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psydroidthe day MS bought Shithub was the day I created an account on ShitlabJan 05 00:07
psydroidand even though I have sources locally, I'll run my own forge eventuallyJan 05 00:08
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Ariadnein other news, i was reminded of the fact that the US military uses AlpineJan 05 00:15
Ariadnein the form of their unclassified gitlab repo: https://repo1.dso.milJan 05 00:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Sign in · GitLabJan 05 00:16
DaemonFC[m]"Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft." is exactly how things like Solarwinds keep happening, over and over. Ransomware in hospitals. Internet worms banging on shitty IIS configurations and going down the list of CVEs in Windows.Jan 05 00:30
DaemonFC[m]This is where the forced security patch updates came from.Jan 05 00:30
DaemonFC[m]When Conficker hit, almost all of the CVEs it targeted had been fixed ages ago, but people didn't bother to install the fixes. Either because they were weary of the patch breaking the OS or because Microsoft likes to hide product activation hack killers in CVE updates.Jan 05 00:32
DaemonFC[m]So the thing had nearly two dozen vulnerabilities it could try and there were hundreds of millions of systems where at least some would work.Jan 05 00:32
DaemonFC[m]It's really just a matter of going down a list and checking everything. And with Windows 10, so few people are on an unsupported build now that at least that particular problem isn't as bad.Jan 05 00:33
DaemonFC[m]But Microsoft is backsliding on the goal of "One Windows 10." by making an LTSC version for corporations that don't want a bunch of nonsense, and supporting like 4 builds spanning two years at any time.Jan 05 00:34
DaemonFC[m]A particular patch may only need to be written and tested once, or it may need to be tested as many times as that particular file changed over the span of the supported builds.Jan 05 00:35
DaemonFC[m]From the chatter I've read, when pirates go to swipe something these days, it's usually the LTSC to get away from the UWP crap and the telemetry and stuff.Jan 05 00:36
DaemonFC[m]If you're a pirate, why not choose the build that's the least aggravating?Jan 05 00:37
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft realized that the Windows Store was failing and developers were not coming to them with UWP, but instead of opening those APIs up like they said they would, they're just leaving the Windows Store to stagnate and rot even further while everyone hangs out in Win32 land.Jan 05 00:38
DaemonFC[m]They have a lot of apps in the sense of "Someone crammed a bunch of how to use Google Chrome website articles into the PDF printer and shoved them all into an AppX and now that's $2.49.".Jan 05 00:39
DaemonFC[m]They're not even real apps. They're exploitative and lazy. They don't have a purpose. Yet, in total absence of any real software, they float to the top. If you stay in Windows 10 S Mode you can have fake apps, and not much else.Jan 05 00:40
DaemonFC[m]Well, Microsoft probably doesn't want to mention this since signing things apparently makes them secure and all, but they digitally signed those SolarWinds dlls.Jan 05 00:41
DaemonFC[m]So bunch of good that did.Jan 05 00:41
DaemonFC[m]Trustworthy Computing(R)Jan 05 00:41
DaemonFC[m]Digitally signing binaries that can't be inspected only tells you that they came from the source you think they did, not that there's no malicious code in the file.Jan 05 00:42
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schestowitz__gmJan 05 02:01
DaemonFC[m] 05 02:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Google, Alphabet workers form union after years of unrest - Business InsiderJan 05 02:27
schestowitz__Finally, some real social justiceJan 05 02:28
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: Wonder if mjg59 is in the union, which I'm sure just happened because they're so terrific to their workers. Which is how union drives usually start, as we all know.Jan 05 02:28
schestowitz__maybe mjg59 will even join this causeJan 05 02:28
schestowitz__instead of sucking up to corporationsJan 05 02:28
DaemonFC[m]Only if they wear pink sock hats.Jan 05 02:28
schestowitz__ 05 02:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Qt Company Is Tomorrow Moving Qt 5.15 To Its Commercial-Only LTS Phase - PhoronixJan 05 02:30
schestowitz__read comments here.Jan 05 02:30
schestowitz__they should forkJan 05 02:30
schestowitz__those who rely on qtJan 05 02:30
mjg59As of today I'm in the union, yesJan 05 02:32
DaemonFC[m]"Thiago Macieira of Intel was quick to comment that at lest for code he deals with in Qt, he will not be participating in fixes or commenting and reviewing on back-ports or bug reports. He intends to just close bug reports that cannot be reproduced on Qt 6.0."Jan 05 02:32
DaemonFC[m]Wow.Jan 05 02:32
DaemonFC[m]This makes LTS versions of KDE practically impossible.Jan 05 02:33
schestowitz__mjg59: +1Jan 05 02:33
DaemonFC[m]If there's no LTS version of Qt then it would be an unsupportable backlog of CVEs and stuff that KDE can't support.Jan 05 02:34
schestowitz__just for the record.Jan 05 02:34
schestowitz__iirc, this plan predates covidJan 05 02:34
schestowitz__except maybe in chinaJan 05 02:34
schestowitz__this is just qt being greesyJan 05 02:34
schestowitz__greedyJan 05 02:34
schestowitz__“Fork it and f*ck it (Qt6). I know Krita devs are unhappy about Qt6 dropping ANGLE, and many other things are still missing.” 05 02:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Qt Company Is Tomorrow Moving Qt 5.15 To Its Commercial-Only LTS Phase - Phoronix ForumsJan 05 02:34
schestowitz__"The absence of competition in the “portable C++ app development frameworks segment has enabled the company to raise to an unprecedented level of community-unfriendliness.” Jan 05 02:35
DaemonFC[m]There is going to have to be some sort of a fork of Qt 5.15 I'd imagine, if enough people are interested in it.Jan 05 02:36
DaemonFC[m]This has as much to do with foisting a broken and halfassed new Qt series on people who don't pay them so they can find all the bugs as it does anything else.Jan 05 02:37
DaemonFC[m]And it won't work.Jan 05 02:37
DaemonFC[m]There's been a lot of things that have been attacking KDE as a viable project for some time now.Jan 05 02:37
DaemonFC[m]Seemingly unrelated to each other.Jan 05 02:38
DaemonFC[m]Wayland, systemd, now Qt. Red Hat and Intel mostly.Jan 05 02:38
DaemonFC[m]Now that they and Microsoft control Linux, they figure that they can put hard pressure on users to abandon everything except GNOME so that they control everything.Jan 05 02:39
DaemonFC[m]They'll say it's because they want a coherent end user experience, but it's bullshit because having one desktop environment and not another hasn't hurt anything or affected anyone else for many years.Jan 05 02:39
DaemonFC[m]It's outside their sphere of influence, so it has to go.Jan 05 02:39
DaemonFC[m]There used to be multiple shell options for Windows even. Now there aren't.Jan 05 02:40
DaemonFC[m]I remember using various shell interfaces that weren't explorer because it was so unstable and bloated. Jan 05 02:41
schestowitz__simpleJan 05 02:44
schestowitz__appJan 05 02:44
schestowitz__unityJan 05 02:44
schestowitz__ux Jan 05 02:44
schestowitz__one optionJan 05 02:44
schestowitz__from their "user friendliness" "research"Jan 05 02:44
schestowitz__who needs optionsJan 05 02:44
schestowitz__one store, one OS...Jan 05 02:44
DaemonFC[m]The actual code for the IE4 Shell Update was just terrible.Jan 05 02:45
DaemonFC[m]It leaked memory (and "resources") and frequently crashed Windows.Jan 05 02:45
DaemonFC[m]It had all sorts of things that were obviously crammed into it purely because of court cases.Jan 05 02:45
DaemonFC[m]Someone the other day wrote an article about how Windows has bad, good, bad, good releases.Jan 05 02:46
DaemonFC[m]They listed Windows 98 as a good release. They obviously never used it.Jan 05 02:46
DaemonFC[m]I'm pretty certain that the era of major Windows versions is over with.Jan 05 02:47
DaemonFC[m]What is there left to do really?Jan 05 02:47
DaemonFC[m]Everything lately has been focused on rebranding.Jan 05 02:53
schestowitz__as walwaysJan 05 02:54
schestowitz__not just latelyJan 05 02:54
schestowitz__brb coffeeJan 05 02:54
schestowitz__ 05 03:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linus Torvalds tears into Intel, favors AMD | ZDNetJan 05 03:00
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: want to do some more Intel leaks?Jan 05 03:09
schestowitz__we have lotsJan 05 03:09
schestowitz__amazon shots self in foot 05 03:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Migrating a Legacy .NET Framework Application to .NET 5 Using Porting Assistant for .NET - YouTubeJan 05 03:14
schestowitz__*shootsJan 05 03:14
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DaemonFC[m] 05 03:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Job Posting Confirms Windows 10 UX Overhaul - Thurrott.comJan 05 03:20
DaemonFC[m]Someone mentioned Windows Explorer as an "app" that needs polishing.Jan 05 03:20
DaemonFC[m]Still no split view after all these years.Jan 05 03:21
DaemonFC[m]But they managed to take up a third of the left pane with Onedrive bullshit until you get around to uninstalling that.Jan 05 03:21
DaemonFC[m]Plus, the Windows 8 GUI was horrible and people responded to it by bolting a third party start menu back on and using it like Windows 7.Jan 05 03:22
schestowitz__after the manual run of remote backup of TM it seems to be failing every morning, creating empty filesJan 05 03:23
DaemonFC[m]They put a lot of resources into "Metro" just to have it flop.Jan 05 03:23
DaemonFC[m]This is a lot of back and forth on GUI designs that nobody wants ultimately to end up back with something that works like a prettier Windows 95.Jan 05 03:23
schestowitz__the local backups on /home work OK, so I guess it's just a setup/permission/IP thingJan 05 03:23
schestowitz__[03:20] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- Job Posting Confirms Windows 10 UX Overhaul - Thurrott.comJan 05 03:27
schestowitz__PR PaulJan 05 03:27
schestowitz__that shows they indeed struggleJan 05 03:27
schestowitz__ 05 03:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | According to Statcounter, Microsoft Windows Reaches Lowest Market Share Since 1990s (Now Just 31.8%) | TechrightsJan 05 03:28
DaemonFC[m]0.41% of Windows users are still on Vista.Jan 05 03:35
schestowitz__GE used itJan 05 03:35
schestowitz__they had us hop on it over rdesktop to ssh to their debian boxesJan 05 03:35
schestowitz__yes, VistaJan 05 03:35
schestowitz__in 2020Jan 05 03:35
schestowitz__over putty actuallyJan 05 03:37
schestowitz__last year, iirc,  windows was breaking itselfJan 05 03:37
DaemonFC[m]I might have that beat.Jan 05 03:37
schestowitz__so they realised it's stupid for linux-to-linux connections (to patch server) is a bad idea if done over VistaJan 05 03:37
schestowitz__also, some of those are sambaJan 05 03:37
DaemonFC[m]NT 3.51 in 2007.Jan 05 03:38
schestowitz__and Microsoft broke, using Windows Update, compatibility with itJan 05 03:38
DaemonFC[m]Companies leave all sorts of old stuff laying around.Jan 05 03:38
schestowitz__(of course the Windows thing was NEVER our idea)Jan 05 03:39
schestowitz__they are changing access methods nowJan 05 03:39
DaemonFC[m]When Microsoft's focus was on making upgrade license sales they badly fragmented Windows, stopped supporting old versions, and routinely sabotaged them on the way out.Jan 05 03:39
schestowitz__I heard other things about GEJan 05 03:39
schestowitz__they just try to firewall away the threatsJan 05 03:39
schestowitz__basically run some horrible toysJan 05 03:39
schestowitz__then hireJan 05 03:39
schestowitz__*hideJan 05 03:39
schestowitz__They also used some horrible windows-only thingJan 05 03:40
schestowitz__I forgot what it's calledJan 05 03:40
schestowitz__we used to have a virtual machine set up with windows just to use thatJan 05 03:40
schestowitz__so...Jan 05 03:40
schestowitz__rdesktop to windowsJan 05 03:40
schestowitz__then remote support sessionJan 05 03:41
schestowitz__vistaJan 05 03:41
schestowitz__then open puttyJan 05 03:41
schestowitz__ssh to debianJan 05 03:41
schestowitz__instead of just debian-to-debianJan 05 03:41
schestowitz__5 levels of indirectionJan 05 03:41
schestowitz__so-called 'security'Jan 05 03:41
schestowitz__with horrible proprietary crap in betweenJan 05 03:41
schestowitz__last year we shut down that windows vmJan 05 03:41
schestowitz__nobody was using itJan 05 03:41
MinceRsuits love this approachJan 05 03:41
schestowitz__count the threatsJan 05 03:42
schestowitz__windows vmJan 05 03:42
schestowitz__windows vistaJan 05 03:42
schestowitz__some proprietary remote support crapJan 05 03:42
schestowitz__and puttyJan 05 03:42
MinceRpresumably they get some kickbacks and get to blame proprietary vendors for the inevitable breachesJan 05 03:42
schestowitz__instead of just one: opensshJan 05 03:42
MinceRand probably don't think they have anything of value that would be copied or corrupted by an attackerJan 05 03:42
MinceR(then again, considering how suits work, the things they do probably helps move things in this direction anyway)Jan 05 03:43
schestowitz__iirc, you also worked for ge, indirectlyJan 05 03:43
MinceRi didJan 05 03:43
schestowitz__large military and nuke contractor :/Jan 05 03:43
schestowitz__public sector is betterJan 05 03:43
MinceRGE is in the public sector :>Jan 05 03:43
schestowitz__ombudsman, town halls, nhs...Jan 05 03:44
schestowitz__fewer suits, I assume..Jan 05 03:44
MinceRoh, wait, i mixed it upJan 05 03:44
MinceRsorry, it's obviously privateJan 05 03:44
MinceRi wouldn't want to work for the government hereJan 05 03:44
schestowitz__griftingJan 05 03:44
MinceRit's incredibly corruptJan 05 03:44
schestowitz__the US has no public sectorJan 05 03:44
MinceRespecially since 2010Jan 05 03:44
schestowitz__it privatiser everythingJan 05 03:44
schestowitz__they call it "franchising"Jan 05 03:44
DaemonFC[m]GE took over and ruined RCA.Jan 05 03:45
schestowitz__"Jobbik creators!"Jan 05 03:45
MinceRbasically even if a corporation manages to get a business deal with this government, you can tell that corporation is close to the state partyJan 05 03:45
DaemonFC[m]They had been reeling from a series of bad investments in the 60s and 70s.Jan 05 03:45
MinceRthey don't allow for any sort of productive competitionJan 05 03:45
DaemonFC[m]Including trying to compete with IBM's mainframe division.Jan 05 03:45
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: That's how you succeed. Jan 05 03:45
MinceRyes, in a corrupt stateJan 05 03:46
MinceRthen again, i doubt anything else is left on this cursed globeJan 05 03:46
DaemonFC[m]Become too big to fail. Get bailouts. Government contracts. Like Microsoft. Claim you love open source, but it has a lot of security problems only you, the maker of the OS with all of the millions of worms over the last few decades, can provide for it.Jan 05 03:46
schestowitz__ 05 03:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ LOL. "AI smart"... not enough... add MOAR #buzzwords Jan 05 03:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> | BHI260AP is an AI smart sensor with built-in IMU by Bosch SensortecJan 05 03:46
MinceRat least the USA maintains token competitionJan 05 03:46
MinceRcrApple for microshit, AMD for intelJan 05 03:47
MinceRhungary makes no such pretensesJan 05 03:47
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft supports the "responsible" usage of open source.Jan 05 03:47
DaemonFC[m]It has security problems that need to be "managed".Jan 05 03:47
schestowitz__we lost "source code"Jan 05 03:47
schestowitz__says MicrosoftJan 05 03:47
DaemonFC[m]Windows has never had any, you know.Jan 05 03:47
schestowitz__as if to implyJan 05 03:47
schestowitz__that source code must be secretJan 05 03:47
DaemonFC[m]They didn't lose source code, Roy.Jan 05 03:47
schestowitz__and if leaked, it's then a security diskJan 05 03:47
MinceRlolJan 05 03:47
schestowitz__*riskJan 05 03:47
DaemonFC[m]It's not like they woke up one day and it's like "Where did our source code go?".Jan 05 03:47
DaemonFC[m]The Russians found it! Made more of it.Jan 05 03:48
DaemonFC[m]They'll be inspecting it for weaponized flaws.Jan 05 03:48
schestowitz__sounds like... hmmm.,.. free softwareJan 05 03:48
schestowitz__except we don't have to HIDE oursJan 05 03:48
schestowitz__anyway...Jan 05 03:48
DaemonFC[m]da comrade!Jan 05 03:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | With Help From Donald Trump, Microsoft is Plundering and Looting the American Taxpayers, Then Gloating About It | TechrightsJan 05 03:48
schestowitz__"success"Jan 05 03:48
schestowitz__it's who you knowJan 05 03:49
schestowitz__not what you accomplishJan 05 03:49
schestowitz__money begets more money 05 03:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Donald Trump Helped Bill Gates Increase His Wealth by More Than 50%, Especially During the Pandemic | TechrightsJan 05 03:49
DaemonFC[m]Oh god. Could you imagine what would even become of this place if Trump had another four years?Jan 05 03:51
DaemonFC[m]I fear for what he'll do in the next 15 days.Jan 05 03:51
DaemonFC[m]Whatever it is it'll be worse than bad enough. Jan 05 03:51
DaemonFC[m]And there's so many idiots who saw what was unfolding, decided that it was just too horrific to acknowledge, like mom and dad, and decided to vote for this guy again.Jan 05 03:52
schestowitz__cultsJan 05 03:53
schestowitz__and social mediaJan 05 03:53
schestowitz__social controlJan 05 03:53
DaemonFC[m]They didn't want it to happen, they didn't want to feel responsible in any way for it, so they simply refused to "believe" that our country was anything less than "great again".Jan 05 03:53
schestowitz__with almost 30 trillion in debtJan 05 03:53
schestowitz__yay. magaJan 05 03:53
schestowitz__great like those 6 trump companiesJan 05 03:53
schestowitz__great loan ya got there, mateyJan 05 03:54
DaemonFC[m]These are like the Germans who kept ignoring Hitler no matter what he did lately, until Germany was in ruins and they were living in occupied rubble. Jan 05 03:54
DaemonFC[m]Russia has committed acts of war and we've got Trump up there going "Who knows who did it? Who knows? Could be anyone?".Jan 05 03:54
DaemonFC[m]This is unbearable. Each day I have to remind myself it'll be over soon. He'll be gone in like a bit over two weeks.Jan 05 03:55
DaemonFC[m]It's been 4 years of oh god is it over yet. Nope. Still happening.Jan 05 03:57
schestowitz__Trump was great... for the richJan 05 04:00
schestowitz__legalising their tax crimesJan 05 04:00
schestowitz__aka "tax breaks"Jan 05 04:00
schestowitz__and the corporate media went easy on him... re taxesJan 05 04:00
schestowitz__it was focusing on other aspectsJan 05 04:01
schestowitz__maybe to divide the populationJan 05 04:01
schestowitz__while the rich get vastly richer and buy the mediaJan 05 04:01
schestowitz__paying salaries to perpetuate those sorts of distractionJan 05 04:01
schestowitz__top 500 richest people got 1,800,000,000,000 dollars richer last yearJan 05 04:01
schestowitz__but look awayJan 05 04:01
schestowitz__let's focus on "racist" statuesJan 05 04:02
schestowitz__if only we removed them all, things will be Great AgainJan 05 04:02
schestowitz__"I cannot buy food for my kids, but the park I go to no longer had that piece of brass"Jan 05 04:02
schestowitz__*hasJan 05 04:02
schestowitz__looks like we're moving to MatrixJan 05 04:11
schestowitz__after I had been pushing and they listenedJan 05 04:11
schestowitz__but tbh jabber was ok alsoJan 05 04:11
schestowitz__just got a tip-dropJan 05 04:17
schestowitz__re fosdemJan 05 04:17
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: if you want to cover intel leaks with me, let me knowJan 05 04:17
schestowitz__we would be better off having multiple takes on the leaksJan 05 04:17
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schestowitz__ 05 04:27
schestowitz__"Jan 05 04:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [FOSDEM] Call for Participation: Legal & Policy Issues DevRoom at FOSDEM 2021Jan 05 04:27
schestowitz__Diversity StatementJan 05 04:27
schestowitz__-------------------Jan 05 04:27
schestowitz__The organizers of this DevRoom are committed to increasing theJan 05 04:27
schestowitz__diversity of the free software movement. To that end, our CFP processJan 05 04:27
schestowitz__takes demographic information into account in order to build a programJan 05 04:27
schestowitz__that features as many different voices and perspectives as possible.Jan 05 04:27
