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techrights-news#covid19 <3 #uk "freedom day" (freedom for COVID to pass from person to person at alarming rates, over a million people per month! And those are just the confirmed ones)Oct 09 00:00
techrights-news#uk gov. 2020: if you test positive, stay home. UK gov. today (in the news!), 2021: if you test negative but feel unwell, also stay home. 2022: just stay confined inside your home (or face penalties) because the regime tells you to, even if you feel well and test negative for #covid19Oct 09 00:02
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techrights-news#uk #borisnaro rhetoric: "freedom" is when #covid19 spreads everywhere, all the time. Reality: when the virus spreads to almost everyone the regime can arbitrarily restrict the movement and other basic freedoms of almost anyone. Public service? WHAT public service? 09 00:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ » Blog Archive » National Government and Local Councils Give the Middle Finger to EU Citizens Long Settled in the United KingdomOct 09 00:04
techrights-newsRule of thumb: the further #covid19 spreads, the less control people will have because the regime can leverage a sense of emergency and presumption of "leper status" with the burden of proof NOT on the accuser. People are presumed "dangerous", esp. protesters and dissenters. See #russia under #putin weaponising this...Oct 09 00:07
techrights-newsPeople who say, "take the mask off" and "herd immunity" aren't protecting your freedom; they merely heighten the state of tension and exacerbate the crisis. I think we can all agree masks don't harm freedom much (in relative terms) and combined with proper distancing they're very effective.Oct 09 00:09
techrights-newsWhen #RMS gave his talk in #ukraine he did not demand people get vaccinated for #covid19 but that they all wear masks, distance, and open doors for a better flow of fresher air. I am disappointed though that he supports mandates for premature products with loads of unethical #patents on them (to increase prices ~10 fold) 09 00:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Richard Stallman’s First Public Talk (Delivered in Person) in Years, Now With a Free Format | TechrightsOct 09 00:11
activelowanother propaganda round, falsifying history: portrayal of guest workers in east germanyOct 09 00:13
activelowthe socialist agenda was this, to both: benefit from workforce from other socialiest countries such as vietnam and mosambik, AND to EDUCATE those guest workersOct 09 00:14
activelowa documentary broadcasted reinterprets this victimizing guest workersOct 09 00:15
activelowwhich is somehow remarkable, because eastern/asia did develop their economy in cooperation with socialist alliesOct 09 00:16
activelowand ordinary german workers weren't particularly privileged either in comparisonOct 09 00:16
techrights-newsIA or #internetarchive is being vandalised by #javascript right now. #proprietarySoftware and #accessibility nightmare. They must correct this. The sooner, the better. Don't turn the Web into a pile of bloated computer programs.Oct 09 00:17
activelowwhatever the propaganda apparatus touches, it must be framed into a victimizing narrativeOct 09 00:18
activelowthen shortly after 1990 when millions of east germans lost their jobs violence escalated, Rostock Lichtenhagen, after 1990, not beforeOct 09 00:18
techrights-newsThis post in support of #rms has been deleted and I cannot retrieve it from #internetarchive either 09 00:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Richard Stallman is being falsely accused of things he did not do : uwaterlooOct 09 00:19
activelowthe documentary too was remarkable because it portrayed a young vietnamese woman, offspring of those guest workers, presenting her arts and understanding of electronics productionOct 09 00:20
techrights-newsWhen #internetarchive fails there's still 09 00:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The University is violating their own policies regarding free speech : uwaterlooOct 09 00:21
techrights-newsThe real #epstein scandal at #mit is #billgates 09 00:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Massachusetts Institute of Tall Tales (MIT) Covers Up Bill Gates Bribery of MIT Through a High-Profile Pedophile, Citing No Evidence Other Than Representatives of Gates Himself | TechrightsOct 09 00:21
activelowdoubt this woman ever had studied any maths or electronics to hold any authority to present her artsOct 09 00:21
activelowneedless to say all manufacturing was "outsourced" after 1990, and who had benefit from this? east-germany? doubt it.Oct 09 00:23
activelowmaybe east-germany better had not supported vietnam during the war, however they were involved, and not welcomed guest workers instead?Oct 09 00:25
activelowso, what are they trying to accomplish with such documentaries? re-fuel some "decolonization" and victimization narrative?Oct 09 00:26
techrights-newsAnd #google cache still has that deleted post 09 00:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Richard Stallman is being falsely accused of things he did not do - r/uwaterlooOct 09 00:27
techrights-news#Massachusetts Institute of Tall Tales ( #MIT ) Covers Up #BillGates #Bribery of MIT Through a High-Profile Pedophile, Citing No Evidence Other Than Representatives of Gates Himself • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 09 00:28
activelowneedless to say, i'll not offer any lectures. i declined a PHd course from Telekom 15 years ago already, and hell yes had my feelings not been wrong about those agitators.Oct 09 00:28
techrights-news2020: Published One Year Ago Today: The Real #MIT Scandal (Before Attention Was Shifted Entirely to Richard Stallman) • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 09 00:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Published One Year Ago Today: The Real MIT Scandal (Before Attention Was Shifted Entirely to Richard Stallman) | TechrightsOct 09 00:29
techrights-news2020: #WhistleblowerAid Already Showed Cover-up of #BillGates ’Contributions’ to #MIT • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #jeffreyEpstein | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 09 00:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Whistleblower Aid Already Showed Cover-up of Bill Gates ‘Contributions’ to MIT | TechrightsOct 09 00:29
techrights-news2020: #MIT and #Microsoft Have Done Nothing to Actually Tackle #Pedophilia and #Ephebophilia • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// after the Gates divorce we know what pervert Bill did...Oct 09 00:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | MIT and Microsoft Have Done Nothing to Actually Tackle Pedophilia and Ephebophilia | TechrightsOct 09 00:30
techrights-news2020: One Year Later #RichardStallman Needs to be Un-cancelled and Attention Turned to the Real Perpetrator of #MIT Scandals • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #billgates #jeffreyEpstein | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 09 00:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | One Year Later Richard Stallman Needs to be Un-cancelled and Attention Turned to the Real Perpetrator of MIT Scandals | TechrightsOct 09 00:31
schestowitz-TRactivelow: docus are overratedOct 09 00:32
schestowitz-TRmany are convenient revisonismOct 09 00:32
schestowitz-TRspun as objective documentation of hsistorical fastOct 09 00:32
schestowitz-TRplus some slant and shifted focus for entertainment and ratingOct 09 00:32
schestowitz-TRone example of Michael Moore documentariesOct 09 00:33
schestowitz-TRthey're largely political statementsOct 09 00:33
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schestowitz-TRmaybe soon we'll have 'documentaries' about Nokia and MicrosoftOct 09 00:33
activelowthis woman was complaining east-germans kept human resources records, and arranged for living quartersOct 09 00:33
schestowitz-TRthere were already some Esptein docus that curiously enough omit Bill GatesOct 09 00:34
schestowitz-TRand one can imagine why or who funds this etc.Oct 09 00:34
activelowschestowitz-TR: fact is in east-germany flats were scarce, in particular the modern one with heating!Oct 09 00:34
schestowitz-TRto shift attention to other people etc.Oct 09 00:34
schestowitz-TRberlin flats look bad to meOct 09 00:34
activelowbefore 1990Oct 09 00:34
schestowitz-TRwhen we were there it still looked very brutalistOct 09 00:34
activelowi wouldn't argue by todays standards living quarters were luxerious, however most east-germans were keen on renting such flatsOct 09 00:35
schestowitz-TRone friend from germany calls berlin "worst of germany'Oct 09 00:35
activelowbecause heating; the majority of flats required an oven heated with coalOct 09 00:36
MinceR 09 00:36
altlink_c3e📣 is Cloudflare domain.Oct 09 00:36
altlink_c3e🙆 Alternative: 09 00:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | BOFH: I'm so pleased to be on the call, Boss. No, of course this isn't a recording • The RegisterOct 09 00:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | BOFH: I'm so pleased to be on the call, Boss. No, of course this isn't a recording • The RegisterOct 09 00:36
leah8GB RAM is the new 1GB. 4GB is the new 512MBOct 09 00:37
techrights-newsFull Circle Weekly News #230Oct 09 00:37
*leah has 8GB RAM nowOct 09 00:37
leahMinceR: new bofh episodes!?Oct 09 00:37
schestowitz"Earlier [Quint] had built a water collecting system using his gutters and a bell siphon but wasn’t satisfied with the overall power output." 09 00:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Power Your Home With A Water Battery | HackadayOct 09 00:37
MinceRif 8GB RAM is the new 1GB and 4GB is the new 512MB, then 2GB is the new 256MB, 1GB is the new 128MB, therefore 8GB is the new 128MB...Oct 09 00:37
leahactually, i can see how BOFH could make a comeback in the era of covidOct 09 00:38
MinceRleah: this one isn't that newOct 09 00:38
leahwith less people going to work, and instead working from home, more sysadmins are needed to run all of the internet infrastructureOct 09 00:38
schestowitz-TRhow so?Oct 09 00:38
schestowitz-TRfor remote access?Oct 09 00:38
leahi guessOct 09 00:38
MinceRif 1GB is the new 128MB, then 512MB is the new 64MB and 256MB is the new 32MB and 128MB is the new 16MB, so 8GB is the new 16MBOct 09 00:38
leahthough probably people will use zoom instead of some self-hosted solutionOct 09 00:38
leahso my statement doesn't really hold waterOct 09 00:39
schestowitz-TRclown computingOct 09 00:39
schestowitz-TRclam computingOct 09 00:39
schestowitz-TRclampOct 09 00:39
leahcloudfarceOct 09 00:39
schestowitz-TRwe call it clownflareOct 09 00:39
schestowitz-TRit powers too much of the webOct 09 00:39
MinceRthe newest BOFH is from yesterday, thoughOct 09 00:39
schestowitz-TRa cdn running at a lossOct 09 00:39
leahcloudfarceOct 09 00:39
MinceRi call it crimeflareOct 09 00:39
schestowitz-TRoperating at lossesOct 09 00:39
leahfastly is now named farcelyOct 09 00:39
schestowitz-TRto help the US commandeer a lot of siteOct 09 00:39
MinceRfartlyOct 09 00:39
schestowitz-TRspying, censorship, and moreOct 09 00:40
leahextra extra! centralized infrastructure leads to massive amounts of control from bureaucratsOct 09 00:40
schestowitz-TRsome 'sites' are just little AWS instanceOct 09 00:40
schestowitz-TRpages served with clownflareOct 09 00:40
schestowitz-TRHECK!Oct 09 00:40
leahsudo apt-get install nginxOct 09 00:40
schestowitz-TRjust use blogspotOct 09 00:40
schestowitz-TRsame shitOct 09 00:40
leahsudo ufw allow httpOct 09 00:40
leahsudo ufw allow httpsOct 09 00:40
leahsudo apt-get install certbotOct 09 00:40
leahthat's how i make a websiteOct 09 00:41
schestowitz-TRmakes senseOct 09 00:41
schestowitz-TRbut whataboudaclownOct 09 00:41
activelowoutbound filtering is a weakness oftenOct 09 00:41
schestowitz-TRmy wife wasted 3 hours today trying to add 2 users in AWSOct 09 00:42
schestowitz-TRthey call it "easy"Oct 09 00:42
schestowitz-TRyes, if you spend months memorising GUIs, proprietary crap, to pass an examOct 09 00:42
schestowitz-TRand then within 5 years it's all shuffled all over so your 'skills' are worthless aleadyOct 09 00:42
leahyes and learning that makes you more money than learning e=mc2Oct 09 00:42
leahthese daysOct 09 00:42
leahnobody learns how anything worksOct 09 00:42
schestowitz-TRthat's the clown in  a nutshell: cargo cults, hype, buzzwords, passing fadsOct 09 00:43
leah"IT" in my school days was microcoft office 2003Oct 09 00:43
leahmicrosoft*Oct 09 00:43
schestowitz-TRremember all those other "clown" "tech" that vanished?Oct 09 00:43
leahthe laws of physics do not change. and the internet doesn't changeOct 09 00:43
leahbut how we use it doesOct 09 00:43
schestowitz-TRit does change a bitOct 09 00:43
schestowitz-TRbut I still wait to see "the year of ipv6" :-)Oct 09 00:44
schestowitz-TRwe were promised this when i was an 18-y-o studentOct 09 00:44
schestowitz-TRI'm turning 40 some time soonOct 09 00:44
schestowitz-TRwe were also promise QUANTUM computingOct 09 00:44
schestowitz-TRhow did THAT turn out 2 decades later?Oct 09 00:44
schestowitz-TR*promisedOct 09 00:45
leahfor my ISP, the year of IPv6 was 1998Oct 09 00:45
leahthey've offered it on the order form since 1998. and provided it by default since 2004Oct 09 00:45
*GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Oct 09 00:46
leahthey actually refer to the IPv4 internet as "legacy internet"Oct 09 00:46
schestowitzThe “Strike Regulations” long protected by #AntónioCampinos (for more than 3 years) were supported by the Dutch delegation despite being unlawful; we take a look back at the people who made these illegal policies possible • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ Oct 09 00:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EPO’s Overseer/Overseen Collusion — Part VI: A Distinct Lack of Dutch Courage | TechrightsOct 09 00:46
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techrights-newsThough it’s customary to assume a strong sense of justice in #Holland , the #EPO ’s affairs serve to dispute, disprove, and dispel such widespread perceptions • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 09 00:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Unlawful Legacy of Guus Broesterhuizen, Paul van Beukering, and Derk-Jan de Groot | TechrightsOct 09 00:47
schestowitz-TRleah: the pentagon monopolies will soon refer to them as "LEGACY ISPS"Oct 09 00:47
schestowitz-TRseeing they want to control everything in the pipelineOct 09 00:47
schestowitz-TRinc. broadbandOct 09 00:47
activelowipv6 didn't fix the BGP routing table sizes, which maybe is more critical than lack of v4 addresses, and v6 can accelerate the BGP routing table chaosOct 09 00:47
activelowBGP issues was what took down fbOct 09 00:48
schestowitz-TRleah: whereabouts are you based? I heard you gave talks in uslandOct 09 00:49
leahi live in the UKOct 09 00:49
schestowitz-TRsomeone left me with the impression you were north americanOct 09 00:50
leahhowever, i have a great affinity for the people of 5th floor, 51 franklin street, boston, ma 02110Oct 09 00:50
leahyeah lol everyone thinks i'm an american but i'm notOct 09 00:50
leahi have a thick essex accentOct 09 00:50
leahthough technically i'm a northerner, but i've lived in essex since i was a kidOct 09 00:50
*schestowitz-TR thinks of 'posh' YV shows with arrogant people in themOct 09 00:50
schestowitz-TR*TVOct 09 00:51
leahhave you ever heard my voice?Oct 09 00:51
schestowitz-TRnoOct 09 00:51
leahyou wouldn't think i'm an american if you didOct 09 00:51
techrights-news#IBM / #RedHat Leftovers • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 09 00:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux MachinesOct 09 00:52
leahi have a great ideaOct 09 00:52
leahi will link you to somethingOct 09 00:52
leah 09 00:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | freenode #live 2018 - Leah Rowe - Libreboot - InvidiousOct 09 00:54
leahhere is my *failed* libreboot talk at 2018Oct 09 00:54
leahtheir projector was designed for hdmi, and someone in the audience brought me a usb-powered vga to hdmi adapter so i could connect my libreboot thinkpadOct 09 00:54
techrights-news"it’s supplied with Firefox, it can capture screenshots, it understands JavaScript stacks, and Firefox is adding “markers” to indicate important events that may be useful to developers." 09 00:55
altlink_c3e📣 is Cloudflare domain.Oct 09 00:55
altlink_c3e🙆 Alternative: 09 00:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Reducing the Overhead of Profiling Firefox Sleeping Threads – Mozilla PerformanceOct 09 00:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Reducing the Overhead of Profiling Firefox Sleeping Threads – Mozilla PerformanceOct 09 00:55
leahbut i neglected to realize: usb-powered. so i wasn't powering it, and thought it was just broken or something. so did the whole talk without slides. but yeah that's my voice. not an american :)Oct 09 00:55
leahthose were different times. that talk is from another eraOct 09 00:56
schestowitz-TRnot very essex accentOct 09 00:56
schestowitz-TRwhich i guess makes senseOct 09 00:56
leahan era of stagnation. i revived that project. in that talk, i'm lying the whole time. specifically, the lie is that the project isn't a dead projectOct 09 00:57
leahin 2018, it was a dead projectOct 09 00:57
leahi revived it in 2021, for realOct 09 00:57
schestowitz-TRit was quietOct 09 00:57
schestowitz-TRfor realOct 09 00:57
schestowitz-TRafter the whole "boycott gnu" episodeOct 09 00:57
leahyeahOct 09 00:57
activelowboycott gnu?Oct 09 00:57
leahwell, i felt great shame about that and stepped down, leaving others in chargeOct 09 00:57
schestowitz-TRboycotting bad things is goodOct 09 00:58
schestowitz-TRand looks good in hindsightOct 09 00:58
schestowitz-TRwe used to boycott novell until it vanishedOct 09 00:58
leahlong story short, the project went nowhere after that, and earlier this year, i decided to just revert my stepping down and take over. and i deleted 5 years of timeOct 09 00:58
schestowitz-TRboycotting google people/orgs is bad opticsOct 09 00:58
schestowitz-TRand does not age wellOct 09 00:58
schestowitz-TRoopsOct 09 00:58
schestowitz-TRI meane "good people"Oct 09 00:58
schestowitz-TRtypes "google people"Oct 09 00:58
leahthat's what happened. deleted 5 years of time. the project went through a re-write, that's why libreboot was silent for 5 years. the re-write went staleOct 09 00:59
schestowitz-TRfrom the ireland of UK -)Oct 09 00:59
leahi had re-built my relations with fsf and gnu fully, by 2020Oct 09 00:59
leahanyway, in late 2020 i asked the then lead developer of libreboot, when the next release was. he gave me the same answer as every year since 2017: "soon"Oct 09 00:59
schestowitz-TRI see...Oct 09 00:59
leahI then said:Oct 09 00:59
leahi bet i could do it in a month, from scratchOct 09 01:00
schestowitz-TRfsf changed a bitOct 09 01:00
schestowitz-TRbut not enoughOct 09 01:00
schestowitz-TRtech changes fastOct 09 01:00
schestowitz-TRfsf moves slowluOct 09 01:00
schestowitz-TRmessaging on issues we had decades agoOct 09 01:00
leahand i did just that. but then decided not to release it, and instead spent a few months polishing. and the result was my 2021 takeover, and the libreboot 20210522 release, which i'm still proud ofOct 09 01:00
schestowitz-TRRMS is not familiar with many existing issues and company namesOct 09 01:00
schestowitz-TRbut..Oct 09 01:01
schestowitz-TRI might expect that for an org run by emacs usersOct 09 01:01
leah"5 years of time deleted" that's really what happened. a re-write that dragged on for 5 years, i cancelled it completely, thus deleting 5 years of time. i revived libreboot from 2016, and brought it up to date. but with one catch: x86 onlyOct 09 01:01
schestowitz-TRwho likely have not paid much attention to creeping listening devices, cars with back doors etc.Oct 09 01:01
leahnon-x86 is much more advanced nowadays in coreboot land. from 2022 onwards, my focus is post-x86Oct 09 01:01
schestowitz-TRleah: x86 only might be short-sightedOct 09 01:02
schestowitz-TRx86 is not growingOct 09 01:02
leahyeah see what i saidOct 09 01:02
schestowitz-TRin relative market terms it lost A LOT this past decadeOct 09 01:02
schestowitz-TReven servers move away from itOct 09 01:02
schestowitz-TRI see, jumped the gun a bitOct 09 01:02
leahjumped the gnu, if ariadne and her alpine project have their way :)Oct 09 01:03
schestowitz-TRin fact, focusing too much on laptops/desktop is also a potential mistakeOct 09 01:03
schestowitz-TRmany of today's computers you are UNABLE to access deep enough for booting freedomOct 09 01:03
schestowitz-TRmicrochips in like 100 billion devicesOct 09 01:03
leahyou mean phones and stuff?Oct 09 01:03
schestowitz-TReven headphonesOct 09 01:03
leahSoCs and suchOct 09 01:03
schestowitz-TRcars have many microchipsOct 09 01:04
schestowitz-TRwhen I was driving there were almost noneOct 09 01:04
schestowitz-TRmaybe just dashboardOct 09 01:04
schestowitz-TRand even that was done mostly analogueOct 09 01:04
