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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 14th, 2009 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:48 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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schestowitz All are close MS allies in India Jan 14 15:18
schestowitz Improvements welcome. I’m wriring quickly today. Lots to keep track of (+Comes texts) Jan 14 15:19
schestowitz Now a post about 7apourware Jan 14 15:19
twitter Cool story, it will have to go into the M$ death watch. Jan 14 15:19
twitter ”  NEWS from India is may change things very quickly.”  is may? Jan 14 15:20
twitter you might also explain what the “things” are in the first paragraph [I hate AP style too so note that I'm not asking for a single sentence paragraph explaining the whole story :)] Jan 14 15:22
twitter ” it’s really just a needle in a haystack”  I think you mean the tip of the iceberg. Jan 14 15:24
trmanco oh great Jan 14 15:24
trmanco I’m getting famous Jan 14 15:24
trmanco Jan 14 15:24
moogstrap or a needle in a stack of needles. In a needle factory Jan 14 15:26
trmanco http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linu… Jan 14 15:27
trmanco X-no archive again Jan 14 15:27
trmanco sounds familiar Jan 14 15:27
moogstrap UK schools beg for cash hrmm? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/… Jan 14 15:28
twitter Cool story, you pull together a lot of fraud and link it to GNU/Linux attacks. Jan 14 15:28
schestowitz twitter: may = not overstating the cas Jan 14 15:29
twitter As M$ runs out of money, it’s partners in fraud are burnt first but M$ can’t be far behind.  Without those partners, M$ is powerless. Jan 14 15:29
schestowitz I means needle in a haystack Jan 14 15:29
schestowitz See the links there. Jan 14 15:29
schestowitz There’s lots more to be found and I thought about tip of iceberg before I choose the needle phrase Jan 14 15:30
schestowitz trmanco: yes, they want to shut you up Jan 14 15:30
trmanco LOL Jan 14 15:31
trmanco yeah whatever Jan 14 15:31
trmanco Jan 14 15:31
trmanco I just got more motivated Jan 14 15:31
schestowitz I know.. Jan 14 15:31
trmanco I even got a dedicated thread Jan 14 15:31
schestowitz That’s what had me started with exploration of MS fraud Jan 14 15:31
trmanco Jan 14 15:31
schestowitz The more they attack, the more research they beg for Jan 14 15:31
schestowitz “However, Knight didn’t reveal how much cash Microsoft was pumping into the initiative, which has been periodically wheeled out by the Department for Children, Schools and Families (DCSF) for the past 12 months, perhaps in part to help resuscitate Gordon Brown’s premiership.” Jan 14 15:32
schestowitz Gordon Brown.. Jan 14 15:32
schestowitz Mate of BillG Jan 14 15:32
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schestowitz “The Microsoft-funded foundation will develop and implement a programme of training and support for teachers, parents, as well as to help create “awareness” for the Home Office programme, said Knight.” Jan 14 15:34
schestowitz Smells like corruption Jan 14 15:34
schestowitz I’ll write about it Jan 14 15:34
moogstrap it’s nothing new. UK politics has sought comfort in big biz ever since the tycoons took over the industry here (and then liquidated the lot of them) Jan 14 15:36
schestowitz It’s still corrupt Jan 14 15:40
schestowitz They are giving a franchise to a corrupt company Jan 14 15:40
schestowitz They are also passing authority to them… over children for example. Jan 14 15:40
schestowitz There is no tendering process. Jan 14 15:40
trmanco so much for windows 7 bloatware -> http://i.gizmodo.com/5129919/our… Jan 14 15:41
schestowitz I am posting about it now Jan 14 15:42
schestowitz It’s in my compose windows :-) Jan 14 15:42
trmanco :D Jan 14 15:42
schestowitz *window Jan 14 15:42
schestowitz I’ll post now. Jan 14 15:42