schestowitz__If you are comfortable doing so, please share any demographicJan 05 04:27
schestowitz__information about yourself in the "Submission Notes". Such disclosureJan 05 04:27
schestowitz__is not mandatory by any means.Jan 05 04:27
schestowitz__"Jan 05 04:27
schestowitz__Most of them are USiansJan 05 04:27
schestowitz__60%Jan 05 04:27
MinceRwhat a nice way of phrasing bigotryJan 05 04:27
schestowitz__> FSFE has now 2 people as organisers of the legal fosdem devroom, beforeJan 05 04:28
schestowitz__> it was organised by only 5 americans.Jan 05 04:28
schestowitz__Interesting. I will point this out.Jan 05 04:28
schestowitz__FSFE is largely sponsored by an American company, Google.Jan 05 04:28
MinceR"we don't want to host your talk because you're white and/or male"Jan 05 04:28
MinceRdoesn't sound quite as nice, does it?Jan 05 04:29
schestowitz__- Richard Fontana, Senior Commercial Counsel, Red HatJan 05 04:30
schestowitz__- Matthias Kirschner, President, Free Software Foundation EuropeJan 05 04:30
schestowitz__- Bradley M. Kuhn, Policy Fellow and Hacker-in-Residence at Software Jan 05 04:30
schestowitz__FreedomJan 05 04:30
schestowitz__   ConservancyJan 05 04:30
schestowitz__- Alexander Sander, FSFE Policy CoordinatorJan 05 04:30
schestowitz__- Karen M. Sandler, Executive Director of the Software Freedom Jan 05 04:30
schestowitz__Conservancy,Jan 05 04:31
schestowitz__  Adjunct Lecturer-In-Law Columbia Law SchoolJan 05 04:31
schestowitz__who is Alexander Sander?Jan 05 04:31
schestowitz__Never heard of it before...Jan 05 04:31
schestowitz__MinceR: I believe in diversityJan 05 04:31
schestowitz__of viewsJan 05 04:31
schestowitz__if that translates into other forms of diversity, fineJan 05 04:31
schestowitz__it should boil down to the messageJan 05 04:31
schestowitz__not identityJan 05 04:31
schestowitz__ 05 04:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Diversity Comes in Many Forms | TechrightsJan 05 04:32
schestowitz__Maybe Microsoft SpiedIn has some info on Alexander Sander,Jan 05 04:33
schestowitz__but I don't want to checkJan 05 04:33
schestowitz__I'm very suspicious of FSFE these daysJan 05 04:33
schestowitz__they took Microsoft money, tooJan 05 04:33
schestowitz__I am going to write something about thisJan 05 04:33
MinceRif people have interesting views, perhaps there's no need to refer to their race and/or gender as the reason for hosting their talksJan 05 04:33
MinceRif they don't, there's no "diversity of views" gainedJan 05 04:34
schestowitz__FOSDEM or FOSDEMerica?Jan 05 04:34
schestowitz__it also means companies like Microsoft will hire womenJan 05 04:35
schestowitz__and minoritiesJan 05 04:35
schestowitz__as they become more valuable in getting talksJan 05 04:35
MinceRare quotas necessary to make that happen?Jan 05 04:35
schestowitz__and saturating the events with Microsoft talking pointsJan 05 04:35
MinceRafter all, i keep hearing that women get paid less for the same jobJan 05 04:35
schestowitz__I think the 'problem' is exaggerated by corporationsJan 05 04:35
schestowitz__because they want to change NGOsJan 05 04:35
schestowitz__to better suit their own objectivesJan 05 04:35
schestowitz__so they name-callJan 05 04:36
MinceRthis sounds like it would make good economic sense for them to hire as many women as they can, regardless of quotasJan 05 04:36
schestowitz__and then offer their 'solutionsJan 05 04:36
MinceRbecause it would cost less to pay themJan 05 04:36
schestowitz__which they sponsorJan 05 04:36
schestowitz__ 05 04:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Outreachy as ‘Hush Money’ (Bribe) From Monopolies | TechrightsJan 05 04:36
MinceRso why the quotas?Jan 05 04:36
schestowitz__can you proofread with me?Jan 05 04:41
MinceRi can, but it's rather late so i'm more likely to miss errors nowJan 05 04:41
schestowitz__ 05 04:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FOSDEM or FOSDEMerica? | TechrightsJan 05 04:45
schestowitz__better try than not try at all to catch errorsJan 05 04:45
schestowitz__I didn't go into the whole gender angleJan 05 04:45
schestowitz__as it would distract from the main issueJan 05 04:45
schestowitz__which is nationalityJan 05 04:45
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz__ "DaemonFC: if you want to cover i"> Yeah.Jan 05 04:46
schestowitz__cool!Jan 05 04:47
schestowitz__give me a few minutesJan 05 04:47
schestowitz__I'll show you slidesJan 05 04:47
MinceR"After that blog," seems suspect, sounds more likely it was after a blog post, a sequence of multiple blog posts, or perhaps something happened to the blog?Jan 05 04:49
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: 05 04:51
MinceR"Some of them felt bad." feels a little unclear, but could be correctJan 05 04:51
schestowitz__MinceR: where?Jan 05 04:51
*schestowitz__ lacks contextJan 05 04:52
MinceR"After that blog," is in the paragraph starting with "Proponents of Codes of Conduct in free software organizations see this as a giant conspiracy"Jan 05 04:52
schestowitz__waitJan 05 04:52
schestowitz__maybe you read the older articleJan 05 04:52
schestowitz__not mineJan 05 04:52
MinceR"Some of them felt bad." is the last sentence of the paragraph starting with "The blog was syndicated on Planet Outreach, various other Planet sites and social media."Jan 05 04:52
schestowitz__the one to read is FOSDEM or FOSDEMerica? Jan 05 04:52
MinceRoh.Jan 05 04:52
schestowitz__:-)Jan 05 04:53
schestowitz__but the other one is also relevantJan 05 04:53
MinceRnever mind then :)Jan 05 04:53
schestowitz__I would not rewrite that older one as I am not the authorJan 05 04:53
MinceRyeah, it was a bit weirdJan 05 04:53
MinceRbut i didn't suspect that there was another URL i should have considered :)Jan 05 04:53
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: also 05 04:55
schestowitz__MinceR: maybe you found the older one of interest regardless Jan 05 04:55
schestowitz__it's concerningJan 05 04:55
schestowitz__because the author spent years in GSoCJan 05 04:55
schestowitz__as a mentorJan 05 04:55
MinceRthe period in "For a change." is not bold, and should beJan 05 04:55
MinceRi couldn't find anything elseJan 05 04:57
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: Jan 05 04:59
schestowitz__> The full documents are now here for you, please do not share the link!you can now delete it ;-)Jan 05 04:59
schestowitz__before people who read your mail (spies) download that as well ;-)Jan 05 04:59
schestowitz__I'll take time to study is carefully with help from a close group.Jan 05 04:59
schestowitz__MinceR: is it needed to make the full stop bold too?Jan 05 04:59
schestowitz__I thought notJan 05 04:59
MinceRit would look more consistentJan 05 04:59
schestowitz__ok, waitJan 05 04:59
MinceRafter all, the entire sentence is emphasizedJan 05 04:59
schestowitz__doneJan 05 05:00
MinceR:)Jan 05 05:00
schestowitz__now on to IntelJan 05 05:00
schestowitz__you can find two slide links aboveJan 05 05:00
schestowitz__watch what they deal with there..Jan 05 05:01
MinceRpng files?Jan 05 05:01
schestowitz__I will integrate some comments from DaemonFC[m] (last night)Jan 05 05:01
schestowitz__MinceR: yes, could be jpegJan 05 05:01
MinceRi don't really have context for the slidesJan 05 05:03
DaemonFC[m]What are these in regards to?Jan 05 05:04
DaemonFC[m]They're really terse with these slides.Jan 05 05:05
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schestowitz__do you want the full presentation?Jan 05 05:18
schestowitz__I can pass it privatelyJan 05 05:18
schestowitz__better yet:Jan 05 05:19
schestowitz__I will show you the draft of my postJan 05 05:19
schestowitz__it adds some contextJan 05 05:19
schestowitz__then you can add quotes on topJan 05 05:19
MinceRi should really go to sleep :)Jan 05 05:19
schestowitz__ 05 05:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What Is DX? (Developer Experience) | by Albert Cavalcante | The Startup | MediumJan 05 05:23
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: around and about?Jan 05 05:24
DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Jan 05 05:24
DaemonFC[m]These slides are out of context.Jan 05 05:24
schestowitz__ 05 05:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | InteLeaks – Part IV: At Intel, Developer Experience Mean Lots of Microsoft, Surveillance and Proprietary Software | TechrightsJan 05 05:24
schestowitz__it is very crudeJan 05 05:24
schestowitz__I have not even PREVIEWED it yetJan 05 05:25
schestowitz__the slides are what's importantJan 05 05:27
schestowitz__see if it's coherent at leastJan 05 05:27
schestowitz__at the end we'll likely publish the raw documents in fullJan 05 05:27
MinceRah yes, this sort of bullshit plagues every corporation i've seen from the insideJan 05 05:28
MinceRthe constant push to force broken proprietary shit on engineersJan 05 05:29
schestowitz__I made some correctionsJan 05 05:30
schestowitz__inc titleJan 05 05:30
schestowitz__wait till I get to CoCJan 05 05:30
schestowitz__and zdnetJan 05 05:30
schestowitz__it'll be a fun seriesJan 05 05:30
MinceR:>Jan 05 05:30
schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: still there?Jan 05 05:34
schestowitz__Incel Corp.Jan 05 05:35
schestowitz__"we love women"Jan 05 05:35
schestowitz__(And Linux)Jan 05 05:35
schestowitz__esp. WSLJan 05 05:35
schestowitz__ 05 05:35
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schestowitz__DaemonFC[m]: anyway, it's done nowJan 05 05:55
schestowitz__side note, quoteworthy, but definitely NOT for an article: "because its competitor, ARM, is said to have at least one whole team of full-time lawyers under the supervision of a former software developer working furiously to fight the GPL in any way they can and especially to see if they can remove it from software.  Such was the case a few years ago, can only predict that it is the same or worse now."Jan 05 05:55
schestowitz__(only for IRC)Jan 05 05:55
schestowitz__Seems like some people in Intel might be suffering a similar problemJan 05 05:55
schestowitz__in regards to using non-MicrosoftJan 05 05:56
schestowitz__The ARM angle might need separate leaksJan 05 05:56
schestowitz__and maybe even culprits namedJan 05 05:56
schestowitz__for now, ARM (soon NVIDIA :/ even more anti-GPL) is one alternative we do haveJan 05 05:56
DaemonFC[m]I was reading it.Jan 05 05:56
DaemonFC[m]I think that Intel has every reason to move closer to Microsoft's products. Jan 05 05:57
schestowitz__this is what they doJan 05 05:57
DaemonFC[m]At least from their point of view, Microsoft is the big fish as risk of escaping their pond.Jan 05 05:57
schestowitz__even MSVS and ShitHubJan 05 05:57
DaemonFC[m]And if they make successful Windows on ARM products, soon all the OEMs will.Jan 05 05:57
schestowitz__without Windows, Intel can collapseJan 05 05:57
schestowitz__x86 in generalJan 05 05:57
schestowitz__so AMD also has much to loseJan 05 05:57
DaemonFC[m]So it follows that Intel needs to position their CPU/GPU lineup to run Windows very well.Jan 05 05:58
schestowitz__I don't think ARM matters to Microsoft and vice versaJan 05 05:58
schestowitz__the x86 monoculture helped WindowsJan 05 05:58
schestowitz__not that's endingJan 05 05:58
DaemonFC[m]I've noticed that they're scrambling to do the kind of QA work on their drivers that they never cared much about before, on Windows at least.Jan 05 05:58
schestowitz__I focus on the angle of Intel's betrayalJan 05 05:59
schestowitz__and faked "love"Jan 05 05:59
schestowitz__on the server sideJan 05 05:59
schestowitz__though many gnu/linux laptops can also dump x86, e.g. chromebooksJan 05 05:59
schestowitz__some chromebooks have been arm-based for yearsJan 05 05:59
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, on Chrome OS is doesn't matter too much, I guess. But is there a Linux Container on the Mediatek versions?Jan 05 06:01
DaemonFC[m]Lenovo uses Mediatek ARM SoCs on Chromebooks now and I don't know that there's a Linux Container.Jan 05 06:02
schestowitz__ 05 06:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@imadsousou: I’ve decided to leave Intel. I am honored to have built the Intel Open Source Technology Center (OTC) with the most… 05 06:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@imadsousou: I’ve decided to leave Intel. I am honored to have built the Intel Open Source Technology Center (OTC) with the most… 05 06:02
DaemonFC[m]I don't think that Intel has any plans to stop supporting Linux.Jan 05 06:02
DaemonFC[m]They did just completely rewrite the graphics driver from the ground up to support Gallium3d.Jan 05 06:03
DaemonFC[m]Much of the Classic Mesa infrastructure had been around for years, basically just for them.Jan 05 06:03
DaemonFC[m]So they were maintaining a lot more than just rewriting the damned driver.Jan 05 06:03
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schestowitz__iirc, there was a move to make code for windows and linux in the same baseJan 05 06:10
schestowitz__and red hat x hackers complained Jan 05 06:10
schestowitz__saying it would make a mess with this "unified" codeJan 05 06:11
schestowitz__hard to maintainJan 05 06:11
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schestowitz__David?Jan 05 06:11
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schestowitz__"ZDNet [is] incorrect about Intel adoption of CoC"Jan 05 06:12
schestowitz__Ha! thanks!Jan 05 06:12
schestowitz__Not sure if you will find any more interesting info but I didn't like the push for Microsoft stuff... Jan 05 06:12
schestowitz__I'm sorting my notesJan 05 06:19
schestowitz__lots more to show about IntelJan 05 06:19
schestowitz__it'll be interesting to see if they start some media charm offensive soonJan 05 06:20
schestowitz__as is common when they need a distractionJan 05 06:20
schestowitz__to keep people away from the factsJan 05 06:20
schestowitz__EPO and IBM do thatJan 05 06:20
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DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I thought it was pretty lousy of IBM to send all of the Lotus Symphony code to Apache to rot.Jan 05 06:52
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz__: My attorney was having trouble getting a document. She said "I hate Microsoft 365!".Jan 05 06:52
DaemonFC[m]I mentioned that I use LibreOffice because it's free, compatible, and I too can't stand "cloud" or Microsoft Office.Jan 05 06:53
DaemonFC[m]I haven't used Microsoft Office since Office 95.Jan 05 06:53
DaemonFC[m]I actually really did like Office 95, but then 97 came out and it had all of that IE horseshit and didn't work on my modified version of Windows 98.Jan 05 06:54
DaemonFC[m]So I never bothered to update, and then switched to Star.Jan 05 06:54
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schestowitzjust made a 42-minute video about zdnetJan 05 07:32
schestowitzmaybe today too it'll take half a day to upload it :/Jan 05 07:32
schestowitz[06:52] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz__: My attorney was having trouble getting a document. She said "I hate Microsoft 365!".Jan 05 07:33
schestowitzso why use it?Jan 05 07:33
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schestowitzjust did another video, this one re qt licensing changesJan 05 09:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Class action alleges Coinbase acted unlawfully and fraudulently in listing XRP - CoinGeek - Business TelegraphJan 05 10:18
schestowitzlook up coinbase wikileaksJan 05 10:19
schestowitzif you don't already knowJan 05 10:19
schestowitzlater they did the same to groups other than wikileaksJan 05 10:19
schestowitzcoinbase should be blacklisted among those who know betterJan 05 10:19
vZS1> coinbase should be blacklisted among those who know betterJan 05 10:21
vZS1AgreedJan 05 10:21
vZS1It's (Coinbase) part of the cabalJan 05 10:22
vZS1Might be worth adding this to the TR wikiJan 05 10:22
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schestowitzif you get a list of press reportsJan 05 10:39
schestowitzwe can then make up a pageJan 05 10:39
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schestowitz says upload 0Jan 05 10:42
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schestowitzi did it thriceJan 05 10:42
schestowitzd/w 2.3mbJan 05 10:42
vZS1You need to file a complaint. I'm sure that's far less than advertised.Jan 05 10:46
vZS1That's illegalJan 05 10:46
Techrights-secSpeedtest sites may not give accurate results.  Many home ISPs prioritizedJan 05 10:46
Techrights-secttraffic to known speedtests and the true values are only known by testingJan 05 10:46
Techrights-secon ohter sites.Jan 05 10:46
schestowitz ipfs stats bwJan 05 10:47
schestowitzBandwidthJan 05 10:47
schestowitzTotalIn: 16 GBJan 05 10:47
schestowitzTotalOut: 7.1 GBJan 05 10:47
schestowitzthat's 7 upload/upstream, rightJan 05 10:47
schestowitz?Jan 05 10:47
vZS1YeahJan 05 10:47
vZS1Some households use that much in an hourJan 05 10:48
schestowitz1gb/dayJan 05 10:48
schestowitzthe usualJan 05 10:48
vZS1You should definitely contact your ISPJan 05 10:48
vZS1If they don't play nice just switch provider. There will be an alternative. Plenty in the UKJan 05 10:48
vZS1I get about 3 annoying me every month to switch to themJan 05 10:49
schestowitzmaybe they will just waste timeJan 05 10:49
schestowitzreboot this, thatJan 05 10:49
schestowitz It has only been this bad for maybe 30 hours, so I hope it'll solve itself. Maybe some exchange died somewhere, slowing down upload speeds until they repair it. Many things are possible and I really hate phoning some truly useless and powerless call centre that just follows manuals and won't lift a finger.Jan 05 10:49
schestowitz the whole tenability of making video is at stake though. There's no workaround, no pigeons for me to send with CD-ROM containing videos across the pond.Jan 05 10:49
schestowitzOne MB in 6 minutesJan 05 10:50
schestowitzlet me try from another PC...Jan 05 10:51
schestowitzpr same speedJan 05 10:58
schestowitzwife cannot use voipJan 05 10:59
schestowitzit cut off a loJan 05 10:59
schestowitzlotJan 05 10:59
schestowitzI really need to sort this outJan 05 11:00
schestowitz 05 11:01
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schestowitzattempting upload to london (my personal site)Jan 05 11:04
schestowitzvery slow as wellJan 05 11:04
*Disconnected (Network is unreachable).Jan 05 11:35
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schestowitzjust lodged a formal complaint with my ISP. they make it hard to do so, but they frame the issue as a financial one (upgrade)  rather than technical and they don't know what's wrongJan 05 11:58
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schestowitzthey have just phoned to tell me my contract does not guarantee upload speedsJan 05 12:10
schestowitzcontradicting what was said to me on the phone (very long call) the first time aroudnJan 05 12:10
schestowitzamazingJan 05 12:10
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psydroidI can see this ending up in a series of articles about ISPs and the politics going on behind the scenesJan 05 12:13
schestowitzI did those ages agoJan 05 12:14
schestowitzaround 2014 or 2015Jan 05 12:14
schestowitzI hope not againJan 05 12:14
schestowitzbecause it took up dozens of wastes hoursJan 05 12:14
schestowitzthat I could otherwise, at the time, cover EPO corruptionJan 05 12:14
schestowitzand it lasted like half a yearJan 05 12:15
schestowitzI had to argue with them today about who owns the lineJan 05 12:15
schestowitzand what openreach means to BTJan 05 12:15
schestowitzyou can imagine where it was goingJan 05 12:15
schestowitzanyway, after a while they reveal that I can in fact open a complaintJan 05 12:15
schestowitzan open they hide until an hour on the lineJan 05 12:15
schestowitzand they will phone again tomorrow at middayJan 05 12:15
schestowitzI am not here, after two rebooted (you can see 6 computers going offline and online)Jan 05 12:16
schestowitztrying to see if I can work around the issue somehowJan 05 12:16
schestowitzhe also lied about the test at his end not disconnecting meJan 05 12:16
schestowitzI told him not toJan 05 12:16
schestowitzhe said not to worry, it won't disconnectJan 05 12:16
schestowitzbut of course it didJan 05 12:16
schestowitznot I have a checklist to go through to restore servicesJan 05 12:17
schestowitzRestarted IP Cisco phoneJan 05 12:17
schestowitz(for work)Jan 05 12:17
schestowitzRasPi: access over SSH, run stuff in to start IPFS, then connect remotely to itJan 05 12:18
schestowitzMain machine: restart two IRC clientsJan 05 12:18
schestowitzConnect again to Raspi/other machines Jan 05 12:18
schestowitzthose are just half the tasksJan 05 12:18
schestowitzthe rest is a bit too personal tp pasteJan 05 12:18
schestowitzI now have to restart the webm upload :/Jan 05 12:20
