Gallium had | Jul 07 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | for example, the classic Mesa r600c driver will run Sauerbraten, but water is black, and you can't see the weapon your character is holding | Jul 07 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 07 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | r600g is not only more than twice as fast, it renders everything well | Jul 07 19:14 |
| *DaemonFC thinks they should just cut off Classic Mesa entirely and tell Intel to get their shit together | Jul 07 19:14 | |
| DaemonFC | it bloats the Mesa bundle when some Intel drivers can use Gallium and some are left on Classic Mesa | Jul 07 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | there seems to be no community at all behind Intel, and if they no longer sell a chipset, the driver code becomes bitrot | Jul 07 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | there's some that still need userspace mode setting, and a few that require dri1 | Jul 07 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | (which have been dropped by Ubuntu and Fedora at least) | Jul 07 19:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Federal Agents Unhappy About Microsoft’s and Apple’s Patent Strategy, Reversals Possible http://ur1.ca/4nqqc #microsoft #apple #swpats | Jul 07 19:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Federal Agents Unhappy About Microsoft’s and Apple’s Patent Strategy, Reversals Possible http://ur1.ca/4nqqc #monopoly #nortel #cptn | Jul 07 19:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Thought I would return to Nethack...its been years...still returns its charms! | Jul 07 19:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] #Microsoft Gains From Squashing Novell’s Business http://ur1.ca/4nqrs #novell #swpats #suse #opensuse #gnu #linux | Jul 07 19:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft Gains From Squashing Novell’s Business http://ur1.ca/4nqrs #attachmate | Jul 07 19:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] RT @cwebber !orgmode 7.6 out w/ OpenDocument Text support! And other things :) http://ur1.ca/4nqhm | Jul 07 19:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] did I just hear "I don't have an Identerker account"? /me thinks so | Jul 07 19:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @lxoliva These rarely get enforced. Heh. Did you think that govt. serves people's interests *first*? :-) | Jul 07 19:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @wayneborean One of my wordpress sites (I have 6) totally had the main RSS feed die. Never found the problem, issued a workaround instead. | Jul 07 19:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Our conversation with @Todd_Park beings in 20 minutes! Join us: http://ow.ly/5z78V #oywf | Jul 07 19:39 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Joint Workshop on Mobile and Web Technologies in Social and Economic Development Report Available http://ow.ly/1dFINP | Jul 07 19:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Internal Market Commissioner Michel Barnier and Polish Presidency Named and Shamed for Patent Policy http://ur1.ca/4nqu3 #france #poland | Jul 07 19:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Internal Market Commissioner Michel Barnier and Polish Presidency Named and Shamed for Patent Policy http://ur1.ca/4nqu3 #swpats #law #eu | Jul 07 19:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @pedroparanagua: Lançada consulta pública de novo PL sobre #cibercrimes como alternativa ao #PLAzeredo http://migre.me/5ctaw | Jul 07 19:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @pedroparanagua: Os prop do novo PL #cibercrimes @pauloteixeira13 @deputadamanuela @erundinapsb @brizola_neto @joao_arruda @Emiliano_Jose | Jul 07 19:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] My new toy: an LG ST600 SMART TV upgrader http://goo.gl/3r6GH | Jul 07 19:54 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Consulta pública sobre PL dos crimes na internet | Paulo Teixeira .::. Size~: 45.72 KB | Jul 07 19:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: LG SMART TV UPGRADER MAKES EVERY TV SMARTER .::. Size~: 32.68 KB | Jul 07 19:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Improving Time Management by Utilising Idle Time http://ur1.ca/4nqv1 using audio and reading... | Jul 07 19:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] @lxoliva Excellent, let us know what you think :) | Jul 07 19:56 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Improving Time Management by Utilising Idle Time .::. Size~: 34.68 KB | Jul 07 19:56 |
| schestowitz | [18:40] <sebsebseb> _Goblin: schestowitz Have you tried Google+ yet? | Jul 07 19:58 |
| schestowitz | won't | Jul 07 19:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Perfect circle http://ur1.ca/4nqvf | Jul 07 19:59 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Why not? | Jul 07 19:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/gif type | Jul 07 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Today there were two oversized women at the pool, I couldn't swin | Jul 07 19:59 |
| schestowitz | I had to dive beneath them back and forth | Jul 07 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | Why won't you try Google+ ? | Jul 07 20:00 |
| schestowitz | I won't try shooting myself either | Jul 07 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | Since you probably woudn't chat to these women on it? :D | Jul 07 20:00 |
| schestowitz | I don't need to chat to strangers | Jul 07 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah how sad, I am sure they would be lovely to chat to on Google+ heh heh | Jul 07 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Been there, done that. ICQ | Jul 07 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | uh chatting to strangers isn't that what you do a lot on Identica and Twitter? | Jul 07 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | and IRC even | Jul 07 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Now we g0 backwards | Jul 07 20:01 |
| schestowitz | From IM to IRC | Jul 07 20:01 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 07 20:01 |
| schestowitz | The comeback of freenode | Jul 07 20:01 |
| schestowitz | I used to use DALNet | Jul 07 20:01 |
| schestowitz | when I was half my age | Jul 07 20:01 |
| MinceR | i used to use dalnet, before the script kiddies destroyed it | Jul 07 20:02 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DALnet | Jul 07 20:02 |
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| MinceR | for only a short time, though | Jul 07 20:02 |
| schestowitz | It' still around, it seems | Jul 07 20:02 |
| cubezzz | hmm, wasn't efnet the grand-daddy? | Jul 07 20:02 |
| MinceR | no | Jul 07 20:03 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: I'm coming to London | Jul 07 20:04 |
| MinceR | it was a-net, afaik | Jul 07 20:04 |
| MinceR | http://daniel.haxx.se/irchistory.html | Jul 07 20:04 |
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| MinceR | or maybe it was an unnamed network | Jul 07 20:05 |
| schestowitz | brb, gotta do some more work today | Jul 07 20:05 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: cool....when? | Jul 07 20:06 |
| *koolhead17 (~atul@unaffiliated/koolhead17) has joined #techrights | Jul 07 20:06 | |
| ender_33 | 14:59 < sebsebseb> Why won't you try Google+ ? | Jul 07 20:07 |
| ender_33 | capitalism | Jul 07 20:07 |
| MinceR | actually, the word you're looking for is "privacy" | Jul 07 20:08 |
| sebsebseb | ender_33: MinceR schestowitz It will go all popular well already is by the sounds of it, and why well it's Google | Jul 07 20:10 |
| sebsebseb | the main streame computer users love Google | Jul 07 20:10 |
| sebsebseb | so do the media | Jul 07 20:10 |
| sebsebseb | I seen stuff on TV about it | Jul 07 20:10 |
| sebsebseb | oh and it's got the Facebook founder on it, which the news like | Jul 07 20:10 |
| ender_33 | mincer - you already don | Jul 07 20:11 |
| ender_33 | don't have any | Jul 07 20:11 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: the next week or two | Jul 07 20:11 |
| schestowitz | wor-related, but I can meet my partner in crime, Tim! | Jul 07 20:12 |
| _Goblin | :) | Jul 07 20:12 |
| _Goblin | cool..... | Jul 07 20:12 |
| schestowitz | The following week i take a week off to be at the lab, might try Unity as well | Jul 07 20:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon We gonna have to agree to disagree on this. I mean, there's a reason I like to watch ice hockey. ;) | Jul 07 20:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon Oh, come on! He totally trolled you guys for PR and it worked. He's so pissed because I'm not giving him any air time. | Jul 07 20:12 | |
| schestowitz | [20:08] <MinceR> actually, the word you're looking for is "privacy" | Jul 07 20:12 |
| schestowitz | control, too | Jul 07 20:13 |
| ender_33 | sebsebseb - They would use it only if Google+ came with source code and you could host it yourself | Jul 07 20:13 |
| MinceR | ender_33: not all the human beings in the universe know all the data about me, so i still have some | Jul 07 20:13 |
| sebsebseb | ender_33: Who? | Jul 07 20:13 |
| ender_33 | mincer - not all human beings but the ones you would need to worry about already know plenty about you | Jul 07 20:13 |
| MinceR | not all of them know everything | Jul 07 20:14 |
| MinceR | probably none of them know everything and not all of them know something | Jul 07 20:14 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Gallery/ | Jul 07 20:14 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon He didn't apologise to me. Also: I totally meant what I said and I'm not gonna pull it back. | Jul 07 20:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon I usually stand by what I write on the Internet and don't delete the stuff a day later and pretend to play nice. | Jul 07 20:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] apparently #NOTW announce the last issue on Sat, rewriting history about how much good stuff they've done, how they've been wronged etc #PR | Jul 07 20:14 | |
| MinceR | might as well at least make it more expensive for them | Jul 07 20:14 |
| ender_33 | mincer - well ignorance _IS_ bliss | Jul 07 20:14 |
| schestowitz | you must be happy | Jul 07 20:15 |
| MinceR | what do you mean by that, ender_33? | Jul 07 20:15 |
| ender_33 | mincer - you keep thinking what you said | Jul 07 20:15 |
| MinceR | ender_33: are you going to keep trolling all day or will you actually contribute something of value? | Jul 07 20:15 |
| schestowitz | he builds computers | Jul 07 20:15 |
| schestowitz | See his youtube channel | Jul 07 20:16 |
| schestowitz | I watched it today | Jul 07 20:16 |
| ender_33 | Mincer - I did, you're being watched regardless of your knowledge of it | Jul 07 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Computer Canada or something | Jul 07 20:16 |
| MinceR | did he rant about communist agents while building them? | Jul 07 20:16 |
| MinceR | ender_33: duh. i know i'm being watched | Jul 07 20:16 |
| MinceR | i know data is being collected about me | Jul 07 20:16 |
| *schestowitz puts MinceR on IRC watchlist | Jul 07 20:16 | |
| MinceR | doesn't mean i can't make it more difficult and limited | Jul 07 20:16 |
| ender_33 | how could you do so? | Jul 07 20:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: that nice-looking chick is watching ya | Jul 07 20:17 |
| ender_33 | quantum cpu's will cut through your encryption | Jul 07 20:17 |
| MinceR | ender_33: for example, by not handing Fuckerberg and Deutsche Telekom neatly categorized and assorted data in forms and whatever | Jul 07 20:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Watching Der Letzte Bulle. #FTW | Jul 07 20:17 | |
| ender_33 | mincer - they'll get it anyways, doesn't matter how you hand it to them | Jul 07 20:18 |
| MinceR | even if they do, it will cost them more | Jul 07 20:18 |
| *gnufreex (~quassel@109-93-249-200.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs) has joined #techrights | Jul 07 20:18 | |
| ender_33 | lol ok | Jul 07 20:18 |
| MinceR | ah, the almighty argument, "lol" | Jul 07 20:19 |
| MinceR | used by children worldwide | Jul 07 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Google+ you shoud have one! | Jul 07 20:19 |
| ender_33 | you said something funny | Jul 07 20:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Major US ISPs Agree To Five Strikes Plan, Rather Than Three http://is.gd/aQv9Zh | Jul 07 20:19 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Major US ISPs Agree To Five Strikes Plan, Rather Than Three | Techdirt .::. Size~: 157.61 KB | Jul 07 20:19 |
| ender_33 | sebsebseb - if you got an invite handy, ill bite | Jul 07 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | you'll bite? | Jul 07 20:20 |
| ender_33 | yeah | Jul 07 20:20 |
| ender_33 | try it out | Jul 07 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | ender_33: oh, but Google may find out about you, if you do | Jul 07 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | more about you | Jul 07 20:20 |
| ender_33 | sebsebseb - the government has been watching me my whole life | Jul 07 20:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] News of the World axed by News International http://is.gd/vEaR4I #NOTW #scum Sundays edition will be a #PR revision | Jul 07 20:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Sabayon Linux 6 Comes Now in Four New Flavours http://dlvr.it/ZL1bv #linux | Jul 07 20:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @Develop4AppUp: Registration is now open for #AppUpElements 2011. Sign up now for the chance to attend. http://intel.ly/nsYclj | Jul 07 20:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: News of the World axed by News International | Media | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 111.39 KB | Jul 07 20:21 |
| MinceR | they might also try to force you into certain contracts | Jul 07 20:21 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Error processing the URL | Jul 07 20:21 |
| MinceR | DT tried that with me | Jul 07 20:21 |
| ender_33 | google is just trying to make money, the government is just trying to control everyone | Jul 07 20:21 |
| MinceR | google is hoarding data indiscriminately | Jul 07 20:21 |
| ender_33 | I figure they already have the data I would put into it | Jul 07 20:21 |
| MinceR | and governments force them by law to give it all up | Jul 07 20:21 |
| ender_33 | techrights is hording data indiscriminately | Jul 07 20:22 |
| MinceR | what sorts of data? | Jul 07 20:22 |
| ender_33 | chat logs | Jul 07 20:22 |
| schestowitz | none | Jul 07 20:22 |
| schestowitz | no, that's public | Jul 07 20:22 |
| MinceR | chat logs are public | Jul 07 20:22 |
| sebsebseb | Techrights has data of MinceR swearing and that kind of thing | Jul 07 20:22 |
| MinceR | the data google collects often isn't public | Jul 07 20:22 |
| schestowitz | httpd logs have logrotate | Jul 07 20:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @qtbynokia: #Qt #Labs Blog - QWebView and friends are looking for a new maintainer http://ow.ly/1dFIvd | Jul 07 20:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] will any "news" organisation employ now unemployed #NOTW staff? or take the safe route & assume they're scum & refuse to hire them? | Jul 07 20:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] when #NOTW constantly lie about how endemic the unethical behaviour goes, you have to assume all their staff are at it | Jul 07 20:22 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: QWebView and friends are looking for a new maintainer .::. Size~: 40.17 KB | Jul 07 20:22 |
| schestowitz | 4 weeks retention just in case of DDOS or some invetigation | Jul 07 20:23 |
| MinceR | how long do access logs stick around? | Jul 07 20:23 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 07 20:23 |
| schestowitz | in the past retention was none | Jul 07 20:23 |
| ender_33 | you don't think the techrights irc logs would give google and others a better idea on what you are like? | Jul 07 20:23 |
| MinceR | google even keeps their cookie around for longer than that :> | Jul 07 20:23 |
| schestowitz | which is a problem if you get attacked and have no clue what's going on | Jul 07 20:23 |
| ender_33 | I'd fear that over Google | Jul 07 20:23 |
| MinceR | ender_33: i can easily exclude sensitive data from these conversations | Jul 07 20:23 |
| MinceR | not so easy to exclude them from private e-mail and search terms | Jul 07 20:23 |
| schestowitz | [20:23] <ender_33> you don't think the techrights irc logs would give google and others a better idea on what you are like? | Jul 07 20:23 |
| ender_33 | what is the techrights privacy policy | Jul 07 20:23 |
| schestowitz | probably for the better | Jul 07 20:23 |
| MinceR | or from location data | Jul 07 20:23 |
| ender_33 | what happens to the logs | Jul 07 20:23 |
| schestowitz | I behave better when it's logged | Jul 07 20:24 |
| ender_33 | do they get deleted | Jul 07 20:24 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: how do you behave when it isn't? | Jul 07 20:24 |
| ender_33 | do they get anonymized after time? | Jul 07 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | ender_33: They end up on Google that's what happens to them | Jul 07 20:24 |
| schestowitz | in jabber a rarely curse | Jul 07 20:24 |
| MinceR | oh noes | Jul 07 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | ender_33: or linked to from Google anyway | Jul 07 20:24 |
| schestowitz | [20:23] <ender_33> what happens to the logs | Jul 07 20:24 |
| ender_33 | basicly everything said in this channel, google knows about | Jul 07 20:24 |
| ender_33 | why does it matter | Jul 07 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Same thing that happens to them on your PC | Jul 07 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Isn't your IRC client logging? | Jul 07 20:24 |
| schestowitz | just like Google, you horad it privately | Jul 07 20:25 |
| ender_33 | how do you know I didn't turn off logging? | Jul 07 20:25 |
| schestowitz | It's Fuc***berg who hoards it publicly cause kids are too dumb to care | Jul 07 20:25 |
| MinceR | ender_33: google told him | Jul 07 20:25 |
| schestowitz | lol omg i sed this like 15 yrs ago.. its still publoic omg omg omg | Jul 07 20:25 |
| ender_33 | its still public but theres nothing we can do about it | Jul 07 20:25 |
| schestowitz | freenode logs it | Jul 07 20:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] @nj3ma @fredmanglis @kelzOKO @tcsmola > http://daniel.haxx.se/irchistory.html | Jul 07 20:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] no doubt most of the staff will be absorbed into #Muroch's other lynch mob leaders / propaganda networks to carry on as before | Jul 07 20:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] well, carry on as before with one difference "don't get caught next time" #NOTW | Jul 07 20:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @x11r5 why would it be? I'd be torn between firefox and looking through my window nets. Sorry, no blood suckers allowed | Jul 07 20:26 | |
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| schestowitz | and it has some former MSFT employees in it | Jul 07 20:26 |
| MinceR | even if the logs weren't published, there's always the possibility of a participant of the channel publishing them | Jul 07 20:26 |
| schestowitz | They can probably read PMs too | Jul 07 20:26 |
| schestowitz | and skype | Jul 07 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft that is... | Jul 07 20:26 |
| ender_33 | I doubt it | Jul 07 20:26 |
| ender_33 | you kind of need evidence for that | Jul 07 20:26 |
| schestowitz | !google skype cina spy im | Jul 07 20:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Yes, China Is Spying On Skype Conversations | Techdirt | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081002/0903442435.shtml | Jul 07 20:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Free power movement propelled by Skype news: Internet security ... | http://article.wn.com/view/2011/05/09/Free_power_movement_propelled_by_Skype_news_Internet_securit/ | Jul 07 20:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Scientific Linux Forum.org -> Bye bye Skype, top-3 free replacements | http://scientificlinuxforum.org/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D332 | Jul 07 20:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Skype spies give pause for thought in China - Times Online | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article4873680.ece | Jul 07 20:27 |
| schestowitz | brb | Jul 07 20:27 |
| ender_33 | just because I worked at Canada Computers, it doesn't mean i'm an evil fucktard who robs employees of fair wages | Jul 07 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | Canada Computers? | Jul 07 20:28 |
| ender_33 | I don't rip customers off just because I worked at Canada Computers | Jul 07 20:28 |
| ender_33 | I don't knowingly sell defective products because I used to work at Canada Computers | Jul 07 20:28 |
| ender_33 | just because someone had a job somewhere, doesnt mean they keep working there | Jul 07 20:28 |
| ender_33 | you need evidence for that | Jul 07 20:28 |
| ender_33 | Elop, you were lucky because prior to the MS-Nokia announcement there was no evidence | Jul 07 20:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @x11r5: why would it be? I'd be torn between firefox and looking through my window nets. Sorry, no blood suckers allowed | Jul 07 20:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] ♺ @firusvg: Cassini Spacecraft Captures Images and Sounds of Big Saturn Storm http://is.gd/xMENjx /cc @openculture | Jul 07 20:29 | |
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| MinceR | there wasn't? http://www.linkedin.com/pub/stephen-elop/1/3a0/b31 | Jul 07 20:30 |
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| ender_33 | there wasnt | Jul 07 20:30 |
| schestowitz | ender_33: NIST sponsors face recognition stuff | Jul 07 20:30 |
| ender_33 | just because he went there doesnt mean he was working for MSFT | Jul 07 20:30 |
| ender_33 | it took the announcement of nokia's plans for people to find out what his plan was | Jul 07 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Today I reviewed a paper about it | Jul 07 20:30 |
| MinceR | right, he could have been slacking off for 2y 9m | Jul 07 20:31 |
| MinceR | s/9m/9mo/ | Jul 07 20:31 |
| schestowitz | ender_33: not really | Jul 07 20:32 |
| schestowitz | I follow MSFT closely back then\ | Jul 07 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Since in 2008 another Nordic exec left Microsoff for Vodafone | Jul 07 20:32 |
| schestowitz | And you need to see Ballmer's reaction | Jul 07 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Elop left in good terms with Ballmer's blsessings | Jul 07 20:32 |
| schestowitz | They knew what they were doing | Jul 07 20:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Journalists: get informed interviews regarding the Assange extradition case on July 12th: http://t.co/31g1zjs | Jul 07 20:32 | |
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| ender_33 | good blessings doesn't mean they have a secret agenda | Jul 07 20:33 |
| schestowitz | If other people did not see it, then I can sew the pieces together and show them | Jul 07 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Name one thing where techrights predicted wrongly | Jul 07 20:33 |
| schestowitz | I I give you one minute.. | Jul 07 20:33 |
| schestowitz | ender_33: it wasn't a secret agenda | Jul 07 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Just an agenda | Jul 07 20:34 |
| schestowitz | quite blatant, too | Jul 07 20:34 |
| ender_33 | what have you actually predicted though | Jul 07 20:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Gah! http://www.bibliovault.org/ requires *both* #Flash and !Javascript to download e-book, #Adobe #DigitalEditions to read it #FAIL @nj3ma | Jul 07 20:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] WoW! My *first review* of !InconstantMoon http://ur1.ca/4nqyq Thanks so much @ericswett !SelfPub | Jul 07 20:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] News of the World closure: Murdoch revives the spirit of '86 #NOTW http://is.gd/FJRsuS | Jul 07 20:34 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: News of the World closure: Murdoch revives the spirit of '86 | Peter Wilby | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 218.41 KB | Jul 07 20:34 |
| schestowitz | ok, time's up | Jul 07 20:35 |
| ender_33 | a minute isn't enough time to even cross check one of your links | Jul 07 20:35 |
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| ender_33 | heres a better activity, the skype prediction you made | Jul 07 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Cause it's easier to read corporate pres with 00m links.... | Jul 07 20:37 |
| ender_33 | microsoft will remove skype from linux | Jul 07 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Just statements | Jul 07 20:37 |
| ender_33 | lets see if that happens | Jul 07 20:37 |
| ender_33 | my prediction was that they were bringing it to the US for monitoring purposes | Jul 07 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft, the world's respected innovator | Jul 07 20:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] pay close attention to the #Sun, it'll likely become #NOTW with a new name, same staff, same unethical journalism | Jul 07 20:37 | |
| ender_33 | 15:36 < schestowitz> Cause it's easier to read corporate pres with 00m links.... | Jul 07 20:38 |
| schestowitz | 0 links | Jul 07 20:38 |
| schestowitz | I have some X issues | Jul 07 20:38 |
| ender_33 | you're the only one who links to themselves as evidence | Jul 07 20:38 |
| ender_33 | those links don't always have to do with the story you claim | Jul 07 20:38 |
| schestowitz | so my keyboard stops working when rendering surfaces over SSH | Jul 07 20:39 |
| schestowitz | I link to many external sources | Jul 07 20:39 |
| schestowitz | It's corpriate press that sometimes links to self | Jul 07 20:39 |
| schestowitz | And see whatr Phoronix does | Jul 07 20:39 |
