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02.01.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 31st, 2009 – Part 3

Posted in IRC Logs at 2:33 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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twitter he he, a fun comment from 2007 about M$ DRM, http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?s… Jan 31 19:15
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schestowitz There might be another Digg FP on the way: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Bill_Gates_on_Li… Jan 31 20:05
schestowitz brb Jan 31 20:05
*flyback parents house is getting water from ice backed up ice in the gutters melting around the sewer drain in the roof and running into the house Jan 31 20:16
*flyback ponders what he could cheaply rig up from home depot to keep pumping Jan 31 20:17
*schestowitz thinks it must be global warming :-) Jan 31 20:17
flyback nope Jan 31 20:18
flyback just old 40′s house and roof Jan 31 20:18
schestowitz Better than caves and cabins. Jan 31 20:18
flyback not really Jan 31 20:18
flyback dad was away in hondoas on missions so mom had to mop up Jan 31 20:18
flyback and he has shoulder replaced and the other gutted Jan 31 20:19
flyback so he can’t do much either Jan 31 20:19
schestowitz Sorry to hear that. Jan 31 20:23
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_doug ping … Jan 31 20:28
schestowitz Hey Jan 31 20:28
schestowitz Don’t hammer on the site unless you have to Jan 31 20:29
schestowitz Use cache Jan 31 20:29
_doug is BN down ? Jan 31 20:29
schestowitz No Jan 31 20:29
schestowitz It responds Jan 31 20:29
schestowitz But it’s slow Jan 31 20:29
_doug This Account is Experiencing Technical Difficulties Jan 31 20:29
_doug Sorry for the inconvenience. Jan 31 20:29
_doug Net-Prophets.com Jan 31 20:29
schestowitz Ouch Jan 31 20:30
schestowitz Wait Jan 31 20:30
schestowitz It’s Digg effect Jan 31 20:30
_doug aaah … Jan 31 20:33
schestowitz What do you suggest? Jan 31 20:34
_doug move to a different server .. Jan 31 20:34
schestowitz What server? Jan 31 20:35
schestowitz It’s already the best hosting account, I think Jan 31 20:35
schestowitz It worked about 10 minutes ago Jan 31 20:35
_doug ibiblio .. Jan 31 20:35
schestowitz Would they accept us? Jan 31 20:36
_doug dunno, why not ask .. Jan 31 20:36
_doug http://ars.userfriendly.org/ca… Jan 31 20:37
schestowitz For a boyoctt site? Jan 31 20:37
schestowitz I doubt it Jan 31 20:37
_doug call it by a different name .. Jan 31 20:38
schestowitz Not simple Jan 31 20:38
_doug techfud.org Jan 31 20:40
schestowitz No.. Jan 31 20:41
_doug Tyrannical Elementary Crackhead Heralder of Fear and Utter Deviance .. :) Jan 31 20:41
benJIman Perhaps you should host it on windows server 2008 for better availability. Jan 31 20:45
_doug benJIman: why are you here ? Jan 31 20:45
benJIman I told you before I’m paid to watch this channel. Jan 31 20:47
_doug keep up the good work. Jan 31 20:47
_doug How is the Open SuSE project going ? Jan 31 20:47
MinceR benJIman: so having to reboot the server every few days counts as better availability over there? :> Jan 31 20:47
_doug benJIman ? Jan 31 20:49
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benJIman That’s a bit of a vague question. Jan 31 20:50
_doug Last new user joined in July 2008 .. Jan 31 20:51
NZheretic What has happened to the  boycottnovell.com website? “This Account is Experiencing Technical Difficulties” Jan 31 20:51
_doug one member in the UK .. Jan 31 20:53
_doug BN: The hosting service is experiencing difficulties Jan 31 20:53
benJIman _doug: User of what? Jan 31 20:54
_doug the OpenSuSE forum .. Jan 31 20:54
benJIman Oh. Jan 31 20:55
_doug http://forums.opensuse.org/m… Jan 31 20:55
