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| activelow | another solution, i will increase framebuffer color depth to 32bit (instead of 16) which inreases memory consumption and is slower, without any visual benefit anywhere, aha | Oct 02 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC | I might just remove the DEB version of LibreOffice and install the Flatpak. | Oct 02 00:26 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/21092432 | Oct 02 00:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5879559) | Oct 02 00:27 | |
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| techrights-news | #mozilla " #Firefox making more controversial decisions" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KxyVC4zE1Qo | Oct 02 00:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Anti-cheat works on Linux, Firefox stumbles again, and HDR support - Linux news - September 2021 - Invidious | Oct 02 00:48 | |
| techrights-news | #Mozilla does not mention the awful tragedy of #outsourcing to to #proprietarysoftware of #Microsoft , an attack on the Web itself https://hacks.mozilla.org/2021/10/mdn-web-docs-at-write-the-docs-prague-2021/ | Oct 02 00:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hacks.mozilla.org | MDN Web Docs at Write the Docs Prague 2021 - Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog | Oct 02 00:48 | |
| techrights-news | #Mozilla spends money on #politics and #lobbying while firing actual engineers https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2021/10/01/addressing-gender-based-online-harms-in-the-dsa/ | Oct 02 00:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Addressing gender-based online harms in the DSA - Open Policy & Advocacy | Oct 02 00:49 | |
| techrights-news | #mozilla wants your passwords. Should you trust it? (No.) https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/news/superhero-passwords-may-be-your-kryptonite-wherever-you-go-online/ | Oct 02 00:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Superhero passwords may be your kryptonite wherever you go online | Oct 02 00:49 | |
| techrights-news | What on Earth does this have to do with #mozilla and/or #Firefox h https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/best-tweets-miracle-whip-finstas-internationalpodcastday-freebritney-oct-1/ | Oct 02 00:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Miracle Whip, Finstas, #InternationalPodcastDay, and #FreeBritney all made the Top Shelf this week | Oct 02 00:51 | |
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| techrights-news | "Kylie Broderick, teaching assistant at the University of North Carolina, has published criticism of Israel's treatment of Palestinians. An Israeli diplomat, and a US congresscritter, both pressured the university to remove her from teaching." https://stallman.org/archives/2021-jul-oct.html#1_October_2021_%28Criticism_of_Israel%29 | Oct 02 00:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2021: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman | Oct 02 00:53 | |
| techrights-news | #microsoft #astroturfing groups recycled: http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/10/not-class-act-so-called-app-association.html see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Association_for_Competitive_Technology | Oct 02 00:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Not a class ACT: the so-called App Association is simply an Apple Association and does NOT represent app developers' interests in fair distribution terms | Oct 02 00:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Association for Competitive Technology - Techrights | Oct 02 00:54 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: https://windowsreport.com/windows-11-wsl-2-versus-ubuntu-21-10-performance/ | Oct 02 00:54 |
| schestowitz | famous at least | Oct 02 00:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-windowsreport.com | Windows 11 WSL 2 versus Ubuntu 21.10 performance | Oct 02 00:54 | |
| schestowitz | Michael @ Microsoft | Oct 02 00:54 |
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| techrights-news | Older: #microsoft #astroturfing https://www.kidonip.com/frightful-five/on-deceptive-apps-and-practices-unmasking-the-act-apple-association/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Association_for_Competitive_Technology | Oct 02 00:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kidonip.com | On Deceptive Apps and Practices: Unmasking the ACT App(le) Association - KIDON IP | Oct 02 00:56 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Linux 5.10.70 is incoming to Debian. | Oct 02 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | Parts of it are in proposed. | Oct 02 00:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | which debian? 11? 12? | Oct 02 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | 11 | Oct 02 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | So 5.10.46 through 5.10.70 would be the jump | Oct 02 00:58 |
| XRevan86 | https://nitter.eu/IPngNetworks/status/1443909285357006848 at least that's not Joseon.kr's fault. Not sure what's going on for them but my guess is an old version of OpenSSL. | Oct 02 01:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.eu | IPng Networks (@IPngNetworks): "@letsencrypt DST Root CA X3 expired. We all knew this was going to happen. It's OK, I don't really need Freenode =)" | nitter | Oct 02 01:00 | |
| XRevan86 | https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/10/01/she-absconded-from-the-investigation the police pretty much just let her go. | Oct 02 01:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Oct 02 01:02 | |
| XRevan86 | https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/10/01/the-wave-after-the-wave the new normal | Oct 02 01:02 |
| MinceR | [to Cindy after dropping Sully off a cliff] I let him go. | Oct 02 01:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Oct 02 01:02 | |
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| XRevan86 | Detention is for the opposition. | Oct 02 01:03 |
| XRevan86 | gotta make room | Oct 02 01:03 |
| techrights-news | "I've written up a proposal for the comp.infosystems.gemini #newsgroup here: https://www.big-8.org/wiki/Comp.infosystems.gemini_RFD. If this is OK with everyone" https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007245.html | Oct 02 01:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.big-8.org | Comp.infosystems.gemini RFD - Usenet Big-8 Management Board | Oct 02 01:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Gemini Newsgroup RFD | Oct 02 01:06 | |
| techrights-news | "I expected to find a link to a video showing the boat, but I don't see one in the article. Have the protesters posted a video in a place it could be accessed without running nonfree Javascript code? If so, I would like to link to it." https://stallman.org/archives/2021-jul-oct.html#1_October_2021_%28Protest_at_Manchin%27s_boat%29 | Oct 02 01:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2021: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman | Oct 02 01:06 | |
| DaemonFC | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/bullseye-proposed-updates/linux_5.10.70-1_amd64-buildd.changes | Oct 02 01:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Missing content type. Ignoring. | Oct 02 01:09 | |
| DaemonFC | - iwlwifi: follow the new inclusive terminology | Oct 02 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, ^ | Oct 02 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | It doesn't work, but it's less offensive to mjg59_ | Oct 02 01:09 |
| techrights-news | The person who wrote it receives his salary from #Google via #Mozilla https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/google-privacy-budget-analysis/ | Oct 02 01:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Analysis of Google’s Privacy Budget Proposal | Oct 02 01:11 | |
| DaemonFC | https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/commit/?id=3d4f9c00492b4e21641e5140a5e78cb50b58d60b | Oct 02 01:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.kernel.org | kernel/git/stable/linux.git - Linux kernel stable tree | Oct 02 01:11 | |
| kingoffrance | https://lore.kernel.org/all/20210913131107.189531291@linuxfoundation.org/ has it | Oct 02 01:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lore.kernel.org | [PATCH 5.10 200/236] iwlwifi: follow the new inclusive terminology - Greg Kroah-Hartman | Oct 02 01:11 | |
| schestowitz-TR | google and politeness are opposites | Oct 02 01:11 |
| kingoffrance | blacklist -> block list whitelist -> pass list | Oct 02 01:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | same for Google and security | Oct 02 01:12 |
| kingoffrance | master -> leader slave -> follower | Oct 02 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/commit/?id=39bc74ca0119025e3cc24b97ebd964b5c605aa83 | Oct 02 01:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.kernel.org | kernel/git/stable/linux.git - Linux kernel stable tree | Oct 02 01:12 | |
| schestowitz-TR | kingoffrance: I have 7000 slaves in Twitter | Oct 02 01:12 |
| kingoffrance | i had to search it to see wth it was lol | Oct 02 01:12 |
| kingoffrance | lol | Oct 02 01:12 |
| kingoffrance | nice | Oct 02 01:12 |
| techrights-news | #Ubuntu 21.10 Install Guide – Impish Indri https://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2021/ubuntu-21-10-install-guide/ #gnu #linux | Oct 02 01:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.if-not-true-then-false.com | Ubuntu 21.10 Install Guide – Impish Indri – If Not True Then False | Oct 02 01:12 | |
| XRevan86 | petition to rename blackmarket to undermarket | Oct 02 01:13 |
| techrights-news | Bits related to Alpine Security Initiatives in September https://ariadne.space/2021/10/01/bits-related-to-alpine-security-initiatives-in-september/ #alpineLinux #security #gnu #linux | Oct 02 01:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ariadne.space | Bits related to Alpine Security Initiatives in September – Ariadne's Space | Oct 02 01:13 | |
| schestowitz-TR | XRevan86: tell that to the blacksmith | Oct 02 01:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | will smith | Oct 02 01:13 |
| techrights-news | Maintenance release: Godot 3.3.4 https://godotengine.org/article/maintenance-release-godot-3-3-4 #godotengine #games #freesw #deletegithub | Oct 02 01:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-godotengine.org | Godot Engine - Maintenance release: Godot 3.3.4 | Oct 02 01:14 | |
| XRevan86 | ironsmith | Oct 02 01:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | ironic, innit? | Oct 02 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | Intel developers writing this fucking crap that doesn't work while singling Lesbian Seagulls from Beavis and Butthead Do America. | Oct 02 01:14 |
| kingoffrance | on that one #define IWL_TAS_BLACK_LIST_MAX 16 looks like they kept some, didnt want to mess with defines? who knows | Oct 02 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | All because of the SJWs. | Oct 02 01:14 |
| XRevan86 | metallic | Oct 02 01:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: nobody was talking about these issues | Oct 02 01:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | because, IME, messing was code didn't have enough merit | Oct 02 01:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | now they're provoked many coders | Oct 02 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | " - iwlwifi Add support for ax201 in Samsung Galaxy Book Flex2 Alpha | Oct 02 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | " | Oct 02 01:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | who don't wish to risk breaking their code | Oct 02 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, This comes close to being relevant to me. | Oct 02 01:15 |
| schestowitz-TR | which happens BTW | Oct 02 01:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | event variable names | Oct 02 01:16 |
| techrights-news | This happens on a much grander scale due to #Microsoft https://threatpost.com/babys-death-linked-ransomware/175232/ see http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/ | Oct 02 01:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Baby's Death Alleged to Be Linked to Ransomware | Threatpost | Oct 02 01:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights | Oct 02 01:16 | |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▄▅▃▂▅▃▄▃▃▄▇▅▃▃▄▆▄▅▅▃▇▅▇▆▆▃▆▄▅▄▆▅▄▁ avg(k/sec) 23.73 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▂▂▁▃▁▁▂▂▁▂▁▁▂▂▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 4.75▕ swarm size (avg): 257.68 ⟲ | Oct 02 01:16 |
| DaemonFC | There's about a dozen iwlwifi-related patches coming soon. | Oct 02 01:16 |
| techrights-news | #microsoft kills https://www.wsj.com/articles/ransomware-hackers-hospital-first-alleged-death-11633008116 see http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/ | Oct 02 01:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Hospital Hit by Hackers, a Baby in Distress: The Case of the First Alleged Ransomware Death - WSJ | Oct 02 01:16 | |
| techrights-news | Today I installed a gemini client on one more machines. This is great. I'm loving it. Simple with good s/n ratio. | Oct 02 01:17 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: did you move 2 laptops to debian 11? | Oct 02 01:18 |
| techrights-news | #Thinstation 6.2.12 is released but needs to #deletegithub http://www.thinstation.org/ #microsoft #proprietarysoftware http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github | Oct 02 01:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thinstation.org | ThinStation by Donald A. Cupp Jr. | Oct 02 01:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights | Oct 02 01:19 | |
| techrights-news | Wine, Windows programs, and gaming on Debian GNU/Linux. The XBOX 360 controller is “just working” now! https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/01/wine-windows-programs-and-gaming-on-debian-gnu-linux-the-xbox-360-controller-is-just-working-now/ #debian #gnu #linux #games | Oct 02 01:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Wine, Windows programs, and gaming on Debian GNU/Linux. The XBOX 360 controller is “just working” now! – BaronHK's Rants | Oct 02 01:20 | |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: you can do Felta's next | Oct 02 01:20 |
| techrights-news | How many still use OpenOffice instead of LibreOffice? https://medium.com/csg-govtech/all-your-d-base-are-belong-to-us-part-1-code-execution-in-apache-openoffice-cve-2021-33035-767fc7d6daf7 | Oct 02 01:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-All Your (d)Base Are Belong To Us, Part 1: Code Execution in Apache OpenOffice (CVE-2021–33035) | by Eugene Lim | CSG @ GovTech | Sep, 2021 | Medium | Oct 02 01:20 | |
| techrights-news | How many of these links are just sponsored? https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/best-vpn-for-linux/ #vpn #spam #gnu #linux | Oct 02 01:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitaltrends.com | Best VPN for Linux 2021: NordVPN, ExpressVPN, IPVanish, and More | Digital Trends | Oct 02 01:23 | |
| techrights-news | #RedHat pushing #Microsoft #ProprietarySoftware https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/sql-server-red-hat-enterprise-linux-data-platform-virtual-summit-2021 #IBM only cares about money | Oct 02 01:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | SQL Server on Red Hat Enterprise Linux at Data Platform Virtual Summit 2021 | Oct 02 01:27 | |
| MinceR | 02 021301 < XRevan86> petition to rename blackmarket to undermarket | Oct 02 01:27 |
| MinceR | underverse? | Oct 02 01:27 |
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| schestowitz-TR | there are even worse: | Oct 02 01:28 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: rhymelessverse | Oct 02 01:28 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/lame-words/ | Oct 02 01:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] It’s Crazy Not to Eliminate Lame Words That Might Offend Somebody | Techrights | Oct 02 01:28 | |
| schestowitz-TR | this is '1984' ministry of truth territories | Oct 02 01:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | where the word "silly" needs to be purged | Oct 02 01:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | because no matter how it is used, someone might feel offended | Oct 02 01:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | no matter the context | Oct 02 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | <schestowitz-TR> DaemonFC: did you move 2 laptops to debian 11? | Oct 02 01:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | silly proposals | Oct 02 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I wanted to mess with it a bit on a less important system first. | Oct 02 01:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | good | Oct 02 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | So I installed it on my older laptop. | Oct 02 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | It replaced Fedora 34 on that one. | Oct 02 01:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | I like the blog posts | Oct 02 01:30 |
| techrights-news | xkcd: Endangered ⚓ https://xkcd.com/2523/ ䷉ #xkcd #humour | Oct 02 01:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Endangered | Oct 02 01:30 | |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: debian 10 was on rianne's laptop first, then she put it on mine. I was surprised by how much tinkering you did, as it worked for both of us out of the box completely | Oct 02 01:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | only missing bits might be... IF you do not add the wifi blob at install time | Oct 02 01:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | those were removed to appease the FSF some years ago | Oct 02 01:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | but a USB stick makes it easy to add them while installing | Oct 02 01:32 |
| techrights-news | 'Smart' as in #spy https://www.maketecheasier.com/review/ecolor-smart-moon-lamp/ | Oct 02 01:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | ECOLOR Smart Moon Lamp Review: Smart Mood Lighting - Make Tech Easier | Oct 02 01:32 | |
| techrights-news | A First Look At #Q4OS 4.6 With The Plasma Desktop - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_5N3wqKdvDo ䷉ #video #invidious | Oct 02 01:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | A First Look At Q4OS 4.6 With The Plasma Desktop - Invidious | Oct 02 01:33 | |
| XRevan86 | Somewhere out there in the vastness of cosmos there are pitch-dark holes. | Oct 02 01:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | I wonder what Neil deGrass Tyson would say | Oct 02 01:34 |
| activelow | installed some debian onto an old laptop ... powered off since july | Oct 02 01:34 |
| activelow | debian is considered conservative, not conservative enough for me | Oct 02 01:34 |
| schestowitz-TR | learning that his programmes on TV about black holes might offend blacks, according to misguided white people | Oct 02 01:34 |
| techrights-news | #Apache Month in Review: September 2021 https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/apache-month-in-review-september1 | Oct 02 01:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.apache.org | Apache Month in Review: September 2021 : The Apache Software Foundation Blog | Oct 02 01:35 | |
| activelow | schestowitz-TR: i am sceptical about the term "black hole" too, for scientific reasons | Oct 02 01:36 |
| techrights-news | Can Linux Run Windows EXE Files? ⚓ https://www.makeuseof.com/can-linux-run-windows-exe-files/ ䷉ #makeuseoftalks about WINE. Yes, it's possible, but most #freesw obviates the need for it... | Oct 02 01:36 |
| activelow | it is abused for the typical "speed of light" spook | Oct 02 01:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com | Can Linux Run Windows EXE Files? | Oct 02 01:36 | |
| MinceR | Somewhere out there in the vastness of cosmos there are deny holes. | Oct 02 01:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | they are more deny than space | Oct 02 01:37 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 02 01:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | space itself is mostly deny, esp. away from nearby stars in constellations | Oct 02 01:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe a better term is vacuum holes | Oct 02 01:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | or wormholes | Oct 02 01:38 |
| activelow | i was thinking of something else, which is some experiment to show a candle light exposed to an electromagnetic field is bend | Oct 02 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | <schestowitz-TR> DaemonFC: debian 10 was on rianne's laptop first, then she put it on mine. I was surprised by how much tinkering you did, as it worked for both of us out of the box completely | Oct 02 01:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | the connection was never racial anyway | Oct 02 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | It's a very new laptop and it's a bit glitchy. | Oct 02 01:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | connotation either | Oct 02 01:38 |
| activelow | meaning the candle light flame, a type of plasma, is bend by the electromagnetic, instead of some spook dark magic black hole | Oct 02 01:39 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: There aren't any wormes around the grav-holes. | Oct 02 01:39 |
| techrights-news | Programs and #Programming /Development • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156341 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Oct 02 01:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programs and Programming/Development | Tux Machines | Oct 02 01:39 | |
| DaemonFC | The laptop runs pretty well except the wifi if you run it in AX mode. | Oct 02 01:39 |
| activelow | ... meaning, a scientific explanation exists for light (and plasma) being shaped in the kosmos, by the influence of electromagnetic fields (invisible, outside visual range) | Oct 02 01:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | XRevan86: yes, I was thinking that too | Oct 02 01:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | but analogies | Oct 02 01:41 |
| activelow | that's why, "black hole" is irritating, when De Grasse Tyson and similar posers discuss it on tv | Oct 02 01:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | usually the visualisation of the theories around them are like tunnels | Oct 02 01:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | the metaphor of worm | Oct 02 01:41 |
| schestowitz-TR | akin to Dune | Oct 02 01:41 |
| techrights-news | Canonical: What is an [buzzword] marketplace? https://ubuntu.com//blog/what-is-an-iot-marketplace #gnu #linux | Oct 02 01:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What is an IoT marketplace? | Ubuntu | Oct 02 01:41 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It's less of a hole and more of a dense blob of mass. | Oct 02 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | Density is the defining property here. | Oct 02 01:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | is there consensus on that now? | Oct 02 01:43 |
| MinceR | it's more of a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff | Oct 02 01:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | some people said the mass might get sucked away elsewhere | Oct 02 01:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | and the subject of mystique, theories | Oct 02 01:43 |
| techrights-news | Giant Working #NERFGun Runs On Tiny #Arduino | Hackaday ⚓ https://hackaday.com/2021/10/01/giant-working-nerf-gun-runs-on-tiny-arduino/ | Oct 02 01:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Giant Working NERF Gun Runs On Tiny Arduino | Hackaday | Oct 02 01:43 | |
| techrights-news | #vaccination https://i.redd.it/3vtmg074c4p71.jpg | Oct 02 01:43 |
| schestowitz-TR | intrigue | Oct 02 01:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | among the theories you also have that nutty 'string theory' | Oct 02 01:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | was it "9 dimensions"? | Oct 02 01:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | did they settle on how many? | Oct 02 01:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | if that still a thing or did all the cranks retire by now? | Oct 02 01:44 |
| activelow | no idea where this originates | Oct 02 01:45 |
| MinceR | 10 | Oct 02 01:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | in the 9th dimension, joseon is the world's superpower | Oct 02 01:45 |
| MinceR | and it probably comes from mathematics | Oct 02 01:45 |
| activelow | the real physics is signal processing anyway, with lots of 2-dimensional osciallations visualized, which isn't strings, it is a mathematical model visualisizing some signal | Oct 02 01:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | so it's 10 dims because we have 10 fingers? | Oct 02 01:45 |
| MinceR | i.e. they have some mathematical construct that seems to describe what we know of the universe accurately | Oct 02 01:45 |
| MinceR | and then they try to make sense of it | Oct 02 01:45 |
| activelow | most trivial one: sine wave | Oct 02 01:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | god does not play decimal | Oct 02 01:46 |
| MinceR | and it's 10 dimensions because that's how the strengths of forces work out to the correct values or something like that | Oct 02 01:46 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: The densispheres are a confirmed fact, and the huge mass and density are what gives them their properties. | Oct 02 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, I think things will settle down with MOAR PATCHES! | Oct 02 01:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | XRevan86: so they're magnetmass | Oct 02 01:47 |
| MinceR | most of these dimensions are undetectable to us because they're very small, or so they say | Oct 02 01:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | less offensive to blacks and to (ass)holes | Oct 02 01:47 |
| MinceR | "fucking magnets, how do they work?" | Oct 02 01:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | "fuck the internets, me got me some magnets!" | Oct 02 01:48 |
| techrights-news | #Locked In Your Home • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156340 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #softwareFreedom #privacy | Oct 02 01:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Locked In Your Home | Tux Machines | Oct 02 01:48 | |
| schestowitz-TR | BTW, yesterday we had ~3 hours of gemini downtime | Oct 02 01:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | my router started acting up after 70 days of uptime | Oct 02 01:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | kept not one but two machines offline, refuses to assign IP addresses to them over DHCP | Oct 02 01:49 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I haven't heard of them showing any magnetism. | Oct 02 01:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | never happened before | Oct 02 01:49 |
| MinceR | i had 2 routers die so far, iirc | Oct 02 01:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | XRevan86: not electric, just gravity | Oct 02 01:50 |
| MinceR | not counting the desktop PC i used to use as a router, with coyote linux | Oct 02 01:50 |
| MinceR | which also died | Oct 02 01:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | iirc, in a supernova the planet collapses onto itself | Oct 02 01:50 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Why magnet- then? | Oct 02 01:50 |
| MinceR | iirc | Oct 02 01:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | and can turn into deny hole | Oct 02 01:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | or explode and send many heavy elements outwards | Oct 02 01:50 |
| XRevan86 | a block hole, a giant block of mass | Oct 02 01:51 |
| activelow | that's whay it is irritating me, when some pose as science, and talk about "black holes", unnecessarily; magnetic field | Oct 02 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | * dense block of mass | Oct 02 01:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | mass = hole | Oct 02 01:51 |
| activelow | same with "string theory", whatever this is; signal processing here | Oct 02 01:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | what a bunch of arsemasses | Oct 02 01:52 |
| activelow | "speed of light", it's a running gag, light has no speed property | Oct 02 01:52 |
| XRevan86 | https://memecreator.org/static/images/memes/3939283.jpg | Oct 02 01:52 |
| techrights-news | Paul E. Mc Kenney on Rusting #Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156327#comment-31234 #rustlang http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ | Oct 02 01:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Oct 02 01:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights | Oct 02 01:53 | |
| activelow | "heisenberg uncertainty", rethink this, with the sampling theorem | Oct 02 01:53 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: "light has no speed property" – what is speed? | Oct 02 01:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | what is light? | Oct 02 01:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | photons? | Oct 02 01:53 |
| activelow | light? electromagnetic *wave* | Oct 02 01:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | are photons matter?? | Oct 02 01:53 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: wut | Oct 02 01:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | some plants do turn them into matter | Oct 02 01:54 |
| activelow | XRevan86: speed typically refers to the physical unit m/s | Oct 02 01:54 |
| techrights-news | #LibreOffice on #Chromebooks and #Apache / #OpenOffice • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156339 #TuxMachines | Oct 02 01:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice on Chromebooks and Apache/OpenOffice | Tux Machines | Oct 02 01:54 | |
| XRevan86 | activelow: And when light travels through space, does it not traverse metres in fractions of a second? | Oct 02 01:55 |
| activelow | XRevan86: depends, it is "wave-mechanics" | Oct 02 01:55 |
| activelow | similar to, when a stone drops onto the water surface, the impact affacts the entire surface instantly, and waves appear across the entire surface | Oct 02 01:56 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: Waves travel at the speed of light. | Oct 02 01:56 |
| activelow | the propagation isn't any speed, it is an oscillation of the entire field (water surface) | Oct 02 01:56 |
| techrights-news | #FSF job opportunity: Outreach and communications coordinator http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156299#comment-31233 | Oct 02 01:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Foundation (FSF) Tackling Proprietary JavaScript | Tux Machines | Oct 02 01:56 | |
| XRevan86 | electromagnetic and light waves that is | Oct 02 01:56 |
| activelow | XRevan86: no they don't | Oct 02 01:56 |
| XRevan86 | They don't travel? | Oct 02 01:57 |
| techrights-news | #RedHat / #Fedora To Focus On Driving New Linux Video Improvements Around #PipeWire http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156330#comment-31232 | Oct 02 01:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PipeWire and fixing the Linux Video Capture stack | Tux Machines | Oct 02 01:57 | |
