To some it was predictable [1, 2, 3] and to some it was not. Regardless: Microsoft Corporation, the company that actively fought ODF and force-forced an proprietary alternative like nothing less than a deranged criminal who knows no boundaries, is suddenly inviting all people behind ODF to 'pull a Patrick Durusau' and come to Microsoft's turf.
Thank you for this invitation. I have to say I have some trouble understanding why you would like to gather the OASIS TC in Redmond. It seems to me a bit cumbersome, and a bit bizarre to invite everyone here in Redmond as if nothing had ever happened before. Perhaps, as some would put it, "it's a bit too early for that". Besides, I'm sure we can have that event anywhere else . As you may know, the OASIS ODF TC (together with its subcommittees and the OASIS ODF Adoption TC) runs several panels and conferences worldwide. The next one, if I am not mistaken, will take place in Beijing during the ODF Track at the OpenOffice.org Conference. It is scheduled to take place around October-November 2008.
This ODF track is independent from the OpenOffice.org Conference as several different and competing vendors attend this conference track. We would really appreciate to have you and the Microsoft Office team there.
Maybe this invitation has something to do with Microsoft's public "ODF has clearly won" statement at a recent event. Thus, if Microsoft has to support ODF in their products due to market demand, what ISV can still ignore supporting ODF? I guess none! Anyway, OpenOffice.org is just one implementation of ODF and is facing more than 1.2M downloads per week (!!!) on average (since the beginning of 2008) with most recent download numbers having been close to 2M.
Most Danish companies are actually trying to find an alternative to MS Office at the moment.
Comments
The NDA
2008-06-23 18:21:25
Sounds like even more reason why we should keep the ODF proecess open.
BoomBoom
2008-06-23 19:22:12
Roy Schestowitz
2008-06-23 20:11:20
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200806/msg00078.html
Also to keep in mind:
http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2008/04/07/the-ugliness-of-it-all/
"Another way for Microsoft to attack ODF would be to oppose the standardization of ODF 1.2. They will use the same tactics they had with OOXML, but in the opposite direction. It will be funny to watch how the ISO and the national standards bodies will switch all of a sudden to a demanding stance on ODF 1.2, which will only be an iteration of an existing ISO standard. I am afraid we will witness such a shocking twist in the standardization bodies’ attitude."
He said this just before Microsoft announced that it would support (or 'support') ODF.
Not Fluoridated
2008-06-23 22:36:47
My former employer sure went for the Microsoft line, hook & sinker. Especially the sinker part. They're now out of business, to a great extent because of MS. If OASIS isn't careful, it could happen to them too.
Microsoft had a great opportunity to participate when ODF was being developed. They refused. Then, all they wanted was to steal the good ideas to put into MS-XML (aka OOXML) without contributing back. Now, they want to act like they're concerned about ODF being a universal format for everyone.
I don't believe them any more than I believe Dick Cheney. And that's pretty far down the credibility scale.
DOUGman
2008-06-24 00:17:42
Remember the Sun Tzu... know your enemy.
People should memorize this line, when MS comes a knocking....
"Frak off....."
D.
Roy Schestowitz
2008-06-24 05:01:44
I bet Microsoft will promise a free trip and all sorts of 'funs'... maybe even a trip down to Disneyland (sarcasm)
Mind you, the guy who invites them, Doug Mahugh, on is also known as "Elephant in the Room" for the most disgusting of dirty tricks.
http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/2008/03/the-elephant-in.html
Doug Mahugh also said about OOXML that it's a simple matter of Microsoft's commercial interest. The guy one of the dirtiest among the bunch. It's almost like being invited by Satan.
Jose
2008-06-29 00:12:23
For years Microsoft opponents complained Microsoft didn't document their protocols and file formats. That was presented as unfair competition because of their monopoly. Still, the approval of OOXML as an ISO standard encountered tremendous opposition. Microsoft announced they were going to support ODF in Office and again people like you came up with the darkest reasons and plots behind that decision.
Whatever reasons made Microsoft support ODF or document some of their protocols be happy and let consumers/users decide for themselves what they want.
You come across as somebody who is afraid consumers are going to choose Microsoft which you consider a bad choice. Now that Microsoft took away one of your biggest argument (closed protocols and closed file formats) you vilify the company.
Roy Schestowitz
2008-06-29 05:17:31
By the way, there is no "anti-Microsoft camp". There's a pro-open standards camp; Microsoft just doesn't want to be part of it; it never did. It wants to be 'the' standard (de facto).
"We want to own these standards, so we should not participate in standards groups. Rather, we should call 'to me' to the industry and set a standard that works now and is for everyone's benefit. We are large enough that this can work."
--Microsoft Corporation, internal memo (source
[compressed PDF]
)Jose
2008-06-30 00:05:18
Microsoft decided to support ODF now instead of when they were invited. So what? I'm convinced Microsoft, like any other corporation, makes decisions that they think will further their interests. Given the current legal context and market demands, they probably think that now is the time to support ODF.
You can speculate all you want about whatever dark reasons made them support ODF, that's irrelevant. You think Microsoft will not support ODF properly! What does that mean? If you mean they are going to support it with their best interests in mind, well of course, like any other company supporting a standard. If you think they are going to sabotage in some subtle way their support of ODF in Office I would say that's wishful thinking. As much as you don't like them admit at least that they are smarter than that.
You claim to be pro-open standards. Yes I believe you are but I believe you are first anti-Microsoft and then pro-open standards. Any objective and reasonable person that is first pro-open standards would consider Microsoft support of ODF and Microsoft submission of OOXML as an ISO standard a victory (which I think it is as well as good for users). Instead you vilify Microsoft and one of its employees.
So yes there is an "anti-Microsoft camp". A "de facto" one.
Roy Schestowitz
2008-06-30 06:11:02
Did you see what they do for OOXML? Do you consider bullying, bribery and extortion to be acceptable? Moreover, have you not seen that OOXML is Windows-specific and a case against the GPL? What about Microsoft's history when it comes to standards?
RiaD
2008-06-30 13:25:57
For people needing full and correct information read: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200806/msg00084.html
Even IBM's Rob Weir confirming that inviting ODF TC members to Redmond is actually a good thing and supporting it fully.
Roy Bixler
2008-06-30 13:58:52