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| DaemonFC | MinceR, That episode of SG-1 where they promote O'Neill and he says there was a mix up in the cafeteria order and they got gold potatoes instead of russets, and so Jackson suggests mashing them, and O'Neill said "Suggested that. Apparently they're no good for mash.". | Jun 18 00:21 |
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| DaemonFC | That's fake news. | Jun 18 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | Russets turn out a little better, but you can certainly make do with gold potatoes. I suggest leaving the skins on them and using heavy cream and mixing them longer. | Jun 18 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | Eventually, you beat the mixture into a thicker consistency. | Jun 18 00:22 |
| MinceR | :) | Jun 18 00:23 |
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| DaemonFC | I had a recipe call for a can of Coke the other day. | Jun 18 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | So I bought a Pepsi out of the vending machine at Walmart. | Jun 18 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | Richard Stallman has supported a boycott of Coke for years because they hired hitmen to murder union organizers. | Jun 18 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | Now Trump is saying boycott Coke because some internal memos about how the company needs to "be less white" leaked out. | Jun 18 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Most new automobile production in the US heads to states in the south without strong labor laws and, in fact, laws that are hostile to unions. | Jun 18 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | I can't really blame them, honestly. The unions are as good of a reason as anything why GM is a fucking catastrophe. | Jun 18 00:41 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 18 00:41 |
| MinceR | unlikely | Jun 18 00:41 |
| MinceR | the unions are not responsible for management failing to adapt to changing demands in the market | Jun 18 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | They kept letting the UAW roll them for obscene benefits and stuff until foreign competitors who didn't have legacy costs of anything like that were price competitive, reliability issues aside. | Jun 18 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | Dad said that his wife's brother just retired from GM after a very long career as a quality control engineer. | Jun 18 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | I asked him how the guy was there for 40 years and they didn't manage to notice that their quality slipped from #6 to #21 in that time period. | Jun 18 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | Honda beginning to sell into the US market was the beginning of the end for GM as anything other than a zombie corporation that keeps feasting off the taxpayers. | Jun 18 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | Many of the original models that they sold into the US market back in the 1980s still work assuming they've generally been taken care of and operated in a state where they won't rust away/. | Jun 18 00:45 |
| MinceR | generally, offering better pay and benefits to workers tends to attract better workers | Jun 18 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | Except that it doesn't. | Jun 18 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | Both of my grandfathers worked for GM, both in the UAW union. | Jun 18 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | My grandfather on my dad's side was drunk all the time. | Jun 18 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | Other employees would clock him in and then go fish him out of the bar. | Jun 18 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | He'd be at work drunk assembling car parts. | Jun 18 00:46 |
| MinceR | then perhaps it's time for you to give up on usian car design and manufacturing | Jun 18 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | The foreign companies don't design anything here. | Jun 18 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | They just import the parts and do assembly here. | Jun 18 00:47 |
| activelow | german car manufacturers are fully supported by unions and didn't follow the trend of declining quality, salary there is exceptional for those who are directly hired and not outsourced | Jun 18 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | Honestly, they'd just import the entire finished car if they could, but tariffs. | Jun 18 00:47 |
| MinceR | strange, i've heard the quality of german cars has cratered | Jun 18 00:47 |
| MinceR | allegedly they used to make very reliable cars, and then stopped | Jun 18 00:48 |
| activelow | german automotive industry boosted production and sales incredibly, regardless of some quality hearsay | Jun 18 00:49 |
| MinceR | sales doesn't seem to depend on quality | Jun 18 00:49 |
| MinceR | which might be why most design owners don't care about it | Jun 18 00:50 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▅▅▆▅▄▇▆▇█▄▆▆▅▆▃▁▂▆▂█▅▅▃▄▂█▅▃▇▇▃▁ avg(k/sec) 42.43 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁█▂▂▂▁▁▂█▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▁█▂█▂▂▁▁▂▁▄▃▁▁▃▄█▁ avg(k/sec) 72.03▕ swarm size (avg): 189.65 ⟲ | Jun 18 00:59 |
| activelow | https://www.dw.com/en/bosch-is-the-new-star-in-silicon-saxony-microchip-cluster/a-57767731 | Jun 18 01:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bosch is the new star in Silicon Saxony microchip cluster | Business| Economy and finance news from a German perspective | DW | 04.06.2021 | Jun 18 01:01 | |
| activelow | "The firm has pumped about €1 billion ($1.2 billion) into its new site, marking the biggest single investment in its 130-year history." -> Bosch is automotive supplier | Jun 18 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | "In total, Illinois will give away 40 cash prizes of $100,000." for the COVID lotto. | Jun 18 01:02 |
| DaemonFC | If I win, I'm buying a house in Indiana and a new car. | Jun 18 01:02 |
| DaemonFC | I mistook it for being one prize of $10 million. | Jun 18 01:02 |
| XRevan86 | I don't see any activity from freenode, is the bridge fine? | Jun 18 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | You can get a house in INdiana for like $30,000-40,000. A big one in some cases. The jobs dried up and nobody there makes a lot of money. | Jun 18 01:03 |
| lightbringer/fn | testing | Jun 18 01:08 |
| MinceR | yes, the bridge is fine | Jun 18 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I followed the Philly Cheese Steak recipe in my cookbook for instant pots, and it said cook 55 minutes on slow cook mode with the pressure sealed. | Jun 18 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | I was like, "Uhhh, we'll see I guess.". | Jun 18 01:13 |
| techrights-bot/fn | The Lying by #TeamUPC , Led Again by #KevinMooney http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/kevin-mooney-upc-lies/ #unitarypatent #epo #upc | Jun 18 01:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Lying by Team UPC, Led Again by Kevin Mooney | Techrights | Jun 18 01:13 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Pressure Grows for #RustLang in #Linux • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152399 | Jun 18 01:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pressure Grows for Rust in Linux | Tux Machines | Jun 18 01:13 | |
| DaemonFC | I ended up cooking it ten minutes on high pressure after that because I opened it up and....sure enough....it was steak tartare. | Jun 18 01:14 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152398 #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 18 01:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 18 01:14 | |
| MinceR | :) | Jun 18 01:24 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #HeliPihlajamaa Promoting #SoftwarePatents to #Patent Maximalists http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/heli-pihlajamaa-swpats/ #finland #cipa | Jun 18 01:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Heli Pihlajamaa Promoting Software Patents to Patent Maximalists | Techrights | Jun 18 01:29 | |
| DaemonFC | They say California might have rolling blackouts this summer because of all their green energy crap. | Jun 18 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | Eh, let the punishment fit the crime. | Jun 18 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | Greta Thunberg didn't come out of nowhere. | Jun 18 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | Billionaires and the Chinese Communist Party want to ruin our standard of living. | Jun 18 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | So how do they do that? They prop up people like this. | Jun 18 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | Then they can get the west to destroy their economies while China builds more coal plants than the rest of the world put together and says it has a plan to go carbon-neutral. | Jun 18 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | The lifecycle of a base load coal plant after it's built is usually between 50-70 years. | Jun 18 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | So if China is building them today, they plan to be running them in the 22nd century. | Jun 18 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | Running the US electric grid on the expensive electric generating sources that the Democrats want will be the end of US manufacturing, and they know it. | Jun 18 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | It'll increase the price of power 400% and you can't run heavy industry paying Massachusetts rates for your electric bill. | Jun 18 01:34 |
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| DaemonFC | They think that they'll somehow be insulated from the economic disaster that they cause in half of the states because they have "special" jobs that aren't "carbon intensive", but then what will happen is that the uprising will end up affecting them when most of the country can't get _any_ job. | Jun 18 01:35 |
| DaemonFC | We're being spoon fed a load of crap from people who are soft on China (and other polluters). | Jun 18 01:36 |
| activelow | any production facility which closed in Europe or USA is re-established elsewhere, with little to no benefit for the climate | Jun 18 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | The environment is only fragile when we're talking about the United States, and everyone else can pretty much do whatever they want to it. | Jun 18 01:36 |
| activelow | any gallon of oil which isn't consumed in Europe or USA is consumed elswhere, simple fact. | Jun 18 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | <activelow> any production facility which closed in Europe or USA is re-established elsewhere, with little to no benefit for the climate | Jun 18 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, with the added bonus of the finished goods being loaded onto cargo ships which go halfway around the world. | Jun 18 01:37 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #TeamUPC , or specifically Mr. Mooney, lies to the public about the prospects of the UPC; similarly, #EPO and #EU officials keep bringing up false claims about the UPC, so while the #UPC itself has likely died for good the lies have not • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/kevin-mooney-upc-lies/ ䷉ #Techrights | ♾ Gemini address: gemini: <clipped message> | Jun 18 01:37 |
| techrights-bot/fn | //gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/17/kevi | Jun 18 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | Once you do that, the ships take a lot of fuel, and they spill a lot of their cargo into the ocean. | Jun 18 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | Just billions of dollars in everything from food to furniture to shoes. Bicycles.... | Jun 18 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | All of the energy used to produce them wasted. | Jun 18 01:38 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "They only recently started supporting Linux with it (back in April), and now we're seeing all updates across all platforms at the same time which is great." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/god-sim-sandbox-worldbox-has-a-huge-release-out-with-lots-of-fun-new-toys | Jun 18 01:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-God sim sandbox 'WorldBox' has a huge release out with lots of fun new toys | GamingOnLinux | Jun 18 01:38 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | The absolutely insane vision of #bezoa and his goons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pBa6L4Yi5k | Jun 18 01:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Amazon Sidewalk: Open Your Wi-Fi To The Public - YouTube | Jun 18 01:39 | |
| DaemonFC | It's much, much worse for the environment to allow China to take all of our jobs than it is to just produce things here. | Jun 18 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | Now people buy tons of crap that doesn't even pretend to have any practical purpose, like smart watches and Alexa speakers. | Jun 18 01:39 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #vista11 'leak' is fake and a smokescreen. Board changes (Nadella) might suggest it's more distraction from the crimes of #billgates h Not sure... but it's NOT a leak. A marketing stunt/ploy to divert attention and game the media. | Jun 18 01:40 |
| activelow | i disagree with the china bashing, since the "globalization" agenda was pushed by USA particularly | Jun 18 01:41 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Computers typically take up a lot more power than is need, esp. due to bloated #proprietarySoftware which works for vendors, not users https://www.maketecheasier.com/measure-pc-power-consumption/ | Jun 18 01:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Measure Your PC's Power Consumption - Make Tech Easier | Jun 18 01:41 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Computers typically take up a lot more power than is needed, esp. due to bloated #proprietarySoftware which works for vendors, not users https://www.maketecheasier.com/measure-pc-power-consumption/ | Jun 18 01:41 |
| activelow | ^ | Jun 18 01:41 |
| kingoffrance | yes, it always curious with the modern web, why software itself never factors into "reducing power" | Jun 18 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, another example of how our own government has consistently betrayed its people. | Jun 18 01:43 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #NVIDIA Resizable BAR Performance - A Big Boost For Some Linux Games - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=rtx3080-linux-rebar&num=1 ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest | Jun 18 01:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NVIDIA Resizable BAR Performance - A Big Boost For Some Linux Games - Phoronix | Jun 18 01:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 18 01:43 | |
| kingoffrance | it would make sense if old hw is that inefficient, and hw is a much more effective place to target "power savings" | Jun 18 01:43 |
| kingoffrance | just software, never a peep | Jun 18 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | 50 million less people employed? MORE TRADE! (Nerus "More chicken!" voice) MinceR | Jun 18 01:43 |
| kingoffrance | never mentioned as wasting power. bitcoin did, but thats just because some ppl view it as pointless activity | Jun 18 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | Also, make abortion illegal. | Jun 18 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | That way 40 million more people join the unemployed over the next 30 years. | Jun 18 01:44 |
| activelow | a modern aarch64 SBC now can fully replace a workstation, with ~5watts power draw, and with some tailored firmware for it i can do almost everything a developer desires to do | Jun 18 01:44 |
| kingoffrance | i.e. seems more of a specific dig at mining for other reasons, than any care about power | Jun 18 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | Or shoot each other. That's always popular too. | Jun 18 01:44 |
| kingoffrance | (no pun intended) | Jun 18 01:46 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: I am very puzzled by the choice of InspIRCd after finding out that Sadie is very against freenode. | Jun 18 01:47 |
| kingoffrance | (although it perhaps a boring topic, pun intended) | Jun 18 01:47 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: we can fork it :) | Jun 18 01:47 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Can't Solanum be forked? | Jun 18 01:47 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Dependable Debian is like a rock in a swirling gyre of 'move fast and break things', and version 11 is no different https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/16/debian_11/ #debian #gnu #linux | Jun 18 01:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Dependable Debian is like a rock in a swirling gyre of 'move fast and break things', and version 11 is no different • The Register | Jun 18 01:47 | |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: or ergo? | Jun 18 01:47 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Let me phrase it differently: why is it InspIRCd that got to be a base for ircd-eight | Jun 18 01:48 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "Ms Pyjamas" from the #EPO is promoting illegal #softwarepatents to a bunch of #patent zealots ( #CIPA ) • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/heli-pihlajamaa-swpats/ ䷉ #Techrights #swpats | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/17/heli-pihlajamaa-swpats/ | Jun 18 01:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Heli Pihlajamaa Promoting Software Patents to Patent Maximalists | Techrights | Jun 18 01:49 | |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: i don't know, it was nirvana's idea i think | Jun 18 01:49 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Is nirvana a C++ programmer? | Jun 18 01:49 |
| CrystalMath | i don't know | Jun 18 01:50 |
| techrights-bot/fn | It's 2021 and people still don't know the difference between #internet and #www ... had to explain it to a technical friend who is 49 just 2 days ago. Media confuses people. #mozilla has just published https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/mozilla-explains/internet-search-engine-browser/ | Jun 18 01:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | What is the difference between the internet, browsers, search engines and websites? | Jun 18 01:55 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | The brand #UbuntuOne is back... just to confuse people https://ubuntu.com//blog/two-factor-authentication-coming-to-ubuntu-one | Jun 18 01:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Two-factor authentication coming to Ubuntu One | Ubuntu | Jun 18 01:56 | |
| kingoffrance | activelow, briefly to not get too far off rails, i agree china bashing seems cloudy at best. yes, USA did push globalism, conservatives in particular (which apparently they now regret) the bashing only appeared simultaneously along with "whataboutism". seems like posturing and inner turmoil at best. (deliberately not taking a stand either way, just there is too much crazy going on at same time for me to take any of it seriously) | Jun 18 01:56 |
| hmmmm/fn | kingoffrance, china covered up that covid leaked from lab experiments | Jun 18 01:56 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Complicated Changes Confuse Concerned Citizens ⚓ http://coyote.works//complicated-changes-confuse-concerned-citizens.html ䷉ #internet #broadband | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest | Jun 18 01:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-coyote.works | Complicated Changes Confuse Concerned Citizens | Jun 18 01:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 18 01:56 | |
| kingoffrance | hmmmm/fn: i dont follow that stuff, up to other ppl if they want to discuss | Jun 18 01:57 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Also what's your opinion on YouTube removing kebab? %) | Jun 18 01:57 |
| CrystalMath | what? | Jun 18 01:57 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #KDE Plasma 5.22 Released with Better Stability and Usability Across the Board https://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/KDE-Plasma-5.22-Released-with-Better-Stability-and-Usability-Across-the-Board #gnu #linux | Jun 18 01:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux-magazine.com | KDE Plasma 5.22 Released with Better Stability... » Linux Magazine | Jun 18 01:57 | |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: https://youtu.be/uSCJxxI83v4 https://youtu.be/BD1G9BNx3q4 | Jun 18 01:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Serbia strong orginal bay Radovan Karadzic - YouTube | Jun 18 01:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-- YouTube | Jun 18 01:58 | |
| XRevan86 | The latter is a clip from the former. | Jun 18 01:58 |
| CrystalMath | dumb, the song doesn't contain hate speech | Jun 18 01:58 |
| activelow | kingoffrance: the chinese lab leakage is an unproven propaganda claim, anything i read about the origin is inconclusive and intentionally distracting | Jun 18 01:59 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Freenode pisses off far too many #freesw projects. https://xenproject.org/2021/06/17/xen-irc-channels-have-moved/ | Jun 18 01:59 |
| CrystalMath | and it's not by Radovan Karadzic | Jun 18 01:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xenproject.org | Xen IRC channels have moved - Xen Project | Jun 18 01:59 | |
| hmmmm/fn | it's inconclusive but you better be ready for when it *becomes* conclusive | Jun 18 01:59 |
| hmmmm/fn | it is more likely than not | Jun 18 01:59 |
| XRevan86 | Oh hey, another OFTC move. | Jun 18 01:59 |
| activelow | end of 2019 something was identified in a chinese institution doesn't mean it originated there | Jun 18 01:59 |
| hmmmm/fn | ban wildlife farming/markets, sure, but ban gain of function research too. Worldwide. Meaning the US needs to stop funding it too, just to set an example and have some moral high ground | Jun 18 01:59 |
| activelow | doesn't mean either it didn't exist long before | Jun 18 02:00 |
| hmmmm/fn | it's actually known it didn't exist long before | Jun 18 02:00 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: i mean it's a war propaganda song, but its lyrics don't contain any hate speech | Jun 18 02:00 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Bad engineering must not become the standard. #IIS dumped #microsoft #windows and moved to #debian #gnu #linux on laptops about a decade back. https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/spacesuit_reboot/ | Jun 18 02:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Your spacesuit ran into a problem and needs to restart • The Register | Jun 18 02:00 | |
| hmmmm/fn | that part is pretty certain... it's too well adapted to human cells | Jun 18 02:00 |
| hmmmm/fn | the *antecedent* of it existed long before, but that could not have infected humans in one move | Jun 18 02:00 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Bad engineering must not become the standard. #ISS dumped #microsoft #windows and moved to #debian #gnu #linux on laptops about a decade back. https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/spacesuit_reboot/ | Jun 18 02:00 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: The reason it got banned is actually in New Zealand. | Jun 18 02:01 |
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| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings#Al_Noor_Mosque | Jun 18 02:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Christchurch mosque shootings - Wikipedia | Jun 18 02:01 | |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: the song has zero to do with new zealand | Jun 18 02:02 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Indeed. I am actually annoyed by this. | Jun 18 02:02 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: i mean... the whole point of the song is to push the idea that croatian independence is always a nazi thing | Jun 18 02:02 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #RogerWaters tells #Facebook CEO to Zuck off after 'huge' song rights request • The Register ⚓ https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/roger_waters_says_zuck_off/ ䷉ #theregister #assange | Jun 18 02:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Roger Waters tells Facebook CEO to Zuck off after 'huge' song rights request • The Register | Jun 18 02:02 | |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: so it connects serbia's struggle to separate from independent croatia and rejoin serbia with the struggle against nazis in WW2 | Jun 18 02:02 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: that's the point, it's actually anti-nazi | Jun 18 02:03 |
| CrystalMath | but... kinda in a propaganda sort of way | Jun 18 02:03 |
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| CrystalMath | the link between the two struggles is a little shaky | Jun 18 02:03 |
| DaemonFC_phone | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27546133 | Jun 18 02:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | Oops HBO, using real user data in your software integration tests? | Hacker News | Jun 18 02:03 | |
| DaemonFC_phone | I just got one of these. | Jun 18 02:03 |
| CrystalMath | s/serbia's struggle/the serbian people's struggle/ | Jun 18 02:04 |
| CrystalMath | i'm of course referring to the ones living in croatia and bosnia | Jun 18 02:04 |
| MinceR | s/serbian/struggling/ | Jun 18 02:04 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: it does sound like a synonym sometimes, doesn't it? | Jun 18 02:05 |
| XRevan86 | Oi, Russians demand recognition! | Jun 18 02:05 |
| XRevan86 | … and uh… A. Hitler | Jun 18 02:06 |
| MinceR | recognition is denied to russians in order to make their struggle more authentic | Jun 18 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But that's recognition in itself. | Jun 18 02:07 |
| hmmmm/fn | kingoffrance, activelow: lots of good info here, not crazy wild maximal conspiracy: https://jamiemetzl.com/origins-of-sars-cov-2/ | Jun 18 02:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jamiemetzl.com | NO TITLE | Jun 18 02:07 | |
| MinceR | paradox was among the goals | Jun 18 02:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Recognition through denying recognition. | Jun 18 02:07 |
| *XRevan86 recognised that. | Jun 18 02:07 | |
| kingoffrance | that sounds like indifference is opposite of love :) | Jun 18 02:08 |
| kingoffrance | hate is when you really really really have a crush on someone lol | Jun 18 02:08 |
| kingoffrance | not going mjg, just saying thats a platitude | Jun 18 02:09 |
| MinceR | fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering | Jun 18 02:09 |
| XRevan86 | suffering leads to fear | Jun 18 02:10 |
| activelow | hmmmm: the "deadliest pandemic in 30 years" was reported 2018 already by RKI germany, long before the covid propaganda spook began | Jun 18 02:11 |
| MinceR | and it just keeps going around and around | Jun 18 02:11 |
| MinceR | fear is the path to itself | Jun 18 02:11 |
| activelow | and anything else which followed in public news since september 2019 is incitement of fear and hatred, which is presented differently only since it shall attract mainstream population instead of extremist political fringe which is agitated differently | Jun 18 02:12 |
| activelow | btw. the public propaganda and agitation is illegal according to §130StgB in germany, which makes me wonder why most of involved politicians and media agitators aren't jailed yet | Jun 18 02:14 |
| MinceR | that's because the law isn't enforced consistently | Jun 18 02:14 |
| MinceR | it's merely an excuse to wield power, often violently | Jun 18 02:14 |
| activelow | it wouldn't take long if i spread some of my historical facts police rang my door bell here in germany | Jun 18 02:15 |
| activelow | spreading news such as "chinese plague", advertising pharmacy with falsified data which isn't approved, the list goes on | Jun 18 02:16 |
| activelow | yet i am not allowed to namecall who is who involved with it | Jun 18 02:17 |
| kingoffrance | bbl | Jun 18 02:18 |
| schestowitz | 0/ | Jun 18 02:18 |
| DaemonFC_phone | That sounds like an anti-Nazi law to me. | Jun 18 02:18 |
| activelow | the reason related legislation was introduced was to cover up nazi crimes | Jun 18 02:19 |
| activelow | so those who raised their voice could be silenced as "revisionist" and such | Jun 18 02:19 |
| DaemonFC_phone | Yeah, It's been a sore spot in Germany. | Jun 18 02:20 |
| activelow | recently introduced legislation in germany is this: "deligitimization of governmental institutions", "permissive surveillance" | Jun 18 02:20 |
| DaemonFC_phone | And as mjg59 teaches us, when fact bothers you, ban everyone who talks about it with a CoC. | Jun 18 02:20 |
| schestowitz | <techrights-bot> A lot of the time people who lack the talent call those who have it "bigots" because they lack another way to compete | Jun 18 02:22 |
| *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) | Jun 18 02:23 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Links 18/6/2021: #RasPad 3 and Pushing Rust Into the Linux #Kernel • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/linux-kernel-rust/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/17/linux-kernel-rust/ | Jun 18 02:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 18/6/2021: RasPad 3 and Pushing Rust Into the Linux Kernel | Techrights | Jun 18 02:23 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Today’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152405 | Jun 18 02:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 18 02:24 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152404 | Jun 18 02:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jun 18 02:25 | |
| rbraun/fn | activelow: what happened in september 2019? | Jun 18 02:25 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Debian : #Bullseye and Reliability • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152403 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 18 02:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian: Bullseye and Reliability | Tux Machines | Jun 18 02:25 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Jabba the Pritzker just unveiled another state spending bill that they admit adds another $500 million to the Illinois deficit. | Jun 18 02:25 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Ubuntu and #Canonical Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152402 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 18 02:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu and Canonical Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 18 02:25 | |
| DaemonFC | So if they admit $500 million, it's actually much worse. | Jun 18 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | He called it "a step towards fiscal responsibility". | Jun 18 02:25 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Programming Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152401 | Jun 18 02:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 18 02:26 | |
