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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: September 21st, 2008 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 3:19 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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schestowitz The cost of my connection is already quite high. 100MBit though. Sep 21 18:26
_Doug I figure they are going to sell off iPlayer eventually .. Sep 21 18:26
schestowitz Kangaroo? Sep 21 18:27
_Doug upto 1200Bbit, so long as you don’t use it .. :) Sep 21 18:27
_Doug Who are you calling a Kangaroo :( Sep 21 18:27
_Doug back later .. time for a break … Sep 21 18:29
schestowitz Wait Sep 21 18:29
schestowitz http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008… Sep 21 18:29
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_Doug virtualization: what’s it good for ? Sep 21 18:56
_Doug “Novell Inc.and Microsoft jointly announced Thursday that Novell’s SUSE Linux Enterprise has been optimized to run as an “enlightened” guest on Microsoft’s Hyper-V hypervisor platform” Sep 21 18:56
_Doug What’s ‘enlightened’, does that mean hypervisor only makes running the others a jolting experience ? Sep 21 18:57
schestowitz _Doug: I told you. Sep 21 18:58
schestowitz You have this massive mainframe with UNIX on it, you then want SUSE instances. Sep 21 18:59
_Doug |”In order to take advantage of paravirtualization, however, an operating system must be specifically ported to run on top of a host system” Sep 21 18:59
schestowitz SLES to be precise, at least in IBM’s case. You have virtual compartment instead of one beast. Microsoft says only 7% of the servers are virtualised. Sep 21 18:59
_Doug So we have an OS that can only run in VM mode on a specific OS ? Sep 21 19:00
schestowitz I saw “enlightened” too… earlier in OSNews. It means nothing, but it sounds good. Microsoft gives only Novell access to some APIs. Let me find info… Sep 21 19:00
_Doug I mean isn’t that lockin ? Sep 21 19:00
_Doug “MS only Novell access to some APIs” well DOH :) Sep 21 19:01
schestowitz Here, I found it: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_-8IufkbuD0 Sep 21 19:01
schestowitz Sh*. Wrong link Sep 21 19:01
schestowitz http://weblog.infoworld.com/virtualization… Sep 21 19:01
_Doug If I don’t have big hardware ? Sep 21 19:02
schestowitz _Doug: yes, that makes it harder to move from SLES to another GNU/Linux distro later. It’s good for MONOPO~1 Sep 21 19:02
schestowitz _Doug: maybe you want to run Solaris and GNU/Linux on the same rack and servers at the same time. Best of both worlds…? Sep 21 19:03
_Doug It would be simpler to build a scalable cluster .. Sep 21 19:03
schestowitz Reminds me of an ad (it’s hard to manage) Sep 21 19:03
schestowitz It’s like the theory of building a Google datacentre from recycles 486s. Sep 21 19:04
_Doug Only if you are in click-and-install land … Sep 21 19:04
schestowitz It also takes up a lot of energy and hard to maintain, redundancy aside. Let me find that IBM vid. Sep 21 19:04
_Doug A single console and a bunch of scripts is all you need … Sep 21 19:04
_Doug let the computer do the work .. Sep 21 19:05
schestowitz Got it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmx… Sep 21 19:05
schestowitz What about click-n-drollers? Sep 21 19:05
schestowitz *droolers? Sep 21 19:06
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_Doug VM, a solution in search of a problem .. :) Sep 21 19:07
_Doug “Microsoft and Novell deliver on virtualization interoperability” Sep 21 19:08
_Doug Was ‘virtualization interoperability’ ever a problem ? :) Sep 21 19:08
schestowitz Kind of… but it’s getting as popular as it is hyped. Desktop VM is good too in case you want several environments to run simultaneously. Sep 21 19:08
_Doug I mean the VMed OS was supposed to not know it was on a VM machine, the clue is in the name – virtual machine !!! Sep 21 19:09
schestowitz Lots of Mac users virtualise Windows. Sep 21 19:09
schestowitz _Doug: yes, but Microsoft INNOVA~1 this with “hypercalls” Sep 21 19:09
schestowitz It created an ‘extension’ equivalent to penalise through rewrds in terms of performance to ‘taxed’ Linuxes. Sep 21 19:10
schestowitz If people don’t realise this yet, then they don’t keep an eye on the ball, which is why the media coverage of this latest ‘news’ annoys me. They described this as “Microsoft plays with Linux VMs”. Pete Judge in ZDNet UK was right to stand out by saying “SUSE”, not “Linux”. Microsoft helps create two ‘classes’ of Linuxes: ‘legal’ and ‘edgy’ (or  balance -sheet liability,  as opposed to “community”) Sep 21 19:12
_Doug Can I run Wine on SuSE on hypervisor on Windows 2008 on Hyper-V ? Sep 21 19:15
_Doug And can I thrn install Vista on Wine ? Sep 21 19:16
_Doug Virtual server backups prone to failure .. Sep 21 19:18
_Doug http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/09/19/Virtual_serve… Sep 21 19:18
_Doug Can an OS running in a VM environment ever be as stable as one running natively ? Sep 21 19:19
_Doug As a techie working in an IT environment, do I really want one ? Sep 21 19:20
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_Doug From my experience, rebooting a working OS is always an excercise in faith, never mind after an ‘upgrade’. Sep 21 19:21
_Doug Sticking all this on top of an emulator strikes me as temting faith … Sep 21 19:22
schestowitz _Doug: it’s not stable, no. Sep 21 19:22
schestowitz Let it be added that Novell agreed from the start that SLES would run /under/ Windows. How foolish and submissive is /that/? Sep 21 19:23
schestowitz Analogy: have a corvette run on top of a skateboard (CNET). Sep 21 19:23
schestowitz http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/64166.html Sep 21 19:24
_Doug All these references in the press to VM is dangerous, as the PHB is going to read it and coome into work tomorrow and demand to know why we don’t have VM already, why are we behind the curve .. :) Sep 21 19:24
_Doug corvette run on top of a skateboard : nice one .. :) Sep 21 19:25
schestowitz Yes, this was pointed out last year. VM hype. Sep 21 19:25
schestowitz But some people want to run some Wndows apps on Mac or Linux (servers or desktop) Sep 21 19:25
_Doug “A so-called time bomb was added into an early version of the software — a fairly common development practice” Sep 21 19:26
_Doug Total bollix, if you don’t mind me saying so … Sep 21 19:26
schestowitz For Microsoft there’s a hidden agenda here. I wrote about it before, but read closely. Sep 21 19:26
schestowitz There’s a new campaign called “go virtual now” Sep 21 19:26
schestowitz Microsoft is hyping it up but only with Hyper-V Sep 21 19:26
schestowitz They can use Hyper-V as a gatekeeper to leave Red Hat out in the cold. Sep 21 19:26
schestowitz Hypothetical scenario: Sep 21 19:27
schestowitz Company has Red Hat servers and Debian all over the place… chugging along in the back room without a problem. Sep 21 19:27
schestowitz Then comes some clueless Steel-like CIO asking to follow Mirosoft’s advice and “go virtual” Sep 21 19:27
schestowitz What to use? VMWare? “Expensive,” he’ll say. Sep 21 19:28
