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03.20.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 19th, 2009 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 2:20 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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_Hicham_ excellent article (old) : http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Ope… Mar 19 00:11
_Hicham_ it seems that attacks already begun on Novell Mar 19 00:12
_Hicham_ http://wiki.banshee-project… Mar 19 00:12
_Hicham_ check it out Mar 19 00:13
Balrog__ what about this *** with red hat? I don’t hear much good things Mar 19 00:13
Balrog__ heh I see. DOWN Mar 19 00:13
_Hicham_ Balrog_ : what is happening to RedHat? Mar 19 00:14
Balrog__ the patents issue Mar 19 00:15
Balrog__ leading to bad press Mar 19 00:15
_Hicham_ what patent? Mar 19 00:15
_Hicham_ by the way, I find that banshee is nothing more than a RhythmBox ported to their crappy Mono Mar 19 00:16
Balrog__ Red Hat took out a patent on something in an ‘open’ standard Mar 19 00:16
Balrog__ read BN Mar 19 00:16
Balrog__ http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03… Mar 19 00:18
Balrog__ _Hicham_: I don’t know what this means  :x Mar 19 00:18
_Hicham_ wow, RedHat also? Mar 19 00:23
_Hicham_ I can’t believe that Mar 19 00:23
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_Hicham_ Microsucks is contaminating the world Mar 19 00:23
_Hicham_ we must find a vaccin Mar 19 00:23
Balrog__ _Hicham_: We’re not sure about their intents yet. :/ Mar 19 00:23
_Hicham_ Balrog_ : this is the worst that I have ever heard Mar 19 00:24
_Hicham_ patents around an open standard? Mar 19 00:24
_Hicham_ is Roy here? Mar 19 00:27
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tessier_ http://www.theage.com.au/articl… Security fears spark Linux drive in Iran Mar 19 00:28
_Hicham_ everyone is sleeping in here Mar 19 00:54
Balrog__ not me :) Mar 19 00:55
tessier_ So that’s three of us awake. Mar 19 00:58
_Hicham_ and tessier also? Mar 19 00:58
_Hicham_ this is a great day Mar 19 00:58
_Hicham_ how r u doing tessier? Mar 19 00:58
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_Hicham_ Balrog_ : u remind me of Street Fighter’s Balrog Mar 19 00:59
_Hicham_ I played Street Fighter a lot when I was a child Mar 19 00:59
_Hicham_ one of my friends then even dreams about Street Fighter’s characters Mar 19 01:00
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_Hicham_ one day he dreamed that Balrog became skinny and Dhalsim fat Mar 19 01:00
_Hicham_ :D Mar 19 01:00
_Hicham_ I think RedHat is changing its policy Mar 19 01:03
_Hicham_ Revenue is the most important for a company Mar 19 01:03
_Hicham_ not the philosophy like so many prefer to say Mar 19 01:03
_Hicham_ but Mar 19 01:03
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schestowitz Hey Mar 19 01:08
*schestowitz list track Mar 19 01:08
Balrog__ hey Mar 19 01:08
schestowitz So much news today Mar 19 01:08
Balrog__ _Hicham_ : still around? Mar 19 01:08
schestowitz Just posted links Mar 19 01:08
_Hicham_ welcome back Roy Mar 19 01:09
_Hicham_ did u post sthg new? Mar 19 01:09
_Hicham_ Balrog_ : I am still here Mar 19 01:09
Balrog__ any new commentary about the redhat patent issues? …. Mar 19 01:10
Balrog__ (other than what I saw on BN…) Mar 19 01:10
schestowitz Balrog: yes, new link Mar 19 01:10
schestowitz *s Mar 19 01:10
_Hicham_ what is that Roy? Mar 19 01:10
_Hicham_ is it true that RedHat is changing its policy? Mar 19 01:11
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2… Mar 19 01:11
schestowitz _Hicham_: no, same policy at Red Hat. Mar 19 01:11
schestowitz One person/group at least is upset Mar 19 01:11
schestowitz It’s not representative of a broad view Mar 19 01:11
Balrog__ but it’s nevertheless disturbing…..? Mar 19 01:14
*schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v… Mar 19 01:14
schestowitz Balrog: to an extent Mar 19 01:14
schestowitz I know Pieter, so.. Mar 19 01:14
schestowitz gn Mar 19 01:20
zer0c00l ibm wants to buy sun? http://www.businessweek.com/tech… Mar 19 01:21
zer0c00l http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090… Mar 19 01:21
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mib_x0x3s0 what the hell is wrong with microsoft Mar 19 02:00
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zer0c00l later Mar 19 03:04
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tessier We’ve been asking that question for years. Mar 19 03:43
_Hicham_ tessier : some people just dont care Mar 19 03:44