| DaemonFC | Financed largely with another round of tax hikes, of course. | Jun 18 02:26 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Standards /Consortia: #OpenZFS , APIs, and More Web Bloat • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152400 | Jun 18 02:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Standards/Consortia: OpenZFS, APIs, and More Web Bloat | Tux Machines | Jun 18 02:26 | |
| DaemonFC | He also didn't mention that this is apparently the 7th year in a row we're selling the Thomson Center. | Jun 18 02:27 |
| DaemonFC | And I guess it just slipped his mind that the $2.6 billion dollars in American Recovery Plan Act money from the feds is not an ongoing thing. | Jun 18 02:27 |
| activelow | rbraun: this was the time when the propaganda spook began | Jun 18 02:29 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: perhaps the road to fiscal responsibility leads through default and learning | Jun 18 02:31 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Elementary OS 6.0 Beta 2 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152356#comment-29976 | Jun 18 02:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | elementary OS 6 Beta 2 Polishes the Installer UI, Adds More Flatpak Apps | Tux Machines | Jun 18 02:32 | |
| DaemonFC | The Fed loaned Illinois money last year. | Jun 18 02:33 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #IBM Discussing Raising x86_64 Requirements Or Using #Glibc #HWCAPS - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-2021-x86_64-Level ䷉ #Phoronix | Jun 18 02:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fedora Stakeholders Back To Discussing Raising x86_64 Requirements Or Using Glibc HWCAPS - Phoronix | Jun 18 02:33 | |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if they'll write it off when the state doesn't pay or suck it out of the state's bank accounts and let other creditors get screwed worse when there's no money to pay any of the daily bills either. | Jun 18 02:33 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #IBM : let's have a discussion in #ProprietarySoftware #surveillance trap Slack (which IBM also imposed on all employees) https://hashman.ca/sig-node-bsp/ | Jun 18 02:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hashman.ca :: I'm hosting a Bug Scrub for Kubernetes SIG Node | Jun 18 02:34 | |
| DaemonFC | Owing people debt with high interest rates is the worst. | Jun 18 02:34 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #ibm #redhat : RMS NO!!! #apple YES!! https://events.redhat.com/profile/form/index.cfm?PKformID=0x336681abcd | Jun 18 02:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-events.redhat.com | Red Hat Coffee Hour - Steve Wozniak | Jun 18 02:35 | |
| DaemonFC | I didn't appreciate how low the I-Bond rates were and bought some in February. Oops. They're paying 1.68% and I have to wait until the end of August for them to reset to 3.54%. | Jun 18 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | Then it's likely that months later, it'll reset to something like 5-6%. | Jun 18 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | Inflation is high, the interest rate is high on that money that's in I-Bonds. | Jun 18 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | But there's no way to predict what inflation will be. I'd say it's a fair bet it'll be high for a while. The Fed didn't seem to be concerned with inflation this morning. | Jun 18 02:36 |
| techrights-bot/fn | *** 𝐈 𝐑 𝐂 𝐋 𝐈 𝐍 𝐊 𝐒 *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-170621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-170621.txt Read the log now... | Jun 18 02:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: Thursday, June 17, 2021 | Jun 18 02:37 | |
| DaemonFC | Biden is boasting about 7% GDP on a quarterly basis, but from that you must subtract inflation running at 5%. | Jun 18 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | While it's certainly good that GDP is still above inflation, it's not _that much_ above inflation. | Jun 18 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | And it could invert very quickly, leaving us with stagflation. | Jun 18 02:38 |
| techrights-bot/fn | *** 𝐈 𝐑 𝐂 𝐋 𝐈 𝐍 𝐊 𝐒 *** Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-170621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-170621.txt Read the log now... | Jun 18 02:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, June 17, 2021 | Jun 18 02:38 | |
| DaemonFC | They're playing a dangerous game. | Jun 18 02:38 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #IBM employees choose only #proprietarysoftware for discussions ("Slack and Zoom") while running petitions to "REMOVE STALLMAN" from the #FSF , which he founded. Boycott IBM? | Jun 18 02:38 |
| activelow | ^ german high court ruled EU violated contracts with Europen Central Bank | Jun 18 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | In fact, if you do suppose that the government schemes to understate inflation, it's likely we're at least stagnant right now. | Jun 18 02:39 |
| techrights-bot/fn | *** 𝐈 𝐑 𝐂 𝐋 𝐈 𝐍 𝐊 𝐒 *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-170621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-170621.txt Read the log now... | Jun 18 02:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Thursday, June 17, 2021 | Jun 18 02:39 | |
| DaemonFC | I trust the inflation numbers more than GDP though. | Jun 18 02:39 |
| activelow | https://www.dw.com/en/eu-launches-infringement-proceedings-against-germany-for-bond-buying-challenge/a-57826186 | Jun 18 02:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EU launches infringement proceedings against Germany for bond-buying challenge | News | DW | 09.06.2021 | Jun 18 02:39 | |
| DaemonFC | It's easier to game GDP because of intangibles that the Consumer Price Index doesn't weigh that heavily because they're not actually important to consumers and their wellbeing. | Jun 18 02:40 |
| techrights-bot/fn | *** 𝐈 𝐑 𝐂 𝐋 𝐈 𝐍 𝐊 𝐒 *** Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-170621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-170621.txt Read the log now... | Jun 18 02:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Thursday, June 17, 2021 | Jun 18 02:40 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Caolán McNamara: GTK4 Port: #oubleDecker Notebooks http://caolanm.blogspot.com/2021/06/gtk4-port-doubledecker-notebooks.html #libreoffice | Jun 18 02:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-caolanm.blogspot.com | Caolán McNamara: GTK4 Port: DoubleDecker Notebooks | Jun 18 02:40 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #VLinux 2021.06.18 is now out http://www.bandshed.net/avlinux/ #gnu #linux #bandshed | Jun 18 02:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bandshed.net | AV Linux MX Edition | | Jun 18 02:41 | |
| DaemonFC | That's hilarious. The EU continues to fall apart as countries apply their own laws above the EU's. | Jun 18 02:42 |
| techrights-bot/fn | *** 𝐁𝐔𝐋𝐋𝐄𝐓𝐈𝐍 *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-06-17.txt | Jun 18 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | If the ECB's bond buying is unconstitutional in Germany, the only way for Germany to apply their court ruling is to quit using the Euro. | Jun 18 02:43 |
| activelow | this isn't what High Court ruled, it merely allowed for investigating if EU violated contracts, which they did | Jun 18 02:44 |
| activelow | EU has no legal supremacy by violating their contracts | Jun 18 02:44 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #OpenSSL 3.0 Release Candidate https://www.openssl.org/blog/blog/2021/06/17/OpenSSL3.0ReleaseCandidate/ #security #encryption | Jun 18 02:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.openssl.org | OpenSSL 3.0 Release Candidate - OpenSSL Blog | Jun 18 02:44 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Our "users in freenode now up to 60," but a lot of the activity is not there anymore. http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-170621.html#tJun%2017%2000:22:36 #techrights | Jun 18 02:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, June 17, 2021 | Jun 18 02:46 | |
| activelow | next joke is EU seeks to sanction germany for EU/ECB itself violating their contracts | Jun 18 02:47 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jun 18 02:49 |
| techrights-bot/fn | New #rustlang release, but it needs to #deletegithub and other #proprietarySoftware trap because, as it stands, Rust is a sort of prison. https://blog.rust-lang.org/2021/06/17/Rust-1.53.0.html | Jun 18 02:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.rust-lang.org | Announcing Rust 1.53.0 | Rust Blog | Jun 18 02:52 | |
| DaemonFC | OpenSSL 3 changes the license to Apache License 2.0. | Jun 18 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | That gets rid of the annoying advertising clause and GPL incompatibility. | Jun 18 02:53 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Regolith Linux 1.6 Released with Versions Based on Ubuntu 21.04 and 20.04 LTS • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152406 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 18 02:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Regolith Linux 1.6 Released with Versions Based on Ubuntu 21.04 and 20.04 LTS | Tux Machines | Jun 18 02:53 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #OpenSSL 3.0 Release Candidate • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152407 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 18 02:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenSSL 3.0 Release Candidate | Tux Machines | Jun 18 02:53 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #IBM / #RedHat /Fedora • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152408 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 18 02:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora | Tux Machines | Jun 18 02:54 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | (I agree) "You will find a word processor installed on almost every desktop computer. The word processor has become an integral part of so many people's workflow. And that's a shame because the word processor is a pointless piece of software. It serves no real purpose..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0nCEGTlTqM | Jun 18 02:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Word Processors Are Evil And Should Not Exist! - YouTube | Jun 18 02:54 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | The way things are looking/going, #techrights gemini:// capsule will have served close to a quarter million pages this month alone. Over Gemini alone... | Jun 18 02:56 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Ubuntu 20.10 (Groovy Gorilla) Will Reach End Of Life on July 22nd, 2021 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152409 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 18 02:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 20.10 (Groovy Gorilla) Will Reach End Of Life on July 22nd, 2021 | Tux Machines | Jun 18 02:56 | |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▇▅▃█▃▄▄▅▄▇▆▅▆▅▄▄▃▂▃▇▃▃▇▅▅▆▅▅▃█▆▇▇▅▁ avg(k/sec) 36.06 ▕ IPFS upstream: █▂█▁█▂▁▁▂▃▂▂▂▁▂▁█▂▁▂▁█▂▃▁▁▁▂█▂▂▃█▂▁ avg(k/sec) 109.06▕ swarm size (avg): 216.19 ⟲ | Jun 18 02:59 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Get Started with Android application development using Linux and Android SDK https://linuxconfig.org/get-started-with-android-application-development-using-linux-and-android-sdk I did that years ago... | Jun 18 02:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://linuxconfig.org/get-started-with-android-application-development-using-linux-and-android-sdk ) | Jun 18 02:59 | |
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| techrights-bot/fn | Bag of Freebies for XR Hand Tracking: #MachineLearning & #OpenXR ⚓ https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2021/06/17/bag-of-freebies-xr-hand-tracking-machine-learning-openxr/ ䷉ #collabora | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest | Jun 18 03:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.collabora.com | Bag of Freebies for XR Hand Tracking: Machine Learning & OpenXR | Jun 18 03:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 18 03:00 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | " #RakuLang is full of surprises. Sometimes I read something what that me like “oh, really?”. Sometimes I realize than a fact evident for me is not so obvious for others" https://vrurg.github.io/2021/06/17/label-as-object #perl #programming | Jun 18 03:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vrurg.github.io | Did you know that … - LFlat, The Home of Vrurg | Jun 18 03:01 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Ole Aamot: GNOME Internet Radio Locator version 11.10 with GeoClue Location View support • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152410 | Jun 18 03:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ole Aamot: GNOME Internet Radio Locator version 11.10 with GeoClue Location View support | Tux Machines | Jun 18 03:02 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | This Arduino device will sort your M&M’s by color | Arduino Blog ⚓ https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/18/this-arduino-device-will-sort-your-mms-by-color/ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest | Jun 18 03:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | This Arduino device will sort your M&M's by color | Arduino Blog | Jun 18 03:03 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | TI’s #AM64x powers three modules and two new #HummingBoard SBCs ⚓ http://linuxgizmos.com/tis-am64x-powers-three-modules-and-two-new-hummingboard-sbcs/ ䷉ #LinuxGizmos #Hardware #Devices #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest | Jun 18 03:03 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | #RaspberryPi #CM4 based controller offers isolated serial and DIO ⚓ http://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-cm4-based-controller-offers-isolated-serial-and-dio/ ䷉ #LinuxGizmos #Hardware #Devices #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest | Jun 18 03:04 |
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| techrights-ipfs-bot | ☞ Gemini requests since start of month: 119546 total • Total pages: 35884 • Active: active (running) since Tue 2021-06-08 16:18:39 BST; 1 weeks 2 days ago | Jun 18 03:06 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #tuxmachines is 17 and #techrights turns 15 very soon. Several more months. 14th: http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Techrights-Birthday-14-Years | Jun 18 03:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Techrights Birthday (14 Years) | Jun 18 03:06 | |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ☞ IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. TotalIn: 2.8 GB • TotalOut: 496 MB | Jun 18 03:06 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ☞ New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID | Jun 18 03:06 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Based on the past day, for the first time I think, #ipfs traffic at home exceeded 3.3 GB for the day, so we're talking about 100GB per month. We actually had higher rates than that before rate-limiting. #techrights | Jun 18 03:08 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | QmSqJtaqrrXbzBF4sG3nBzauArR36q6YbF5P7htcHd5cDB | Jun 18 03:08 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Automated Website Testing with #Selenium ⚓ https://shibumi.dev/posts/automated-website-testing/ ䷉ #shibumi | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest | Jun 18 03:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-shibumi.dev | Automated Website Testing with Selenium | Jun 18 03:10 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Ubuntu 20.10 (Groovy Gorilla) reaches End of Life on July 22 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152409#comment-29977 | Jun 18 03:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 20.10 (Groovy Gorilla) Will Reach End Of Life on July 22nd, 2021 | Tux Machines | Jun 18 03:12 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | 7,000 signatures by year's end. "Recently, there have been vile online attacks looking to remove him from the FSF board of directors for expressing his personal opinions. We have watched this happen before in an organized fashion with other prominent free software activists and programmers. We will not stand idly this time, when an icon of this community is attacked." | Jun 18 03:14 |
| techrights-bot/fn | I've been asked who runs https://stallmansupport.org/ and the truth is, I do not know. But I do know that they read #techrights and thanked me for the site more times than I can remember. #gnu #rms #fsf #freesw | Jun 18 03:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallmansupport.org | In Support of Richard Stallman - Introduction | Jun 18 03:15 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | It's very very very important that we make it very very very clear to large corporations (such as #google #ibm and #microsoft ) that when you attack one of us in the #freesw community you attack all of us and WE WILL RESPOND. Attacks on #softwareFreedom SHOULD be costly. | Jun 18 03:17 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "I need to make money to pay for my kids" (or mortgage) is NOT an excuse for unethical behaviour or all sorts of concessions/compromises that attack good people. It has been pointed out (and demonstrated loosely, even with data) that many who attack RMS in public have (extended) families to feed, so principles became "less convenient" to them. | Jun 18 03:19 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | We are soooooooo going into lockdown by end of summer. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ wife and I moved into informal 'lockdown' 3 weeks ago, foreseeing this sort of non-linear growth. | Jun 18 03:20 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | #freenode pulling a "FUCK IT, WE'LL DO IT LIVE!!!" resulted in loss of so many users and channels (who/which I'm sure will never come back). Freenode only has itself to blame at this point. https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=freenode | Jun 18 03:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE | Jun 18 03:24 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Tell me again how #embargo helps innovation and creativity, Germany? https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s9rcn9qx9znz/codified-german-injunction-test-divides-industries #de #germany #patent | Jun 18 03:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Codified German injunction test divides industries | Managing Intellectual Property | Jun 18 03:26 | |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 18 03:26 |
| MinceR | fitting analogy | Jun 18 03:26 |
| activelow | had been refreshing my memories about novell meanwhile | Jun 18 03:27 |
| activelow | by coincidence Suse has an office nearby where i am living currently | Jun 18 03:28 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Greenwashing with help from the #EPO https://capital.com/austria-s-voestalpine-moves-ahead-towards-green-steel-production see http://techrights.org/2021/04/27/epo-greenwashing-stunts/ | Jun 18 03:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-capital.com | NO TITLE | Jun 18 03:28 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO Abuses Climate Change, Hijacking or Misusing Grassroots Activism for Corporate Public Relations Stunts | Techrights | Jun 18 03:28 | |
| schestowitz | activelow: Nuremberg? | Jun 18 03:29 |
| schestowitz | The place is known for two things | Jun 18 03:29 |
| schestowitz | one of them being SUSE | Jun 18 03:29 |
| activelow | yes schestowitz | Jun 18 03:29 |
| activelow | didn't pay attention to any RPM style system for 15 years, something wasn't right with RedHat9 already | Jun 18 03:30 |
| activelow | although this was the first distro i tried, year 2002 iirc | Jun 18 03:30 |
| activelow | same with Solaris: why bother with that? haven't got TI89 schematics and didnt manage motorola assembly yet. who cares. | Jun 18 03:31 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "Computer Software-Related Invention" seems to have become another truly misleading term or buzzword for illegal software patents of monopolies on maths https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=443374ae-c3d8-42f9-9391-7035e46d0ce9 #swpats | Jun 18 03:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Draft amendment to Examination Guidelines for Computer Software-Related Inventions - Lexology | Jun 18 03:36 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Over time #techrights is coding its way AWAY from all sorts of third parties that were a risk and a liability all along. This means undermining the community and censoring the site is becoming very difficult at this point. Lots of contingencies, very few 'chokepoints' that are reachable. I still worry about DNS and ISPs. | Jun 18 03:38 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #dns is in effect/essence the potential #censorship machine nobody talks about or wants to talk about. In #ipfs we have #ipns to work around DNS while still having some static addressing. | Jun 18 03:40 |
| techrights-bot/fn | More #patents on sports or how law firms look to poison everything to artificially inflate prices and exploit poorly-paid athletes; they even use the propaganda term and misnomer "IP" https://www.mondaq.com/patent/1078934/everyday-ip-the-notable-ip-of-golf-basketball-and-other-sports | Jun 18 03:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Everyday IP: The Notable IP Of Golf, Basketball And Other Sports - Intellectual Property - Luxembourg | Jun 18 03:41 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #bigTelecom as a #patent extortion vector almost nobody speaks about. They want to get paid without actually doing anything, and cross-licensing means that small players are left out or simply shivering. https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s92520dzh857/crossed-wires-telecoms-and-tech-counsel-reveal-licensing-lows see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Nokia | Jun 18 03:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Crossed wires: telecoms and tech counsel reveal licensing lows | Managing Intellectual Property | Jun 18 03:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Nokia - Techrights | Jun 18 03:43 | |
| schestowitz | should we do an IRC howto for this network? | Jun 18 03:46 |
| schestowitz | I'm thinking, those are universal and standardised | Jun 18 03:46 |
| schestowitz | and already plenty of documentation out there about it... | Jun 18 03:46 |
| MinceR | ergo is a little weird, but maybe its own docs cover that | Jun 18 03:46 |
| schestowitz | what about MOTD? | Jun 18 03:47 |
| schestowitz | should we explain how to register? | Jun 18 03:47 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Jun 18 03:47 |
| schestowitz | I get some queries sometimes | Jun 18 03:47 |
| MinceR | i haven't looked closely at the user guide yet | Jun 18 03:47 |
| schestowitz | and mind you, 90% or more of the activity comes from this network now, from konversation I can no longer connect to freenode anymore | Jun 18 03:47 |
| schestowitz | tried for about 12 hours, with and without ssl | Jun 18 03:47 |
| schestowitz | very weird, spent ages in vain trying to figure our the cause | Jun 18 03:48 |
| schestowitz | I have 2 more hours before part 11 of the epo series | Jun 18 03:48 |
| schestowitz | maybe I'll name basic commands in MOTD | Jun 18 03:48 |
| schestowitz | as per "faq" | Jun 18 03:49 |
| schestowitz | "Freenode is FOSS" | Jun 18 03:49 |
| schestowitz | "Freenode is FOSSIL" | Jun 18 03:49 |
| schestowitz | "Freenode is FOSSIL" | Jun 18 03:49 |
| schestowitz | "Freenode is FOSSIL" | Jun 18 03:50 |
| schestowitz | "Freenode is F*" | Jun 18 03:50 |
| schestowitz | at this point it's very unreliable | Jun 18 03:50 |
| schestowitz | like I said, I wasted a lot of time today just trying to reconnect to it after some netsplit that affected about 20 users | Jun 18 03:50 |
| MinceR | how far does it get? | Jun 18 03:50 |
| schestowitz | maybe they even placed a restriction | Jun 18 03:50 |
| schestowitz | [03:50] [Info] Server found, connecting... | Jun 18 03:51 |
| schestowitz | [03:50] [Error] Connection to server chat.freenode.net (port 6697) lost: The remote host closed the connection. | Jun 18 03:51 |
| schestowitz | [03:50] [Info] Trying to reconnect to chat.freenode.net (port 6697) in 10 seconds. | Jun 18 03:51 |
| schestowitz | no kidding | Jun 18 03:51 |
| schestowitz | 12 hours and counting | Jun 18 03:51 |
| MinceR | maybe it's enough to put a link to https://github.com/ergochat/ergo/blob/master/docs/USERGUIDE.md in the motd | Jun 18 03:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ergo/USERGUIDE.md at master · ergochat/ergo · GitHub | Jun 18 03:51 | |
| schestowitz | since a netsplit | Jun 18 03:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: shithub | Jun 18 03:51 |
| schestowitz | bad optics | Jun 18 03:51 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Huh, I've been poking freenode all day looking at the motd and it connected fine with TLS. | Jun 18 03:51 |
| schestowitz | I'll pick key commands from there | Jun 18 03:51 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe it's luck, don't know. | Jun 18 03:52 |
| schestowitz | ircd:/# ps aux| wc -l | Jun 18 03:52 |
| schestowitz | 9 | Jun 18 03:52 |
| schestowitz | including ps itself | Jun 18 03:52 |
| activelow | beforce connecting to any IRC service i resolve it's ip address and then use this directly, got one here for freenode | Jun 18 03:52 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: That… is not a great idea. | Jun 18 03:53 |
| schestowitz | what are some static ips or hostnames for freenode? | Jun 18 03:53 |
| activelow | too i am resolving all dns through onion as a precaution since DNS was known to be hijacked for transparent interception | Jun 18 03:53 |
| XRevan86 | happytree.freenode.net is one | Jun 18 03:53 |
| activelow | # host <domain.name> shows the IP address | Jun 18 03:53 |
| XRevan86 | The last bastion of classic™ it was, just remembered it, no other reason for the pick. | Jun 18 03:54 |
| activelow | Unable to connect server ajnvpgl6prmkb7yktvue6im5wiedlz2w32uhcwaamdiecdrfpwwgnlqd.onion port **** [Connection refused] | Jun 18 03:56 |
| MinceR | no, capone was the last bastion | Jun 18 03:56 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Correction: the last bastion I cared about | Jun 18 03:57 |
| schestowitz | is ascii art in motd frowned upon? | Jun 18 03:57 |
| MinceR | no | Jun 18 03:57 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Jun 18 03:57 |
| MinceR | np | Jun 18 03:58 |
| XRevan86 | Is unicode art in motd frowned upon? | Jun 18 03:58 |
| schestowitz | good question | Jun 18 03:58 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Jun 18 03:58 |
| schestowitz | but I said ascii | Jun 18 03:58 |
| MinceR | i don't think i saw unicode in motd so far | Jun 18 03:58 |
| schestowitz | [03:58] [Info] Server found, connecting... | Jun 18 03:58 |
| schestowitz | [03:58] [Error] Connection to server happytree.freenode.net (port 6697) lost: Connection refused. | Jun 18 03:58 |
| schestowitz | [03:58] [Info] Trying to reconnect to happytree.freenode.net (port 6697) in 10 seconds. | Jun 18 03:58 |
| schestowitz | lol, good luck, mister Lee | Jun 18 03:58 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▆▃███▅▇▄▅▇▇▆█▃▄▆▂▃▅▆█▆▅▅▅▃▆▇▄▆▃▆▁ avg(k/sec) 51.60 ▕ IPFS upstream: █▂█▁▂▂▁▁▁▁▂▃▁▂▂▁▁▁▁▃▂▂▂▂▁▁▁▂█▂█▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 71.65▕ swarm size (avg): 224.12 ⟲ | Jun 18 03:59 |
| schestowitz | [03:59] [Error] Connection to server chat.freenode.net (port 6697) lost: The remote host closed the connection. | Jun 18 03:59 |
| schestowitz | [03:59] [Info] Trying to reconnect to chat.freenode.net (port 6697) in 10 seconds. | Jun 18 03:59 |
| schestowitz | how to kill an IRC network in less than 4 weeks | Jun 18 03:59 |
| schestowitz | the "diet plan" | Jun 18 04:00 |
| schestowitz | meme: | Jun 18 04:00 |
| schestowitz | you don't need many servers when you have little users in the pool | Jun 18 04:00 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: rinnegan.freenode.net? | Jun 18 04:01 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: can you remind me how to apply settings like motd stuff? | Jun 18 04:03 |
| schestowitz | You gave me some command before | Jun 18 04:03 |
| MinceR | /quote rehash | Jun 18 04:03 |
| schestowitz | [04:03] [Error] Connection to server rinnegan.freenode.net (port 6697) lost: The remote host closed the connection. | Jun 18 04:03 |
| schestowitz | [04:03] [Info] Trying to reconnect to rinnegan.freenode.net (port 6697) in 10 seconds. | Jun 18 04:03 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I can definitely connect to that with TLS. | Jun 18 04:04 |
| schestowitz | -irc.techrights.org- Rehash complete | Jun 18 04:05 |
| MinceR | nice | Jun 18 04:06 |
| schestowitz | can you see it? | Jun 18 04:06 |
| MinceR | if i say /motd, yes | Jun 18 04:06 |
| MinceR | but it's a bit crooked | Jun 18 04:06 |
| schestowitz | it's for fixed length fonts | Jun 18 04:06 |
| MinceR | i am using fixed width | Jun 18 04:06 |
| MinceR | though some of those characters may actually be not so fixed width | Jun 18 04:07 |
| MinceR | unicode is like that :> | Jun 18 04:07 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I have two hypotheses: either ye're not really connecting with TLS or your connection is throttled. | Jun 18 04:07 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, it's a 'best effort' thing | Jun 18 04:08 |
| schestowitz | throttled seems possible | Jun 18 04:08 |
| schestowitz | after the netsplit it attempted many times to connect | Jun 18 04:08 |
| schestowitz | maybe their filters are all f-ed | Jun 18 04:08 |
| schestowitz | either way, they go out of their way to block legit users | Jun 18 04:08 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Are ye sure ye don't want the bridge in tuxmachines? | Jun 18 04:09 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Techrights Bulletin for Thursday, June 17, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext | Jun 18 04:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives | Jun 18 04:09 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing | Jun 18 04:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index | Jun 18 04:10 | |
| schestowitz | I do actually | Jun 18 04:10 |
| schestowitz | seeing that the other network is not dependable | Jun 18 04:10 |
| schestowitz | let me create the channel here... | Jun 18 04:10 |
| activelow | chat.freenode.net/54.37.136.225:6697 succeeded, happytree.freenode.net:6697|6667 didn't -> connection refused | Jun 18 04:11 |
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| MinceR | XRevan86: ping | Jun 18 04:15 |
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| *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge | Jun 18 04:15 | |
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| XRevan86 | Huh, connection failed to irc.techrights.org | Jun 18 04:18 |
| schestowitz | is that why the bridge falls? | Jun 18 04:18 |
| XRevan86 | Nah, it couldn't connect to freenode at first. And now to techrights | Jun 18 04:19 |
| XRevan86 | It's actually throttled | Jun 18 04:21 |
| XRevan86 | Tell me when I can start it up again. | Jun 18 04:22 |
| schestowitz | try now | Jun 18 04:23 |
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| schestowitz | freenode is definitely doing some throttling | Jun 18 04:23 |