| XRevan86 | activelow: Does atmosphere not affect their speed? | Oct 02 01:57 |
| activelow | "travel" doesn't suffice to describe wave propagation, field mechanics | Oct 02 01:57 |
| XRevan86 | don't electromagnetic and light waves *slow down* in atmosphere? | Oct 02 01:57 |
| techrights-news | Audiocasts/Shows: Q4OS, LHS, an Hackaday Podcast • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156338 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Oct 02 01:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: Q4OS, LHS, an Hackaday Podcast | Tux Machines | Oct 02 01:58 | |
| activelow | XRevan86: no | Oct 02 01:58 |
| activelow | it is a common interpretation to qualify this as "speed", however this is both a misnomer, and unnecessary | Oct 02 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, I've replaced most of my desktop applications with Flatpaks. | Oct 02 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | I was like WTF when I saw the size, but it only grabs the files it needs for the applications you are getting. | Oct 02 01:59 |
| MinceR | 02 025357 < schestowitz-TR> are photons matter?? | Oct 02 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | So it's actually not so bad. | Oct 02 01:59 |
| MinceR | no, they're bosons | Oct 02 01:59 |
| activelow | at a prism, light is defracted dependeing on spectral components, and the defraction of light at a prism depends on the frequency (not speed) | Oct 02 01:59 |
| techrights-news | #Games : #Debian GNU/Linux Experience, Godot 3.3.4, and Steam • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156337 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Oct 02 02:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Debian GNU/Linux Experience, Godot 3.3.4, and Steam | Tux Machines | Oct 02 02:00 | |
| activelow | maybe when physics scientists measure some signal of a particular shape then they name it as boson or whatever | Oct 02 02:00 |
| techrights-news | #LLVM 13.0.0 Released, Work on LLVM 14.0.0 Starts • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156336 #program,ing #TuxMachines | Oct 02 02:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LLVM 13.0.0 Released, Work on LLVM 14.0.0 Starts | Tux Machines | Oct 02 02:00 | |
| schestowitz-TR | activelow: after the person :-) | Oct 02 02:01 |
| activelow | for me it is a signal of an electromagnetic wave/field, at whatever scale (macroscopic with huge radio antennas or microscopic when spectra is measured of chemical compounds) | Oct 02 02:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe that's why "black hole" | Oct 02 02:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | tribute to one person who researches them | Oct 02 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, Google "AI" wrote an episode of Stargate SG-1. | Oct 02 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | The actors are coming back to do the script. | Oct 02 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, ^ | Oct 02 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | They are kind of formulaic. | Oct 02 02:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | Higg's | Oct 02 02:02 |
| MinceR | are they? | Oct 02 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Peter Higgs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson | Oct 02 02:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Higgs boson - Wikipedia | Oct 02 02:03 | |
| schestowitz-TR | we already call stars after people | Oct 02 02:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe start branding words | Oct 02 02:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | 2 newtons | Oct 02 02:03 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: 2 newtons of force where? | Oct 02 02:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | calvins | Oct 02 02:04 |
| techrights-news | #System76 readies high-end Oryx Pro #GNU #Linux laptops with Tiger Lake-H processor and Nvidia RTX dGPU options http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156220#comment-31230 | Oct 02 02:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | System76 Announces Return Of Oryx Pro Linux Laptop With A Crucial Upgrade | Tux Machines | Oct 02 02:04 | |
| schestowitz-TR | linux | Oct 02 02:04 |
| techrights-news | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156335 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Oct 02 02:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Oct 02 02:05 | |
| techrights-news | Sounds like a pretty malicious phone thst lets the government remotely record and watch you when 'misused' (it's already happening, but spun as a 'feature' and 'safety') https://liliputing.com/2021/10/emergency-sos-for-pixel-phones-can-record-videos-call-emergency-services-and-alert-your-contacts.html | Oct 02 02:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Emergency SOS for Pixel phones can record videos, call emergency services and alert your contacts - Liliputing | Oct 02 02:07 | |
| techrights-news | #Chihuahua -sized robot dog developed http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156319#comment-31229 #gnu #linux onboard | Oct 02 02:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Meet Mini Pupper: the Robot Dog That Is Just as Smart as a Border Collie | Tux Machines | Oct 02 02:08 | |
| techrights-news | #Django #Diabetes : a self-hosted Personal Glucose Manager https://medevel.com/django-diabetes/ #python | Oct 02 02:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medevel.com | Django Diabetes: a self-hosted Personal Glucose Manager | Oct 02 02:09 | |
| techrights-news | Discover the three major #CentOS clones https://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/tip/Discover-the-three-major-CentOS-clones more like #rhel clones. #redhat #gnu #linux | Oct 02 02:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searchdatacenter.techtarget.com | Discover the three major CentOS clones | Oct 02 02:09 | |
| techrights-news | Flaw In #AMD Platform Security Processor Affects Millions Of Computers | Hackaday ⚓ https://hackaday.com/2021/10/01/flaw-in-amd-platform-security-processor-affects-millions-of-computers/ ䷉ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/10/02/#latest | Oct 02 02:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Flaw In AMD Platform Security Processor Affects Millions Of Computers | Hackaday | Oct 02 02:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Oct 02 02:12 | |
| techrights-news | Google Releases Security Updates for Chrome https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2021/10/01/google-releases-security-updates-chrome #ProprietarySoftware is never meant to be truly secure and people out there cannot see the defects in code (which actually makes it more risky) | Oct 02 02:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-us-cert.cisa.gov | Google Releases Security Updates for Chrome | CISA | Oct 02 02:12 | |
| DaemonFC | Anyway, I thought schestowitz-TR would get a kick out of Hey Hi Stargate. | Oct 02 02:15 |
| *XRevan86 did | Oct 02 02:15 | |
| DaemonFC | I might watch just to see what came from it. | Oct 02 02:15 |
| *XRevan86 should remember to listen to https://percona.com/community/events/mariadb-server-fest-2021 once it's out | Oct 02 02:15 | |
| DaemonFC | But there's no guarantee that a person didn't ghost write it. | Oct 02 02:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.percona.com | MariaDB Server Fest 2021 | Oct 02 02:15 | |
| *XRevan86 is curious where Percona will put the accents. | Oct 02 02:16 | |
| DaemonFC | Google would benefit from a PR coup if it's any good. | Oct 02 02:16 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▄▁▂▇▅▆▅▆▆▅▃▃▇▆▅▅▆▄▅▆▆▆▅▅▅▆▅▆▅▆▆▁ avg(k/sec) 26.25 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▁▂█▂▂▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▁▁▁▂▂▂▂▁▂▁▁▁▂▂▂▁▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 31.11▕ swarm size (avg): 257.71 ⟲ | Oct 02 02:16 |
| XRevan86 | Both MariaDB and Oracle MySQL have features that the other one doesn't. | Oct 02 02:16 |
| techrights-news | #redhat #ibm #layoff #exodus : "When you lose the hearts and minds of the best employees and producers, the company will atrophy. What a shame for what was once great company that is trying to save its way to greatness again." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1d6y5hFp#replies | Oct 02 02:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM didn't lose the cloud... - post regarding IBM layoffs | Oct 02 02:17 | |
| techrights-news | #ibm #layoffs spun as "spinoff". "Getting the USA headcount down to 8% of total worldwide employees has just been a bloodbath. NOTE its the only way to compete in the body shop business Commodity pricing" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1d6y5hFp#replies #redhat #Kyndryl | Oct 02 02:17 |
| techrights-news | 8 Big New Revelations About #IBM ’s #Kyndryl Spin-Off ⚓ https://www.crn.com/slide-shows/managed-services/8-big-new-revelations-about-ibm-s-kyndryl-spin-off ䷉ #crn #redhat | Oct 02 02:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.crn.com | 8 Big New Revelations About IBM’s Kyndryl Spin-Off | Oct 02 02:17 | |
| activelow | completely missed the mariadb fork, and oracle eating Java | Oct 02 02:19 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/21100170 | Oct 02 02:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5899883) | Oct 02 02:20 | |
| techrights-news | #redhat #ibm #layoff #exodus : "IBM didn't lose the cloud... They lost their employees. [...] They sure as he-l did. I retired early because of the continued abuse, dumping more work and taking away earning potential!!! Very sad indeed!!!" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1d6y5hFp#replies | Oct 02 02:21 |
| activelow | python in vim is decent, installed some extension, and vim notifies me with warnings in python code | Oct 02 02:21 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: The Falcon engine also didn't happen, didn't ye hear? | Oct 02 02:21 |
| activelow | same with C, vim even recommends includes, labels typos and things | Oct 02 02:21 |
| techrights-news | Links 1/10/2021: #LLVM 13.0.0 Release and Linux Mint Plans • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/10/01/llvm-13/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/01/llvm-13/ | Oct 02 02:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 1/10/2021: LLVM 13.0.0 Release and Linux Mint Plans | Techrights | Oct 02 02:21 | |
| activelow | XRevan86: no, did i miss anything with it? | Oct 02 02:22 |
| activelow | probably not. | Oct 02 02:22 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: After Oracle bought Sun, the project was closed. | Oct 02 02:22 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: Ye won't believe it: InnoDB is the default now. | Oct 02 02:22 |
| techrights-news | I had to replace vulpes gemini proxy as it is still down and has been down for over a week already. I wonder if its maintainer is even aware. https://proxy.vulpes.one/ | Oct 02 02:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 502 @ https://proxy.vulpes.one/ ) | Oct 02 02:23 | |
| XRevan86 | MariaDB also picked InnoDB as the default, it forked the whole combination. It also has additional engines like Aria (extended MyISAM), ColumnStore, MyRocks, et al. | Oct 02 02:23 |
| activelow | this was the one with transactions iirc, and who knows what else | Oct 02 02:24 |
| techrights-news | "I fear that this might be the position of all judges also hoping to make the big buck at the UPC. They would not be so stupid as to saw the branch on which they are sitting?" http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/09/28/germany-and-slovenia-ratify-protocol-on-provisional-application-unified-patent-court/#comments | Oct 02 02:24 |
| MinceR | yeah, the one that sort of works like an actual database :> | Oct 02 02:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Germany and Slovenia ratify Protocol on Provisional Application Unified Patent Court - Kluwer Patent Blog | Oct 02 02:24 | |
| XRevan86 | Finally someone so much out of the loop that this decade-old information feels new :D | Oct 02 02:24 |
| activelow | i began to hate SQL, for proprietary extensions everywhere: microsoft, oracle, mysql | Oct 02 02:24 |
| XRevan86 | InnoDB is actually transactional, yes. | Oct 02 02:24 |
| activelow | stored procedures are neat, performance | Oct 02 02:25 |
| techrights-news | #Security Leftovers • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156334 #TuxMachines | Oct 02 02:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Oct 02 02:25 | |
| activelow | nonetheless, maybe postgresql for this, it can execute python scripts or even c inside the db engine | Oct 02 02:25 |
| activelow | since when, stored procedures are among those features which are not... portable | Oct 02 02:25 |
| activelow | then IBM became excited, about hibernate, i won't touch any of this | Oct 02 02:26 |
| XRevan86 | Very not portable, even with basics as MariaDB/MySQL uses SQL/PSM and PostgreSQL uses PL/SQL. | Oct 02 02:26 |
| techrights-news | #DeepinLinux 20.2.4 integrates global desktop search http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156225#comment-31228 #gnu #linux | Oct 02 02:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Deepin Linux 20.2.4 Released with New Global Search Feature and Linux Kernel 5.13 | Tux Machines | Oct 02 02:27 | |
| techrights-news | #LinuxMint 20.3 due by Christmas and project's website receives a fresh look http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156314#comment-31226 | Oct 02 02:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 20.3 “Una” Arrives This Christmas with Dark Apps and Other Visual Changes | Tux Machines | Oct 02 02:29 | |
| activelow | i had seen many such web applications, rarely did these ever correctly utilize transactions, nor implement object persistence reasonably | Oct 02 02:29 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: Over the years support for the standard features has improved considerably. | Oct 02 02:29 |
| activelow | and, maybe someone should have told IBM about "object-relational impedance mismatch", and then they hadn't wasted billions of cash for hibernate | Oct 02 02:29 |
| activelow | which did surprise me, given designer of SQL was an IBM employee iirc | Oct 02 02:29 |
| techrights-news | Mozilla: Firefox Mistakes, #Mozilla Politics, Outsourcing to Microsoft, and More • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156333 #www #firefox #TuxMachines | Oct 02 02:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla: Firefox Mistakes, Mozilla Politics, Outsourcing to Microsoft, and More | Tux Machines | Oct 02 02:30 | |
| activelow | maybe IBM itself had forgotten | Oct 02 02:30 |
| techrights-news | #LinuxMint 20.3 is named 'Una' and Debian Edition (LMDE) 5 is called 'Elsie' http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156314#comment-31224 | Oct 02 02:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 20.3 “Una” Arrives This Christmas with Dark Apps and Other Visual Changes | Tux Machines | Oct 02 02:31 | |
| activelow | XRevan86: even if the RDBMS backend was fully ANSI SQL compliant, the horror begins with the object persistence layer | Oct 02 02:31 |
| activelow | vendors promised for years, and i hadn't seen any relevant improvement over somewhat simplistic approached | Oct 02 02:31 |
| activelow | maybe utilizing stored procedures for safety/security/transactional stuff, and performance. yet, hibernate? no thanks. | Oct 02 02:32 |
| techrights-news | #bt router acting up aggain http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-011021.html#tOct%2001%2014:37:06 | Oct 02 02:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, October 01, 2021 | Oct 02 02:32 | |
| activelow | anyway | Oct 02 02:32 |
| activelow | some more housekeeping and cleanup to do | Oct 02 02:32 |
| activelow | bye | Oct 02 02:32 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: I am not sure what ye mean by object persistence. Do ye use "object" in t sense of an object-oriented database? | Oct 02 02:33 |
| techrights-news | "gas consumption in Germany (by germans?) was reported to have increased by 40%" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-011021.html#tOct%2001%2022:15:00 | Oct 02 02:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, October 01, 2021 | Oct 02 02:34 | |
| activelow | i mean, data is loaded from the databse into memory, almost always object oriented model | Oct 02 02:34 |
| activelow | XRevan86: some "object oriented" extensions exist for databases, such as oracle; no thanks, not convinced. | Oct 02 02:34 |
| techrights-news | More of us have added or will add capsules to Gemini http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-011021.html#tOct%2001%2016:31:36 | Oct 02 02:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, October 01, 2021 | Oct 02 02:34 | |
| techrights-news | #PipeWire and fixing the Linux Video Capture stack • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156330 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Oct 02 02:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PipeWire and fixing the Linux Video Capture stack | Tux Machines | Oct 02 02:35 | |
| activelow | nonetheless, relational data model and object oriented model do not match | Oct 02 02:35 |
| activelow | that's whay, hibernate specification stacks up thousands of pages, have fun with this, i won't | Oct 02 02:35 |
| techrights-news | #System76 readies high-end Oryx Pro Linux laptops with Tiger Lake-H processor and Nvidia RTX dGPU options • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156329 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Oct 02 02:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | System76 readies high-end Oryx Pro Linux laptops with Tiger Lake-H processor and Nvidia RTX dGPU options | Tux Machines | Oct 02 02:35 | |
| activelow | why | Oct 02 02:36 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: PostgreSQL used to position itself as an object-relational database, there are still remnants of that such as https://postgresql.org/docs/current/tutorial-inheritance.html and https://postgresql.org/docs/current/datatype-oid.html | Oct 02 02:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.postgresql.org | PostgreSQL: Documentation: 14: 8.19. Object Identifier Types | Oct 02 02:36 | |
| XRevan86 | Inheritance is a little-known and pretty messed up feature. | Oct 02 02:36 |
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| activelow | XRevan86: i do appreciate relational database systems | Oct 02 02:37 |
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| activelow | the object oriented extensions do not convince me, neither in the database backend nor with beasts such as java hibernate object-relational-mapping | Oct 02 02:37 |
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| XRevan86 | activelow: Anyway, that's what comes to my mind when ye talk about objects. | Oct 02 02:37 |
| XRevan86 | Hibernate as in a JPA implementation? | Oct 02 02:38 |
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| XRevan86 | Now it makes more sense. I'm not versed in Java. | Oct 02 02:39 |
| activelow | XRevan86: this problem isn't specific to Java | Oct 02 02:39 |
| XRevan86 | "the horror begins with…" ORM? | Oct 02 02:39 |
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| techrights-news | #PostgreSQL 14 Ships with Improved Performance for Heavy Workloads http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156268#comment-31225 #psql #postgres | Oct 02 02:39 |
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| activelow | this is some elaborate explanation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object%E2%80%93relational_impedance_mismatch | Oct 02 02:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Object–relational impedance mismatch - Wikipedia | Oct 02 02:39 | |
| XRevan86 | activelow: Was that an ORM rant all along? | Oct 02 02:40 |
| XRevan86 | meanwhile I was trying to understand what objects should a DBMS handle for some sort of hibernation that IBM should do somehow :D | Oct 02 02:40 |
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| activelow | XRevan86: i refrained from hibernate and utilised spring-mvc instead, with almost all features this had to offer: AOP IOC to handle this | Oct 02 02:43 |
| activelow | and have come to realize, some python or php script isn't necessarily worse than the IBM beast | Oct 02 02:43 |
| activelow | Spring-MVC isn't bad, however, a memory and resource hog; eclipse ide, no thanks | Oct 02 02:44 |
| activelow | sadly, even if i wanted to head towards the embedded realm, the development environment there is occupied by those beasts too: eclipse ide, java, c++ | Oct 02 02:48 |
| activelow | funny how, 15 years ago some Tectronix engineer visited, with the latst greated multifunction backbone multi-computer (all sorts of optical i/o) | Oct 02 02:49 |
| activelow | and then asked, "hey, we need c++ coders"... of cause, on top of microsoft windows | Oct 02 02:50 |
| activelow | greatest | Oct 02 02:50 |
| activelow | maybe, in a few yeas, when this bubble busts and dust settled, some time remains for a telco engineer to do real work: maths and circuit design | Oct 02 02:50 |
| activelow | c coding, assembly, hdl; and i mean the maths domain alone is a lifetime of work ... | Oct 02 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, Another post coming. | Oct 02 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | "When I was a Fedora user, I used to spit and curse all the time when they brought in some new kernel that did more harm than good. They always do more harm than good once your computer works well enough that you’d be better parking yourself on a LTS Linux kernel. Other parts of the system could be brought in that do something terrible. | Oct 02 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | Once, they brought in a new build of the 32-bit x86 libc that contained “optimizations” that turned out to brick some of my Steam games and I had to wait for them to revert it. When they’re just bringing in new junk all the time and pimping your ride, you just never know what will happen next. It’s barely tested. In fact, you are the tester. | Oct 02 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | Then, a while later, they brought in a Linux kernel where Intel tried closing a minor security problem in the graphics driver by disabling its power management, thereby causing my Skylake U-based Yoga 900ISK2 (which was basically a SoC architecture design) to consume twice as much power. All of a sudden, my usual 6-8 hours away from the wall became 2 or 3, and I had to back out Linux 5.7 and go to an older kernel _and_ version lock it. By the | Oct 02 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | time Intel fixed the power mess, by giving up on fixing the security issue (LOL), my computer had over 160 unpatched security vulnerabilities before I could upgrade the kernel again. | Oct 02 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | Now I can just strap some Flatpaks onto Debian 11 and let Debian worry about keeping the underlying system nice and stable, and my computer working properly, and if there is a failure in one of my Flatpak apps, at least it doesn’t spill out and ruin the entire OS like a bad OS update could. | Oct 02 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | It used to be that Fedora was more hit or miss, and now it’s just some janky semi-rolling crap that IBM hardly even cares about." | Oct 02 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | I think it was 5.7 that broke it. | Oct 02 02:58 |
| activelow | IBM must have invested alot, into fedora/redhat, and java | Oct 02 03:01 |
| activelow | i am not willing to touch any of this, neither redhat nor java, for other reasons | Oct 02 03:02 |
| activelow | i did code java for several years, in the recent decade - never again | Oct 02 03:03 |
| activelow | if some SAP or IBM consultants want to take the pride for this, i can live with it as long as they stay away from me | Oct 02 03:05 |
| activelow | then RPM (and DEB) alike, i haven't understood yet how they could bootstrap their systems and manage releases - in comparison to NetBSD or Gentoo | Oct 02 03:06 |
| activelow | Debian takes the place windows7 once had, it is required because others force me to | Oct 02 03:07 |
| activelow | and i consider the situation so severe, the industry should think of reestablishing Z80-era production and analog modems to prepare for SHTF | Oct 02 03:08 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: IBM and Oracle are two different companies. | Oct 02 03:08 |
| activelow | XRevan86: sure, i am approaching this from a vendor-independent perspective, based on technical criteria | Oct 02 03:08 |
| activelow | i think it isn't a coincidence Java wasn't easily available on BSD in the earlier days, around 2003 | Oct 02 03:09 |
| activelow | XRevan86: too i did visit both basic RDBMS lecture and the advanced oracle one, and did read some books | Oct 02 03:13 |
| activelow | nonetheless, oracle is another such entity, who may stay away from me | Oct 02 03:13 |
| activelow | and take the pride for their bloat and chaos together with their "competition" | Oct 02 03:14 |
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| activelow | meanwhile, i remember a woman, who worked for Telekom in austria, with oracle, and developed some DB utility to record mobile phone tower equipment | Oct 02 03:17 |
| activelow | which typically is a load of a gigantic cargo container, hidden in some basement | Oct 02 03:17 |
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| activelow | after 15years, i haven't forgotten the sad facial expression of her | Oct 02 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, "How do Flatpaks compare with Snap from Ubuntu? | Oct 02 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | I hate Snap, and that won’t change. I think they implemented it poorly. | Oct 02 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | It requires a system service that takes hundreds of MB of RAM to manage the software images. Flatpak doesn’t. | Oct 02 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | When I tried using Snap on Ubuntu, there were many Snaps that just didn’t work at all, and one of them was GZDoom, which I have installed on Debian 11 as a Flatpak, and which works fine. | Oct 02 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | Snaps require AppArmor, which is a Ubuntu thing, or else there’s no sandbox at all, Flatpaks have their own sandbox methods. Snaps are bigger and don’t integrate as well with system settings. Flatpak is Free Software on the client _and_ server side, but Snap is totally proprietary on the server side and only Canonical can run a Snap store. | Oct 02 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | Canonical claims that Snaps are universal “Linux” programs, but it doesn’t really work properly on other distributions, and most of them have rebuked Snap in forceful language and purged it from their distribution completely, including the Ubuntu-based Mint and Fedora. | Oct 02 03:19 |
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| DaemonFC | Microsoft loves Snap. Of course, when they packaged a DEB, they clobbered Debian system files with it, so when they’re too $%#$ing stupid to package an application and they love Snap, you should know to run. Hell, they screw up their own OS all the time with bad updates." | Oct 02 03:19 |
| activelow | DaemonFC: deb/rpm/flatpak/snap discourage a source-based workflow and system integration; all of them | Oct 02 03:22 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: https://reproducible-builds.org/ | Oct 02 03:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-reproducible-builds.org | Reproducible Builds — a set of software development practices that create an independently-verifiable path from source to binary code | Oct 02 03:23 | |
| activelow | XRevan86: i do remember this, requires some patches to compiler/linker/toolchain because binaries are not identical when compiled twice | Oct 02 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | "Flatpak is the end of dependency hell, system file stomping from third party repos, and many other kinds of problems. | Oct 02 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | When you add third party repositories to your distribution’s package manager, and that person doesn’t take care to get along with the OS and not overwrite any of its files, or you install multiple such repositories, you can end up in big trouble really fast. | Oct 02 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | In fact, OpenSUSE used to encourage the user to set up multiple such repositories to get extra software, and then the system was immediately broken at setup with food fights over which version of what package to install, which broke this or that, and then broke the package manager and then the OS was ruined. | Oct 02 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | Although that was an extreme example. Most distributions are smart enough not to do this. Stupid krauts." | Oct 02 03:25 |
| activelow | besides, release management tooling required anyway, gentoo portage or netbsd pkgsrc; i won't touch any RPM/Deb or flat/snap thing | Oct 02 03:25 |
| activelow | somehow i am proud of it, none of my preferred systems is listed as supported by flatpak (or snap) | Oct 02 03:28 |
| activelow | alpine seems to be willing to take some pride with it, and docker too which i reject | Oct 02 03:28 |
| activelow | btw. German Telekom proudly presented their "corona app" server system being deployed as docker image iirc, wt... | Oct 02 03:29 |
| activelow | i mean, uhm, doesn't Oracle maintain solaris anymore and sane package management with it??? | Oct 02 03:30 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: Now that ye are up to speed with Falcon… sit down… | Oct 02 03:31 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: Oracle… closed Solaris up, and it was forked as Illumos. | Oct 02 03:32 |
| XRevan86 | ZFS now exists as two incompatible versions, but OpenZFS is what everyone means by ZFS implicitly, so whichever Solaris uses is not what people mean by ZFS. | Oct 02 03:33 |
| activelow | sorry XRevan86, already forgot again, falcon, thought it was falcon browser engine, which i am not interested in; maybe yes, talk a little about real Unix and not toys | Oct 02 03:33 |
| activelow | i rejected solaris, for the reason being it was proprietary at the time i had the opportunity, and opensolaris was too late, i had quit with telekom at the time it arrived already | Oct 02 03:34 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: Ah :). It was a MySQL 6 database engine. | Oct 02 03:34 |
| XRevan86 | The browser is called Falkon, and its engine is, well, Chromium's Blink/V8. | Oct 02 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/02/what-are-flatpaks-and-how-do-they-help-on-a-gnu-linux-distribution-such-as-debian-why-are-they-better-than-snaps/ | Oct 02 03:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | What are Flatpaks and how do they help on a GNU/Linux distribution such as Debian? Why are they better than Snaps? – BaronHK's Rants | Oct 02 03:35 | |
| XRevan86 | activelow: Oracle doesn't actually show interest in Solaris, they push Oracle Linux, which is RHEL with Oracle's fluff of course. | Oct 02 03:36 |
