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09.08.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: September 7th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:17 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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dsmith_ new MS commercial, what a load of bollocks Sep 07 00:15
schestowitz I stopped watching after 30 secs. Sep 07 00:22
dsmith_ haha Sep 07 00:22
dsmith_ I went out and asked before to tell me thier reaction, they were confused… IS MS Selling shoes now? Sep 07 00:23
schestowitz Seeing a comedian I used to respect turning into a shoemaker of a fraudulent executive… Sep 07 00:23
seller_liar schestowitz: http://www.itwire.com/content/vi… Sep 07 02:04
seller_liar schestowitz: remember m$ loves chrome because the 95% Sep 07 02:04
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tessier Wow, he’s stubborn. Sep 07 02:45
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ZiggyFish hey Sep 07 04:19
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schestowitz Microsoft money in IDG/IDC goes further than I first imagined: InfoWorld, CIO, ComputerWorld, CSO, Demo, GamePro, Games.net, IDG Connect,IDG World Expo, Industry Standard, IT World, JavaWorld, LinuxWorld, MacUser, Macworld, Network World, PC World, Playlist Sep 07 08:10
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schestowitz Turns out that “c83-254-128-195.bredband.comhem.se” grabbed more than 25074 pages from BN yesterday, but not with a grabber like wget. Sep 07 10:51
ZiggyFish do you know who it is? Sep 07 10:52
schestowitz No. I did a search, but nothing relevant comes up. The site does not even *have* that many pages. Sep 07 10:54
ZiggyFish lol Sep 07 10:54
schestowitz We have about 5000: http://www.google.com/search?so… Sep 07 10:54
trmanco duplicate pages Sep 07 10:55
trmanco from the monthly archives, etc Sep 07 10:56
schestowitz Hmmm… Microsoft embezzlement also 8 years ago: http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/… Sep 07 10:56
schestowitz trmanco: there aren’t duplicates though. Sep 07 10:56
trmanco thats on Google Sep 07 10:56
trmanco you have a rules for the search engine bot *I guess* so you only get about 5000 on the search engine Sep 07 10:57
schestowitz Really? Sep 07 10:58
trmanco but if you scan the website with a sitemap builder without any sort of rules for example, you got a more than just 5000 Sep 07 10:58
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/robots.txt Sep 07 10:58
trmanco I’m eating up words :| Sep 07 10:58
schestowitz Well, I used to have XML sitemap for it, but as the site went past 3000 posts or so and the host put a CPU cap on us (destroying some pages in the process), that had to end Sep 07 10:59
schestowitz http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-… Sep 07 11:00
trmanco hmmm Sep 07 11:00
schestowitz “The accused had reportedly made use of their comprehensive knowledge of business practices in the financial house Rothschild, and had instructed Rothschild partner French to transfer 654,000 Microsoft stocks from an unknowing Rothschild client to the account of the board member’s company in Ohio.” http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/sum… Sep 07 11:01
schestowitz (I’m looking for something very specific, but I come across these other bits along the way) Sep 07 11:02
trmanco I already made sitemaps with some cheap sitemap builder and they repeat the index pages, archives, tags, pages, etc so thats why I said that Sep 07 11:02
ZiggyFish do you guys like chrome Sep 07 11:03
trmanco but you do only have about 5000 indexable pages tho Sep 07 11:03
trmanco ZiggyFish, it sucks Sep 07 11:03
trmanco can’t get it to work 99% on wine Sep 07 11:03
trmanco :| Sep 07 11:03
ZiggyFish I agree Sep 07 11:04
ZiggyFish don’t think it will change anything Sep 07 11:04
trmanco http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.a… Sep 07 11:05
