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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: May 1st, 2009 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 1:06 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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oiaohm Its not new. May 01 12:25
oiaohm Scale is the difference that is all. May 01 12:26
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oiaohm If a normal colum flip floped it would have to be based on fact schestowitz or writen in weasel so it don’t loss customers. May 01 12:27
oiaohm Mags learnt early on do it too much loss too many readers. May 01 12:28
oiaohm Do it a little over the year regulars would tollerate it and it would get new readers in. May 01 12:28
oiaohm Basically shills did not learn anything from publishing history. May 01 12:29
schestowitz We need to find out more about how W-E works May 01 12:30
schestowitz It’s the largest shill organiser Microsoft is employinf May 01 12:30
schestowitz I think Miss Waggener or whatever (Laura) actually grew along with Microsoft because of her shilling May 01 12:30
oiaohm W-E  ?  full company name. May 01 12:30
schestowitz You can find it in old E-mails from Comes May 01 12:31
schestowitz Waggener-Endstrom May 01 12:31
schestowitz I probably misspelled something May 01 12:31
schestowitz “This is saddening stuff. At a recent Ruby conference (that I’m not going to name because it wasn’t their fault), a speaker (whom I’m not going to name for reasons of taste) had porn-flavored slides in his presentation; people were offended and said so. ” http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/Wh… May 01 12:33
oiaohm http://www.longtail.com/the_long_tail/20…  Yep those guys May 01 12:34
oiaohm http://www.microsoft.com/presspas…  Its basically MS press. May 01 12:35
schestowitz Proxy May 01 12:37
schestowitz You’re not supposed to call them Microsot May 01 12:37
schestowitz So when they hire shills May 01 12:37
schestowitz They don’t “work for Microsoft” May 01 12:38
oiaohm http://waggeneredstrom.com/abou… May 01 12:38
schestowitz http://www.longtail.com/the_lon… Almost no company behaves like this May 01 12:39
schestowitz there’s MAFIAA with MAFIAADefender May 01 12:39
oiaohm Patent holder for some very strange patents. May 01 12:39
schestowitz And there’s the oil companies that engage on genocide for cheap oil. But these are other problems. May 01 12:39
schestowitz Which patent? May 01 12:39
oiaohm INNOVATIVE PATENT-PENDING NARRATIVE NETWORK PRODUCT May 01 12:39
oiaohm Basically patenting a internet scanning tool to work out if your press is working. May 01 12:40
oiaohm And others. May 01 12:40
schestowitz http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/… May 01 12:40
oiaohm Notce that all you press access go into waggeneredstorm. May 01 12:40
oiaohm From MS. May 01 12:41
schestowitz Really? May 01 12:41
schestowitz Any link? May 01 12:41
oiaohm The PR Contacts May 01 12:41
oiaohm Where I said its basically MS press May 01 12:41
schestowitz Where is the patent text? May 01 12:42
schestowitz W-E is already scanning twitter for its spying dossiers or whatever they do May 01 12:42
schestowitz If they also patent that, then shame on them May 01 12:42
oiaohm Follow the Our IP sections on there web site. May 01 12:44
oiaohm There are a lot of warped things they are after patents on. May 01 12:44
schestowitz Whose Web site? May 01 12:45
oiaohm Microsoft Learning: Microsoft Press, books, multimedia training and certification, reference tools  << Also the reason why I said they are basically MS press they are all the press contact for that. May 01 12:45
schestowitz W-E? May 01 12:45
oiaohm W-E May 01 12:45
oiaohm yes there site. May 01 12:45
oiaohm http://waggeneredstrom.com May 01 12:46
schestowitz I’m there already May 01 12:46
schestowitz Poor design May 01 12:46
oiaohm Needs javascript enabled to even allow you everywhere. May 01 12:47
schestowitz thsnks, I’ll write about it later May 01 12:47
oiaohm Don’t miss the PR_Contacts May 01 12:47
oiaohm That is a big one how can they be independant if they are the PR contact for so many of MS departments. May 01 12:47
oiaohm Don’t MS departments trust themselves talking to the public. May 01 12:48
oiaohm Yes you can have a lot of fun with this schestowitz May 01 12:48
*schestowitz has connectivity issues ATM May 01 12:51
oiaohm I guess the interlink is a lot more public than you dreamed schestowitz May 01 12:53