schestowitz help me find yucky bits. Jan 14 15:42
schestowitz It has rough edges: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/14/d… Jan 14 15:43
schestowitz Read it through, tell me what you think Jan 14 15:43
mib_lq7wtp GNU develops .NET: http://www.gnu.org/software/dotgnu/ Jan 14 15:47
trmanco schestowitz, look great Jan 14 15:47
trmanco looks* Jan 14 15:47
schestowitz Thanks. Jan 14 15:47
schestowitz I guess it’s short enough to be read Jan 14 15:48
schestowitz If it’s too long, people don’t read Jan 14 15:48
moogstrap I’m no writer. looks fine Jan 14 15:48
schestowitz hey, mib_lq7wtp Jan 14 15:48
schestowitz Are you “Chris”? Jan 14 15:48
mib_lq7wtp yes Jan 14 15:48
schestowitz What’s up? Jan 14 15:48
mib_lq7wtp I was just wondering if you know http://www.gnu.org/software/dotgnu/ ? Jan 14 15:48
schestowitz Yes, of course. Jan 14 15:49
schestowitz We wrote about it many times before Jan 14 15:49
schestowitz Mostly to explain how it related to Mono. Jan 14 15:49
mib_lq7wtp oh, I guess I missed it then. Jan 14 15:49
twitter oh my, down nearly 4% http://finance.google.com/finance Jan 14 15:49
schestowitz You can find lots of info in the archives Jan 14 15:49
*mib_lq7wtp never heard of it. Jan 14 15:49
*schestowitz looks at market (FrausStreet) Jan 14 15:49
schestowitz twitter: over 2000 people this month came to BN looking for ‘ms layoffs’ and related stuff (SE queries) Jan 14 15:50
schestowitz MS almost below $19 now Jan 14 15:51
schestowitz 19.06 Jan 14 15:51
schestowitz Low: 19.03   Jan 14 15:51
schestowitz 52Wk Low: 17.50 Jan 14 15:51
schestowitz 52Wk High: 35.00 Jan 14 15:51
schestowitz That’s half Jan 14 15:51
schestowitz Despite about $60bn in buybacks over the past 2-3 years Jan 14 15:52
twitter updated the M$ Death Watch to include fraud news http://slashdot.org/~twit… Jan 14 16:08
twitter 01/14 – As M$’s money runs out, three major M$ outsourcing and GNU/Linux attack partners come under investigation for fraud.  Failure is working it’s way up the M$ “pawn” chain.  First vendors and OEMs suffered, now software partner Jan 14 16:08
schestowitz First subsidiaries too Jan 14 16:10
schestowitz MS subdisiaries lay off staff Jan 14 16:10
schestowitz Then the permatemps Jan 14 16:10
schestowitz Then the full-timers Jan 14 16:10
schestowitz And that accounts not for VISAS! Which lead to the corruption sttories that involve Gates, his dad, and Abramoff, who is in prison now. Jan 14 16:11
twitter We’ll see the full-timers soon. Jan 14 16:19
twitter I’m reading the last EDGI post.  This made me laugh, ” Introduce by using China as best practice example” Jan 14 16:19
schestowitz I have another one Jan 14 16:20
schestowitz I should probably wait until tomorrow though Jan 14 16:20
schestowitz China… they try the same to derail things in Russian schools Jan 14 16:20
schestowitz I wrote about it last year Jan 14 16:20
schestowitz If something awry happens in Russia, it’s because the crooks stepped in with a checkbook Jan 14 16:21
schestowitz Ick! http://www.sxc.hu/photo/956324 Jan 14 16:28
MinceR http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/lg… Jan 14 16:29
schestowitz Another antitrust exhibit shows Microsoft viciousness and tactics against GNU/Linux Jan 14 16:32
schestowitz :Have a look: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/14/no… Jan 14 16:32
moogstrap Damn Comes. it’s a treasure trove Jan 14 16:43
schestowitz Yes Jan 14 16:49
schestowitz Tell me about it Jan 14 16:49
schestowitz I could dedicate 10 years of my life to cover it Jan 14 16:49
schestowitz There’s like 10 boxes of material in Caldera stuff too Jan 14 16:50
schestowitz As Lessig refers to his projects “The Next 10 Years” (it’s a chorus) Jan 14 16:50
moogstrap i remember reading a chomsky piece one where he basically said, look, the information is out for anyone who wants to look. it’s just that nobody ever does Jan 14 16:52
schestowitz Yes Jan 14 16:52
