IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, July 08, 2021

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DaemonFC

I can see why other Microsoft execs were happy enough to keep paying Bill even as he showed up for maybe an hour a day and then went to crush pussy behind MALINDA's back.

DaemonFC

They were probably content with just having him not be there with them.

apologhttps://nitter.actionsack.com/jrbrtson/status/1412905529576407056#m

DaemonFC

This sort of corporate culter is "big and professional" and all the perverts are in open source according to Mr. Garrett.

Jul 08 00:09

DaemonFC

*culture

Jul 08 00:09

DaemonFC

Culter?

Jul 08 00:09

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psydruid

Cutler's culture

Jul 08 00:13

psydruid

made possible by cutlery

Jul 08 00:13

schestowitz

Jul 08 00:19

schestowitz

https://nitter.actionsack.com/jrbrtson/status/1412905529576407056#m

Jul 08 00:32

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.actionsack.com | James Robertson (@jrbrtson): "" | nitter

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Jul 08 00:42

techrights-news

Among 43 New Judgments From #ILOAT , Which ‘Oversees’ Dozens of Institutions, 25 (More Than 58%) Concern the EPO’s Staff http://techrights.org/2021/07/07/ilo-at-epo-caseload/ #ilo #epo #corruption #europe

Jul 08 00:44

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Among 43 New Judgments From ILO-AT, Which ‘Oversees’ Dozens of Institutions, 25 (More Than 58%) Concern the EPO’s Staff | Techrights

Jul 08 00:44

techrights-news

So-called #linuxfoundation does not know #gnu #linux OS actually started in 1983. https://linuxfoundation.org/press-release/the-linux-foundation-announces-30th-anniversary-of-linux-t-shirt-design-contest/

Jul 08 00:53

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfoundation.org | The Linux Foundation Announces 30th Anniversary of Linux T-Shirt Design Contest - Linux Foundation

Jul 08 00:53

DaemonFC

schestowitz, I'm actually fairly disturbed by the dehaminizing of the hiring process at more places.

DaemonFC

People shouldn't be punished for something forever.

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DaemonFC

I think that these companies should be sued by people for non-compliance with ban the box laws.

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DaemonFC

People need to be considered on a case by case basis, which is impossible without a person in charge of hiring.

Jul 08 00:56

techrights-news

#rustlang is being pushed into #linux not because it's good but because of monopolistic corporate #lobbying for a shotgun wedding. #mozilla is power play or proxy for Google. Overlapping interests with #microsoft #github (anti-GPL ploy).

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uncensored/fn

I agree with techrights-bot

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techrights-ipfs-bot

▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▂▄▅▃▂▆▅▆▃▃▆▃▅▅▃▄▃▁▂▂▅▂▃▃▄▅▃▁▂▄▃▃▁ avg(k/sec) 16.33 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▂▁▁▁▁▁▂▂▁▁▁▂▁▁▂▂▁▂▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▂▁█▁▁▁▁▁ avg(k/sec) 39.00▕ swarm size (avg): 301.17 ⟲

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techrights-news

#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153143 #Linux #TuxMachines

Jul 08 01:05

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines

Jul 08 01:05

techrights-news

Audiocasts/Shows: Noodlings, FLOSS Weekly, and Linux in the Ham Shack • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153144 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: Noodlings, FLOSS Weekly, and Linux in the Ham Shack | Tux Machines

techrights-news

#Openwashing and Revisionism by #LinuxFoundation • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153145 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Openwashing and Revisionism by Linux Foundation | Tux Machines

techrights-news

Today in #Techrights • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153146 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

Jul 08 01:08

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines

Jul 08 01:08

uncensored/fn

too much spam here

techrights-news

#F2FS Brings Compression Improvements To Linux 5.14 - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=F2FS-Linux-5.14 ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/08/#latest

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-F2FS Brings Compression Improvements To Linux 5.14 - Phoronix

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts

schestowitz

define spam

uncensored/fn

difficult to read....at least on kiwi irc

techrights-news

Google pauses Chrome OS update, breaks #GNU #Linux container ⚓ https://chromeunboxed.com/google-pauses-chrome-os-update-breaks-linux-container/ just delete #chromeOS and install something NOT remotely controlled by Pentagon Valley

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chromeunboxed.com | Google pauses Chrome OS update, breaks Linux container

uncensored/fn

conversation means interaction

schestowitz

we interaqct also

XRevan86

At least we're not using the freenode definition of spam :)

uncensored/fn

that is much better than many links unrelated to the conversation

schestowitz

sometimes there is calm and quiet, but news goes on

XRevan86

schestowitz: I actually don't remember if the Putin's chef in particular does.

uncensored/fn

good XRevan86

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uncensored/fn

schestowitz: news is what the media decide

Jul 08 01:13

uncensored/fn

so it depends on who is the media

Jul 08 01:14

techrights-news

boycott #clownflare ... those digital gangsters are used to force people to get a tracking device ('mobile' 'phone')... for fake 'security' like #2FA ... #clownflare is a threat to human rights. They ought not exist on the Web.

Jul 08 01:14

uncensored/fn

what we speak is better news

Jul 08 01:14

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uncensored/fn

I agree to boycott cloudflare

schestowitz

we can do both

schestowitz

I mean, news and chat

uncensored/fn

does kiwi irc on freenode use cloudflare?

schestowitz

the interactions help inspire articles, too

schestowitz

the freenode site uses clownflare

uncensored/fn

the bot can check the chat and post based on what is spoken

Jul 08 01:16

XRevan86

I think freenode can start eating babies and it will not affect anything at this point.

Jul 08 01:16

uncensored/fn

how about libera? do they use cloudflare?

techrights-news

We’ve lost track of all the times #Microsoft got caught red-handed with #GPLviolations (this has gone on for well over a decade) • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/07/07/yet-another-but-very-colossal-gpl-violation-by-microsoft/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU # #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/07/yet-another-but-very-colossal-gpl-violation-by-microsoft/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Yet Another (But Very Colossal) GPL Violation by Microsoft | Techrights

XRevan86

uncensored: yes

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XRevan86

Libera and freenode both have webchat behind Cloudflare.

techrights-news

The Staff Union of the #EPO ( #SUEPO ) shows the chaotic effect of a truly dysfunctional and corrupt Office management; #ILO ’s Administrative Tribunal ( #ILOAT ) can barely keep up with the caseload • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/07/07/ilo-at-epo-caseload/ ䷉ #Techrights | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/07/ilo-at-epo-caseload/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Among 43 New Judgments From ILO-AT, Which ‘Oversees’ Dozens of Institutions, 25 (More Than 58%) Concern the EPO’s Staff | Techrights

uncensored/fn

is there a real user-respecting network?

schestowitz

define user-respecting

schestowitz

people may think they need to gag people to respect others

schestowitz

CoC is one example

uncensored/fn

is xmpp the only user-respecting network?

schestowitz

is it a network?

uncensored/fn

CoC is imposition, not respect

schestowitz

you can self-host IRC as we do

schestowitz

we use irc.techrights.org

uncensored/fn

it is a protocol to build a network

XRevan86

it's a federated network, so in a sense

uncensored/fn

true

schestowitz

cisco

uncensored/fn

just like irc

XRevan86

The MUCs aren't all that federated though in XMPP.

uncensored/fn

what does cisco have to do?

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https://arstechnica.com/?p=1778734

XRevan86

Cisco Jabber maybe? No one cares about that though.

Jul 08 01:22

uncensored/fn

Jul 08 01:22

uncensored/fn

What I mean by respect is not forcing anyone a certain behaviour

Jul 08 01:22

XRevan86

uncensored: Well, the Cloudflare thing is not all that important, as the official webchat is not all that important.

Jul 08 01:23

XRevan86

the actual IRC connections are made with direct TCP/TLS

Jul 08 01:24

uncensored/fn

I believe official tools should be user-respecting (no cloudflare or any other user abuse)

Jul 08 01:25

XRevan86

uncensored: I can see your point, but, at the same time, it's just too easy to use a different tool.

Jul 08 01:29

uncensored/fn

XRevan86 not for all users. For example, I cannot enter freenode from my client only from kiwi irc if I am not registered

Jul 08 01:32

uncensored/fn

XRevan86 not for all users. For example, I cannot enter freenode from my client. Only from kiwi irc if I am not registered

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techrights-news

[Meme] $ProprietarySoftware Helps You Violate the #GPL • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/07/07/gpl-violations-hub/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/07/gpl-violations-hub/

Jul 08 01:46

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Proprietary Software Helps You Violate the GPL | Techrights

Jul 08 01:46

techrights-news

People everywhere need to quit helping digital mobsters who call reciprocal #sharing of code (GPL) "CANCER" and call hobbyists (i.e. not corporations, monopolies) "pirates". The sooner, the better. #deletegithub

Jul 08 01:50

uncensored/fn

what is SFC?

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uncensored/fn

oh! conservancy: the hideous bradley

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uncensored/fn

kuhn

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techrights-ipfs-bot

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XRevan86

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Microsoft’s emergency patch fails to fix critical “PrintNightmare” vulnerability | Ars Technica

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techrights-news

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, July 07, 2021

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, July 07, 2021

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, July 07, 2021

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, July 07, 2021

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techrights-bot/fn

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techrights-ipfs-bot

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techrights-ipfs-bot

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activelow

https://www.politico.eu/article/european-parliament-platforms-child-sexual-abuse-reporting-law/

Jul 08 05:32

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.politico.eu | EU Parliament lets companies look for child abuse on their platforms, with reservations – POLITICO

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activelow

^ a majority of cases involve the close social surrounding of family, sports clubs and school where policy implemented first could effectively protect children, regardless of any online mass surveillance at all

Jul 08 05:35

activelow

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/10/orders-top-eus-timetable-dismantling-end-end-encryption

Jul 08 05:35

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Orders from the Top: The EU’s Timetable for Dismantling End-to-End Encryption | Electronic Frontier Foundation

Jul 08 05:35

activelow

my interpretation of the events: most online social control media already do operate in severe violation of constitutional rights (protection of privacy, secrecy of post and telecommunications)

Jul 08 05:37

activelow

certainly the recent proposals of EU will "legalize" unconstitutional operation of social control media, and mass surveillance won't prevent crime or protect children either

Jul 08 05:39

kingoffrance

quote: While conceding that “the weakening of encryption by any means (including backdoors) is not a desirable option”, the Presidency’s note also positively quoted an EU Counter-Terrorism Coordinator (CTC) paper from May (obtained and made available by German digital rights news site NetzPolitik.org), which calls for what it calls a “front-door”

Jul 08 05:39

kingoffrance

well that sounds like us, its just word games. its not a backdoor, its a front door

kingoffrance

*u.s.

kingoffrance

“legal framework that would allow lawful access to encrypted data for law enforcement without dictating technical solutions for providers and technology companies”.

kingoffrance

what does that mean? buggy hardware?

kingoffrance

"without dictating technical solutions"

Jul 08 05:41

kingoffrance

seems to claim to do the impossible

Jul 08 05:41

kingoffrance

dictate a frontdoor without dictating it

Jul 08 05:41

activelow

if government intended to protect children and youth then policies had to be implemented in the social surrounding of children: schools, sports clubs, relatives, youth welfare offices, social workers

Jul 08 05:42

hgc

think id rather just have the terrorism

Jul 08 05:42

activelow

reminder: mass surveillance didn't prevent terrorism often either, many perpetrators were known to police even before these took action

Jul 08 05:43

kingoffrance

i discovered the term "chesterton's fence" the other day https://fs.blog/2020/03/chestertons-fence/

Jul 08 05:44

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fs.blog | Chesterton’s Fence: A Lesson in Second Order Thinking

Jul 08 05:44

kingoffrance

besides implying there might be "unintended consequences" i would stretch a bit and say: if they have to come up with word games like "front door" rejecting it on those grounds is sufficient IMO

Jul 08 05:45

kingoffrance

i would say there is a bit of a parallel

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activelow

furthermore technical equipment is equipped with dozens of surveillance bugs already

Jul 08 05:46

kingoffrance

quote : Learn how it works, and then propose your change.