schestowitzafter 5 hours of upload elapsedJan 05 12:20
schestowitzno option to resume after a router powercycleJan 05 12:20
schestowitzof course upload speed is still laughableJan 05 12:20
Techrights-secThe law or regulations migt have obligatory requirements.Jan 05 12:22
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psydroidI wish symmetric fiber internet connections were available everywhere, but it's taking a long time here tooJan 05 12:31
schestowitzyeahJan 05 12:40
schestowitzI did tell them assymetric speeds like these are insane, like 100 times faster for downloadJan 05 12:40
schestowitzcannot even do a  voip callJan 05 12:41
psydroidthat's absurd, as even I have a residential 30/3 mbps connection here and that's probably a higher upload speed than what you are gettingJan 05 12:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft planning ‘sweeping visual rejuvenation of Windows’ - The VergeJan 05 12:50
schestowitz# further losing traction in the marketJan 05 12:50
schestowitzvZS1: just tried againJan 05 13:02
schestowitzvoip is unworkableJan 05 13:02
schestowitzso no phonecalls nowJan 05 13:02
schestowitzcan that be partly dues to throttling with ipfs in mind?Jan 05 13:02
schestowitzit only does 1gb/day upstreamJan 05 13:03
schestowitz2 downstreamJan 05 13:03
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vZS1_2schestowitz: highly unlikely it's throttling. Plenty of people use IPFS just fine.Jan 05 13:30
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vZS1_2This is more your ISP being a dickwadJan 05 13:30
vZS1_2schestowitz: 05 13:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Your right to request a decent broadband service: What you need to know - OfcomJan 05 13:34
vZS1_2"Jan 05 13:35
vZS1_2From 20 March 2020, if you can’t get a download speed of 10 Mbit/s and an upload speed of 1 Mbit/s, you can request an upgraded connection.Jan 05 13:35
vZS1_2"Jan 05 13:35
schestowitzahaJan 05 14:37
schestowitzgoodJan 05 14:37
schestowitzI will mention this tomorrowJan 05 14:49
schestowitzthey're scheduled to phone mJan 05 14:49
schestowitz*me/usJan 05 14:49
schestowitzthe connection is still too slow upstream, it's not improvingJan 05 14:49
schestowitzor barely (I now transfer over the command line to monitor speeds)Jan 05 14:50
DaemonFC[m]Torvalds says you got twice the cpu for five times the money with an Intel Xeon so he always used their consumer lineup.Jan 05 14:50
DaemonFC[m]The Xeons were mainly different in that they supported ECC RAM.Jan 05 14:50
DaemonFC[m]But Apple didn't use ECC RAM in the Mac Pro, and the FirePro graphics cards were just RadeonHD with the firmware set to lie if you asked it.Jan 05 14:51
DaemonFC[m]No ECC RAM in those either.Jan 05 14:51
DaemonFC[m]Apple's always been cut rate on the hardware and who cares if it performs well or not. Absolutely no fan noise will be tolerated.Jan 05 14:52
vZS1_2The UPS I have has quite a loud fan, when it turns on. I guess Apple wouldn't approve.Jan 05 14:53
DaemonFC[m]So Intel's frequency scaling was broken on the Macs anyway. They set it to run at a low clock speed so that it wouldn't make noise.Jan 05 14:53
schestowitzcultsJan 05 14:53
schestowitzlike a little sound is heresyJan 05 14:53
DaemonFC[m]There's always a nasty surprise when you buy a Mac, and this time it's a bizarre CPU that nothing supports.Jan 05 14:54
schestowitzvZS1_2: my strategy is, I will keep up the pressure on themJan 05 14:54
schestowitztheir team leaders has already had it escalated to him, and I speak to a UK call centre (home), not overseas oneJan 05 14:54
DaemonFC[m]Expensive Chromebook, basically.Jan 05 14:54
vZS1_2>my strategy is, I will keep up the pressure on themJan 05 14:54
vZS1_2You should. You have a right. This is a regulated industry.Jan 05 14:55
DaemonFC[m]They don't care much about anything except their web browser and the app store.Jan 05 14:55
DaemonFC[m]I do wonder how long you'll be able to run the real Chrome or Firefox on macOS.Jan 05 14:55
schestowitzthey say they cannot change the config because it's automated... but this is your goddamned equipmentJan 05 14:55
schestowitzsome people stream HD over it, all day long... like that DRM netflix thingJan 05 14:56
vZS1_2That's not your problem. That's their problem. They're obliged to give you a certain level of service.Jan 05 14:56
DaemonFC[m]I mean, Mozilla ported it to the M1, which obviously is a higher priority for them than Linux, where it's the default web browser. They have their priorities wrong.Jan 05 14:56
vZS1_2Details are irrelevant.Jan 05 14:56
vZS1_2You don't get minimum obligation, you get them into trouble.Jan 05 14:56
DaemonFC[m]Because not supporting Linux well encourages people to see it as another crappy bundled browser, like Internet Explorer or Safari.Jan 05 14:56
DaemonFC[m]You go to load a page, it's broken. The page says to get Chrome.Jan 05 14:57
vZS1_2DaemonFC[m]: I saw some "comments" on the Tor browser blog about M1. It looked staged to me.Jan 05 14:58
DaemonFC[m]On Safari on iOS you get more support than Firefox from websites because Apple uses anticompetitive practices to force everyone to use SafariJan 05 14:58
DaemonFC[m]I can't imagine that Apple will be building CPUs that don't end up having hardware bugs.Jan 05 14:58
vZS1_2Just looked like an absurd M1 plug.Jan 05 14:58
DaemonFC[m]Most non-x86 CPUs had the same sort of side channel attacks.Jan 05 14:59
DaemonFC[m]Including MIPS ones that nobody has supported in years.Jan 05 14:59
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft will not be able to successfully transition away from x86. Their UWP and Windows Store strategy didn't work.Jan 05 15:01
MinceR(audio) 05 15:02
DaemonFC[m]A lot of UWP was designed to hide complexities from the user and make Windows software more portable, by it has not been accepted. Most likely, to Intel's delight because if they can't get the store going and can't shove platform-specific binaries to people transparently, then they'll just keep compiling for x86 and nothing changes.Jan 05 15:02
MinceRthey have another strategyJan 05 15:02
MinceRthey're taking over Linux, maybe they'll somehow get systemd tooJan 05 15:03
vZS1_2MinceR: IBM already beat them to it.Jan 05 15:03
MinceRhow long will IBM suits be able to resist their urge to sell it off, though?Jan 05 15:03
vZS1_2As long as they can keep convincing investors to buy/hold their shares.Jan 05 15:04
MinceR"oops, i accidentally sold off the personal computing division"Jan 05 15:04
MinceR"oops, i accidentally sold off the data storage division"Jan 05 15:04
MinceR"oops, i accidentally sold off red hat"Jan 05 15:04
vZS1_2Microsoft is still trying to hold on to the idea that people pay for software. That business model is dead in the water.Jan 05 15:05
DaemonFC[m]IBM has been dismantling itself for years. I don't think their PC division was losing money, they just lost interest and sold it for quick cash.Jan 05 15:06
MinceRthey're still the government-approved gatekeepers of the x86 OS marketJan 05 15:06
DaemonFC[m]Like the Chicago parking meter scandal.Jan 05 15:06
DaemonFC[m]CEOs are like politicians that aren't going to be around when the results of what they do set in.Jan 05 15:07
DaemonFC[m]So like politicians who say we'll take pension funding holidays and sell the parking meters to Citibank, it made sense to sell their PC business to Lenovo.Jan 05 15:07
DaemonFC[m]Lots of profit that quarter.Jan 05 15:07
vZS1_2IBM gets to steer the "consumer" GNU/Linux because they've got all the nice parts at their disposal. systemd, podman, etc..Jan 05 15:08
MinceRthe redmond mafia is also trying to make people believe that "Linux" is actually WSL on Backdoors10Jan 05 15:08
vZS1_2lolJan 05 15:09
DaemonFC[m]I laughed when RMS said that he was having a hard time criticizing a bank robber because of decades of sitting there watching banks rob the public with no consequences.Jan 05 15:09
vZS1_2Man has a pointJan 05 15:09
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schestowitzlolJan 05 15:13
schestowitzvZS1: the connection has gotten slightly fasterJan 05 15:19
MinceR 05 15:19
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schestowitzas much uploaded since before my nap (2 hours ago) as between 7am and the time they disconnected to test (about 5 hours)Jan 05 15:19
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schestowitzso about 35mb upstream, per hourJan 05 15:19
schestowitzaside from ipfsJan 05 15:20
schestowitz(unless it's doing it using the CLI that speeds things up a bit)Jan 05 15:20
DaemonFC[m]Walmart is running low on groceries again.Jan 05 15:20
DaemonFC[m]The news talks about where to vacation at.Jan 05 15:20
DaemonFC[m]It's not meant for you, that's for damned sure. It's a gigantic gaslighting operation. Nothing to see. Move along.Jan 05 15:21
*schestowitz wants to craft a script to automatically script video uploads to the serverJan 05 15:22
DaemonFC[m]It's looking about 60% closer to April than a fully stocked store.Jan 05 15:22
*schestowitz sure it was done by many people beforeJan 05 15:22
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: we're going to lockdown for a monthJan 05 15:22
schestowitzI've not left the house for 14 days nowJan 05 15:22
schestowitza new recordJan 05 15:22
schestowitzgoing into lockdown againJan 05 15:23
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: rianne says walmart might be low on items because people panic-buy or hoardJan 05 15:23
schestowitzwhich, let's face it, hard to blame someJan 05 15:23
DaemonFC[m]It is, but this whole thing is depressing. It didn't have to get this bad. It could get better in a matter of weeks if Trump wasn't still at it claiming the virus is overblown and that doctors are lying to people to make him look bad.Jan 05 15:28
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DaemonFC[m]There's no reason to make him look bad. He's a criminal. He's a fucktard. He's got 15 days left in office.Jan 05 15:29
DaemonFC[m]The doctors have absolutely no reason to lie.Jan 05 15:29
vZS1_2I just realised that KIRC interprets C-j as newline instead of CR.Jan 05 15:35
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I think the reason mom doesn't really care if Mandy's immigration case works out is that misery loves company.Jan 05 15:36
DaemonFC[m]So I've been too depressed to shop for groceries even, for the most part.Jan 05 15:36
vZS1_2I got so used to stty(1) with "inlcr" that I forgot it wasn't supposed to be like this.Jan 05 15:36
DaemonFC[m]I feel like I'm on my own in a world that's falling apart, and so it takes a toll on mental health, and then you go try to talk to people and nobody cares.Jan 05 15:36
DaemonFC[m]Maybe the answer is if this falls apart go oh well I tried and then become cold and detached, for the rest of my life.Jan 05 15:37
DaemonFC[m]Seems like how everyone is dealing with this. I've never seen such depravity on display. The worst crisis to ever hit and people just go oh well who cares, isn't me yet.Jan 05 15:39
DaemonFC[m]Maybe Congress will send me a few hundred bucks.Jan 05 15:39
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DaemonFC[m]I was listening to NPR talk about how much the states are fucking up vaccine administration.Jan 05 15:44
DaemonFC[m]Some states have only given 20-30% of the doses they've received so far.Jan 05 15:44
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DaemonFC[m]They anticipated that they would offer them and all of the healthcare workers would take them, and then only half do and they have a bunch of doses laying around that nobody wanted.Jan 05 15:45
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: she voted for a criminalJan 05 15:46
schestowitzwho blackmails officials to commit election fraudJan 05 15:46
schestowitzand in ukraine to open bogus, phony cases against a political rivalJan 05 15:47
schestowitz[15:44] <DaemonFC[m]> I was listening to NPR talk about how much the states are fucking up vaccine administration.\Jan 05 15:47
schestowitzNPR is Gated-bribedJan 05 15:47
schestowitzand they have defamed Gates criticsJan 05 15:47
schestowitzwithout even disclosing that Gates is their sponsorJan 05 15:48
schestowitzthen they blocked (in Twitter) people who merely pointed this outJan 05 15:48
schestowitzFor now, we don't even know if those vaccines are effective (in any/all cases)Jan 05 15:48
schestowitzset aside concerns about risksJan 05 15:48
vZS1_2Someone I know, who works for the NHS, told me that the Oxford vaccine costs £3 and that the Pfizer vaccine costs £28 (per dose).Jan 05 15:53
vZS1_2Almost 10 times as expensive. Jan 05 15:53
vZS1_2That's pretty ridiculousJan 05 15:53
DaemonFC[m]Well, they were saying 94% effectiveness and that most people developed protective antibodies 10 days after the first dose.Jan 05 15:55
DaemonFC[m]But a week in, 48 people who had been given the first shot contracted the disease at a hospital party (really?) where someone was wearing a "costume with a fan in it".Jan 05 15:56
schestowitzwho is they?Jan 05 15:56
schestowitzThe company?Jan 05 15:56
DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Jan 05 15:56
schestowitzlolJan 05 15:56
schestowitztell me when we have good dataJan 05 15:56
vZS1_2I am willing to distribute concrete statisticsJan 05 15:57
DaemonFC[m]Literally nobody should have thought it was a good idea to have a Christmas party in a hospital with someone wearing a costume with a fan in it.Jan 05 15:57
schestowitzyou can calculate how much money Billy makes from the whole thingJan 05 15:57
DaemonFC[m]These idiots are the health experts, too. Scary.Jan 05 15:57
schestowitza patent monopoly basicallyJan 05 15:57
schestowitzand TV puts him on like an expertJan 05 15:57
schestowitztalk about how to put people off and incite them against vaccination...Jan 05 15:57
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DaemonFC[m]Very low early voting rate in the most conservative counties.Jan 05 15:58
DaemonFC[m]"Worrying some Republicans."Jan 05 15:59
schestowitzwe already have reports of people getting COVID (and dying) after taking the viagra company's vaccineJan 05 15:59
DaemonFC[m]Well, what do you expect? Letting Trump say fake and corrupt election to the only people listening to him, Republican voters, and not correcting him.Jan 05 15:59
DaemonFC[m]Then you wonder why you might get wiped out.Jan 05 15:59
DaemonFC[m]The Democrats invested the campaign money in all the wrong places.Jan 05 16:00
DaemonFC[m]Senate races where it was like, you thought you could win in Kentucky.....'Jan 05 16:00
DaemonFC[m]Now they have to hope they can win both seats in Georgia, which is unlikely.Jan 05 16:01
DaemonFC[m]Although possible, I guess.Jan 05 16:01
DaemonFC[m]Good luck trying to get Democratic voters who don't even seem to remember there is a Senate, to vote.Jan 05 16:01
vZS1_2If someone has statistics about the vaccine's efficacy, I am interested in reading. No articles, just official reports.Jan 05 16:01
schestowitzwho needs data?Jan 05 16:02
schestowitzI saw articlesJan 05 16:02
schestowitzabout tom hanksJan 05 16:02
schestowitzobama Jan 05 16:02
schestowitzbushJan 05 16:02
schestowitzand chumsJan 05 16:02
schestowitzand lots of promotional marketing spam about "first person to receive" vaccineJan 05 16:02
MinceRno gates?Jan 05 16:02
schestowitzthat's a lot better than statistical dataJan 05 16:02
schestowitzceleb endorsementJan 05 16:02
schestowitzand "happy stories"Jan 05 16:03
schestowitzabout some random old person who took it and isn't deaJan 05 16:03
schestowitz*deadJan 05 16:03
schestowitzGoogle News had it on the front page when I checkedJan 05 16:03
schestowitzand mentioned it in an articleJan 05 16:03
schestowitzwith "fact check" (marketing for vaccines) on the side barJan 05 16:03
schestowitzit's rather nauseating Jan 05 16:03
vZS1_2I can't find any data.Jan 05 16:03
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schestowitzviagra company took so much taxpayers moneyJan 05 16:04
schestowitzit can emit 10% of it for media puff piecesJan 05 16:04
schestowitzand still have lots of cash rolling inJan 05 16:04
schestowitzvZS1_2: me neitherJan 05 16:05
schestowitzbut the vaccine is SO goodJan 05 16:05
schestowitzthat we lock down the whole natio nJan 05 16:05
schestowitzfor 1-2 monhsJan 05 16:05
schestowitzit's really THAT promisingJan 05 16:05
schestowitzlike Christmas "back to normality"... Johnson, July 2020Jan 05 16:05
DaemonFC[m]This country is basically finished. -George Carlin, 2008Jan 05 16:09
vZS1_2That's pretty much what's driving me around the bend as wellJan 05 16:09
vZS1_2If the vaccine is so good why on earth do we need a lockdownJan 05 16:09
schestowitzthat was when the economy collapsed for goodJan 05 16:10
schestowitzsince then it has been a zombie, faking itJan 05 16:10
DaemonFC[m]Even if it was good, they're fucking up the delivery.Jan 05 16:10
schestowitzsee how national debt inflated sinceJan 05 16:10
schestowitzeven prior to it with the oil wars post-9/11Jan 05 16:10
schestowitzthey just kick the can down the road/streetJan 05 16:10
DaemonFC[m]Playing Keystone Kops. Prioritizing people when they can't manage that and it would be better to give it to random people to at least administer what they have.Jan 05 16:10
schestowitzcovid19 exposed the ploy prematurelyJan 05 16:10
schestowitzand the capital was robbed (asset-stripping) by the oligarchy of the West, like USSR decades earlierJan 05 16:11
DaemonFC[m]They're prioritizing people where half of them are refusing the vaccine.Jan 05 16:11
DaemonFC[m]Then throwing out doses or scrambling to find random people to dose anyway.Jan 05 16:11
DaemonFC[m]This would be laughable if anything about it was funny.Jan 05 16:12
vZS1_2More importantlyJan 05 16:12
schestowitzthey need confidenceJan 05 16:12
schestowitzshow dataJan 05 16:12
schestowitznot celeb endorsementJan 05 16:12
schestowitzlike tom hanksJan 05 16:12
schestowitzand george w bush, war criminal\Jan 05 16:12
vZS1_2For the Assange trial, we have the judgement PDFs. We don't need the "news"Jan 05 16:12
vZS1_2Where the hell is the data for these vaccinesJan 05 16:12
schestowitzi could find none (yet)Jan 05 16:12
vZS1_2I could also find noneJan 05 16:12
DaemonFC[m]They should hang him.Jan 05 16:13
schestowitzbut the media has better things than data, which read like commercialsJan 05 16:13
vZS1_2And I don't think either of us are that incompetent at finding some bloody dataJan 05 16:13
schestowitzif only 100 people received it...Jan 05 16:13
schestowitzbut not 100 millionJan 05 16:13
DaemonFC[m]People make false equivalence between Trump and Clinton.Jan 05 16:13
schestowitzbtw, nations that gave it to many people still go into lockdownJan 05 16:13
DaemonFC[m]Like they were both bad so why does it matter.Jan 05 16:13
schestowitzso they lack confidence in that strategyJan 05 16:13
vZS1_2All I want for Christmas is data. But I got none.Jan 05 16:14
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vZS1_2There's just a bunch of information about trials and frameworks for trialsJan 05 16:17
vZS1_2Nothing on efficacyJan 05 16:17
vZS1_2Nothing that I could find, at least.Jan 05 16:17
vZS1_2"Jan 05 16:18
vZS1_2There are currently more than 50 COVID-19 vaccine candidates in trials. WHO is working in collaboration with scientists, business, and global health organizations through the ACT Accelerator to speed up the pandemic response. When a safe and effective vaccine is found, COVAX (led by WHO, GAVI and CEPI) will facilitate the equitable access and distribution of these vaccines to protect people in all countries. People most at risk will be prJan 05 16:18
vZS1_2"Jan 05 16:18
vZS1_2" While we work towards rolling out a safe and effective vaccine fairly, we must continue the essential public health actions to suppress transmission and reduce mortality."Jan 05 16:18
MinceRCoVoxJan 05 16:19
schestowitzWHO...Jan 05 16:19
schestowitzI don't trust what they did in recent yearsJan 05 16:19
schestowitztaking money from vaccine interestsJan 05 16:20
vZS1_2All that asideJan 05 16:20
schestowitzwhich by WHO's own admission corrupts WHOJan 05 16:20
vZS1_2Where is the data?Jan 05 16:20
schestowitzFDa maybeJan 05 16:20
schestowitzsome people vetoed the vaccines thereJan 05 16:20
schestowitzand Trump loosened rulesJan 05 16:20
schestowitz'coz emergency'Jan 05 16:20
schestowitzworse cases scenario there are long-term side effectsJan 05 16:20
schestowitzlesser: the vaccines are uselessJan 05 16:20
vZS1_2"There are currently more than 50 COVID-19 vaccine candidates IN TRIALS"Jan 05 16:20
vZS1_2_IN TRIALS_Jan 05 16:21
vZS1_2So where's the data for the trials even?Jan 05 16:21
schestowitzin which case money down the drain and distraction from possible real and effective solutionJan 05 16:21