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| schestowitz | which I suppose explains what I experienced since yesterday | Jun 18 04:23 |
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| schestowitz | I am guessing the throttling happens at their end, not ours | Jun 18 04:24 |
| XRevan86 | I regret restarting the bridge. | Jun 18 04:24 |
| schestowitz | that's why I was also careful not to hang on any existing IRC client | Jun 18 04:24 |
| schestowitz | freenode is very fussy about letting people back in | Jun 18 04:25 |
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| schestowitz | maybe some kind of rate-limiting | Jun 18 04:25 |
| schestowitz | maybe they were DDOSed | Jun 18 04:25 |
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| XRevan86 | This sucks | Jun 18 04:25 |
| schestowitz | [04:11] <activelow> chat.freenode.net/54.37.136.225:6697 succeeded, happytree.freenode.net:6697|6667 didn't -> connection refused | Jun 18 04:26 |
| schestowitz | could not get back on | Jun 18 04:26 |
| schestowitz | activel0w (~activel0w@freenode-v2p.o8c.cufafo.IP) has left #techrights ("Leaving") | Jun 18 04:26 |
| schestowitz | from freenode | Jun 18 04:27 |
| schestowitz | boko haram: nobody leaves! | Jun 18 04:27 |
| schestowitz | freenode: nobody joins! | Jun 18 04:27 |
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| *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge | Jun 18 04:28 | |
| schestowitz | what's the trick, XRevan86 | Jun 18 04:28 |
| schestowitz | certain hostname? | Jun 18 04:28 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: capelle.freenode.net let me in | Jun 18 04:28 |
| schestowitz/fn | notice to ALL in Freenode | Jun 18 04:29 |
| schestowitz/fn | freenode is turning away many connection attempts | Jun 18 04:29 |
| schestowitz/fn | if you get refused, use capelle.freenode.net | Jun 18 04:29 |
| schestowitz/fn | in place of chat.freenode.net | Jun 18 04:29 |
| schestowitz/fn | for now at least (temporarily) | Jun 18 04:29 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe it's just luck, it's pretty random. | Jun 18 04:29 |
| activelow | schestowitz: your channel was one reason to remain on freenode, why stay there now? | Jun 18 04:30 |
| schestowitz/fn | well, for now it is at least working around the limitation | Jun 18 04:30 |
| schestowitz/fn | why not stay where you already are and have been for 13+ years? (rhetorical) | Jun 18 04:30 |
| XRevan86 | I can think of a few reasons. | Jun 18 04:31 |
| schestowitz/fn | whether we can depend on that network given its many technical issues (as of late) is another question | Jun 18 04:31 |
| schestowitz/fn | tuesday's events forced me to fork over some bots and shift the logging to the other network | Jun 18 04:31 |
| schestowitz/fn | a whole day of downtime and other issues, without even prior notice, is not acceptable | Jun 18 04:31 |
| schestowitz/fn | From "Freenode is FOSS" to Freenode is disrupting operations of FOSS projects | Jun 18 04:32 |
| MinceR | this server isn't immune to downtime either | Jun 18 04:32 |
| schestowitz/fn | maybe not by intentional, but prudence and care would go a long way | Jun 18 04:32 |
| schestowitz/fn | MinceR: correct, hence it's good to keep two networks | Jun 18 04:33 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Intentional. | Jun 18 04:33 |
| XRevan86 | We've established that yesterday. | Jun 18 04:33 |
| schestowitz/fn | the suits call it "multi clown" | Jun 18 04:33 |
| schestowitz/fn | or multiclown | Jun 18 04:33 |
| schestowitz | will test tuxmachines bridge | Jun 18 04:34 |
| techrights-bot/fn | If you are attempting to connect to #freenode and they turn away your connection (ongoing issue, BIG BIG issue), try temporarily using capelle.freenode.net in place of chat.freenode.net (until their sort out their issues) | Jun 18 04:36 |
| schestowitz | works ok, thanks XRevan86! | Jun 18 04:36 |
| schestowitz | wait, actually it did not work | Jun 18 04:37 |
| schestowitz | does giving it op help RELAY? | Jun 18 04:38 |
| MinceR | it needs op to send RELAYMSG, but afaict that is not enabled on freenode anyway | Jun 18 04:38 |
| MinceR | and it can send RELAYMSG here | Jun 18 04:38 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Ole Aamot: GNOME Internet Radio Locator version 11.10 with GeoClue Location View support • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152410 | Jun 18 04:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ole Aamot: GNOME Internet Radio Locator version 11.10 with GeoClue Location View support | Tux Machines | Jun 18 04:38 | |
| schestowitz | OK, I think it needed op | Jun 18 04:39 |
| schestowitz | now that works there | Jun 18 04:39 |
| schestowitz | does bridge automatically attempt to obtain operator status? Upon connection? | Jun 18 04:39 |
| schestowitz | activel0w is now back online at freenode.net | Jun 18 04:41 |
| schestowitz | we still don't know what runs the freenode.net web site/www | Jun 18 04:42 |
| schestowitz | they don't say | Jun 18 04:42 |
| XRevan86 | No idea. It gets op here automatically though, but it could be something else doing that. | Jun 18 04:42 |
| schestowitz | some of us tried finding out what's behind clownflare | Jun 18 04:42 |
| schestowitz | https://freenode.net/ still says nothing, since a week+ ago | Jun 18 04:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | freenode | Jun 18 04:42 | |
| schestowitz | https://freenode.net/rss 404—Not Found | Jun 18 04:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://freenode.net/rss ) | Jun 18 04:43 | |
| XRevan86 | Not going to restart it just yet to find out. | Jun 18 04:43 |
| schestowitz | page source suggests it is custom-made | Jun 18 04:43 |
| schestowitz | Error 522 https://webchat.freenode.net/ | Jun 18 04:45 |
| schestowitz | oh, dear... | Jun 18 04:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 18 04:45 |
| schestowitz | <a href="https://git.freenode.net/freenode-web/web-7-0"><i class="fa fa-gitlab fa-lg"></i></a> | Jun 18 04:45 |
| schestowitz | they at least link to their gitLAB site | Jun 18 04:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 522 @ https://webchat.freenode.net/ ) | Jun 18 04:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | freenode-web / web-7-0 · GitLab | Jun 18 04:45 | |
| schestowitz | I convinced them to move to self-hosted git hosting, I think | Jun 18 04:45 |
| techrights-bot/fn | I asked #freenode to #deletegithub and move to #selfhosting #git and that worked. https://git.freenode.net/freenode-web/web-7-0 | Jun 18 04:46 |
| schestowitz | good luck finding out what IP really powers their site | Jun 18 04:47 |
| schestowitz | they hide behind clownflare for any request I make, even bad ones | Jun 18 04:47 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #patents on pot. #epo .. you're stoned!! https://seekingalpha.com/news/3707235-cannabics-to-launch-new-drug-development-programs | Jun 18 04:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://seekingalpha.com/news/3707235-cannabics-to-launch-new-drug-development-programs ) | Jun 18 04:48 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: just noticed, for the first time ever, MEDUZA in Google News! | Jun 18 04:48 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "Drug money In 2011, the Russian government launched a multibillion-dollar gambit to strengthen the country’s pharmaceutical industry. Ten years later, it’s led to a wave of arrests — and not much else." https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/06/16/drug-money | Jun 18 04:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Jun 18 04:49 | |
| schestowitz | But the MEDUZA RSS feed has been broken for over 2 weeks | Jun 18 04:49 |
| schestowitz | so I receive no updates from that site otherwise.. | Jun 18 04:49 |
| *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights | Jun 18 04:51 | |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: the container of ergo does not have tools like rsync, so I'm not sure how to make a complete backup of it | Jun 18 04:51 |
| schestowitz | though I suppose hv can make nightly blobs out of it for D-R's sake | Jun 18 04:51 |
| techrights-bot/fn | As always, to know what goes on 'behind the scenes' at #techrights in (almost) real time visit http://techrights.org/irc or just come to IRC | Jun 18 04:53 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Virtual Injustice -- Part 10 in progress. Will be out 6am GMT. #techrights #epo #corruption #patents #maladministration | Jun 18 04:54 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▇▆▃▆▆▅▅▆▄▅▆█▇▃▄▅▇▆▆▄▅▅▄▆▅▅▇▇▆▁▅▇▇▁ avg(k/sec) 37.03 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▁▂▁▁▂▂▁▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▂▃▂▃▂▂▂▂▃▁▁▂▁█▂▂▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 12.73▕ swarm size (avg): 237.36 ⟲ | Jun 18 04:59 |
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| AdmFubar | https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-no-longer-offers-windows-7-drivers-via-windows-update/ | Jun 18 05:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Microsoft no longer offers Windows 7 drivers via Windows Update | Jun 18 05:16 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.databreaches.net/for-hacked-companies-paying-a-ransom-may-not-work-many-say-they-paid-but-were-attacked-again/ | Jun 18 05:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.databreaches.net | For hacked companies, paying a ransom may not work: Many say they paid but were attacked again | Jun 18 05:22 | |
| schestowitz | morning, AdmFubard | Jun 18 05:22 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #microsoft #windows #proprietarySoftware #DumpThisCrap https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-no-longer-offers-windows-7-drivers-via-windows-update/ | Jun 18 05:24 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Cracked, not "hacked" https://www.databreaches.net/for-hacked-companies-paying-a-ransom-may-not-work-many-say-they-paid-but-were-attacked-again/ and usually due to #proprietarySoftware e.g. http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/ | Jun 18 05:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights | Jun 18 05:24 | |
| AdmFubar | morning for you.... will be nighty night time for me.. :) | Jun 18 05:26 |
| techrights-bot/fn | If you pay ransom money and then stay with the same #proprietarySoftware that brought in #ransomware in the first place, then you deserve to be blackmailed again and again. Until you learn a lesson and move to #freesw ... without back doors as part of the design http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA | Jun 18 05:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights | Jun 18 05:26 | |
| schestowitz | AdmFubar: I see... | Jun 18 05:27 |
| schestowitz | BTW, in channel/network message we now have user registration tip | Jun 18 05:27 |
| schestowitz | as that may help those who like you failed to log in | Jun 18 05:27 |
| schestowitz | type /motd in network screen | Jun 18 05:28 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Arduino and GNU/Linux Devices • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152411 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 18 05:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Arduino and GNU/Linux Devices | Tux Machines | Jun 18 05:28 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #uspto #fakepatents #ptab #boguspatents "one of the IPR plaintiffs, continued the IPR action after Apple settled, and that on June 6, the PTAB issued a Final Written Decision finding all challenged claims (1-3 and 5-13) to be unpatentable (the patent has a total of 22 claims)." https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/contreras-shepardizing-patents.html | Jun 18 05:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Guest Post by Prof. Contreras: Shepardizing Patents | Patently-O | Jun 18 05:30 | |
| activelow | patent trolling too harms those who legitimately seeked to protect their rights | Jun 18 05:31 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #IBM does not understand its competition? https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1botSEYO #redhat #crisis | Jun 18 05:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM does not understand its competition? - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jun 18 05:32 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #ibm #morale "Things are getting worse here daily. The toxic work environment has completely snuffed out any joy I had in doing my job and don't even get me started on all the bu-----t politics we have to deal with all the time." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1boaXjOa | Jun 18 05:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | This is getting tiresome - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jun 18 05:32 | |
| DaemonFC | https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/248038/hungary-passes-law-barring-pornography-pro-lgbt-content-for-minors | Jun 18 05:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.catholicnewsagency.com | Hungary passes law barring pornography, pro-LGBT content for minors | Jun 18 05:33 | |
| DaemonFC | The Catholics are celebrating Orban's censorship law, which contains many of the same elements as Russia's "gay propaganda" law. | Jun 18 05:34 |
| techrights-bot/fn | On #ibm #redhat : "So why was yours truly DT shocked? It's simple. Here was our CEO acknowledging that we will hit 5b this year. Not 10b in two years or 15b in five years. All that effort. All that money. And still growth that leaves us floundering." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bobChtI | Jun 18 05:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Memo re Red Hat - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jun 18 05:34 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | "The end of IBM... a slow and painful death..." #ibm #redhat #financialEngineering #CookingTheBooks https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bobChtI | Jun 18 05:35 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "I thought companies would want to hire ex IBMers, but maybe those of us up in age, are not looked upon as a good hire." #ibm #layoffs https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bnTU8BK | Jun 18 05:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Any recent IBMers having luck in the job market ? - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jun 18 05:36 | |
| activelow | exposing minors to pornography isn't in compliance with law in germany too, operatores of this business must present a confirmation dialog <age18> | Jun 18 05:36 |
| activelow | hadn't noticed any outcry yet except if it is directed towards political opponents | Jun 18 05:37 |
| techrights-bot/fn | " #IBM is the worst company to work for. Execs are clueless and uninspiring. Get out - life is much better outside that dump." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bm3HmGB | Jun 18 05:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBMers are not motivated and don't want to work - post regarding IBM layoffs | Jun 18 05:37 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Pure gold and I can relate: 'I haven't had a pay-rise in years, but each year I make sure my hourly rate goes up.' https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bm3HmGB | Jun 18 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | Well, a site has no idea who is accessing it. | Jun 18 05:38 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "This is what happens when folks feel like they are on a sinking ship and just waiting for the RA to hit them." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bm3HmGB | Jun 18 05:38 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "In a mix of intended and unintended actions, IBM did just about everything it could do to demotivate its employees. And here we are. Ever unward." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bm3HmGB | Jun 18 05:39 |
| AdmFubar | Poor lil ibm... whoda thunk that a company built on revenge would go under after all these years... | Jun 18 05:41 |
| AdmFubar | :P | Jun 18 05:41 |
| schestowitz | it has little time left to live | Jun 18 05:41 |
| *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) | Jun 18 05:41 | |
| schestowitz | maybe under a decade imho | Jun 18 05:41 |
| schestowitz | so it's attacking everyone now | Jun 18 05:41 |
| schestowitz | even its own | Jun 18 05:41 |
| schestowitz | fedora, centos, fsf | Jun 18 05:41 |
| schestowitz | let them die already | Jun 18 05:41 |
| schestowitz | so they can leave us all alone | Jun 18 05:41 |
| schestowitz | it's another novell | Jun 18 05:42 |
| schestowitz | [05:31] <activelow> patent trolling too harms those who legitimately seeked to protect their rights | Jun 18 05:42 |
| schestowitz | that harms this system's credibility | Jun 18 05:43 |
| schestowitz | which I think is why some in the microcosm have grown concerned | Jun 18 05:43 |
| schestowitz | their occupation is getting a really bad rap | Jun 18 05:43 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | Ongoing discussion about using compression in #geminiProtocol transmissions (we already have #encryption but compression for short texts?) https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006711.html https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006713.html https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006719.html https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006720.html | Jun 18 05:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | a space case for transparent gemtext compression | Jun 18 05:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | a space case for transparent gemtext compression | Jun 18 05:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | a space case for transparent gemtext compression | Jun 18 05:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | a space case for transparent gemtext compression | Jun 18 05:46 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | When you work for a company and work experience that you gained becomes like some sort of 'possession crime'; this is what happens when laws are written for and passed for the rich. https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s9qpzdsqzxpv/counsel-job-hoppers-spark-china-trade-secrets-challenges | Jun 18 05:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Counsel: job hoppers spark China trade secrets challenges | Managing Intellectual Property | Jun 18 05:48 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Tell me when #patent attorneys actually learn how to use #encryption (and actually start using it). For now, all that #confidentiality and #privilege talk is pure comedy and false promises. https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/communication-with-attorney.html | Jun 18 05:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Communication with your Attorney | Patently-O | Jun 18 05:50 | |
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| AdmFubar | https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/16/no-nfts-arent-copyrights/ | Jun 18 05:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No, NFTs aren’t copyrights – TechCrunch | Jun 18 05:56 | |
| schestowitz | lol | Jun 18 05:57 |
| schestowitz | NFT | Jun 18 05:57 |
| schestowitz | humanity gone wrong | Jun 18 05:57 |
| schestowitz | let them eat NFT... | Jun 18 05:57 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reuters.com/article/us-offshore-wealth-idUSBRE86L03U20120722 | Jun 18 05:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens | Reuters | Jun 18 05:58 | |
| AdmFubar | https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/16/apple-health/ | Jun 18 05:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-With iOS 15, Apple reveals just how far Health has come — and how much further it can go – TechCrunch | Jun 18 05:58 | |
| schestowitz | 'health' | Jun 18 05:58 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▆▅▆▇▅▅▂▇▅▇▄▅▆▅▄▆▅▂▅▆▇▅▅▆▇▇▃▅▇▆▇▁ avg(k/sec) 34.81 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▃▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▂█▁▂▂▂▃▁ avg(k/sec) 25.05▕ swarm size (avg): 246.04 ⟲ | Jun 18 05:59 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #surveillance spun as 'health' -- the same propaganda I've been warning about for years. Being oppressed is "Safety" and "Good for you!!" https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/16/apple-health/ #aol #lol #apple | Jun 18 05:59 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eH76Haezq4 | Jun 18 06:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fârnhäan 2.0 - Fârnhäan Fit - YouTube | Jun 18 06:00 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | The more "smart" things you have at home and carry around with you, the dumber you're likely to be... or more gullible. #marketing #gimmicks #surveillance #junk | Jun 18 06:00 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #surveillance as 'health' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eH76Haezq4 #spying #SurveillanceCapitalism #SurveillanceState #SmartShit | Jun 18 06:02 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Virtual Injustice -- Part 10: Vapid and Superficial Coverage in the 'IP' Blogosphere http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/superficial-epo-coverage/ #epo #corruption #europe #patents #kangarooCourts | Jun 18 06:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice — Part 10: Vapid and Superficial Coverage in the ‘IP’ Blogosphere | Techrights | Jun 18 06:03 | |
| AdmFubar | https://harryshearer.com/le-show/ | Jun 18 06:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-harryshearer.com | Le Show - Harry Shearer | Jun 18 06:04 | |
| schestowitz | new freenode: | Jun 18 06:06 |
| schestowitz | [04:28] [Users] Current users on the network: 25257 Max: 28291 | Jun 18 06:06 |
| schestowitz | [04:28] [Users] 23378 channels formed | Jun 18 06:06 |
| schestowitz | they used to be double or more that figure | Jun 18 06:06 |
| schestowitz | just a month back | Jun 18 06:06 |
| schestowitz | it takes a lot of talent to lose that many that fast | Jun 18 06:06 |
| AdmFubar | I had a feeling it wasn't going to work out. I hoped it would.. | Jun 18 06:07 |
| AdmFubar | https://www.theinformation.com/articles/nvidias-40-billion-takeover-of-arm-faces-new-foe-european-vacations | Jun 18 06:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theinformation.com | Nvidia’s $40 Billion Takeover of Arm Faces New Foe: European Vacations — The Information | Jun 18 06:10 | |
| AdmFubar | https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/16/on-a-growth-tear-duckduckgo-reveals-it-picked-up-100m-in-secondary-investment-last-year/ | Jun 18 06:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-On a growth tear, DuckDuckGo reveals it picked up $100M in secondary investment last year – TechCrunch | Jun 18 06:11 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210614/07470746988/think-tech-companies-are-too-monopolistic-then-stop-giving-them-patent-monopolies.shtml | Jun 18 06:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Think Tech Companies Are Too Monopolistic? Then Stop Giving Them Patent Monopolies | Techdirt | Jun 18 06:12 | |
| schestowitz | yes, seen that | Jun 18 06:12 |
| schestowitz | techcrunch became really awful under AOL | Jun 18 06:13 |
| schestowitz | seems like MSM and PR junk | Jun 18 06:13 |
| schestowitz | they used to do exclusives under Arrington | Jun 18 06:13 |
| schestowitz | DDG is a scam | Jun 18 06:13 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/03/15/duckduckgo-in-2021/ | Jun 18 06:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why You Should Avoid DuckDuckGo (DDG) 2021 Edition, Now Microsoft-Hosted and With Extra Privacy Risks | Techrights | Jun 18 06:13 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210613/16341146984/fbi-ignored-own-warrant-search-policies-to-seize-millions-peoples-safety-deposit-boxes.shtml | Jun 18 06:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FBI Ignored Its Own Warrant And Search Policies To Seize Millions From People's Safety Deposit Boxes | Techdirt | Jun 18 06:13 | |
| schestowitz | alll those who promote this scam are complicit, unusually unwittingly | Jun 18 06:13 |
| AdmFubar | https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/spacesuit_reboot/ | Jun 18 06:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Your spacesuit ran into a problem and needs to restart • The Register | Jun 18 06:15 | |
| AdmFubar | https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/microsoft_packages_404/ | Jun 18 06:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Microsoft loves Linux so much that packages.microsoft.com has fallen and can't get up • The Register | Jun 18 06:15 | |
| AdmFubar | me thinks there is a lil blue pill for that | Jun 18 06:16 |
| AdmFubar | https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/tim_cook_interview_sideloading/ | Jun 18 06:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Tim Cook: Sideloading is a disaster and proposed App Store reforms would harm user privacy and security • The Register | Jun 18 06:16 | |
| AdmFubar | unlike now | Jun 18 06:17 |
| AdmFubar | https://torrentfreak.com/bill-to-automatically-delete-pirated-content-from-search-engines-submitted-in-russia-210617/ | Jun 18 06:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bill To Automatically Delete Pirated Content From Search Engines Submitted in Russia * TorrentFreak | Jun 18 06:17 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Meme: Swedish Justice http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/on-swedish-justice/ #sweden #kangarooCourt #epo #corruption #patents | Jun 18 06:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Swedish Justice | Techrights | Jun 18 06:19 | |
| AdmFubar | https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/06/device-makers-have-funneled-billions-to-orthopedic-surgeons-who-use-their-products.html | Jun 18 06:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nakedcapitalism.com | Device Makers Have Funneled Billions to Orthopedic Surgeons Who Use Their Products | naked capitalism | Jun 18 06:21 | |
| schestowitz | hmmm | Jun 18 06:23 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Today in #Techrights • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152412 | Jun 18 06:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jun 18 06:25 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #bribery #kickbacks https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/06/device-makers-have-funneled-billions-to-orthopedic-surgeons-who-use-their-products.html | Jun 18 06:26 |
| AdmFubar | https://arstechnica.com/?p=1774337 | Jun 18 06:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Microsoft’s Linux repositories were down for 18+ hours | Ars Technica | Jun 18 06:27 | |
| AdmFubar | https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/heres-whats-inside-googles-first-ever-retail-store/ | Jun 18 06:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Here’s what’s inside Google’s first-ever retail store | Ars Technica | Jun 18 06:29 | |
| AdmFubar | https://arstechnica.com/?p=1774253 | Jun 18 06:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | World Bank slams bitcoin, declines to help El Salvador’s cryptocurrency plan | Ars Technica | Jun 18 06:30 | |
| AdmFubar | https://arstechnica.com/?p=1774198 | Jun 18 06:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Ohio Republicans close to imposing near-total ban on municipal broadband | Ars Technica | Jun 18 06:30 | |
| AdmFubar | https://arstechnica.com/?p=1774127 | Jun 18 06:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Ten-year hacktivist fugitive Commander X arrested in Mexico | Ars Technica | Jun 18 06:31 | |
| AdmFubar | https://arstechnica.com/?p=1774162 | Jun 18 06:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | A new HTTP spec proposes elimination of obnoxious “cookie banners” | Ars Technica | Jun 18 06:36 | |
| AdmFubar | ok out for the night... | Jun 18 06:40 |
| *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has left #techrights | Jun 18 06:40 | |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▄▇▂█▇▁▆▇▅▅▃▄▂▂▇▆▁▄▆▆▇▁▅▄▅▅▆▄▄▇▅▆▂▆▁ avg(k/sec) 33.98 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▂▁▁▁▂█▂▃▂▁▁▁▁▁▂▂█▁▁▁▁▁▂▂▂▁▂▂▂▁▂▁ avg(k/sec) 21.53▕ swarm size (avg): 252.24 ⟲ | Jun 18 06:59 |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▇▅▄▅▃▄▄▅▅▆▇▅▆▄▅▆▅▄▅▂▃▄▇▄▆▇▄▄▆█▇▅▆█▆▆▁ avg(k/sec) 48.75 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▂▃▂▂▁▁▁▁▁▂▂▁▁▁▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 20.16▕ swarm size (avg): 258.71 ⟲ | Jun 18 07:59 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #DataSwamp ☞ Run your Gemini server on Guix with Agate https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2021-06-17-guix-gemini.html | Jun 18 08:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dataswamp.org | Solene's percent % : Run your Gemini server on Guix with Agate | Jun 18 08:23 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #NBC #ProprietarySoftware ☞ 50,000 security disasters waiting to happen: The problem of America's water supplies https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/hacker-tried-poison-calif-water-supply-was-easy-entering-password-rcna1206 | Jun 18 08:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | A hacker tried to poison a Calif. water supply. It was as easy as entering a password. | Jun 18 08:25 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Microsoft #Windows TCO: ● #Vice #ProprietarySoftware ☞ #Police Bust Major Ransomware Gang Cl0p https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvz7x3/police-bust-major-ransomware-gang-cl0p | Jun 18 08:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vice.com | Police Bust Major Ransomware Gang Cl0p | Jun 18 08:25 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #ITWire #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Proofpoint identifies malware targeting government institutions https://itwire.com/security/proofpoint-identifies-malware-targeting-government-institutions.html | Jun 18 08:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Proofpoint identifies malware targeting government institutions | Jun 18 08:25 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #CopenhagenPost #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Christian Eriksen to get an implantable cardioverter-defibrillator unit https://cphpost.dk/?p=125642 | Jun 18 08:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cphpost.dk | Christian Eriksen to get an implantable cardioverter-defibrillator unit - The Post | Jun 18 08:26 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Microsoft #Windows TCO: ● #TheEconomist #ProprietarySoftware ☞ To stop the ransomware pandemic, start with the basics https://www.economist.com/leaders/2021/06/19/to-stop-the-ransomware-pandemic-start-with-the-basics | Jun 18 08:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-To stop the ransomware pandemic, start with the basics | The Economist | Jun 18 08:26 | |
