01.15.09

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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 14th, 2009 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:48 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

schestowitz	All are close MS allies in India	Jan 14 15:18
schestowitz	Improvements welcome. I’m wriring quickly today. Lots to keep track of (+Comes texts)	Jan 14 15:19
schestowitz	Now a post about 7apourware	Jan 14 15:19
twitter	Cool story, it will have to go into the M$ death watch.	Jan 14 15:19
twitter	” NEWS from India is may change things very quickly.” is may?	Jan 14 15:20
twitter	you might also explain what the “things” are in the first paragraph [I hate AP style too so note that I'm not asking for a single sentence paragraph explaining the whole story :)]	Jan 14 15:22
twitter	” it’s really just a needle in a haystack” I think you mean the tip of the iceberg.	Jan 14 15:24
trmanco	oh great	Jan 14 15:24
trmanco	I’m getting famous	Jan 14 15:24
trmanco	…	Jan 14 15:24
moogstrap	or a needle in a stack of needles. In a needle factory	Jan 14 15:26
trmanco	http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linu…	Jan 14 15:27
trmanco	X-no archive again	Jan 14 15:27
trmanco	sounds familiar	Jan 14 15:27
moogstrap	UK schools beg for cash hrmm? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/…	Jan 14 15:28
twitter	Cool story, you pull together a lot of fraud and link it to GNU/Linux attacks.	Jan 14 15:28
schestowitz	twitter: may = not overstating the cas	Jan 14 15:29
twitter	As M$ runs out of money, it’s partners in fraud are burnt first but M$ can’t be far behind. Without those partners, M$ is powerless.	Jan 14 15:29
schestowitz	I means needle in a haystack	Jan 14 15:29
schestowitz	See the links there.	Jan 14 15:29
schestowitz	There’s lots more to be found and I thought about tip of iceberg before I choose the needle phrase	Jan 14 15:30
schestowitz	trmanco: yes, they want to shut you up	Jan 14 15:30
trmanco	LOL	Jan 14 15:31
trmanco	yeah whatever	Jan 14 15:31
trmanco	…	Jan 14 15:31
trmanco	I just got more motivated	Jan 14 15:31
schestowitz	I know..	Jan 14 15:31
trmanco	I even got a dedicated thread	Jan 14 15:31
schestowitz	That’s what had me started with exploration of MS fraud	Jan 14 15:31
trmanco	…	Jan 14 15:31
schestowitz	The more they attack, the more research they beg for	Jan 14 15:31
schestowitz	“However, Knight didn’t reveal how much cash Microsoft was pumping into the initiative, which has been periodically wheeled out by the Department for Children, Schools and Families (DCSF) for the past 12 months, perhaps in part to help resuscitate Gordon Brown’s premiership.”	Jan 14 15:32
schestowitz	Gordon Brown..	Jan 14 15:32
schestowitz	Mate of BillG	Jan 14 15:32
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schestowitz	“The Microsoft-funded foundation will develop and implement a programme of training and support for teachers, parents, as well as to help create “awareness” for the Home Office programme, said Knight.”	Jan 14 15:34
schestowitz	Smells like corruption	Jan 14 15:34
schestowitz	I’ll write about it	Jan 14 15:34
moogstrap	it’s nothing new. UK politics has sought comfort in big biz ever since the tycoons took over the industry here (and then liquidated the lot of them)	Jan 14 15:36
schestowitz	It’s still corrupt	Jan 14 15:40
schestowitz	They are giving a franchise to a corrupt company	Jan 14 15:40
schestowitz	They are also passing authority to them… over children for example.	Jan 14 15:40
schestowitz	There is no tendering process.	Jan 14 15:40
trmanco	so much for windows 7 bloatware -> http://i.gizmodo.com/5129919/our…	Jan 14 15:41
schestowitz	I am posting about it now	Jan 14 15:42
schestowitz	It’s in my compose windows	Jan 14 15:42
trmanco		Jan 14 15:42
schestowitz	*window	Jan 14 15:42
schestowitz	I’ll post now.	Jan 14 15:42
schestowitz	help me find yucky bits.	Jan 14 15:42