leahyeah i don't really understand that eitherOct 09 01:04
schestowitz-TRmaybe gas tank indicator was digitalisedOct 09 01:04
leahmaking everything "smart"Oct 09 01:04
schestowitz-TRselling crapOct 09 01:05
XRevan86leah: I can immediately notice ye have a non-rhotic accent.Oct 09 01:05
leahit's a 6 ton heap of metal with wheels on it. this isn't complicatedOct 09 01:05
schestowitz-TRhard to repairOct 09 01:05
schestowitz-TRthey don't even keep spares 5 years down the lineOct 09 01:05
leahnon-rhotic?Oct 09 01:05
XRevan86leah: start → stahtOct 09 01:05
schestowitz-TR6 tons?Oct 09 01:05
activelowworked for a german automotive supplier, subsidiary of continental, who developed "infotainment" and navigation systemsOct 09 01:05
schestowitz-TRwhat car do you drive? semi trailers are maybe 20Oct 09 01:06
schestowitz-TRtrucks 4-6 when emptyOct 09 01:06
leahschestowitz-TR: i don't drive, but when i do, it's usually big diesel carsOct 09 01:06
schestowitz-TRbut 6 tons sounds wrongOct 09 01:06
schestowitz-TRlet me check hummerOct 09 01:06
leahi don't know how much cars weighOct 09 01:06
leahi was just estimatingOct 09 01:06
schestowitz2,900 kg 09 01:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Hummer - WikipediaOct 09 01:06
activelowan average car? 1.5tonsOct 09 01:07
schestowitzit barely gets heavier than thisOct 09 01:07
leahoh right. XRevan86 you mean i don't pronounce the rOct 09 01:07
XRevan86leah: Also ye have a very British thing which is the /kaːnt/ pronunciation.Oct 09 01:07
XRevan86* /kɑːnt/Oct 09 01:07
leah 09 01:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Rhotic vs Non Rhotic Accents - InvidiousOct 09 01:08
leahi'm watching thisOct 09 01:08
XRevan86Non-rhotic American pronunciation is a thing, and rhotic British pronunciation too (schestowitz is an example of that).Oct 09 01:09
schestowitz-TRcompu-haOct 09 01:09
schestowitz-TRversus compu-TEROct 09 01:09
XRevan86The "t" is another thing.Oct 09 01:09
schestowitzbahaOct 09 01:10
schestowitzbu-TTEROct 09 01:10
XRevan86Rhoticity is specifically the "r".Oct 09 01:10
leahbut i do pronounce the ROct 09 01:10
leahe.g. remoteOct 09 01:10
techrights-news"Some of the services I host are hosted behind dynamic DNS. There are lots of services to automatically update the dns records if the IP changes, but most of them are not free or require regular confirmation of the domain." 09 01:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | DDNS with Hetzner DNSOct 09 01:10
*schestowitz-TR tries to speak as clearly as possible for non-English audienceOct 09 01:10
XRevan86leah: Obviously, but not as a leading sound or before a consonant.Oct 09 01:11
*schestowitz-TR thinks it's considered 'slick' to munich wordsOct 09 01:11
schestowitz-TR*munchOct 09 01:11
schestowitz-TRand for locals with the same dialects it's poissble to 'guess' what's munchedOct 09 01:11
XRevan86leah: I don't know of any English accent that would go farther than that.Oct 09 01:11
schestowitz-TRit's cryptic language for the dialectsOct 09 01:11
XRevan86German accents do.Oct 09 01:12
leahthis man has a non-rhotic accent: 09 01:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Arthur C Clarke predicts the internet in 1964 - InvidiousOct 09 01:12
XRevan86leah: No, it's rhotic.Oct 09 01:12
leahoh myOct 09 01:13
leahfind me an english word with the most amount of R's in itOct 09 01:13
leah 09 01:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | words that containing most letter rOct 09 01:13
XRevan86It's not about the amount, it's about the position. "right" is not it, "further" is it.Oct 09 01:13
leahnow do a video pronouncing every one of those wordsOct 09 01:14
XRevan86If ye say it like "fu/r/ther", your accent is rhotic.Oct 09 01:14
leahfor the lolsOct 09 01:14
schestowitz-TRleah: that first video is goodOct 09 01:14
XRevan86if like "fu-ther" (optionally with a longer vowel for maintaining the mora), then it's notOct 09 01:14
schestowitz-TRlots of irish are rhoticOct 09 01:15
schestowitz-TResp. northOct 09 01:15
schestowitz-TRthey gfets loads of american tourists tooOct 09 01:16
schestowitz-TRprobably makes them easier to comprehendOct 09 01:16
XRevan86leah: The other thing I mentioned (about "can't") is this: 09 01:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trap–bath split - WikipediaOct 09 01:16
activelowenglish language vocabulary is obfuscated by transcription errorsOct 09 01:17
activelowfor example, egg, it may be written correctly, but english pronounce it wrongOct 09 01:17
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activelowit is pronounced correctly as ej (similar to eye), the transcription error was introduced because lower-german dialect pronounces g as jOct 09 01:18
leahXRevan86: i carnt fathom itOct 09 01:18
activelowwhich is the joke, with gif and jifOct 09 01:18
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XRevan86activelow: The loan is from Old Norse, where it *was* pronounced with a /g/Oct 09 01:22
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activelowhowever g is pronounced correctlyOct 09 01:24
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activelowsame with Water and Wasser (because in old fraktur script t and s have a similar shape), or hate and hassOct 09 01:25
XRevan86activelow: There is a loan from West-Germanic in English too: 09 01:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ey - WiktionaryOct 09 01:25
XRevan86It was there first but then got replaced by the Old Norse one: egg.Oct 09 01:26
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XRevan86with spelling and with pronunciationOct 09 01:26
activelowXRevan86: in german "egg" is pronounced similar to eck (corner), maybe egg being the object and eck/corner the location where it was foundOct 09 01:27
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activelowduring stone age humans probably didn't distinguish precisely with vocabulary and grammarOct 09 01:28
XRevan86activelow: Why does it matter how it's pronounced in modern German?Oct 09 01:28
activelowXRevan86: because german language can reconstruct some biblical texts, i thinkOct 09 01:29
activelowand it is a difference if live was born out of an ey (instead of created by an almighty god lord), different phrasing different meaningOct 09 01:29
XRevan86activelow: Just like Russian is exactly kak niemetsky, nikakoy raznitsy.Oct 09 01:30
leahanyway. i can run mozilla thunderbird and firefox simultaneously now. 8gb is the new 1gbOct 09 01:30
leahwhen i was a teenager, you needed 1gb to do thatOct 09 01:30
leahnow you need 8gbOct 09 01:30
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XRevan86activelow: What ye just said, it made no sense whatsoever.Oct 09 01:31
leahif you install a lightweight browser like surf, and disable javascript, and use mutt+vim for email, 8gb becomes 256MBOct 09 01:31
leahi hate modern software. it's the same software that i used 20 years ago, but it's 100x less efficientOct 09 01:31
leahsometimes, the program is finished and needs no further improvement. when software gets to this point, there are 2 types of people: one of them goes on to create KDE plasma. the other simply continues to use their now perfect softwareOct 09 01:32
XRevan86activelow: Ease up on folk linguistics.Oct 09 01:33
leahand the KDE plasma people are doing great harm to the worldOct 09 01:33
leahby encouraging people to throw away their perfectly good computers, thus contributing to e-waste, and making life very hard indeed for those of us who do not wish to upgrade our hardwareOct 09 01:34
leahfor no gain of functionality. in fact, lightweight software does moreOct 09 01:34
XRevan86leah: I cannot focus on software when all I can think of is the activelow's line of thought that puns in German or English are even valid for Bible interpretation.Oct 09 01:37
XRevan86That's wrong on so many levels I am baffled.Oct 09 01:37
activelowXRevan86: german and english are older than the bibleOct 09 01:38
activelowsorry leahOct 09 01:38
schestowitz-TRin what form?Oct 09 01:38
schestowitz-TRall languages are connected at some levelsOct 09 01:39
schestowitz-TRbut Germanic languages are not that oldOct 09 01:39
XRevan86activelow: And everyone involved weren't aware of its existence + what schestowitz saidOct 09 01:39
schestowitz-TRRoman maybeOct 09 01:39
schestowitz-TReven Roman in the ancient days wasn't ItalianOct 09 01:39
XRevan86schestowitz: They are that old.Oct 09 01:39
XRevan86but not how they are, yesOct 09 01:40
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schestowitz-TRXRevan86: french and english are similar in many waysOct 09 01:40
schestowitz-TRbut structurally variedOct 09 01:40
schestowitz-TRlatin is a common root, but who speaks pure latin these days?Oct 09 01:40
schestowitz-TRI know Tim from techBytes couldOct 09 01:40
activelowlatin isn't a common rootOct 09 01:41
activelowgerman isOct 09 01:41
schestowitz-TRI also have a friend that can, but because some schools teach thatOct 09 01:41
XRevan86> Proto-Germanic eventually developed from pre-Proto-Germanic into three Germanic branches during the fifth century BC to fifth century AOct 09 01:41
XRevan86So during the Bible development German and English were both in the Proto-Germanic stage.Oct 09 01:42
schestowitz-TRthe old bible is ramic iircOct 09 01:42
schestowitz-TR*aramicOct 09 01:42
XRevan86Semitic languages + Ancient Greek.Oct 09 01:43
activelowmy hypothesis: rune script is older than greek/latin script; rune script is the common ancestry which was carried north and appeared there laterOct 09 01:43
activelowbecause northward settlemend during "late bronce age collapse" and persian raids prolonged centuries, and norther regions retained an *older* script although it appeared laterOct 09 01:44
XRevan86activelow: Maybe K&R C is actually newer than C89.Oct 09 01:45
activelowin hebrew it is Aleph, in German it is Alles (fraktur script f and s look similar)Oct 09 01:45
XRevan86who's to say which way of declaring procedures is newer? equally likely.Oct 09 01:45
XRevan86Maybe prototypes are older but just resurfaced later.Oct 09 01:46
activelowXRevan86: Negau HelmetOct 09 01:46
XRevan86activelow: And?Oct 09 01:47
activelowevidenceOct 09 01:48
XRevan86activelow: Of the Etruscan alphabet?Oct 09 01:49
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activelowXRevan86: runesOct 09 01:49
activelowand "Celts" aren't people, it is the german word Zelt (tent); "Gauls" (french) aren't a tribe either, a Gaul is a male horse (german)Oct 09 01:52
XRevan86activelow: Prove to me it's not the Etruscan alphabet.Oct 09 01:52
XRevan86but a sudden anachronistic example of a runic alphabetOct 09 01:52
activelowSaxons are not a tribe either, a Sach/x/ck is the german word for bag - all this is bronce age vocabulary, retained in german language with their original meaning, not french or latin or englishOct 09 01:53
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XRevan86Ukraine is not a country either, the word is a Slavic word for a corner, that totally invalidates everything.Oct 09 01:54
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XRevan86(that is occasionally used as a real argument)Oct 09 01:54
schestowitz-TRwait, ukraine is a word?Oct 09 01:54
XRevan86Okraina isOct 09 01:54
schestowitz-TRso crimeas is the Okraina of Okraina :-DOct 09 01:55
schestowitz-TR*CrimeaOct 09 01:55
XRevan86give it a bit of ukañye, and suddenly it's UkrainaOct 09 01:55
XRevan86(like in yabloko → yabluko)Oct 09 01:55
schestowitz-TRXRevan86: a large set of island in southeast asia is called after a spanish kingOct 09 01:55
schestowitz-TRso make Spain  Great AgainOct 09 01:55
XRevan86schestowitz: Well, the logic is that it's Outer Lands of… something.Oct 09 01:56
schestowitz-TRXRevan86: when I hear Russians saying it, well, it's ooohk, raaaa, yinaOct 09 01:56
schestowitz-TRXRevan86: outer land of EUOct 09 01:57
schestowitz-TRcorner of EUOct 09 01:57
schestowitz-TRthanks,PutinOct 09 01:57
schestowitz-TRfor clarifying it's part of the EU ;-)Oct 09 01:57
schestowitz-TRBelarusia nxtOct 09 01:57
schestowitz-TRthe Bel in Belarus? That's BELGIUmOct 09 01:57
XRevan86Bel- is for WhiteOct 09 01:57
schestowitz-TRBrussels .. checkmateOct 09 01:57
XRevan86White-o-Rus'Oct 09 01:57
XRevan86or rather, White-a-Rus', because of akañye reflected in spellingOct 09 01:58
schestowitz-TR"greater" RussiaOct 09 01:58
XRevan86ukañye is o→u, akañye is o→a :)Oct 09 01:58
activelow"prussia"Oct 09 01:59
schestowitz-TRRomaia, Bulgaria, HungariaOct 09 01:59
schestowitz-TRRussia obviouslyOct 09 01:59
schestowitz-TRall nations with "ia"Oct 09 01:59
schestowitz-TRAlimania Oct 09 01:59
schestowitz 09 02:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Alamannia - WikipediaOct 09 02:00
XRevan86Anyway, I don't get why activelow brought up all this naming stuff. Should I double-check that?Oct 09 02:00
schestowitz-TRhe reads up a lot on hiostoryOct 09 02:01
schestowitz-TRold literatureOct 09 02:01
activelowsometimes i doOct 09 02:01
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schestowitz-TRactivelow: better thann sscrolling up and down in FBOct 09 02:01
schestowitz-TRyou might actualyl learn something valuableOct 09 02:01
XRevan86Well, I know that activelow's interpretation of "Celt" is totally wrong.Oct 09 02:01
schestowitz-TRthe "mainstream" (schools, TV, etc.) teach stuff selectivelyOct 09 02:02
XRevan86Because the word "Celt" is at its root, surprisingly, a Celtic word.Oct 09 02:02
schestowitz-TRthe history here is hard to learnOct 09 02:03
schestowitz-TRbecause of many overlapsOct 09 02:03
schestowitz-TRwales, scotland, irelandOct 09 02:03
schestowitz-TRto get naturalised I'd likely need to memorise the "official" stoprieOct 09 02:03
schestowitz-TR*storiesOct 09 02:03
activelow"German" is a misnomer too, it is transcribed errornously, it is Heer-Mann (military man), a designation applied by foreignorsOct 09 02:04
XRevan86activelow: Please, stop!Oct 09 02:04
schestowitz-TRhermann is a surnameOct 09 02:04
XRevan86activelow: The bloody word "German" is of Latin origin, so please stop.Oct 09 02:05
XRevan86And back then the word had /a/ for a vowel.Oct 09 02:07
schestowitz-TRreeks of "alternative facts" to meOct 09 02:07
XRevan86I mean "Heer".Oct 09 02:07
schestowitz-TRlike the ones you find in scopesOct 09 02:07
schestowitz-TRand then go, ahhh..., it was only a jokeOct 09 02:07
schestowitz-TR*snopesOct 09 02:08
XRevan86schestowitz: Yes, activelow is an extreme case of a folk linguist. Or how Russians call them, a lingua-freak.Oct 09 02:08
activelow"Herr" is the Lord, and "Heer" is the armyOct 09 02:08
schestowitz-TRXRevan86: I think scientes was digging deep alsoOct 09 02:08
XRevan86schestowitz: Well, at least he had a point.Oct 09 02:08
XRevan86He dug deep, but it was too deep for me to refute :)Oct 09 02:09
schestowitz-TRis he on 'liber'-a?Oct 09 02:09
XRevan86activelow's statements are on a level like "the Linux codebase has not a single "if" in it"Oct 09 02:09
XRevan86schestowitz: Yes.Oct 09 02:10
schestowitz-TRif you ever get in touch, let him know where we areOct 09 02:10
schestowitz-TRhe has been here for well over a decadeOct 09 02:10
XRevan86Very easy to disprove, but which also sounds false off the start.Oct 09 02:10
schestowitz-TRhe introduced me to Liz Warren around 2009Oct 09 02:10
XRevan86or more like "Etruskan actually means This is Russian, an evidence of BC Russians"Oct 09 02:12
XRevan86or "there's Cyrillic writing on the Sun"Oct 09 02:12
*XRevan86 is so unimaginative he uses real statements for this freak-linguistic examples.Oct 09 02:13
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schestowitz-TRfirst time I hear that termOct 09 02:14
schestowitz-TRwhich I interpret as the literary equivalent of seeing shapes and symbols where none are applicableOct 09 02:14
XRevan86Etruskan==This is Russian is from Zadornov, Sun Cyrillic is from Chudinov.Oct 09 02:14
schestowitz-TRlike those who dissect logos for shapes and words for phenetics that are purely coincidentalOct 09 02:15
XRevan86Чудинов,_Валерий_Алексеевич no English article, bummer.Oct 09 02:15
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schestowitz-TReither way, I loathe that form of thinking because it's weak evidenceOct 09 02:15
schestowitz-TRand a path too k00ky territoryOct 09 02:15
schestowitz-TRlike, imagine us anallysing EPO logoOct 09 02:15
XRevan86 he was doing this kind of stuffOct 09 02:16
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schestowitz-TRto find rounds and pyramids and things or dissecting the words in EPO to find things that just sound connectedOct 09 02:16
schestowitz-TRMinceR posted a meme the other dayOct 09 02:16
schestowitz-TRiirc= something like obama's name having 19 letters in itOct 09 02:16
schestowitz-TRhence "=COVID-19"Oct 09 02:16
schestowitz-TRin the case of words, you can do revisionist dissection of themOct 09 02:17
schestowitz-TRand on the surface it standsOct 09 02:17
schestowitz-TRbut post-hocOct 09 02:17
schestowitz-TRlots of place names like thatOct 09 02:17
MinceRschestowitz-TR: the name had 18 letters in it, thoughOct 09 02:17
MinceRwhoever wrote that sign couldn't even add up 3 numbers correctlyOct 09 02:18
schestowitz-TRyou try to make it sound like a place name stands for some words that were not at all connected to the original nameOct 09 02:18
schestowitz-TRin the uk it's easy to doOct 09 02:18
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schestowitz-TRa friend of mine misled his young nephewOct 09 02:18
schestowitz-TRliver-poolOct 09 02:18
schestowitz-TRman-chesterOct 09 02:18
schestowitz-TRlots of wordplay possible hereOct 09 02:18
schestowitz-TRMinceR: yes, maybe paid to act dumbOct 09 02:19
schestowitz-TRfor the photographOct 09 02:19
XRevan86schestowitz: Brave to share these examples around activelow :)Oct 09 02:19
XRevan86schestowitz: But since they aren't related to East Germany, it might be okay :).Oct 09 02:19
schestowitz-TRI find it almost unfasthomable someone thought that sign made any senseOct 09 02:19
schestowitz-TReven east germany as a concept is BSOct 09 02:20
schestowitz-TRit's one country divided after its fallOct 09 02:20
activelownoOct 09 02:20
schestowitz-TRto the countries to the east and westOct 09 02:20
schestowitz-TRlike drawn up borders near syriaOct 09 02:20
schestowitz-TRwhich the french and english drew upOct 09 02:20
schestowitz-TRsome in noth africaOct 09 02:20
activelowpredating 1945 eastern prussia was multi-national, and german-speakers were expelled and murdered, millions of themOct 09 02:20
activelowon top of those 7million soldiers, another few million civilians were murderedOct 09 02:21
activelowwhich doesn't account for the "red terror" before ww2Oct 09 02:21
schestowitz-TRbut was there an "east germeny"?Oct 09 02:21
activelowukraine, poland, romaniaOct 09 02:21
activelowexpelled and murdered everywhereOct 09 02:21
XRevan86schestowitz: "one country" – countries are not that strong a concept, and German unity is a recent enough concept.Oct 09 02:21
schestowitz"1949–1990"Oct 09 02:22
schestowitz 09 02:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | East Germany - WikipediaOct 09 02:22
activelowand after 1990 it is the final strokeOct 09 02:22
schestowitz-TRit's like saying East EnglandOct 09 02:22
schestowitz-TRthat just refers to "where" inside the UKOct 09 02:22
schestowitz-TRthere's no "East England" per seOct 09 02:22
XRevan86schestowitz: But on top of that, yes, correct.Oct 09 02:22
schestowitz-TRhmmm... east germany was a lot smaller than I thoughtOct 09 02:23
schestowitz-TRI thought Germany had been annxed about 50-50 territory-wiseOct 09 02:23
schestowitz-TRwest germany was twice as bigOct 09 02:23
XRevan86schestowitz: It was, but there's a catch.Oct 09 02:23
schestowitz-TRthey catch youOct 09 02:24
schestowitz-TRyhey kill youOct 09 02:24
XRevan86 09 02:24
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XRevan86schestowitz: This is how Germany was *actually* divided.Oct 09 02:25
schestowitz 09 02:25
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XRevan86France got a pie, which is an amazing feat of Western Ally diplomacy :)Oct 09 02:25
schestowitz-TRback then the "vakias" were togetherOct 09 02:26
schestowitz-TRcologneOct 09 02:26
schestowitz-TRstill frenchyOct 09 02:26
XRevan86> The four zones were agreed by the United States, United Kingdom and Soviet Union at the February 1945 Yalta Conference, setting aside an earlier division into three zones (excluding France) proposed by the September 1944 London Protocol.Oct 09 02:27
schestowitz-TRnow it's mostly the US keeping a share of those pieOct 09 02:27
schestowitz-TRby proxyOct 09 02:27
schestowitz-TRlike lots of ilitary bases in italy and germanyOct 09 02:27
schestowitz-TRstillOct 09 02:27
schestowitz-TRso it was divided into four, like japan..Oct 09 02:28
schestowitz-TRexcept witihout it being large islandsOct 09 02:28
schestowitzHokkaido, Honshu, Shikoku, and KyushuOct 09 02:29
XRevan86Ah, the French zone is taken from the initially agreed UK and US zones.Oct 09 02:29
XRevan86That explains why East Germany was 1/2 of West Germany and not 1/3Oct 09 02:30
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XRevan86leah: Sore it :)Oct 09 02:33