schestowitzwho are the trials on?Jan 05 16:21
vZS1_2The WHO page just looks like a puff piece pageJan 05 16:21
schestowitzpoor tribes?Jan 05 16:21
schestowitzeasy to get all cynical about itJan 05 16:21
vZS1_2"Latest vaccine _news_"Jan 05 16:21
schestowitzBill Gates was quoted by the "media" as saying all the vaccines are goodJan 05 16:22
schestowitzor something to that effectJan 05 16:22
schestowitzI can search itJan 05 16:22
schestowitzand Gates is a vaccine scientist, of courseJan 05 16:22
schestowitznot a shareholder or somethingJan 05 16:22
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vZS1_2"Feature Stories"Jan 05 16:22
schestowitzhe didn't say if Sputnik-V is also goodJan 05 16:22
schestowitzprof. Gates knows allJan 05 16:22
vZS1_2"Multimedia"Jan 05 16:22
schestowitzthe media is all 'bill sez"Jan 05 16:22
vZS1_2But where "Data"?Jan 05 16:22
vZS1_2And this is the WHO.Jan 05 16:23
vZS1_2Not very encouragingJan 05 16:23
MinceRWHO, bought by red chinaJan 05 16:23
vZS1_2In most countries, you need to at least put a little paper leaflet with statistics about the medication being sold.Jan 05 16:26
vZS1_2So where is that even, for these "vaccines"Jan 05 16:26
vZS1_2My rabies, hepatitis, etc. vaccines all came with these little leafletsJan 05 16:26
vZS1_2But I haven't seen any for these COVID vaccinesJan 05 16:26
schestowitztoo easrlyJan 05 16:27
schestowitzexpeditedJan 05 16:27
schestowitzno docs yetJan 05 16:27
schestowitzbut pay upJan 05 16:27
schestowitz100 million per month from taxpayersJan 05 16:27
schestowitzthe docs will come "real soon"Jan 05 16:27
schestowitzfrom the companyJan 05 16:27
schestowitznot health ministriesJan 05 16:27
DaemonFC[m]Approval by tweet.Jan 05 16:28
schestowitzglorified tweetJan 05 16:29
schestowitzthe biggest tweetsJan 05 16:29
schestowitzbig leagueJan 05 16:29
schestowitztrump tweetJan 05 16:29
schestowitzframed Jan 05 16:29
schestowitzprintedJan 05 16:29
schestowitzand presented to senateJan 05 16:29
schestowitz"this is safe"Jan 05 16:29
schestowitz"look, I even printed a banner with a trump tweet on it"Jan 05 16:29
schestowitz"40,000 likes"Jan 05 16:29
schestowitz"and it was trending with a little text next to it, 'Sponsored by Pfizer"..."Jan 05 16:30
schestowitz(Twitter sells "trending" placements... no kidding)Jan 05 16:30
schestowitzSo it's trending, but not reallyJan 05 16:30
schestowitzsome things are "more trending" than othersJan 05 16:30
schestowitz"click here to find out more"Jan 05 16:30 05 16:30
*psydroid has the feeling the entire internet has become one big advertisement, so supposes the goals have finally been metJan 05 16:31
vZS1_2We will see how effective these "vaccines" are by the end of 2021.Jan 05 16:31
schestowitzheyJan 05 16:32
schestowitz"boris" said normalityJan 05 16:32
schestowitzby xmasJan 05 16:32
schestowitzhe didn't say which YEARJan 05 16:32
MinceR:>Jan 05 16:35
schestowitzvZS1_2 correctly asserted nationwide lockdownJan 05 16:36
schestowitzand was only 10 days 'off'Jan 05 16:36
schestowitzsaid xmas/boxing dayJan 05 16:36
schestowitzI think the latterJan 05 16:36
schestowitzit's effective today, jan 5thJan 05 16:36
schestowitzand for 1-2 monthsJan 05 16:36
vZS1_2Yeah. I called boxing dayJan 05 16:36
schestowitzupside is, for me, I still have my jobJan 05 16:36
schestowitzdownsize is, it's crush what's left of the economyJan 05 16:36
schestowitzI'll have more time to writeJan 05 16:37
schestowitzno access to a local store to buy proper mic/camJan 05 16:37
schestowitzand no access to a soldering kit I need for my raspi 4Jan 05 16:37
schestowitzbut I can delay thatJan 05 16:37
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schestowitzwe also need to do home repair, which will get complicated when people cannot enter the homeJan 05 16:37
schestowitzagain, not so  criticalJan 05 16:37
vZS1_2You can't lock down an entire country for so long and expect things to be back to "normal"Jan 05 16:38
schestowitzI had to assembly a washing machine myself last year, as you were not allowed to let installers inside the home (the older machine broke down)Jan 05 16:38
schestowitz*assembleJan 05 16:38
schestowitzvZS1_2: it's too late nowJan 05 16:38
vZS1_2People are going to ignore the lockdown measuresJan 05 16:38
schestowitzthe people we know are unemployed an without hopeJan 05 16:38
schestowitzpeople who must have physical access to do their jobJan 05 16:39
schestowitzvZS1_2: boy johnsonJan 05 16:39
schestowitzthe boy who cried wolfJan 05 16:39
schestowitzthe third time he calls lockdown people might not obeyJan 05 16:39
schestowitzand then he calls for tougher measureJan 05 16:39
vZS1_2I suspect there will be mass protests and riots very soonJan 05 16:39
schestowitzMayor "water cannon" JohnsonJan 05 16:39
schestowitzthat was a giveaway of what an autocrat he wasJan 05 16:39
vZS1_2Possibly in the next 30-60 daysJan 05 16:40
schestowitzand all his photo ops with criminal trumpJan 05 16:40
schestowitzwho blackmails officials to engage in election fraud... for HIMJan 05 16:40
vZS1_2People's savings are running dryJan 05 16:40
schestowitzif they have anyJan 05 16:40
vZS1_2IndeedJan 05 16:40
schestowitzbank did a mortgage "holiday"Jan 05 16:40
schestowitznot jubileeJan 05 16:40
schestowitzas if to tell us, "you'll be OK in a few months"Jan 05 16:40
schestowitzour next door neighbour leftJan 05 16:41
schestowitzI assume she lacked incomeJan 05 16:41
schestowitzthe house was put on saleJan 05 16:41
schestowitzwe bidJan 05 16:41
schestowitzthey sellers cannot have their pro-covid prices/estimates metJan 05 16:41
schestowitzwe bid very lowJan 05 16:41
schestowitzselling one's house does not helpJan 05 16:41
schestowitzpeople cannot get mortgagesJan 05 16:41
schestowitznot with another lockdownsJan 05 16:41
vZS1_2There is no universal support system to cope with this mass (suspension of|un)employment.Jan 05 16:42
schestowitzthe banks are corrupt, but not sicidalJan 05 16:42
schestowitzthe gov. bails out Bill and Pfizer, not banksJan 05 16:42
schestowitzover the past 12 days I tried to withdraw my pensionJan 05 16:42
schestowitzand they stonewallJan 05 16:42
vZS1_2There will be mobs out on the streets if this lockdown persists for much longerJan 05 16:42
schestowitzor send template textJan 05 16:42
schestowitzor won't even answer my questionJan 05 16:42
schestowitzor ask for papers I cannot provide due to lockdownJan 05 16:43
schestowitzthat's like airlines a year agoJan 05 16:43
schestowitzmaking it harder to get refunds for flightsJan 05 16:43
schestowitzseeing that shtfJan 05 16:43
vZS1_2I get ads from airlines to buy tickets on a daily basis. It's just a sham, at this point.Jan 05 16:43
schestowitzextended lockdown will give me more time (already 12 days of wasted docs) to drain them before they collapseJan 05 16:43
schestowitzvZS1_2: weird times, aye?Jan 05 16:44
vZS1_2Boris is playing with fire. He better be careful.Jan 05 16:44
schestowitzI have done lots of holistic thinking the past year, as did many other people... about how the money is distributed, meaning of work, who the money is owed to, and what really goes on inside countries that don't speak about COVIDJan 05 16:45
schestowitzI didn't expect the economy to collapse this fast... and overpopulation as catalyst for unemployment to become this severe so fastJan 05 16:45
schestowitzso the talk "bullshit jobs"Jan 05 16:45
schestowitzmany jobs have long been just thatJan 05 16:45
schestowitzand now is the reckoning timeJan 05 16:45
schestowitziirc, "Boris" (Alex) is of Estonian descentJan 05 16:46
schestowitzand he might make us the next BelarusJan 05 16:46
schestowitzwith riots over collapse of social order and political consentJan 05 16:46
schestowitzbullshitjobs 05 16:47
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vZS1_2People are not consenting to these lockdowns. They're a knee-jerk reaction. But the tolerance is wearing thing very quick.Jan 05 16:47
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vZS1_2s/thing/thinJan 05 16:47
schestowitz[16:47] <vZS1_2> People are not consenting to these lockdowns. They're a knee-jerk reaction. But the tolerance is wearing thing very quick.Jan 05 16:48
schestowitzbecause prior ones evidently did not workJan 05 16:48
schestowitzexcept very loosely, temporarilyJan 05 16:48
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vZS1_2Whatever the reasons. The population is getting restless with these suspension-of-everything policies. Unless you are a big business, of course. Then you can keep operatingJan 05 16:49
vZS1_2Eg. WH Smith is openJan 05 16:49
vZS1_2I saw it open when I went into town todayJan 05 16:49
vZS1_2I don't think you can call that "essential" to anyone.Jan 05 16:49
schestowitzBTW, they still want me to get "app"Jan 05 16:49
schestowitzi.e. "phone"Jan 05 16:49
schestowitzfor lots of things, inc. gov./town hall stuffJan 05 16:50
schestowitzthose are like RFIDsJan 05 16:50
schestowitzthey can use them for "stay-home" enforcement and finingJan 05 16:50
vZS1_2If they could, they'd chip people like dogs.Jan 05 16:50
schestowitzWilko is also openJan 05 16:50
schestowitzand they don't cover non-essential items like they're supposed toJan 05 16:50
schestowitzso they hoard all the saleJan 05 16:50
schestowitznot to mention online giants/etailers like amazonJan 05 16:51
schestowitznot even localJan 05 16:51
schestowitzand not paying taxesJan 05 16:51
vZS1_2Plenty of Amazon deliveries come into my area on a daily basisJan 05 16:51
vZS1_2Deliveroo still operating as normal as wellJan 05 16:51
schestowitzserf economyJan 05 16:51
schestowitz"gig"Jan 05 16:51
vZS1_2They get special treatment. You could hardly call Deliverro essentialJan 05 16:52
vZS1_2But they can access homes just fineJan 05 16:52
vZS1_2This is starting to stink and stink very badJan 05 16:52
vZS1_2This is a person, touching things, visiting multiples homes an hour (forget day).Jan 05 16:53
vZS1_2They don't even wear glovesJan 05 16:54
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vZS1_2So why can't, for example, a hairdresser, keep their shop open. They always wear gloves and sanitise their workspace.Jan 05 16:56
schestowitzdon't forget....Jan 05 16:57
schestowitzthe foodJan 05 16:57
vZS1_2Or a chippy shop where they need to clean their workspace all the timeJan 05 16:57
schestowitzthat they deliverJan 05 16:57
schestowitzwas handled (manual) by several other peopleJan 05 16:57
vZS1_2YeaJan 05 16:57
schestowitzincluding boxes and packagingJan 05 16:57
schestowitzwhich is a point I often made wrt war on cashJan 05 16:57
schestowitzthey can use sanitiser at the tillJan 05 16:58
schestowitzbut they cannot have it when handling dough and pastryJan 05 16:58
schestowitzyet cash... DIRTYJan 05 16:58
schestowitzfood, cleanJan 05 16:58
vZS1_2And you don't eat cashJan 05 16:58
schestowitzI'm not buying the other excuses and I spoke to some shopsJan 05 16:58
schestowitzone of which died Jan 05 16:58
schestowitzthey say the shops just don't want to handle fees associated with cash handlingJan 05 16:59
schestowitzand risk of getting armed robbersJan 05 16:59
schestowitzso nothing to do with COVIDJan 05 16:59
schestowitzall to do with exploiting it for cost-saving and spyingJan 05 16:59
MinceR05 175657 < vZS1_2> So why can't, for example, a hairdresser, keep their shop open. They always wear gloves and sanitise their workspace.Jan 05 16:59
MinceRthey breathe close to the client during the entire procedure, in a small enclosed spaceJan 05 16:59
schestowitzwhen I got my haircut weeks ago I kept a mask on, but they breathe not far from eyes and stuffJan 05 16:59
schestowitzMinceR: yeahJan 05 17:00
schestowitzbeat me to itJan 05 17:00
schestowitzaerosols and allJan 05 17:00
vZS1_2People breathe close to you in a supermarketJan 05 17:00
vZS1_2And smaller corner shopsJan 05 17:00
schestowitzdepends Jan 05 17:00
vZS1_2Those are small enclosed spacesJan 05 17:00
schestowitzgo at quiet timesJan 05 17:00
schestowitzthen you get 10 meter distancingJan 05 17:01
schestowitzand then we wash ALL the items we boughtJan 05 17:01
schestowitzI really don't want this virus near me and herJan 05 17:01
vZS1_2Walked around in the shops today and many people are right next to each other looking for thingsJan 05 17:01
schestowitzI want to be productive here, not to lie in bed like I did after my birthday for eating bad thingsJan 05 17:01
vZS1_2They don't really enforce social distancing unless you're queued at the checkotJan 05 17:02
schestowitz*layJan 05 17:02
vZS1_2checkout*Jan 05 17:02
schestowitzvZS1_2: choose other storesJan 05 17:02
schestowitzwhat?Jan 05 17:02
schestowitzwhat's that?Jan 05 17:02
schestowitzohJan 05 17:02
schestowitzthe machine they make you touchJan 05 17:02
schestowitzto serve yourselfJan 05 17:02
schestowitzto do the staff's workJan 05 17:02
vZS1_2They don't even have sanitiser at the checkoutJan 05 17:02
schestowitzand touch a machine touched by 100 people before you in the same dayJan 05 17:02
vZS1_2self or notJan 05 17:02
schestowitzwithout any sanitationJan 05 17:02
vZS1_2YeahJan 05 17:03
schestowitzI never ever used those machinesJan 05 17:03
vZS1_2The only place with sanitiser at the machine was my bankJan 05 17:03
schestowitzsometimes they operated these next to meJan 05 17:03
schestowitzbut at least they kept their job that wayJan 05 17:03
schestowitzsanitation is expensiveJan 05 17:03
schestowitzstaff is expensiveJan 05 17:03
schestowitzso touch the grubby machineJan 05 17:03
schestowitzand don't ask our staff to do... well, the staff's jobJan 05 17:04
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schestowitzturns out, rianne says that in lidl nobody wants to use the machineJan 05 17:04
schestowitzone very long queueJan 05 17:04
schestowitzand that's how they try to push people to work for freeJan 05 17:04
MinceR05 180034 < vZS1_2> People breathe close to you in a supermarketJan 05 17:04
MinceRand it is indeed unsafeJan 05 17:04
schestowitzmake the queue painfully longJan 05 17:04
vZS1_2I know it's unsafeJan 05 17:04
schestowitzand offer an alluring/seductive alternative nearbyJan 05 17:04
MinceRi have my groceries shipped to my home insteadJan 05 17:04
DaemonFC[m] 05 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"If I get corona, I get corona": Miami spring-breaker issues apology over viral comments - YouTubeJan 05 17:04
schestowitzbut then they risk losing actual customersJan 05 17:04
vZS1_2What I'm trying to say is that the lockdowns are not really lockdownsJan 05 17:05
MinceRstill, at least people would be in contact for a shorter time in supermarketsJan 05 17:05
vZS1_2preferential treatment to the big businessesJan 05 17:05
vZS1_2everybody else can go stuff themselvesJan 05 17:05
schestowitzbecause they control policyJan 05 17:05
vZS1_2sink or swimJan 05 17:05
schestowitzthat's not a new problem per seJan 05 17:05
schestowitzsocial control media is helping them gather intel Jan 05 17:05
schestowitzand repress uprisingJan 05 17:05
schestowitz"at scale"Jan 05 17:06
schestowitzthey build social graphsJan 05 17:06
vZS1_2You get shut down unless you're Lidl or a bankJan 05 17:06
schestowitzthey can spot early attempts to congregateJan 05 17:06
vZS1_2or WH SmithJan 05 17:06
vZS1_2"essential"Jan 05 17:06
schestowitzWIlkoJan 05 17:06
schestowitz60k new cases 05 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Covid-19 in the UK: How many coronavirus cases are there in your area? - BBC NewsJan 05 17:07
vZS1_2Yes. I really need to buy from Wilko. Will die without shopping at Wilko.Jan 05 17:07
schestowitzhow many of the got 'the' vaccine alreadyJan 05 17:07
vZS1_2And the chancellor Sunak already said furlough is not going to last foreverJan 05 17:07
schestowitzwoahJan 05 17:08
schestowitzlook at northern irelandJan 05 17:08
schestowitzit has spread very fast thereJan 05 17:08
vZS1_2People will get fed up soon enoughJan 05 17:08
schestowitz(based on testing anyway)Jan 05 17:08
schestowitz[17:07] <vZS1_2> And the chancellor Sunak already said furlough is not going to last foreverJan 05 17:08
schestowitzso start with UBIJan 05 17:08
schestowitzif we can afford it and, if so, at what levelsJan 05 17:08
schestowitz200 quid a might can cover bill but not rent Jan 05 17:09
schestowitzunless you want people living in bunk bedsJan 05 17:09
DaemonFC[m] 05 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Spring-breakers express frustration over coronavirus precautions in Miami - YouTubeJan 05 17:09
schestowitzwhich would spread covid... people have boyfriends and girlfrends...Jan 05 17:09
DaemonFC[m]"We're just trying to get drunk before everything closes! Like oh my glob. They just want me for my hot lumps! And I said, BRAD ISN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO MEEEE AT ALL!!!!"Jan 05 17:09
schestowitzLOLJan 05 17:10
vZS1_2It's not going to be a surprise if people start ignoring the lockdown wholesale. There's no support mechanism and people need to survive.Jan 05 17:11
DaemonFC[m] 05 17:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LSP (Lumpy Space Princess) Montage - YouTubeJan 05 17:13
DaemonFC[m]Adventure Time predicted the Coronavirus.Jan 05 17:17
DaemonFC[m]"I'm doing so great out here on my own. I found this can of beans. Wait, Melissa, I've gotta go. They're getting into my toilet paper!"Jan 05 17:18
vZS1_2lolJan 05 17:18
schestowitzvZS1_2: no support mechanism... important pointJan 05 17:18
schestowitznot even social support network/groupJan 05 17:18
schestowitzas they call them Jan 05 17:18
schestowitzno connection to fake onesJan 05 17:18
schestowitzlike FB "friends"Jan 05 17:18
schestowitzand social control media at largeJan 05 17:18
schestowitzbut rather empathy by human interaction, directJan 05 17:18
schestowitzmany people I know depend on thatJan 05 17:19
schestowitzthey live for itJan 05 17:19
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, and when the shit hits the fan, start asking those Facebook friends for help.Jan 05 17:19
DaemonFC[m]Not a single person will give a flying fuck.Jan 05 17:19
schestowitzand it's spied onJan 05 17:19
DaemonFC[m]If your own relatives don't care what's about to happen to you, why would some random person on Facebook?Jan 05 17:19
schestowitzI heard thatJan 05 17:20
schestowitzthis is why people kill themselvesJan 05 17:20
schestowitzrealising nobody really ever cared aboyt themJan 05 17:20
schestowitznot even at times of emotional distress and financial hardshipJan 05 17:20
schestowitzeach to his/her ownJan 05 17:20
vZS1_2What social media participants fail to realise is that they're actually advertising things for free and not getting anything back in return. They essentially all "work" for Facebook, Twitter, etc..Jan 05 17:20
schestowitzcause of point: your sis in law, DaemonFC[m]Jan 05 17:20
schestowitzvZS1_2: it's an art formJan 05 17:21
schestowitzand they get people addicted to themJan 05 17:21
schestowitzconflating "companies' with 'friends"Jan 05 17:21
vZS1_2"friends" = "affiliates"Jan 05 17:21
schestowitzit started from farmvilleJan 05 17:21
schestowitz 05 17:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FarmVille Once Took Over Facebook. Now Everything Is FarmVille. - The New York TimesJan 05 17:21
schestowitzthis is days oldJan 05 17:21
schestowitzsomeone sent it to meJan 05 17:21
schestowitz"Then, that June, came FarmVille. If you weren’t among the tens of millions of people tending a cartoon patch of land on Facebook each day, piling up an endless stream of cutesy collectibles, you were still getting copious nags and nudges from your friends asking for help. The game either pulled Facebook users into an obsession or persistently reminded them that they were missing out on one."Jan 05 17:22
schestowitzRianne used to play that "game"Jan 05 17:22
schestowitzand ask friends to waste their time tooJan 05 17:22
schestowitznetwork effect, social control networksJan 05 17:22
schestowitzobviously she quit fb not long after we first met (2011)Jan 05 17:22
vZS1_2They're very clever. They got billions of people to work for them, for free. And governments bail them out and give them taxpayer money.Jan 05 17:23
schestowitzshe would wake up at night before that... to "farm" in FarmVilleJan 05 17:23
vZS1_2They go to court and come out scott-free every time.Jan 05 17:23
schestowitzit's crazyJan 05 17:23
schestowitzworse than Tamaguchi Jan 05 17:23
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, before I quit Facebook I disabled the app platform because people would invite me to use apps I didn't care about.Jan 05 17:23
schestowitzTwitter was the same Jan 05 17:23
schestowitzspam 'invites"Jan 05 17:23
schestowitzit stopped at some point, not sure whyJan 05 17:23
DaemonFC[m]Like, nothing matters in life. I can tell you why these freemium apps are so popular. It's the existential dread that people are going through.Jan 05 17:24