Jul 08 05:47

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▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▅▆▃▆▆▄▅▃▄▄▄▂▃▆▄▅▃▄▃▃▂▆▁▂▁▂▆▅▅▃▅▁▂▆▅▁ avg(k/sec) 18.68 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▂▁▂▂█▂▁▂▁▁▁▂▂▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▂▁▁▂▁▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 31.56▕ swarm size (avg): 300.51 ⟲

Jul 08 06:02

activelow

"With most .. abuse done through encrypted communications on apps like WhatsApp and Telegram" -> FAKE NEWS. most abuse occurs in close social surrounding, not on whatsapp or facebook.

Jul 08 06:04

activelow

to legalize unconstitutional social control media mass surveillance "537 MEPs voted in favor of the bill, with 133 against and 24 abstaining"

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▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▃▄▄▆▂▃▅▂▆▃▆▅▄▃▃▁▁▂▄▄▁▂▄▅▄▃▄▃▄▄▅▃▄▆▅▅▁ avg(k/sec) 17.88 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▁▂█▁▁▂▃▁▂▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁ avg(k/sec) 40.13▕ swarm size (avg): 300.42 ⟲

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techrights-news

#Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, July 07, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext

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#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing

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▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▄▅▃▄▃▅▅▃▃▄▅▃▃▄▃▁▂▃▂▃▄▃▆▃▄▃▄▃▂▅▃▃▁▄▅▁ avg(k/sec) 15.86 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂▁▁▂▁▁▂▂▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▂▂▁█▁▁▁ avg(k/sec) 31.00▕ swarm size (avg): 300.31 ⟲

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techrights-news

#ACPI CPPC CPUFreq Will Try Frequency Invariance Again For Linux 5.14 - Phoronix ⚓ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ACPI-CPPC-Freq-Invariance-5.14 ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/08/#latest

Jul 08 08:05

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ACPI CPPC CPUFreq Will Try Frequency Invariance Again For Linux 5.14 - Phoronix

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts

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techrights-news

#MyGNUHealth 1.0.1 is out! http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=10022 #gnu #freesw

Jul 08 08:14

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | GNU Health - News: MyGNUHealth 1.0.1 is out! [Savannah]

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techrights-news

Outsourcing to #google = surrender https://iranzo.io/blog/2021/07/07/imapfilter-for-gmail/ #surveillance #clownComputing #Espionage

Jul 08 08:16

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iranzo.io | imapfilter for Gmail · Pablo Iranzo Gómez's blog

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techrights-news

Become unpaid #kernel tester for #ibm https://fedoramagazine.org/contribute-to-fedora-linux-kernel-5-13-test-week/ #linux

Jul 08 08:18

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | Contribute to Fedora Linux Kernel 5.13 Test Week - Fedora Magazine

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techrights-news

#ArcoLinux 21.07.3 has been released. https://arcolinux.com/ #gnu #linux

Jul 08 08:20

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ArcoLinux | ArcoLinux

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techrights-news

#ProprietarySoftware Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153147 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

Jul 08 08:21

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines

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techrights-news

𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 #IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, July 07, 2021 • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/07/08/irc-log-070721/ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/08/irc-log-070721/

Jul 08 08:22

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, July 07, 2021 | Techrights

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techrights-news

Some 5.13 development statistics https://lwn.net/Articles/860989/ #kernel #linux

Jul 08 08:24

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Some 5.13 development statistics [LWN.net]

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'Dumb' is better a lot of the time https://lwn.net/Articles/861235/

Jul 08 08:29

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An unpleasant surprise for My Book Live owners [LWN.net]

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techrights-news

#google funded #mozilla does not do "public good" https://lwn.net/Articles/861379/

Jul 08 08:30

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mozilla Rally: trading privacy for the "public good" [LWN.net]

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techrights-news

Mozilla: "Tell you what: You can now make our browser give your data to _other_ actors who won't abuse or lose your data, pinky promise!" https://lwn.net/Articles/861379/

Jul 08 08:32

techrights-news

#mozilla CANNOT be trusted http://techrights.org/2021/07/07/mozilla-data-stewardship-slant/

Jul 08 08:34

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla Does Not Respect Your Privacy | Techrights

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techrights-news

#ProprietarySoftware https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/microsofts-emergency-patch-fails-to-fix-critical-printnightmare-vulnerability/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Microsoft’s emergency patch fails to fix critical “PrintNightmare” vulnerability | Ars Technica

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techrights-news

#BSDNow 410: #OpenBSD Consumer Gateway https://www.bsdnow.tv/410 #unix #bsd

Jul 08 08:38

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bsdnow.tv | BSD Now 410: OpenBSD Consumer Gateway

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techrights-news

#Kernel: LWN Articles, New in Linux, Fedora Tests Latest, and Google Breaks ’Linux’ • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153148 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

Jul 08 08:39

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: LWN Articles, New in Linux, Fedora Tests Latest, and Google Breaks 'Linux' | Tux Machines

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techrights-news

Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153149 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

Jul 08 08:42

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines

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techrights-news

Design and Web team summary – 2 July 2021 https://ubuntu.com//blog/design-and-web-team-summary-2-july-2021 #ubuntu #gnu #linux

Jul 08 08:45

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Design and Web team summary – 2 July 2021 | Ubuntu

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techrights-news

#ibm : STOP SAYING "SLAVE"!!!! Also IBM: say SERVANT https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/7/servant-leadership-5-elements

Jul 08 08:46

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | 5 elements of servant leadership | The Enterprisers Project

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techrights-news

● NEWS ● #uniToronto #kernel #linux ☞ The initramfs for old kernels can hide old versions of things https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/InitramfsHidesOldThings

Jul 08 08:54

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-utcc.utoronto.ca | Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/InitramfsHidesOldThings

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techrights-news

#Telecom Watchdog asks DoT to stop #OneWeb , #Starlink and Amazon from getting free 5G spectrum through backdoor https://telecom.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/telecom-watchdog-asks-dot-to-stop-oneweb-starlink-and-amazon-from-getting-free-5g-spectrum-through-backdoor/84170374

Jul 08 08:56

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-telecom.economictimes.indiatimes.com | OneWeb: Telecom Watchdog asks DoT to stop OneWeb, Starlink and Amazon from getting free 5G spectrum through backdoor, Telecom News, ET Telecom

Jul 08 08:56

techrights-news

● NEWS ● #DataSwamp ☞ Track changes in /etc with etckeeper https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2021-07-06-etckeeper.html

Jul 08 08:57

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dataswamp.org | Solene'% : Track changes in /etc with etckeeper

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techrights-news

● NEWS ● #Games ☞ Indonesia Minister calls for Fortnite ban over user-generated content https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2021-07-07-indonesia-minister-calls-for-fortnite-ban-over-user-generated-content

Jul 08 08:58

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Indonesia Minister calls for Fortnite ban over user-generated content | GamesIndustry.biz

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techrights-news

"breakout rooms in a BigBlueButton virtual classroom can be used to split groups and help online students engage in effective discussion." https://www.timeshighereducation.com/campus/turning-new-page-information-literacy-goes-online

Jul 08 09:00

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timeshighereducation.com | Turning a new page: information literacy goes online | THE Campus Learn, Share, Connect

Jul 08 09:00

techrights-news

● [Old] ● #USAF ☞ #myLearning digital platform expands courseware; announces new features https://www.amc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2660167/mylearning-digital-platform-expands-courseware-announces-new-features/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amc.af.mil | myLearning digital platform expands courseware; announces new features > Air Mobility Command > Article Display

techrights-news

● NEWS ● #BigBlueButton ☞ Connecting with Students in the Virtual Classroom https://bigbluebutton.org/2021/07/05/connecting-with-students-in-the-virtual-classroom/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bigbluebutton.org | Connecting with Students in the Virtual Classroom - BigBlueButton - Open Source Web Conferencing

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▕ IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▅▅▂▃▃▄▅▅▄▅▃▂▃▃▄▄▆▇▄▃▄▂▃▃▃▄▃▅▂▄▃▄▁▁ avg(k/sec) 17.38 ▕ IPFS upstream: ▁▂█▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▂▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▁▂▁█▁ avg(k/sec) 24.53▕ swarm size (avg): 300.14 ⟲

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techrights-news

#Server and #Security Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153150 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Server and Security Leftovers | Tux Machines

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techrights-news

● NEWS ● #Gfinity #Science #china #cn ☞ China’s Zuchongzhi Quantum Computer is the most powerful in the world https://stealthoptional.com/news/chinas-zuchongzhi-quantum-computer-is-the-most-powerful-in-the-world/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stealthoptional.com | China's Zuchongzhi Quantum Computer is the most powerful in the world

techrights-news

● NEWS ● #Samsung #Hardware ☞ Samsung Electronics Adopts International Open Source Standard https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-electronics-adopts-international-open-source-standard

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.samsung.com | Samsung Electronics Adopts International Open Source Standard – Samsung Global Newsroom

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● NEWS ● #9to5Mac #Hardware ☞ Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak stands up for right-to-repair, argues company built on open source https://9to5mac.com/2021/07/07/apple-co-founder-steve-wozniak-stands-up-for-right-to-repair-argues-company-built-on-open-source/

Jul 08 09:04

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak stands up for right-to-repair, argues company built on open source - 9to5Mac

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techrights-news

● NEWS ● #DontExtraditeAssange #assange #wikileaks #uk ☞ High Court gives US government limited permission to appeal January decision that Assange should not be extradited https://dontextraditeassange.com/press-clip/high-court-gives-us-government-limited-permission-to-appeal-january-decision-that-assange-should-not-be-extradited/

Jul 08 09:05

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dontextraditeassange.com | High Court gives US government limited permission to appeal January decision that Assange should not be extradited - Don't Extradite Assange

Jul 08 09:05

techrights-news

● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #assange #wikileaks ☞ #UK High Court Grants US Permission for Appeal in Assange Extradition Case https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/07/07/uk-high-court-grants-us-permission-appeal-assange-extradition-case

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | UK High Court Grants US Permission for Appeal in Assange Extradition Case | Common Dreams News

techrights-news

"When the Trump administration indicted WikiLeaks publisher Julian Assange under the infamous 1917 Espionage Act, journalists and other public figures sounded the alarms" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/07/07/trump-started-war-journalism-bidens-justice-department-has-yet-end-it

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Trump Started a War on Journalism. Biden's Justice Department Has Yet to End It | Mark Weisbrot

techrights-news

● NEWS ● #Shadowproof #wikileaks #assange ☞ Assange Extradition: British High Court Grants US A Limited Appeal https://shadowproof.com/2021/07/07/assange-extradition-high-court-us-limited-appeal/

Jul 08 09:07

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-shadowproof.com | Assange Extradition: High Court Grants US A Limited Appeal

Jul 08 09:07

techrights-news

● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ Movie Companies Want U.S. Internet Provider 'Frontier' to Block Pirate Sites https://torrentfreak.com/movie-companies-want-u-s-internet-provider-frontier-to-block-pirate-sites-210707/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Movie Companies Want U.S. Internet Provider 'Frontier' to Block Pirate Sites * TorrentFreak

techrights-news

● NEWS ● #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights ☞ Hollyood & #Netflix Sue Repeat Pirate #IPTV Operator For Massive Copyright Infringement https://torrentfreak.com/hollyood-netflix-sue-repeat-pirate-iptv-operator-for-massive-copyright-infringement-210707/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hollyood & Netflix Sue Repeat Pirate IPTV Operator For Massive Copyright Infringement * TorrentFreak

techrights-news

● NEWS ● #CounterPunch #assange #wikileaks ☞ Thordarson’s Fabrications: Another Hole in the Julian Assange Prosecution https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/07/07/thordarsons-fabrications-another-hole-in-the-julian-assange-prosecution/