MinceRmore pictures of spaghetti! more pictures of spaghetti!Oct 09 02:34
XRevan86saw→sore before another word that starts with a vowel is a British thing.Oct 09 02:34
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leahmy favourite is the old man who asks for " website"Oct 09 02:35
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schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: not just redditOct 09 02:36
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schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: I dumped thelayoff.comOct 09 02:36
schestowitz-TRthey censor too mucOct 09 02:37
schestowitz-TRthey censored before, but now they do it in bulkOct 09 02:37
schestowitz-TRit's disguisingOct 09 02:37
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schestowitz-TRone moment you see a post, then it is goneOct 09 02:37
schestowitz-TRI cannot support a site like thatOct 09 02:37
schestowitz-TRshaping public opinion by silencing some peopleOct 09 02:38
schestowitz-TRbased on the poltiics and beliefs of the site's moderatorsOct 09 02:38
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XRevan86leah: Haven't noticed you doing it (or not doing it, didn't catch a suitable condition in the bit I've listened to), but regardless your pronunciation is very clearly UK :)Oct 09 02:39
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XRevan86leah: Hmm, "momths", I don't know if that's strictly a British thing, but I've only heard British people mispronounce "months" like that.Oct 09 02:41
schestowitz"fs"Oct 09 02:41
XRevan86"mispronounce" is a strong word, I know.Oct 09 02:41
schestowitzmOnfffsOct 09 02:41
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schestowitz-TRXRevan86: more swallowingOct 09 02:42
XRevan86schestowitz: That is a Cockney trait what ye mention, but I point out the "m" instead of "n".Oct 09 02:42
schestowitz-TRpeople here swallow words a loOct 09 02:42
schestowitz-TR*lotOct 09 02:42
leah"do a barrel roll"Oct 09 02:42
schestowitz-TRUS south slows it down and sings itOct 09 02:42
leahthat one had me in stitchesOct 09 02:42
XRevan86leah: I do a full stop after "barrel", I'm not sure if that sounds native or not.Oct 09 02:43
schestowitz-TRto me what matter is clarifyOct 09 02:43
schestowitz-TRnot just to localsOct 09 02:43
XRevan86When I do full stops I feel like I sound Russian.Oct 09 02:43
schestowitz-TR"whooo?"Oct 09 02:43
schestowitz-TR"whaaaaa?"Oct 09 02:43
schestowitz-TR"may" (mate)Oct 09 02:44
schestowitz-TRto people outside the country it makes no sense, and maybe that's partly the intentionOct 09 02:44
schestowitz-TRfooooOct 09 02:44
XRevan86leah: The bit with "momths" is 7:57Oct 09 02:44
schestowitz-TRin memeland "fuuuuuu" is a jokeOct 09 02:44
schestowitz-TRhere some people still pronnounce it like thisOct 09 02:44
schestowitz-TRno c or k or ck at allOct 09 02:45
schestowitz-TRjust "fo"Oct 09 02:45
MinceR 09 02:45
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leah"facebook"Oct 09 02:45
schestowitz-TRMinceR: I remember thatOct 09 02:46
XRevan86leah: The t's are very British: they go from a very clear "t" to a kind of swallowed "t", I'm not sure what that's called.Oct 09 02:46
schestowitz-TRbri-hishOct 09 02:46
XRevan86Americans cheat the t's but they do it differently (flap t).Oct 09 02:46
schestowitz-TRbwihishOct 09 02:46
schestowitz-TRmaybe you can drop the sh tooOct 09 02:47
schestowitz-TRbwihi personOct 09 02:47
schestowitz-TRpretty?Oct 09 02:47
schestowitz-TRno mai (mate)Oct 09 02:47
XRevan86schestowitz: No, leah would say "bri/t/ish", but in "boot" it would be something else.Oct 09 02:47
schestowitz-TRbuuwwwOct 09 02:48
XRevan86"we would basically want to contax the FSF again"Oct 09 02:48
schestowitz-TRleah: you're supposed to say "boycott gnu" AFTER getting an FSF award :-)Oct 09 02:49
schestowitz-TRnot beforeOct 09 02:49
schestowitz-TRthat's the traditionOct 09 02:49
schestowitz-TRkuhn, deb, de icaza, de raadtOct 09 02:49
schestowitz-TRi forgot mjg59_Oct 09 02:50
schestowitz-TRthe fake freedom guyOct 09 02:50
schestowitz-TRwhite is the new blackOct 09 02:50
XRevan868:30 – here "boot" is practically "booʔ"Oct 09 02:51
techrights-news"No matter your ultimate lean on politics, you have to admit it’s pretty strange to sit with the knowledge that OAN, a conservative news network, was effectively funded by AT&T, right?" 09 02:51
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schestowitz-TRXRevan86: I always utter the TsOct 09 02:52
XRevan86> to a kind of swallowed "t", I'm not sure what that's called.Oct 09 02:52
XRevan86When I heard it at 8:30, I realised it's a full-on glottal stop.Oct 09 02:52
schestowitz-TRswallowing limits your audienceOct 09 02:53
schestowitz-TRjust like doing a talk in germany does...Oct 09 02:53
MinceRthat's what she said.Oct 09 02:53
schestowitz-TRshe spoke in tonguesOct 09 02:53
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techrights-news"I've promised a Linux From Scratch series for a very long time and I've kept putting it off but we're finally here and I'm finally ready to hate my life." #gnu #linuxOct 09 02:55
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schestowitz"Whitney joined TLAV to discuss her recent article on Moderna, as well as our previous discussion around your anonymity and privacy, and how these concepts are on the way out in lieu of a “reimagining” of our world where these concepts are a burden on the system; a system in which “you own nothing and you have never been happier” – or so we are aggressively told – known as The Great Reset. " Oct 09 02:55
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XRevan86schestowitz: Opened a random video and got an example :)Oct 09 02:55
XRevan86 7:06Oct 09 02:55
leahwell, that video was a trip. it really made my day. i only just found it todayOct 09 02:55
XRevan86schestowitz: Here ye say the word "sitting" twice, listen carefully to the second time ye say it.Oct 09 02:55
leahschestowitz: i don't care about awardsOct 09 02:56
leahi don't need permission to feel accomplishmentOct 09 02:56
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leahi just need to accomplish my dreams, and walk away with all the moneyOct 09 02:56
leah:POct 09 02:56
leahmost of the people who get that award don't deserve it or are just mehOct 09 02:57
activelowawards are a burdenOct 09 02:57
leahalyssa rosenzweig is a recent rare exception. she does amazing work and got the fsf free software award this year. this is the founder of the Panfrost projectOct 09 02:57
leahbut thenOct 09 02:57
leahon the dark side of thatOct 09 02:57
leahmjg59_ got the award onceOct 09 02:57
leah:POct 09 02:57
leahi don't think people need an award. an award is a kick of dopamine that lasts very little timeOct 09 02:58
leahthe only thing you need to do is to continue doing what you want to do, every day, and don't worry about everyone else. if others find you useful, then you are useful, but you're not doing it for themOct 09 02:58
XRevan86schestowitz, leah: Anyway, both of you have clear English that it's easy to understand.Oct 09 02:58
XRevan86* that isOct 09 02:58
leahboth?Oct 09 02:58
leahwho is the other besides me?Oct 09 02:58
XRevan86leah: schestowitz also went on a journey of pronunciation introspection :)Oct 09 02:59
leahschestowitz: anyway, i know the value of my work. i don't need an "award" to tell me i'm doing good workOct 09 02:59
leahthere was a time in my life where i tried to live up to other people's expectations. it didn't go so well. i know i'm doing good work when i'm happy on a personal levelOct 09 02:59
MinceR09 035407 <~schestowitz> Laura Tucker spamming agin 09 03:00
MinceRsave even more by not buying itOct 09 03:00
leahschestowitz: and i also abandoned my gnu boycott in 2017, and am currently trying to get libreboot back into gnuOct 09 03:00
leahhave been trying for yearsOct 09 03:00
leahmy relations with fsf these days are greatOct 09 03:01
activelowleah: what do you think of u-boot loader?Oct 09 03:01
leahi talk to individual staff and rms regularlyOct 09 03:01
XRevan86schestowitz is easier to confuse for a non-British accent bearer, because Northern English accents are not as recognisable as they don't have that many traits shared with RP.Oct 09 03:01
schestowitz 09 03:01
activelowto my knowledge core/libreboot target IBM Wintel PC mostly - and i have given up on them, not because of libreboot, because of IBM Wintel PCOct 09 03:02
XRevan86Except that schestowitz used to drop H's, but in this video I'm listening to he doesn't do that.Oct 09 03:02
XRevan86schestowitz: Is that an active effort?Oct 09 03:02
leahschestowitz: there's a graphic i want to share with you, from xkcd, to illustrate what i'm talking aboutOct 09 03:03
XRevan86leah: found an aricleOct 09 03:03
leahschestowitz: 09 03:04
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leahthe 2003 guy doesn't get an awardOct 09 03:04
activelowsame sad story with Guix, which i found recently it maintains toolchain bootstrapping with x86 assembly; it's sad because of x86, not guix itselfOct 09 03:04
leahthe 2003 person in that illustration is just doing their job, and doing it happilyOct 09 03:04
leahthat's how everyone should be. don't wait for someone to tell you you did good. just keep doing good, and keep trying to be better, while expecting nothing in returnOct 09 03:05
*XRevan86 is done analysing speech :).Oct 09 03:05
leahthe media whores like garret are the ones that get all the awards, while the rest of us do actual fucking work all day :POct 09 03:05
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leahi'm more like the 2003 person. in fact, i look up to that 2003 person. the random person from nebraska thanklessly maintaining a critical project since 2003Oct 09 03:07
leahthat's how everyone should act. just do their jobsOct 09 03:07
*XRevan86 writes down: leah looks up to Ariadne.Oct 09 03:08
leahif you have more than 10,000 twitter followers, you're probably not interestingOct 09 03:09
XRevan86"we also haf"  (12:49)– okay, one more: I noticed that after British speakers.Oct 09 03:11
schestowitz-TRAriadne: around?Oct 09 03:12
activelowi am not aware of any other distro than GNU/Guix who bootstrap gcc toolchain from assembly (except some 8/16bit microcontroller fringe elsewhere)Oct 09 03:13
activelowGNU chose x86 for this, similar to core/libreboot focus on that platformOct 09 03:14
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DaemonFCVivaldi 4.3 is out.Oct 09 03:18
DaemonFCStill no ads in the address bar. B-)Oct 09 03:18
DaemonFCMozilla will be implementing those soon.Oct 09 03:18
DaemonFCDebian needs to replace Firefox with something else or figure out some way of disabling this.Oct 09 03:19
XRevan86leah: Around the 14 minute mark ye consistently started saying "boots" for "boot", and I don't know what to attribute that to.Oct 09 03:19
MinceRwhy would debian care?Oct 09 03:19
DaemonFCOr just drop the Mozilla branding and disable this if they have to. Go back to Iceweasel.Oct 09 03:19
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activelowthe freedom gap between 8/16bit GPL realm and 32bit one is hugeOct 09 03:28
activelowin the 8/16bit realm, the OS itself fully implements hardware init "basic i/o system"; written in asmOct 09 03:29
schestowitz-TRleah: agree with everything you said about that awardOct 09 03:30
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schestowitzthey can become a liabilityOct 09 03:31
activelowi suspect the 32bit evolution of *nix was burried below the remains of the at&t and unix warsOct 09 03:31
schestowitzEPO example: 09 03:31
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XRevan86leah: It fits the palatalisation sound change somewhat, but that's iffy. "boot"→"boots" is an interesting sound shift.Oct 09 03:32
schestowitzXRevan86: Boots and Cats - Invidious ⚓ Oct 09 03:33
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schestowitzboot and bootsOct 09 03:33
schestowitzEnglish (EN) accentOct 09 03:33
XRevan86(01:48:33) XRevan86: "we would basically want to contax the FSF again"Oct 09 03:34
XRevan86There's that slight s-ness.Oct 09 03:34
XRevan86schestowitz: hehOct 09 03:35
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XRevan86leah: The best way to describe it I can think of is T-affricatisationOct 09 03:42
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XRevan86* T-affricationOct 09 03:56
XRevan86> though technically i'm a northerner, but i've lived in essex since i was a kidOct 09 04:00
XRevan86leah: By any chance… not from Liverpool?Oct 09 04:00
XRevan86Because I cannot find this happening in English anywhere but in this article: 09 04:01
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XRevan86It's a form of opening lenition.Oct 09 04:02
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XRevan86I did learn technical things from the leah's presentation also, I thought Libreboot is a fork of coreboot akin to Linux-libre but it's more of a toolchain.Oct 09 04:15
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leahXRevan86: yeah i regard it as a coreboot distroOct 09 04:27
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leahdistro in the same way that debian is a gnu+linux distroOct 09 04:27
leahXRevan86: and no, not liverpool. in fact, i've never set foot thereOct 09 04:27
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XRevan86leah: I've got nothing then :). It's not known for Essex, maybe it's just your personal pronunciation trait.Oct 09 04:30
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activelowwhat is the difference to coreboot, besides deleteing .git folders, firmware, and config?Oct 09 04:32
activeloware any changes from libreboot merged into coreboot?Oct 09 04:33
XRevan86leah and I: Libreboot is not a fork of corebootOct 09 04:33
XRevan86Meanwhile, activelow: Is Libreboot fork changes being upstreamed?Oct 09 04:34
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activelowdon't know, last time i hacked some amd agesa parts i remained on an older coreboot branch, and wasn't happy with the result finally.Oct 09 04:36
activelowthe build system of coreboot was maintained sufficientlyOct 09 04:37
activelowam3 kept crashing, and bricking cpus (although below their ratings, probably some hiddon option for any voltage regulator)...Oct 09 04:38
activelowcould rant day and night about thisOct 09 04:38
activelowthousands of pages, verfied and checked everything - crash, reboot, another crash once or twice, cpu deadOct 09 04:39
activelowdumped registers, debugged the spaghetti code and ifdef cascades... i gave upOct 09 04:40
activelowbtw. documentation of libreboot, almost forgot, it's not trivial, to have thatOct 09 04:41
activelowleah: in comparison u-boot loader was relatively sane, once DRAM init was liberated and some blob fully replaced with an opensource ATFOct 09 04:43
activelowi'll not look back to any x86 for this reason aloneOct 09 04:43
leahoh, yeah uboot is greatOct 09 04:45
leahXRevan86: i mask my voice in talksOct 09 04:47
leahand also on the phone. for some reason i also do it when talking to americansOct 09 04:47
leahif i didn't do that, you wouldn't be able to understand meOct 09 04:47
leahanywayOct 09 04:49
leahthere's no reason libreboot has to only integrate corebootOct 09 04:49
leahand in the future, coreboot might not even be the main focusOct 09 04:49
activelowgreatOct 09 04:49
leahit is a boot firmware distributionOct 09 04:49
leahit is not intended to be an upstream project eitherOct 09 04:50
leahit's the debian of boot firmwareOct 09 04:50
activelowi'll not touch any x86(64) with or without librebootOct 09 04:52
activelowand, ironically, what i had seen with coreboot is one reason among othersOct 09 04:53
activelowamd agesa in particular - no thanks, neither opensource nor closed sourceOct 09 04:53
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activelowseems progress was made with native graphics init on intel, coolOct 09 05:10
leahi'm trying to get a dedicated fibre connectionOct 09 05:10
activelowthe 200KiB mrc.bin is *huge*, as a reference a fuzixOS kernel fits into 8KiB;Oct 09 05:10
activelowi'm trying to avoid to need any fibre connectionOct 09 05:11
activelowanway, no way to know what the mrc.bin does; as another reference a cortex-m0 atf.bin is 200KiB in size too, and does various things besides dram init; it's not just some static data table in those 200KiB.Oct 09 05:14
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leahschestowitz: that thing you said the other day about doing git over gemini is interesting. i've been meaning to ask you more about thatOct 09 05:35
leahactivelow: yeah x86 is a dead-endOct 09 05:35
activelowmost ARM SoC are not free and open either, RISC-V isn't, concerning a fully free and open SoC including hardware description schematicsOct 09 05:41
activelowand those free hardware SoC designs with sufficient performance almost always can only be deployed to Altera or Xilinx (proprietary hardware)Oct 09 05:42
activelowz80 and similar with fuzixos is where i arrived at as on option, i couldn't fully review yetOct 09 05:42
activelowthat's my grievance with FSF, they argue theirs was a distinct concern of "free software", which is a lieOct 09 05:45
activelowguix documents and implements some toolchain bootstrapping (gcc) from asm, for x86, and at that front it is dead end tooOct 09 05:46
activeloweven if a fully free mips32 SoC was deployed, at least 32bit, the toolchain bootstrapping remains an open question for this (see guix info pages what they did for x86)Oct 09 05:48
activelowsince FSF does endorse guix (with some very specific things included, the full distro isn't as interersting), i speculate the FSF does know, they are fully awareOct 09 05:53
activelowand, the guix info page, mentions gcc-2.95 as a release artifact to create from x86-asm, until today (if it wasn't updated elsewhere)Oct 09 05:56
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schestowitz-TRleah: I'm backOct 09 06:58
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activelowsorry, couldn't cool down, this insanity and lies is triggered psychosisOct 09 07:14
activelowschestowitz-TR: i don't take any office in temporary +q (silence)Oct 09 07:14
schestowitz-TRchannel mods don't changeOct 09 07:15
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activelowok, this server got no individual user mode for this. it's just, whenever such insanity hits, this gets anyone sane off-track, mentally.Oct 09 07:27
activelowthis is what they want.Oct 09 07:27
schestowitz-TRwho?Oct 09 07:29
activelowi think this court case is a political construct, it is proxied. it is a scam.Oct 09 07:30
schestowitz-TRyes, well...Oct 09 07:30
leahactivelow: the x86 bubble will burstOct 09 07:30
schestowitz-TRlast month I came to the final conclusion contacting German politicians isn't worth the timeOct 09 07:30
schestowitz-TRthey won't get anything doneOct 09 07:30
schestowitz-TRthey work for lobbyistsOct 09 07:30
leahschestowitz-TR: further to our conversation about brexit, i decided on a whim to write a blog post about it. not a long one, because i always get bored and only write about 20% of what i want to writeOct 09 07:31
leahschestowitz-TR: anyway, here: 09 07:31
activelownot at least the addresses do match, nor did the court follow my demand to clearly identify the legal entities, which is a basic principle, without which any case is void.Oct 09 07:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Leah Rowe's Sleepless Rants – Free tradeOct 09 07:31
leahit actually isn't brexit-related, but the subject is briefly mentioned in that article, and the article should hopefully explain to you my viewsOct 09 07:31
*schestowitz-TR looksOct 09 07:32
leahi wouldn't say i'm rightwing, but i do have libertarian views, and the EU sucksOct 09 07:33
schestowitz-TRCouncil of Ministers -- yesOct 09 07:33
schestowitz-TRzoobab talks a lot about theseOct 09 07:33
leahit's the exact opposite of what i outline in that articleOct 09 07:33
schestowitz-TRregarding repairs and hadrware changes, psydroid2 knows bestOct 09 07:33
leahthough lately i've been disgusted by our labour partyOct 09 07:33
schestowitz-TRcounterpoint though is, the british authoritires aren't the lesser evilOct 09 07:34
schestowitz-TRthey're local, but not less evilOct 09 07:34
leahyeah they're just as power hungry as the EUOct 09 07:34
schestowitz-TRstill power-hungry and controlled by the richOct 09 07:34
schestowitz-TReven rich saudis who lob off women's heads in the streetsOct 09 07:34
leahour conservative party could be so much better. as it currently stands, i wouldn't ever join it. they're evil, and power hungryOct 09 07:34
leahbut there are people in it who i likeOct 09 07:35
schestowitz-TRthere are ways to limit or restrict their powerOct 09 07:35
schestowitz-TRempowering media is oneOct 09 07:35
schestowitz-TRanything bad they do needs to be exposedOct 09 07:35
leahUk and EU both suckOct 09 07:35
activelowi feel it is mostly group-dynamics with them, political parties, which resembles psycho sectarian cultsOct 09 07:35
schestowitz-TRthe consolidation of media had led the EPO bribe and blackmail the pressOct 09 07:35