| XRevan86 | But it still exists, and so do SPARCs. | Oct 02 03:41 |
| activelow | this is how i deal with dependency hell: rarely no updates at all, gentoo catalyst and gentoo portage, and drop read-only firmwares into squashfs | Oct 02 03:41 |
| activelow | any development i do must take the route into a git repo, then through gentoo ebuild, temporarily installed into a tmpfs (optionally persisted across reboots for quick re-install without compilation) | Oct 02 03:42 |
| activelow | and when done, i create another release, once or twice a year | Oct 02 03:42 |
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| activelow | whenever i hit reset-button, everything which is loaded from squashfs was git hashed and signed from somewhere, and compiled from source | Oct 02 03:43 |
| activelow | my idea is this: not make it easy to install binaries, but to make it easy to create binary packages and entire firmware images | Oct 02 03:43 |
| activelow | and this is *nix/bsd style, not some proprietary blobware procedures | Oct 02 03:46 |
| activelow | and, i do this with low-power arm64 sbc now | Oct 02 03:46 |
| activelow | i do not need any SPARC or POWER workstation which sucks 100x the amount of electricity | Oct 02 03:47 |
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| activelow | this is exactly what Deb/RPM and similar do not offer: a relativiley comfortable option for a 100% source based workflow | Oct 02 03:49 |
| activelow | the *BSD do it, and offer binary to user comfort, gentoo, didn't try alpine since i jumped into gentoo territory, and some tiny fringe distros | Oct 02 03:50 |
| activelow | Deb/RPM and similar are unacceptable as a source-based system, if the vendors wouldn't explain to me how the manage their source based workflow similar to what *BSD and gentoo do | Oct 02 03:51 |
| activelow | it is completely irelevant, if Canoncial/microsoft, novel/suse, or IBM/redhat place their label onto binaryblob distros | Oct 02 03:52 |
| activelow | maybe, alpine is acceptable, i didn't try it yet, certianly not any deb/rpm, even worse the flatpak thing | Oct 02 03:53 |
| activelow | maybe, docker? if the source-based workflow is ok, which i doubt it is | Oct 02 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/02/why-i-turned-down-free-phones-from-t-mobile-and-stuck-a-new-battery-in-my-spouses-iphone-se-2020/ | Oct 02 03:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Why I turned down “Free” phones from T-Mobile and stuck a new battery in my spouse’s iPhone SE (2020). – BaronHK's Rants | Oct 02 03:55 | |
| activelow | seems i was in error, flatpak sneaked into gentoo tree | Oct 02 04:11 |
| activelow | it didn't arrive in *bsd | Oct 02 04:13 |
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| DaemonFC | LOL, looks like the gnome metapackage in Debian depends on Libreoffice. | Oct 02 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | If you remove the metapackage, nothing bad will happen right away, but if they decide to change what the GNOME desktop has later, then you may end up in a weird predicament. | Oct 02 04:20 |
| activelow | seems flatpak builds upon "namespaces", as docker does | Oct 02 04:33 |
| activelow | had been thinking about many of the sandboxing techniques, and tried many, and concluded: none | Oct 02 04:34 |
| activelow | during the compilation phase, some chroot is utilized, and a dedicated user account, that's it | Oct 02 04:35 |
| activelow | i do however spawn X11 as non-root, and isolate irc and browser with dedicated user accounts | Oct 02 04:36 |
| activelow | and here is the reason why: NONE of the sandboxing techniques filtered system calls at the granularity ancient systrace/xsystrace (nils provos) did | Oct 02 04:37 |
| activelow | and this is exactly the thing i had wanted to see, with seccomp for example, or apparmor, or selinux even: none implemented the filtering interface as i had need it to be, and as it was with systrace/xsystrace from nils provos | Oct 02 04:37 |
| activelow | openbsd/netbsd removed systrace support, and implemented pledge() instead, ok. this is a sane choice | Oct 02 04:39 |
| activelow | furthermore, i wasn't happy with auditd on linux, for various reasons, to catch some EPERM once in a while, so i disabled this entirely too | Oct 02 04:39 |
| activelow | i did find systrace/xsystrace useful, but the ptrace() backend on linux was prone to race conditions and weird side effects | Oct 02 04:42 |
| activelow | and, what a horror, the hundreds of syscalls on linux, there is so many now i wouldn't know their names more than 300 and i couldn't at least identify all their names | Oct 02 04:43 |
| activelow | the reason distros need to rely on another abstraction with flatpaks and namespaces for security isn't an argument to be made for deployments with flatpak | Oct 02 04:44 |
| activelow | it is an argument against all distros which require flatpaks | Oct 02 04:45 |
| activelow | same with dependency hell, if this required flatpaks, then this is an argument against any distro and software involved | Oct 02 04:49 |
| activelow | https://docs.flatpak.org/en/latest/sandbox-permissions.html | Oct 02 04:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-docs.flatpak.org | Sandbox Permissions — Flatpak documentation | Oct 02 04:52 | |
| activelow | "limited syscalls"... this is interesting how this was achived, and at which granularity | Oct 02 04:53 |
| activelow | if it is seccomp or similar i remember from two years ago it didn't offer what i needed for forensics | Oct 02 04:54 |
| activelow | besides, seccomp relied on BPF in kernel, which itself was prone to vulnerabilities, since then i fully removed seccomp/bpf from kernel | Oct 02 04:56 |
| kingoffrance | thats roughly how i feel, not familiar with all or any of those, but if containers is needed to avoid dependency hell.........there is some packaging problem somewhere, or something with how languages do things for their "modules" ... | Oct 02 05:08 |
| kingoffrance | not even that these things, or containers are bad per se -- but seems actual level where there are issues, will not be solved, because "good enough" to work around at another level | Oct 02 05:09 |
| kingoffrance | same thing, with say process migration versus migrating a whole vm | Oct 02 05:09 |
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| kingoffrance | maybe thats a bad thing. maybe one does not need that granularity. but, if there is "good enough" then it likely will not get much work | Oct 02 05:10 |
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| kingoffrance | lots of ppl talk about nixos, but i have not used | Oct 02 05:27 |
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| activelow | i am more interested in the tools to maintain a system from source, then the final result | Oct 02 05:29 |
| activelow | than | Oct 02 05:29 |
| activelow | that's why, i favor *bsd or gentoo, because the source-based workflow and control | Oct 02 05:30 |
| activelow | besides the tools, typically a sane system provides a portage/pkgsrc type tree for the entire system and software used | Oct 02 05:31 |
| activelow | and, no no no, Deb/RPM do not provide what i consider free and opensource, at least i didn't find it | Oct 02 05:33 |
| activelow | nixos seems to be a candidate, it provides both some tool and tree required; it probably is less powerful than gentoo | Oct 02 05:36 |
| activelow | at first glance inside git repos of nixos and nixpkg | Oct 02 05:36 |
| activelow | i cannot afford to loose the power of gentoo tooling, to track very specific things, and to remove them | Oct 02 05:39 |
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| activelow | debian apt sources.list ... interesting it is named "sources" and not binaries.list | Oct 02 07:26 |
| activelow | since sources.list points to binaries, not at least some pkgsrc type tree for easy navigation of the build-system... none to be had | Oct 02 07:29 |
| gustaf | activelow: check out section "II" from gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/zine/issue001/index.gmi for a nice overview of UTC and leap seconds | Oct 02 07:41 |
| techrights-news | #Techrights Bulletin for Friday, October 01, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext | Oct 02 07:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives | Oct 02 07:41 | |
| techrights-news | #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing | Oct 02 07:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index | Oct 02 07:41 | |
| techrights-news | #LinuxMint 20.3 "Una" Arrives this Christmas • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156342 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Oct 02 07:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 20.3 "Una" Arrives this Christmas | Tux Machines | Oct 02 07:42 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #BSDly #BSD ☞ What every IT person needs to know about #OpenBSD https://bsdly.blogspot.com/2021/09/what-every-it-person-needs-to-know.html | Oct 02 07:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bsdly.blogspot.com | That grumpy BSD guy: What every IT person needs to know about OpenBSD | Oct 02 07:45 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #JeffGeerling #OpenHardware ☞ Attaching to a Raspberry Pi's Serial Console (UART) for debugging https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2021/attaching-raspberry-pis-serial-console-uart-debugging | Oct 02 07:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jeffgeerling.com | Attaching to a Raspberry Pi's Serial Console (UART) for debugging | Jeff Geerling | Oct 02 07:45 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #CCC #Education ☞ Auch 2021 leider kein Congress in #Leipzig https://events.ccc.de/2021/10/01/absage_praesenz_2021/#english "For this reason, we have jointly decided not to have a presence event in Leipzig this year." | Oct 02 07:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-events.ccc.de | Auch 2021 leider kein Congress in Leipzig - CCC Event Blog | Oct 02 07:47 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TechSpot #Education ☞ Some students don't understand the concept of computer files and folders https://www.techspot.com/news/91434-students-dont-understand-concept-computer-files-folders.html | Oct 02 07:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Some students don't understand the concept of computer files and folders | TechSpot | Oct 02 07:47 | |
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| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #AppleInsider #ProprietarySoftware ☞ #Apple making display repairs harder on iPhone 13 Pro is a step too far https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/09/28/apple-making-display-repairs-harder-on-iphone-13-pro-is-a-step-too-far | Oct 02 07:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple making display repairs harder on iPhone 13 Pro is a step too far | AppleInsider | Oct 02 07:48 | |
| techrights-news | #Microsoft #Windows TCO: ● #IndiaTimes #ProprietarySoftware ☞ White House plans 30-country meeting on cyber crime and ransomware https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/white-house-plans-30-country-meeting-on-cyber-crime-and-ransomware/86699702 | Oct 02 07:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | White House plans 30-country meeting on cyber crime and ransomware, IT News, ET CIO | Oct 02 07:49 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TheHill #Surveillance #Privacy ☞ #Google cancels plan to offer bank accounts to users https://thehill.com/policy/technology/574944-google-cancels-plan-to-offer-bank-accounts-to-users | Oct 02 07:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google cancels plan to offer bank accounts to users | TheHill | Oct 02 07:49 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #PCLinux #Surveillance #Privacy ☞ KDE's Telemetry: The Tip Of The Iceberg? https://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/202109/page09.html | Oct 02 07:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pclosmag.com | PCLinuxOS Magazine - Page 9 | Oct 02 07:50 | |
| activelow | thanks gustaf | Oct 02 07:51 |
| activelow | interesting, CCC had scheduled their congress in my hometown, Leipzig, this year. and cancelled it. | Oct 02 07:57 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Oct 02 07:57 |
| activelow | couldn't afford to travel home anyway. | Oct 02 07:57 |
| schestowitz | BTW, we beat you at football 6-3 :-) | Oct 02 07:58 |
| activelow | morning ;) | Oct 02 07:58 |
| activelow | RedBull Leipzig isn't considered a Leipzig club by most original inhabitants, it is Lokomotive Leipzig or Chemistry Leipzig soccer clubs which are | Oct 02 07:59 |
| schestowitz | we have OilMoney manCity | Oct 02 08:02 |
| schestowitz | some of the players are local | Oct 02 08:02 |
| schestowitz | like,..... one | Oct 02 08:02 |
| schestowitz | Foden | Oct 02 08:02 |
| schestowitz | even Man United is more local | Oct 02 08:03 |
| activelow | nonetheless, RedBull is an interesting team, who had sourced many European talents | Oct 02 08:05 |
| schestowitz | Angelino | Oct 02 08:05 |
| schestowitz | he played for ManCity for a year... not much though | Oct 02 08:05 |
| activelow | the best scorer from austria, the best scorer from sweden... RedBull is a european team, and a good one | Oct 02 08:06 |
| activelow | nonetheless, the smaller soccer stadiums are different, often surrounded by forest and beautiful landscape, and different atmosphere | Oct 02 08:06 |
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| techrights-news | SSL certificates became little but a pyramid scheme of so-called trust. The founder of #ubuntu was an early beneficiary of this MLM scheme. I'm willing to elaborate/justify/explain this stance. | Oct 02 08:19 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #NUJ #FreedomPress ☞ #CIA reportedly plotted to kidnap and #assassinate Julian #Assange https://www.nuj.org.uk/resource/cia-reportedly-plotted-to-kidnap-and-assassinate-julian-assange.html | Oct 02 08:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nuj.org.uk | CIA reportedly plotted to kidnap and assassinate Julian Assange | Oct 02 08:20 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #AssociatedPress #Internet ☞ #Africa [Internet] riches plundered, contested by #China broker https://apnews.com/article/technology-business-africa-china-uganda-5462f03bbd75bf9724a26623295fbf0e | Oct 02 08:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apnews.com | Africa internet riches plundered, contested by China broker | Oct 02 08:33 | |
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| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #Bloomberg #Monopolies ☞ #Google Tells Judges It’s So Popular It’s Bing’s Top Search Term https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-28/google-tells-judges-it-s-so-popular-it-s-bing-s-top-search-term | Oct 02 08:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? | Oct 02 08:40 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TheVerge #Monopolies ☞ #Google says Bing users search for Google more than anything else https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/1/22703263/google-lawyer-argues-bing-used-find-google-top-search-defaults | Oct 02 08:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Google says Bing users search for Google more than anything else - The Verge | Oct 02 08:41 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #Variety #Copyrights ☞ #ScarlettJohansson and #Disney Settle ‘Black Widow’ Pay Lawsuit https://variety.com/2021/film/news/scarlett-johansson-disney-lawsuit-settled-1235078355/ | Oct 02 08:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Scarlett Johansson, Disney Settle 'Black Widow' Lawsuit - Variety | Oct 02 08:42 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #EestiRahvusringhääling #Copyrights ☞ ERR and Telia reach agreement on TV transmission https://news.err.ee/1608354896/err-and-telia-reach-agreement-on-tv-transmission | Oct 02 08:43 |
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| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #HollywoodReporter #Copyrights ☞ #ScarlettJohansson , #Disney Settle Explosive ‘Black Widow’ Lawsuit https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/scarlett-johansson-disney-settle-black-widow-lawsuit-1235022598/ | Oct 02 08:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hollywoodreporter.com | Scarlett Johansson, Disney Lawsuit Settled Over ‘Black Widow’ – The Hollywood Reporter | Oct 02 08:44 | |
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| gustaf | I remember Debian showing how to install from source | Oct 02 08:53 |
| gustaf | but compiling from source is something even OpenBSD discourages for a normal system | Oct 02 08:53 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt #Facebook #FB ☞ Facebook: Amplifying The Good Or The Bad? It's Getting Ugly https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210928/16495447654/facebook-amplifying-good-bad-getting-ugly.shtml | Oct 02 08:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook: Amplifying The Good Or The Bad? It's Getting Ugly | Techdirt | Oct 02 08:54 | |
| schestowitz-TR | gustaf: true | Oct 02 08:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | compiling from source is absolutely OK when you have fixed hardware | Oct 02 08:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | like... apple crap | Oct 02 08:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | so you can assure the deterministic process will succeed without having to debug | Oct 02 08:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | but then, what benefit | Oct 02 08:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | I give you a "standard" box with source | Oct 02 08:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | unless you are going to actually change the source, what's the benefit | Oct 02 08:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | you could compile the exact same code as millions of other users | Oct 02 08:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | and get the same binary | Oct 02 08:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | so might as well grab that binary instead | Oct 02 08:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | if you do customise the code before compiling though, there's a chance the results woule suck | Oct 02 08:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | not just for the one package whose code you change | Oct 02 08:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | there might be many things dependent on it | Oct 02 08:57 |
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| schestowitz-TR | it gets worse: | Oct 02 08:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | sometimes I want to change code, e.g. in KDE, to do something better | Oct 02 08:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | but unless I push it upsteam, an update to the whole KDE or that application would overrisde | Oct 02 08:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | so you need to maintain a patchset | Oct 02 08:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | then apply it again and again every time there is a system update | Oct 02 08:59 |
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| schestowitz-TR | for a large company it's doable and worth the effort, but single users? Not as much... | Oct 02 09:00 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux ☞ See what sounds look like with Raspberry Pi Pico https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/see-what-the-sounds-around-you-look-like-with-raspberry-pi-pico/ | Oct 02 09:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | See what sounds look like with Raspberry Pi Pico - Raspberry Pi | Oct 02 09:01 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #FortranLang ☞ #Fortran newsletter: October 2021 https://fortran-lang.org/newsletter/2021/10/01/Fortran-Newsletter-October-2021/ | Oct 02 09:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fortran-lang.org | Fortran newsletter: October 2021 - Fortran Programming Language | Oct 02 09:02 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #Site36 ☞ Undercover operations: #UK special court sentences #police for sexual relations https://digit.site36.net/2021/10/01/undercover-operations-uk-special-court-sentences-police-for-sexual-relations/ | Oct 02 09:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-digit.site36.net | Undercover operations: UK special court sentences police for sexual relations – Matthias Monroy | Oct 02 09:03 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #KrebsOnSecurity ☞ #FCC Proposal Targets SIM Swapping, Port-Out Fraud https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/10/fcc-proposal-targets-sim-swapping-port-out-fraud/ | Oct 02 09:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | FCC Proposal Targets SIM Swapping, Port-Out Fraud – Krebs on Security | Oct 02 09:03 | |
| techrights-news | This week in KDE: Getting Plasma 5.23 ready for release • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156343 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Oct 02 09:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: Getting Plasma 5.23 ready for release | Tux Machines | Oct 02 09:04 | |
| techrights-news | Ｔｅｃｈｒｉｇｈｔｓ #IRC Proceedings: Friday, October 01, 2021 • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/10/02/irc-log-011021/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/02/irc-log-011021/ | Oct 02 09:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Friday, October 01, 2021 | Techrights | Oct 02 09:06 | |
| activelow | my argument was the tools and the *complete* build-system tree to compile form source must be available, which isn't with debian, at least i couldn't find it | Oct 02 09:08 |
| activelow | and although OpenBSD doesn't encourage to build from source, OpenBSD does provide *all* tools, complete build-system tree, and documentation to do so when necessary | Oct 02 09:08 |
| activelow | my opionion is this, developers should use low-power systems and compile everything from source with those; and then rethink their decisions | Oct 02 09:11 |
| activelow | because for almost one year now i optimized the workflow to achieve this on low power arm SBC distcc cluster to maintain all software i am using compiled from source | Oct 02 09:12 |
| activelow | needless to say this approach makes it easier to create patches, remove malicious components, review particular sources | Oct 02 09:13 |
| activelow | which I do, and most binary-distro users do not | Oct 02 09:13 |
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| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #CounterPunch ☞ Roaming Charges: The Dirtiest Word of All https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/10/01/roaming-charges-28/ "Even though Obama’s crackdowns on whistleblowers rivaled Nixon’s in their ferocity, he backed off from indicting Assange" | Oct 02 09:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Roaming Charges: The Dirtiest Word of All - CounterPunch.org | Oct 02 09:57 | |
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| techrights-news | #ibm #layoffs "Processes and technologies are nothing without people that lives them and the magic and invisible glue of all of this is the the respect they deserve or they would have deserved , those people. Cause what is lost is lost." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1d6y5hFp#replies | Oct 02 10:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM didn't lose the cloud... - post regarding IBM layoffs | Oct 02 10:09 | |
| techrights-news | "Anything for early October though? I got an unexpected meeting invitation from my manager for early next week." #ibm #layoffs https://www.thelayoff.com/t/184dZszC#replies | Oct 02 10:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM Layoffs 2021 - post regarding IBM layoffs | Oct 02 10:10 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ Bond's "No Time to Die" Leaks on Pirate Sites Before U.S. Premiere https://torrentfreak.com/bonds-no-time-to-die-leaks-on-pirate-sites-before-u-s-premiere-211001/ | Oct 02 10:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bond's "No Time to Die" Leaks on Pirate Sites Before U.S. Premiere * TorrentFreak | Oct 02 10:14 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ #EU Parliament Committee Adopts Digital Services Act https://torrentfreak.com/eu-parliament-committee-adopts-digital-services-act-211001/ | Oct 02 10:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EU Parliament Committee Adopts Digital Services Act * TorrentFreak | Oct 02 10:14 | |
| techrights-news | [Comments noteworthy] KDE's Telemetry: The Tip of the Iceberg? - SoylentNews ⚓ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/09/30/1515211 ䷉ #soylentnews #kde #gnu #linux | Oct 02 10:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | KDE's Telemetry: The Tip of the Iceberg? - SoylentNews | Oct 02 10:24 | |
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| techrights-news | iophk: #rossmanngroup apparently unaware of the role of shills and astroturfers https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/freedom-is-going-mainstream.:8 | Oct 02 10:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Freedom is going mainstream. AppleInsider editorial language gives me hope. | Oct 02 10:48 | |
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| techrights-news | #rossmanngroup : subject to fines and penalties for refurbishing old computers https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/my-business-is-being-audited-by-new-york:f | Oct 02 10:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | My business is being AUDITED by New York State! 😃 | Oct 02 10:49 | |
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| techrights-news | "Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate ..." ⚓ https://joindiaspora.com/posts/21675773 ䷉ #joindiaspora | Oct 02 10:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody@joindiaspora.com: Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/01/apple-amazon-microsoft-disney-lobby-groups-climate-bill-analysis turns out they are even more evil than we thought... | Oct 02 10:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com | Apple and Disney among companies backing groups against US climate bill | US political lobbying | The Guardian | Oct 02 10:51 | |
| techrights-news | #geminiProtocol in #newsgroups #nntp #usenet https://www.big-8.org/wiki/Comp.infosystems.gemini_RFD | Oct 02 10:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.big-8.org | Comp.infosystems.gemini RFD - Usenet Big-8 Management Board | Oct 02 10:52 | |
| techrights-news | iophk: " #netneutrality is not even mentioned in most of the SK v #Netflix decision's articles, even though it upends it *AND* the Koreans are already paying for bandwidth; SK has been granted permission to double dip" | Oct 02 10:53 |
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| techrights-news | #OpenSourceInitiative (OSI) Leadership Changing, Quite Likely for the Better • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/10/02/osi-change/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/02/osi-change/ | Oct 02 11:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Open Source Initiative (OSI) Leadership Changing, Quite Likely for the Better | Techrights | Oct 02 11:08 | |
| schestowitz-TR | https://nitter.eu/VokrugLinux/status/1444218456992276483#m | Oct 02 11:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.eu | Вокруг Linux (@VokrugLinux): "💡 18 сентября Ричард Столлман выступил в Киеве 🇺🇦 с докладом "Свободное ПО и Универсальная общественная лицензия GNU GPL" Запись выступления доступна по ссылке http://techrights.org/2021/09/21/rms-ukraine-talk/ Перевод можно послушать че | Oct 02 11:14 | |
| schestowitz-TR | XRevan86: what does that say? | Oct 02 11:14 |
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| DaemonFC | Client: HexChat 2.14.3 • OS: Debian 11.0 • CPU: 11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1165G7 @ 2.80GHz (749MHz) • Memory: Physical: 15.1 GiB Total (12.2 GiB Free) Swap: 16.6 GiB Total (16.5 GiB Free) • Storage: 91.8 GB / 473.6 GB (381.8 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation TigerLake GT2 [Iris Xe Graphics] @ Intel Corporation 11th Gen Core Processor Host Bridge/DRAM Registers • Uptime: 13m 57s | Oct 02 11:38 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 02 11:38 |
| DaemonFC | I brought in the Linux 5.10.70 kernel to replace 5.10.46. | Oct 02 11:38 |
| DaemonFC | For some reason, update-initramfs wasn't happy about my swap partition. Not sure where that came into play. | Oct 02 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | It would mount it and use it, but it was complaining that the UUID for the partition was wrong and to set the resume variable to correct the issue. | Oct 02 11:40 |
| DaemonFC | https://askubuntu.com/questions/1060917/swap-from-partition-to-file-now-get-no-matching-swap-device-is-available | Oct 02 11:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-askubuntu.com | resume - Swap: From partition to file, now get "no matching swap device is available" - Ask Ubuntu | Oct 02 11:41 | |
| DaemonFC | Although there is no swapfile in Debian (unless you set it up without a swap partition and use a file), the accepted answer here fixed my problem. | Oct 02 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like swapfiles because they've just had too many problems. | Oct 02 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | They can end up getting degraded pretty badly and thrown in bits and pieces all over the same partition you're using for /, and the kernel has had bugs where it tries to write to the swapfile and accidentally starts spewing stuff meant for swap into your main file system by mistake. | Oct 02 11:43 |
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| techrights-news | #Privacy Primer: Partitioning Email, Phone Numbers, Devices ⚓ https://odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6/partition:5 ䷉ #RobBraxmanTech | Oct 02 11:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Privacy Primer: Partitioning Email, Phone Numbers, Devices | Oct 02 11:45 | |
| DaemonFC | And BtrFS just hates these things, and you have to set up a special subvolume for them and use non-default mount options that are known to be particularly buggy, even by BtrFS's low standards. | Oct 02 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | Then there's been bugs like the swapfile accidentally being included in snapshots. | Oct 02 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | It's just dumb. Even if you don't use BtrFS, which itself is quite dumb. | Oct 02 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | Calling BtrFS perpetually half done is putting it mildly. Even though it's broken shit, Facebook can get away with it because they have redundancy in their storage and when the file system eventually fails it's not a huge disaster for them. | Oct 02 11:47 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ Pirate #IPTV Service Nitro IPTV Asks Court to Dismiss #Hollywood Lawsuit https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-iptv-service-nitro-iptv-asks-court-to-dismiss-hollywood-lawsuit-211001/ | Oct 02 11:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pirate IPTV Service Nitro IPTV Asks Court to Dismiss Hollywood Lawsuit * TorrentFreak | Oct 02 11:48 | |