schestowitz	It has rough edges: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/14/d…	Jan 14 15:43
schestowitz	Read it through, tell me what you think	Jan 14 15:43
mib_lq7wtp	GNU develops .NET: http://www.gnu.org/software/dotgnu/	Jan 14 15:47
trmanco	schestowitz, look great	Jan 14 15:47
trmanco	looks*	Jan 14 15:47
schestowitz	Thanks.	Jan 14 15:47
schestowitz	I guess it’s short enough to be read	Jan 14 15:48
schestowitz	If it’s too long, people don’t read	Jan 14 15:48
moogstrap	I’m no writer. looks fine	Jan 14 15:48
schestowitz	hey, mib_lq7wtp	Jan 14 15:48
schestowitz	Are you “Chris”?	Jan 14 15:48
mib_lq7wtp	yes	Jan 14 15:48
schestowitz	What’s up?	Jan 14 15:48
mib_lq7wtp	I was just wondering if you know http://www.gnu.org/software/dotgnu/ ?	Jan 14 15:48
schestowitz	Yes, of course.	Jan 14 15:49
schestowitz	We wrote about it many times before	Jan 14 15:49
schestowitz	Mostly to explain how it related to Mono.	Jan 14 15:49
mib_lq7wtp	oh, I guess I missed it then.	Jan 14 15:49
twitter	oh my, down nearly 4% http://finance.google.com/finance	Jan 14 15:49
schestowitz	You can find lots of info in the archives	Jan 14 15:49
*mib_lq7wtp never heard of it.		Jan 14 15:49
*schestowitz looks at market (FrausStreet)		Jan 14 15:49
schestowitz	twitter: over 2000 people this month came to BN looking for ‘ms layoffs’ and related stuff (SE queries)	Jan 14 15:50
schestowitz	MS almost below $19 now	Jan 14 15:51
schestowitz	19.06	Jan 14 15:51
schestowitz	Low: 19.03	Jan 14 15:51
schestowitz	52Wk Low: 17.50	Jan 14 15:51
schestowitz	52Wk High: 35.00	Jan 14 15:51
schestowitz	That’s half	Jan 14 15:51
schestowitz	Despite about $60bn in buybacks over the past 2-3 years	Jan 14 15:52
twitter	updated the M$ Death Watch to include fraud news http://slashdot.org/~twit…	Jan 14 16:08
twitter	01/14 – As M$’s money runs out, three major M$ outsourcing and GNU/Linux attack partners come under investigation for fraud. Failure is working it’s way up the M$ “pawn” chain. First vendors and OEMs suffered, now software partner	Jan 14 16:08
schestowitz	First subsidiaries too	Jan 14 16:10
schestowitz	MS subdisiaries lay off staff	Jan 14 16:10
schestowitz	Then the permatemps	Jan 14 16:10
schestowitz	Then the full-timers	Jan 14 16:10
schestowitz	And that accounts not for VISAS! Which lead to the corruption sttories that involve Gates, his dad, and Abramoff, who is in prison now.	Jan 14 16:11
twitter	We’ll see the full-timers soon.	Jan 14 16:19
twitter	I’m reading the last EDGI post. This made me laugh, ” Introduce by using China as best practice example”	Jan 14 16:19
schestowitz	I have another one	Jan 14 16:20
schestowitz	I should probably wait until tomorrow though	Jan 14 16:20
schestowitz	China… they try the same to derail things in Russian schools	Jan 14 16:20
schestowitz	I wrote about it last year	Jan 14 16:20
schestowitz	If something awry happens in Russia, it’s because the crooks stepped in with a checkbook	Jan 14 16:21
schestowitz	Ick! http://www.sxc.hu/photo/956324	Jan 14 16:28
MinceR	http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/lg…	Jan 14 16:29
schestowitz	Another antitrust exhibit shows Microsoft viciousness and tactics against GNU/Linux	Jan 14 16:32
schestowitz	:Have a look: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/14/no…	Jan 14 16:32
moogstrap	Damn Comes. it’s a treasure trove	Jan 14 16:43
schestowitz	Yes	Jan 14 16:49
schestowitz	Tell me about it	Jan 14 16:49
schestowitz	I could dedicate 10 years of my life to cover it	Jan 14 16:49
schestowitz	There’s like 10 boxes of material in Caldera stuff too	Jan 14 16:50
schestowitz	As Lessig refers to his projects “The Next 10 Years” (it’s a chorus)	Jan 14 16:50
moogstrap	i remember reading a chomsky piece one where he basically said, look, the information is out for anyone who wants to look. it’s just that nobody ever does	Jan 14 16:52
schestowitz	Yes	Jan 14 16:52
schestowitz	I read and watch lots of his stuff	Jan 14 16:52