schestowitz-TRwith very obvious evidence of crime, nobody in the press will cover thatOct 09 07:35
activelowsome labels applied, labor this, social that, eco, liberal whatnot, it is shallow marketing to appeal to different target audience onlyOct 09 07:36
leahi think the whole system in the UK needs to be torn down and re-builtOct 09 07:37
schestowitz-TRthe oligachs don't let those things just happentOct 09 07:37
activelowhere is the trick, for example, "liberal" free market and "socialist" do not contradict each other, it is a complement. free market proponents suck out cash at stock exchange, and socialists seek taxation of it, which depends on each other, and doesn't contradict as they argue.Oct 09 07:37
schestowitz-TRthey might FAKE it happeningOct 09 07:37
schestowitz-TRlike remove another dictator to install anotherOct 09 07:37
schestowitz-TRas happened in the US this past JanuaryOct 09 07:37
leahgovernment's only job is to efficiently provide public services (healthcare, schools etc) and to provide some kind of dispute mechanism for businessesOct 09 07:38
leahbut it should get out of people's livesOct 09 07:38
leahthe purpose of the state basically is to help people and provide the services they need, with good value for moneyOct 09 07:38
leahthe one we have in the UK is overbearing. it has too much powerOct 09 07:38
leahbut the EU's is worseOct 09 07:39
leahnow that we left the EU, we can start to reform the UKOct 09 07:39
schestowitz-TRleah: the Tories are, in general, hostile to people like youOct 09 07:39
schestowitz-TRboth the parties and the votersOct 09 07:39
leahyepOct 09 07:39
schestowitz-TRthis isn't some identity politics partisanshipOct 09 07:39
schestowitz-TRthose are the factsOct 09 07:39
schestowitz-TRtorygraphOct 09 07:39
schestowitz-TRand the magazine whose editor became our Pry MinisterOct 09 07:39
leahbut i've been analyzing my political views in recent yearsOct 09 07:39
schestowitz-TRthey inciteOct 09 07:39
leahand i'm closer to the tories politically. but they are authoritarian, not libertarian.  i have libertarian viewsOct 09 07:40
schestowitz-TRthey deflect from the oligarchyOct 09 07:40
leahi think all the parties in the UK need to be smashedOct 09 07:40
leahbuild new ones upOct 09 07:40
schestowitz-TRinstead blaming gays, which isn't fashionable and P-C anymore, so they find another set of groupsOct 09 07:40
leahthat are closer to what peoples ideals areOct 09 07:40
schestowitz-TRthose existedOct 09 07:41
schestowitz-TRmedia buried themOct 09 07:41
schestowitz-TRexcept maybe RTOct 09 07:41
schestowitz-TRbut RT has its rogue mission tooOct 09 07:41
schestowitz-TRyou don't want to appear on RT, everOct 09 07:41
leahswitzerlandOct 09 07:42
leahswitzerland's political system is very good, and much closer to what i wantOct 09 07:42
schestowitz-TRyesOct 09 07:42
schestowitz-TRremember they didn't let women vote until like the 70s :/Oct 09 07:43
leahit's very decentralized, extremely democratic, but also highly stable and gives people exactly what they wantOct 09 07:43
schestowitz-TRwhich is... weirdOct 09 07:43
schestowitz-TRthey also have compulsory "learn-howt-kill-people" service [sic] Oct 09 07:43
leahthe past is the past. focus on the present, and on the futureOct 09 07:43
schestowitz-TRwe'll cover switzerland in techrights this weekOct 09 07:44
schestowitz-TRtoday we focus on Luxembourg Oct 09 07:44
leahnothing is perfect. note how i said: it's closer to what i wantOct 09 07:44
leahi didn't say it's exactly what i want ;)Oct 09 07:44
leahschestowitz-TR: remember the harry potter sorting hat analogy that i made?Oct 09 07:45
schestowitz-TRnoOct 09 07:45
schestowitz-TRI remember potter somethingOct 09 07:46
leahwhen the hat tells harry that he'd do well in slitherin (analogous to our conservative party)Oct 09 07:46
leahbut harry goes with his heart and chooses griffindor (analagous to our labour party)Oct 09 07:46
leahi'm like harryOct 09 07:46
activelowmany males couldn't vote before either, introduction of a voting system had to begin somewhere somehow, without offending aristocrats too muchOct 09 07:46
leahi'd probably be in the tory party if i wasn't transOct 09 07:46
activelowmodern voting system was introduced rather late, with all voters' voices recognised with equal weightOct 09 07:47
leahthe legacy of "section 28" permanently puts me off. those same sorts of bigots still run itOct 09 07:47
leahwhat scares me is that there's nothing better, and everyone else is worseOct 09 07:48
activelowit's a misnomer women suffrage was an exclusive issue of women, because many males couldn't vote eitherOct 09 07:48
leahthe left parties (labour, greens) are much more authoritarian, and end up making everything worse generally, whenever they're in powerOct 09 07:49
activelowit isn't true only women didn't have any banking account, many males had not eitherOct 09 07:49
leahlabour will build hospitals and schools, but try to take over businesses and run them into the groundOct 09 07:50
activelow"labour" is a marketing label, similar to distinguishing pepsi from coca colaOct 09 07:51
activelowto appeal to target audience, it's shallowOct 09 07:51
activelowit's a utilityOct 09 07:51
activeloware there any greens in UK?Oct 09 07:53
leahthere areOct 09 07:53
leahtrouble is, our voting system means that the UK is a 2-party state Oct 09 07:54
leahit's like the american oneOct 09 07:54
leahsimilarOct 09 07:54
leahand because of that, we always have a permanently authoritarian state, because politicians know they'll stay in power, or be back in power a few years laterOct 09 07:55
kingoffrance" free market proponents suck out cash at stock exchange, and socialists seek taxation of it, which depends on each other, and doesn't contradict as they argue."   lol thats not wrongOct 09 07:56
kingoffranceonce you have national debt, its all.....on mortgage..........Oct 09 07:56
kingoffranceits all....meaning people as wellOct 09 07:56
leahbtwOct 09 07:57
kingoffrancecash used to be specie, so its credit and bonds :)Oct 09 07:57
kingoffranceagain, no contradiction :)Oct 09 07:57
leahthe government and the state are two different thingsOct 09 07:57
kingoffranceyou can end "money" and keep "capitalism" going, just redefine "capital"  (this did happen in u.s.a -- see moody "masters of capital" 1920-ish)Oct 09 07:57
kingoffrancecold hard cashOct 09 07:58
kingoffranceit used to be metalOct 09 07:58
kingoffrancegot redefined :)Oct 09 07:58
kingoffranceneither cold nor hard anymore :)Oct 09 07:58
leahthe state is a larger apparatus comprosing the judiciary, the military, public/private sector, basically it's the whole package. it's the machine that runs your life, and it's always thereOct 09 07:58
leahit's also what gives you schools and hospitalsOct 09 07:58
leahgovernment is more like a driver at the steering wheel, influencing the stateOct 09 07:59
kingoffrancesorry to interrupt.  you are not wrong activelow :)Oct 09 07:59
leahbut the levers of the state are still there when your government falls, if the state is stable. in western democracies, the state is very stableOct 09 07:59
leahsometimes the state is less definedOct 09 07:59
leahwe're actively discouraged from thinking about this distinctionOct 09 08:02
leahbecause the state is where power is executedOct 09 08:02
leahgovernment takes all the blame or credit for everything. but it's all the stateOct 09 08:02
leahyou are often permitted to change your government, but never the stateOct 09 08:03
leahwhenever a state develops, it tends to get violent if challengedOct 09 08:03
kingoffrancemakes sense, that distinction i mean. machinery versus those running itOct 09 08:03
leahit has to be that way, or you will have anarchyOct 09 08:04
kingoffranceamerica tried to say, long time ago, people were the state, there was no separate state, but that doesnt fit modern (see wikipedia) definitoin, state as "juridicial person" which matches your definitionOct 09 08:04
leahand anarchy is great, but it's a riskOct 09 08:04
kingoffrancebasically same reason "king" was a "person" (office)Oct 09 08:04
kingoffranceto allow for perpetual successionOct 09 08:04
kingoffrancesame as a "corporation"Oct 09 08:04
leahand it doesn't really lastOct 09 08:04
kingoffranceall the "persons" "offices"Oct 09 08:04
kingoffrancelike the "state" in your termsOct 09 08:05
kingoffrancewith people occupying the  different offices/persons  being "government"Oct 09 08:05
kingoffrancethe other way to say that:  "state" (juridicial person) is  ever-shifting shorthand for some particular governmentOct 09 08:05
kingoffrancei mean, that was what ancient america tried to sayOct 09 08:06
kingoffrancesame way "king" is just shorthand for "whoever is king"Oct 09 08:06
kingoffranceanyhow, agree 100% was same with monarchyOct 09 08:06
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kingoffranceits why you get "persons" no matter whatOct 09 08:07
leahyeah, well i want the state to be decentralized, and democraticOct 09 08:08
leahgoverned collectivelyOct 09 08:09
activelowdemocracy is misunderstood almost always, as mob rule or dictatorship of any majority, which isn't democracyOct 09 08:09
leahthe british state is undemocratic. it's actually autocratic, but we get to choose our government: labour party, or conservative partyOct 09 08:10
leahand other countries have something similarOct 09 08:10
leahthe problem is that the state is too big. the more power you give someone, the harder they hold onto itOct 09 08:11
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leahin fact, you may sometimes hear the term "head of state"Oct 09 08:12
leahbut this kind of position is usually meaningless. the term itself is misleadingOct 09 08:13
leahdamnOct 09 08:13
leahnow i need to write another blog articleOct 09 08:14
techrights-newsiophk: just as 20+ years ago, #Microsoft was blaming "Linux people" for their security holes 09 08:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ #microsoft is again blaming "RUSSIA" for Microsoft's own bugs and back doors. This is typical deflection, wherein Microsoft inflames racism and tensions... for profit. Oct 09 08:16
kingoffranceamerica used to say no separate "state" is how you get that joke:  A nation in which, the thing governing and the thing  governed being the same, there is only a permitted authority to  enforce an optional obedienceOct 09 08:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ republicOct 09 08:16
leahthe state is what controls you. and the government controls the stateOct 09 08:17
kingoffranceand that joke follows:   The rabble is like the sacred  Simurgh, of Arabian fable -- omnipotent on condition that it do  nothing. Oct 09 08:17
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leahsometimes, the state can exist without a governmentOct 09 08:17
kingoffrancesorry lolOct 09 08:17
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activelowwith the system in place, government authority is mostly limited to *propose* legislation to parliament, which debates and decides upon itOct 09 08:18
activelowwith recent german election of national parliament it wasn't at least possible to distinguish what would be proposed next, except for increased energy pricesOct 09 08:20
activelowand now this must be sold to the population for whatever good this shall serveOct 09 08:21
activelowit was interesting to note Russians are blamed now because of "increasing prices for gas", which is a propaganda lie for all i knowOct 09 08:21
activelowwhat increased wasn't the price for gas, it was the reseller surplus and taxation which comes close to 90% of the total costs in europeOct 09 08:22
leahactually, europe is a perfect example to demonstrate the concept of a stateOct 09 08:23
leahthe EU didn't exist until the 1992 maastricht treaty that signed it into law, by treaty. it replaced the EC (European Community), which was a loose trade federationOct 09 08:24
kingoffranceyes was reading wikipedia, different theories of state.     hegelian "spiritual entity"   and some kind of legalistic/chartered ...which is a fancy way of saying conjured into existenceOct 09 08:25
leaheuropean commission, council of ministers, court of justice, central bank and others: combined, these form the state that is the united states of europeOct 09 08:25
kingoffrancei mean, i put those the same :)Oct 09 08:25
activelowno, economic coordination existed before (Montanunion, union of coal and steel), 1951Oct 09 08:26
leahyesOct 09 08:26
kingoffrancethe general idea is modern state was juridicial person, but still no 100% agreementOct 09 08:26
kingoffrancethat was just the most popular modern, was how i read itOct 09 08:26
leahbut it didn't exist beforeOct 09 08:26
leahbut now it doesOct 09 08:26
leaha new state formedOct 09 08:26
kingoffrancewikipedia, sovereign state, calls it "documentality" i say its same as "spiritual entity"Oct 09 08:29
kingoffranceusing the paperwork to conjure :)Oct 09 08:30
techrights-newsThe #billBC insinuates it "doesn't matter" if #uk is not "Europe's covid hotspot." Remember #bbc takes bribes from an enabler of Jeffrey Epstein, #billgates , so clearly nothing was learned since the BBC's cover-up for Jimmy Savile (until posthumously).Oct 09 08:31
kingoffranceit exists, because there is documentation claiming it does, you seeOct 09 08:35
kingoffrancecircular definition :)Oct 09 08:35
activelowi had listened to EU official talks too often, there is little to no respect remaining for this anymoreOct 09 08:35
techrights-newsPatrick Breyer: "Social [control] networks are competing for users’ attention…" - ⚓ ䷉ #pbreyer #de #germanyOct 09 08:35
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activelowa recent one which pushed beyond limits of agitation and propaganda was EU court claiming absolute authority, almost god likeOct 09 08:38
activelowwhen german supreme court investigated ECB decisions, and if these were in compliance with EU *contracts*, which these weren'tOct 09 08:38
activelowEU court of justice doesn't decide upon contracts, it had to oversee and ensure complianceOct 09 08:39
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activelowin fact german supreme court didn't claim any authority, it only allowed for investigating compliance with contractsOct 09 08:42
activelowwhich isn't any violation, it is the duty of the courtOct 09 08:42
activelowif contracts were violated, then these had to be negotiated, and not simply overruled by some mob in ECB headquarter FrankfurtOct 09 08:43
activelowand negotiating contracts isn't the duty of EU supreme court either, nor that of ECB, it is the authority of national governments and parliaments and their delegates of EUOct 09 08:44
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techrights-news'Reverse show-off': people who show off about being (pseudo) humble when they're in fact rich or just pretending to be rich. #billgates is one of those sociopaths, predatory profiteers in disguise. Stealing while pretending to be 'humble'... and paying the media to perpetuate this false image.Oct 09 08:55
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leahi think i just nailed itOct 09 10:41
leahi kept trying to do a video the other day, of the chip swap, and kept failing to do a video that didn't suckOct 09 10:41
leahthis one i think is the oneOct 09 10:42
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DaemonFCThe more I think about it, in Fallout New Vegas, the Mr. House ending should probably be canonical.Oct 09 10:58
DaemonFCEither House or the player upgrading the securitrons into the army, killing House, and taking over and driving out the NCR and Caesar's Legion.Oct 09 10:59
DaemonFCWhether the player kills House and assumes control of a strong and independent Vegas or lets House stay in and run things, it's better than the NCR or Legion endings. The Legion runs on top of a slave army, suppresses technology, and imposes capital punishment for minor offenses, including homosexuality. Humanity would suffer and becomes stagnant under them.Oct 09 11:01
DaemonFCThe New California Republic isn't a slave army, but they do want to conquer everything and expand and tax, and so it would end up being much like the United States, which was the main reason that World War 3 happened in the first place. And it's clear that they have almost no understanding of high techonology stuff at all because they struggle to even turn Hoover Dam or Helios One on. Unless the player intervenes, they can only figure out how Oct 09 11:03
DaemonFCto run Hoover Dam at 50% and run Helios One at 1% of potential electric output, because they have some idiot there spouting treknobabble at the government people, who don't even realize he's a fraud.Oct 09 11:03
DaemonFCIf the player does succeed in getting Helios One running for the NCR, the con artist takes all the credit immediately, and most of the power gets routed back to California where it won't help Vegas or the surrounding slums.Oct 09 11:04
DaemonFCThe Mr. House ending is the best, because he has a lot of points. Democracies failed and caused the war and ruined the planet the first time around, and he actually is a genius who saw the war coming and saved Vegas while the government didn't see it until the end and only managed to continue through continuity plans involving becoming the Enclave. House says put him in charge and he'll reignite the technology sector and get people back to Oct 09 11:07
DaemonFCmodern life in 20 years, and colonizing other worlds in 100.Oct 09 11:07
DaemonFCschestowitz, It's just bizarre how science fiction timelines of the 21st century predicted something similar to what's going on now.Oct 09 11:09
DaemonFCThe failures of western democracies. The economic problems. The rise of anti-democratic forces and the threat of a third world war.Oct 09 11:10
DaemonFCI think it's clear at this point we're looking at another cold war at best.Oct 09 11:10
DaemonFCHoping it doesn't turn into a shooting war.Oct 09 11:11
activelowDaemonFC: energy prices. gas prices exploded in europe.Oct 09 11:11
DaemonFCI don't think that the US is in any sort of a position to intervene like it did in the second world war.Oct 09 11:12
DaemonFCAt best, it can defend its own territory with the threat of a devastating nuclear attack if invaded.Oct 09 11:12
DaemonFCactivelow, Yes, natural gas is getting very expensive here.Oct 09 11:12
DaemonFCThey're saying if your home uses it for heat, your energy bill this winter will be godawful.Oct 09 11:13
activelowDaemonFC: i'll not turn on heating, and keep shower output at lowest outputOct 09 11:13
DaemonFCAnyway, the US and the UK blew the wad on the middle east and enabled the rise of China with these damned trade policies that made us pushovers.Oct 09 11:13
DaemonFCSo we're too weak to fight now.Oct 09 11:14
DaemonFCEspecially given that we'd be up against a fairly modern military as soon as China wants to start rolling over the borders with the surrounding nations and annexing them.Oct 09 11:14
DaemonFC<activelow> DaemonFC: i'll not turn on heating, and keep shower output at lowest outputOct 09 11:16
DaemonFCYeah, we usually just keep it high enough that the pipes don't burst and layer up.Oct 09 11:16
activelowthe knob is set to freezing protection of causeOct 09 11:17
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DaemonFCSo they rolled a newer Chomium and fixed some other issues while they were at it.Oct 09 11:19
DaemonFCactivelow, I sent our new lease back to the landlord with the increased rent starting next month.Oct 09 11:21
DaemonFCI'm just glad ours didn't go up more than it did.Oct 09 11:21
DaemonFCThe only thing keeping it down, amusingly, is all of the violent crime and taxes caused by the Democrat Party and their patronage army voters of felon convicts and state "workers".Oct 09 11:22
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DaemonFCWith a few mjg59_'s thrown in for good measure. Hate their own race. Internalized guilt.Oct 09 11:23
activelowpardon?Oct 09 11:23
DaemonFCIt's a phenomenon called White Guilt.Oct 09 11:23
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DaemonFCSome people feel "guilty" for being white and feel like it's their job to make up for every problem ever caused by "the collective" of white people at any point in history.Oct 09 11:24
DaemonFCIn Germany, I think there's this attitude of "collective guilt" over the Holocaust. Every time some of your politicians want to do something nasty that will hurt you, they bring up Hitler and the Nazis, right?Oct 09 11:25
DaemonFCLike, we have to let all of these people from shithole countries in to ruin Germany. You wouldn't want to be a Nazi, right!?Oct 09 11:26
DaemonFCWe have the same problem here.Oct 09 11:26
DaemonFCPeople saying we owe it to all of those Haitians to let them all in to bring in more crime and disease and live off welfare programs. Oct 09 11:26
DaemonFC"You remember that time 160 years ago when there was slavery! You wouldn't want to be like that!"Oct 09 11:27
activelowpardon again.Oct 09 11:27
activelowmy complaint is government lying about official data reported, first and foremost.Oct 09 11:28