benJIman It’s full of failure, like most web fora. Jan 31 20:55
_doug Would Novell consider hosting the BN site ? Jan 31 20:55
PetoKraus notfun Jan 31 20:56
benJIman They can’t even host community openSUSE stuff for legal reasons. Jan 31 20:56
schestowitz NZheretic: we got too much load Jan 31 20:56
_doug “The openSUSE Forums have 20663 (+521) registered users ..” Jan 31 20:56
_doug t community openSUSE” Jan 31 20:57
_doug can’t host opensuse, why not ? Jan 31 20:57
_doug what legal reasons? Jan 31 20:58
_doug ping benJIman, what does the manual have to say on Novell not being able to host openSuSE stuff ? Jan 31 21:03
benJIman ? Jan 31 21:04
benJIman They can’t host some openSUSE projects because they don’t have control over them. Jan 31 21:04
benJIman e.g. if they contribute to or actually do infringe patents. Jan 31 21:04
benJIman Like ffmpeg packages, or links to ffmpeg packages. Jan 31 21:04
benJIman Or nvidia drivers that infringe the GPL etc. Jan 31 21:05
_doug is there a position paper from Novell on that matter ? Jan 31 21:06
benJIman I’m not sure what you mean. Jan 31 21:06
benJIman They have stated they will not host things that they know infringe on software patents or the GPL. Jan 31 21:06
_doug I thought Novell distributed openSuSE, including ffmpeg, so where’s the risk? Jan 31 21:07
benJIman They don’t distribute ffmpeg no. Jan 31 21:07
benJIman They don’t distribute the nvidia drivers. Jan 31 21:07
benJIman They don’t distribute mplayer. Jan 31 21:07
benJIman etc. Jan 31 21:07
_doug software.opensuse.org, Registrant Organization: Novell  Inc… Jan 31 21:08
benJIman And? Jan 31 21:08
_doug last I recall they came on the disk or from the update site ? Jan 31 21:08
benJIman Nope Jan 31 21:09
_doug download.opensuse.org, registrant organization: Novell  Inc. Jan 31 21:10
MinceR these opensuse guys must be really confident of their work if they recommend windows instead :> Jan 31 21:10
schestowitz benJIman: how about those layoffs?  I hope the Linux part of not affected? Jan 31 21:10
benJIman schestowitz: I noticed your headline was an order of magnitude out. Jan 31 21:10
schestowitz Can Ronald be sacked then? Jan 31 21:10
schestowitz benJIman: no. Jan 31 21:10
schestowitz 25% Jan 31 21:10
benJIman schestowitz: 100 not 1000. Jan 31 21:10
schestowitz Novell has 400 employees? Jan 31 21:11
benJIman The 25% was not accurate. Jan 31 21:11
schestowitz What’s accurate? Jan 31 21:11
benJIman 3%. Jan 31 21:11
schestowitz Source? Jan 31 21:12
benJIman http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?comm… and the article you linked after update. Jan 31 21:12
benJIman http://news.cnet.com/8301-13… Jan 31 21:12
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GoblinRFD Hi Roy.  Everything ok? Your site appears to be down. Jan 31 21:15
benJIman Why don’t you put the status in the topic so people don’t have to keep asking. Jan 31 21:15
GoblinRFD Sorry.  Just got here! Jan 31 21:15
schestowitz GoblinRFD: yes, Digg+LT effect Jan 31 21:16
schestowitz It was actually responding (barely) just before it needed to be isolated Jan 31 21:16
GoblinRFD :( Jan 31 21:16
schestowitz :-( Jan 31 21:16
schestowitz Waaaaaaaaaaaaaahh Jan 31 21:16
GoblinRFD Roy are u on twitter? Jan 31 21:17
schestowitz could be worse.. http://www.tuxmachines.org/ Jan 31 21:17
schestowitz Been down for almost a week cause DNS doesn’t point there Jan 31 21:18
schestowitz She could get deindexed for it Jan 31 21:18
PetoKraus deindexed? Jan 31 21:19
schestowitz And Groklaw works privately: http://www.groklaw.net/article.p… Jan 31 21:19
schestowitz The more important the news, the more likely you are to go down Jan 31 21:20
schestowitz It’s annonying, but hey, what can you do? Jan 31 21:20