schestowitz http://blog.internetnews.com/skerne… May 01 12:54
schestowitz oiaohm: seems selective May 01 12:54
schestowitz Someones you can tell when some routes went bust May 01 12:54
schestowitz It only started happening when Conficker came about, so it could be related to zombies May 01 12:54
oiaohm Remember I told you about the network defence system being activated May 01 12:55
oiaohm Lot of key rounters around the world can filter. May 01 12:55
oiaohm Problem is they are not what you call nicely selective. May 01 12:55
schestowitz Security in Open Source Projects: Lessons From Mozilla and Drupal < http://ostatic.com/blog/security-in-… >    <— this site hardly ever flames May 01 12:56
oiaohm Something people attacking the internet would not dream after the malissia worm where it was a human typo lot of major router managers work out that a worm could nuke the complete network. May 01 12:56
schestowitz I’ll need to do a wiki page abour W-E at some stage. We have heaps of material in 20 posts or so May 01 12:56
oiaohm So filters were added. May 01 12:57
schestowitz I have more in USENET May 01 12:57
schestowitz Filters assume bad nodes May 01 12:57
schestowitz Like zombies spewing spam May 01 12:57
oiaohm Conficker was the first time it was put fully into action. May 01 12:57
schestowitz I.e. someone innocent’s PC controlled by another, which is controlled by another… May 01 12:57
oiaohm Yes lot of the formulars have turned out to be like sledhammers. May 01 12:58
schestowitz Conficker: the Microsoft Morris May 01 12:58
oiaohm Cutting off gulty  with the incerent. May 01 12:58
oiaohm Sorry about it schestowitz May 01 12:58
oiaohm I was one of the ones who designed some of the formulars. May 01 12:59
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_Hicham_ Hi All! May 01 12:59
oiaohm Hi _Hicham_ May 01 13:00
_Hicham_ anything new oiaohm? May 01 13:02
oiaohm Other than having to write up a project plan no. May 01 13:02
oiaohm Something I like design a business network from nothing. May 01 13:03
oiaohm I guess you have heard about samba 3.4.0 containing franky option .  Samba 4 merged with Samba 3 so it can have a Active Directory Server. May 01 13:04
oiaohm What are you upto _Hicham_ May 01 13:05
schestowitz Isle of Man KKK burns cross on Facebook < http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… > May 01 13:06
schestowitz in _Hicham_ ‘s universe, network pwns YOU May 01 13:06
_Hicham_ does that mean no more headaches when it comes to interop with MS networks? May 01 13:07
schestowitz China launches DNA database to track trafficked kids < http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… > glyn moody will just love it. May 01 13:08
oiaohm Not quite yet _Hicham_ May 01 13:08
oiaohm Before end of year why would you run a MS ADS server when you can run a Linux one and not have to pay cals. May 01 13:08
oiaohm Its another wave of attack on MS bottem line.   Also will allow NAS servers into the ADS game. May 01 13:09
_Hicham_ I am talking about interop, not setting up new ADS May 01 13:10
oiaohm Samba 3 already had connect to ADS. May 01 13:11
oiaohm Samba 4 was about be ADS or a sub servent ADS server. May 01 13:12
_Hicham_ wow May 01 13:12
_Hicham_ how will MS react to that? May 01 13:12
oiaohm Not much they can do. May 01 13:12
_Hicham_ no patents law suit? May 01 13:13
oiaohm Thinking most ADS protocals are mutent public domain protocals. May 01 13:13
schestowitz http://www.businessreviewonline.com/os… May 01 13:13
oiaohm Basically nothing. May 01 13:13
oiaohm All patents would have prior art somewhere. May 01 13:13
oiaohm Also attacking samba the samba project could play dirty thinking they got funding to built the test suit for the MS protcols for MS. May 01 13:14
oiaohm Every bug in Windows Servers the samba project most likely knows. May 01 13:15
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schestowitz Nice examples of KDE4 plasma widgets: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/20… May 01 13:31
schestowitz Red Hat Hires Massively as GNU/Linux Business Carries On Growing at Double-Digit Pace http://www.bizjournals.com/trian… May 01 13:33
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schestowitz “Cassatt Preparing to Shut its Doors: Report – eWeek” May 01 13:50
schestowitz ‘The Source’ to close its doors < http://www.nationaljewelernetwork.com/njn… >. The press has been very quiet about business that shut down recently. Maybe because the press too is dying. May 01 13:51