DaemonFC"You're part of the collective who caused that mess, even though you weren't born for another 119 years!"Oct 09 11:28
DaemonFC"You're white! White = bad!" - mjg59_ Oct 09 11:28
DaemonFC<activelow> my complaint is government lying about official data reported, first and foremost.Oct 09 11:28
DaemonFCEvery government does that.Oct 09 11:28
DaemonFCThe one in China says they've never had a serious problem with COVID and that people stopped dying off it months in because the Communist Party took care of it. The end.Oct 09 11:29
DaemonFCEven if anyone in China, who has to live under constant propaganda, thinks otherwise, they'll have the cops at their front door if they start saying anything against the narrative.Oct 09 11:30
DaemonFCYou're doing well these days to live under a government that doesn't make it a criminal offense to disagree openly with their propaganda.Oct 09 11:31
DaemonFCBut in America, we've outsourced the punishment to the private sector.Oct 09 11:31
DaemonFCWon't get a COVID shot because reasons? You don't get a kidney transplant or a job.Oct 09 11:32
DaemonFCHave opinions that some lefty troll in the hiring department doesn't like? No job.Oct 09 11:32
activelow^Oct 09 11:32
activelowfirst and foremost facts, this is what i have. and what i haven't.Oct 09 11:33
DaemonFCYou're playing with fire with those government courts.Oct 09 11:33
DaemonFCBelieve me, I know.Oct 09 11:33
activelowand no, i am not glad to live in germany, had not been in 20years.Oct 09 11:33
activelowthis is not my country anymore.Oct 09 11:33
DaemonFCIf the government does allow you to sue it, you're still suing the government on their turf.Oct 09 11:33
activelowdepends, btw. almost always it isn't all equally affected by opression and corruption. in fact a majority can benefit from it.Oct 09 11:34
DaemonFCEven if it does allow you to file a claim it will either be decided by a government agent (the judge) or a jury which has been contaminated and brainwashed by the government.Oct 09 11:34
DaemonFCInto a bunch of simpletons with a slate of opinions given to them by CNN or Fox News.Oct 09 11:35
activelowi think, germany is politically and socially bancrupt, not economically. this is the weird contradiction. and a promise wealth grows regardless.Oct 09 11:35
DaemonFCThey make their own citizens destitute and jobless so they can bring in a bunch of uncivilized third world garbage that we don't need from, like, Haiti.Oct 09 11:36
DaemonFCThen they say it's atonement for racial guilt for being white.Oct 09 11:36
DaemonFCIf they would stop killing and robbing and raping _each other_ in Haiti and focus on building their own goddamned country up, they wouldn't need our welfare system, which we are absolutely not obligated to give them.Oct 09 11:37
activelowthe frontlines of the culture war are more complicated than "whiteness", such as, reminder, language spoken in gemany is... german.Oct 09 11:37
DaemonFCOh these people have no intention of learning English.Oct 09 11:38
activelowand german politicians giving speeches in EU parliament, in english language, or french.Oct 09 11:38
DaemonFCThey demand translators and government forms in their own language, at our expense as well.Oct 09 11:38
activelowrarely had i noticed any french or spanish or english politician had ever given a speech in german language, in EU parliament.Oct 09 11:38
DaemonFC<activelow> and german politicians giving speeches in EU parliament, in english language, or french.Oct 09 11:39
activelow*holdingOct 09 11:39
DaemonFCWell, in context that may or may not be a problem.Oct 09 11:39
DaemonFCI just don't like the idea of people showing up pn my front door wanting in when there's nothing out of the ordinary going on in their own country.Oct 09 11:41
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DaemonFCNo imminent danger if they live there.Oct 09 11:41
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DaemonFCWhat's going on with Haiti and these migrant caravans is an outrage.Oct 09 11:42
DaemonFCWe ought to just put them all on a cruise ship and send them back.Oct 09 11:42
DaemonFCTake over one of those cruise ships that can fit a bunch of them and do it all in a few runs.Oct 09 11:42
DaemonFCThose immigration detention centers that are packed, well, that's their own fault.Oct 09 11:43
DaemonFCYou come into my country illegally and then complain when you get arrested and don't get to say when they get around to you. You know, and they could sign a form promising they won't come back and just be deported the next day.Oct 09 11:43
DaemonFCSo they can leave and go back into Mexico any time they want.Oct 09 11:43
DaemonFCThey choose to be detained.Oct 09 11:44
DaemonFCThen I'm supposed to feel bad.Oct 09 11:44
activelowi cannot comment on US politics concerning this. and eu politics were cynical to say the least.Oct 09 11:44
activelowfirst agitating for "immigration" to compensate for pension fund deficiencies and workforce.Oct 09 11:45
DaemonFCThe people they want to bring in didn't build anything in their own country.Oct 09 11:45
DaemonFCNow they promise that they'll fund your pensions and perform work in Germany.Oct 09 11:45
DaemonFCSame thing happening here.Oct 09 11:45
activeloweven if, first and foremost government is lying about the data.Oct 09 11:46
DaemonFCWe're talking about people, who, in their own country, relied on volunteers from places like the US, UK, and Canada, to go build houses and flush toilets for them while they stood there and watched.Oct 09 11:46
DaemonFCLeft to their own devices, in places like South Africa, they literally just dig a hole and shit in the hole.Oct 09 11:46
activelowthe argument is at least somewhat plausible, however evident fact is this pension funds are deficient, and population size increased, it did not decrease, never did, in total.Oct 09 11:46
DaemonFCMany don't have plumbing and never will, unless engineers from civilized places go build it.Oct 09 11:47
activeloweven worse, east-german youth was lured into west often, for digestion in the meat grinder there.Oct 09 11:47
DaemonFCThe black government took over SA and can't actually do anything.Oct 09 11:47
activelowmigration and economic policies in Germany/Eu were excessive beyond imagination to refuel one economic boom after the next one.Oct 09 11:47
DaemonFCThey don't know how and they've locked out the white people who had built things up so they can't even feed the country or keep the lights on or educate the next generation.Oct 09 11:47
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activelownot at least estimating required housing in the cities, nor organizing anything to settle inhabitants and plan cities and economic structures.Oct 09 11:48
DaemonFCThey're such anti-white racists that they won't even allow the ones who know how everything works educate black people to take things over!Oct 09 11:48
DaemonFCSo you end up with this shit going on where they seize a farm from whites and then the Speaker of their legislature has a farm full of dead farm animals and goes "Welp, I'm learning!!! Herp derp!".Oct 09 11:49
DaemonFCSo you now have white people as an underclass there, drinking themselves to death. Can't get a good job. The older ones who can do things and make stuff work are locked out of employment and can't teach their skill.Oct 09 11:50
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DaemonFCSo it's reverting into a third world country.Oct 09 11:50
DaemonFCThis is what happens to people who go looking for revenge.Oct 09 11:50
DaemonFCThey want it so bad they'll shoot themselves in the foot to get it.Oct 09 11:51
DaemonFCWhat's happening in South Africa will eventually happen in the US too if you give the Democrats a chance.Oct 09 11:52
DaemonFCBlack people are taught helplessness and reliance upon the state by the Democrats.Oct 09 11:52
activelowi am not in the position to comment on US politicsOct 09 11:52
DaemonFCSo they're <14% of the population but 96% of them vote Democrat.Oct 09 11:52
activelowhowever, some certain "ideals" of anglo-american academia are imposed onto germanyOct 09 11:53
DaemonFCSo the last thing the party wants is black people getting ahead without the government handouts. So they keep them down to ensure the votes come in.Oct 09 11:53
activelowproblem being, as i tried to explain, anglo-american academica couldn't imagine at least it is germang language spoken here, not englishOct 09 11:53
DaemonFCMy point is that instead of solving problems, they create more.Oct 09 11:54
DaemonFCThey want people to be dependent on the welfare checks coming in each month so they can't get rid of The Party.Oct 09 11:54
activelowacademiaOct 09 11:55
DaemonFCThey want people to have to pay high taxes and then beg for it back as welfare payments so they can't ever get ahead and need The Party.Oct 09 11:55
DaemonFCThe Republicans, I can at least kind of agree with on their tax policy.Oct 09 11:56
DaemonFC"You want to do better? Here's some low taxes. Don't call us."Oct 09 11:56
DaemonFCThe low taxes benefit the black people, who work.Oct 09 11:56
DaemonFCYou go to work, you pay half as much taxes. You're better off.Oct 09 11:56
DaemonFCPeople earning money from crime and welfare don't pay taxes, so it doesn't help them.Oct 09 11:57
activelowi estimate the worth of my work and income by purchasing power, which is practically absentOct 09 11:57
DaemonFCYes, they take it from you as inflation and taxes, to give it to people who do nothing, or worse, commit crimes.Oct 09 11:58
activelowif income sufficed for house,garden,family,... i didn't bother with any taxes if it was 90% Oct 09 11:58
DaemonFCOr produce children who will have nothing, so the problem grows exponentially.Oct 09 11:58
activelowgot no childrenOct 09 11:59
activelowwouldn't trust neither the state nor economy nor myself, to remain long-term reliableOct 09 11:59
DaemonFCGiving these moochers money every month and ignoring their crimes against the state is like being told you have lunch cancer, so instead of cutting out the cancer, you smoke another pack per day.Oct 09 11:59
DaemonFC*lungOct 09 11:59
DaemonFC*autocorrect fail :POct 09 11:59
activelowyes, i do smokeOct 09 12:00
DaemonFCI think that the government should have a policy. "You contribute and the rewards are immense. You commit crime, the punishments are immense.".Oct 09 12:00
DaemonFCIt makes too much sense, I know.Oct 09 12:01
activelowcompliance with any law and moral standards would be a good startOct 09 12:01
DaemonFCAs long as there's nothing to gain by following the law, they won't.Oct 09 12:09
DaemonFCThey got Kim Foxx in as the Prosecutor in Chicago and now they can do anything they want.Oct 09 12:09
DaemonFCThat's why crime is surging off the charts. As bas as it's been since the 1970s.Oct 09 12:10
DaemonFCIt goes almost completely unpunished in Chicago, but only for black and brown people.Oct 09 12:10
XRevan86leah: Mask the voice? What do ye mean by that?Oct 09 12:10
DaemonFCCharges just magically get droppes, nobody wants to hold them on bail.Oct 09 12:10
DaemonFC*droppedOct 09 12:10
DaemonFCThe Democrats are the party of crime and mayhem.Oct 09 12:12
DaemonFCBecause all of the violence and abortion.Oct 09 12:12
DaemonFCAnd 2/3rds of them back forever wars too!Oct 09 12:12
DaemonFCThey're no damned good. Neither party is any damned good. They promise the moon and the stars and then they get in and nothing happens.Oct 09 12:13
DaemonFCThe decisions on how everything important will play out are already made. The election doesn't really change anything except who the rotten bastards who get our money for being cronies are.Oct 09 12:14
DaemonFCThe Democrats in Illinois expanded abortion to public Medicaid and state employee insurance plans. Oct 09 12:15
DaemonFCSo it makes every Illinois taxpayer an accomplice to murder.Oct 09 12:15
DaemonFCEvery time you pay tax, some of that is going to help people murder a helpless person, and then instead of being charged with murder, the Democrats tell the murderer how "brave" she is, because she had to walk past some people picketing the abortion clinic.Oct 09 12:16
*activelow shakes headOct 09 12:16
DaemonFCI've always been pretty uncomfortable with the whole idea of abortion.Oct 09 12:17
DaemonFCIf I find out someone has had one, I won't even talk to them.Oct 09 12:17
DaemonFCIt takes a pretty depraved person to even strongly consider this as an option.Oct 09 12:18
DaemonFCWith the exception being extreme circumstance. Like, you'll die without one or there's something seriously wrong with the fetus.Oct 09 12:19
DaemonFCI just don't know if I have it in me to support either major party anymore.Oct 09 12:20
DaemonFCThey've both made a complete mess of things. It's a slightly different mess, but it's a mess.Oct 09 12:20
DaemonFCactivelow, At least here, if the minor parties actually won anything, I think things would change. But there's no chance of that happening.Oct 09 12:21
DaemonFCStill, I'll probably change my party affiliation to the Libertarian Party.Oct 09 12:22
DaemonFCMaybe it's the best we could hope for. Non-interference except to enforce public safety and national defense.Oct 09 12:22
activelowwhatever you want DaemonFC, abortions are doneOct 09 12:22
DaemonFCYeah, unfortunately they are.Oct 09 12:22
DaemonFCThe Supreme Court made up Roe out of whole cloth.Oct 09 12:23
DaemonFCThere's no legal basis for that decision. It was wrong and illegal then, and hopefully that will be reversed very soon.Oct 09 12:23
DaemonFCAnd the left is panicking because they know it was never based on any right even implied by the constitution.Oct 09 12:24
DaemonFCThe constitution implies you have a right to privacy. Okay, so?Oct 09 12:24
DaemonFCYou have a right to privacy. That doesn't mean we strike down laws against murder.Oct 09 12:24
DaemonFCIt's illegal for me to garrote you in private.Oct 09 12:25
DaemonFCActually, all reversing Roe would do is kick it back to the states.Oct 09 12:26
DaemonFCStates could make murder legal if they wanted to. None of them will, but they could.Oct 09 12:26
DaemonFCMurder being how it's classified now, I mean.Oct 09 12:26
DaemonFCKilling someone isn't always "murder" in the legal definitions.Oct 09 12:27
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DaemonFCThe decision to allow same-sex marriage is more complicated. While we can say that decision is rooted in the constitution because it expands a right, and it expands a right that other citizens had, the decision to force states to allow abortion takes away a right.Oct 09 12:28
DaemonFCWe recognize that I, for example, have a legal right to not be murdered.Oct 09 12:28
DaemonFCBut if I was a fetus and my mother decided to do so, there's no such right. No protection. This is horrible.Oct 09 12:28
DaemonFC<activelow> whatever you want DaemonFC, abortions are doneOct 09 12:29
DaemonFCProbably always will be, because people who want to sabotage the law figure out some method.Oct 09 12:30
DaemonFCBut taxpayers shouldn't have to support it.Oct 09 12:30
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DaemonFCAnd I think it's an issue for the states.Oct 09 12:30
DaemonFCIt's not a federal issue.Oct 09 12:30
activelowwhat taxpayers support is consultation of a medic and some mental care and similar, in germanyOct 09 12:30
activelowadvertising abortions is illegalOct 09 12:30
activelowwhat are you trying to explain DaemonFC ?Oct 09 12:31
DaemonFCPeople don't focus on their state legislature because they figure they won some court battle a long time ago.Oct 09 12:31
activelowwhich people, which court battle?Oct 09 12:32
DaemonFCIf abortion being legal is important to women in Texas, they need to focus on their legislature. They need to get those people who banned it out of the legislature.Oct 09 12:32
DaemonFCIf they can do that via a democratic process, then so be it.Oct 09 12:32
DaemonFCBut they made an end run around community morals and went to the Supreme Court.Oct 09 12:32
DaemonFCAnd it's not even that I have a big problem with.Oct 09 12:32
activelowabortions can only be excempt from penal code, this is the explanation i heard ofOct 09 12:33
DaemonFCIf the state is actually doing something the constitution at least implies it can't do, then you should sue it.Oct 09 12:33
DaemonFCBut there is nothing in our federal cosntitution that says you have a right to an abortion.Oct 09 12:33
DaemonFCOr even implies such.Oct 09 12:33
DaemonFCYou don't like who's in there, vote them out! -Willie NelsonOct 09 12:33
DaemonFCThe Republicans in Texas could be sorry they even started down this path.Oct 09 12:34
DaemonFCHad they left things alone, they wouldn't be facing blowback from motivated groups, and now they might.Oct 09 12:34
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techrights-newsThe 8 best opensource collaboration software • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 09 13:12
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techrights-newsFor those of us who don't do "APPS" or "CrAPPLE" this does not matter. 09 13:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple appeals the Epic Games ruling, asks for stay on order to (sightly) loosen App Store restrictions - LiliputingOct 09 13:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Apple appeals the Epic Games ruling, asks for stay on order to (sightly) loosen App Store restrictions - LiliputingOct 09 13:13
DaemonFCThe GNOME Authenticator app in Debian is broken. Can't scan QR codes.Oct 09 13:13
DaemonFCTrying to get the version from Flatpak now.Oct 09 13:14
techrights-news"Earlier this year, I joined #Collabora as an intern to work on improving testing in #libcamera and automating it through #KernelCI . Having recently completed the internship, here's a look back at this experience and what was accomplished." 09 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Improving test coverage for cameras in KernelCIOct 09 13:14
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techrights-newsKodi 19.2 Improves Xbox Support and Support for Devices Running Old Android Versions • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 09 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kodi 19.2 Improves Xbox Support and Support for Devices Running Old Android Versions | Tux MachinesOct 09 13:18
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techrights-newsEven things that are NOT #clowncomputing as being spun as clown 09 13:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-5 Reasons Why It Makes Sense to Move to Bare-Metal Cloud Infrastructure - NoobsLab | Eye on Digital WorldOct 09 13:25
techrights-news8 Best Open Source Library Management Software in 2021 • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 09 13:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 8 Best Open Source Library Management Software in 2021 | Tux MachinesOct 09 13:29
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 09 13:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesOct 09 13:29
techrights-news#intel is doomed when small machines like these can do so much and run on standard batteries 09 13:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Minitel Terminal Becomes Mini Laptop | HackadayOct 09 13:30
techrights-newsApache Releases HTTP Server version 2.4.51 to Address Vulnerabilities Under Exploitation 09 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Security: Patches, Reproducible Builds, and More | Tux MachinesOct 09 13:32
DaemonFC 09 13:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Detroit man accused of 'brutal and unprovoked attack' on employer because he thought he was underpaidOct 09 13:33
techrights-news"A large strawberry squid, one of three caught on the last trawl of the Deep-See cruise. Photo: NOAA Fisheries" 09 13:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | BlogOct 09 13:33
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: maybe he was underpaidOct 09 13:33
schestowitz-TRand even if he was...Oct 09 13:33
schestowitz-TRthis shows a rotting societyOct 09 13:34
schestowitz-TRbecause if there was an error, it could be correctedOct 09 13:34
DaemonFCLook at his criminal record.Oct 09 13:34
DaemonFCIt's on the bottom of the page.Oct 09 13:34
DaemonFCThree different states. Arizona, Illinois, and Michigan.Oct 09 13:34
DaemonFCMultiple outstanding warrants.Oct 09 13:34
DaemonFCConvictions on assault with great bodily harm and domestic violence.Oct 09 13:35
techrights-newsRemember when #ibm actually did something? Other than dying? 09 13:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Model F Keyboard Restoration Goes The Extra Mile | HackadayOct 09 13:35
DaemonFCDidn't even show up to answer for three traffic offenses in Highland Park, IL.Oct 09 13:35
techrights-newsBlues Wireless Swan board adds castellated holes to #Adafruit Feather form factor - CNX Software ⚓ 09 13:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Blues Wireless Swan board adds castellated holes to Adafruit Feather form factor - CNX SoftwareOct 09 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Blues Wireless Swan board adds castellated holes to Adafruit Feather form factor - CNX SoftwareOct 09 13:37