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techrights-news

● NEWS ● #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux ☞ HIIT Pi makes Raspberry Pi your home workout buddy https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/hiit-pi-makes-raspberry-pi-your-home-workout-buddy/

Jul 08 09:10

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | HIIT Pi makes Raspberry Pi your home workout buddy - Raspberry Pi

Jul 08 09:10

techrights-news

● NEWS ● #SanFanciscoChronicle #wikileaks ☞ When it comes to whistle-blowers like Julian #Assange, Biden's actions look a lot like Trump's https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Biden-doesn-t-look-so-different-from-other-16296772.php

Jul 08 09:12

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sfchronicle.com | When it comes to whistle-blowers like Julian Assange, Biden's actions look a lot like Trump's

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● NEWS ● #Tor ☞ New Release: #TorBrowser 10.5.1 (Android Only) https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-1051

Jul 08 09:15

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.torproject.org | New Release: Tor Browser 10.5.1 (Android Only) | Tor Blog

Jul 08 09:15

techrights-news

● NEWS ● #EFF #Privacy ☞ Improving Enforcement in State Consumer Privacy Laws https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/07/improving-enforcement-state-consumer-privacy-laws

Jul 08 09:16

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Improving Enforcement in State Consumer Privacy Laws | Electronic Frontier Foundation

Jul 08 09:16

techrights-news

EFF works for rich people like Mark Cuban and others https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-gets-300000-boost-craig-newmark-philanthropies-protect-journalists-and-fight

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | EFF Gets $300,000 Boost from Craig Newmark Philanthropies to Protect Journalists and Fight Consumer Spyware | Electronic Frontier Foundation

techrights-news

● NEWS ● #TheHill #Monopolies ☞ 36 states, DC sue Google, alleging antitrust violations in app store https://thehill.com/policy/technology/561961-36-states-dc-sue-google-over-antitrust-violations-in-app-store

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-36 states, DC sue Google, alleging antitrust violations in app store | TheHill

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techrights-news

● NEWS ● #SCMP #Censorship ☞ #Fortnite faces ban in #Indonesia after minister brands it blasphemous to Muslims https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3140205/fortnite-faces-ban-indonesia-after-minister-brands-it

Jul 08 09:19

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scmp.com | Fortnite faces ban in Indonesia after minister brands it blasphemous to Muslims | South China Morning Post

Jul 08 09:19

techrights-news

● NEWS ● #NBC #Misinformation #Disinformation ☞ YouTube's recommendations still push harmful videos, crowdsourced study finds https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/youtubes-recommendations-still-push-harmful-videos-crowdsourced-study-rcna1355

Jul 08 09:20

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | YouTube's recommendations still push harmful videos, crowdsourced study finds

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techrights-news

● NEWS ● #Quillette #Misinformation #Disinformation ☞ Looking for #COVID19 ‘Miracle Drugs’? We Already Have Them. They’re Called Vaccines https://quillette.com/2021/07/06/looking-for-covid-19-miracle-drugs-we-already-have-them-theyre-called-vaccines/

Jul 08 09:21

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Looking for COVID-19 ‘Miracle Drugs’? We Already Have Them. They’re Called Vaccines – Quillette

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leah

schestowitz: check PM

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● NEWS ● #BruceSchneier #ProprietarySoftware ☞ Insurance and Ransomware https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2021/07/insurance-and-ransomware.html

Jul 08 10:15

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Insurance and Ransomware - Schneier on Security

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#MMicrosoft #Windows TCO: ☞ Number of victims in major ransomware attack still unclear https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/number-of-victims-in-major-ransomware-attack-still-unclear/84195303

Jul 08 10:15

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Number of victims in major ransomware attack still unclear, IT News, ET CIO

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techrights-news

● NEWS ● #KrebsOnSecurity ☞ #Microsoft Issues Emergency Patch for #Windows Flaw https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/07/microsoft-issues-emergency-patch-for-windows-flaw/ insecure by design http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | Microsoft Issues Emergency Patch for Windows Flaw – Krebs on Security

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● NEWS ● #EDRI #Surveillance #Privacy ☞ New EDRi report reveals depths of biometric mass surveillance in Germany, the Netherlands and Poland https://edri.org/our-work/new-edri-report-reveals-depths-of-biometric-mass-surveillance-in-germany-the-netherlands-and-poland/

Jul 08 10:21

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edri.org | New EDRi report reveals depths of biometric mass surveillance in Germany, the Netherlands and Poland - European Digital Rights (EDRi)

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● NEWS ● #PatrickBreyer #Surveillance #Privacy ☞ CHATCONTROL: European Parliament Approves Mass Surveillance Of Private Communications https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/chatcontrol-european-parliament-approves-mass-surveillance-of-private-communications/

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patrick-breyer.de | Chatcontrol: European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communications – Patrick Breyer

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● NEWS ● #BBC #Politics ☞ #China divided as #WeChat deletes #LGBT accounts from platform https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-57759480

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | China divided as WeChat deletes LGBT accounts from platform - BBC News

techrights-news

● NEWS ● #Bloomberg #Politics ☞ #Wharton Grad Set to Take on Big Tech as New India Minister https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-08/wharton-grad-set-to-take-on-big-tech-as-new-india-minister

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

techrights-news

#audacity situation not good. https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/audacity-privacy-policy-is-a-privacy:7

Jul 08 10:53

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Audacity Privacy Policy Is A Privacy Nightmare!

Jul 08 10:53

schestowitz

"However, the most pressing challenge currently facing the

schestowitz

industry is ransomware. Although it is a societal problem, cyber

schestowitz

insurers have received considerable criticism for facilitating

schestowitz

ransom payments to cybercriminals. These add fuel to the fire

schestowitz

by incentivising cybercriminals’ engagement in ransomware

schestowitz

operations and enabling existing operators to invest in and

schestowitz

expand their capabilities. Growing losses from ransomware attacks

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schestowitz

have also emphasised that the current reality is not sustainable

schestowitz

for insurers either."

https://static.rusi.org/247-op-cyber-insurance-v2.pdf

schestowitz

techrights-news

#twitter censors for #billgates while taking money from Bill Gates http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/

Jul 08 10:59

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Reality is Warped When You Pay for ‘Perception Management’ (or: Bill Gates Pays Twitter for Propaganda) | Techrights

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techrights-news

● NEWS ● #Techdirt #Copyrights #Copyright ☞ After All That, #Nintendo Can't Even Get $50 A Month Out Of #RomUniverse https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210707/10163247125/after-all-that-nintendo-cant-even-get-50-month-out-romuniverse.shtml

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-After All That, Nintendo Can't Even Get $50 A Month Out Of RomUniverse | Techdirt

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● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ #FourthCircuit Appeals Court Says Right To Access Court Documents Begins When The Documents Are Filed https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210627/19032347073/fourth-circuit-appeals-court-says-right-to-access-court-documents-begins-when-documents-are-filed.shtml

Jul 08 11:16

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fourth Circuit Appeals Court Says Right To Access Court Documents Begins When The Documents Are Filed | Techdirt

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techrights-news

● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #Google ☞ 37 AGs Hit Google, 'Gatekeeper of Our Digital Devices,' With New #Antitrust Lawsuit https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/07/07/37-ags-hit-google-gatekeeper-our-digital-devices-new-antitrust-lawsuit but don't forget the worse one, #microsoft http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/

Jul 08 11:18

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 37 AGs Hit Google, 'Gatekeeper of Our Digital Devices,' With New Antitrust Lawsuit | Common Dreams News

Jul 08 11:18

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | Techrights

Jul 08 11:18

techrights-news

● NEWS ● #Techdirt # ☞ It Can Always Get Dumber: Trump Sues Facebook, Twitter & YouTube, Claiming His Own Government Violated The Constitution https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210707/09580147124/it-can-always-get-dumber-trump-sues-facebook-twitter-youtube-claiming-his-own-government-violated-constitution.shtml

Jul 08 11:20

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It Can Always Get Dumber: Trump Sues Facebook, Twitter & YouTube, Claiming His Own Government Violated The Constitution | Techdirt

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techrights-news

Even in #socialcontrolmedia -- not just the general media -- #billgates deplatforms his critics using bribes http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/ more examples in http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique

Jul 08 11:22

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights

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● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ #Biden Executive Order Will Try To Address Some #RightToRepair Harms https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210706/08084747119/biden-executive-order-will-try-to-address-some-right-to-repair-harms.shtml

Jul 08 11:23

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Biden Executive Order Will Try To Address Some 'Right To Repair' Harms | Techdirt

Jul 08 11:23

activelow

"we are sorry to inform you that your qualification does not match the position's clearly specified criteria" -> "java c# php web expert"

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activelow

had coded with Java EE spring framework several years, grade A in database lectures, studied or worked with oracle rdbms, ms sqlserver, and some of the other free ones, big project with NoSQL included

Jul 08 11:25

activelow

"does not match the position's criteria"

Jul 08 11:26

schestowitz

c# lol

activelow

seems to be one of the bigger suppliers in german industry: https://quanos-service-solutions.com/en/references/customers

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-quanos-service-solutions.com | Customer list of Quanos

schestowitz

no loss

schestowitz

I guess they run that on Windos

schestowitz

which means poor engineering standards

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● NEWS ● #CommonDreams ☞ Assassins of #Haiti President Jovenel Moïse Reportedly Posed as US Agents https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/07/07/assassins-haiti-president-jovenel-moise-reportedly-posed-us-agents http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/regime-change-in-haiti/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Assassins of Haiti President Jovenel Moïse Reportedly Posed as US Agents | Common Dreams News

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Chairman of the Board of Red Hat Explains He Was Introduced to GNU/Linux When It Helped His Regime Change in Haiti | Techrights

activelow

c# was designed and implemented by credible experts, and ms invested alot of cash into it

activelow

i lost interest in c# when i verified mono .net implementation on linux which didn't support at least .net 2.0 feature set and library (such as data sets which are bad design but practical nonetheless for some RAD style development)

Jul 08 11:34

schestowitz

mono is an attack on us

activelow

then little later ms decied to not support any later .net version on windows xp, which was the last tiem when i ever considered microsoft to do some professional work

techrights-news

Some criminals just bribe #twitter and #facebok to tolerate and even do #reputationlaundering for them http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/

http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Mono

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mono - Techrights

activelow

schestowitz: as i tried to explain i had approached .net only because i didn't know microsoft products (16 years ago), and was mostly neutral towards any vendor involved

Jul 08 11:36

activelow

i've had enought of .net more than a decade ago, and java wasn't alot better either, wouldn't want to touch spring framework or JEE egain

Jul 08 11:38

activelow

again

Jul 08 11:38

schestowitz

what works better for you?

Jul 08 11:39

activelow

i don't see any benefit of Java or C# over Perl any more

Jul 08 11:39

activelow

one of the most ridiculous projects was the implementation of some "email marketing" software for German Railway (DB Schenker), who insisted on some web gui html templating to send emails with

Jul 08 11:42

schestowitz

"email marketing"

Jul 08 11:43

schestowitz

I know a word for it

Jul 08 11:43

activelow

the development efforts of several years were insane, with bad results, which i could have accomplished with some templating and perl scripts in a few days or weeks

Jul 08 11:43

activelow

besides i wondered why noone in german railway IT departements remembered NNTP protocol anymore

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● NEWS ● #Techdirt ☞ #FBI Cites Guidelines That Don't Actually Forbid #SociaControlMedia Monitoring As The Reason It Was Blindsided By The January 6 Attack https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210703/17104647111/fbi-cites-guidelines-that-dont-actually-forbid-social-media-monitoring-as-reason-it-was-blindsided-january-6-attack.shtml

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FBI Cites Guidelines That Don't Actually Forbid Social Media Monitoring As The Reason It Was Blindsided By The January 6 Attack | Techdirt

techrights-news

I support privacy, but... I support free speech, but... I support the right to assemble, but...