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schestowitz Here is another company that tried to sell Vista and seems to have just died: http://www.theinquirer.net/inqu… May 01 14:10
schestowitz “Glyn Moodyglynmoody@schestowitz they’ve obviously learned from the UK’s shining example on DNA databases for children”  key word is “UK’s”, not “government’s” May 01 14:12
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schestowitz Mary Jo plays along w/ ms lies: http://blogs.zdnet.com/micros… May 01 14:25
schestowitz ms fakes leaks and loads May 01 14:25
schestowitz She is supposed to know this, so something tells me she pretends May 01 14:26
schestowitz She also advertises Vista7 some more today. :-( May 01 14:26
schestowitz glyn moody seems to be using twitter as a central point to all writings, so I’m dropping his blogspot feed. May 01 14:31
oiaohm I know some of the downloaders will be the future pirates. May 01 14:33
oiaohm aA May 01 14:33
oiaohm Also some of the downloaders are working out how secuirty flawed Windows 7 is. May 01 14:34
schestowitz Another new sub-notebook runs GNU/Linux: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/N… May 01 14:34
schestowitz oiaohm: less secure than Vista May 01 14:34
schestowitz I think it’s widely agreed and backed by _evidence_ by now May 01 14:35
schestowitz The ‘binary space’ of Vista was also explored some more by now May 01 14:35
oiaohm Windows 7 is still too heavy for device makers. May 01 14:37
schestowitz What’s the deal with this? http://www.wired.com/threatlev… May 01 14:39
schestowitz “Threat Level contacted Microsoft to find out if any part of the locked down Windows XP configuration got into general consumer versions of the software or has influenced how it configures future versions of its software. The company did not respond.” May 01 14:39
schestowitz Hold it right there. May 01 14:40
schestowitz Secure XP? May 01 14:40
schestowitz That’s like saying rock-solid cardboard. May 01 14:40
schestowitz oiaohm: Windows 7 is not that much faster than Vista  < http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?opti… > May 01 14:40
schestowitz Already confirmed some months ago in benchmarks May 01 14:40
schestowitz Get Lessig’s good new book now (free download): http://www.lessig.org/blog/2009/04… May 01 14:41
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oiaohm NSA version of XP is truly secure. May 01 14:43
schestowitz MinceR: HU: Procurement continues to puzzle open source companies  < http://www.osor.eu/news/hu-procureme… > May 01 14:43
oiaohm It has something like selinux in it. May 01 14:43
schestowitz nsa has selinux May 01 14:43
schestowitz beat me to it May 01 14:44
schestowitz but the Pentagon is sill being cracked May 01 14:44
schestowitz I very much doubt they secure windows May 01 14:44
oiaohm How many machines run NSA windows. May 01 14:44
oiaohm Not many and no way MS will ever ship it. May 01 14:44
oiaohm filesystem is not NTFS that is as far as my clues go to what in heck they have changed. May 01 14:45
schestowitz Very cool map about human origin (PIC): http://www.newscientist.com/dat… May 01 14:46
schestowitz Be careful of shill blogs: http://www.boingboing.net/2009/04… May 01 14:49
schestowitz More of the same: Journalism 2.0: Don’t Throw Out the Baby <  http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/j… > May 01 14:50
schestowitz Obama: ‘I believe waterboarding was torture, and it was a mistake’ < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/… >. Now will he put Bush and Cheney on trial? May 01 14:51
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oiaohm Besides there is a far more effective way to extract information. May 01 14:53
oiaohm Put the person in mri and ask them questions. May 01 14:53
oiaohm Unless they are well trained they cannot really lie on the answers. May 01 14:54
schestowitz Our campaign to Defend Peaceful Protest launches < http://www.opendemocracy.net/blog/ourkingd… > It’s like going 100+ years back in time. May 01 14:54
schestowitz oiaohm: that would not work May 01 14:55
schestowitz You want them to say things May 01 14:55
schestowitz Not to read minds May 01 14:55
schestowitz But… May 01 14:55
schestowitz One psychological thing is this: May 01 14:55
schestowitz You could ask specific questions and secretly check the brains response. May 01 14:55
schestowitz Like: “did man <X> phone you?” May 01 14:55
oiaohm Active areas of brain. May 01 14:56