DaemonFCTraffic court is like any other court except that when you send in the ticket, you're making a plea instead of going to the court date on the ticket and doing it then. It saves you from having to show up twice.Oct 09 13:37
techrights-news#IonoRP - An industrial PLC with a Raspberry Pi RP2040 MCU - CNX Software ⚓ ䷉ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftwareOct 09 13:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Iono RP - An industrial PLC with a Raspberry Pi RP2040 MCU - CNX SoftwareOct 09 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Iono RP - An industrial PLC with a Raspberry Pi RP2040 MCU - CNX SoftwareOct 09 13:37
DaemonFCIf you never answer, they can issue a bench warrant, but if you were arraigned and skip the trial, they just find you guilty.Oct 09 13:38
DaemonFCSo many people just never answer the ticket and end up with a warrant, and can be arrested at any time over a petty offense. It's dumb.Oct 09 13:38
DaemonFCThen you risk being in jail for a weekend until they can haul you in front of the judge on Monday. :)Oct 09 13:39
techrights-news"[Nicolas] specializes in DIY musical instruments, made mostly with PVC tubes and salvaged parts from commercial instruments, so the solution to his problem was completely in his hands." 09 13:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hacked Set Of Instruments Saves Musician’s Gigs | HackadayOct 09 13:40
DaemonFCNo thinking person would want to risk 36 hours in jail on a ticket they'll most likely end up having to pay.Oct 09 13:40
DaemonFCThen it gets better still.Oct 09 13:41
techrights-news#Kubernetes Blog: Introducing ClusterClass and Managed Topologies in Cluster API 09 13:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Introducing ClusterClass and Managed Topologies in Cluster API | KubernetesOct 09 13:41
DaemonFCSo you were in jail on the traffic warrant, then you go in front of a judge in shackles and a jail jumpsuit. He convicts you on the ticket, and then says you used the jail and have to pay for that too.Oct 09 13:42
techrights-newsVideo Editing with Linux: Tips and Tricks to Manage Kdenlive’s Settings, Files and More. #Kdenlive #KDE #gnu #linux #freeswOct 09 13:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Video Editing with Linux: Tips and Tricks to Manage Kdenlive’s Settings, Files and More. – PurismOct 09 13:43
DaemonFCOh yes, they like to force you to pay for the cost of the police that beat you up, and your stay at the county jail.Oct 09 13:43
techrights-news"The #Arduino programmable fingerprint sensor is equipped with Fingerprints‘ FPC BM-Lite fingerprint capacitive biometric sensor that’s much more compact and power-efficient than traditional optical fingerprint sensors." 09 13:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Chhavi - An ESP32-based fingerprint sensor with optional NFC, battery (Crowdfunding) - CNX SoftwareOct 09 13:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Chhavi - An ESP32-based fingerprint sensor with optional NFC, battery (Crowdfunding) - CNX SoftwareOct 09 13:45
techrights-newsSome of the waste associated with green(washing) tech 09 13:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Can We Repurpose Old Wind Turbine Blades? | HackadayOct 09 13:50
DaemonFCI always thought that was sort of funny.Oct 09 13:50
DaemonFCThey always had the choice not to bother you, but why do that when they can bother you and then make you pay them for that too.Oct 09 13:50
techrights-newsHow about using a drawer? Would take up less plastic... 09 13:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-3D Printed Preschooler Proof MP3 Player Takes A Beat-ing | HackadayOct 09 13:52
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techrights-newscomOct 09 13:55
techrights-news#ibm #redhat is #openwashing a #patent #cartel associated with 5G in "Open5G" 09 13:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bharti Airtel CTO: ‘5G Is a Tough Use Case’ - SDxCentralOct 09 13:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bharti Airtel CTO: ‘5G Is a Tough Use Case’ - SDxCentralOct 09 13:56
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, My guess is that part of the reason the government mandates blind spot detection and adaptive cruise control now is it wants all of these cars on the highway putting out radar signals.Oct 09 13:56
DaemonFCSo that it will confuse your radar detector and have it go off constantly.Oct 09 13:57
techrights-newsWhat #ibm #rehat means when it speaks of "open" 5G... it runs IBM vendor lock-in somewhere at the back end: 09 13:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | VodafoneZiggo Calls on Red Hat to Help Power 5G and IT Application InnovationOct 09 13:57
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: cars are hostile nowOct 09 13:58
schestowitz-TRtoo much trackingOct 09 13:58
DaemonFCHumorously, it affects people like me the least because we're always driving some old piece of junk that didn't have it, or has less of it.Oct 09 13:59
DaemonFChttps://www.fox32chicago.comOct 09 13:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FOX 32 ChicagoOct 09 13:59
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, Speaking of rotting society, billionaire governor "Prickster" says Chicago is "on the verge" of an emergency in violent crime.Oct 09 14:00
techrights-newsHacking on #kernel for #easyOS #linuxOct 09 14:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | powerapplet-tray fixed for recent kernelsOct 09 14:00
DaemonFCMore dangerous than Iraq during the height of the WAR.Oct 09 14:00
DaemonFCAnd we're "on the verge" of an emergency....Oct 09 14:00
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: we're moving astray off topicOct 09 14:00
DaemonFCBetween him and Mayor Beetlejuice and Kim Foxx dropping all of the felonies and signaling they can do whatever they want, I wonder how that happened.Oct 09 14:01
DaemonFCViolent crime tripled since Foxx and Lightfoot got in.Oct 09 14:01
DaemonFCThis year will be the worst violent crime stats since 1978!Oct 09 14:01
techrights-newsDirk Eddelbuettel needs to #deletegithub and not do banking through #proprietarySoftware and #microsoft 09 14:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Thinking inside the boxOct 09 14:01
DaemonFCPeople turned the city over to a black mayor and a black prosecutor just for no other reason than their race. No thinking about qualifications or anything.Oct 09 14:02
DaemonFCAnd they managed to install a couple of gibbering vegetables and now the city is paralyzed by crime.Oct 09 14:02
DaemonFCI will never live there again unless someone manages to bring this back under control, and even then you never know. Administrations change. People get used to lower crime and not having trash all over the fucking place, and they think what's the harm in voting for people like Lightfoot, and then it happens again.Oct 09 14:04
techrights-news"And there’s more: Thorsten Behrens from The Document Foundation’s Board of Directors is on the jury" counterpoint: #documentfoundation #fsfeOct 09 14:04
DaemonFCSocietal rot is letting things like this happen.Oct 09 14:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Youth Hacking 4 Freedom – from the Free Software Foundation Europe - The Document Foundation BlogOct 09 14:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Google, FSFE & Child laborOct 09 14:05
DaemonFCDuring those "Mexican Independence Day" celebrations in Waukegan where they were throwing their garbage into the street while the cops just watched and did nothing...Oct 09 14:05
DaemonFCThey could have done littering citations. That's $1,000 fine and go pick up litter for 80 hours or something, you know.Oct 09 14:05
techrights-newsPerl Weekly Challenge 133: Integer Square Roots and Smith Numbers #perl #programmingOct 09 14:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Perl Weekly Challenge 133: Integer Square Roots and Smith Numbers | laurent_r []Oct 09 14:06
techrights-news#KDE Frameworks 5.87 Makes Plasma Discover Faster, Improves Support for Kirigami Apps • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 09 14:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | KDE Frameworks 5.87 Makes Plasma Discover Faster, Improves Support for Kirigami Apps | Tux MachinesOct 09 14:06
DaemonFCNo, they just back and watch because it's not politically correct to enforce the law because it's a Mexican Independence Day thing.Oct 09 14:06
DaemonFCNow if white people got together and trashed the place and had Trump flags flying from SUVs, there'd be tickets flying all over the place.Oct 09 14:06
DaemonFCUnlicensed parade, littering, disorderly conduct. That's why it doesn't happen.Oct 09 14:07
DaemonFCThat's what you get with a lefty government.Oct 09 14:07
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, Now people say they're being audited by the IRS, which is claiming their Stimulus Checks were taxable income.Oct 09 14:09
techrights-newsFSFE has the audacity to profit from the 4 freedoms whose pioneer it has been slandering 09 14:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Learn about Free Software in the Legal Context with FSFE's Legal Education Day - FSFEOct 09 14:09
DaemonFCEven though the law says they were not taxable income, they were "credits".Oct 09 14:09
DaemonFCElection's over. Time to pay for Biden's Green New goes something something everyone on food stamps.Oct 09 14:09
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DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, I don't know how I feel about open source tax software.Oct 09 14:18
DaemonFCThe consequences of getting your calculations wrong are pretty bad.Oct 09 14:18
DaemonFC 09 14:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Census Bureau checks count's accuracy with Post-Enumeration Survey : NPROct 09 14:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Census Bureau checks count's accuracy with Post-Enumeration Survey : NPROct 09 14:20
DaemonFCNobody from the census even tried to count the motel we lived at.Oct 09 14:20
DaemonFCI had to go to and fill it out myself, voluntarily, which is odd considering you legally have to, but nothing ever arrived, and nobody ever came out.Oct 09 14:21
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, The United States is a train wreck domestically.Oct 09 14:21
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DaemonFCI can't imagine how it thinks it can impose foreign policy on the world.Oct 09 14:21
DaemonFCThis idea isn't quite as comical as the UK as a world power, but it's moving in that direction.Oct 09 14:22
DaemonFCThe UK is only on the United Nations Security Council as a permanent member because it got a seat as a major player in the immediate aftermath of the second world war.Oct 09 14:23
DaemonFCIf they were doling out seats today, I don't know that it would get one. And France? Come on.Oct 09 14:23
DaemonFCThe US would.Oct 09 14:23
DaemonFCIf anyone would get seats as the dominant countries, it would be the United States, China, and Russia for sure. Maybe the EU would get one as a whole.Oct 09 14:24
DaemonFCIn a distant fourth place.Oct 09 14:25
DaemonFCThey have a large economy if you consider them all togather, but they're not a major unified military force.Oct 09 14:25
DaemonFCEven Germany has a lot of broken down equipment because it spends so little.Oct 09 14:25
DaemonFCThe US is frantically, and maybe too late, trying to band together a coalition of allies to contain China's ambitions.Oct 09 14:27
DaemonFCTrump set us back four years while he did nothing except antagonize our allies and beat his chest about how we didn't need anyone's help.Oct 09 14:27
DaemonFC 09 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Carjackings the worst on Chicago's West Side, North Side sees spikeOct 09 14:29
DaemonFCNews as comedy.Oct 09 14:29
DaemonFCIt's statistically more dangerous to be in Chicago on a Tuesday, in the morning, in a Toyota Camry!Oct 09 14:30
DaemonFC*Ralph Wiggums voice* HAHA! I'm in danger!Oct 09 14:31
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, There's a lot of great things about driving an old car that doesn't look too great.Oct 09 14:32
DaemonFCCarjackers probably don't want it even though it runs fine.Oct 09 14:32
DaemonFCThey're on the lookout to steal a beemer and maybe rape the woman driving it too.Oct 09 14:33
DaemonFCThe only thing they like more than slinging dope and chopping cars is putting their dicks where they don't belong.Oct 09 14:33
DaemonFCWe need a total regime change here. And a stand your ground law.Oct 09 14:33
DaemonFCStallman is absolutely unqualified to speak on this.Oct 09 14:34
DaemonFCHe doesn't go into the ghetto in Chicago where he'd see firsthand what they'd do to him five seconds later.Oct 09 14:34
DaemonFCHe just speaks about people who consider arming themselves for their own protection as if we're a bunch of knuckle dragging neanderthals and rubes.Oct 09 14:35
DaemonFCI think he's qualified to speak about software, but his social politics are just generally fringe and delusional.Oct 09 14:35
DaemonFCHe should be more supportive of the police being allowed to do their jobs because the reason Illinois is the #1 state now for legal gun sales is because people here have given up any hope of the police helping them.Oct 09 14:36
DaemonFCNobody wants to be the next cop on trial for taking down some black teenager that was flipping them off and waving a gun.Oct 09 14:37
techrights-newsOutline of #techrights public code, by number of lines and language (new page): gemini:// 09 14:37
techrights-news#ProprietarySoftware Leftovers • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ #TuxMachinesOct 09 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux MachinesOct 09 14:38
DaemonFCI just booted up my older laptop.Oct 09 14:43
techrights-news#Programming Leftovers • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ 09 14:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Programming Leftovers | Tux MachinesOct 09 14:43
DaemonFCI can't seem to ever get a PC That doesn't have BIOS errors.Oct 09 14:43
DaemonFCLinux complains about them loudly, but they're there whether it's Linux or Windows.Oct 09 14:44
techrights-news#FSFE and #EEF on Free Software Licensing • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 09 14:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | FSFE and EEF on Free Software Licensing | Tux MachinesOct 09 14:46
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, I might write about Debian 11 KDE soon.Oct 09 14:46
DaemonFCI'm committing it to the disk on the Yoga 900 ISK 2.Oct 09 14:46
DaemonFCIt still doesn't automagically scale for hidpi.Oct 09 14:47
DaemonFCI think it did under Wayland if you force it to use the Wayland session.Oct 09 14:47
DaemonFCBut then your scaling settings for X11 will be wrong and it will be too large in the Wayland session.Oct 09 14:47
DaemonFCI may try the Plasma Wayland session first before I start screwing around with anything and see if that actually works right now.Oct 09 14:49
DaemonFCIt didn't in Plasma 5.15, but I think Debian 11 has 5.20.Oct 09 14:50
DaemonFCDebian doesn't seem to recommend KDE, but they also don't seem to overtly sabotage it like Fedora does.Oct 09 14:50
DaemonFCThose Fedora people have gotten pretty stupid.Oct 09 14:51
DaemonFCThis obsession with "immutable" root file systems just because they saw a Mac doing it blows my mind.Oct 09 14:51
DaemonFCHerr derrr, you installed an RPM. You have to restart for the changes to take effect!Oct 09 14:52
DaemonFCHerr derrr, we can be worse than Windows! Derrr!Oct 09 14:52
DaemonFCI wonder if installing Synaptic Package Manager into KDE would be more trouble than it's worth.Oct 09 14:53
DaemonFCIf this works out, I mean, I could just change over to KDE on my main laptop easily.Oct 09 14:53
DaemonFCI just don't know that I want to.Oct 09 14:53
DaemonFCKDE is sort of hit or miss.Oct 09 14:53
DaemonFCThey had a really really stable series with KDE 3 and then they gutted it and put out the "Windows Vista of KDE", KDE 4.Oct 09 14:54
DaemonFCIt was a big pig and nothing worked well.Oct 09 14:54
DaemonFCOn top of that, it took them forever to reach a point where they could drop all of KDE 3's applications and Qt3.Oct 09 14:55
MinceRsynaptic used to run just fine on KDEOct 09 15:00
MinceRdid they break that too?Oct 09 15:00
techrights-news#OpenHardware / #Modding : #Arduino and More • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ 09 15:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Open Hardware/Modding: Arduino and More | Tux MachinesOct 09 15:00
techrights-news#Devices : GNU/Linux on SoCs • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 09 15:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Devices: GNU/Linux on SoCs | Tux MachinesOct 09 15:00
techrights-news#IBM / #RedHat : VodafoneZiggo, ’Open5G’, and More Openwashing • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 09 15:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM/Red Hat: VodafoneZiggo, 'Open5G', and More Openwashing | Tux MachinesOct 09 15:01
techrights-newsToday’s 𝘛𝘶𝘹 𝘔𝘢𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴 Leftovers • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 09 15:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesOct 09 15:10
techrights-news#Debian GNU/Linux 11.1 "Bullseye" Released with 24 Security Updates and 75 Bug Fixes • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 09 15:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Debian GNU/Linux 11.1 "Bullseye" Released with 24 Security Updates and 75 Bug Fixes | Tux MachinesOct 09 15:10
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techrights-newsLinks 9/10/2021: KDE Frameworks 5.87, Debian GNU/Linux 11.1 Released • 𝕋𝕖𝕔𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥𝕤 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 09 15:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Links 9/10/2021: KDE Frameworks 5.87, Debian GNU/Linux 11.1 Released | TechrightsOct 09 15:15
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techrights-newsWine 6.19 is out new with more joystick work, more modules converted to PE 09 15:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Wine 6.19 | Tux MachinesOct 09 15:19
techrights-newsKDE Moves To GitLab-Based CI, Lands More Plasma Wayland Fixes 09 15:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | This week in KDE: Continuous integraaaaaaation | Tux MachinesOct 09 15:21
techrights-news#BSDNow 423: RACK the Stack #bsd #unixOct 09 15:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | BSD Now 423: RACK the StackOct 09 15:24
techrights-newsIt Appears #FUTEX2 Will Land For Linux 5.16 - Phoronix ⚓ ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #LinuxOct 09 15:25
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | It Appears FUTEX2 Will Land For Linux 5.16 - PhoronixOct 09 15:25
techrights-newsAMD DisplayPort #Thunderbolt Tunneling driver already available in latest #Linux #kernel patches, USB4 support finally coming in early 2022 - News ⚓ ䷉ #notebookcheckOct 09 15:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | AMD DisplayPort Thunderbolt Tunneling driver already available in latest Linux kernel patches, USB4 support finally coming in early 2022 - NewsOct 09 15:27
techrights-news#KDE Ships Frameworks 5.87.0 09 15:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | KDE Frameworks 5.87 Makes Plasma Discover Faster, Improves Support for Kirigami Apps | Tux MachinesOct 09 15:30
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techrights-newsMystery solved in #geminiSpace #geminiprotocolOct 09 15:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Tech] A broken server in the wild, tearing down connection when the resource does not exist?Oct 09 15:34
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techrights-news#KDEGear 21.08.2 adds more fixes 09 15:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | KDE Gear 21.08.2 Is Out to Improve Dolphin, Okular, Konsole, Gwenview, Kate, and Other Apps | Tux MachinesOct 09 15:45
techrights-newsImagine #murdoch #WallStreetJournal or #WSJ actually issuing correction to political #misinformation thty spread, not merely a misspelling 09 15:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Corrections & Amplifications - WSJOct 09 15:46
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techrights-newsWhat an absolutely dumb thins for former #IBM chief to say how IBM profits from #covid19 right now: 09 15:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Irving Wladawsky-Berger: A Pandemic Is Fundamentally an Information ProblemOct 09 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | TechrightsOct 09 15:48
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DaemonFCOkay, I got KDE up on my other laptop.Oct 09 15:50
DaemonFCIt actually uses a fair bit less RAM once installed.Oct 09 15:50
DaemonFCA little under 800 MB.Oct 09 15:50