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schestowitz

they need NTP

Jul 08 12:21

schestowitz

hard to see how rail systems would benefit from NNTP

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-s-world-only-his-speech-free-n1273297

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | In Trump's world, only his speech is free

gerikson

NNTP is obsolete

https://www.voanews.com/usa/us-politics/trump-sues-twitter-facebook-and-google-claiming-censorship

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | Trump Sues Twitter, Facebook and Google, Claiming Censorship | Voice of America - English

https://www.businesstoday.in/technology/news/story/donald-trump-sues-facebook-twitter-google-cites-unlawful-censorship-300746-2021-07-08

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businesstoday.in | Donald Trump sues Facebook, Twitter, Google; cites unlawful censorship - BusinessToday

https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/7/22566729/trump-lawsuit-facebook-twitter-google-social-media-censorship

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Donald Trump files sweeping, nonsensical lawsuits against Facebook, Twitter, and Google - The Verge

schestowitz

# underneath this clownshow of a distraction is another attack on § 230

gerikson

store-and-forward doesn't scale

gerikson

it's just a fund-raising exercise

Jul 08 12:23

gerikson

(1st comment about NNTP, 2nd about Trump lawsuit)

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activelow

schestowitz: DB schenker railway logistics wanted to coordinate some internal communicatiosn with eMails

Jul 08 12:32

activelow

and for this an internal newsgroups server setup can be helpful as it has been for decades before, instead of some useless web gui html templating email marketing software.

Jul 08 12:33

activelow

this emailing setup wasn't related to railway logistics itself either, but for corporate communications with 70k employees

Jul 08 12:37

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Jul 08 12:40

schestowitz

many use cases for email are bad

Jul 08 12:41

schestowitz

it was not made for mailing lists, either

Jul 08 12:41

schestowitz

that does not scale well

Jul 08 12:41

schestowitz

and sometimes only 1% of less of the recipients will even read/open

Jul 08 12:42

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activelow

i wasn't involved with internal corporate coordination of theirs, my salary was 1400Euro monthly and i didn't dare to intervene with any of their wisdom anyway

Jul 08 12:49

activelow

railway used x.25, hadn't seen it myself, which i am not aware if this still exists. some x.25 mailbox system had been a better choice than the html templating web email nonsense too

Jul 08 12:50

activelow

btw. since IBM was a hot topic and their emails: wasn't IBM lotus notes domino some product of theirs (including nntp support)?

Jul 08 12:51

activelow

last time i had seen this was 18years ago, T-Systems

Jul 08 12:52

activelow

what an irony even IBM itself nuked it's email infrastructure

Jul 08 12:52

activelow

hadn't received any news from deutsche telekom since 2005 either anymore, leave alone my salary since then

Jul 08 12:53

techrights-news

At the moment we algorithmically convert the #techrights wiki -- not just the articles -- into #geminiProtocol with the intention of having it pick up wiki updates as well (from HTTP). Big project, may be useful to other #MediaWiki users... #agplv3

Jul 08 12:57

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● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #Finance ☞ Top Economist Warns 15% Global Minimum Tax on Corporations Is 'Way Too Low' https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/07/07/top-economist-warns-15-global-minimum-tax-corporations-way-too-low

Jul 08 13:10

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Top Economist Warns 15% Global Minimum Tax on Corporations Is 'Way Too Low' | Common Dreams News

Jul 08 13:10

techrights-news

#GNU "Linux support is confirmed for the full game but not the demo." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/07/frogsong-is-an-upcoming-heartfelt-adventure-game-in-the-world-of-frogs

Jul 08 13:12

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Frogsong is an upcoming heartfelt adventure game in the world of Frogs | GamingOnLinux

Jul 08 13:12

techrights-news

"The Pedestrian running natively on Linux." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwC6R_HFFeQ #gnu #linux #games

Jul 08 13:14

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Pedestrian on Linux | Ubuntu 20.04 | Native - YouTube

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#ProprietarySoftware Chaos • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153151 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software Chaos | Tux Machines

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#Hardware Repairs and Freedom • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153152 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hardware Repairs and Freedom | Tux Machines

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#LinuxMint 20.2 “Uma” Officially Released, This Is What’s New • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153153 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 20.2 “Uma” Officially Released, This Is What’s New | Tux Machines

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#UbuntuTouch OTA-18 Is Coming July 14th with Performance Improvements, Various Changes • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153154 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-18 Is Coming July 14th with Performance Improvements, Various Changes | Tux Machines

techrights-news

#Games : Total War: WARHAMMER II - The Silence & The Fury, Warzone 2100, and More • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153155 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Total War: WARHAMMER II - The Silence & The Fury, Warzone 2100, and More | Tux Machines

techrights-news

Video: #ILOAT Caseload Shows That #AntónioCampinos Failed and Should be Sacked by the Administrative Council of the #EPO http://techrights.org/2021/07/08/iloat-caseload/ #corruption #europe

Jul 08 13:38

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Video: ILO-AT Caseload Shows That António Campinos Failed and Should be Sacked by the Administrative Council of the EPO | Techrights

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techrights-news

● NEWS ● #CommonDreams #patent #monopoly #monopolies ☞ The #G20 Must Act Immediately to Vaccinate the World https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/07/07/g20-must-act-immediately-vaccinate-world

Jul 08 13:40

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | The G20 Must Act Immediately to Vaccinate the World | Jeffrey D. Sachs

Jul 08 13:40

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#LinuxMint 20.2 "Uma" Released. This is What’s New • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153156 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

Jul 08 13:56

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 20.2 "Uma" Released. This is What's New | Tux Machines

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techrights-news

[Meme] Will EPO Comply? http://techrights.org/2021/07/08/epo-compliance/ #epo #europe #iloat #ilo #corruption

Jul 08 14:02

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Will EPO Comply? | Techrights

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● NEWS ● #CommonDreams ☞ #Trump Roundly Ridiculed for 'Bogus' Big Tech Lawsuit https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/07/07/trump-roundly-ridiculed-bogus-big-tech-lawsuit

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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Trump Roundly Ridiculed for 'Bogus' Big Tech Lawsuit | Common Dreams News

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techrights-news

#Linux 101: Demystifying the Linux directory structure • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153157 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 101: Demystifying the Linux directory structure | Tux Machines

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#vizex – visualize disk space and disk usage • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153158 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | vizex – visualize disk space and disk usage | Tux Machines

redstar/fn

I hate to say this, but fuck those tech companies, they deserve to be sued by millions not just a fucktard like trump

techrights-news

#ProtonVPN on Linux Review: An Open-Source VPN Service for Privacy Minded Users • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153159 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | ProtonVPN on Linux Review: An Open-Source VPN Service for Privacy Minded Users | Tux Machines

schestowitz

redstar: we can make those companies go away some other way

Jul 08 14:34

schestowitz

without attacking basic assumptions of the Internet

Jul 08 14:34

redstar/fn

yes

Jul 08 14:34

schestowitz

like site liabilities for users

redstar/fn

P2P

redstar/fn

I work on a fork of zeronet

redstar/fn

I going to publish it at https://github.com/peertopeernetwork very soon

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Peer-to-Peer Network · GitHub

redstar/fn

obviously it is not called zeronet, it is called Peer-to-Peer Network and started with python3 p2p.py :)

Jul 08 14:36

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redstar/fn

my fork is much better than zeronet itself, more secure, no disgusting Ui etc...

Jul 08 14:37

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Jul 08 14:37

redstar/fn

also I have fixed the .bit domain registry

Jul 08 14:38

schestowitz

all trump 'gets' is control, not free speech

Jul 08 14:38

schestowitz

he banned me in twitter

schestowitz

as president of the 'free world'

schestowitz

and he wanted the same from parle

schestowitz

that parler would muzzle his critics

redstar/fn

you can use Namecoin to register .bit domains and add similar values like this: https://www.namebrow.se/name/d/p2p/

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-namebrow.se - Namecoin Block Explorer

redstar/fn

{"p2p": {"": "19qhuvdMdGPpwAqEmWZyEmaxRGeSm9USA1"}}

schestowitz

BTW. you might want to NOT publish it in shitgub

schestowitz

shithub can do much harm

redstar/fn

I publish it on GNU.org too :)

http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github

schestowitz

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights

redstar/fn

I'm the user "hacker" from gnu.org

schestowitz

oh, I see

schestowitz

happy hacking then

schestowitz

github invites gpl violations

schestowitz

any time you feed that monster you help it

schestowitz

no matter what

schestowitz

same with youtube

redstar/fn

show me an alternative

schestowitz

there are many

schestowitz

look them up

schestowitz

sourcehut also does gemini://

schestowitz

which makes sense for p2p projects

redstar/fn

sourcehut sounds good

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Jul 08 14:43

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Simple explanation of this article from last night; it explains what #ILOAT is, what the EPO has become under Benoît Battistelli, and how it continues cruising along the trajectory to irrelevance under #AntónioCampinos • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/07/08/iloat-caseload/ ䷉ #Techrights | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/08/iloat-caseload/

Jul 08 14:45

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EPO management has lost a number of important cases at #ILOAT (regarding its attacks on over 1,000 members of staff and unlawful regulations); will it comply with the rulings? • тє¢няιﻭнтѕ ⚓ http://techrights.org/2021/07/08/epo-compliance/ ䷉ #Techrights | ♾ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/08/epo-compliance/

Jul 08 14:46

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Jul 08 15:02

redstar/fn

IPFS truly sucks

Jul 08 15:04

redstar/fn

I was the reason why CloudFlare banned videos on they gateway

Jul 08 15:04

redstar/fn

seriously

Jul 08 15:04

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gerikson

activelow: IBM purchased Lotus

gerikson

there's a great hacker story from the creator of CouchDB

schestowitz

sold it to India

schestowitz

in recent years

schestowitz

IBM is done

http://damienkatz.net/2005/01/formula-engine-rewrite.html

gerikson

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-damienkatz.net | Damien Katz: Formula Engine Rewrite

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#LinuxMint 20.2 Released With Cinnamon 5.0 Desktop http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153156#comment-30188

Jul 08 15:35

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Jul 08 15:53

activelow

not got some other "fun" to deal with: some reseller on amazon.de sending dubious invoices, then denying support, and now going after me with a lawyer

Jul 08 15:56

activelow

now

Jul 08 15:56

activelow

it is ridiculous, investing weeks of work, report bugs and fix them for 0Euros, and then am threatened by a lawyer

Jul 08 15:57

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Jul 08 16:07

activelow

what's interesting: IBM supposedly is involved with this too

Jul 08 16:09

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Jul 08 16:16

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#Today’s 🅣🅤🅧 🅜🅐🅒🅗🅘🅝🅔🅢 Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153163 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

Jul 08 16:16

activelow

at least, it is documented now how such business entities operate: ARM limited, Rockchip, IBM

activelow

schestowitz: do not have at least an invoice address to send my bills to

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#FreeSoftware Leftovers • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153162 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

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Jul 08 16:19

techrights-news

Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) - about an hour ago

Jul 08 16:19

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Winners of the #KDE and LMMS Plasma Mobile Sound Contest - #PlasmaMobile ⚓ https://www.plasma-mobile.org/2021/07/08/winners-of-kde-lmms-sound-contest/ ䷉ #plasma-mobile | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/08/#latest

Jul 08 16:20

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Jul 08 16:31

XRevan86

The video from BrodieRobertson is good. I don't really get the "not really GPL" wording. GPL is irrevocable.

Jul 08 16:33

XRevan86

I get his point that Audacity may just stop being GPL later, and that is a real possibility, but any GPL version before that is still going to be GPL.

Jul 08 16:33

activelow

authors' rights aren't revocable either

Jul 08 16:35

XRevan86

> that is what a corporate take-over normally looks like, the freenode situation, that is the exception

Jul 08 16:35

genius/fn

and all of the forks as well...