schestowitz Or the US option: waterboard the hell out of the person. May 01 14:56
oiaohm Making up on spot shows up straight away due to much activity. May 01 14:56
oiaohm Its not reading minds.  It monitoring brains responces to question and creating answers. May 01 14:57
schestowitz Monitoring your MEP: A tricky issue < http://www.euractiv.com/en/eu-elections… >. EU is very secretive. May 01 14:58
schestowitz oiaohm: I think it’s more complicated than that May 01 14:58
schestowitz There is also a lot of probability theory and no accuracy May 01 14:59
oiaohm Compared to water boarding. May 01 14:59
oiaohm Were person will tell you what ever you want to hear so you will stop. May 01 15:00
oiaohm http://scienceline.org/2008/11/03…   MRI is 100 percent at detecting on the spot fibbing. May 01 15:02
oiaohm Planed lie that area is where it gets tricky. May 01 15:02
oiaohm Against people not trained to lie the lie its 100 percent effective. May 01 15:03
oiaohm Truely trained to lie there is no lie detect design yet or toture that will work. May 01 15:06
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schestowitz I wonder if Larry has ready it by now: http://openoffice.blogs.com/openof… May 01 15:16
trmanco https://bugs.edge.launchpad… May 01 15:22
schestowitz Doc Searls of Linux Journal writes about our own kentma1 http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/wh… May 01 15:23
schestowitz Brian Murray May 01 15:23
schestowitz Who’s that? May 01 15:23
schestowitz It good to advertise it not just as a replacement for the virus (mono) May 01 15:24
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schestowitz Also removing the very heavy stack of Monovell May 01 15:24
schestowitz To all those who blindly choose Ubuntu: As one with Ubuntu installed on 3 PCs, I recommend Mandriva: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news… May 01 15:28
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schestowitz Interesting post from Gary (ODF Foundation): http://openstack.blogspot.com/200… May 01 15:33
schestowitz Intelius Buys People Search Engine Spock May 01 15:35
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schestowitz Kucinich would have done something to put the torture blunder in front of a judge. May 01 15:50
schestowitz More information about Novell layoffs: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/… May 01 15:56
schestowitz Could Ubuntu 9.10 get rid of Mono? http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/… May 01 16:09
schestowitz Maddog on FOSS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9… May 01 16:15
Balrog I hope so May 01 16:15
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trmanco hehe May 01 16:19
trmanco it will pop into the repos, but I don’t really think it’s going to be in that release May 01 16:19
Balrog it will be in the repos May 01 16:21
Balrog there’s non free software in the repos May 01 16:21
trmanco I would love to se banshee written in c++ May 01 16:21
Balrog even stuff like vmware! May 01 16:21
trmanco yeah I know May 01 16:21
Balrog I’d like to see gnome-do in C++ May 01 16:21
trmanco flash and adobe reader are in too May 01 16:21
trmanco partner repo May 01 16:21
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trmanco I don’t see in which way something like gnome do is useful May 01 16:22
trmanco wanna see why Gnote rocks? May 01 17:14
trmanco before I remove mono crap from my system? May 01 17:14
schestowitz I’m doing a post about Spain May 01 17:15
schestowitz Microsoft Teaches Spanish Schools How to Smoke Windows: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/… May 01 17:23
trmanco schestowitz, http://trmanco.com/wp-conten… May 01 17:29
trmanco here is a reason May 01 17:29
trmanco tomboy -> user0m2.324s May 01 17:31
trmanco gnote -> user0m0.280s May 01 17:31
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trmanco spain is getting owned by microsoft May 01 17:34
trmanco time for the showdown May 01 17:36
trmanco http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/04/… May 01 17:36
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trmanco trmanco@trmanco-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get purge libmono0 mono-common May 01 17:38
trmanco Reading package lists… Done May 01 17:38
trmanco Building dependency tree May 01 17:38
trmanco Reading state information… Done May 01 17:38
trmanco The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: May 01 17:38