PetoKraus that’d explain why my server runs so well Jan 31 21:22
schestowitz What would? Jan 31 21:23
PetoKraus <schestowitz> The more important the news, the more likely you are to go down Jan 31 21:23
schestowitz Oh Jan 31 21:24
schestowitz Well, I got some E-mails about it Jan 31 21:24
schestowitz Many Linux sites/people link to it Jan 31 21:24
schestowitz But now they’ll get an ugly page Jan 31 21:24
schestowitz You pull the server back up and get back where you started… it crawls. Jan 31 21:24
schestowitz So the account is set aside. I needed to apologise to the host when it happened last year Jan 31 21:25
PetoKraus bwah Jan 31 21:26
schestowitz It’s annoying but I can’t do anything. If I could, I would Jan 31 21:26
schestowitz I could put more pages on cache Jan 31 21:26
schestowitz But this endured Digg and Slashdot before, so I was hopeful. Another FP was on the way but not it spews out an error, so it won’t make it Jan 31 21:27
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schestowitz http://www.itwire.com/con… Jan 31 21:39
GoblinRFD Quote of the day: Jan 31 21:39
GoblinRFD “I am sorry you don’t see using Windows Vista a gift millions of users world wide are benefiting from. :)” – Andre Da Costa – Twitter Jan 31 21:39
schestowitz The trolls are, as usual, using downtime to make false accusations Jan 31 21:40
schestowitz “Roy, I couldn’t help but notice the below appended post.  I followed the link and did some research, now has your URL as a GoDaddy parked site.  Is boycottnovell down for good?  Word “suspended in the “net-prophets.com” URL doesn’t reflect good. “ Jan 31 21:40
GoblinRFD RE: Link – Yeah Ive been discussing this elsewhere.  MS will love that. Jan 31 21:40
schestowitz The trolls in USENET deceive people now Jan 31 21:40
schestowitz “OP was apparently Gary who used a comment spamming open proxy from Germany to crosspost to: comp.os.linux.advocacy, alt.2600, microsoft.public.security.homeusers and 24hoursupport.helpdesk. “ Jan 31 21:40
schestowitz ANyway… It’ll be back soon. Jan 31 21:41
GoblinRFD yeah over on MS watch they take to impersonating handles to cause confusion Jan 31 21:41
schestowitz We had too much traffic (like half a million hits in hours) Jan 31 21:41
schestowitz I don’t know why Coral didn’t take it Jan 31 21:41
schestowitz Maybe we got hit elsewhere Jan 31 21:41
schestowitz Because the server stablised when I got back from the gym Jan 31 21:42
schestowitz Then it slowed down again, someone told me too, but it was still there. Jan 31 21:42
schestowitz Andre Da Costa is still patting a dino Jan 31 21:42
GoblinRFD Chips over on MS watch managing to find a link to Andre Da Costa and pictures of the laptop he was allegedly given by Microsoft. http://cid-e8e5cc039d51e3db.skydrive.live.co… Jan 31 21:43
GoblinRFD look at him, all smiles..Im not surprised he supports Microsoft, poor lad is probably after more free gifts. Jan 31 21:43
schestowitz Hehe. Jan 31 21:45
schestowitz Is this him? http://cid-e8e5cc039d51e3db.skydrive… Jan 31 21:45
schestowitz Shilboy? Jan 31 21:45
schestowitz Expertise: copy&paste MS press releases Jan 31 21:45
GoblinRFD probably, but then if the allegation is true, what does it say about Microsoft.  Target an impressionable lad in a poor country, send him a gift (which he probably wouldnt be able to afford) and then sit back and watch him promote your products in the hope of getting more.  Sounds like $6000 well spent. Jan 31 21:46
GoblinRFD and if its true, is probably one of the lowest acts Microsoft has ever done. Jan 31 21:47
schestowitz That’s Microsoft. Jan 31 21:47
NZheretic schestowitz : Just open that last jpeg in gimp and increase the brightness Jan 31 21:51
schestowitz Here’s use of “Open Source” where it has nothing to do with it: http://www.americanprogress.org/is… Jan 31 21:51