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| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▃▄▃▃▅▃▃▄▄▂▃▄▆▂▃▅▄▂▄▁▃▄▅▆▅▄▅▄▄▅▃▁ avg(k/sec) 18.90 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▂▂▁▁█▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▃▁▁▁ avg(k/sec) 28.11▕ swarm size (avg): 257.84 ⟲ | Oct 02 12:01 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▃▄▃▃▅▃▃▄▄▂▃▄▆▂▃▅▄▂▄▁▃▄▅▆▅▄▅▄▄▅▃▁ avg(k/sec) 18.90 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▂▂▁▁█▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▃▁▁▁ avg(k/sec) 28.11▕ swarm size (avg): 257.84 ⟲ | Oct 02 12:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | wow, lots of RAM | Oct 02 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | you can tell this was told with WINDOWS ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ | Oct 02 12:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: you have more RAM than all my 4 laptops COMBINED | Oct 02 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | My old laptop has 16 GB. | Oct 02 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | I don't buy one unless it has a lot of RAM. | Oct 02 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | those cost more | Oct 02 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | over 500 dollars for sure | Oct 02 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | 8 GB is way too small for Windows, and they don't save you a lot of money. | Oct 02 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | for silly gimmicks like fingerprint scanners | Oct 02 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | like, WTH?? | Oct 02 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe $30-40 on a $1,000 laptop. | Oct 02 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | Why do it? | Oct 02 12:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | What's for it in a 'residential' machine? | Oct 02 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | Never hitting the SWAP file ever unless something REALLY bad is going on. :) | Oct 02 12:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | linux does use the swap | Oct 02 12:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | it reserves abouyt 32kb there | Oct 02 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, I tested out what it takes to run my system out of RAM and get it to start using the SWAP. | Oct 02 12:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | it might even overuse iot for reasons I do not fully understand | Oct 02 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | Under Debian 11, if you open more than 100 web page tabs in GNOME Web and go past 95%, it starts swapping. | Oct 02 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | Probably could get away with more if I used a lighter desktop, but then again, GNOME itself has been nailing a lot of bad bloat/leak problems over the last couple of years. | Oct 02 12:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | swapping ion ssd can be fast | Oct 02 12:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | disk i/o speeds are not bad | Oct 02 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I didn't notice any real slowdown when it started swapping. | Oct 02 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | I have an NVME SSD. | Oct 02 12:14 |
| techrights-news | "I've been thinking for a while that it should be possible to repeat Gemini's trick of updating a classic protocol (gopher) to take into account the realities of the modern internet" https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007246.html | Oct 02 12:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [off-topic] [tech] talkat | Oct 02 12:15 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #CounterPunch #Assange #wikileaks #assassination ☞ Murderous Fantasies: the US Intelligence Effort Against Assange https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/10/01/murderous-fantasies-the-us-intelligence-effort-against-assange/ | Oct 02 12:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Murderous Fantasies: the US Intelligence Effort Against Assange - CounterPunch.org | Oct 02 12:19 | |
| techrights-news | Speaking Through Spokespeople is a Sign of Weakness, Such as Non-Denying and False Denials (or: #BillGates Never Denied His Connections to MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein) • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/ ䷉ #Techrights | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/ | Oct 02 12:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Speaking Through Spokespeople is a Sign of Weakness, Such as Non-Denying and False Denials (or: Bill Gates Never Denied His Connections to MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein) | Techrights | Oct 02 12:21 | |
| techrights-news | #BillGates Over #Microsoft Skype in Gates-Funded PBS • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/09/28/gates-funded-pbs/ ䷉ #Techrights | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/09/28/gates-funded-pbs/ | Oct 02 12:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill Gates Over Microsoft Skype in Gates-Funded PBS | Techrights | Oct 02 12:21 | |
| techrights-news | #NPR and #PBS , Both Funded by #BillGates , Try to Save Him • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/09/24/npr-and-pbs-bought-media/ ䷉ #Techrights | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/09/24/npr-and-pbs-bought-media/ | Oct 02 12:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | NPR and PBS, Both Funded by Bill Gates, Try to Save Him | Techrights | Oct 02 12:22 | |
| DaemonFC | https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/02/linux-5-10-70-lands-in-debian-11-proposed-updates/ | Oct 02 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Linux 5.10.70 lands in Debian 11 Proposed Updates – BaronHK's Rants | Oct 02 12:23 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, ^ | Oct 02 12:23 |
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| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: I will catch it in RSS later on | Oct 02 12:26 |
| DaemonFC | It seems like there really ought to be more frequent kernel updates than this in Debian though. | Oct 02 12:27 |
| DaemonFC | Letting 2,200 bug fixes pile up between releases? | Oct 02 12:28 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, I get not wanting to reboot the computer all the time, but some of these are quite bad. | Oct 02 12:28 |
| techrights-news | Lots of software crashes lately, even in new and fully patched software, due to the certificates #PyramidScheme of the likes of #linuxfoundation and other monopolists. Sept. 30th = software Sept. 11st. | Oct 02 12:28 |
| techrights-news | The #OpenSourceInitiative (OSI) changed its public faces and judging by what we’ve been seeing in recent weeks there’s room for hope because of the new leader’s history/track record • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/10/02/osi-change/ ䷉ #Techrights #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/02/osi-change/ | Oct 02 12:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Open Source Initiative (OSI) Leadership Changing, Quite Likely for the Better | Techrights | Oct 02 12:29 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, Yes, don't use regular Linux releases if you can avoid it. | Oct 02 12:29 |
| DaemonFC | Use the LTS stuff. | Oct 02 12:29 |
| techrights-news | Today in #Techrights • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156344 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Oct 02 12:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Oct 02 12:30 | |
| DaemonFC | In the past few years, the regular releases have been getting released and they're just too buggy to exist, honestly. | Oct 02 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | And that's why Fedora is such a pain in the ass lately. | Oct 02 12:30 |
| techrights-news | Oops. Did I just type Sept. 11st? I meant 11th, but in #socialcontrolmedia editing isn't allowed. | Oct 02 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: yes, LTS is OK | Oct 02 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | depending on the project | Oct 02 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | Vista is rolling release | Oct 02 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | and not even good at that | Oct 02 12:31 |
| activelow | DaemonFC: if you don't like swap-files, zram is what i am using, since some got 1GiB of RAM and sometimes, it is useful | Oct 02 12:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | with radical outcomes like refusing to even bootstrap | Oct 02 12:32 |
| activelow | zram compresses to ~50%, and it is fast enough on limited arm | Oct 02 12:32 |
| activelow | i recommend zram, not zswap | Oct 02 12:32 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt #monopoly ☞ The 'Digital Divide' Didn't Just Show Up One Day. It's The Direct Result Of Telecom Monopolization https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210929/06595947657/digital-divide-didnt-just-show-up-one-day-direct-result-telecom-monopolization.shtml | Oct 02 12:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The 'Digital Divide' Didn't Just Show Up One Day. It's The Direct Result Of Telecom Monopolization | Techdirt | Oct 02 12:32 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ #TampaBay PD's 'Crime-Free Housing' Program Disproportionately Targeted Black Residents, Did Nothing To Reduce Crime https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210917/20095547584/tampa-bay-pds-crime-free-housing-program-disproportionately-targeted-black-residents-did-nothing-to-reduce-crime.shtml | Oct 02 12:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tampa Bay PD's 'Crime-Free Housing' Program Disproportionately Targeted Black Residents, Did Nothing To Reduce Crime | Techdirt | Oct 02 12:35 | |
| DaemonFC | <schestowitz-TR> with radical outcomes like refusing to even bootstrap | Oct 02 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | Booting successfully is too modern, as is shutting down and rebooting successfully. That's why systemd was introduced to prevent it. | Oct 02 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, ^ | Oct 02 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | The 90 second default wait for hung processes that are never going to respond is always so nice though. | Oct 02 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | It's so great that Debian just implemented this so it can be like Fedora there if anything glitches on shutdown. | Oct 02 12:38 |
| activelow | nilfs2 and reset-button, it's awesome | Oct 02 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | https://groups.google.com/g/linux.debian.bugs.rc/c/ylqL47-L4_U?pli=1 | Oct 02 12:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-groups.google.com | Bug#838310: keyboard-configuration: user configuration lost + error message from setupcon | Oct 02 12:42 | |
| DaemonFC | I got this one when it would update initramfs | Oct 02 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | I had to dpkg reconfigure my keyboard, even though it used exactly the same settings as before. | Oct 02 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | Anyway....now I seem to have solved all of those ugly error messages. | Oct 02 12:43 |
| activelow | $ loadkeys en | Oct 02 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | How do things like this end up in LTS release distros? | Oct 02 12:43 |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt #Censorship ☞ Against 'Content Moderation' And The Concentration Of Power https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211001/11502947676/against-content-moderation-concentration-power.shtml | Oct 02 12:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Against 'Content Moderation' And The Concentration Of Power | Techdirt | Oct 02 12:48 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt #Censorship ☞ Ken Popehat White (Again) Shows How To Respond To A Completely Thuggish Legal Threat Letter https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210930/17413447671/ken-popehat-white-again-shows-how-to-respond-to-completely-thuggish-legal-threat-letter.shtml | Oct 02 12:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ken Popehat White (Again) Shows How To Respond To A Completely Thuggish Legal Threat Letter | Techdirt | Oct 02 12:48 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TruthOut ☞ "Diversity," "White Supremacist" Among Terms WI GOP Seeks to Ban in Schools https://truthout.org/articles/diversity-white-supremacist-among-terms-wi-gop-seeks-to-ban-in-schools/ | Oct 02 12:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | "Diversity," "White Supremacist" Among Terms WI GOP Seeks to Ban in Schools | Oct 02 12:48 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #MichaelGeist ☞ Tracking the Submissions: What the Government Heard in its Online Harms Consultation (Since It Refuses to Post Them) https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2021/10/tracking-the-submissions-what-the-government-heard-in-its-online-harms-consultation-since-it-refuses-to-post-them/ | Oct 02 12:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.michaelgeist.ca | Tracking the Submissions: What the Government Heard in its Online Harms Consultation (Since It Refuses to Post Them) - Michael Geist | Oct 02 12:51 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt #Sony ☞ #PS4 Battery Time-Keeping Time-Bomb Silently Patched By Sony; #PS3 Consoles Still Waiting https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210930/10355647667/ps4-battery-time-keeping-time-bomb-silently-patched-sony-ps3-consoles-still-waiting.shtml | Oct 02 12:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PS4 Battery Time-Keeping Time-Bomb Silently Patched By Sony; PS3 Consoles Still Waiting | Techdirt | Oct 02 12:53 | |
| techrights-news | ● NEWS ● #TheNation ☞ By a Huge Margin, #Berlin Votes to Expropriate Corporate Landlords https://www.thenation.com/article/world/berlin-housing-gentrification/ | Oct 02 12:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | By a Huge Margin, Berlin Votes to Expropriate Corporate Landlords | The Nation | Oct 02 12:54 | |
| DaemonFC | https://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/system_configuration | Oct 02 12:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.linuxaudio.org | System configuration [Linux-Sound] | Oct 02 12:58 | |
| DaemonFC | Good information. Yes, in very old kernels (2.6 series), I was using realtime packages. | Oct 02 12:58 |
| techrights-news | "If you use #Microsoft in part of your infrastructure, you will get hacked. The question is not 'If', the question is 'When'". https://mastodon.sdf.org/@ParadeGrotesque/107022485698968739 | Oct 02 12:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.sdf.org | Parade du Grotesque 💀: "I will say it again and again and again and... "…" - Mastodon @ SDF | Oct 02 12:59 | |
| techrights-news | #microsoft and #billgates killed public #education (other parties did the same). "In general, I'm amazed at how little most people know about most stuff." https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@lightweight/107018200242924733 | Oct 02 13:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.nzoss.nz | Dave Lane: "I must agree, this is very scary. https://www.tec…" - Mastodon - NZOSS | Oct 02 13:00 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, "Secure Boot" retard, mjg59_ thinks that it's great, even though more than a decade in, people are still escaping locked bootloaders, even when the code is much better than this fucking PC shit. | Oct 02 13:01 |
| techrights-news | "Google is aware the exploits for CVE-2021-37975 and CVE-2021-37976 exist in the wild." https://bsd.network/@florian/107025491176309290 #google and #security are opposites because Google works for the "security state", which mandates back door access. | Oct 02 13:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bsd.network | florian :flan_hacker:: "Google is aware the exploits for CVE-2021-37975 a…" - BSD Network | Oct 02 13:01 | |
| DaemonFC | "Fix your goddamned bugs!" is apparently too difficult a concept in order to prevent attacks. | Oct 02 13:01 |
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| DaemonFC | You have to use shitty firmware with bugs that subvert your "security features" in the firmware. | Oct 02 13:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | computers become more nasty over time | Oct 02 13:02 |
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| schestowitz-TR | to fix this, it helps to get somewhat old PCs | Oct 02 13:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | they're also offloaded onto us cheaply | Oct 02 13:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | I can get a decent machine for 100 pounds | Oct 02 13:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | and configure it for me in under an hour | Oct 02 13:02 |
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| schestowitz-TR | barrier/synergy, apt-get with many packages that I want in one single command | Oct 02 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | then enlist it into the hive | Oct 02 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | I use 5 PCs at the moment | Oct 02 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | connected to one mouse, one keyboard | Oct 02 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | Most modern software is overflowing with bugs. | Oct 02 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | one of them functions as head-ful server with a large screen for monitoring | Oct 02 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | I'd hate to say it's never been worse, but it has (1990s). | Oct 02 13:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | Debian 10 will be good for several more years | Oct 02 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | My tricked out Windows 98 was actually quite stable. | Oct 02 13:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | they don't need to fix much, just don't break anything (or too much) | Oct 02 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | I almost never had to reboot it. | Oct 02 13:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | Windows 98 was a toy | Oct 02 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft made it incredibly unstable with the IE Shell update, Internet Explorer, and other trash. | Oct 02 13:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | I used it for winamp and stuff | Oct 02 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | Removing the garbage and getting Windows 98 down to size and using the Windows 95 OSR 2.1 shell made it pretty okay for what it was. | Oct 02 13:05 |
| techrights-news | "The fact that a small minority of ebookshops (and it is very small) use DRM, while also holding a monopoly on ebook sales (through vertical integration with ereaders), means they're seen as the norm, when in fact they're not." https://mstdn.io/@bryanblood/107019342082981868 | Oct 02 13:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mstdn.io | 🩸Bryan Blood🩸: "@libreture@mastodon.social More anecdotal as it i…" - Mastodon | Oct 02 13:05 | |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: do you want us to syndicate some of your articles in TR, e.g. if they are about general issues and less personal? | Oct 02 13:06 |
| DaemonFC | About 2/3rds of the entire Windows 98 OS, as measured by on disk footprint, was junk and trash that Microsoft threw in there that really had no purpose. | Oct 02 13:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | for example, an article about UEFI 'secure boot' | Oct 02 13:06 |
| DaemonFC | <schestowitz-TR> DaemonFC: do you want us to syndicate some of your articles in TR, e.g. if they are about general issues and less personal? | Oct 02 13:06 |
| DaemonFC | Sure. | Oct 02 13:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | Windows came with clipart | Oct 02 13:06 |
| schestowitz-TR | you might think it belongs outside an OS | Oct 02 13:06 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, I might write about Lenovo recommending that you turn off Secure Boot in their own instruction manual. | Oct 02 13:07 |
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| schestowitz-TR | that sounds interesting | Oct 02 13:07 |
| DaemonFC | And include the PDF so they can't delete it to prevent embarrassment later. | Oct 02 13:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | we've not covered uefi in a while | Oct 02 13:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | the secure boot issue did not go away | Oct 02 13:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | so maybe they try to appease Windows/Micropsoft | Oct 02 13:07 |
| schestowitz-TR | for OEM discountsa | Oct 02 13:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | but then say, actually, don't do that | Oct 02 13:08 |
| techrights-news | "No #CCC congress in Leipzig this year, again. It's sad but the only acceptable solution." https://mastodon.social/@_xhr_/107025694103457702 | Oct 02 13:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Matthias Schmidt: "No #CCC congress in Leipzig this year, again. It'…" - Mastodon | Oct 02 13:08 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/tp_p1_gen2_ubuntu_18.04_lts_installation_v1.0.pdf | Oct 02 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | Lenovo: Turn off Secure Boot and Intel VMD to install Linux. | Oct 02 13:09 |
| techrights-news | "CIA plan to poison Assange wasn’t needed. The US found a ‘lawful’ way to disappear him" https://mas.to/@lydiaconwell/107024690263809845 | Oct 02 13:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lydia Conwell: "CIA plan to poison Assange wasn’t needed. The US …" - mas.to | Oct 02 13:09 | |
| DaemonFC | Secure Boot is pointless, especially on a Linux system where you're unlikely to run into actual malware unless you're just plain stupid. | Oct 02 13:10 |
| techrights-news | "weighed up whether to use wholly extrajudicial means to deal with the supposed threat posed by Julian Assange and his whistleblowers’ platform Wikileaks. The agency plotted either to kidnap or assassinate him." https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2021-09-30/us-plans-poison-assange/ | Oct 02 13:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jonathan-cook.net | CIA plan to poison Assange wasn’t needed. The US found a ‘lawful’ way to disappear him | Oct 02 13:10 | |
| DaemonFC | What, all 5-6 pieces of it in the last 20 years? Windows gets that in less than an hour! | Oct 02 13:10 |
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| DaemonFC | And in most cases where there was a Linux malware example, you had to actually install it going against best practices. | Oct 02 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | It didn't just suddenly appear and go HAHAHA! We encrypted your files! Pay up, chump! | Oct 02 13:11 |
| schestowitz-TR | yes, I agree | Oct 02 13:12 |
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| techrights-news | Don't ever forgot the role played by #theguardian in the kidnapping of #assange ... by fabricating things and blackmailing people into sacrificing him. #boycottGuardian .. don't worry, they'll survive because #famousCriminal #billgates is bankrolling them for PR and silence. | Oct 02 13:14 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▇▃▆▁▂▅▄▄▅▅▅▅▆▅▆▅▃▄▄▅▆▅▃▃▇▄▃▅▅▄▁ avg(k/sec) 22.53 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▁▂▂▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 9.81▕ swarm size (avg): 257.85 ⟲ | Oct 02 13:16 |
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| techrights-news | #ProprietarySoftware and #Security Leftovers • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156345 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Oct 02 13:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software and Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Oct 02 13:29 | |
| techrights-news | Discover the three major #CentOS clones • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156346 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #IBM | Oct 02 13:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Discover the three major CentOS clones | Tux Machines | Oct 02 13:29 | |
| techrights-news | #Programming Leftovers • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156347 | Oct 02 13:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Oct 02 13:29 | |
| techrights-news | Today’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156348 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Oct 02 13:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Oct 02 13:30 | |
| techrights-news | #ibm is partnering with #microsoft through #Kyndryl so prepare to be disgusted and move to other distros, #freesw etc. IBM is not our friend! http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/ibm-led-mob/ | Oct 02 13:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] IBM is NOT a Friend of Free Software | Techrights | Oct 02 13:32 | |
| techrights-news | Links 2/10/2021: #OpenBSD Explained, Monthly Fortran Report, and More • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/10/02/monthly-fortran-report/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/02/monthly-fortran-report/ | Oct 02 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 2/10/2021: OpenBSD Explained, Monthly Fortran Report, and More | Techrights | Oct 02 13:35 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/tp_p15_p17_p1_gen3_ubuntu_20.04_lts_installation_v1.0.pdf | Oct 02 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to be quoting this. | Oct 02 13:36 |
| techrights-news | Remember that the #ibm "we're against racism" facade is nothing but a smokescreen that attempts to distract from the REALITY of IBM. http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Racism | Oct 02 13:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM - Techrights | Oct 02 13:37 | |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: good, it's an important subject | Oct 02 13:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | should I download it or you? | Oct 02 13:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | if we repost this, better copy the document over from wordpress.com as Lenovo can issue DMCA for censorship | Oct 02 13:38 |
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| DaemonFC | https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/02/microsoft-secure-boot-and-intel-vmd-is-pointless-on-gnu-linux-and-lenovos-documentation-recommends-that-you-turn-them-off/ | Oct 02 14:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Microsoft Secure Boot and Intel VMD is pointless on GNU/Linux and Lenovo’s documentation recommends that you turn them off. – BaronHK's Rants | Oct 02 14:08 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, How's this? | Oct 02 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, I took screenshots of the documentation. | Oct 02 14:09 |
| DaemonFC | Do you think I should do this some other way and repost? | Oct 02 14:10 |
| techrights-news | Angela #Merkel ’s Coalition Has Not Helped #EPO Staff and Not Even Bloggers Blackmailed by EPO Management http://techrights.org/2021/10/02/merkel-epo-legacy/ #eu #germany #de | Oct 02 14:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Angela Merkel’s Coalition Has Not Helped EPO Staff and Not Even Bloggers Blackmailed by EPO Management | Techrights | Oct 02 14:12 | |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: screenshot is good | Oct 02 14:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | I will add the PDF | Oct 02 14:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe not in wordpress | Oct 02 14:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | because... DMCA | Oct 02 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | I think screenshots should be fair use since I'm making a critical comment about their documentation. | Oct 02 14:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | yeah | Oct 02 14:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | but the copy is backup | Oct 02 14:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | after a few years those corporations shuffle and remove things | Oct 02 14:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | so raw evidence in old articla vanishes | Oct 02 14:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | sometimes people contact me because they sued Microsoft | Oct 02 14:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then need pointer to material which supports them | Oct 02 14:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | internet archive/wayback machine doesn't always keep large objects | Oct 02 14:14 |
| gustaf | activelow: looked at guix? | Oct 02 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, I tweaked it a bit. | Oct 02 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | "In the past 20 years, GNU/Linux has had fewer viruses and worms than you can count on your fingers which were even worth mentioning. None of them “just happened”, either. You had to defy GNU/Linux best practices of getting signed packages from your distribution or other trusted source,and grab random unsigned software from some internet site and jam it in somehow. | Oct 02 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | Grabbing random things from the internet and hoping for the best is how most software gets installed on Windows." | Oct 02 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, AppX is so bad it's hysterical. | Oct 02 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | It's basically what enables all of that bloated trash in the start menu. | Oct 02 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | iexpore -channelband for Windows 10 | Oct 02 14:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | microsoft stole X | Oct 02 14:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | not X server | Oct 02 14:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | activeX | Oct 02 14:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | directX | Oct 02 14:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | aspx | Oct 02 14:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | all the worst junk | Oct 02 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | DirectX isn't particularly badly designed, at least not the later versions, but it is non-standard and it isn't _better_ than Vulkan, which is open and standardized. | Oct 02 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | So I'd say if you're developing for Windows, why not target Vulkan? | Oct 02 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | If you port your application later, you don't have to worry about it not working on GNU/Linux, it has Vulkan obviously. | Oct 02 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | The Mac has MoltenVK, so you don't need to worry about rewriting a bunch of code pointlessly for Apple's Metal API. | Oct 02 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | There's just no particularly compelling reason for a developer to choose DirectX or Metal. | Oct 02 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | All they do is tie your hands. | Oct 02 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | That's the only reason they exist. | Oct 02 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | DirectX is the same sort of shit as LibreOffice having to figure out how to use OOXML. | Oct 02 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | OOXML adds nothing except a pain in the ass for people who need to implement compatibility with MS Office. | Oct 02 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | It makes it hard to get any acceptance of ODF. | Oct 02 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, I saw something last night about MS Office 2021. | Oct 02 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | It's going to cost $149 per license for Home and Student. The Business version is exactly the same thing, but costs $100 more per license for you to be allowed to use it in your business. | Oct 02 14:34 |