schestowitz I read and watch lots of his stuff Jan 14 16:52
schestowitz Selectivity makes a difference Jan 14 16:52
schestowitz The political agenda is better serves by letting old stuff be neglected and forgotten, then followed by revisionism. Vietnam war is just one example.. Jan 14 16:53
moogstrap i thought you did. I like his “back up every statement with oodles of references so that nobody can call bullshit” approach Jan 14 16:53
schestowitz Yes Jan 14 16:54
schestowitz But concision is an issue Jan 14 16:54
schestowitz That’s why I put lots of stuff in BN Jan 14 16:54
schestowitz All with external refrences Jan 14 16:54
schestowitz So I can cites lots of supportive things quickly. Jan 14 16:54
*schestowitz writes about BECTA scam (again) Jan 14 16:54
moogstrap I have noticed that the comments on plenty of your articles, if the facts generally speak for themselves and are pretty unavoidable, then they get not a peep from detractors Jan 14 16:55
schestowitz Nitpicking sometimes Jan 14 16:56
schestowitz I have a people here who help me out. ;-) Jan 14 16:56
moogstrap aye Jan 14 16:58
schestowitz Let me do the BECTA one Jan 14 16:59
schestowitz Tell me what you think… Jan 14 16:59
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/14/u… there might be typos Jan 14 17:00
schestowitz Sony set to post first loss in 14 years < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/… > Jan 14 17:03
schestowitz Optus fined $110,000 for spamming < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news… > Jan 14 17:03
moogstrap Looks fine. I haven’t found any other sources other than that register article, though, bubut it’s still only a couple of hours old Jan 14 17:05
schestowitz I put the wrong PDf in Jan 14 17:05
schestowitz I’ll fix the link Jan 14 17:05
schestowitz This is the right one: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/upl… Jan 14 17:06
moogstrap looks fixed now Jan 14 17:07
schestowitz I’m paranoid about typos Jan 14 17:09
schestowitz In BN anyway, because it’s used to nitpick. Jan 14 17:09
schestowitz This argument between Jose and Alex seems almost as long as some books right now. I can’t keep track of it…. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/11/ms-… Jan 14 17:10
moogstrap 162… hah Jan 14 17:11
schestowitz Jose is writing long comments Jan 14 17:11
schestowitz He defeats Alex with quantity, I think. Jan 14 17:12
moogstrap I see that Jan 14 17:12
moogstrap patents and copyright issues. Funny how it’s come full circle. Now those are the things predominantly hindering creative works. Jan 14 17:15
ushimitsudoki schestowitz: you ever thought about adding a message board? Jan 14 17:16
schestowitz moogstrap: yes, almost no-one in FOSS world covers these Jan 14 17:16
schestowitz Groklaw used to Jan 14 17:16
schestowitz ushimitsudoki: I haven’t thought about it Jan 14 17:16
schestowitz Phoronix is the only site of this kind that has them aligned as message board… and LXer maybe. LinuxToday has a comments-style system. Jan 14 17:17
ushimitsudoki a few sites have a good blog/message board hybrid. maybe it’s just me, but I think the blog comments are a bit awkward to debate on Jan 14 17:17
ushimitsudoki just a random thought Jan 14 17:17
ushimitsudoki ars is not too bad too Jan 14 17:17
moogstrap Imagine the shitstorms you’d have on those Jan 14 17:17
moogstrap just saying Jan 14 17:18
ushimitsudoki well you have have better moderation on a message board Jan 14 17:18
ushimitsudoki if that’s your thing of course Jan 14 17:18
moogstrap I mean I’d expect a few suicide bombers to come and get themselves banned or something Jan 14 17:19
ushimitsudoki well we already had one today Jan 14 17:19
ushimitsudoki not banned Jan 14 17:20
ushimitsudoki but one-off troll bombs so to speak Jan 14 17:20
moogstrap so that they can post “BN censors free speech” all over the blogs] Jan 14 17:20