schestowitz	Selectivity makes a difference	Jan 14 16:52
schestowitz	The political agenda is better serves by letting old stuff be neglected and forgotten, then followed by revisionism. Vietnam war is just one example..	Jan 14 16:53
moogstrap	i thought you did. I like his “back up every statement with oodles of references so that nobody can call bullshit” approach	Jan 14 16:53
schestowitz	Yes	Jan 14 16:54
schestowitz	But concision is an issue	Jan 14 16:54
schestowitz	That’s why I put lots of stuff in BN	Jan 14 16:54
schestowitz	All with external refrences	Jan 14 16:54
schestowitz	So I can cites lots of supportive things quickly.	Jan 14 16:54
*schestowitz writes about BECTA scam (again)		Jan 14 16:54
moogstrap	I have noticed that the comments on plenty of your articles, if the facts generally speak for themselves and are pretty unavoidable, then they get not a peep from detractors	Jan 14 16:55
schestowitz	Nitpicking sometimes	Jan 14 16:56
schestowitz	I have a people here who help me out.	Jan 14 16:56
moogstrap	aye	Jan 14 16:58
schestowitz	Let me do the BECTA one	Jan 14 16:59
schestowitz	Tell me what you think…	Jan 14 16:59
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/14/u… there might be typos	Jan 14 17:00
schestowitz	Sony set to post first loss in 14 years < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/… >	Jan 14 17:03
schestowitz	Optus fined $110,000 for spamming < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news… >	Jan 14 17:03
moogstrap	Looks fine. I haven’t found any other sources other than that register article, though, bubut it’s still only a couple of hours old	Jan 14 17:05
schestowitz	I put the wrong PDf in	Jan 14 17:05
schestowitz	I’ll fix the link	Jan 14 17:05
schestowitz	This is the right one: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/upl…	Jan 14 17:06
moogstrap	looks fixed now	Jan 14 17:07
schestowitz	I’m paranoid about typos	Jan 14 17:09
schestowitz	In BN anyway, because it’s used to nitpick.	Jan 14 17:09
schestowitz	This argument between Jose and Alex seems almost as long as some books right now. I can’t keep track of it…. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/11/ms-…	Jan 14 17:10
moogstrap	162… hah	Jan 14 17:11
schestowitz	Jose is writing long comments	Jan 14 17:11
schestowitz	He defeats Alex with quantity, I think.	Jan 14 17:12
moogstrap	I see that	Jan 14 17:12
moogstrap	patents and copyright issues. Funny how it’s come full circle. Now those are the things predominantly hindering creative works.	Jan 14 17:15
ushimitsudoki	schestowitz: you ever thought about adding a message board?	Jan 14 17:16
schestowitz	moogstrap: yes, almost no-one in FOSS world covers these	Jan 14 17:16
schestowitz	Groklaw used to	Jan 14 17:16
schestowitz	ushimitsudoki: I haven’t thought about it	Jan 14 17:16
schestowitz	Phoronix is the only site of this kind that has them aligned as message board… and LXer maybe. LinuxToday has a comments-style system.	Jan 14 17:17
ushimitsudoki	a few sites have a good blog/message board hybrid. maybe it’s just me, but I think the blog comments are a bit awkward to debate on	Jan 14 17:17
ushimitsudoki	just a random thought	Jan 14 17:17
ushimitsudoki	ars is not too bad too	Jan 14 17:17
moogstrap	Imagine the shitstorms you’d have on those	Jan 14 17:17
moogstrap	just saying	Jan 14 17:18
ushimitsudoki	well you have have better moderation on a message board	Jan 14 17:18
ushimitsudoki	if that’s your thing of course	Jan 14 17:18
moogstrap	I mean I’d expect a few suicide bombers to come and get themselves banned or something	Jan 14 17:19
ushimitsudoki	well we already had one today	Jan 14 17:19
ushimitsudoki	not banned	Jan 14 17:20
ushimitsudoki	but one-off troll bombs so to speak	Jan 14 17:20
moogstrap	so that they can post “BN censors free speech” all over the blogs]	Jan 14 17:20
twitter	comments on EDGI http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/14/ms-pre…	Jan 14 17:20