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twitter M$ was founded by people who used computers the wrong way, against their owners and without their consent.  Everything they have done since flows from that attitude. Mar 19 03:52
twitter http://slashdot.org/~twitter… Mar 19 03:52
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twitter gn Mar 19 04:36
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schestowitz monrin Mar 19 08:06
zoobab01 hi Mar 19 08:21
schestowitz Any news? Mar 19 08:21
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zoobab01 I have some audio recordings of the STOA event Mar 19 08:34
zoobab01 next week is the WIPO meeting Mar 19 08:34
schestowitz I see…… Mar 19 08:35
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N… Mar 19 08:39
PetoKraus hahaha Mar 19 09:03
PetoKraus the linux adverts are hilarious Mar 19 09:04
schestowitz The Paradox of Transparency < http://radar.oreilly.com/200… > Mar 19 09:06
schestowitz Turns out Obama continues with the Bush lies: Gates Carries Over Iraq-WMD Lie < http://www.consortiumnews.com/… > Mar 19 09:07
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schestowitz SUSE Linux Enterprise Server– the Pointless Linux? < http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxpla… > Mar 19 09:41
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schestowitz oiaohm: is it known if Apple’s doing DRM in headphones? What’s the verdict? Maybe Balrog would know too Mar 19 10:04
oiaohm At this time not enough details to make a call schestowitz Mar 19 10:05
schestowitz If it’s a storm in a teacup, then it’s better off ignored. Mar 19 10:05
schestowitz I’ll wait Mar 19 10:05
oiaohm Problem with working out if a chip is linked to DRM is all the different forms of DRM> Mar 19 10:06
oiaohm Watermarking will be the hardest to prove of disprove. Mar 19 10:06
oiaohm of/or Mar 19 10:06
oiaohm Think the chip inside the head phones provides the only controls for the ipod shuffle.   Its not exactly DRM but its a bit of required chip for some devices. Mar 19 10:10
oiaohm No matter what the thing Apple is doing is a vendor lock making replacement head phones harder schestowitz Mar 19 10:15
oiaohm If more companies copy with there own different standard nice way to make head phones more expesnive. Mar 19 10:15
oiaohm There is no really special reason why control part and headphones could not have been two parts. Mar 19 10:16
schestowitz Yes, agreed. Mar 19 10:17
schestowitz There’s this deviation from standards Mar 19 10:17
schestowitz Risky territories. Mar 19 10:17
oiaohm Techs you are looking for when you suspect something is a drm device linked.  Is doing encryption/decencryption.  Apple has said the chip is not doing that.   Providing a unique id Apple has not ruled that out at this stage. Mar 19 10:18
oiaohm Finally watermarking audio near it.  Very had to split for normal interferance to singles a chip can cause. Mar 19 10:19
oiaohm Really the unique id bit should get rules out in time. Mar 19 10:20
oiaohm That is the problem when something is claimed that a chip could be DRM is disproving it when there are no other makers of the chip and the design is closed to public review. Mar 19 10:22
oiaohm See you have had a lot of new schestowitz Mar 19 10:27
oiaohm new/news Mar 19 10:27
schestowitz Yes, loads. Maybe today too, who knows..? It’s a good sign for FOSS Mar 19 10:28
oiaohm You have to remember that using timings from computer responses has been trialed as a system to id a system remotely.  Its about 98 precent correct.  So basically everything is already partly watermarked by maker defects. Mar 19 10:32
oiaohm Watermarking is the hardest anti copy system to detect. Mar 19 10:33
oiaohm Its the stupid thing about DRM most DRM systems do not use watermarking to re enforce them. Mar 19 10:35
schestowitz Well, too late for them Mar 19 10:35
schestowitz Creative Commons grew Mar 19 10:35
schestowitz They need to adapt to other business model Mar 19 10:35
schestowitz The ages of printing 0s and 1s on plastic discs and shipping it to homes is over Mar 19 10:36
schestowitz Likewise for the idea of putting 1-2 good tracks and some ‘fill’, then charging $1 per track, including the ‘fill’ (to give illusion of value) Mar 19 10:36
schestowitz don’t feed the mafiaa. http://torrentfreak.com/sxs… Mar 19 10:38
oiaohm Some of the Watermarkers out there that don’t get labeled as drm is like http://www.magnatune.com/ Mar 19 10:39
oiaohm Embeding person personal information in the file kinda discourages them sharing it. Mar 19 10:39
oiaohm Old saying is so true there is more than 1 way to skin a cat. Mar 19 10:41