schestowitz I hate pay tolls for access to information.. “Microsoft Corp. said Friday that it gave chairman Bill Gates a … to atone for a $5 million embezzlement scandal, the bank ” excerpt for http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/… Sep 07 11:05
schestowitz This one too is new to me: “Microsoft co-founder Paul G. Allen has been sued for sexual harassment in Los Angeles Superior Court by a woman who says she was fired from one of the billionaire’s businesses after twice rejecting his sexual advances on a business trip three years ago.” http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/ac… Sep 07 11:07
schestowitz Angeles+Times&desc=Micr osoft+ Co-Founder+Is+Accus ed +of+Harass ment%3B+Court%3A+Su it+sa ys+ e mployee+of+L.A.+company +wa s+fired+after+rejecting+his+adv ances. +Computer+mogul+Paul+Allen +denies+allegation.&pqatl=g oogle Sep 07 11:07
schestowitz http://tinyurl.com/573gvw Sep 07 11:07
ZiggyFish we may reach 1 % at the end of this month http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report… Sep 07 11:08
ZiggyFish or in real terms 99 % of people use linux in some form Sep 07 11:09
trmanco yes Sep 07 11:10
trmanco maybe Sep 07 11:10
schestowitz It’s bogus, ZiggyFish. Don’t link to Big Lies. Sep 07 11:10
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07/09/b… Sep 07 11:11
ZiggyFish the problem is, most people use hitslink.com as their only source of market share information Sep 07 11:13
schestowitz That’s because the media is pushing them towards it. ZeeZeeNet, IDG, etc. Sep 07 11:13
ZiggyFish yep Sep 07 11:13
schestowitz Even Microsoft’s liars from Partner Group say this (not for the first time BTW): http://digg.com/linux_unix/GNU_Linu… Sep 07 11:14
schestowitz It was estimated at 3% for several years, but it’s growing all the time. It could be well more than 4% because of second-hand PCs in developing countries. Sep 07 11:15
ZiggyFish be interesting to see how hitslink get’s their information Sep 07 11:15
schestowitz See  http://boycottnovell.com/2008/… Sep 07 11:17
schestowitz BN shows that there are more GNU/Linux users than Windows users, but that’s a niche site. Sep 07 11:17
schestowitz http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inqu… “A WOMAN is suing the Enhanced Business Reporting Corporation, Grant Thornton, Pricewaterhouse Coopers, the AICPA, Microsoft and named individuals working for these outfits in an Indiana court. Sep 07 11:19
ZiggyFish well put ” If you were my graduate student and you came to me with this sampling strategy, I’d send you back to kindergarten.” Sep 07 11:20
schestowitz Don’t link to these big lies. It’s easy to prove almost anything using stats. Like IDC does with server figures (counting just revenue from preinstalls as “market share”)… Sep 07 11:23
schestowitz Hmmmm… this one seems impossible to find (articles not there): http://news.google.com/archive… Sep 07 11:32
ZiggyFish yeah Sep 07 11:32
schestowitz Turns out the Lyons shills hasn’t blogged here for years, but watch him attack GL and RMS: http://floatingpoint.wordpress.com/ Sep 07 11:34
ZiggyFish http://www.itnews.com.au/News/News… more on chrome Sep 07 11:36
ZiggyFish and not the paint sniffers Sep 07 11:36
schestowitz Nobody cared for his attacks on FOSS in a WordPress blogs, so he decided to pretend to be Steve Jobs in BlogSpot and do his ‘freetard’ attacks from there. Sep 07 11:36
schestowitz Isn’t that an already-resolved issue? Sep 07 11:37
schestowitz Haven’t read past the beginning yet, but the EULA is changed, so ITNews might be delivering old news. Sep 07 11:37
ZiggyFish As a result, Google completely deleted the offending passage and changed the section to read: “You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in content which you submit, post or display on or through, the services.” Sep 07 11:38
schestowitz “In the meantime, local restaurants are already introducing their own touchscreen ordering systems, most notably Wagaya in Sydney’s Haymarket.” http://www.theage.com.au/news/athome/… Sep 07 11:40
schestowitz I’m just a tad curious. Is that Haymarket media, which owns ITNews? http://www.haymarketmedia.com.au/… Sep 07 11:40