moogstrap	oh. dinner time. tah	Jan 14 17:21
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twitter	Roy, that is an amazingly long thread to nowhere. Basically, it leaves the article untouched – the point, proved by M$ email, was that M$ is afraid of GNU/Linux and fighting as hard as they could.	Jan 14 17:29
twitter	I wonder what the hecklers think they are getting done.	Jan 14 17:30
twitter	Nortel is bankrupt http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news…	Jan 14 17:31
schestowitz	Yay	Jan 14 17:34
schestowitz	I don’t like them	Jan 14 17:34
schestowitz	They empowered Micfrosoft	Jan 14 17:34
schestowitz	In fact, go to youyube..	Jan 14 17:34
schestowitz	Search for Ballmer’s video and see how he welcomes Nortel to join the Vole	Jan 14 17:34
schestowitz	Nortel spoke about moving to desktop Linux in early 2007	Jan 14 17:34
schestowitz	ushimitsudoki: remember that thing about Blankenhorn and open source as failing strategy?	Jan 14 17:35
ushimitsudoki	yes	Jan 14 17:36
schestowitz	Make a list of companies that cling on to MS as a last resort	Jan 14 17:36
schestowitz	Palm sort of counts	Jan 14 17:36
schestowitz	Now it’s likely to be reborn with Linux	Jan 14 17:36
schestowitz	Windows Mobile had it shrink by who knows how many times.	Jan 14 17:36
schestowitz	Novell could be the next Norte	Jan 14 17:36
schestowitz	*Nortel	Jan 14 17:36
ushimitsudoki	yeah i didn’t get any response when i asked for examples – I think he’s just pulling stuff out his butt	Jan 14 17:36
schestowitz	It was already close to death, AFAIK, in 2006	Jan 14 17:37
schestowitz	It went to the bank and all	Jan 14 17:37
schestowitz	But I must put supportive refs here	Jan 14 17:37
schestowitz	Which I did before	Jan 14 17:37
schestowitz	Here’s the story: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/22…	Jan 14 17:37
schestowitz	More here (also on Novell fraud): http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/30/… (I have many more, mostly they are interlinked though)	Jan 14 17:38
schestowitz	http://twitter.com/glynmoody/st… “glynmoody: UK government outsources education IT to Microsoft – well, effectively http://is.gd/fRzA-“	Jan 14 17:39
twitter	so much for BECTA warnings against Vista and Office.	Jan 14 17:40
schestowitz	UK Libel Laws Busted < http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archive… > Woohoo!	Jan 14 17:40
schestowitz	BECTA is corrupt	Jan 14 17:40
schestowitz	Watch the links there.	Jan 14 17:40
schestowitz	It’s run by Microsoft lackeys	Jan 14 17:40
schestowitz	They only say some other things about FOSS and MS abuse because they are at danger.. in a Democratic society, I think they would risk time in jail	Jan 14 17:41
schestowitz	“We have comprehensively blown wide apart the UK’s infamously repressive libel laws. Up until now, these have routinely been used not to prevent untruth, but to hide truth on behalf of the ultra-rich. In so doing they have spawned a whole universe of massively wealthy lawyers devoid of any moral values, dedicated only to the service and pursuit of money.”	Jan 14 17:41
schestowitz	“The leeches at Schillings appeared to have scored a routine victory on behalf of their client, notorious mercenary commander Tim Spicer, who has made a fortune from the war in Iraq. They threatened my publisher, Mainstream, with highly expensive legal action and Mainstream dropped my book.”	Jan 14 17:42
twitter	Congratulations on the death of bad libel laws.	Jan 14 17:42
twitter	Too bad about BECTA. They were talking about free software for a while and it looked encouraging.	Jan 14 17:43
twitter	ah ha, you have been there http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/01/b…	Jan 14 17:43
schestowitz	Google’s Real Fight in China < http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2009-01… >	Jan 14 17:43
schestowitz	BECTA needs to be tossed, just like the FCC	Jan 14 17:44
