EditorsAbout the SiteComes vs. MicrosoftUsing This Web SiteSite ArchivesCredibility IndexOOXMLOpenDocumentPatentsNovellNews DigestSite NewsRSS

12.04.07

Novell Vice President Again Defends Microsoft’s OOXML

Posted in GNOME, Microsoft, Novell, Open XML, OpenDocument at 3:50 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

ODF formatAll of this was expected (and even scheduled). Just as Miguel de Icaza, as (now former) President of the GNOME Foundation may have had GNOME associated with OOXML through ECMA presence, de Icaza, now wearing his Novell hat (mind the listings in the event) defends OOXML.

Who is Novell fooling? As far as attendant of the XML 2007 conference are concerned, Novell, represented by de Icaza in this case, opines that OOXML is needed.

During the XML 2007 interoperability panel — sponsored by Microsoft and of which Rajagopalan was a part — the ongoing battles that have raged for the past couple of years between Microsoft and the backers of ODF were a mere sidenote.

You can read some remarks in Mary Jo Foley’s blog.

Share this post: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages.
  • Digg
  • del.icio.us
  • Reddit
  • co.mments
  • DZone
  • email
  • Google Bookmarks
  • LinkedIn
  • NewsVine
  • Print
  • Technorati
  • TwitThis
  • Facebook

If you liked this post, consider subscribing to the RSS feed or join us now at the IRC channels.

Pages that cross-reference this one

7 Comments

  1. Jeff Waugh said,

    December 4, 2007 at 5:18 pm

    Gravatar

    You’re doing this thing again, always raising irrelevant issues to insinuate and sledge. You just can’t resist this irresponsible muck-raking, despite the fact that the truth of the matter has already been clearly communicated.

    As noted in my post about GNOME and Novell, and in the GNOME Foundation’s plans to fix our chairman/president naming issues, Miguel was entirely inactive in that role, and had no influence on the Board regarding these issues (or any others).

    I know you’re going to keep bringing it up because you think it’s amusing, but just so your readers know: This is precisely the behaviour that makes “Boycott Novell” look foolish, and stops it from serving the community in a positive way.

    Just get over it Roy, and do the right thing for a change.

  2. Roy Schestowitz said,

    December 4, 2007 at 5:36 pm

    Gravatar

    I disagree with your whole assessment, Jeff. None of this “amusing”. This has nothing to do with a GNOME-Novell connection. In an interview with a Microsoft magazine, Miguel de Icaza claimed to have had several hats, one of which grants him a position of authority at Novell. This has nothing to do with GNOME.

    The main purpose is this post is to point out that Novell is out there supporting OOXML, even if it’s only a one-man crusade. That man happens to be a representative. A sole representative.

    You need to stop attacking the messenger and actually address some burning issues. These are issues that were brought up before, but none of you dared to challenge them.

  3. Jeff Waugh said,

    December 4, 2007 at 5:45 pm

    Gravatar

    Ah, so if it’s nothing to do with GNOME, and given that GNOME is not at all relevant here, I suppose you’ll avoid mentioning GNOME in relation to this story? And in particular, avoid bringing up GNOME-related issues that have already been dealt with?

    No, it seems not. You’re still making these insinuations, despite their irrelevance to either the truth, or the immediate story.

    Roy, if you have questions, my door is open. But you’re not interested in doing any research, particularly with the relevant and knowledgeable stakeholders (even though GNOME is utterly irrelevant to this story)… You only have sensationalist insinuations and conspiracy theories.

    Do the right thing, Roy.

  4. Roy Schestowitz said,

    December 4, 2007 at 6:39 pm

    Gravatar

    Jeff,

    For me, this issue was never entirely resolved (I think that you already know this). From where I stand I see a president stepping down amid times when GNOME (Foundation) is criticised for its OOXML stance/actions. It is very clear how Miguel feels about OOXML. Trying to deny his influence in GNOME is fine (it makes things much better), but it’s akin to someone apologising for poor authorities (WoMD come to mind), which cannot improve the image of a nation as a whole. OK, this is a poor analogy for various reasons, but the point worth making here is that saying “Yes, my president has the high chair, but he doesn’t do much” is reasoning so difficult to defend.

    How independent from GNOME is Miguel? Evolution comes with GNOME in quite a few GNU/Linux distributions and it seems clear from his blog that there is still involvement — however indirect it might be. Separating GNOME desktop from Evolution, for example, is not like separating car from carpet; It’s more like separating Java from JavaScript.