schestowitz NZheretic: what’s in there? Jan 31 21:51
NZheretic You can better see his face. Jan 31 21:52
GoblinRFD BBL – Gotta have a shower. Jan 31 21:53
schestowitz NZheretic: I’ll do a post about it later Jan 31 21:53
schestowitz I’ll probably do suse links tomorrow when the server can return. Jan 31 21:53
schestowitz Also ODF newsletter Jan 31 21:53
NZheretic schestowitz : His face is on his profile page ( http://cid-e8e5cc039d51e3db.profile.live.com/ ) so it is not big news. Jan 31 21:54
schestowitz Yes Jan 31 21:56
NZheretic schestowitz: “Target an impressionable lad in a poor country, send him a gift…” , Microsoft equivalent of the Nigerian Scammers? Jan 31 21:56
schestowitz GoblinRFD: do you have some resources on this chap? Jan 31 21:57
schestowitz Like sinlist? Jan 31 21:57
schestowitz \*LOL* Jan 31 21:57
schestowitz Watch the “network” Jan 31 21:57
schestowitz MJ (Mary Jo Foley) Jan 31 21:57
schestowitz Shills unite Jan 31 21:58
schestowitz There’s another MS orgy in NetworkWorld (IDG). it’s called Microsoft Subnet Jan 31 21:58
NZheretic schestowitz : You might want to double check the IP addresses he uses to see if is actually in  Jamaica W.I. Jan 31 21:58
schestowitz IDG give them a whole section of the site where Ashley recruits ‘shills’ to post blog items that glorify MS Jan 31 21:58
schestowitz http://cid-86589e2f0e686252.profile.live.com/ Jan 31 21:59
NZheretic http://www.upstartblogger.com/free-mac-… Jan 31 22:06
NZheretic Andre Da Costa May 23rd, 2008 at 10:53 pm Jan 31 22:06
NZheretic ‘am begging please let me win this MacBook Air, I am desperate for a laptop like this.” Jan 31 22:07
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schestowitz *LOL* Jan 31 22:07
Ziggy1 the site is down Jan 31 22:08
schestowitz YEs Jan 31 22:08
schestowitz I was laughing at something else Jan 31 22:08
schestowitz The site will be back later when the ghosts are gone Jan 31 22:08
Ziggy1 lol Jan 31 22:09
schestowitz Page requests Jan 31 22:09
schestowitz It has been bad since 4pm Jan 31 22:09
Ziggy1 what’s the time now Jan 31 22:09
schestowitz I tried to load it up at a hotel earlier, but it took minutes and no stylesheet either Jan 31 22:09
schestowitz 10pm Jan 31 22:10
Ziggy1 oh, ok Jan 31 22:10
schestowitz Shane and I upgraded the hosting account Jan 31 22:10
schestowitz It doesn’t help unless it’s a cluster though Jan 31 22:10
schestowitz Which I tried using in Coral Jan 31 22:10
Ziggy1 oh, ok, have you ever heard of godaddy? Jan 31 22:10
schestowitz Yes, why? Jan 31 22:11
schestowitz We’re on another host. Jan 31 22:11
Ziggy1 That’s who I use, there service is very good Jan 31 22:11
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schestowitz I hope PJ will be back to delivering Truth soon. No-one covers SCO, so MOG can muddy the water. Maureen O’Gara writes about he beloved SCO doubling the prices for quicker death.. http://opensource.sys-con.com/node/825407 (SCO Hikes Prices) Jan 31 22:30
Roy_B2 Still on sys-con even after they allegedly banished her, eh? Jan 31 22:31
schestowitz The fruadsters from Gartners vs FOSS again… http://www.baselinemag.com/c/a/Linux-and-Ope… Jan 31 22:33
schestowitz Maybe Microsoft will ‘employ’ them soon to compensate for the FOSS FUD they had granted Jan 31 22:33
Roy_B2 Tacky site, that sys-con.  Popped up an ad which blocked me from reading the article. Jan 31 22:33
schestowitz Roy_B2: MOG seems to be the main person running that place Jan 31 22:33
schestowitz She did this anonymously for a while Jan 31 22:33
Roy_B2 Problems with boycottnovell.com? Jan 31 22:35
schestowitz I actually found out it was her after her ‘supporter’ Bill Beebe snitched about her pseudonym Jan 31 22:35