| ender_33 | in a related stories section | Jul 07 20:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Cheers to the winners of EFF's #defcon 19 Getaway Contest! See you in Vegas! https://eff.org/r.28b | Jul 07 20:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Hyper-local journalism strays from news coverage to cover more traffic-generating salacious stories (Street Fight): http://bit.ly/pImkl8 | Jul 07 20:39 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: DEF CON 19 Getaway Contest - THE WINNERS! | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 19.26 KB | Jul 07 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | If you criticise cross-refs | Jul 07 20:39 |
| ender_33 | let me point out a recent example | Jul 07 20:39 |
| schestowitz | ok | Jul 07 20:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Listening to Tuxjam - Its a nice audiocast. Good delivery, nice production....great stuff! http://tuxjam.blogspot.com/ #linux #foss #ogg | Jul 07 20:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] #Skating in the evening with a best friend that is #life http://bit.ly/mX7eZi | Jul 07 20:41 | |
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| ender_33 | http://techrights.org/2011/06/30/mike-kestner-leaves-xamarin/ | Jul 07 20:42 |
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| ender_33 | To make matters even worse, Microsoft is kicking parts of .NET to the curb [1, 2, 3]. | Jul 07 20:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "the #Guardian were gunning for us" - if you hadn't been unethical scumbag lowlifes they wouldn't have any reason to expose you #NOTW | Jul 07 20:42 | |
| ender_33 | links 1,2,3 don't show that Microsoft is kicking parts of .NET to the curb | Jul 07 20:42 |
| ender_33 | #1 is a review about how bad .NET is | Jul 07 20:43 |
| ender_33 | #2 is a post regarding info you obtained via IRC | Jul 07 20:43 |
| MinceR | they did give up on silver lie, though :> | Jul 07 20:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Aurora 7 is here http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/07/aurora7/ | Jul 07 20:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is jargon with 103 dents! | Jul 07 20:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] by #NOTW thinking, it's the #Police's fault when they catch a rapist, not the rapist for committing the crime itself | Jul 07 20:44 | |
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| ender_33 | #3 goes to http://techrights.org/2011/06/07/microsoft-is-killing-mono/ | Jul 07 20:44 |
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| ender_33 | which doesnt explain really how its abandoning .NET without linking yet again to itself | Jul 07 20:45 |
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| ender_33 | http://techrights.org/2011/06/07/msft-executives-headed-for-the-door/ | Jul 07 20:47 |
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| koolhead17 | schestowitz namaste | Jul 07 20:47 |
| koolhead17 | hey all | Jul 07 20:47 |
| koolhead17 | :P | Jul 07 20:47 |
| ender_33 | tries to say that win8 using html/js means that .net is dead, even though its vapourware? | Jul 07 20:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] Daily round of copyright assignment paperwork signing -- 9 contributors today. !fsf !gnu | Jul 07 20:47 | |
| koolhead17 | _Goblin: ender_33 jono | Jul 07 20:47 |
| koolhead17 | MinceR: | Jul 07 20:48 |
| _Goblin | :) | Jul 07 20:48 |
| schestowitz | [20:45] <ender_33> which doesnt explain really how its abandoning .NET without linking yet again to itself | Jul 07 20:48 |
| schestowitz | kicking to the curb | Jul 07 20:48 |
| schestowitz | they try something else | Jul 07 20:49 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: Hi, on behalf of Ryan Paul and myself, Peter Bright, could I request that you give us credibility scores on http://techrights.org/credibility-index/ ? | Jul 07 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | [20:47] <ender_33> tries to say that win8 using html/js means that .net is dead, even though its vapourware? | Jul 07 20:49 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: we'd love to get zero. | Jul 07 20:49 |
| schestowitz | No, follow the link | Jul 07 20:49 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: hi Peter | Jul 07 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Ryan is OK | Jul 07 20:50 |
| schestowitz | You, on the other hand, did some dishonest articles IMGO | Jul 07 20:50 |
| schestowitz | *HO | Jul 07 20:50 |
| DrPizza | Also, we were disappointed that apparently it's now possible to score a 5. I thought 5 was reserved for RMS (pbuh) himself. | Jul 07 20:50 |
| schestowitz | About those patents-ridden things that Microsoft wanted to spread | Jul 07 20:50 |
| DrPizza | You mean the open industry standards? | Jul 07 20:50 |
| schestowitz | We should all strive to be patent-free and std-compliant | Jul 07 20:50 |
| MinceR | koolhead17: | Jul 07 20:50 |
| DrPizza | But the standard is patented. | Jul 07 20:50 |
| DrPizza | So, for that matter, is WebM. | Jul 07 20:51 |
| koolhead17 | who all is in Europe from this channel | Jul 07 20:51 |
| schestowitz | no | Jul 07 20:51 |
| koolhead17 | :P | Jul 07 20:51 |
| schestowitz | See, that's the problem | Jul 07 20:51 |
| koolhead17 | schestowitz how have you been | Jul 07 20:51 |
| schestowitz | You did what Microsoft Florian did | Jul 07 20:51 |
| DrPizza | No, even Google acknowledges that WebM is patented. | Jul 07 20:51 |
| DrPizza | Google offers a royalty-free patent licence. | Jul 07 20:51 |
| schestowitz | You insinuate that what's supposed to solve the patent headaches is in fact a trap | Jul 07 20:51 |
| MinceR | yes, and they provide a patent license | Jul 07 20:51 |
| DrPizza | But the technology itself is patented. | Jul 07 20:51 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: Sure, but it's _still patented_. | Jul 07 20:51 |
| ender_33 | Schestowitz - yes I read, I even followed the links to the silverlight forums | Jul 07 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Google doesn't have a business model rquiring those limittaions | Jul 07 20:51 |
| MinceR | so? | Jul 07 20:51 |
| MinceR | it will be patented until politicians get a clue and forbid sw patents | Jul 07 20:52 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: <schestowitz> We should all strive to be patent-free and std-compliant | Jul 07 20:52 |
| schestowitz | [20:51] <DrPizza> Google offers a royalty-free patent licence. | Jul 07 20:52 |
| schestowitz | It started building a pool | Jul 07 20:52 |
| schestowitz | And it's not like MPEG-LA | Jul 07 20:52 |
| schestowitz | MPEG-LA is predatory | Jul 07 20:52 |
| MinceR | i suspect they had to, since they're stuck in fights with patent hoarders | Jul 07 20:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Good morning @cer | Jul 07 20:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Microsoft Gains From Squashing Novell’s Business http://is.gd/LCO6FG | Jul 07 20:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @wildcard I'm not denying the inherent fun in lightsabres. Just be careful not to accidentally take off your hand when trimming your nails | Jul 07 20:52 | |
| DrPizza | "hoarders", you mean companies and organizations doing actual research? | Jul 07 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Google's is an attempt to survive in the face of patent bullies | Jul 07 20:52 |
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| ender_33 | schestowitz - i'd like to see adobe port photoshop to html | Jul 07 20:53 |
| schestowitz | That's why Google got device makers sidling with it | Jul 07 20:53 |
| MinceR | WebM patents are under a free patent license; no mpeg-la cartel codecs are licensed that way | Jul 07 20:53 |
| schestowitz | They want to have$ 0 codecs on their phones | Jul 07 20:53 |
| schestowitz | It's generally better to have no chains on our multimdia | Jul 07 20:53 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: no, i mean companies that collect patents | Jul 07 20:53 |
| MinceR | software patents in this case | Jul 07 20:53 |
| DrPizza | unfortunately, the GSM family of specifications includes patented portions | Jul 07 20:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:52] <MinceR> it will be patented until politicians get a clue and forbid sw patents | Jul 07 20:53 |
| schestowitz | It's patented in the US | Jul 07 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Land of the Brave{tm} | Jul 07 20:54 |
| MinceR | land of the free? | Jul 07 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Naaa.. | Jul 07 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Not anymore | Jul 07 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Neither gratis nor libre | Jul 07 20:54 |
| MinceR | i haven't heard of them retracting that claim :> | Jul 07 20:54 |
| schestowitz | They also have patents on seeds | Jul 07 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Careful growing your own crops, Monsanto might come knockin' | Jul 07 20:54 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: yes, GSM is a major problem | Jul 07 20:55 |
| schestowitz | In fact, some such pools killed good tech | Jul 07 20:55 |
| schestowitz | like g4 hybrids | Jul 07 20:55 |
| MinceR | also, there are business method patents | Jul 07 20:55 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Jul 07 20:55 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: given the choice of two patented technologies, why shouldn't I prefer the one with better quality, open standardization, and proper standards (including test suites etc.)? | Jul 07 20:55 |
| schestowitz | We can still tackle the thicket around audio and video compression | Jul 07 20:55 |
| schestowitz | it helps everyone as a 'consumer', too | Jul 07 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Kind of sucks for patent trolls like Larry Horn (MPEG-lA) | Jul 07 20:56 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: do you imply proper free patent licenses in that? | Jul 07 20:56 |
| schestowitz | [20:55] <MinceR> also, there are business method patents | Jul 07 20:56 |
| *schestowitz patents the burger-making | Jul 07 20:56 | |
| MinceR | (that is, the ability to legally use the codec in countries cursed with software patents) | Jul 07 20:56 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: you should patent making a pizza | Jul 07 20:56 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: I don't give a damn about "free"; I have a job, I can afford to pay ten cents for an H.264 license. | Jul 07 20:56 |
| schestowitz | !google macdonalds patent making sandwich | Jul 07 20:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - McDonalds Files To Patent Making a Sandwich - Slashdot | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl%3Fsid%3D08/11/25/0034229 | Jul 07 20:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Two years later, McDonald's sandwich patent can't hold back ... | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10106213-16.html | Jul 07 20:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - David Adam: Can nobody make a sandwich like McDonald's? | Life and ... | http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2006/nov/20/foodanddrink.uk | Jul 07 20:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - McDonald's puts patent on sandwiches | Metro.co.uk | http://www.metro.co.uk/news/26183-mcdonalds-puts-patent-on-sandwiches | Jul 07 20:57 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: are you sure ten cents will result in a license that allows you to deal freely in H.264? | Jul 07 20:57 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: I have no idea what you mean by "deal freely". | Jul 07 20:57 |
| schestowitz | [20:56] <DrPizza> MinceR: I don't give a damn about "free"; I have a job, I can afford to pay ten cents for an H.264 license. | Jul 07 20:57 |
| schestowitz | What about eebrah and others? | Jul 07 20:57 |
| MinceR | encode, decode, share with others, sell to others | Jul 07 20:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[chmod755/@chmod755] read this: http://www.datacell.com/news/2011-07-07/credit_card_donation_to_wikileaks_is_now_accepted_again/ !wikileaks | Jul 07 20:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] "#CERN Launches #OpenHardware Initiative" http://ur1.ca/4nr7g !fs !gnu with quote from !fsfe 's @cpiana | Jul 07 20:57 | |
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| MinceR | and allow others to do the same with it afterward | Jul 07 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | They live where this sort of cost makes a huge difference | Jul 07 20:58 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: No, probably not. But so what? | Jul 07 20:58 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: there's the difference. | Jul 07 20:58 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: some people do care about that. | Jul 07 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Tell the Chinese kids that paying one week's wage for WIndows Starte Edition is "fiar" | Jul 07 20:58 |
| schestowitz | *fair | Jul 07 20:58 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: Then they're free to use MPEG-1, which is probably the most recent patent-free video codec. | Jul 07 20:58 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: for example, ensuring that (video) content one puts on one's website will actually be viewable using free software, even in the USA | Jul 07 20:58 |
| schestowitz | a tax on bita and bytes is artificial scarcity | Jul 07 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Much of the innovation comes from acedmmia | Jul 07 20:59 |
| schestowitz | in 2004 I traveled to Surrey Univerisyt | Jul 07 20:59 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: or they could use Ogg Theora or WebM, which are both of higher quality than MPEG-1 | Jul 07 20:59 |
| schestowitz | I met one postdoc there who worked on improving mpeg4 | Jul 07 20:59 |
| schestowitz | That's where they get the ideas | Jul 07 20:59 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: WebM is patent-encumbered. | Jul 07 20:59 |
| ender_33 | 15:58 < schestowitz> Tell the Chinese kids that paying one week's wage for WIndows Starte Edition is "fiar" | Jul 07 20:59 |
| ender_33 | they steal the full version | Jul 07 20:59 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: yes, and correctly licensed | Jul 07 20:59 |
| schestowitz | They can give those away, it's frm govt. grants anyway | Jul 07 20:59 |
| schestowitz | i.e. taxp[ayers... why should taxpayers be taxed again for the money they gave to resarch? | Jul 07 20:59 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: I don't think so, the patent grant isn't universal. | Jul 07 21:00 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: whom does it not apply to? | Jul 07 21:00 |
| schestowitz | You seem not to understand that many things like pharma patents are the same | Jul 07 21:00 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: patents are evrtyone's enemy, yurs too | Jul 07 21:00 |
| ender_33 | 15:53 <@MinceR> land of the free? | Jul 07 21:00 |
| ender_33 | 15:53 < schestowitz> Naaa.. | Jul 07 21:00 |
| schestowitz | If you're a developer (which I suspect you are), I wish you luck implementing something without being an "offender" | Jul 07 21:00 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: Google's patent pool only applies to Google's codebase. | Jul 07 21:00 |
| ender_33 | they aren't in a EU body | Jul 07 21:00 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: google's codebase is free software | Jul 07 21:01 |
| schestowitz | who has google sued with patents? | Jul 07 21:01 |
| MinceR | under a permissive license | Jul 07 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Quiz time... | Jul 07 21:02 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: I think Google's patent license for its own patents may be broader, but the patent pool i snot. | Jul 07 21:02 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: So? | Jul 07 21:02 |
| schestowitz | tick tock... | Jul 07 21:02 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: Shouldn't I have the freedom to write my own implementation from scratch? | Jul 07 21:02 |
| MinceR | which means you can reuse it for your own uses | Jul 07 21:02 |
| MinceR | you can probably base your implementation on it and rewrite it completely | Jul 07 21:02 |
| MinceR | thus you end up with your own code covered by the patent license | Jul 07 21:02 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: you don't if sw pats exist\ | Jul 07 21:02 |
| DrPizza | Why should I have to work around any such thing? | Jul 07 21:02 |
| DrPizza | Why won't Google's patent pool allow anyone to use the licenses? | Jul 07 21:03 |
| MinceR | ask google about that | Jul 07 21:03 |
| DrPizza | Why restrict it only to derived works? | Jul 07 21:03 |
| MinceR | i don't know | Jul 07 21:03 |
| DrPizza | No, I'm asking the WebM proponents why they accept Google's patented technology. | Jul 07 21:03 |
| MinceR | still, it's a far better deal than H.264 | Jul 07 21:03 |
| DrPizza | Patented ~proprietary~ technology. | Jul 07 21:03 |
| MinceR | because it's free software with a free patent license | Jul 07 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Not really | Jul 07 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Patents are a disclosure | Jul 07 21:03 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: WebM is a patented specification and no universal free patent grant | Jul 07 21:03 |
| schestowitz | With assertition -- possibly -- of 'ownership | Jul 07 21:04 |
| schestowitz | The way they are used varies | Jul 07 21:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @wildcard You would use a lightsaber as a bug zapper? That's bordering on sacrilege :o | Jul 07 21:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Researchers Improve BitTorrent Download Speeds http://is.gd/Ix37fz #piracy #bittorrent | Jul 07 21:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] ♺ @kirschner: "#CERN Launches #OpenHardware Initiative" http://ur1.ca/4nr7g !fs !gnu with quote from !fsfe 's @cpiana | Jul 07 21:04 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Jul 07 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | DrPizza: the patent pool is not Google's | Jul 07 21:04 |
| schestowitz | IIRC it's a bunch of companies throwing in patents in there | Jul 07 21:04 |
| ender_33 | DrPizza - logic isn't a strong point here | Jul 07 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Like OIN | Jul 07 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Android might get something similar soon | Jul 07 21:05 |
| ender_33 | DrPizza - Mono isn't okay to use if you stay with the licensed implementations | Jul 07 21:05 |
| ender_33 | Google's codec is | Jul 07 21:05 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: Google was the one driving the pool and doing the legal work. | Jul 07 21:05 |
| DrPizza | ender_33: lol. | Jul 07 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Google hardly has any patents... maybe 600 in total | Jul 07 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | some of which Google got along with companies it bought | Jul 07 21:05 |
| MinceR | mono's "licensed implementation" isn't covered by patent licenses | Jul 07 21:05 |
| MinceR | not even by covenants not to sue | Jul 07 21:06 |
| ender_33 | then how is it a licensed implementation if it's not covered by licenses | Jul 07 21:06 |
| MinceR | nobody cared to remove the parts that aren't legal to use | Jul 07 21:06 |
| MinceR | you called it a "licensed implementation" | Jul 07 21:06 |
| schestowitz | what a weird legalese world | Jul 07 21:06 |
| MinceR | even though m$ did not give you or anyone else to use all the sw patents required by it | Jul 07 21:06 |
| schestowitz | what is this, driving? | Jul 07 21:06 |
| schestowitz | don't forget to also wear a helmet when you code... | Jul 07 21:07 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: why is this "freedom" (which doesn't exist in the case of WebM, but whatever) more important than, say, quality or ubiquity? | Jul 07 21:07 |
| ender_33 | schestowitz - the modern court system in the US is a derivative of the British court system | Jul 07 21:07 |
| MinceR | they were painfully careful to only make a vague "promise" regarding a subset nobody uses | Jul 07 21:07 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: why are other people not allowed to have different priorities to you? | Jul 07 21:07 |
| ender_33 | schestowitz - you wankers are to blame for ill justice | Jul 07 21:07 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: webm means no flash | Jul 07 21:07 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: why are other people not allowed to have different priorities to you? | Jul 07 21:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wow. All this hardcore Minecraft duplication bug hacking is way beyond me. Oo | Jul 07 21:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Reasons why I like Mick Brisgau: He has balls. He isn't afraid to throw a punch. He's a genuinely nice guy underneath. He has awesome taste. | Jul 07 21:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Just joined the !Jaffa group. Amazing stuff! .D | Jul 07 21:07 | |
| schestowitz | adobe trash won't put webm in the enclosures | Jul 07 21:07 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: no, WebM doesn't mean "no Flash", actually | Jul 07 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Google won't, either | Jul 07 21:07 |
| schestowitz | And it also means no royalties | Jul 07 21:08 |
| DrPizza | Whether you like it or not, content producers want to be able to use DRM. | Jul 07 21:08 |
| schestowitz | The only ones advocating for mpeg-la over webm are Microsoft-loving lobbyists like FlorianM | Jul 07 21:08 |
| DrPizza | And as long as that desire exists, people will use Flash. | Jul 07 21:08 |
| MinceR | i doubt that many video sharing sites use DRM :> | Jul 07 21:08 |
| schestowitz | [21:07] <DrPizza> schestowitz: why are other people not allowed to have different priorities to you? | Jul 07 21:08 |
| schestowitz | The priority of imposing a tax on my own vidoes? | Jul 07 21:08 |
| schestowitz | No thanks | Jul 07 21:08 |
| DrPizza | Huh? | Jul 07 21:08 |
| DrPizza | You're free to use whatever you like for your own videos. | Jul 07 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Ask eebrah how he feels about it | Jul 07 21:09 |
| DrPizza | If you don't want to use H.264, nobody is forcing you. | Jul 07 21:09 |
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| DrPizza | Who the fuck is eebrah, and why do I care about him? | Jul 07 21:09 |
| schestowitz | In some countries mpeg-la (parasite) is a hugfe deal | Jul 07 21:09 |
| schestowitz | *huge | Jul 07 21:09 |
| ender_33 | DrPizza - they live in a world where capitalism no longer exists and everything is community - any entrenchment is heresy and must be killed off | Jul 07 21:09 |
| MinceR | what if i want to view supposedly free content on the web but don't want to use H.264? :> | Jul 07 21:09 |
| schestowitz | [21:08] <DrPizza> Whether you like it or not, content producers want to be able to use DRM. | Jul 07 21:09 |
| schestowitz | More reason to avoid DRM-supporting formats | Jul 07 21:10 |
| MinceR | looks like ender_33 is dedicated to trolling after all | Jul 07 21:10 |
| DrPizza | H.264 doesn't support DRM. | Jul 07 21:10 |
| DrPizza | But Flash does. | Jul 07 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Since when do "content producers" tell /US/ what technology /WE/ need to embrace? | Jul 07 21:10 |
| DrPizza | Once Flash adds WebM, you'll be able to use DRM with WebM, too. | Jul 07 21:10 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: er, since always. | Jul 07 21:10 |
| DrPizza | Just like, if I write a book in English, you need to understand English to read it. | Jul 07 21:10 |
| schestowitz | There's more cntent coming from family videos | Jul 07 21:10 |
| DrPizza | I'm not going to write a book in German or Russian or whatever, just because a German or Russian or whatever wants to read it. | Jul 07 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Not so-called "content producers" (probably meaning the copyright cartel) | Jul 07 21:10 |
| DrPizza | But those family videos are already using H.264. | Jul 07 21:11 |
| ender_33 | 16:10 < schestowitz> There's more cntent coming from family videos | Jul 07 21:11 |
| DrPizza | And their producers are entirely unconcerned with this. | Jul 07 21:11 |
| DrPizza | Since it's zero cost. | Jul 07 21:11 |
| schestowitz | And if their preferences pollute the pool of family videos that are then shackled by DRM and MPEG-LA thickets, then to Hell with those "content" companies | Jul 07 21:11 |
| ender_33 | roy, im not spending my friday night watching your family movies in 3d, im watching Green Lantern | Jul 07 21:11 |
| schestowitz | [21:09] <DrPizza> Who the fuck is eebrah, and why do I care about him | Jul 07 21:11 |
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| DrPizza | ender_33: I wouldn't waste your time, by all accounts it's shit. | Jul 07 21:11 |
| schestowitz | He lives in Kenya... not everyone can afford to have DRM and patent tax | Jul 07 21:12 |
| ender_33 | Drpizza - broken into 2 minute parts or his audio stops working | Jul 07 21:12 |
| schestowitz | The 'West' is like 10% of thr world | Jul 07 21:12 |
| DrPizza | lol | Jul 07 21:12 |
| schestowitz | We cannot just assume to be able to imppse our own tariff on others | Jul 07 21:12 |
| schestowitz | You said you can pay the price, but it's the "let them eatcake" defence | Jul 07 21:12 |
| schestowitz | In my thesis I needed to make my videos uncompressed | Jul 07 21:13 |
| schestowitz | becuase Windows is zealot about not suppoprting free codecs | Jul 07 21:13 |
| schestowitz | When will Windows support Ogg? | Jul 07 21:13 |
| DrPizza | As soon as people give a shit about Ogg. | Jul 07 21:13 |
| schestowitz | And why need I have huge videos just to dodge trap codecs that impede access to my work? | Jul 07 21:13 |
| MinceR | people already are giving shits about Ogg | Jul 07 21:13 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: you don't, you could use MPEG-1 | Jul 07 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Using MPEG-LA is like making a site that rejects surfers who are blind | Jul 07 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Because they are not "much market share/revenue" | Jul 07 21:14 |