  5. Jeff Waugh said,

    December 4, 2007 at 6:51 pm

    Gravatar

    Read my post. Show some respect. Do your research. I shouldn’t have to come here and correct you over and over again because you refuse to actually ask the people who know what’s going on. I comment here for the benefit of your readers who may be confused by your abject lack of relevant information. You know *how* to do active, responsible research, now you just need to pluck up the gumption to actually do it and be accountable for it.

  6. Roy Schestowitz said,

    December 4, 2007 at 7:18 pm

    Gravatar

    You have not answered a single question. Your last comment seemed like a case of escaping the point I’d made.

  7. Jeff Waugh said,

    December 4, 2007 at 7:24 pm

    Gravatar

    Roy, you’re very welcome to ask me questions as a matter of responsible and respectful research. Posting comments directed towards me on your blog is not responsible and respectful research.

What Else is New


  1. Links 28/4/2017: Subsurface 4.6.4, GNOME Shell & Mutter 3.25.1

    Links for the day



  2. Kather Augenstein and Bristows Shift Attention to Germany in an Effort to Ram the Dying UPC Down Everyone's Throats

    Down the throat, hopes Team UPC, the Unitary Patent system will go, even though Britain cannot ratify, throwing the whole thing into grave uncertainty



  3. United for Patent Reform Defends USPTO Director Michelle Lee From Attacks by the Patent Microcosm

    Michelle Lee is finally (if not belatedly) shielded by a bunch of large technology companies; The deep-pocketed industry finally steps in line with our position, which is usually when things turn out the way we advocate for



  4. Team UPC and CIPA Are Lobbying, Publishing Puff Pieces, and Rewriting the Law for Unitary Patent (UPC) Behind Closed Doors

    A collection of the latest news and views on the UPC, which is being lied about by those who stand to benefit from it and is probably going nowhere because Brexit means that the UK stays out, in which case it must be reset and pertinent ratifications done all over again



  5. China's Suffering From Patent Maximalism Has Europe Forewarned

    The parasitic elements inside China -- those that just want lots of litigation (even if from patent trolls) -- are winning over, much to the detriment of the Chinese economy, and Team UPC threatens to do the same in Europe with help from Battistelli



  6. Links 27/4/2017: Mesa 17.0.5 RC1, Git 2.13.0 RC1, and Linkerd 1.0

    Links for the day



  7. The Latest Expensive PR Blitz of the EPO, Led by Jana Mittermaier and Rainer Osterwalder Under the 'European Inventor Award' Banner

    The PR agencies of the Corsican in Chief, who appears to be buying political support rather than earning any, are very busy this week, as yet another reputation laundering campaign kicks off



  8. Links 26/4/2017: SMPlayer 17.4.2, Libreboot Wants to Rejoin GNU

    Links for the day



  9. PatentShield is Not the Solution and It Won't Protect Google/Android From Patent Trolls Like Microsoft's

    A new initiative called "PatentShield" is launched, but it's yet another one of those many initiatives (Peer-to-Patent and the likes of it, LOT Network, OIN, PAX etc.) that serve to distract from the real and much simpler solutions



  10. Patent Quality Crisis and Unprecedented Trouble at the European Patent Office (EPO) Negatively Affect Legitimate Companies in the US As Well

    The granting en masse of questionable patents by the EPO (patent maximalism) is becoming a liability and growing risk to companies which operate not only in Europe but also elsewhere



  11. Blog 'Takeovers' by Bristows and Then Censorship: Now This Firm Lies About the Unitary Patent (UPC) and Then Deletes Comments That Point Out the Errors

    Not only are Bristows employees grabbing the mic in various high-profile IP blogs for the purpose of UPC promotion (by distortion of facts); they also actively suppress critics of the UPC



  12. Links 25/4/2017: Kali Linux 2017.1 Released, NSA Back Doors in Windows Cause Chaos

    Links for the day



  13. Astoundingly, IP Kat Has Become a Leading Source of UPC and Battistelli Propaganda

    The pro-UPC outlets, which enjoy EPO budget (i.e. stakeholders' money), are becoming mere amplifiers of Benoît Battistelli and his right-hand UPC woman Margot Fröhlinger, irrespective of actual facts



  14. EPO Fiasco to be Discussed in German Local Authority (Bavarian Parliament) Some Time Today as the Institution Continues Its Avoidable Collapse