Roy_B2 It shows “http://net-prophets.c… Jan 31 22:35
schestowitz This reached Groklaw through me.. Jan 31 22:35
schestowitz Roy_B2: yes, Digg effect Jan 31 22:35
schestowitz And others.. Jan 31 22:35
Roy_B2 I never knew it was actually a subdirectory of this “http://net-prophets.com/” … Jan 31 22:36
Roy_B2 What does “con” is “sys-con” stand for anyway? ;) Jan 31 22:36
schestowitz Roy_B2: it’s not a subdir Jan 31 22:36
schestowitz There’s a redirect now Jan 31 22:37
schestowitz It’s on /home/boycottn/public_html/ Jan 31 22:37
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schestowitz BTW, it turns out the report about 25% of Novell employees getting the pink slip is incorrect (bad sources). I need to correct it tomorrow Jan 31 22:38
schestowitz DOD launches site to develop open-source software http://fcw.com/articles/2009/01/30/dod-lau… Jan 31 22:38
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GoblinRFD Ah…What was the correct Novell figure? Jan 31 22:39
schestowitz 3% Jan 31 22:39
schestowitz They’ll need to fire more though, in due time Jan 31 22:40
GoblinRFD I wonder if thats the 3% that sponsor mono Jan 31 22:43
schestowitz :-) Jan 31 22:44
schestowitz No, these are the key people Jan 31 22:44
schestowitz They weave together Nov and Soft Jan 31 22:44
GoblinRFD oh well it definately wont be mono Jan 31 22:44
GoblinRFD Mono is about as popular as a horny dog in a Ms Lovely Legs competition. Jan 31 22:44
GoblinRFD Src: Modified from a saying by Arnold J Rimmer. Jan 31 22:45
schestowitz Or Ubuntu Edgy in 2009. Jan 31 22:46
GoblinRFD :) Jan 31 22:46
GoblinRFD Andres appeal for a Macbook is now up on Microsoft Watch. Jan 31 22:47
GoblinRFD I dont think Microsoft will be too impressed. Jan 31 22:47
Roy_B2 Another O’Gara story: Microsoft-Yahoo: Bartz to Ballmer: ‘Don’t Hold Your Breath’ <http://search.sys-con.com/node/825084> Jan 31 22:47
schestowitz Here’s what destroying the US: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8174 (‘lobbyists’) Jan 31 22:47
schestowitz Roy_B2: she also called Bartz a bitch Jan 31 22:48
schestowitz I wouldn’t feed here anyway Jan 31 22:48
GoblinRFD I could be wrong…. Jan 31 22:48
GoblinRFD but she does look hot. Jan 31 22:48
Roy_B2 Sounds like projection to me … Jan 31 22:49
schestowitz GoblinRFD: who? Jan 31 22:49
schestowitz Bartz? Jan 31 22:49
schestowitz Or that MOG mug from the 1970s or whatever? Jan 31 22:49
GoblinRFD On the above link… Jan 31 22:50
schestowitz As doug says, “she’s growing younger” Jan 31 22:50
GoblinRFD however Ive just googled her…. Jan 31 22:50
GoblinRFD Ill retract the hot comment Jan 31 22:50
GoblinRFD and say in my defence that shes got sun glasses on in the photo above. Jan 31 22:50
GoblinRFD and im tired Jan 31 22:50
GoblinRFD sorry. Jan 31 22:50
GoblinRFD *Goblin hangs his head in shame Jan 31 22:50
schestowitz http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=m… Jan 31 22:50
schestowitz She’s not the 1980s figure Jan 31 22:51
GoblinRFD ah Jan 31 22:51
GoblinRFD Thats ok then! Jan 31 22:51
schestowitz Look.. we’re in page 1 there… with MccBride’s picture assigned to his shillGara Jan 31 22:51
schestowitz http://www.prwatch.org/node/8168 “An exploiter. A scoundrel. A world historical mother******* son of a bitch. (sorry grandma).” Jan 31 22:53
schestowitz “… A couple of years ago I demanded he stop his work. Close down his company or I would sever our relationship.” Jan 31 22:53
schestowitz Some criminals are truly running the US” Jan 31 22:53
schestowitz Criminals in suits Jan 31 22:53
schestowitz Even HIS SON is blasting him Jan 31 22:53
schestowitz Calling him  “mother******* son of a bitch” Jan 31 22:53
Roy_B2 Nice: “… perfected the art of setting up non-profit “charitable” groups to advance corporate interests.” Jan 31 22:55