trmanco   libglitz-glx1 gvfs-bin libglitz1 python-dateutil python-enchant python-vobject libgdiplus May 01 17:38
schestowitz trmanco: that’s startup time, right? May 01 17:38
trmanco Use ‘apt-get autoremove’ to remove them. May 01 17:38
trmanco The following packages will be REMOVED: May 01 17:38
trmanco   libart2.24-cil* libflickrnet2.1.5-cil* libgconf2.24-cil* libglade2.0-cil* libglib2.0-cil* libgmime2.2a-cil* libgnome-keyring1.0-cil* May 01 17:38
trmanco   libgnome-vfs2.24-cil* libgnome2.24-cil* libgnomepanel2.24-cil* libgtk2.0-cil* libgtkhtml3.16-cil* libmono-addins-gui0.2-cil* libmono-addins0.2-cil* May 01 17:38
trmanco   libmono-cairo1.0-cil* libmono-cairo2.0-cil* libmono-corlib1.0-cil* libmono-corlib2.0-cil* libmono-data-tds1.0-cil* libmono-data-tds2.0-cil* May 01 17:39
trmanco   libmono-data1.0-cil* libmono-data2.0-cil* libmono-getoptions1.0-cil* libmono-getoptions2.0-cil* libmono-posix1.0-cil* libmono-posix2.0-cil* May 01 17:39
trmanco   libmono-security1.0-cil* libmono-security2.0-cil* libmono-sharpzip0.84-cil* libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil* libmono-sqlite2.0-cil* libmono-system-data1.0-cil* May 01 17:39
trmanco   libmono-system-data2.0-cil* libmono-system-web1.0-cil* libmono-system-web2.0-cil* libmono-system1.0-cil* libmono-system2.0-cil* libmono0* libmono1.0-cil* May 01 17:39
trmanco   libmono2.0-cil* libndesk-dbus-glib1.0-cil* libndesk-dbus1.0-cil* mono-2.0-gac* mono-2.0-runtime* mono-common* mono-gac* mono-jit* mono-runtime* tomboy* May 01 17:39
trmanco 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 49 to remove and 0 not upgraded. May 01 17:39
trmanco After this operation, 51.8MB disk space will be freed. May 01 17:39
trmanco Do you want to continue [Y/n]? May 01 17:39
trmanco schestowitz, yes May 01 17:39
trmanco schestowitz, should I press yes? May 01 17:39
trmanco I’ll take that as a yes May 01 17:40
trmanco done May 01 17:41
schestowitz The times are for startup, right? May 01 17:41
zoobab01 http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/04… May 01 17:42
trmanco yes May 01 17:42
trmanco I’ll write about it May 01 17:44
trmanco schestowitz, have you seen the image? May 01 17:44
trmanco zoobab01, lol May 01 17:45
Balrog trmanco: yes was the correct thing to do May 01 17:53
trmanco Balrog, Thank Hub May 01 17:54
Balrog though you should run ‘apt-get autoremove’ as well May 01 17:54
trmanco yeah May 01 17:54
trmanco already did :-P May 01 17:54
Balrog ok May 01 17:54
trmanco upgrade cruft May 01 17:54
Balrog aptitude does that for you May 01 17:54
Balrog yes. May 01 17:54
Balrog why does openoffice.org 3 look like windows in ubuntu 8.04? May 01 17:55
trmanco uh? May 01 17:57
trmanco oh that’s the theme May 01 17:57
trmanco Gnote is instant, even on a cold startup May 01 18:00
trmanco incredible what a simple port to a proper language can do May 01 18:00
Balrog nice. I tore out Tomboy and F-spot and Gnome-Do from this machine (Ubuntu 8.04) May 01 18:04
Balrog but there’s no PPA for Gnote for hardy :( May 01 18:05
Balrog Vadim’s is only for Intrepid and Jaunty May 01 18:05
trmanco tomboy was the only app holding me back on removing mono May 01 18:05
Balrog and some of us want to use LTE May 01 18:05
schestowitz Gnote ftw: http://boycottnovell.com/2009… May 01 18:05
trmanco Balrog, email him May 01 18:05
Balrog OK, then I’ll do that. May 01 18:05
trmanco I’ve already pinged him to update to the latest version May 01 18:05
trmanco schestowitz, :D May 01 18:07
trmanco I’ll write that too, in english and portuguese May 01 18:07
Balrog ok May 01 18:08
trmanco mono and tomboy take 55 megs of disk space May 01 18:12
schestowitz Apple considering price cuts  <  http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/n… > May 01 18:12
schestowitz trmanco: 50 floppes May 01 18:13
schestowitz *ies May 01 18:13
trmanco I removed f-spot so what’s in the cd is a little more May 01 18:13
trmanco maybe 3-5 megs more, not sure May 01 18:13
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schestowitz Heh. Ubuntu As TV Character Name < http://boredandblogging.com/2009… > May 01 18:19
trmanco I’m slow in writing, I’m not like schestowitz who is blazing fast May 01 18:19
schestowitz If gnote succeeds, someone might do the same t f-spot May 01 18:19
trmanco schestowitz, that is what g-photo is for May 01 18:19
trmanco sorry, gthumb May 01 18:19
schestowitz brbr May 01 18:20
schestowitz phone May 01 18:20
trmanco ok May 01 18:20
trmanco og btw May 01 18:24
