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Links 18/10/2012: Ubuntu 12.10 'Quantal Quetzal' is Out





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GNU/Linux

  • My Spies Come Through, Finally
    A while back I sent a pack of spies into China but they were so distracted by touristy things that they forgot/neglected to report back on GNU/Linux on retail shelves in China.


  • GNU/Linux Selling on Retail Shelves in China
    I don’t read Chinese but the pictures seem consistent with reports of stores selling GNU/Linux in China. I don’t believe the stories that these machines are intended for illegal copies of XP. That may have been the case a few years ago but there’s a whole new generation of users getting PCs now that have never used XP and for whom smart phones and tablets are OK.


  • Top Linux-o-lanterns from around the Web


  • Should Linux Take a Lesson From Apple?
    It seems safe to say that most FOSS fans are sick to death of hearing about both of them, of course, but recently the always-insightful team over at TuxRadar posed yet another interesting question. Specifically, "What can Linux really steal from Apple?" was the title of the latest Open Ballot poll posted on the thought-provoking site, and there's no doubt it's provoked a lot of thinking.


  • Server

    • The World’s Most Powerful Climate Change Supercomputer Powers Up
      For all the political discord over climate change, one thing everyone can probably agree on is that when you’re throwing computational resources at modeling weather, the more the merrier.

      Think of the new computer that just came online at the NCAR-Wyoming Supercomputing Center in Cheyenne, Wyoming as a kind of dream come true from a meteorological standpoint, then, because it represents a mammoth increase in raw crunch-prowess, dedicated to studying everything from hurricanes and tornadoes to geomagnetic storms, tsunamis, wildfires, air pollution and the location of water beneath the earth’s surface.




  • Audiocasts/Shows





  • Kernel Space

    • The People Who Support Linux: Tushar Kute Brings Linux OS to India’s Sandip Institute
      The native of Pune, India, encountered Linux for the first time as an engineering student, running it as an occasional alternative to Windows. But he didn’t fully embrace it as an operating system until he began teaching microprocessors and operating systems as a graduate student and assistant professor at the Sandip Institute of Technology & Research Centre in Nashik, India.

      Going straight into the educational sector after graduating from college meant Kute didn’t gain the real-world experience that comes from working in the industry, he said. Converting to Linux has helped him get hands on with research and development and greatly increased his understanding of computer systems.

      “I got inspired by various Linux & Open source developers & users. As it follows my ideology that, `Windows of knowledge are wide and open!” said Kute, via email. “I am passionate about programming and especially, C Programming! Linux has given me everything that I wanted in programming. As Linux is (an) open source operating system, I can study everything about a computer that I want to know.”


    • VMware Works On Mainlining More Linux Kernel Code
      VMware developers continue to work on mainlining more of their Linux kernel code to support their virtualization platform in the name of improving the "out of the box" experience for Linux VM guests. The latest work has been on pushing forward VMCI and VSOCK for the mainline Linux kernel.

      While the work hasn't hit the Linux 3.7 kernel and is still undergoing review, VMware has been pushing VMCI, the Virtual Machine Communication Interface, and VSOCK, VMCI Sockets, as being worthy of mainline for Linux.


    • Intel To Hide Early Hardware Support By Default
      While Intel is quick to work on enabling future hardware within their open-source graphics driver stack for Linux, the early support is often buggy and problematic on the early code before the hardware is released. Intel now intends to conceal this early hardware support -- for Valley View and Haswell right now -- behind a run-time variable for toggling the support.


    • Graphics Stack





  • Applications



  • Desktop Environments



    • K Desktop Environment/KDE SC/Qt

      • The KDE PIM meeting, just awesome!
        Last weekend from friday 12th till sunday 15th i attended the KDE PIM meeting in Berlin. I never had attended to any KDE meeting yet and i never went to a place that far away. I went there with a main focus on learning a lot about Akonadi, how it works and what it’s goal actually is. Obviously also to meet the people behind akonadi and just to socialize a bit with people that share a common interest: KDE.




    • GNOME Desktop

      • GNOME 3: Renaming Nautilus as Files is a good idea
        The more I think about it, GNOME's renaming of applications with clear words describing their function is a good thing to do.

        The file manager Nautilus is now called Files.

        The web browser Epiphany is now called Web.

        I believe that Totem will eventually be Movies (or something like that).

        Sure it makes it hard to manage these applications when you don't have them installed.






  • Distributions

    • Core17 1.7.4 Screenshots


    • New Releases



    • Red Hat Family

      • Piper Jaffray Gives Overweight Rating to Red Hat (RHT)


      • Red Hat Developer Day
        Red Hat are hosting a “Developer Day” at London South Bank University on the 1st of November. The day’s sessions cover various aspects of development using Red Hat supported technologies including developing to target multiple RHEL versions, using KVM for application virtualisation, and the OpenShift Platform-as-a-Service (PaaS).