    Conflict between management and staff -- a result of truly destructive strategies and violations of the law by Benoît Battistelli -- continues to escalate and threatens to altogether dismantle the European Patent Office (EPO)



  15. In the US and Elsewhere, Qualcomm's Software Patents Are a Significant Tax Everyone Must Pay

    The state of the mobile market when companies such as Qualcomm, which don't really produce anything, take a large piece of the revenue pie



  16. In South Asia, Old Myths to Promote Patent Maximalism, Courtesy of the Patent Microcosm

    The latest example of software patents advocacy and patent 'parades' in India, as well as something from IPOS in Singapore



  17. Links 24/4/2017: Linux 4.11 RC8, MPV 0.25

    Links for the day



  18. Why Authorities in the Netherlands Need to Strip the EPO of Immunity and Investigate Fire Safety Violations

    How intimidation and crackdown on the staff representatives at the EPO may have led to lack of awareness (and action) about lack of compliance with fire safety standards



  19. Insensitivity at the EPO’s Management – Part IX: Testament to the Fear of an Autocratic Regime

    A return to the crucial observation and a reminder of the fact that at the EPO it takes great courage to say the truth nowadays



  20. For the Fordham Echo Chamber (Patent Maximalism), Judges From the EPO Boards of Appeal Are Not Worth Entertaining

    In an event steered if not stuffed by patent radicals such as Bristows and Microsoft (abusive, serial litigators) there are no balanced panels or even reasonable discussions



  21. EPO Staff Representatives Fired Using “Disciplinary Committee That Was Improperly Composed” as Per ILO's Decision

    The Board of the Administrative Council at European Patent Organisation is being informed of the union-busting activities of Battistelli -- activities that are both illegal (as per national and international standards) and are detrimental to the Organisation



  22. Links 23/4/2017: End of arkOS, Collabora Office 5.3 Released

    Links for the day



  23. Intellectual Discovery and Microsoft Feed Patent Trolls Like Intellectual Ventures Which Then Strategically Attack Rivals

    Like a swarm of blood-sucking bats, patent trolls prey on affluent companies that derive their wealth from GNU/Linux and freedom-respecting software (Free/libre software)



  24. The European Patent Office Has Just Killed a Cat (or Skinned a 'Kat')

    The EPO’s attack on the media, including us, resulted in a stream of misinformation and puff pieces about the EPO and UPC, putting at risk not just European democracy but also corrupting the European press



  25. Yann Ménière Resorts to Buzzwords to Recklessly Promote Floods of Patents, Dooming the EPO Amid Decline in Patent Applications

    Battistelli's French Chief Economist is not much of an economist but a patent maximalist toeing the party line of Monsieur Battistelli (lots of easy grants and litigation galore, for UPC hopefuls)



  26. Even Patent Bullies Like Microsoft and Facebook Find the Patent Trial and Appeal Board (PTAB) Useful

    Not just companies accused of patent infringement need the PTAB but also frequent accusers with deep pockets need the PTAB, based on some new figures and new developments



  27. Links 21/4/2017: Qt Creator 4.2.2, ROSA Desktop Fresh R9

    Links for the day



  28. At the EPO, Seeding of Puff Piece in the Press/Academia Sometimes Transparent Enough to View

    The EPO‘s PR team likes to 'spam' journalists and others (for PR) and sometimes does this publicly, as the tweets below show — a desperate recruitment and reputation laundering drive



  29. Affordable and Sophisticated Mobile Devices Are Kept Away by Patent Trolls and Aggressors That Tax Everything

    The war against commoditisation of mobile computing has turned a potentially thriving market with fast innovation rates into a war zone full of patent trolls (sometimes suing at the behest of large companies that hand them patents for this purpose)



  30. In Spite of Lobbying and Endless Attempts by the Patent Microcosm, US Supreme Court Won't Consider Any Software Patent Cases Anymore (in the Foreseeable Future)

    Lobbyists of software patents, i.e. proponents of endless litigation and patent trolls, are attempting to convince the US Supreme Court (SCOTUS) to have another look at abstract patents and reconsider its position on cases like Alice Corp. v CLS Bank International


CoPilotCo

RSS 64x64RSS Feed: subscribe to the RSS feed for regular updates

Home iconSite Wiki: You can improve this site by helping the extension of the site's content

Home iconSite Home: Background about the site and some key features in the front page

Chat iconIRC Channel: Come and chat with us in real time

CoPilotCo

Recent Posts