schestowitz “Windows 2008,” s/he’ll say, “is kind of like Linux with the CLI [Microsoft markets it that way] and it has virtualisation as a feature… built in.” Sep 21 19:28
schestowitz So $Peon gets that Windows thingie (spare $3000), then puts GNU/Linux on it… but wait… it doesn’t work well… he need to buy SLES and pay Microsoft some Linux tax. What for? Good question. Nobody know, but it’s part of the cartel. Sep 21 19:29
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schestowitz Anyway, that’s just one problem (the cost). The other issue is then stability. How on earth can you rely on SLES when it sits on Windows. Sep 21 19:30
_Doug I admire your deviousness, purr of evil .. :) Sep 21 19:30
schestowitz Mind you, the psychic some people know as Laura Didio surveyed folks to find that WS08 has /WORSE/ uptime than WS03. Sep 21 19:30
_Doug SLED on Windows .. good point .. madhatter time .. Sep 21 19:31
schestowitz UNIX and Linux were well ahead. So… not only us GNU/Linux down more (it relies on Windows), but it also needs maintenance with patches and all, as well as BOTH Wndows licences and SUSE licences (which also include  Linux ‘tax’). Okay? But wait… Sep 21 19:31
_Doug Free Software Shouldn’t Mean You Can’t Make a Buck Sep 21 19:31
_Doug http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Free-Softwa… Sep 21 19:31
schestowitz Then, CIO busts the grunt’s door, blamiing tha Lunix thingie. Sep 21 19:32
schestowitz “Why is it down so often?” he says. “Why pay two licences?” Good question. Sep 21 19:32
schestowitz So now there’s more reasons to cut off the Lunix [sic] altogether. Microsoft makes GNU/Linux look bad: expensive and not performany. Sep 21 19:33
_Doug http://www.ubersoft.net/ Sep 21 19:33
schestowitz *performant (if that’s a proper word Sep 21 19:33
_Doug I should have vtaken up that other job offer, wanna know what it was ? Sep 21 19:34
schestowitz Go ahead. Sep 21 19:34
_Doug Running an ‘escort’ agency site .. Sep 21 19:34
_Doug At least I would have kept my dignity .. :) Sep 21 19:34
schestowitz If it’s just a site, then your hands are kept clean. Sep 21 19:35
_Doug Personally checking in the ‘staff’ .. Sep 21 19:35
schestowitz Some company in London that developers Casono solutions offered me a job back in 2003. I declined. Sep 21 19:35
_Doug Get me a white streatch limo and drive up and down with by bitches in the back .. oh what a life .. Sep 21 19:35
schestowitz Wait, we’re talking not about Ford Escorts, do we? :-) Sep 21 19:36
_Doug Instead, all I ever wanted to do was fix machinery .. oh well .. Sep 21 19:36
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_Doug What’s Casono ? Sep 21 19:36
schestowitz Casino (typo) Sep 21 19:36
schestowitz No, they only develop software. Orbis. Sep 21 19:36
_Doug ok, got to take a break … Sep 21 19:37
schestowitz I still have the contract somewhere on my PC. Sep 21 19:37
schestowitz Gambling is no good to society and developing proprietary casonoware is no constructive occupation of dignity. Sep 21 19:38
schestowitz In retrospect, given the state of the industry (offshoring and all), it wonderful that I made a career change and stepped into research. Sep 21 19:38
schestowitz I’m still keeping in touch with computing, not just medicine, maths and all that malarky. Sep 21 19:39
schestowitz There’s a good discussion about the economy and the frauds in many companies at the moment. In COLA too… since you don’t read it, well, I guess I could repeat it here. Novell is affected too. Sep 21 19:42
*benJIman wonders what schestowitz’s research subject is. Sep 21 19:46
schestowitz Good post: http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/09/20/t… Sep 21 19:48
schestowitz Image analysis mainly. Sep 21 19:49
_Doug benJIman: what do you study ? Sep 21 19:52
benJIman _Doug: I am no longer a student. Sep 21 19:52
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schestowitz Where are you now? Sep 21 19:54
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benJIman Near london. Sep 21 19:54
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schestowitz FTC busy again: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/20746/1075/ Sep 21 20:01
_Doug benJIman: aren’t you barred ? Sep 21 20:01
_Doug new version of MythTV released Sep 21 20:04
_Doug http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=05098 Sep 21 20:04
_Doug Top 10 reasons why Steve Ballmer should be certified insane .. Sep 21 20:08
_Doug http://www.itwire.com/content/view/20745/53/ Sep 21 20:08
schestowitz Yes, seen that a moment ago. Sep 21 20:09
schestowitz That remark about the stock is curious. Sep 21 20:09
schestowitz Ballmer: “There is such an overvaluation of technology stocks that it is absurd. I would include our stock in that category. It is bad for the long-term worth of the economy.” Sep 21 20:11
schestowitz http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/14796 Sep 21 20:11
schestowitz Emphasis on “It is bad for the long-term worth of the economy.” That was then, this is now: http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article3656.html Sep 21 20:11
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_Doug Given the current instability, I don’t think anyone whould want to rack the boat .. Sep 21 20:15
schestowitz I have a new .sig for COLA (will last for a couple of weeks until it’s absorbed): “There is such an overvaluation of technology stocks that it is absurd. I would include our stock in that category. It is bad for the long-term worth of the economy.” Sep 21 20:18
_Doug Except for the people that started the rumor that HBOS was about to fail, and then sold it short .. :) Sep 21 20:19
schestowitz Well, yeah, but that just shows what a corrupt place the stock market has always been. Sep 21 20:20
schestowitz The mom-and-pops suffer the most because they have no inside information. The crooks manipulate things, so they win the most. GL had a link the other day about new regulation in news. Sep 21 20:21
_Doug You sound suprised ? tell us something we don’t already know Sep 21 20:22
_Doug As a consolation, you and the rest, get to work for the next 20 years to pay off the dept Sep 21 20:22
schestowitz _Doug: no, it’s old news. Sep 21 20:23
schestowitz For the second time you claim that I purport to be stating something new. I had this discussion about selling short when I was a teenager. My dad explained this to me. In short, Wall Street is a casino, albeit a sophisticated one with TV channels and all.. (yes, I’m exaggerating) Sep 21 20:24
_Doug The root cause being allowing morgages to be clumped and diced and sliced and resold on ad nausium .. Sep 21 20:25
_Doug The ‘priduct’ being ultimately show to be worthless … Sep 21 20:26
_Doug We had a ‘tech bubble’ crash, now this is a ‘real world’ crash Sep 21 20:27
schestowitz :-) Sep 21 20:27
schestowitz Well puy Sep 21 20:27
schestowitz *put Sep 21 20:27
_Doug How the ‘instrument’ was first invented is described in ‘Liars Poker’ Sep 21 20:28
schestowitz Apart from the “we”. Not everyone is affected. Those who are hit worse are probably Americans… not as bad for Canadians. Sep 21 20:28