Roy_B2 Sounds “innovative”, at least? ;) Jan 31 22:55
schestowitz No, BillG predates it :-) Jan 31 22:57
schestowitz More news on him here: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8177 Jan 31 22:57
schestowitz What does it take to have people like these put in prison? Also Carl Icahn, Nathan Myhrvold, etc. Isn’t there a some law that separates them from society or something? Jan 31 22:58
PetoKraus hm Jan 31 23:01
PetoKraus the tenenbaum case is interesting Jan 31 23:01
PetoKraus at least. Jan 31 23:01
Roy_B2 On Myrhvold: I remember him from the older days.  He was Bill G.’s “right hand man” and he was portrayed in the media as a sort of benign “mad scientist” character.  But then I thought, “If he has all these brilliant ideas, then why does Microsoft ever pro Jan 31 23:05
Roy_B2 duce anything birlliant?” Jan 31 23:05
Roy_B2 *don’t Jan 31 23:06
schestowitz See the mails in BN Jan 31 23:07
schestowitz He promoted vapourware Jan 31 23:07
schestowitz Explicily Jan 31 23:07
schestowitz The guy is a little devil, not a mad scientist Jan 31 23:07
schestowitz I have many Comes exhibits on him coming Jan 31 23:07
Roy_B2 Of course.  Those were the days before the US v. Microsoft case. Jan 31 23:07
schestowitz “right hand man” means something else. Jan 31 23:08
Roy_B2 My point was that even then, something didn’t quite add up. Jan 31 23:08
schestowitz BillG with the brainfarts, Nathanm with the wank… and then there’s Martin Taylor which is the second evil half of of  SteveB Jan 31 23:08
schestowitz There’s a control mania there which leads them to genuinely think that they fight all those “unAmerican companies” Jan 31 23:09
Roy_B2 Such as IBM? Jan 31 23:10
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schestowitz But it verge the insane..one guy, well… Rocking back and forth on a chair while Ballmer flings these bits of furniture. Jan 31 23:10
schestowitz IBM helped the Nazis Jan 31 23:10
schestowitz But IBM is a country of its own Jan 31 23:10
schestowitz Microsoft too is an international political movement Jan 31 23:10
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Roy_B2 There’s some pushback even in the States now. Jan 31 23:11
schestowitz I’m not sure Jan 31 23:11
Roy_B2 i.e. a Congressman who asked how many Americans Microsoft will lay off vs. how many overseas workers Jan 31 23:11
schestowitz Roy_B2: I am very concerned about the US Jan 31 23:11
PetoKraus schestowitz: what’s the comes trial about, basically? Jan 31 23:11
PetoKraus i’m trying to catch up Jan 31 23:12
PetoKraus i didn’t pay attention for last few months Jan 31 23:12
schestowitz I think it’s a greater risk to world peace than all other countries combined… much like military scale Jan 31 23:12
schestowitz And Obama can’t change this Jan 31 23:12
schestowitz He’s just a front man to a Big Machine Jan 31 23:12
schestowitz As for IBM and Microsoft, they are bigger and more powerful than the federal government Jan 31 23:12
schestowitz In fact, if you were to draw levels of authority Jan 31 23:13
schestowitz Then you’d have a huge blob for companies like GM and GE that control the media even… then you’d have other companies in this cloud Jan 31 23:13
schestowitz The government is like their ‘front desk’ Jan 31 23:13
schestowitz It’s the shadow they cast upon the public to complain to Jan 31 23:13
schestowitz Being an illusion, the public sees it different Jan 31 23:13
schestowitz We imagine a big powerfgul government that’s symbolic of or analogous to limitary Jan 31 23:14
Ziggy1 schestowitz: I think that Obama is our best chance ATM at restoring order in the US government Jan 31 23:14
schestowitz And all those troops are supposedly there to defend us from those nice companies that are trying to give us money (wages) and polices by the government Jan 31 23:14