      • Fedora

        • Fedora 19 Continues With Unique Names
          Aside from generally releasing late another de facto tradition for the Fedora Project has been unique codenames for each release. It looks like the Fedora 19 codename will continue in this manner.


        • Fedora 19 Might Replace Rsyslogd With Journald
          While Fedora 18 is still more than one month away and we don't even know the Fedora 19 codename yet, one F19 feature is being talked about already. Fedora 19 might replace rsyslog with systemd's journald as the default process for system logging.


        • Fedora 18 Beta, and final, delayed
          The Fedora Project have pushed back the Fedora 18 Beta by a week, which will carry over to the release date of the RC and Final version






    • Debian Family



      • Derivatives



        • Canonical/Ubuntu

          • Mark Shuttleworth Notes Availability of Ubuntu 12.10 with OpenStack "Folsom"
            As is true of Cisco, RedHat, Rackspace and many other companies, Canonical has been steadily marrying its cloud strategy to the open source OpenStack platform. In February of last year, we discussed how Canonical was deepening its relationship with OpenStack, and it has kept doing so. Recently, Canonical released the Cloud Archive for Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Server, an online software repository from which administrators can download the latest versions of OpenStack, for use with the latest long-term support (LTS) release of Ubuntu. And now, at this week's OpenStack Summit, Canonical founder Mark Shuttleworth announced the arrival of Ubuntu 12.10 with Folsom--the latest version of OpenStack.


          • In Massachusetts, Even the "People's Pledge" Can't Keep Out the Outside Money
            Unity is expanding everyday with its new sets of lenses. These lenses allow you to do everything and anything. One of the latest lenses in entertainment category is the Unity movie lens.


          • Ubuntu Linux 12.10 review: Better, but slower
            On October 18th, Ubuntu 12.10, the latest and greatest version of this popular Linux distribution arrives. On the eve of its arrival, it's looking pretty good, but it's far from flawless.


          • Benchmarking The Ubuntu "Low-Jitter" Linux Kernel
            There's an independently maintained "low-jitter" version of the Linux kernel targeting Ubuntu, which claims to be faster, but is that really the case?

            In response to the recent Linux 3.7 + Mesa 9.1-devel Running On Ubuntu 12.10 article, a Phoronix reader was quick to promote his specially-configured kernel for Ubuntu.


          • Ubuntu TV Still Being Ported To Unity 3D
            With Unity 2D having been dropped from Ubuntu 12.10, another consequence of this controversial decision is that the Ubuntu TV work must be ported to Unity (3D).

            The early Ubuntu TV work was using Unity 2D as the basis for its interface, but now it must be ported to the standard Unity code-base with Compiz. While hopefully the performance won't be too bad for Unity on Ubuntu TV, it's a large undertaking.


          • Ubuntu 12.10 “Quantal Quetzal” takes flight with a bag full of Juju


          • Canonical Ubuntu 12.10 brings the Internet closer to the desktop
            Canonical has released both the server and desktop editions of 12.10 Ubuntu, which offers a glimpse of how this Linux distribution will evolve in the next few years.


          • Slideshow: Say hello to Ubuntu 12.10 Linux


          • Ubuntu 13.04 a.k.a. Raring Ringtail
            Mark Shuttleworth, father of the popular Ubuntu operating system, proudly announced a few minutes ago, October 17th, the name and the goals for the next version of Ubuntu OS.


          • Download Ubuntu 12.10 Manual Now
            The Ubuntu Manual team is proud to announce a new edition of the comprehensive Ubuntu Manual, this time for the Ubuntu 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) operating system.

            Just in time for the Ubuntu 12.10 release on October 18th, the Ubuntu Manual is now ready and available for download right now, right here (see the download link at the end of the article).


          • Ubuntu 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) review
            Ubuntu 12.10 contains more controversial changes than expected. If you can live with or work around those changes, it remains a powerful and useful desktop Linux operating system.


          • Ubuntu 12.10 'Quantal Quetzal' released


          • Ubuntu 13.04 will be called Raring Ringtail, emphasize mobile and battery life
            After running with other alliterative codenames such as Oneiric Ocelot, Precise Pangolin and Quantal Quetzal, Canonical has announced the latest in its line of fauna-inspired Ubuntu releases -- Raring Ringtail. With version 13.04 CEO Mark Shuttleworth plans to start seriously laying the groundwork for phone, tablet and TV interfaces, which he hopes to have in place for the next LTS release in April of 2014 (14.04).


          • Ubuntu Linux search fix leaves prime critic unsatisfied
            In releasing updates to its client and server Ubuntu Linux distributions today, Canonical will enable users to turn off a search option in its client product that has raised some eyebrows over privacy issues. A whistleblower, however, remains unimpressed with Canonical's handling of the situation.