_Doug http://www.amazon.com/Liars-Poker-Rising… Sep 21 20:28
schestowitz Read it yet? Sep 21 20:29
_Doug ‘We’ are going to be paying for this, for the next decade, through higher taxes and prices .. Sep 21 20:29
_Doug Yea I read it years ago .. Sep 21 20:29
schestowitz “As described by Lewis, liar’s poker is a game played in idle moments by workers on Wall Street, the objective of which is to reward trickery and deceit. With this as a metaphor, Lewis describes his four years with the Wall Street firm Salomon Brothers, from his bizarre hiring through the training program to his years as a successful bond trader.” Sep 21 20:29
schestowitz I bet the likes of Alex Jones will have a day trip. Sep 21 20:30
_Doug It’s all there: lets buy up morgages, slice and dice them and sell on as ‘packages’ Sep 21 20:30
_Doug Alex Jones is a NutJob .. gives conspiricy theorists a bad name :) Sep 21 20:30
schestowitz I have friends with mortgages and debt. Scary… especially for them. Sep 21 20:30
schestowitz Alex goes too far, I agree. Sep 21 20:31
schestowitz Ike (spelling?) is even worse. Sep 21 20:31
schestowitz Crocodile nonsense… Sep 21 20:31
_Doug They had to change the law to allow such ‘packages’ to be traded on the stock exchange, before that it was illegal, for good reason !!! Sep 21 20:31
_Doug Remember the south east asian bubble that went burst, well this time they brankupted the US ! Sep 21 20:32
schestowitz Is Greenspan and the other ‘geniuses’ still in reign? They must have known and anticipated this. I reckon some of those unnecessary wars are at least partly interlinked. A lot of the wealth (real weath… not imaginary one) is in Arab states and countries like Singapore, I think. Sep 21 20:33
_Doug The Oracle of WallStreet, is gone .. Sep 21 20:33
schestowitz :-S Sep 21 20:33
schestowitz Which one\? Sep 21 20:33
_Doug You could take any of his pronouncments as meaning the exact opposite :) Sep 21 20:33
_Doug You don’t need a conspiricy, Greed is GOOD !!! Sep 21 20:34
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Greenspan Sep 21 20:34
schestowitz “Alan Greenspan (born March 6, 1926 in New York City) is an American economist and was from 1987 to 2006 the Chairman of the Federal Reserve of the United States. “ Sep 21 20:34
schestowitz He left at a good time. Got his knighthood and all and then ran home. Sep 21 20:35
_Doug http://www.rdwarf.com/users/kioh/ Sep 21 20:35
schestowitz “His honorary titles include Knight Commander of the British Empire, bestowed in 2002 and Commander of the Légion d’honneur (Legion of Honor).” Watch the photo next to it with Bush. Sep 21 20:36
_Doug The prime function of the CotFED is to inspire confidence, to that respect he must predict, or give the impression of being able to predict the future. Sep 21 20:36
_Doug So if he says the economy is going up, and people believe him, then they’ll buy, and the economy will indeed improve ..# Sep 21 20:37
schestowitz *LOL* good URL. Sep 21 20:38
_Doug Like a king of old, he has to be sacraficed to the Gods before peopel realise he has feet of clay .. Sep 21 20:38
schestowitz Well, he *looks* smart. Sep 21 20:38
schestowitz I mean, they gave him a gown and a medal and all…and glorify the oracles in the media. Much like other bubbles in any case, including some at the micro level… like Micro-soft. Sep 21 20:39
_Doug Exactly: http://www.thepostgame.com/wordpress/wp-con… Sep 21 20:39
_Doug Not like him :) Sep 21 20:39
schestowitz Build the image of a mighty software company that controls the world (never mind if it relies on piracy and puts back doors in software along with the NSA)… Sep 21 20:40
schestowitz *LOL* at that last one. Sep 21 20:40
_Doug The mighty software company got mighty because it got millions of people to work for it for nothing and give it money besides, in the form of ‘licenses’ :) Sep 21 20:41
_Doug Trouble for the ‘west’ is the ‘third world’ don’t want to buy it’s cars or goods, as they have their own, so what’s left to sell them ? Sep 21 20:42
schestowitz Yes, well that’s the pyramiding. Sep 21 20:42
_Doug And most of the raw resources the west needs is in the ‘third world’ Sep 21 20:43
schestowitz See http://www.billparish.com/msftfraudfacts.html Sep 21 20:43
schestowitz “Sadly, many of these brilliant people have been blinded by the stock price and unable to see that Microsoft is also the key architect of the greatest financial pyramid scheme this century. It is not uncommon for participants in pyramid schemes to lose their emotional bearings. My close friends who work at Microsoft are particularly upset over my work and it is possible that even Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer do not realize the im Sep 21 20:44
schestowitz plications of their financial practices.” Sep 21 20:44
schestowitz This guy has just removed his pages that stood there for a long time (see his reasons): http://reactor-core.org/microsoft-pyramid.html Sep 21 20:44
schestowitz “down for renovations and rethinking” Sep 21 20:44
_Doug I am familiar, but such facts are inconvient in the current crisces Sep 21 20:44
schestowitz Web archvive has a copy Sep 21 20:45
schestowitz “As with all pyramid schemes, it is important to get as close to tier 1 as possible. From a practical standpoint, usually only tiers 1 and 2 will derive significant long-term economic rewards from such schemes.” Sep 21 20:45
schestowitz http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://react… Sep 21 20:45
_Doug big secret: most financial ‘business’ is a pyramed, it’s a three card trick .. leme explain .. Sep 21 20:45
_Doug You give £100.00 to the bank and they give you a checkbook. Sep 21 20:46
_Doug You write checks and but goods. Sep 21 20:46
schestowitz Yes, that’s a known thing. Scale is another factor. Sep 21 20:46
_Doug The bank lends your money to other peopel and they buy goods. Sep 21 20:46
_Doug So £100 pounds is magically transformed into £300. Sep 21 20:47
benJIman _Doug: It’s “Cheque” not “Check” Sep 21 20:47
_Doug Only as long as all three people don’t come looking for their money at the same time. Sep 21 20:47
_Doug Get it .. Sep 21 20:47
_Doug That’s international finance 101 Sep 21 20:47
schestowitz Well, better keep the UAE happy then… and keep the oil reserves sufficient. Sep 21 20:48
_Doug as long as there is ‘wealth’ coming into the system, everything is fine .. Sep 21 20:48
schestowitz Well, then you start buying $200 Eees Sep 21 20:48
schestowitz :-) Sep 21 20:49
_Doug Wealth in the form of raw material or physical labor, or consumers buying things .. Sep 21 20:49
_Doug When that don’t happen, you invent an ENRON Sep 21 20:49
_Doug Or invade somewhere with the raw material and ‘sell’ it back to them .. Sep 21 20:50
schestowitz Well, it’s a bit different ’cause you can put it thusly: American hadly even fulfills its own needs now. People buy Chinese merchandise. Export? Haha. Not much, thank you. Sep 21 20:50
_Doug Except if they have nuclear weapons .. :o Sep 21 20:50
schestowitz Well, let’s not go there yet. :-| Sep 21 20:50