schestowitzboredom alsoJan 05 17:24
DaemonFC[m]Life is pointless, nothing means anything, and nobody's supposed to be anywhere.Jan 05 17:24
schestowitztrying to feel productiveJan 05 17:24
schestowitztake selfieJan 05 17:24
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, like church. Jan 05 17:24
schestowitzspend an hour liking everything in your timelineJan 05 17:24
schestowitzthen they reciprocate blidnlyJan 05 17:24
schestowitzachievement of the day: posted selfies, gave 1000 "likes", got 100Jan 05 17:25
vZS1_2like+shareJan 05 17:25
vZS1_2Train our HEY HIJan 05 17:25
schestowitzpopularity contentJan 05 17:25
schestowitzcontestJan 05 17:25
schestowitzalbeit a totally virtual and meaningless oneJan 05 17:25
vZS1_2It is very meaningfulJan 05 17:25
vZS1_2Makes their advertising systems more effectiveJan 05 17:25
schestowitzyou can solve the world's problems with "likes"Jan 05 17:26
schestowitz"like" the anti-Trump tqweetsJan 05 17:26
schestowitzthat will stop himJan 05 17:26
DaemonFC[m]Thoughts and prayers. Jan 05 17:26
schestowitzwhen those tweets reach cumulative one billion "likes" he's automatically impeachedJan 05 17:26
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the 30th amendment or something.Jan 05 17:26
DaemonFC[m]I think we read about that. Jan 05 17:27
vZS1_2Facebook started advertising on YouTube. A friend of mine in Sweden showed me the add. I think they are in some trouble.Jan 05 17:27
vZS1_2There seems to be an exodus away from social mediaJan 05 17:27
vZS1_2People see how toxic it isJan 05 17:27
schestowitz"Sorry, mr. trump, we counted the number of likes in FB and twitter. YOU ARE FIRED"Jan 05 17:27
vZS1_2So they turn to the third worldJan 05 17:27
DaemonFC[m]Well, it works the other way too.Jan 05 17:27
vZS1_2TikTok, FB, etc are seeing largest growth in India, for example.Jan 05 17:27
schestowitz[17:27] <vZS1_2> There seems to be an exodus away from social mediaJan 05 17:27
DaemonFC[m]He was buying spambots to like his posts. Make it seem like he was adored.Jan 05 17:27
schestowitzI've been waiting for this for over a decadeJan 05 17:28
schestowitzand often asked aloud (friends), what comes AFTER?Jan 05 17:28
schestowitzbecause I don't knowJan 05 17:28
scientesXRevan86, in the last sermon (which is not part of the Koran) Mohammed said that the black is not greater than the white, not the white over the black, except in matters of piety. There is also something similar in the Koran, in chapter 33 on confederate (foreign) tribes. This is why I hesitate to agree that there is such a thing as too much religion. While it is OK to say someone is doing it wrong, and I suggested that each chapter be Jan 05 17:28
scientestreated as its own emotion, and it appears that the Homeric hymns are taking this strategy to Homer, as a way to avoid worshiping Mohammad in an attempt to understand the Koran (and male competition naturally tries this).Jan 05 17:28
schestowitzlast week I asked someone how this tiktok thing worksJan 05 17:28
DaemonFC[m]Twitter doesn't even know how many fake accounts are out there mostly to like Trump's tweets so they're just clearing out all of the followers on the government accounts after he's gone.Jan 05 17:28
schestowitzrianne_ knows more than me, though she never used itJan 05 17:28
schestowitzI think some youtube channels she follows show itJan 05 17:28
DaemonFC[m]It's not like they have an incentive to figure out how many fake accounts are liking things.Jan 05 17:28
vZS1_2TikTok is basically like Vine. Short video clipsJan 05 17:28
DaemonFC[m]Inflates the number of accounts that are shown advertisements.Jan 05 17:29
vZS1_2TikTok is also an advertising platformJan 05 17:29
scientesvZS1_2, YouTube also has something similar now too, in the Android and iOS apps.Jan 05 17:29
schestowitz[17:28] <DaemonFC[m]> It's not like they have an incentive to figure out how many fake accounts are liking things.Jan 05 17:29
schestowitzI said it mant yimesJan 05 17:29
scientesvZS1_2, TikTok also is an advertising platform for the CCCPJan 05 17:29
vZS1_2But even more aggresively optimised for advertisingJan 05 17:29
schestowitzalso twitterJan 05 17:29
schestowitzone hand typing :/Jan 05 17:29
vZS1_2Most TikTok users want to become "influencers" that get paid based on "likes" and "shares"Jan 05 17:30
schestowitzholding coffeeJan 05 17:30
scientesvZS1_2, they often get paid before they have any fameJan 05 17:30
DaemonFC[m]And it's a place for those "employment background check" parasites to harvest information about you.Jan 05 17:30
schestowitzI still don't know what some of the chat apps look like Jan 05 17:30
scientesvZS1_2, anyways, it is just Twitter of video---a complete waste of time, and impossible to say something using their pulpit that isn't noiseJan 05 17:30
schestowitzI think Instagram is just for photo manipulation, likes, commentsJan 05 17:31
vZS1_2It's a simple ecosystem. You get consumers all on it and then get a few of those users to become your marketers. They don't even need a marketing department, that way.Jan 05 17:31
DaemonFC[m]Did you see the JWZ blog post where a friend of his applied for a job and some company printed out and mail several _HUNDRED_ pages of his tweets where he liked or said something that "may reflect negatively".Jan 05 17:31
scientesit is not an ecosystemJan 05 17:31
schestowitzit's hard to properly understand those things when you never used themJan 05 17:31
DaemonFC[m]It's a social reputation score.Jan 05 17:31
scientesvZS1_2, have you taken a biology class?Jan 05 17:31
scientesdo you know what an ecosystem is?Jan 05 17:31
DaemonFC[m]They make you use your real name because then it's easier for these people to find you and start harvesting things.Jan 05 17:31
vZS1_2DaemonFC[m]: many birds, one stone.Jan 05 17:32
schestowitzGoogle used to email me asking me to do interviews for jobsJan 05 17:32
DaemonFC[m]They screw you out of a job where 20 years ago if you were out doing and saying things on your own time, nobody would know.Jan 05 17:32
schestowitzover the yearJan 05 17:32
schestowitz*yearsJan 05 17:32
DaemonFC[m]Sell it for pennies.Jan 05 17:32
schestowitzthat stopped after i joined Twitter and stuffJan 05 17:32
schestowitz"joined"Jan 05 17:32
XRevan86scientes: When an atheist book makes such observations no one blinks an eyeJan 05 17:32
schestowitzit was merely a copy of (FOSS), exported from itJan 05 17:32
DaemonFC[m]It's just too much of a liability to say things using your own name these days.Jan 05 17:32
DaemonFC[m]It can come up anywhere, at any time, completely out of context even.Jan 05 17:32
DaemonFC[m]They don't care.Jan 05 17:32
vZS1_2Social media platforms are all advertising platforms. That's their main source of revenue.Jan 05 17:33
scientesXRevan86, touchéJan 05 17:33
DaemonFC[m]Some company they paid said you were dodgy.Jan 05 17:33
vZS1_2Unlike before, you don't do TV ads now. You get "influencers" to create "content" about your product.Jan 05 17:33
schestowitztrueJan 05 17:33
schestowitzseen thatJan 05 17:33
schestowitzI am against youtube because of itJan 05 17:33
schestowitzand the people who do this are fakersJan 05 17:33
DaemonFC[m]Mandy uses Facebook.Jan 05 17:33
schestowitzthey only highlight numbers of their best videos/months/weeksJan 05 17:34
schestowitzto give a false impression of their reach/financioal gainJan 05 17:34
DaemonFC[m]There's no telling what gets compiled about him from there. It's a bad idea to use it.Jan 05 17:34
schestowitz17 years ago I saw many adsense posers onlineJan 05 17:34
vZS1_2There's still a lot of great material on YouTube. But it's infested with "influencers" much more than before.Jan 05 17:34
schestowitznot shills of google, just posersJan 05 17:34
schestowitzpeople pretending to make a living off Google adsJan 05 17:34
schestowitz[17:33] <DaemonFC[m]> Mandy uses Facebook.Jan 05 17:34
DaemonFC[m]Trump had Social Security make a regulation that lets them consider your social media posts if you're on disability and trying to renew your benefits.Jan 05 17:34
schestowitzIn Soviet Russia, YOU use FBJan 05 17:35
schestowitzIn the rest of the world, FB used YOUJan 05 17:35
DaemonFC[m]They wouldn't be trying to do it if they didn't think it would lead to "evidence".Jan 05 17:35
schestowitz*usesJan 05 17:35
schestowitzvZS1_2: we need to build networks around trust, not "viral" and spamJan 05 17:35
schestowitzmany linux blogs I followed for years became sEO and spam farmsJan 05 17:35
schestowitzwithout even changing ownersJan 05 17:35
schestowitzthe recipe is familiarJan 05 17:36
DaemonFC[m]All they want is "evidence" even if it doesn't mean anything. It lets them justify denials and say "Welp, there was a picture of you fishing.".Jan 05 17:36
schestowitzpuff piece about unrelated topics, with some embedded links linking to the "sponsor" of that spamJan 05 17:36
schestowitzI reckon they do this for only  few bucksJan 05 17:36
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: So the only way to win is not to play the game.Jan 05 17:36
schestowitzand the few readers they still had over RSS are goneJan 05 17:36
DaemonFC[m]If you don't use those platforms, there won't be data for them to get out of them about you.Jan 05 17:36
schestowitzthen the site shuts down, zero audience, reduced to spam farmJan 05 17:36
schestowitzthey 'monetise' it to deathJan 05 17:36
schestowitzIRC is not social conttrol mediaJan 05 17:37
schestowitzafaik, freenode is not selling dataJan 05 17:37
schestowitzand this is public anyway, loggedJan 05 17:37
DaemonFC[m]Private Internet Access owns it.Jan 05 17:37
schestowitz?Jan 05 17:37
schestowitzfreenode?Jan 05 17:37
schestowitzwhen did that happen?Jan 05 17:37
XRevan86scientes: Also, I am not sure what that means exactly.Jan 05 17:38
schestowitznot that PIA is evil BTWJan 05 17:38
scientesXRevan86, I think you already said itJan 05 17:38
MinceR 05 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4762288)Jan 05 17:39
schestowitzbottleneck for us this week is upload speeds Jan 05 17:39
schestowitzI need to upload over 300mb of videoJan 05 17:39
schestowitzI have the articles readyJan 05 17:39
schestowitzbut cannot post until the videos are "up there"Jan 05 17:39
schestowitzsome are about Intel leaks!Jan 05 17:40
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XRevan86scientes: No, I dodged the specifics.Jan 05 17:40
XRevan86scientes: Because I don't know what are the black and the white that are compared.Jan 05 17:40
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "when did that happen?"> A few years ago I think.Jan 05 17:40
schestowitzbrbJan 05 17:40
XRevan86scientes: Is it a skin tone (ethnic) thing? Or is it a collar (social class) thing?Jan 05 17:41
XRevan86Or something else entirelyJan 05 17:41
scientesislam does not have social classesJan 05 17:44
scienteswell, except slavesJan 05 17:44
DaemonFC[m]The founder of freenode was pretty much embezzling the funds for personal use.Jan 05 17:44
DaemonFC[m]But he died back in 2006 after a car hit him.Jan 05 17:44
XRevan86scientes: No distinction between the elites and peasants?Jan 05 17:45
scientesnot in islamJan 05 17:45
XRevan86No divine power to the monarch?Jan 05 17:46
scientesonly the prophetJan 05 17:46
XRevan86Doesn't like to share, eh :)Jan 05 17:46
scientes"His wives are your mothers"---33:XJan 05 17:46
schestowitz?Jan 05 17:47
XRevan86scientes: Prophet's?Jan 05 17:47
scientesI just read it, let me look up the full quoteJan 05 17:47
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Jan 05 17:49
DaemonFC[m]...Jan 05 17:49
DaemonFC[m]Four times higher than reported, and 35% more deaths than the official figure.Jan 05 17:49
DaemonFC[m]+849 deaths today with just 8 states reporting so far.Jan 05 17:50
XRevan86Could've been a worse disparityJan 05 17:50
scientes"The Prophet has a greater claim on the faithful than they have on each other. His wives are their mothers."--33:6Jan 05 17:51
XRevan86scientes: A holy father? Who would've figured…Jan 05 17:53
XRevan86interesting wordingJan 05 17:53
scientesit is of course a translationJan 05 17:54
scientesbut I like this translation--N.J. Dawood, who also has a good translation of 1001 Arabian NightsJan 05 17:54
XRevan86> Пророк ближе к верующим, чем они сами, а его жены — их матери.Jan 05 17:54
scienteslooks pretty similarJan 05 17:55
XRevan86> Пророк (Мухаммад) ближе к верующим (по Вере и в мирских вопросах), чем они сами (друг к другу), а его жены – их матери [жены Пророка чтимы и запретны для верующих, как и их собственные матери].Jan 05 17:55
scientes[][][][][]Jan 05 17:55
scientesthat is the problem with most translationsJan 05 17:55
MinceR:)Jan 05 17:55
XRevan86clarifications aplentyJan 05 17:56
scientesmuddificationsJan 05 17:56
XRevan86fairJan 05 17:56
scientesalso a nice pun in English :)Jan 05 17:56
XRevan86The proper antonym to "clear" would be "obscure"Jan 05 17:57
XRevan86clarity, obscurityJan 05 17:57
scientesyeah, but that wouldn't be a punJan 05 17:57
scientesand in Spanish miedo de la oscuridadJan 05 17:58
scientesfear of the darkJan 05 17:58
scienteswhich I am not going forJan 05 17:58
XRevan86"obfuscation"Jan 05 17:58
schestowitzvZS1: just showed up in Google News 05 17:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation Public Health Expands Technology and Public Health Community, Accelerates the Fight Against COVID-19Jan 05 17:58
schestowitzyour fav fake 'NGO'Jan 05 17:58
scientesXRevan86, 05 17:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - xoreaxeaxeax/movfuscator: The single instruction C compilerJan 05 17:58
schestowitzget your phone and "app" and contact-tracingJan 05 17:58
schestowitzfor the SAKE OF LINUXJan 05 17:59
schestowitzendorsed by George W Bush and Tom Hanks will wait for his turn to get the "app"Jan 05 17:59
MinceR 05 18:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4761433)Jan 05 18:00
XRevan86scientes: How risc-yJan 05 18:00
scientesmade me smileJan 05 18:02
XRevan86scientes: MinceR pic puns or my pun?Jan 05 18:03
scientesyoursJan 05 18:03
scientesnot much of a punJan 05 18:03
scientesreducto ad absurdumJan 05 18:03
scientesliterallyJan 05 18:03
XRevan86True that :)Jan 05 18:03
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: This whole lockdown thing and the location tracking makes me thing....we're all probationers now. Jan 05 18:07
DaemonFC[m]Nothing like turning your phone off and storing it in a potato chip bag to leave the state.Jan 05 18:07
schestowitzyou cannot turn some offJan 05 18:07
schestowitzthey will turn themselves off when battery is lowJan 05 18:07
MinceRyou can put those in a metal box and let them talk to themselvesJan 05 18:08
schestowitzbut they still have enoufgh juice to work remotelyJan 05 18:08
schestowitzto track you from towersJan 05 18:08
schestowitzbetter not to 'own' (rent) oneJan 05 18:08
schestowitzthey will look like they are "off", but you cannot tell for sureJan 05 18:08
schestowitzwhen rianne still had a mobile it would drain OUT FASTER (!) is turned off completelyJan 05 18:09
schestowitz*ifJan 05 18:09
schestowitzwhich was... well, weirdJan 05 18:09
schestowitzyou remove battery tooJan 05 18:09
schestowitzbut there are still capacitors in thereJan 05 18:09
schestowitznot sure how much it can feed off themJan 05 18:09
schestowitzdoubtfulJan 05 18:09
schestowitzsome phones have multiples batteriesJan 05 18:09
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: It's not real hard to block the GPS signal.Jan 05 18:09
schestowitzand only one can be removedJan 05 18:09
DaemonFC[m]Like I said, a bag of potato chips ought to do it.Jan 05 18:10
schestowitzthe other is soldered in like a diodeJan 05 18:10
schestowitzlike CPU clocksJan 05 18:10
schestowitzthe only phone we now have is wiredJan 05 18:10
schestowitzto the wallJan 05 18:10
schestowitzI used it today twice to make a complaint and lodge it with the ISPJan 05 18:10
schestowitzthey wanted to close it later but I opposedJan 05 18:11
schestowitzas the problem was not resolvedJan 05 18:11
schestowitzso they must phone again tomorrow at middayJan 05 18:11
schestowitzvZS1 gave me relevant cite (citation) from ofcom, the regulatorJan 05 18:11
schestowitzso I can still talk to peopleJan 05 18:11
schestowitzwithout "mobile"Jan 05 18:11
schestowitzthey act all surprise I don't have oneJan 05 18:11
schestowitzI told them "for privacy"Jan 05 18:12
schestowitzthey act all shocked if you only supply them with a landline, which THEY THEMSELVES supply, as contact numberJan 05 18:12
schestowitzand they know you work from home, like them... Jan 05 18:12
schestowitzweird world?Jan 05 18:12
schestowitzBT: Why do you only use the landline you pay us 20 pounds for every month?!?!?!Jan 05 18:13
schestowitz(you must pay for it regardless, otherwise you cannot have broadband... major scam)Jan 05 18:13
schestowitzhidden feeJan 05 18:13
DaemonFC[m]Why do they sell them if they don't have anyone using them?Jan 05 18:13
schestowitz220 pounds a year, "line rental" they call itJan 05 18:13
DaemonFC[m]Oh, that's illegal here.Jan 05 18:13
schestowitzyou must pay that for broadbandJan 05 18:13
schestowitzwhich is an additional costJan 05 18:13
schestowitzso the actual cost of broadband is misleadingJan 05 18:14
DaemonFC[m]They used to require dial tone to get DSL, but then the law changed, so they said "We'll sell you a dry loop DSL line for most of the cost and if you want a landline phone it's $6 a month.".Jan 05 18:14
schestowitzyou must "rent" the line... which few people use for anything other than broadband anywayJan 05 18:14
scientesXRevan86, it was both culture and race---it was arab over the non-arab, the non-arab over the arab, the white over the black, the black over the white---except in piety.Jan 05 18:14
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: I did point out the irony to themJan 05 18:15
XRevan86scientes: It makes sense for two reasonsJan 05 18:15
schestowitzof them treating as "bad' my using the number THEY provide me withJan 05 18:15
schestowitzbecause I MUST pay them for itJan 05 18:15
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Nobody wants a landline so they were very aggressive about not giving you much of a discount and scaring you that you may not be able to call 911 if your cell phone lost power.Jan 05 18:15
XRevan861. the source material gives preference to Jews, so for goys to try to flip the table as if it's they that are special is not very viableJan 05 18:16
XRevan862. Islam was expansionist from the start, it was not there just for one nation / one culture to adopt.Jan 05 18:17
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: I need your helpJan 05 18:18
schestowitzcan you read this short text?Jan 05 18:18
schestowitztell me if that makes sense to youJan 05 18:18
schestowitz 05 18:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Qt is Shooting Itself in the Foot With Licensing Changes | TechrightsJan 05 18:18
schestowitzI recorded it half a day agoJan 05 18:18
schestowitzmy connection was so bad it's not online until nowJan 05 18:18
schestowitzI worry about typosJan 05 18:18
XRevan86scientes: The mythos serves the goals. It just so happens that this particular kind of bigotry would not help Islam, so it's not incorporated into it.Jan 05 18:18
schestowitzI had a terrible day due to ISP crapJan 05 18:18
schestowitzand then I had to rewrite and restart thingsJan 05 18:19
schestowitzdesperate to get the connection goingJan 05 18:19
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: read quickly, it's shortJan 05 18:19
schestowitzvZS1: connection had gotten a lot better; not impossible that my escalations and hours of bickering paid offJan 05 18:20
schestowitzI made many good points about them, so they let me turn that into a formal complaint, which is rare unless you're a business customerJan 05 18:20
XRevan86scientes: Jews wanted to feel special, and so the mythos of Judaism says they are. Very much like Russian propaganda has Russian exceptionalism at its core.Jan 05 18:20
XRevan86If that branch of Russian propaganda was facing outwards trying to get recruits outside, it wouldn't do that.Jan 05 18:21
scientesthe cossacksJan 05 18:21
scientesI did not visit the museum of Russian expansion in California, but I was in the general areaJan 05 18:22
XRevan86But these days propaganda can be diversified (double think all the way), so they pull all the strings at the same time.Jan 05 18:22
scientesPlato's fucking caveJan 05 18:22
MinceRthe cave where Plato goes to fuckJan 05 18:23
XRevan86One True Book of any religion cannot send different messages to different people.Jan 05 18:23
DaemonFC[m] Phoronix article and its commentJan 05 18:23
DaemonFC[m]commentsJan 05 18:23
