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12.12.09

Microsoft as Communism, Revisited

Posted in Deception, Free/Libre Software, FSF, Microsoft at 6:06 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

Soviet Microsoft

Summary: A very recent discussion of the “communist” smear against Free software

THIS is not yet another post reminding people that Microsoft — not Free software — resembles communism. We have done that several times before and so have others.

Ignorance and amnesia, combined with spin and deceit, can really make people believe just about anything, including the ridiculous claim that a scientific development model has something against capitalism. But that’s just McCarthyism incarnated. As TechCrunch phrased it two days ago, “Microsoft users [are] more gullible” and Vista 7 is a recent example.

When it cut the numbers by operating system, Chitika a similar trend. Windows users are about twice as likely as Linux or Mac users to click on ads. All of this data comes from one advertising network, so I’d say it is more suggestive than scientific (I’d love to know if other ad network are seeing the same trends). But it is a large sample.

Anyway, a couple of days ago we had an interesting discussion in the IRC channel. It starts around here and below is an excerpt.


schestowitz Wow. WHy is he insulting Allison? http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/12/10/fsf-is-asking-for-money-again/ Dec 11 12:21
phIRCe-local Title: FSF is Asking for Money Again « DoctorMO’s Blog .::. Size~: 40.91 KB Dec 11 12:21
*schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz Dec 11 12:21
kecskebak He’s saying Allison is not a born broadcaster – he’s right about that. That video should have been done as an interview and it would have been much better. Dec 11 12:23
kecskebak I thought Allison looked very uncomfortable and self-conscious. Dec 11 12:23
schestowitz The criticism of Allison is very unfair. It’s understandable that critics will always — and I mean ALWAYS — be described as “bad” (just ask Dennis Kucinich), but Allison has actually done a good job explaining /slowly/ (to non-English speakers) what Free software means. Dec 11 12:24
kecskebak Yes, but compare it to the Stephen Fry one. Dec 11 12:24
kecskebak I think the content of the video was fine, it was the format that was wrong. Dec 11 12:24
kecskebak Speaking to the camera – “down the bottle” – is one of the hardest things to do. Even some actor’s can’t do it well. Dec 11 12:26
schestowitz I see insults directed at the appearance of RMS Dec 11 12:26
schestowitz They don’t seem to understand that the hair has become a symbol that helps identify Stallman in the crowd. Many people in music and sports do the same thing because with different looks they simply lose their identity (and following). Dec 11 12:26
schestowitz kecskebak: yes, but Fry is in broadcasting Dec 11 12:27
schestowitz I wouldn’t want Fry to become Samba patchmaster Dec 11 12:27
kecskebak Well, that’s as daft as asking Allison to talk down the bottle and not as an interview subject Dec 11 12:27
kecskebak FSF did something that silly and stuck it on their home page Dec 11 12:27
schestowitz Yes Dec 11 12:27
schestowitz Allison responded to it in BN Dec 11 12:28
schestowitz http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Dell-Optiplex-780-USFF-and-Vostro-V13/ Dec 11 12:28
phIRCe-local Title: Ubuntu-ready Dell desktop looks like a nettop – News – Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 64.97 KB Dec 11 12:28
kecskebak I think Allison is an incredible bloke and very, very brave for speaking out against Mono Dec 11 12:28
kecskebak But I think that criticism of the video in the blog was fair comment Dec 11 12:28
kecskebak Microsoft is dying – and cornered wounded animals are the most dangerous. Dec 11 12:29
kecskebak That’s why they attack you so much. Dec 11 12:29
cubezzz no, I don’t think Stallman’s appearance was because he choose to look different Dec 11 12:29
cubezzz he just doesn’t think about his appearance Dec 11 12:29
kecskebak I think the “vicious front end” referred to in the blog was not Stallman’s appearance but his manner. I think that criticism is very unfair. Dec 11 12:29
cubezzz I’ve met other programmers with “Stallman hair” :) Dec 11 12:30
*zer0c00l has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Dec 11 12:31
kecskebak I’ve always been amazed in videos of Stallman how calm and reasonable he is. I was expecting more spit and vinegar. Dec 11 12:31
cubezzz well he’s been attacked since the 80′s Dec 11 12:31
cubezzz nothing new there Dec 11 12:31
kecskebak So to criticise Stallman’s manner in that blogpost was very unfair in my view. Dec 11 12:32
cubezzz he’s a “communist” Dec 11 12:32
kecskebak Socialism is just for corporations, not the people. I notice Microsoft and the rest love state handouts Dec 11 12:32
cubezzz Stallman can get pretty irritable Dec 11 12:33