_Doug Like: the UK used sell salt to the saharian Arabs .. :) Sep 21 20:50
_Doug Now the west sells OIl to the Iraqies Sep 21 20:51
schestowitz Well, it’s the 51st state Sep 21 20:51
schestowitz (Iraw, I mean) Sep 21 20:51
schestowitz *Iraq Sep 21 20:51
_Doug No, the UK is .. Sep 21 20:51
schestowitz Okay, 52nd Sep 21 20:52
_Doug and we are damn proud to be Americans, Sep 21 20:52
_Doug So China sells us cheap goods, what to sell China, arms and IP ? Sep 21 20:52
schestowitz So sharing the burden internationally is the solution? Or letting G8 ‘manage’ the wealth? http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://reactor-co… Sep 21 20:53
schestowitz BTW, Labour is at ‘my’ gym right now. Sep 21 20:53
schestowitz Midland Hotel. They are staying there for a week… the annual conference. So I go to Fitness First instead… it’s not too bad actually. Sep 21 20:53
_Doug people don’t want to know, just sleep safely in their beds. Sep 21 20:53
schestowitz Well, my friend Mike and his g/f won’t have a child because of this situation. “It’s not a good environment to raise a child,” he tells me. He has a mortgage to pay too. Sep 21 20:54
_Doug Under my three cups I have nothing at all .. Sep 21 20:54
schestowitz *LOL* at “arms and IP ?” Sep 21 20:55
schestowitz China would be stupid to let itself become a slave via USPTO Sep 21 20:55
_Doug Well, it’s that simple, we buy their OIL and they ‘buy’ our arms and give the money back again Sep 21 20:55
_Doug China can’t be ‘liberated’ like some other places .. Sep 21 20:56
schestowitz BTW, the Gates bed buddies in China and the Ballmer-McCain thing (Chinese embassy) may be related to future prospects and China’s dominance. You could also see the sheer demonisation ahead of the Olympics. Sep 21 20:56
schestowitz _Doug: no. Sep 21 20:57
_Doug Lets stick to issues, it ain’t about Mr. A, B, or C it’s a whole bigger picture. Sep 21 20:57
schestowitz Acxtually, if you can’t portray them as “evil”, then you can justify overthrowing the leaders with the help of ‘the people’ (as in Republic of the People) Sep 21 20:57
schestowitz _Doug: yes, I reckoned going personal would prove unproductive. Sep 21 20:57
schestowitz And yet, to characterise those involved, examples may help. Sep 21 20:58
schestowitz Make no mistake. Microsoft too (among other companies) is an active participant in politics. Sep 21 20:58
_Doug So the west (the US mostly) is in a bit of a sticky wicket. Nothing to sell, cheep goods coming in from the east and al lthe raw materials in an unstable (can’t be controled) part of the world. Sep 21 20:59
_Doug Not to mention the Ruskies .. Sep 21 21:00
schestowitz http://www.rdwarf.com/users/kioh/ha… Sep 21 21:00
schestowitz Well, they trade i Euro now, so… Sep 21 21:01
_Doug who trades in Euros ? send in the marines !! Sep 21 21:01
_Doug It’s much much worse, I’ve been watching the issue for a long time. Sep 21 21:02
schestowitz How long? Sep 21 21:02
schestowitz *LOL* @ marines. Sep 21 21:02
_Doug There are more dollars outside the US than in, most is tied up with the value of the petro-dollar. Sep 21 21:02
trmanco http://ubuntulite.tuxfamily.org/?q=node/171 Sep 21 21:02
_Doug That’s why the price of OIl has to be kept high. Sep 21 21:02
schestowitz Oh no… Sep 21 21:03
schestowitz I think I saw something like this coming earlier and someone made a similar type of warning. Sep 21 21:03
_Doug There’s also the revenue tied up in illegal pharmaceuticals, one fifth of the GDP of the planet Sep 21 21:04
schestowitz [A-Za-z]buntu™ Sep 21 21:04
_Doug This has to be brought back into the conventional economy. Sep 21 21:04
_Doug That’s why the ‘war on drugs’ is mostly bogus Sep 21 21:04
schestowitz _Doug: illegal in what sense? Sep 21 21:05
_Doug Are you scared yet ? Sep 21 21:05
_Doug herion, cocaine etc .. Sep 21 21:05
schestowitz No, I heard this before. Sep 21 21:05
_Doug I’m just explaining how the real economy operates, and not what you read in the newspapers or on tv .. Sep 21 21:06
schestowitz There’s also a portion of it which is to do with keeping a pyramid, in the sense that there are classes. Leveling won’t do. Sep 21 21:06
schestowitz Me? Newspaper? TV? Naa.. I read and hear the news, not a fable. Sep 21 21:06
schestowitz Although some papers are honest… not many though. Sep 21 21:07
schestowitz Those that criticise Gates for example… get bought, remember? Sep 21 21:07
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AVRS2 url?! Sep 21 21:08
_Doug got to go .. Sep 21 21:08
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schestowitz I’m trying to find one. Sep 21 21:08
AVRS2 Nah, I mean the Ubuntu letter. Sep 21 21:09
AVRS2 *e-mail Sep 21 21:09
schestowitz I have a few here: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/… But there’s more. Sep 21 21:09
ReverseGTR Microsoft and Novell take a step with their relationship into the consumer work with Novell’s distro being the first to integrate drivers nessisary to become totally compatible with Microsoft’s Hyper-V virtualization platform: http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/news/art… Sep 21 21:09
schestowitz There’s Linux…………… and then there’s /Novell/ Linux. Sep 21 21:10
ReverseGTR btw, it is Novell’s SUSE distro that is for Hyper V which makes many wonder what will be the fate of Red Hat Sep 21 21:10
MinceR Microsoft Linux, SuSE Edition. Sep 21 21:10
MinceR there’s also Xandros Edition and Turbolinux Edition. there was Linspire Edition but i hear it’s gone under already. Sep 21 21:11
ReverseGTR MinceR: and it will be separated into PC Literate, Expert and We Will Spoil You if you pay us allot support packages Sep 21 21:11
MinceR :) Sep 21 21:11
schestowitz Yes. Sep 21 21:11
*MinceR sings “We Will, We Will F**k You” Sep 21 21:12
schestowitz Don’t sing. SweatyB might dance. Sep 21 21:12
ReverseGTR MinceR: M$ is going to throw in some pre-paid prositutes? Sep 21 21:12
ReverseGTR sweet Sep 21 21:12
schestowitz Coupons. Sep 21 21:13
MinceR nah Sep 21 21:13
MinceR just the usual screwing the customer deal. Sep 21 21:13
schestowitz They toss them from the airplanes. I think Moglen said this. Sep 21 21:13
ReverseGTR schestowitz: awww Sep 21 21:13
schestowitz Just take them, take them. Sep 21 21:13
schestowitz “Ditch Red Hat,” they say Sep 21 21:13
schestowitz Come to Pen SUSE. Sep 21 21:13
MinceR it’s all right for SweatyB to dance as long as he does it on a narrow ledge. Sep 21 21:13
schestowitz [hides knife behind back] Sep 21 21:13
schestowitz Microsoft doesn’t mind Linux growing a little as long as it’s inside the ‘pen’ Sep 21 21:14
MinceR if they knew more, they would mind. Sep 21 21:14
schestowitz Later on Microsoft can do some slaughtering. I wrote about it last year and SJVN then repeated the analogy. Sep 21 21:15
ReverseGTR schestowitz: you can find out more from their spin doctors at the M$/Novell PR Orgy room: http://www.moreinterop.com/ Sep 21 21:15
MinceR it’s easy to switch from suse to a real distro. Sep 21 21:15
schestowitz Well, try to beat the ‘media Sep 21 21:15
schestowitz BN does about 20,000 on good days, but the media is like what? Millions of pages? Sep 21 21:15
