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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9089035/Covid-infected-Santa-visits-Belgium-care-home-kills-18-residents-121-fell-ill-outbreak.html | Dec 27 00:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Covid-infected Santa visits Belgium care home and kills 18 residents after 121 fell ill in outbreak | Daily Mail Online | Dec 27 00:31 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Well I sure hope you've been good this year!" | Dec 27 00:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Mom asked why the RV that exploded was saying how many minutes they had to evacuate. | Dec 27 00:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Well obviously the bomber was a fan of The Fifth Element.". | Dec 27 00:38 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 27 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In any sort of sane government, they would pass an amendment after this to shorten the Lame Duck period of an outgoing president by another month or so. | Dec 27 00:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's already been done before. Thank God. Things would be far worse if Trump was able to remain in office through March 4th. | Dec 27 00:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The 20th amendment was passed precisely just because there could be a national emergency and an outgoing administration, like Trump, who didn't feel obligated to do anything about it. | Dec 27 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The most notable past occasions at the time of the amendment passing were Lincoln being stuck in the transition while southern states were seceding and FDR not being able to take office while President Hoover wasn't doing anything about the Great Depression. | Dec 27 00:58 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft says they plan to refine the WIndows segmentheap and eventually make it impossible to compile new applications that use legacy heap. | Dec 27 05:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I don't know why Google is backing it out instead of refining it in Chrome. | Dec 27 05:17 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.zdnet.com/article/rocky-linux-first-release-is-coming-in-q2-2021-say-developers/ | Dec 27 05:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rocky Linux: First release is coming in Q2 2021 say developers | ZDNet | Dec 27 05:52 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Looks like Red Hat overplayed their hand with CentOS. | Dec 27 05:52 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Now people who don't want to do a hard switchover can just change their yum sources and be running Rocky Linux soon. | Dec 27 05:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-defender-for-linux-adds-new-security-feature/ | Dec 27 05:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Defender for Linux adds new security feature | ZDNet | Dec 27 05:53 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: "Rich investigation experience". | Dec 27 05:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Usually the investigation into cyberattacks involving Windows are more like the FBI combing over the rubble after a bomb has already gone off. | Dec 27 05:54 |
| schestowitz | zdnet spam | Dec 27 05:56 |
| schestowitz | won't click | Dec 27 05:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mozilla managed to ruin Firefox for Android even worse than the desktop browser. | Dec 27 06:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can't even install bypass paywalls anymore. | Dec 27 06:02 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla/Tiger Oakes (Saturday): "I’ve been moving many repositories over to GitHub Actions to automate deployment and testing..." So #mozilla is a lost cause, outsourcing to #microsoft #proprietarySoftware #monopoly (Goodbye, "Open Web!") | Dec 27 06:03 |
| schestowitz | that's from yesterday | Dec 27 06:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Higan has turned into a total mess since the "community" builds on GitHub and the license changes. | Dec 27 06:05 |
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| psydroid | I use Mednafen with the snes_faust engine for SNES games, it works even on low-end SBCs unlike Higan/Bsnes Snes9x | Dec 27 06:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm trying out startpage as my search engine on the desktop. | Dec 27 06:12 |
| schestowitz | it's spyware | Dec 27 06:19 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Startpage | Dec 27 06:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Startpage - Techrights | Dec 27 06:19 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Might as well use DuckDuckGo then I guess. | Dec 27 06:25 |
| schestowitz | no, worse | Dec 27 06:26 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/07/02/ddg-privacy-abuser-in-disguise/ | Dec 27 06:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why People Should Never Ever Use DuckDuckGo | Techrights | Dec 27 06:27 | |
| schestowitz | iophk: #FSF is now #openwashing #Microsoft by omission https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/freedom-memories-and-campaigning-for-free-software | Dec 27 07:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Freedom, memories, and campaigning for free software — Free Software Foundation — Working together for free software | Dec 27 07:01 | |
| schestowitz | i think vZS1 caught this first | Dec 27 07:01 |
| vZS1 | That's the article with 12 mentions of Apple and one sheepish mention of Microsoft | Dec 27 07:46 |
| vZS1 | Still the same | Dec 27 07:46 |
| vZS1 | FSF is basically Microsoft PR | Dec 27 07:48 |
| vZS1 | They will bash everyone but Microsoft | Dec 27 07:48 |
| vZS1 | Same situation with EFF | Dec 27 07:49 |
| vZS1 | And Linux Foundation | Dec 27 07:49 |
| schestowitz | I have just done a video about Nokia and it talks about what you said re FSF | Dec 27 08:17 |
| schestowitz | I will also quote the above in the body | Dec 27 08:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Ok. I'll take a look in a short while. | Dec 27 08:20 |
| schestowitz | Video: How Microsoft Killed Nokia and Harmed an Entire Country | Dec 27 08:22 |
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| mjg59 | Nokia killed itself | Dec 27 08:25 |
| mjg59 | They didn't need Microsoft's help | Dec 27 08:25 |
| schestowitz | liar | Dec 27 08:26 |
| mjg59 | If they hadn't thrown away their first two attempts at a Linux platform, they might have stood a chance | Dec 27 08:26 |
| mjg59 | But by the time they could actually ship the N9, it was far too late | Dec 27 08:26 |
| mjg59 | Series 60 was obsolete, so wasn't going to save them either | Dec 27 08:27 |
| mjg59 | They simply didn't have a competitive OS when they neededone | Dec 27 08:27 |
| Techrights-sec2 | It's important to occasionally revist these topics. | Dec 27 08:28 |
| Techrights-sec2 | The mainstream media does not. However, the microsofters | Dec 27 08:28 |
| Techrights-sec2 | continuously press revisionism for years, if not decades. | Dec 27 08:28 |
| mjg59 | Which left Elop with having to choose between Android (where they'd have had nothing to differentiate themselves against others) or Windows Phone (where Microsoft were willing to do a meaningful amount of engineering work in collaboration) | Dec 27 08:28 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Nokia had Maemo, ELop killed it. Somewhere Ahonen went into detail about that. | Dec 27 08:29 |
| Techrights-sec2 | but that is one his most difficult to find blog posts. | Dec 27 08:29 |
| Techrights-sec2 | It goes against the narratives of the revisionists. | Dec 27 08:29 |
| mjg59 | Maemo was already dead before the burning platform memo | Dec 27 08:29 |
| mjg59 | It had been merged with Meego | Dec 27 08:30 |
| mjg59 | Which delayed it even further | Dec 27 08:30 |
| mjg59 | Sorry, merged with Moblin into Meego | Dec 27 08:30 |
| mjg59 | Which meant transitioning from deb to rpm | Dec 27 08:30 |
| mjg59 | Which took a bunch of engineering work that could have been used for something else | Dec 27 08:31 |
| mjg59 | Like making the platform actually work | Dec 27 08:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | The Nokia board is probably cirminally liable for what went on, but | Dec 27 08:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | corruption and misplaced nationalism will prevent that from EVER being | Dec 27 08:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | addressed in court. | Dec 27 08:31 |
| mjg59 | All of that happened well before Elop took over | Dec 27 08:32 |
| mjg59 | The N9 only shipped when it did because pretty much everyone had been taken off the second Meego phone to fix the N9, which meant they wouldn't have had a followup until 2013 at best | Dec 27 08:33 |
| mjg59 | The leadership was terrible | Dec 27 08:34 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/11/nokia-under-elop-his-3-years-performance-review-worst-ceo-of-all-time-all-the-facts-in-pictures.html | Dec 27 08:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Nokia Under Elop - His 3 Years: Performance Review - Worst CEO of All Time - All the Facts - In Pictures | Dec 27 08:34 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | Not the main link but one of many on the topic. | Dec 27 08:34 |
| mjg59 | Yeah, Nokia tanked while Elop was running it | Dec 27 08:35 |
| mjg59 | Because Android and iOS were dominating the market and Nokia had nothing to compete | Dec 27 08:35 |
| mjg59 | Because previous leadership kept fucking up | Dec 27 08:35 |
| mjg59 | You don't just get to write a competitive platform in a year | Dec 27 08:35 |
| Techrights-sec2 | One of the main Aincentives for Elop to sabotage everything was the | Dec 27 08:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | $25 million bonus that the board offered him to sell to M$. | Dec 27 08:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/06/the-final-reckoning-of-burning-platforms-memo-damaged-nokia-by-wiping-out-13b-in-revenues-and-destro.html | Dec 27 08:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: The Final Reckoning: Burning Platforms Memo Damaged Nokia: Wiped out $13B revenues, Destroyed $4B profits in just 12 months | Dec 27 08:37 | |
| mjg59 | Anyone who's arguing that Symbian was a viable platform in 2011 is detached from reality | Dec 27 08:38 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Nokia got out of phones permanently. THey have no plans or intention to return | Dec 27 08:42 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Networking is their focus now. However, they have an M$ infrastructure | Dec 27 08:42 |
| Techrights-sec2 | including M$ Outlook / M$ Exchange and thus have not capabilities ofholding | Dec 27 08:42 |
| Techrights-sec2 | any trade secrets until they switch infrastructures. | Dec 27 08:42 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://macdailynews.com/2013/06/28/nokias-stephen-elop-the-worst-ceo-of-all-time/ | Dec 27 08:42 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/06/sherlock-holmes-and-the-hounds-of-the-basket-case-clues-on-the-trail-of-elop-ballmer-and-nokias-boar.html | Dec 27 08:42 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Symbian was dead lnong before the M$ attack. It was being phased out. | Dec 27 08:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nokia's Stephen Elop: The worst CEO of all time - MacDailyNews | Dec 27 08:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Sherlock Holmes and the Hounds of the Basket Case: Clues on the trail of Elop, Ballmer and Nokia's Board | Dec 27 08:42 | |
| mjg59 | Analysts continually underestimated how much demand there was for iOS (they were fixated on things like it not having cut and paste in iOS 1, whereas everyone else was happy they could have a phone with a browser that actually worked) | Dec 27 08:42 |
| Techrights-sec2 | bbl | Dec 27 08:42 |
| Techrights-sec2 | few minutes | Dec 27 08:42 |
| mjg59 | And the fact that cheap Android devices would become ubiquitous in that time frame | Dec 27 08:43 |
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| mjg59 | schestowitz: Anyway, I can provide a completely coherent argument for why Nokia were fucked. Want to provide substantive evidence that I'm lying? | Dec 27 08:44 |
| schestowitz | This is Netscape-type revisionism | Dec 27 08:45 |
| schestowitz | same style | Dec 27 08:45 |
| schestowitz | similar talking point | Dec 27 08:45 |
| schestowitz | blaming the victim for their own demise | Dec 27 08:45 |
| schestowitz | by saying they were doomed all along | Dec 27 08:45 |
| schestowitz | by their own making | Dec 27 08:45 |
| schestowitz | I myself won't participate in this time-wasting | Dec 27 08:46 |
| schestowitz | i made a video | Dec 27 08:46 |
| schestowitz | I am uploading it now, it'll take hours as it seems throttled at ISP level | Dec 27 08:46 |
| mjg59 | You do seem extremely enthusiastic about defaming me | Dec 27 08:47 |
| schestowitz | that video also mentions FSF | Dec 27 08:47 |
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| mjg59 | You're welcome to disagree | Dec 27 08:47 |
| schestowitz | they've lost touch with real threats | Dec 27 08:47 |
| mjg59 | Or say that I'm wrong | Dec 27 08:47 |
| schestowitz | defaming you? | Dec 27 08:47 |
| schestowitz | saying you lie is defaming? | Dec 27 08:47 |
| mjg59 | If I'm not lying, yeah | Dec 27 08:47 |
| schestowitz | so each politician accusing another of being a liar would end up in a court over slander? | Dec 27 08:48 |
| mjg59 | You're making a statement of fact that casts me in a negative light | Dec 27 08:48 |
| schestowitz | you ARE lying | Dec 27 08:48 |
| schestowitz | and twisting history | Dec 27 08:48 |
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| mjg59 | Oh, whether it reaches the level of criminal defamation isn't something I'm going to argue about | Dec 27 08:48 |
| schestowitz | you are maybe not a liar if you do this by accident | Dec 27 08:48 |
| schestowitz | [08:48] <mjg59> You're making a statement of fact that casts me in a negative light | Dec 27 08:48 |
| schestowitz | your own actions cast you in a negative light | Dec 27 08:49 |