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schestowitz oiaohm: watermarking the cat? Mar 19 10:43
harrytuttle hi Mar 19 10:44
schestowitz Hey, harrytuttle Mar 19 10:44
harrytuttle ive had an idea about the consorship going on right now Mar 19 10:44
harrytuttle from ACMA Mar 19 10:44
harrytuttle http://tech.slashdot.org/article… Mar 19 10:44
harrytuttle so its about that link thats on that blacklist and comes with a fine of $11000 Mar 19 10:45
harrytuttle the one which is anti-abortion Mar 19 10:45
harrytuttle so wikipedia tests this by linking from their ACMA-article to that site Mar 19 10:46
harrytuttle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki… Mar 19 10:46
oiaohm They under extermate power of the Australian Communications and Media Authority in Australia. Mar 19 10:47
schestowitz Conroy? Mar 19 10:47
oiaohm License telecommunications carriers and ensure compliance with licence conditions and carriage service provider rules  << Notice this. Mar 19 10:47
oiaohm ACMA has the power to shutdown ISP’s. Mar 19 10:48
harrytuttle what if everbody would take such a “blacklisted” link (which could be considered unrightfully un such a list because its free speech other than maybe offensive and illegal stuff) Mar 19 10:48
oiaohm By removing there License Mar 19 10:48
harrytuttle and posted this link on any public site which allows comments like youtube? Mar 19 10:48
oiaohm Idea that stunts will work against them. Mar 19 10:48
oiaohm Not wise. Mar 19 10:48
oiaohm Remember ACMA has the power to force a firewall into existance without goverment approval. Mar 19 10:49
harrytuttle but youtube would have to either blacklisted also or remove that under the fine Mar 19 10:49
oiaohm I am sorry those stunt pullers are playing right into ACMA hands. Mar 19 10:49
harrytuttle so i guess google would fight that Mar 19 10:49
harrytuttle oiaohm can you please explain? Mar 19 10:50
oiaohm Ie if 11000 dollar fines don’t work.  Australian will end up with completely censored internet. Mar 19 10:50
harrytuttle no way Mar 19 10:50
oiaohm ACMA does not need goverment approval to do it. Mar 19 10:50
harrytuttle so whhat? Mar 19 10:50
oiaohm All they need is law breakers. Mar 19 10:50
oiaohm Leading to need for extra enforcement. Mar 19 10:51
oiaohm So thoses smart asses as playing straight into ACMA hands. Mar 19 10:51
oiaohm Failure to understand ACMA with the right to take away licences from all ISP and Phone carries unless they do what they want in Australia. Mar 19 10:52
oiaohm Is past being controlled by any form of trick. Mar 19 10:52
schestowitz Sign of the times (for non-Free software): Oracle License Sales Fall in Q3 < http://www.pcworld.com/article/161501/ora… > Mar 19 10:53
oiaohm By the way harrytuttle one forbin video in the past had it DNS entry to its website blocked by Australian ISP’s due to ACMA order. Mar 19 10:54
harrytuttle oh, okay so you say we should just stand by and watch them do unjustice in the first place? WE are no law-breakers, THEY are… Mar 19 10:54
harrytuttle its not past Mar 19 10:54
oiaohm Doing wrong against them will not work. Mar 19 10:55
harrytuttle so they should just do that to youtube, they should ban whole youtube from australia Mar 19 10:55
oiaohm Simple fact that is in there power harrytuttle Mar 19 10:56
harrytuttle so yeah, WE have the power to make them do that!!! Mar 19 10:56
oiaohm At this stage they are trying fines instead of extream force. Mar 19 10:56
harrytuttle so they should fine youtube Mar 19 10:57
oiaohm Next step will most likely be forced web filtering on ISPs. Mar 19 10:57
harrytuttle well, fine Mar 19 10:57
harrytuttle go ahead i say Mar 19 10:57
harrytuttle if it affects youtube, wonderfull Mar 19 10:57
oiaohm Its a gandie (Ok fameous guy that proved force was not required to win). Mar 19 10:58
oiaohm There are many peaceful ways to protest.  Finding invalid items black listed is 1. Mar 19 10:59
oiaohm Winning against some with the power to take you out does not happen by making yourself look bad. Mar 19 10:59
*schestowitz looks into a bizarre server issue at BN. The server as a whole hardly responds, so it doesn’t seem like account-level issue Mar 19 11:03
schestowitz The server has an error. There is no access to databases and I cannot access cpanel either (it just doesn’t quite respond). I just though I should draw the host’s attention to it, so I did. This is annoying. There was also 1/2 hour downtime yesterday around the same time. Mar 19 11:08
oiaohm Hmm that sounds like a cron job. Mar 19 11:08