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| DrPizza | No it isn't. | Jul 07 21:14 |
| schestowitz | I have a collague who is blind | Jul 07 21:14 |
| DrPizza | There are plenty of zero-cost H.264 implementations out there. | Jul 07 21:14 |
| schestowitz | And I also know people to whom these barriers matter. If Google in itsselfish interests wants to remove some barries, why antagonise them | Jul 07 21:15 |
| MinceR | to be fair, i'm not sure if Kenya has software patents | Jul 07 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | Putting it differently, who does your reporting help? | Jul 07 21:15 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: because they're not m$! | Jul 07 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Larry Horn or society? | Jul 07 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Think about what you do.. | Jul 07 21:15 |
| DrPizza | lol | Jul 07 21:15 |
| MinceR | also, they're not crApple | Jul 07 21:15 |
| schestowitz | oinddee | Jul 07 21:15 |
| ThistleWeb | h264 is only zero cost while the mpeg-la don't change their licencing terms | Jul 07 21:15 |
| DrPizza | ThistleWeb: So? | Jul 07 21:16 |
| MinceR | even then only under restrictive terms | Jul 07 21:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !Identica is being seriously weird today. Posts come and go, conversations not displaying properly / cc @support | Jul 07 21:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @davidmn: @mcnalu certainly cake. It's in the name, when they go off they become hard. Ergo cake. | Jul 07 21:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @chmod755: read this: http://www.datacell.com/news/2011-07-07/credit_card_donation_to_wikileaks_is_now_accepted_again/ #wikileaks | Jul 07 21:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: Ubuntu 11.10 Alpha 2 Released http://goo.gl/LrYMj | Jul 07 21:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] On to whiskey and Danni Lowinski. | Jul 07 21:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Is it true that LugRadio is going to be renamed LoveRadio? | Jul 07 21:16 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Is it true that LugRadio is going to be renamed LoveRadio? | Jul 07 21:16 | |
| ThistleWeb | they've already planned to do that, after it's widley used | Jul 07 21:16 |
| schestowitz | I herad the same lines from Florian | Jul 07 21:16 |
| schestowitz | !google mpeg-la rand florian techrights | Jul 07 21:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft Florian Promotes MPEG-LA at the Expense of ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2010/09/01/msft-florian-promoting-swpats-rand/ | Jul 07 21:16 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - ES: Promotor de Ogg Contraataca Contra el Cartel de MPEG-LA ... | http://techrights.org/2011/06/23/xiph-vs-mpeg-cartel_es/ | Jul 07 21:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Ogg Backer Strikes Back Against the MPEG-LA Cartel | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/06/20/xiph-vs-mpeg-cartel/ | Jul 07 21:16 |
| DrPizza | ThistleWeb: What are you talking about? It's already "widely used". | Jul 07 21:16 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yes, exactly | Jul 07 21:17 |
| schestowitz | They have another srategy | Jul 07 21:17 |
| schestowitz | There's the 'free' stuff | Jul 07 21:17 |
| ThistleWeb | at which point they start to charge people for various uses of it, or force them to spend lots of time and hassle changing it away from h264, if it's way too much hassle, people will just pay bvecause it's easier | Jul 07 21:17 |
| ender_33 | ogg is kind of pointless, disk space is cheap - use flac | Jul 07 21:17 |
| schestowitz | And they they move up the treadmill | Jul 07 21:17 |
| DrPizza | The market is saturated with H.264. | Jul 07 21:17 |
| schestowitz | And they get fresher patents with worse expiration fdates | Jul 07 21:17 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC explained this well actually | Jul 07 21:17 |
| ThistleWeb | exactly, when it's way too much hassle to change, people will just pay | Jul 07 21:17 |
| schestowitz | They have their 'legacy' stuff as free | Jul 07 21:17 |
| DrPizza | H.264 is in DVB, it's in cellphone specs, it's in operating systems, it's in Flash, it's everywhere. | Jul 07 21:17 |
| MinceR | ogg is not just ogg vorbis | Jul 07 21:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Ars Technica: #Samsung releases code of WebCL implementation for WebKit http://goo.gl/QhPwZ | Jul 07 21:17 | |
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| DrPizza | H.264 has saturated the market. | Jul 07 21:17 |
| schestowitz | And they use that to put you on an upgrade wave towards the newer and patent-encumbered ones | Jul 07 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | what did I explain well? :) | Jul 07 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | aside from everything :) | Jul 07 21:18 |
| schestowitz | The solution is to abandon MPEG-LA dependence for good | Jul 07 21:18 |
| ender_33 | mincer - I was refering to vorbis, speex is good for speech | Jul 07 21:18 |
| schestowitz | [21:17] <ender_33> ogg is kind of pointless, disk space is cheap - use flac | Jul 07 21:18 |
| MinceR | there's also the ogg container format and ogg theora | Jul 07 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Bandwidth? | Jul 07 21:18 |
| MinceR | and i think that even flac is under the ogg umbrella now somehow | Jul 07 21:18 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, FLac also has some patents issue, didn't look much into it though | Jul 07 21:18 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: Bandwidth concerns would favour H.264 over WebM. | Jul 07 21:18 |
| schestowitz | [21:17] <DrPizza> The market is saturated with H.264. | Jul 07 21:18 |
| schestowitz | The worldis saturated with cockroaches | Jul 07 21:19 |
| ThistleWeb | the video codec youtube uses is h264, when the mpeg-la made it know they were planning on cashing the blank cheque in the T&C, youtube suddenly started accelerating the html5 options | Jul 07 21:19 |
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| DrPizza | schestowitz: The argumnet was made that "after H.264 is widely used" then they will hike the license fee.s | Jul 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | [21:17] <DrPizza> H.264 has saturated the market. | Jul 07 21:19 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: it's already widely-used. | Jul 07 21:19 |
| DrPizza | Yet they haven't hiked the license fees. | Jul 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | So has Windows and Islam, so? | Jul 07 21:19 |
| ThistleWeb | yet | Jul 07 21:19 |
| DrPizza | ThistleWeb: So when? | Jul 07 21:19 |
| ThistleWeb | ask the mpeg-la | Jul 07 21:19 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: 47.3 seconds from now! | Jul 07 21:20 |
| DrPizza | ThistleWeb: and if they never hike them? | Jul 07 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft allowed Linux to use FAT compat | Jul 07 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | In 2009 it started suing over it | Jul 07 21:20 |
| ThistleWeb | they did announce a date of april 2011 (I think), then withdrew that announcement after some sites like youtube started exploring options | Jul 07 21:20 |
| schestowitz | The FAT licence used to have some sortof waiver | Jul 07 21:20 |
| schestowitz | !google fat patentt techrights | Jul 07 21:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - TomTom | Techrights | http://techrights.org/category/tomtom/ | Jul 07 21:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft Takes a Hit at Linux with More FAT Patents ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2010/01/23/microsoft-swpat-vs-linux-fotomedia-troll/ | Jul 07 21:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - USPTO Starts Rejecting Software Patents While Germany ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2010/04/23/contradicting-epo-rules/ | Jul 07 21:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Techrights/Boycottnovell – Bane or boon? An experience | Manish's ... | http://milky.manishsinha.net/2011/01/16/techrightsboycottnovell-bane-or-boon-an-experience/ | Jul 07 21:21 |
| ThistleWeb | that was an (18mnths from now) type of announcement | Jul 07 21:21 |
| ThistleWeb | for video, h264 is an excellent codec | Jul 07 21:21 |
| schestowitz | I could find you a screenshot about Microsoft using the same trick as MPEG-LA with FAT | Jul 07 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, FLAC is less likely to have patent issues than Vorbis | Jul 07 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | it is a much simpler codec | Jul 07 21:21 |
| ThistleWeb | for audio, ogg is arguably better than mp3 both for quality and size, well for lossy formats anyway | Jul 07 21:22 |
| DrPizza | The higher the compression, the more likely there are to be patent issues. | Jul 07 21:22 |
| schestowitz | it's non-lossy, right\? | Jul 07 21:22 |
| MinceR | FLAC is lossless | Jul 07 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, FLAC is lossless | Jul 07 21:22 |
| DrPizza | (due to complexity) | Jul 07 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | there's also Wavpack | Jul 07 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | better compression, still lossless, free software | Jul 07 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | not as well supported though | Jul 07 21:22 |
| schestowitz | compression theory is really old | Jul 07 21:22 |
| ender_33 | ill stick with flac | Jul 07 21:22 |
| schestowitz | The basics are already covered, even a century back | Jul 07 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | my player now supports wavpack since I use Rockbox | Jul 07 21:23 |
| ender_33 | I can convert flac to other formats without extra loss (as in mp3 to ogg like some fucktards do) | Jul 07 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Shannon's entropy for example | Jul 07 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Those companies don't innovate | Jul 07 21:23 |
| ThistleWeb | <DrPizza> ThistleWeb: and if they never hike them? << that's like saying "it's fine, just lay down on the guiotine, use it as a bed, it's afe as long as the executioner doesn't pull the lever, it's like any other bed | Jul 07 21:23 |
| schestowitz | They just make tiny changes and pretend to be behind all the compression theory | Jul 07 21:23 |
| schestowitz | And they're just another Edison-like troll | Jul 07 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | Ogg Vorbis is the best quality you'll get out of a lossy codec today | Jul 07 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | despite all the AAC marketing | Jul 07 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | and the occasional WMA Pro nonsense | Jul 07 21:23 |
| schestowitz | These days I implement some CRC (code in C) | Jul 07 21:24 |
| schestowitz | It's also very old | Jul 07 21:24 |
| schestowitz | 1970s | Jul 07 21:24 |
| schestowitz | or 60s | Jul 07 21:24 |
| ThistleWeb | the fact is, the axe was built in, it's always above you, it's always gonna have the potential for some exec to pull the lever if their profits go lower than they like, and want to start cashing in | Jul 07 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Same junk, just get over it, hand it over... | Jul 07 21:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: !Ubuntu 11.10 #Oneiric Ocelot Alpha 2 Has Been Released [Screenshots And Video] http://goo.gl/4PXNF | Jul 07 21:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] "Microsoft's Android Shakedown" - http://ur1.ca/4npol #forbes takes note. Keep em coming and look at the #Swpat mess | Jul 07 21:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #iloveubuntu: !Ubuntu 11.10 ALPHA 2 released http://goo.gl/GDaHI | Jul 07 21:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #iloveubuntu: Meet Alarm Clock, handy lightweight !Ubuntu app http://goo.gl/W7Jxi | Jul 07 21:24 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ubuntu 11.10 ALPHA 2 released | iloveubuntu .::. Size~: 21.97 KB | Jul 07 21:24 |
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| DrPizza | ThistleWeb: so what you're saying is that you just have bullshit, FUD, and innuendo. | Jul 07 21:24 |
| schestowitz | they merely make little enhancements and call it "innovation", get a patent | Jul 07 21:24 |
| DrPizza | "but this could happen!!!!111" | Jul 07 21:24 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: no, that's not what he's saying | Jul 07 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Just like Edison | Jul 07 21:24 |
| ThistleWeb | why reserve a right to do something if you have no intention of ever doing it? | Jul 07 21:25 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: he's saying that you're taking chances and talking shit about people who do not take the same chances | Jul 07 21:25 |
| schestowitz | The GPUs and suprior gate density that do a lot of the work (brute force, not ideas) | Jul 07 21:25 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: Who am I talking shit abuot? | Jul 07 21:25 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: I'm not the one with a website calling other people names | Jul 07 21:25 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: ThistleWeb, for example | Jul 07 21:25 |
| DrPizza | or accusuming them of being shills | Jul 07 21:25 |
| DrPizza | er | Jul 07 21:25 |
| DrPizza | accusing | Jul 07 21:25 |
| DrPizza | :op | Jul 07 21:25 |
| DrPizza | wkdfjalfdkjadlkfja | Jul 07 21:25 |
| DrPizza | stupid keyboard | Jul 07 21:25 |
| schestowitz | [21:25] <DrPizza> MinceR: I'm not the one with a website calling other people names | Jul 07 21:26 |
| schestowitz | I didn't call you names | Jul 07 21:26 |
| schestowitz | You like Microsoft | Jul 07 21:26 |
| DrPizza | yes you do | Jul 07 21:26 |
| schestowitz | So I did you a favour | Jul 07 21:26 |
| DrPizza | you call me a "booster" | Jul 07 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, superior quality and status as free software and non-patent encumbered still have a hard time overcoming a much inferior, patented incumbent (MP3) | Jul 07 21:26 |
| MinceR | unless he's someone you know, under a different name | Jul 07 21:26 |
| DrPizza | you call the web site "Fox Technica" | Jul 07 21:26 |
| schestowitz | And called you Microsoft Peter, like Microsoft Emil | Jul 07 21:26 |
| schestowitz | BTW, why did he leave Ars? | Jul 07 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | but their cash cow on MP3 is done next year when the decode patents finish expiring | Jul 07 21:26 |
| DrPizza | You claim that I do PR for Microsoft. | Jul 07 21:26 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: booster is not an insult | Jul 07 21:26 |
| schestowitz | !google opensuse boosters | Jul 07 21:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - openSUSE:Boosters team - openSUSE | http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Boosters_team | Jul 07 21:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Introducing the 'openSUSE Boosters' Team - openSUSE News | http://news.opensuse.org/2009/10/03/introducing-the-opensuse-boosters-team/ | Jul 07 21:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - We're a happy family – The Boosters are - openSUSE News | http://news.opensuse.org/2010/08/05/were-a-happy-family-the-boosters-are-hiring/ | Jul 07 21:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - openSUSE Boosters Year 2010 - openSUSE News | http://news.opensuse.org/2010/12/29/opensuse-boosters-year-2010/ | Jul 07 21:26 |
| DrPizza | lol | Jul 07 21:26 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: you certainly sound like some people who do | Jul 07 21:26 |
| schestowitz | I don't think you know what "booster" even means | Jul 07 21:27 |
| schestowitz | So you chose to feel insulted | Jul 07 21:27 |
| DrPizza | You attack me, personally, and the site, for daring have an opinion contrary to your own | Jul 07 21:27 |
| MinceR | perhaps that was the point | Jul 07 21:27 |
| DrPizza | For daring to have different priorities | Jul 07 21:27 |
| _Goblin | Those sound like my words.... | Jul 07 21:27 |
| schestowitz | [21:26] <DrPizza> you call the web site "Fox Technica" | Jul 07 21:27 |
| schestowitz | You span good as bad and bad as good | Jul 07 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Fox does the same | Jul 07 21:27 |
| schestowitz | !google obama hates white people | Jul 07 21:27 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - YouTube - "Obama Hates the White Man and he is a dangerous man ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DxgpVQvqD1vQ | Jul 07 21:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Fox Host Glenn Beck: Obama Is A "Racist" (VIDEO) | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/fox-host-glenn-beck-obama_n_246310.html | Jul 07 21:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Archived Blog: Obama hates white people and wants them to die | http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/01/obama_hates_white_people_and_w.html | Jul 07 21:28 |
| _Goblin | An observation I made years ago about Microsoft Advocates attacking anyone who dared to offer something other than Microsoft | Jul 07 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Said the racist Beck | Jul 07 21:28 |
| DrPizza | _Goblin: But saying that H.264 is Open (which it is) is not "attacking anyone who dared to offer something other than Microsoft". | Jul 07 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Now you patent WebM a patent threat | Jul 07 21:28 |
| DrPizza | WebM is patented, that is a matter of fact. | Jul 07 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Just like today Florian called Google bad for not buying Nortel's patents | Jul 07 21:28 |
| schestowitz | And commended Apple for the same thing | Jul 07 21:28 |
| MinceR | by what definition is h.264 "open"? | Jul 07 21:28 |
| schestowitz | WAIT WOT?@!?!?~!/ | Jul 07 21:28 |
| MinceR | by the "maybe we won't sue you today for using it" definition? | Jul 07 21:29 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: er, the entire standardization process? | Jul 07 21:29 |
| MinceR | (which does not exist) | Jul 07 21:29 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: elaborate. | Jul 07 21:29 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: You know? ISO? ITU-T? All that stuff? | Jul 07 21:29 |
| DrPizza | You missed all that? | Jul 07 21:29 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: if you feel hard done by, write about it.... | Jul 07 21:29 |
| DrPizza | You missed how it's a standard designed and developed in a consortium? | Jul 07 21:29 |
| MinceR | you seem to have low standards of openness :> | Jul 07 21:29 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: if people care, they will read | Jul 07 21:29 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: That's precisely what "open standards" are. | Jul 07 21:29 |
| MinceR | maybe that's what they are to you | Jul 07 21:29 |
| _Goblin | sorry....who on earth are you "Dr Pizza"? | Jul 07 21:29 |
| DrPizza | As distinct from proprietary specifications developed privately by corporations. | Jul 07 21:30 |
| DrPizza | (e.g. WebM) | Jul 07 21:30 |
| schestowitz | [21:29] <_Goblin> DrPizza: if people care, they will read | Jul 07 21:30 |
| schestowitz | He tried | Jul 07 21:30 |
| schestowitz | He got loads of flack for it | Jul 07 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Also from Linux sites | Jul 07 21:30 |
| schestowitz | And Groklaw IIRC | Jul 07 21:30 |
| DrPizza | lol groklaw | Jul 07 21:30 |
| schestowitz | They too were like, LOL WOT?!?#?#3" | Jul 07 21:30 |
| _Goblin | DrPizza: If Roy has indeed "attacked" you, I wouldn't worry, I follow much of what Roy writes and I haven't a clue who you are. | Jul 07 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Bad is the new good and good is the new bad | Jul 07 21:31 |
| DrPizza | Yes, because they too are desperate to promote a proprietary, patented technology as our video saviour. | Jul 07 21:31 |
| DrPizza | Just because there's an open implementation. | Jul 07 21:31 |
| MinceR | well, at least there's an open implementation | Jul 07 21:31 |
| MinceR | which is more than what can be said about h.264 | Jul 07 21:31 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: There are open implementations of H.264, too.... | Jul 07 21:31 |
| MinceR | except they too are subject to software patent issues in states that allow software patents | Jul 07 21:32 |
| DrPizza | x264 is GPLed. | Jul 07 21:32 |
| DrPizza | So is WebM. | Jul 07 21:32 |
| MinceR | no, WebM is not GPLed | Jul 07 21:32 |
| DrPizza | no | Jul 07 21:32 |
| ThistleWeb | open implimentation that you have to pay patent royalties to implement, or face a bunch of suits who want to ream you senseless in court or settlement fees | Jul 07 21:32 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: WebM is also subject to software patent issues in states that allow software patents | Jul 07 21:32 |
| MinceR | WebM is under a free patent license. H.264 is not. | Jul 07 21:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @jwildeboer "Microsoft's Android Shakedown" - http://ur1.ca/4npol #forbes takes note. Keep em coming and look at the #Swpat mess | Jul 07 21:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: Fieldrunners HD brings great tower defense to !Android [App Review] http://goo.gl/amFHY | Jul 07 21:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Jamaica - Senior cops fail lie detector tests | http://t.co/qqRh9r8 | Jul 07 21:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Stuart Langridge: #LugRadio: temporarily back in the habit http://goo.gl/BoJje !ubuntu | Jul 07 21:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Ubuntu #Oneiric Ocelot Alpha 2 Released http://goo.gl/qHDbn | Jul 07 21:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Xubuntu 11.10 alpha 2 released http://goo.gl/6h5Py | Jul 07 21:32 | |
| DrPizza | No it isn't. | Jul 07 21:32 |
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| MinceR | H.264 can become quite costly to use on the web at any moment | Jul 07 21:33 |
| MinceR | WebM can not. | Jul 07 21:33 |
| DrPizza | Only Google's implementation has free patent grants. | Jul 07 21:33 |
| ThistleWeb | by the mpeg-la who insist they own the very idea of digital audio and music, so you CAN'T escape their extortion racket, even if you do develop something on your own | Jul 07 21:33 |
| MinceR | it's the whole point | Jul 07 21:33 |
| DrPizza | If I wrote a WebM implementation from scratch | Jul 07 21:33 |
| MinceR | google didn't want to be at the point of the mpeg-la racket for running youtube. | Jul 07 21:33 |
| DrPizza | I would not have a patent grant | Jul 07 21:33 |
| schestowitz | why are we adamant on bad faith from Google, DrPizza? | Jul 07 21:33 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: see workaround above. | Jul 07 21:33 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: that's a bullshit rationalization. | Jul 07 21:33 |
| schestowitz | What would be Google's interest in suing or anything like this? | Jul 07 21:34 |
| MinceR | no, it's not. | Jul 07 21:34 |
| DrPizza | Yes it is. | Jul 07 21:34 |
| schestowitz | I saw MS MVP and pro-MS lobbyist FFlorian doing the same thing | Jul 07 21:34 |
| DrPizza | Why shold I have to start from Google's (badly-written) source code? | Jul 07 21:34 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: The patent pool covers more than just Google. | Jul 07 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Describing Google as an evil diabolic thing | Jul 07 21:34 |
| ThistleWeb | the h264 licencing reserves the right to charge at any time | Jul 07 21:34 |
| schestowitz | It's part of the spin | Jul 07 21:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Jono Bacon: #LugRadio Reunion 2011 http://goo.gl/JmTMF !ubuntu | Jul 07 21:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Bill Gates in windows vista launch http://youtu.be/enRQzjkLAQs | Jul 07 21:34 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: LugRadio Reunion 2011 | jonobacon@home .::. Size~: 29.73 KB | Jul 07 21:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Vista Demonstration Spoof (Royal Canadian air farce) .::. Size~: 98.7 KB | Jul 07 21:34 |
| ThistleWeb | so far they've chosen not to implement it | Jul 07 21:34 |
| schestowitz | !google facecook paid lobbyists google | Jul 07 21:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Google's $5 Million on Lobbyists: Privacy advocates worried ... | http://www.onlinesocialmedia.net/20110201/googles-5-million-on-lobbyists-privacy-advocates-worried/ | Jul 07 21:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Google Spent More on Lobbyists in 2010 Than Yahoo, Facebook and ... | http://mashable.com/2011/01/31/google-lobbyists-2010/ | Jul 07 21:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Google Spent More on Lobbyists in 2010 Than Yahoo, Facebook ... | http://insidegoogle.com/2011/01/google-spent-more-on-lobbyists-in-2010-than-yahoo-facebook-apple-combined/ | Jul 07 21:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Google Hires Army of Lobbyists, Also Eyes Hulu - It lines up 12 ... | http://www.newser.com/story/122450/google-hires-army-of-lobbyists-also-eyes-hulu.html | Jul 07 21:34 |
| MinceR | why should i accept to be subject to arbitrary fees from an arbitrary moment for publishing my own work on the web? | Jul 07 21:34 |
| DrPizza | You're not. | Jul 07 21:34 |
| eebrah | DrPizza: I am eebrah and why are you Swearing? What have I done to you? | Jul 07 21:35 |
| MinceR | how so? | Jul 07 21:35 |
| DrPizza | Freely-distributed Web video is royalty-free. | Jul 07 21:35 |
| ThistleWeb | so far they still push the idea that it's "free" because right now it is free cost | Jul 07 21:35 |
| MinceR | where's the perpetual, non-revocable, royalty-free patent license for h.264? | Jul 07 21:35 |
| ThistleWeb | you don't reserve the right to do something if you have no intention of doing it | Jul 07 21:35 |
| MinceR | regardless of field of endeavor, whether use is commercial or not, and regardless of medium? | Jul 07 21:35 |