scientesMinceR, 05 18:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The word FUCK - YouTubeJan 05 18:23
MinceRniceJan 05 18:25
DaemonFC[m]Absolutely nobody is going to accept Qt like this, where version 6 doesn't even work and the LTS stable releases are proprietary. You can't base Free Software on any version in that case, unless someone forks the LTS series.Jan 05 18:25
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: thanksJan 05 18:26
schestowitzwill quoteJan 05 18:26
XRevan86scientes: So, basically, it's not a display of enlightenment, it's another example of religion serving political interests.Jan 05 18:26
scientesXRevan86, it certainly was after he conquered MeccaJan 05 18:26
MinceR 05 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4760945)Jan 05 18:27
DaemonFC[m]Most of the business plans around Qt failed to materialize and it's changed hands many times.Jan 05 18:27
scientesand the Koran has a chapter to the Quraysh, his clamJan 05 18:27
schestowitzDevelopers like yours truly (I've used Qt and GTK, among other toolkits) don't want to rewrite everything from scratch and reinvent the wheel (e.g. scroll wheel support). So we rely on <em>frameworks</em>. Qt has just become a helluva lot less attractive. No amount of technical merit will compensate for legal uncertainty.Jan 05 18:28
schestowitz"Most of the business plans around Qt failed to materialize," Ryan explains, "and it's changed hands many times." Until there will be nothing left to change hands?Jan 05 18:29
schestowitzanything else, DaemonFC[m]?Jan 05 18:29
schestowitzwill finalise in a minuteJan 05 18:29
schestowitzthen intel leaksJan 05 18:29
DaemonFC[m]There's some commercial products using Qt, but it's going to be hard to convince them to adopt newer versions or base anything else on it at this point. The logical thing to do is for those users to contribute to the fork so that they can be sure it continues to serve their needs.Jan 05 18:29
schestowitztyJan 05 18:30
XRevan86scientes: oh yea, I heard that there was a chapter targeting some specific group. I forgot about that.Jan 05 18:30
schestowitzfinalisedJan 05 18:30
schestowitzrefresh if you wantJan 05 18:31
schestowitz 05 18:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Brexit has comeJan 05 18:34
DaemonFC[m]I see they're writing Direct3D support into Qt6 and removing ANGLE. Jan 05 18:35
MinceRfinally Qt is becoming Backdoors-only?Jan 05 18:35
DaemonFC[m]That would require anyone porting Free Software to Windows who uses Qt to keep that in mind and write new Windows-only code.Jan 05 18:35
MinceRQt used to be focused on portabilityJan 05 18:36
schestowitzthey also make MSVS pluginsJan 05 18:36
schestowitzto help proprietary VSJan 05 18:36
schestowitzMicrosoft spywareJan 05 18:36
DaemonFC[m]Well, the translation layer that supports Direct3D on the backend, transparently, made more sense.Jan 05 18:36
schestowitzMicrosoft <heart> qtJan 05 18:36
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Can't people just use OpenGL?Jan 05 18:36
DaemonFC[m]Developers didn't have to worry about writing new code and never had to worry that if they invoked Vulkan they could literally end up with any implementation.Jan 05 18:36
schestowitznext upJan 05 18:37
schestowitzshut down mailing listsJan 05 18:37
schestowitzuse linkedin insteadJan 05 18:37
schestowitzand shithub for codeJan 05 18:37
schestowitzwith many "likes"Jan 05 18:37
XRevan86I don't see why Direct3D code is actually necessary.Jan 05 18:37
schestowitzI will never develop with qt againJan 05 18:37
schestowitzthey lost my trust when their chief posted inflammatory anti-FOSS crapJan 05 18:38
schestowitzwhile making some BS PR to "Open Source"Jan 05 18:38
schestowitzthankfully, many alternatives to qt do existJan 05 18:38
schestowitzmaybe even a fork soonJan 05 18:38
schestowitzlike qt-freeJan 05 18:38
schestowitzif they can use the TM of "qt"Jan 05 18:39
DaemonFC[m]The installable client driver model in Windows means that graphics card drivers bundle their own implementations of OpenGL and Vulkan.Jan 05 18:39
DaemonFC[m]Although Vulkan is more consistent, because they tend to use the open source stuff as a base for their ICDs, but the ICD still comes from the vendor. Jan 05 18:39
DaemonFC[m]GTK+ is still around.Jan 05 18:40
MinceRgtk is even worseJan 05 18:40
schestowitzit isJan 05 18:41
MinceRnot only did they integrate half a window manager (badly) to please the waylandows people, they also kicked out widgets used by gimpJan 05 18:41
schestowitzi used glade for itJan 05 18:41
schestowitzand gdk alsoJan 05 18:41
MinceRfrom the gimp toolkit.Jan 05 18:41
MinceRand they started copying crapOS even more closelyJan 05 18:41
schestowitzgtk is like a hacker toolsetJan 05 18:41
DaemonFC[m]I don't think there's any company even making LTS releases of that to begin with.Jan 05 18:41
schestowitzgtk 1.2 iircJan 05 18:41
schestowitzor 1.1Jan 05 18:41
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: of gtk?Jan 05 18:42
schestowitztk/tcl is uglyJan 05 18:42
DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Jan 05 18:42
MinceRtk can be beautifulJan 05 18:42
schestowitz 05 18:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Tcl - WikipediaJan 05 18:42
DaemonFC[m]I could be wrong, but it wouldn't really serve Red Hat's interest to have an upstream LTS version of GTK.Jan 05 18:42
schestowitz"Jan 05 18:43
DaemonFC[m]It would be another thing where it would be possible to see what they did to it for "enterprise linux".Jan 05 18:43
schestowitzStable releaseJan 05 18:43
schestowitz8.6.11 / January 4, 2021; 1 day agoJan 05 18:43
schestowitz"Jan 05 18:43
schestowitzat least it's still going and freeJan 05 18:43
schestowitz"LicenseBSD-style"Jan 05 18:43
schestowitz"Red Linux"Jan 05 18:45
schestowitzbut Big BlueJan 05 18:45
schestowitzPurpose SkiesJan 05 18:45
schestowitz*by Big BlueJan 05 18:45
schestowitzPurple SkiesJan 05 18:45
psydroidI went to Qt Meet in Amsterdam in late 2018 where they were showing new capabilities in the library, but also had a scare session about licensingJan 05 18:45
schestowitzBuy a MAINFRAME today, get a LICENCE for 2  RED LINUX ABSOLUTELY FREE! -KrishnaJan 05 18:46
schestowitzpsydroid: I don't trust any "dual" licensedJan 05 18:46
schestowitzit means proprietaryJan 05 18:46
psydroidAnd when I asked questions about KDE and scaling, they were a bit dismissive, as if it's some kind of embarrassmentJan 05 18:47
schestowitzwith free teasterJan 05 18:47
schestowitzor "openwash"Jan 05 18:47
schestowitzQt was used for LyXJan 05 18:47
schestowitzI grew up on that programJan 05 18:47
schestowitzMatthias (was that his name) then made KDEJan 05 18:47
schestowitzRMS convinced Qt (trolltech) to liberate itJan 05 18:47
schestowitzobviously they didn't sign a "for life" promiseJan 05 18:48
schestowitzit was nice while it lasted thoughJan 05 18:48
schestowitznow fork itrJan 05 18:48
schestowitz*itJan 05 18:48
psydroidI think Qt has had its natural home on free software platforms ever since Microsoft came up with .NET and Apple got their various GUI toolkitsJan 05 18:49
schestowitzold versions are still lgpl iircJan 05 18:50
psydroidalienating free software developers now will almost certainly lead to complete irrelevanceJan 05 18:50
schestowitzmaybe a lot of companies that used qt can pool money into forking itJan 05 18:50
schestowitzand co-develop it with some foundation of some kindJan 05 18:51
schestowitzand without shithub accountsJan 05 18:51
schestowitzas that would give Microsoft control over qt and things build with it, tooJan 05 18:51
schestowitzpsydroid: I think their plan is to shake down proprietary software makers who use qt in the chainJan 05 18:52
schestowitzbut again, how long can that last?Jan 05 18:52
schestowitzesp. if they realise a new fork existsJan 05 18:52
schestowitzand they don't need to pay qt for patchesJan 05 18:52
schestowitzinstead donate the maintainers of fork/sJan 05 18:52
DaemonFC[m]Khronos was puffing up Windows Vista.Jan 05 18:53
DaemonFC[m]They said its improved graphics model benefited OpenGL.Jan 05 18:53
schestowitzKhronos uss shithubJan 05 18:54
schestowitzopengl? OKJan 05 18:54
schestowitzKhronos's vulkan? no, thanksJan 05 18:54
schestowitzdon't need fancy effectsJan 05 18:54
schestowitzI used to develop with openglJan 05 18:54
DaemonFC[m]Then in the same article, showed that Windows Vista was running OpenGL apps 10% slower than XP.Jan 05 18:54
schestowitzcoglJan 05 18:54
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: but so what?Jan 05 18:55
schestowitzit's vistaJan 05 18:55
schestowitzit's betterJan 05 18:55
schestowitzfor microsoftJan 05 18:55
schestowitzand hollywoodJan 05 18:55
schestowitzmore DRMJan 05 18:55
schestowitzget vista todayJan 05 18:55
schestowitznot a free upgradeJan 05 18:55
schestowitzcomes in SEVEN editiobsJan 05 18:55
schestowitzunlike Vista 7Jan 05 18:55
schestowitzor was it six edition?Jan 05 18:55
schestowitzI forgotJan 05 18:55
schestowitzapple made fun of thatJan 05 18:55
DaemonFC[m]Windows Vista Starter Edition, Windows Vista Home Basic, Windows Vista Home Premium, Windows Vista Business, Windows Vista Ultimate Edition, and Windows Vista Enterprise Edition I think.Jan 05 18:58
DaemonFC[m]Ultimate Edition had all the features of Enterprise Edition. The only difference was Enterprise could use volume licensing keys.Jan 05 18:59
DaemonFC[m]I think Starter Edition didn't let you change the wallpaper and enforced a limit of three open applications with a GUI.Jan 05 18:59
schestowitzIt's only about midday in most of the US and 1,450 COVID-19 deaths tallied alreadyJan 05 19:01
schestowitz[18:59] <DaemonFC[m]> I think Starter Edition didn't let you change the wallpaper and enforced a limit of three open applications with a GUI.Jan 05 19:03
schestowitzeven the crippled gnome3 doesn't suck this much LOLJan 05 19:03
MinceRgive them timeJan 05 19:03
MinceRthey're still developing gnomeJan 05 19:03
MinceRi'm sure they'll get there eventuallyJan 05 19:03
MinceR"more than 3 applications at a time is too confusing for users"Jan 05 19:03
MinceR"more than 3 applications at a time violates our branding"Jan 05 19:03
MinceR"look how great iOS is with 1 application at a time, we've got to copy that, it's so modern"Jan 05 19:04
schestowitzRED Linux will run as many as you wishJan 05 19:07
schestowitzCentOS Stream will have 6 editionsJan 05 19:07
DaemonFC[m]I was asking my mom if she would sign a sponsorship affidavit for Mandy.Jan 05 19:13
DaemonFC[m]She thinks he's going to go on welfare and sue her or something crazy like that.Jan 05 19:13
DaemonFC[m]In other words, I think she's just getting at she's racist, she hates our marriage, she hopes it fails, and she's just not going to say it like that.Jan 05 19:14
DaemonFC[m]Not gonna come out and say it.Jan 05 19:14
schestowitzyupJan 05 19:15
schestowitzdon't be in denial about itJan 05 19:15
schestowitzthat's what she is and doessJan 05 19:15
schestowitzbut won't sayJan 05 19:15
schestowitzwouldn't shock me is homophobia is in the mix tooJan 05 19:15
schestowitzagainst her son and his partnerJan 05 19:15
schestowitznot merely racismJan 05 19:15
DaemonFC[m]It's that fundamentalist christian bullshit too. Yeah, she keeps wanting me to go to church.Jan 05 19:16
schestowitzshe votes Trump, remember...Jan 05 19:16
schestowitz"CHINA VIRUS"... "chinese virus"Jan 05 19:16
DaemonFC[m]She thinks if she helps push the marriage over then that's what'll do it, which is why she started telling Maricel all about my dirty laundry.Jan 05 19:16
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: Jesus saves!Jan 05 19:16
DaemonFC[m]I'm so fucking tired of hearing that shit, you have no idea.Jan 05 19:16
schestowitzhow did she get her contact number?Jan 05 19:16
schestowitz"here, have some flesh and jesus and drink his blood"Jan 05 19:17
schestowitz"bought you a necklace of jesus on a torture device"Jan 05 19:17
DaemonFC[m]Mandy thought if she talked to his sister it would help, and then she went and told her I was fucking crazy and I pissed off a friend of hers, which she absolutely will not drop, ever.Jan 05 19:17
schestowitzwith his hands and feet nailed to carved up woodJan 05 19:17
DaemonFC[m]I will never stop hearing about that.Jan 05 19:17
schestowitz 05 19:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Enter the Alien: UFOs as the New American Religion - CounterPunch.orgJan 05 19:18
schestowitzbrain rot USAJan 05 19:18
schestowitzthis is from yesterday/todayJan 05 19:18
schestowitzpeople look for alternate realitiesJan 05 19:18
schestowitzbecause real life sucksJan 05 19:18
schestowitzthat explains many split pesonalitiesJan 05 19:19
schestowitzpeople construct alternative realmsJan 05 19:19
schestowitzto escape the f-ed up oneJan 05 19:19
schestowitzin some alternate universe the oligarchs are reptiles or a cabal of pedos or somethingJan 05 19:19
schestowitzand "that explains everything"(TM)Jan 05 19:19
schestowitzQanon is one exampleJan 05 19:19
schestowitzremember: assange died 5 years agoJan 05 19:20
schestowitzaccording to some butJan 05 19:20
schestowitznutJan 05 19:20
schestowitzall the interview and the trials? That's an imposerJan 05 19:20
schestowitzor CGIJan 05 19:20
schestowitz 05 19:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Dark Reality of Betting Against QAnon - The AtlanticJan 05 19:20
schestowitzof course the sedition in Goergia never happened either... it's all "Fake"Jan 05 19:21
schestowitz*GoergiaJan 05 19:21
schestowitzGeorgiaJan 05 19:21
schestowitzI wonder if LT STILL reads TRJan 05 19:23
schestowitz 05 19:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linus Torvalds Rails At Intel For 'Killing' the ECC Industry - SlashdotJan 05 19:23
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: next intel article will be ready soonJan 05 19:23
schestowitzjust waiting for upload to finishJan 05 19:23
schestowitzit'll embarrass SJVNJan 05 19:23
schestowitzIntel workers don't think too highly of himJan 05 19:23
psydroidDRM is an "advantage" to Intel too, because it's not readily available on standard non-x86 GNU/Linux distributions (in contrast with Chrome OS) that are otherwise identical to and equally functional to the x86 ones ensuring that people will keep buying Intel chips for their various Hollywood addictionsJan 05 19:26
schestowitznever thought of it like thatJan 05 19:30
schestowitzwell, both Intel and 'hollywood' deserve insolvencyJan 05 19:30
schestowitzlong funded by EmpireJan 05 19:30
schestowitzto brainwash and put back doors everywhereJan 05 19:31
schestowitzbut the Empire is running out of financial resourcedJan 05 19:31
schestowitz*cesJan 05 19:31
schestowitzit can only still feed the super-richJan 05 19:31
schestowitzwho already took all the capital (work, labour) OUT of the country to tax-evading offshore accountsJan 05 19:31
schestowitzboth the oligarchs and their corporationsJan 05 19:31
schestowitzthey know what's coming to 'their' countryJan 05 19:31
schestowitzpeople working 2-3 jobsJan 05 19:31
schestowitzto feed that capital hoardJan 05 19:32
schestowitzsame in China BTWJan 05 19:32
schestowitz9 to 9, 6 days a weekJan 05 19:32
schestowitznobody getting rich, demand slumpJan 05 19:32
schestowitzI get 10-20 spam per day from chinese manufacturersJan 05 19:32
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: When I talked to the manager at the hotel about the first apartment complex, she asked me what happened.Jan 05 19:32
psydroidI've read those horror stories of people holding multiple microjobs in GermanyJan 05 19:33
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Oh, they turned out to be a couple of Karens. Called the police and everything because I asked why they were introducing so many problems into our application process.".Jan 05 19:33
schestowitzpsydroid: now we have "gig economy"Jan 05 19:33
psydroidso that's progress, I supposeJan 05 19:33
schestowitzit "sets you free"Jan 05 19:33
schestowitzyou work when you wantJan 05 19:33
schestowitzno holiday payJan 05 19:33
schestowitzno guarantee of ANY payJan 05 19:33
DaemonFC[m]It's not just black people that have to worry about the Karens, it's anyone that the Karen thinks is beneath it.Jan 05 19:33
DaemonFC[m]And Karens aren't always white. Maricel is Asian.Jan 05 19:34
schestowitzwho are they?Jan 05 19:34
schestowitz"Asian" is too vagueJan 05 19:35
schestowitzhalf of the world is "Asian"Jan 05 19:35
DaemonFC[m]Oh god, bunch of assholes really. In debt up to their eyeballs. If they are married, they have their husband's dick in a jar somewhere. Jan 05 19:35
DaemonFC[m]But they carry themselves around as if they were someone important, when they're not, because they're hoping you believe it.Jan 05 19:35
schestowitzthey think it'll become realityJan 05 19:36
schestowitzif you act like itJan 05 19:36
DaemonFC[m]Believing oneself to be important above all others is a mental illness.Jan 05 19:36
schestowitzit's a sick mindsetJan 05 19:36
schestowitzacross many spectraJan 05 19:36
schestowitzact like XJan 05 19:36
schestowitzand X you will becomeJan 05 19:36
schestowitzrent a FerarriJan 05 19:36
schestowitzand the money will comeJan 05 19:36
schestowitzFerrari Jan 05 19:36
schestowitzAct like you're sexyJan 05 19:36
schestowitzand sexy you will beJan 05 19:36
schestowitzpretend to be smartJan 05 19:36
schestowitzand then people will assume thatJan 05 19:37
schestowitzlots of oligarchs play the media to play along with itJan 05 19:37
schestowitz"self-made Xionnre"Jan 05 19:37
schestowitz*naireJan 05 19:37
schestowitzbut at the end they're the ones who go underJan 05 19:37
schestowitzlike 6-bankruptcies TrumpJan 05 19:37
schestowitzThere are European equivalentsJan 05 19:37
schestowitz 05 19:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Understanding Thierry Breton: “Mister Cash” and “Madame Bailout” | TechrightsJan 05 19:38
schestowitz" Bernard Tapie received an award of €404m approved by Lagarde "Jan 05 19:38
schestowitzAnother fake zillionaireJan 05 19:38
schestowitzbailed out by criminals in govt.Jan 05 19:38
schestowitzfound guilty Jan 05 19:38
schestowitznot arrestedJan 05 19:38
schestowitzthen IMF nJan 05 19:38
schestowitznow ECBJan 05 19:38
schestowitzthe lendersJan 05 19:38
schestowitzbailout out 'rich' crooksJan 05 19:39
schestowitzthievesJan 05 19:39
schestowitzparasites on the state purseJan 05 19:39
schestowitz[15:09] <DaemonFC[m]> I laughed when RMS said that he was having a hard time criticizing a bank robber because of decades of sitting there watching banks rob the public with no consequences.Jan 05 19:40
schestowitzThis is theftJan 05 19:40
schestowitzbut done by the richJan 05 19:40
schestowitzand bankstersJan 05 19:40
schestowitzdo you won't call it lootingJan 05 19:40
schestowitzblack people shoplifting would be called thatJan 05 19:40
schestowitzfor a $20 adidasJan 05 19:40
schestowitznot a $20 billion "bailout"Jan 05 19:40
psydroidthat same Bernard Tapie of Olympique Marseille infamy, I didn't know he was still aroundJan 05 19:40
schestowitzLagarde is tooJan 05 19:41
schestowitzECB Jan 05 19:41
schestowitzamazing, isn't it?Jan 05 19:41
schestowitzConvicted criminals running out banksJan 05 19:41
psydroidyesJan 05 19:41
schestowitzand the EU Commission!!Jan 05 19:41
schestowitzBretonJan 05 19:41
schestowitzdefending other criminalsJan 05 19:41
schestowitz 05 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Hosts a European Software Patents Propaganda Event (in ‘Hey Hi’ Clothing) Featuring Thierry Breton and Litigation Firms | TechrightsJan 05 19:41
schestowitzinstrumental in covering upJan 05 19:41
schestowitzand so you wonder why the public loses confidenceJan 05 19:42
schestowitzsorry, i mean to paste this one 05 19:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | European Commission’s Thierry Breton Covers Up EPO Corruption For His Friend Benoît Battistelli | TechrightsJan 05 19:42
schestowitzmore relevant, but a tad olderJan 05 19:42
schestowitzyou don't need to go to qanon with theories about pedos in chargeJan 05 19:42
schestowitzsimpler explanations would speak of crooks in chargeJan 05 19:42
schestowitzand building a framework of hand-washing puppetsJan 05 19:43
schestowitzto ensure nobody holds them accountable and the media hails them  as maligned heroesJan 05 19:43
schestowitznever mind arrest records, e.g. Gates arrested several times, then smugly smiling for the mug shotsJan 05 19:43
schestowitzhe know daddy was coming to bail him out againJan 05 19:44
schestowitzor pay bailJan 05 19:44
schestowitzlaws by the rich for the richJan 05 19:44
schestowitz"get out of jail card"Jan 05 19:44
schestowitzif you are "in the club"Jan 05 19:44
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 05 19:44
schestowitzI still need your helpJan 05 19:45