schestowitz “Microsoft hails open source reach” Sep 21 21:15
schestowitz “Microsoft plays with Linux” Sep 21 21:15
schestowitz “Hyper-V works with Novell… Interop! Sol-loo-shens” Sep 21 21:16
ReverseGTR schestowitz: “plays” as in never takes it seriously Sep 21 21:16
schestowitz Plays like a cat plays with a mouse.. Sep 21 21:16
schestowitz Learning where to bite. Sep 21 21:17
ReverseGTR good analogy Sep 21 21:17
MinceR except that in this case, the mouse will eat the cat, it just doesn’t realize yet. Sep 21 21:17
schestowitz Microsoft is open…, like a bear trap. Sep 21 21:17
schestowitz Well, there are many mice. Sep 21 21:17
ReverseGTR mice  that will start starving for market share Sep 21 21:18
schestowitz Unless Microsoft… errr… I mean “fat cat”  can  make all these Ubuntu and RedHats go away. Sep 21 21:18
schestowitz The picture of Xfce comes to mind. Sep 21 21:18
schestowitz Subscriptions rather. Sep 21 21:18
schestowitz ReverseGTR: were you here last night? Sep 21 21:19
ReverseGTR schestowitz: from what I read Xfce is a good GUI,  ecspecially when it comes to developing distros that are integrated into mobo ROMs. and no I was not Sep 21 21:19
schestowitz We had a discussion about XenSource and I’ll post about it tomorrow. It’s about his Nathan Myhrvold’s brother and co at Ignite Partners helps the hijack of Xen, which Ubuntu and Red Hat depended on. Sep 21 21:20
schestowitz Microsoft is ‘runs’ EMC/VMware too…it’s bizarre, truly. Sep 21 21:20
schestowitz ReverseGTR: I mentioned Xfce because of the mouse. Sep 21 21:20
schestowitz http://www.xfce.org/layout/images/logo.png Sep 21 21:20
ReverseGTR oh lol, didn’t realise they had such a logo Sep 21 21:21
schestowitz I haven’t actually used Xfce for like 8 years. Sep 21 21:21
schestowitz http://ubuntulite.tuxfamily.org/?q=node/171 “Michelle, The Trademark Team” Sep 21 21:21
schestowitz 200 people in a company that cannot make many patches to the kernel, but they have a “Trademark Team”? Sep 21 21:22
ReverseGTR schestowitz: welcome to the wild world of software marketing where like Steve Jobs said: “good artists create, great artists steal.” Sep 21 21:26
schestowitz With sharing and attribution, some of this is  resolved. Sep 21 21:27
ReverseGTR schestowitz: but if there is a will there is a way and many businesses will employ large legal teams just to find some loophole in the licensing and either reverse-engineer or just flat out add it to their product or service Sep 21 21:29
ReverseGTR schestowitz: but yea the more software is shared the more people use that product/service and the less likely they would look favoribley on another that resembles what they helped create Sep 21 21:30
schestowitz The preparation of the Novell/Microsoft deal/collusion/partnership took approximately 6 months and involved feedback at various levels. A few top employees were involved as well. At the heart of the deal was a stake to be inserted into the heart of the GPL (v2 at the time). Again, that’s why we must respond. Sep 21 21:30
pombat42 Hello all! xfce is a great window manager but what has to be done is to make certain that with the various mainstream versions of Linux that use KDE or gnome, that all, and I mean every single one, programs that are in the menus are also in the xfce menus should a person choose to install xfce from the repository Sep 21 21:31
schestowitz What complicates this further is the attempt to use the code /against/ the community (particularly actual vendors like Red Hat), using patents, driver voids (e.g. Hyper-V, Mono permissions, clones). Sep 21 21:31
pombat42 nothing is more frustrating to a user than to experiment with xfce with say Ubuntu only to discover that many, or in some cases, all of the stock applications do not show up in the menus. Sep 21 21:32
ReverseGTR schestowitz: so Microsoft wants to be at the heart of the controll machine or what they think is central to managing open source and then changing standards to oust the largest competitors. Sep 21 21:32
schestowitz This new article is very relevant to the DE diversity: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080918-openmok… Sep 21 21:32
schestowitz pombat42: Mandriva did a splendid job at integrating GNOME and KDE apps based on my experience with 2008.1 (I only used Mandrake in the past on two PCs) Sep 21 21:33
pombat42 ReverseGTR : Of course they do. That’s the way they operate. If this were baseball and they had 2 strikes against them in the bottom of the 9th they would change the rules to allow 4 strikes. After buying out the umpires contract of course Sep 21 21:34
schestowitz ReverseGTR: yes, and they can legally do so. People must resist, but true information is scarce. Sep 21 21:34
schestowitz Groklaw is OK. Sep 21 21:34
pombat42 Schestowitz: Thanks! How did Mandriva do with xfce and windowmaker though? Ubuntu does decent with xfce but dies badly with windowmaker Sep 21 21:35
schestowitz Then there’s SJVN, who gave Novell a little whipping for “IP peace of mind,” but he’s still a SLED fan. Sep 21 21:35
ReverseGTR schestowitz: I hope Openmoko and Maemo become a force to be reconned with in the mobile market Sep 21 21:35
pombat42 once phones separate the physical phone from the contract, things will begin to start cooking with gas! Sep 21 21:36
schestowitz pombat42: no traces of Xfce on this machine, but there’s Mandriva 2008.1 Xfce edition, which is a /COMMUNITY/ effort only. Beranger praised it. Sep 21 21:36
pombat42 Nice to know! I’m sure that one has it all there. I haven’t used Mandriva since it was Mandrake though. I like Slackware mostly Sep 21 21:37
schestowitz Some things are still /blowing up’ in Mand2009, but it’s not final and it’s KDE4 (work in progress). Alanw wrote some stuff about it yesterday. Sep 21 21:37
schestowitz Maemo? Sep 21 21:37
schestowitz Isn’t that kind of closed? Or at least, based on what I’ve read, Nokia lost control to the community of users, so it’s not happy. It wants DRM and ‘stuff’ Sep 21 21:38
schestowitz pombat42: there are other issues with mobile phones like transmission and radiation, IMHO. Sep 21 21:38
pombat42 Nokia from what I have heard is on the tight rope walking both sides and seeing which way it falls. Sep 21 21:38
ReverseGTR schestowitz: they have been mostly closing it up from the driver end with the N810′s DSP being run through a proprietary tarbar but aside from that there is still an active open source developement community for it Sep 21 21:39
schestowitz I can’t help wondering if it’s ‘the next smoking’. I bet it’s those with vested intertests that publish or fund contradictory studies. It’s just like global warning. Sep 21 21:39
schestowitz Let me find a link that I sent my dad. Sep 21 21:39
pombat42 take care people. have a good evening/day Sep 21 21:40
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schestowitz Got it : http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9999188-1.ht… Sep 21 21:40
MinceR if nokia management had half a brain, they’d realize the DRM bubble is close to being popped. Sep 21 21:40
schestowitz Yes, tell Ari. :-) Sep 21 21:40