| schestowitz | eebrah: when people lose an argument they get loud | Jul 07 21:35 |
| ThistleWeb | I don't reserve any right to punch you in the face, because I have no intention of doing it | Jul 07 21:36 |
| eebrah | schestowitz: Aint that true | Jul 07 21:36 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: Where is the perpetual, non-revocable, royalty-free patent license for WebM? | Jul 07 21:36 |
| schestowitz | He advocates the Apple- and Microsoft-backed patent tax on video and audio | Jul 07 21:36 |
| eebrah | DrPizza sounding very loud, not very convincing | Jul 07 21:36 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: http://www.webmproject.org/license/additional/ | Jul 07 21:36 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: schestowitz was claiming that somehow I should give a damn who you were. | Jul 07 21:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The WebM Project | License .::. Size~: 6.84 KB | Jul 07 21:36 |
| MinceR | right there | Jul 07 21:36 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: nope | Jul 07 21:37 |
| DrPizza | I said non-revocable. | Jul 07 21:37 |
| DrPizza | That's not an irrevocable license. | Jul 07 21:37 |
| schestowitz | He said he's OK with paying US-level fee to watch his own videos and get permission from US monopolies that invented nothing of use | Jul 07 21:37 |
| eebrah | DrPizza: Personally, You shouldn't care but I see you are advocating a patent loaded format | Jul 07 21:37 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: If H.264 is "nothing of use", how come so many people use it? | Jul 07 21:37 |
| MinceR | it is only revocable to companies that attack other companies using patents, such as patent trolls | Jul 07 21:37 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: So are the WebM advocates. | Jul 07 21:37 |
| eebrah | Software patents are shit | Jul 07 21:38 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jul 07 21:38 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: that's not fair, the US corps invented a whole new brand of abusing lobbying, patenting etc to make money from nothing | Jul 07 21:38 |
| eebrah | not allowed here | Jul 07 21:38 |
| eebrah | should never be | Jul 07 21:38 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: the point is probably that they did not invent the important ideas in the codec. | Jul 07 21:38 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: it's easier | Jul 07 21:38 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: guardians of knowledge always existed, it's protectionism | Jul 07 21:38 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: Um, really? | Jul 07 21:38 |
| eebrah | DrPizza: People use h264 because they do not know any better | Jul 07 21:38 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: What is better than H.264? | Jul 07 21:39 |
| schestowitz | In this case it's not trade secret but a tax on applied work with a wide blanket | Jul 07 21:39 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: in terms of encoding quality and compatibility | Jul 07 21:39 |
| eebrah | they have no idea of alternatives | Jul 07 21:39 |
| ender_33 | to be honest | Jul 07 21:39 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: uncompressed video, for example | Jul 07 21:39 |
| schestowitz | As in, pay me for making your own sandwich and pay Monsanto for growing your plants with sun and water | Jul 07 21:39 |
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| MinceR | also, MJPEG | Jul 07 21:39 |
| ender_33 | I haven't payed anything to watch h264 content | Jul 07 21:39 |
| eebrah | and content producers do not want to get sued over patents for using webM et al | Jul 07 21:39 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: Actually, I don't think uncompressed video has similar compatibility | Jul 07 21:39 |
| ThistleWeb | people uploading to youtube get 264 anyway, is there a choice? do people know any different? regular people I mean, not tech people who are aware of the mpeg-la and 264 | Jul 07 21:39 |
| MinceR | then you're wrong | Jul 07 21:39 |
| eebrah | better is relative | Jul 07 21:39 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: really? | Jul 07 21:39 |
| MinceR | really | Jul 07 21:39 |
| eebrah | webM is better for me FAIB and FAIF | Jul 07 21:39 |
| schestowitz | It's nice to make money every time someone somewhere just gets hungry | Jul 07 21:40 |
| MinceR | uncompressed video is trivial to support | Jul 07 21:40 |
| schestowitz | !google harper magazine making money from world hunger | Jul 07 21:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - LET THEM EAT CASH Can Bill Gates Turn Hunger into Profit? By ... | http://www.seattleglobaljustice.org/wp-content/uploads/letthemeactcash.pdf | Jul 07 21:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The Food Bubble: How Wall Street Starved Millions and Got Away With It | http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/16/the_food_bubble_how_wall_street | Jul 07 21:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - George McGovern: all progress in human history is due to liberalism | http://humanities.psydeshow.org/political/mcgovern.htm | Jul 07 21:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Let them eat cash: Can Bill Gates turn hunger ... - Harper's Magazine | http://harpers.org/archive/2009/06/0082533 | Jul 07 21:40 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: can a typical Windows machine play uncompressed video if you stuff bitmaps into an AVI or something? | Jul 07 21:40 |
| eebrah | h264 has been claimed to be technically superior | Jul 07 21:40 |
| ThistleWeb | ender_33: you use youtube? | Jul 07 21:40 |
| eebrah | my eyes cannot tell the difference | Jul 07 21:40 |
| ender_33 | ThistleWeb - yes | Jul 07 21:40 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: do i look like i care about "typical windows machine"s? | Jul 07 21:40 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: It has been demonstrated in numerous tests to be technically superior | Jul 07 21:40 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: If you care about compatibility, yes. | Jul 07 21:40 |
| ThistleWeb | flash youtube, IS 264, for the video codec | Jul 07 21:40 |
| DrPizza | oh let me guess | Jul 07 21:40 |
| MinceR | question is, are those tests impartial | Jul 07 21:40 |
| MinceR | and are those tests relevant | Jul 07 21:40 |
| DrPizza | 90% of the computing world doesn't matter when deciding about compatibility | Jul 07 21:40 |
| ender_33 | ThistleWeb - I haven't received a bill | Jul 07 21:40 |
| DrPizza | Yes, they're impartial, and yes, they're relevant | Jul 07 21:40 |
| eebrah | DrPizza: butI have to pay to use it, I cannot afford that | Jul 07 21:41 |
| MinceR | so you say | Jul 07 21:41 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: What? Why? You live in a jurisdiction without software patents, you said. So you don't have to pay a penny to use H.264. | Jul 07 21:41 |
| ThistleWeb | when the mpeg-la announced a change to start charging, youtube started looking seriously at html5....that was the cataylst for their experiments in html5 | Jul 07 21:41 |
| eebrah | DrPizza: and I get sued for implementing a competing standard | Jul 07 21:41 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: er, by whom, for what? | Jul 07 21:41 |
| MinceR | he might still get into trouble if he tries to publish video using H.264 | Jul 07 21:41 |
| ender_33 | ThistleWeb - nope, youtube went to html5 after webm was announced | Jul 07 21:41 |
| eebrah | we live in a "globalised world" | Jul 07 21:42 |
| eebrah | If I make an app, | Jul 07 21:42 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: | Jul 07 21:42 |
| eebrah | pple in Europe US may use it | Jul 07 21:42 |
| schestowitz | !google jobs oggg | Jul 07 21:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Jobs: Ogg Theora may violate patents | Electronista | http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/04/30/jobs.warns.not.to.confuse.oss.with.patent.free/ | Jul 07 21:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - OGG to MP3 Converter, freeware convert OGG to MP3 and MP3 to OGG | http://www.oggtomp3converter.com/ | Jul 07 21:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Download DJ Marky - 2002 - The Brazilian Job (Ogg Vorbis q5 ... | http://www.kat.ph/dj-marky-2002-the-brazilian-job-ogg-vorbis-q5-t1075857.html | Jul 07 21:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Oracle Goldengate ERROR OGG-01367 Length of CSN from input data ... | http://goldengateconfig.com/2011/05/05/error-ogg-01367-length-of-csn-from-input-data-source-not-equal-to-that-of-previous-csn/ | Jul 07 21:42 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: We may be in a "globalized world" but US jurisdiction ends at US borders | Jul 07 21:42 |
| schestowitz | !google usdoj mepg-la webm | Jul 07 21:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Report: DoJ looking into possible anti-WebM moves by MPEG LA | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/report-doj-looking-into-possible-anti-webm-moves-by-mpeg-la.ars | Jul 07 21:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Patents are ammo in YouTube and Netflix's video wars - Google 24/7 ... | http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/03/04/wsj-doj-investigates-mpeg-la-over-vp8/ | Jul 07 21:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - The DoJ Is Investigating MPEG LA's Attack on Google's WebM - Softpedia | http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-DoJ-Is-Investigating-MPEG-LA-s-Attack-on-Google-s-WebM-188066.shtml | Jul 07 21:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - DoJ investigating MPEG-LA attack on VP8/WebM open codecs #free ... | http://isoc-ny.org/p2/%3Fp%3D1838 | Jul 07 21:42 |
| DrPizza | Europe has no good stance pro/con software patents. | Jul 07 21:42 |
| MinceR | the internet does not end at us borders, though | Jul 07 21:42 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: So? | Jul 07 21:42 |
| eebrah | Ask Microsoft why they would hand over European data to US gov under patriot act | Jul 07 21:42 |
| ender_33 | not as globalized as the euro facists want | Jul 07 21:42 |
| MinceR | so if someone shares content outside the us, it will be available in the us | Jul 07 21:42 |
| ThistleWeb | what they didn't do was announce how it was gonna be charged, who would get free etc, students? companies? pay per view? pey to have X number of hours on your site? pey per X number of visitors etc | Jul 07 21:43 |
| eebrah | when data is not stored in US | Jul 07 21:43 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: So? | Jul 07 21:43 |
| MinceR | if someone sells content over the internet from outside the us, they'll get sued | Jul 07 21:43 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: that doesn't make eebrah liable | Jul 07 21:43 |
| ThistleWeb | that detail was all "tba" | Jul 07 21:43 |
| MinceR | i doubt that | Jul 07 21:43 |
| MinceR | IANAL, though | Jul 07 21:43 |
| DrPizza | Again with the FUD. | Jul 07 21:43 |
| ender_33 | ThistleWeb - to this date, I've yet to receive a bill for using h264 | Jul 07 21:43 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: US companies are still under US jurisdiction. | Jul 07 21:43 |
| ThistleWeb | ender_33: you won't | Jul 07 21:43 |
| MinceR | yes, and the guillotine example mentioned before must be FUD too | Jul 07 21:43 |
| DrPizza | Microsoft is very much a US company. | Jul 07 21:43 |
| eebrah | MPAA, RIAA exert "influence" outside US borders | Jul 07 21:43 |
| schestowitz | [21:43] <ender_33> ThistleWeb - to this date, I've yet to receive a bill for using h264] | Jul 07 21:43 |
| schestowitz | You did | Jul 07 21:43 |
| ender_33 | nope | Jul 07 21:44 |
| schestowitz | It was served at the shop | Jul 07 21:44 |
| DrPizza | Nor me | Jul 07 21:44 |
| MinceR | we owe to the mpeg-la to be gullible fools who never try to think ahead | Jul 07 21:44 |
| schestowitz | With the invoice | Jul 07 21:44 |
| ThistleWeb | it''' be built into the price of devices | Jul 07 21:44 |
| ender_33 | what shop | Jul 07 21:44 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: What are you talking about? | Jul 07 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Bought aq TV? | Jul 07 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Music player? | Jul 07 21:44 |
| DrPizza | I never paid anyone for x264. | Jul 07 21:44 |
| schestowitz | You did | Jul 07 21:44 |
| DrPizza | I did? | Jul 07 21:44 |
| DrPizza | Who? | Jul 07 21:44 |
| ender_33 | nope | Jul 07 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Via the company which makes the h/w | Jul 07 21:44 |
| schestowitz | yes | Jul 07 21:44 |
| DrPizza | ??? | Jul 07 21:44 |
| ThistleWeb | you pay for mp3, when you buy a device that can play it | Jul 07 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Check with the company that made youyr TV set | Jul 07 21:44 |
| DrPizza | I don't own a TV. | Jul 07 21:44 |
| schestowitz | And your PMP if you carry one | Jul 07 21:44 |
| ThistleWeb | it's part of the price you paid for the device | Jul 07 21:44 |
| schestowitz | !google philips sisvel | Jul 07 21:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - IPEG: You thought paying Sisvel ended your license concerns? | http://ipgeek.blogspot.com/2007/02/you-thought-paying-sisvel-ended-your.html | Jul 07 21:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Idea for a Reverse Patent Troll, seeking invalidation of the ... | http://www.ipeg.com/_UPLOAD%2520BLOG/Idea%2520for%2520a%2520Reverse%2520Patent%2520Troll.pdf | Jul 07 21:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Sisvel EP mp3 patents overview | http://www.ipeg.com/_UPLOAD%2520BLOG/Sisvel%2520patents%2520overview.pdf | Jul 07 21:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Quick Mention: Patent Pirate (Philips) to be Sued | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2008/09/09/patent-pirate-philips-suit/ | Jul 07 21:44 |
| eebrah | Just because software patents are not allowed here, does not mean microsoft and co could not bribe their way into getting them allowed here | Jul 07 21:44 |
| DrPizza | ThistleWeb: that's a hardware patent | Jul 07 21:44 |
| schestowitz | ask zoobab too | Jul 07 21:44 |
| DrPizza | irrelevant | Jul 07 21:45 |
| schestowitz | He's coding in that area of IC IIRC | Jul 07 21:45 |
| ThistleWeb | it's the ability to decode mp3 formats | Jul 07 21:45 |
| MinceR | h.264 is hardware now? | Jul 07 21:45 |
| eebrah | would rather use open and Libre standards | Jul 07 21:45 |
| ender_33 | schestowitz - you're wrong | Jul 07 21:45 |
| ThistleWeb | which the mpeg-la want cash for every instance of | Jul 07 21:45 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: the support in many widespread DSPs and SoCs is substantially hardware, yes. | Jul 07 21:45 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it's accelerated by h/w | Jul 07 21:45 |
| ThistleWeb | regardless of whether it's hardware or software implemented | Jul 07 21:45 |
| schestowitz | And the h/w has code associated with it unless it's programmable | Jul 07 21:45 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: they have hardware dedicated to iDCT, motion comp, etc. | Jul 07 21:45 |
| ender_33 | schestowitz & DrPizza - switching to webm doesn't give me a refund either (if I did somehow pay via proxy) | Jul 07 21:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Financial block workaround. Let's see how long it lasts. Donate whilst you can via VISA, MasterCard and AmEx http://t.co/N8gQMFV | Jul 07 21:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Mastercard and Visa end financial blockade, reinstate payments to Datacell and #Wikileaks. https://eff.org/r.88a | Jul 07 21:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Microsoft's Android Shakedown (Forbes) http://lwn.net/Articles/450747/rss | Jul 07 21:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @richslxh For both of us; as they say better late than never. | Jul 07 21:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Did you #askobama? | http://red.ht/rkUSpC #opengov cc @whitehouse | Jul 07 21:46 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Donate .::. Size~: 8.32 KB | Jul 07 21:46 |
| DrPizza | Because it's much more power efficient than doing it "in software". | Jul 07 21:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: For The Moment, Visa And MasterCard Reopen Payments To WikiLeaks - Andy Greenberg - The Firewall - Forbes .::. Size~: 109.17 KB | Jul 07 21:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft's Android Shakedown (Forbes) [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 8.31 KB | Jul 07 21:46 |
| schestowitz | ender_33: you pay for sw pats all the time | Jul 07 21:46 |
| ThistleWeb | mp3 can be played on linux with a foss app, it just requires payemtn to the mpeg-la to be legally allowed to use it | Jul 07 21:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Did you #askobama? | opensource.com .::. Size~: 51.57 KB | Jul 07 21:46 |
| schestowitz | It's elevating the price of stuff you buy | Jul 07 21:46 |
| MinceR | ender_33: so if they already got your money, it's ok? :> | Jul 07 21:46 |
| schestowitz | But customers don't see the breakdown | Jul 07 21:46 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: in any case, this is misdirection | Jul 07 21:46 |
| DrPizza | Nowhere is ender paying for producing his videos. | Jul 07 21:46 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu 11.10 alph 2 doesn't look that bad really going by this, except for the ugly Canonical branding of course, which won't chagne much for 11.10 anyway, same as 11.04: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/07/ubuntu-1110-oneiric-ocelot-alpha-2-has.html | Jul 07 21:46 |
| schestowitz | It takes some dogmatic apologist to pretend that software patents are benign | Jul 07 21:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ubuntu 11.10 Oneiric Ocelot Alpha 2 Has Been Released [Screenshots And Video] ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog .::. Size~: 81.55 KB | Jul 07 21:46 |
| ThistleWeb | mp3 is only one licence, look at the other formats too, it all adds up to you paying much more than you need to, for your stuff | Jul 07 21:47 |
| eebrah | isn't ender canadian? | Jul 07 21:47 |
| DrPizza | Just because I own a smartphone with H.264 hardware doesn't mean that my PC includes H.264 licenses. | Jul 07 21:47 |
| DrPizza | Although my next PC will | Jul 07 21:47 |
| DrPizza | when I get a better video card | Jul 07 21:47 |
| DrPizza | with H.264 decoding | Jul 07 21:47 |
| schestowitz | eebrah: yes | Jul 07 21:47 |
| MinceR | that license might not apply to encoding, though | Jul 07 21:47 |
| eebrah | don't they pay when they buy media like DVDS? | Jul 07 21:47 |
| ThistleWeb | yep, encoding & decoding are always different | Jul 07 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft tells people not to worry about the licensing, just hook into their Windows Media Player codecs | Jul 07 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 07 21:48 |
| schestowitz | eebrah: they do... | Jul 07 21:48 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: Even if it did, it wouldn't help me | Jul 07 21:48 |
| schestowitz | and for abstract stuff | Jul 07 21:48 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: Since I'd use x264 to encode. | Jul 07 21:48 |
| eebrah | blank media | Jul 07 21:48 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: and not the video card. | Jul 07 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Not stuff like designs | Jul 07 21:48 |
| schestowitz | eebrah: that's for the cartels of copyrights | Jul 07 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Although I think it's subject of dispute in Canad, still, based on what I see from Michael Geist | Jul 07 21:48 |
| schestowitz | In France I think it's mandatory | Jul 07 21:48 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: so they could still sue you for encoding, if sw patents are allowed in the country you're in. | Jul 07 21:49 |
| eebrah | schestowitz: I see | Jul 07 21:49 |
| schestowitz | !google france tax copyright android apple | Jul 07 21:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - France to tax Apple, Android, and other non-Windows tablets | http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2011/01/07/france-to-tax-apple-android-and-other-non-windows-tablets/ | Jul 07 21:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft Enjoys Copyright Tax — Not Just Patent Tax — on Linux ... | http://techrights.org/2011/01/12/french-android-tax/ | Jul 07 21:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - France Planning Non-Windows Tablet Tax? - Slashdot | http://slashdot.org/story/10/12/28/1932251/France-Planning-Non-Windows-Tablet-Tax | Jul 07 21:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - The French government hearts Windows, hates iOS and Android | http://macenstein.com/default/2011/01/the-french-government-hearts-windows-hates-ios-and-android/ | Jul 07 21:49 |
| ThistleWeb | in canada they're not happy with just a blank media tax, they want an ipod tax too | Jul 07 21:49 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: but they're not allowed in eebrah's country (they're questionable in my country) | Jul 07 21:49 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: so why would eebrah end up paying? | Jul 07 21:49 |
| DrPizza | or being sued? | Jul 07 21:49 |
| eebrah | I may end up on a list | Jul 07 21:49 |
| MinceR | he could re-share the video on a video sharing site that operates as a business, for example | Jul 07 21:49 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: just because you write the "Microsoft" section of Ars Technica doesn't mean you need to be in alignment with all Microsoft's opinions | Jul 07 21:49 |
| schestowitz | You are allowed to form your own analysis you know? | Jul 07 21:49 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: lol | Jul 07 21:50 |
| schestowitz | This way you'd get hackled less in the comments | Jul 07 21:50 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: nah, that's tiring | Jul 07 21:50 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: I'm not in "alignment" with their opinoins at all | Jul 07 21:50 |
| ender_33 | 16:46 < schestowitz> ender_33: you pay for sw pats all the time | Jul 07 21:50 |
| schestowitz | And I did see you complain about dissent in the comments | Jul 07 21:50 |
| eebrah | which warns american business not to do business with me or pple from my country | Jul 07 21:50 |
| ender_33 | receipts please, show me | Jul 07 21:50 |
| MinceR | ender_33: you wish it was so clear :> | Jul 07 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Maybe their concerns are genuine | Jul 07 21:50 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: you must be shitting me. | Jul 07 21:50 |
| DrPizza | A list??? | Jul 07 21:50 |
| MinceR | there's a lot of backroom deals in IT nowadays | Jul 07 21:50 |
| MinceR | hidden taxes | Jul 07 21:50 |
| ender_33 | 16:46 < eebrah> isn't ender canadian? | Jul 07 21:50 |
| ender_33 | yes | Jul 07 21:50 |
| ThistleWeb | because of parasites like the mpaa, riaa mpeg-la and many others, the US is doing it's very best to become the bastard case that nobody willingly wants to deal with | Jul 07 21:51 |
| ender_33 | 16:47 < eebrah> don't they pay when they buy media like DVDS? | Jul 07 21:51 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: If I am in alignment with them, how come I am so openly critical of them in articles that I know you've read because you've linked to them? | Jul 07 21:51 |
| schestowitz | [21:50] <MinceR> hidden taxes | Jul 07 21:51 |
| schestowitz | cross-licensing | Jul 07 21:51 |
| ender_33 | there is an ipod tax and a blank cd tax which pays the recording industry in canada for the assumed piracy | Jul 07 21:51 |
| DrPizza | The blank media tax is for copyright, not patents | Jul 07 21:51 |
| schestowitz | The cartel that ain't called so | Jul 07 21:51 |
| eebrah | ender_33: Every piece of hardware or software with those capabilities that you buy includes a bit for patents | Jul 07 21:51 |
| schestowitz | 'We're big, you're big, so let's conspite to keep the small ones naked and scared" | Jul 07 21:52 |
| eebrah | that the manufacturer/software house paid and is passing on to you | Jul 07 21:52 |
| ender_33 | private copying allows us to download music off the net from p2p services that other people can't | Jul 07 21:52 |
| schestowitz | ender_33: HTC phones running Android now include MSFT tax | Jul 07 21:52 |
| schestowitz | For what, we don't know... | Jul 07 21:52 |
| ender_33 | schestowitz - im not running an HTC phone | Jul 07 21:52 |
| MinceR | ender_33: sure, but does it allow you to do so using technology that shares the same music to other downloaders? | Jul 07 21:52 |
| schestowitz | For HTC not to be sued... | Jul 07 21:52 |
| schestowitz | That's all we do know | Jul 07 21:52 |
| ender_33 | mincer - yes | Jul 07 21:53 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin got his HTC just before it got a MSFT tax in the inventory and costs | Jul 07 21:53 |
| ender_33 | I can't send them the file manually but they can request the copy from my PC | Jul 07 21:53 |
| ThistleWeb | it's a protection racket, pay us cash and we won't send our expensive team of lawyers to bankrupt you in court | Jul 07 21:53 |
| schestowitz | HTC price list | Jul 07 21:53 |
| schestowitz | "kneecap protection $5" | Jul 07 21:53 |
| schestowitz | mobo $3 | Jul 07 21:53 |
| MinceR | ender_33: that's nice | Jul 07 21:53 |
| schestowitz | labour in China $2 | Jul 07 21:53 |
| MinceR | ender_33: i don't have that option here | Jul 07 21:53 |
| schestowitz | margin for Western shop $2000 | Jul 07 21:53 |
| ender_33 | well thats nice | Jul 07 21:53 |
| eebrah | <MThistleWeb>it's a protection racket, pay us cash and we won't send our expensive team of lawyers to bankrupt you in court | Jul 07 21:54 |
| eebrah | <ThistleWeb>it's a protection racket, pay us cash and we won't send our expensive team of lawyers to bankrupt you in court | Jul 07 21:54 |
| ender_33 | i dont have any intention to become euro | Jul 07 21:54 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: I like Ars, still | Jul 07 21:54 |