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| DaemonFC | The list of improvements is tiny, and one of the ones that was listed was ODF 1.3, which is the native format of LibreOffice. And I'm sure MS Office still deliberately botches ODF. | Oct 02 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | The only reason it's in there is because it helps them sell to governments that mandate compatibility with it. | Oct 02 14:35 |
| DaemonFC | So they'll just do the worst job they can for compliance purposes. | Oct 02 14:35 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, Tweaked a bit more. | Oct 02 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | "This is another reason why dual booting with Windows is unwise and you should just let GNU/Linux completely take over the PC. Not only does Windows ultimately end up hosing Grub and causing both systems to fail, but these key revocations can be pushed by Windows Update with total disregard for whether GNU/Linux will boot up again." | Oct 02 14:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | exactly | Oct 02 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | With Secure Boot turned on it's even dangerous to dual boot different GNU/Linux distributions. | Oct 02 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | As soon as one updates the dbx, the other one may not work. | Oct 02 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | So dual booting is just not good anymore. If you do it, turn Secure Boot off for sure. | Oct 02 14:43 |
| techrights-news | [Meme] Margot Forgot #UPC Facts http://techrights.org/2021/10/02/upc-facts/ #unitarypatent #unifiedpatentcourt #corruption #crime | Oct 02 14:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Margot Forgot UPC Facts | Techrights | Oct 02 14:43 | |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: at least you saw and experimented with it very recently | Oct 02 14:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | you also had that wifi issue where it doesn't turn off | Oct 02 14:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's also noteworthy | Oct 02 14:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | they're trying hard to infect hardware with malware | Oct 02 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, if you dual booted, you'd need to turn off "Fast Boot" on Windows for sure, but even that won't help you because there's a million ways to get things done, including sabotage. | Oct 02 14:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | [13:32] <techrights-news> #ibm is partnering with #microsoft through #Kyndryl so prepare to be disgusted and move to other distros, #freesw etc. IBM is not our friend! http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/ibm-led-mob/ | Oct 02 14:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] IBM is NOT a Friend of Free Software | Techrights | Oct 02 14:45 | |
| schestowitz-TR | (Red Hat) | Oct 02 14:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | where mjg59_ got his salary at the time | Oct 02 14:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | they had already begun working for Microsoft in 2011 | Oct 02 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know which is more fragile. mjg59_ or uEFI | Oct 02 14:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | or 2010, maybe 2009 | Oct 02 14:45 |
| MinceR | it's so great that now even stuff sold as "Linux distributions" can betray you to microsoft and get dbx updates from them to lock you out of your own property | Oct 02 14:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | depending on what you count | Oct 02 14:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | they all work for Pentagon interests | Oct 02 14:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | "that's where the money is" | Oct 02 14:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | attacking the poor | Oct 02 14:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | attacking the minorities | Oct 02 14:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | attacking women | Oct 02 14:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | so of course theu use projection tactics | Oct 02 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | "Waaah you hurt someone's feewings! NYAH NYAH NYAH!!!!!! I'll be offended for them!" - mjg59_ | Oct 02 14:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | they pre-empmptivem claim to protect these groups | Oct 02 14:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | utter lie of course | Oct 02 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | Whereas someone can be a corporation. | Oct 02 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | These fuckfaces are taking over Fedora. | Oct 02 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | I got accused of potentially hurting Nvidia's feelings. | Oct 02 14:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | what do you mean taking over | Oct 02 14:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | Fedora has long been like this | Oct 02 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia doesn't have feelings, because it's not a person. But that didn't stop the CoC warning. | Oct 02 14:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | Red Hat is just another bloody pentagon contactor | Oct 02 14:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | just like Microsoft and Google | Oct 02 14:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | sometimes they managed to fool their own staff into thinking they make the world a better place (to drop bombs on) | Oct 02 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | I don't remember Fedora being this bad with the CoCsuckers years ago. | Oct 02 14:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | like Ariadne blogged, not they have anthems and stuff | Oct 02 14:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | like nationalism | Oct 02 14:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | but for corporatios | Oct 02 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft CoC suckers. | Oct 02 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | Man, those suckers sure fell for Microsoft's CoC. | Oct 02 14:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | you can be taken out of context here | Oct 02 14:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | for the record, DaemonFC is gay | Oct 02 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | I am, and I have a sense of humor. | Oct 02 14:49 |
| MinceR | 02 154703 < DaemonFC> These fuckfaces are taking over Fedora. | Oct 02 14:49 |
| MinceR | fedora was always owned by rh | Oct 02 14:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | yeah | Oct 02 14:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | they did treat some contributors nicely | Oct 02 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | not just red ha staff, but that was ages ago | Oct 02 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | someone from red hat recently told me they always stacked the fedora council to have corporate mnajority | Oct 02 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | this way red hat always gets its way | Oct 02 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | ubuntu also had a council | Oct 02 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | It's wordplay and even if you did take it seriously, it's not like having sex with someone should be a scandal. We should be past that. Enlightened 21st century people, you know. | Oct 02 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | it recently 'restored' it | Oct 02 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | of course it has no impact | Oct 02 14:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | I've not heard anything about it in months | Oct 02 14:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | mere illusion of facade of community | Oct 02 14:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | ubuntu poscast collapses 2 days ago | Oct 02 14:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | mothballed for good | Oct 02 14:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | final episode | Oct 02 14:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | after so many years | Oct 02 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | Those councils are fake. They always put their own people on it as a majority and tell them how to vote. | Oct 02 14:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | yeah | Oct 02 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | And then nothing can ever go awry. | Oct 02 14:51 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/we-build-fedora-and-then-ibm-blacklists-us/ | Oct 02 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Imperialistic Blacklist Machines: Racist IBM and Red Hat — Just Like Donald Trump — Have Turned Fedora Into an Utterly Racist Project That Blacklists, Shuns and Permanently Bans People Based on Their Nationality Alone | Techrights | Oct 02 14:52 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/04/03/fedora-f-for-fascism-and-not-freedom/ | Oct 02 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Fedora Council is Just a Mouthpiece and Instrument of IBM Management, It Doesn’t Speak For (What Used to Be) Fedora Project/Community | Techrights | Oct 02 14:52 | |
| DaemonFC | I used to see so many cases where all the Red Hat employees would vote one way and all of the Community Members took the opposing view, and Red Hat won the vote. | Oct 02 14:52 |
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| DaemonFC | And a few times where 1 Red Hat employee would join the Community, and then Red Hat corporate would just veto the council and do what they wanted anyway. | Oct 02 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | It's a ruse. | Oct 02 14:52 |
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| DaemonFC | There's never been a way to win a technical argument at the Council level in Fedora where Red Hat cares one way or the other. | Oct 02 14:53 |
| techrights-news | #EPO : Organised crime, run by literal criminals (white-collar criminals), protected by the government of #germany and top #eu officials. Are we governed by people who protect us from crime? No, by criminals. http://techrights.org/wiki/EPO | Oct 02 14:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Oct 02 14:55 | |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: they also infilktrate other groups | Oct 02 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | "Linux is about choice and that's why I'm choosing to ignore your bug report about an issue that only occurs when you choose to use a non-default desktop environment" - mjg59_ | Oct 02 14:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | 1. they pay them | Oct 02 14:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | 2. they enter their boards | Oct 02 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | LOL, yes this is Fedora's attitude on KDE. | Oct 02 14:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | one example of many is OSI | Oct 02 14:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | they stack all the decks | Oct 02 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | That and giving ownership of it to people who use Edge on Windows. | Oct 02 14:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | and they they run hate campaigns in "community" clothing | Oct 02 14:56 |
| MinceR | are you saying this is not an ibm site? >> http://islinuxaboutchoice.com/ | Oct 02 14:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-islinuxaboutchoice.com | Is Linux About Choice? | Oct 02 14:56 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, I wish Fedora would just drop KDE if they won't package it right. | Oct 02 14:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | IBM abandoned KDE | Oct 02 14:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | the moment it bought Red Hat | Oct 02 14:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | they didn't want you to notice | Oct 02 14:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | hence the timing | Oct 02 14:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | RHEL dropped official support for KDE | Oct 02 14:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | they found out there are "kio slaves" | Oct 02 14:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | and IBM got a hard-on | Oct 02 14:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | and felt guilty about it | Oct 02 14:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | so they had to shoot KDE to death | Oct 02 14:58 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 02 14:58 |
| techrights-news | 5 minutes ago: "This has been the root cause of #IBM problem. They kept promoting people based on who knows whom from their own circle, and now the majority of IBM management (FLM to senior leadership levels) have no clue who actually delivers quality work, let alone identify the right candidates who potentially can from the resumes." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1d1GiutU | Oct 02 14:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Can Companies Have a Hybrid Workplace—and Keep Things Fair? - post regarding IBM layoffs | Oct 02 14:59 | |
| techrights-news | Dear #corruptMedia : #microsoft giving #vendorLockin or #ProprietarySoftware with #surveillance is NOT "donation". It's like pooing in somebody's garden, then insisting "it is a gift..." | Oct 02 15:01 |
| techrights-news | No, the movement is #GNU (and #linux is not a movement) https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/VMWARE-INC-58476/news/The-Soul-of-the-Movement-30-Years-of-Linux-Part-1-36563433/ | Oct 02 15:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Soul of the Movement: 30 Years of Linux (Part 1) | MarketScreener | Oct 02 15:03 | |
| techrights-news | So many puff pieces pretending that the operating system, #gnu #linux (no, a kernel alone isn't an OS), turns 30. Last week GNU turned 38. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154866#comment-31238 | Oct 02 15:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Happy 30th Birthday, Linux! | Tux Machines | Oct 02 15:04 | |
| techrights-news | #microsoft 'charm offensive' against #freesw is no better than #jeffreyEpstein and #billgates scheming to confuse us that screwing young girls and trafficking them for sex is no worse than "stealing a bagel" http://techrights.org/2020/10/11/bagel-reports-as-images/ | Oct 02 15:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Trafficking Thousands of Underage Women/Girls for Sex is Not (and Was Never Ever) ‘No Worse Than Stealing a Bagel’ | Techrights | Oct 02 15:06 | |
| DaemonFC | https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/02/if-fedora-wont-package-kde-properly-they-should-drop-the-packages-and-tell-people-to-use-some-other-operating-system/ | Oct 02 15:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | If Fedora won’t package KDE properly, they should drop the packages and tell people to use some other operating system. – BaronHK's Rants | Oct 02 15:08 | |
| techrights-news | OK, OK. #linux operating system (GNU/Linux) is 30. Like America the continent only began to exist the moment Europeans set foot on it. http://techrights.org/2013/09/20/wilful-omissions/ | Oct 02 15:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation’s Big Lie: ‘Linux’ is 22 Years Old | Techrights | Oct 02 15:08 | |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: you have run afoul of the IBM CoC | Oct 02 15:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | you are banished | Oct 02 15:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | IBM "now, back to bombing people..." | Oct 02 15:09 |
| schestowitz | https://quillette.com/2021/09/29/a-peek-inside-corporate-americas-ascendant-woke-industrial-complex/ | Oct 02 15:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-quillette.com | A Peek Inside Corporate America’s Ascendant Woke-Industrial Complex | Oct 02 15:10 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I just stop buying anything that goes woke. | Oct 02 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | Choke a Cola said be less white. | Oct 02 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | Well, then they don't need any of my white dollars I guess. | Oct 02 15:11 |
| techrights-news | #GNU Core Utilities 9.0: Slight improvements for most free systems http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156054#comment-31239 used more than Linux! | Oct 02 15:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU Core Utilities 9.0 | Tux Machines | Oct 02 15:12 | |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: the PR 'advisors' told them to say it | Oct 02 15:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | also see: Mozilla Corp. | Oct 02 15:12 |
| schestowitz-TR | I'm sure those Coke dollars are going through the roof during pandemic | Oct 02 15:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | people don't need bread, just water with caramel and ddt | Oct 02 15:13 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/09/26/4bbe0c686b9786cd.jpg | Oct 02 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | It's incredibly racist to be racist against white people, but as far as the left thinks, you can fix racism with more racism. mjg59_ | Oct 02 15:13 |
| MinceR | they put DDT in your coke? | Oct 02 15:14 |
| techrights-news | #cats #tent #caturday https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/09/26/4bbe0c686b9786cd.jpg | Oct 02 15:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | MinceR: iirc, the '\diet' ones | Oct 02 15:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | a diet of chemicals | Oct 02 15:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | very special diet | Oct 02 15:14 |
| schestowitz-TR | you lose weight when you are dead, fast | Oct 02 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | I'm kind of sick of all of thise BLM garbage being thrown up in my face by these woke crapitalists. | Oct 02 15:15 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/ | Oct 02 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | It excuses not paying their black employees very well, I guess. | Oct 02 15:15 |
| MinceR | schestowitz-TR: pretty sure aspartame and acesulfame-K are not DDT | Oct 02 15:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights | Oct 02 15:15 | |
| schestowitz | "the problem is, at the FSF the staff and Board are 18 people in total, 4 out of whom female (22.22% of the whole) and Red Hat’s Board had only one female in it before it added a second in 2008." | Oct 02 15:15 |
| schestowitz | woke | Oct 02 15:15 |
| schestowitz | mjg59_'s employer | Oct 02 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | mjg59_ works for a very progressive company. They pay their black employees, all none of them, exactly the same in theory. | Oct 02 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Oct 02 15:16 |
| MinceR | i don't think that's their actual problem with the FSF | Oct 02 15:16 |
| schestowitz | tyhey don't employ blacks | Oct 02 15:16 |
| schestowitz | they just talk about it | Oct 02 15:16 |
| schestowitz | and put their faces in brochures | Oct 02 15:16 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▆▃▃▅▆▅▇▅▄▆▃▆▅▂▅▆▄▅▃▇▄█▄▄▅▇▃▄▄▃▄▇▁ avg(k/sec) 35.41 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▁▂▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 15.65▕ swarm size (avg): 257.86 ⟲ | Oct 02 15:16 |
| MinceR | it's more the ratio of ibm moles in the FSF board that's too low for them | Oct 02 15:16 |
| schestowitz | or give them low-paying jobs | Oct 02 15:16 |
| schestowitz | not engineering | Oct 02 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | No, they don't, and mjg59_ attacks Stallman when Stallman himself hired a black man to write GNU BASH. | Oct 02 15:16 |
| schestowitz | "we employ blacks" [janitors] | Oct 02 15:17 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/14/linux-foundation-with-zero-african-american-employees-in-a-country-where-13-4-identify-as-african-american-boasts-about-its-support-for-the-black-community/ | Oct 02 15:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation, With Zero African-American Employees (in a Country Where 13.4% Identify as African-American), Boasts About Its “Support for the Black Community” | Techrights | Oct 02 15:17 | |
| schestowitz | they write TWEETS about blacks | Oct 02 15:17 |
| schestowitz | but don't give them jobs | Oct 02 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | Do you think that black people who are actually college educated and who are being set back in their careers by patronizing bullshit artists like mjg59_ are a bit offended by him? | Oct 02 15:17 |
| schestowitz | [15:16] <MinceR> it's more the ratio of ibm moles in the FSF board that's too low for them | Oct 02 15:18 |
| schestowitz | that too | Oct 02 15:18 |
| schestowitz | but don't worry, many people see through the BS | Oct 02 15:18 |
| schestowitz | that's why "Establishment" left like Biden struggle | Oct 02 15:18 |
| schestowitz | they go too far for corporate pseudo-wokeness | Oct 02 15:19 |
| schestowitz | and people are put off | Oct 02 15:19 |
| schestowitz | esp. minorities and women | Oct 02 15:19 |
| schestowitz | those big corporations don't speak for them | Oct 02 15:19 |
| schestowitz | they hijack them for identity politics stunts | Oct 02 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | Distrowatch blogged about how there's an immutable Fedora KDE variant now. | Oct 02 15:19 |
| schestowitz | and those ploys alienate those who voices get stolen | Oct 02 15:19 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: was? | Oct 02 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | I wish they'd bother to get it working before they went and fucked with it to use rpm-ostree. | Oct 02 15:19 |
| schestowitz | fedora lost many projects | Oct 02 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | But that's totally like my opinion. | Oct 02 15:20 |
| schestowitz | or they didn't official end them | Oct 02 15:20 |
| schestowitz | but no progress reported | Oct 02 15:20 |
| schestowitz | esp. their spins | Oct 02 15:20 |
| schestowitz | silverblue is mentioned maybe once a month | Oct 02 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | I don't really like the idea of an immutable system, myself. | Oct 02 15:20 |
| schestowitz | to IBM, Fedora is the "world's lab" | Oct 02 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | It just seems kind of dumb. | Oct 02 15:20 |
| schestowitz | they hope to trick some people into becoming IBM volunteers | Oct 02 15:20 |
| schestowitz | package things like php for IBM | Oct 02 15:20 |
| schestowitz | (talking abouit Remi Collet) | Oct 02 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | You have to do something bad to damage the filesystem root and then that's a learning experiment. | Oct 02 15:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: so drive your disk out of space | Oct 02 15:21 |
| schestowitz | or the partition | Oct 02 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | I get why Macs do it. To prevent the herp derp I eat paint chips people from damaging it. | Oct 02 15:21 |
| schestowitz | see how far you go :-) | Oct 02 15:21 |
| schestowitz | one of my machine ran out of space 2 days ago | Oct 02 15:21 |
| schestowitz | I noticed because the browser lost all its settings | Oct 02 15:21 |
| schestowitz | so I knew it had run out of space again | Oct 02 15:22 |
| schestowitz | it's not a critical machine at all | Oct 02 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I noticed on Firefox's flatpak version, it generally runs okay, but fonts are ugly on some pages. | Oct 02 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder when debian will push 91 ESR. | Oct 02 15:22 |
| schestowitz | pages have FONTS? | Oct 02 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | Not that I'm using it a lot now. | Oct 02 15:22 |
| schestowitz | your system should specify the fonts | Oct 02 15:22 |
| schestowitz | lagrange added some lovely fonts | Oct 02 15:22 |
| schestowitz | and they suit you | Oct 02 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, One of the features of Epiphany/GNOME Web is that no remote fonts are supported. | Oct 02 15:22 |
| XRevan86 | "what does that say?" – "September 18th Richard Stallman in Kiev made a presentation "Free software and the General Public Licence GNU GPL" The recording of the presentation is available at http://techrights.org/2021/09/21/rms-ukraine-talk/ For translation one can go to the Yandex application or browser (?)" | Oct 02 15:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman’s First Public Talk (Delivered in Person) in Years, Now With a Free Format | Techrights | Oct 02 15:23 | |
| DaemonFC | The browser uses local fonts only, because that's what Webkit does. | Oct 02 15:23 |
| schestowitz | not GoogleFonts.TLD, which you are forced to download to read just one article! | Oct 02 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | Apple says remote fonts are a tracking antifeature and bad for security. | Oct 02 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | Well, they aren't wrong. | Oct 02 15:23 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: thanks | Oct 02 15:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's true | Oct 02 15:23 |
| schestowitz | it's also true that Apple spies | Oct 02 15:23 |
| schestowitz | but they're posers | Oct 02 15:23 |
| schestowitz | like Mozilla | Oct 02 15:23 |
| schestowitz | spy | Oct 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | and then keep talking about spying being wrong | Oct 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | mjg59_ does that too, all the time | Oct 02 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I don't much like Firefox. | Oct 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | "I'm for security" | Oct 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | [attacks security] | Oct 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | "I support inclusion" | Oct 02 15:24 |
| MinceR | locking you into windows is security, don't you know. | Oct 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | [works for companies that include women and children in carpet-bombing] | Oct 02 15:24 |
| MinceR | do you know what else is security? DRM! | Oct 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | yeah,some 'security' | Oct 02 15:25 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 02 15:25 |
| schestowitz | not YOUR 'financial secuirty' | Oct 02 15:25 |
| schestowitz | "PROTECTED" content | Oct 02 15:25 |
| schestowitz | "protected from who??" | Oct 02 15:25 |
| schestowitz | "FROM YOU!!" | Oct 02 15:25 |
| schestowitz | You protect CONTENT?? | Oct 02 15:25 |
| schestowitz | It has FEELINGS? | Oct 02 15:25 |
| MinceR | if corporations can have feelings then content can have feelings, too | Oct 02 15:26 |
| schestowitz | anyway, much of this agenda and narrative is in a freefall | Oct 02 15:26 |
| schestowitz | people are not GULLIBLE or dumb ENOUGH :-D | Oct 02 15:26 |
| schestowitz | So it backfires on the real movements | Oct 02 15:26 |
| schestowitz | not you have nasty fascists who uses words like "mfeminazi" | Oct 02 15:27 |
| MinceR | give them a decade or two, i guess | Oct 02 15:27 |
| schestowitz | that's the legacy of pseudo-woke | Oct 02 15:27 |
| schestowitz | they incite people against feminists | Oct 02 15:27 |
| MinceR | people are getting stupider all the time | Oct 02 15:27 |
| schestowitz | and many feminists are wrongluy presumed corporate "assets" | Oct 02 15:27 |
| schestowitz | this does not help women at all | Oct 02 15:27 |
| schestowitz | many think blacks are offended by "master" git branch | Oct 02 15:27 |
| schestowitz | I never met such a person | Oct 02 15:28 |
| schestowitz | and many wonders if they exist AT ALL | Oct 02 15:28 |
| schestowitz | "gee, I cannot push my ptch" | Oct 02 15:28 |
| schestowitz | "the branch is called "master".." | Oct 02 15:28 |
| schestowitz | I bet you nobody ever thought that | Oct 02 15:28 |
| schestowitz | until Intel, IBM and the criminals who run such companies (Craig, Otellini etc.) decided they need a narrative inversion | Oct 02 15:29 |
| schestowitz | corporations as 'force for good' | Oct 02 15:29 |
| MinceR | they shouldn't push to master anyway | Oct 02 15:29 |
| MinceR | they should push to their own development branch | Oct 02 15:29 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 02 15:30 |
| schestowitz | that takes education | Oct 02 15:30 |
| schestowitz | harder than signing up for some Google program | Oct 02 15:30 |
| schestowitz | BTW, those rarely yield any long-term benefit | Oct 02 15:30 |
| schestowitz | mostly PR | Oct 02 15:30 |
| schestowitz | those who participate rarely stick around after those summers of work | Oct 02 15:30 |
| schestowitz | they leave the Gulag the moment Google stops paying them | Oct 02 15:31 |
| schestowitz | and leave low-quality code behind them | Oct 02 15:31 |
| schestowitz | sometimes the mentors throw it awayc | Oct 02 15:31 |
| schestowitz | concerns over ability to maintain such code in the long run | Oct 02 15:31 |
| schestowitz | so developmenty time might be wasted | Oct 02 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Gulag can put in brochure "supported group x with prgramme y" | Oct 02 15:32 |
| schestowitz | and that's just the goal really | Oct 02 15:32 |
| schestowitz | https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/1/22703263/google-lawyer-argues-bing-used-find-google-top-search-defaults https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-28/google-tells-judges-it-s-so-popular-it-s-bing-s-top-search-term | Oct 02 15:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Google says Bing users search for Google more than anything else - The Verge | Oct 02 15:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? | Oct 02 15:32 | |
| schestowitz | two evil companies competing | Oct 02 15:32 |
| schestowitz | over who gets to spy on what you think | Oct 02 15:32 |
| schestowitz | or want to know | Oct 02 15:32 |
| schestowitz | so they can put together mental diaries and sell them | Oct 02 15:33 |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/08/25/24a4a077babe2fc9.mp4 | Oct 02 15:34 |
| schestowitz | very japanese | Oct 02 15:36 |
| schestowitz-TR | MinceR: he's trying the shirt off at the end | Oct 02 15:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | but they cut it short | Oct 02 15:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | so you don't heard "Shirt" | Oct 02 15:37 |