| schestowitz | like boosting Microsoft stuff and agenda | Dec 27 08:49 |
| schestowitz | you help a bunch of criminals | Dec 27 08:49 |
| schestowitz | and now you help a surveillance and espionage operation | Dec 27 08:49 |
| schestowitz | known as Google | Dec 27 08:49 |
| schestowitz | so your own actions and choice harm you | Dec 27 08:49 |
| schestowitz | not me | Dec 27 08:49 |
| schestowitz | I just point it out | Dec 27 08:49 |
| mjg59 | That's all completely fair criticism, even if I'd disagree with the characterisations | Dec 27 08:50 |
| mjg59 | But calling me a liar isn't fair criticism | Dec 27 08:50 |
| schestowitz | to confront this accusation you need to show you accidentally tell falsehoods | Dec 27 08:50 |
| schestowitz | I wrote and covered Nokia far more than you have | Dec 27 08:50 |
| mjg59 | Ok. So why did Nokia fail to launch a Linux phone until 2011? | Dec 27 08:51 |
| schestowitz | falsehood again | Dec 27 08:51 |
| schestowitz | bye | Dec 27 08:51 |
| schestowitz | waste of time | Dec 27 08:51 |
| mjg59 | Eh sorry yes the N900 was before that | Dec 27 08:51 |
| mjg59 | So, apologies, that was incorrect | Dec 27 08:52 |
| mjg59 | Instead, why did it take two years between the N900 and the N9? | Dec 27 08:52 |
| mjg59 | And why did it take 4 years from the N770 to the N900? | Dec 27 08:52 |
| mjg59 | Would a well-run company take that long? | Dec 27 08:53 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | I don't know much of the internal politics. | Dec 27 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | What I do recall is that they had a phone that was about to hit the market which | Dec 27 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | was getting better reviews than the iPhone. | Dec 27 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Elop killed that as soon as he arrived. | Dec 27 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | His contract also contained the $25 million bonus from the board of directors, | Dec 27 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | conditional on selling the company to M$ | Dec 27 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Seriously the microsofters are able to repeat their lies because everyone else | Dec 27 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | has moved on. | Dec 27 09:02 |
| Techrights-sec2 | However, Tomi Ahonen documented it all. The best part was his accuracy in | Dec 27 09:03 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the predictions he made. | Dec 27 09:03 |
| Techrights-sec2 | He usually or always went back to review them and compare them with the facts, | Dec 27 09:03 |
| Techrights-sec2 | once they were known. | Dec 27 09:03 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/01/continuing-nokia-disaster-in-just-one-picture-today-picture-6-revenues-what-ceo-is-allowed-to-volunt.html | Dec 27 09:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Continuing Nokia Disaster in Just One Picture, today Picture 6: Revenues. What CEO is Allowed to Voluntarily Wipe Out Half of Total Revenues? Elop Thats Who | Dec 27 09:03 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | Meego: https://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2011/02/nokia-autopsy-on-meego-one-last-look-back-before-we-look-forward-on-the-new-nokia.html | Dec 27 09:03 |
| mjg59 | The N9 wasn't reviewed or released until months after Elop arrived | Dec 27 09:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Nokia Autopsy on MeeGo - One last look back, Before we look forward on the New Nokia | Dec 27 09:03 | |
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| Techrights-sec2 | Elop started in Sept, however, by August there were already worries among enrengineers about a mole from M$. Couldn't get more info about it though. | Dec 27 09:06 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Elop inflicted the Windows pPhone : | Dec 27 09:14 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2014/12/bizarre-stat-of-the-day-microsoft-and-nokia-have-only-achieved-50m-lumia-activations-seriously-out-o.html | Dec 27 09:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Bizarre Stat of the Day: Microsoft (and Nokia) have only achieved 50M Lumia activations? Seriously? Out of 76M shipments? What happened to the other 26M? Seriously! Tossed into garbage by retail? | Dec 27 09:14 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/08/open-letter-to-nokia-shareholders.html | Dec 27 09:14 |
| Techrights-sec2 | N9 | Dec 27 09:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Open Letter to Nokia Shareholders | Dec 27 09:14 | |
| Techrights-sec2 | tldr; Elop couldn't stop the N9 but he could stop it from selling. | Dec 27 09:17 |
| vZS1 | When I saw Nokia putting Windows on their phones I knew it was game over. But I didn't realise the whole company gambled on that | Dec 27 09:26 |
| vZS1 | Techrights-sec2: so basically MS corruption killed Nokia | Dec 27 09:26 |
| vZS1 | I wasn't really aware of this | Dec 27 09:27 |
| vZS1 | $25 mil bonus to sell to Microsoft | Dec 27 09:27 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: this should be summarised in the TR wiki | Dec 27 09:28 |
| schestowitz | it is | Dec 27 09:29 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Nokia | Dec 27 09:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Nokia - Techrights | Dec 27 09:29 | |
| schestowitz | vZS1: I am uploading a video that summarises much of this | Dec 27 09:32 |
| vZS1 | The TR homepage really needs an overhaul. You should put the Wiki and daily bulletin on the front | Dec 27 09:32 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: mjg59 I mostly ignore for now | Dec 27 09:33 |
| schestowitz | as did Torvalds | Dec 27 09:33 |
| schestowitz | he's shilling what caused many Red Hat servers to no longer boot earlier this year | Dec 27 09:33 |
| vZS1 | That's a nick on my ignore list | Dec 27 09:33 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: yeah, I need to add stuff to it | Dec 27 09:33 |
| vZS1 | Must be a good reason why | Dec 27 09:33 |
| schestowitz | but... | Dec 27 09:33 |
| schestowitz | not sure the current drupal layout suits us best | Dec 27 09:34 |
| schestowitz | when we took as GLA (London Town Hall now) as a client I needed some drupal 7 exercise | Dec 27 09:34 |
| schestowitz | so I set up that site with new visitors in mind, people who never saw the site before | Dec 27 09:34 |
| schestowitz | do you want to sketch a front page with what you think best suits new visitors and gives death at the same time? | Dec 27 09:35 |
| schestowitz | maybe now that it's quiet we can get that done | Dec 27 09:35 |
| schestowitz | my understanding is that Ariadne wants to toss, as-in, the VMs, into the new datacentre | Dec 27 09:35 |
| schestowitz | then we'll update DNS records | Dec 27 09:35 |
| schestowitz | then turn things into containers, on the 'other side' | Dec 27 09:35 |
| schestowitz | so migration might be a lot more rapid than I had budgeted time for | Dec 27 09:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Maybe there ought to be something on the TR annual calendar to revisit | Dec 27 09:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | various topics on their anniversiaries, such as the anniversary of Elop | Dec 27 09:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | getting fired from Nokia. | Dec 27 09:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Rehashing is important because the microsoft boosters repeat their lies | Dec 27 09:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | for so many years even after being debunked. | Dec 27 09:36 |
| Techrights-sec2 | \ | Dec 27 09:36 |
| vZS1 | Techrights-sec2: I support this idea | Dec 27 09:37 |
| vZS1 | Will help combat the revisionism | Dec 27 09:37 |
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| schestowitz | what's the plan for front page? the wiki used to be front page | Dec 27 09:37 |
| vZS1 | Kind of a "this day in history" kind of thing | Dec 27 09:37 |
| schestowitz | techrights.org/wiki | Dec 27 09:37 |
| vZS1 | I say turn the front page into 3 blocks. Top block has the most recent daily bulletin and link to the rest of them. | Dec 27 09:38 |
| vZS1 | Send block most recent wiki entry and link to the rest | Dec 27 09:38 |
| vZS1 | Third block "this day on history" | Dec 27 09:39 |
| schestowitz | can you sketch it? I'd then style it a bit | Dec 27 09:39 |
| vZS1 | And then make a dynamic index of the site as a separate page | Dec 27 09:39 |
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| schestowitz | or maybe I can do something with drupal | Dec 27 09:39 |
| schestowitz | like a new landing page | Dec 27 09:39 |
| vZS1 | Keep it simple | Dec 27 09:39 |
| vZS1 | Contact details on right column with PGP key link | Dec 27 09:40 |
| schestowitz | or show a site to mimic (which does this | Dec 27 09:40 |
| vZS1 | I'll send a sketch in a bit | Dec 27 09:40 |
| vZS1 | Can just use GIMP | Dec 27 09:40 |
| schestowitz | can't wrap my head around what common/new visitors know/think/want to find | Dec 27 09:41 |
| schestowitz | we can make that page static | Dec 27 09:41 |
| schestowitz | with link to the drupal page as heavier alternative | Dec 27 09:42 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/home/ | Dec 27 09:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights | People's rights in the digital age | Plutocracy threatened by freedom, democracy, privacy & civil rights | Dec 27 09:42 | |
| schestowitz | I can use apache to separate that out from / (root) | Dec 27 09:42 |
| schestowitz | Let's do a fresh static page | Dec 27 09:46 |
| schestowitz | leave drupal aside | Dec 27 09:46 |
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| schestowitz | drupal will be for "new visitors' | Dec 27 09:46 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/home/ | Dec 27 09:46 |
| schestowitz | pages such as this http://techrights.org/home/techbytes-video | Dec 27 09:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | TechBytes Video | Techrights | People's rights in the digital age | Dec 27 09:46 | |
| schestowitz | vZS1: remember most EPO staff reads the site and comes to it just for EPO articles, so we might want a section on "latest re EPO" | Dec 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | usually they just search "epo techrights" | Dec 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | and then come to http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO | Dec 27 09:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Dec 27 09:48 | |
| vZS1 | Just let the search bar on one of the wings | Dec 27 09:48 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to iFrame that page | Dec 27 09:48 |
| vZS1 | i.e. left or right column | Dec 27 09:49 |
| schestowitz | it's hard to pull this list into a non-php page otherwise | Dec 27 09:49 |
| schestowitz | search bar is not useful | Dec 27 09:49 |
| schestowitz | because the wordpress search is only for wordpress | Dec 27 09:49 |
| schestowitz | it does not cover the wiki | Dec 27 09:49 |
| schestowitz | the wiki has its own search, the mediawiki one | Dec 27 09:49 |
| vZS1 | Just link to a page with info on how to search the different parts | Dec 27 09:50 |
| schestowitz | in schestowitz.com I used static page | Dec 27 09:51 |
| schestowitz | it binds together many things | Dec 27 09:51 |
| schestowitz | incl. links to the prior front pages | Dec 27 09:51 |
| vZS1 | A link about notifications (RSS) wouldn't hurt either. | Dec 27 09:53 |
| vZS1 | But these should be in the wings | Dec 27 09:53 |
| vZS1 | Split the middle into 3 rows | Dec 27 09:54 |
| vZS1 | Fairly short each | Dec 27 09:54 |
| vZS1 | R0: bulletin, R1: wiki, R3: this day in history | Dec 27 09:55 |
| schestowitz | older homepage http://schestowitz.com/index.htm | Dec 27 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Dec 27 09:55 | |
| vZS1 | That way people see the latest material and can then go find more | Dec 27 09:55 |
| schestowitz | and php version of it http://schestowitz.com/indexphp.php | Dec 27 09:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Dec 27 09:56 | |
| schestowitz | for techrights I need this visualised | Dec 27 09:56 |
| schestowitz | and it's hard to do over irc | Dec 27 09:56 |
| vZS1 | I'll send a sketch | Dec 27 09:56 |
| vZS1 | Not at computer rn | Dec 27 09:56 |
| schestowitz | I'm comfortable with the design/graphics aspects | Dec 27 09:56 |
| schestowitz | but the layout is not a science | Dec 27 09:57 |
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| schestowitz | wow, some of my site is badly out of date | Dec 27 09:58 |
| schestowitz | like 17 years http://schestowitz.com/Bookmarks/local_feeds.htm | Dec 27 09:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Roy Schestowitz - Local Feeds | Dec 27 09:58 | |
| schestowitz | Rojo, "my MSN" :-) | Dec 27 09:58 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | "This day in history" would be a good category. | Dec 27 10:16 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Elop was acquired by M$ through the purchase of Nokia but fired him | Dec 27 10:16 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the next year in June. | Dec 27 10:16 |
| Techrights-sec2 | The Acquisition went through in a September. | Dec 27 10:16 |
| vZS1_2 | I'm just about to share the sketch I made | Dec 27 10:17 |
| vZS1_2 | Gimme a sec | Dec 27 10:17 |
| schestowitz | a decade ago we used lots of magpierss to convert certain feeds into html | Dec 27 10:17 |
| schestowitz | even inside the wiki using plugins | Dec 27 10:17 |
| schestowitz | then it stopped working | Dec 27 10:17 |
| schestowitz | we never bothered repairing it | Dec 27 10:17 |
| schestowitz | there are ways we can get lists of things (e.g. bulletins) without making the page dynamic and cpu-heavy | Dec 27 10:18 |
| schestowitz | the new page would need to also link to /home (for new visitors) | Dec 27 10:18 |
| schestowitz | blog, and the wiki | Dec 27 10:18 |
| schestowitz | Cartoon: The Message Is Loud and Clear | Dec 27 10:19 |
| schestowitz | https://www.darkreading.com/endpoint/cartoon-the-message-is-loud-and-clear/d/d-id/1339787 | Dec 27 10:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darkreading.com | Cartoon: The Message Is Loud and Clear | Dec 27 10:19 | |