schestowitz http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2008… Sep 21 21:41
ReverseGTR schestowitz: well on the other side of Nokia’s software is Symbian which has been given to a consortium that I think now Google is a part of since Android’s API may merge into Symbian’s kernel in the future. Sep 21 21:41
schestowitz Symbian is now Nokia and they FUD Linux. Sep 21 21:41
schestowitz In the most pathetic ways too. They alienate the very same people whom they crave and need desperately. Sep 21 21:42
ReverseGTR schestowitz: but wouldn’t that mean they pretty much given up on patching up Maemo? Sep 21 21:42
schestowitz Tip #1: don’t insult  your customer to sell Sep 21 21:42
schestowitz ReverseGTR: got a link about it. Sep 21 21:43
schestowitz There was that “J Gold” BS, which was debunked very heavily. By Google too, IIRC. Besides, Nokia competes with Google, it even ‘stole’ Qt. Sep 21 21:43
ReverseGTR schestowitz: I am sure in the future Nokia will have management that is more open minded since Finland as a country has the most Linux users. Sep 21 21:44
schestowitz For sure? Sep 21 21:44
schestowitz Firefox I know about, but GNU/Linux? Sep 21 21:44
ReverseGTR schestowitz: well from what I heard from people who have been to Finland and seeing everything that comes out that is not from Nokia is basically running on Linux. Sep 21 21:45
schestowitz http://www.archive.org/search.php?quer… Sep 21 21:45
ReverseGTR like this: http://technorati.com/posts/kedOO4… Sep 21 21:45
*schestowitz looks Sep 21 21:46
ReverseGTR its pretty neat, a 32 inch multitouch whose smoothness puts the M$ Surface to shame Sep 21 21:47
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ReverseGTR I was just saying how it is much faster and smoother then the M$ Surface Sep 21 21:47
schestowitz Can you paste it? Sep 21 21:47
ReverseGTR http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/01/multi… Sep 21 21:47
schestowitz Ah Sep 21 21:47
schestowitz Well, Surface is predated by Linux devices. Sep 21 21:48
schestowitz Research stuff mostly. Sep 21 21:48
ReverseGTR true Sep 21 21:48
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/11/irc-l… Sep 21 21:48
schestowitz Links therein. Sep 21 21:48
schestowitz brb Sep 21 21:50
AVRS2 gn Sep 21 21:51
schestowitz I’m back now anyway Sep 21 21:53
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ReverseGTR schestowitz: I have only known one place that is using the Microsoft Surface and that is the AT&T Store in Times Square NY, NY Sep 21 21:54
schestowitz The shop. :-) Sep 21 21:55
schestowitz Microsoft sold a million Zunes… to the warehouses. Sep 21 21:55
schestowitz It’s called channel-stuffing of course and they did the same with XBox360 and Office 2007 (I have references). I have no references showing channel-stuffing of Vista, but Vista is worse. Sep 21 21:56
schestowitz In that case of Vista, they count even /downgrade’ to XP now as one Vista sale but TWO, according to what I was told XP sale is counted as Vista by Microsoft, which also tied it to every PC. I believe it’s called double-sipping and it gives a false perception of warn embrace. Sep 21 21:57
schestowitz “/downgrades/ to XP not..” (pardon my lack of proofreading Sep 21 21:58
schestowitz *dipping Sep 21 21:58
schestowitz *warm (okay, I’ll start proofreading, I promise) Sep 21 21:59
ReverseGTR schestowitz: in that case they seem to be only deluding themselves since Dell and HP have extended plans to continue bundling XP. And even HP maybe designing a new Unix based OS for their enterprise servers. Sep 21 21:59
schestowitz Not GNU/Linux-based? Sep 21 22:00
ReverseGTR I still think the rumors of HP making a desktop OS are to state the least dumfounded. However, I also feel that Virtual Machines will catch on more before anybody starts looking into M$ alternatives. Sep 21 22:01
ReverseGTR schestowitz: concerning HP’s OS it is mostly rumors, but based on their past Unix OS probably not Sep 21 22:01
schestowitz H-P sort of denied it. Well, someone sure tried to retract rumours spurred by BW. Sep 21 22:01
schestowitz They GPLv2ed one of their UNIX FSes recently, no? Could this be related? Possibly? Sep 21 22:01
ReverseGTR schestowitz: could be Sep 21 22:02
schestowitz They are too tied to Microsoft though. Sep 21 22:02
ReverseGTR schestowitz: I know Dell’s stunt with Ubuntu was strictly marketing since I don’t see them sold any longer Sep 21 22:02
schestowitz The Silverlight bundle, the toolbars, the OOXML lobby, the Home Server relationship. They also made some major deal back in early 2007. Sep 21 22:02
schestowitz Speaking of which, they are said to have been involved in those Vista collusions that /still/ have Microsoft in court facing class action. Sep 21 22:03
ReverseGTR schestowitz: maybe if HP has their own distro it will run as an “enlightened guest” on MS’s Hyper-V. Sep 21 22:03
schestowitz Well, rPath would be a fit. They collaborate with Microsoft (they actually sponsored them) and they liaised with Novell. Sep 21 22:04
schestowitz What makes it so bizarre is their Red Hat roots.. They turned to SUSE after reportedly being rejected and turned away by Red Hat and another which I can’t recall for sure… maybe Canonical. Sep 21 22:05
ReverseGTR schestowitz: so you are stating that MS’s Hyper-V will actually be the next version of rPath? Sep 21 22:05
schestowitz No, not quite. Sep 21 22:05
schestowitz rPath gives tools for Linux appliances that are custom made. Sep 21 22:05
schestowitz As I understand it, business X can use their services to build a distro Y for good deployment. Now… that can be put on a PC as a VM. Sep 21 22:06
ReverseGTR schestowitz: well it stated in the Novell SUSE for MS Hyper-V article that Canonical had a hand in developing. Sep 21 22:06
schestowitz Whatever goes below (a VM layer… middleware _so to speak_) is a separate matter. Sep 21 22:06
schestowitz Watch what ASUS has been doing… virtualising WIndows /under/ Linux in Express Gate. Sep 21 22:07
ReverseGTR ok so they pretty much create or optimize applications and drivers to run or run smoother in VM Sep 21 22:07
schestowitz Phoenix also and Microsoft wasn’t happy… changed it EULA and got stung by antitrust, then forced to retract the trickery. Sep 21 22:07
schestowitz Lastly you have Dell, which is putting Linux as based, as standard. Many laptops will boot Linux by defauly. Sep 21 22:08
schestowitz ReverseGTR: rBuilder is their main product, I believe. Sep 21 22:08
ReverseGTR schestowitz: awesome, so it was more then a marketing stunt afterall Sep 21 22:08
ReverseGTR for Dell Sep 21 22:08
schestowitz Their ease of creation is the selling point, but I could be wrong. It needs studying. Sep 21 22:09
schestowitz You could build your distro using a Web UI and then d/l it. Sep 21 22:09
schestowitz ReverseGTR: it’s a separate thing. Sep 21 22:09
schestowitz They spoke about it in LinuxWOrld 2007, IIRC> Sep 21 22:09
schestowitz Maybe a bit later. Let me pull  my reds. Sep 21 22:09
schestowitz refs Sep 21 22:09
schestowitz Here’s one: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.ad… Sep 21 22:10