trmanco the gnote version I’m using is 0.2.0 May 01 18:24
trmanco not the final release May 01 18:25
trmanco newest* May 01 18:25
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schestowitz An open letter to Mark Shuttleworth < http://www.tuxradar.com/content/o… > May 01 18:34
schestowitz Is GNOME Di in Fedora?!?! May 01 18:34
schestowitz “To launch Gnome Do, press the ‘super’ key (mapped to the ‘Start’ key) and the spacebar together. Type whatever you wish (such as a URL, a file name, an application to launch, etc). and then perform the action, or press the Tab key to decide which action to perform. If you match the name of an image file, you could decide to open this, upload it to Flickr or to Imageshack. The utility is available directly from the Ubuntu a May 01 18:34
schestowitz nd Fedora repositories.” May 01 18:34
schestowitz http://www.whatpc.co.uk/personal-c… May 01 18:34
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schestowitz How to upgrade from Mandriva 2009 to the new Mandriva 2009 Spring < http://www.unixmen.com/index.php?op… >. I guess it’s not simple from 2008.1 May 01 18:47
schestowitz Nice wooden theme for GNOME.. http://yatsite.blogspot.com/2009/… May 01 18:50
trmanco almost done with my gnome post May 01 18:51
schestowitz In PT-pt? May 01 18:53
schestowitz I wonder if btrfs will overrun ext4 before it’s even widely deployed. “Ubuntu 9.04 does not use ext4 by default” http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/05/01/ub… May 01 18:53
trmanco schestowitz, in english May 01 18:54
trmanco I will write also in portuguese May 01 18:54
schestowitz Chasing the white whale- “the year of the linux desktop” and “new ubuntu theme” < http://www.lamalex.net/2009/05/chasi… > May 01 18:55
schestowitz Some new positive reviews of BSDs on the desktop: http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=1239 http://www.dedoimedo.com/comp… May 01 18:58
trmanco schestowitz, http://trmanco.com/2009/05/01/gnote-vs-… May 01 19:00
trmanco I may have some typos or grammar errors May 01 19:00
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schestowitz The FSF has been working with a FOSS-oriented ad site to help them in the creation of a FLOSS advertising network. The finishing touches to their new advertising model will be completed within the next week or so, and they are starting to reach out to advertisers and web sites to help build interest. BN might become part of this. May 01 19:06
schestowitz They approached us too May 01 19:06
schestowitz “I don’t think you carry any display adverts currently, but would you be interested in doing so in an effort to help us to launch a free software friendly ad network? Unfortunately, too many sites that talk about free software carry proprietary adverts, so we are hoping that we can force a sea change.” May 01 19:07
trmanco that’s good news May 01 19:07
schestowitz I suggested they also contact Michael Larabel <michael at michaellarabel.com> from Phoronix. He’s very upset about his advertising deal. At BN we got none and Shane pays the bills with AdSense. May 01 19:07
trmanco http://adbard.net/ May 01 19:08
trmanco The Ad Bard Network is the only advertising network designed specifically for reaching the developers, architects, users and influencers in the free software community, allowing advertisers to directly communicate with the key customers in this exciting new area. May 01 19:08
schestowitz How did you know? May 01 19:09
trmanco it’s this ad network? May 01 19:10
schestowitz Chip sales dive 29% in March < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/20… > May 01 19:10
schestowitz trmanco: did you know them? May 01 19:10
trmanco I saw these ads on lwn long time ago May 01 19:10
schestowitz Suppose to be private for now, I think. May 01 19:10
schestowitz Ah, OK May 01 19:10
trmanco I didn’t know it was that site :-P May 01 19:11
schestowitz Someone has just mailed me some fascinating stuff I didn’t know about/ May 01 19:11
trmanco what is the topic? May 01 19:11
schestowitz “See here where they are trying to use the USTR as a stick to beat foreign competition.” http://www.michaelgeist.ca/conte… May 01 19:12
schestowitz http://ecuador-rising.blogspot.com/2009/04/… May 01 19:12
schestowitz http://www.wto.org/english/tr… May 01 19:12
schestowitz “The label is only there to make the consumers less guilty. A gigantic public relations exercise is all.” May 01 19:12