oiaohm Its too regular. Mar 19 11:08
schestowitz It’s quite often that it happens in the mornings (GMT) Mar 19 11:09
schestowitz Either way, it doesn’t seem to be an account-level issue (I hope not) and no DB is reachable. Mar 19 11:09
schestowitz Does cpanel rely on a DB too? Mar 19 11:09
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oiaohm Some versions do schestowitz Mar 19 11:10
oiaohm Define morning. Mar 19 11:10
schestowitz Hmm… TechFlash seems to be down too Mar 19 11:11
schestowitz oiaohm: not exactly the same times… but over in the US it’s night time Mar 19 11:11
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oiaohm There is a gobal thing. between midnight and 1am  local time email sync happens. Mar 19 11:11
schestowitz Another thing: Mar 19 11:12
oiaohm Theory is that is when the lightest load on the network. Mar 19 11:12
schestowitz yesterday, after a 1/2 hour downtime, there was a time change Mar 19 11:12
schestowitz The server went an hour backwards Mar 19 11:12
oiaohm That is a crash. Mar 19 11:12
oiaohm Server time cannot go backwards without a splat. Mar 19 11:12
schestowitz But I thought DST had already occurred in the US. Mar 19 11:12
schestowitz oiaohm: I see…… Mar 19 11:13
oiaohm DST time stops. Mar 19 11:13
oiaohm Ok opps Mar 19 11:13
schestowitz Microsoft has released IE8… more poison on the web…. “compatibility mode” Mar 19 11:13
oiaohm grennish mean time does not alter with DST Mar 19 11:13
schestowitz Greenwich? Mar 19 11:13
oiaohm greenwish mean time ie GMT+0 Mar 19 11:14
schestowitz Yes. Mar 19 11:14
oiaohm If that altered wrong server has a problem., Mar 19 11:15
schestowitz I can only access stuff like webalizer (no DB). The rest sort of times out Mar 19 11:15
oiaohm I am so use to system admins we check server with some time that is not effected by DST. Mar 19 11:15
oiaohm Does not take much to code up a page to show GMT on a server. Mar 19 11:15
schestowitz US runs smear campaigns and such in South America: “one of the media coverage mentions the role of the Washington D.C.-headquartered political consulting firm Greenberg Quinlan Rosner. In a media release, the firm states that it provided “public opinion research and strategic advice” for Funes’ campaign.” http://www.prwatch.org/node/8273 Mar 19 11:18
oiaohm Ok what kind of time does your database store schestowitz Mar 19 11:19
oiaohm I hope not local time effected by DST.   That can sometimes send some websites into fits. Mar 19 11:19
schestowitz Industries Storm States Over Climate Change < http://www.followthemoney.org/press/R… > Mar 19 11:20
schestowitz oiaohm: I don’t know what time Mar 19 11:21
schestowitz oiaohm: why DST though? Mar 19 11:21
schestowitz I only brought it up because a day ago it changed Mar 19 11:21
oiaohm Normally bad compares. Mar 19 11:23
oiaohm IE hang on It was midnight just before it cannot be it again problem. Mar 19 11:23
schestowitz it feel around 11am today. Let me check yesterday’s Mar 19 11:23
oiaohm Good database interfaces you don’t use local time ever. Mar 19 11:24
schestowitz oh, around 8am GTM yesterday Mar 19 11:24
oiaohm You convert from GMT to local so it cannot happen.  I don’t know how well wordpress is designed. Mar 19 11:24
oiaohm I know phpnuke had a problem for a while because it let admins set local time to be stored in database. Mar 19 11:25
schestowitz oiaohm: it’s not a WordPress issue Mar 19 11:25
schestowitz Wikimedia can’t reach the DB either. Neither can cpanel, apparently Mar 19 11:26
oiaohm Just had to rule it out. Mar 19 11:26
oiaohm If its about the same time always you would say its a service or a action. Mar 19 11:27
oiaohm Hopefully not a cleaner pulling a power plug. Mar 19 11:27
oiaohm Yes that really does happen schestowitz Mar 19 11:27
oiaohm Hardest one I ever had to track down was a pure power disruption because caused by the lights and other computers being turned on in the building leading to a switch failing temporary. Mar 19 11:31
schestowitz “Joe Tartakoff, the former Microsoft reporter at the Seattle P-I..” http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/… Mar 19 11:31
schestowitz The server is there Mar 19 11:32
schestowitz Just not the DB server, I think Mar 19 11:32
schestowitz OK Mar 19 11:33
schestowitz Something’s happening Mar 19 11:33
schestowitz Now it responds quickly to say no DBs are there. Mar 19 11:33
schestowitz cpanel: “Firefox can’t establish a connection to the server at boycottnovell.com:2082″ it used to just time out before, not it’s ‘not there’, so maybe it’s worked on? Mar 19 11:34
schestowitz Ok, server offline now Mar 19 11:35