schestowitz Little more here, but I want to find the older ones: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linu… Sep 21 22:11
schestowitz Yes, they dropped clues in LinuxWorld 2007 (IDG). Found it:  http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocac… Sep 21 22:12
schestowitz http://weblog.infoworld.com/virtualization/ar… : Dell Creating Consumer PCs Complete with Virtualization Sep 21 22:13
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/… : Dell to stuff hypervisors in flash memory Sep 21 22:13
ReverseGTR schestowitz: speaking of Windows on Maemo Linux virtualization here is a 3.1 on the DOS emulator DOSBOX: http://www.pdatoday.com/index.php/weblo… Sep 21 22:13
schestowitz http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070808-d… : Dell considers bundling virtualization on motherboards Sep 21 22:13
schestowitz Last one: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Linux-and-virt… : Linux and virtualisation are ideal partners: Dell Sep 21 22:13
schestowitz Wasn’t Windows ‘emulated’ of VMed inside DOS until Win98? Sep 21 22:14
ReverseGTR schestowitz: I didn’t think it was emulated I thought M$ just kept some legacy drivers around so 3.1 apps can run Sep 21 22:15
ReverseGTR schestowitz: oh oops, I meant that DOS was the kernel and Windows was the API Sep 21 22:15
ReverseGTR that is how I always thought the relationship was with Windows and DOS with the exception of NT4 Sep 21 22:16
schestowitz There was a huge thread about it that I started in USENET a while back. Sep 21 22:16
schestowitz I’m no Windows guru, so I stayed out of it. Sep 21 22:16
schestowitz Later came a sort of rebuttal: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os… Sep 21 22:17
ReverseGTR schestowitz: I always thought that Windows relied on DOS, but less and less through the years (with the exception of NT4) until XP came out which started out as a spruced up version of Windows 2000 (which is based on NT4). Sep 21 22:17
ReverseGTR ok I guess DOS was already becoming pretty insignifigant when it came to running apps and elements of the API by Windows 95. I guess it is just a testament how Microsoft dragged their feet when it came to further developing the OS for customers. Sep 21 22:19
ReverseGTR schestowitz: anyway, I g2g and thanks for the links. Sep 21 22:22
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schestowitz neighborlee: any news on Mono? Been a busy day in the comments about Mono. Sep 21 22:42
twitter Win3.1 on doxbox.  That’s worked out since Etch.  Seems almost stable under Lenny.  Wine is easier and more useful.  Virtualbox should do the nastiest of legacy stuff. Sep 21 22:59
twitter Don’t need any of it myself now. Sep 21 23:00
twitter As for Windows code, it seems to be some of the stalest code in the world.  Things are patched onto it, bugs remain. Sep 21 23:01
schestowitz The looks of Windows XP evoke repulsion, but it can be skinned. I hardly see it though… just in YouTube videos and screenshot. Sep 21 23:01
twitter XP is more than ugly, it’s annoying.  Lots of intrusive popups, no virtual desktops to hide them. Sep 21 23:02
schestowitz In Windows 95 there was a delete-freeze bug that stayed there for almost 10 years, IIRC. Sep 21 23:02
schestowitz I once saw this happening when a colleague deleted some files. I could not believe my eyes. Later someone in USENET explained it. Sep 21 23:03
twitter About the lowest thing I’ve seen, outside of the Gator Purple Ape, is the AOL Burger King buddy. Sep 21 23:04
schestowitz It was two things actually: 1) the computer froze for like 10 minutes (yes, that’s ‘normal’); 2) seletion was painfully slow. No GUI-free/CLI option for it. Sep 21 23:04
schestowitz KDE had a similar big, but not so severe. I posted it to Digg yesterday: http://digg.com/linux_unix/KDE_32_times_faster_de… Sep 21 23:05
schestowitz Also made the front page some hours ago: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Linux_Can_… (brought down Linux Today. *LOL*) Sep 21 23:05
twitter I saw a flashing, always on top screen on a classmate’s computer and asked him about it.  He calmly explained that it was an advertisement “buddy” that was a cost of using his chat client. Sep 21 23:06
twitter going to look at links Sep 21 23:06
schestowitz Microsoft tests similar costs. Spying and adverts as part of a ‘free’ (gratis) O/S. Since they already give it for free in most countries — and to schools that threaten to go GNU/Linux — then I guess it’t the smart thing for Microsoft to do. Sep 21 23:08
twitter I’ve had problems from time to time using Konqueror 3.5x to copy directories by sftp.  Sometimes the nested files don’t go through.  grsync works every time. Sep 21 23:12
schestowitz I never had such a problem experienced. Sep 21 23:12
schestowitz I used to be using gftp Sep 21 23:12
schestowitz When I used KDE 3.1 anyway… it seems not to have supported SFTP properly.. just FTP, but I can’t recall for sure. Sep 21 23:13
twitter Can’t remember as far back as Woody anymore.  I do have a hard drive to check, but I think konqueror did sftp then. Sep 21 23:15
twitter Authentication was not as slick. Sep 21 23:15
schestowitz I sometimes use Konqy to upload pictures and videos to BN Sep 21 23:16
schestowitz The WordPress uploaded doesn’t get along with the server when large files are attempted. Sep 21 23:16
twitter The problem got me the other month using Lenny, which is still in testing.  You won’t see it unless you have three or four levels of depth. Sep 21 23:17
twitter The directory structure is put in place but files don’t make it to depth. Sep 21 23:17
schestowitz Have yo reported the bug yet. Will help everyone. Sep 21 23:18
schestowitz Have you reported the bug yet? Will help everyone. Sep 21 23:18
twitter I think the bug was fixed again, but I always copy and check now.  If it’s big and important, I use grsync. Sep 21 23:18
twitter Like I said, the bug has come and gone and it has been rare.  I’ve only been hit two or three times over 8 years. Sep 21 23:19
twitter :) Sep 21 23:19
schestowitz Which version? Sep 21 23:20
schestowitz ..of KDE? Sep 21 23:20
twitter Konqueror 3.5.9 using same KDE. Sep 21 23:22
twitter A picture copy failed me the other day. Sep 21 23:23
twitter Worked the last time I tried it. Sep 21 23:23
schestowitz I should be creful then and check for 404s Sep 21 23:23
twitter You won’t see it on single picture and video moves.  It looked like a nesting problem. Sep 21 23:25
twitter Checking for 404s won’t hurt though. Sep 21 23:25
schestowitz It’s too much to run through. Sep 21 23:26
schestowitz Just looked through the 404 log for schestowitz.com Sep 21 23:26
schestowitz BN outgrew my personal site in terms of traffic. :-o Sep 21 23:26
schestowitz Interesting that “how does short selling work” was the exact search phrase that brought 80 people to my site. People are curious about the frauds now… Sep 21 23:30
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    The Linux Foundation has a new report, promoted by Clickfraud Spamnil and others; of course they’re rejecting Free software, they’re just riding the “Linux” brand and speak of “Open Source” (which they reject themselves)