| schestowitz | You shouid do an article chastising Microsoft for this extortion | Jul 07 21:54 |
| schestowitz | After all,, you're the Microsoft expert | Jul 07 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Here's a good article matter right there | Jul 07 21:54 |
| DrPizza | Why? | Jul 07 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Unless of course those 4 recent extortion deals are not jnews | Jul 07 21:55 |
| DrPizza | Why is it "extortion"? | Jul 07 21:55 |
| ender_33 | 16:53 < schestowitz> labour in China $2 | Jul 07 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Or unless you're on Microsoft's side | Jul 07 21:55 |
| ender_33 | communist china | Jul 07 21:55 |
| schestowitz | C'mon | Jul 07 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Reporting | Jul 07 21:55 |
| schestowitz | You're a reporter, right? | Jul 07 21:55 |
| DrPizza | If Microsoft has done the inventive work | Jul 07 21:55 |
| DrPizza | Why shouldn't they receive compensation for that? | Jul 07 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Do an invetigation and ask the extorted about that NDA | Jul 07 21:55 |
| ThistleWeb | even if you know you're innocent, the court system is soooo damn expensive that many can't afford to fight to prove it, it's cheaper just to bend over, pull their pants down and spread their cheeks | Jul 07 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Ask them how Microsoft approached them and whether it was amuicable | Jul 07 21:55 |
| schestowitz | I love what Nate does in Ars | Jul 07 21:55 |
| DrPizza | Do you think hardware patents are acceptable? | Jul 07 21:56 |
| eebrah | DrPizza: Because if you do not pay, they sue you to bankruptcy | Jul 07 21:56 |
| ThistleWeb | DrPizza: what "inventive work?" they NEVER specify wnat patents | Jul 07 21:56 |
| schestowitz | He goes and explores the mischiefs of the copyright cartel | Jul 07 21:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] We need Lennart #Poettering on identi.ca | Jul 07 21:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @wildcard True. But would zapping innocent bugs utilizing the power of the force put you on the light side or the dark side? | Jul 07 21:56 | |
| schestowitz | But ars lacks the angle which acts as watchdog against rogue companies | Jul 07 21:56 |
| ender_33 | DrPizza - im wondering what they eat for food now that Monsanto owns their food | Jul 07 21:56 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: Who have they sued into bankruptcy? | Jul 07 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Instead it attacks webM!! | Jul 07 21:56 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: WebM is technically inferior, proprietary, patented. | Jul 07 21:56 |
| eebrah | better to pay than risk to find out | Jul 07 21:56 |
| schestowitz | That's why I called your section Fox Technica | Jul 07 21:56 |
| ThistleWeb | if it truely was a genuine claim, they'd happily show their hand, as a deterrent to others, "look, we own this, dont do it without paying us" | Jul 07 21:56 |
| DrPizza | H.264 os technically superior, open, patented. | Jul 07 21:56 |
| DrPizza | The latter is better. | Jul 07 21:56 |
| eebrah | would you get into a court battle with microsoft? | Jul 07 21:56 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: many, many companies have | Jul 07 21:57 |
| MinceR | funny how he comes here to defend his crappy site and ends up proving Roy correct | Jul 07 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Like those who attack human rights advocacy and Wendel Potter while defending the healthcare[tel] for the billionaire | Jul 07 21:57 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: many of them win, too | Jul 07 21:57 |
| eebrah | how many have come out on top? | Jul 07 21:57 |
| ender_33 | DrPizza - you must be a capitalist!1!11 | Jul 07 21:57 |
| eebrah | versus how mny have ponied up just to avoid legal costs? | Jul 07 21:57 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: webm is NOT proprietary | Jul 07 21:57 |
| schestowitz | !google webm licence | Jul 07 21:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - The WebM Project | License | http://www.webmproject.org/license/software/ | Jul 07 21:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The WebM Project | License | http://www.webmproject.org/license/ | Jul 07 21:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - The WebM Project | License | http://www.webmproject.org/license/additional/ | Jul 07 21:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Google Fixes WebM Licence - Simon Says... | http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/simon-says/2010/06/google-fixes-webm-licence/index.htm | Jul 07 21:57 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: yes it is. | Jul 07 21:57 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: it was developed by On2 in secret | Jul 07 21:57 |
| DrPizza | it's entirely proprietary | Jul 07 21:57 |
| DrPizza | nobody has had any input into WebM | Jul 07 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Tell that to Google | Jul 07 21:58 |
| schestowitz | See what they say | Jul 07 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Then publish in an artilce | Jul 07 21:58 |
| schestowitz | We'll see if the editor lets it through | Jul 07 21:58 |
| DrPizza | Why would I care what Google says? | Jul 07 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Headline" "WebM is proprietary" | Jul 07 21:58 |
| DrPizza | Google can't change history. | Jul 07 21:58 |
| schestowitz | headline "Obama is racist" | Jul 07 21:58 |
| schestowitz | !googel peter bright webm | Jul 07 21:58 |
| schestowitz | !google peter bright webm | Jul 07 21:58 |
| DrPizza | How was WebM's development open? | Jul 07 21:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Google builds WebM patent pool of its own to fight back against ... | http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2011/04/google-builds-webm-patent-pool-of-its-own-to-fight-back-against-mpeg-la.ars | Jul 07 21:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Google's dropping H.264 from Chrome a step backward for openness | http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2011/01/googles-dropping-h264-from-chrome-a-step-backward-for-openness.ars | Jul 07 21:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Peter Bright (Ars Technica) | Webmonkey | Wired.com | http://www.webmonkey.com/author/peter-bright/ | Jul 07 21:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Haavard - Is the removal of H.264 from Chrome a step backward for ... | http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2011/01/13/openness | Jul 07 21:58 |
| DrPizza | It was done in private | Jul 07 21:58 |
| DrPizza | behind closed doors | Jul 07 21:58 |
| DrPizza | What is open about that? | Jul 07 21:59 |
| schestowitz | "Google's dropping H.264 from Chrome a step backward for openness" | Jul 07 21:59 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jul 07 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Loved that one | Jul 07 21:59 |
| schestowitz | But I clicked | Jul 07 21:59 |
| eebrah | DrPizza: Its open now | Jul 07 21:59 |
| ThistleWeb | DrPizza: are you from Ars Technica? or affiliated with it in any way? | Jul 07 21:59 |
| schestowitz | ANd it wasn't The Onion | Jul 07 21:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "Wie heisst es doch in Köln: Fussball ist wie Schach. Nur ohne Würfel." | Jul 07 21:59 | |
| DrPizza | eebrah: "now" can't change the history | Jul 07 21:59 |
| schestowitz | We should out that un reddit/r/funny | Jul 07 21:59 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: Fact of the matter is, it was developed entirely in secret. | Jul 07 21:59 |
| DrPizza | Google then bought On2 and just dumped WebM on the world | Jul 07 21:59 |
| schestowitz | <<see [4] | Jul 07 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Even Opera nailed you for it | Jul 07 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Opera | Jul 07 22:00 |
| DrPizza | No chance for feedback or improvement or community influence | Jul 07 22:00 |
| schestowitz | The proprietary browser | Jul 07 22:00 |
| eebrah | The fact that it was developed in secret by on2 does not change the fact that it is open now DrPizza | Jul 07 22:00 |
| schestowitz | They don't agree with your spinart | Jul 07 22:00 |
| MinceR | no chance for improvement? | Jul 07 22:00 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: the VP8 bitstream format is fixed | Jul 07 22:00 |
| MinceR | there's the code, it's free software, you can improve it | Jul 07 22:00 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: you can't change the bitstream | Jul 07 22:00 |
| MinceR | you can change the bitstream | Jul 07 22:00 |
| DrPizza | no you can't. | Jul 07 22:00 |
| DrPizza | the bitstream spec is fixed. | Jul 07 22:00 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: DrPizza is Peter Bright from Ars, yes | Jul 07 22:01 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: from opera "nailing" me: 2. "VP8 is not an open standard" | Jul 07 22:01 |
| DrPizza | That is actually correct. | Jul 07 22:01 |
| eebrah | !google vp8 bitsream | Jul 07 22:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Google submits VP8 bitstream to IETF, but not as a standard | http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2011/01/google-submits-vp8-bitstream-to-ietf-but-not-as-a-standard.ars | Jul 07 22:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The WebM Project | License | http://www.webmproject.org/license/bitstream/ | Jul 07 22:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - draft-bankoski-vp8-bitstream-00 - VP8 Data Format and Decoding Guide | http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bankoski-vp8-bitstream-00 | Jul 07 22:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - VP8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP8 | Jul 07 22:01 |
| eebrah | !google vp8 bitstream | Jul 07 22:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - VP8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP8 | Jul 07 22:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The WebM Project | License | http://www.webmproject.org/license/bitstream/ | Jul 07 22:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - The Future of the VP8 Bitstream - The WebM Open Media Project Blog | http://blog.webmproject.org/2010/06/future-of-vp8-bitstream.html | Jul 07 22:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Google submits VP8 bitstream to IETF, but not as a standard | http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2011/01/google-submits-vp8-bitstream-to-ietf-but-not-as-a-standard.ars | Jul 07 22:01 |
| schestowitz | ogg too | Jul 07 22:01 |
| ThistleWeb | DrPizza: is Peter Bright? ahh that explains the stream of bullshit | Jul 07 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Not a standard | Jul 07 22:01 |
| schestowitz | !google ogg vorbis standard | Jul 07 22:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Ogg Vorbis Documentation | http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/doc/v-comment.html | Jul 07 22:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Ogg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg | Jul 07 22:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - dBpoweramp Codec Central Ogg Vorbis | http://www.dbpoweramp.com/codec-central-ogg-vorbis.htm | Jul 07 22:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Vorbis.com: Linux Setup | http://www.vorbis.com/setup_linux/ | Jul 07 22:01 |
| schestowitz | t doesn't mean ogg is evil | Jul 07 22:01 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: There is work on a VP9 (or somesuch), and that's where bitstream improvements can be made | Jul 07 22:01 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: even the patent license of WebM allows you to make modifications | Jul 07 22:02 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: but VP8's bitstream is fixed, for time-to-market reasons | Jul 07 22:02 |
| DrPizza | ... | Jul 07 22:02 |
| DrPizza | If you make modifications | Jul 07 22:02 |
| MinceR | you can build your own codec on it | Jul 07 22:02 |
| DrPizza | it's not WebM any more | Jul 07 22:02 |
| schestowitz | !google florian webm proprietary | Jul 07 22:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Michael McLoughlin, Kevin McBride, and Florian Müller | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/01/26/loose-connection-sco-msft-scoracle/ | Jul 07 22:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Florian Müller Seemingly Connected to CCIA (Microsoft Proxy ... | http://techrights.org/2010/04/11/florian-mueller-and-erika-mann/ | Jul 07 22:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - FOSS Patents: MPEG LA puts Google's WebM video format VP8 under ... | http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/02/mpeg-la-puts-googles-webm-video-format.html | Jul 07 22:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - FOSS Patents: Implications of Nokia's new strategy for the ... | http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/02/implications-of-nokias-new-strategy-for.html | Jul 07 22:02 |
| MinceR | so? | Jul 07 22:02 |
| DrPizza | ... | Jul 07 22:02 |
| DrPizza | so... | Jul 07 22:02 |
| DrPizza | many different organizations contributed to H.264's bitstream | Jul 07 22:02 |
| MinceR | if you make modifications to H.264, is it still H.264? | Jul 07 22:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @rpcutts: I have overdosed on NaCl. :| | Jul 07 22:02 | |
| DrPizza | if you change the bitstream, no it is not. | Jul 07 22:02 |
| DrPizza | only one company, On2, devised the VP8 bitstream | Jul 07 22:03 |
| DrPizza | in secret | Jul 07 22:03 |
| eebrah | DrPizza: Look it up, it is called a fork | Jul 07 22:03 |
| MinceR | then by your own definition, H.264 is not an "open standard" any more | Jul 07 22:03 |
| schestowitz | I hear the same stuff from Florian, he even mailed me about it several times | Jul 07 22:03 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: ???? | Jul 07 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Tried to make me defend mpeg-la | Jul 07 22:03 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: Which products don't support the H.264 bitstream? | Jul 07 22:03 |
| MinceR | it's not about products | Jul 07 22:03 |
| MinceR | you said you must be able to improve the bitstream | Jul 07 22:03 |
| DrPizza | ??? | Jul 07 22:03 |
| DrPizza | no | Jul 07 22:03 |
| MinceR | you also said that you can't | Jul 07 22:03 |
| eebrah | DrPizza: The vp8 bitstream is not fixed | Jul 07 22:03 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: yes it is. | Jul 07 22:03 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: during the ~development~ of the format, the bitstream should be changable. | Jul 07 22:04 |
| eebrah | Follow the links | Jul 07 22:04 |
| DrPizza | and there should be a community | Jul 07 22:04 |
| MinceR | btw, we're all very happy for the mpeg-la cartel managing to cooperate with themselves | Jul 07 22:04 |
| DrPizza | it should be open | Jul 07 22:04 |
| MinceR | it's really cute and nice | Jul 07 22:04 |
| eebrah | !google vp8 bitsream | Jul 07 22:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Google submits VP8 bitstream to IETF, but not as a standard | http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2011/01/google-submits-vp8-bitstream-to-ietf-but-not-as-a-standard.ars | Jul 07 22:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The WebM Project | License | http://www.webmproject.org/license/bitstream/ | Jul 07 22:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - draft-bankoski-vp8-bitstream-00 - VP8 Data Format and Decoding Guide | http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bankoski-vp8-bitstream-00 | Jul 07 22:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - VP8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP8 | Jul 07 22:04 |
| MinceR | fact is, it doesn't really affect anyone outside the cartel | Jul 07 22:04 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: I have followed the links | Jul 07 22:04 |
| schestowitz | [21:17] <DrPizza> H.264 has saturated the market. | Jul 07 22:04 |
| eebrah | webM project says that they have experimental branch | Jul 07 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Same line Microsoft uses a lot | Jul 07 22:05 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: right, but it's not VP8 any more | Jul 07 22:05 |
| eebrah | with a bitsream that is not fixed | Jul 07 22:05 |
| schestowitz | "use IE, everyone uses it" | Jul 07 22:05 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: if you use that experimental branch, the bitstream won't play back in VP8 players | Jul 07 22:05 |
| schestowitz | "it runs Windows, just stick with Windows" | Jul 07 22:05 |
| ThistleWeb | I love how the patent system is working wonders for smartphone consumers, always having new cool inovative stuff thanks to the patent system, where every company is trying to get every competing companies products banned in the US and removed from stores | Jul 07 22:05 |
| MinceR | m$ likes to buy dominance in a market and then gloat about it | Jul 07 22:05 |
| eebrah | it is called a fork, essence of open | Jul 07 22:05 |
| schestowitz | "Black people are slaves, it's just how it is" | Jul 07 22:05 |
| schestowitz | "Women can't vote, they can't think" | Jul 07 22:05 |
| MinceR | then some people join them in the gloating, even though they have nothing from gain from the whole deal | Jul 07 22:05 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: you keep changing defences | Jul 07 22:06 |
| ThistleWeb | if every smartphone company got their way, US consumers would have a whopping range of ZERO devices to buy, because they'd ALL be banned for "patent violations" | Jul 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Cause you're exhausting your talking points | Jul 07 22:06 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: If the bitstream can't be decoded by a VP8 decoder, it's not VP8 any more | Jul 07 22:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "Rundfunk90 moved wrongly" This happens a lot. Oo !miners | Jul 07 22:06 | |
| MinceR | he's moving the goalposts | Jul 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | They get nuked one by one and you run to another pile of BS | Jul 07 22:06 |
| DrPizza | I'm not moving the goal posts. | Jul 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | And give us time to correct you | Jul 07 22:06 |
| DrPizza | I've said all along that WebM is proprietary | Jul 07 22:06 |
| DrPizza | it was developed behind closed doors | Jul 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | NO! | Jul 07 22:06 |
| DrPizza | there was no community or consortium developing it. | Jul 07 22:06 |
| eebrah | DrPizza but with the spec being open, one can write software to read it | Jul 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | It's open now | Jul 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Linux too was not GPL at first | Jul 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | And MySQL | Jul 07 22:06 |
| MinceR | mpeg-la is a "community"? | Jul 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Is MySQL proprietary? | Jul 07 22:06 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: MPEG-LA didn't develop H.264 | Jul 07 22:07 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: trolls can hagve communities too : | Jul 07 22:07 |
| eebrah | DrPizza: webM *was* proprietary | Jul 07 22:07 |
| MinceR | some of its members did | Jul 07 22:07 |
| eebrah | isn't any more | Jul 07 22:07 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: or did they not? | Jul 07 22:07 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: VP8 remains proprietary, because VP8 is fixed. | Jul 07 22:07 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: VP9 is being developed in a community. | Jul 07 22:07 |
| MinceR | let's apply that "logic" to H.264 | Jul 07 22:07 |
| eebrah | proprietary == fixed???? i am confused | Jul 07 22:07 |
| schestowitz | You don't know what propietary means | Jul 07 22:07 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: VP8 is done. | Jul 07 22:07 |
| MinceR | "H.264 remains proprietary, because H.264 is fixed." | Jul 07 22:07 |
| schestowitz | A shame really... | Jul 07 22:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @satipera @reality "jesus christ I want #freedom". Freedom is relative and does not want need a deity" | Jul 07 22:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I can see there's no way around this sleep business.... Xx | Jul 07 22:07 | |
| MinceR | see, it's easy | Jul 07 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Cause you champion proprietary | Jul 07 22:07 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: future bitstream changes can't alter VP8 | Jul 07 22:08 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: only VP9 | Jul 07 22:08 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: he's trying to redefine words, like m$ does | Jul 07 22:08 |
| DrPizza | I'm not. | Jul 07 22:08 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Microsoft is open | Jul 07 22:08 |
| *Viper550 (~lirodon@wikipedia/ViperSnake151) has joined #techrights | Jul 07 22:08 | |
| eebrah | Yay VP9 DrPizza: | Jul 07 22:08 |
| schestowitz | !google Microsoft is open | Jul 07 22:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Volume Licensing Service Center - Microsoft | http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/servicecenter/ | Jul 07 22:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft Volume Licensing - Microsoft Open Programs | http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/licensing-options/open-license.aspx | Jul 07 22:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Openness || Microsoft | http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/ | Jul 07 22:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - OpenOffice.org - The Free and Open Productivity Suite | http://www.openoffice.org/ | Jul 07 22:08 |
| MinceR | shared too! | Jul 07 22:08 |
| schestowitz | !google Microsoft we love open source | Jul 07 22:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft: 'We love open source' | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/082310-microsoft-open-source.html | Jul 07 22:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - We love open source, says Microsoft - Telegraph | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/microsoft/7961643/We-love-open-source-says-Microsoft.html | Jul 07 22:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Linux Today - Microsoft: 'We love open source' | http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2010082400735NWMS | Jul 07 22:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft: 'We love open source' « Jeremy's Blog | http://jeremy.linuxquestions.org/2010/08/24/microsoft-we-love-open-source/ | Jul 07 22:08 |
| DrPizza | Do you seriously not understand teh distinction between a specification that's being developed (e.g. VP9, H.265) and a specification that's published and final (like VP8, H.264)? | Jul 07 22:08 |
| Viper550 | we so need an image macro for those IP zealots/trolls | Jul 07 22:08 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: we do understand the distinction, but you don't seem to. | Jul 07 22:08 |
| DrPizza | VP8 was developed behind closed doors. | Jul 07 22:09 |
| Viper550 | like those Advice Dog ones | Jul 07 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Miguel DrPizza | Jul 07 22:09 |
| DrPizza | H.264 was developed in a consortium. | Jul 07 22:09 |
| eebrah | so if both h264 and VP8 are fixed, they must both be proprietary? DrPizza | Jul 07 22:09 |
| DrPizza | VP9 is not being developed behind closed doors. | Jul 07 22:09 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: what are you talking about? | Jul 07 22:09 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: you're the one claiming that WebM is proprietary because it has a fixed bitstream format | Jul 07 22:09 |
| schestowitz | I herad the same talking points about Android being "proprietary" | Jul 07 22:09 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: no, I'm saying it's proprietary because nobody other than On2 had any influence over the bitstream format. | Jul 07 22:09 |
| MinceR | (there are only two errors in that statement) | Jul 07 22:09 |
| schestowitz | !google android proprietary jobs | Jul 07 22:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Steve Jobs on Android's Fragmentation | http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/10/steve-jobs-on-androids-fragmentation.html | Jul 07 22:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - How iPhone Beats Android in OS Battle: Steve Jobs Counts the Ways ... | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/How-iPhone-Beats-Android-in-OS-Battle-Steve-Jobs-Counts-the-Ways-542675/ | Jul 07 22:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Verizon-only Bing app shows proprietary side of Android - latimes.com | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/08/bing-verizon-android.html | Jul 07 22:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Steve Jobs Lashes Out At Android - Slashdot | http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/10/19/187242/Steve-Jobs-Lashes-Out-At-Android | Jul 07 22:09 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: the bitstream format was developed privately, behind closed doors, by On2. | Jul 07 22:09 |
| MinceR | so? | Jul 07 22:10 |
| DrPizza | so, it's ~~proprietary~~ | Jul 07 22:10 |
| eebrah | you said vp8 is proprietary as it is fixed and you just said h264 is fixed | Jul 07 22:10 |
| DrPizza | not ~~open~~ | Jul 07 22:10 |
| MinceR | the H.264 bitstream format was developed privately by a few cartel members | Jul 07 22:10 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: no I didn't | Jul 07 22:10 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: no it wasn't | Jul 07 22:10 |
| MinceR | mostly based on old ideas everyone has known for ages already | Jul 07 22:10 |
| eebrah | DrPizza: you said vp8 is proprietary as it is fixed and you just said h264 is fixed | Jul 07 22:10 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: no, I didn't. | Jul 07 22:10 |