twitter comments on EDGI http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/14/ms-pre… Jan 14 17:20
moogstrap oh. dinner time. tah Jan 14 17:21
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twitter Roy, that is an amazingly long thread to nowhere.  Basically, it leaves the article untouched – the point, proved by M$ email, was that M$ is afraid of GNU/Linux and fighting as hard as they could. Jan 14 17:29
twitter I wonder what the hecklers think they are getting done. Jan 14 17:30
twitter Nortel is bankrupt http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news… Jan 14 17:31
schestowitz Yay Jan 14 17:34
schestowitz I don’t like them Jan 14 17:34
schestowitz They empowered Micfrosoft Jan 14 17:34
schestowitz In fact, go to youyube.. Jan 14 17:34
schestowitz Search for Ballmer’s video and see how he welcomes Nortel to join the Vole Jan 14 17:34
schestowitz Nortel spoke about moving to desktop Linux in early 2007 Jan 14 17:34
schestowitz ushimitsudoki: remember that thing about Blankenhorn and open source as failing strategy? Jan 14 17:35
ushimitsudoki yes Jan 14 17:36
schestowitz Make a list of companies that cling on to MS as a last resort Jan 14 17:36
schestowitz Palm sort of counts Jan 14 17:36
schestowitz Now it’s likely to be reborn with Linux Jan 14 17:36
schestowitz Windows Mobile had it shrink by who knows how many times. Jan 14 17:36
schestowitz Novell could be the next Norte Jan 14 17:36
schestowitz *Nortel Jan 14 17:36
ushimitsudoki yeah i didn’t get any response when i asked for examples – I think he’s just pulling stuff out his butt Jan 14 17:36
schestowitz It was already close to death, AFAIK, in 2006 Jan 14 17:37
schestowitz It went to the bank and all Jan 14 17:37
schestowitz But I must put supportive refs here Jan 14 17:37
schestowitz Which I did before Jan 14 17:37
schestowitz Here’s the story: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/22… Jan 14 17:37
schestowitz More here (also on Novell fraud): http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/30/… (I have many more, mostly they are interlinked though) Jan 14 17:38
schestowitz http://twitter.com/glynmoody/st… “glynmoody: UK government outsources education IT to Microsoft – well, effectively http://is.gd/fRzA- Jan 14 17:39
twitter so much for BECTA warnings against Vista and Office. Jan 14 17:40
schestowitz UK Libel Laws Busted < http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archive… > Woohoo! Jan 14 17:40
schestowitz BECTA is corrupt Jan 14 17:40
schestowitz Watch the links there. Jan 14 17:40
schestowitz It’s run by Microsoft lackeys Jan 14 17:40
schestowitz They only say some other things about FOSS and MS abuse because they are at danger.. in a Democratic society, I think they would risk time in jail Jan 14 17:41
schestowitz “We have comprehensively blown wide apart the UK’s infamously repressive libel laws. Up until now, these have routinely been used not to prevent untruth, but to hide truth on behalf of the ultra-rich. In so doing they have spawned a whole universe of massively wealthy lawyers devoid of any moral values, dedicated only to the service and pursuit of money.” Jan 14 17:41
schestowitz “The leeches at Schillings appeared to have scored a routine victory on behalf of their client, notorious mercenary commander Tim Spicer, who has made a fortune from the war in Iraq. They threatened my publisher, Mainstream, with highly expensive legal action and Mainstream dropped my book.” Jan 14 17:42
twitter Congratulations on the death of bad libel laws. Jan 14 17:42
twitter Too bad about BECTA.  They were talking about free software for a while and it looked encouraging. Jan 14 17:43
twitter ah ha, you have been there http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/01/b… Jan 14 17:43
schestowitz Google’s Real Fight in China < http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2009-01… > Jan 14 17:43
schestowitz BECTA needs to be tossed, just like the FCC Jan 14 17:44