schestowitz Ubuntu Newbie Guide: Compiz, How to Get the Cube and Mac-like Dock Bar (Avant Window Navigator) [part 4] < http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/03/com… > Mar 19 11:37
schestowitz OK, it’s back after less than an hour Mar 19 11:41
schestowitz oiaohm: you may be right.. about DST Mar 19 11:45
schestowitz I notice that one post did not appear because of time… as though timing or something had it confused Mar 19 11:45
schestowitz Could server problems be caused by this (CMS/commit times), oiaohm?> Mar 19 11:46
oiaohm Depends on the SQL script send to database server. Mar 19 11:47
oiaohm If it goes into a load loop causing the db to be killed due to too much load yes. Mar 19 11:48
schestowitz For all I can tell, adding to DB at 5AM server time is when problems struck Mar 19 11:48
schestowitz Then, although the data was put it, it was seen as ‘future time’, therefore didn’t appear Mar 19 11:48
oiaohm That is sounding like a flaw in the way it setup. Mar 19 11:49
oiaohm It depending on local time instead of something solid like GMT. Mar 19 11:49
schestowitz Server time not changed Mar 19 11:50
schestowitz Anyway, no data was lost or anything. Let’s wait for host’s diagnosis (if they bother) Mar 19 11:51
oiaohm It could be a simple database server splat. Mar 19 11:51
oiaohm Caused by bad SQL from something like the CMS. Mar 19 11:51
oiaohm So check it for updates and if any problem like you are suffering form is reported schestowitz Mar 19 11:52
schestowitz Why is Ubuntu the most popular distro? < http://manishtech.wordpress.com/2009/0… > This would annoy many Mar 19 11:52
oiaohm Because Redhat is not intestested in Desktop at this stage schestowitz Mar 19 11:52
oiaohm Not like Desktop pays anything at this stage. Mar 19 11:52
oiaohm Ubuntu has failed to make there Desktop cash generating. Mar 19 11:53
oiaohm Desktop linking cleanly to servers is required to make desktop pay. Mar 19 11:53
schestowitz “boycottn_wrdp1.wp_categories warning : 4 clients are using or haven’t closed the table properly status : OK boycottn_wrdp1.wp_comments warning : 1 client is using or hasn’t closed the table properly status : OK boycottn_wrdp1.wp_crossreferences warning : 4 clients are using or haven’t closed the table properly status : OK” Mar 19 11:53
schestowitz Just the usual. Mar 19 11:53
schestowitz Because it’s still running Mar 19 11:53
schestowitz “This MySQL server has been running for 0 days, 0 hours, 18 minutes and 17 seconds. It started up on Mar 19, 2009 at 06:47 AM. “ Mar 19 11:54
schestowitz “Query statistics: Since its startup, 258,353 queries have been sent to the server.” Mar 19 11:54
schestowitz Jay Leno Freaks Out That The Unemployed Might Prefer Money Over Free Leno Tickets < http://techdirt.com/articles/2… > Mar 19 11:56
schestowitz People who use barrels to catch rain from their roofs breaking law, says State of Colorado < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/… > Mar 19 11:59
schestowitz It’s *Not* The 15th Birthday of Linux – and Why That Matters < http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/i… > Mar 19 12:03
oiaohm Linux was still quite raw to use in 1993 Mar 19 12:07
oiaohm It was still quite tough to use in 1995 Mar 19 12:08
oiaohm It had to been bad for me to still remember it over the vista nightmare. Mar 19 12:08
schestowitz Vista will be remembered like Edsel. Mar 19 12:16
oiaohm What was Edsel LOL Mar 19 12:20
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edsel Mar 19 12:23
schestowitz http://www.networkworld.com/column… Mar 19 12:23
oiaohm Really IBM and SUN merging could be bad for AMD and INTEL. Mar 19 12:31
oiaohm Most of X86 motherboard tech depends on IBM and SUN patents. Mar 19 12:31
oiaohm http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3…  Nice mips chip. Mar 19 12:34
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zer0c00l hi :-) Mar 19 12:36
oiaohm Hi zer0c00l Mar 19 12:36
zer0c00l yes Mar 19 12:37
zer0c00l schestowitz: I thought of converting it and send, but decided to send it as is at the last moment Mar 19 12:38
MinceR hay Mar 19 12:39
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zer0c00l fingerprints? Mar 19 12:39
oiaohm http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=…  Intel not having a good day with there video driver and the Linux kernel. Mar 19 12:40
zer0c00l schestowitz: i got more Mar 19 12:40
zer0c00l :-) Mar 19 12:40
zer0c00l sending it one by one Mar 19 12:40
schestowitz oiaohm: yes, seen it Mar 19 12:46
schestowitz zer0c00l: yes, that was funny Mar 19 12:51