ZiggyFish can’t wait until Firefox 3.1 comes out (really want these new tags to take effect) Sep 07 11:41
schestowitz From http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-128020404.html : “(Haymarket Media appointed Kevin Downey as publisher of Medical Marketing and Media)(Brief Article)” [...] Most recently, Downey was director of media sales at dice.com, an employment board for the technology sector, where he handled media sales efforts for such companies as Microsoft, Intel and Oracle.” Sep 07 11:42
schestowitz It seems too loose though. There seems to be no strong connection there. Sep 07 11:42
ZiggyFish mm, true Sep 07 11:43
schestowitz I still trust SJVN. Sep 07 11:44
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schestowitz Interesting idea about Mono going proprietary/’protected’ for certain portions: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/06/hobby… ” I’ll tell you what they will do, they will fork Mono into proprietary and open, instantly after that MS will give blessing only to prop. Mono while the other will be just like a shareware for them.” Sep 07 15:20
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trmanco http://www.itwire.com/content/view/20488/1141/ Sep 07 16:56
schestowitz Thanks, I’ll add it Sep 07 16:58
trmanco :) Sep 07 16:58
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_Doug ………………………………………………. …………………………………………………………. ………………………………………. Sep 07 18:39
schestowitz Hey, man. Sep 07 18:41
schestowitz You sent me this: http://www.crn.com/software/210500354 “We still come across clients that have made the mistake of buying a consumer device because nobody ever explained the differences in quality, warranty and performance to them when they made the retail purchase,” Duffy said. Sep 07 18:42
_Doug This is just the latest SPIN~1 out of redmond Sep 07 18:46
_Doug There’s a difference in quality between the consumer and commercial version Sep 07 18:46
schestowitz I know. “Get a load of the self-serving bum-fluss fresh out of MICROS~1. You see, the reason for the failure of Vista is the cunstomers are confusing a ‘consumer device’ with devices aimed at the ‘small business space’. As if there was any difference between the two, a glorified overbloated menuing GUI .. :) Sep 07 18:46
_Doug The reality is Vista wouldn’t run on the hardware, remember they abd Intel colluded on reducing the specs. Sep 07 18:47
schestowitz Can you E-mail client not handle words long than 8 CHARAC~1? Sep 07 18:47
schestowitz *longer Sep 07 18:47
schestowitz _Doug:: OEMs too,  not just Intel. Sep 07 18:47
schestowitz It’s not a collusion. It Vendor Orgy. Sep 07 18:48
_Doug It’s a little attempt at humor, it’s the only thing MICROS~1 ever innovated .. Sep 07 18:48
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_Doug “|quality, warranty and performance” .. is there a different warenty for the CONSUME~1 version Sep 07 18:49
schestowitz It made Intel happy enough for exclusivity. Sep 07 18:49
schestowitz Warranty = “peace of mind” Sep 07 18:49
_Doug This computer is Vista ready: it doesn’t run Vista, oh, in that case it’s a performance issue .. Sep 07 18:50
_Doug quality ? Sep 07 18:50
_Doug ot: there’s a meme going round the Internet, in US blablabla, in Russia it’s the exact opposite etc .. do you know of it .. Sep 07 18:52
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schestowitz Yes, it’s old, no? Sep 07 18:52
schestowitz You mean that Slashdot humour? Sep 07 18:52
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_reversal Sep 07 18:52
_Doug ahh thanks .. Sep 07 18:52
_Doug IS funny .. Ja Sep 07 18:54
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schestowitz I could not pin down a reference to the “Only old people in Korea” hunour. Sep 07 18:56
schestowitz *humour Sep 07 18:57
_Doug I sent one ‘Russian reversal’ joke to an American and they didn’t get it .. no sense of irony … Sep 07 18:57
_Doug ” legions of Microsoft ‘gurus’” Sep 07 19:00