schestowitz It’s too dirty from the inside out Jan 14 17:44
schestowitz You can’t reform Microsoft, either. Jan 14 17:44
schestowitz Or the US government for that matter Jan 14 17:44
schestowitz To invade other countries for oil is to do exactly what some other countries did for the interests and benefit of their citizens (at the expense of foreign children’s lives). Jan 14 17:45
twitter M$ seemed to have literally re formed BECTA in it’s own image by stuffing their board.  All of the things I’d referenced by them came from before that early 2008 stuffing and agenda change. Jan 14 17:46
schestowitz I don’t know Jan 14 17:46
twitter Your recent news is good proof that they did their work.  It’s an outrage that goes against their previous, well researched studies. Jan 14 17:46
schestowitz Mark Kent and I looked at the board about 2 months ago Jan 14 17:46
schestowitz Only a few of them seem like MS lackeys Jan 14 17:47
schestowitz The head is insulting FOSS Jan 14 17:47
schestowitz These people were indoctrinated by Microsoft Jan 14 17:47
schestowitz “If it’s not Microsoft, then it’s not good” Jan 14 17:47
schestowitz I have a good one about EDGI coming Jan 14 17:47
schestowitz India scam Jan 14 17:47
twitter Here they are saying to avoid Vista http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid… Jan 14 17:47
schestowitz Our readers from India would love it. Jan 14 17:47
schestowitz But I need to pace it down Jan 14 17:48
schestowitz I lost track of news Jan 14 17:48
twitter use free software http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=… Jan 14 17:48
twitter and again to avoid Vista and office http://slashdot.org/~twitter… Jan 14 17:48
schestowitz Ha! Jan 14 17:48
schestowitz Follow the link on that latter one Jan 14 17:48
schestowitz “404 – Page Not Found” Jan 14 17:49
twitter I wonder if the new board has stuffed the old reports. – you beat me to looking. Jan 14 17:49
schestowitz Who knows.. Jan 14 17:49
twitter oh no, the old report seems to be there. http://publications.becta.org.uk/dow… Jan 14 17:50
schestowitz Is that the “here, leave us alone” report? Jan 14 17:50
schestowitz “This document restricts what can be done with it” Jan 14 17:52
schestowitz Adobe says so Jan 14 17:52
schestowitz Great. Jan 14 17:52
schestowitz ClosedDocument Jan 14 17:52
twitter what?  I don’t see any restrictions. Jan 14 17:52
twitter kpdf must ignore them Jan 14 17:52
twitter I wonder if “print to pdf” will remove the restrictions. Jan 14 17:53
twitter from the report, “we advise that upgrading existing ICT systems to Vista is not recommended and that mixed Windows-based operating-system environments should be avoided” Jan 14 17:53
schestowitz Yes Jan 14 17:54
schestowitz I used the proprietary reader Jan 14 17:54
schestowitz To see what geenrated it Jan 14 17:54
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schestowitz Maybe they use some of their buddies s/w Jan 14 17:54
schestowitz Not Adobe Jan 14 17:54
schestowitz KPDF does not do text selection the last time I tried Jan 14 17:55
schestowitz Evince is good, I have it installed, but I can’t rememeber why I don’t typically use it. Jan 14 17:55
schestowitz I make this compromise so that I can expose corruption Jan 14 17:55
vida18 Trolltech changes Qt’s license Jan 14 17:55
vida18 http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/lg… Jan 14 17:55
twitter text selection is fixed.  embedded kpdf is so much better than Adobe, but I like that you keep a copy of Adobe to see what non free software users do. Jan 14 17:55
schestowitz vida18: that’s brilliant Jan 14 17:55
schestowitz I’m read that now Jan 14 17:56
schestowitz http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2… Jan 14 17:56
schestowitz “As of version 4.5.0, Qt will be released under the LGPL version 2.1. Jaw off the floor yet? Good.” Jan 14 17:56