schestowitz “See the last one where they are using the ‘dolphin-safe”’ legislation to keep Mexico’s tuna out of the US market. Now we all know the only difference between “dolphin-safe” and dolphin-unsafe” tuna is a label. I recall reading a report where, the same boats go out using the same equipment using the same methods as before they introduced “dolphin-safe” tuna.” May 01 19:12
schestowitz Is this common knowledge? May 01 19:12
schestowitz My dad knew there was something funny about that label. May 01 19:12
schestowitz China is sailing around the world and netting lots of the fish that’s left in reefs too May 01 19:13
schestowitz I wonder when fish runs out….. May 01 19:13
schestowitz “There’s plenty of fish in the sea” is a bad phrase to use. Some are already going extinct, even mammals like dolphins and whales May 01 19:13
schestowitz The IP propaganda is very loud here in the UK May 01 19:15
schestowitz Separation in trade and restriction on development. VERY unethical. May 01 19:15
schestowitz Oracle to intensify battle with Salesforce.com < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/0… > May 01 19:18
schestowitz someone who knows the kernel well suggested that btrfs can do the best of both world when it’s done. Is this true? Does one need all the btrfs (or zfs) features on a desktop? May 01 19:20
trmanco I’ll brb May 01 19:22
trmanco back May 01 19:25
schestowitz RMS: ” The US  forced an Air France plane to fly outside US airspace because one of its passengers, a respected journalist, was on the “terrorist watch list”. This is yet more proof that US “anti-terror” measures are really “anti-dissident” measures — which makes them “anti-human-rights”, “anti-democracy” and “anti-citizen”. “ May 01 19:27
schestowitz April’s edition of GNOME Journal has just been formally published: http://www.gnomejournal.org/archives/ May 01 19:33
schestowitz wp-hackers was very quiet last month. http://comox.textdrive.com/pipermail… May 01 19:35
schestowitz http://comox.textdrive.com/pipermai… May 01 19:35
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Yorp hi guys, i love microsoft, and mr. ballmer too May 01 19:42
schestowitz Just in from OOoConf: IBM: “We are happy that MS has delivered support for ODF in SP2, even though MS said that it could not be done” May 01 19:44
schestowitz zelazny.freenode.net/irc.freenode.net just went bonkers May 01 19:44
Yorp whatever May 01 19:44
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schestowitz Mary Jo is doing LOADS or Vista7 PR at the moment. What got into her…?? May 01 19:46
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schestowitz http://nyulocal.com/city/2009/04/3… < An Apple a Day…Takes Away Your First Amendment Rights > May 01 20:08
-christel_-Hi all. Services have returned from a backup location, though we’re still working on the issue with the sponsor. We should be back to normal in due course. Apologies again, and thanks for using freenode! May 01 20:09
trmanco writing that gnote vs tomboy thing in portuguese May 01 20:25
schestowitz Thanks. May 01 20:29
schestowitz Where was the Engligh version again? May 01 20:31
schestowitz Can’t see it in the log May 01 20:31
trmanco give me a sec May 01 20:32
trmanco http://trmanco.com/2009/05/01/gnote… May 01 20:33
trmanco I’ve already caught some typos :( May 01 20:33
trmanco and corrected them… but I may have more May 01 20:33
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*schestowitz posts it to COLA May 01 20:44
schestowitz Nice theme by the way. Me like… May 01 20:45
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trmanco thanks May 01 20:57
schestowitz New blog? May 01 20:59
schestowitz Havn’t checked May 01 20:59
schestowitz *ve May 01 20:59
trmanco it’s not new May 01 21:02
schestowitz I have my own site too May 01 21:02
trmanco I just don’t post regularly May 01 21:02
schestowitz I hardly change it though May 01 21:02
schestowitz BN gets loads more readership May 01 21:02
schestowitz schestowitz.com at about 10k/day, BN at about 30k May 01 21:03
trmanco 10 k May 01 21:03
trmanco I get about 0.1 k May 01 21:03
trmanco :-p May 01 21:03
trmanco no wait, less 0.01k May 01 21:03
schestowitz I’ve just used the netapp cr*p in COLA to show what we need to show without a linkl May 01 21:04
schestowitz That Linux grew heaps relatively May 01 21:04
schestowitz Not that the absolute numbers say much May 01 21:04
schestowitz I heardly check stats anymore May 01 21:04
schestowitz Years ago I did it every day May 01 21:04
schestowitz Like 2004-5 May 01 21:04