schestowitz	It’s too dirty from the inside out	Jan 14 17:44
schestowitz	You can’t reform Microsoft, either.	Jan 14 17:44
schestowitz	Or the US government for that matter	Jan 14 17:44
schestowitz	To invade other countries for oil is to do exactly what some other countries did for the interests and benefit of their citizens (at the expense of foreign children’s lives).	Jan 14 17:45
twitter	M$ seemed to have literally re formed BECTA in it’s own image by stuffing their board. All of the things I’d referenced by them came from before that early 2008 stuffing and agenda change.	Jan 14 17:46
schestowitz	I don’t know	Jan 14 17:46
twitter	Your recent news is good proof that they did their work. It’s an outrage that goes against their previous, well researched studies.	Jan 14 17:46
schestowitz	Mark Kent and I looked at the board about 2 months ago	Jan 14 17:46
schestowitz	Only a few of them seem like MS lackeys	Jan 14 17:47
schestowitz	The head is insulting FOSS	Jan 14 17:47
schestowitz	These people were indoctrinated by Microsoft	Jan 14 17:47
schestowitz	“If it’s not Microsoft, then it’s not good”	Jan 14 17:47
schestowitz	I have a good one about EDGI coming	Jan 14 17:47
schestowitz	India scam	Jan 14 17:47
twitter	Here they are saying to avoid Vista http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid…	Jan 14 17:47
schestowitz	Our readers from India would love it.	Jan 14 17:47
schestowitz	But I need to pace it down	Jan 14 17:48
schestowitz	I lost track of news	Jan 14 17:48
twitter	use free software http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=…	Jan 14 17:48
twitter	and again to avoid Vista and office http://slashdot.org/~twitter…	Jan 14 17:48
schestowitz	Ha!	Jan 14 17:48
schestowitz	Follow the link on that latter one	Jan 14 17:48
schestowitz	“404 – Page Not Found”	Jan 14 17:49
twitter	I wonder if the new board has stuffed the old reports. – you beat me to looking.	Jan 14 17:49
schestowitz	Who knows..	Jan 14 17:49
twitter	oh no, the old report seems to be there. http://publications.becta.org.uk/dow…	Jan 14 17:50
schestowitz	Is that the “here, leave us alone” report?	Jan 14 17:50
schestowitz	“This document restricts what can be done with it”	Jan 14 17:52
schestowitz	Adobe says so	Jan 14 17:52
schestowitz	Great.	Jan 14 17:52
schestowitz	ClosedDocument	Jan 14 17:52
twitter	what? I don’t see any restrictions.	Jan 14 17:52
twitter	kpdf must ignore them	Jan 14 17:52
twitter	I wonder if “print to pdf” will remove the restrictions.	Jan 14 17:53
twitter	from the report, “we advise that upgrading existing ICT systems to Vista is not recommended and that mixed Windows-based operating-system environments should be avoided”	Jan 14 17:53
schestowitz	Yes	Jan 14 17:54
schestowitz	I used the proprietary reader	Jan 14 17:54
schestowitz	To see what geenrated it	Jan 14 17:54
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schestowitz	Maybe they use some of their buddies s/w	Jan 14 17:54
schestowitz	Not Adobe	Jan 14 17:54
schestowitz	KPDF does not do text selection the last time I tried	Jan 14 17:55
schestowitz	Evince is good, I have it installed, but I can’t rememeber why I don’t typically use it.	Jan 14 17:55
schestowitz	I make this compromise so that I can expose corruption	Jan 14 17:55
vida18	Trolltech changes Qt’s license	Jan 14 17:55
vida18	http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/lg…	Jan 14 17:55
twitter	text selection is fixed. embedded kpdf is so much better than Adobe, but I like that you keep a copy of Adobe to see what non free software users do.	Jan 14 17:55
schestowitz	vida18: that’s brilliant	Jan 14 17:55
schestowitz	I’m read that now	Jan 14 17:56
schestowitz	http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2…	Jan 14 17:56
schestowitz	“As of version 4.5.0, Qt will be released under the LGPL version 2.1. Jaw off the floor yet? Good.”	Jan 14 17:56