techrights-news#ibm tracking people 09 15:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Conveniently Conflating Vaccination With the Surveillance Business of IBM/Linux Foundation | TechrightsOct 09 15:51
techrights-news#ibm #linuxfoundation #intel and #microsoft : the word "master" is OFFENSIVE!! Stop saying it!!! Today: "Mastering Linux" 09 16:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Git' Your Linux Skills Up to Snuff for Less Than $20 | PCMagOct 09 16:03
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techrights-newsAnother vulnerability in Apache httpd, allowing access outside the site root directory 09 16:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Security: Patches, Reproducible Builds, and More | Tux MachinesOct 09 16:05
techrights-newsWith CVE-2021-41773, I'm surprised #microsoft and #billgates - bribed media doesn't call it a "LINUX" security issue, knowing that #apache runs on #gnu #linux most of the time and they love misplacing blameOct 09 16:06
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DaemonFCThe Plasma Wayland session still has some issues.Oct 09 17:40
DaemonFCIt ignores my KDE touchpad settings, and the shutdown menu shifts off and to the left of the screen. :/Oct 09 17:40
MinceRit also has the issue that it's wayland and the issue that it's KDEOct 09 17:41
DaemonFC 09 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Westmont man accused of beating police officer; attempted to take taser | WGN-TVOct 09 17:44
DaemonFC 09 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Man stabs Apple store security guard over mask dispute in Manhattan: NYPD | WGN-TVOct 09 17:44
DaemonFC"The suspect remained at large Saturday morning. Police have not yet released a description."Oct 09 17:45
DaemonFCCoulter's LawOct 09 17:45
DaemonFCThe longer it takes the news to describe the suspect, the higher the odds are that he isn't white.Oct 09 17:45
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DaemonFCMinceR, From my observations, the far-right has almost moved past their hangups with gay men.Oct 09 17:46
DaemonFCEven the ones about adopting children.Oct 09 17:46
MinceRor that's what they want you to believeOct 09 17:47
DaemonFCI was reading my favorite racist board (I do that sometimes because it's really funny how horrible people are.).Oct 09 17:47
MinceRin any case, fidSS created a homoerotophobic law in hungary this yearOct 09 17:47
DaemonFCAnd they posted a story about two gay men who adopted a black kid and the kid ended up stabbing both of them and getting arrested.Oct 09 17:47
MinceRin which they try to make it seem as if gay people were the same as pedophilesOct 09 17:47
DaemonFCI half expected them to say something about the men.Oct 09 17:47
DaemonFCBut all they said was "Well, that'll teach them to adopt a black child. Even with the best upbringing, it stabbed both of them and left them for dead.".Oct 09 17:48
DaemonFCAnd I was left impressed by the fact that not once did they have anything to say about the morality of being gay or anything.Oct 09 17:49
DaemonFCIt went on for a couple of pages and nothing like that happened.Oct 09 17:49
MinceRit's not like they tend to be consistent anywayOct 09 17:49
MinceRespecially when this new love story between the neofascists and the CPC beganOct 09 17:50
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techrights-news#HowTo Enable Dark Mode in Web Browser • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 09 18:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to Enable Dark Mode in Web Browser | Tux MachinesOct 09 18:01
DaemonFCMinceR, The Democrats are going to have a big problem soon.Oct 09 18:01
DaemonFCThe Republican Party has basically moved past the whole gay thing, and without the overt hostility, they may actually start gaining votes.Oct 09 18:02
DaemonFCAgain, small group, but nearly all voted for the Democrats because it's hard to vote for people who are openly offending you.Oct 09 18:02
DaemonFCI think that may partially explain why the Democrats are emptying out the prisons on us and making felons eligible to vote again.Oct 09 18:03
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MinceRDaemonFC: the "republicans" have their own problem -- their party being split into a pro-trump and anti-trump factionOct 09 18:19
XRevan86 09 18:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - AIOct 09 18:25
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DaemonFCMinceR, There wasn't much pushback against him.Oct 09 18:30
DaemonFCHe kept almost getting what he wanted through the Senate, until he bungled it.Oct 09 18:30
DaemonFCHe bungled a lot of easy wins.Oct 09 18:30
DaemonFCIf they really wanted the ACA gone, they should have waited until the last minute to vote on the repeal bill.Oct 09 18:30
DaemonFCThey knew that McCain had terminal brain cancer with months to live.Oct 09 18:31
DaemonFCJust wait for him to die and pass the bill by 1 vote.Oct 09 18:31
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DaemonFCBudget Reconciliation rules only allow one vote on a subject covered by a budget bill per Senate termOct 09 18:32
DaemonFCIt's designed precisely so they can't keep tweaking the bill and trying again until some version of it barely passes.Oct 09 18:32
techrights-news#epo regime has tha audacity to post this junk they're causing disability in their own staff 09 18:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO - EPO partners with myAbility Talent Programme for third year runningOct 09 18:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Sickness of the EPO – Part VII: 40% of EPO Workers Have Upper Limb Disorder (ULD), Battistelli Covers That Up | TechrightsOct 09 18:32
DaemonFCVivaldi works nicely on KDE.Oct 09 18:38
DaemonFCEven with my web browser open, it uses less RAM than GNOME with nothing running.Oct 09 18:38
techrights-news"There is a new application available for Sparkers: Kotatogram Desktop" #debian #gnu #linux #sparkylinuxOct 09 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kotatogram Desktop – SparkyLinuxOct 09 18:47
techrights-newsKDE DEVLOG: Understanding Plasma’s Panels - Kockatoo Tube ⚓ ䷉ #kde #gnu #linuxOct 09 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | KDE DEVLOG: Understanding Plasma's Panels - Kockatoo TubeOct 09 18:48
techrights-newsRecap of the Hybrid #LibreOffice Conference 2021 in #Hamburg #de #germany #freeswOct 09 18:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Recap of the Hybrid LibreOffice Conference 2021 in Hamburg - The Document Foundation BlogOct 09 18:50
techrights-newsTongight at midnight #techrights will cover #epo affairs in Luxembourg. #corruption #patenrs #LuxembourgOct 09 18:52
techrights-newsHow to craft #propaganda : associate #Linux with "malware" (that actually has nothing to do with Linux) and make #backdoors giants like Microsoft look like a bunch of #security professionals; of course this publisher is paid by #Microsoft to do this 09 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Cyber Security Today, Oct. 8, 2021 – New Linux malware, a new hacking group and a thick advisory report from Microsoft | IT World Canada NewsOct 09 18:56
techrights-newsThis is not about #Linux , just as holes in #Adobe #Photoshop are not about #Windows (this is crafty spin and a black PR campaign 09 18:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 'FontOnLake' Malware Family Targets Linux SystemsOct 09 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 'FontOnLake' Malware Family Targets Linux SystemsOct 09 18:58
techrights-news"It's currently not known how the attackers gain initial access to the network," but they blame #Linux for merely existing inside an already-compromised network. This is lousy journalism or not #journalism at all. It's marketing spam for #ESET 09 19:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Researchers Warn of FontOnLake Rootkit Malware Targeting Linux SystemsOct 09 19:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Researchers Warn of FontOnLake Rootkit Malware Targeting Linux SystemsOct 09 19:00
techrights-newsThis isn't about Linux but about #ESET attacking #Linux with FUD, just for shameless self-promotion; they don't even know how attackers get to the systems in the first place 09 19:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ESET Research uncovers FontOnLake, a Targeted malware attacking Linux Oct 09 19:02
techrights-news#PostgreSQL puts engineering aside to focus on banning people, in particular people who have 'strong' views on corporations and might "offend" powerful people's feelings. This focuses on gender and nationality, not anything technical or corporate. 09 19:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PostgreSQL: New Members of the Community Code of Conduct CommitteeOct 09 19:05
techrights-news"The Committee is comprised of 4 women, 3 men, and 0 nonbinary individuals." This focuses on gender, not anything technical or corporate. 09 19:07
techrights-newsCreating quotas for "nonbinary individuals" means there's a career incentive to change gender; that can propel people into positions of power just to meet diversity quotas. 09 19:08
techrights-newsCriteria that would be more meaningful would be, works or does not work for large monopolist because it is well known what harms #Freesoftware communities the most, based on history see 09 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Python’s New Board of Directors Adds 50% Google and 25% Microsoft | TechrightsOct 09 19:13
techrights-newsIn the case of the #LinuxFoundation , for instance, hiring for "diversity" has not prevented the Board being hijacked by Linux-hostile companies. 09 19:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Foundation - TechrightsOct 09 19:15
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techrights-newsSorry to be linking to #zdnet but I want to show how, earlier today, the site posted PURE SPAM under "Linux". THIS IS SPAM. #boycottzdnet 09 19:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Innovative technology is coming to change Linux in the cloud. It's open for investment now. | ZDNetOct 09 19:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ZDNet - TechrightsOct 09 19:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Innovative technology is coming to change Linux in the cloud. It's open for investment now. | ZDNetOct 09 19:21
techrights-newsConflicts of interest noted: "The New Stack is a wholly owned subsidiary of Insight Partners, an investor in the following companies mentioned in this article: MADE. Amazon Web Services and Gitlab are sponsors of The New Stack." 09 19:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | This Week in Programming: Hacktoberfest Goes Opt-In Only – The New StackOct 09 19:24
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DaemonFCMinceR, So KDE has still not gotten their hidpi support where it should be, although it is much better in the Wayland session. But there's too many bugs in that.Oct 09 19:24
DaemonFCI guess this is what you get when you push X11 as the default even though it's abandoned and you're not really maintaining that anymore.Oct 09 19:24
DaemonFCNeither session really works like it should on hidpi displays.Oct 09 19:25
DaemonFCKWin on Wayland is still quite rough and X11 obviously isn't ever going to be fixed.Oct 09 19:25
MinceRwhat is "hidpi support" anyway? pretending that your display is half the resolution and then scaling it up?Oct 09 19:26
techrights-newsDisabling the Nouveau open-source Nvidia driver to use the proprietary driver in OpenSUSE Leap 15.3 • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 09 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Disabling the Nouveau open-source Nvidia driver to use the proprietary driver in OpenSUSE Leap 15.3 | Tux MachinesOct 09 19:26
techrights-news#Security FUD From #ESET Against So-called ’Linux’ • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 09 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Security FUD From ESET Against So-called 'Linux' | Tux MachinesOct 09 19:27
techrights-newsDebian 11.1 Released With Initial Batch Of Fixes 09 19:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Debian GNU/Linux 11.1 "Bullseye" Released with 24 Security Updates and 75 Bug Fixes | Tux MachinesOct 09 19:29
techrights-news"The Unleash Your Potential Program provides a #System76 computer to six winners for accelerating the completion of their next project. This week, we interviewed Marquita Wiggins, who is in the early stages of developing her open source Canva alternative, Designy." 09 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | System76 Blog — Marquita Wiggins is Developing her Open Source...Oct 09 19:32
techrights-news"Right from the early days of #gmail, I have used it in "basic html view". However, recently it has been coming up in "standard view", and despite trying to set it back to basic html view, persists in coming up in standard view." 09 19:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Google forcing us to use gmail in standard modeOct 09 19:34
techrights-news#zdnet published a lot less in recent months. It's a dying site. Give it a few years before it goes tits-up completely (at the moment #ibm and #microsoft subsidise it to tell lies for them) 09 19:36
DaemonFCI wonder if KDE has a decent camera application.Oct 09 19:37
schestowitz-TRyesOct 09 19:39
schestowitz-TRbut why KDE?Oct 09 19:39
schestowitz-TRyou mean qt?Oct 09 19:39
schestowitz-TRyou can apt-get install webcamoidOct 09 19:40
schestowitz-TRit's a very potent application, I do all my videos with itOct 09 19:40
schestowitz-TRcheese in gnome is far too simpleOct 09 19:40
schestowitz-TRand gtk-recordmydesktopOct 09 19:40
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techrights-newsI'm I’m Now A Distro Maintainer - Invidious ⚓ ䷉ #video #invidious #multimedia | more in 09 19:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 【Linux From Scratch】I'm Now A Distro Maintainer - InvidiousOct 09 19:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsOct 09 19:43
DaemonFCschestowitz, KDE needs more investigating.Oct 09 19:43
DaemonFCTo see if it's worth being on my main laptop.Oct 09 19:43
techrights-news#Intel Begins Preparing #Linux #Graphics Driver For Multi-Tile #Hardware - Phoronix ⚓ ䷉ #PhoronixOct 09 19:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Begins Preparing Linux Graphics Driver For Multi-Tile Hardware - PhoronixOct 09 19:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Intel Begins Preparing Linux Graphics Driver For Multi-Tile Hardware - PhoronixOct 09 19:44
DaemonFCI don't really like software bloat, personally, no matter how good of a computer I use.Oct 09 19:44
DaemonFCBut more important than RAM consumption is if it will get in my way or not have a feature I need, or will have too many bugs.Oct 09 19:45
DaemonFCSwitching desktops isn't that difficult though.Oct 09 19:45
techrights-news#MicrosoftTim writing about #Mozilla becoming hardly better than #Google , its main sponsor (and #Microsoft is of course even worse) 09 19:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Firefox adding personalised, sponsored search suggestions • The RegisterOct 09 19:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Firefox adding personalised, sponsored search suggestions • The RegisterOct 09 19:46
DaemonFCDebian dumped a few GB of internationalization crap on my KDE desktop system though too.Oct 09 19:46
techrights-news#mozilla has turned #firefox into the scene of an accident. It is the managers' fault. 09 19:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Firefox Cannot be Trusted at the Hands of Today’s Mozilla Management | TechrightsOct 09 19:47
DaemonFCThe vact majority of it seemed to be there for LibreOffice language and help packs for languages I don't speak or use.Oct 09 19:47
DaemonFC*vastOct 09 19:47
DaemonFCschestowitz, I should also see if it wants to remove KDE and X if I ask it to get rid of Firefox.Oct 09 19:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | BOFH: Oh for Pete’s sake. Don’t make a spectacle of yourself • The RegisterOct 09 20:03
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schestowitz-TRI've just debloated rianne's laptoOct 09 20:22
schestowitz-TRhad 100,000 rss itemsOct 09 20:22
schestowitz-TRlowered not to under 1000Oct 09 20:22
schestowitz-TRkill off snap daemonOct 09 20:22
schestowitz-TRcontaindOct 09 20:22
schestowitz-TRdockerdOct 09 20:22
schestowitz-TRshe added loads of crapOct 09 20:22
schestowitz-TRand then it gets slow like windowsOct 09 20:22
techrights-news#Robolinux 12.11 is released #gnu #linuxOct 09 20:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Welcome to Robolinux.orgOct 09 20:24
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techrights-newsFirefox 93 #AVIF support 09 20:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Firefox 93 Is Now Available for Download, Finally Enables AVIF Support by Default | Tux MachinesOct 09 20:27
schestowitzDaemonFC: The kernel plays a significant role, and although the kernel is pretty fresh in Debian 11, chances are it won’t suit you for some reason. Moreover, the 5.14 kernel contains many changes that are likely to affect Debian for the better. Of the main changes in the 5.14 kernel, we can note improved support forOct 09 20:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Installing Linux 5.14 Kernel on Debian 11 - itsfoss.netOct 09 20:30
DaemonFCWell, I figured out the touchpad problem in the Wayland session on KDE.Oct 09 20:30
DaemonFCYou have to configure it _again_ to do tap to click in that session.Oct 09 20:31
techrights-news#Kernel: Intel, AMD, and FUTEX2 • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ #GPL #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 09 20:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kernel: Intel, AMD, and FUTEX2 | Tux MachinesOct 09 20:33
DaemonFCThe Wayland session is rather aggravatingOct 09 20:41
techrights-news#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 09 20:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesOct 09 20:41
DaemonFCBut again, they don't install it by default so I think this must be why.Oct 09 20:41
techrights-newstechrights-news Firefox 93 #AVIF support 09 20:47
techrights-newsGoogle plans to use regular Linux kernel for Android 09 20:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Kernel: Google, Xen, and Mesa | Tux MachinesOct 09 20:48
techrights-news#Python Has Become the Most Popular #programming Language, According to TIOBE ⚓ ䷉ #linuxiac | more in 09 20:49
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DaemonFCWell, the small icons in the right click menu can be partially fixed in KDE on a hidpi display.Oct 09 20:56
DaemonFCThey're set to 16 by default. You can go as high as 22, which isn't big enough, but looks better in the right click menus, without overflowing dialog boxes.Oct 09 20:57
techrights-news#Debian -Based Sparky and #EasyOS Updates • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 09 20:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Debian-Based Sparky and EasyOS Updates | Tux MachinesOct 09 20:57
DaemonFCAnd my touchpad doesn't resume in the Xorg session.Oct 09 20:58
DaemonFCLovely.Oct 09 20:58
DaemonFCOkay, I think curiosity got the better of me on this one.Oct 09 20:58
DaemonFCMay try Mageia next.Oct 09 20:58
DaemonFCIt's kind of depressing that GNOME is the only thing that works right on this.Oct 09 21:02
schestowitz-TRtouchpad?Oct 09 21:03
DaemonFCYeah. Maybe it's because GNOME doesn't really use X11 anymore.Oct 09 21:03
DaemonFCYou can start it up with X11, but it's not intended to be used that way.Oct 09 21:04
techrights-newsUnderpaying people while the rich hoard all the capital 09 21:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Tech feels labor market crunchOct 09 21:04
DaemonFCWayland actually fixed so much X11 fuckery on that laptop. Nothing that runs under X11 works right.Oct 09 21:04
DaemonFCX11 applications running on XWayland are fine.Oct 09 21:04
techrights-newsAnti-Linux FUD aplenty. I'm sure #microsoft loves these lies more than it 'loves' Linux. 09 21:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Security FUD From ESET Against So-called 'Linux' | Tux MachinesOct 09 21:05
techrights-news[Older] #Apache Software Foundation updates Drill for broader SQL queries 09 21:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apache Software Foundation updates Drill for broader SQL queries | VentureBeatOct 09 21:05
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, X11 likes to forget that you have, you know, input devices.Oct 09 21:06
DaemonFCOn some of the computers I've ran it on, it forgets that there's a screen as soon as the computer comes back from suspend.Oct 09 21:07
DaemonFCAnd the recent Intel graphics drivers work much better on Wayland than X11.Oct 09 21:07
techrights-newsThe Soul of the Movement: 30 Years of Linux (Part 2) mentioned GNU a lotOct 09 21:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Happy 30th Birthday, Linux! | Tux MachinesOct 09 21:07