| MinceR | most of these codecs are very similar to each other | Jul 07 22:10 |
| schestowitz | by this definition, odf is also propruietary | Jul 07 22:10 |
| eebrah | <DrPizza>eebrah: VP8 remains proprietary, because VP8 is fixed. | Jul 07 22:11 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: ITU/MPEG are not operating in private | Jul 07 22:11 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: sshh, he'll start claiming that ooxml is open and odf isn't | Jul 07 22:11 |
| schestowitz | OMG, things that interoperate needs to stay fixed OMG... *Monk Scream* | Jul 07 22:11 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: VP8's development is finished | Jul 07 22:11 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: the bitstream is no longer being altered | Jul 07 22:11 |
| eebrah | <DrPizza>Do you seriously not understand teh distinction between a specification that's being developed (e.g. VP9, H.265) and a specification that's published and final (like VP8, H.264)? | Jul 07 22:11 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: hehe | Jul 07 22:11 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: VP8's bitstream was developed by On2 | Jul 07 22:11 |
| DrPizza | and it has not changed. | Jul 07 22:11 |
| DrPizza | The source is now available. | Jul 07 22:12 |
| MinceR | and now you can change it. | Jul 07 22:12 |
| DrPizza | But the bitstream is the same as it was when On2 finished it. | Jul 07 22:12 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: but if you change it, it's no longer a VP8 bitstream. | Jul 07 22:12 |
| eebrah | <DrPizza>The source is now available. --- Not open??? | Jul 07 22:12 |
| MinceR | yes, that's kind of the idea of changing something | Jul 07 22:12 |
| DrPizza | there is no facility to say "I think we shold make this change to VP8" | Jul 07 22:12 |
| MinceR | if it's not different, it wasn't changed | Jul 07 22:12 |
| DrPizza | you can with VP9 | Jul 07 22:12 |
| DrPizza | but you can't with vP8 | Jul 07 22:12 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: see. in Microsoft's world to expose code is "open", except when it's not Microosft :> | Jul 07 22:12 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: so when did the mpeg-la cartel asked for comments on how h.264 should be improved? | Jul 07 22:13 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: er, they didn't, because they didn't develop H.264 | Jul 07 22:13 |
| MinceR | and who would have cared, considering they knew that if they're outside the circle, they won't benefit from it? | Jul 07 22:13 |
| DrPizza | H.264 was completed before MPEG-LA even got involved | Jul 07 22:13 |
| schestowitz | !googel iso corruption mpeg | Jul 07 22:13 |
| ThistleWeb | to be open it means the code is available to be modified and redistributed by anyone | Jul 07 22:13 |
| schestowitz | !google iso corruption mpeg | Jul 07 22:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Sega Saturn USA 99% complete collection - Demonoid | http://www.demonoid.me/files/details/2601173/006392119302/ | Jul 07 22:13 |
| eebrah | DrPizza: Who developed h264? | Jul 07 22:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - MP3 Repair Software | http://www.s2services.com/mp3.htm | Jul 07 22:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - VOB - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VOB | Jul 07 22:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - ISO | Techrights - Part 2 | http://techrights.org/category/iso/page/2/ | Jul 07 22:13 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: oh, are you trying to say that mpeg-la is profiting from "innovation" they did not do? | Jul 07 22:13 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: ITU-T and MPEG. | Jul 07 22:13 |
| eebrah | !google h264 | Jul 07 22:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - H.264/MPEG-4 AVC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC | Jul 07 22:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - VideoLAN - x264, the best H.264/AVC encoder | http://www.videolan.org/developers/x264.html | Jul 07 22:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - H.264 – DivX Plus HD: high performance video in an MKV file | DivX.com | http://www.divx.com/en/software/divx-plus/codec-pack/h264 | Jul 07 22:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - What is H.264 | H264info.com | http://www.h264info.com/h264.html | Jul 07 22:13 |
| DrPizza | ITU-T call it "H.264"; MPEG call it "MPEG-4 AVC" | Jul 07 22:14 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: if so, how are you going to rationalize the fees they force you to pay to them? | Jul 07 22:14 |
| MinceR | right, renaming something changes everything | Jul 07 22:14 |
| MinceR | like mojave did | Jul 07 22:14 |
| DrPizza | MPEG != MPEG-LA | Jul 07 22:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] momento humor desgraçado: P: qual o animal mais religioso da Argentina? R: orandotango | Jul 07 22:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @wildcard mmm... #cookies.... If only #Darth Vader knew how easy it was... chocolate chunks are wonderfully seductive #darkside | Jul 07 22:14 | |
| MinceR | also, live and bìng | Jul 07 22:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: mojave was bete | Jul 07 22:14 |
| schestowitz | *better | Jul 07 22:14 |
| schestowitz | it ran on different hardware :-) | Jul 07 22:15 |
| MinceR | yes, because it had a different name | Jul 07 22:15 |
| DrPizza | Yes, MPEG-LA is profiting from selling licenses. | Jul 07 22:15 |
| schestowitz | And its users were dummies | Jul 07 22:15 |
| MinceR | and the users weren't allowed to touch it | Jul 07 22:15 |
| DrPizza | and MPEG-LA did not develop H.264. | Jul 07 22:15 |
| DrPizza | who has said anything different? | Jul 07 22:15 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it's a demo | Jul 07 22:15 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: you said that m$ profited from innovations they did | Jul 07 22:15 |
| schestowitz | and the video was done selectively | Jul 07 22:15 |
| MinceR | apparently the cartel profits from the work of others | Jul 07 22:15 |
| MinceR | or you're lying | Jul 07 22:15 |
| MinceR | or both | Jul 07 22:15 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: ??? | Jul 07 22:15 |
| Viper550 | We need Intellectual Property Pig. | Jul 07 22:16 |
| eebrah | why pay MPEG-LA if they did not develop h264? DrPizza? | Jul 07 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Viper550: that too | Jul 07 22:16 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: MPEG-LA sells patent licenses. | Jul 07 22:16 |
| schestowitz | !google patents on pigs | Jul 07 22:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Monsanto files patent for new invention: the pig | Greenpeace ... | http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/features/monsanto-pig-patent-111/ | Jul 07 22:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Patent For A Pig: The Big Business of Genetics | Watch Free ... | http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/patent-for-a-pig/ | Jul 07 22:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Home | no patents on seeds | http://www.no-patents-on-seeds.org/ | Jul 07 22:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Patent For a Pig (vid) + Monsanto files patent for new invention ... | http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/patent-for-a-pig-video-monsanto-files-patent-for-new-invention-the-pig-2005/ | Jul 07 22:16 |
| MinceR | yes, we know that | Jul 07 22:16 |
| ThistleWeb | if this is an example of the quality control of Ars Technica writers in knowing their stuff, I'm seriously tempted to remove them from my reader | Jul 07 22:16 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: It is an agent for the MPEG developers. | Jul 07 22:16 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 07 22:16 |
| Viper550 | I mean: PUT BOUGHT ARTWORK IN WINDOW // SORRY, UNAUTHORIZED PUBLIC PERFORMANCE | Jul 07 22:16 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: The various MPEG developers have authorized MPEG LA to act on their behalf and sell patent license.s | Jul 07 22:16 |
| Viper550 | like these http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnoxrbQlYY1qj1zev.png | Jul 07 22:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/png type | Jul 07 22:17 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: most of the money MPEG LA collects is passed through to the developers | Jul 07 22:17 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: but MPEG LA retains some amount of money for itself. | Jul 07 22:17 |
| MinceR | yes, and they did this purely for charitable reasons | Jul 07 22:17 |
| DrPizza | MPEG LA is a non-exclusive agent | Jul 07 22:17 |
| DrPizza | if you prefer | Jul 07 22:17 |
| DrPizza | you can ask each company to licenses its patents individually | Jul 07 22:17 |
| DrPizza | MPEG LA is intended to be more convenient | Jul 07 22:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: see mpeg-la's extortion in areas other than mpeg. They expanded | Jul 07 22:17 |
| eebrah | DrPizza: With VP8 I have the source code and no patent suit from owner | Jul 07 22:17 |
| DrPizza | but you might get a better price if you go direct to the developers | Jul 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Trolling was a good business model for them | Jul 07 22:18 |
| MinceR | or i could use a codec for which i get a fair patent license | Jul 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz | but the name mpeg-la stayed | Jul 07 22:18 |
| eebrah | not so with h264 plus else I have to pay | Jul 07 22:18 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: you don't have to pay at all, there are no software patents in your country | Jul 07 22:18 |
| eebrah | DrPizza: technicality | Jul 07 22:18 |
| MinceR | until you get entangled with business in countries where there are software patents | Jul 07 22:18 |
| eebrah | there soon could be DrPizza | Jul 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz | then they use sanctions | Jul 07 22:19 |
| schestowitz | e.g. ITC | Jul 07 22:19 |
| MinceR | or until some usian megacorps bribe kenyan politicians to introduce sw patents | Jul 07 22:19 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: only the people under the jurisdiction with software patents will have to pay | Jul 07 22:19 |
| eebrah | why risk with h264 when I could use VP8 drPizza: | Jul 07 22:19 |
| schestowitz | !google kenya techrights ooxml | Jul 07 22:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - OOXML Incidents Index: From [K]enya to [N]orway | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2008/05/26/ooxml-incidents-k-to-n/ | Jul 07 22:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The Latest News on the Microsoft OOXML Fiasco (Updated) | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2007/08/31/ooxml-fiasco/ | Jul 07 22:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Africa | Techrights - Part 2 | http://techrights.org/category/africa/page/2/ | Jul 07 22:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Where is there an end of it? | Microsoft Fails the Standards Test | http://www.adjb.net/post/Microsoft-Fails-the-Standards-Test.aspx | Jul 07 22:19 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: I don't follow. | Jul 07 22:19 |
| MinceR | which of course means that your web content that you intended to share for everyone to enjoy free of charge won't be shared to everyone | Jul 07 22:19 |
| eebrah | follow links | Jul 07 22:19 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2008/04/21/kenya-ooxml-extortion/ | Jul 07 22:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Accused of Blackmail and Rigging for OOXML in Kenya | Techrights .::. Size~: 106.44 KB | Jul 07 22:19 |
| eebrah | DrPizza follow links | Jul 07 22:20 |
| DrPizza | huh? | Jul 07 22:20 |
| MinceR | which is kind of against the whole idea of the www | Jul 07 22:20 |
| DrPizza | which links? | Jul 07 22:20 |
| eebrah | 1st world corps lobbying for software patents here | Jul 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: those things Ars lacks | Jul 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz | It pretends to be new age NYT | Jul 07 22:20 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: so? | Jul 07 22:20 |
| eebrah | DrPizza Given recent history, they will get their way | Jul 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz | And like that old press it doesn['t back up claims with links | Jul 07 22:20 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: what are you talking about? | Jul 07 22:20 |
| ender_33 | 17:13 < ThistleWeb> to be open it means the code is available to be modified and redistributed by anyone | Jul 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Becuase Ars is just too reliable to need sourcing | Jul 07 22:21 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: I've never said you shouldn't use VP8 if you don't want to. | Jul 07 22:21 |
| ender_33 | looks like everyone is re-writing the dictionary | Jul 07 22:21 |
| ender_33 | that's the defintion of 'open source' | Jul 07 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Even more so than academic publications that have detailed bibliography | Jul 07 22:21 |
| eebrah | So I may soon have to payfor those patents DrPizza | Jul 07 22:21 |
| DrPizza | ender_33: yes, "open standards"/"open specifications" seems to have been rather tainted by "open source" | Jul 07 22:21 |
| DrPizza | it was not always this way | Jul 07 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Ars headline "Google's dropping H.264 from Chrome a step backward for openness" | Jul 07 22:21 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: so? | Jul 07 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Trust it, it's Ars, it's VERY good | Jul 07 22:21 |
| ender_33 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_standard | Jul 07 22:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Open standard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 97.18 KB | Jul 07 22:21 |
| ender_33 | here, DrPizza is right | Jul 07 22:21 |
| schestowitz | http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2011/01/13/openness | Jul 07 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Haavard - Is the removal of H.264 from Chrome a step backward for openness? .::. Size~: 98.96 KB | Jul 07 22:22 |
| eebrah | if I use patent unencumbered format, I then will not have to pay DrPizza | Jul 07 22:22 |
| DrPizza | ender_33: wikipedia was clearly written by Microsoft boosters! | Jul 07 22:22 |
| ThistleWeb | DrPizza: when you're expected to pay for something you can't afford, to make some already greedy company that little bit richer, it's an issue | Jul 07 22:22 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: but WebM isn't patent unencumbered. | Jul 07 22:22 |
| ender_33 | "An open standard is a standard that is publicly available and has various rights to use associated with it, and may also have various properties of how it was designed (e.g. open process)." | Jul 07 22:22 |
| MinceR | ender_33: did you read that page long enough to see that there are many definitions of the term? | Jul 07 22:22 |
| ender_33 | where was the open process for vp8 | Jul 07 22:22 |
| eebrah | DrPizza Patent owner [ google ] say I am free to use | Jul 07 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [22:20] <eebrah> 1st world corps lobbying for software patents here | Jul 07 22:22 |
| schestowitz | they also push patented seeds | Jul 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz | !google bill gates buys allofafrica | Jul 07 22:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - The New Rulers of the World | Watch Free Documentary Online | http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-new-rulers-of-the-world/ | Jul 07 22:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - John Pilger - Investigates - NWO - Alex Jones - Infowars - David Icke | http://video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D5488926059460319590 | Jul 07 22:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Mr. X from Planet X » imf | http://mrxfromplanetx.com/tag/imf/ | Jul 07 22:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - The New Rulers of the World | Bullfrog Films: 1-800-543-3764 ... | http://www.bullfrogfilms.com/catalog/new.html | Jul 07 22:23 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: no, the broader patent grant, for WebM's patent pool, only gives you a grant if you use Google's source code | Jul 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz | !google bill gates buys allafrica | Jul 07 22:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Bill Gates Pays Millions to AllAfrica (“Largest Electronic ... | http://techrights.org/2011/01/10/self-censorship-in-africa/ | Jul 07 22:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - allAfrica.com: Africa: 'Best Chance' to End Polio - Bill Gates ... | http://allafrica.com/stories/201102091101.html | Jul 07 22:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - allAfrica.com: Africa: Bill Gates Speech to the Sixty-fourth World ... | http://allafrica.com/stories/201105180924.html | Jul 07 22:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - allAfrica.com: Africa: Solving Poverty and Hunger More Hopeful ... | http://allafrica.com/stories/201105250941.html | Jul 07 22:23 |
| ender_33 | mincer - if there is more than one why are you guys telling DrPizza he's wrong | Jul 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz | read [1] | Jul 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Then understand [2,3,4] | Jul 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Mr. Gates, the world's #1 lobnbyists, sure gets around | Jul 07 22:23 |
| MinceR | i didn't look up the page back then and naturally assumed the definition that seemed actually useful | Jul 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz | For Monsanto | Jul 07 22:23 |
| MinceR | (as in, not practically meaningless) | Jul 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Which he is a major investor in | Jul 07 22:23 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: but the definition isn't "practically meaningless" | Jul 07 22:24 |
| ender_33 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_format | Jul 07 22:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Open format - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 51.7 KB | Jul 07 22:24 |
| MinceR | the OSI definition seems pretty meaningful, for example | Jul 07 22:24 |
| ender_33 | more microsoft boosters | Jul 07 22:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] unveilling a new page "BUZZ" at the !InconstantMoon blog http://ur1.ca/4nrhb (fyi @ericswett & @whistlewright) | Jul 07 22:24 | |
| DrPizza | MinceR: surely you appreciate that there's a difference between specifications written behind closed doors (e.g. VP8) and ones developed in a community process (e.g. VP9, H.264)? | Jul 07 22:24 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: the "you could have contributed to it for the profit others but you're screwed now" definition is meaningful? | Jul 07 22:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Inconstant Moon – BUZZ .::. Size~: 16.45 KB | Jul 07 22:24 |
| ender_33 | this is the "open" in regards to SOURCE CODE | Jul 07 22:24 |
| ender_33 | http://www.opensource.org/osd.html | Jul 07 22:24 |
| MinceR | i'm still not sure how much of a "community process" that was | Jul 07 22:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Open Source Definition (Annotated) | Open Source Initiative .::. Size~: 13.73 KB | Jul 07 22:24 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: what are you talking about? | Jul 07 22:24 |
| DrPizza | many organizations participated | Jul 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: no, mpeg la and all tose corrupted ISO | Jul 07 22:25 |
| MinceR | ender_33: try to read the page you linked to, for once | Jul 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Their story is similar to that of OOXML | Jul 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz | It's not an open standards | Jul 07 22:25 |
| DrPizza | ITU too? | Jul 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz | !google phipps mpeg-la standard | Jul 07 22:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - MPEG-LA - Techrights | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/MPEG-LA | Jul 07 22:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - MPEG-LA Offers 'Free' Drugs (Read the Fine Print) | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2010/08/26/mpeg-la-trick/ | Jul 07 22:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Hold The Celebrations; H.264 Is Not The Sort Of Free That Matters ... | http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/simon-says/2010/08/hold-the-h264-celebrations/index.htm | Jul 07 22:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Google's WebM Strategy: Open-Source Approved or Patent Exposure ... | http://www.streamingmedia.com/Articles/ReadArticle.aspx%3FArticleID%3D67696 | Jul 07 22:25 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: yes, maybe many organizations that are closely knit and share common interests and goals did | Jul 07 22:25 |
| ender_33 | mincer - try reading something other than the defintion you selected out of many | Jul 07 22:25 |
| MinceR | ender_33: been there, done that | Jul 07 22:25 |
| MinceR | discussed it | Jul 07 22:25 |
| MinceR | moved on | Jul 07 22:25 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: it was a pretty broad range, including private corporations, national standards bodies, and universities | Jul 07 22:25 |
| ender_33 | nah thats bullshit | Jul 07 22:25 |
| ender_33 | its the same bit of hypocrit bullshit I see when people don't boycott Firefox | Jul 07 22:26 |
| ender_33 | trademarks! | Jul 07 22:26 |
| DrPizza | ender_33: Or Chrome continuing to support MP3. | Jul 07 22:26 |
| DrPizza | but that's OK somehow | Jul 07 22:26 |
| DrPizza | because uhhh | Jul 07 22:27 |
| DrPizza | the patents for MP3 expire soon | Jul 07 22:27 |
| DrPizza | so who cares about royalties | Jul 07 22:27 |
| MinceR | ender_33: guess what, you can modify firefox, compile it, and have it call itself firefox and use the firefox logo :> | Jul 07 22:27 |
| ender_33 | mincer - not without violating trademarks | Jul 07 22:27 |
| MinceR | actually you can, without violating trademarks | Jul 07 22:27 |
| ender_33 | nope | Jul 07 22:27 |
| MinceR | like the name says, trademarks apply to trade | Jul 07 22:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] “dannyman.toldme.com : Updating WordPress: Upgrading php53 on CentOS”: http://dannyman.toldme.com/2011/07/05/wordpress-upgrade-php53-centos/ | Jul 07 22:27 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: dannyman.toldme.com : Updating WordPress: Upgrading php53 on CentOS .::. Size~: 26.03 KB | Jul 07 22:27 |
| MinceR | if you do this privately, you don't engage in trade | Jul 07 22:27 |
| ender_33 | does the same not apply to h264 videos I encode and don't distribute? | Jul 07 22:28 |
| ender_33 | ut oh | Jul 07 22:28 |
| MinceR | no, because h.264 is covered by patents, not trademarks | Jul 07 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Here is what DrPizza's colleague wrote: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/06/boycott-opera-and-firefox-and-chrome-wait-what.ars | Jul 07 22:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Boycott Opera! And Firefox! And Chrome! Wait, what? .::. Size~: 32.65 KB | Jul 07 22:28 |
| *ender_33 watches mincer's brain explode | Jul 07 22:28 | |
| MinceR | you seem to be confused by the "IP" umbrella term | Jul 07 22:28 |
| schestowitz | They play along with the Microsoft party line | Jul 07 22:28 |
| MinceR | in exactly the way the FSF said it would | Jul 07 22:28 |
| MinceR | how ironic | Jul 07 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Even on browser stuff | Jul 07 22:28 |
| schestowitz | I've yet to see them diverging on opinions | Jul 07 22:28 |
| ender_33 | nah | Jul 07 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | most of those nonfree codecs have personal use provisions if you use their official codec (which in the case of MP3, sucks) | Jul 07 22:29 |
| MinceR | copyrights, trademarks and patents work differently | Jul 07 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | in other words, you can use it as a toy, but don't make money or we'll sue you | Jul 07 22:29 |
| ender_33 | patents and trademarks are artificial restrictions that effect the freedom of the source | Jul 07 22:29 |
| MinceR | can you express it more vaguely? | Jul 07 22:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] sleep well @marjoleink | Jul 07 22:29 | |
| ender_33 | mincer - grow a brain, goodnight | Jul 07 22:29 |
| MinceR | take your own advice | Jul 07 22:29 |
| schestowitz | ender_33: TM too? | Jul 07 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | FhG has an official Linux binary for MP3, but I don't know anyone that actually uses it | Jul 07 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | at least not by choice | Jul 07 22:30 |
| schestowitz | They affect its labelling | Jul 07 22:30 |
| ender_33 | schestowitz - TM? | Jul 07 22:30 |
| ThistleWeb | oooh Ars are hiring? do they have an aptitude test? I suspect not given this performance | Jul 07 22:30 |
| schestowitz | trademarks | Jul 07 22:30 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 07 22:30 |
| MinceR | ThistleWeb: perhaps they test for a different kind of aptitude | Jul 07 22:30 |
| ender_33 | yes they do | Jul 07 22:30 |
| ender_33 | refer to Iceweasel / Icecat | Jul 07 22:30 |
| ender_33 | bye for now | Jul 07 22:30 |
| ThistleWeb | loyalty test maybe? | Jul 07 22:30 |
| schestowitz | I can't take your kid and call it like your other kid | Jul 07 22:30 |
| schestowitz | That would confuse people | Jul 07 22:30 |
| DrPizza | yes, you have to be a microsoft booster, like all the people writing wikipedia | Jul 07 22:30 |
| MinceR | iceweasel: same _code_, different logo and name | Jul 07 22:30 |