Jul 08 16:35

XRevan86

I wonder what he means by that. It is technically true though, freenode wasn't corporately taken over, it was a very personal endeavor.

genius/fn

the "authors" who released the software in GPL DON'T have more rights than you!

genius/fn

everyone is equal

XRevan86

genius: They do have one more right though.

genius/fn

genius/fn

they don't

activelow

not sure, an author of some work has some other rights then a non-author

activelow

than

XRevan86

genius: Which is that they can release the same code under different term, they are entitled to that.

XRevan86

* terms

genius/fn

just like you

activelow

with GPL in place all authors must consent and/or be compensated i think

XRevan86

genius: A non-user is required to follow copyleft.

genius/fn

lol

XRevan86

non-author

genius/fn

everyone is required to follow

XRevan86

Who needs baña when it's 32°C outside?

genius/fn

even the author

XRevan86

genius: No, if ye have exclusive rights to the code, ye can just ignore copyleft.

genius/fn

relicensing from GPL to any other license can be done if NO other person contributed or they give they consent, however, you can't force those people who forked you to do the same and so such a move effectively destroys your project

XRevan86

release it under MIT, patch it and don't share the code of the patch

genius/fn

MIT allows sublicensing!

XRevan86

genius: This is literally what I said.

genius/fn

but MIT is not international

genius/fn

neither GPLv2 is

genius/fn

only GPLv3 is international

XRevan86

genius: That's why I said that "copyleft" can be ignored by the author, because any free licence is irrevocable.

genius/fn

I see you like this discussion

Jul 08 16:43

genius/fn

i know very well what copyleft means

Jul 08 16:43

XRevan86

Not really, I'm sweating and thinking about how sometimes it's useful to have a conditioner.

Jul 08 16:43

genius/fn

maybe you wanna suck a 🍌

Jul 08 16:44

XRevan86

Bananas cannot be sucked.

Jul 08 16:45

XRevan86

I don't see your point with "international".

Jul 08 16:46

XRevan86

All I'm saying is that the author can freely relicense their code like its nothing.

Jul 08 16:46

XRevan86

the previously released as GPL code is not going to stop being GPL, but…

Jul 08 16:47

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Jul 08 16:47

XRevan86

a non-GPL derived work is entirely possible.

Jul 08 16:47

genius/fn

GPLv3 designed and written carefully to be in compliance with international law, gplv2 isn't nor MIT...

Jul 08 16:48

activelow

authors can decide on licensing terms themselves, which GPL imposes limitations upon and depends on the timeline of events when exactly which parts are supposed to be re-licensed

Jul 08 16:48

XRevan86

That changes what exactly in this discussion? We're talking about the basics.

Jul 08 16:48

activelow

if 10 authors all in total with not any indivudual missed developed GPL software and release it then everything which was released remains GPL

Jul 08 16:49

genius/fn

if someone re-licensing a GPL licensed work to Apache that person effectively dead, can't compete with GPL forks made before the re-licensing

Jul 08 16:50

activelow

nonetheless those authors without any other authore excluded can consent to license and sell their work as they desire, which doesn't revoke what was published with GPL

Jul 08 16:50

genius/fn

that is correct

Jul 08 16:50

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Jul 08 16:51

XRevan86

Now that everyone is on the same page, I'll point out why this was brought up: Audacity has a CLA now, and most developers have signed it.

Jul 08 16:52

genius/fn

nobody cares

Jul 08 16:52

XRevan86

Which means that if they rewrite the last non-CLA bits of code, the Muse Group will have Author exclusive rights to the code.

Jul 08 16:52

XRevan86

genius: Sure, nobody cares.

genius/fn

I seen that months before

techrights-news

Maxim Burgerhout: Fish, bash, zsh https://100things.wzzrd.com/2021/07/08/Fish-Bash.html

genius/fn

nothing new to me

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-100things.wzzrd.com | Fish, bash, zsh

XRevan86

O.K., genius.

Jul 08 16:54

genius/fn

seriously

Jul 08 16:54

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Jul 08 16:54

genius/fn

CLA by Audicity is equals to stupidity

Jul 08 16:55

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Jul 08 16:55

genius/fn

you can fork it and simply ignore the CLA

genius/fn

even you can register a patent under GPLv3, that CLA only applies for they version

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XRevan86

genius: Yes. The free software community is now trying to organise under a new fork.

XRevan86

But this isn't easy, when the existing developers actually fell in line.

genius/fn

nobody cares about they feeling

genius/fn

period

genius/fn

do what you have to do and all others can suck a big one

XRevan86

It's not about feelings, it's about people who know how to code.

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The ever-evolving IT job role: system administrator | Enable Sysadmin ⚓ https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/ever-evolving-role-sysadmin ䷉ #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux

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genius/fn

you fork the software and thann go to reddit hackernew etc and advertise your fork

genius/fn

is that hard?

activelow

the GPL can bite if the CLA missed anyone or some parts of the code accidentally. are those CLAs public and who joined and when?

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"Most of the non-WiFi functions are open-sourced and the analysis also found out the SDK uses source code from various projects including AliOS embedded framework for multitasking and device drivers" https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/07/08/reverse-engineering-the-sdk-for-bl602-risc-v-wifi-ble-microcontroller/

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XRevan86

genius: Now we wait if Tenacity can actually meaningfully work on the code.

XRevan86

and not just strip out the anti-features

activelow

and it isn't entirely clear since Audacity depends on ALSA how a clear separation of CLA relevant components can be defined

Jul 08 17:01

genius/fn

"Once you make a contribution, you are saying MUSECY SM LTD (an affiliate of MuseScore and Ultimate Guitar) can use that piece of code forever." from the CLA

Jul 08 17:01

genius/fn

MuseScore and Ultimate Guitar LOLOLOL

Jul 08 17:01

XRevan86

activelow: Um, what? It's source code text.

Jul 08 17:02

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Jul 08 17:02

activelow

it isn't clear what type of skeleton remained if audacity linked against libraries which are GPL too, what audacity intended to ship then

Jul 08 17:02

activelow

could depend on the license applied to libraries, and of a proprietary piece can link against them, LGPL iirc?

XRevan86

activelow: Also, ALSA is not a big thing here.

activelow

*if

XRevan86

Obviously, Audacity doesn't use ALSA on Windows.

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#GSoC 21 Projects mentored by #Collabora for #LibreOffice https://www.collaboraoffice.com/company-news/gsoc-21-projects-mentored-by-collabora-for-libreoffice/

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Jul 08 17:04

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#LinuxMint 20.2 Now Available to Download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153156#comment-30189

Jul 08 17:07

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Jul 08 17:07

activelow

btw. on aarch64 audacity and qjackctl both segfault currently, not sure yet why that is, didn't verify against amd64

Jul 08 17:07

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Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153165 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

Jul 08 17:12

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Jul 08 17:12

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#KDE /Qt: Plasma Mobile, Qt Creator 5.0 Beta, and KDE Floating Applets • 𝗧𝘂𝘅 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/153166 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines

Jul 08 17:14

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"With the 8 tier bundle you get (titles in bold text have #GNU #Linux native builds)" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/07/killer-bundle-18-from-fanatical-has-shadow-tactics-warhammer-gladius-and-more

Jul 08 17:16

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#Ubuntu Podcast from the UK LoCo: S14E18 – Timing Chefs Watch https://ubuntupodcast.org/2021/07/08/s14e18-timing-chefs-watch/ #gnu #linux

Jul 08 17:17

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntupodcast.org | S14E18 – Timing Chefs Watch | Ubuntu Podcast

Jul 08 17:17

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More lying from #mozilla -- pretending that it values #privacy https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/news/firefox-by-default-dns-over-https-rollout-in-canada/ see http://techrights.org/2021/07/07/mozilla-data-stewardship-slant/

Jul 08 17:23

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Firefox extends privacy and security of Canadian internet users with by-default DNS-over-HTTPS rollout in Canada

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Jul 08 17:23

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Is #mozilla just #lobbying for its master, #google . instead of #firefox users and #freesw proponents? https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2021/07/08/mozilla-publishes-policy-recommendations-for-eu-digital-markets-act/

Jul 08 17:24

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Mozilla publishes policy recommendations for EU Digital Markets Act - Open Policy & Advocacy

Jul 08 17:24

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#KDEneon 20210708 is out. https://neon.kde.org/ #kde #gnu #linux

Jul 08 17:25

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neon.kde.org | KDE neon

Jul 08 17:25

activelow

anyway, i am glad i can bring this to court now, at least once, how big business such as ARM, Silicon Valley, Rockchip, IBM and similar operate

Jul 08 17:26

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#IBM #RedHat is boosting charlatans and liars from #Gartner https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/read-about-red-hats-open-hybrid-cloud-portfolio-gartner-report bullies and fraudsters: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Read about Red Hat's Open Hybrid Cloud portfolio in this Gartner Report

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activelow

and whatever the judge will decide it will be testified with all the documents i have for evidence in this case, at least once

activelow

add to this amazon

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Now you know to avoid #redhat https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-still-red-hat approved by frauds: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Red Hat is still Red Hat

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#gartner = bribes and #fraud In this post, we'll take a look at the configuration and usage of capabilities built into Red Hat Enterprise Linux for Edge.

Jul 08 17:28

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#gartner = bribes and #fraud http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group

Jul 08 17:29

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#PopOS is a modern-day take on Ubuntu by System76 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152837#comment-30191

Jul 08 17:31

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pop!_OS Linux 21.04 Released with the COSMIC Desktop, Based on Ubuntu 21.04 | Tux Machines

Jul 08 17:31

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psydruid

what did Rockchip do?

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This shield combines the retro charm of Nixie tubes with modern Arduino Cloud connectivity | Arduino Blog ⚓ https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/07/08/this-shield-combines-the-retro-charm-of-nixie-clocks-with-modern-arduino-cloud-connectivity/ ䷉ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/07/08/#latest

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Jul 08 17:33

activelow

psydruid: complicated, it is several entities involved. my complaint against rockchip is this: they do not integrate into mainline and their default configuration causes hardware defects with sdcards overheating under circumstances for example.

Jul 08 17:39

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activelow

otherwise rockchip isn't the responsible entity and their offerings a decent. it is ARM limited and silicon valley as vendors about whom open questions remain.

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activelow

such as, where i could send my bills to, for example, for my testing and development work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hVjvKQ5CXY

activelow

yet intead i am being threatened by a lawyer now.

Jul 08 17:42

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Jul 08 17:48

activelow

besides, regardless of GPL i am not forced to publish anything at all for zero income. if none of my work is published to anyone under these circumstances then GPL is irelevant.

Jul 08 17:51

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Jul 08 17:54

activelow

so, if i had not available any invoice adress to send my bills to who then would be enforcing GPL, without an invoice adress in silicon valley or london or china or wherever?

Jul 08 17:55

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Jul 08 17:55

activelow

i mean if anyone wanted to challenge with GPL against me i welcome this 100%, since then i got an invoice address.

Jul 08 17:58

Snuupy

Jul 08 18:05

Snuupy

hype

Jul 08 18:05

activelow

and, thanks to the lawyer intervening against me now I will receive a statement from a German Court, regardless of what they decide.

Jul 08 18:07

activelow

the inquiry is legitimate, yet i am not the perpetrator to take legal action against. instead it is amazon, silicon valley, ARM limited, rockchip and who knows who else had to answer some questions, at a german court.

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Jul 08 18:21

DaemonFC

Well, I got the front end damage to the car fixed.

Jul 08 18:21

DaemonFC

It wasn't quite as bad as I thought it would be.