| MinceR | sure :> | Oct 02 15:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | he was "watching p" | Oct 02 15:37 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Accurate anime portrayal. | Oct 02 15:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | battle scenes | Oct 02 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | "The U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is asking for feedback on new proposed rules to crack down on SIM swapping and number port-out fraud, increasingly prevalent scams in which identity thieves hijack a target’s mobile phone number and use that to wrest control over the victim’s online identity. | Oct 02 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | " | Oct 02 15:38 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: http://techrights.org/2021/04/11/rms-anime/ | Oct 02 15:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | “The Fighters of Freedom” | Techrights | Oct 02 15:38 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, T-Mobile had some account takeover prevention thing I signed us up for. | Oct 02 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | You have to call and tell T-Mobile if you ever want to port your numbers out, and do identity verification stuff. | Oct 02 15:39 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Sugoi | Oct 02 15:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | XRevan86: Don't know it/him/her | Oct 02 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | not following anime | Oct 02 15:44 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It's a Japanese word. | Oct 02 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | tea with sugoi? | Oct 02 15:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne and I went to a korean restaurant and I asked for sugar for the tea | Oct 02 15:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | the waiter says, "shugaa?" | Oct 02 15:45 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sugoi#English :) | Oct 02 15:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | sugoi - Wiktionary | Oct 02 15:45 | |
| schestowitz-TR | in a a very hangul accent | Oct 02 15:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | they don't expect people to want sweetness in that drink | Oct 02 15:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | anyway, their food was not particularly tasted and they went out of business fast | Oct 02 15:46 |
| techrights-news | #gpl in action https://wptavern.com/woocommerce-marks-10-year-anniversary-of-forking-jigoshop | Oct 02 15:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wptavern.com | WooCommerce Marks 10 Year Anniversary of Forking Jigoshop – WP Tavern | Oct 02 15:55 | |
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| DaemonFC | <schestowitz-TR> anyway, their food was not particularly tasted and they went out of business fast | Oct 02 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | Many restaurants do go out of business fast, especially now. | Oct 02 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | I liked Bonchon down in Schaumburg. | Oct 02 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | Anyone who can make a dish that's spicy enough to make me gasp for air is okay in my book. | Oct 02 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | Nobody really understands me when I say "And I mean spicy. Like really hot and spicy!". | Oct 02 16:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: depends on how fast you eat | Oct 02 16:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | and whwther you dilute and water break | Oct 02 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | Sometimes the water just makes it worse. | Oct 02 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | Spreads it around. | Oct 02 16:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | with spice | Oct 02 16:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | you can take the water is between | Oct 02 16:03 |
| schestowitz-TR | when the mouth is empty | Oct 02 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-declined-to-implement-16-web-apis-in-safari-due-to-privacy-concerns/ | Oct 02 16:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple declined to implement 16 Web APIs in Safari due to privacy concerns | ZDNet | Oct 02 16:04 | |
| DaemonFC | There's the article about Webkit not implementing some crappy APIs that Google came up with or some other things. | Oct 02 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, it's easy to see why. | Oct 02 16:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | zdcrap | Oct 02 16:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | count their page trackers | Oct 02 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | Most of these APIs are stuff where it forces the developer to write an app instead. | Oct 02 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | Then they can do most of these nasty things to you that they can't do in Safari. | Oct 02 16:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | crAPP | Oct 02 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, I think WebkitGTK is a lot better than Blink. | Oct 02 16:05 |
| schestowitz-TR | like a site, but with access to address book, microphone etc. | Oct 02 16:06 |
| schestowitz | https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/24/on_call/ | Oct 02 16:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Unix turned '£' to '#' in council printouts • The Register | Oct 02 16:06 | |
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| techrights-news | What a dick https://www.laurinburgexchange.com/opinion/53431/dick-tracy-has-turned-90-years-old | Oct 02 16:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.laurinburgexchange.com | Dick Tracy has turned 90 years old | Laurinburg Exchange | Oct 02 16:11 | |
| DaemonFC | McDonalds is pretty cruel, actually. They go "Oh look, you can have two sandwiches for $6, or one for $5. | Oct 02 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | "Hope you brought your app!" | Oct 02 16:15 |
| MinceR | can't you just install it there? | Oct 02 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | Large fries? $3.85 without the app or $1 with the app! | Oct 02 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Basically, McDonalds is kind of weird with their pricing structure. | Oct 02 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | The 2 for $3 spicy McChicken is basically the Spicy Crispy Chicken without tomatoes, but the Spicy Crispy Chicken is $4.99 each, and you can add tomatoes to the spicy McChicken for 20 cents per sandwich. | Oct 02 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | Making them $1.70 each if you buy two. | Oct 02 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | So if you get two spicy McChickens with tomato and a large fries using the app coupon, and a $1 soda, it works out to $5.40 pre-tax, whereas the Spicy Crispy Chicken meal comes with one sandwich, and if you upgrade to a large fries, and get the drink, it comes out to over $8.50 pre-tax. | Oct 02 16:18 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/09/26/d0f1e4a198fcd24e.jpg | Oct 02 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | I was trying to explain how price discrimination works to Mandy. | Oct 02 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | He thinks the $1,800 iPhone is much better because it's expensive. | Oct 02 16:18 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 02 16:19 |
| MinceR | well, it's the only thing it's capable of | Oct 02 16:19 |
| MinceR | being expensive | Oct 02 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | I said, no the cheap one does basically all the same things. They have them at every price because they want to get people to spend as much as they're going to. | Oct 02 16:19 |
| MinceR | oh, and occasionally exploding or turning into a thermite bomb | Oct 02 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | They have a cheap model specifically for people who would otherwise buy an Android phone. | Oct 02 16:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: yes upselling by tiers | Oct 02 16:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | with shallow "added value" | Oct 02 16:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: give the airline example | Oct 02 16:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | extra $1000 to extend your feet for 4 hours | Oct 02 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | I've considered an iPhone SE. | Oct 02 16:20 |
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| DaemonFC | This Samsung crap is getting worse than Apple in many ways. | Oct 02 16:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | you can to the same destination | Oct 02 16:20 |
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| MinceR | you do realize there are other brands, right? | Oct 02 16:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | with wine instead of cranberry 'juice' | Oct 02 16:20 |
| MinceR | (not LG though, sadly.) | Oct 02 16:20 |
| techrights-news | #Moodle #LMS review • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156349 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Oct 02 16:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Moodle LMS review | Tux Machines | Oct 02 16:21 | |
| DaemonFC | T-Mobile just hit me with another firmware update. | Oct 02 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | I just installed one a few days ago. | Oct 02 16:21 |
| techrights-news | #Linus Torvalds, a Finnish Swede who changed computing forever • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156350 #GPL #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachines | Oct 02 16:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linus Torvalds, a Finnish Swede who changed computing forever | Tux Machines | Oct 02 16:21 | |
| techrights-news | #Fedora 35 bridges the gap between the seasoned and the new user • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156351 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Oct 02 16:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora 35 bridges the gap between the seasoned and the new user | Tux Machines | Oct 02 16:22 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, "We are improving the servicing stack. Pray we improve the servicing stack no further!" -Microsoft | Oct 02 16:22 |
| MinceR | android 11 wastes a lot more power than android 10 did | Oct 02 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | These new phones update themselves whether you want it or not. | Oct 02 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | Just like Windows 10. | Oct 02 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | they have buzzwords for it | Oct 02 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | like OTA | Oct 02 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | CIA has OTA also | Oct 02 16:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | they torture you on the plane | Oct 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | over the air | Oct 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | they have "rendition flights" | Oct 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | bill and jeffrey have planes with beds on them | Oct 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | for sex, not sleep | Oct 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | well, not the same planes | Oct 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | but bill's 4 aircrafts are not enough | Oct 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe melinda took all the other one that day | Oct 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | so he took jeff's | Oct 02 16:24 |
| MinceR | can't produce enough CO2 per day with just 4? | Oct 02 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | MinceR: but he says buy veggie burgers | Oct 02 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | while he eats cows | Oct 02 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | and cows are bad | Oct 02 16:25 |
| MinceR | (while lecturing us about how we should live like ascetics) | Oct 02 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | because "methane" | Oct 02 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | they fart | Oct 02 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | he invests in patents on 'veggie' 'meat' | Oct 02 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's the sole motivation | Oct 02 16:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | buying farmland | Oct 02 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | pushing GMO | Oct 02 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | but thankfully the media caught up... mostly this year | Oct 02 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | so we no longer cover it, it's widely covered now | Oct 02 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | and people are angered when they read about it | Oct 02 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | "you need to be careful!" | Oct 02 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | "well, he's dead" | Oct 02 16:26 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe he's senile like his dad already | Oct 02 16:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | because whoever prepared him for that scripted 'interview' did a bad job | Oct 02 16:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | towards the end he goes totally off topic | Oct 02 16:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | "proud of the work blah blah" | Oct 02 16:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | she didn't even ask about that | Oct 02 16:27 |
| schestowitz-TR | and he punches his head like a robot | Oct 02 16:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | at least not bobbing like a pigeon like 23 years easier | Oct 02 16:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | anyway, let's see when he next rears hios ugly head to lecture us on "climate" | Oct 02 16:28 |
| MinceR | he should just hurry up and die | Oct 02 16:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | likely in some other "news" outlet he is sponsoring and controlling | Oct 02 16:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | MinceR: like Steve Jobs | Oct 02 16:28 |
| MinceR | yeah | Oct 02 16:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | now Apple is like a necro-religion | Oct 02 16:29 |
| MinceR | like juche :> | Oct 02 16:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | reminding me a lot of north korea | Oct 02 16:29 |
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| schestowitz-TR | where they're peer-pressured to celebrate "truth and idea(d)" or whatever | Oct 02 16:29 |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXxvEPqhVVw | Oct 02 16:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PyongSublime Frequencies: Radio Pyongyang: Commie Funk And Agit Pop From The Hermit Kingdom - YouTube | Oct 02 16:31 | |
| schestowitz | PyongSublime Frequencies: Radio Pyongyang: Commie Funk And Agit Pop From The Hermit Kingdom - Invidious ⚓ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=UXxvEPqhVVw | Oct 02 16:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | PyongSublime Frequencies: Radio Pyongyang: Commie Funk And Agit Pop From The Hermit Kingdom - Invidious | Oct 02 16:31 | |
| techrights-news | Fedora 35 Beta Linux distribution with GNOME 41 now available for download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156194#comment-31240 | Oct 02 16:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora Linux 35 Beta Released for Public Testing with the GNOME 41 Desktop, Linux Kernel 5.14 | Tux Machines | Oct 02 16:35 | |
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| techrights-news | Better future? Safari browser extension is preparing for Apple’s ‘post-privacy’ world https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/better-future-safari-browser-extension-is-preparing-for-apples-post-privacy-world | Oct 02 16:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-portswigger.net | Better future? Safari browser extension is preparing for Apple’s ‘post-privacy’ world | The Daily Swig | Oct 02 16:37 | |
| techrights-news | #ProprietarySoftware https://www.ghacks.net/2021/10/01/another-chrome-emergency-update-to-patch-0-day-vulnerabilities-is-now-available/ | Oct 02 16:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ghacks.net | Another Chrome emergency update to patch 0-day vulnerabilities is now available - gHacks Tech News | Oct 02 16:40 | |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/09/26/375cc2dd0c74dffe.jpg | Oct 02 16:41 |
| techrights-news | #archlinux outdoing #microsoft in its own ballpark, but with #ProprietarySoftware and #DRM https://www.tomshardware.com/news/proton-enables-nvidia-dlss-in-directx12-games | Oct 02 16:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomshardware.com | Valve Enables Experimental Nvidia DLSS Support For DirectX 12 in Proton | Tom's Hardware | Oct 02 16:41 | |
| MinceR | it already had systemd | Oct 02 16:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | \:D_ | Oct 02 16:42 |
| schestowitz-TR | these are worse | Oct 02 16:42 |
| techrights-news | "Some of us really, truly, tried to get IBM to do anything sensible. But no amount of effort will pay off with that company. It’s so sad. I had to leave in the end. Heartbreaking." #ibm #layoffs #exodus https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1d6y5hFp#replies | Oct 02 16:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM didn't lose the cloud... - post regarding IBM layoffs | Oct 02 16:45 | |
| techrights-news | " #IBM did not lose the Cloud. It never had the Cloud in the first place. IBM lost the Cloud in much the same way that I lost Michelle Pfeiffer." #clowncomputing #redhat #buzzwords https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1d6y5hFp#replies | Oct 02 16:46 |
| techrights-news | #ibm #openwashing a #MONOPOLY using #linuxFoundation as PR arm https://www.dbta.com/Editorial/News-Flashes/Open-Mainframe-Project-Announces-New-Milestones-and-Opportunities-149223.aspx #mainframe | Oct 02 16:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dbta.com | Open Mainframe Project Announces New Milestones and Opportunities - Database Trends and Applications | Oct 02 16:53 | |
| techrights-news | Some of these are now "FOSS" at all https://fossbytes.com/best-emulators-to-play-free-games-on-pc-and-mobile/ | Oct 02 16:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Best Emulators To Play Free Games On PC And Mobile - Fossbytes | Oct 02 16:55 | |
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| MinceR | (cat) https://full.pr0gramm.com/2021/09/25/fd469bbab3470ccf.jpg | Oct 02 17:13 |
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| techrights-news | "A recent research, summarized here, found and documented an interesting toxic effect of online advertising" https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/08/targeted-ads-always-divide/ | Oct 02 17:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | targeted ads always divide | Stop at Zona-M | Oct 02 17:27 | |
| techrights-news | For a third month in a row, Linux remains above 1% on the Steam Hardware Survey | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/for-a-third-month-in-a-row-linux-remains-above-1-on-the-steam-hardware-survey ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/10/02/#latest | Oct 02 17:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-For a third month in a row, Linux remains above 1% on the Steam Hardware Survey | GamingOnLinux | Oct 02 17:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Oct 02 17:27 | |
| techrights-news | Richard Stallman: "The US should eliminate the debt ceiling, which serves no good purpose but provides plutocratists with an opportunity for bullying." https://stallman.org/archives/2021-jul-oct.html#1_October_2021_%28Eliminate_the_debt_ceiling%29 | Oct 02 17:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2021: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman | Oct 02 17:29 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I see another thing happen every time I go to McDonalds. | Oct 02 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | Today it was some socially disadvantaged person who attacked a McDonalds employee with the COVID sneeze guard because she got mad at them for not giving her enough ketchup. | Oct 02 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | Nothing happens. They just do petty criminal acts and walk away. The people who ran into my car had no driver's license, ID, or insurance. | Oct 02 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | The cops let them go. | Oct 02 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | There's a vast difference in how the police treat white people and black people around these parts. | Oct 02 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | But the false narrative from mjg59_ is that the cops just shoot black people for no reason. When what really happens is some McDonalds employee gets assaulted with the plexiglass over ketchup because the assailant knows they'll get away with it. | Oct 02 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | The Democrats are determined to run everyone out of Illinois except the squeegee and loose cigarette men. | Oct 02 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | One of these fucking idiots introduced a bill called the TEXAS Act, which would allow anyone to sue anyone else over causing an unintended pregnancy, for up to $10,000. | Oct 02 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | So because Texas did something ridiculous, we have to as well. | Oct 02 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to see it become the law actually. Watch the fur fly when women find out that they can revoke their consent for sex 9 months after it happened and get $10,000. | Oct 02 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe then people will see the left and all of these shyster lawyers and judges for what they really are. | Oct 02 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Then, of course, the man should countersue, claiming that he didn't intend for it to happen either, so she owes him $10,000. But we'll see where that goes. I mean, even though she caused a pregnancy he didn't intend, we know what the courts will do. | Oct 02 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | Then I'll sue both of them, maybe, and say I have no stake in this, but I didn't intend for it to happen either and they each owe me $10,000 because the law says anyone can sue over an unintended pregnancy. | Oct 02 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, this is literally how stupid the Democrats are. | Oct 02 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | Then I can file suit against God, like that state Senator in Nebraska did. | Oct 02 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | One lawsuit for every unintended pregnancy ever. | Oct 02 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | I was talking to mom about this bill yesterday, because she brought up how Felta Sr. blamed my grandmother for having to get married and stay with her because he got her pregnant with Felta Jr. 5 months before the marriage. | Oct 02 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | DARVO has always existed. Alcoholics frequently use it. | Oct 02 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | It's everyone else's fault they're a drunk. It's everyone else's fault they had kids. It's everyone else's fault they did....whatever. | Oct 02 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Madame Harmon was a fan of DARVO and Darvocet. | Oct 02 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | Now she has no access to the opiods and the doctors dodge her by pretending to need into another patient's room when she's coming down the hallway. | Oct 02 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The portable laundry is saving me about $30 a month in not having to use the laundromat. Plus the overall hassle and grossness of going there. | Oct 02 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | The landlord raised the rent for everyone by $25 a month over the next year. | Oct 02 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | It reminds me of Babylon 5 where EarthGov decides that the senior staff will pay more rent, so after being locked out of their rooms and sleeping in their offices for a while, the captain takes it out of the defense budget so that the government is paying the increased rent to itself. | Oct 02 18:25 |
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| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/09/25/ba106bbe6051880c.jpg | Oct 02 18:41 |
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| DaemonFC | Many iwlwifi fixes in the 5.10.70 kernel in debian-proposed. | Oct 02 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | A lot of them seem to be related to issues I was having based on the assoaciated bug reports. Some even mention the AX210 specifically. | Oct 02 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | Still, I mean I know it works fine in AC mode. | Oct 02 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose I'll just park myself here for a while and see where we are in another 20 minor releases or so. :) | Oct 02 19:06 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I suppose later I'll try out Flightgear. | Oct 02 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | Someone has an XBOX 360 controller mapping file to load into it. | Oct 02 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I always wanted to | Oct 02 19:40 |
| schestowitz | but it might addict | Oct 02 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed Flightgear is in Flathub. | Oct 02 19:40 |
| schestowitz | GPL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlightGear | Oct 02 19:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | FlightGear - Wikipedia | Oct 02 19:40 | |
| DaemonFC | Yes, I was wondering how it would compare to Microsoft Flight Simulator. | Oct 02 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | John had a copy of Flight Simulator X. | Oct 02 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | Why does Microsoft use the letter X so much? | Oct 02 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | Not very imaginative with naming, are they? | Oct 02 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | AppX, DirectX, docx, Flight Simulator X..... | Oct 02 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | I half expected them to call Windows 10....Windows X. | Oct 02 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Oct 02 19:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe they want to sound geeky | Oct 02 19:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | or anti-racism like Malcolm | Oct 02 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, I noticed my wifi might be running a bit faster than it was. | Oct 02 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | May try connecting to NordVPN over Wireguard again. | Oct 02 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | I think it was at least partially the glitching in iwlwifi that was messing it up. | Oct 02 19:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | is it openvpn now? | Oct 02 19:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | the engineering of wireguard sounds better | Oct 02 19:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | openvms sounds like kludge that almost works | Oct 02 19:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | vpbn | Oct 02 19:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | *vpn | Oct 02 19:46 |
| *schestowitz-TR just woke up | Oct 02 19:46 | |
| activelow | gustaf: did briefly looked at guix a while ago, and couldn't easily navigate the website already | Oct 02 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I've been using OpenVPN because for whatever reason, it works better under my network conditions. | Oct 02 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | Let me switch over now. | Oct 02 19:47 |
| activelow | gustaf: guix, i want a pkgsrc/portage type tree, and see the tooling (similar to portage, catalyst, crossdev) | Oct 02 19:48 |
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| MinceR | https://files.explosm.net/comics/Matt/again-this-took-entirely-too-long-to-draw.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/1216/ ) | Oct 02 19:51 |
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| activelow | and, i cannot find anything relevant here (build system tree, tooling): git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix | Oct 02 19:52 |
| activelow | the packaging documentation presents me with a video instead of what i am accustomed to and need to get started | Oct 02 19:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | Despatche: wow, lots of blog posts today! | Oct 02 19:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | oops, daemon | Oct 02 19:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | he's offline | Oct 02 19:55 |
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| activelow | maybe i am slightly in error with Guix: Bootstrapping section ... "The Reduced Binary Seed bootstrap removes the most critical tools ..."; Guix supports bootstrapping withoug gcc/binutils!!! and begin with assembly. | Oct 02 20:05 |
| activelow | and, this seems to be fully supported and documented with guix (not sure yet which assembly and hardware is supported) | Oct 02 20:05 |
| activelow | this is an absolute killer feature: $ info -f doc/guix.info "Bootstrapping" | Oct 02 20:07 |
| activelow | insofar, if guix can emit a trustworthy toolchain ... then i will keep guix for this reason alone, not as a full distro, as a toolchain provider | Oct 02 20:11 |
| activelow | "further reduction has brought down the size of the binary seed to about 60MB" ... | Oct 02 20:17 |
| activelow | "Work is ongoing to remove all binary blobs from our free software stack" | Oct 02 20:17 |
| activelow | so, ... what's the deal here? even Gnu GUIX (endorsed by FSF) implicitely admits that the bootstrapping is ... | Oct 02 20:18 |
| activelow | in my opinion, ruined, a 60MiB binary blob ... | Oct 02 20:19 |
| activelow | how so is a Z80 UZI system related, with SDCC compiler, and this system fitting onto a 3.5inch Floppy? | Oct 02 20:20 |
| activelow | as a reminder Alan Cox departed into this realm, for various reasons... | Oct 02 20:20 |
| activelow | "It is tempting to think of this question as one that only die-hard hackers may care about. However, while the answer to that question is technical in nature, its implications are wide-ranging. How the distribution is bootstrapped defines the extent to which we, as individuals and as a collective of users and hackers, can trust the software we run. It is a central concern from the standpoint of | Oct 02 20:22 |
| activelow | _security_ and from a _user freedom_ viewpoint." | Oct 02 20:22 |
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| schestowitz-TR | hi, DaemonFC | Oct 02 20:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | doing your article now | Oct 02 20:28 |