  22. Links 02/06/2023: Arti 1.1.5 and SQL:2023

    Links for the day

  23. Gemini Links 02/06/2023: Vimwiki Revisited, SGGS Revisited

    Links for the day

  24. Geminispace/GemText/Gemini Protocol Turn 4 on June 20th

    Gemini is turning 4 this month (on the 20th, according to the founder) and I thought I’d do a spontaneous video about how I use Gemini, why it's so good, and why it’s still growing (Stéphane Bortzmeyer fixed the broken cron job — or equivalent of it — a day or two after I had mentioned the issue)

  25. HMRC Does Not Care About Tax Fraud Committed by UK Government Contractor, Sirius 'Open Source'

    The tax crimes of Sirius ‘Open Source’ were reported to HMRC two weeks ago; HMRC did not bother getting back to the reporters (victims of the crime) and it’s worth noting that the reporters worked on UK government systems for many years, so maybe there’s a hidden incentive to bury this under the rug

  26. Our IRC at 15th Anniversary

    So our IRC community turns 15 today (sort of) and I’ve decided to do a video reflecting on the fact that some of the same people are still there after 15 years

  27. IRC Proceedings: Thursday, June 01, 2023

    IRC logs for Thursday, June 01, 2023

  28. Links 02/06/2023: NixOS 23.05 and Rust 1.70.0

    Links for the day

  29. Gemini Links 02/06/2023: Flying High With Gemini and Gogios Released

    Links for the day

  30. Links 01/06/2023: KStars 3.6.5 and VEGA ET1031 RISC-V Microprocessor in Use

    Links for the day

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