          • Canonical releases web interface for Juju
            Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth has introduced a new web interface for the company's software deployment tool Juju at the OpenStack Developer Summit in San Diego. In a blog post, Ubuntu Cloud Community Liaison Jorge Castro has pointed to a test installation of the tool, which can be used to get a feel for the new interface.


          • Flavours and Variants

            • Kubuntu 12.10 is Released
              The Kubuntu community is proud to announce the release of 12.10, the Quantal Quetzal. This is the first release to burst free from the limits of CD sizes giving us some more space for goodies on the image.












  • Devices/Embedded

    • Calxeda sees the future in 32-bit ARM


    • Phones

      • Open webOS arrives on LiveCD
        Enthusiasm for HP’s (Palm) webOS remains quite high, even if the industry heavyweight is no longer actively promoting the open source OS.


      • Android

        • Waffle 1.1 Gets EGL + GBM, Android Toppings
          Chad Versace of Intel released Waffle 1.1.0 on Monday, which is a cross-platform library for deferring selection of the OpenGL API and windowing system until run-time. Waffle makes it easy to switch between X11 with GLX or EGL, Wayland with OpenGL ES 2.0, and other windowing / GL API options.


        • How to improve your Android security


        • Acer prices 7-inch Iconia Tab A110 at $230


        • Five Android apps that fix something about Android
          Google is to be credited for improving its Android operating system by leaps and bounds over the past four years. You know who also deserves loads of credit? Independent developers who care a lot about their phone experience, and yours, too. They’ve quietly filled in missing features and fixed annoyances in Android while nobody was looking—but now’s the time to look at what their fixes can do for you.


        • The Jelly Bean Desktop
          One of the best things about Android Jelly Bean is how clean the interface is. It's polished, it's pretty, and it looks good on phones and tablets. Flickr user Knight Hawk2 wanted that same experience on his desktop, and now you can have the same look and feel on your desktop too.


        • Android Sneaks Into Cable Boxes
          In recent months, we've seen a surge of Android media players ranging from basic, sub-$100 mini-PCs and HDMI sticks from China to a smaller number of more advanced, primarily Google TV devices. Building upon a foundation established by Google TV, Apple TV, media-savvy game consoles such as Microsoft's Xbox, as well as numerous Linux-based players like Roku, the media players let users stream and download video and other multimedia from the Internet for playback on TV. Some offer built-in support for online video services such as Netflix, while most simply project Android onto a TV screen, letting users browse the web, run apps and sign up for services via specialized remotes.






    • Sub-notebooks/Tablets

      • Asus Deploys New Ubuntu Netbooks (Yes, Netbooks)
        Microsoft (NASDAQ: MSFT) is on the verge of releasing a major new operating system. Uncertain what prospects the new platform holds for them, hardware vendors are exhibiting renewed interest in shipping alternative operating systems, such as Linux, on their machines. Is it early 2007 again? Not quite, but it kind of seems that way in light of Asus’s introduction of a new Ubuntu netbook. Here’s the scoop.


      • Google set to launch $99 Nexus tablet this quarter, report says
        The company's slate will come with a single-core processor, but won't be developed with help from Asus, according to Digitimes.








Free Software/Open Source



Leftovers



  • Security



    • Computer Viruses Are "Rampant" on Medical Devices in Hospitals


    • A note to the Joint Committee regarding retrospective traffic decryption
      Questioning in the closed sessions has suggested a scenario under which a network CSP (i.e. ISP, such as BT) would be requested to store encrypted data-streams between their customers and third-party CSPs (such as Google). The implication that, under RIPA or equivalent, third-party CSPs would be requested to retrospectively decrypt this captured data.


    • Cloud security: A closer look at FedRAMP
      Security concerns typically provide the chief source of rain for the cloud parade, as worries about data leakage and other cyber maladies have caused federal IT managers to think twice about cloud computing. Indeed, more than 50 percent of respondents to an 1105 Government Information Group survey declared that cloud solutions lack sufficient security.

      The government is looking for ways to assuage that anxiety and spark cloud adoption because federal data center consolidation efforts — not to mention the Obama administration’s cloud-first policy — rely on the technology. Therefore, the Federal Risk and Authorization Management Program (FedRAMP) brings together officials from the General Services Administration, Department of Homeland Security and Defense Department, among others, to provide a standardized approach for determining the security of cloud-based services.


    • Report: Steam poses security risk
      Security firm ReVuln has analysed the browser protocol that Steam servers use to execute commands via users' browsers. During the analysis, the company's researchers discovered security issues that could potentially allow attackers to infect PCs with malicious code such as spyware.