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Jul 08 18:31

AdmFubar

https://arstechnica.com/?p=1778628

Jul 08 18:56

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Biden’s right-to-repair order could stop companies from blocking DIY fixes | Ars Technica

Jul 08 18:56

AdmFubar

https://arstechnica.com/?p=1778751

Jul 08 18:57

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | OnePlus admits to throttling 300 popular apps with recent update | Ars Technica

Jul 08 18:57

AdmFubar

https://arstechnica.com/?p=1778400

Jul 08 18:59

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | “Broadcom is a monopolist”: FTC orders chipmaker to stop illegal tactics | Ars Technica

Jul 08 18:59

AdmFubar

https://arstechnica.com/?p=1778350

Jul 08 19:00

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | No, open source Audacity audio editor is not “spyware” | Ars Technica

Jul 08 19:00

AdmFubar

https://arstechnica.com/?p=1778475

Jul 08 19:01

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Pentagon kills Microsoft’s $10B JEDI cloud contract, says tech is now outdated | Ars Technica

Jul 08 19:01

AdmFubar

https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/07/08/interview_gene_hoffman/

Jul 08 19:04

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | In conversation with Gene Hoffman, co-creator of the internet's first ad blocker • The Register

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Jul 08 19:09

DaemonFC

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/05/amazon-worker-fired-app-dystopia

Jul 08 19:11

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Welcome to dystopia: getting fired from your job as an Amazon worker by an app | Jessa Crispin | The Guardian

Jul 08 19:11

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Jul 08 19:14

activelow

DaemonFC: what is the wage paid at amazon ?

Jul 08 19:17

DaemonFC

Like $15-16 an hour or so if you're in their warehouse.

Jul 08 19:18

DaemonFC

Big whoop.

Jul 08 19:18

DaemonFC

Mandy works at Walmart and at least nobody there has been fired by text message, yet.

Jul 08 19:18

DaemonFC

They've made this system where you have to call a 1-800 number to report an absence though and then use an app to cover it with personal hours to avoid being pointed.

Jul 08 19:19

DaemonFC

Careful observers who want to milk that system will notice that it takes 4.5 points in a rolling 6 month period to get fired, and so sometimes they would use personal hours and other times they would just take a point.

Jul 08 19:19

DaemonFC

That would allow you to call in more, although you don't get paid if you just take a point.

Jul 08 19:20

activelow

wouldn't want to work in a warehouse, nonetheless the wage isn't the worst i had known. talked to some Amazon (DHL logistics) employee in germany and salary wasn't that bad either, there is even worse employers than that. nonetheless i wouldn't want to do this type of work.

Jul 08 19:20

DaemonFC

There's a big difference between what's right and what's legal.

Jul 08 19:21

DaemonFC

The world doesn't reward doing what's right and it's spotty about punishing what is illegal.

Jul 08 19:22

DaemonFC

So a clever person learns to do what they can get away with instead.

Jul 08 19:22

activelow

as far as i am concerned with the legal offense against me now, with amazon involved too: it wasn't me who violated trade law, labor market laws, social security related laws, consumer protection and a whole bunch of other issues.

Jul 08 19:23

activelow

some silicon valley entity doesn't bother with establishing sypply chains with contracts and official traders/resellers. some development boards end up on amazon, not that cheap either.

Jul 08 19:24

activelow

then i invest weeks of work, to track bugs, report and fix those. noone is responsible for anything. amazon ideal seems to be to dump precious development hardware into the trash it seems, although i explicitely told everyone that I do want to keep the development board, that i do invest time and effort, and won't return them for disposal.

Jul 08 19:25

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Jul 08 19:25

activelow

then some reseller which isn't recognised by anyone offered some spare part for "testing purpose", which of cause didn't imply any contract with related labor market regulations applying?

Jul 08 19:27

activelow

in the meantime i could verify that the boards themselve didn't overheat, yet the casing didn't sufficiently cool down the sdcard installed inside the case. which was easily fixed by setting some temperature throttle to kick in and since then i didn't have a defective sdcard anymore in 8weeks while i had dispose dozens of them before.

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Jul 08 19:29

DaemonFC

I get a lot of Facebook spam about being paid to "test" products and then leave "reviews" on Amazon.

Jul 08 19:30

activelow

one of those amazon resellers now claims i didn't return one of those spare boards in time. yet i did ask him to provide a correct invoice since i didn't want to return the boards because then weeks of work had been futile. so i offered to pay for the spare parts in case at least an invoice for this was provided, which the reseller didn't.

Jul 08 19:30

DaemonFC

We're all being gaslighted so badly about what's any good or not that you can'y trust anything.

Jul 08 19:30

DaemonFC

*can't

Jul 08 19:31

DaemonFC

https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/og8s5d/openoffice_gang/

Jul 08 19:32

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | OpenOffice Gang : linuxmasterrace

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Jul 08 19:33

DaemonFC

Microsoft Office is so unintuitive that there are classes about how to use it so you can gain artificial employability skills.

Jul 08 19:33

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Jul 08 19:35

activelow

as far as i can tell this is what a judge can rule, either 1) I must have returned a board provided for "testing purpose" as the reseller claimed, which then implied some contract to do testing which is work to be compensated.

Jul 08 19:37

activelow

or 2) it wasn't some legitimate "testing purpose" and i must have paid the board which i had asked an invoice for several times which the reseller didn't provide

Jul 08 19:38

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Jul 08 19:38

activelow

the reseller now claims it wasn't him who had sold the board, but it was some other reseller on amazon, which may or may not be true but is irelevant, since he did pose as reseller exclusively on amazon and i contacted him before by phone and he provided me with a catalog of parts to order from

Jul 08 19:39

activelow

neither of the resellers did contact the vendor on behalf, so i contacted the silicon valley vendor myself, who responded by email they would cooridnate with the resellers themselves none of them would be known to silicon valley

Jul 08 19:41

activelow

then i should have requested a ticket from the vendor, which i did, yet didn't receive any confirmation anymore, and then i've had enough of this

Jul 08 19:42

activelow

in case of 1) me withholding the board was legitimate since the reseller denied to respond to any proposal me cooperating with him, offering minimum wage being paid

Jul 08 19:50

activelow

in case of 2) it wasn't some "testing purpose" then he cannot argue he didn't sell the board and he must have had provided an invoice what was supposed to be paid, which i was willing to after i was notified it wasn't supposedly him who sold the board

Jul 08 19:51

activelow

either reseller who was contacted should have contacted the silicon valley vendor on behalf and should have asked for known issues to cope with, such as defective sdcards, to name only one problem of many others

Jul 08 19:53

activelow

instead i contacted the silicon valley vendor in the end, and then they argued i didn't directly order from silicon valley vendor so they weren't obligated to proceed with my ticket and coordinate would coordinate with resellers themselves directly, and then i've had enough of this

Jul 08 19:55

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Jul 08 20:01

immibis

why would you sue someone who bought stuff from you. People don't normally enter into hardware testing contracts on Amazon. They buy and sell things. You pay the money, they ship the device, job done, end of story

Jul 08 20:03

activelow

immibis: i am being sued while having worked for zero euros income and insisting on some defect being coped with before returning anything to anyone

Jul 08 20:04

activelow

besides too i could repair some "minor" issue (besides others), which was trivial once confirmed, which was not the board itself overheating, but the sdcard exposed to heat inside officially provided alloy casing

Jul 08 20:06

activelow

and this reseller demands i should pay lawyer costs while i offered this reseller to either 1) pay minimum wage for "testing purpose" as he argues, or instead 2) provide an invoice which doesn't show 0Euros to be paid

Jul 08 20:07

immibis

activelow: well there's your problem, if you want to return a product for a refund, you have to return the product

Jul 08 20:08

immibis

You have no entitlement to keep the product after getting a refund; you have no entitlement to demand it be fixed; you just reverse the previous transaction and that's that

Jul 08 20:08

activelow

immibis: i had written to all involved parties i did NOT want refund, since i did already invest alot of time and work, and too did i want to keep those with defects being coped with

immibis

"worked for zero euros income" sounds like bullshit. it's amazon. you bought a product for money. now you want to return it for your money back. full stop.

activelow

immibis: i did neither receive receive refund, nor any compensation for my work for "testing purpose"

immibis

activelow: what work are you talking about. It's Amazon. You bought a product, presumably. Did you enter into a contract to do work?

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activelow

immibis: amazon only contributed the confusion, since i ordered several parts most of which were shipped from one reseller, while one order silently swapped the reseller

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activelow

btw. none of the resellers were officially recognised by sillicon valley vendor to my knowledge

immibis

activelow: so what is your basis for expecting them to pay you money

Jul 08 20:12

activelow

immibis: it is a development board which requires development effort, in particular if there was some confirmed defects which can easily be coped with once spotted

Jul 08 20:13

immibis

you bought products. Did you receive the products?

Jul 08 20:13

activelow

yes immibis, i paid for most parts, and since some issues were reported received some spare part from one reseller, which i did NOT ask for either, with an invoice of 0Euros

Jul 08 20:13

activelow

little later this reseller argued it wasn't him who had sold the board initially, which is probably true yet i had NOT known, so i offered he should provide an invoice in case i had to return a defective board so i could at least keep one and not loose all time and money invested by myself

Jul 08 20:14

XRevan86

https://mariadb.com/kb/en/changes-improvements-in-mariadb-106/ 10.6 is stable now with the release of 10.6.3 two days ago.

Jul 08 20:15

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Changes and Improvements in MariaDB 10.6 - MariaDB Knowledge Base

Jul 08 20:15

activelow

immibis: in the meantime the development boards are not shipped anymore at all by those resellers in germany, which would mean if some board was defect i had not available evidence anymore at least, to demonstrate one or anothe issue existed

Jul 08 20:17

activelow

hence i asked for an invoice to be paid by the reseller, which he didn't offer yet instead insisted i should return the equipment

Jul 08 20:18

activelow

which i didn't and instead insisted on compensation for my work and an invoice, two months have passed and now i am being sued.

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Jul 08 20:29

immibis

activelow: you are not entitled to bug-free products

immibis

activelow: you are not entitled to get paid for work you did of your own free will

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immibis

activelow: i suspect you complained for 2 months nonstop and now you are being sued to shut up and stop harassing this person

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Jul 08 20:31

activelow

immibis: no, i quit any conversation since when all resellers denied to cope with defects and sillicon valley vendor argued they wouldn't respond to my ticket

Jul 08 20:31

activelow

immibis: the reseller now argues he offered the spare board for "testing purpse" which i wouldn't know that meant according to labor market rules if i am testing to track down bugs, report them, and fix them

Jul 08 20:33

activelow

his argument now is everything was supposedly fine with "armbian" which i can show isn't, and too me working with gentoo tooling only serves the purpose i can 100% reproduce system integration issues fully from source, another such distracing blather since i can reproduce various issues with armbian too, besides some board variants are listed as "no official support" there too

Jul 08 20:36

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https://www.businessinsider.com/black-leaders-at-walmart-would-not-recommend-firm-to-friends-2021-7

DaemonFC

-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Black Leaders at Walmart Would Not Recommend Firm to Family, Friends

DaemonFC

You'd think that being given a chance to bitch and moan about how much you hate a company that made you a highly paid executive would be a kick in the ass out the front door.

DaemonFC

But they probably know it's not.

DaemonFC

SJW disease has set in and you can just openly say that now, and as a minority they'll be terrified to do anything about it.

Jul 08 20:57

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Jul 08 20:57

DaemonFC

Besides, with Hey Hi software, there's not a lot of decisions left to be made by managers at Walmart.

Jul 08 20:58

DaemonFC

If a manager doesn't come up with schedules, the computer schedules people, and it's so bad that none of it makes any sense.

Jul 08 21:00

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Jul 08 21:07

immibis

activelow: it's a development board. defects are expected and normal in such products. Unless it doesn't work at all, you probably have no recourse

Jul 08 21:16

immibis

activelow: Did you conduct a normal Amazon transaction?

Jul 08 21:17

immibis

DaemonFC: are you saying megacorps should rule with an iron fist or else they are weak? sounds kinda fascist to me

Jul 08 21:17

activelow

immibis: sure, depends on the type of issue involved, and the board and software had various issues with differing severity. burning hot sdcards unnecessarily is one of those.