| vZS1_2 | schestowitz: https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmS6VKZyeNwHw9QR5RxPfx2Js9tpLV9E8m66p3i7YtUTTt | Dec 27 10:20 |
| vZS1_2 | Hopefully that gives an idea of what I meant | Dec 27 10:20 |
| scientes | http://elbrus2k.wikidot.com/elbrus-compilers | Dec 27 10:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-elbrus2k.wikidot.com | Elbrus Compilers - Elbrus2k | Dec 27 10:22 | |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: minimalist page? | Dec 27 10:24 |
| vZS1_2 | Yes | Dec 27 10:24 |
| schestowitz | and if so, in what sense? | Dec 27 10:24 |
| schestowitz | visual, cpu? | Dec 27 10:24 |
| schestowitz | clutter? | Dec 27 10:24 |
| vZS1_2 | Clutter | Dec 27 10:24 |
| schestowitz | can you cite an example/site you like? | Dec 27 10:24 |
| vZS1_2 | Is the link to the sketch working? | Dec 27 10:25 |
| schestowitz | I've related the link over ytalk | Dec 27 10:25 |
| scientes | yeah, I don't think there is any payoff to making CPUs faster | Dec 27 10:25 |
| schestowitz | to get more feedback | Dec 27 10:25 |
| scientes | everybody just pretends to listen while nodding their heads, and then asks "how will this make _me_ rich?" | Dec 27 10:25 |
| scientes | (most of the economy in the US is like this) | Dec 27 10:26 |
| vZS1_2 | I thought of the following things when I came up with that layout | Dec 27 10:26 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: the link works, I now think how to best implement it | Dec 27 10:26 |
| vZS1_2 | 0) What is going on RIGHT NOW? | Dec 27 10:26 |
| schestowitz | bulletins can update the page | Dec 27 10:26 |
| schestowitz | as part of the worklow | Dec 27 10:26 |
| schestowitz | put the right datastamp in | Dec 27 10:27 |
| vZS1_2 | 1) How do I contact you? | Dec 27 10:27 |
| vZS1_2 | 2) How do I find stuff? | Dec 27 10:27 |
| vZS1_2 | That's it | Dec 27 10:27 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Will the proposed layout have any effect on the ?stories layout? | Dec 27 10:27 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Or just the main page? | Dec 27 10:27 |
| vZS1_2 | This is just a proposal for the main page | Dec 27 10:27 |
| vZS1_2 | No intended side-effects | Dec 27 10:27 |
| schestowitz | No impact on any existing page, it's about where / (root) will link to or what it will show | Dec 27 10:27 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ALso, how to automate the fight against revisionism panel? | Dec 27 10:28 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Topics in a calendar would do but what kind of calendar? | Dec 27 10:28 |
| vZS1_2 | Plain white background. Simple line borders/separators | Dec 27 10:28 |
| schestowitz | doable | Dec 27 10:29 |
| schestowitz | as a starting point also easier | Dec 27 10:29 |
| schestowitz | many of our readers are web minimalists | Dec 27 10:29 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | Yes, that's a better rpoposal for root than the existing one. | Dec 27 10:31 |
| Techrights-sec2 | The fight against revisionism panel should't change too often, | Dec 27 10:33 |
| Techrights-sec2 | time is needed for re-exposure IMO | Dec 27 10:33 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Maybe have it update as "this week in histor" ? | Dec 27 10:33 |
| vZS1_2 | This week in history also works | Dec 27 10:33 |
| vZS1_2 | And that's a good point | Dec 27 10:33 |
| schestowitz | Who can maintain this and make a calendar? Seems like overhead/burden in the long run, like many other parts of the site now neglected (chairlet awards etc.) | Dec 27 10:34 |
| vZS1_2 | I think you should split it up between admin and material | Dec 27 10:34 |
| vZS1_2 | People can suggest material and then you can just shove it in there with a script | Dec 27 10:35 |
| schestowitz | in the sketch you have made, where do latest blog posts go? | Dec 27 10:36 |
| schestowitz | also, should the latest video be embedded? Or too much bloat? | Dec 27 10:37 |
| vZS1_2 | Too much bloat | Dec 27 10:37 |
| vZS1_2 | People can look at the site index for that | Dec 27 10:37 |
| schestowitz | unless the page itself runs some code (cgi/php), it'll need to be written to by something | Dec 27 10:37 |
| schestowitz | and then there's chance it'll break and become blank | Dec 27 10:37 |
| vZS1_2 | And doesn't the bulletin aggregate all that anyway? | Dec 27 10:37 |
| vZS1_2 | videos/blog post | Dec 27 10:38 |
| schestowitz | let me see if I can find a good starting point to skip table body tr td etc. | Dec 27 10:38 |
| vZS1_2 | I wouldn't put more than 3 things in the middle of the root page | Dec 27 10:38 |
| vZS1_2 | People clicking on the bulletin links will find the videos and blog posts anyway | Dec 27 10:39 |
| vZS1_2 | How you implement things is up to you but KISS | Dec 27 10:40 |
| schestowitz | no special css? | Dec 27 10:40 |
| vZS1_2 | nope | Dec 27 10:41 |
| schestowitz | css is not bw or cpu heavy | Dec 27 10:41 |
| schestowitz | this is 2004: http://schestowitz.com/Projects/AART/AART-Entry.htm | Dec 27 10:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Roy Schestowitz | Dec 27 10:41 | |
| vZS1_2 | ik but it's an extra thing to maintain | Dec 27 10:41 |
| schestowitz | I made it with CSS mostly | Dec 27 10:41 |
| vZS1_2 | HTML5 is plenty enough | Dec 27 10:41 |
| schestowitz | for text, layout, boxes | Dec 27 10:42 |
| schestowitz | 16 years ago | Dec 27 10:42 |
| schestowitz | https://www.freebsd.org/ | Dec 27 10:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freebsd.org | The FreeBSD Project | Dec 27 10:42 | |
| schestowitz | they do lots of css | Dec 27 10:42 |
| schestowitz | https://www.kernel.org/ | Dec 27 10:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kernel.org | The Linux Kernel Archives | Dec 27 10:42 | |
| schestowitz | also css | Dec 27 10:42 |
| vZS1_2 | You can if you want to | Dec 27 10:42 |
| vZS1_2 | Just keep the form and colours simple | Dec 27 10:42 |
| vZS1_2 | FreeBSD is a good example actually | Dec 27 10:42 |
| vZS1_2 | Minimal colour scheme | Dec 27 10:43 |
| vZS1_2 | Dead simple layout | Dec 27 10:43 |
| schestowitz | which is better? | Dec 27 10:44 |
| schestowitz | also for phones etc. | Dec 27 10:44 |
| schestowitz | I'll get it all done today, I DO have the time | Dec 27 10:44 |
| schestowitz | will need to test with some devices around here | Dec 27 10:44 |
| vZS1_2 | Kernel is better for phone | Dec 27 10:45 |
| vZS1_2 | More elegant as well | Dec 27 10:45 |
| vZS1_2 | FreeBSD doesn't have good enough grouping | Dec 27 10:45 |
| vZS1_2 | relatively, looks a bit messy | Dec 27 10:45 |
| vZS1_2 | On phones you always want to think in terms of scrolling | Dec 27 10:46 |
| schestowitz | no scrolling? | Dec 27 10:46 |
| vZS1_2 | Whereas with laptops/desktops you can think more in terms of a wide screen | Dec 27 10:46 |
| vZS1_2 | Up to you | Dec 27 10:46 |
| schestowitz | or horizonal no-no? | Dec 27 10:46 |
| schestowitz | *zontal | Dec 27 10:46 |
| schestowitz | well, if we add banners and graphics, we lose width flexibility | Dec 27 10:47 |
| schestowitz | sans zooming | Dec 27 10:47 |
| schestowitz | which then impacts text, too | Dec 27 10:47 |
| schestowitz | so maybe imageless | Dec 27 10:47 |
| vZS1_2 | I would go with imageless | Dec 27 10:47 |
| vZS1_2 | Images overcomplicate everything | Dec 27 10:47 |
| schestowitz | kernel.org is no good | Dec 27 10:47 |
| schestowitz | for narrow screens the banner at the top has no fallback and won't rescale | Dec 27 10:48 |
| schestowitz | the width is very rigid | Dec 27 10:48 |
| schestowitz | and doesn't take advantage of wide screens at all | Dec 27 10:48 |
| schestowitz | like our old (2006) blog layout | Dec 27 10:48 |
| vZS1_2 | That's because they optimised for mobile | Dec 27 10:48 |
| schestowitz | heh, we can do ascii art for images | Dec 27 10:48 |
| schestowitz | for old skool feel | Dec 27 10:49 |
| schestowitz | but that too does not scale | Dec 27 10:49 |
| vZS1_2 | Tbh, most sites change depending on which device is reading | Dec 27 10:49 |
| schestowitz | worse -- wrapping makes salad out of it | Dec 27 10:49 |
| vZS1_2 | they have a separate css file for each device | Dec 27 10:49 |
| schestowitz | that's terrible | Dec 27 10:49 |
| schestowitz | technical debt | Dec 27 10:49 |
| vZS1_2 | wordpress already does this by default now, I believe | Dec 27 10:49 |
| schestowitz | text only would serve well when we go gopher/gemini/ipfs etc. | Dec 27 10:50 |
| vZS1_2 | Anyway | Dec 27 10:50 |
| vZS1_2 | Basic idea is the same | Dec 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz | you can make daily ipfs object | Dec 27 10:50 |
| vZS1_2 | keep the root page free of clutter | Dec 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz | text only | Dec 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz | I wonder, why not serve a text file as front page, except links not working? | Dec 27 10:50 |
| vZS1_2 | I would keep IPFS tucked away somewhere else | Dec 27 10:50 |
| vZS1_2 | Go with my basic layout for now | Dec 27 10:50 |
| vZS1_2 | That should be doable in HTML with basic CC | Dec 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz | or can make two versions | Dec 27 10:50 |
| vZS1_2 | CSS* | Dec 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz | one text only | Dec 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz | 79 char wrapped | Dec 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz | and another richer one with working urls | Dec 27 10:51 |
| vZS1_2 | You already have a text-only bulletin | Dec 27 10:51 |
| schestowitz | the one version can be lumped into bulletins or be its own object | Dec 27 10:51 |
| vZS1_2 | You're overcomplicating things rn | Dec 27 10:51 |
| schestowitz | the bulletin is orpahaned | Dec 27 10:51 |
| vZS1_2 | Just stick to a simple root page and then adapt that as time goes on | Dec 27 10:51 |
| schestowitz | and drifts in a pool of objects | Dec 27 10:51 |
| vZS1_2 | We can worry about the bulletin later | Dec 27 10:51 |
| schestowitz | without any hierarchy, except an html and text page with a list | Dec 27 10:51 |
| schestowitz | no, tbh, I'd rather go with foresight before writing any code/html/css | Dec 27 10:52 |
| schestowitz | because if later we look at it differently, it'll be a shame to "waste effort" | Dec 27 10:52 |
| vZS1_2 | How does the details of bulleting affect a 3-row layout for the root page? | Dec 27 10:52 |
| schestowitz | a lot of what's in that page is text only | Dec 27 10:52 |
| schestowitz | pgp, title, wiki, week in history | Dec 27 10:52 |
| vZS1_2 | bulleting* | Dec 27 10:52 |
| vZS1_2 | bulletin* | Dec 27 10:53 |
| vZS1_2 | I need tea | Dec 27 10:53 |
| schestowitz | ok, :-) | Dec 27 10:53 |
| schestowitz | let me think in the meantime | Dec 27 10:53 |
| schestowitz | will look for examples | Dec 27 10:53 |
| schestowitz | other sites | Dec 27 10:53 |
| schestowitz | https://gopherpedia.com/ | Dec 27 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gopherpedia | Dec 27 10:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://gemini.circumlunar.space/ | Dec 27 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gemini.circumlunar.space | Project Gemini | Dec 27 10:53 | |
| vZS1_2 | I'd say keep the sections proportional instead of fixed width | Dec 27 10:54 |
| schestowitz | https://ipfs.io/ seems bloated | Dec 27 10:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipfs.io | IPFS Powers the Distributed Web | Dec 27 10:54 | |
| schestowitz | the "modern" type with github account promoted | Dec 27 10:54 |
| vZS1_2 | Fixed width seems to get janky on some resolutions | Dec 27 10:54 |
| schestowitz | for html version with links the sections would stretch | Dec 27 10:54 |
| schestowitz | techrights.org/txt is latest bulletin | Dec 27 10:55 |
| schestowitz | I can use command line tools to convert html into text | Dec 27 10:55 |
| schestowitz | those are plentiful | Dec 27 10:55 |
| schestowitz | so the "master" version will be html | Dec 27 10:55 |
| vZS1_2 | I wouldn't put the whole post in the root page btw | Dec 27 10:56 |
| schestowitz | but it needs to be simple enough for automated conversion on cron job | Dec 27 10:56 |
| vZS1_2 | Just a "preview" | Dec 27 10:56 |
| schestowitz | can do headlines | Dec 27 10:56 |
| vZS1_2 | The root page should be viewable at one glance | Dec 27 10:56 |
| schestowitz | list of latest items, extracted over rss | Dec 27 10:56 |
| vZS1_2 | In its entirely | Dec 27 10:56 |
| schestowitz | we have rss for daily links also | Dec 27 10:56 |
| schestowitz | we used to (10 eyars ago) do a list for each in the wiki's front page (back then the whole's sites front page) | Dec 27 10:57 |
| vZS1_2 | Use whatever you already have. Should save resources | Dec 27 10:57 |
| schestowitz | ok | Dec 27 10:57 |
| schestowitz | checking | Dec 27 10:57 |
| vZS1_2 | s/entirely/entirety | Dec 27 10:57 |
| schestowitz | https://raymii.org/s/blog/Site_updates_raymii.org_now_on_gopher.html | Dec 27 10:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Site updates, raymii.org now also available on Gopher - Raymii.org | Dec 27 10:57 | |
| schestowitz | isnpiration | Dec 27 10:57 |
| schestowitz | https://raymii.org/ redirects to https://raymii.org/s | Dec 27 10:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Raymii.org | Dec 27 10:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Homepage - Raymii.org | Dec 27 10:58 | |
| schestowitz | he wrote some useful tools | Dec 27 10:58 |
| vZS1_2 | That's why I sent you the skeleton as an A4 page | Dec 27 10:59 |
| vZS1_2 | A root PAGE should be a PAGE | Dec 27 10:59 |
| vZS1_2 | not a scroll | Dec 27 10:59 |
| schestowitz | https://wikileaks.org/ | Dec 27 10:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | WikiLeaks | Dec 27 10:59 | |
| schestowitz | simple, clean | Dec 27 10:59 |
| schestowitz | with pictures | Dec 27 10:59 |
| schestowitz | a text-only front page would be pointless when I think about it | Dec 27 11:00 |
| schestowitz | as it would not include any links and links would require a browser | Dec 27 11:01 |
| schestowitz | if it had CIDs instead, then again, bulletins give info just as useful | Dec 27 11:01 |