schestowitz	The KDE/Qt news is big and it ought to be added that amid economic slump there is hardly ANY news, let alone good news	Jan 14 17:57
schestowitz	Not just for FOSS…. Microsoft has not launches anything of substance for two years	Jan 14 17:57
twitter	I can see now how the last BECTA report was swinging towards M$. They recommended continued use of binary Office formats and thought that Vista was “stable” in a pilot.	Jan 14 17:57
vida18	Why Qt’s license is LGPL v2.1 and not LGPL v3 ?	Jan 14 17:57
schestowitz	*launches. It keeps burying existing products like Book Search and kills divisions like Ensemble Studios	Jan 14 17:57
schestowitz	vida18: i wondered the same thing	Jan 14 17:57
schestowitz	Nokia loves DRM	Jan 14 17:58
schestowitz	twitter: “Stable” by whose standards?	Jan 14 17:58
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schestowitz	What does stable mean without relativity?	Jan 14 17:58
schestowitz	anivar: I have some news	Jan 14 17:58
schestowitz	Apart from the post about India, I have some re: patents	Jan 14 17:58
schestowitz	I also have an EDGI smoking gun re: India	Jan 14 17:58
anivar	schestowitz: hi	Jan 14 17:59
schestowitz	have a look… I’ll upload it ahead	Jan 14 17:59
anivar	schestowitz: will look	Jan 14 17:59
anivar	btw see this http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/freedom-walk	Jan 14 17:59
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/wp-conte…	Jan 14 17:59
schestowitz	Uploaded just now. Let me know what you think.	Jan 14 17:59
schestowitz	Cause I’ll write about it tomorrow maybe.	Jan 14 17:59
twitter	GPL to LGPL is bad news. I’m sorry to see it.	Jan 14 18:00
schestowitz	I thought the same thing, but KDE is happy	Jan 14 18:00
twitter	Especially when it’s coupled with GPL FUD like it was. http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/new…	Jan 14 18:00
schestowitz	Where’s the FUD?	Jan 14 18:01
schestowitz	“The move to LGPL licensing will provide open source and commercial developers with more permissive licensing than GPL and so increase flexibility for developers.”	Jan 14 18:01
schestowitz	Blech	Jan 14 18:01
twitter	Right. Commercial developers have been happy with GPL for years.	Jan 14 18:02
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twitter	Who at KDE is happy about this?	Jan 14 18:03
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schestowitz	http://dot.kde.org/1231920504/	Jan 14 18:04
schestowitz	“All-in-all today’s news means tremendous things for Free and Open Source software. The possibility of extending the reach of all of our work is exciting in and of itself, and this announcement could lead to a veritable explosion of Qt and KDE adoption.”	Jan 14 18:04
twitter	I see one guy, who is happy that Nokia is not throwing QT away and who expects more commercial exploitation for some reason.	Jan 14 18:05
schestowitz	Maybe they just suck up to Nokia and the Trolls(tech)	Jan 14 18:05
twitter	*looking at the dot	Jan 14 18:05
anivar	schestowitz: see this link from 2003	Jan 14 18:06
anivar	http://www.hinduonnet.com/2003/05/14/s…	Jan 14 18:06
twitter	It’s got a different author but identical text	Jan 14 18:06
schestowitz	“Sling Media, maker of the Slingbox family of TV-on-your-notebook devices, has lost its top, with five executives departing from the company.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/1…	Jan 14 18:06
schestowitz	anivar: thanks, looking	Jan 14 18:07
anivar	Rajeev Kaul was Microsoft India Managing Director at that time	Jan 14 18:07
twitter	from the dot, ” The simple fact behind this is that Nokia is less reliant on the income from Qt licensing than Trolltec (now Qt Software) was, and this has given Qt Software more room to approach the market with more permissive licensing strategies in order to increase adoption of the Qt toolkit ” from Seigo, ” The simple fact of the matter is that Nokia is not nearly as reliant on the income from Qt licensing as Trolltech	Jan 14 18:08