schestowitzto retrieve those court documentsJan 05 19:45
schestowitzas a US citizenJan 05 19:45
DaemonFC[m]I'm finding out how little that's worth each day.Jan 05 19:45
DaemonFC[m]Here, we let a plague loose. Hide in your house and pray that we don't decide to send a SWAT team to deport your honest, hardworking spouse who hasn't ever taken a welfare program and who pays taxes.Jan 05 19:46
DaemonFC[m]Mom and dad voting for the guy who did it.Jan 05 19:47
schestowitz 05 19:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux creator isn't happy with Intel, here's why - Latest News | Gadgets NowJan 05 19:48
schestowitzmany headlines like this todayJan 05 19:48
schestowitzI caught 5 alreadyJan 05 19:48
schestowitzthey miss the real newsJan 05 19:48
DaemonFC[m]They act like they actually deserve not to be despised for this.Jan 05 19:48
schestowitzlinux 5.11 rc-2Jan 05 19:48
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: it's a good thing Mandy isn't MuslinJan 05 19:49
schestowitzIf he was Muslim, your mom would have THREE reasons to hate himJan 05 19:50
DaemonFC[m]Trump's "Let them eat heard immunity!" reaction has cost our economy more in a year than if we took in immigrants on asylum visas for the next 10,000 years.Jan 05 19:50
schestowitztell your mom Mandy is converting to Islam Jan 05 19:50
schestowitzjust for spiteJan 05 19:50
schestowitzand tell her Mandy becomes a sheJan 05 19:50
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: check death toll todayJan 05 19:51
schestowitzuk is around 800Jan 05 19:51
schestowitzreally awful, it's catchup though (mostly, weekend)Jan 05 19:51
schestowitzit's a good thing Italy and Belgium do worseJan 05 19:51
schestowitzso we don't stand out as "sick man of Europe"Jan 05 19:51
DaemonFC[m]I mean, what does it really say about Christian Fundamentalism, really, when you say "What's so good about a religion that teaches you to hate your own children?" and they react with, "Well, if we were Muslims we'd drive over you with the car for an honor killing!".Jan 05 19:52
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: can you do the Intel article with me?Jan 05 19:52
schestowitzI am typing it up nowJan 05 19:52
schestowitzI need to mostly work to obscure my sources, it's the most time-consuming partJan 05 19:52
DaemonFC[m]Yeah.Jan 05 19:53
DaemonFC[m]I'm not hearing them stand up and defend themselves. I'm hearing, "Yeah, we're bad, but look at those other guys!".Jan 05 19:54
DaemonFC[m]Eh, Mandy stopped going to church when he didn't need to in order to survive anymore. And by survive I mean, his sister was parading him around a church that would have thrown them all out had they known he's gay.Jan 05 19:55
DaemonFC[m]So he knew better than to step out of line. Jan 05 19:56
schestowitzI will put in IRC what's unsafe for the articleJan 05 19:56
schestowitzbecause it's less visible hereJan 05 19:56
schestowitznot invisibleJan 05 19:56
schestowitzbut makes fishing expeditions a lot harderJan 05 19:56
DaemonFC[m]He grew to fear her so much that he continued undermining our situation for fear of what she would do to him. And in so doing, blurted out everything I told him not to say to her.Jan 05 19:56
DaemonFC[m]If this goes under, I probably never will be with anyone else. I can't stand how it always goes wrong somehow.Jan 05 19:57
DaemonFC[m]This time it'll be the government.Jan 05 19:57
schestowitzInteLeaks - Part V: Intel Misinformation Being Spread by ZDNetJan 05 19:58
schestowitzMicrosoft-connected propaganda site ZDNet (masquerading as "tech" "news") is disseminating misleading information or misinformation about Intel, tell us people who understand these matters better than mostJan 05 19:59
schestowitzthis is a draftJan 05 19:59
schestowitzsee if you spot mistakesJan 05 19:59
schestowitzorJan 05 19:59
schestowitzadd your viewsJan 05 19:59
DaemonFC[m]USCIS has become my Aunt Lydia, Roy.Jan 05 19:59
schestowitzI will embed them as I type it upJan 05 19:59
DaemonFC[m]The director of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest said that the Soviet Union had been his Nurse Ratched when someone asked why he directed the movie the way he had.Jan 05 20:00
MinceR(cat) (no audio) 05 20:00
schestowitzcorporate press or mainstream media is not trustworthy because of its ownership. It's not that it's incapable of finding out the truth; it's just that telling the truth, accurately, is oftentimes against its business model (for example, unfavourable to a corporate sponsor).Jan 05 20:01
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: I can easily embed responses from youJan 05 20:02
schestowitzas I only organise my notes now, turning them into article bodyJan 05 20:02
DaemonFC[m]Well, who said "Freedom of the Press goes to the people who can afford one."?Jan 05 20:03
DaemonFC[m]Something like that.Jan 05 20:03
schestowitzSome of the worst publishers have long been named and shamed here. We've been documented concrete examples for a very long time. We try to show actual evidence that they intentionally mislead the public and highlight <em>who benefits</em>...Jan 05 20:03
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Gates probably likes to corrupt NPR as a pet project because with CNN it's very obvious.Jan 05 20:04
DaemonFC[m]AMERICA IN CRISIS....Sign up for a credit card today at great intro rates!Jan 05 20:04
schestowitzWhen people receive a salary for their writings there are almost always some strings attached (to those who provide this monetary compensation, not because they charitably support journalism).Jan 05 20:05
DaemonFC[m]IN ANOTHER YEAR YOU WILL ALL BE DEAD OF CORONAVIRUS.....but in the meantime here's 21 great places to fly that still accept US passports!Jan 05 20:06
schestowitzAs Ryan as just put it, who said "Freedom of the Press goes to the people who can afford one"?Jan 05 20:07
DaemonFC[m]DONALD TRUMP TRIES TO STEAL THE ELECTION.........but Starbucks holiday cups are back and conservatives are forcing them to write Merry Christmas.Jan 05 20:07
schestowitz Jan 05 20:07
schestowitzIn this series' [cref 138129 introduction] we explained what we're about to show. In [cref 138157 Part I], [cref 138218 Part II], [cref 138278 Part III], and [cref 138291 Part IV] we've already shown some 'smoking guns' from Intel; the best (or worse) is yet to come.Jan 05 20:07
schestowitzPutting aside [cref 133037 obvious defamation], someone has pointed out to us that "ZDNet [is] incorrect about Intel adoption of CoC..."Jan 05 20:07
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: yes, PBS alsoJan 05 20:08
schestowitzhe bribes them tooJan 05 20:08
DaemonFC[m]The people who can afford the "press", are the advertisers.Jan 05 20:08
schestowitzwe covered thatJan 05 20:08
schestowitzhe repeatedly bribes NPRJan 05 20:08
schestowitznot a "one off"Jan 05 20:08
schestowitzso they need to 'behave'Jan 05 20:08
schestowitzor he will stop 'sponsoring' themJan 05 20:08
DaemonFC[m]So they tend to report based on who they think the advertisers can play to.Jan 05 20:08
DaemonFC[m]It's certainly no coincidence that Fox News wants people to think Biden will ruin the economy (Trump already ruined it.) so they'll hoard gold (from their advertisers, at high prices).Jan 05 20:09
DaemonFC[m]You'll never make money off the gold at those "commission rates", but you sell panic, and people lose the ability to think about what a rational investment is.Jan 05 20:10
schestowitzThankfully, as we hoped when we started this series, we are getting additional information from betrayed and disgruntled people, who are happy to see this information about Intel (belatedly aired thanks to whistleblowers).Jan 05 20:10
schestowitzOf course we welcome any additional input. <em>Techrights</em> is very robust or resistant to censorship in all its subtle forms.Jan 05 20:10
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Microsoft is desperately trying to wake up and pitch Windows again all of a sudden.Jan 05 20:11
DaemonFC[m]After a huge multi-year sales slump they think they can sell into the disaster. PCs for people who suddenly need to do everything over the web.Jan 05 20:11
schestowitzAs one person (insider) told us: "I didn't like the push for Microsoft stuff..."Jan 05 20:12
schestowitzWe'll get to more examples of this soon (later in this series). Intel is basically morally defunct and geeks are fed up with it. Their salaries won't change their minds on it...Jan 05 20:12
DaemonFC[m]It would be true to an extent except that the disaster is causing people to have little income and fewer priorities.Jan 05 20:12
schestowitzThe market share of Windows is rapidly decliningJan 05 20:12
DaemonFC[m]Even the immigration lawyers that were charging several thousands of dollars are now offering to pick up Mandy's case for $1,000 or so.Jan 05 20:12
schestowitz 05 20:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | According to Statcounter, Microsoft Windows Reaches Lowest Market Share Since 1990s (Now Just 31.8%) | TechrightsJan 05 20:13
DaemonFC[m]What does that turn into when you toss out iOS and Android?Jan 05 20:13
DaemonFC[m] 05 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Desktop Operating System Market Share Worldwide | StatCounter Global StatsJan 05 20:14
schestowitzThroughout the day today (in IRC) many of us decided that <b>YES!</b> Intel would definitely like the Wintel monopoly/duopoly back 'in order'...Jan 05 20:14
DaemonFC[m]Windows still on the decline I guess.Jan 05 20:14
DaemonFC[m]Although on the desktop, a lot of that is because of macOS apparently.Jan 05 20:16
schestowitz"Jan 05 20:17
schestowitzIt says: "Intel's open source projects will all comply to the widely-adopted Contributor Covenant." Jan 05 20:17
DaemonFC[m]It's strange that anyone would bother with that.Jan 05 20:17
schestowitzI asked legal if this was the case in a meeting. The answer was maybe for the Open Source Technology Center but not entirely for Intel.Jan 05 20:17
schestowitzProject choice. This came from the lawyer dealing with open source project licenses etc.Jan 05 20:17
schestowitzThe Open Source Technology Center is separate from other groups - like IOT and AI.Jan 05 20:17
schestowitzThe report about the adoption of the Contributor Covenant for all Open Source projects is highly exaggerated.Jan 05 20:17
schestowitzIn fact, I stopped a few projects personally from using the Contributor Covenant. The leads decided there was no need for a code of conduct - at all.Jan 05 20:17
schestowitz"Jan 05 20:17
schestowitzI will need to rewrite thisJan 05 20:17
DaemonFC[m]Code of Conduct is just a way to suppress people and debates that are embarrassing or inconvenient. Jan 05 20:18
DaemonFC[m]They write them in such wording that they could mean anything. It's like a disorderly conduct statute. Jan 05 20:18
DaemonFC[m]The purpose is to "maintain order".Jan 05 20:19
DaemonFC[m]Only with the CoCs, it's usually by disappearing someone permanently.Jan 05 20:20
schestowitz"Not sure if I can get any more Intel on Intel... but still have a few connections/friends, and can always ask."Jan 05 20:22
schestowitzI cannot post thisJan 05 20:22
schestowitzit can compromise a sourceJan 05 20:22
schestowitzI'll leave it in IRCJan 05 20:22
schestowitzany more commenrs?Jan 05 20:24
schestowitzI will publish the draftJan 05 20:24
DaemonFC[m]It looks like the person who banned me in #duckduckgo in 2009 is gone. Jan 05 20:24
schestowitzyou can add further commensJan 05 20:24
schestowitzI like your interpretation of these thingsJan 05 20:24
schestowitzmany people's input is in this articleJan 05 20:24
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: OK, quick! 05 20:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | InteLeaks – Part V: Intel Misinformation Being Spread by ZDNet | TechrightsJan 05 20:26
schestowitzI'm sure typos are in thereJan 05 20:26
schestowitzand we can enhance concision etc.Jan 05 20:26
DaemonFC[m]We’ve been documented concrete examplesJan 05 20:26
DaemonFC[m]documentingJan 05 20:26
DaemonFC[m]to those who provide this monetary compensation, not Jan 05 20:27
DaemonFC[m]and notJan 05 20:27
DaemonFC[m]As Ryan as just put itJan 05 20:27
DaemonFC[m]hasJan 05 20:27
DaemonFC[m]who said “Freedom of the Press goes to the people who can afford one”?Jan 05 20:28
DaemonFC[m]Actually, that looks okay..Jan 05 20:30
schestowitzthe rest reads ok?Jan 05 20:30
DaemonFC[m]the “press”,"Jan 05 20:31
DaemonFC[m]Extra quotation mark at the end?Jan 05 20:31
DaemonFC[m], and Part IV we’veJan 05 20:32
DaemonFC[m], and Part IV. We’veJan 05 20:32
schestowitzshould I remove the quotes from "press"?Jan 05 20:36
schestowitzpart 4 is part of a sentence, cannot add full stop thereJan 05 20:37
DaemonFC[m]No, just the trailing quotation mark after the comma.Jan 05 20:37
DaemonFC[m]I think the rest looks okay.Jan 05 20:37
schestowitz"The people who can afford the press," he adds, "are the advertisers. So they tend to report based on who they think the advertisers can play to."Jan 05 20:37
schestowitzI will promote with link on social control 'networks'Jan 05 20:37
DaemonFC[m]If Windows on the PC fails then Intel has nothing left.Jan 05 20:38
schestowitzwait till we get to github stuffJan 05 20:38
DaemonFC[m]They tried to promote their CPUs on Android and failed. Nobody used them.Jan 05 20:38
schestowitzyeahJan 05 20:38
DaemonFC[m]There was no legacy software to be concerned with.Jan 05 20:38
schestowitzatom etc.Jan 05 20:38
schestowitzI mentioned this in the video of the intro tJan 05 20:38
schestowitzthey sabotaged olpc alspoJan 05 20:38
schestowitzto push their crappy chipsJan 05 20:38
DaemonFC[m]Apple breaks things all the time because the Mac is really an expensive Chromebook to most people.Jan 05 20:38
DaemonFC[m]Nobody cares what CPU is running underneath Chrome OS.Jan 05 20:39
schestowitzthe video was done w/o preparationJan 05 20:39
DaemonFC[m]And if the PC OEMs that use ARM chipsets in their Chromebooks thought anyone did care, they wouldn't have already transitioned.Jan 05 20:39
schestowitzyou might find it of interest nonethelessJan 05 20:39
schestowitzthey're quick and cheap to makeJan 05 20:40
schestowitzthe upload is what takes timeJan 05 20:40
DaemonFC[m]And now Microsoft is making noise about Windows on ARM again.Jan 05 20:40
schestowitzyeah, I saw thatJan 05 20:40
schestowitzsomeone also sent me a linkJan 05 20:40
DaemonFC[m]I don't think it's feasible. I just think they want Intel under Maximum Pressure to give them good deals on CPUs for Surface laptops.Jan 05 20:40
DaemonFC[m]To increase hardware margins.Jan 05 20:40
schestowitzto paul  TROTTROTJan 05 20:40
schestowitzthe microsoft shills are stessedJan 05 20:41
schestowitzwindows 'supersite' will get no more 'hits'Jan 05 20:41
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft develops the OS anyway, so they don't charge for that. They sell the laptops at a high price because they want to compare them to Macbooks.Jan 05 20:41
schestowitzyeahJan 05 20:41
schestowitzvery expensiveJan 05 20:41
DaemonFC[m]If they can get concessions from Intel, they'll have a trifecta on margin.Jan 05 20:41
schestowitzfor no good reasonJan 05 20:41
schestowitzintel benefits from it alsoJan 05 20:41
schestowitzmaybe the OEMs Microsoft partners withJan 05 20:41
schestowitz$1000 for a lousy laptopJan 05 20:41
DaemonFC[m]The third party OEMs are not as important to Microsoft as they used to be.Jan 05 20:42
DaemonFC[m]I think they might be imagining a future where they can cut out the middle man and it'll be Microsoft laptops, Macbooks, and Chromebooks.Jan 05 20:42
schestowitz 05 20:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ZDNet - TechrightsJan 05 20:43
psydroidOEMs are tied to Wintel too, as there is no guarantee the current top vendors of Wintel computers would be the top vendors of Linaro (and other) computers as wellJan 05 20:43
DaemonFC[m]The only good thing about having the OEMs around is they help with economy of scale for the hardware and it costs Microsoft nothing to copy Windows.Jan 05 20:43
DaemonFC[m] 05 20:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Judge rejects another Trump attempt to decertify Georgia votes - CNNPoliticsJan 05 20:47
psydroidBut their hands may be forced if Microsoft decides to cut the OEMs outJan 05 20:51
schestowitz 05 20:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | T-Mobile Admits to Customer Info Data Breach Again - Make Tech EasierJan 05 20:52
psydroidWhich makes me wonder why Intel and Microsoft didn't or wouldn't at some point merge to become some kind of counterweight to AppleJan 05 20:53
DaemonFC[m]Great. T-Mobile bought Sprint. So they have my account.Jan 05 20:53
MinceR:(Jan 05 20:53
schestowitzdon't worry, it's in the clownJan 05 20:53
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DaemonFC[m]We really need for this election in Georgia to be a win for both Democrats. It's the only way any kind of economic recovery bill might pass, and they can vote to use the Congressional Review Act against a bunch of Trump's regulations.Jan 05 21:19
DaemonFC[m]I think the first item will be to cancel all of his last minute regulations using the CRA if they end up in control of the Senate.Jan 05 21:20
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Now my mom is claiming that members of Congress aren't really taking the Coronavirus vaccine.Jan 05 21:21
schestowitzI don't know of a vaccineJan 05 21:22
schestowitzI know of clinical trialsJan 05 21:22
schestowitzmaybe they will lead to a successful vaccinationJan 05 21:22
schestowitzfor now I watch the experimentJan 05 21:22
schestowitzas an observer onlyJan 05 21:22
schestowitzwill stay homeJan 05 21:22
schestowitzhumanity's biggest ever clinical trialsJan 05 21:23
schestowitzhundreds of millions of participants or sibjectsJan 05 21:23
schestowitzhope it goes wellJan 05 21:24
schestowitzI think my mom will get the viagra company's one...Jan 05 21:24
MinceR:>Jan 05 21:24
schestowitzif the experiment goes aeryJan 05 21:28
schestowitz*awryJan 05 21:28
schestowitzthan maybe viagra company will implement better (but slowed down) depopulation than COVID-19 could ever achieve on its ownJan 05 21:28
schestowitznot talking about sterilisationJan 05 21:28
schestowitzbut side effectsJan 05 21:29
MinceREXTERMINATE!Jan 05 21:29
schestowitzeven if heart issues are developed in just 1% of takers after 5 yearsJan 05 21:29
schestowitz3 billion peopleJan 05 21:29
schestowitz1% of them is 30 millionJan 05 21:29
schestowitzsoJan 05 21:29
schestowitzdo the mathsJan 05 21:29
schestowitzI will be watching Jan 05 21:29
schestowitzfrom hereJan 05 21:29
schestowitzgood luckJan 05 21:29
schestowitz(I have not even seen hard data/evidence yet that it is effective)Jan 05 21:30
schestowitzand is in fact reducing infection/death ratesJan 05 21:30
schestowitzvZS1 checked and reached the same conclusions, for now..Jan 05 21:30
schestowitzso no known benefits (yet)Jan 05 21:31
schestowitzand potential risks (not know yet, either)Jan 05 21:31
schestowitzexcept we know viagra company vaccine or clinical trials caused issues for people with allergy... this one we know because even mainstream media reported on itJan 05 21:31
*schestowitz does not need to be "antivaxxer" to distrust experiments (expedited, too) as opposed to well-established vaccines (polio, measles etc.)Jan 05 21:33
schestowitz 05 21:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Number of faulty children's vaccines in China surges to over 900,000 - CNNJan 05 21:34
schestowitzttps:// 05 21:34
schestowitz 05 21:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Outrage in China over thousands of faulty vaccines for children - CNNJan 05 21:34
schestowitzJust because a supposed vaccine exists does not automatically make it legit and risk free (it depends which one)Jan 05 21:35
schestowitz 05 21:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | DEFINE_MEJan 05 21:36
schestowitz 05 21:36
vZS1If there's legitimate data about efficacy, I will be one of the first to share the results and immunise myself by taking a vaccine.Jan 05 21:38
vZS1But I've literally found no proper data. Like said already, it's just a global trial.Jan 05 21:39
schestowitzmy dad agreesJan 05 21:39
schestowitzhe's very pro-vaccineJan 05 21:39
vZS1Even the WHO clearly state all that we have now is trialsJan 05 21:39
schestowitzbut not THIS one, not yetJan 05 21:39
vZS1I am also very pro vaccineJan 05 21:40
schestowitzcareful of the straw menJan 05 21:40
vZS1I've taken every vaccine I needed toJan 05 21:40
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schestowitzlike I said,  they make it binaryJan 05 21:40
schestowitzeither pro-ALL or anti-ALLJan 05 21:40
vZS1Have spent time debunking anti-vax bullshitJan 05 21:40
vZS1YeahJan 05 21:40