| activelow | real bootstrapping, which itself is fundementally broken, tracking this back to 1970s, since then, even worse, it is only supported for X86/64 IBM Wintel PC | Oct 02 20:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: does this look OK to you? http://techrights.org/2021/10/02/secure-boot-and-vmd/ | Oct 02 20:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Secure Boot and Intel VMD Pointless on GNU/Linux and Lenovo’s Documentation Recommends That You Turn Them Off | Techrights | Oct 02 20:32 | |
| MinceR | https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/dcw2_icecream.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/1239/ ) | Oct 02 20:33 |
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| DaemonFC | "Sometime they lose billions of dollars and quietly write it down." | Oct 02 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | Sometimes | Oct 02 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | I fixed that in the original. | Oct 02 20:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: :-( | Oct 02 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | I see what you mean about typos. | Oct 02 20:35 |
| schestowitz | internet should be uppercase I | Oct 02 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | They escape even a careful once over. | Oct 02 20:36 |
| schestowitz | that's the onlu change I made | Oct 02 20:36 |
| schestowitz | I will let you know next week how many people read it | Oct 02 20:36 |
| *schestowitz runs the script to convert is to gemini | Oct 02 20:37 | |
| schestowitz-TR | you covered tons of VERY important point | Oct 02 20:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | and in simple term | Oct 02 20:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | well done, I enjoyed reading it | Oct 02 20:38 |
| schestowitz-TR | We self-host the Lenovo PDF | Oct 02 20:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | so doesn't matter if they remove it years from now | Oct 02 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, When I ran into that on a Google search I thought it was hilarious, and particularly damning of Microsoft. | Oct 02 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | And from a partner OEM, no less! | Oct 02 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | Their OEMs realize that Windows is becoming irrelevant. | Oct 02 20:41 |
| schestowitz | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/02/secure-boot-and-vmd/ | Oct 02 20:41 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: we need to cover such topics | Oct 02 20:42 |
| schestowitz | I lost sight ot them | Oct 02 20:42 |
| schestowitz | but I know they're still existing problems | Oct 02 20:42 |
| schestowitz | added to index: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/02/secure-boot-and-vmd/ | Oct 02 20:42 |
| schestowitz | oops, wrong URL | Oct 02 20:42 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/UEFI#2021 | Oct 02 20:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | UEFI - Techrights | Oct 02 20:42 | |
| schestowitz | OK, gemini conversion seems complete and OK | Oct 02 20:43 |
| schestowitz | we're still improving the code for it over time | Oct 02 20:43 |
| schestowitz | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/tr-git/Gemini/ | Oct 02 20:44 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: thanks for writing that. it is excellent! | Oct 02 20:45 |
| schestowitz | only typo I caught was lowercase internet | Oct 02 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | Ah... | Oct 02 20:47 |
| activelow | i consider the IBM Wintel PC broken beyond repair; the approach of Guix to at least support bootstrapping is futile, my opinion | Oct 02 20:48 |
| activelow | any system derived can be considered compromised therefor; and the gap between fuzixOS (sdcc) and any IBM Wintel PC type system with GNU/liux cannot be bridged anymore | Oct 02 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | It is broken beyond repair. Even if you read the very terse commit logs regarding Intel components, you see how bad the situation is. | Oct 02 20:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's still getting worse | Oct 02 20:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | never better | Oct 02 20:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | and we need to catch up with gigantic messes | Oct 02 20:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | like GPUs with a billion transistors and secrets | Oct 02 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | Many of their fixes are just a back and forth between trying out some micro-optimization and it causes problems and security issues, and they back it out, and then they break power management trying to fix something else, and give up, and put the buggy power management back in. | Oct 02 20:50 |
| activelow | with Guix toolchain bootstrapping GNU/FSF do exactly what needs to be done, however they cannot anymore | Oct 02 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | Or they get workarounds put into the mac80211 (wifi) stack for their products in particular, which may cause issues on some other products. | Oct 02 20:51 |
| activelow | and it is a timescale of 50years lost | Oct 02 20:51 |
| activelow | sure, Guix bootstrapping does emit a functional toolchain, and it may be trusted with regards to specific security concerns | Oct 02 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, I think Debian 11.1 is really going to be where most people want to install Debian 11. | Oct 02 20:51 |
| activelow | however, the bootstrapping itself is broken... a binary blob of 60MiB | Oct 02 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | There were just too many issues with Intel's newer Tiger Lake platform in the shipping kernel. | Oct 02 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | Or if they do install it now, I'd at least cherry pick the 5.10.70 kernel out of proposed. | Oct 02 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | It seems to be behaving much better. | Oct 02 20:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | I agree with activelow we need to get back to simpler systems | Oct 02 20:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | some would be fast enough for anything | Oct 02 20:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | except opening CNN web pages | Oct 02 20:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | but what sane person wishes to do THAT? | Oct 02 20:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's JS-spraying you | Oct 02 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | NordVPN seems to push you to the P2P servers automatically if you pick Wireguard. | Oct 02 20:54 |
| activelow | the good news is: Z80 fuzixOS and SDCC compilare are GPL and open | Oct 02 20:54 |
| activelow | compiler | Oct 02 20:55 |
| activelow | i do not think Guix bootstrapping and GCC can succeed | Oct 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | interesting | Oct 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | one option is, | Oct 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | make air-gapped crap wintel box | Oct 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | and use as main box something more proper | Oct 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | than remotely connect to the crap | Oct 02 20:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | and never compile on it | Oct 02 20:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | or email etc. | Oct 02 20:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | because it can be discarded as untrustworthy | Oct 02 20:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | that MIGHT work | Oct 02 20:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | if fuzixOS can do secure shell tunnels | Oct 02 20:57 |
| MinceR | it's not terribly secure without memory protection | Oct 02 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | Google wants to get away from Linux completely, it seems. | Oct 02 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | With Fuschia. | Oct 02 20:58 |
| activelow | a real Z80 got no DRAM, it is SRAM | Oct 02 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | They can do this. Unlimited budget and they can afford to port firmware that works, not mjg59_'s uEFI shit, to whatever they want to sell. | Oct 02 20:58 |
| MinceR | it will be shit, though | Oct 02 20:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | they tried for years | Oct 02 20:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | at best, they'll put it on bugs | Oct 02 20:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | like Nest | Oct 02 20:59 |
| activelow | with z80 hays 300baud modem, and/or ax.25 may be feasible | Oct 02 21:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: earlier on what you were afk or offline I thanked you for writing many blog posts. shorted ones are nestled into Daily Links and tuxmachines | Oct 02 21:01 |
| schestowitz | e.g. https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/02/linux-5-10-70-lands-in-debian-11-proposed-updates/ | Oct 02 21:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Linux 5.10.70 lands in Debian 11 Proposed Updates – BaronHK's Rants | Oct 02 21:01 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 02 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I'm trying out nordlynx again. | Oct 02 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | No dice. | Oct 02 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | I mean some servers at some times of the day almost work okay. | Oct 02 21:02 |
| schestowitz | re https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/02/why-i-turned-down-free-phones-from-t-mobile-and-stuck-a-new-battery-in-my-spouses-iphone-se-2020/ | Oct 02 21:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Why I turned down “Free” phones from T-Mobile and stuck a new battery in my spouse’s iPhone SE (2020). – BaronHK's Rants | Oct 02 21:02 | |
| DaemonFC | But OpenVPN is much better supported. | Oct 02 21:02 |
| schestowitz | turn down not only 'free' ones | Oct 02 21:03 |
| schestowitz | you can come to regret companies collecting that much data about you | Oct 02 21:03 |
| activelow | with SRAM a system can be halted, and single-step debugged... imagine this to single step 60MiB, or 4KiB, or 256Byte? | Oct 02 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | Going offline for a moment. | Oct 02 21:03 |
| schestowitz | it gets sold and passed on | Oct 02 21:03 |
| activelow | Wozmon was 256byte iirc | Oct 02 21:03 |
| schestowitz | you might not know why you pay more or get turned down in places | Oct 02 21:03 |
| schestowitz | it goes into 'big data' and 'hey hi' | Oct 02 21:03 |
| schestowitz | it is harder to discriminate based on a LACK of data | Oct 02 21:04 |
| schestowitz | it's possible | Oct 02 21:04 |
| schestowitz | but not passable | Oct 02 21:04 |
| schestowitz | not easily justifiable | Oct 02 21:04 |
| schestowitz | "mr roy, we turned you down because the system cannot find a facebook account" | Oct 02 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | I can read everything you say when I go offline for a moment. | Oct 02 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | Anyway, back to OpenVPN over UDP. | Oct 02 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | It's reliable. | Oct 02 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I think this open source SuperH processor has some merit. | Oct 02 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | But I don't know if it'll ever be profitable enough to produce in bulk. | Oct 02 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | Hitachi designed them to work in embedded electronics, but they performed pretty well. Well enough to be in the Sega Dreamcast, which in many ways was several years ahead of Microsoft and Sony. | Oct 02 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | And they revised it past that. | Oct 02 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | The open source cloning project just needs to be careful to not implement anything that's patented. | Oct 02 21:08 |
| activelow | video-out... hdmi? don't forget some trusted vt100 terminal before, geoff's vt100 (with pic32), the rc2014 z80 one (with stm23), and another one build form ttl chips and only closed blobbed binary | Oct 02 21:10 |
| activelow | because, almost all SoC (open hardware) suffer from the same issues... proprietary fpga deployment targets only (SuperH on xilinx) | Oct 02 21:12 |
| activelow | limited peripheral I/O... 10Mbit ethernet is feasible, USB1 to should be, and of cause a serial controller to attach vt100 terminal | Oct 02 21:12 |
| MinceR | since when do you trust a pic32 or an stm23 though? | Oct 02 21:12 |
| activelow | MinceR: i don't | Oct 02 21:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: I use VGA with my main laptop ;-) | Oct 02 21:13 |
| activelow | however... for those designs are available, to begin somewhere | Oct 02 21:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | the rest are DVI and HDMI | Oct 02 21:13 |
| MinceR | (cat) (no audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/09/24/ccee1fcb7ab4ddf2.mp4 | Oct 02 21:13 |
| schestowitz-TR | to a human eye, there is no difference | Oct 02 21:13 |
| activelow | and the software for those vt100 is opensource | Oct 02 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | People ported Debian to the Dreamcast with the SH-2 processor. | Oct 02 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | THen to the XBOX with "Xebian". | Oct 02 21:14 |
| MinceR | i probably have a superhuman eye :> | Oct 02 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, the biggest bummer with the Dreamcast port was there was no hard disk accessory. | Oct 02 21:14 |
| activelow | such software may be ported to a TTL assembly (gigatron which got video out, or another vt100 build from ttl chips, which is open hardware but not open source software) | Oct 02 21:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: morningstar | Oct 02 21:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: did you try VGA? | Oct 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | on a modern screen? | Oct 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | not CRT | Oct 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | and WITHOUT adapter | Oct 02 21:15 |
| MinceR | i think i did try VGA and DVI-D on a TFT screen ages ago | Oct 02 21:16 |
| MinceR | VGA smears a bit horizontally | Oct 02 21:16 |
| schestowitz | haha, apple: adapters company that also rebrands some chinese laptops to help sell its adapters | Oct 02 21:16 |
| activelow | if you prefer it you may attach a 9pin matrix printer as video out to a vt100 ;) | Oct 02 21:16 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 02 21:16 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▄▅▆▃▆▅▅▆▄▅▅▅▃▇▄▄▅▇▆▄▄▃▂▃▄▅▆▅▅▆▅▅▁ avg(k/sec) 25.48 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▁ avg(k/sec) 19.90▕ swarm size (avg): 257.89 ⟲ | Oct 02 21:17 |
| psydruid | why is real bootstrapping only supported for X86/64 IBM Wintel PC? | Oct 02 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | I found a server with decent bandwidth. | Oct 02 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | It's a crapshoot. | Oct 02 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | Not as bad as Free Dumb Tech was on PIA. | Oct 02 21:17 |
| activelow | psydruid: you had to ask GNU/FSF/Guix | Oct 02 21:17 |
| activelow | and, the bootstrapping itself is, somehow, broken, although it can emit a somewhat trustworthy toolchain | Oct 02 21:18 |
| psydruid | activelow, I wanted to ask you if you can see a technical reason for it, I don't really want to talk to GNU/FSF/Guix people | Oct 02 21:19 |
| activelow | psydruid: it is political and economical reasons | Oct 02 21:19 |
| psydruid | I know this is the trusting trust problem detailed by Ken Thompson | Oct 02 21:19 |
| activelow | ok | Oct 02 21:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | yeah | Oct 02 21:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | 'secure' boot | Oct 02 21:20 |
| psydruid | but I thought that it could be worked around by writing really simple tools in assembly | Oct 02 21:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | BTW, is it just me or do people experience many issue since that root cert expired? | Oct 02 21:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | including from servers | Oct 02 21:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | quiterss crashes a lot for rianne and I | Oct 02 21:20 |
| activelow | which are, now, 60MiB in size with Guix, and this is the best i had seen so far, and to my knowledge it is the only one | Oct 02 21:21 |
| activelow | except for, maybe, some z80 stuff | Oct 02 21:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | and it's very difficult to know which sites cause this | Oct 02 21:21 |
| MinceR | i don't think i have experienced any | Oct 02 21:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | also, I get many alerts, had to shuttle things around and remove packages | Oct 02 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | I define a good server with OpenVPN and UDP to be at least 70-80% raw connection speed. | Oct 02 21:21 |
| schestowitz-TR | finally we pay the price for the PYRAMID SCHEME of selling "trust" | Oct 02 21:21 |
| MinceR | but then, sometimes i do get a warning about a bad cert and i force the browser to go on | Oct 02 21:21 |
| psydruid | and then actually creating the first bootstrapping binaries translating that assembly code to 0s and 1s by hand | Oct 02 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | Som of these on NordVPN are 40-50%. | Oct 02 21:21 |
| psydruid | I don't see how that could ever become 60 MiB | Oct 02 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | But 40-50% was as good as it got on PIA there at the end. | Oct 02 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | And more typical was 20-30%. | Oct 02 21:22 |
| activelow | and... the missing link, the gap between z80/fuzix and x86/Wintel/GNU cannot be bridged anymore | Oct 02 21:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | psydruid: maybe you think shallowly about what's inside ;-) | Oct 02 21:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's not our grandpa's bootloader anymore | Oct 02 21:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | they need to keep their 'engineers' busy doing... something | Oct 02 21:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | look up 'feature churn' ;-) | Oct 02 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | 3.3 MB /s installing FlightGear from Flatpak right now over NordVPN. | Oct 02 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | That's not terrible. | Oct 02 21:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's also whhy so many sites became so bloated while looking 'simple' _only on the surface' | Oct 02 21:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | for a 'phone' OS, Android, GBs of code | Oct 02 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, Firefox "adopting" Wayland..... GNOME Web did some time ago. | Oct 02 21:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | to make calls and run some single-button 'crAPPS' | Oct 02 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | That's why it killed the Evince NPAPI plug-in. | Oct 02 21:24 |
| psydruid | more like occupational therapy :) | Oct 02 21:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: yes, I will link to that again when I finish work at 1am | Oct 02 21:24 |
| schestowitz | #Wayland Support Plan for #Firefox http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156325#comment-31243 #mozilla #graphics | Oct 02 21:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox Wayland development in 2021 | Tux Machines | Oct 02 21:24 | |
| psydruid | so much of what is being done in the world of computing is just doing things for the sake of doing them | Oct 02 21:25 |
| psydruid | not to serve an actual purpose that we as humans have | Oct 02 21:25 |
| activelow | and there is more missing links below in the free/open hardware realm, gone | Oct 02 21:25 |
| activelow | ESA management seems to think Leon SPARC deployed to Xilinx ... i must hold my breath to not say anything really stupid | Oct 02 21:26 |
| psydruid | activelow, do you think we could go back to Fuzix/Z80 and machine code and build up toolchains that way without relying on proprietary tools? | Oct 02 21:26 |
| activelow | not only this, i think the entire hardware development and workflow (pencil and paper and maths instead of cluster**cked CAD IDEs) | Oct 02 21:27 |
| psydruid | I did use Quartus a year ago for my labs, but that was just to redo on the computer what I had already done on paper and then drawn graphically | Oct 02 21:29 |
| psydruid | and it's the only way to really learn what all of this is about and to be able to transfer it to any tools you may want to use | Oct 02 21:29 |
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| activelow | gigatron ttl | Oct 02 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Found another quirk in Flatpak Firefox. | Oct 02 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | Some fonts look terrible in certain websites. | Oct 02 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | Taking away their ability to choose their own fonts seems to fix the ugliness issue. | Oct 02 21:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | web sites that tell you what fonts to use | Oct 02 21:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | instead of you doing what suits you | Oct 02 21:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | like, if you are near-sighted | Oct 02 21:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | just to read an article | Oct 02 21:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | as if the story depends on fonts | Oct 02 21:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | for images? OK, understandable. | Oct 02 21:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | but does it matter what fonts the headline uses? | Oct 02 21:48 |
| kingoffrance | ^ my understanding, because html and even with css never guaranteed a particular output...because even before phones and tablets, web was not supposed to mandate an os/browser/monitor size/keyboard type/etc. | Oct 02 21:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | do I need to connect to Google server for a font? | Oct 02 21:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | google gives that 'service' 'free' | Oct 02 21:48 |
| kingoffrance | so the whole idea "website needs a font" is kind of backwards IMO | Oct 02 21:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | so it can spy on whatever sites use it | Oct 02 21:49 |
| kingoffrance | "family" at best, which user could use browser or local css to override | Oct 02 21:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | yeah | Oct 02 21:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | but kingoffrance, that is so old skool | Oct 02 21:49 |
| kingoffrance | its kind of another "only works with this browser" | Oct 02 21:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | the cargo cult of today demands you get broadband | Oct 02 21:49 |
| kingoffrance | "only works with this font" | Oct 02 21:49 |
| kingoffrance | "only works with this keyboard or mouse" | Oct 02 21:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | and connect to some server to download 100 proprietary fonts per day | Oct 02 21:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | [21:49] <kingoffrance> "only works with this keyboard or mouse" | Oct 02 21:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | EME might go there | Oct 02 21:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | DRM in the browser | Oct 02 21:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | "I cannot render this page" | Oct 02 21:50 |
| kingoffrance | i exaggerate maybe, but i dont think so :) | Oct 02 21:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | "it looks like you have a microphone plugged in" | Oct 02 21:50 |
| kingoffrance | yep | Oct 02 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sitting here doing laundry all afternoon. It takes a few loads in the portable to equal a full sized washer. | Oct 02 21:51 |
| kingoffrance | and webcam | Oct 02 21:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | "untrusted" | Oct 02 21:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | "unauthorised" | Oct 02 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | But hey, saves me money. | Oct 02 21:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | "unprotected" | Oct 02 21:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | "pirate" | Oct 02 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | Sites work fine with your built-in fonts. | Oct 02 21:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | for NOW | Oct 02 21:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | give them time | Oct 02 21:52 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2014/05/24/drm-on-text/ | Oct 02 21:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | DRM on Text in Mozilla Firefox Not Ruled Out | Techrights | Oct 02 21:52 | |
| schestowitz-TR | there is already font-based DRM | Oct 02 21:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | not sure if you know this | Oct 02 21:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | that might come to the WWW later | Oct 02 21:52 |
| schestowitz | font DRM: http://techrights.org/2010/04/23/microsoft-walking-among-patents/ | Oct 02 21:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Software Patents in Codecs, Web Font DRM, and Likewise-HP | Techrights | Oct 02 21:53 | |
| schestowitz | also see http://techrights.org/2013/01/31/drm-in-html5/ | Oct 02 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | The hell.... | Oct 02 21:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Warning: DRM in HTML5, It’s Microsoft Again | Techrights | Oct 02 21:53 | |
| schestowitz-TR | we need to get off the web | Oct 02 21:53 |
| XRevan86 | https://hexchat.github.io/news/2.16.0.html | Oct 02 21:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hexchat.github.io | 2.16.0 released and help wanted – HexChat | Oct 02 21:53 | |
| schestowitz-TR | gradually, to the extent feasible | Oct 02 21:53 |
| schestowitz-TR | imagine drm servers refusing to load the page UNLESS... | Oct 02 21:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | XRevan86: shithub? | Oct 02 21:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | who needs help? | Oct 02 21:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | Microsoft? | Oct 02 21:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | I know they need help | Oct 02 21:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | they already farm like a million volunteers there | Oct 02 21:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's their business model | Oct 02 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | https://github.com/YoRyan/fg-x360-gamepad | Oct 02 21:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - YoRyan/fg-x360-gamepad: A custom joystick configuration and Nasal library for FlightGear Flight Simulator and the Xbox 360 controller. | Oct 02 21:54 | |
| schestowitz | it's not like shithub makes them any money http://techrights.org/2013/01/31/drm-in-html5/ | Oct 02 21:55 |
| schestowitz | more background: http://techrights.org/2020/06/15/confessions-of-scott-guthrie/ | Oct 02 21:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Story About Microsoft’s Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | Techrights | Oct 02 21:55 | |
| schestowitz | let's hope 5 years from now deletegithub will be obsolete | Oct 02 21:57 |
| schestowitz | we still have 2 channels named after a company we successfully shut down more than a decade ago | Oct 02 21:57 |
| schestowitz | "boycottnovell" | Oct 02 21:57 |
| schestowitz | maybe more people will "deletegithub" to the point where it's like "new" freenode | Oct 02 21:58 |
| schestowitz | just a legacy name of something many people used once upon a time | Oct 02 21:58 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: do you want your flakpak article reprinted and entered into gemini? | Oct 02 21:59 |
| schestowitz | it's long and good | Oct 02 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | Novell did plenty of damage to themselves. | Oct 02 22:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | like frreenode | Oct 02 22:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | the analogy goes a long way | Oct 02 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | I knew two people running OpenSUSE at the time. Dad and some guy names Tyler who was on Geekshed IRC. | Oct 02 22:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | ibm does the same now, except red hat is in the cross-fire | Oct 02 22:00 |
| schestowitz-TR | which is why allowhurst left | Oct 02 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | So they convinced me to try it and I thought it was pretty bad. | Oct 02 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | About the only interesting thing I thought it did was they had this weird MP3 encoder in it called Helix MP3. | Oct 02 22:01 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: ok to reproduce with link to original? | Oct 02 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. | Oct 02 22:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | cool, cheers! | Oct 02 22:02 |
| schestowitz-TR | should take 20 mins | Oct 02 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | It turns out that Helix MP3 isn't a bad encoder. | Oct 02 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | It's open source under an MIT license, iirc. | Oct 02 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | The downside is there's a ton of inline MASM, and so it's incredibly fast on x86 and Windows. Not that it's not fast on the GNU/Linux port using the C code. | Oct 02 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | It's a lot faster than LAME, even with the C code. | Oct 02 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.rarewares.org/rrw/xing.php | Oct 02 22:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rarewares.org | ReallyRareWares - Xing/Helix MP3 encoder | Oct 02 22:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Novell had apparently taken the RealNetworks Helix MP3 5 code and compiled it into a library that worked with Banshee. | Oct 02 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, I wonder how it compares with LAME now. | Oct 02 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | The LAME New VBR code came later than when these comparisons were drawn. | Oct 02 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | Then there was that fast crc patch. | Oct 02 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, Geary seems to be an okay email client. | Oct 02 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | But since I like Fallout I couldn't help but to make myself laugh earlier when I was thinking about it on the way to McDonalds. | Oct 02 22:10 |
| schestowitz-TR | "longer-lived" | Oct 02 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | "Geary!!!! GEARY!!!" | Oct 02 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | "HAHAHA GEARY!" | Oct 02 22:10 |