  • PR/AstroTurf/Lobbying

    • In Massachusetts, Even the "People's Pledge" Can't Keep Out the Outside Money
      The U.S. Senate race in Massachusetts is currently among the closest in the country, with the most recent polls showing a razor-thin lead by Democratic challenger Elizabeth Warren, who hopes to unseat Republican incumbent Senator Scott Brown this November. The Massachusetts race is unique among national Senate races, as outside money is playing a significantly diminished role thanks to a pledge signed by both candidates that has helped keep outside spending on television, radio, and Internet ads in check.




  • Censorship



  • Internet/Net Neutrality

    • Say it ain’t so, ETNO: Dangerous proposal a threat to net neutrality
      When the world’s governments convene for the World Conference on International Telecommunications (WCIT), they will debate whether to expand the mandate of the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) to include aspects of internet policy. Specifically, WCIT delegates will approve changes to the International Telecommunication Regulations (ITRs), an international treaty traditionally concerned with telecommunications interoperability, and these negotiations have the potential to affect the internet’s openness and the exercise of human rights online.




  • Intellectual Monopolies



    • Copyrights

      • After five years, "dancing baby" YouTube takedown lawsuit nears a climax
        It's been five years since Stephanie Lenz, angry that a video of her son dancing to a Prince song was taken down from YouTube, reached out to the lawyers at the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Ultimately, Lenz worked with EFF lawyers to sue Universal Music, the company that initiated the takedown.

        Arguing against the takedown of a 29-second home video portraying a toddler dancing might have been a slam dunk from a PR perspective; legally speaking, it's been anything but. EFF was looking for a case that was so obviously an example of "fair use" that the content owner who initiated the takedown could actually be forced to pay damages, under a little-used section of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, section 512(f). But the bar is very high to get that type of relief. That became crystal clear at the most important hearing in the case thus far, held today in San Jose.








Recent Techrights' Posts

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Apple is just another greedy corporation in search of sweatshops and even pedophiles (especially the high-profile ones)
Counting Unhatched Eggs Is Not Counting Chickens
Everything here will persist as normal
The "Infinite Bread"
The biblical story of Jesus feeding the 5,000 has software parallels
In Many Cases and in Many Different Ways, Technology Became Less Durable and Less Reliable Over Time
The "modern" things are more complex. And complexity is a foe or reliability and repair-ability.
Microsoft's LinkedIn is Losing Money, Traffic, and Hope; Now It Wants to Sell Its Users' Lifeblood (and Data)
Let this be a reminder of what social control media really is about
Microsoft Lunduke: Freedom of Speech Means Spreading What I Have to Say and Banning People I Disagree With
4Chan is one he aims for and he is siccing 4Chan trolls at people he doesn't like
Richard Stallman Back at the "Rudolf-Diesel" Hörsal "MW 2001" in About 40 Hours
He spoke there before; there's a very high seating capacity there
 
Slopwatch: Google News Promoting Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt (FUD)
What is the value of Google News if so many results in it are fake 'articles?
Our Uptime This Year Was Better Than AWS (Also a Lot Cheaper)
We never used "the cloud"
Amazon Web Shenanigans
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Reprinted with permission from Daniel Pocock
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If the Web gets polluted or flooded by slopfarms such as these, and Slashdot then sends traffic so these slopfarms (Slashdot probably doesn't do this intentionally), then real writers with real knowledge of GNU/Linux will lose the spark for publishing
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They rank things based on the editor's choice/ideology (he or she knows the sponsors, hence the masters)
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We not only saw a rise in traffic, we also saw a remarkable rise in the number of articles
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Perhaps an opportunity for Dr. Stallman to rebut this "invention to patent" nonsense/fantasy (conflating monopolies with innovation)
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Those of us who actually want to reform the industry and put users in control of their systems/devices will recognise that "Open Source" was selling a lie or got-co-opted by liars
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This won't end well
Fake Numbers, Fake Claims, Fake Economy, and Media Grifters That Prop Up Fraud
Grifters like The Register MS won't be looked upon kindly after the bubble implodes
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They seem to have gone into some kind of lock-down mode
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A crashing franchise
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Reprinted with permission from Daniel Pocock
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there's nothing unreasonable about it
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Inane garbage disguised as "journalism"
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some weeks ago
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Disclosure is OK, but the practice of using slop is not
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Each year it gets worse
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We appreciate the honesty
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We're going to keep an eye on future posts of his
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What's Wrong With Liking Parrots or Birds as Pets?
They'd demonise people for speaking about freedom, no matter what they say or do
Digital Sanitation Good Practices
leave behind Microsoftism
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English translation
Science, Not Fast Food/Junk Food
The commercial exploitation of users won't stop until users exercise full control over their software or - more broadly - their computing (including data)
The Free Software Foundation, Which Has Appointed a 43-Year-Old President, is Looking to Add Another Board Member (or Treasurer)
expect the FSF to add more people
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That's probably late enough for EPO staff to attend after work
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