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| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #EestiRahvusringhääling #Privacy #Surveillance ☞ President discusses biometric data act with EKRE leader https://news.err.ee/1608250338/president-discusses-biometric-data-act-with-ekre-leader | Jun 18 08:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.err.ee | President discusses biometric data act with EKRE leader | News | ERR | Jun 18 08:38 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #TechTimes #Environment ☞ #NASA , #NOAA New Satellite Datasets Show Earth's Doubled Heat Is Like Dropping Four #Hiroshima Atomic Bombs Every Second! https://www.techtimes.com/articles/261604/20210617/nasa-noaa-new-satellite-datasets-show-earths-doubled-heat-dropping.htm | Jun 18 08:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com | NASA, NOAA New Satellite Datasets Show Earth's Doubled Heat Is Like Dropping Four Hiroshima Atomic Bombs Every Second! | Tech Times | Jun 18 08:38 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | World Bank slams bitcoin, declines to help El Salvador’s cryptocurrency plan | Ars Technica ⚓ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/06/world-bank-slams-bitcoin-declines-to-help-el-salvadors-cryptocurrency-plan/ ䷉ #arstechnica | Jun 18 08:40 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Ohio Republicans close to imposing near-total ban on municipal broadband | Ars Technica ⚓ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/06/ohio-republicans-close-to-imposing-near-total-ban-on-municipal-broadband/ ䷉ #arstechnica | Jun 18 08:41 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #TheHill #Politics ☞ Senators unveil legislation to crack down on cyber criminals https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/558982-senators-unveil-legislation-to-crack-down-on-cyber-criminals | Jun 18 08:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Senators unveil legislation to crack down on cyber criminals | TheHill | Jun 18 08:45 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | The media has come under attack by #BenoîtBattistelli ; during the term of #AntónioCampinos most of the media critical of the #EPO has mostly vanished already; so one needs to look carefully at comments and #socialcontrolmedia • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/superficial-epo-coverage/ | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.o <clipped message> | Jun 18 08:47 |
| techrights-bot/fn | rg/2021/06/18/superficial-epo-coverage/ | Jun 18 08:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice — Part 10: Vapid and Superficial Coverage in the ‘IP’ Blogosphere | Techrights | Jun 18 08:47 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | The EPO‘s #patent tribunals have been mostly symbolic under the #BenoîtBattistelli and #AntónioCampinos regimes • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/on-swedish-justice/ ䷉ #Techrights #EPO | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/18/on-swedish-justice/ | Jun 18 08:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Swedish Justice | Techrights | Jun 18 08:48 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | "... Palantir and Jigsaw are not into advertising ..." https://odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6/caveman:0 | Jun 18 08:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Ask the Caveman: Are All Social Media Apps Bad? | Jun 18 08:50 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Good summary of how #freenode simply harmed itself this past Tuesday (very very dark day to those of who who still relied on freenode) https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/freenode-is-now-dead-birth-of-a-new:b | Jun 18 08:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Freenode Is Now Dead: Birth Of A New Freenode | Jun 18 08:51 | |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▃▅▅▆▆▄▃▄▂▅▇▅▇▄▅▄▂▇▇▃▅▆▅▅▇▅▆▅▂▅▆▅▆▁ avg(k/sec) 31.75 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▁▂▂▂▂▂▁█▁▂▂▁▂▁▁▁▂▂▁▂▃▂▁▁▂▂▁▂▁▂▂▂▁▂▃▁ avg(k/sec) 17.81▕ swarm size (avg): 263.93 ⟲ | Jun 18 08:59 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #nextcloud https://mastodon.xyz/@nextcloud/106421347724687764 | Jun 18 09:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.xyz | Nextcloud 📱☁️💻: "The Dutch Data Protection Authority advises Dutch…" - Mastodon | Jun 18 09:00 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | "It does appear that Microsoft's been doing a fair bit of swotting on Linux desktops when designing Windows 11. Unsurprising. Microsoft have been slowly copying all the many innovations to user interfaces created by #FOSS communities." https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@lightweight/106427944620347953 | Jun 18 09:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.nzoss.nz | Dave Lane: "It does appear that Microsoft's been doing a fair…" - Mastodon - NZOSS | Jun 18 09:04 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | "Spend a few minutes today to save yourself tomorrow." https://mastodon.social/@dvl/106427483432442617 | Jun 18 09:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Dan Langille: "Spend a few minutes today to save yourself tomorr…" - Mastodon | Jun 18 09:05 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | “The confidentiality of communications protects Art.7 right to #privacy. The European Court has repeatedly ruled against wholesale surveillance of communications on that basis and as such this derogation does not comply with the Charter and is a breach of EU law.” https://chaos.social/@echo_pbreyer/106426641693733482 | Jun 18 09:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patrick Breyer: "RT @EIF4eu@twitter.com “The confidentiality of c…" - chaos.social | Jun 18 09:06 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #VOANews #PressFreedom ☞ Detained American Journalist Appears in #Myanmar Special Court https://www.voanews.com/press-freedom/detained-american-journalist-appears-myanmar-special-court | Jun 18 09:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | Detained American Journalist Appears in Myanmar Special Court | Voice of America - English | Jun 18 09:07 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #TheEconomist #PressFreedom #hk ☞ Hong Kong’s liberal media are under pressure https://www.economist.com/china/2021/06/19/hong-kongs-liberal-media-are-under-pressure | Jun 18 09:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hong Kong’s liberal media are under pressure | The Economist | Jun 18 09:08 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #BroadbandBreakfast #Internet ☞ Congress Must Prioritize Connectivity in Underserved Areas Over Higher Speeds https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2021/06/congress-must-prioritize-connectivity-in-underserved-areas-over-higher-speeds/ | Jun 18 09:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-broadbandbreakfast.com | Congress Must Prioritize Connectivity in Underserved Areas Over Higher Speeds : Broadband Breakfast | Jun 18 09:11 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #BBC #Copyrights ☞ #Pornhub videos: Women sue, alleging lack of consent https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57517220 | Jun 18 09:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Pornhub videos: Women sue, alleging lack of consent - BBC News | Jun 18 09:13 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | The #meduza RSS feed has not been updating since May 21th, i.e. nearly a month ago. They never reply to me when I report such issues to them (as happened before). They dig their own grave at a time they could use allies/traffic. https://meduza.io/rss2/en/all | Jun 18 09:15 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ Bill To Automatically Delete Pirated Content From Search Engines Submitted in Russia https://torrentfreak.com/bill-to-automatically-delete-pirated-content-from-search-engines-submitted-in-russia-210617/ | Jun 18 09:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bill To Automatically Delete Pirated Content From Search Engines Submitted in Russia * TorrentFreak | Jun 18 09:15 | |
| immibis | DaemonFC_phone: you're okay with the extinction of humanity due to climate change, then? | Jun 18 09:16 |
| schestowitz | [09:17] <techrights-bot/fn> ● NEWS ● #ClimateNewsNetwork #climate ☞ UK’s 'really shocking' climate record is damned https://climatenewsnetwork.net/uks-really-shocking-climate-record-is-damned/ | Jun 18 09:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-climatenewsnetwork.net | UK’s 'really shocking' climate record is damned | Climate News Network | Jun 18 09:17 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | The #SelfHosting Song • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/self-hosting-song/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/18/self-hosting-song/ | Jun 18 09:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Self-Hosting Song | Techrights | Jun 18 09:20 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Cautionary tales about outsourcing one’s systems to companies that could not care less about anyone but themselves • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/self-hosting-song/ ䷉ #Techrights #clownComputing #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/18/self-hosting-song/ | Jun 18 09:21 |
| techrights-bot/fn | 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 #IRC Proceedings: Thursday, June 17, 2021 • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/irc-log-170621/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/18/irc-log-170621/ | Jun 18 09:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Thursday, June 17, 2021 | Techrights | Jun 18 09:21 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | HELP! PLEASE!!! What #ibm did to #fedora ... https://fedoramagazine.org/write-for-fedora-magazine-please/ | Jun 18 09:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | Write for Fedora Magazine, please! - Fedora Magazine | Jun 18 09:24 | |
| immibis | <activelow> btw. the public propaganda and agitation is illegal according to §130StgB in germany, which makes me wonder why most of involved politicians and media agitators aren't jailed yet <-- you mean why people aren't jailed for saying covid is dangerous and should be stopped? | Jun 18 09:26 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Since becoming #selfhosted the #irc logs in #techrights have been longer, as the channels became even more active than before. Yesterday: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-170621.txt | Jun 18 09:26 |
| schestowitz | immibis: covid id dangerous | Jun 18 09:27 |
| schestowitz | people who say it is not should be ignored | Jun 18 09:27 |
| schestowitz | if not laughed at | Jun 18 09:27 |
| schestowitz | that should typically suffice | Jun 18 09:27 |
| schestowitz | in better educated countries that would work | Jun 18 09:27 |
| immibis | if only we'd decided to stop it 14 months ago. We could've had 14 extra months of life | Jun 18 09:28 |
| immibis | activelow appears to be one of those people who say that covid is not dangerous, and that people who promoted the "narrative" that it is dangerous should be in jail for "terrorism" | Jun 18 09:28 |
| schestowitz | whatever :-) | Jun 18 09:29 |
| immibis | NZers got to keep about 10-12 of their 14 months | Jun 18 09:29 |
| schestowitz | those people get ignored faster in IRC | Jun 18 09:29 |
| immibis | sadly, ignoring people doesn't stop them forming echo chambers, recruiting new members, and then voting | Jun 18 09:29 |
| schestowitz | Uk wants people to think they can be overconfident and back to the office once they got the jab | Jun 18 09:30 |
| schestowitz | I suppose that's partly done by people with investments in office space | Jun 18 09:30 |
| schestowitz | and who also own some of the media | Jun 18 09:30 |
| immibis | https://www.berlin.de/corona/lagebericht/ cases for berlin (click on "Zeitlicher Verlauf") | Jun 18 09:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Corona-Lagebericht - Berlin.de | Jun 18 09:30 | |
| schestowitz | NZ is fairly well educated a country, a lot like scandinavian nations | Jun 18 09:31 |
| immibis | it seems enough people have gotten jabbed for covid to plummet like a rock | Jun 18 09:31 |
| schestowitz | FB is disinfo amplifier, all across the spectrum | Jun 18 09:31 |
| immibis | however, i wish they hadn't reopened stuff in february, because maybe we could have saved 5 months | Jun 18 09:31 |
| immibis | and gotten here in march | Jun 18 09:31 |
| immibis | s/5/3/ | Jun 18 09:31 |
| schestowitz | ok, bbiab | Jun 18 09:32 |
| schestowitz | need to do exercise | Jun 18 09:32 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #EFF #police ☞ Emails from 2016 Show #Amazon Ring's Hold on the #LAPD Through Camera Giveaways https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/06/emails-show-amazon-rings-hold-lapd-through-camera-giveaways | Jun 18 09:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Emails from 2016 Show Amazon Ring's Hold on the LAPD Through Camera Giveaways | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Jun 18 09:33 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux ☞ Pico Pico Synth | HackSpace #44 https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/pico-pico-synth-hackspace-44/ | Jun 18 09:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Pico Pico Synth | HackSpace #44 - Raspberry Pi | Jun 18 09:35 | |
| Ariadne | [03:28] <immibis> if only we'd decided to stop it 14 months ago. We could've had 14 extra months of life | Jun 18 09:36 |
| Ariadne | wyoming never shutdown fully, but strict quarantine requirements were put in place for anyone entering | Jun 18 09:36 |
| Ariadne | the vaccine rollout was a total disaster tho | Jun 18 09:37 |
| Ariadne | they went from doing a decent quarantine to absolute garbage vaccine rollout | Jun 18 09:37 |
| immibis | yesterday i saw someone complaining about the mandatory testing in germany. you can't be anti-vaccines AND anti-testing unless you are simply pro-COVID | Jun 18 09:51 |
| immibis | because widespread testing is a way to stop COVID *without* vaccines | Jun 18 09:51 |
| gustaf | immibis: there's nothing really rational about antivaxx | Jun 18 09:56 |
| *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) | Jun 18 09:56 | |
| immibis | indeed | Jun 18 09:56 |
| gustaf | we had idiots protesting here in Sweden, even if we're the country with the least restrictions imainable | Jun 18 09:57 |
| immibis | they've started calling themselves "not antivax, just anti this vax" | Jun 18 09:57 |
| gustaf | stalking horse | Jun 18 09:58 |
| gustaf | got my 2nd jab appointment | Jun 18 09:58 |
| gustaf | my wife felt quite poorly after hers | Jun 18 09:58 |
| gustaf | so planning for that | Jun 18 09:58 |
| *job has quit (connection closed) | Jun 18 10:00 | |
| Ariadne | but will you have improved wifi reception | Jun 18 10:06 |
| Ariadne | to be clear widespread testing (like they did in wyoming) only works if people will actually quarantine | Jun 18 10:07 |
| Ariadne | most americans will be like | Jun 18 10:07 |
| Ariadne | muh freedoms | Jun 18 10:08 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt #Antitrust ☞ Recent Antitrust Push Is Weirdly Narrow, Pretends Telecom And Banking Don't Exist https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210615/07412446992/recent-antitrust-push-is-weirdly-narrow-pretends-telecom-banking-dont-exist.shtml | Jun 18 10:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Recent Antitrust Push Is Weirdly Narrow, Pretends Telecom And Banking Don't Exist | Techdirt | Jun 18 10:11 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #techdirt would have likely mentioned #BigOil too if it hadn't received money from the #koch brothers... | Jun 18 10:11 |
| schestowitz | [09:51] <immibis> yesterday i saw someone complaining about the mandatory testing in germany. you can't be anti-vaccines AND anti-testing unless you are simply pro-COVID | Jun 18 10:12 |
| schestowitz | or self-isolating, working from home | Jun 18 10:12 |
| schestowitz | we do about a million tests a day here | Jun 18 10:12 |
| schestowitz | we isolated ourselves 3 weeks ago | Jun 18 10:13 |
| schestowitz | we only met one friend and a bunch of young cattle | Jun 18 10:13 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt #canada #Privacy ☞ Canadian Privacy Commissioner Says #RCMP Broke The Law By Doing Business With #Clearview https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210610/12460246968/canadian-privacy-commissioner-says-rcmp-broke-law-doing-business-with-clearview.shtml | Jun 18 10:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Canadian Privacy Commissioner Says RCMP Broke The Law By Doing Business With Clearview | Techdirt | Jun 18 10:14 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #PapersPlease ☞ #DHS still evades review of #nofly orders https://papersplease.org/wp/2021/06/17/dhs-still-evades-review-of-no-fly-orders/ | Jun 18 10:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-papersplease.org | DHS still evades review of no-fly orders – Papers, Please! | Jun 18 10:15 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Dash to Panel Extension is Now Available for GNOME 40 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152413 | Jun 18 10:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Dash to Panel Extension is Now Available for GNOME 40 | Tux Machines | Jun 18 10:15 | |
| Ariadne | my understanding is that the mandatory covid testing is only for in office setting | Jun 18 10:16 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Jun 18 10:16 |
| Ariadne | and employees do have the right to decline | Jun 18 10:16 |
| Ariadne | but employers are obligated to offer | Jun 18 10:16 |
| schestowitz | they can be forced to stay home for 2 weeks | Jun 18 10:16 |
| schestowitz | all those "apps" are becoming something one can only ever lose from, but I recognise some people have no choice but to meet people at work | Jun 18 10:17 |
| schestowitz | our gov. might soon recommend making home-working the permanent standard where feasible | Jun 18 10:17 |
| schestowitz | a friend gave me his third monitor, so now we have 10 screens here, it covers anything imaginable | Jun 18 10:17 |
| schestowitz | also gives heat in winter :-) | Jun 18 10:17 |
| Ariadne | at least jitsi runs in the browser | Jun 18 10:18 |
| schestowitz | anecdote | Jun 18 10:18 |
| Ariadne | google meet lets you just dial in | Jun 18 10:18 |
| schestowitz | this friend's partner, 49 years old, collapse 3 times in the past few weeks | Jun 18 10:18 |
| schestowitz | about a month after she got the AZ jab, I think | Jun 18 10:19 |
| schestowitz | they cannot figure out what it is or how to put an end to those random falls | Jun 18 10:19 |
| schestowitz | my friend regrets taking it himself. he got it and said if he was asked again, he's say no | Jun 18 10:19 |
| Ariadne | i would stick with the mRNA based vaccines | Jun 18 10:20 |
| schestowitz | I want not AZ one | Jun 18 10:20 |
| Ariadne | they seem to be the most precise | Jun 18 10:20 |
| Ariadne | with minimal side effects | Jun 18 10:20 |
| schestowitz | for now we practice self-isolation | Jun 18 10:20 |
| Ariadne | i got both pfizer jabs back in march | Jun 18 10:20 |
| Ariadne | i’m fine | Jun 18 10:20 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #TruthOut ☞ #Montana Is Making It Harder for Transgender People to Amend Birth Certificates https://truthout.org/articles/montana-is-making-it-harder-for-transgender-people-to-amend-birth-certificates/ | Jun 18 10:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Montana Is Making It Harder for Transgender People to Amend Birth Certificates | Jun 18 10:21 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #Medicare ☞ After #SCOTUS Upholds ACA, Progressives Set Sights on Medicare for All https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/06/17/after-scotus-upholds-aca-progressives-set-sights-medicare-all | Jun 18 10:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | After SCOTUS Upholds ACA, Progressives Set Sights on Medicare for All | Common Dreams News | Jun 18 10:21 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ After Eight Years And Three Reviews Of The Case, #Indiana Supreme Court Rules Police Must Return Seized Car To Its Owner https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210610/19155846970/after-eight-years-three-reviews-case-indiana-supreme-court-rules-police-must-return-seized-car-to-owner.shtml | Jun 18 10:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-After Eight Years And Three Reviews Of The Case, Indiana Supreme Court Rules Police Must Return Seized Car To Its Owner | Techdirt | Jun 18 10:23 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ #FCC Gives ISP $8,000 To Deliver #Broadband Five Feet From Apple's $5 Billion Campus https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210615/09130146993/fcc-gives-isp-8000-to-deliver-broadband-five-feet-apples-5-billion-campus.shtml | Jun 18 10:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FCC Gives ISP $8,000 To Deliver Broadband Five Feet From Apple's $5 Billion Campus | Techdirt | Jun 18 10:24 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Outrage at #ProPublica Tax Leaks Underscores Their Importance https://fair.org/home/outrage-at-propublica-tax-leaks-underscores-their-importance/ | Jun 18 10:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fair.org | Outrage at ProPublica Tax Leaks Underscores Their Importance - FAIR | Jun 18 10:24 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | IT IS NOT ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE HATE YOU. It is all about WHO hates you and WHY. | Jun 18 10:25 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #EFF ☞ Changing Section 230 Won’t Make the Internet a Kinder, Gentler Place https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/06/changing-section-230-wont-make-internet-kinder-gentler-place | Jun 18 10:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Changing Section 230 Won’t Make the Internet a Kinder, Gentler Place | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Jun 18 10:25 | |
| gustaf | Pfizer here too | Jun 18 10:27 |
| gustaf | AZ for the oldz | Jun 18 10:27 |
| immibis | gustaf: note it seems to vary a lot. My first one was terrible (but for only one day), my second one was almost unnoticeable | Jun 18 10:27 |
| gustaf | yeah I felt nada for my first | Jun 18 10:28 |
| schestowitz | they need to test people for antibodies before choosing | Jun 18 10:28 |
| schestowitz | but some of the rollouts are 'lazy' | Jun 18 10:28 |
| immibis | by the way, regarding apps, we should not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Apps can be used for both good and evil | Jun 18 10:28 |
| schestowitz | it's a genetic term | Jun 18 10:28 |
| schestowitz | I was referring to one specific type | Jun 18 10:28 |
| immibis | even governments (gasp!) are capable of both good and evil | Jun 18 10:29 |
| schestowitz | the sort of "apps" that can get you home-bound just because a neighbour tested positive | Jun 18 10:29 |
| gustaf | that's not tech, that's policy | Jun 18 10:29 |
| schestowitz | the app enforces poor policy | Jun 18 10:29 |
| schestowitz | they should instead test you | Jun 18 10:30 |
| immibis | if the app finds you were in close proximity to someone who tests positive, aren't you only required to get a test, and isolate until your test? | Jun 18 10:30 |
| gustaf | is't covid so endemic now that that kind of contact tracing is useless? | Jun 18 10:30 |
| gustaf | bbl lunch | Jun 18 10:30 |
| schestowitz | those apps gave a false sense of confidence | Jun 18 10:30 |
| schestowitz | same for the jabs, here and there | Jun 18 10:31 |
| immibis | actually. does the app actually enforce anything at all? I thought it just told you that you might have covid | Jun 18 10:31 |
| schestowitz | people who think they are invulnerable now | Jun 18 10:31 |
| schestowitz | and then go about without masks and totally careless | Jun 18 10:31 |
| immibis | gustaf: apparently it's too much work for humans to do... which is *why* it'd be good for a system to do it | Jun 18 10:31 |
| schestowitz | immibis: I was told they can enforce based on it | Jun 18 10:31 |
| Ariadne | some apps, like the one wyoming uses, does enforce a quarantine | Jun 18 10:32 |
| immibis | also consider that quarantining too many people is better than quarantining too few | Jun 18 10:32 |
| Ariadne | during the quarantine period you have to do daily checking | Jun 18 10:32 |
| immibis | if you quarantine the right amount or too many then soon there will be no need for a quarantine at all | Jun 18 10:32 |
| Ariadne | and if you don’t then you will get an angry phone call | Jun 18 10:32 |
| schestowitz | we're losing control of it here | Jun 18 10:32 |
| schestowitz | if you go out there to town you can see why | Jun 18 10:32 |
| Ariadne | and if you still ignore it, you’ll get cops maybe | Jun 18 10:32 |
| Ariadne | idk | Jun 18 10:32 |
| Ariadne | where i live there is not even electric grid | Jun 18 10:33 |
| schestowitz | we stopped the gym membership | Jun 18 10:33 |
| immibis | berlin cases are dropping despite opening lots. vaccines work | Jun 18 10:33 |
| schestowitz | first time in decades... and our stupid Pry Minister wanted us to think it would be over or was all over a year ago ^_^ | Jun 18 10:33 |
| immibis | could have been, if people were smart | Jun 18 10:36 |
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| schestowitz | immibis: people were Smart(TM). They "GOT THE APP" | Jun 18 11:38 |
| schestowitz | watch out, coronavirsus, we have "APPS"!! | Jun 18 11:38 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #Techdirt #au ☞ #Australia Official Admits That Of Course #Murdoch Came Up With Link Tax, But Insists The Bill Is Not A Favor To News Corp. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210616/14553347005/australian-official-admits-that-course-murdoch-came-up-with-link-tax-insists-bill-is-not-favor-to-news-corp.shtml | Jun 18 11:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Australian Official Admits That Of Course Murdoch Came Up With Link Tax, But Insists The Bill Is Not A Favor To News Corp. | Techdirt | Jun 18 11:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_bison#/media/File:Corraling_buffalo_in_Wainwright_Buffalo_Park_(20752653102).jpg | Jun 18 11:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Wood bison - Wikipedia | Jun 18 11:58 | |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_bison#/media/File:Buffalo_in_the_Rain.JPG | Jun 18 11:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Wood bison - Wikipedia | Jun 18 11:58 | |
| gustaf | at least Sweden has dropped off everyone's radar as dire warning/beacon of hope | Jun 18 11:58 |
| schestowitz | https://www.pinterest.co.uk/fancypaintsy/highland-cow/ | Jun 18 12:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pinterest.co.uk | 43 Highland cow ideas | highland cow, cow, highland cattle | Jun 18 12:00 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #DevSecOps : An open source story • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152414 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 18 12:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | DevSecOps: An open source story | Tux Machines | Jun 18 12:21 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | 5 more reasons to run Kubernetes in your Linux homelab • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152415 | Jun 18 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 more reasons to run Kubernetes in your Linux homelab | Tux Machines | Jun 18 12:23 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Videomass – cross-platform GUI for FFmpeg and youtube-dl • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152416 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 18 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Videomass – cross-platform GUI for FFmpeg and youtube-dl | Tux Machines | Jun 18 12:23 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #LibreOffice 7.2 Beta1 is available for testing • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152417 | Jun 18 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 7.2 Beta1 is available for testing | Tux Machines | Jun 18 12:23 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152418 | Jun 18 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 18 12:24 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | ● NEWS ● #CounterPunch #Monopolies ☞ Break-Up Big Tech? Amazon, a Public Utility?: Keep Your Fingers Crossed https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/17/break-up-big-tech-amazon-a-public-utility-keep-your-fingers-crossed/ | Jun 18 12:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Break-Up Big Tech? Amazon, a Public Utility?: Keep Your Fingers Crossed - CounterPunch.org | Jun 18 12:25 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #HowTo Browse with #Tor to Protect Your Privacy Online ⚓ https://linuxiac.com/browse-with-tor/ ䷉ #linuxiac | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest | Jun 18 12:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxiac.com | How to Browse with Tor to Protect Your Privacy Online | Jun 18 12:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 18 12:32 | |
| immibis | schestowitz: watch out coronavirus, we have *not spreading coronavirus*. Apps are just one way to try and not spread it. | Jun 18 12:32 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #microsoftTim promotes #systemd like it's a #microsoft product (well, it is being developed using Microsoft's #proprietarySoftware prison) https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/16/systemd_249_release_candidate/ | Jun 18 12:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Systemd 249 release candidate includes better support for immutable OSes and provisioning images • The Register | Jun 18 12:36 | |
| schestowitz | immibis: version 2.1 of the app will also kill "omega" and "theta" | Jun 18 12:45 |
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| schestowitz | hi x_ | Jun 18 12:54 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152419 | Jun 18 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jun 18 12:55 | |
| techrights-ipfs-bot | ▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▄▅▆▅▆▇▆▇▇▅▇▆▂▇▆▇▆▅▄▅▆▇▆▄▆▄▅▅▄▇▅▇▁▁ avg(k/sec) 35.20 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▂▁▂▂▂▁▂▁▂▂▂█▂▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▁ avg(k/sec) 25.51▕ swarm size (avg): 270.73 ⟲ | Jun 18 12:59 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Vomitoreum is a retro-styled FPS Metroidvania that releases July 30 | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/vomitoreum-a-retro-styled-fps-metroidvania-releases-july-30 ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games | Jun 18 13:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Vomitoreum is a retro-styled FPS Metroidvania that releases July 30 | GamingOnLinux | Jun 18 13:02 | |
| immibis | ? the app doesn't kill coronavirus, it just helps to find out if you may have been exposed to it | Jun 18 13:07 |
| immibis | less exposures, more testing after exposures = less virus | Jun 18 13:07 |
| schestowitz | yes, the satire was lost somewhere | Jun 18 13:08 |
| techrights-bot/fn | More on #LibreOffice 7.2 Beta and New Changes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152417#comment-29979 | Jun 18 13:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 7.2 Beta1 is available for testing | Tux Machines | Jun 18 13:09 | |
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| techrights-bot/fn | Some people want to pass laws that force people to watch ultrasound of an embryo before abortion. But instead, how about presenting to people who order beef from the menu a photograph of the animals they kill (e.g. calf for "veal")? | Jun 18 13:11 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | #Games : Vomitoreum, Humble, Melvor Idle and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152420 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 18 13:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Vomitoreum, Humble, Melvor Idle and More | Tux Machines | Jun 18 13:14 | |