schestowitz The KDE/Qt news is big and it ought to be added that amid economic slump there is hardly ANY news, let alone good news Jan 14 17:57
schestowitz Not just for FOSS…. Microsoft has not launches anything of substance for two years Jan 14 17:57
twitter I can see now how the last BECTA report was swinging towards M$.  They recommended continued use of binary Office formats and thought that Vista was “stable” in a pilot. Jan 14 17:57
vida18 Why Qt’s license is LGPL v2.1 and not LGPL v3 ? Jan 14 17:57
schestowitz *launches. It keeps burying existing products like Book Search and kills divisions like Ensemble Studios Jan 14 17:57
schestowitz vida18: i wondered the same thing Jan 14 17:57
schestowitz Nokia loves DRM Jan 14 17:58
schestowitz twitter: “Stable” by whose standards? Jan 14 17:58
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schestowitz What does stable mean without relativity? Jan 14 17:58
schestowitz anivar: I have some news Jan 14 17:58
schestowitz Apart from the post about India, I have some re: patents Jan 14 17:58
schestowitz I also have an EDGI smoking gun re: India Jan 14 17:58
anivar schestowitz:  hi Jan 14 17:59
schestowitz have a look… I’ll upload it ahead Jan 14 17:59
anivar schestowitz: will look Jan 14 17:59
anivar btw see this http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/freedom-walk Jan 14 17:59
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wp-conte… Jan 14 17:59
schestowitz Uploaded just now. Let me know what you think. Jan 14 17:59
schestowitz Cause I’ll write about it tomorrow maybe. Jan 14 17:59
twitter GPL to LGPL is bad news.  I’m sorry to see it. Jan 14 18:00
schestowitz I thought the same thing, but KDE is happy Jan 14 18:00
twitter Especially when it’s coupled with GPL FUD like it was.  http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/new… Jan 14 18:00
schestowitz Where’s the FUD? Jan 14 18:01
schestowitz “The move to LGPL licensing will provide open source and commercial developers with more permissive licensing than GPL and so increase flexibility for developers.” Jan 14 18:01
schestowitz Blech Jan 14 18:01
twitter Right.  Commercial developers have been happy with GPL for years. Jan 14 18:02
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twitter Who at KDE is happy about this? Jan 14 18:03
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schestowitz http://dot.kde.org/1231920504/ Jan 14 18:04
schestowitz “All-in-all today’s news means tremendous things for Free and Open Source software. The possibility of extending the reach of all of our work is exciting in and of itself, and this announcement could lead to a veritable explosion of Qt and KDE adoption.” Jan 14 18:04
twitter I see one guy, who is happy that Nokia is not throwing QT away and who expects more commercial exploitation for some reason. Jan 14 18:05
schestowitz Maybe they just suck up to Nokia and the Trolls(tech) Jan 14 18:05
twitter *looking at the dot Jan 14 18:05
anivar schestowitz:  see this link from 2003 Jan 14 18:06
anivar http://www.hinduonnet.com/2003/05/14/s… Jan 14 18:06
twitter It’s got a different author but identical text Jan 14 18:06
schestowitz “Sling Media, maker of the Slingbox family of TV-on-your-notebook devices, has lost its top, with five executives departing from the company.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/1… Jan 14 18:06
schestowitz anivar: thanks, looking Jan 14 18:07
anivar Rajeev Kaul was Microsoft India Managing Director at that time Jan 14 18:07
twitter from the dot, ” The simple fact behind this is that Nokia is less reliant on the  income from Qt licensing than Trolltec   (now Qt Software) was, and this has  given Qt Software more room to approach the market with more permissive  licensing strategies in order to increase adoption of the Qt toolkit ”  from  Seigo, ” The simple fact of the matter is that Nokia is not nearly as reliant on the income from Qt licensing as Trolltech Jan 14 18:08