Roy_B2 Obama seems pretty shrewd and loathe to be adverserial. Jan 31 23:15
schestowitz In reality, however, the government is polices by the coprorations in countries like the US Jan 31 23:15
schestowitz UK too Jan 31 23:15
schestowitz *policed Jan 31 23:15
Ziggy1 it won’t change overnight but it will happen Jan 31 23:15
GoblinRFD Im just about to give Jackalope 9.04 daily build a test run….so ill be off soon Jan 31 23:15
schestowitz Ziggy1: Nader is Jan 31 23:15
GoblinRFD take care all….back later Jan 31 23:15
schestowitz Ziggy1: even Ron Paul seemed decent Jan 31 23:15
schestowitz He called it like it is Jan 31 23:15
schestowitz GoblinRFD: cyea l8r Jan 31 23:16
Ziggy1 GoblinRFD: cya Jan 31 23:16
GoblinRFD take care all…..! – Smoke me a kipper, ill be back for breakfast. Jan 31 23:16
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schestowitz Obama will find that companies ensure *he* doesn’t stand in their way Jan 31 23:16
schestowitz They did, after all, fund his campaign Jan 31 23:17
schestowitz He owes them Jan 31 23:17
Ziggy1 true Jan 31 23:17
Roy_B2 To a lesser extent than others. Jan 31 23:17
schestowitz Yes Jan 31 23:18
schestowitz What others Jan 31 23:18
schestowitz Pail and McBush? Jan 31 23:18
schestowitz *Palin Jan 31 23:18
Roy_B2 Still, I doubt he has the mettle to make real “change you can believe in” Jan 31 23:18
schestowitz Oh, I believe in it Jan 31 23:18
Roy_B2 McSame Jan 31 23:18
schestowitz But we don’t all believe in the same thing Jan 31 23:18
schestowitz McShame Jan 31 23:19
MinceR Pail :D Jan 31 23:19
schestowitz Typo Jan 31 23:19
Ziggy1 lol Jan 31 23:19
schestowitz Pale Jan 31 23:19
schestowitz Maybe Freudian, but no.. Jan 31 23:19
MinceR i prefer Pail (=bucket) Jan 31 23:19
schestowitz What’s in it? Jan 31 23:19
MinceR dunno Jan 31 23:19
MinceR or perhaps Palin’? Jan 31 23:19
Roy_B2 Nothing? Jan 31 23:19
schestowitz Maybe she had a wild party Jan 31 23:19
Roy_B2 I guess she dreams of being the next Bush Jan 31 23:20
Roy_B2 The last one, frighteningly enough, showed what was possible. Jan 31 23:20
MinceR http://www.flickr.com/photos/adydas/… Jan 31 23:21
Roy_B2 That is, before him I would’ve considered her chances about nil.  Now, I’m not so sure … Jan 31 23:21
schestowitz She can’t runa  country Jan 31 23:22
schestowitz Powell said the same.. Jan 31 23:22
Roy_B2 You mean “ruin”? Jan 31 23:22
schestowitz *run a Jan 31 23:22
schestowitz Now even a county Jan 31 23:23
Roy_B2 I heard she’s set up a fund-raising committee. Jan 31 23:24
Roy_B2 Picture of Alaska superimposed on the continental US. Jan 31 23:24
Roy_B2 Sounds “pale” to me … Jan 31 23:24
schestowitz Pah! Jan 31 23:26
Roy_B2 http://www.sarahpac.com/ Jan 31 23:27
Roy_B2 Complete with a picture of her in front of “real America” :) Jan 31 23:28
Ziggy1 anyway I’m off got to go shopping Jan 31 23:29
Ziggy1 c ya all Jan 31 23:29
Roy_B2 Ha, sounds familiar Jan 31 23:29
Ziggy1 brb in hour Jan 31 23:30
schestowitz Ziggy1: cya Jan 31 23:30
schestowitz Hopefully BN will be rerun by then Jan 31 23:30
schestowitz I have things I want to post Jan 31 23:31
Ziggy1 do you have daily links ready? Jan 31 23:31
*NZheretic has quit (“Leaving”) Jan 31 23:32
schestowitz Ziggy1: sort of, yes. Jan 31 23:32
schestowitz If it’s not up in a few hours, I’ll post them tomorrow Jan 31 23:33
Ziggy1 k,anyway cya Jan 31 23:33
schestowitz I did all I can to keep the site up for 4 hours of CPU murder, so I can’t have regrets :-) Jan 31 23:33
*Ziggy1 (n=brendan@123-243-163-103.static.tpgi.com.au) has left #boycottnovell Jan 31 23:33
*r0ver (n=r0ver@200.127.24.112) has left #boycottnovell Jan 31 23:39
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