| schestowitz | so discarding that idea | Dec 27 11:01 |
| schestowitz | we need html of some kind | Dec 27 11:01 |
| vZS1_2 | Yeah. The hrefs are important | Dec 27 11:01 |
| schestowitz | something like and portable | Dec 27 11:02 |
| vZS1_2 | HTML and css are plenty portable and light | Dec 27 11:02 |
| vZS1_2 | It's the junk on top that needs to go | Dec 27 11:02 |
| schestowitz | https://www.torproject.org/ | Dec 27 11:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.torproject.org | Tor Project | Anonymity Online | Dec 27 11:02 | |
| schestowitz | too noisy | Dec 27 11:02 |
| schestowitz | this whole "scroll for a story" design | Dec 27 11:03 |
| schestowitz | I have those | Dec 27 11:03 |
| schestowitz | some gnu/linux distros adopted it | Dec 27 11:03 |
| schestowitz | I think Mozilla started it | Dec 27 11:03 |
| schestowitz | *I hate those | Dec 27 11:03 |
| schestowitz | I think their sole goal is to SELL you a download | Dec 27 11:03 |
| schestowitz | like a marketing/advertising brochure | Dec 27 11:04 |
| schestowitz | http://openbsd.org/ | Dec 27 11:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.openbsd.org | OpenBSD | Dec 27 11:04 | |
| schestowitz | same design as https://www.libressl.org/ | Dec 27 11:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.libressl.org | LibreSSL | Dec 27 11:05 | |
| schestowitz | well, to me, that's just ugly design | Dec 27 11:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 27 11:05 |
| schestowitz | Getting Source | Dec 27 11:05 |
| schestowitz | GitHub | Dec 27 11:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 27 11:05 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Dec 27 11:05 |
| schestowitz | Nothing says "security" like a first link... to Microsoft | Dec 27 11:06 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pays them | Dec 27 11:06 |
| schestowitz | This is better: http://www.uk.netbsd.org/ | Dec 27 11:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.uk.netbsd.org | The NetBSD Project | Dec 27 11:06 | |
| schestowitz | page scales nicely, too | Dec 27 11:06 |
| schestowitz | except their menu | Dec 27 11:07 |
| schestowitz | thoughts, anybody? | Dec 27 11:07 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Maybe have it update as "this week in histor" ? | Dec 27 11:08 |
| Techrights-sec2 | A cron-like job, I would think. | Dec 27 11:08 |
| vZS1_2 | Yeah, the NetBSD one is a good example | Dec 27 11:09 |
| vZS1_2 | Minimalist | Dec 27 11:09 |
| vZS1_2 | portable | Dec 27 11:09 |
| schestowitz | they use divs and css | Dec 27 11:11 |
| schestowitz | looking at their source | Dec 27 11:11 |
| schestowitz | in-line css (or at top of <head>) can work for minimalism | Dec 27 11:12 |
| schestowitz | and be self-contained | Dec 27 11:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Yes, simple is better. Reduce wordage too. | Dec 27 11:13 |
| Techrights-sec2 | The NetBSD home page is a good example. | Dec 27 11:13 |
| vZS1_2 | Set up a script to generate the page and just update it via cron job | Dec 27 11:13 |
| schestowitz | yes, hence I want it simple | Dec 27 11:13 |
| schestowitz | it should just be like a redirection 'department' | Dec 27 11:13 |
| schestowitz | depending on what you are after | Dec 27 11:13 |
| schestowitz | linuxtoday and lxer are just blog layout | Dec 27 11:14 |
| schestowitz | a stream of random "latest news" | Dec 27 11:14 |
| vZS1_2 | Use an XML library in your favourite language of choice to make life easier | Dec 27 11:14 |
| schestowitz | but those sites are aggregators | Dec 27 11:14 |
| schestowitz | if the update script is not run, then only the front page will be out of date | Dec 27 11:15 |
| schestowitz | maybe I'll implement this locally | Dec 27 11:15 |
| schestowitz | techrights.org / index might be a suitable address as default address | Dec 27 11:16 |
| schestowitz | if it's a static page, refresh cycles will matter | Dec 27 11:18 |
| schestowitz | once a day would mean latest articles don't show up until a day later | Dec 27 11:18 |
| vZS1_2 | You can keep track of the "latest" in a simple text file. Just make sure that pointer file is up-to-date | Dec 27 11:19 |
| vZS1_2 | So you can then just set the cron job hourly | Dec 27 11:20 |
| vZS1_2 | If the pointer files change, the root page gets new stuff | Dec 27 11:21 |
| vZS1_2 | That way all you need to do is manage the pointer files | Dec 27 11:21 |
| schestowitz | if it was drupal, I'd use drush | Dec 27 11:21 |
| schestowitz | does wordpress have cli tools? | Dec 27 11:22 |
| vZS1_2 | It has an API | Dec 27 11:22 |
| vZS1_2 | I believe the API is REST and PHP-native | Dec 27 11:22 |
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| vZS1_2 | But there are libraries for it in pretty much every popular language | Dec 27 11:22 |
| schestowitz | tempting to just use iframes somehow, but it's bad practice | Dec 27 11:23 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&printable=yes | Dec 27 11:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Main Page - Techrights | Dec 27 11:24 | |
| schestowitz | can't find a simple CLI tool for converting rss feed into a list of links | Dec 27 11:30 |
| schestowitz | https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/parsing-rss-news-feed-bash-script | Dec 27 11:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com | Parsing an RSS News Feed with a Bash Script | Linux Journal | Dec 27 11:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://opensource.com/article/20/2/newsboat | Dec 27 11:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Revive your RSS feed with Newsboat in the Linux terminal | Opensource.com | Dec 27 11:31 | |
| schestowitz | surely this was done before | Dec 27 11:31 |
| schestowitz | no need to write code for it again | Dec 27 11:31 |
| schestowitz | https://bavotasan.com/2010/display-rss-feed-with-php/ | Dec 27 11:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An Easy Way to Display an RSS Feed with PHP - bavotasan.com | Dec 27 11:32 | |
| schestowitz | but that would make our front page dynamic | Dec 27 11:32 |
| schestowitz | and maybe call the rss feed url each time someone loads the root url | Dec 27 11:32 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: http://techrights.org/index/ | Dec 27 11:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | NO TITLE | Dec 27 11:35 | |
| schestowitz | in PHP, dynamic | Dec 27 11:35 |
| schestowitz | Now, for ipfs index | Dec 27 11:36 |
| schestowitz | I can fetch that from techrights.org/ipfs/txt | Dec 27 11:37 |
| schestowitz | tail | cut | Dec 27 11:37 |
| schestowitz | for latest CID | Dec 27 11:37 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Good and simple for the middle part of a layout like the NetBSD page. | Dec 27 11:38 |
| schestowitz | I suppose I could just, instead, link that that page | Dec 27 11:38 |
| vZS1_2 | Looking good so far | Dec 27 11:39 |
| schestowitz | along with http://techrights.org/ipfs/ | Dec 27 11:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index | Dec 27 11:39 | |
| schestowitz | now, for bulletins | Dec 27 11:39 |
| schestowitz | we don't always generate them at the same time, so it's not so predictable | Dec 27 11:39 |
| vZS1_2 | That's why I said use pointer files | Dec 27 11:39 |
| vZS1_2 | That way you separate the logic of the root page sections and the content that goes in those sections | Dec 27 11:40 |
| *schestowitz thinking | Dec 27 11:41 | |
| vZS1_2 | So you can have periodic section refresh and that changes wrt what's in the pointer files | Dec 27 11:41 |
| schestowitz | I want something that does not need any manual maintenance | Dec 27 11:41 |
| schestowitz | I can do some php | Dec 27 11:42 |
| schestowitz | for the date | Dec 27 11:42 |
| schestowitz | oh, wait | Dec 27 11:42 |
| schestowitz | LOL! | Dec 27 11:42 |
| schestowitz | /txt is alreadty latest | Dec 27 11:42 |
| schestowitz | so problem solved | Dec 27 11:42 |
| schestowitz | and then link to index | Dec 27 11:42 |
| schestowitz | ok, for ipfs you said just links to the index would suffice | Dec 27 11:42 |
| schestowitz | /txt is actually a copy, not a pointer | Dec 27 11:43 |
| schestowitz | as a pointer would have to be recreated each day | Dec 27 11:43 |
| schestowitz | you cannot do dynamic pointers/hardlinks/softlinks in this filesystem afaik | Dec 27 11:43 |
| vZS1_2 | Well that sucks | Dec 27 11:43 |
| schestowitz | I have a Q | Dec 27 11:44 |
| schestowitz | when you say latest wiki | Dec 27 11:44 |
| schestowitz | what do you mean? | Dec 27 11:44 |
| vZS1_2 | The latest post in the Wiki | Dec 27 11:44 |
| vZS1_2 | AKA "most recent addition" | Dec 27 11:44 |
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| schestowitz | all we have is http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Special:RecentChanges | Dec 27 11:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Recent changes - Techrights | Dec 27 11:44 | |
| vZS1_2 | That works | Dec 27 11:45 |
| schestowitz | There is no http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Special:RecentChanges SPACE &printable=yes | Dec 27 11:45 |
| schestowitz | it's not supported | Dec 27 11:45 |
| schestowitz | so you end up hauling in lots of non html crap | Dec 27 11:45 |
| vZS1_2 | You could just put a simple link to the Wiki's root page, then. | Dec 27 11:46 |
| schestowitz | it deals well with VERY narrow span | Dec 27 11:46 |
| vZS1_2 | And a short description about what the Wiki is just above the link | Dec 27 11:46 |
| schestowitz | so could irame that page | Dec 27 11:46 |
| schestowitz | but that would introduce bloat | Dec 27 11:46 |
| schestowitz | I am not sure I can easily pipe this into ... oH wait | Dec 27 11:47 |
| schestowitz | it's also an RSS feed | Dec 27 11:47 |
| schestowitz | hmmm... but too bloated | Dec 27 11:47 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=rss | Dec 27 11:47 |
| vZS1_2 | That RSS feed is for machines not humans | Dec 27 11:48 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/index/ | Dec 27 11:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | NO TITLE | Dec 27 11:49 | |
| schestowitz | how's that? | Dec 27 11:49 |
| schestowitz | I can hack on it a bit | Dec 27 11:49 |
| schestowitz | BUT... is that output of much use to visitors? | Dec 27 11:49 |
| schestowitz | latest wiki edits are usually URL additions | Dec 27 11:49 |
| schestowitz | indices | Dec 27 11:49 |
| vZS1_2 | IMO, get rid of everything in that and only keep the titles and "posted" filed | Dec 27 11:50 |
| vZS1_2 | s/filed/field | Dec 27 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | Like such: http://techrights.org/index/ | Dec 27 11:55 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: need to cull out dupes | Dec 27 11:56 |
| schestowitz | but they link to different changes | Dec 27 11:56 |
| vZS1_2 | Yes. Much better | Dec 27 11:56 |
| schestowitz | when you click you see the edits | Dec 27 11:56 |
| vZS1_2 | The colours definitely help | Dec 27 11:57 |
| schestowitz | now it shows latest 3 | Dec 27 11:58 |
| schestowitz | and no cruft | Dec 27 11:58 |
| schestowitz | the colours can be fixed with in-file css | Dec 27 11:59 |
| schestowitz | only a couple of links in <head> | Dec 27 11:59 |
| schestowitz | I used to always do it like that 15 years ago or more | Dec 27 11:59 |
| schestowitz | than the "frameworks cult" took over | Dec 27 11:59 |
| schestowitz | with MASSIVE VS "libs" and css neutral networks ;-) | Dec 27 11:59 |
| schestowitz | I know they're not neutral networks | Dec 27 11:59 |
| schestowitz | but it's hard to keep track of what the F is going on | Dec 27 11:59 |
| schestowitz | "where did this style come from?" WHICH of those 12 CSS files? | Dec 27 12:00 |
| vZS1_2 | >and no cruft | Dec 27 12:01 |
| vZS1_2 | Yep. Just checked | Dec 27 12:01 |
| schestowitz | I don't use newlines yet | Dec 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | do we want bulletpoints? | Dec 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | generic? | Dec 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | and no headine styles | Dec 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | heading | Dec 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | not headline | Dec 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | later I will table-ise it | Dec 27 12:07 |
| schestowitz | don't want to use css | Dec 27 12:07 |
| vZS1_2 | I wouldn't use any tables | Dec 27 12:08 |
| vZS1_2 | Just divide major sections with lines | Dec 27 12:08 |
| vZS1_2 | The headings are clear enough delimiters | Dec 27 12:08 |
| vZS1_2 | bulletin | Dec 27 12:08 |
| vZS1_2 | --- | Dec 27 12:08 |
| vZS1_2 | wiki | Dec 27 12:08 |
| vZS1_2 | --- | Dec 27 12:08 |
| vZS1_2 | this week in history | Dec 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | I have not added delimiters yet | Dec 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | need to decide before I do something that would then change | Dec 27 12:09 |
| vZS1_2 | inside each individual section, the headings make the distinction clear enough | Dec 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | alos <hr /> | Dec 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | *also | Dec 27 12:09 |
| schestowitz | bullets are delimiters | Dec 27 12:09 |
| vZS1_2 | hr is what I meant | Dec 27 12:09 |
| vZS1_2 | <hr/> | Dec 27 12:10 |
| vZS1_2 | or however you do it | Dec 27 12:10 |
| vZS1_2 | Let's see what it looks like with just <hr/> and no bullets? | Dec 27 12:10 |
| vZS1_2 | We can decide after that if bullets add to it much | Dec 27 12:10 |
| schestowitz | upload of nokia video now finished | Dec 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | I added headling styles | Dec 27 12:11 |
| schestowitz | refesh page | Dec 27 12:12 |
| vZS1_2 | I think bullets are unnecessary | Dec 27 12:12 |
| vZS1_2 | Looks good as is | Dec 27 12:12 |
| vZS1_2 | I wouldn't put 4 main sections | Dec 27 12:14 |
| vZS1_2 | Let's put Daily Bulletin in the left column instead | Dec 27 12:14 |
| schestowitz | now it's all a table, with 3 columns | Dec 27 12:14 |
| vZS1_2 | Since it's only 2 links | Dec 27 12:14 |
| schestowitz | will add rss to <head> | Dec 27 12:14 |