Jul 08 21:25

activelow

in any case i had written and told all involved parties: the resellers, sillicon valley vendor, and amazon that i intended to keep those boards and did not want refund and instead issues being handled

Jul 08 21:28

activelow

and since then none of them responded anymore up until i received the letter from the lawyer today, instead of a correct invoice i insisted to receive from one reseller who offered the spare part

Jul 08 21:32

drazak/fn

DaemonFC: computers are actually good at making schedules that make sense - if you have schedules that a computer had generated bsed on whatever parameters with a linear programming or sat solving algorithm, and they seemed like nonsense - then you probably don't understand the parameters used

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Jul 08 21:34

DaemonFC

More from WGN on he latest R Kelly trial.

Jul 08 21:42

DaemonFC

He's been beating sex with minors charges over and over again for decades now, starting in like 1994 when he arranged an underage "marriage" to Aaliyah.

Jul 08 21:42

DaemonFC

Chicago jury let him go because he's black and he's a "hip hop" "artist".

Jul 08 21:43

DaemonFC

All he had to do is keep saying it wasn't him on the tape.

Jul 08 21:43

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immibis

activelow: even with severe issues, it's plausible they can claim that since this is basically a prototype part, it comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, NOT EVEN MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE

immibis

how does one burn up an SD card, anyway?

immibis

over-voltage?

immibis

or putting it right on top of some power resistor

immibis

being a dev board, which typically means it comes with just enough software to make sure it boots, is it possible *you're* meant to flip some GPIO to tell it to supply the SD card with the correct voltage?

Jul 08 22:07

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Jul 08 22:07

activelow

immibis: to stick to one example burning hot sdcards isn't any particular purpose, it is a defect which can be fixed if the vendor configures temperature throttling correctly, which i reported

Jul 08 22:17

activelow

the cause of the heat issue is the alloy-casing from the vendor transferring alot of heat to the microsdcard under circumstances, so while the board doesn't overheat sdcards become prone to total defect

Jul 08 22:18

activelow

anyway, the problem is that i am being sued although i did nothing wrong. my only mistake was being in error who had send one particular board while i suspected it was one individual reseller several ones are active on amazon, and none are recognized as official by sillicon valley.

Jul 08 22:20

activelow

and since when i became aware of this i offered the reseller he should provide me with a correct invoice instead of a one with 0Euros, which he denied to do

Jul 08 22:21

activelow

and now sues me for this.

Jul 08 22:21

immibis

activelow: sounds like usual prototype issues, not a particular defect, configure the thermal throttling yourself

Jul 08 22:22

activelow

immibis: the board is being sold since 2016 iirc and up until today vendors and suppliers do not bother with mainline integration and instead scatter their patches across various projects

Jul 08 22:23

immibis

activelow: they have no legal obligation to do so

Jul 08 22:23

immibis

does it boot using the software they provided?

Jul 08 22:24

activelow

and yes, i did set thermal throttling, diagnosed some other issues with ethernet port, hdmi-out, dram initialization, in the last two month i tagged 6000 new packages for aarch64 on gentoo

Jul 08 22:24

activelow

yes immibis, the firmware is relatively stable now for two month, and even superior in some regards to what is typically available since i integrated all patches i could harvets for example

Jul 08 22:25

activelow

thing is, since when vendors and resellers didn't respond to my inquiry when I insisted i do NOT want refund but work with those boards - this is when i've had enough and ran out of patience with them

Jul 08 22:26

immibis

activelow: they have no legal obligation to do so

immibis

and apparently, you are harassing them

immibis

and they no longer want to do business with you

activelow

wrong immibis: they have, and i haven't harassed anyone

activelow

instead they tried to force me to send back those boards, with the result i couldn't have proven what i worked hard for since march this year

immibis

activelow: was this a normal Amazon transaction?

Jul 08 22:29

activelow

normal how?

Jul 08 22:29

activelow

amazon had issued the regular refund procedure although i had told and written everyone involved that i did NOT want refund for those boards and instead issues being coped with for which I too offered my cooperation

Jul 08 22:29

immibis

activelow: you pay money, you receive product, you do not write a contract with the seller or anything like that

Jul 08 22:30

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Jul 08 22:30

activelow

so what? i am being sued now and threatened with I should pay for the lawyer costs.

immibis

activelow: did you write a contract with the seller?

immibis

other than the implicit sale contract "you get money, i get thing"?

activelow

my last demand from the reseller was to send me an invoice with his demands, instead of the 0Euro invoice i received for the spare part

immibis

activelow: did you write a contract with the seller?

immibis

other than the implicit sale contract "you get money, i get thing"?

activelow

now he argues this board was provided for "testing purpose", which i indeed utilised it for. thing is testing and development are WORK in germany to be compensated according to labor market regulations. another red line crossed not by myself.

Jul 08 22:32

immibis

activelow: did you write a contract with the seller?

Jul 08 22:32

immibis

other than the implicit sale contract "you get money, i get thing"?

Jul 08 22:32

activelow

immibis: i offered the reseller my cooperation, and when I ran out of patience reminded him that minimum wage in germany is 9Euros or something per hour.

Jul 08 22:33

immibis

activelow: what cooperation did you offer?

Jul 08 22:33

immibis

activelow: would you demand money after working on an open source project? Does Germany forbid volunteering?

Jul 08 22:34

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Jul 08 22:34

activelow

immibis: i am being sued i had supposedly done anything wrong.

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Jul 08 22:35

immibis

activelow: Doing volunteer work and then demanding payment when there was no contract for payment is wrong.

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immibis

activelow: You should be aware that minimum wage only applies to employees. If you are not an employee, there is no minimum wage.

activelow

no immibis: i received a development board which had both various software and hardware issues, some of which aren't coped with yet which is another reason i am not willing to return any part at all

immibis

If you are the one volunteering to do the work, then you are certainly not an employee.

activelow

and the resellers and amazon tried to enforce i return those boards, which had left me without evidence

Jul 08 22:38

immibis

activelow: To be clear, is the person demanding the return of the free spare part, or the supposedly defective part which you replaced with the spare, or the entire board?

Jul 08 22:38

activelow

then the reseller who had provided a spare part denied to send me an invoice for the spare part

Jul 08 22:38

immibis

by the way, are you a free market libertarian or am I getting people confused with each other again?

Jul 08 22:39

activelow

which is now his basis to claim i had withheld it which i didn't: i didn't receive any refund nor was notified of any, i didn't receive any compensation for my work, and what i got is two development boards which requiere maintenance

Jul 08 22:39

immibis

activelow: did you pay for two development boards?

Jul 08 22:40

activelow

immibis: OK, i did pay all invoices i received. the spare part board was provided with an invoice of 0Euros for "testing purpose" after i had diagnosed some issues

Jul 08 22:41

activelow

then some weeks later amazon added to the confusion since i thought all boards and spare parts originated from reseller, while one board was sent from someone else

Jul 08 22:41

immibis

activelow: So you received two boards, you paid for one, and the other was provided for "testing purposes"?

Jul 08 22:41

activelow

at that moment i was afraid if i returned any board all development effort was futile, and insisted the reseller who offered the spare part sent an invoice for me to compensate

immibis

activelow: So you received two boards, you paid for one, and the other was provided for "testing purposes"?

immibis

activelow: you are withholding information that would implicate you as a thief

activelow

in the end this is what i did: i payed for all parts I received an invoice for to work for zero income and now am being sued?

immibis

activelow: How many boards did you pay for?

activelow

no immibis: i informed all entities involved two month ago already: amazon, both resellers, and sillicon vendor

immibis

activelow: you are withholding information that would implicate you as a thief

immibis

oops wrong message to re-send

immibis

sorry not that one

immibis

activelow: How many boards did you pay for?

immibis

activelow: How many boards did you pay for?

activelow

in total? 4 boards (two of another variant), three shipped from one reseller, and a forth one shipped from a different reseller i didn't know was involved at all

*Ariadne mutters things about san francisco real estate

immibis

so you received 4 boards and you paid for all 4?

activelow

then i paid for some casing, sd cards etc.,

activelow

one board was offered as spare part, which btw. i did not ask for nor denied either

immibis

so you received 5 boards and you paid for 4?

Ariadne

the real question is why litigation

Ariadne

all of this seems too petty to litigate over

MinceR

immibis

Ariadne: from his behaviour on IRC I can see why someone might give up arguing and escalate

immibis

Ariadne: also they could be really expensive boards

Ariadne

so, i've been informed by my landlord that the building housing my servers (including the techrights one) is being sold in september, and thus my lease will not be renewed

MinceR

sepsinn

ouch

activelow

thing is, it is different variants too, and the variant which i received a spare part for isn't shipped to germany anymore (or anywhere else), and if i had returned for refund then I had not any evidence of anything anymore

Jul 08 22:47

activelow

so I insisted the reseller who offered the spare part send me an invoice to pay, which he denied to do. why?

Jul 08 22:47

immibis

activelow: so you received 5 boards and you paid for 4?

Jul 08 22:48

immibis

the fact that you are refusing to answer simple questions like this, strongly suggests you are a thief

Jul 08 22:48

activelow

it is aarch64 SBC which are installed in a distcc cluster here for gentoo

Ariadne

l o l

Ariadne

> aarch64 SBC

immibis

because most people would either answer "yes" (if they received 5 boards, paid 4, and thought the 5th was free) or "no, I only received 4" (if that is what happened)

activelow

in total it is 6SBC even, two used ones

immibis

activelow: so you received 6 boards and paid for 4?

activelow

no i paid for all boards i received an invoice for

immibis

activelow: I didn't ask whether you received an invoice for them.

immibis

activelow: so you received 6 boards and paid for 4?

activelow

of the rk3399 variant boards there is two available, one of which is the spare, the others are rk3328

Ariadne

anyway, i doubt i will find another place to stash an ibm linuxone mainframe :(

immibis

activelow: so you received 6 boards and paid for 4?

Jul 08 22:51

activelow

immibis: put aside the refurbished/used ones. the boards ordered on amazon are three in total, casing, power supply etc. which i paid for since i had the invoice to do so

Jul 08 22:51

immibis

activelow: So you received 4 boards from amazon and paid for 3?

activelow

no i received 3 from amazon and paid for three

immibis

and you had 2 refurbished ones already. So what was the other one?

activelow

the forth one was offered as spare since when i had diagnosed some issues

immibis

activelow: It sounds like the seller intended for you to use the 4th one to diagnose whether your problem was only specific to the one board you were previously trying it on.

Jul 08 22:53

immibis

by trying it on both boards. Only fails on one => board-specific. Fails on both => not board-specific.

Jul 08 22:53

activelow

ALL boards have issues, and all variants of those

Jul 08 22:54

immibis

it sounds like you *borrowed* it from him for that purpose. The seller may not have known you already had 4 other boards to test on

Jul 08 22:54

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Jul 08 22:54

activelow

i didn't borrow anything, i asked for an invoice since when all involved denied a response once i insisted i do not seek refund but issues handled correctly

Jul 08 22:55

immibis

activelow: Let me put it this way then. It sounds like he lent it to you.

Jul 08 22:55

activelow

he didn't, i didn't at least ask for any spare board to begin with, but ask for issues handled

immibis

activelow: Can you quote his offer for the spare board?

activelow

then he simply sent me some spare board for "testing purpose" to verify rk3399 board issues with two available

activelow

immibis: yes, he send me an invoice of zero Euros

activelow

which then once i found out the resellers and vendor denied coping with issues he shall provide a corrected invoice so that i wouldn't have to return any part until issues are fixed

Jul 08 22:57

activelow

he denied this with the argument he wouldn't sell any such boards, funny isn't it.

Jul 08 22:58

gerikson

confusing more like

Jul 08 22:58

immibis

activelow: It sounds like there has been some kind of misunderstanding. It sounds like the seller was under the impression he lent you the board but you are under the impression he gave it to you for free. If this is the case, I expect that the judge will side with the seller.