schestowitz It rose to about 3000 visits/day (avg) in about 2005 May 01 21:05
schestowitz Strange week last week May 01 21:05
schestowitz Like 20k pages/day May 01 21:05
schestowitz Maybe bots May 01 21:05
schestowitz Probably May 01 21:05
*schestowitz reminisces the days of excitement over 100 visits/day May 01 21:06
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trmanco lol May 01 21:10
schestowitz The Internet is a wonderful thing and sharing platform. Those who don’t understand it never managed to make it work. Like old professors and such.. May 01 21:11
schestowitz Even the navy moved to Linux now: http://www.upi.com/Security_Industry/20… May 01 21:11
Balrog well the air force didn’t … http://tech.slashdot.org/article.p… May 01 21:14
Balrog read the comments if you feel like May 01 21:15
trmanco https://edge.launchpad.net/~v… May 01 21:15
trmanco hehe May 01 21:15
trmanco the man responsible for this ppa has already updated gnote :D May 01 21:15
trmanco but it still hasn’t been built yet May 01 21:16
Balrog cool; now just to wait until the 8.04 version is up May 01 21:16
trmanco Balrog, you already contacted him? May 01 21:17
Balrog yeah, he’s working on it May 01 21:18
Balrog I just tested it; works fine May 01 21:19
Balrog (from src) May 01 21:19
Balrog but I want the package May 01 21:19
trmanco ah ok :D May 01 21:20
schestowitz Balrog: seen it earller, thanks May 01 21:20
schestowitz Rest assured I have some expositions lined up May 01 21:21
schestowitz About crooked politicians and MS May 01 21:21
Balrog OK. May 01 21:21
trmanco published May 01 21:28
trmanco :D May 01 21:28
Balrog trmanco: : May 01 21:30
Balrog ? * May 01 21:30
trmanco my portuguese article on gnote and tomboy May 01 21:31
Balrog o ok. May 01 21:33
schestowitz we can only speculate on what will happen to zfs and btrfs now. Oracle created the latter due to zfs licensing. May 01 21:39
schestowitz Balrog: what happened to os x with zfs? May 01 21:39
Balrog zfs.macosforge.org May 01 21:40
Balrog it’s still being advertised for 10.6 May 01 21:40
Balrog http://www.apple.com/server… May 01 21:40
Balrog the thing about ZFS is that it’s already stable / shipping May 01 21:42
trmanco :D May 01 21:43
trmanco just seen that you posted my blog link on cola :-P thanks May 01 21:44
Balrog trmanco: ? May 01 21:46
trmanco Balrog, http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os… May 01 21:47
Balrog ok. May 01 21:54
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trmanco Small Business Owner Sues Google & Others Over ‘Android’ Name: http://searchengineland.com/sma… May 01 22:19
schestowitz Phew. Many posts in COLA today May 01 22:20
schestowitz I’ll need to relax for a bit May 01 22:21
schestowitz Android? May 01 22:21
schestowitz Open a dictionary May 01 22:21
schestowitz It has existed for many years May 01 22:21
schestowitz The android should sue us all HUMANS May 01 22:21
schestowitz The AMerican public should be furious over this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MshgrVIJF28 May 01 22:30
trmanco Apple Seeks Order Compelling Psystar to Provide Financial Info: http://www.groklaw.net/arti… May 01 22:32
trmanco it’s just some company who wants a have a tiny fight with google May 01 22:32
trmanco it might not last long May 01 22:32
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schestowitz I hardly follow that case anymore May 01 22:34
schestowitz here’s Paul 26 years ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wDJI… May 01 22:34
trmanco why are people feeding that net applications BS? May 01 22:47
schestowitz IDG? May 01 23:02
schestowitz They try to make it accepted May 01 23:02
schestowitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1KQ… Fringes… May 01 23:02
trmanco not only them, but people who are close to Ubuntu for example May 01 23:09
trmanco heise also covered this May 01 23:09
schestowitz see the comments re: gnote May 01 23:31
schestowitz “Roy, you missed a link to the original article: http://trmanco.com/2009/05/01/… May 01 23:31
schestowitz Hehe. trm May 01 23:31
schestowitz Like .ars May 01 23:31
PetoKraus let’s see gnote May 01 23:36
schestowitz It’s moving super-fast May 01 23:37
schestowitz Since March when it was concived May 01 23:37
schestowitz Maybe in the repos shortly May 01 23:37
schestowitz Let’s keep the project in some headlines and circles May 01 23:37
*schestowitz too tired May 01 23:51
schestowitz gn May 01 23:51
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