| schestowitz | <link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="RSS 2.0" href="http://techrights.org/feed/" /> | Dec 27 12:15 |
| vZS1_2 | 3 rows you mean? | Dec 27 12:15 |
| schestowitz | no | Dec 27 12:15 |
| schestowitz | columns | Dec 27 12:15 |
| schestowitz | those are technically now rows, they're hr-separated | Dec 27 12:15 |
| vZS1_2 | Ah | Dec 27 12:16 |
| schestowitz | I have moved bulletin to the left | Dec 27 12:17 |
| schestowitz | refresh and see | Dec 27 12:17 |
| schestowitz | it seems to center-align by default, vertically | Dec 27 12:17 |
| vZS1_2 | Good stuff | Dec 27 12:17 |
| vZS1_2 | Maybe a border around each column would help | Dec 27 12:18 |
| vZS1_2 | Just a bold line border | Dec 27 12:19 |
| schestowitz | now the rhs column is used | Dec 27 12:19 |
| schestowitz | ok, wait | Dec 27 12:19 |
| schestowitz | border add | Dec 27 12:20 |
| schestowitz | "look ma! No css!!" | Dec 27 12:20 |
| vZS1_2 | Better | Dec 27 12:21 |
| vZS1_2 | The right column is cluttered | Dec 27 12:21 |
| vZS1_2 | RSS | Dec 27 12:21 |
| vZS1_2 | <hr/> | Dec 27 12:21 |
| vZS1_2 | Contact us (email) + (PGP key) | Dec 27 12:21 |
| vZS1_2 | <hr/> | Dec 27 12:21 |
| vZS1_2 | IRC link | Dec 27 12:22 |
| vZS1_2 | s/IRC link/Chat (IRC href) | Dec 27 12:22 |
| schestowitz | fixes | Dec 27 12:24 |
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| vZS1_2 | Better | Dec 27 12:26 |
| schestowitz | pgp roy.pgp | Dec 27 12:26 |
| schestowitz | gpg: WARNING: no command supplied. Trying to guess what you mean ... | Dec 27 12:26 |
| schestowitz | pub rsa4096 2015-10-29 [SCA] | Dec 27 12:26 |
| schestowitz | F129D6C587632660C86ABDFF298DE3EB880A3EC9 | Dec 27 12:26 |
| schestowitz | I don't need to help spammers | Dec 27 12:26 |
| schestowitz | by giving my email address | Dec 27 12:26 |
| schestowitz | it's in the pgp | Dec 27 12:26 |
| vZS1_2 | Fair enough | Dec 27 12:26 |
| schestowitz | if people know where to dump the pgp string, they'll understand what the email it corresponds to is | Dec 27 12:27 |
| schestowitz | pgp outputs it | Dec 27 12:27 |
| schestowitz | uid Roy Schestowitz <[MY EMAIL]> | Dec 27 12:27 |
| schestowitz | sub rsa4096 2015-10-29 [E] | Dec 27 12:27 |
| vZS1_2 | Just a few more of the data boxes and we're done | Dec 27 12:28 |
| schestowitz | date added | Dec 27 12:30 |
| schestowitz | need time?! | Dec 27 12:31 |
| vZS1_2 | Can leave that out | Dec 27 12:31 |
| schestowitz | "what time is it, ma? | Dec 27 12:31 |
| vZS1_2 | IPFS links and search how-to remaining | Dec 27 12:31 |
| schestowitz | "go to techrights.org, it'll tell you" | Dec 27 12:31 |
| vZS1_2 | You can put those two in the left column | Dec 27 12:32 |
| vZS1_2 | That balances things out | Dec 27 12:32 |
| schestowitz | we can add other stuff there | Dec 27 12:32 |
| vZS1_2 | I wouldn't add anything else | Dec 27 12:33 |
| vZS1_2 | There's enough as is | Dec 27 12:33 |
| vZS1_2 | Also, Date is missing month and year | Dec 27 12:33 |
| schestowitz | ok, all done now | Dec 27 12:34 |
| schestowitz | in skeletal mode at least | Dec 27 12:34 |
| vZS1_2 | What about link to the search pages? | Dec 27 12:35 |
| vZS1_2 | I don't see it | Dec 27 12:35 |
| schestowitz | will use DATE_RFC2822 | Dec 27 12:35 |
| schestowitz | Sun, 27 Dec 2020 12:35:51 +0000 | Dec 27 12:36 |
| vZS1_2 | Good call | Dec 27 12:36 |
| schestowitz | no css so far | Dec 27 12:37 |
| schestowitz | or images | Dec 27 12:37 |
| schestowitz | not even inline | Dec 27 12:37 |
| vZS1_2 | I think it's fine as it is | Dec 27 12:37 |
| schestowitz | I want to check sizes of windows | Dec 27 12:38 |
| vZS1_2 | People can see the CSS and images in the actual posts | Dec 27 12:38 |
| vZS1_2 | Index should me minimal | Dec 27 12:38 |
| schestowitz | seems to scale 'smartly' | Dec 27 12:38 |
| schestowitz | leaving more room for the middle | Dec 27 12:38 |
| schestowitz | index is not fast though | Dec 27 12:38 |
| schestowitz | because it runs pgp | Dec 27 12:38 |
| schestowitz | *php | Dec 27 12:38 |
| vZS1_2 | We should optimise readability | Dec 27 12:39 |
| vZS1_2 | It's fast enough | Dec 27 12:39 |
| schestowitz | valign fixed | Dec 27 12:40 |
| schestowitz | for the left | Dec 27 12:40 |
| vZS1_2 | Right got fixed too | Dec 27 12:41 |
| schestowitz | now the right | Dec 27 12:41 |
| vZS1_2 | Looking cleaner | Dec 27 12:41 |
| schestowitz | fixed cause I changed it | Dec 27 12:41 |
| schestowitz | check for broken links... | Dec 27 12:41 |
| schestowitz | rss broken | Dec 27 12:42 |
| schestowitz | fixed | Dec 27 12:42 |
| scientes | XRevan86, Did you check out that cool Russian/USSR VLIW chip? | Dec 27 12:43 |
| scientes | XRevan86, I find it hard to be motivated to do cool projects in computing because of volume of assholes in this field | Dec 27 12:44 |
| scientes | it is not the technical assholes, I actually kinda like them | Dec 27 12:44 |
| vZS1_2 | Checked all the links | Dec 27 12:45 |
| vZS1_2 | OK on all | Dec 27 12:45 |
| schestowitz | what border style to change to? | Dec 27 12:46 |
| schestowitz | https://www.w3schools.com/cssref/pr_border-style.asp | Dec 27 12:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.w3schools.com | CSS border-style property | Dec 27 12:46 | |
| schestowitz | I think solid lines like the current ones look awful | Dec 27 12:47 |
| vZS1_2 | The current border isn't solid line | Dec 27 12:48 |
| vZS1_2 | It's spaced lines | Dec 27 12:49 |
| vZS1_2 | Was just about to bring that up | Dec 27 12:49 |
| vZS1_2 | Just regular solid is my recommendation | Dec 27 12:49 |
| schestowitz | people are now pushed to use css https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_table.asp | Dec 27 12:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.w3schools.com | HTML table tag | Dec 27 12:50 | |
| schestowitz | even when you don't need or want css | Dec 27 12:50 |
| vZS1_2 | It's a small amount of CSS | Dec 27 12:51 |
| vZS1_2 | Solid black should contrast nicely with the white background | Dec 27 12:53 |
| schestowitz | vZS1_2: how about now? | Dec 27 12:54 |
| schestowitz | hr is enough for separators imho | Dec 27 12:54 |
| vZS1_2 | That works too | Dec 27 12:55 |
| vZS1_2 | I'd reduce the size of the IPFS header | Dec 27 12:55 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: USSR VLIW… Elbrus? | Dec 27 12:55 |
| schestowitz | does it look ok to you? | Dec 27 12:55 |
| schestowitz | this is, after all, based on your design/prototype | Dec 27 12:55 |
| schestowitz | so your call | Dec 27 12:55 |
| vZS1_2 | Hold on actually | Dec 27 12:55 |
| vZS1_2 | Don't reduce the size | Dec 27 12:56 |
| vZS1_2 | Put an <hr/> after IPFS section | Dec 27 12:56 |
| vZS1_2 | That's what was missing | Dec 27 12:56 |
| vZS1_2 | Since you got rid of the borders | Dec 27 12:56 |
| vZS1_2 | Same for time | Dec 27 12:56 |
| vZS1_2 | date/time | Dec 27 12:57 |
| vZS1_2 | This borderless layout looks nicer | Dec 27 12:58 |
| schestowitz | made some more light edits | Dec 27 12:59 |
| vZS1_2 | It should display good on mobile too | Dec 27 12:59 |
| vZS1_2 | Still missing border under date/time | Dec 27 13:00 |
| vZS1_2 | s/border/<hr/> | Dec 27 13:01 |
| scientes | yeah elbrus | Dec 27 13:01 |
| schestowitz | added hr | Dec 27 13:01 |
| vZS1_2 | Perfect | Dec 27 13:02 |
| schestowitz | I'll make hr fancier | Dec 27 13:02 |
| vZS1_2 | I think it's good as is | Dec 27 13:02 |
| schestowitz | no need for css | Dec 27 13:02 |
| vZS1_2 | Looks smashing on mobile too | Dec 27 13:02 |
| vZS1_2 | fits perfectly on screen | Dec 27 13:02 |
| schestowitz | look at https://css-tricks.com/examples/hrs/ | Dec 27 13:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-css-tricks.com | Simple Styles for <hr>'s | Dec 27 13:02 | |
| schestowitz | no css | Dec 27 13:02 |
| schestowitz | without css you can choose size | Dec 27 13:02 |
| schestowitz | and it makes an effect | Dec 27 13:02 |
| schestowitz | with css you can do other stuff inline | Dec 27 13:02 |
| vZS1_2 | Can everyone else take a look on their mobile devices? http://techrights.org/index | Dec 27 13:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | NO TITLE | Dec 27 13:03 | |
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| vZS1_2 | I think the question mark <hr/>s are unnecessary | Dec 27 13:09 |
| vZS1_2 | it looked more elegant with simple <hr/> imo | Dec 27 13:09 |
| vZS1_2 | The T is nicer | Dec 27 13:12 |
| vZS1_2 | These <hr/>s don't scale well | Dec 27 13:14 |
| vZS1_2 | When you zoom in the white background of the icon in the middle obstructs text | Dec 27 13:14 |
| vZS1_2 | See "RSS feed" when you zoom in | Dec 27 13:15 |
| vZS1_2 | And date | Dec 27 13:15 |
| vZS1_2 | Happens with all of them, even question mark | Dec 27 13:16 |
| vZS1_2 | That's why I prefer just plain <hr/> | Dec 27 13:16 |
| schestowitz | added meta | Dec 27 13:16 |
| schestowitz | yes, I am adding some charset stuff now | Dec 27 13:17 |
| vZS1_2 | I don't think that'll fix it. But you can give it a shot | Dec 27 13:18 |
| schestowitz | let me use grey shades, with css | Dec 27 13:22 |
| schestowitz | for separating sections | Dec 27 13:22 |
| schestowitz | I've not done these gradients in ages | Dec 27 13:22 |
| vZS1_2 | I think the shading etc is unnecessary | Dec 27 13:26 |
| vZS1_2 | Getting it to mesh well with layouts is a PITA | Dec 27 13:26 |
| schestowitz | ok, try now, it's not finished though | Dec 27 13:27 |
| vZS1_2 | Prefer the plain white | Dec 27 13:27 |
| vZS1_2 | Like Wikipedia | Dec 27 13:27 |
| schestowitz | we can brighten it a bit | Dec 27 13:28 |
| vZS1_2 | The colour isn't serving a functional purpose here | Dec 27 13:29 |
| vZS1_2 | It's actually making it harder to discern where things are blocked into sections | Dec 27 13:29 |
| vZS1_2 | If you're doing colour, keep it restrained to individual sections | Dec 27 13:29 |
| vZS1_2 | It's bleeding into everything rn | Dec 27 13:30 |
| vZS1_2 | Disrupts visual comprehension | Dec 27 13:30 |
| vZS1_2 | The old home page suffers from this as well | Dec 27 13:31 |
| schestowitz | ok, let's change | Dec 27 13:31 |
| vZS1_2 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page | Dec 27 13:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Dec 27 13:32 | |
| vZS1_2 | That's a good example of colour done right | Dec 27 13:32 |
| vZS1_2 | No bleeding | Dec 27 13:32 |
| vZS1_2 | Functional use | Dec 27 13:32 |
| vZS1_2 | comfortable contrast | Dec 27 13:33 |
| schestowitz | I made it show latest 15 posts | Dec 27 13:33 |
| vZS1_2 | Too much | Dec 27 13:34 |
| vZS1_2 | No longer a small page | Dec 27 13:34 |
| vZS1_2 | I'd say cap it at 3-5 | Dec 27 13:34 |
| vZS1_2 | The original idea was only 1 | Dec 27 13:35 |
| vZS1_2 | With a link to all the rest | Dec 27 13:35 |
| schestowitz | now it number the links | Dec 27 13:42 |
| schestowitz | ok, shortening to latest 5 | Dec 27 13:42 |
| schestowitz | 4 | Dec 27 13:42 |
| schestowitz | liks four freedoms | Dec 27 13:43 |
| schestowitz | 0..4 | Dec 27 13:43 |
| schestowitz | 00.3 | Dec 27 13:43 |
| vZS1_2 | Colour gradient still bleeding into everything | Dec 27 13:49 |
| vZS1_2 | Why not try a light blue background with uniform gradient? | Dec 27 13:50 |
| vZS1_2 | i.e. no gradient at all | Dec 27 13:50 |
| vZS1_2 | To go with the anchor motif | Dec 27 13:50 |
| schestowitz | I will change the colours | Dec 27 13:51 |
| vZS1_2 | #99CCFF is a good one | Dec 27 13:51 |
| schestowitz | they get too dark | Dec 27 13:51 |
| vZS1_2 | Very modern | Dec 27 13:51 |
| vZS1_2 | Try this https://www.colorhexa.com/99ccff | Dec 27 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.colorhexa.com | #99ccff hex color (#9cf) | Dec 27 13:52 | |
| vZS1_2 | Good tool | Dec 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | the problem, I think, is the strength of the tones | Dec 27 13:56 |
| schestowitz | i am toning them down now | Dec 27 13:57 |
| vZS1_2 | It's still conflicting with the hr blocks | Dec 27 14:00 |
| vZS1_2 | The gradient doesn't complement the separation of the lines | Dec 27 14:01 |
| vZS1_2 | I should say "separation imposed by the lines" | Dec 27 14:02 |
| schestowitz | the tones are much softer now http://techrights.org/index/ | Dec 27 14:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Welcome to Techrights | Dec 27 14:06 | |
| schestowitz | no images in this page | Dec 27 14:07 |
| schestowitz | no peripheral css | Dec 27 14:07 |
| vZS1_2 | That's better but it's still bleeding at the top | Dec 27 14:07 |
| schestowitz | and it created a load only on the wordpress back end and wiki back end for rss | Dec 27 14:07 |
| schestowitz | will work on the top bleed | Dec 27 14:07 |
| schestowitz | try now | Dec 27 14:08 |
| Techrights-sec2 | ack | Dec 27 14:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Can the columns be made to stack on top of eachother vertically when | Dec 27 14:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | the window is narrowed significantly? | Dec 27 14:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | There is some CSS for that somewere. | Dec 27 14:09 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather now use CSS for page structure, css is just doing little cosmetic things | Dec 27 14:09 |
| Techrights-sec2 | See one way for that : https://www.deccanchronicle.com/ | Dec 27 14:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.deccanchronicle.com | Deccan Chronicle - Latest India news | Breaking news | Hyderabad News | World news | Business news | Politics | Technology news | Dec 27 14:09 | |
| schestowitz | at the moment it seems like width is coped with ok until it's like less than 500px wide | Dec 27 14:10 |
| schestowitz | making the title smaller might improve that a bit | Dec 27 14:11 |
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| Techrights-sec2 | I disagree. If you increase the size of the font then the columns become | Dec 27 14:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | unreadable. The layout is great as it is with small fonts but the | Dec 27 14:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | big ones kill the layout. THere's some small but easy tweak to make the page | Dec 27 14:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | scale both in regards to window size, window aspect ratio, and font sizes. | Dec 27 14:12 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Try ctrl-+ about four or five times... | Dec 27 14:12 |