vZS1You're grouped in with the looniesJan 05 21:40
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schestowitzthen you have monopoly aspectsJan 05 21:40
schestowitzaside from effectiveness, risk etc.Jan 05 21:41
schestowitznobody wants to talk about itJan 05 21:41
schestowitzit harms salesJan 05 21:41
schestowitzmedia won't write about itJan 05 21:41
schestowitz"YOU ARE HELPING ANTIXAVVERS!!'Jan 05 21:41
vZS1At least the Oxford trial vaccine is relatively affordableJan 05 21:41
schestowitzoops, typosJan 05 21:41
schestowitzGates makes profits from itJan 05 21:41
schestowitz 05 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | While the Poor Get Sick, Bill Gates Just Gets Richer | The NationJan 05 21:41
schestowitzcorporations are "communities" nowJan 05 21:42
schestowitzmonopolies are "charities"Jan 05 21:42
schestowitzwelcome to Brave New WooooorldJan 05 21:42
schestowitzIf it makes you sick, GOODJan 05 21:43
schestowitzsomeone will profit from your sicknessJan 05 21:43
schestowitzGet real sick, odtenJan 05 21:43
schestowitzgood for the "economy"Jan 05 21:43
schestowitzfor the "job creators"Jan 05 21:43
schestowitzesp. where they have no public health systemJan 05 21:43
MinceR 05 21:43
vZS1schestowitz: that's a really good article. Did you share that on your personal website? I don't think I follow the RSS for thatJan 05 21:44
vZS1Send me a link, if you do have an RSS for thatJan 05 21:44
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vZS1I'll share that article. ThanksJan 05 21:44
XRevan86MinceR: Are you subscribed to some feed called something like CuteMatingFoxes?Jan 05 21:45
XRevan86I'm beginning to see a pattern here.Jan 05 21:45
MinceRnoJan 05 21:46
MinceRi just browse the "top" category on pr0gramm.comJan 05 21:46
MinceRalso, these seem to be too young to be matingJan 05 21:46
vZS1pr0gramm is like the German version of RedditJan 05 21:48
MinceRmore like imgurJan 05 21:49
schestowitzMinceR: foxy style again?Jan 05 21:56
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Jan 05 21:56
schestowitzvZS1: the nation is in our Daily Links, the good articles anywayJan 05 21:56
schestowitzI know the author onlineJan 05 21:56
schestowitzit was also mentioned in 05 21:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Latest Tim Schwab Investigative Report on Bill Gates Explores His Latest Vaccine Profiteering Drive | TechrightsJan 05 21:57
schestowitzvZS1: he is just critising rich peopleJan 05 21:59
schestowitzso he is "bitter" and "jelous"Jan 05 21:59
schestowitzcorporate media will shun such 'abusive' reportsJan 05 21:59
schestowitzjealousy is the blatant and foremost "line" against critics of GatesJan 05 22:00
schestowitz"just jealous"Jan 05 22:00
schestowitzignore the factsJan 05 22:00
schestowitzthey're just wishing they had his wealthJan 05 22:00
schestowitzTrump is unpopularJan 05 22:00
schestowitzbecause of "jealousy"Jan 05 22:00
schestowitznot cruelty"Jan 05 22:00
schestowitzThey "Want his wife"Jan 05 22:00
schestowitzetc. etc.Jan 05 22:00
schestowitz"Data science" typically means surveillance, the bread and butter of IBM 05 22:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Following the data science methodology – IBM DeveloperJan 05 22:03
vZS1It's a shame more readers don't participate in this IRCJan 05 22:04
vZS1They can learn so much moreJan 05 22:04
schestowitznot alwaysJan 05 22:06
schestowitzrememberJan 05 22:06
schestowitzmore is not always betterJan 05 22:06
schestowitzyou can end up with k00ks hereJan 05 22:06
schestowitzwe recently had major smtp issuesJan 05 22:06
schestowitzwhich we could not easily overcomeJan 05 22:06
schestowitzthat impacts people's ability to sign up and commentJan 05 22:06
schestowitzand if we got comments on our Gates articles, it would do more harm than goodJan 05 22:07
schestowitzand help paint the research as some looney stuff with qanon drones in commentsJan 05 22:07
DaemonFC[m]The state police never started working on my appeal.Jan 05 22:24
DaemonFC[m]So my FOID card will take ANOTHER YEAR to get back if they even start working on it now.Jan 05 22:24
DaemonFC[m]I remember schestowitz getting after me about my feeling that a lot of these COVID victims had it coming.Jan 05 22:25
DaemonFC[m]Well, I mean, if you think about it....Who isn't washing their hands, wearing a mask, or not avoiding mass gatherings?Jan 05 22:26
DaemonFC[m]Maybe a little collective punishment isn't the worst thing ever.Jan 05 22:26
DaemonFC[m]Most of the people getting this are arrogant, entitled, and ignorant.Jan 05 22:26
DaemonFC[m]It's a disease that uses ignorance to spread.Jan 05 22:27
DaemonFC[m]Who is having mass gatherings with no masks? Rave parties in Chicago and churches.Jan 05 22:27
DaemonFC[m]I don't get why the police can shut down one but not the other.Jan 05 22:27
DaemonFC[m]Should unlicensed rave be a religion so they can't shut them down?Jan 05 22:27
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Mom was actively shunned by all the people at her church for staying home. Then they had an outbreak there where damned near everybody got the virus.Jan 05 22:28
DaemonFC[m]It seems at least 24 Senate Republicans say they'll vote to certify the electoral votes.Jan 05 22:35
DaemonFC[m]That means that the objections won't do anything except waste floor time. 2 hours per state that is objected to.Jan 05 22:35
DaemonFC[m]The Republicans can't waste more than 102 hours of floor time, which would only take them up to like January 16th, and that's of they objected to every slate of electors, including Trump's.Jan 05 22:36
DaemonFC[m]The more objections they file, the more time to appoint judges and stuff they screw themselves out of.Jan 05 22:36
DaemonFC[m]The most I could see this going is objecting to all of Biden's electors which wastes maybe the next 5 days.Jan 05 22:37
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: They have a religious right to spread COVID, mostly between themselves, but to create clusters that everyone has to deal with.Jan 05 22:41
DaemonFC[m]After all, it's spiritual health that matters.Jan 05 22:42
DaemonFC[m]The financial health of the church even more, I suppose.Jan 05 22:42
MinceRit's the way Papa Nurgle wants it to beJan 05 22:42
DaemonFC[m]Once nobody is looking, donations drop.Jan 05 22:42
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DaemonFC[m]More worried about impressing others who are in the room with them than God, apparently.Jan 05 22:43
MinceRperhaps they secretly believe that "God" actually can handle moneyJan 05 22:44
schestowitzGod does not think he's Larry EllisonJan 05 22:47
DaemonFC[m]God loves you and HE NEEDS MONEY! -CarlinJan 05 22:48
DaemonFC[m]Of course he does.Jan 05 22:48
DaemonFC[m]All of those houses he doesn't even live in.Jan 05 22:49
DaemonFC[m]Lots of corrupt officials claiming to do his work while they fuck kids.Jan 05 22:49
DaemonFC[m]It gets expensive.Jan 05 22:49
schestowitzElectron bloat 05 22:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | New version of Windows 95 runs on Windows, macOS and Linux, with dedicated builds for ARM-based systemsJan 05 22:49
schestowitzanyone bothering with this crap?Jan 05 22:49
schestowitzthey keep pushing itJan 05 22:49
MinceRnopeJan 05 22:50
schestowitzit's just browser crapJan 05 22:50
schestowitznot platformJan 05 22:50
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schestowitzthat's like saying my bank is now "available for Linux"Jan 05 22:50
DaemonFC[m]Windows 95 running on an emulator. Woohoo.Jan 05 22:50
schestowitz 05 22:51
DaemonFC[m]What would you even do with it these days?Jan 05 22:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-God Loves You, but He Needs Money! George Carlin - YouTubeJan 05 22:51
DaemonFC[m]It's too old to work on the internet.Jan 05 22:51
MinceRsame as in the old days: overwrite it with a real OSJan 05 22:51
MinceRfree hype for the redmond mafiaJan 05 22:51
psydroidcrashes just as fast as it did when it was first releasedJan 05 22:51
schestowitzI used to link a lot to his skitsJan 05 22:51
schestowitzand then Assange copied them off me :-)Jan 05 22:51
DaemonFC[m]It predates DirectX.Jan 05 22:51
schestowitzhopefully he'll be out soonJan 05 22:51
DaemonFC[m]It won't have media codecs.Jan 05 22:51
MinceRi guess you could run Adobe Trash on itJan 05 22:51
DaemonFC[m]Hey, no media codecs.Jan 05 22:51
schestowitzMinceR: :-)Jan 05 22:52
DaemonFC[m]Maybe it's safe from those weaponized exploits against Tails.Jan 05 22:52
MinceRis the weaponized exploit against Tails called "systemd"?Jan 05 22:52
schestowitzI heard Heads is not maintained anymoreJan 05 22:52
schestowitzsince 2019 iircJan 05 22:52
MinceRor is it some other one?Jan 05 22:52
schestowitzno releasesJan 05 22:52
schestowitzit's tails sans systemd***Jan 05 22:52
psydroidwhat is Adobe's role in the push for the reanimation of Backdoors?Jan 05 22:54
MinceRprobably nothingJan 05 22:55
MinceRbut i still occasionally encounter pages that depend on TrashJan 05 22:55
MinceRi figured it would be fittingJan 05 22:55
schestowitzmaybe one day www/html tooJan 05 23:01
schestowitzwill be deprecated within a  decadeJan 05 23:01
MinceRonly if the oligarchy manages to come up with something even worseJan 05 23:01
schestowitzwhat to be replaced by? Who knows... let's wait and see, hoping it's not more DRM and monopolistic garbageJan 05 23:01
schestowitzwww grew as a way out of monopoliesJan 05 23:02
schestowitznow we need www alternativesJan 05 23:02
schestowitzfor the same reasonsJan 05 23:02
schestowitzwww became like apiJan 05 23:02
schestowitzto bypass passing .doc crap aroundJan 05 23:02
schestowitzand ms file serversJan 05 23:02
schestowitzvZS1: 05 23:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Cryptocurrency stealer for Windows, macOS, and Linux went undetected for a year | Ars TechnicaJan 05 23:05
schestowitzFUD still in full swingJan 05 23:05
schestowitzhe got sued for libel alreadyJan 05 23:05
schestowitz 05 23:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Dan Goodin | Ars TechnicaJan 05 23:05
schestowitzchanged his manipulated photroJan 05 23:05
schestowitzused to be in El Reg Jan 05 23:05
schestowitzNow works for Arse Technically PedophileJan 05 23:05
schestowitzwhere the author/moderator was arrested for raping childrenJan 05 23:06
schestowitz 05 23:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Peter is a Pedophile, Arrested Without Bail | TechrightsJan 05 23:06
MinceRdan goodin is the new drpizza?Jan 05 23:06
schestowitznoJan 05 23:06
schestowitzhe's a clickbait arseJan 05 23:06
MinceR 05 23:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ #dangoodin at Arse Technically Pedophile is now spreading 'security' FUD against #cryptocoins while #googlebombing OS names (including "Linux") for clickbait Jan 05 23:11
schestowitz 05 23:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ZoomMyView: How else can we bring #JulianAssange home? 05 23:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> | Julian Assange’s Extradition DENIED by British Court (Updated) | TechrightsJan 05 23:12
schestowitz 05 23:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SYekalis: Who is Julian Assange a threat to now?!! 05 23:12
vZS1There's a full swing propaganda campaign going on against Monero right nowJan 05 23:14
vZS1Cabal doesn't like the fact that people can have privacy with their financesJan 05 23:15
schestowitzarse = conde nastJan 05 23:15
schestowitzcheck who owns themJan 05 23:15
schestowitzfinance in nYCJan 05 23:15
vZS1Same ilk as ZdnetJan 05 23:16
schestowitzthey did lots of the discrediting campaigns, associating crypto with drugsJan 05 23:16
schestowitzzdnet is same cityJan 05 23:16
schestowitzbut different familyJan 05 23:16
vZS1I doubt the people writing for them get paid much at allJan 05 23:17
vZS1The writing betrays their lack of educationJan 05 23:17
vZS1So it must be some hobby people getting a few pennies to write FUDJan 05 23:18
schestowitz 05 23:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ Pains me to see #phoronix outsourcing to #microsoft now #deletegithub #monopoly #ProprietarySoftware Jan 05 23:18
vZS1Hosting for the sites can't cost much eitherJan 05 23:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> Phoronix Test Suite 10.2 Released For Open-Source, Cross-Platform Automated Benchmarking - PhoronixJan 05 23:18
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vZS1And they give each other "awards" to try to build an air of credibilityJan 05 23:19
vZS1schestowitz: like you mentioned in a recent videoJan 05 23:19
schestowitzthat's how they make moneyJan 05 23:20
schestowitzpatent sites do this a lotJan 05 23:20
schestowitzthen the law firms present virtual (fake) endorsementsJan 05 23:20
schestowitzand they look like they're goodJan 05 23:20
vZS1It's just smoke and mirrorsJan 05 23:20
vZS1But people are gullible so it worksJan 05 23:20
vZS1A pretty big YouTuber said to me "I love their [TR] work but don't want to use them as a source".Jan 05 23:22
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vZS1I prodded and asked why. When TR has citations for everything.Jan 05 23:23
vZS1I got bogus replies about "presentation"Jan 05 23:23
vZS1I'm no longer going to send them things. Just another fakeJan 05 23:23
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vZS1One of those "woke" typesJan 05 23:24
vZS1It was very disappointingJan 05 23:24
vZS1The same for that charity I was talking about earlierJan 05 23:25
vZS1I sent them things and they just went quietJan 05 23:25
vZS1But I'm still trying. I share whenever the context gives me a chanceJan 05 23:26
schestowitzvZS1: 05 23:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Fine Art of Media Obfuscation to Discredit Critics | TechrightsJan 05 23:32
schestowitz 05 23:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to Dismiss One’s Opposition or Discredit One’s Exposer/s Without Doing or Saying Anything of Substance | TechrightsJan 05 23:33
schestowitzI am still looking for something else thoughJan 05 23:33
schestowitzoh, this: 05 23:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to Spot Diversion Tactics (Excuses and Distractions From Articles Not Convenient to the Reader) | TechrightsJan 05 23:35
schestowitz“It’s old news”Jan 05 23:35
schestowitz“I found a typo”Jan 05 23:35
schestowitz“The headline’s capitalisation style is wrong”Jan 05 23:35
schestowitz“The site isn’t mobile-friendly”Jan 05 23:35
schestowitz“The fonts are of the wrong size”Jan 05 23:35
schestowitz“The stylesheet isn’t good with my browser”Jan 05 23:35
schestowitz“I don’t like the site”Jan 05 23:35
schestowitz“I dislike the author”Jan 05 23:35
schestowitzvZS1: there was a campaign apparently to smear us, behind the scenesJan 05 23:36
schestowitzsame people working to cancel Oliva, RMS, PocockJan 05 23:36
schestowitzas they talk about the F wordJan 05 23:36
schestowitz(freedom)Jan 05 23:36
schestowitzvery dirtyJan 05 23:36
*schestowitz comes to grip getting hope repairs this past year is close to impossible :/Jan 05 23:38
schestowitzwe have roof issue (soggy/leak)Jan 05 23:38
vZS1I'm pretty sure essential repairs are still allowedJan 05 23:39
vZS1So look into it first before giving up hopeJan 05 23:39
schestowitzI cannot repair it myselfJan 05 23:39
schestowitzneither the tools to reach it or work on itJan 05 23:40
vZS1I mean to contact someone that canJan 05 23:40
schestowitzthey might say it's not essentialJan 05 23:40
vZS1Nothing like askingJan 05 23:40
schestowitznot sureJan 05 23:41
schestowitzwas gonna phone next weekJan 05 23:41
schestowitzthen lockdownJan 05 23:41
schestowitzthe gym won't reopen as planned (Jan 9th)Jan 05 23:41
vZS1I've had some one in a few days ago to fix my washing machineJan 05 23:42
schestowitzit's a good thing I'm married, otherwise it would get rather lonely with all this stay-at-home infinity loopJan 05 23:42
schestowitzvZS1: that's in times of loosening restrictionsJan 05 23:42
schestowitzwhen we bought a replacement they refused to installJan 05 23:42
schestowitzor even to take the old oneJan 05 23:43
vZS1Did your old one still work?Jan 05 23:43
schestowitznoJan 05 23:43
vZS1StrangeJan 05 23:43
schestowitzthey don't care about the lawsJan 05 23:43
schestowitzbecause coronaJan 05 23:43
schestowitzsee EPOJan 05 23:43
schestowitzillegal? BUT CORONAJan 05 23:43
schestowitzI'm losing my patience for some of these thingsJan 05 23:44
DaemonFC[m]The landlord in Fox Lake was pretty much just letting the roof leak and halfassing repairs to it.Jan 05 23:44
schestowitzlike gov. "brexit means brexit" but you cannot register because CORONAJan 05 23:44
schestowitz"get an app"Jan 05 23:44
DaemonFC[m]That place has got to be a money pit. He can't rent it because nobody wants to hike half a mile up and down a hill./Jan 05 23:44
schestowitzIf Scotland rejoins EU, maybe we'll move thereJan 05 23:45
schestowitzand I know if that happened (indyref, then indy), we would not be aloneJan 05 23:45
schestowitzwith lockdowns the fascistories won't let alone referendum happenJan 05 23:46
schestowitzbecause CORONA!Jan 05 23:46
schestowitz'fcourse!Jan 05 23:46
schestowitz 05 23:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EdinburghJan 05 23:46
vZS1I'm betting on ScotxitJan 05 23:47
vZS1Within 2.5 yearsJan 05 23:47
vZS1Let's see if that's a good guess :DJan 05 23:47
schestowitzit has a name alreadyJan 05 23:47
schestowitzScotJoinJan 05 23:48
schestowitzafter ScotxitJan 05 23:48
schestowitzjoin EU, not UKJan 05 23:48
MinceR 05 23:48
schestowitzmaybe they'll treat sturgeon like Spain treated Catalan politicians.... charged with sedition by Clown JohnsonJan 05 23:48
psydroidwho is going to be the queen of Scotland, though?Jan 05 23:49
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I'll be Barry Whatshisnuts is kicking himself for letting me out of that lease now.Jan 05 23:49
DaemonFC[m]I could probably sue him for breach of contract honestly.Jan 05 23:49
MinceRthey could keep the current one or become a republicJan 05 23:49
vZS1~90% voted for independence in the Catalan referendumJan 05 23:49
DaemonFC[m]He had no right to terminate that lease unless I was convicted of a Class A Misdemeanor or a felony.Jan 05 23:49
DaemonFC[m]And I wasn't.Jan 05 23:49
vZS1So where's this "democracy"?Jan 05 23:50
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Jan 05 23:50
vZS1Is it on holiday?Jan 05 23:50
schestowitzEU sidled with MadridJan 05 23:50
DaemonFC[m]Of course, that's assuming that John tells the truth. He lies, and gropes kids, you know.Jan 05 23:50
schestowitzbecause... need membershipJan 05 23:50
schestowitzand members' moneyJan 05 23:50
DaemonFC[m]Like I was even going to argue about staying on a lease with THAT.Jan 05 23:50
DaemonFC[m]I threw Barry Whatshisnuts in the bankruptcy because why not.Jan 05 23:51
schestowitzvZS1: corona is a holiday to people who break the law with impunityJan 05 23:51
schestowitzand seek endless leewayJan 05 23:51
schestowitzlike Alex "water cannon" JohndonJan 05 23:51
schestowitz*sonJan 05 23:51
DaemonFC[m]They're worried that Kenosha will be destroyed, again.Jan 05 23:52
DaemonFC[m]After they declined to press charges against Jacob Blake's shooter.Jan 05 23:52
MinceRvZS1: it failed (due to people being too stupid) and diedJan 05 23:52
DaemonFC[m]They also said they wouldn't charge Blake though. I guess they kindly dropped the charges of being shot in the back 7 times by a police officer.Jan 05 23:52
vZS1When Scotland vote for independence, Westminster will probably do a MadridJan 05 23:53
DaemonFC[m]Then I got ensnared by the Illinois law that was meant to stop black people from having guns, schestowitz Jan 05 23:53
DaemonFC[m]My appeal is in purgatory.Jan 05 23:53
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The Mozilla maintenance service checks for recent changes to default browser and makes sure it was you with a pop-up. Jan 05 23:54
DaemonFC[m]Pop-up wars over default browser. That's nice.Jan 05 23:54
schestowitznot on gnu/linux I guesJan 05 23:55
schestowitzwe don't have that crapJan 05 23:55
schestowitzyou set program and file association in the DEJan 05 23:55
schestowitzor the file manager of choiceJan 05 23:55
schestowitzno "bonzi buddy" eitherJan 05 23:56
DaemonFC[m]The FOID Appeals are running a year, and I submitted mine after my supervision ended in August. I went to call the state police today to see what was taking so long and they had never started on it.Jan 05 23:56
DaemonFC[m]They claim that they will now. I might get ahold of the NRA and ask if they'll help me file a lawsuit against the state police.Jan 05 23:56
DaemonFC[m]So we're talking an 18 month turnaround time while I beg for a constitutional right.Jan 05 23:57

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