| MinceR | seems to be working | Jul 07 22:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Contrary to reports in Forbes, Visa tells The Atlantic Wire they haven't lifted financial blockage on #Wikileaks https://eff.org/r.48d | Jul 07 22:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] RT @shiny Predictions that [Irish ISP] would end up falsely accusing innocent users have now proved correct, with over 300 users http:/ ... | Jul 07 22:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @eff Contrary to reports in Forbes, Visa tells The Atlantic Wire they haven't lifted financial blockage on #Wikileaks https://eff.org ... | Jul 07 22:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @lxoliva Not me. | Jul 07 22:31 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Visa Says It's Still Not Processing Transactions for WikiLeaks - Technology - The Atlantic Wire .::. Size~: 54 KB | Jul 07 22:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Electronic Frontier Foundation | Defending Freedom in the Digital World .::. Size~: 15.25 KB | Jul 07 22:31 |
| MinceR | ThistleWeb: could be | Jul 07 22:31 |
| MinceR | ThistleWeb: also, a test for lack of ethics, lack of morality, and the ability to bend over backwards for the megacorporations | Jul 07 22:31 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: who ever claims that? | Jul 07 22:31 |
| schestowitz | In fact, Microsoft used to whine about Pedians being Microsoft-hostile | Jul 07 22:32 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: is being a m$ booster a requirement only for the m$ section or for all sections? | Jul 07 22:32 |
| ThistleWeb | MinceR: that sounds like an aptitude test for politicians | Jul 07 22:32 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: all sections, of course | Jul 07 22:32 |
| MinceR | ThistleWeb: similar position | Jul 07 22:32 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it's like Ina Fried | Jul 07 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Among many more | Jul 07 22:32 |
| schestowitz | PaulT, Mary JF, Rob Enderle, Ed Bought... | Jul 07 22:32 |
| MinceR | ThistleWeb: pushing the interests of a powerful entity for tiny scraps of the money | Jul 07 22:32 |
| MinceR | or for not even that | Jul 07 22:32 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: Wikipedia's definition of Open Standards would make H.264 an open standard, but VP8 a proprietary one. Therefore, Wikipedia must be written by Microsoft boosters. | Jul 07 22:32 |
| MinceR | or for a bit of power, sometimes | Jul 07 22:32 |
| MinceR | wikipedia published multiple definitions | Jul 07 22:33 |
| MinceR | also, wikipedia is a battleground of political cliques | Jul 07 22:33 |
| MinceR | discretion is necessary when reading about controversial issues | Jul 07 22:33 |
| eebrah | <MinceR>wikipedia published multiple definitions | Jul 07 22:34 |
| DrPizza | so you don't think it's useful do differentiate between standards created behind closed doors (VP8) and standards created in the open (VP9, H.264)? | Jul 07 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Ars Technica sections are: | Jul 07 22:34 |
| DrPizza | I sure do. | Jul 07 22:34 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 07 22:34 |
| schestowitz | ALL | Jul 07 22:34 |
| schestowitz | APPLE | Jul 07 22:34 |
| schestowitz | ASK ARS | Jul 07 22:34 |
| schestowitz | BUSINESS | Jul 07 22:34 |
| schestowitz | GADGETS | Jul 07 22:34 |
| schestowitz | GAMING | Jul 07 22:34 |
| schestowitz | MICROSOFT | Jul 07 22:34 |
| schestowitz | OPEN SOURCE | Jul 07 22:34 |
| schestowitz | SCIENCE | Jul 07 22:34 |
| schestowitz | TECH POLICY | Jul 07 22:34 |
| schestowitz | MORE | Jul 07 22:34 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: you'll notice I never said that WebM wasn't "open source" or anything like that. | Jul 07 22:34 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 07 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Better than ZDNET | Jul 07 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see them rushing to use h264 | Jul 07 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | they know it's a patent trap | Jul 07 22:34 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: just that VP8 standard is proprietary. | Jul 07 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | they use Theora right now | Jul 07 22:34 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: i think the difference between standards having a free software reference implementation and standards not having any such is more important, by many magnitudes | Jul 07 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Where Vista 7 was a TOP LVEL section | Jul 07 22:35 |
| schestowitz | I see they removed it now | Jul 07 22:35 |
| MinceR | 225833 < DrPizza> schestowitz: WebM is technically inferior, proprietary, patented. | Jul 07 22:35 |
| schestowitz | O guess their Microsoft endorsement has run out | Jul 07 22:35 |
| MinceR | oops | Jul 07 22:35 |
| MinceR | you did say it was proprietary | Jul 07 22:35 |
| schestowitz | I also exposed it ajnd caused them trouble for that | Jul 07 22:35 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: WebM specification, yes | Jul 07 22:35 |
| MinceR | want to play again? | Jul 07 22:35 |
| DrPizza | WebM software, no | Jul 07 22:35 |
| DrPizza | specification != software | Jul 07 22:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] wouldn't it be karma if the #NOTW top brass had every private account hacked & leaked to the public, emails, phones, the works | Jul 07 22:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @thistleweb wouldn't it be karma if the #NOTW top brass had every private account hacked & leaked to the public, emails, phones, the ... | Jul 07 22:36 | |
| MinceR | i see no "specification" on that line... | Jul 07 22:36 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: I think the reference implementation of H.264 may be free. | Jul 07 22:36 |
| DrPizza | I don't know | Jul 07 22:36 |
| DrPizza | I would have to download it and check. | Jul 07 22:36 |
| MinceR | 225930 < schestowitz> DrPizza: webm is NOT proprietary | Jul 07 22:36 |
| MinceR | 225948 < DrPizza> it's entirely proprietary | Jul 07 22:36 |
| MinceR | 230827 < DrPizza> I've said all along that WebM is proprietary | Jul 07 22:36 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: WebM is a spec, first and foremost. | Jul 07 22:36 |
| DrPizza | That's why Google talks about it being implemented in hardware etc. | Jul 07 22:37 |
| MinceR | don't try to back out of it now | Jul 07 22:37 |
| DrPizza | I'm not backing out of it | Jul 07 22:37 |
| MinceR | you are | Jul 07 22:37 |
| schestowitz | you are | Jul 07 22:37 |
| DrPizza | no I'm not | Jul 07 22:37 |
| DrPizza | the software isn't called webm, even | Jul 07 22:37 |
| DrPizza | it's libvpx | Jul 07 22:37 |
| schestowitz | you can get back to older talking points | Jul 07 22:37 |
| MinceR | you kept swearing up and down that "WebM" was proprietary, then suddenly decided that it isn't | Jul 07 22:37 |
| DrPizza | no | Jul 07 22:37 |
| MinceR | oh wow, it's called different | Jul 07 22:37 |
| DrPizza | WebM is proprietary | Jul 07 22:37 |
| schestowitz | [21:17] <DrPizza> The market is saturated with H.264. | Jul 07 22:37 |
| DrPizza | libvpx is open source | Jul 07 22:37 |
| schestowitz | ^^ which is a weak defence | Jul 07 22:37 |
| MinceR | in m$ world, different names and different skins make all the difference | Jul 07 22:38 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: a specification is not an implementation | Jul 07 22:38 |
| MinceR | perhaps because that's all m$ people can understand | Jul 07 22:38 |
| DrPizza | they are two different things | Jul 07 22:38 |
| DrPizza | it's quite reasonable for them to have two diffrent names | Jul 07 22:38 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: a good specification comes with a free reference implementation | Jul 07 22:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: in FlorianWorld, Google is evil for being attacked by paents :> | Jul 07 22:38 |
| MinceR | otherwise it can be ambiguous | Jul 07 22:38 |
| MinceR | and probably is | Jul 07 22:38 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: H.264 includes a reference decoder | Jul 07 22:38 |
| MinceR | can i use it to decode anyone's h.264 videos? | Jul 07 22:38 |
| MinceR | also, where's the reference encoder? | Jul 07 22:39 |
| DrPizza | there's no reference encoder, because any compliant bitstream is H.264 | Jul 07 22:39 |
| Viper550 | everyone, I'd like you to meet Intellectual Property Pig http://i.imgur.com/PD31i.png | Jul 07 22:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/png type | Jul 07 22:39 |
| DrPizza | H.264 only defines the decode process | Jul 07 22:39 |
| DrPizza | you're free to encode however you want | Jul 07 22:39 |
| DrPizza | the only restriction | Jul 07 22:39 |
| MinceR | oh, no complete reference implementation then | Jul 07 22:39 |
| MinceR | what a pity | Jul 07 22:39 |
| DrPizza | is that you must produce a compatible bitstream | Jul 07 22:39 |
| DrPizza | why would you need an encoder? | Jul 07 22:39 |
| DrPizza | encoding is up to you | Jul 07 22:39 |
| DrPizza | that's why different encoders have different options and different quality | Jul 07 22:39 |
| MinceR | yes, i can just pull bits out of /dev/urandom until the decoder brings out what i want | Jul 07 22:40 |
| DrPizza | as long as you create a conformant bitstream | Jul 07 22:40 |
| MinceR | never mind that the universe will end before it happens | Jul 07 22:40 |
| DrPizza | probably true. | Jul 07 22:40 |
| DrPizza | but it means you can, for example, experiment with different psychovisual models | Jul 07 22:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @thistleweb: wouldn't it be karma if #NOTW top brass had every private account hacked & leaked to the public, emails, phones, the works | Jul 07 22:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD @eff Contrary to reports in Forbes, Visa tells The Atlantic Wire they haven't lifted financial blockage on #Wikileaks https://eff.org ... | Jul 07 22:41 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Electronic Frontier Foundation | Defending Freedom in the Digital World .::. Size~: 15.25 KB | Jul 07 22:41 |
| MinceR | or i could just use a free codec and encode and decode my videos and share them with anyone anywhere on the web | Jul 07 22:41 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 07 22:41 |
| DrPizza | MP3 works the same way | Jul 07 22:41 |
| DrPizza | the spec only includes decoding | Jul 07 22:41 |
| MinceR | didn't the patents on mp3 expire already? | Jul 07 22:41 |
| DrPizza | not yet | Jul 07 22:41 |
| MinceR | how long until they do? | Jul 07 22:41 |
| DrPizza | I think the last will be finished in 2012 | Jul 07 22:41 |
| MinceR | if someone sues me for using mp3 without paying for the privilege, will the court case end before that? :> | Jul 07 22:42 |
| MinceR | i prefer ogg vorbis anyway | Jul 07 22:42 |
| DrPizza | No, but I don't think that would necessarily help you. | Jul 07 22:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Ars Technica: Samsung releases code of WebCL implementation for WebKit http://goo.gl/QhPwZ | Jul 07 22:42 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Samsung releases code of WebCL implementation for WebKit .::. Size~: 31.76 KB | Jul 07 22:42 |
| MinceR | yes, that's possible | Jul 07 22:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "you'll never see a more wretched hive of scum & villiany" - Obi Wan Kenobi on approaching the #NOTW HQ | Jul 07 22:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] The BBC news section only makes a move when it feels it will not upset the powers that be. #boughtandpaidfor | Jul 07 22:44 | |
| DrPizza | MinceR: but anyway, the decoder-only approach is pretty common, and whilst it's a little surprising at first glance, it makes sense. | Jul 07 22:45 |
| MinceR | it might make sense, but it's still problematic | Jul 07 22:45 |
| DrPizza | the purpose of the spec is not to standardize how things are compressed | Jul 07 22:45 |
| DrPizza | it's to standardize how to play them | Jul 07 22:45 |
| DrPizza | in any case | Jul 07 22:46 |
| DrPizza | x264 is nicely GPLed for you | Jul 07 22:46 |
| DrPizza | so you can use that | Jul 07 22:46 |
| MinceR | it might be useful to show that it can be done, though | Jul 07 22:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @threethirty ♻ @Valleywag: Bradley Manning Chats About His Political Ambitions and His Boyfriend http://gawker.com/5819102/ | Jul 07 22:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Nice, after my talk at #fisl more and more people from #brazil sign the #pdfreaders petition http://ur1.ca/4nrjs to remove non-!fs adds | Jul 07 22:46 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bradley Manning Chats About His Political Ambitions and His Boyfriend .::. Size~: 114.98 KB | Jul 07 22:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: PDFreaders - Petição .::. Size~: 69.63 KB | Jul 07 22:46 |
| MinceR | yes, i can use x264 as long as software patents don't affect what i'm doing where i'm doing | Jul 07 22:46 |
| MinceR | it | Jul 07 22:46 |
| MinceR | or i could just use webm or theora or uncompressed video and not worry about it | Jul 07 22:46 |
| schestowitz | mplayer has .hu repo | Jul 07 22:46 |
| DrPizza | uncompressed isn't really an option for most things that H.264 is used for | Jul 07 22:47 |
| MinceR | it's at least partially developed by hungarians | Jul 07 22:47 |
| DrPizza | Theora's quality is way worse than WebM or H.264 | Jul 07 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Viktor Orban hasn't banned it yet | Jul 07 22:47 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: indeed | Jul 07 22:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @toros Ars Technica: Samsung releases code of WebCL implementation for WebKit http://goo.gl/QhPwZ | Jul 07 22:47 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Samsung releases code of WebCL implementation for WebKit .::. Size~: 31.85 KB | Jul 07 22:47 |
| MinceR | oh, i can also use mjpeg | Jul 07 22:47 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: anyway, I think the ITU/MPEG standardization process is valuable, and desirable; the actual written spec and test videos for H.264 is a lot better than that of VP8. | Jul 07 22:48 |
| MinceR | i don't think that it is so useful if it's used to develop a nonfree standard | Jul 07 22:49 |
| DrPizza | but can you at least acknowledge that it's open in a way that VP8 wasn't? | Jul 07 22:49 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if it is | Jul 07 22:49 |
| MinceR | i didn't see the process happen, i wasn't invited to take part in it | Jul 07 22:49 |
| DrPizza | I wouldn't expect them to e-mail everyone on the planet and ask | Jul 07 22:49 |
| MinceR | i don't know who the participants are, how much stake they took in it and how much were they interlocked | Jul 07 22:50 |
| MinceR | there's this useful little thing known as the world wide web, you might have heard of it | Jul 07 22:50 |
| DrPizza | yes, and these groups have sites on the WWW | Jul 07 22:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Shirley Wiliams and Barbara Castle two politicians I have time for. | Jul 07 22:51 | |
| MinceR | i don't think that any random professional would have much of an interest in contributing to a work that will then be licensed to him and others by highly restrictive terms | Jul 07 22:51 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: you might as well say that you don't think any random professional would spend his time and money contributing to a work that will be given away for free. | Jul 07 22:52 |
| MinceR | (a lot like m$ and crApple take the work of others, build it into shoddy software of their own and then sell it to everyone as nonfree software, even to the people whose work they took) | Jul 07 22:52 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: i won't say that because i know that it's false | Jul 07 22:52 |
| MinceR | there's an entire community to prove it false | Jul 07 22:52 |
| MinceR | the free software community | Jul 07 22:52 |
| DrPizza | Er, and? | Jul 07 22:52 |
| DrPizza | What you said was false too. | Jul 07 22:52 |
| DrPizza | But you still said it. | Jul 07 22:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] @lxoliva I wrote a blog post to that effect in 2009: http://ur1.ca/6u7f | Jul 07 22:52 | |
| MinceR | what did i say that was false? | Jul 07 22:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Black Duck Report is Meaningless Without Source Code - SFLC Blog - Software Freedom Law Center .::. Size~: 8.6 KB | Jul 07 22:52 |
| DrPizza | <MinceR> i don't think that any random professional would have much of an interest in contributing to a work that will then be licensed to him and others by highly restrictive terms | Jul 07 22:53 |
| MinceR | so you think that's equal to the case of contributing to a work that's given away gratis? | Jul 07 22:53 |
| DrPizza | I think in the world of video codecs, absolutely. | Jul 07 22:55 |
| DrPizza | I don't think it's a mere accident that H.264 is, in fact, a really good codec (objectively, in terms of quality) | Jul 07 22:55 |
| MinceR | do you think that it's a mere accident that webm is a really good codec? | Jul 07 22:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @cer I know them now, my ancient enemies Falsehood! Prejudice! Compromise! Cowardice! Whats that? Surrender? No! Never! -Cyr http://u ... | Jul 07 22:56 | |
| ThistleWeb | "giving away free" is a promotional tool, bands don't get paid to put up posters advertising their gig, they put those posters up for free, to tempt people to come and pay at the gig, for merchandisng, CDs, and / or the door entry fee | Jul 07 22:56 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: I think WebM is decent (though not as good as H.264), but that's no surprise. On2 wanted to get paid for it, so it had to be reasonably good. | Jul 07 22:56 |
| schestowitz | it got paid | Jul 07 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Google bought it | Jul 07 22:57 |
| schestowitz | And Google monetises with ads | Jul 07 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Not patent royalties | Jul 07 22:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @jezra lol... excellent advice | Jul 07 22:57 | |
| schestowitz | and it's easy to block these ads too, that is, if you dislike ads | Jul 07 22:58 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: while nobody expected to get paid for h.264? | Jul 07 22:58 |
| schestowitz | No | Jul 07 22:58 |
| schestowitz | It's charity | Jul 07 22:58 |
| schestowitz | From Jobs and BAllmer | Jul 07 22:58 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: huh? | Jul 07 22:58 |
| schestowitz | MPEG-la, akaSteve Foundatiobn | Jul 07 22:58 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: i don't see the point of emphasizing that On2 wanted to get paid for VP8 | Jul 07 22:59 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: you know that Apple and MS are both net losers when it comes to H.264 royalties? They pay more to MPEG-LA than they receive back | Jul 07 22:59 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: mpegh-la's business model is patents | Jul 07 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Gogole's is not | Jul 07 22:59 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: MPEG LA didn't invent H.264, their business model is irrelevant to the question of contributions to H.264 itself. | Jul 07 22:59 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: mpeg-la helps them exclude competition | Jul 07 22:59 |
| schestowitz | They want a thicket | Jul 07 22:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] XFCE #xubuntu is even worst then KDE on my Athlon XP2000+, back to #unity | Jul 07 22:59 | |
| MinceR | DrPizza: i doubt that includes stuff like the advantage m$ gets for including WMP and patent-encumbered codecs in winblows | Jul 07 22:59 |
| schestowitz | That's what monopolists tend to favour | Jul 07 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Many fences | Jul 07 22:59 |
| DrPizza | it's only adfvangeous if people want to use H.264 in the first place | Jul 07 23:00 |
| MinceR | and of course the option to use the patent suite against any would-be competitors | Jul 07 23:00 |
| MinceR | is it? | Jul 07 23:00 |
| MinceR | do people buy PCs with windows preinstalled because they want to use windows or because they don't get a choice? | Jul 07 23:00 |
| ThistleWeb | when you upload to youtube, does it offer a choice of codecs? | Jul 07 23:00 |
| schestowitz | !google roy jobs apple ogg | Jul 07 23:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Steve Jobs: mystery patent pool to attack Ogg Theora • The Register | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/30/steve_jobs_claims_ogg_theora_attack/ | Jul 07 23:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Is Apple Planning A Move Against Ogg Theora? | News & Opinion ... | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2363325,00.asp | Jul 07 23:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Steve Jobs: mystery patent pool to attack Ogg Theora (Attacks Open ... | http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2505640/posts | Jul 07 23:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Steve Jobs: Patent War Brewing Over Ogg Theora and H.264 | Cult of Mac | http://www.cultofmac.com/steve-jobs-patent-war-brewing-over-ogg-theora-and-h-264/41326 | Jul 07 23:00 |
| ThistleWeb | what about when people insist that "hey h264 is great, it's free, why not use it" | Jul 07 23:01 |
| MinceR | it might depend on what codec your uploaded file is encoded with | Jul 07 23:01 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: If people didn't want to use H.264, why would MS bother paying the royalty to include it? | Jul 07 23:01 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: depends what you upload | Jul 07 23:01 |
| MinceR | DrPizza: because m$ would find a way to make people use it against their will | Jul 07 23:01 |
| schestowitz | it'll get converted to webm, over time | Jul 07 23:01 |
| MinceR | that's their business model when it comes to software | Jul 07 23:01 |
| DrPizza | ??? | Jul 07 23:01 |
| schestowitz | but afaik flash supports the variety of uploaded formats | Jul 07 23:01 |
| eebrah | DrPizza Because MS is a memeber of MPEG-LA? | Jul 07 23:01 |
| MinceR | they foist shoddy software upon unwilling users and tax them for it | Jul 07 23:02 |
| MinceR | unwilling or even unwitting | Jul 07 23:02 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: so? they still pay more than they earn from the royalties | Jul 07 23:02 |
| ThistleWeb | I know their default video codec was h264, they may have opened that up since | Jul 07 23:02 |
| MinceR | most windows users don't even know what "windows" is | Jul 07 23:02 |
| eebrah | They do not want to "betray" their business model | Jul 07 23:02 |
| MinceR | also, that statement might come from cooking the books, which is another thing usian megacorporations are good at | Jul 07 23:03 |
| eebrah | DrPizza They do not want to "betray" their business model | Jul 07 23:03 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it's the reactagle thingue | Jul 07 23:03 |
| schestowitz | where you click in the blue e thinguie | Jul 07 23:03 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 07 23:03 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: absurd. | Jul 07 23:03 |
| MinceR | yes, and they call it "internet" | Jul 07 23:03 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: a business model is not like a girlfriend | Jul 07 23:03 |
| DrPizza | eebrah: MPEG LA won't get all butthurt if MS doesn't include H.264 decoders | Jul 07 23:04 |
| DrPizza | the reason they included it | Jul 07 23:04 |
| DrPizza | is because lots of pirate hi-def video is H.264 | Jul 07 23:04 |
| DrPizza | and people want to be able to play that back in Windows | Jul 07 23:04 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I call it "salad" | Jul 07 23:04 |
| eebrah | DrPizza the MPEG-LA contains companies they do business with, comapnies that would not take knidly to microsoft shafting them | Jul 07 23:04 |
| DrPizza | there's market demand for it | Jul 07 23:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @copiesofcopies thanks, I found their 2009's announcement and much discussion about it, but I thought there was something more recent | Jul 07 23:04 | |
| MinceR | actually if that was the reason, people would just pirate the codecs too | Jul 07 23:04 |
| ThistleWeb | exactly, people are open to meeting a new girlfriend if the current one becomes obnoxious, they cling onto buisness models no matter how onboxious they are | Jul 07 23:04 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: they did, but it's easier to use if the codecs are built-in | Jul 07 23:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @copiesofcopies great post nevertheless, it offers some very useful insights | Jul 07 23:06 | |
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| schestowitz | DrPizza: *what* codecs? | Jul 07 23:06 |
| schestowitz | If I put grass in yoruy lunch box you might eat it before you starve | Jul 07 23:06 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't mean there's "market demand/" for it | Jul 07 23:06 |
| DrPizza | ??? | Jul 07 23:06 |
| ThistleWeb | easier to use file formats if they're preinstalled, totally, that's why Microsoft are going out of their way to avoid odf | Jul 07 23:07 |
| DrPizza | dude, take a look at high-def TV shows and movie rips | Jul 07 23:07 |
| DrPizza | look at torrentz.com | Jul 07 23:07 |
| DrPizza | look at what codecs the high-def rips use | Jul 07 23:07 |
| DrPizza | it's all h.264 | Jul 07 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Sure, having something included it helpful, but why MPEG-LA Trojan? | Jul 07 23:07 |
| DrPizza | usually created with x264, because it's the best | Jul 07 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Your question/situation was described inanely | Jul 07 23:07 |
| schestowitz | You leap from non-related things | Jul 07 23:08 |
| schestowitz | "Narture is complex, therefore God did it" | Jul 07 23:08 |
| DrPizza | so you'd rather promote some kind of weird conspiracy theory rather than the rather simple rationale that MS includes h.264 playback support because there's lots of h.264 video that people want to play back | Jul 07 23:08 |