_Doug “it also sounds like the type of experience one gets immediately upon walking into an Apple store. And, in the opinion of many Microsoft channel partners, that’s a step in the right direction.” Sep 07 19:01
_Doug desperation !!! Sep 07 19:01
_Doug EXCUSES~1 .. “Microsoft faces certain challenges that Apple does not, including a more complex product set, a lack of control over the retail environment, and the need to represent many companies’ products.” Sep 07 19:02
_Doug void Jesus _tapDANCing CHRIS~1 … Sep 07 19:03
_Doug class CHRIS~1 { billg ] Sep 07 19:03
PetoKraus doh Sep 07 19:04
PetoKraus that freaking Windows XP can’t be booted off USB Sep 07 19:04
schestowitz I think i can. Sep 07 19:04
PetoKraus INNOVA~1 Sep 07 19:04
schestowitz Not trivially though. Sep 07 19:04
PetoKraus yes, i am sort of following tutorial how to do that Sep 07 19:04
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schestowitz There’s also an OpenSUSE spinner that produces live OpenSUSE-based USBs. Sep 07 19:05
PetoKraus opensuse can’t run baldur’s gate, yet. Sep 07 19:05
PetoKraus when it becomes opensuse-oh-sorry-we-put-windows-in-the-box Sep 07 19:06
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_Doug ot: INNOVA~1: can anyone think of a good Russian Reversal using that ? Sep 07 19:10
_Doug back in ten .. Sep 07 19:14
schestowitz Will think of something.. Sep 07 19:14
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_Doug Cloud Computing, reality or head in the clouds ? Sep 07 20:09
_Doug Anyone tried Google Chrome? Sep 07 20:09
_Doug What’s on t’ tellie right now ? Sep 07 20:13
schestowitz I don’t watch it. Sep 07 20:14
schestowitz Chrome is still a Windows blob. Sep 07 20:14
schestowitz The source is just a sandbox for happy hax0rs Sep 07 20:15
_Doug I like the minimal display .. Sep 07 20:16
_Doug Like currently I have three horozontal sections at the top of FF, each not teling me much .. Sep 07 20:16
_Doug And a status bar at the bottom .. Sep 07 20:17
schestowitz It would be nice for it to automatically fold away and have focus on hover. Sep 07 20:17
_Doug The top one says ‘Mibbit client widget – Mozilla Firefox .. a total waste of real estate .. Sep 07 20:17
schestowitz Like Apple’s Dashboard or panels that hide. Sep 07 20:17
_Doug I would like the one section at the top containing everything, and one status line at the bottom for everything else .. Sep 07 20:18
_Doug Any prompts should only pop up at the bottom, not scrool the main window down and ask ‘do you want to save this pasword’ etc .. Sep 07 20:19
_Doug I hate nags .. ‘do you want to upgrade’ etc … Sep 07 20:19
schestowitz That might make a learning curve. Sep 07 20:19
_Doug No, I want to read the frigging text that is on the screen, Sep 07 20:20
schestowitz The dialgue for plguin upgrade should be shot ( ;-) ) or made automatic. It also works in the background, leaving the user to wait. Sep 07 20:20
_Doug XP + YOutube .. there are TWO controls for audio .. that move about .. Sep 07 20:20
schestowitz But one is a master. Sep 07 20:21
_Doug If you set the audio at 5, the next video sets it back to full .. so view 3 videos and you have to adjust the audio three times .. a kinda jolting experience. Sep 07 20:22
_Doug How about the one audio control that is is the same place .. :) Sep 07 20:22
_Doug I prefer fluxbox .. :) Sep 07 20:23
_Doug less is more … Sep 07 20:23
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_Doug even Xfce .. I hide the menus at top and bottom, that way I have trhe whole screen for the app … Sep 07 20:23
_Doug I don’t want things moving about .. I mean your car controls don’t movce about do they . .I thought the GUI was put through a usability lab ? Sep 07 20:25
schestowitz _Doug: yes, that makes sense (unification of volume bars) Sep 07 20:26
schestowitz There are already volume controllers for each application in some of the latest distros that integrate Fedora goodness. Sep 07 20:27
_Doug Just the one volume control that don’t move about .. is all I fricken’s ask for .. that and sharks with lasers … Sep 07 20:27