| vZS1_2 | Techrights-sec2: "making the title SMALLER might improve that a bit" | Dec 27 14:13 |
| vZS1_2 | Maybe you misread? | Dec 27 14:13 |
| Techrights-sec2 | See one way for that : https://www.deccanchronicle.com/ | Dec 27 14:13 |
| Techrights-sec2 | https://www.ibtimes.co.in/ | Dec 27 14:13 |
| Techrights-sec2 | That would pre-empt some problems with usability and help some mobile users too | Dec 27 14:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.co.in | Latest News, Breaking News, Top News & Updates in India | IBTimes India | Dec 27 14:13 | |
| vZS1_2 | I agree with reducing the titles in size a bit | Dec 27 14:13 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Try ctrl-+ about four or five times... | Dec 27 14:14 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Oh. I see the problem. Under the hood the layout is in a table. | Dec 27 14:14 |
| Techrights-sec2 | We can make it look the same for a default window using CSS. | Dec 27 14:14 |
| vZS1_2 | schestowitz: you fixed the bleed at the top. | Dec 27 14:14 |
| schestowitz | h1 now smaller | Dec 27 14:14 |
| schestowitz | 188% | Dec 27 14:15 |
| schestowitz | retry now | Dec 27 14:16 |
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| vZS1_2 | Better | Dec 27 14:16 |
| Techrights-sec2 | much better but still a table | Dec 27 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Deliberate choice, we want to avoid too modern... so no divs... right from the get-go, as planned | Dec 27 14:17 |
| vZS1_2 | The gradient just above the Wiki could use some softening | Dec 27 14:17 |
| schestowitz | there are good fallbacks for lack of css support as well | Dec 27 14:17 |
| vZS1_2 | Scaling is fine on mobile with tables | Dec 27 14:18 |
| vZS1_2 | The middle column gets resized dynamically | Dec 27 14:18 |
| vZS1_2 | That's what we want | Dec 27 14:18 |
| vZS1_2 | Doesn't affect readability | Dec 27 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Can anyone write a "this week in history text"? | Dec 27 14:18 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Lack of css is only in curl and wget and lynx and links. | Dec 27 14:19 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Those will deal with DIV fine. | Dec 27 14:19 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Is there a way to just have some links from a calendar file? | Dec 27 14:19 |
| schestowitz | will look into it | Dec 27 14:19 |
| vZS1_2 | Probably good to scrape the Wiki for "this week in history" for data | Dec 27 14:20 |
| schestowitz | BTW, re fonts | Dec 27 14:20 |
| schestowitz | what do different systems use by default? | Dec 27 14:20 |
| schestowitz | I assume they use some sane and OK font | Dec 27 14:20 |
| schestowitz | and no need to instruct browsers to use any particular one | Dec 27 14:21 |
| vZS1_2 | It's fine as is | Dec 27 14:21 |
| schestowitz | ok, good | Dec 27 14:21 |
| schestowitz | user default | Dec 27 14:21 |
| schestowitz | always best | Dec 27 14:21 |
| schestowitz | leave it to the user | Dec 27 14:21 |
| vZS1_2 | Firefox uses DejaVu | Dec 27 14:21 |
| vZS1_2 | Pages displays fine with defaults | Dec 27 14:22 |
| vZS1_2 | I checked that every time | Dec 27 14:22 |
| Techrights-sec2 | The if articles are "tagged" with keywords then the keyword search can be the link and won't need updating should there be more articles, maybe. | Dec 27 14:22 |
| schestowitz | OK, I will release the nokia post | Dec 27 14:22 |
| vZS1_2 | Still think gradient in the middle above the wiki is too jarring | Dec 27 14:25 |
| vZS1_2 | The top half is good. Can't see any hard separation | Dec 27 14:26 |
| vZS1_2 | The last bit is good too | Dec 27 14:28 |
| vZS1_2 | It's just that blue-to-green one that's still not soft enough | Dec 27 14:28 |
| vZS1_2 | Going to hop off now | Dec 27 14:36 |
| vZS1_2 | Overall, big improvement | Dec 27 14:36 |
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| vZS1_2 | I've checked from 30% to 300% and nothing breaks | Dec 27 14:37 |
| schestowitz | just released the nokia article | Dec 27 14:38 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/12/27/microsoft-nokia-history/ | Dec 27 14:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Video: How Microsoft Killed Nokia and Harmed an Entire Country | Techrights | Dec 27 14:38 | |
| schestowitz | you said you were new to all this, vZS1_2 | Dec 27 14:38 |
| vZS1_2 | Yeah, haven't really looked into internal politics of Nokia nor Yahoo | Dec 27 14:39 |
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| vZS1 | I've skimmed the Nokia post | Dec 27 14:45 |
| vZS1 | Didn't catch any obvious typos | Dec 27 14:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fonts? Dunno what Windows 10 uses but it looks fine. They didn't get fonts and icons that looked okay until Windows 7. A full decade after BeOS got smooth fonts and SVG icons. | Dec 27 14:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | DuckDuckGo info seems disturbing. I was in their IRC room a decade ago when they were first starting up and it seemed like they found a business model that wasn't outright evil and that they would open source a lot of their stuff. | Dec 27 14:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They did come up with some new search features which Google and Bing quickly copied. | Dec 27 14:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't imagine that DuckDuckGo is worse for privacy than those. | Dec 27 14:50 |
| Techrights-sec2 | I'll look into the wrapping. It may take a day or two. | Dec 27 14:50 |
| Techrights-sec2 | Ok Wrapping is set. Check e-mail. | Dec 27 14:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For starters, Google has always aggravated me that you are pressured to sign in and then it logs your searches. | Dec 27 14:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No doubt that they are associating all of your activity to you. | Dec 27 14:51 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: the video was done without planning | Dec 27 14:51 |
| schestowitz | but I think it covers some key aspects | Dec 27 14:51 |
| schestowitz | OK, I found a way to fetch posts from "today last year" or "today 10 years ago" etc. | Dec 27 14:58 |
| schestowitz | worth showing them? if so, for what timespan, how many posts etc.? | Dec 27 14:58 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: new div version http://techrights.org/index/mobile/ fluid layout, scale it down and see | Dec 27 15:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Welcome to Techrights | Dec 27 15:28 | |
| vZS1 | Looks alright | Dec 27 15:31 |
| vZS1 | Checked on phone | Dec 27 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | all tested | Dec 27 16:31 |
| schestowitz | redirection from root now intact | Dec 27 16:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://lonm.vivaldi.net/2020/12/21/crippled-e-books-are-worthless/ | Dec 27 16:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lonm.vivaldi.net | Crippled e-books are worthless | LonM's Blog | Dec 27 16:39 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, not new. When Mandy said he needed a book for college I'd go find a copy somewhere. | Dec 27 16:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like it wasn't bad enough that some community college was charging $9,000 a semester and for terrible student health insurance he couldn't even use. | Dec 27 16:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then you have to go out and pay hundreds more for "books", and not even real books, or books that anyone could use again (because they make minor changes each year and then update the tests so they need something from the new version). | Dec 27 16:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I pretty much cut the college out because there was no longer any point. After Maricel got ahold of the international student advisor and told her that she would not renew Mandy's support affidavit for the student visa, I could have technically enrolled him for this last semester, but all it would have done was cost money, and for immediate relative adjustment of status, you do not need to have been in | Dec 27 16:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | status at all times so long as you entered the country legally. | Dec 27 16:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And none of the stuff he was studying was going to be of any use. The only people making money on it are the state workers who teach it and the administrators and the folks writing books. | Dec 27 16:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For everyone else, you'll be the most well versed grocery stocker at Walmart in ancient Greek culture, with only $40,000 in student loans. | Dec 27 16:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For the most part, college is a liberal indoctrination scam and a license to steal money from the people who are dumb enough to go there and sign up for it. | Dec 27 16:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sure, there are useful things being taught at community college, but unless you want to study like basic software design or health occupations or how to become a mechanic, don't bother. | Dec 27 16:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They say "Oh, but it makes for a better informed public who will be more able to participate in society.", and, you know, they lie through their teeth because it's just a license to steal and a way to force the people that sign up for it to read a bunch of far-left artsy fartsy crap. | Dec 27 16:48 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | That's a luxury that people with first world problems have, sometimes. Like mjg59. | Dec 27 16:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He who presumes to speak for the supposedly oppressed. | Dec 27 16:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because it's not at all insulting to suppose that they're too dumb to articulate their own problems. | Dec 27 16:49 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Trumpism is the extreme reaction that these people provoked... | Dec 27 16:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I say that again....provoked. | Dec 27 16:50 |
| schestowitz | google speaksing for the oppressed | Dec 27 16:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | By ridiculing people who work in blue collar professions, repairing their cars and water heaters, and showing outright contempt for them. | Dec 27 16:51 |
| schestowitz | on what salary exactly? | Dec 27 16:51 |
| schestowitz | more than a black person in Oakland I guess | Dec 27 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | like "raise the roof" feminism | Dec 27 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | where presidential candidates worth hundreds of millions speak 'for' oppressed women | Dec 27 16:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, when you keep pushing people who work on your car saying they're a big dumb ape who just doesn't get which fork to use for the salad.....uncivilized swine, clinging to guns and bibles... | Dec 27 16:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What the actual fuck do you think will happen, eventually? | Dec 27 16:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Obviously you can't sort this mess out and that's why you brought it to them. | Dec 27 16:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I suppose that if Microsoft, Apple, Google, and IBM would hire an equally capable black engineer then more of them would go and invest in studying. | Dec 27 16:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You don't invest in something where the people who went before you got a "We'll call you!" and the door slammed in their face. | Dec 27 16:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's still no consequences for them being like three times as likely to politely ask a black candidate to leave, so they do whatever they want. | Dec 27 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft BLM http://techrights.org/2009/08/25/white-people-in-poland/ | Dec 27 16:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Wants Only White People in Poland | Techrights | Dec 27 16:57 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | We're constantly told what the problem is, but the people who could solve it don't want to, and nothing forces them to do so. | Dec 27 16:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they don't. | Dec 27 16:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Head surgery. | Dec 27 16:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Photoshop Edition | Dec 27 16:59 |
| schestowitz | any ideas for techrights top header motif for 2021? | Dec 27 17:02 |
| schestowitz | time to take down the xmas motif | Dec 27 17:02 |
| schestowitz | I can make a new one | Dec 27 17:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Dunno, but I have noticed that sometimes I still have to click refresh to get style sheets to load in Chromium browsers. | Dec 27 17:04 |
| schestowitz | techrights ones? | Dec 27 17:04 |
| schestowitz | what will be the 2021 theme? | Dec 27 17:04 |
| schestowitz | except corona? | Dec 27 17:04 |
| schestowitz | don't want to have diseases in the top banner | Dec 27 17:04 |
| schestowitz | lol hope change biden | Dec 27 17:04 |
| schestowitz | https://www.freeimages.com/search/shared | Dec 27 17:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free shared Images, Pictures, and Royalty-Free Stock Photos - FreeImages.com | Dec 27 17:05 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.freeimages.com/search/technology | Dec 27 17:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free technology Images, Pictures, and Royalty-Free Stock Photos - FreeImages.com | Dec 27 17:06 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | A keyboard with the Windows key in it might not be appropriate. | Dec 27 17:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And yeah, for some reason they don't always load the CSS on Techrights on the first go. | Dec 27 17:07 |