twitter smells like talking points to me. Jan 14 18:09
schestowitz anivar: good find. I’ll use it. Jan 14 18:09
schestowitz Check what Glyn Moody wrote Jan 14 18:10
schestowitz I haven’t got there yet, but he twitted about planning to write about it. Maybe ComputerWorld UK or Linux Journal Jan 14 18:10
twitter both of them also use the phrase “lead to a veritable explosion of Qt and  KDE adoption” to finish off the articles. Jan 14 18:11
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/13/n… “Sales down 40 to 50 per cent” Jan 14 18:11
schestowitz Whoa! Sales down by HALF. Jan 14 18:11
twitter ouch Jan 14 18:11
schestowitz Does Vista require much GPU powa? Jan 14 18:11
twitter they better make friendly with free software. Jan 14 18:11
schestowitz SCO.. SCO auctions Unix and mobile assets to continue fight < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/13/… > Jan 14 18:12
twitter Ask Guttman Jan 14 18:12
schestowitz Nokia? Free software? Never! Jan 14 18:12
schestowitz Ask MinceR Jan 14 18:12
schestowitz Weird… Fake plane death businessman cuffed in Florida < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01… > Jan 14 18:14
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schestowitz Will this detect Bush? http://www.medilexicon.com/medicalne… Jan 14 18:15
schestowitz kentma: Nortel files Chapter 11 Jan 14 18:15
ushimitsudoki I don’t think there’s a problem in the QT move. They were offering it dual-licensed before. It’s still available in GPLv3. LGPL just makes it easier on those people that wouldn’t have chosen GPL anyway – people who were chosing the commercial licensing Jan 14 18:15
schestowitz Yes, that’s what I thought too Jan 14 18:15
ushimitsudoki I don’t see the downside there, unless you think they should do away with the dual-licensing model in general Jan 14 18:15
schestowitz I want to see what Moody writes Jan 14 18:15
schestowitz At least they didn’t choose BSD Jan 14 18:16
schestowitz Just befiore getting bought, the Trolls said it would go BSD in the worst of circumstances. Jan 14 18:16
schestowitz They said this in the KDE summit in Google… the CEO said this and then flew home… probably to negotiate with Nokia in Finland/Norway Jan 14 18:17
schestowitz Global CIO: Satyam Scandal Isn’t The End Of Indian Outsourcing < http://www.informationweek.com/news/management/ou… > Jan 14 18:17
schestowitz India can support its own software Jan 14 18:17
schestowitz It doesn’t need failed states giving it chores… that’s colonialism Jan 14 18:17
schestowitz anivar: can you extract the text from the doc I sent you? Jan 14 18:19
schestowitz It’s already OCRed, but there are typos Jan 14 18:19
schestowitz Text with typos here: Jan 14 18:20
schestowitz http://pastebin.com/m5b3deddf Jan 14 18:20
schestowitz vs original:  http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/u… Jan 14 18:20
schestowitz Can anyone help please? Jan 14 18:20
anivar schestowitz:  I will give you some news clips from 2000  & 2001 related to Microsofts involvement in IT@school Project . Microsoft was succeeded in becoming a partner in this project by 2000 And later become a part of Microsoft -Intel Collaboration Project (when Left Parties were in Power) called Project shiksha(means teaching)and Implemented in Kerala  & west bengal (another CPIM ruled state)  see the link i gave earlier. But State wide campaign b Jan 14 18:23
anivar y Free software Community and Kerala school Teachers association(KSTA) succeeded in Changing it top GNU/Linux . Jan 14 18:23
anivar The following links substantiate our chronology (with relevant excerpts): Jan 14 18:24
anivar http://www.hinduonnet.com/2000/09/20/… Jan 14 18:24
anivar Jan 14 18:24
anivar September 20, 2000 Jan 14 18:24