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| techrights-bot/fn | Links 18/6/2021: LibreOffice 7.2 Beta, Elementary OS 6.0 Beta 2, and Linux Mint 20.2 “Uma” Beta • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/elementary-os-6-0-beta-2/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/18/elementary-os-6-0-beta-2/ | Jun 18 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 18/6/2021: LibreOffice 7.2 Beta, Elementary OS 6.0 Beta 2, and Linux Mint 20.2 “Uma” Beta | Techrights | Jun 18 13:35 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Beta Release for Linux Mint 20.2 “Uma” (Xfce, MATE, and Cinnamon) • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152421 | Jun 18 13:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Beta Release for Linux Mint 20.2 “Uma” (Xfce, MATE, and Cinnamon) | Tux Machines | Jun 18 13:36 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #ProprietarySoftware Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152422 | Jun 18 13:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 18 13:36 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Programming Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152423 #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 18 13:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 18 13:37 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Today’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152424 | Jun 18 13:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 18 13:38 | |
| *x_ is now known as kingoffrance | Jun 18 13:40 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Another Johnny Depp? https://www.skysports.com/golf/news/12176/12328223/angel-cabrera-golfer-extradited-to-argentina-on-assault-charges | Jun 18 13:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.skysports.com | Angel Cabrera: Golfer extradited to Argentina on assault charges | Golf News | Sky Sports | Jun 18 13:40 | |
| kingoffrance | glad that crazy x_ person is gone | Jun 18 13:41 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Micron, Mouser sued in #Germany ⚓ https://www.eenewseurope.com/news/micron-mouser-sued-germany ䷉ #eenewseurope | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest | Jun 18 13:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eenewseurope.com | Micron, Mouser sued in Germany | Jun 18 13:41 | |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 18 13:43 |
| gustaf | Monsieur X_ | Jun 18 13:43 |
| immibis | <techrights-bot/fn> Some people want to pass laws that force people to watch ultrasound of an embryo before abortion. But instead, how about presenting to people who order beef from the menu a photograph of the animals they kill (e.g. calf for "veal")? | Jun 18 13:44 |
| immibis | very true. also I wish *all* they had to do was watch an ultrasound. that way it'd actually be legal in more places | Jun 18 13:44 |
| gustaf | just phase out subsidies for meat production | Jun 18 13:47 |
| gustaf | let the market decide | Jun 18 13:47 |
| immibis | the market will burn down the amazon because it has no market value | Jun 18 13:51 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #patents on rifles that kill #animals for 'sport' https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/partial-win-for-heckler-koch-in-assault-rifle-procurement-in-germany/ | Jun 18 14:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Partial win for Heckler & Koch in assault rifle procurement in Germany - JUVE Patent | Jun 18 14:22 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #freenode messed up so badly that #ipfire is almost quitting #irc altogether https://blog.ipfire.org/post/relaunching-ipfire | Jun 18 14:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.ipfire.org - Relaunching #ipfire | Jun 18 14:24 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #google paid #mozilla which created #rustlang and now Google wants to impose another #programming language, controlled to a large degree by #microsoft , on Torvalds ... in the name of "security" ... because money buys decisions https://techstory.in/google-funds-linux-project-to-fix-vulnerabilities-and-enhance-security/ see http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ | Jun 18 14:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techstory.in | Google funds Linux project to fix vulnerabilities and enhance security | Jun 18 14:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights | Jun 18 14:27 | |
| immibis | are we denying that rust has good security ideas now | Jun 18 14:30 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Nothing of value was lost, just Microsoft spyware http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152391#comment-29980 | Jun 18 14:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft loves Linux so much that packages.microsoft.com has fallen and can't get up | Tux Machines | Jun 18 14:31 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Reminder that #qt5 is ALREADY #ProprietarySoftware and #KDE needs to fork #qt or something, even before #qt6 transition https://www.qt.io/blog/commercial-lts-qt-5.15.5-released | Jun 18 14:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.qt.io | Commercial LTS Qt 5.15.5 Released | Jun 18 14:32 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #IBM should pay Remi Collet. IBM loves exploiting people. Unpaid volunteers need to get a share of IBM's fast-declining profits (if any). https://blog.remirepo.net/post/2021/06/18/PHP-version-7.4.21RC1-and-8.0.8RC1 | Jun 18 14:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.remirepo.net | PHP version 7.4.21RC1 and 8.0.8RC1 - Remi's RPM repository - Blog | Jun 18 14:33 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Adreno 660 GPU Support Landing For Linux 5.14 - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-A660-Landing ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest | Jun 18 14:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Adreno 660 GPU Support Landing For Linux 5.14 - Phoronix | Jun 18 14:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 18 14:34 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | New Linux Patch To Allow Booting From Arbitrary Non-Block Device File-Systems - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Boot-Non-BD-File-Systems ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest | Jun 18 14:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New Linux Patch To Allow Booting From Arbitrary Non-Block Device File-Systems - Phoronix | Jun 18 14:35 | |
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| techrights-bot/fn | #Mir 2.4, enhancing digital signage and smart screen development • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152425 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 18 14:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mir 2.4, enhancing digital signage and smart screen development | Tux Machines | Jun 18 14:39 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | The EPO's Virtual Injustice and Virtual ('News') Media http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/virtual-media/ #epo #patents #europe | Jun 18 14:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s Virtual Injustice and Virtual (‘News’) Media | Techrights | Jun 18 14:48 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | All #techrights videos from the month of June (so far) http://techrights.org/videos/ | Jun 18 14:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full Videos Index | Jun 18 14:49 | |
| DaemonFC | The calendar in Vista10 already includes "Juneteenth". Won't be too long before all of the public schools teach an alternate universe history about it and people forget that we got it as a federal holiday because of people looting and burning down cities over a crackhead with a rap sheet including armed robberies that was taunting the police. | Jun 18 14:54 |
| MinceR | never mind the police behaving in an unacceptable way | Jun 18 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! | Jun 18 14:56 |
| MinceR | we gave them privileges with the expectation that they would be abused against us | Jun 18 14:56 |
| MinceR | the "social contract" is a gigantic scam | Jun 18 14:56 |
| immibis | as with most libertarian ideas, that's really far off the mark. Police are necessary, and police should not be organized thugs, except against criminals | Jun 18 14:56 |
| MinceR | hobbes' "leviathan" is just a bunch of humans wearing costumes, no better than the rest of us | Jun 18 14:57 |
| MinceR | immibis: good luck finding a bunch of humans you can give a monopoly on violence and not have them turn into organized thugs | Jun 18 14:58 |
| MinceR | i suppose you could hope for them to be unorganized thugs, that is at least somewhat likely | Jun 18 14:58 |
| immibis | MinceR: power should flow from people -> government institutions -> people again | Jun 18 14:58 |
| activelow | police requires education | Jun 18 14:58 |
| schestowitz | should be do a post about rust in Linux? | Jun 18 14:58 |
| schestowitz | I'm no rust expert | Jun 18 14:58 |
| schestowitz | so on the technical merits it would be weak | Jun 18 14:58 |
| MinceR | immibis: it should, but it never does | Jun 18 14:58 |
| immibis | MinceR: most of us don't want there to be criminals, so we assign some of us to be in charge of stopping criminals to get the economy of scale | Jun 18 14:58 |
| MinceR | immibis: yeah, and it doesn't work | Jun 18 14:59 |
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| immibis | if they are corrupt we should unassign them. They are no longer allowed to be criminal stoppers. Other peopel can be the criminal stoppers | Jun 18 14:59 |
| immibis | these things seem to work at least okay-ish in the entire developed world except the US | Jun 18 14:59 |
| MinceR | no, not really | Jun 18 14:59 |
| schestowitz | with police, the worst actors get the most publicity | Jun 18 14:59 |
| activelow | problem with rust isn't rust itself, it is the compiler dependency, and with it a hard vendor lock-in introduced | Jun 18 14:59 |
| schestowitz | and that's enough to toss the whole lot under the bus | Jun 18 14:59 |
| MinceR | it doesn't work in hungary either | Jun 18 15:00 |
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| schestowitz | it's worse if the most aggressive ones also get promoted | Jun 18 15:00 |
| immibis | if the most aggressive ones get promoted the problem is systemic | Jun 18 15:00 |
| MinceR | it attracts the people who are the least fit to be there | Jun 18 15:00 |
| immibis | ultimately the people should (democratically) have the power over the police, which have power over the people individually | Jun 18 15:00 |
| immibis | If the police say go to jail, you go to jail, but if the majority say abolish the police and let that guy out, abolish the police and let that guy out | Jun 18 15:01 |
| immibis | (noting also that there are checks and balances on going to jail) | Jun 18 15:01 |
| activelow | if you are referring to police it is important to distuingish the which: USA? Germany? Russia? | Jun 18 15:02 |
| activelow | education is different. and level of crime too. | Jun 18 15:02 |
| activelow | *the region | Jun 18 15:02 |
| activelow | in USA some police require only a course of a few weeks to become policement | Jun 18 15:03 |
| immibis | people say that different regions need different social institutions, like different policing styles, but that is often not true - the reason the people are different comes down to *other* social institutions like education | Jun 18 15:03 |
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| immibis | the institutions don't need to be adapted to the people very much, we simply need the best ones everywhere | Jun 18 15:04 |
| MinceR | democracy isn't working either | Jun 18 15:05 |
| immibis | it can work. improvements are needed | Jun 18 15:05 |
| MinceR | unlikely with humans | Jun 18 15:05 |
| immibis | start with MMP voting and educated people | Jun 18 15:06 |
| techrights-bot/fn | [Meme] When the 'Court' Drops http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/meme-when-the-court-drops/ #epo #patents #kangaroocourts #europe | Jun 18 15:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] When the ‘Court’ Drops | Techrights | Jun 18 15:06 | |
| CrystalMath | democracy always requires a constitution | Jun 18 15:06 |
| CrystalMath | it can't work without guaranteed rights that cannot be voted out | Jun 18 15:06 |
| MinceR | what good is a constitution if the government ignores it | Jun 18 15:06 |
| immibis | with all due respect I'm not sure CrystalMath knows what those words mean | Jun 18 15:06 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: there's absolutely no respect in that sentence | Jun 18 15:06 |
| immibis | i suppose you think the majority wants to vote out all your rights? | Jun 18 15:07 |
| MinceR | immibis: and where do you get educated people anyway\ | Jun 18 15:07 |
| immibis | and i suppose you are specifically worried about freedom of speech and freedom of guns? | Jun 18 15:07 |
| CrystalMath | what though rights should be kinda depends on the culture | Jun 18 15:07 |
| CrystalMath | i personally don't care about guns, i don't own any | Jun 18 15:08 |
| CrystalMath | i do care about free speech | Jun 18 15:08 |
| immibis | if the needed rights depend on the culture, and culture changes, then shouldn't it be possible to change those rights? Say, democratically? | Jun 18 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/man-shot-during-attempted-gold-coast-carjacking/ | Jun 18 15:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Man shot during attempted Gold Coast carjacking | WGN-TV | Jun 18 15:08 | |
| immibis | or do you think culture never changes? | Jun 18 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, An attempted reparation was ended prematurely this morning by a FOID card holder. | Jun 18 15:08 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: i do believe in being allowed to secede and make a new constitution | Jun 18 15:09 |
| CrystalMath | kinda like a fork | Jun 18 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | mjg59 is off somewhere crying I suppose. | Jun 18 15:09 |
| immibis | that seems like a lot of work | Jun 18 15:09 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 18 15:09 |
| immibis | what's wrong with just voting for it? | Jun 18 15:09 |
| MinceR | culture will definitely change by humans becoming extinct | Jun 18 15:09 |
| schestowitz | if any other species are left | Jun 18 15:09 |
| schestowitz | rock culture | Jun 18 15:10 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: the problem is that Adolf Hitler was democratically elected; changes to culture therefore need to be slowed down by constitutions | Jun 18 15:10 |
| activelow | he wasn't | Jun 18 15:10 |
| MinceR | i think some bacteria and/or archaea will survive for a couple billions of years | Jun 18 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | We wouldn't really even need the police or courts if people could keep their hands to themselves and quit trying to take things that weren't theirs. | Jun 18 15:10 |
| schestowitz | he wasn't, indeed | Jun 18 15:10 |
| schestowitz | it's trickier than this, iirc he lacked a majority too | Jun 18 15:10 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1933_German_federal_election | Jun 18 15:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | March 1933 German federal election - Wikipedia | Jun 18 15:10 | |
| activelow | he had a majority, it wasn't democratic | Jun 18 15:10 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: the problem with Hitler was not the election system, the problem was the people who voted for him | Jun 18 15:10 |
| schestowitz | 33.09% of votes | Jun 18 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | It's pretty much that simple. People think Libertarians are crazy for some reason. What's crazy is having police to deal with crime and then not letting them deal with crime because someone has an Eighth Grade graduation picture to dig up later. | Jun 18 15:11 |
| MinceR | i think the problem is that there's no system that can help a bunch of stupid and evil beings run a civilized society | Jun 18 15:11 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: LOL you want to ignore human nature now | Jun 18 15:11 |
| schestowitz | 88.74% turnout | Jun 18 15:11 |
| immibis | MinceR: But there are systems where we can put the least stupid and least evil beings in charge | Jun 18 15:11 |
| MinceR | i guess it's time to try them, then | Jun 18 15:12 |
| schestowitz | They should do a two-pass election, where you pit the top two after the first round | Jun 18 15:12 |
| MinceR | putting the sociopaths in charge didn't work out | Jun 18 15:12 |
| schestowitz | to avoid lesser evilism | Jun 18 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | Crime obviously doesn't go away in Stand Your Ground states, but it does go down considerably when people know there's a good chance they'll get shot trying to make off with not a whole lot. | Jun 18 15:12 |
| immibis | there are other electoral systems than two-pass | Jun 18 15:12 |
| immibis | ranked choice does all the passes at once | Jun 18 15:12 |
| schestowitz | eventually germany was in rubble, iirc 8 million german dead, and maybe 60 million in total dead in eurasia | Jun 18 15:12 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: i'm sure thefts go down, and murders go up | Jun 18 15:12 |
| schestowitz | but the voters wanted "MAGA!" | Jun 18 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | When they know there's a low barrier to trying to take a cell phone, they'll go for it. It's amazing how hard these criminals work to get a cell phone when they have to split it three ways and they could make more working an hour or two at a McDonalds. | Jun 18 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | (Personal experience.) | Jun 18 15:13 |
| activelow | the man slaughter had begun with the red terror | Jun 18 15:13 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: perhaps it's not as simple as you think | Jun 18 15:13 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: A for allemand? | Jun 18 15:13 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: if they could make more money working at mcdonalds, why would they steal cellphones? Are they simply stupid? | Jun 18 15:13 |
| immibis | or, perhaps they can't actually make more money working at mcdonalds? | Jun 18 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | Pretty much. | Jun 18 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | You make almost $20 an hour working at McDonalds now. | Jun 18 15:14 |
| immibis | that's more than unemployment, right? | Jun 18 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | A Galaxy S6+ was worth maybe $80-90 as a used phone when they stole mine. It took three of them pointing a gun at me to do it. | Jun 18 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | Water finds its own level, I guess. | Jun 18 15:15 |
| immibis | if so, then why are people complaining about unemployment being more? | Jun 18 15:15 |
| immibis | have you considered that vastly fewer criminals would have guns if guns weren't so normalized and easy to get? | Jun 18 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | Because they don't want to fill out an application. | Jun 18 15:15 |
| immibis | don't you have to fill out an application to get a gun? | Jun 18 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | Slinging drugs is easier and they know they have the cops on the run because "racist". | Jun 18 15:15 |
| immibis | maybe if you had to fill out an application to get a gun, people who wouldn't fill out an application for mcdonalds also wouldn't have guns | Jun 18 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | A job application. | Jun 18 15:16 |
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| DaemonFC | It even came up as a joke in The Boondocks as one of the easiest ways to scare out the ghost of Stinkmeaner. | Jun 18 15:16 |
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| immibis | what is this racism stuff you're complaining about? | Jun 18 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | Any unfortunate truth is racist. | Jun 18 15:17 |
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| immibis | DaemonFC: that is complete nonsense | Jun 18 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | If the truth isn't racist, it's at least transphobic. | Jun 18 15:18 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: that is complete nonsense. I suspect you are only talking about specific "truths", not all truths | Jun 18 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | It shuts down the guy with a valid argument quickly. Gets them banned and deplatformed too. | Jun 18 15:18 |
| MinceR | i wonder how that works | Jun 18 15:18 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "Pointless meetings are nothing new; they’re so pervasive that surviving another meeting that should have been an email reached meme status back in the 2000’s." https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/6/hybrid-work-7-signs-meeting-should-be-email | Jun 18 15:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | Hybrid work: 7 signs that meeting should be an email | The Enterprisers Project | Jun 18 15:18 | |
| DaemonFC | Matrix.org is coming apart completely. | Jun 18 15:18 |
| MinceR | something being transphobic and outragists claiming it's transphobic are 2 different things | Jun 18 15:18 |
| immibis | someone like DaemonFC will say "Black people are genetically inferior" (which he feels is an unfortunate truth), some "libtard" will say "that's racist", and someone like DaemonFC will conclude that all unfortunate truths are racist | Jun 18 15:19 |
| MinceR | also, i'm not sure how a different election system is supposed to make people not fall for the lies of people who lie all the time for power | Jun 18 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | The only thing left there are kids trying to evade a New York public school firewall. | Jun 18 15:19 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Java EE and Jakarta EE: What IT leaders should know | The Enterprisers Project ⚓ https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/6/java-ee-and-jakarta-ee-what-it-leaders-should-know ䷉ #enterprisersproject #ibm #programming | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest | Jun 18 15:19 |
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| MinceR | or how you can change education so that on the long term it won't favor the people who are currently in power | Jun 18 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | The retards running Matrix.org have chased everyone who isn't mentally ill out. | Jun 18 15:19 |
| immibis | MinceR: what if there was a way to recall politicians at any time? | Jun 18 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | I can only speculate as to why they want a bunch of children there. | Jun 18 15:20 |
| MinceR | not sure | Jun 18 15:20 |
| immibis | i see the nazis passed an a | Jun 18 15:20 |
| MinceR | they most successful ones lie all the time | Jun 18 15:20 |
| immibis | i see the nazis passed an emergency law to speed up the government process... such laws can be valid if there is an actual emergency which requires prompt action, but everything which is done under the law MUST be reviewed afterwards | Jun 18 15:20 |
| immibis | they are not simply excuses to murder your opponents | Jun 18 15:20 |
| MinceR | and then the "emergency" will just last forever | Jun 18 15:21 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Authorino needs to #deletegithub because it is #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware in NSA PRISM and therefore it CANNOT be trusted for anything security related https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2021/06/18/authorino-making-open-source-cloud-native-api-security-simple-and-flexible | Jun 18 15:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Authorino: Making open source, cloud-native API security simple and flexible | Red Hat Developer | Jun 18 15:21 | |
| MinceR | not that it matters -- ignoring the law is standard operating procedure for all governments, afaict | Jun 18 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | Matrix is a failure, not because of the tech, but because of the people running the primary instance. | Jun 18 15:21 |
| immibis | MinceR: real emergencies do actually exist and sometimes waiting for the normal process is actually detrimental | Jun 18 15:21 |
| MinceR | which is handy for the sociopaths | Jun 18 15:22 |
| techrights-bot/fn | A discussion of this morning’s post (part 10 in a series) about the shallow media/blog coverage that followed or accompanied last month’s notorious #EPO hearing • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/virtual-media/ ䷉ #Techrights #kangaroocourt #patents | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/18/virtual-media/ | Jun 18 15:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s Virtual Injustice and Virtual (‘News’) Media | Techrights | Jun 18 15:22 | |
| MinceR | all they need to do is wait for a real emergency to turn on the state of emergency | Jun 18 15:22 |
| MinceR | and then never turn it off | Jun 18 15:22 |
| techrights-bot/fn | As the #EPO sneakily outsourced courts to American companies and parties in dispute depend on their ISP for #accesstojustice there’s a catastrophic impact on the very concept of justice or the #righttobeheard • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/meme-when-the-court-drops/ ䷉ #Techrights #europe | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techr <clipped message> | Jun 18 15:23 |
| techrights-bot/fn | ights.org/2021/06/18/meme-when-the-cour | Jun 18 15:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] When the ‘Court’ Drops | Techrights | Jun 18 15:23 | |
| immibis | you might notice that so many countries have put expiry dates on their coronavirus laws | Jun 18 15:23 |
| MinceR | not hungary, though | Jun 18 15:23 |
| immibis | and they have to keep actively extending them. And of course the covidiots spin it as "lol they're just dictators now" | Jun 18 15:23 |
| MinceR | it was just a "keep voting for it" process | Jun 18 15:23 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It's very annoying that English Meduza still hasn't fixed the feed. Can ye cast them on Twatter? | Jun 18 15:23 |
| MinceR | and then maybe not even that | Jun 18 15:23 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "If you haven't read my previous blog post on #coroutines in C++, you want to do that before reading this blog post." https://blog.blackquill.cc/c-coroutines-two-electric-boogaloo-co_await-a-qnetworkreply #cpp #programming | Jun 18 15:23 |
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| immibis | but actually the continual extension thing is a way to mitigate that. As long as coronavirus keeps going they can keep extending it. But if there's no more coronavirus there will be enough people who say "no what the fuck are you doing" | Jun 18 15:23 |
| MinceR | it would be, if we had democracy | Jun 18 15:24 |
| immibis | they can't extend it past the end of coronavirus without being blatantly corrupt | Jun 18 15:24 |
| psymin | isn't it already blatantly corrupt | Jun 18 15:24 |
| immibis | psymin: not hitler levels of corrupt | Jun 18 15:24 |
| *job has quit (connection closed) | Jun 18 15:24 | |
| MinceR | but what we actually have is a parliament dominated by the state party, no freedom of speech, no freedom of the press and no free elections | Jun 18 15:24 |
| psymin | There is corrupt and morally corrupt, and they're different | Jun 18 15:24 |
| immibis | when you say "no freedom of speech" do you mean "criticizing the government gets you jailed" or do you mean "you can't say the N word on Twitter"? | Jun 18 15:25 |
| MinceR | 18 162412 < immibis> they can't extend it past the end of coronavirus without being blatantly corrupt | Jun 18 15:25 |
| MinceR | they can extend the pandemic anyway | Jun 18 15:25 |
| MinceR | and they already did | Jun 18 15:25 |
| immibis | MinceR: the pandemic is real, it's our own fault it's kept going for the past year | Jun 18 15:25 |
| MinceR | for example, they lied about masks so people won't wear them | Jun 18 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | Anyway, now that we're having federal holidays for criminals, perhaps a Ted Bundy day or a Jeffrey Dahmer day or something. | Jun 18 15:25 |
| MinceR | they tried to force fake crap vaccines on people so people would not want to get vaccinated | Jun 18 15:25 |
| psymin | WHO coverup for Wuhan lab leak | Jun 18 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | They too were executed by the state. | Jun 18 15:26 |
| immibis | MinceR: they did no such thing, the vaccines are real vaccines | Jun 18 15:26 |
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| psymin | DaemonFC, the holiday isn't for criminals is it? | Jun 18 15:26 |
| MinceR | immibis: gamaleya's and sinopharm's vaccines were never proven safe nor effective by independent institutions | Jun 18 15:26 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: i think you precisely embody the problem with democracy - "why can't we just vote on it?" and then "the people who don't think like me are the problem and must be removed" | Jun 18 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | <psymin> DaemonFC, the holiday isn't for criminals is it? | Jun 18 15:27 |
| CrystalMath | that's why democracy = tyrrany of the majority | Jun 18 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | We all know full well where this really came from all of a sudden. | Jun 18 15:27 |
| psymin | Majority ruling over the minority is democracy | Jun 18 15:27 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: a for achtung achtung | Jun 18 15:27 |
| psymin | I'm frustrated with the politics and social strife regarding the holiday. | Jun 18 15:27 |
| CrystalMath | i believe in creating a society that is not based on violence, through the Non-Aggression Principle | Jun 18 15:27 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 18 15:27 |
| psymin | Also I get holidays off and this wasn't done quick enough so I'm sitting here at work :P | Jun 18 15:27 |
| CrystalMath | i think that's the only thing that can truly do it better | Jun 18 15:27 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: how will we create the species that can live in such a society though? | Jun 18 15:28 |
| schestowitz | failing artillerist and failed artist as president of the republic | Jun 18 15:28 |
| psymin | I like NAP | Jun 18 15:28 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: that's one of the cool things about democracy. not everyone knows the truth on everything but the thing that the most people believe tends to be the truth | Jun 18 15:28 |
| MinceR | maybe we'll develop an AI before we go extinct | Jun 18 15:28 |
| immibis | objective truth | Jun 18 15:28 |
| MinceR | immibis: wishful thinking | Jun 18 15:28 |
| psymin | Democratic Republic FTW | Jun 18 15:28 |