| schestowitz | hey hi | Dec 27 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | clown computing | Dec 27 17:07 |
| schestowitz | 2021 | Dec 27 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: first time I heard of such a CSS issue | Dec 27 17:07 |
| schestowitz | did not encounter this myself | Dec 27 17:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Earlier versions of HTML made for fairly compact websites that could be easily preserved. | Dec 27 17:07 |
| schestowitz | fth? https://www.freeimages.com/photo/funky-firewall-1497858 | Dec 27 17:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free Funky Firewall Stock Photo - FreeImages.com | Dec 27 17:08 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | These AMP stacks and apps can't be preserved and cited in 20 years or even a few months. | Dec 27 17:08 |
| schestowitz | that's the idea | Dec 27 17:08 |
| schestowitz | https://www.freeimages.com/photo/industry-2-1219433 | Dec 27 17:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free Industry 2 Stock Photo - FreeImages.com | Dec 27 17:09 | |
| schestowitz | this one might be nice https://www.freeimages.com/photo/blue-1185051 | Dec 27 17:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free blue Stock Photo - FreeImages.com | Dec 27 17:13 | |
| schestowitz | brazil apparently | Dec 27 17:14 |
| schestowitz | sao paulo | Dec 27 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Andorra | Dec 27 17:15 |
| schestowitz | https://www.freeimages.com/photo/andorra-in-blue-and-white-1393727 | Dec 27 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free Andorra in Blue and White Stock Photo - FreeImages.com | Dec 27 17:15 | |
| schestowitz | but too generic and unrelated | Dec 27 17:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suppose I can combine this whole immigration thing I'm assembling into one FedEx print job. | Dec 27 17:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy asked why I don't just buy a printer. | Dec 27 17:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He said they're cheap. I told him yeah so you pay a fortune on ink. | Dec 27 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | this is last year's http://techrights.org/wp-content/themes/ocadia/images/header.jpg | Dec 27 17:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy's boss said he'd write a letter to the immigration officer saying that Mandy is employed full time there and that his prospects for continued employment are good at this time along with his salary information. | Dec 27 17:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Immigration said to bring a letter from employer and at least two months worth of pay stubs. | Dec 27 17:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz it turns out I was wrong in how they consider assets if your income isn't enough. In a good way. | Dec 27 17:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's considered to be as good as income at 1/3rd the ratio not 1/5th. It's 1/5th if it isn't your spouse as the primary sponsor. | Dec 27 17:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For whatever reason, they're much more lenient on spouses than any other type of status adjustment case (employer, other relative, etc.). | Dec 27 17:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Okay, these bank statements clearly show us as joint account holders, and the credit card statements show us as primary and authorized user. | Dec 27 17:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: One reason I took out the cards was to show immigration that we have them and are authorized users on each other's accounts. | Dec 27 17:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Adds legitimacy to comingling the assets. | Dec 27 17:30 |
| schestowitz | OK, I have changed site CSS | Dec 27 17:30 |
| schestowitz | let's focus less on your >personal< life | Dec 27 17:30 |
| scientes | vZS1, you are correct that the Koran does glorify the early military history of Islam | Dec 27 17:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sorry, working on this file. | Dec 27 17:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At least it's PDF documents. | Dec 27 17:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois hands you docx and pptx files. | Dec 27 17:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When I was appealing my FOID revocation that was fun. | Dec 27 17:31 |
| scientes | particularly the Hijra, where Mohammad and his followers returned to Mecca from Medina, assuming control of the city upon arrival | Dec 27 17:31 |
| scientes | (so much so that it has its own name) | Dec 27 17:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Many of these newer browsers try to predict what you'll do next to make it look like they perform better. | Dec 27 17:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe that has something to do with the stylesheet problems. | Dec 27 17:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or maybe it's just some kind of a race where it gets the HTML and tries to render that and then doesn't apply the stylesheet. | Dec 27 17:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Makes for a broken page, but it's unpredictable as to when it will happen. It never does in Firefox. | Dec 27 17:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Doesn't seem like many of the people in that Filipino group on Facebook know much about computers. One of them was asking what a FLAC file was and why they would choose that over an MP3. Another posted a picture of the system firmware saying the Windows bootloader was missing and someone else said reinstall the operating system (when even the troubleshooter for Windows can fix a bootloader being | Dec 27 17:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | corrupted. | Dec 27 17:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It surprises me because FLAC is so mainstream now that even Windows plays them. | Dec 27 17:37 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: I'll take a look | Dec 27 17:42 |
| XRevan86 | What's PNG and why should I use that over JPEG? | Dec 27 17:42 |
| scientes | PNG is lossless | Dec 27 17:42 |
| XRevan86 | Makes no sense, it's so big. | Dec 27 17:42 |
| scientes | so its quite different (JPEG is lossy) | Dec 27 17:42 |
| scientes | its not that big | Dec 27 17:43 |
| scientes | png is also based on gzip | Dec 27 17:43 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Next thing you'll say some meaningless words like alpha channels. | Dec 27 17:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/27/nashville-blast-investigators-examine-5g-paranoia | Dec 27 17:43 |
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| scientes | yeah it has alpha channel support too | Dec 27 17:43 |
| scientes | way better than GIF, that is for sure | Dec 27 17:43 |
| scientes | XRevan86, the general suggestion is to use jpeg for pictures, and png for more palette-based stuff | Dec 27 17:44 |
| XRevan86 | I wanted to joke about SVG, but I guess it's closer to MIDI. | Dec 27 17:44 |
| scientes | yeah i was going to say raster vs scalar | Dec 27 17:44 |
| scientes | but clearly svg is superior for more things scalar compared to png | Dec 27 17:44 |
| scientes | also inkscape can do some pretty amazing things | Dec 27 17:45 |
| scientes | PNG is based on GZIP and was basically created to evade the GIF patentson LZW compression | Dec 27 17:45 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: colour looks a lot better now | Dec 27 17:45 |
| scientes | so its part of the same patent evasion | Dec 27 17:46 |
| scientes | but in both examples you ended up with something MUCH better than what it was replacing | Dec 27 17:47 |
| scientes | the google people tried to push WebP, but that is a really stupid format | Dec 27 17:47 |
| scientes | especially as few even optimize the huffman codes in their JPEG files | Dec 27 17:47 |
| scientes | because JPEG is pretty good | Dec 27 17:47 |
| scientes | Mozilla pointed out that the biggest JPEG host, Facebook, had little interest in reducing their size | Dec 27 17:49 |
| scientes | and just runs them at like 97% compression | Dec 27 17:49 |
| scientes | XRevan86, pictures are tiny compared to video | Dec 27 17:55 |
| scientes | so who cares | Dec 27 17:55 |
| *schestowitz uploads 366 files of tuxmachines logs (annual task) | Dec 27 17:56 | |
| *scientes returns to watching 4K video | Dec 27 17:56 | |
| scientes | XRevan86, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGZ_SnNVVuo | Dec 27 18:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ancient fast-food restaurant found buried in Italy - YouTube | Dec 27 18:06 | |
| scientes | dang, Al Jazeera English gets shit views compared to RT | Dec 27 18:06 |
| scientes | and that channel gets broadcast on satellite | Dec 27 18:07 |
| scientes | unlike RT English or Spanish | Dec 27 18:07 |
| scientes | https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9089279/Archaeologists-unearth-ancient-salad-bar-Pompeii.html | Dec 27 18:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Archaeologists unearth ancient 'salad bar' at Pompeii | Daily Mail Online | Dec 27 18:08 | |
| scientes | amazing how the frescos are preserved | Dec 27 18:10 |
| scientes | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1642028/what-is-the-operator-in-c | Dec 27 18:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stackoverflow.com | What is the "-->" operator in C++? - Stack Overflow | Dec 27 18:16 | |
| scientes | hahahahahahahaha | Dec 27 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | lol | Dec 27 18:33 |
| schestowitz | "[17:43] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.theguardian.com | Nashville blast: investigators examine whether bomber had 5G paranoia | US news | The Guardian" | Dec 27 18:35 |
| schestowitz | And just like that... | Dec 27 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Media will tell is | Dec 27 18:35 |
| schestowitz | That... | Dec 27 18:35 |
| schestowitz | 5G opposition is... " 5G paranoia " | Dec 27 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Because of particular idiots | Dec 27 18:35 |
| schestowitz | all issues are void | Dec 27 18:35 |
| schestowitz | only crazies object to 5G | Dec 27 18:35 |
| schestowitz | no matter the reason | Dec 27 18:35 |
| schestowitz | I don't even want to link to such articles | Dec 27 18:35 |
| schestowitz | because I don't even know if there's any basis to all these headlines | Dec 27 18:36 |
| schestowitz | if they don't know who did this | Dec 27 18:36 |
| schestowitz | then how come a "lead" for investigation is this | Dec 27 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Datacenteres don't do just "5G" | Dec 27 18:36 |
| schestowitz | most don't do any of it at all | Dec 27 18:36 |
| schestowitz | so this might be media noise; time MIGHT tell | Dec 27 18:36 |
| schestowitz | unless they frame some people | Dec 27 18:36 |
| scientes | ugggh, 4g is a patent mindfield | Dec 27 18:44 |
| scientes | that is why all those cheap-ass phones are 2g | Dec 27 18:45 |
| scientes | and also why the courthouse in west texas has a free samsung ice-skating rink | Dec 27 18:46 |
| scientes | “[TiVo] paid $10,000 to buy a champion steer during a local county fair, renaming the bull ‘TiVo' before donating it back” | Dec 27 18:48 |
| scientes | hahahahaha | Dec 27 18:48 |
| schestowitz | scientes: better upgrade to the latest patents | Dec 27 19:01 |
| schestowitz | and dump mp3 | Dec 27 19:01 |
| schestowitz | it's "dead" | Dec 27 19:01 |
| schestowitz | the media said | Dec 27 19:01 |
| schestowitz | need to move to the next patent tax | Dec 27 19:01 |
| schestowitz | patent evergreening | Dec 27 19:01 |
| schestowitz | attack on the COmmons | Dec 27 19:01 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/690bf313a3362883.jpg | Dec 27 19:01 |
| schestowitz | by the time something is patent-free (expired) no network will support it anymore | Dec 27 19:01 |
| vZS1 | I've been enjoying people making idiots of themselves when talking about 5G "security". | Dec 27 19:02 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: home will rot away and fall one day | Dec 27 19:02 |
| XRevan86 | A once in a lifetime ride | Dec 27 19:02 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: and the planet will be submerged in the Sun :> | Dec 27 19:03 |
| scientes | schestowitz, opus is better than mp3 | Dec 27 19:06 |
| scientes | but mp3 is fine | Dec 27 19:06 |
| scientes | that is a scary treehouse | Dec 27 19:07 |
| scientes | usually use make a treehouse on more than one tree | Dec 27 19:08 |
| scientes | so that you have redundancy | Dec 27 19:08 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 27 19:08 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MP3 is still widely used and nobody really seems to care. | Dec 27 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | FhG did a press release that NPR ran off with declaring it obsolete and acting like nobody could use it anymore because there was no licensing scheme for patents. | Dec 27 19:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Shows you the quality of their reporting I guess. | Dec 27 19:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's basically no chance that an MP3 codec gets removed from any product that has much to do with audio because there are too many MP3s out there to count. | Dec 27 19:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Opus is a different story because few people know what it is and there's no stores selling them and the pirate scene has also largely ignored it. | Dec 27 19:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The 20th Amendment is looking better all the time. I mean, technically you could throw the 2008 recession in with the list of disasters it had in mind, but Bush was working with Congress and the incoming administration to try to deal with it. | Dec 27 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump is holed up in a golf resort ignoring the fact that unemployment benefits are expiring and the government is about to shut down. | Dec 27 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If not for the 20th Amendment, we'd have been stuck with this for 43 additional days. | Dec 27 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And it's already painful enough. The time elapsed between the election and now already feels like an ice age because no disaster relief is coming, the pandemic is raging unchecked, and now we're getting into manufactured crises as well from an outgoing administration that is trying to troll an entire country. | Dec 27 19:46 |