schestowitz I like jokes by mail Mar 19 12:51
zer0c00l lol Mar 19 12:51
schestowitz need wiki for those maybe Mar 19 12:51
zer0c00l yeah i got it from my friends Mar 19 12:51
schestowitz PGP fingerprints Mar 19 12:52
schestowitz But for jokes who needs em? Mar 19 12:52
zer0c00l that would be fun Mar 19 12:52
zer0c00l it would be fun if we add “Rants and laughs” column in bn like linux hater Mar 19 12:53
zer0c00l :-) Mar 19 12:54
oiaohm No Mar 19 12:54
zer0c00l why no? Mar 19 12:54
oiaohm Rants and laughs Linux hater uses for insulting people. Mar 19 12:55
zer0c00l yeah Mar 19 12:55
oiaohm Not something we should copy. Mar 19 12:55
zer0c00l ok Mar 19 12:55
oiaohm Even trying mythbusting bring conflits. Mar 19 12:56
*zer0c00l agrees Mar 19 12:56
oiaohm A what the… section could be fun.  Or a what were they thinking. Mar 19 12:56
oiaohm Basically mothers of screwups that cannot be taken as anything else. Mar 19 12:57
oiaohm Not really insulting but they do happen. Mar 19 12:57
schestowitz Yeah….. Mar 19 12:58
zer0c00l schestowitz: where did you get those pictures which you posted in BN? Mar 19 13:00
zer0c00l you do those by your own? Mar 19 13:01
zer0c00l some pics are really cool Mar 19 13:01
zer0c00l :-) Mar 19 13:01
schestowitz Stock Excahnge Mar 19 13:02
schestowitz http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml Mar 19 13:02
schestowitz That’s what I’ve used in my personal blog since 2004. Mar 19 13:03
*zer0c00l looks Mar 19 13:03
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seller_liar trmanco: hey trmanco Mar 19 13:12
seller_liar seller_liar: are you here? Mar 19 13:15
seller_liar trmanco:  are you here? Mar 19 13:15
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zer0c00l noo  he is portugal ;) Mar 19 13:16
zer0c00l *in Mar 19 13:16
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schestowitz Sun Microsystems’ Rise And Fall < http://www.forbes.com/2009/03/18/sun-m… > Mar 19 13:23
oiaohm Change name for Microsoft and its almost history repeating schestowitz Mar 19 13:34
Omar871 Hey all. Mar 19 13:35
Eruaran hello Mar 19 13:37
zer0c00l hii Mar 19 13:37
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_Hicham_ Hi All! Mar 19 13:43
_Hicham_ nobody is in here? Mar 19 13:43
oiaohm Maybe Mar 19 13:45
schestowitz :-) Mar 19 13:45
*schestowitz hides under <table height=”1700″> Mar 19 13:46
Omar871 schestowitz: lol Mar 19 13:48
zer0c00l :D Mar 19 13:48
Omar871 schestowitz: Can I ask for you consultation in something? Mar 19 13:49
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_Hicham_ Roy : anything new about the RedHat patent? Mar 19 13:51
schestowitz Check out the picture and price tag. This is pretty amazing: http://jkontherun.com/2009/03/… Mar 19 13:53
schestowitz Omar871: sure. Mar 19 13:54
Omar871 schestowitz: Thanks. Mar 19 13:54
schestowitz _Hicham_: no, I sent it for PJ to see though Mar 19 13:54
schestowitz Too many Red Hat “yes” men is risky Mar 19 13:54
Omar871 schestowitz: At college, I’m taking an MIS-Management Information Systems- course this semester, and the Doctor asked us to works in groups and prepare a case study about an organization of our choice. Mar 19 13:55
schestowitz Man tries Windows-centric hardware with Linux, blames Linux < http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology… > Mar 19 13:56
schestowitz Unicef :-) Mar 19 13:56
Omar871 To analyze their business model, find out their organizational structure, show they employed IT in their work, how did that affect their revenues, how did it help them achieve their goals.. etc. Mar 19 13:58
Omar871 We’ve actually decided to take Wikimedia. Mar 19 13:58
schestowitz Good. Mar 19 13:59
Omar871 Now, the question is, where can I find detailed information about their structure, their business model.. etc. Mar 19 13:59
schestowitz Not some tyranny., Mar 19 13:59
Omar871 ? Mar 19 13:59
Omar871 Yup. :) Mar 19 13:59
schestowitz Start with Wikipedia and follow the refrences. Mar 19 14:00
Omar871 mhmm.. Good idea! Thanks. ;) Mar 19 14:01
schestowitz At the end, put the work online to help others. No matter the language. Mar 19 14:03
schestowitz _Hicham_: Red Hat Clarifies Patent Stance, Emphasizes Commitment to Open Source < http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/ben… > Mar 19 14:14
zoobab01 you cannot rely on “promises” Mar 19 14:18
zoobab01 another company will buy RH and is free to change the promise the way they want Mar 19 14:18
zoobab01 promise is not leally binding Mar 19 14:18
zoobab01 legally Mar 19 14:18
schestowitz Oracle… Mar 19 14:24