| MinceR | you should have asked most hungarians what they thought in 2010 | Jun 18 15:28 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: that's cool, I believe in beating you up and stealing your TV in this society. What are you gonna do about it, if not violence? Will you write a politely worded letter to my bank and ask them to compensate you from my account? | Jun 18 15:28 |
| psymin | Violence and Aggression aren't the same | Jun 18 15:29 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: the idea is to not initiate violence | Jun 18 15:29 |
| psymin | NAP doesn't forbid violence IMO | Jun 18 15:29 |
| MinceR | immibis: if you violate the NAP, expect violence to be applied against you | Jun 18 15:29 |
| psymin | "fuck around and find out" for example | Jun 18 15:29 |
| immibis | "might makes right" is natural law; human civilization is based on setting up incentive structures where the most "might" is on the side of the people who want a civilized society | Jun 18 15:29 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 18 15:29 |
| MinceR | immibis: doesn't seem to be working | Jun 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: no, they never reply to my emails | Jun 18 15:29 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: the NAP is an incentive structure | Jun 18 15:29 |
| psymin | oh crap I have email to reply to | Jun 18 15:30 |
| schestowitz | so I lose respect for their attitude | Jun 18 15:30 |
| immibis | MinceR: then find a different incentive structure. You can never get rid of "might makes right", because it's natural law, just like the sun rising in the east | Jun 18 15:30 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: no, the NAP is just an instruction without consequences for disobeying | Jun 18 15:30 |
| MinceR | immibis: seems like we can never make humans behave in a civilized way | Jun 18 15:31 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: it does have a consequence implied, since it states that coercion should not be used against people who don't initiate coercion | Jun 18 15:31 |
| immibis | MinceR: then let's nuke the world and wait for another intelligent species to evolve. You can start | Jun 18 15:31 |
| MinceR | immibis: it's already in progress | Jun 18 15:31 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: so it's like what MinceR said | Jun 18 15:31 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: if you never even find out who initiates the coercion, how do you retaliate? | Jun 18 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | They did away with holiday pay at Walmart apparently. | Jun 18 15:31 |
| MinceR | not sure whether it will actually involve nukes, but we'll see | Jun 18 15:31 |
| schestowitz | email is also more formal than a 'tweet', so trying to tweet someone whom you already sent an email to seems futile | Jun 18 15:31 |
| CrystalMath | <@MinceR> immibis: if you violate the NAP, expect violence to be applied against you | Jun 18 15:31 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: nothing is perfect | Jun 18 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | They steal from your vacation hours to pay you for Thanksgiving and Christmas. | Jun 18 15:31 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: you come home one day and your TV is gone. Now what? | Jun 18 15:32 |
| MinceR | we should try 'nothing' then :> | Jun 18 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | Let's hope that some asshole doesn't decide that Juneteenth is a "Walmart holiday". | Jun 18 15:32 |
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| CrystalMath | immibis: same thing one would do in this society now | Jun 18 15:32 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: so the libertarian society is just the current one? | Jun 18 15:32 |
| CrystalMath | no, not really, because this society is too centralized | Jun 18 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | It's just another way for Walmart to make sure you never accumulate enough PTO to actually go on vacation anywhere. | Jun 18 15:32 |
| immibis | how is the NAP any different from the current laws that exist that nobody wants to change? | Jun 18 15:33 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: but it would replace the existing structures with just decentralized replacements | Jun 18 15:33 |
| psymin | immibis, NAP isn't democratic | Jun 18 15:33 |
| immibis | also who decides what the NAP is? | Jun 18 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | When I was there, they gave you two weeks paid vacation per year and then blacked out the entire calendar pretty much and made everyone fight for what was left. | Jun 18 15:33 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: it's a kind of constution, like what psymin said | Jun 18 15:33 |
| CrystalMath | it's maximizing focusing on an idea rather than on people | Jun 18 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | So, each year I took two paid weeks off in January or something just so I wouldn't lose it. | Jun 18 15:33 |
| immibis | constitutions are centralized | Jun 18 15:33 |
| CrystalMath | yes but thankfully the NAP is very short | Jun 18 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | If you lose the hours at the end of the year, just burn all of it and at least get to stay indoors for half a month when it's fucking freezing outside. | Jun 18 15:34 |
| CrystalMath | a government that runs by this principle can be called a minarchy | Jun 18 15:34 |
| CrystalMath | a minimal government | Jun 18 15:34 |
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| psymin | CrystalMath, similar to minix? | Jun 18 15:34 |
| CrystalMath | psymin: yes kind of | Jun 18 15:34 |
| psymin | Okay, if styles of governance were operating systems .. | Jun 18 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | I had to get on this UNIX terminal that looked like it was ripped straight out of a Vault-Tec installation and put X's in days in January. | Jun 18 15:34 |
| CrystalMath | everything is handled by separate user software, even the filesystem isn't handled by the kernel | Jun 18 15:34 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: does the NAP cover edge cases? you mentioned violence, but taking a TV from your house while you're away is not violence | Jun 18 15:35 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: it can be | Jun 18 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | My boss would come around "Why the hell do you want that?". I don't.....You wouldn't let me have anything else. Remember? | Jun 18 15:35 |
| psymin | immibis, do the 10 commandments cover edge cases? | Jun 18 15:35 |
| immibis | so it's fine according to the NAP? Or does it also cover ownership and contract law? | Jun 18 15:35 |
| psymin | does anything? | Jun 18 15:35 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: if it was done without permission, then it is violence - i believe posessions to be an extension of a person | Jun 18 15:35 |
| immibis | psymin: they do not, and therefore some people think "thou shalt not steal" means landlords are illegal | Jun 18 15:35 |
| psymin | immibis, then taxes would be as well | Jun 18 15:35 |
| immibis | "i believe posessions to be an extension of a person" - well they are not | Jun 18 15:35 |
| immibis | psymin: yes, different people think "thou shalt not steal" means taxes are illegal. And other people think neither | Jun 18 15:36 |
| schestowitz | they don't die with you | Jun 18 15:36 |
| immibis | probably the only thing we can agree on is don't murder people | Jun 18 15:36 |
| schestowitz | you do not die with them, either | Jun 18 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | People act like surrounding them with crap that's designed to last about 24 months before it's obsolete and/or broken is a good way to spend money and live life. | Jun 18 15:36 |
| schestowitz | but when you die, that's it for you | Jun 18 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | And like you'll take it all with you when you go. | Jun 18 15:36 |
| CrystalMath | immibis: then why does the death penalty exist? | Jun 18 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | *themselves | Jun 18 15:36 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: or accumulate money towards this | Jun 18 15:37 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: they redefine the word murder so it excludes the death penalty :) | Jun 18 15:37 |
| schestowitz | and then realise the only way to spend that money on something unique is something like a space trip | Jun 18 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | They have Mandy singing 80s songs that were adapted for Chik-Fil-A commercials on Youtube. | Jun 18 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | Demolition Man has finally happened. | Jun 18 15:37 |
| immibis | CrystalMath: even if you want a constitution that says murder is bad, you have to clarify whether it includes abortion, death penalty, stand your ground, etc | Jun 18 15:37 |
| immibis | and someone will at some point realize your clarification is wrong, and need to update it to be more accurate to what society wants | Jun 18 15:38 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #gnu #linux supported? Of course! https://www.gamasutra.com/view/pressreleases/383775/YoYo_Games_launches_Fire_Jump__a_new_gamemaking_Drag_and_Drop_tutorial_for_GameMaker_Studio_2.php | Jun 18 15:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gamasutra - Press Releases- YoYo Games launches Fire Jump - a new game-making Drag and Drop tutorial for GameMaker Studio 2 | Jun 18 15:38 | |
| immibis | and the best known way to do that is some form of democracy | Jun 18 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | I would like to take you to Taco Bell...... "Good things grow in the valley. In the valley of the Jolly Green Giant!" | Jun 18 15:39 |
| immibis | maybe you can say it takes a 75% majority to update this, but people will oppose it for dumb political reasons, so that's bad too | Jun 18 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | They changed the Europe release to Pizza Hut, but I'm sure MinceR found the Taco Bell version floating around. | Jun 18 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | Unless Orban banned it. | Jun 18 15:40 |
| immibis | "we'll let you put stand-your-ground as an exception, if you also put abortion as an exception" | Jun 18 15:40 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #bootlin #linux training: "These courses are delivered entirely online: you don’t need any hardware to participate, as the hands-on labs are replaced by live demonstrations made by the trainer. All you need is a web browser, a good Internet connection and an audio headset!" https://bootlin.com/blog/upcoming-online-training-courses-in-2021/ | Jun 18 15:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Upcoming online training courses in 2021 - Bootlin's blog | Jun 18 15:40 | |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: indeed | Jun 18 15:40 |
| MinceR | i saw the version with "pizza hut" and hungarian dub on tv, then downloaded and watched the real thing | Jun 18 15:40 |
| MinceR | but even in the version with "pizza hut" has taco bell logos on the restaurant windows, iirc | Jun 18 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | That's just sloppy. | Jun 18 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | Do they not have Taco Bell in Europe? | Jun 18 15:41 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Many projects that needs to #deletegithub because they're entrapped in #microsoft #ProprietarySofwtare trap https://medevel.com/os-kanban-tools/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github | Jun 18 15:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medevel.com | Top 11 open-source Kanban tools for work teams in enterprises | Jun 18 15:41 | |
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| MinceR | dunno | Jun 18 15:41 |
| MinceR | it shouldn't be an issue to viewers anyway | Jun 18 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe Pizza Hut paid more there. | Jun 18 15:42 |
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| lalbornoz | https://i.imgur.com/zkMEoVo.jpeg | Jun 18 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | For a while, Taco Bell was trying to go upscale here, and I joked that Demolition Man had happened. | Jun 18 15:43 |
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| DaemonFC | But then they got a new CEO that gave up on all of the store redesigns and higher end food items and deleted most of the menu except for those 10 taco packs you eat by yourself because you're wasted. | Jun 18 15:43 |
| MinceR | weren't they both owned by yum! brands? | Jun 18 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, they were. Not sure about 1996 though. | Jun 18 15:44 |
| MinceR | and/or pepsico | Jun 18 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | In the 90s, Taco Bell tasted much different. Tasted better. | Jun 18 15:44 |
| schestowitz | seems like we already get some trolls on this network, drive-by trolls | Jun 18 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | Probably either cost cutting or the government regulations ruining things. Never can be certain. | Jun 18 15:44 |
| immibis | "taco bell sucks because of government regulations" <- definitely a troll | Jun 18 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | Well, they banned trans fats. | Jun 18 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | I'm pretty sure Taco Bell doesn't use lard in refried beans anymore. | Jun 18 15:45 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #KloudNote 10.3-inch E-reader supports WiFi, Bluetooth and cellular connectivity - CNX Software ⚓ https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/18/kloudnote-10-3-inch-e-reader-supports-wifi-bluetooth-and-cellular-connectivity/ ䷉ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware | Jun 18 15:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | KloudNote 10.3-inch E-reader supports WiFi, Bluetooth and cellular connectivity - CNX Software | Jun 18 15:45 | |
| DaemonFC | Although the death of Wild Sauce was probably their call. | Jun 18 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | The FDA has been threatening to come in and tell them how much salt you're allowed to have now. | Jun 18 15:46 |
| MinceR | maybe they replaced taco bell in the film simply because yum! brands wanted their money's worth in advertising | Jun 18 15:46 |
| MinceR | (or more) | Jun 18 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | People can't decide for themselves if they want to press "No salt, light salt, normal salt, extra salt." on the ordering kiosk (or tell an employee) I guess. | Jun 18 15:47 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Pushing #clownComputing as a #security 'solution' is truly insane (it's the cause of so many issues and a privacy/data protection catastrophe), but this is what IBM emeritus IWB is doing today https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2021/06/leveraging-cloud-computing-to-enhance-the-nations-cybersecurity.html | Jun 18 15:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.irvingwb.com | Irving Wladawsky-Berger: Leveraging Cloud Computing to Enhance the Nation’s Cybersecurity | Jun 18 15:47 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I didn't say "emails". | Jun 18 15:47 |
| XFaCE | > Pushing #clownComputing | Jun 18 15:48 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "The week has zipped by --it's Friday already-- and it's time to take a look at what the Apache community has been up to over the past week..." https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-news-round-up231 | Jun 18 15:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.apache.org | The Apache News Round-up: week ending 18 June 2021 : The Apache Software Foundation Blog | Jun 18 15:48 | |
| XFaCE | Gotta have that marketing quickfix solution | Jun 18 15:48 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: banned industrially produced trans fats according to google. those are unnatural anyway | Jun 18 15:48 |
| schestowitz | soon we'll have elephant computing | Jun 18 15:48 |
| schestowitz | like hortonworks | Jun 18 15:48 |
| schestowitz | and other "big data" stuff | Jun 18 15:48 |
| XFaCE | what made you think of elephant specifically? | Jun 18 15:48 |
| schestowitz | circus | Jun 18 15:49 |
| XFaCE | ah | Jun 18 15:49 |
| schestowitz | it's an "IT" circus | Jun 18 15:49 |
| MinceR | "anything not good for you is bad; hence, illegal" | Jun 18 15:49 |
| MinceR | immibis: "The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural." | Jun 18 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | It seemed like there were still cigarettes floating around on the black market. | Jun 18 15:50 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: then people deduce that illegal things are also bad | Jun 18 15:50 |
| immibis | MinceR: sounds like trans fats are the dark side in your analogy | Jun 18 15:50 |
| schestowitz | even when they're just bad for those who pass the laws | Jun 18 15:50 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 18 15:50 |
| schestowitz | "it is ILLEGAL to peak evidence" | Jun 18 15:51 |
| schestowitz | or crimes | Jun 18 15:51 |
| schestowitz | *leak | Jun 18 15:51 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Podman is gaining rootless overlay support | Enable Sysadmin ⚓ https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/podman-rootless-overlay ䷉ #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux | Jun 18 15:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Podman is gaining rootless overlay support | Enable Sysadmin | Jun 18 15:56 | |
| activelow | which distro do the techright people prefer? | Jun 18 15:57 |
| MinceR | probably depends on which person | Jun 18 15:58 |
| MinceR | i prefer Bedrock Linux | Jun 18 15:58 |
| MinceR | (and Void Linux among the strata for it) | Jun 18 15:58 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: Ariadne prefers Alpine (who knew), schestowitz right now prefers Debian | Jun 18 15:59 |
| XRevan86 | activelow: I prefer openSUSE and Debian. | Jun 18 15:59 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #ibm now giving VIRTUAL badges for just 'attending' VIRTUAL 'events' https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/akademy-2021 | Jun 18 15:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-badges.fedoraproject.org | Fedora Badges | Jun 18 15:59 | |
| activelow | i prefer *BSD style | Jun 18 16:00 |
| MinceR | yeah, i'm in the process of moving to OpenBSD | Jun 18 16:00 |
| activelow | gentoo and alpine too resemble bsd | Jun 18 16:00 |
| activelow | gentoo it is, with some ingredients added from *BSD | Jun 18 16:01 |
| XFaCE | <@MinceR> yeah, i'm in the process of moving to OpenBSD | Jun 18 16:01 |
| psymin | <3 gentoo | Jun 18 16:01 |
| XFaCE | doas mincer | Jun 18 16:01 |
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| lalbornoz | https://i.imgur.com/zkMEoVo.jpeg | Jun 18 16:01 |
| XFaCE | (ba dum tsh) | Jun 18 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | The FDA "user fees" were set up to reduce the federal deficit, or so they said. But now they're just a rubber stamp of approval for bad drugs and placebos that cost taxpayers many times more because Medicare and Medicaid have to buy anything that's FDA approved. | Jun 18 16:01 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Learn how locks really work in Sophie's Safecracking Simulator now on Steam | GamingOnLinux ⚓ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/learn-how-locks-really-work-in-sophies-safecracking-simulator-now-on-steam ䷉ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/18/#latest | Jun 18 16:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Learn how locks really work in Sophie's Safecracking Simulator now on Steam | GamingOnLinux | Jun 18 16:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts | Jun 18 16:01 | |
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| DaemonFC | They said they were banning the trans fats because of heart attacks. | Jun 18 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | I'm wondering what the real reason was. They let "food" contain just about anything else, from unlimited salt, to preservatives, and empty calories in general. | Jun 18 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | The sodium is a much bigger problem than trans fats ever were. | Jun 18 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | The average American eats 4-5 times as much sodium as the RDA and that causes most to walk around with high blood pressure all the time. | Jun 18 16:03 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Early coverage about Linux Mint 20.2 Beta http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152421#comment-29983 | Jun 18 16:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Beta Release for Linux Mint 20.2 “Uma” (Xfce, MATE, and Cinnamon) | Tux Machines | Jun 18 16:03 | |
| activelow | i am having difficulties with some distros when these do not fully support source based | Jun 18 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | Facebook reviewed my report of a black woman posting a picture of a black woman drinking from a mug that says "White Tears" for racism and said they didn't find anything wrong with it. | Jun 18 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder how fast they'd pull it down if it was a white person drinking from a mug that said "Black Tears". | Jun 18 16:05 |
| activelow | ok, i'll wait with my question | Jun 18 16:05 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "In this video, I'll give you a full review of the #RasPad 3 - a fun kit that turns your #RaspberryPi 4 into a tablet! Complete with a touch-screen, stereo speakers, and even its own Linux distribution - it's quite an interesting device." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAC6azFAmwg | Jun 18 16:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The RasPad 3 - Turn your Raspberry Pi into a Tablet! (Full Review) - YouTube | Jun 18 16:06 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Kernel : Intel, Bootlin, Christoph Hellwig’s Work, and Adreno • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152427#Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 18 16:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Intel, Bootlin, Christoph Hellwig's Work, and Adreno | Tux Machines | Jun 18 16:07 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152428 | Jun 18 16:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jun 18 16:07 | |
| activelow | anyway made me wonder from the beginning how debian or rpm type distros were considered open source and/or how a user could manage to fully bootstrap a system from source with those | Jun 18 16:07 |
| activelow | such as ubuntu for example | Jun 18 16:08 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #IBM / #RedHat / #Fedora Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152429 #GNU #Linux | Jun 18 16:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 18 16:08 | |
| MinceR | they probably ship almost everything with an open source license | Jun 18 16:08 |
| MinceR | and they all have some sort of build infrastructure to turn source code + some packaging information into binary packages | Jun 18 16:08 |
| activelow | with gentoo the system can be bootstrapped beginning with creating an own cross-compiler even | Jun 18 16:08 |
| MinceR | some of them also have tools to build a package on your system | Jun 18 16:09 |
| activelow | MinceR: yes, but the buildinfrastructure isn't open or insufficient | Jun 18 16:09 |
| MinceR | dunno about that, you might want to ask them about it | Jun 18 16:09 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Ubuntu 20.10 Reaches End of Life on July 22, Here’s How to Upgrade http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152409#comment-29984 | Jun 18 16:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 20.10 (Groovy Gorilla) Will Reach End Of Life on July 22nd, 2021 | Tux Machines | Jun 18 16:09 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | Guilty Gear: Strive - Fighting at It’s Finest - Boiling Steam ⚓ https://boilingsteam.com/guilty-gear-strive-fighting-at-its-finest/ ䷉ #boilingsteam #games #gnu #linux | Jun 18 16:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | Guilty Gear: Strive - Fighting at It's Finest - Boiling Steam | Jun 18 16:11 | |
| immibis | DaemonFC: could it possibly be because metaphorical white tears are qualitatively different from metaphorical black tears? | Jun 18 16:11 |
| immibis | from what i've seen, white tears seem to mostly consist of people complaining about being called racist. and most of the complainers were, in fact, racist | Jun 18 16:12 |
| MinceR | immibis: not sure how the difference in their chemical composition would make the second example less racist | Jun 18 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | Pointing out crime statistics is apparently racist.... | Jun 18 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | You don't see any bronze statues of white people who never accomplished anything other than a string of felonies and then taunted the police. Just saying. | Jun 18 16:13 |
| immibis | MinceR: "white tears" = racists complaining about being called racist; "black tears" = people upset about being the victims of racism | Jun 18 16:14 |
| immibis | mocking racists for complaining about being called racist, does not compare to mocking people for being denied for jobs because of their race, for example | Jun 18 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | They whitewash the criminal record, which speaks for itself. | Jun 18 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | Drug dealing and armed robbery, mostly. | Jun 18 16:14 |
| MinceR | immibis: i don't see where this implications come from | Jun 18 16:15 |
| MinceR | s/is/ese/ | Jun 18 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | Like I said, if people kept their hands to themselves and didn't try to take things that don't belong to them, we wouldn't need courts much. | Jun 18 16:15 |
| immibis | MinceR: think about the nature of metaphorical white tears and the nature of metaphorical black tears, they are not the same tears, they are drastically different | Jun 18 16:15 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: anything not forbidden is allowed | Jun 18 16:16 |
| MinceR | that sounds a lot like SJW "reverse racism" bullshit | Jun 18 16:16 |
| schestowitz | not really | Jun 18 16:16 |
| schestowitz | it's the reply to them | Jun 18 16:16 |
| immibis | MinceR: reverse racism is actually something anti-SJWs invented | Jun 18 16:16 |
| schestowitz | when you claim that they're being reverse racists | Jun 18 16:17 |
| MinceR | they call it that | Jun 18 16:17 |
| MinceR | there's nothing reverse about it | Jun 18 16:17 |
| MinceR | hence the quotes | Jun 18 16:17 |
| schestowitz | for example, oversight, looking the other way if a minority says "FUCK all those OLD WHITE MAN! | Jun 18 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.sctimes.com/story/news/2020/06/03/what-we-know-fake-currency-and-george-floyds-death-minneapolis-counterfeit-police/5310999002/ | Jun 18 16:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sctimes.com | What we know about fake currency and George Floyd's death | Jun 18 16:17 | |
| immibis | MinceR: can we agree that "white tears" are mostly white people complaining about being called racist? | Jun 18 16:17 |
| schestowitz | but anyway, it's off topic | Jun 18 16:17 |
| immibis | ("tears" = complaints) | Jun 18 16:17 |
| Ariadne | i mean, yes, other people besides white people can be racist | Jun 18 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | "To Hill, the church member and resident, using fake bills is not right. But he understands why people with low incomes would use a counterfeit, especially during the COVID-19 outbreak when many have lost jobs and income. " | Jun 18 16:17 |
| MinceR | immibis: no | Jun 18 16:17 |
| schestowitz | I think it's DaemonFC's fault | Jun 18 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | For cigaretted, you know. Essentials. | Jun 18 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | *cigarettes | Jun 18 16:18 |
| MinceR | immibis: afaik tears are produced by humans of all races for the same reasons | Jun 18 16:18 |
| immibis | MinceR: you do not understand metaphor | Jun 18 16:18 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: not just humans | Jun 18 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | You know, US Dollars did used to say "To counterfeit means death.". | Jun 18 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | How ironic. | Jun 18 16:18 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: people who stole a country | Jun 18 16:19 |
| schestowitz | and killed its inhibitants | Jun 18 16:19 |
| schestowitz | I can see the logic in that | Jun 18 16:19 |
| activelow | often it isn't racism, instead eugenicist and chauvinist | Jun 18 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | The same penalty applied under British law at the time.... | Jun 18 16:19 |
| schestowitz | bottom line, people are good at not getting alone with other people | Jun 18 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | So there's that. | Jun 18 16:19 |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Security Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152430 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Jun 18 16:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jun 18 16:20 | |
| immibis | people can try to get along with other people, or they can continue insisting that black people are the real racists | Jun 18 16:20 |
| activelow | the difference between "racism" and the latter or crucial to understanding of the problem | Jun 18 16:21 |
| immibis | they can listen to what the black people are saying, or they can not | Jun 18 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | Counterfeiting was a serious problem back then. The more serious problem has usually been the government expanding the money supply to finance egregious spending levels. | Jun 18 16:21 |
| MinceR | "Good thing I have kevlar. ...Wait, do I have kevlar?" | Jun 18 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | That has the same effect as counterfeiting does in the economy. | Jun 18 16:21 |
| MinceR | immibis: you mean it's impossible for more than one group of people to be racist? or it's impossible for them to be _real_ racist, whatever that means? | Jun 18 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe they will start killing politicians for it. You hope. | Jun 18 16:21 |
| activelow | since chauvism (although defined differently on wikipedia to frame it into the ideology anglo-american "academia") isn't exclusive | Jun 18 16:22 |
| activelow | it simply translates any sense of superiority | Jun 18 16:22 |
| activelow | it simply translates to any sense of superiority | Jun 18 16:22 |
| immibis | MinceR: there are people who think black people are victims of racism, and there are people who think black poeple are the racists, and as far as I'm aware, there is no overlap | Jun 18 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | The government never wants to cover its spending with taxes, because it would expose the fact that very high taxes would be required and it would still have to stop spending increases at some point. | Jun 18 16:22 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Debian GNU / Linux: Cinnamon Desktop Future (For Now) Preserved http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152332#comment-29985 | Jun 18 16:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Akademy, Bug Triaging, Packaging Work by Norbert Preining, and Krita on Simplifying Grammar Checks for Manual | Tux Machines | Jun 18 16:22 | |