| schestowitz | "People need a code, therefore MPEG is the best codec" | Jul 07 23:08 |
| DrPizza | no | Jul 07 23:08 |
| schestowitz | It's faulty logic | Jul 07 23:08 |
| DrPizza | people are already using x264 to encode their rips | Jul 07 23:08 |
| DrPizza | have been doing so for years | Jul 07 23:08 |
| schestowitz | It can add webm support | Jul 07 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Why doesn't it? | Jul 07 23:09 |
| schestowitz | It's free | Jul 07 23:09 |
| schestowitz | !google explorer webm removed | Jul 07 23:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Google delivers WebM plug-in for Internet Explorer 9 | WinRumors | http://www.winrumors.com/google-delivers-webm-plug-in-for-internet-explorer-9/ | Jul 07 23:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Where are Visited Links Stored? | http://www.tech-faq.com/where-are-visited-links-stored.html | Jul 07 23:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Java Evangelist John Yeary's Blog: Internet Explorer 8 and XHTML ... | http://javaevangelist.blogspot.com/2011/06/internet-explorer-8-and-xhtml-comments.html | Jul 07 23:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Internet Explorer 9 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_9 | Jul 07 23:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Democracy.... What is influence? Every 5 years vote or daily pressure from global crooked business? | Jul 07 23:09 | |
| DrPizza | zero demand, patent liability | Jul 07 23:09 |
| schestowitz | !gogole zero demand silverlight | Jul 07 23:10 |
| schestowitz | !google zero demand silverlight | Jul 07 23:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Application Structure | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc838120(v%3Dvs.95).aspx | Jul 07 23:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - 0 Comments - ReadWriteWeb | http://www.readwriteweb.com/hack/2011/05/free-e-books-on-c.php | Jul 07 23:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - On-demand loading of assemblies with Silverlight Navigation ... | http://www.davidpoll.com/2009/07/20/on-demand-loading-of-assemblies-with-silverlight-navigation/ | Jul 07 23:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - linq - Entity Framework 3.5 - How to load children - Stack Overflow | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1374683/entity-framework-3-5-how-to-load-children | Jul 07 23:10 |
| schestowitz | !google patrnt liability mpeg-la | Jul 07 23:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - MPEG-LA Considering Patent Pool for VP8/WebM - John Paczkowski ... | http://allthingsd.com/20100520/googles-royalty-free-webm-video-may-not-be-royalty-free-for-long/ | Jul 07 23:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - MPEG LA Taking Aim at Google's VP8 Video Codec - John Paczkowski ... | http://allthingsd.com/20110211/mpeg-la-coming-after-googles-vp8-video-codec/ | Jul 07 23:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Google's VP8/WebM may face patent fight as Apple-backed MPEG-LA ... | http://macdailynews.com/2010/05/21/googles_vp8_webm_may_face_patent_fight_as_apple_backed_mpeg_la_considers_pa/ | Jul 07 23:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - For Immediate Release - MPEG LA | http://www.mpegla.com/Lists/MPEG%2520LA%2520News%2520List/Attachments/209/n_09_02_02_avc.pdf | Jul 07 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Riddle me this, Peter | Jul 07 23:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] RT @hesa @kirschner Open Hardware at FSCONS 2010: http://fscons.org/2010/embedded/open-hardware-repository | Jul 07 23:11 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Open Hardware Repository | fscons.org .::. Size~: 14.7 KB | Jul 07 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft seems to have no problem with embedded patent-encumbered stuff with zero demand if it's beneficial to Microsoft, not the users | Jul 07 23:11 |
| DrPizza | such as? | Jul 07 23:11 |
| schestowitz | And it also removed WebM support when Google adds it | Jul 07 23:11 |
| DrPizza | removed WebM? | Jul 07 23:11 |
| DrPizza | from what? | Jul 07 23:11 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: Silver Lie with codecs | Jul 07 23:11 |
| DrPizza | ??? | Jul 07 23:11 |
| DrPizza | Silverlight never included WebM | Jul 07 23:12 |
| schestowitz | ANd Novell with Moon Lie | Jul 07 23:12 |
| DrPizza | and isn't bundled with Windows | Jul 07 23:12 |
| DrPizza | so... | Jul 07 23:12 |
| schestowitz | and codec traps | Jul 07 23:12 |
| schestowitz | And unacceptable EULA | Jul 07 23:12 |
| DrPizza | s'funny | Jul 07 23:12 |
| schestowitz | !google groklaw silverlight | Jul 07 23:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Speaking of So-called 'Conspiracy Theories' and 'Coincidences ... | http://techrights.org/2008/01/07/conspiracy-theories-linux-proxy/ | Jul 07 23:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Silverlight - Interop Wiki Project | http://interopwikiproject.com/documentation:silverlight/comments/show | Jul 07 23:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - The End of an Era: PJ To Stop Updating Groklaw | Linux | http://linux.sys-con.com/node/1786955 | Jul 07 23:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft Silverlight Wiki | http://microsoft-silverlight.software.informer.com/wiki/ | Jul 07 23:12 |
| DrPizza | hundreds of millions of people have accepted it | Jul 07 23:12 |
| DrPizza | so it can't be that unacceptable | Jul 07 23:12 |
| MinceR | hundreds of millions of people have not read it | Jul 07 23:12 |
| schestowitz | !google groklaw kuhn moonlight | Jul 07 23:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Moonlight « mono-nono | http://mono-nono.com/tag/moonlight/ | Jul 07 23:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Moonlight « mono-nono | http://mono-nono.com/category/moonlight/ | Jul 07 23:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - mono « mono-nono | http://mono-nono.com/category/mono/ | Jul 07 23:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Fake Friends of Linux or Software Freedom | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2010/06/24/software-patents-and-lobbyists/ | Jul 07 23:12 |
| MinceR | and clicked "i accept" without reading it | Jul 07 23:12 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: no, Microsoft shoveled it onto people | Jul 07 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Using Windows as common carrier | Jul 07 23:13 |
| DrPizza | Windows doesn't include Silverlight. | Jul 07 23:13 |
| schestowitz | And by paying Novell it pushes Moon Lie | Jul 07 23:13 |
| Viper550 | trust me, Ubuntu makes me accept an MS EULA if I choose to install Wine | Jul 07 23:13 |
| schestowitz | WHich I think is dead now | Jul 07 23:13 |
| Viper550 | because somehow it wants to install those fonts too | Jul 07 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Even Xamarin doesn't touch the corpse of Moon Lie | Jul 07 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | Viper550, The EULA is for the fonts package | Jul 07 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | it only applies to the fonts | Jul 07 23:14 |
| Viper550 | I know | Jul 07 23:14 |
| Viper550 | But still | Jul 07 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | it basically says you can use and distribute them but you can't change them and they have to be in the original packaging (self extracting CAB in Portable Executable format) | Jul 07 23:15 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: what did Microsoft remove WebM support from? | Jul 07 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Google is your friend | Jul 07 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Oops, I spoke too soon | Jul 07 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Google is your enemy actually | Jul 07 23:16 |
| DrPizza | Google doesn't show Microsoft removing WebM from anything. | Jul 07 23:17 |
| DrPizza | So the question stands. | Jul 07 23:17 |
| _Goblin | wow..... still at it...... been away and managed to watch a movie....... still with the WebM... | Jul 07 23:17 |
| ThistleWeb | never underestimate the single minded devotion of a booster on a mission | Jul 07 23:18 |
| _Goblin | yep....I suppose so | Jul 07 23:18 |
| eebrah | _Goblin Not interested with tha webM debate? | Jul 07 23:18 |
| DrPizza | lol | Jul 07 23:18 |
| schestowitz | There's also this http://www.winrumors.com/microsoft-delivers-h-264-plug-in-for-chrome/ | Jul 07 23:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft delivers H.264 plug-in for Chrome | WinRumors .::. Size~: 30.49 KB | Jul 07 23:18 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: surely it'd be easy for you to name the software that MS removed WebM from? | Jul 07 23:18 |
| _Goblin | eebrah: yes...but the convo is virtually identical to the one I left before the movie......nothings changed. | Jul 07 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft trying to force Google to be polluted by patents | Jul 07 23:19 |
| DrPizza | lol | Jul 07 23:19 |
| eebrah | _Goblin Well I'm learning stuff | Jul 07 23:19 |
| DrPizza | it's a plugin, dude, it doesn't force Google to be "polluted" by anything. | Jul 07 23:19 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: Anyway, Google has no issue with patents. If it did, it wouldn't ship MP3 support. | Jul 07 23:19 |
| _Goblin | eebrah: Oh yes, Ive learnt stuff..... if you come across someone with a differing webm opinion...just leave it.....it goes around in circles otherwise. | Jul 07 23:20 |
| schestowitz | http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2009/05/microsoft_update_quietly_insta.html | Jul 07 23:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Security Fix - Microsoft Update Quietly Installs Firefox Extension .::. Size~: 87.14 KB | Jul 07 23:20 |
| eebrah | _Goblin: :D | Jul 07 23:20 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: yeah uh, neither of these things remove Web< | Jul 07 23:20 |
| DrPizza | WebM | Jul 07 23:20 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft responded to Google’s move by delivering its own H.264 plug-in for Chrome. The company also created a similar plug-in for Mozilla Firefox." | Jul 07 23:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.winrumors.com/google-delivers-webm-plug-in-for-internet-explorer-9/ | Jul 07 23:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google delivers WebM plug-in for Internet Explorer 9 | WinRumors .::. Size~: 35.23 KB | Jul 07 23:21 |
| DrPizza | yes... | Jul 07 23:21 |
| _Goblin | ThistleWeb: I'll pm you tomorrow.....popping down town whilst at work.....I'll mail you from the phone. | Jul 07 23:21 |
| ThistleWeb | cool | Jul 07 23:22 |
| _Goblin | I'm hoping I can pick a temp one up directly. | Jul 07 23:22 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: in what universe is "adding support for H.264" the same as "removing support for WebM"? | Jul 07 23:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/13/microsoft-mocks-google-likens-webm-to-failed-esperanto-language/ | Jul 07 23:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft mocks Google, likens WebM to failed Esperanto language -- Engadget .::. Size~: 61.18 KB | Jul 07 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Oh, DrPizza wrote about it http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/02/microsoft-offers-h264-plugin-for-chrome-queries-google-on-webm.ars | Jul 07 23:23 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: 3rd space.......located outside of Hyperspace.... | Jul 07 23:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft offers H.264 plug-in for Chrome, queries Google on WebM .::. Size~: 34.96 KB | Jul 07 23:23 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: Sorry that was supposed to go to DrPizza | Jul 07 23:23 |
| schestowitz | 'The first of these concerns is perhaps the most substantial: though Google insists that WebM is "open"' | Jul 07 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Ah.. | Jul 07 23:24 |
| schestowitz | The FUD stays consistent | Jul 07 23:24 |
| schestowitz | And it all comes from Redmond | Jul 07 23:24 |
| schestowitz | That's the source of DrPizza's claims | Jul 07 23:24 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: still waiting for you to show what MS removed WebM from | Jul 07 23:24 |
| schestowitz | !google "microsoft apologizes" | Jul 07 23:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft Apologizes for Racially Charged Image Alteration | PCWorld | http://www.pcworld.com/article/170820/microsoft_apologizes_for_racially_charged_image_alteration.html | Jul 07 23:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft apologizes for race-swap photo incident | Beyond Binary ... | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10317763-56.html | Jul 07 23:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Microsoft Apologizes for Photoshop Trainwreck | http://mashable.com/2009/08/26/microsoft-photoshop-trainwreck/ | Jul 07 23:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft apologizes for gaffe in online ad - CNN | http://articles.cnn.com/2009-08-26/tech/microsoft.ad.gaffe_1_microsoft-spokesman-swap-gaffe%3F_s%3DPM:TECH | Jul 07 23:24 |
| DrPizza | nope, none of them | Jul 07 23:25 |
| DrPizza | funny that. | Jul 07 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Oh, it was restored to their specs in March http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Microsoft-Updates-IE9-HTML5-Video-with-WebM-Support-213252/ | Jul 07 23:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Updates IE9 HTML5 Video with WebM Support - Application Development - News & Reviews - eWeek.com .::. Size~: 109.25 KB | Jul 07 23:26 |
| schestowitz | I'd take it back then, they fixed it | Jul 07 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Those bastards along with Apple and Nokia (former MS staff) lobbied for removal of free codecs from HTML5 | Jul 07 23:27 |
| DrPizza | what do you mean, "fixed it"? | Jul 07 23:27 |
| schestowitz | they gave in | Jul 07 23:28 |
| schestowitz | So.. | Jul 07 23:28 |
| schestowitz | They too contradict you in a way | Jul 07 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Apparently this "proprietary" WebM you speak of is good enough for them | Jul 07 23:28 |
| DrPizza | ??? | Jul 07 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Because it's ineavitable thjat they'll need it | Jul 07 23:28 |
| DrPizza | What the hell are you talking about? | Jul 07 23:28 |
| MinceR | well, they did prevent html5 from recommending a default free codec, did they not? | Jul 07 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Even with Gogle plugins | Jul 07 23:28 |
| DrPizza | MinceR: nope | Jul 07 23:28 |
| schestowitz | And OMG those PATENTS FROM GOOGLE!!!! | Jul 07 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Does that change their story then? | Jul 07 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Your talking points, as per your Ars article, are sources from Redmond | Jul 07 23:29 |
| _Goblin | Right I'm off..... | Jul 07 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Well, Redmond now supports webm in their canvas set | Jul 07 23:29 |
| DrPizza | huh? | Jul 07 23:29 |
| *_Goblin has quit (Quit: Leaving) | Jul 07 23:29 | |
| schestowitz | So apparently you're more zealous than Redmond | Jul 07 23:29 |
| MinceR | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Use_of_Ogg_formats_in_HTML5 | Jul 07 23:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden | Jul 07 23:29 |
| MinceR | yes they did | Jul 07 23:29 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: huh? | Jul 07 23:29 |
| DrPizza | schestowitz: What are you even talking about? | Jul 07 23:30 |
| schestowitz | DrPizza: get over it | Jul 07 23:30 |
| DrPizza | Get over what? | Jul 07 23:30 |
| schestowitz | The party line at Microsoft is that WebM can be implemenyed | Jul 07 23:30 |
| DrPizza | Your complete inability to make sense? | Jul 07 23:30 |
| DrPizza | ????????? | Jul 07 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Your instructions may be out of date ;-) | Jul 07 23:30 |
| DrPizza | huh? | Jul 07 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft adds webm support to IE in a sense | Jul 07 23:30 |
| schestowitz | While you claim it to be so horrible | Jul 07 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Get it now? | Jul 07 23:31 |
| schestowitz | I know you're confused | Jul 07 23:31 |
| DrPizza | IE just uses Media Foundation for its <video> support. | Jul 07 23:31 |
| schestowitz | You should be | Jul 07 23:31 |
| DrPizza | Google has released a Media Foundation codec for WebM. | Jul 07 23:31 |
| DrPizza | How do you turn that into Microsoft removing WebM support? | Jul 07 23:31 |
| schestowitz | I said they add it | Jul 07 23:31 |
| DrPizza | But they didn't add it. | Jul 07 23:31 |
| DrPizza | Google did. | Jul 07 23:31 |
| schestowitz | After the older party line of antagonising | Jul 07 23:31 |
| schestowitz | That was just a month of two before your article | Jul 07 23:32 |
| schestowitz | where you rephrase Microosft's talking points | Jul 07 23:32 |
| DrPizza | Huh? | Jul 07 23:32 |
| DrPizza | I think you're confused. | Jul 07 23:33 |
| DrPizza | It's Google who removed support for a codec. | Jul 07 23:33 |
| DrPizza | Not Microsoft. | Jul 07 23:33 |
| DrPizza | Google removed H.264 from Chrome. | Jul 07 23:33 |
| DrPizza | Microsoft never removed WebM from anything. | Jul 07 23:33 |
| schestowitz | "In a March 16 blog post, Dean Hachamovitch, Microsoft’s corporate vice president for Internet Explorer, discussed the HTML5 video format support and encourages users to try out the new WebM capability at the IE Test Drive site." | Jul 07 23:33 |
| schestowitz | '“With the WebM Project’s release of WebM Components for IE9 (Preview), Windows customers running IE9 can play WebM videos in Web pages,” Hachamovitch said. “IE9 is the only browser today committed to supporting both formats directly.”' | Jul 07 23:33 |
| DrPizza | Yes... | Jul 07 23:33 |
| DrPizza | WebM Project... | Jul 07 23:33 |
| DrPizza | not MIcrosoft | Jul 07 23:33 |
| DrPizza | WebM Project is (primarily) Google | Jul 07 23:33 |
| DrPizza | I'm still confused. How does that constitute Microsoft removing support? | Jul 07 23:34 |
| schestowitz | rejecting support | Jul 07 23:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @hesa @kirschner Open Hardware at FSCONS 2010: http://fscons.org/2010/embedded/open-hardware-repository | Jul 07 23:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Feel like writing a post on nairo.biz. | Jul 07 23:36 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Open Hardware Repository | fscons.org .::. Size~: 14.7 KB | Jul 07 23:36 |
| DrPizza | <schestowitz> And it also removed WebM support when Google adds it | Jul 07 23:36 |
| DrPizza | What WebM support did Microsoft remove? | Jul 07 23:37 |
| DrPizza | From what/ | Jul 07 23:37 |
| schestowitz | rejected is the better term | Jul 07 23:38 |
| schestowitz | and in 2008 ogg was removed | Jul 07 23:38 |
| schestowitz | By a former Microsoft staff and Apple | Jul 07 23:38 |
| DrPizza | From what? | Jul 07 23:38 |
| schestowitz | or any free codec for that matter | Jul 07 23:38 |
| schestowitz | And they left <video> naked, no former specified | Jul 07 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Fr0om HTML5 draft | Jul 07 23:39 |
| schestowitz | !google nokia apple html5 ogg | Jul 07 23:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Removal of Ogg Vorbis and Theora from HTML5: an outrageous ... | http://rudd-o.com/en/monopolies-of-the-mind/removal-of-ogg-vorbis-and-theora-from-html5-an-outrageous-disaster | Jul 07 23:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Use of Ogg formats in HTML5 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_Ogg_formats_in_HTML5 | Jul 07 23:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - HTML5 Working Group Rejects Open Media Formats » SitePoint | http://www.sitepoint.com/html5-working-group-rejects-open-media-formats/ | Jul 07 23:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Ogg Vorbis / Theora Language Removed From HTML5 Spec - Slashdot | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl%3Fsid%3D07/12/11/1339251 | Jul 07 23:39 |
| DrPizza | <img> doesn't specify a format either | Jul 07 23:39 |
| schestowitz | html5 makes recommendations | Jul 07 23:40 |
| schestowitz | sure, plug it in your random format | Jul 07 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't mean browsers will render it... | Jul 07 23:40 |
| DrPizza | doesn't mean they won't, though. | Jul 07 23:40 |
| schestowitz | !google tim berners patents twitter schestowitz | Jul 07 23:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - New Push for Software Patents in Europe (Innovation Union) While ... | http://techrights.org/2010/11/28/innovation-union-and-timbl-on-frand/ | Jul 07 23:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Tim Berners-Lee: “Software Patents Are a Terrible Thing” | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2009/12/02/timbl-on-swpats-eu-centralisation/ | Jul 07 23:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Exclusive: Microsoft Patent Schemes Nobody Knows About | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/05/13/altitude-capital-partners-revisited/ | Jul 07 23:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - jonas bosson (bosson) on Twitter | http://twitter.com/bosson | Jul 07 23:40 |
| DrPizza | They supported the proprietary GIF, after all. | Jul 07 23:40 |
| schestowitz | which was unwise | Jul 07 23:41 |
| schestowitz | !google gif unisys patents | Jul 07 23:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Graphics Interchange Format - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Interchange_Format | Jul 07 23:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - no gifs due to patent problems - The GNU Operating System | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/gif.html | Jul 07 23:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - GIF is NOW finally free - for real, with a final Unisys joke | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/gif_now_finally_free | Jul 07 23:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - The GIF Controversy: A Software Developer's Perspective (lzw.info) | http://www.cloanto.com/users/mcb/19950127giflzw.html | Jul 07 23:41 |
| DrPizza | I'm well aware of its patent situation, that's why I explicitly mentioned it. | Jul 07 23:42 |
| DrPizza | GIF's patent situation was arguably worse than H.264's | Jul 07 23:42 |
| DrPizza | since unlike H.264, there was no commitment to RAND licensing, even. | Jul 07 23:42 |
| DrPizza | Unisys could do whatever they like.d | Jul 07 23:42 |
| DrPizza | And yet | Jul 07 23:42 |
| DrPizza | people implemented it | Jul 07 23:42 |
| DrPizza | people used it | Jul 07 23:42 |
| DrPizza | the Web didn't die | Jul 07 23:42 |
| DrPizza | life went on | Jul 07 23:42 |
| MinceR | microsoft is not unisis | Jul 07 23:45 |
| MinceR | s/sis/sys/ | Jul 07 23:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] oooh shiny! @telecomix in #guardian ur1.ca/4nrt0 :) <3 #datalove | Jul 07 23:47 | |
| DaemonFC | RAND just guarantees what the taxation will be | Jul 07 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | and it doesn't even do that | Jul 07 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | there could always be trolls that have patents that are not part of that pool | Jul 07 23:48 |
| DrPizza | DaemonFC: it doesn't set the level, but it does say that it's got to be "reasonable" (whatever that means) and more importantly, non-discriminatory | Jul 07 23:48 |
| DrPizza | DaemonFC: sure, but that's always a risk | Jul 07 23:48 |
| DrPizza | DaemonFC: that risk applies to WebM, after all | Jul 07 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | well, if I'm paying $50,000 for a license | Jul 07 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like some guarantees I won't just be sued anyway | Jul 07 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 07 23:48 |
| DrPizza | DaemonFC: well, it guarantees you won't be sued by anyone in the patent poo | Jul 07 23:49 |
| DrPizza | l | Jul 07 23:49 |
| DrPizza | which is a (small) start | Jul 07 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, when did we start entertaining patent lobbyists? | Jul 07 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | can I throw it peanuts? | Jul 07 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 07 23:49 |
| DrPizza | I'm still waiting for schestowitz to explain where Microsoft removed WebM. | Jul 07 23:50 |
| DrPizza | Maybe schestowitz is still digging up that link for me | Jul 07 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | IE allows it if you have the codec installed | Jul 07 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | if they didn't do at least that much, they'd be in trouble somewhere | Jul 07 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | either sued or fined | Jul 07 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | they give it the least amount of support they can get by with | Jul 07 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | while encouraging use of cartel codecs | Jul 07 23:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Previewing AMO’s New Look http://blog.mozilla.com/addons/2011/07/07/previewing-amos-new-look/ | Jul 07 23:54 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Previewing AMO’s New Look | Mozilla Add-ons Blog .::. Size~: 16.95 KB | Jul 07 23:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Oracle ships Java 7 RC (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/rhHxpw | Jul 07 23:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #GNOME developer quote of the day http://is.gd/EKncCp "We're not developing Gnome for people who...?" | Jul 07 23:59 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Oracle ships Java 7 RC | Application Development - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 85.97 KB | Jul 07 23:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: GNOME developer quote of the day | Welt Weit Wickert .::. Size~: 138.25 KB | Jul 07 23:59 |
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