cubezzz personally, I like Stallman though Dec 11 12:33
cubezzz no fake politeness Dec 11 12:33
schestowitz cubezzz: RMS had a beard bad in the 30s Dec 11 12:34
schestowitz He was clean shaved before GNU Dec 11 12:34
schestowitz /bad/back/ Dec 11 12:35
cubezzz in the 30s? :) Dec 11 12:35
cubezzz he’s not that old Dec 11 12:35
schestowitz His 30s Dec 11 12:35
cubezzz ah :) Dec 11 12:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I like the new Thundebird, now I have tabs and sub-tabs…. tabs within other tabs for organisation. Splendid! Dec 11 12:35
cubezzz yes, he once had a crew cut if you go back far enough Dec 11 12:35
schestowitz cubezzz: yes, “communist” if science if the new communism :-) Dec 11 12:36
schestowitz The power of spin and perception Dec 11 12:36
schestowitz You could go about drawing analogies between Microsoft and communism Dec 11 12:36
schestowitz 1) everyone is the sam… Dec 11 12:36
schestowitz 2) One leader Dec 11 12:36
kecskebak 3) One Microsoft way :) Dec 11 12:36
schestowitz 3) No expression of code/thought (modification) Dec 11 12:36
schestowitz And so on… Dec 11 12:36
cubezzz I’m just repeating what people said on usenet in the 80′s, it’s all still there on google groups Dec 11 12:37
schestowitz I’m actually very surprised by how Linux advocates are daemonised Dec 11 12:37
schestowitz For things they do not do or get distorted for the most part Dec 11 12:37
cubezzz yeah. that’s disappointing Dec 11 12:37
kecskebak I think communism is a shock word like paedophile – it sort of closes the argument and puts the person beyond the pale Dec 11 12:38
kecskebak ‘Religious’ is also used for Mono critics to do the same thing Dec 11 12:38
cubezzz no, I never thought of communism as a shock word Dec 11 12:39
kecskebak Many Americans do Dec 11 12:39
cubezzz for software at least Dec 11 12:39
schestowitz http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/experts-question-hungary-s-role-as-european-open-source-leader-2720 Dec 11 12:39
phIRCe-local Title: Experts Question Hungary’s Role As European Open Source Leader – News – eWeekEurope.co.uk .::. Size~: 27.04 KB Dec 11 12:39
cubezzz at most Stallman is a hybrid capitalist/communist with emphasis on the communist part Dec 11 12:40
MinceR lol Dec 11 12:40
*MinceR gets some hybrid cold/hot water Dec 11 12:40
cubezzz and true communism doesn’t really exist Dec 11 12:40
schestowitz Sadly for Microsoft, it has communism in it Dec 11 12:40
cubezzz warm water? :) Dec 11 12:40
schestowitz Their EU head used to be a communist in the proper sense Dec 11 12:41
MinceR well, communism was an idea that was never implemented Dec 11 12:41
MinceR s/was/is/ Dec 11 12:41
schestowitz And one of its advocate (Fiegel or something) written extensively to advocate communism in Europe in his younge days Dec 11 12:41
schestowitz So Microsoft has real communism baggage Dec 11 12:41
schestowitz They just hide it Dec 11 12:41
MinceR write an article on that :) Dec 11 12:42
cubezzz I think of Microsoft as fascist, not communist Dec 11 12:42
schestowitz MinceR: Microsoft communism? Dec 11 12:42
MinceR schestowitz: indeed Dec 11 12:42
cubezzz dare I say the H word? Dec 11 12:42
MinceR there is not a lot of difference between fascism and what was implemented as “communism” on earth Dec 11 12:42
cubezzz capitalism seems to fall apart if people get too greedy Dec 11 12:43
kecskebak MinceR: Spot on. That’s why the former communists are now running Hungary for the neo-Liberals Dec 11 12:43
schestowitz MinceR: OK Dec 11 12:43
kecskebak They didn’t need any training Dec 11 12:44
cubezzz but this doesn’t change the fact that we have FOSS, so in one small area we have real communism Dec 11 12:45
cubezzz it’s there if you want it Dec 11 12:45
MinceR actually it isn’t communism as long as it isn’t public domain Dec 11 12:46
MinceR sw still has an owner who could relicense it Dec 11 12:46
MinceR i’m not sure if the legal system would even allow it Dec 11 12:46
MinceR i wonder why are there ‘quasi-public domain’ licenses like the WTFPL, i remember hearing something like public domain not working the same way in all countries or something Dec 11 12:47
cubezzz well I suppose the gate keepers are really the maintainers Dec 11 12:49
cubezzz but anyone can be a maintainer Dec 11 12:49
oiaohm MinceR: WTFPL is just for fun form of License Dec 11 12:52
oiaohm Yes legally binding but not much better than Public domain. Dec 11 12:52
MinceR so public domain isn’t legally binding? Dec 11 12:53
oiaohm Public domain includes copyright expired works.   The expired works don’t need a legally binding contract to make them such. Dec 11 12:55
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  1. powered_by_tux said,

    December 13, 2009 at 8:48 am

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    I agree with cubezzz. To me, Microsoft appears as fascist, not communist.

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