| DaemonFC | Instead, we have a blended system of taxes and inflation. | Jun 18 16:23 |
| activelow | a term i introduced is "moral chauvinism", of those he take high moral ground, similar to "Übermensch", regardless of some shallow attributes | Jun 18 16:23 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: that is another thing the left and the right can agree upon | Jun 18 16:23 |
| activelow | with their sense of "moral superiority" anything is justified | Jun 18 16:23 |
| MinceR | immibis: so by virtue of some people being racists, they've monopolized racism and now it's impossible for people of other races to be racist? | Jun 18 16:23 |
| immibis | although, instead of thinking of the government borrowing as something the government does, you should think of investors lending as a kind of voluntary-tax-with-strings | Jun 18 16:23 |
| MinceR | that's an awfully convenient delusion | Jun 18 16:23 |
| immibis | MinceR: ???? | Jun 18 16:23 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "We take a look at a #selfhosted TeamViewer alternative, give you our take on some Home Assistant drama and discuss the effects of a new crypto coin on hard drive prices." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/145352/whose-license-is-it-anyway-self-hosted-47/ | Jun 18 16:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Whose License Is It Anyway? | Self-Hosted 47 | Jupiter Broadcasting | Jun 18 16:24 | |
| DaemonFC | I bought some government bonds in Mandy's name. | Jun 18 16:24 |
| MinceR | immibis: you're claiming black people can't be racist and anyone who disagrees is racist | Jun 18 16:24 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: don't bother, keep your money in a savings account or term deposit | Jun 18 16:24 |
| activelow | chauvinist | Jun 18 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | They're technically 30 year bonds, but you can cash them out as soon as 12 months if you need to. 5 years with no penalty. | Jun 18 16:24 |
| immibis | the bank will buy bonds but they'll also use your money for things like mortgages | Jun 18 16:24 |
| immibis | which have higher return and are still considered safe | Jun 18 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | They don't pay good interest. | Jun 18 16:25 |
| immibis | MinceR: no, I did not say black people couldn't be racist. | Jun 18 16:25 |
| MinceR | i'm guessing immibis believes this to also be non-racist: "Lightfoot, who assumed office in May 2019, announced last Tuesday that she would only grant one-on-one interviews to 'black and brown' reporters to mark her two-year anniversary in office." | Jun 18 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | You can get 3.54 right now on I-Bonds. Most 5 year CDs don't even pay 1.5. | Jun 18 16:25 |
| MinceR | immibis: ah, so you're only equivocating around the issue in an effort to paint faecesbook in a positive light | Jun 18 16:25 |
| psymin | I'm gonna get 0.07 on Bonds, James Bonds. | Jun 18 16:25 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: i think you should post that other picture and see what dumbFuckBook does about it :> | Jun 18 16:26 |
| immibis | MinceR: I'm speaking in general terms. When I say "black tears" that does not refer to each and every single instance of black tears, it refers to the average, the predominant kind. Just like if you said "water is colourless" you wouldn't be referring to polluted water or ice. | Jun 18 16:26 |
| immibis | some white tears are valid and some black tears are not | Jun 18 16:26 |
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| psymin | Any reference to biological identity group followed by "tears" is likely some type of negative bias, aka "racism" | Jun 18 16:27 |
| immibis | the kind of argument that leads to people having "white tears" or "black tears" mugs is not nuanced, it is only about large-scale trends. | Jun 18 16:27 |
| activelow | "morally superior tears" | Jun 18 16:27 |
| immibis | is it racism to say that white tears are mostly just people salty about being called out for being racist? | Jun 18 16:27 |
| psymin | immibis, yes | Jun 18 16:27 |
| MinceR | immibis: maybe you should clarify that every time you refer to tears of any color | Jun 18 16:27 |
| MinceR | immibis: i'm not quite sure how that will affect pictures made and posted by others, though | Jun 18 16:28 |
| immibis | psymin: even though it's clear that "white tears" does not include, for example, the tears of the person whose child got hit by a car? | Jun 18 16:28 |
| psymin | Any reference to biological identity group followed by "tears" is likely some type of negative bias, aka "racism" | Jun 18 16:28 |
| immibis | it is a very simplified war. white people against black people and vice versa. In this race war, each side does specific stuff... | Jun 18 16:28 |
| MinceR | claiming that white people are 'salty' because they're called racist is racist because it implies that all white people are racist | Jun 18 16:29 |
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| immibis | MinceR: what if I specify it further: that the complaints *regarding the race war* which come from white people are *primarily* from racists who are salty about being called out? | Jun 18 16:30 |
| MinceR | immibis: how do you find such specifics in the aforementioned pictures? | Jun 18 16:30 |
| psymin | immibis, Do you have a goal of coming to a mutual understanding about what is true? | Jun 18 16:30 |
| immibis | MinceR: because I know the societal context of these kinds of mugs? | Jun 18 16:31 |
| MinceR | no, you're just making up shit to try to make being racist against white people acceptable | Jun 18 16:31 |
| psymin | There is an objective reality that most of us should be able to agree exists. | Jun 18 16:31 |
| immibis | do you believe the person who posted the picture was referring to all tears from all white people all the time? | Jun 18 16:32 |
| psymin | If that is our goal, to determine what is true anyway. | Jun 18 16:32 |
| activelow | recently Euro soccer broadcasted was framed into the racism narrative too | Jun 18 16:32 |
| MinceR | immibis: i doubt that would have fit in any mug | Jun 18 16:32 |
| activelow | yesterday even privileged soccer players were interviewed for their feelings, with millions of cash on their accounts suffering from racism | Jun 18 16:33 |
| activelow | *evening | Jun 18 16:33 |
| activelow | in the commercials ordinary german people are replaced with people of color | Jun 18 16:33 |
| immibis | activelow: you mean it's impossible for people with money and fame to also have problems in their lives? | Jun 18 16:34 |
| psymin | Is there an objective way to determine what is and what is not the result of racism? | Jun 18 16:34 |
| psymin | (or any sort of alleged bias / bigotry) | Jun 18 16:34 |
| activelow | immibis: i wouldn't feel less offended by being called a monkey in a soccer stadium and a banana thrown after me than having a look onto my balance sheets | Jun 18 16:34 |
| immibis | what do you mean by an objective *way*? of course we can agree that racism objectively *exists*, but it's not like racists wear big "i'm being racist" signs that light up whenever they are being racist, so identifying exactly what is racism can be difficult | Jun 18 16:34 |
| immibis | activelow: can you rephrase that sentence? | Jun 18 16:35 |
| activelow | immibis: i would feel less offended by being called a monkey in a soccer stadium and a banana thrown after me than having a look onto my balance sheets | Jun 18 16:35 |
| immibis | that's the opposite sentence | Jun 18 16:35 |
| activelow | yes, typo | Jun 18 16:36 |
| psymin | immibis, I'm not making a claim that it doesn't exist. I'm making a query about how to determine whether it presented itself in situations at all. How can we measure it in an objective manner? | Jun 18 16:36 |
| immibis | psymin: i think alas we cannot because no racism-ometer has ever been invented | Jun 18 16:37 |
| psymin | if we cannot measure it objectively, then I think it is very dangerous to litigate | Jun 18 16:37 |
| *schestowitz will be back when the channel is on topic | Jun 18 16:37 | |
| psymin | apologies | Jun 18 16:37 |
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| immibis | psymin: we can't even measure things like murder objectively | Jun 18 16:39 |
| immibis | we still somehow manage it | Jun 18 16:39 |
| psymin | immibis, is there another channel for us to have this type of discussion? | Jun 18 16:39 |
| MinceR | there's #boycottnovell-social | Jun 18 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | I just hope I win the COVID vaccine lottery so I can use the $100,000 to high tail it out of this fucking place. | Jun 18 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure I can buy a place to live in Arkansas or something. | Jun 18 16:40 |
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| DaemonFC | That reminds me.... schestowitz Did you see where the CEO of Bank of America threatened workers who don't come back to New York City with being fired or huge salary cuts if they aren't back at the office by September? | Jun 18 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | You have to threaten people to get them to move back to New York. | Jun 18 16:42 |
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| DaemonFC | If all they'll do is cut your salary, why would you come back to New York? It's not like the higher salary even buys you anything in New York because the liberals just send the cost of living through the fucking roof anyway. | Jun 18 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | So all it does is increase your federal tax bracket with the COLA. | Jun 18 16:42 |
| immibis | "liberals are the reason everything sucks" | Jun 18 16:43 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Many people still don't understand that Gulag Summer of work is being used by #google for #censorship of mailing lists and self-censorship. #gsoc | Jun 18 16:43 |
| MinceR | humans are the reason everything sucks | Jun 18 16:43 |
| immibis | if you're a nihilist, yes, otherwise you think humans have the power to make things not suck | Jun 18 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | I'd much rather live in Denver than New York City, even if it meant taking a 20% drop in salary. | Jun 18 16:43 |
| MinceR | nihilism has nothing to do with it | Jun 18 16:43 |
| MinceR | the term you're looking for is "misanthrope" | Jun 18 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | Because Democrats have made New York so expensive the 20% isn't worth it. | Jun 18 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | The entire population of New York that can get out is leaving, which means Democrats will just do what they always do. | Jun 18 16:44 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: if everything bad is the other side's fault, you should think about whether that's actually true or whether you've fallen victim to brainwashing propaganda | Jun 18 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | Raise taxes to soak whoever stays, which causes more to leave, etc. | Jun 18 16:44 |
| immibis | if everyone is leaving then how can it still be expensive? Leaving people causes rent to plummet | Jun 18 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | Wrong. | Jun 18 16:45 |
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| DaemonFC | Waukegan has lost over 11% of its population and the rent is still going up, overall. | Jun 18 16:45 |
| immibis | hmm so free markets don't work? | Jun 18 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | Well, it's not all about supply and demand, obviously. | Jun 18 16:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's off topic for here | Jun 18 16:46 |
| schestowitz | BoA | Jun 18 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | It would be worse if there were still a bunch of people here bidding things up, but the tax increases alone can keep costs going up even with less demand. | Jun 18 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | The landlords aren't going to run their business at a loss. | Jun 18 16:46 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: you were just instructed to stop talking | Jun 18 16:47 |
| *schestowitz has changed the topic to: philosophy and racism | Jun 18 16:47 | |
| Ariadne | er, wut | Jun 18 16:48 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 18 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | They like to conflate things so that the cost isn't taken on by the people who use them. They even added a surcharge for an expressway to the water bills so they wouldn't have to increase tolling. | Jun 18 16:48 |
| immibis | now that's on-topic... DaemonFC: they would run it at a loss if the alternative was running it at a bigger loss. Or they could sell. At a loss. Either way the price goes down. So why doesn't that happen? | Jun 18 16:49 |
| psymin | lol | Jun 18 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | Well, the operating expenses are a cost that's not actually negotiable. The anti-slumlord laws alone would kick in if they started skimping on upkeep too much. | Jun 18 16:50 |
| activelow | chimpanzees are known to outsmart humans with specific skills, nonetheless the supposedly "scientific" basis of such discussions is framed into a social context where specific criteria supposedly indicated inferiority | Jun 18 16:50 |
| activelow | this isn't racism, this is chauvism | Jun 18 16:50 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Does #ibm think that giving more fictional badges (like those training 'courses' it forces staff to take) will improve morale and save things? Like #freenode we've seen IBM engage in self-harm, e.g. killing off #centos https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/akademy-2021 | Jun 18 16:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-badges.fedoraproject.org | Fedora Badges | Jun 18 16:51 | |
| immibis | DaemonFC: sounds like they can either pay those costs (and operate at a loss), or sell, like I just said | Jun 18 16:51 |
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| DaemonFC | Selling assumes you have a buyer. The Democrats have chased so many people out of Illinois that there's several times as many homes on the market as usual in many areas. Tech should make it easier to leave. | Jun 18 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | The bank CEO threatening people who don't actually have to be in an office is just kind of funny, really, in how pathetic it is. | Jun 18 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | That this is the only reason you'd live in NYC and tolerate the crime and taxes. You'd lose a job that doesn't actually require you to be in an office. | Jun 18 16:52 |
| techrights-bot/fn | "In same cases bare deparsed #JSON is returned. That led to a fair amount of clutter that followed a pattern. After making a remote call via the API, I mix in a role and query the API further, before passing a list on via a Supply. I do the same operation with different operants. That’s sounds like a candidate for a multi sub." https://gfldex.wordpress.com/2021/06/18/despotting/ | Jun 18 16:53 |
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| DaemonFC | That's been how California is getting along for quite a while now. | Jun 18 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | Without cajoling the CEOs into threatening people who don't have to be there into coming back, they're toast. | Jun 18 16:54 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Homemade mechanical color TV runs on an Arduino Due | Arduino Blog ⚓ https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/18/homemade-mechanical-color-tv-runs-on-an-arduino-due/ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | Jun 18 16:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | Homemade mechanical color TV runs on an Arduino Due | Arduino Blog | Jun 18 16:56 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #Bankdata shares its results of using #Quarkus on Red Hat OpenShift Container Platform ⚓ https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/bankdata-finds-success-quarkus-red-hat-openshift ䷉ #RedHat #IBM #Java | Jun 18 16:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Bankdata shares its results of using Quarkus on Red Hat OpenShift Container Platform | Jun 18 16:57 | |
| activelow | with the typical discussions what's implied isn't racism, it is "moral superiority" by those pushing the narrative for ideological reasons | Jun 18 16:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fotoxx – Photo Editor & Large Collection Manager while Super Fast | Tux Machines | Jun 18 16:58 | |
| activelow | "black tears" are morally superior in this context, not black as such | Jun 18 16:58 |
| activelow | supposedly | Jun 18 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | colours miss the point | Jun 18 16:59 |
| schestowitz | it's like comparing distros based on wallpapers | Jun 18 16:59 |
| schestowitz | or default gtk theme | Jun 18 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | I'm amused by the fact that these banks who are publicly stating that they won't make investments in coal or oil companies are forcing people to commute and waste gas and spew CO2 everywhere so they can sit at a desk all day. | Jun 18 17:00 |
| schestowitz | the issue in the US/Canada and Europe is class | Jun 18 17:01 |
| schestowitz | you can be "white" and in the "underclass" | Jun 18 17:02 |
| schestowitz | the colour is a disraction | Jun 18 17:02 |
| schestowitz | sport, media use that | Jun 18 17:02 |
| schestowitz | you could also be African and albino | Jun 18 17:02 |
| schestowitz | though it makes eyesight really bad and sunlight dangerous | Jun 18 17:02 |
| schestowitz | let's focus on freedom | Jun 18 17:02 |
| schestowitz | not whose skin has more melanin | Jun 18 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | We saw the result of "work from home". Demand for oil dropped to the point where gas was like $1.50. | Jun 18 17:03 |
| activelow | cultural differences and ethnicity aren't void by excluding melanin enrichment | Jun 18 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | It was just ridiculous the amount of propaganda that was coming out in the media though. Stories of people making "fake commutes" to "feel normal". | Jun 18 17:03 |
| MinceR | 18 175855 < activelow> "black tears" are morally superior in this context, not black as such | Jun 18 17:03 |
| *MinceR rushes to order a bottle of black tears | Jun 18 17:03 | |
| MinceR | got to have the best stuff | Jun 18 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | "Oh here, I'll get in my car and rack up miles on it to feel normal again!" | Jun 18 17:04 |
| immibis | the association between colour and class is that past actions have tried to push people with a certain colour into a certain class, while leaving other colours alone | Jun 18 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | "I can drive in circles for two hours!" | Jun 18 17:04 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: there is always a buyer for a rented home. At a minimum, you can sell it to the tenants for $1 | Jun 18 17:05 |
| MinceR | hold your colours against the wall | Jun 18 17:05 |
| activelow | another problem with this disucssion is the following, it is an anglo-american doctrine to frame it into melanin, which wouldn't at least recognize the several different languages spoken elsewhere | Jun 18 17:05 |
| gustaf | one of the critiques of the "modern Left" is that it's substituted identity for class | Jun 18 17:05 |
| gustaf | but I really don't agree with that | Jun 18 17:05 |
| activelow | the "multi-cultural" "idealism" of anglo-american academic "intelligence" couldn't at least comprehend anymore dozens of different languages are spoken in Europe | Jun 18 17:05 |
| immibis | most "leftists" would happily start talking about class instead of race if you did | Jun 18 17:06 |
| schestowitz | gustaf: you are from sweden, right? | Jun 18 17:06 |
| schestowitz | I want to show you something about the "modern" left | Jun 18 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | https://abc7chicago.com/10805726/ | Jun 18 17:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abc7chicago.com | Rockton, IL evacuation order lifted; foam containing 'forever chemical' used against Chemtool fire - ABC7 Chicago | Jun 18 17:07 | |
| DaemonFC | Thank goodness for the government. | Jun 18 17:07 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2021/05/15/sweden-radical-student-brotherhood/ | Jun 18 17:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s War on Justice and Assault on the Law — Part 8: The Radical Student “Brotherhood” | Techrights | Jun 18 17:07 | |
| DaemonFC | "You know what would be great with this disaster? Another disaster." | Jun 18 17:07 |
| schestowitz | also http://techrights.org/2021/05/15/josefsson-strange-metamorphosis/ and http://techrights.org/2021/05/16/epo-vs-democracy/ | Jun 18 17:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s War on Justice and Assault on the Law — Part 7: Calle’s Strange Metamorphosis | Techrights | Jun 18 17:07 | |
| gustaf | schestowitz: correcy | Jun 18 17:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO’s War on Justice and Assault on the Law — Part 9: Squeezing Out the Lifeblood of Democracy? | Techrights | Jun 18 17:07 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | #mozilla and #firefox blogs have become so bloody weird. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/gary-linden-big-wave-surfer/ sometimes they even cover tech. Sometimes. | Jun 18 17:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Gary Linden, legendary surfer & Firefox fan | Jun 18 17:09 | |
| techrights-bot/fn | 14 Awesome #Arduino Clown Features You Never Knew Existed https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/18/14-awesome-arduino-cloud-features-you-never-knew-existed/ | Jun 18 17:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | 14 Awesome Arduino Cloud Features You Never Knew Existed | Jun 18 17:11 | |
| activelow | some month ago i chose to watch women's soccer, for the only reason i was interested to see their match | Jun 18 17:14 |
| activelow | after 5 minutes i turned off TV when the lecture began about "oppressive hierarchies" and unjustice | Jun 18 17:14 |
| activelow | the current male soccer national team of germany integrated several "dark eagles", i'll probably turn off for the same reason | Jun 18 17:15 |
| immibis | activelow: was it objectively uninteresting, or was it just an inconvenient truth to you? | Jun 18 17:17 |
| activelow | immibis: i wanted to watch a soccer match | Jun 18 17:17 |
| immibis | inaction and wilful ignorance can be just as bad as explicit action | Jun 18 17:18 |
| activelow | sure, i turned off | Jun 18 17:18 |
| XRevan86 | oh my, today is full of surprises | Jun 18 17:21 |
| XRevan86 | 26700 – what a pretty number | Jun 18 17:22 |
| XRevan86 | I mislooked, no real surprise, the coefficient is still ~1.5 | Jun 18 17:23 |
| immibis | maybe watching a soccer match is wilful ignorance. someone brought up the nazis earlier. What might've happened, if half the german population had protested in front of parliament, instead of watching soccer until it was too bad to ignroe | Jun 18 17:23 |
| activelow | protests? when? in 1920s/30s germans did protest with millions on the street. Unemployment. | Jun 18 17:27 |
| activelow | which is remarkable too what anglo-americans protest for nowadays when they are on the streets | Jun 18 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | I would never buy a home in Illinois. The banks, which carefully monitor these things because they're not in business to lose money, say the state's fiscal outlook is pretty much hopeless. | Jun 18 17:28 |
| immibis | activelow: are you suggesting people should not protest about things which are less serious than what they protested about in germany after the war? | Jun 18 17:28 |
| MinceR | at least they're not hungarians, whose main concern is taxing Internet access | Jun 18 17:29 |
| immibis | DaemonFC: didn't you want to live with less of a state? which is what you will get if the state government goes bankrupt? | Jun 18 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | Well, maybe they'll figure out a way to tax the people who are actually celebrating Juneteenth. | Jun 18 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | For now, all they managed to do is get them to be a smaller net loss by figuring out ways to not hold them pending all of their trials. | Jun 18 17:30 |
| techrights-bot/fn | Links 18/6/2021: Mir 2.4, ActivityWatch 0.11, Microsoft Breaks Its Own Repos • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/06/18/mir-2-4/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/18/mir-2-4/ | Jun 18 17:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 18/6/2021: Mir 2.4, ActivityWatch 0.11, Microsoft Breaks Its Own Repos | Techrights | Jun 18 17:31 | |
| activelow | immibis: first I strongly object to german history being framed into anglo-american pseudo-science. and given the high unemployment in USA today it is remarkable what they are protesting for there. | Jun 18 17:31 |
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| immibis | DaemonFC_phone: is it illegal to celebrate public holidays now? | Jun 18 17:34 |
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| techrights-bot/fn | Audiocasts/Shows: Manjaro Cutefish, Self-Hosted, RasPad 3 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152443 | Jun 18 17:35 |
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| DaemonFC_phone | Maybe they'll celebrate by helping themselves to some more property that isn't theirs. Who knows? | Jun 18 17:37 |
| schestowitz | sort of like colonists | Jun 18 17:38 |
| schestowitz | or aryans? | Jun 18 17:38 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC_phone: try to keep on topic | Jun 18 17:38 |
| DaemonFC_phone | Well, your country certainly did a lot of that. | Jun 18 17:38 |
| DaemonFC_phone | How'd that work out? | Jun 18 17:38 |
| DaemonFC_phone | More ambitious than the Nazis at various points. | Jun 18 17:39 |
| DaemonFC_phone | The Canadians apparently have an entire high school sitting on top of dead indigenous people that they slaughtered. Was in the news the other day. | Jun 18 17:40 |
| DaemonFC_phone | There's an endless history of people wanting things and then taking them by force. It's considered savagery at this point, at least for white people when we're talking about something that happened 200 years ago. | Jun 18 17:43 |
| immibis | and yet you claim that if only we'd all just sign this pact, it wouldn't happen any more | Jun 18 17:43 |
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| DaemonFC_phone | Unenforced laws are as good as no law. Why do they loot? If anyone goes on trial it'll be the police that tried to deal with it. | Jun 18 17:44 |
| DaemonFC_phone | Chicago was dangerous in the 80s because the cops couldn't keep up with the crime. It's dangerous now because there are few cops and mjg59's worldview has prevented them from even trying anyway. | Jun 18 17:46 |
| DaemonFC_phone | Best thing to do is just stay out. It's a tourist trap for some reason even though something bad usually happens even if you just go sightseeing for a day. | Jun 18 17:47 |
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| immibis | maybe the right solution is to solve the causes of crime instead of throwing more resources at trying to prosecute it all | Jun 18 17:48 |
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| MinceR | we're doing that, with global warming | Jun 18 17:49 |
| immibis | why are humans so stupid? | Jun 18 17:49 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Jun 18 17:49 |
| psymin | I'm so stupid because of emotions | Jun 18 17:50 |
| immibis | what do they put in New Zealand's water to help them come together to fight COVID? do the sheep hormones rub off and make everyone sheeple? is it the fluoride? | Jun 18 17:50 |
| MinceR | do they fluoridate the water over there? | Jun 18 17:50 |
| immibis | of course | Jun 18 17:50 |
| MinceR | poor people | Jun 18 17:50 |
| MinceR | they do that in the usa too, afaik | Jun 18 17:50 |
| immibis | hmm. are you sure you're not one of the humans who is so stupid? | Jun 18 17:51 |
| MinceR | i'm probably stupid in a different way | Jun 18 17:51 |
| MinceR | who cares, i, too, will be dead | Jun 18 17:51 |
| immibis | "fluoride bad" seems to be a mainstream kind of stupid imo | Jun 18 17:51 |
| MinceR | i mean fluoride isn't "bad", but it seems much smarter to put it in toothpaste | Jun 18 17:51 |
| MinceR | that way you apply it where it is needed and don't swallow much of it | Jun 18 17:52 |
| immibis | maybe the idea is to help people who don't brush their teeth enough | Jun 18 17:52 |
| DaemonFC_phone | Maybe they should brush more. | Jun 18 17:52 |
| MinceR | "can anyone help you?" | Jun 18 17:52 |
| MinceR | they could try electric toothbrushes | Jun 18 17:53 |
| immibis | for the sake of argument let's assume that fluoride does turn humans into sheeple... well, being sheeple helped them beat covid. is it necessarily a bad thing? | Jun 18 17:54 |
| MinceR | i don't think NZ-ers did well against the plague because they were "sheeple" | Jun 18 17:54 |
| immibis | they absolutely did, that's the only way they were able to stop local outbreaks | Jun 18 17:56 |
| immibis | one of the harshest lockdowns | Jun 18 17:56 |
| psymin | being on an island is a pretty harsh and effective lockdown | Jun 18 17:56 |
| MinceR | is it possible to have an effective lockdown among people who can think for themselves? | Jun 18 17:56 |
| psymin | Prisoners are on effective lockdown and often have a diverse set of thoughts. | Jun 18 17:57 |
| immibis | MinceR: if they can think for themselves they should mostly come to the same conclusion, that it's best to stop covid immediately and then live like normal again | Jun 18 18:01 |
| MinceR | immibis: right | Jun 18 18:01 |
| immibis | if they can't think for themselves, they should just keep living like normal until 1% of them get sick and die | Jun 18 18:02 |
| activelow | if the research result of curevac germany is confirmed this will have severe legal implications | Jun 18 18:08 |
| activelow | such as vaccines which didn't meet criteria for approval had been lobbied for and advertised | Jun 18 18:09 |
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| lalbornoz | YOUR SHIT CHATS MAKE ME SO MAD I PUNCH HOLES IN MY WALL!!! THATS Y I MOVED 2 IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #MIDIPIX https://i.imgur.com/zkMEoVo.jpeg | Jun 18 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | three times today, same username | Jun 18 18:16 |
| MinceR | right, might as well try k-lining the nick | Jun 18 18:16 |
| XRevan86 | What is even that picture? | Jun 18 18:16 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Jun 18 18:16 |
| schestowitz | done | Jun 18 18:16 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: doesn't even matter | Jun 18 18:17 |
| schestowitz | that got spammer in all our channels | Jun 18 18:17 |
| schestowitz | *spammed | Jun 18 18:17 |
| schestowitz | it's even worse than the chats about race | Jun 18 18:17 |