| CrystalMath | youtube uses opus | Dec 27 19:47 |
| CrystalMath | massively | Dec 27 19:47 |
| CrystalMath | and aac | Dec 27 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The government shutdown shouldn't really affect USCIS very much. Maybe they'll be in a surly mood because the guy who "took the handcuffs off" so they could deal with "people from shithole countries" is the reason why they haven't been paid for a month before calling up our case. | Dec 27 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But that's speculation. | Dec 27 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | ICE is a separate agency within DHS, and ICE is not funded by user fees, so while USCIS is still running and maybe getting paid, ICE will have to come into work for however long the government is shut down with paychecks backing up and unable to do anything that isn't "essential". | Dec 27 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With all the unessential people on unpaid furlough. | Dec 27 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's basically ruining his ability to do much more during his last month if the government isn't funded. | Dec 27 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Executing prisoners also isn't "essential" so by the time the government is funded again, there will be a death penalty moratorium. | Dec 27 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Government shutdowns are actually pretty interesting. Before the 1970s, they didn't happen. If funding lapsed then things just kept going as if a modern CR bill had passed. | Dec 27 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then both sides realized that if they could dial up pressure they might get the other one to cave to make the shutdowns go away. | Dec 27 19:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But Trump doesn't "want" anything except chaos on the way out, so it would be up to Congress to find enough votes to override. | Dec 27 19:52 |
| MinceR | https://www.madmagazine.com/sites/default/files/imce/2014/12-DEC/MAD-Magazine-Menu-Cut_5489da7af2d3c5.06346076.jpg | Dec 27 19:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: The preservatives that have kept Trump alive. | Dec 27 19:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Whatever's in those hamburgers that don't rot must be it. | Dec 27 19:54 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 27 19:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sorry. Those unpresidented hamberders. | Dec 27 19:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We unpresidented him but he can have a hamberder on the way out. | Dec 27 19:55 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6oeAdemFZw | Dec 27 19:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Pink Panther (9/12) Movie CLIP - I Would Like to Buy a Hamburger (2006) HD - YouTube | Dec 27 19:55 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Mom got angry with me again. | Dec 27 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My brother has no health insurance. I told her they both voted for it and got what they asked for. | Dec 27 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She goes "Obamacare didn't fix it." I said, "Because Republicans on the Supreme Court rewrote it so Indiana could sabotage it, and then the people you voted for in Indiana sabotaged it.". | Dec 27 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She's like "Well Obama was the president of the United States, and Indiana is a state.". I said, "Well, Trump spent four years as president and couldn't make Illinois do much of anything. We spent 4 years passing laws to void him out.". | Dec 27 19:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Obama likes to point out that he won both of his elections. | Dec 27 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably more so no. | Dec 27 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *now | Dec 27 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/27/wars-instability-pose-vaccine-challenges-in-poor-nations.html | Dec 27 19:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Wars, instability pose vaccine challenges in poor nations | Dec 27 19:58 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "In some countries, like Pakistan, militants and radical religious groups spread claims that the polio vaccine is a Western ploy to sterilize Muslim children or turn them away from religion." | Dec 27 19:59 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Well, after Polio they probably won't be Muslim anymore or have children.... Because, you know, dead or severely crippled. | Dec 27 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Polio vaccines were used by CIA to spy | Dec 27 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Every time humans manage to solve a problem the church always goes "Stay away from it. It's a trick!". | Dec 27 20:00 |
| schestowitz | and that's still backfiring | Dec 27 20:00 |
| schestowitz | in Pakistan | Dec 27 20:00 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: you don't need to paste ADS here | Dec 27 20:00 |
| schestowitz | those are corporate media ads | Dec 27 20:00 |
| schestowitz | pushing hard for #fizer to have more CUSTOMERS, grifting off taxpayers’ money https://miami.cbslocal.com/2020/12/27/covid-vaccine-passport-travel/ | Dec 27 20:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-miami.cbslocal.com | You May Need A COVID Vaccine Passport To Travel In 2021 – CBS Miami | Dec 27 20:00 | |
| schestowitz | they use military for propaganda | Dec 27 20:01 |
| schestowitz | women | Dec 27 20:01 |
| schestowitz | not threats | Dec 27 20:01 |
| schestowitz | can't travel without | Dec 27 20:01 |
| schestowitz | or else | Dec 27 20:01 |
| schestowitz | let's see what war criminal they put on camera next | Dec 27 20:01 |
| schestowitz | they did tom hanks | Dec 27 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, you don't have to have vaccines to travel between the states. | Dec 27 20:01 |
| schestowitz | bush (right) | Dec 27 20:01 |
| schestowitz | obama (fake left, centre at best) | Dec 27 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've never left the country anyway. Most of the world is an even bigger mess than things are here. | Dec 27 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even now. | Dec 27 20:01 |
| schestowitz | most USians don't travel outside the country in their lifetime | Dec 27 20:01 |
| schestowitz | many never had a passport | Dec 27 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've never had a passport. | Dec 27 20:02 |
| schestowitz | and a US passport is increasingly worthless anyway | Dec 27 20:02 |
| schestowitz | not just due to covifd | Dec 27 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No reason to. | Dec 27 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Especially not now. | Dec 27 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: They try to make it difficult to get around the states, even, without a federal form of ID. | Dec 27 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They keep threatening not to let you on a plane. Eventually it'll be buses and trains too probably. | Dec 27 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.latimes.com/travel/deals/la-trb-travel-tip-greyhound-bus-versus-plane-20150512-story.html | Dec 27 20:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.latimes.com | Faster, cheaper, free Wi-Fi, no TSA: How a Greyhound bus beats flying - Los Angeles Times | Dec 27 20:05 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: People were taking planes from Chicago to Fort Wayne and I was always like "Why?". | Dec 27 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you're only going no more than a state or two over then the time spent in airport security, layovers, etc, and the extra money... | Dec 27 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Flying is just ridiculously bad. | Dec 27 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They rip people off and it's a great way to get sick with something and miss the next several days after you land even pre-COVID. | Dec 27 20:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Vacations are stupid money pits where you can post pictures on Facebook to make other people jealous. | Dec 27 20:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And business travel and some medical appointments is getting to be an anachronism because of video conferencing, which we should have always been doing because of carbon emissions and cost-effectiveness, even before the virus. | Dec 27 20:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Getting in the car and driving to see my psychiatrist for 15 minutes, burning 5-6 gallons of gasoline and taking an entire day. I mean, when I can press a button and he's on my laptop screen. | Dec 27 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/27/politics/anthony-fauci-biden-coronavirus-cnntv/index.html | Dec 27 20:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dr. Anthony Fauci shares Joe Biden's concern that 'darkest days' may be ahead in Covid-19 fight - CNNPolitics | Dec 27 20:31 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now "herd immunity" is 85%. | Dec 27 20:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, because all of these mutations are increasing how infectious the disease is, so it will overcome some of the herd immunity granted by the vaccine even assuming the vaccine is equally effective against the mutated strain. | Dec 27 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The level of unchecked spread is giving the virus the ability to mutate in parallel in more hosts at once. | Dec 27 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the number of mutations will increase as well, probably giving us a nastier and more infectious strain that also has some resistance to previous immunity. | Dec 27 20:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not really that hard to see what happens from here. | Dec 27 20:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We need a lot more vaccines than we could ever hope to get, we'd need people to actually be willing to get them, or we're definitely going to end up with something a lot worse than we're dealing with now. | Dec 27 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The way the media is promoting them. Letting Donald Trump and Bill Gates get all of these column lines has severely damaged the public's view of the vaccine because now they associate it with people they don't like. | Dec 27 20:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they want more people vaccinated, they need to quit selling op-eds to Bill Gates or quoting Trump as it pertains to knocking down the usual FDA approval standards. | Dec 27 20:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They need to knock it off and hope that some of the damage subsides as people forget what they read. | Dec 27 20:36 |
| XRevan86 | What did BifrostBot forget here? | Dec 27 20:52 |
| XRevan86 | Is there an XMPP room somewhere? | Dec 27 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That still exists? | Dec 27 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I can't get bifrost to work, but it still exists. | Dec 27 20:59 |
| XRevan86 | after matrix.org wiped and re-hosted it, something in their database broke | Dec 27 20:59 |
| XRevan86 | and I guess matrix.org is fine with a broken database :) | Dec 27 21:00 |
| MinceR | https://linsedition.files.wordpress.com/2020/12/war-and-peas-xmas-special-merry-spankmas.jpg | Dec 27 21:01 |
| schestowitz | wth? | Dec 27 21:48 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 27 21:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy was asking who sang what I was listening to the other day. He goes "Isn't Donna Summer dead?". | Dec 27 22:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Didn't get it when I quoted Berlinghoff Rasmussen from TNG. | Dec 27 22:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Everyone dies, captain! It's just a question of when!" | Dec 27 22:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Arguing from the alleged perspective of a future historian. | Dec 27 22:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Con artist from the past who killed one, in fact. Didn't know the answer to Picard's question. Didn't care. But the way he framed his response gave him an out. | Dec 27 22:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Star Trek has had to loop around some bad writing before. Seems like they have to do it again to make Discovery work. | Dec 27 22:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I liked the Rick & Morty episode with the snake time travel timeline. | Dec 27 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not a big fan of sci fi involving time travel. | Dec 27 22:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Eventually, Star Trek may try to focus on whatever the hell the temporal wars were, but then again it may just remain vague. | Dec 27 22:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They definitely ripped off SG-1 though. | Dec 27 22:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Guardian of Forever.....I mean come on. That's definitely the laziest plot element since the 1960s. | Dec 27 22:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And a fat guy sitting there reading the newspaper was definitely a ripoff of Anubis in SG-1 in the episode where Daniel Jackson was stuck in the diner. | Dec 27 22:12 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 27 22:14 |
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| search_social | does anyone use ungoogled chromium | Dec 27 23:26 |
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