schestowitz You could put sharks at the centre of your Compiz cube. I’m sure someone can program some lasers for you. Sep 07 20:28
_Doug Ahh .. Sep 07 20:28
schestowitz It’s call Atlantis. One of the least useful plugins ever. Sep 07 20:28
schestowitz It’s all pretty good when friends come over and see the effects. My display is over a meter wide. Sep 07 20:29
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_Doug meter wide, how ? Sep 07 20:34
*benJIman wonders if schestowitz is going to comment on miguel’s latest blog post. Sep 07 20:35
_Doug benJIman: what do you think of Yoper ? Sep 07 20:36
schestowitz “The MS-LPL is a poisonous license, do not use it (do not confuse with the MS-PL which is a decent license, the extra “L” makes a big difference).” Sep 07 20:36
benJIman _Doug: Isn’t it an abandoned project? Sep 07 20:37
benJIman schestowitz: MS-PL is OSI approved. Sep 07 20:37
_Doug Nope, there was a newish distro recently .. I msged a developer and got a reply .. seems to be active .. Sep 07 20:38
_Doug Dec 2007 .. is newish … Sep 07 20:38
schestowitz benJIman: OSI is not FSF-approved Sep 07 20:38
_Doug I mentioned it as it does what it says on the tin, small and fast .. Sep 07 20:39
benJIman _Doug: Last time I checked they did not have a x86_64 version either, and I have 8gb ram. Sep 07 20:39
_Doug It ran OK on an medium-spec machine, the same one I tried MAndriva, Ubuntu, OpenSuse on .. and a few others Sep 07 20:39
benJIman schestowitz: No, but does mean they grant a certain  amount of freedoms. Sep 07 20:40
benJIman I think the MS-PL is actually freer than the GPL in some respects. Sep 07 20:40
_Doug benJIman: be nice .. :) Sep 07 20:41
_Doug first rule of Linux Advocacy: thou shalt not dis the GPL .. Sep 07 20:41
benJIman I was not doing so. Sep 07 20:42
benJIman MS-PL does not have many restrictions though http://www.opensource.org/license… Sep 07 20:42
_Doug No, you’re just trolling BN … Sep 07 20:42
_Doug explain how no-restrictions in the GPL gets translated into restrictions in MS-PL Sep 07 20:43
benJIman Err, what/ Sep 07 20:43
_Doug The GPL prevent YOU from restricting MY freedoms viz-a-viz the code, that is not more restrictive, but less !!! Sep 07 20:43
_Doug “benJIman: the MS-PL is actually freer than the GPL” OK .. explain ,, tell all .. Sep 07 20:44
_Doug I’m going fro a break, be back in five .. Sep 07 20:44
benJIman _Doug: Depends on your definitin of freer. It has fewer restrictions. Sep 07 20:44
benJIman But I do not disagree with your point. Sep 07 20:45
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PetoKraus ha! success! Sep 07 20:51
_Doug benJIman: what’s your definition of ‘freer’, and enumerate the ‘restrictions’ in the GPL Sep 07 20:54
benJIman brb Sep 07 20:54
schestowitz PetoKraus: success? Proxy? Sep 07 20:55
_Doug The law in the UK, prevents me from beating my wife, unlike Iran for instance, does that make the UK more restrictive than Iraq ? Sep 07 20:56
PetoKraus schestowitz: no, i finally installed those XP’s on the external drive Sep 07 20:56
PetoKraus i won’t be online much in next few days Sep 07 20:56
PetoKraus baldur’s gate trilogy lies in front of me Sep 07 20:56
schestowitz Playing with XP? Sep 07 20:56
PetoKraus no, but BG doesn’t work under wine well Sep 07 20:56
schestowitz RMS will cry. Sep 07 20:57
_Doug In Iran, it’s enshrined in Sharia law Sep 07 20:57
PetoKraus schestowitz: i am big FS supporter. But when it comes to cooperative gaming… Sep 07 20:58
_Doug re: miguel’s latest blog post, what’s that about ? Sep 07 21:07
_Doug “As a .NET developer, you should avoid using the newly released Managed Extensibility Framework  “ Sep 07 21:07
_Doug This ? Sep 07 21:07
_Doug Who produces MEF ? Sep 07 21:09
_Doug I see you answered this above .. pardon me … Sep 07 21:10
schestowitz PetoKraus: What about Quake Wars? Sep 07 21:13
PetoKraus it’s not Baldur’s gate :P Sep 07 21:14
_Doug gtg .. so long benJIman … Sep 07 21:14
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