schestowitz BN is down (technical reasons) *sigh* Mar 19 14:24
zer0c00l yes This Account is Experiencing Technical Difficulties Mar 19 14:24
zer0c00l Sorry for the inconvenience. Mar 19 14:25
zer0c00l when it will be up Mar 19 14:25
MinceR “suspended.page” Mar 19 14:26
schestowitz Yes, they work on it Mar 19 14:27
schestowitz Downtime yesterday and this morning. Mar 19 14:28
Omar871 schestowitz: Sure! I’ll consider that too! Mar 19 14:33
Omar871 schestowitz: I might very well sum it all up in a neat document and upload it to one or a couple of the famous documents websites, licensed under CC of course. Mar 19 14:35
schestowitz _Hicham_: Fedora’s leader on the Red Hat issue: “I keep asking myself, do people really think Red Hat is on the constant verge of turning to the Dark Side? What does a company have to do to get some credit?” http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~pau… Mar 19 14:43
MinceR he should ask himself how difficult would it be for microsoft to buy RH now Mar 19 14:49
schestowitz “Open Solaris 2008.11 has a lot to go. It’s better than 2008.05 and this is an important, encouraging step. However, it still cannot compare with the popular Linux distros, like openSUSE, Ubuntu or others. Major problems seem to be a rather deep gap between beginner’s despair and comfortable knowledge, lack of online sources to assist you in your quest and a certain rigidity toward daily stuff that people want, like multimedia, int Mar 19 14:50
schestowitz eractivity and good support for all sorts of peripherals and gadgets. It may be the Solaris marketing model, it may be me and my Linux-heavy habits, but I did not find 2008.11 to be ready for the average user, even an average Linux user, at that. “ Mar 19 14:50
schestowitz http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers… Mar 19 14:50
schestowitz Another MinceR: http://daveshields.wordpress.com/2009/… (Opera is THE BEST BROWSER for Ubuntu 8.10 Linux) Mar 19 14:53
schestowitz bbl Mar 19 15:15
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schestowitz “It looks like this was actually caused by your account. This account suspended by another technician due to causing load on the server …” :-( Mar 19 16:55
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schestowitz Sh*t Mar 19 16:59
schestowitz we must upgrade to better hosting Mar 19 16:59
schestowitz brb Mar 19 17:00
NeonFloss what do you have right now? Mar 19 17:01
schestowitz Shared Mar 19 17:01
NeonFloss how fast of a line? Mar 19 17:02
schestowitz Queries per second avg: 288.556 Mar 19 17:03
zoobab01 put lighttpd in front Mar 19 17:03
zoobab01 a static cache Mar 19 17:04
schestowitz This is a PITA Mar 19 17:05
schestowitz I think I know what may have caused it and I’ll modify the code to reduce load if they quickly unsuspend the account. I will also contact a host and see if/when we can move. Mar 19 17:06
schestowitz Your Surpass Hosting Hosting Account boycottnovell.com has been suspended because of CGI/PHP Overload Mar 19 17:07
schestowitz This was done for the following reason: Mar 19 17:07
schestowitz CGI/PHP Overload Mar 19 17:07
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schestowitz This account, boycottn, has been causing high load on the server and has been suspended: Mar 19 17:07
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schestowitz We have taken the following action against your account: Mar 19 17:07
schestowitz We’ve suspended the account as it’s been causing high load for MySQL and PHP: Mar 19 17:07
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schestowitz | Id   | User           | Host      | db             | Command | Time | State    | Info| Mar 19 17:07
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schestowitz | 9176 | northpol_joom1 | localhost | northpol_joom1 | Query   | 0    | Updating | UPDATE jos_stats_agents Mar 19 17:07
schestowitz SET hits = ( hits + 1 ) Mar 19 17:07
schestowitz WHERE agent = ‘Windows XP’ Mar 19 17:07
schestowitz AND type = 1 | Mar 19 17:07
schestowitz | 9177 | root           | localhost |                | Query   | 0    |          | show processlist Mar 19 17:07
schestowitz                     | Mar 19 17:07
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schestowitz Uptime: 4936  Threads: 10  Questions: 1424311  Slow queries: 4  Opens: 1641  Flush tables: 1  Open tables: 512  Queries per second avg: 288.556 Mar 19 17:07
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schestowitz You can resolve this situation by following these instructions: Mar 19 17:07