Jul 08 22:58

activelow

no immibis: I insisted he sent me an invoice for me to pay once i found out another reseller was involved not willing to cope with issues either and insisting on refund which i did not want

immibis

you do not get to just "think" that a borrowed item was actually a gift, and then not return it. The resolution will be: sorry, that item was not a gift, you must return it

immibis

activelow: So he lent you the item and then you insisted on buying the item instead of returning it?

activelow

no immibis: didn't think that. I insisted he sent me an invoice which he DENIED to do as all resellers and the vendor denied to cope with issues.

immibis

activelow: What difference does the invoice make? Why should he send you one? Why do you want one? It makes no difference to the actual transaction, it is just a record

Jul 08 23:00

activelow

immibis: he argues he didn't "sell" the board, while the zero Euros invoice noted it as sales.

immibis

activelow: but you said he didn't send you an invoice

activelow

once i realised the initial rk3399 wasn't shipped from the reseller i immediately contacted him again and insisted on an invoice to pay, which he DENIED

immibis

how did he not send you an invoice, and also send you a zero euro invoice?

activelow

immibis: he denied to send an invoice for me to pay

Jul 08 23:02

activelow

and instead insisted on refund, like the other reseller likewise, and amazon, which i did NOT want. i did not want refund.

Jul 08 23:02

immibis

activelow: Does the invoice say he sold the board for €0 or does it say you get to test the board for €0?

Jul 08 23:02

activelow

immibis: he didn't send me an invoice with a corrected amount to be paid.

immibis

activelow: Does the invoice say he sold the board for €0 or does it say you get to test the board for €0?

activelow

and insisted me returning the board. meanwhile i wasn't compensated for my work for "testin purpose" either. interesting isn't it?

immibis

because it could say "we lend this board for testing purposes for €0"

activelow

immibis: sold for 0Euros.

sepsinn

BEER

immibis

definitely sold? 100% unambiguous?

activelow

yes!

activelow

and I even offered to pay for the board if he sent me a corrected invoice to do so.

immibis

and the invoice is accurate?

MinceR

TEA

immibis

if he sold it for €0 you'll have an easy time in court proving that. If he didn't, he'll have an easy time in court proving he didn't. It's much better if one of you just accepts the truth, whichever it is.

immibis

then there will be no need for a court

sepsinn

COFFEE

sepsinn

SCOTCH!

activelow

accurate how. since the spare board was provided by a reseller who did not originally send the rk3399 board, which i did NOT know since amazon silently swapped the originator of the board.

sepsinn

tea is for the weak

immibis

activelow: seems irrelevant. your contract is with the seller, it doesn't matter where the board came from

sepsinn

I may be a bit too random for this chnnl atm..

activelow

after calling amazon i immediately contacted him and the other reseller, again insisting i did NOT want refund. and in case of the spare board a corrected invoice for me to pay so i can keep the board to retain EVIDENCE.,

activelow

which he denied, all insisted on refund which i did NOT want.

immibis

why do you keep insisting on evidence lol. Dev boards being bad isn't a crime.

sepsinn

and the reseller will not provide you with said invoice?

sepsinn

answered before I finished typing

immibis

since you already have 3 boards why do you need the 4th one as evidence that these boards are stupid? why not just use the other 3?

activelow

I am being sued now supposedly withholding it, after I had received ZERO compensation for my work and nothing but insults of my intellect in return.

MinceR

PEPSI WILD CHERRY

sepsinn

extra retailer/reseller somehow got involved

immibis

activelow: you are not entitled to compensation for your wor

immibis

activelow

sure, why then did the reseller deny to sent a corrected invoice and all others insisting on returning and refund?

immibis

activelow: and you are not entitled to not be called stupid. I believe Germany has some laws about public defamation, but this is not public.

sepsinn

MinceR: daheck is pepsi wild cherry? does not sound like a good beer/spirit

immibis

activelow: because he felt like it. Maybe he felt like dealing with you is not worth the effort and he is refusing to do business with you. Maybe his inventory management system can't handle the concept. Who knows. It's his choice, isn't it?

activelow

besides, the sdcard issue (heat exposure with total defects of dozens of them) alone required some time for verification

immibis

activelow: YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO COMPENSATION FOR WORK THAT YOU CHOSE TO DO FOR FREE

immibis

activelow: are you a communist?

activelow

no immibis: i already had ordered various parts from him and he argued he as a reseller wouldn't be responsible to coordinate in case of defects and issues

activelow

sillicon valley argued i should contact the resellers again, since i didn't directly order there, and the resellers insisted on return and refund which i did NOT want.

immibis

activelow: even in countries with good consumer protection laws, return and refund is generally all that you are entitled to. Maybe compensation for damages if the device floods your house, which it did not.

Jul 08 23:10

sepsinn

i cannot help but read sillicon as 'silly-con' sorry for the interruption

Jul 08 23:10

immibis

consumer protection laws might not apply to this type of product

immibis

in which case, you should be glad that you are being allowed to return and refund

activelow

nonetheless i had done nothing wrong to be sued

immibis

activelow: sounds like you are keeping a product that someone believed they lent to you

immibis

that is sue-worthy

Jul 08 23:12

activelow

he didn't lend it, he sold it for 0Euros, and then i insisted on an invoice for payment of the confusion with amazon, since i wanted to keep EVIDENCE

Jul 08 23:12

activelow

*after the confusion

Jul 08 23:12

activelow

minimum wage in german is ~9euros or so

Jul 08 23:13

activelow

Jul 08 23:13

immibis

activelow: sounds like he thought he lent it. What does the invoice say *EXACTLY WORD-FOR-WORD*?

Jul 08 23:13

immibis

activelow: and WHY DO YOU KEEP BRINGING UP MINIMUM WAGE WHEN THAT IS 100% IRRELEVANT?

Jul 08 23:14

activelow

immibis: i got everythin written in email and invoices

Jul 08 23:14

immibis

activelow: good, so what do they say?

Jul 08 23:14

activelow

immibis: it says SALES INVOICE, then the position of the spare board summing up to 0 Euros

MinceR

sepsinn: caffeinated drink

activelow

his argument was then he supposedly had not sold the board initially, which is true yet i did NOT know

immibis

activelow: what does it say next to 0 Euros?

activelow

sales invoice: board - devivery date - amount - price -- sum total 0,00 Euros

Jul 08 23:17

activelow

problem the board i paid for was shipped by a different reseller to begin with which i did not know

Jul 08 23:17

immibis

there is no line item?

Jul 08 23:17

activelow

there is 4 line itmes, board cooler, power supply, and emmc (none of which i had ordered or demanded either)

Jul 08 23:18

activelow

problem the board i paid for was shipped by a different reseller to begin with which i did not know

Jul 08 23:18

activelow

and this was the problem, since i had returned the board otherwise but didn't know how to handle defect then if no spare remained

Jul 08 23:18

activelow

so, then i responded he should send me an sales invoice to be paid, two month ago, several times.

Jul 08 23:19

activelow

in parallel all resellers, amazon and the spare board supplier insisted on return and refund, leaving me without evidence

Jul 08 23:19

immibis

so you already returned the board and then they insisted that you need to return it, even though you already returned it?

Jul 08 23:20

activelow

i didn't return anything at all, i paid all invoices i had, insisted on issues being handled, and insisted on a corrected invoice for payment

Jul 08 23:21

immibis

"this was the problem, since i had returned the board"

Jul 08 23:22

activelow

sorry, "*if* I had returned the board (rk3399 of this vendor isn't shipped anywhere) then i had no evidence remaining"

Jul 08 23:22

activelow

so instead i insisted on a corrected invoice for payment, which he DENIED.

Jul 08 23:23

immibis

what evidence do you need?

Jul 08 23:23

activelow

and amazon and the other reseller too insisted on returning the boards which i had invested several weeks of development effort into: uncompensated.

Jul 08 23:24

activelow

although i told them explicitely i did NOT want return and refund.

Jul 08 23:24

immibis

it sounds like the seller thought he lent you the board

Jul 08 23:24

immibis

and therefore, he is suing you for refusing to return it. He is not obligated to accept a payment in lieu of return

Jul 08 23:25

immibis

and you think it was not lent

Jul 08 23:25

immibis

and the judge will decide whether it was lent or not

Jul 08 23:25

activelow

before i became aware of the issues i said to the reseller: i will handle the spare part with *care* and return it in time once i finished testing

Jul 08 23:26

activelow

then end of may after i had run out of patience i insisted on a corrected invoice which he DENIED

Jul 08 23:26

activelow

in the meantime i continued development of the gentoo libre firmware

Jul 08 23:27

activelow

sillicon valley denied to handle issues with the argument the resellers handled those, resellers argue they would refund only which i denied

Jul 08 23:27

immibis

okay well if the board was lent, you are stealingi t

Jul 08 23:28

immibis

okay well if the board was lent, you are stealing it

Jul 08 23:28

activelow

i am not stealing anything, i am working for zero income here, and paid for all the equipment to do so myself for which i received an invoice

Jul 08 23:29

immibis

but you paid €0 for this equipment because the seller thought you would give it back

Jul 08 23:29

activelow

since i did pay ALL the other parts i received an invoice for, several hundred euros, reported bugs, contacted resellers, vendors, developers

Jul 08 23:30

activelow

and for the spare board i asked for a corrected invoice for obvious reasons: to keep it to retain EVIDENCE!

Jul 08 23:30

immibis

which is why the seller is only expecting you to give back the equipment which you paid €0 for, not the rest of the equipment

Jul 08 23:30

immibis

WHY THE FUCK DO YOU KEEP SAYING EVIDENCE AS IF IT MEANS ANYTHING? (capital letters mandatory or you won't answer it)

Jul 08 23:31

activelow

well, now we arrive at "testing purpose" aren't we? isn't testing and development some work to be compensated? isn't it?

Jul 08 23:31

immibis

activelow: are you an employee of the seller?

activelow

immibis: where should i send my bill to?

immibis

activelow: are you an employee of the seller?

activelow

immibis: why wouldn't he deny a corrected invoice? i paid for ALL others.

immibis

activelow: are you an employee of the seller?

immibis

activelow: he is not obligated to accept a payment instead of a return

activelow

very good question, and this is what i want an answer for at court.

immibis

activelow: you want the court to answer whether you are an employee of the seller?

activelow

immibis: he is not obligated to receive anything at all if he does not provide a corrected invoice.

activelow

otherwise i recognise it as a gift for my development efforts.

immibis

activelow: he might be. Documents do not cause obligations. Obligations cause documents.

immibis

activelow: cool. I recognized your TV as a gift to me for my effort of noticing your door was unlocked

Jul 08 23:34

activelow

immibis: i did not ask for any spare part being provided, never! he sent it to me and i told him i will return once i finished testing.

Jul 08 23:35

activelow

then two month ago for obvious reasons I insisted to keep the spare board otherwise weeks of development work had potentially been futile.

immibis

activelow: What did he say, when he sent it to you?

activelow

so i insisted he sent a corrected invoice.

activelow

activelow: NOTHING.

Ariadne

jesus christ you all are still going on about this lol

immibis

activelow: Nothing? It just turned up on your doorstep one day?

activelow

initially i only talked to him to know if any issues are common, and if cooperation was of any interest.

activelow

he then said he would simply send some parts which i did NOT ask for at all. i wanted to know if any issues are commonly know.

Jul 08 23:37

sepsinn

jiminy cricket, somebody needs a beer

Jul 08 23:38

immibis

activelow: that's all he said? "I will send some parts"?

Jul 08 23:39

activelow

yes.

Jul 08 23:39

activelow

and anything else is documented in emails.

Jul 08 23:39

activelow

my last demand was 27th may him sending me a corrected invoice so i could send mine in return

Jul 08 23:40

immibis

activelow: Did he ask you to do work for him?

Jul 08 23:40

activelow

immibis: "for testing purpose", isn't testing any work?

immibis

activelow: It depends. He probably thought you wanted to do your own testing for yourself

immibis

"Hi I want this board so I can build Gentoo." "Okay here you go." "Great, now please pay me $100 for building Gentoo." "??? wtf"

activelow

certainly not since i reported the issues correctly.