twitter	smells like talking points to me.	Jan 14 18:09
schestowitz	anivar: good find. I’ll use it.	Jan 14 18:09
schestowitz	Check what Glyn Moody wrote	Jan 14 18:10
schestowitz	I haven’t got there yet, but he twitted about planning to write about it. Maybe ComputerWorld UK or Linux Journal	Jan 14 18:10
twitter	both of them also use the phrase “lead to a veritable explosion of Qt and KDE adoption” to finish off the articles.	Jan 14 18:11
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/13/n… “Sales down 40 to 50 per cent”	Jan 14 18:11
schestowitz	Whoa! Sales down by HALF.	Jan 14 18:11
twitter	ouch	Jan 14 18:11
schestowitz	Does Vista require much GPU powa?	Jan 14 18:11
twitter	they better make friendly with free software.	Jan 14 18:11
schestowitz	SCO.. SCO auctions Unix and mobile assets to continue fight < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/13/… >	Jan 14 18:12
twitter	Ask Guttman	Jan 14 18:12
schestowitz	Nokia? Free software? Never!	Jan 14 18:12
schestowitz	Ask MinceR	Jan 14 18:12
schestowitz	Weird… Fake plane death businessman cuffed in Florida < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01… >	Jan 14 18:14
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schestowitz	Will this detect Bush? http://www.medilexicon.com/medicalne…	Jan 14 18:15
schestowitz	kentma: Nortel files Chapter 11	Jan 14 18:15
ushimitsudoki	I don’t think there’s a problem in the QT move. They were offering it dual-licensed before. It’s still available in GPLv3. LGPL just makes it easier on those people that wouldn’t have chosen GPL anyway – people who were chosing the commercial licensing	Jan 14 18:15
schestowitz	Yes, that’s what I thought too	Jan 14 18:15
ushimitsudoki	I don’t see the downside there, unless you think they should do away with the dual-licensing model in general	Jan 14 18:15
schestowitz	I want to see what Moody writes	Jan 14 18:15
schestowitz	At least they didn’t choose BSD	Jan 14 18:16
schestowitz	Just befiore getting bought, the Trolls said it would go BSD in the worst of circumstances.	Jan 14 18:16
schestowitz	They said this in the KDE summit in Google… the CEO said this and then flew home… probably to negotiate with Nokia in Finland/Norway	Jan 14 18:17
schestowitz	Global CIO: Satyam Scandal Isn’t The End Of Indian Outsourcing < http://www.informationweek.com/news/management/ou… >	Jan 14 18:17
schestowitz	India can support its own software	Jan 14 18:17
schestowitz	It doesn’t need failed states giving it chores… that’s colonialism	Jan 14 18:17
schestowitz	anivar: can you extract the text from the doc I sent you?	Jan 14 18:19
schestowitz	It’s already OCRed, but there are typos	Jan 14 18:19
schestowitz	Text with typos here:	Jan 14 18:20
schestowitz	http://pastebin.com/m5b3deddf	Jan 14 18:20
schestowitz	vs original: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/u…	Jan 14 18:20
schestowitz	Can anyone help please?	Jan 14 18:20
anivar	schestowitz: I will give you some news clips from 2000 & 2001 related to Microsofts involvement in IT@school Project . Microsoft was succeeded in becoming a partner in this project by 2000 And later become a part of Microsoft -Intel Collaboration Project (when Left Parties were in Power) called Project shiksha(means teaching)and Implemented in Kerala & west bengal (another CPIM ruled state) see the link i gave earlier. But State wide campaign b	Jan 14 18:23
anivar	y Free software Community and Kerala school Teachers association(KSTA) succeeded in Changing it top GNU/Linux .	Jan 14 18:23
anivar	The following links substantiate our chronology (with relevant excerpts):	Jan 14 18:24
anivar	http://www.hinduonnet.com/2000/09/20/…	Jan 14 18:24
anivar		Jan 14 18:24
anivar	September 20, 2000	Jan 14 18:24