schestowitz Adjust the MySQL code, maybe this issue is related to an inefficiency in the code. If this doesn’t mitigate the issue and the traffic is legitimate traffic, please consider a Dedicated or VPS hosting environment. Mar 19 17:07
schestowitz == Mar 19 17:08
schestowitz So I’ll trim the code Mar 19 17:08
schestowitz We agreed that I’ll trim down the code significantly (I know what caused this) if the account can be brought back online quickly. We got some query sample. :-S Mar 19 17:20
schestowitz I’ll trim all the pages down considerable (almost no DB load) and then check php/mysqladmin too see how load it affected. Mar 19 17:30
schestowitz “Android-powered netbooks will emerge in 2009, analysts are predicting.” http://news.zdnet.com/2100-95… Mar 19 17:30
schestowitz Another optimistic take on IBM-Sun: eWEEK Labs on IBM/Sun: Open-Source Community Would Win < http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Sou… > Mar 19 17:37
MinceR “powered” is an exaggeration Mar 19 17:38
MinceR i’d rather call them “android-addled” Mar 19 17:38
tessier_ You don’t care for android? Mar 19 17:39
MinceR i don’t, as long as it’s crippled in the way it is Mar 19 17:41
MinceR crippled libc, no c++ support, no native app support Mar 19 17:41
MinceR (and then i haven’t even mentioned the lack of x) Mar 19 17:41
MinceR it’s inadequate even for a pda/phone and now someone has the bright idea to cripple a netbook with it Mar 19 17:41
schestowitz Wow. Check out: Mar 19 17:43
schestowitz http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAct… Mar 19 17:43
schestowitz “The situation in European Manufacturing is very serious and they have to dump billions on the markets. It is not crisis, more ike 2nd Great depression and the figures are horrible.” Mar 19 17:44
schestowitz http://www.egovmonitor.com/node/24173 Mar 19 17:45
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PetoKraus right Mar 19 18:05
schestowitz BN is back Mar 19 18:05
PetoKraus i’m quite sure now, that PIFTS exe is norton’s tool how to infect more people’s computers Mar 19 18:05
schestowitz I am trimming it down, so it’ll look funnt temporarily Mar 19 18:05
PetoKraus i mean Mar 19 18:05
PetoKraus look at the well timed response by malware companies Mar 19 18:06
PetoKraus it does seem too coincidential to me Mar 19 18:06
tessier_ MinceR: What do you mean by no native app support? Mar 19 18:06
MinceR tessier_: i mean that native linux apps are unsupported Mar 19 18:07
tessier_ Why would you want C++ support on it? Mar 19 18:07
MinceR they can’t access the GUI nor the special hardware Mar 19 18:07
tessier_ It’s not a regular PC. Mar 19 18:07
MinceR so i could run apps other than shitty java apps Mar 19 18:07
MinceR see, that’s the problem with it Mar 19 18:07
tessier_ I don’t care for java either. But you aren’t going to be able to run X on it like a normal machine. The hardware just isn’t there. Mar 19 18:07
tessier_ Does the iphone run X? Mar 19 18:08
tessier_ “While Linux netbook sales are increasingly lagging Windows ones, the analyst reckons Android could help reverse the trend. “ Mar 19 18:08
tessier_ Hmm…is that true? Mar 19 18:08
MinceR the iphone is even more crippled Mar 19 18:10
schestowitz PetoKraus: is it true that as the rumour goes, AV companies spread risk Mar 19 18:10
schestowitz ? Mar 19 18:10
MinceR i doubt being able to run even less apps would make netbooks more attractive Mar 19 18:10
schestowitz MinceR: it’s an IBM phone now Mar 19 18:10
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schestowitz (java) Mar 19 18:10
PetoKraus well i am almost sure that the AV business is just a self-perpetuating fluff Mar 19 18:10
schestowitz That too, matter of business, liability to shareholders, etc. Mar 19 18:11
PetoKraus i don’t believe that someone is capable of writing something like Conficker, and no one in the whole antivirus business is able to stop it Mar 19 18:11
balzac PetoKraus: I agree Mar 19 18:11
balzac It’s a protection racket sponsored and enabled by Microsoft Mar 19 18:11
MinceR no one in the antivirus business can take effect on all windows pc-s Mar 19 18:11
PetoKraus We guard your souls for peanuts, we guard your shops and houses for something more. Mar 19 18:12
PetoKraus      – Peter Gabriel Mar 19 18:12
MinceR (m$ is in the best position for that but some people disable automatic updates because they’re implemented in the most annoying way possible) Mar 19 18:12
balzac Microsoft’s willfully insecure design is also responsible for the giant spamming and DOS botnets Mar 19 18:12
PetoKraus sure Mar 19 18:12
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