| schestowitz | those types of spammers were rare in freenode (they would weed them out mostly, until years ago when they defamed staff), but in dalnet days it was common... 1990s | Jun 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | I guess being noticed like that is a 'compliment', if not a nuisance | Jun 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | I noticed that almost 100% of the chat here is from this network, rarely from FN | Jun 18 18:18 |
| immibis | activelow: doesn't that just mean their particular vaccine didn't work terribly well? covid cases are dropping like a stone despite most things being open, so the evidence is right there | Jun 18 18:18 |
| schestowitz | which still has 54 users online for this channel | Jun 18 18:18 |
| immibis | that the covid vaccines in general do work | Jun 18 18:19 |
| schestowitz | https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ | Jun 18 18:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ ) | Jun 18 18:19 | |
| schestowitz | 10.5k new cases, 11k+ yesterday, so this particular one (AZ) might not be all that effective, or maybe they will blame "mutant' or "variant" or reckless people | Jun 18 18:20 |
| DaemonFC_phone | Few wear masks in Waukegan now. No spike. | Jun 18 18:21 |
| DaemonFC_phone | Of course, it's pretty ghetto here and Waukegan got bad early on, way ahead of the vaccine. | Jun 18 18:22 |
| DaemonFC_phone | Herd immunity at this point. | Jun 18 18:22 |
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| immibis | https://www.berlin.de/corona/lagebericht/ (tab "zeitlicher verlauf") - maybe that will start going up again like the UK, although people here are getting a mix of vaccines | Jun 18 18:31 |
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| activelow | immibis: a vaccine developed by leading german researcher was confirmed not meeting the criteria for approval | Jun 18 18:36 |
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| activelow | which raises the question how competitors could have arrived at an approval with their "research", and why media apparatus aggitated for injecting this | Jun 18 18:37 |
| activelow | https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germanys-curevac-vaccine-only-47-effective/a-57929473 | Jun 18 18:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Coronavirus: Germany′s CureVac vaccine only 47% effective | News | DW | 16.06.2021 | Jun 18 18:39 | |
| activelow | https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germanys-curevac-vaccine-only-47-effective/a-57929473 | Jun 18 18:39 |
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| activelow | https://www.dw.com/en/curevacs-covid-vaccine-efficacy-a-blow-to-tesla-backed-firms-mrna-ambitions/a-57937632 | Jun 18 18:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CureVac′s COVID vaccine efficacy a blow to Tesla-backed firm′s mRNA ambitions | Business| Economy and finance news from a German perspective | DW | 17.06.2021 | Jun 18 18:39 | |
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| immibis | activelow: luck? | Jun 18 19:02 |
| activelow | criminal fraud and scam | Jun 18 19:05 |
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| immibis | activelow: what is your basis for assuming that? | Jun 18 19:16 |
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| activelow | it was an assumption when the pharma suppliers began marketing with nonsense data, implying a trivial percentage value showed efficacy. | Jun 18 19:21 |
| activelow | which is similar to asking for the time and anyone answered my thermometer showed 23°C at night, that was nonsense already when the propaganda campaign for the vaccines began | Jun 18 19:22 |
| activelow | and now finally a leading german research institution which was rarely mentioned before honestly confirmered their vaccine wasn't ready for approval | Jun 18 19:23 |
| activelow | while the competitors already milked the cash cow at stock exchanges and tax payers money | Jun 18 19:24 |
| activelow | *confirmed | Jun 18 19:33 |
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| immibis | so it is criminal fraud and scam because you started from the assumption that it's criminal fraud and scam... basically... | Jun 18 19:46 |
| activelow | pardon? | Jun 18 19:47 |
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| activelow | it isn't me who presented bullshit data of those who claim their vaccines were approved, and it is leading german research which recently presented theirs contradicting preceeding findings of the competition | Jun 18 19:53 |
| activelow | either german leading researchers are lying which had nothing to gain from announcing their research results, or it is those lying who already extorted billions of cash at stock exchanges and from tax payers | Jun 18 19:54 |
| activelow | *who | Jun 18 19:54 |
| activelow | in any case agitating for potentially harmfull vaccines which do not meet criteria for approval is a capital crime, particularly since when news and media began discussing minors should be injected with experimental vaccines | Jun 18 19:55 |
| MinceR | (no audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/06/14/1b46450c6b0d7299.mp4 | Jun 18 20:03 |
| immibis | weren't they testing a different vaccine? | Jun 18 20:27 |
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| activelow | different types of vaccines were tested for the *same* virus, and german leading research presented results finally which contradicts the scammers' ones. | Jun 18 20:33 |
| immibis | everything i'm seeing says the curevac trial was only for curevac | Jun 18 20:36 |
| immibis | including the trial protocol document | Jun 18 20:37 |
| activelow | yes, and the competitor scammers' results now can be verified against the findings of curavec! | Jun 18 20:38 |
| activelow | since curevac presented results an approval was NOT possible i am curious how those scammers could have arrived at different conclusions to extort billions of cash ast stock exchange and from tax payers. | Jun 18 20:39 |
| activelow | and i would be curious too how EU could approve the research results of criminal scammers. | Jun 18 20:40 |
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| activelow | even worse, vaccines which were advertised with potentially fraudulent data had already been injected. | Jun 18 20:43 |
| activelow | and news and media agitators had supported this with their propaganda lies. | Jun 18 20:44 |
| immibis | activelow: but... curevax is a *different vax* | Jun 18 20:46 |
| immibis | this is like saying, because chrome uses 600GB of RAM, it disproves microsoft's result that edge doesn't | Jun 18 20:46 |
| activelow | it is the the mRNA type similar to moderna and biontec, and the leading researcher in this field is curevac (Tübingen University), while moderna and biontec are "startups" | Jun 18 20:47 |
| immibis | activelow: edge and chrome are both the web browser type | Jun 18 20:48 |
| immibis | or specifically, the type that displays HTML and executes javascript | Jun 18 20:48 |
| activelow | and both are crap | Jun 18 20:48 |
| immibis | but the test result for one does not apply to the other | Jun 18 20:49 |
| activelow | biontec startup founders even received order of merit from german president, as a reward for their "research" and valuable service for the society as "immigrants" | Jun 18 20:52 |
| activelow | and now curevac presents their results: insufficient for approval. | Jun 18 20:56 |
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| MinceR | mRNA vaccines are not identical to each other | Jun 18 21:01 |
| MinceR | afaiu to trigger an immune response they include an adjuvant which depends on which vaccine it is | Jun 18 21:02 |
| MinceR | the dosage can also vary | Jun 18 21:02 |
| Ariadne | 20:00 [Freenode] -!- ERROR Closing link: (~kaniini@2602:fd37:1:0:6697:bad:bad:bad) [G-lined: [tau] You're not welcome here. (ID: O9JY53PX9X)] | Jun 18 21:02 |
| Ariadne | i see | Jun 18 21:02 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: what is this big FOSS crap about | Jun 18 21:02 |
| Ariadne | why does andrew have a beef with debian | Jun 18 21:02 |
| MinceR | and presumably the process by which the lipid bilayer bits containing the mRNA can also vary | Jun 18 21:03 |
| activelow | the research results of those who fraudulently scammed 95% success must be verified against curevac research findings. | Jun 18 21:04 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: what it refers to is the political influence and control some people have in the FOSS world, that they're using to push other left-wing agendas instead | Jun 18 21:04 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i think... | Jun 18 21:04 |
| CrystalMath | that's my understanding | Jun 18 21:04 |
| Ariadne | debian literally votes on all statements it publishes | Jun 18 21:04 |
| Ariadne | why was i g-lined from new freenode? | Jun 18 21:05 |
| CrystalMath | right but didn't they take away some of their member's voting rights? | Jun 18 21:05 |
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| Ariadne | no? | Jun 18 21:05 |
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| CrystalMath | Ariadne: they removed pocock | Jun 18 21:05 |
| Ariadne | yes | Jun 18 21:05 |
| CrystalMath | see? | Jun 18 21:05 |
| Ariadne | because pocock was going around doxing people | Jun 18 21:05 |
| Ariadne | which he continues to do | Jun 18 21:05 |
| Ariadne | at debian.community | Jun 18 21:05 |
| Ariadne | being part of a project is a social contract | Jun 18 21:06 |
| Ariadne | if you violate that contract, it is not surprising that you are removed from participation | Jun 18 21:06 |
| CrystalMath | i've heard other stories of right-wing people being excluded from debian | Jun 18 21:09 |
| MinceR | s/mRNA/& are formed/ | Jun 18 21:11 |
| Ariadne | okay | Jun 18 21:11 |
| Ariadne | what is he planning to do to debian? | Jun 18 21:11 |
| CrystalMath | nothing, he suggests forking it maybe, but we already did that :D | Jun 18 21:12 |
| CrystalMath | Devuan <3 | Jun 18 21:12 |
| MinceR | i don't think he gets to do anything to debian | Jun 18 21:12 |
| MinceR | he can't even buy it because ibm already owns debian and has more money | Jun 18 21:12 |
| MinceR | instead of free speech, freenode now has free g-lines after speech, i guess | Jun 18 21:13 |
| MinceR | (sometimes z-lines though, maybe even gz-lines) | Jun 18 21:13 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: it wasn't because of something Ariadne said | Jun 18 21:13 |
| CrystalMath | apparently Araidne is evading a ban already | Jun 18 21:13 |
| CrystalMath | *Ariadne | Jun 18 21:13 |
| Ariadne | not on new freenode | Jun 18 21:13 |
| Ariadne | but if he wishes for me to continue banevading | Jun 18 21:14 |
| Ariadne | they still havent figured out how CIDR works | Jun 18 21:14 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 18 21:14 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: and what was that ban placed for? | Jun 18 21:14 |
| CrystalMath | i don't know | Jun 18 21:15 |
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| Ariadne | hmm, unbanned | Jun 18 21:15 |
| immibis | activelow: how would you verify an edge performance test against a chrome performance test? | Jun 18 21:19 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: well if i am evading a ban, they deleted it | Jun 18 21:20 |
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| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i don't really know | Jun 18 21:20 |
| activelow | immibis: the methodology has to be checked, who complied with scientific standards and methods and who didn't | Jun 18 21:21 |
| activelow | i am sure not only had curevac competitor scammers to answer alot of questions, i am also sure they find themselves in jail soon together with news and media agitators who supported injecting experimental vaccines to milk the cash cow at stock exchange and tax payers | Jun 18 21:22 |
| immibis | activelow: You are really reaching, you are clutching at straws to prove they are corrupt, when they are not | Jun 18 21:27 |
| immibis | there is no actual evidence showing they are corrupt. Facts don't care about your feelings | Jun 18 21:28 |
| activelow | i didn't say curevac was corrupt! i say their competitors are criminals. | Jun 18 21:28 |
| immibis | activelow: you are presenting false evidence to try and show their competitors are corrupt. The evidence you are presenting does not show that. | Jun 18 21:29 |
| activelow | https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germanys-curevac-vaccine-only-47-effective/a-57929473 | Jun 18 21:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Coronavirus: Germany′s CureVac vaccine only 47% effective | News | DW | 16.06.2021 | Jun 18 21:30 | |
| immibis | Yes, curevac is a failure. What's this got to do with all the other vaccines, that aren't curevac? | Jun 18 21:31 |
| immibis | maybe they can improve it to treat variants, and it will be better. Or maybe they can't | Jun 18 21:32 |
| activelow | News | Jun 18 21:32 |
| activelow | Coronavirus: Germany's CureVac vaccine only 47% effective | Jun 18 21:32 |
| activelow | The German pharma company cited "the unprecedented context of at least 13 variants" in explaining why its vaccine fell short of expectations in an interim analysis. | Jun 18 21:32 |
| immibis | repeating the headline doesn't make it say anything you want | Jun 18 21:32 |
| immibis | clearly the other vaccines used in germany are doing better than 47%, or else coronavirus would still be going up | Jun 18 21:33 |
| immibis | you are just telling us that curevac have an excuse for their failure | Jun 18 21:33 |
| activelow | it isn't only curevac competitors who belong into jail, right besides them are EU officials who approved experimental vaccines, news and media staff, and german president granting the order of merit for this | Jun 18 21:33 |
| activelow | curevac considers it an "interim analysis" even, meanwhile competitors reached final approval already. how? | Jun 18 21:35 |
| Ariadne | 20:33 <root> O_o | Jun 18 21:37 |
| Ariadne | 20:33 <root> I'm confused | Jun 18 21:37 |
| Ariadne | 20:34 <kaniini> did you not say you were going to do something to debian | Jun 18 21:37 |
| Ariadne | 20:34 <kaniini> and that debian doesn't even know its coming | Jun 18 21:37 |
| Ariadne | 20:34 <root> they know | Jun 18 21:37 |
| Ariadne | 20:34 <kaniini> well what is it | Jun 18 21:37 |
| Ariadne | 20:34 <root> they know what they did also | Jun 18 21:37 |
| Ariadne | 20:34 <root> :-) | Jun 18 21:37 |
| Ariadne | 20:35 <kaniini> what did they do | Jun 18 21:37 |
| Ariadne | 20:35 <root> Thye know | Jun 18 21:37 |
| Ariadne | 20:35 <kaniini> andrew are you really going to fuck them over because of that announcement on debian-devel-announce ._. | Jun 18 21:37 |
| psymin | I wonder what was done | Jun 18 21:38 |
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| XRevan86 | Ariadne: I am intrigued. | Jun 18 21:40 |
| Ariadne | XRevan86: i am worried | Jun 18 21:40 |
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| MinceR | why | Jun 18 21:45 |
| MinceR | what do you think rasengan can do to debian? | Jun 18 21:45 |
| MinceR | especially after what debian has already done to itself (or what the CTTE did to debian, etc.) | Jun 18 21:46 |
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| XRevan86 | Ariadne: Why though? rasengan is not exactly influential at this point. | Jun 18 21:54 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: i dunno, thats what worries me | Jun 18 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | And I wouldn't be surprised if he is delusional about it too. | Jun 18 21:54 |
| Ariadne | 20:52 <root> wut | Jun 18 21:55 |
| Ariadne | 20:52 <root> are you talking about | Jun 18 21:55 |
| Ariadne | 20:52 <root> im going to save debian too. | Jun 18 21:55 |
| Ariadne | 20:52 <root> i used to love debian sooo sooo much you have no idea. | Jun 18 21:55 |
| Ariadne | 20:53 <root> im sure i was like one of the first 10000 in the world to install it and use it etc. | Jun 18 21:55 |
| Ariadne | 20:53 <kaniini> andrew ._. | Jun 18 21:55 |
| Ariadne | 20:53 <kaniini> save them how? | Jun 18 21:55 |
| Ariadne | 20:53 <kaniini> why do they need saving? | Jun 18 21:55 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe Debian should be more like macOS, as the latter clearly has nothing wrong with. | Jun 18 21:56 |
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| Ariadne | well, whatever | Jun 18 22:01 |
| Ariadne | i let jonathan carter (DPL) know that andrew is making weird threats about debian | Jun 18 22:01 |
| Ariadne | its his problem now :D | Jun 18 22:01 |
| CrystalMath | it would be awesome if Andrew Lee took control of debian and removed systemd | Jun 18 22:02 |
| psymin | hehe | Jun 18 22:02 |
| Ariadne | i think we all know that isnt going to happen | Jun 18 22:02 |
| CrystalMath | but it would be awesome | Jun 18 22:02 |
| psymin | bump the version of systemd to systeme | Jun 18 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: And made it more like Elementary OS too | Jun 18 22:03 |
| MinceR | lol @ macos | Jun 18 22:03 |
| MinceR | it would be awesome indeed | Jun 18 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | And without any packages of the projected that crossed Andrew. | Jun 18 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | * projects | Jun 18 22:04 |
| CrystalMath | yeah, remove irccloud from debian : | Jun 18 22:04 |
| CrystalMath | oh wait, it's proprietary | Jun 18 22:04 |
| psymin | I wonder how much of Andrew's assets were tied up in taking over freenode | Jun 18 22:04 |
| psymin | seems a shame to take control of something and then make it lose all value | Jun 18 22:05 |
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| saint_dogbert/fn | If he is as well connected and financed as he leads people to believe, then the whole thing could come crashing down and it would not affect his worth | Jun 18 22:06 |
| XRevan86 | There are… reputational damages. | Jun 18 22:07 |
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| XRevan86 | And I don't only mean that he made a lot of enemies. | Jun 18 22:08 |
| Ariadne | people are boycotting shells.com now | Jun 18 22:08 |
| Ariadne | haha | Jun 18 22:08 |
| XRevan86 | But also that it doesn't look pretty to any investor how he handled this assets. | Jun 18 22:08 |
| psymin | he should build a new freenode, with blackjack | Jun 18 22:09 |
| MinceR | didn't he already do that? | Jun 18 22:09 |
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| gustaf | removing systemd isn't as easy as dropping a services database | Jun 18 22:13 |
| MinceR | depends on whether you want the resulting thing to function :> | Jun 18 22:13 |
| activelow | dbus is even more challenging, if a functional graphical desktop shall remain | Jun 18 22:13 |
| XRevan86 | gustaf: K-lining postgresql from the repos is however :) | Jun 18 22:14 |
| activelow | removing dbus locks out the entire gnome and kde desktop except for their widget toolkits, some packages require dirty patching, accessibility features are gone without dbus too | Jun 18 22:15 |
| MinceR | oh well, i can live without gnome and kde :> | Jun 18 22:19 |
| activelow | webbrowser is a show stopper, couldn't untangle dbus from epiphany yet, mozilla went with rust which is blacklisted here too, so i am stuck with an old mozilla seamonkey which i am not at least allowed to distribute due to mozilla license conditions | Jun 18 22:20 |
| MinceR | :( | Jun 18 22:20 |
| MinceR | what about blink-based browsers? | Jun 18 22:20 |
| activelow | any chromium based are blacklisted | Jun 18 22:21 |
| MinceR | why? | Jun 18 22:21 |
| activelow | i am willing to discuss this, yet the decision is made and wont be reverted | Jun 18 22:21 |
| activelow | and it is related to design goals with the system i am maintaining | Jun 18 22:22 |
| DaemonFC_phone | All web browsers have turned into big pigs. | Jun 18 22:22 |
| MinceR | that's understandable but it's not that closely tied to the scenario of rasengan taking over debian | Jun 18 22:23 |
| activelow | sorry, systemd triggers me, didn't mean to interrupt | Jun 18 22:23 |
| MinceR | :) | Jun 18 22:23 |
| DaemonFC_phone | Debian gave up its rights to improve Firefox at all when it agreed to the Mozilla trademark conditions. | Jun 18 22:23 |
| DaemonFC_phone | For some unimportant branding. | Jun 18 22:24 |
| psymin | those icy weasels | Jun 18 22:24 |
| DaemonFC_phone | Patching out some undesirable parts would still be easy, but Mozilla wouldn't approve the precious trademarks. | Jun 18 22:24 |
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| psymin | Mozilla, and really any corp that plays with FOSS with trademarks, should have an official name for the non-official versions. | Jun 18 22:26 |
| psymin | I think? | Jun 18 22:26 |
| MinceR | maybe people should stop pretending that it's still free software when the method used to impede people in making changes happened to be trademark | Jun 18 22:27 |
| psymin | The license makes it free or non-free, not the trademark | Jun 18 22:28 |
| psymin | is there a license that forbids using trademarks? | Jun 18 22:28 |
| MinceR | no, abiding by the FSD makes it free or non-free | Jun 18 22:28 |
| activelow | i tried to explain to the fsf people other criteria exist which transform software into non-free | Jun 18 22:28 |
| MinceR | the thing that depends on license only is called "open source" and it's dead | Jun 18 22:28 |
| MinceR | FSF people used to understand this | Jun 18 22:29 |
| psymin | activelow, which criteria? | Jun 18 22:29 |
| MinceR | remember their campaign against mono | Jun 18 22:29 |
| activelow | bloatware, vendor lock-in, and impossibility to compile the stuff on power-efficient hardware (again vendor lock-in to hardware suppliers) | Jun 18 22:29 |
| psymin | activelow, can you give an example of a project with a free software license that has vendor lock in? | Jun 18 22:30 |
| activelow | rust language is vendor lock-in -> blacklisted | Jun 18 22:30 |
| psymin | I suppose XBMC had vendor lock in for a while | Jun 18 22:30 |
| activelow | gcc and kernel bloated beyond repair and vendor lock-in to hardware suppliers -> non-free | Jun 18 22:30 |
| psymin | activelow, can you briefly summarize the vendor lock in regarding rust? | Jun 18 22:30 |
| activelow | yes psymin, the compiler | Jun 18 22:30 |
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| activelow | in conjunction with mozilla trademark policies | Jun 18 22:31 |
| psymin | looks like rust is Apache and MIT | Jun 18 22:31 |
| activelow | and even if fsf/gnu decided to implement rust frontend with gcc it is a waste of resources and development efforts | Jun 18 22:31 |
| gustaf | activelow: what system is this? | Jun 18 22:31 |
| activelow | gustaf: unnamed, i am working with gentoo, custom hardened profile maintained for amd64, and aarch64 since recently | Jun 18 22:32 |
| gustaf | ok | Jun 18 22:32 |
| psymin | librsvg depends on rust, but I'm using it on a systemw w/o mozilla stuff | Jun 18 22:32 |
| psymin | activelow, nice! | Jun 18 22:33 |
| psymin | I assume mozilla is the vendor that rust locks you into? | Jun 18 22:33 |
| activelow | and llvm/clang (apple?) | Jun 18 22:33 |
| activelow | i will not accept dev-lang/rust here and anything which depends on it | Jun 18 22:33 |
| activelow | for various reasons | Jun 18 22:34 |
| psymin | activelow, I don't blame you. I wish I could take the same stance. | Jun 18 22:34 |
| psymin | rust doesn't like to compile | Jun 18 22:34 |
| psymin | or it takes more ram to compile than I'm often willing to give it or something? | Jun 18 22:34 |
| activelow | i don't blame anyone either, and my grieve with systemd or rust isn't that it is deployed with other distros for freedom of choice | Jun 18 22:34 |
| activelow | my grieve with is such cannot simply be removed so i can keep a clean system | Jun 18 22:35 |
| psymin | ^ | Jun 18 22:35 |
| psymin | free software doesn't mean it is worth using, just that it is free :) | Jun 18 22:35 |
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| psymin | For a while I deluded myself into think that the CPAL was "free enough" | Jun 18 22:36 |
| psymin | CPAL is more restrictive than MPL (and based on it) | Jun 18 22:37 |
| activelow | effectively no free system exists anymore, due to required tooling for circuit design which is fully proprietary (Xilinx, Altera etc) | Jun 18 22:37 |
| activelow | i couldn't easily flash an FPGA from an open circuit design without proprietary tooling, maybe others can, i can't | Jun 18 22:38 |
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| activelow | http://www.j-core.org summarizes quickly the situation | Jun 18 22:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.j-core.org | J-core Open Processor | Jun 18 22:39 | |
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| psymin | nice! | Jun 18 22:40 |
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| DaemonFC | That's the trouble with IRC on a mobile connection. | Jun 18 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | It disconnects all the time because you go in and out of cell tower range. | Jun 18 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, Illinois is losing two coal plants next year. One's in Waukegan right by Lake Michigan. | Jun 18 23:38 |
| MinceR | running it on a vps helps | Jun 18 23:39 |
| MinceR | but afaict ergo-ircd has some bouncer-like features built in | Jun 18 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | Governor Pritzker showed up to take credit for it, but according to the news, what actually killed it was that it couldn't get a profitable rate on the PJM interconnection and so it was decided to shut it down because it would be losing money starting a few months from now. | Jun 18 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | It appears that the entire plant generates about as much energy as the demonstration Natrium reactor that they're building in Wyoming soon. | Jun 18 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | But only about half a percent of total generation in Illinois. | Jun 18 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | I'm surprised that with the idiots running this state, that we have so much industry left. | Jun 18 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | You couldn't build it today. Liberals want to take us back to the stone age while continuing to get coffee that cuts down the rain forest every morning at Six Bucks. | Jun 18 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | Driving their car that runs on fossil fuels and conflict minerals at the same time (hybrid) which don't age well and have to be decommissioned (MOAR CARBON!). | Jun 18 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | John was trying to buy a 2010 Prius with 146,000 miles on it. The salesman said the battery had been reconditioned. I said, "So, does that mean that there's a new battery pack in there or that some asshole replaced a few cells and more will just fail in a year or two?". | Jun 18 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | It was very urgent to get a car for work, even though Chicago has one of the less shitty public transit systems in the region and his employer covered that 100%. | Jun 18 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, There were some firings when it was found out that some of the office people at TSA were selling their free parking pass to other people for like $100 a month. | Jun 18 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | Other people would just park their car there in an employee spot and avoid leaving it at the airport lot for weeks or months on end and all those fees. | Jun 18 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | Many of the people doing it didn't need the parking pass because they lived in one of the houses or apartments that was like a 10-15 minute walk from work. | Jun 18 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | Hope they didn't need that job either. | Jun 18 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | John was telling me about a fat pervert that was creeping everyone out, actually. | Jun 18 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | Like, orca fat. He broke all of the chairs in the break room and the government launched an investigation into who was breaking the chairs. Apparently big fat guy wasn't obvious enough. | Jun 18 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | Then he was watching porn on a tablet during break. Groping passengers and making comments like "My, you're very well endowed.". | Jun 18 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | That wasn't enough to get him fired even during his first 90 days. | Jun 18 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | They just moved him to third shift. Then what finally did him in was when he cornered a supervisor and tried to get her to join him in the restroom. I'm telling you, this is why I don't fly. | Jun 18 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | If Garrett wasn't a programmer, he'd work at the TSA> | Jun 18 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | Talking about using open source conferences as a meat market. | Jun 18 23:50 |
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| DaemonFC | Oh, there I am again. | Jun 18 23:50 |
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| DaemonFC | Or not. | Jun 18 23:51 |
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| DaemonFC | Is it the app!? | Jun 18 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Garrett posted on Shitter that you had his favorite conspiracy theory. | Jun 18 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | That he's packing Linux full of junk from the NSA. | Jun 18 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe that is pushing it a little far. After all, the review bar seems so low these days that you can pack it full of junk that's barely even code. | Jun 18 23:53 |
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| DaemonFC | Like, some of the UMN patches were designed to create vulnerabilities but they were too incompetent to do that correctly and then the patch got approved. | Jun 18 23:54 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Things move so fast in the kernel that you pretty much have to fork a stable branch if you want a custom kernel. I mean, sometimes patches continue to apply correctly to a branch they weren't tested against but it's just random at that point. What they approve or don't approve is also random. | Jun 18 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | Reiser4 is in much better shape than BtrFS is. | Jun 18 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | The reason BtrFS is in is because outfits liek Facebook are members of the Linux Destroying Foundation. | Jun 18 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | It has nothing to do with how good the component is. Money talks. | Jun 18 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | But you don't dare use ReiserFS because you could format volumes with it and then the patches don't get updated, or upstream starts dropping APIs it needs because they don't use them (like what happened to ZFS on Linux). | Jun 18 23:57 |
| activelow | nilfs2 didn't receive alot of attention in comparison, to my surprise | Jun 18 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | Reiser4, that is. Not that they treat Reiser3 much better. | Jun 18 23:58 |
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