anivar Mr. Joseph said the Government had entered into an agreement with Microsoft for a project to introduce computer and IT-enabled education covering all the schools in the State. The first phase would cover all the 2,500 high schools. In the subsequent stages, all the 60 lakh students from Class I to Class X would be covered, he said. Jan 14 18:24
anivar The Minister said Microsoft had already trained 1,000 teachers in the first phase. He said the Government had set up a State Institute of Educational Training to undertake creation of computer-based educational tools, study materials and teaching aids. Jan 14 18:24
anivar http://www.rediff.com/money/2001/oct/06school.htm Jan 14 18:24
anivar Jan 14 18:24
anivar October 6, 2001 Jan 14 18:24
anivar The previous education minister, P J Joseph, had launched his pet IT@School programme about a year ago. He had envisaged a major role for the information technology heavyweights Microsoft and Intel in enabling around six million school children to be computer literate by 2010. Jan 14 18:24
anivar http://ia.rediff.com/money/2001/mar… Jan 14 18:24
anivar Jan 14 18:24
anivar March 12, 2001 Jan 14 18:24
anivar Similarly, we are working very closely with C-DAC and ER&DC, Trivandrum on local language development. In education, we have launched a major project entitled ‘IT@School’, which basically aims to introduce IT-facilitated education in about 1000 schools in the State. A number of agencies including Microsoft, Intel and Schoolnet are involved in this project for teacher training and content development. Jan 14 18:24
anivar Jan 14 18:24
anivar Jan 14 18:24
anivar There is still more news. Although I could not find an indiainfo.com news announcing  Intel’s entry Jan 14 18:24
schestowitz What’s the link for that last one? Jan 14 18:25
schestowitz [the last quote] Jan 14 18:25
schestowitz Could you fix the text in http://pastebin.com/m5b3deddf according to http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploa… ? I can post it today Jan 14 18:26
anivar schestowitz:  pardon? Jan 14 18:26
schestowitz See http://pastebin.com/m5b3deddf Jan 14 18:27
anivar ok Jan 14 18:27
schestowitz The OCE is not accurate Jan 14 18:27
schestowitz *OCR Jan 14 18:27
schestowitz I can start preparing a post Jan 14 18:27
schestowitz The links are excellent thank you. Jan 14 18:29
anivar se this too from 2003. Microsoft announced to invest 100 Crore In Project Shiksha http://www.rediff.com/money/2003/jan/18gim3.htm Jan 14 18:30
anivar It is from Global Investors meet Jan 14 18:30
anivar Kerala Jan 14 18:30
schestowitz The monopolists join forces to ruin education some more:  Microsoft, Cisco and Intel Fund Learning-assessment Project < http://www.pcworld.com/article/157027/micros… > Jan 14 18:31
schestowitz Nebraska State Senators Get Outfitted With MacBook Airs < http://www.pcworld.com/article/157023/nebraska_sta… > Jan 14 18:31
twitter I’d like to help with the OCR’d text, but I’ve got a few things to do this afternoon.  Catch you later. Jan 14 18:31
MinceR schestowitz: actually now i have some hope for nokia Jan 14 18:32
schestowitz Oracle to lay off 8000 Jan 14 18:32
schestowitz Damage control: Huge Oracle Layoff Won’t Be the Last < http://www.pcworld.com/article/157035/or… > Jan 14 18:32
schestowitz MS turn could be tomorrow Jan 14 18:32
schestowitz 15k? Jan 14 18:32
MinceR their current move doesn’t only make qt more useful, but also is a commitment to not try to kill it Jan 14 18:32
schestowitz twitter: I think anivar already ddoes this Jan 14 18:32
schestowitz mib_lq7wtp: good stuff! Jan 14 18:33
schestowitz Oops @ MinceR \ Jan 14 18:33
*anivar on OCRed text Jan 14 18:33
schestowitz oracle’s staff= MS, roughly… Jan 14 18:33
schestowitz IBM… 380k or so..? Jan 14 18:34
MinceR (though it isn’t final, we’ll have to wait until qt 4.5) Jan 14 18:34
schestowitz Samsung.. 700k? Jan 14 18:34
schestowitz anivar: thank you so much Jan 14 18:34
schestowitz It’ll be good future refs to how MS operates in India Jan 14 18:34
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