anivar	Mr. Joseph said the Government had entered into an agreement with Microsoft for a project to introduce computer and IT-enabled education covering all the schools in the State. The first phase would cover all the 2,500 high schools. In the subsequent stages, all the 60 lakh students from Class I to Class X would be covered, he said.	Jan 14 18:24
anivar	The Minister said Microsoft had already trained 1,000 teachers in the first phase. He said the Government had set up a State Institute of Educational Training to undertake creation of computer-based educational tools, study materials and teaching aids.	Jan 14 18:24
anivar	http://www.rediff.com/money/2001/oct/06school.htm	Jan 14 18:24
anivar		Jan 14 18:24
anivar	October 6, 2001	Jan 14 18:24
anivar	The previous education minister, P J Joseph, had launched his pet IT@School programme about a year ago. He had envisaged a major role for the information technology heavyweights Microsoft and Intel in enabling around six million school children to be computer literate by 2010.	Jan 14 18:24
anivar	http://ia.rediff.com/money/2001/mar…	Jan 14 18:24
anivar		Jan 14 18:24
anivar	March 12, 2001	Jan 14 18:24
anivar	Similarly, we are working very closely with C-DAC and ER&DC, Trivandrum on local language development. In education, we have launched a major project entitled ‘IT@School’, which basically aims to introduce IT-facilitated education in about 1000 schools in the State. A number of agencies including Microsoft, Intel and Schoolnet are involved in this project for teacher training and content development.	Jan 14 18:24
anivar		Jan 14 18:24
anivar		Jan 14 18:24
anivar	There is still more news. Although I could not find an indiainfo.com news announcing Intel’s entry	Jan 14 18:24
schestowitz	What’s the link for that last one?	Jan 14 18:25
schestowitz	[the last quote]	Jan 14 18:25
schestowitz	Could you fix the text in http://pastebin.com/m5b3deddf according to http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploa… ? I can post it today	Jan 14 18:26
anivar	schestowitz: pardon?	Jan 14 18:26
schestowitz	See http://pastebin.com/m5b3deddf	Jan 14 18:27
anivar	ok	Jan 14 18:27
schestowitz	The OCE is not accurate	Jan 14 18:27
schestowitz	*OCR	Jan 14 18:27
schestowitz	I can start preparing a post	Jan 14 18:27
schestowitz	The links are excellent thank you.	Jan 14 18:29
anivar	se this too from 2003. Microsoft announced to invest 100 Crore In Project Shiksha http://www.rediff.com/money/2003/jan/18gim3.htm	Jan 14 18:30
anivar	It is from Global Investors meet	Jan 14 18:30
anivar	Kerala	Jan 14 18:30
schestowitz	The monopolists join forces to ruin education some more: Microsoft, Cisco and Intel Fund Learning-assessment Project < http://www.pcworld.com/article/157027/micros… >	Jan 14 18:31
schestowitz	Nebraska State Senators Get Outfitted With MacBook Airs < http://www.pcworld.com/article/157023/nebraska_sta… >	Jan 14 18:31
twitter	I’d like to help with the OCR’d text, but I’ve got a few things to do this afternoon. Catch you later.	Jan 14 18:31
MinceR	schestowitz: actually now i have some hope for nokia	Jan 14 18:32
schestowitz	Oracle to lay off 8000	Jan 14 18:32
schestowitz	Damage control: Huge Oracle Layoff Won’t Be the Last < http://www.pcworld.com/article/157035/or… >	Jan 14 18:32
schestowitz	MS turn could be tomorrow	Jan 14 18:32
schestowitz	15k?	Jan 14 18:32
MinceR	their current move doesn’t only make qt more useful, but also is a commitment to not try to kill it	Jan 14 18:32
schestowitz	twitter: I think anivar already ddoes this	Jan 14 18:32
schestowitz	mib_lq7wtp: good stuff!	Jan 14 18:33
schestowitz	Oops @ MinceR \	Jan 14 18:33
*anivar on OCRed text		Jan 14 18:33
schestowitz	oracle’s staff= MS, roughly…	Jan 14 18:33
schestowitz	IBM… 380k or so..?	Jan 14 18:34
MinceR	(though it isn’t final, we’ll have to wait until qt 4.5)	Jan 14 18:34
schestowitz	Samsung.. 700k?	Jan 14 18:34
schestowitz	anivar: thank you so much	Jan 14 18:34
schestowitz	It’ll be good future refs to how MS operates in India	Jan 14 18:34

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