| MinceR | Gary? | Oct 02 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. :) | Oct 02 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, In the Flatpak thing? | Oct 02 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | Fixed. | Oct 02 22:11 |
| schestowitz | "version-lock" | Oct 02 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | internet > uppercase I | Oct 02 22:14 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/776871.jpg | Oct 02 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | My spell check says untrusted isn't a word, but then suggests encrusted as one possible correction. | Oct 02 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, the sandbox really helps with encrusted data from the Internet. | Oct 02 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | Thank you Hunspell-en. | Oct 02 22:16 |
| schestowitz-TR | that's it. anyway, I have on my system flatpak | Oct 02 22:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | rianne does too | Oct 02 22:18 |
| schestowitz-TR | I tried snapd on another lesser machine | Oct 02 22:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | not good experience | Oct 02 22:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | missing and broken packages | Oct 02 22:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | but I have my share of criticism of flatpak | Oct 02 22:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | inc. the need to reboot or restart the session | Oct 02 22:19 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: did you try appimages? | Oct 02 22:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: 40 minutes obviously. | Oct 02 22:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | BTW, we moaned about flatpak pulling in or requiring rather systemd | Oct 02 22:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | then red hat removed that dep | Oct 02 22:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | and maybe they changed it again since then | Oct 02 22:20 |
| schestowitz-TR | but afaik, it should still work withoutSystemD(R) | Oct 02 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | I tried the AppImage of LaGrange, but installing the Flatpak wasn't that much bigger. | Oct 02 22:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe you did it after something else had been installed | Oct 02 22:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | for me it was the first experience with flatpak | Oct 02 22:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | BTW, you said you use GNOME now | Oct 02 22:23 |
| schestowitz-TR | uses a gtk-based client: | Oct 02 22:23 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/03/21/review-of-moonlander/ | Oct 02 22:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A First Look at the Alpha of Moonlander, a Graphical Gemini Client/Browser | Techrights | Oct 02 22:23 | |
| schestowitz | moonlander is appimage | Oct 02 22:23 |
| schestowitz | alpha release | Oct 02 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, GNOME isn't so bad if you tweak it a lot and do system integration for Qt apps, and set up Dash to Dock. | Oct 02 22:24 |
| schestowitz | https://git.sr.ht/~admicos/moonlander | Oct 02 22:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.sr.ht | ~admicos/moonlander - sourcehut git | Oct 02 22:25 | |
| schestowitz | lol, I said "sharehut" | Oct 02 22:26 |
| schestowitz | instead of sourcehut | Oct 02 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | Debian wants to install Chromium if you remove Firefox ESR? | Oct 02 22:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | what do you mean by want? | Oct 02 22:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | it recommends it in apt? | Oct 02 22:28 |
| schestowitz-TR | they could at least recommend a non-Google chromium-based browser | Oct 02 22:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe even brave | Oct 02 22:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | Remember though: | Oct 02 22:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | Google is Debian's biggest sponsor atm | Oct 02 22:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | google also controls mozilla | Oct 02 22:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | they keep mozilla's and debian's lights on | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | $ sudo apt purge firefox-esr | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | Reading package lists... Done | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | Building dependency tree... Done | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | Reading state information... Done | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | hunspell-gl-es hunspell-sv-se | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them. | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | The following additional packages will be installed: | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | chromium chromium-common chromium-sandbox libjsoncpp24 libminizip1 libre2-9 | Oct 02 22:30 |
| schestowitz-TR | and debian already outsource some critical debian servers to google clown engine | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | system-config-printer | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | Suggested packages: | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | chromium-l10n chromium-shell chromium-driver | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | The following packages will be REMOVED: | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr* firefox-esr-l10n-ar* firefox-esr-l10n-ast* firefox-esr-l10n-be* | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-bg* firefox-esr-l10n-bn* firefox-esr-l10n-bs* | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-ca* firefox-esr-l10n-cs* firefox-esr-l10n-cy* | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-da* firefox-esr-l10n-de* firefox-esr-l10n-el* | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-en-gb* firefox-esr-l10n-eo* firefox-esr-l10n-es-ar* | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-es-cl* firefox-esr-l10n-es-es* firefox-esr-l10n-es-mx* | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-et* firefox-esr-l10n-eu* firefox-esr-l10n-fa* | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-fi* firefox-esr-l10n-fr* firefox-esr-l10n-ga-ie* | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-gl* firefox-esr-l10n-gu-in* firefox-esr-l10n-he* | Oct 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-hi-in* firefox-esr-l10n-hr* firefox-esr-l10n-hu* | Oct 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-id* firefox-esr-l10n-is* firefox-esr-l10n-it* | Oct 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-ja* firefox-esr-l10n-kk* firefox-esr-l10n-km* | Oct 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-kn* firefox-esr-l10n-ko* firefox-esr-l10n-lt* | Oct 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-lv* firefox-esr-l10n-mk* firefox-esr-l10n-mr* | Oct 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-nb-no* firefox-esr-l10n-ne-np* firefox-esr-l10n-nl* | Oct 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-nn-no* firefox-esr-l10n-pa-in* firefox-esr-l10n-pl* | Oct 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-pt-br* firefox-esr-l10n-pt-pt* firefox-esr-l10n-ro* | Oct 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-ru* firefox-esr-l10n-si* firefox-esr-l10n-sk* | Oct 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-sl* firefox-esr-l10n-sq* firefox-esr-l10n-sr* | Oct 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-sv-se* firefox-esr-l10n-ta* firefox-esr-l10n-te* | Oct 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-th* firefox-esr-l10n-tr* firefox-esr-l10n-uk* | Oct 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-vi* firefox-esr-l10n-zh-cn* firefox-esr-l10n-zh-tw* | Oct 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | The following NEW packages will be installed: | Oct 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | chromium chromium-common chromium-sandbox libjsoncpp24 libminizip1 libre2-9 | Oct 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | system-config-printer | Oct 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | 0 upgraded, 7 newly installed, 67 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | Oct 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | Need to get 60.3 MB of archives. | Oct 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | After this operation, 45.5 MB disk space will be freed. | Oct 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n | Oct 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | Abort. | Oct 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah... | Oct 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | Not happy about this. | Oct 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | weird | Oct 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz-TR | you can't NEED to have a Web browser | Oct 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | you need an Internet connection, sure | Oct 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | at the very least to be able to install a browser | Oct 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's not like people using MSIE to GetFirefox | Oct 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | in GNU/Linux you can go to software centre or whatever and add many browsers | Oct 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz-TR | you might even want a machine without any browser | Oct 02 22:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | some kiosk | Oct 02 22:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | that you keep mostly offline | Oct 02 22:33 |
| schestowitz-TR | and they go about suggestion spyium | Oct 02 22:33 |
| schestowitz | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/533991/debian-10-no-microphone-access-on-chromium-based-browsers | Oct 02 22:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unix.stackexchange.com | Debian 10: No microphone access on Chromium based browsers - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange | Oct 02 22:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://forums.debian.net//viewtopic.php?f=10&t=142983 | Oct 02 22:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.debian.net | Debian 10: No microphone access on Chromium based browsers - Debian User Forums | Oct 02 22:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://news.softpedia.com/news/google-s-chromium-on-debian-is-listening-in-on-your-conversations-484914.shtml | Oct 02 22:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Google's Chromium on Debian Is Listening In on Your Conversations | Oct 02 22:34 | |
| schestowitz | suffice to say, I never installed Chro* anything on my main box | Oct 02 22:34 |
| schestowitz | it's about as trustworthy as pervert mjg59_ | Oct 02 22:35 |
| schestowitz | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/02/flatpak-viewpoint/index.gmi | Oct 02 22:35 |
| schestowitz | ready | Oct 02 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | MrDOS | Oct 02 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | · | Oct 02 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | 3y | Oct 02 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | As others have pointed out, gnome-core has a dependency on a limited number of browsers. What nobody's told you is how to work around it. My recommendation would be to use equivs to generate a dummy package to fulfill the requirement. | Oct 02 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | Generate a configuration file from template (equivs-control chromium-dummy). | Oct 02 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | Edit the control file and populate at least a package name (“chromium-dummy”), and indicate that it “Provides: chromium”. | Oct 02 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | Build the package (equivs-build chromium-dummy). | Oct 02 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | Install it (sudo dpkg -i chromium-dummy_1.0_all.deb). | Oct 02 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | This should circumnavigate the requirement. Note that I'm dummying Chromium here, not Firefox: apt ignored “Provides: firefox”, and I think that's because gnome-core specifies a minimum dependency version, but the equivs package doesn't indicate whic | Oct 02 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | LMAO | Oct 02 22:37 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/776736.jpg | Oct 02 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | OMFG this is stupid. | Oct 02 22:37 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: maybe do a post about this | Oct 02 22:39 |
| schestowitz-TR | I know some users won't be happy | Oct 02 22:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | you already have the console output | Oct 02 22:40 |
| schestowitz-TR | MinceR: clever! | Oct 02 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME metapackage and LibreOffice both depend on Firefox ESR -or- Chromium. | Oct 02 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | You also can't remove the Debian version of LibreOffice without uninstalling the GNOME metapackage. | Oct 02 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | Because it's a depends, not suggests or recommends. | Oct 02 22:44 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: weird! | Oct 02 22:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | the browser part | Oct 02 22:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | libreoffice might need some gtk bits | Oct 02 22:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | but why a browser? | Oct 02 22:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe some component of it? | Oct 02 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | LibreOffice demands a browser. | Oct 02 22:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | like... not Base, Calc and Writer? | Oct 02 22:45 |
| schestowitz-TR | Presenter? | Oct 02 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | But it doesn't accept that GNOME Web is a browser, or Vivaldi, or Chrome, or Edge, or whatever other browser you have. | Oct 02 22:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe the export as HTML bit? | Oct 02 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | It has to be Firefox ESR or Chromium. | Oct 02 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | This is just bad design. | Oct 02 22:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe that uses some lib from a web browser? | Oct 02 22:46 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe some bug report can explain what necessitates which part of these two browsers, either one of them | Oct 02 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, Maybe I'll try the suggestion of making a dummy package that "provides Chromium". | Oct 02 22:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | I have one box with neither browser | Oct 02 22:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | it uses netsurf only | Oct 02 22:47 |
| schestowitz-TR | iirc, libreoffice already officially abandoned 32-bit archs | Oct 02 22:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | and there's no fork or anything to get past this limitation | Oct 02 22:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | maybe openoffice.org, but that's outdated and likely very unsafe | Oct 02 22:48 |
| activelow | Libreoffice has neither a buildtime nore a runtime dependency against FF or Chromium | Oct 02 22:48 |
| schestowitz-TR | anyway, bundling browsers with office suites is a very microsoft-like dick move | Oct 02 22:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | activelow: did you check on your systems? | Oct 02 22:49 |
| activelow | schestowitz-TR: gentoo tree | Oct 02 22:49 |
| schestowitz-TR | iirc, you have the soure code or ebuild | Oct 02 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | <schestowitz-TR> maybe openoffice.org, but that's outdated and likely very unsafe | Oct 02 22:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | so it might be debian needing to explain | Oct 02 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | Dead fork. Sour grapes. | Oct 02 22:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's not a fork | Oct 02 22:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | it's just old | Oct 02 22:50 |
| schestowitz-TR | they patch a little here and there | Oct 02 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | It's technically a fork of OOo because they merged Lotus Symphony back into it. | Oct 02 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | But it's been dead ever since then. | Oct 02 22:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | ibm's symfpny used to eat off their palm... code | Oct 02 22:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: like IBM | Oct 02 22:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | fossil COrp. | Oct 02 22:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | looking to matter in "clown" | Oct 02 22:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | by buying red hat | Oct 02 22:51 |
| schestowitz-TR | and then gutting it like Oracle did sun | Oct 02 22:52 |
| schestowitz-TR | they thought they can just treat red hat as "asset" | Oct 02 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | $ sudo apt purge firefox-esr chromium | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | [sudo] password for ryanf: | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | Sorry, try again. | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | [sudo] password for ryanf: | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | Reading package lists... Done | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | Building dependency tree... Done | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | Reading state information... Done | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | Package 'chromium' is not installed, so not removed | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | fonts-symbola hunspell-gl-es hunspell-sv-se hyphen-en-us | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | libreoffice-help-en-us mythes-en-us task-desktop x11-apps x11-session-utils | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | xinit xorg | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them. | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | The following additional packages will be installed: | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | epiphany-browser epiphany-browser-data | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | The following packages will be REMOVED: | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr* firefox-esr-l10n-ar* firefox-esr-l10n-ast* firefox-esr-l10n-be* | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-bg* firefox-esr-l10n-bn* firefox-esr-l10n-bs* | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-ca* firefox-esr-l10n-cs* firefox-esr-l10n-cy* | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-da* firefox-esr-l10n-de* firefox-esr-l10n-el* | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-en-gb* firefox-esr-l10n-eo* firefox-esr-l10n-es-ar* | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-es-cl* firefox-esr-l10n-es-es* firefox-esr-l10n-es-mx* | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-et* firefox-esr-l10n-eu* firefox-esr-l10n-fa* | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-fi* firefox-esr-l10n-fr* firefox-esr-l10n-ga-ie* | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-gl* firefox-esr-l10n-gu-in* firefox-esr-l10n-he* | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-hi-in* firefox-esr-l10n-hr* firefox-esr-l10n-hu* | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-id* firefox-esr-l10n-is* firefox-esr-l10n-it* | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-ja* firefox-esr-l10n-kk* firefox-esr-l10n-km* | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-kn* firefox-esr-l10n-ko* firefox-esr-l10n-lt* | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-lv* firefox-esr-l10n-mk* firefox-esr-l10n-mr* | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-nb-no* firefox-esr-l10n-ne-np* firefox-esr-l10n-nl* | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-nn-no* firefox-esr-l10n-pa-in* firefox-esr-l10n-pl* | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-pt-br* firefox-esr-l10n-pt-pt* firefox-esr-l10n-ro* | Oct 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-ru* firefox-esr-l10n-si* firefox-esr-l10n-sk* | Oct 02 22:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | so a PC without a web browser is "naked PC"? | Oct 02 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-sl* firefox-esr-l10n-sq* firefox-esr-l10n-sr* | Oct 02 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-sv-se* firefox-esr-l10n-ta* firefox-esr-l10n-te* | Oct 02 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-th* firefox-esr-l10n-tr* firefox-esr-l10n-uk* | Oct 02 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | firefox-esr-l10n-vi* firefox-esr-l10n-zh-cn* firefox-esr-l10n-zh-tw* gnome* | Oct 02 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | gnome-core* task-gnome-desktop* | Oct 02 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | The following NEW packages will be installed: | Oct 02 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | epiphany-browser epiphany-browser-data | Oct 02 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 70 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | Oct 02 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | Need to get 0 B/4,163 kB of archives. | Oct 02 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | After this operation, 238 MB disk space will be freed. | Oct 02 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | Do you want to continue? [Y/n] | Oct 02 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | Well, if I install the Debian package of Epiphany then the Flatpak won't run! | Oct 02 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | Plus look at that shit, it says I don't need xorg anymore. | Oct 02 22:54 |
| schestowitz-TR | why "PURGE"? | Oct 02 22:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | you realise the diff, right? | Oct 02 22:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | you are doing a radical approach | Oct 02 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | remove does the same thing | Oct 02 22:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | did you try? | Oct 02 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | Yes. | Oct 02 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | It wants to do the same thing. | Oct 02 22:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | seems like a bug | Oct 02 22:56 |
| schestowitz-TR | many things need xorg | Oct 02 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | possibly | Oct 02 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | Does Debian do the standalone xwayland? | Oct 02 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz-TR, I understand this now. | Oct 02 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | Nothing on my computer needs xorg, x11-apps, or x11-session-utils if I do this. | Oct 02 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | Because XWayland will still be there and so will the parts of X that _it_ uses. | Oct 02 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | This is just bad dependency management. | Oct 02 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | I agree it would be less of a problem to just shiv an empty package that claims it provides chromium. | Oct 02 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | That would make apt happy because you uninstall Firefox and there's "chromium". | Oct 02 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | But it wouldn't solve the problem that they're trying to force peopel to have a web browser. | Oct 02 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | And that they don't recognize flatpaks. | Oct 02 23:04 |
| schestowitz-TR | well, they assume desktops | Oct 02 23:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | you would not use libreoffice on a server | Oct 02 23:08 |
| schestowitz-TR | probably not a kiosk either | Oct 02 23:09 |
| schestowitz-TR | many of the 'clown'heads want us to use "apps" and "webapps" | Oct 02 23:09 |
| schestowitz | "I really love C," Torvalds said at one point. "I think C is a great language, and C is, to me, is really a way to control the hardware at a fairly low level..." | Oct 02 23:16 |
| schestowitz | https://thenewstack.io/linus-torvalds-on-community-rust-and-linuxs-longevity/ | Oct 02 23:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenewstack.io | Linus Torvalds on Community, Rust and Linux’s Longevity – The New Stack | Oct 02 23:16 | |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▅▅▃▄▄▅▆▅▅▆▅▅▅▅▃▃▄▂▄▅▂▃▂▃▅▄▃▄█▅█▅▆▄▅▁ avg(k/sec) 25.85 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▁▁▁▂█▁▁▂▂▃▁▂▁▁▁▂▂▂▃▁▁ avg(k/sec) 14.30▕ swarm size (avg): 257.92 ⟲ | Oct 02 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I mainly roped in the GNOME Web flatpak for the Youtube adblocker. | Oct 02 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | Christ, those are annoying. | Oct 02 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | So bad that I'm using a Flatpak version of the browser JUST due to that. | Oct 02 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | It uses a WebkitGTK out of a GNOME Platform 41 Flatpak that it brought in, partially. | Oct 02 23:22 |
| schestowitz-TR | [23:21] <DaemonFC> Christ, those are annoying. | Oct 02 23:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | I noticed, I know | Oct 02 23:24 |
| schestowitz-TR | not just the ones preceding videos, also ad banners on the sides | Oct 02 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | There's some sort of AdGuard script that's built-in now, that just zips past the ad and to the video you want. | Oct 02 23:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | just use Invidious | Oct 02 23:25 |
| schestowitz-TR | also helps bypass other evils | Oct 02 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | You might see one frame of an ad, but it never plays, and then it goes right to the video, and the video plays with no interruptions | Oct 02 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | So what does Invidious do? | Oct 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | "After three decades of developing the operating system in C, Hohndel conceded he was “very surprised to see how open you were to this idea of introducing Rust modules into the new system.”' | Oct 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | “I really love C,” Torvalds acknowledged. “I think C is a great language, and C is, to me, is really a way to control the hardware at a fairly low level. So that when I see C code, I can pretty closely guess what the compiler does. It is so close to the hardware that you can do anything with [it].” | Oct 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Yet Torvalds also saw Hohndel’s analogy that it can be like juggling chainsaws. As a long-time watcher of C, Torvalds knows that C’s subtle type interactions “are not always logical” and “are pitfalls for pretty much anybody. And they’re easy to overlook, and in the kernel that’s not always a good thing.” Torvalds called Rust “the first language I saw which looked like this might actually be a solution” | Oct 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | There are other considerations that C programmers value — like high performance and ease of debugging — but there’s still some openness to experiments with Rust. “People have been talking about Rust in the kernel for a long-ish time by now — and it’s not done yet,” the Linux creator said. “So we’ll see. | Oct 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | "“Probably next year, we’ll start seeing some first intrepid modules being written in Rust, and maybe being integrated in the mainline kernel.”" | Oct 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | ugh | Oct 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | "The Linux Foundation and VMware Tanzu are sponsors of The New Stack." | Oct 02 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | The seek button doesn't work on Invidious. | Oct 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz-TR | slider? | Oct 02 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. | Oct 02 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, Apple wants to "detect" mental illness with iPhones. | Oct 02 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | That's not creepy at all. | Oct 02 23:31 |
| schestowitz | they have batteries | Oct 02 23:34 |
| schestowitz | they can do shock therapy | Oct 02 23:34 |
| *m___ (~Adium@mfgnrw6khgqhe.irc) has joined #techrights | Oct 02 23:34 | |
| schestowitz | only if they detect you as mentally ill of course... | Oct 02 23:34 |
| schestowitz | https://hackaday.com/2021/10/01/mouse-and-keyboard-controls-on-the-n64/ | Oct 02 23:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mouse And Keyboard Controls On The N64 | Hackaday | Oct 02 23:44 | |
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| AdmFubar | apple will find their users are all nuts... | Oct 02 23:54 |
| MinceR | i think they already know | Oct 02 23:55 |
| schestowitz-TR | :-3 | Oct 02 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/02/apple-adding-spyware-to-iphones-to-detect-if-youre-mentally-ill-using-the-camera/ | Oct 02 23:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Apple adding spyware to iPhones to “detect” if you’re mentally ill, using the camera. – BaronHK's Rants | Oct 02 23:56 | |
| DaemonFC | They're a very predatory company. They use Mandy. | Oct 02 23:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | you are mentally ill if you buy these things | Oct 02 23:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: case of point | Oct 02 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | They use everyone that has one. | Oct 02 23:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | mandy: haording airpods | Oct 02 23:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | *hoarding | Oct 02 23:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | binging-shopping | Oct 02 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | They become some tool of these assholes. | Oct 02 23:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | yesterday's products, in bulk | Oct 02 23:57 |
| schestowitz-TR | mandy is rich | Oct 02 23:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | but, not a millionaire yet | Oct 02 23:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | if you have non-SE hypePhone | Oct 02 23:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | it means you're a walmart millionaire | Oct 02 23:58 |
| schestowitz-TR | you have the most expe... I mean, overpriced piece of junk | Oct 02 23:58 |
| MinceR | pretty sure you can get non-SE hypePhones at a low price if they're used | Oct 02 23:59 |
| MinceR | and possibly more broken than they are by design | Oct 02 23:59 |
| schestowitz-TR | DaemonFC: one iphone costs more than ALL 6 of our computers combined, inc. screens and peripherals | Oct 02 23:59 |
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