DaemonFCThere's obviously a lot of baggage in KDE that they're having a hard time getting rid of.Oct 09 21:08
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DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, Is opensuse still owned by a troll?Oct 09 21:08
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techrights-news2 decade ago you could say #ZDNet covered news. Now it's SPAM and jokers like, "Is learning how to code hard?"Oct 09 21:11
schestowitz-TRsort ofOct 09 21:11
schestowitz-TRdon't do SUSEOct 09 21:11
schestowitz-TRDebian 11 is OKOct 09 21:11
schestowitz-TRbut I realise you tinkerOct 09 21:11
schestowitz-TRand you're out-tinkered itOct 09 21:12
schestowitz-TRmaybe have a spin/go at archOct 09 21:12
schestowitz-TRor some arch-based distroOct 09 21:12
DaemonFC"1.4 UEFI—Unified Extensible Firmware Interface REPORT DOCUMENTATION BUG#Oct 09 21:13
DaemonFCPrior to installing openSUSE on a system that boots using UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface), you are urgently advised to check for any firmware updates the hardware vendor recommends and, if available, to install such an update. A pre-installation of Windows 8 or later is a strong indication that your system boots using UEFI.Oct 09 21:13
DaemonFCBackground: Some UEFI firmware has bugs that cause it to break if too much data gets written to the UEFI storage area. However, there is no clear data of how much is “too much”.Oct 09 21:13
DaemonFCopenSUSE minimizes the risk by not writing more than the bare minimum required to boot the OS. The minimum means telling the UEFI firmware about the location of the openSUSE boot loader. Upstream Linux kernel features that use the UEFI storage area for storing boot and crash information (pstore) have been disabled by default. Nevertheless, it is recommended to install any firmware updates the hardware vendor recommends."Oct 09 21:13
DaemonFCOpenSUSE admits what a piece of shit uEFI is.Oct 09 21:13
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, Maybe quote them somewhere?Oct 09 21:13
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schestowitz-TRyou can climb up the hill and fetch very recent versions of thingsOct 09 21:13
DaemonFCI like Debian 11 with GNOME, a lot, except they ought to change their package dependencies a little.Oct 09 21:14
DaemonFCIt's offensive that I have to have Firefox and removing it will leave a broken systemOct 09 21:14
schestowitz-TRyou can remove itOct 09 21:14
schestowitz-TRthen it might install other thingsOct 09 21:14
DaemonFCChromium, which is in some ways even more of a fucking disaster than Firefox.Oct 09 21:17
techrights-news"Use Collabora Online to edit documents from within the web browser, à la Google Docs and Microsoft 360" 09 21:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Here's how to setup your own Microsoft 365 alternative | TechRadarOct 09 21:17
DaemonFCI wonder if ungoogled Chromium counts as provides chromium or if I actually do need to make a dummy package.Oct 09 21:18
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DaemonFCAs long as Apt thinks I am participating in Browser Fascism, it'll leave me alone.Oct 09 21:18
techrights-news#socialcontrolmedia like #facebook contributes to this problem and helps distract from #oligarchy as a risk 09 21:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How Business Leaders Can Reduce PolarizationOct 09 21:18
DaemonFC"1.5 UEFI, GPT, and MS-DOS partitions REPORT DOCUMENTATION BUG#Oct 09 21:23
DaemonFCTogether with the EFI/UEFI specification, a new style of partitioning arrived: GPT (GUID Partition Table). This new schema uses globally unique identifiers (128-bit values displayed in 32 hexadecimal digits) to identify devices and partition types.Oct 09 21:23
DaemonFCAdditionally, the UEFI specification also allows legacy MBR (MS-DOS) partitions. The Linux boot loaders (ELILO or GRUB 2) try to automatically generate a GUID for those legacy partitions, and write them to the firmware. Such a GUID can change frequently, causing a rewrite in the firmware. A rewrite consists of two different operations: Removing the old entry and creating a new entry that replaces the first one.Oct 09 21:23
DaemonFCModern firmware has a garbage collector that collects deleted entries and frees the memory reserved for old entries. A problem arises when faulty firmware does not collect and free those entries. This can result in a non-bootable system.Oct 09 21:23
DaemonFCTo work around this problem, convert the legacy MBR partition to GPT."Oct 09 21:24
DaemonFCLOLOct 09 21:24
techrights-newsConservations we support say, "please h in Facebook!" So sad on so many levels, even referring to a truly malicious company as "community"; yeah, I'm sure the animals are delighted to get "LIKES!"Oct 09 21:24
techrights-news#TechRepublic -- a sister site of #zdnet -- is fake 'news'; this is a grotesque FALSE DICHOTOMY, a false choice between two arms of US #surveillance complex and a dangerous trap everyone must avoid. #clowncomputing is for dummies who don't understand tech and are misled by crooked sites like TechRepublic 09 21:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Analysis: Google Workspace or Microsoft 365? - TechRepublicOct 09 21:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Analysis: Google Workspace or Microsoft 365? - TechRepublicOct 09 21:27
techrights-news"Human activities — including trawl fishing and the deep-sea mining activities that some companies are beginning to contemplate — weaken the ocean’s sequestration potential." 09 21:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A sea change for seafloor mapping | GreenbizOct 09 21:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A sea change for seafloor mapping | GreenbizOct 09 21:28
techrights-newsAll Pythonistas should switch to Go… or okay, maybe just half #programmingOct 09 21:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | All Pythonistas should switch to Go… or okay, maybe just halfOct 09 21:31
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schestowitz"One of those projects we’ve been hearing about for years. I think most distributions still default to ext4 – except for Fedora."Oct 09 21:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Examining btrfs, Linux’s perpetually half-finished filesystem – OSnewsOct 09 21:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Examining btrfs, Linux’s perpetually half-finished filesystem – OSnewsOct 09 21:33
DaemonFC<schestowitz> "One of those projects we’ve been hearing about for years. I think most distributions still default to ext4 – except for Fedora."Oct 09 21:37
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: the jab worksOct 09 21:37
schestowitz-TRvery wellOct 09 21:37
DaemonFCOpenSUSE switched to BtrFS, then Fedora did.Oct 09 21:37
schestowitz-TR2000 deaths in US yesterday, not counting FLOct 09 21:37
schestowitz-TRFL not reportingOct 09 21:37
DaemonFCUbuntu switched to ZFS I think.Oct 09 21:38
schestowitz-TRleave aside SUSOct 09 21:38
schestowitz-TRSUSE and OpenSUSE are dead endsOct 09 21:38
schestowitz-TRwe need to push people towards communitiesOct 09 21:38
schestowitz-TRmake Linux grassroots agsinOct 09 21:38
schestowitz-TRthe way it is going, we get androids and chromeOct 09 21:38
DaemonFCI noticed that OpenSUSE was making bizarre development decisions, even more than Fedora does.Oct 09 21:38
schestowitz-TRwith imposed gmail accountsOct 09 21:39
DaemonFCWell, Mageia is fine to recommend, I think.Oct 09 21:39
DaemonFCI just don't have any experience with it.Oct 09 21:39
schestowitz-TRand lots of crap that accomplished nothing significantOct 09 21:39
schestowitz-TRmageia would be OKOct 09 21:39
schestowitz-TRif you look for tinkeringOct 09 21:39
DaemonFCAssuming it works okay.Oct 09 21:39
schestowitz-TRI doubt it'll be any better than debianOct 09 21:39
DaemonFCWell, it seems to have picked the same versions of most of the components as Debian 11 did.Oct 09 21:39
techrights-news#AlmaLinux OS Foundation Membership Opens to the Public 09 21:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | RHEL Clones: CentOS Latest and AlmaLinux Foundation | Tux MachinesOct 09 21:40
DaemonFCBut it kept the Mandriva kernel scheme where you can switch to different kernels.Oct 09 21:41
techrights-newsTop 10 In-Demand #Programming Language that Will Rule in 2021 09 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Top 10 In-Demand Programming Language that Will Rule in 2021Oct 09 21:41
DaemonFCLike Linux-Next, RT, the Zen Kernel, or one optimized for servers.Oct 09 21:41
DaemonFCThe server ones were mostly optimized for maximum performance at the expense of responsiveness, and the realtime kernels were kind of the other way around.Oct 09 21:42
DaemonFCIt made more difference in the 2.6 series.Oct 09 21:42
techrights-news"During the dot-com boom, the technology contender for e-money was eCash from DigiCash, and this CBDC design is based on the ideas of its founder David Chaum and the successor to eCash, the open source #GNU Taler." 09 21:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A digital dollar CBDC may use this privacy preserving design - Ledger Insights - enterprise blockchainOct 09 21:45
techrights-news#Ubuntu -based Pop!_OS Spotted on Raspberry Pi • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 09 21:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ubuntu-based Pop!_OS Spotted on Raspberry Pi | Tux MachinesOct 09 21:51
techrights-news5 months later #liberachat reaches 50k users -- nowhere near the 90k users that old #freenode had. Likely just a net loss for #irc 09 21:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NO TITLEOct 09 21:55
techrights-news#patents #patent mmonopolies #covid19 #grifting 09 22:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Financial speculation surrounding coronavirus drug developed with taxpayer money - The Washington PostOct 09 22:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Financial speculation surrounding coronavirus drug developed with taxpayer money - The Washington PostOct 09 22:01
schestowitz-TRwow, bezospost uses clownflareOct 09 22:01
schestowitz-TRaws not gooe enough?Oct 09 22:01
techrights-news#upc as in #unitarypatent or #unifiedpatentcourt is dead, but there's this other UPC :-) 09 22:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A history of barcodes - a revolution that took 20 years to happen | Benoni City TimesOct 09 22:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A history of barcodes - a revolution that took 20 years to happen | Benoni City TimesOct 09 22:03
techrights-news"he UPC project is designed to establish dedicated payment" = another #upc which unlike #unitarypatent or #unifiedpatentcourt is not dead. So... UPC isn't dead :-) except the #patent one 09 22:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Visa working on blockchain interoperability hub for crypto paymentsOct 09 22:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Visa working on blockchain interoperability hub for crypto paymentsOct 09 22:05
techrights-newsHoarding #patents on life and on nature visa #crispr loopholes and #lobbying #patent #monopoliesOct 09 22:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mammoth's New GC On Biotech Startups Challenges, CRISPR - Law360Oct 09 22:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mammoth's New GC On Biotech Startups Challenges, CRISPR - Law360Oct 09 22:08
techrights-news#hogwash from greedy #patent lawyers, not even disproving the title but rather deflecting and lying, distorting what's actually happening. Public funds the work, public then forced to pay trillions to few grifters with not-so-good product. 09 22:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Are Patents To Blame For Scarcity Of Vaccines? - Intellectual Property - ItalyOct 09 22:09
techrights-newsMaking a #patent #pyramidscheme and then treating it like a marvel of humanity 09 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Patents On NFT? No, NFT On Patents! - Intellectual Property - AustriaOct 09 22:11
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techrights-newsDisguising #softwarepatents as "Hey Hi" again, as usual... the new loopholes riding the wave of #buzzwords and hype #swpatsOct 09 22:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Artificial Intelligence Invention Patent Protection TrendsOct 09 22:13
techrights-newsIn courts, #swpats are still mostly worthless 09 22:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Federal Circuit Affirms Credit Card Security Patent DecisionOct 09 22:14
techrights-news"Smart"? What did this SUV score in the SATs? #buzzwords #crap #patentsOct 09 22:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Smart SUV's Production Design Leaked In Patent Filings | CarBuzzOct 09 22:17
techrights-newsNo, this is not what #patents and exclusivity are assured to do; they're just misleading shareholders 09 22:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Valqari Secures Position as Drone Delivery Industry Leader with New U.S. PatentOct 09 22:19
techrights-news#patentTroll #sisvel still active and #patent #litigation fanatics are loving it 09 22:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Patent case: Sisvel Int. S.A. vs. Shenzhen Tinno and Wiko SAS, Netherlands - Kluwer Patent BlogOct 09 22:20
techrights-newsWe Can Shut Down Crimes Exposed in the Pandora Papers ⚓ ䷉ #theintercept owner is #omidyar -- how much in taxes does HE pay?Oct 09 22:32
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techrights-newsGo back, go back, go away #socialcontrolmedia #polarization #zuckerberg #facebook #evilOct 09 22:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook, Whatsapp and Instagram back after outage - BBC NewsOct 09 22:33
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techrights-newsWow. #bbc has outsourced itself to #clownflare ... #billgates and British taxpayers pay for that site (the former for self-serving propaganda or silence about his crimes) and then they serve pages from AN AMERICAN SPYING COMPANY. NOT ACCEPTABLE.Oct 09 22:35
techrights-newsSad to say this, but half the time it feels like RMS Web site is an 'ad' for #billgates #astroturfing site 'guardian'. Need more source diversity... I told him a decade ago already.Oct 09 22:36
techrights-newsCompress Your SVGs, Save Space With #SVGCleaner - Invidious ⚓ ䷉ #video #invidiousOct 09 22:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Compress Your SVGs, Save Space With SVGCleaner - InvidiousOct 09 22:37
techrights-newsSeems apt they have put #chrome logo on plain red flag like Soviey Union or China because it's Orwellian #spyware 09 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 12 Chrome Flags to Boost Your Browsing - Make Tech EasierOct 09 22:39
techrights-news#freesw wins not when all people move from #microsoft to #google (or Microsoft to Apple for that matter) but when we make gains on freedom. For that matter, #linux is not enough either. 09 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Free Software Freedom is Not Linux | TechrightsOct 09 22:40
techrights-newsAbout an hour from now, as scheduled, #techrights will publish the #Luxembourg series. #epo #corruptionOct 09 22:41
techrights-newsVery inefficient way to boil up a cuppa' :/ 09 22:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Making Coffee With Hydrogen | HackadayOct 09 22:45
techrights-newsVideos/Audiocasts/Shows: • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 09 22:46
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techrights-news"The open source world and Chinese manufacturing have a long relationship. Some fifteen years ago, the big topic was how companies could open-source their hardware designs and not get driven bankrupt by competition from overseas." 09 22:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hackers And China | HackadayOct 09 22:48
techrights-newsToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝖳𝗎𝗑 𝖬𝖺𝖼𝗁𝗂𝗇𝖾𝗌 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesOct 09 22:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesOct 09 22:48
techrights-newsThe front page is outdated. #RedoRescue 4.0.0 has just been released. #gnu #linux #lxdeOct 09 22:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Redo Rescue: Backup and Recovery Made Easy | Bare metal restoreOct 09 22:50
techrights-newsWe Built A Giant Flying Boat - Invidious ⚓ ䷉ #video #invidious #3dprintingOct 09 22:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | We Built A Giant Flying Boat - InvidiousOct 09 22:52
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DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, Would you call Manjaro a community distribution?Oct 09 23:12
DaemonFCI don't think that they seem to care much about Free Software, but is there a corporation behind it?Oct 09 23:13
DaemonFCOr seedy characters.Oct 09 23:13
schestowitz-TRit's not the official oneOct 09 23:13
schestowitz-TRit's a bunch of hipsters perhapsOct 09 23:13
schestowitz-TRif you moan about some software freedom-related thing, they won't listen to youOct 09 23:14
techrights-newsThe EPO’s Overseer/Overseen Collusion — Part VII: Luxembourgish Laxity #Luxembourg #epp #corruption #europe #patentsOct 09 23:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EPO’s Overseer/Overseen Collusion — Part VII: Luxembourgish Laxity | TechrightsOct 09 23:14
DaemonFCIf you pop Flatpak's GNOME Software plugin into it, it will start advertising proprietary software, even in Debian.Oct 09 23:14
MinceRit's a systemd distribution so it wishes it was fedoraOct 09 23:14
DaemonFCThat is a problem. I wish there was some way to suppress this.Oct 09 23:14
MinceRso who cares who's behind itOct 09 23:15
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: flatpak is a systemd vectorOct 09 23:15
schestowitz-TRit's IBM inside your OSOct 09 23:15
schestowitz-TRthey told me years ago they would remove this depOct 09 23:15
schestowitz-TRand maybe they did for a wholeOct 09 23:15
DaemonFCSome of my applications are Flatpaks and some are Debian packages.Oct 09 23:15
schestowitz-TRbut now it's a hard dep across distrosOct 09 23:15
DaemonFCSome are Windows programs that I managed to get working in Wine.Oct 09 23:16
schestowitz-TRso flatpak is 'universal' and 'inclusive'... as long as you submit to IBMOct 09 23:16
DaemonFCMost of that is old video games and foobar2000.Oct 09 23:16
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: try to move to free swOct 09 23:16
schestowitz-TRfoobar is proprietaryOct 09 23:16
DaemonFCIt's always a hodgepodge and I agree that without Wine, GNU/Linux would be in more trouble.Oct 09 23:16
schestowitz-TRthe goal it to eliminate crap softwareOct 09 23:17
schestowitz-TRwine might run office ok, I've never tried thatOct 09 23:17
DaemonFCBecause if you tell people none of their favorite stuff is likely to run, then it's a non-starter.Oct 09 23:17
schestowitz-TRbut it would be missing the pointOct 09 23:17
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: rightOct 09 23:17
schestowitz-TRbut you started with vivaldiOct 09 23:17
schestowitz-TRI said, try falkonOct 09 23:17
schestowitz-TRdid you try?Oct 09 23:17
DaemonFCIt wants to dump a bunch of KDE crap everywhere.Oct 09 23:17
schestowitz-TRfalkon is VERY community-orientedOct 09 23:17
schestowitz-TRand they do not collect any dataOct 09 23:18
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DaemonFCThere's no flatpak for it.Oct 09 23:18
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: I reckon you already had lots of KDE/qt to begin withOct 09 23:18
DaemonFCI'd normally try something like this in flatpak so it didn't spew a mess everywhere.Oct 09 23:18
schestowitz-TRdon't use flatpakOct 09 23:18
schestowitz-TRflatpak sucksOct 09 23:18
schestowitz-TRunless there is no other choiceOct 09 23:18
DaemonFCNo, I converted all of the KDE and Qt applications to Flatpak.Oct 09 23:18
DaemonFCThere aren't many.Oct 09 23:19
DaemonFCVLC and QBittorrent.Oct 09 23:19
schestowitz-TRre vlcOct 09 23:19
DaemonFCThe two absolute must haves that have no GTK+ equivalent.Oct 09 23:19
schestowitz-TRwhat do you use it for?Oct 09 23:19
schestowitz-TRI stopped using vlc most of the timeOct 09 23:19
schestowitz-TRmpv is goodOct 09 23:19
schestowitz-TRparoleOct 09 23:19
schestowitz-TRaudaciuousOct 09 23:19
schestowitz-TR(for sound)Oct 09 23:19
DaemonFCI consider Qt software to be non-native.Oct 09 23:19
DaemonFCIt does function, but it's like, totally alien to the GNOME desktop in how it works.Oct 09 23:20
schestowitz-TRvlc is free sw, but I like simpler things for simpler tasksOct 09 23:20
schestowitz-TRyou are hooked on old habitsOct 09 23:20
DaemonFCI lump it in with like Windows software in Wine. Like, ugh, Qt.Oct 09 23:20
DaemonFCThis again.Oct 09 23:20
DaemonFCAnd it wants to dump software with known vulnerabilities on my computer. How nice.Oct 09 23:20
schestowitz-TRit's hard to avoid qtOct 09 23:20
schestowitz-TRmight as well surrender to it and put falkon inOct 09 23:20
schestowitz-TRkate is a fine editorOct 09 23:21
DaemonFCNobody is maintaining QtWebkit now.Oct 09 23:21
schestowitz-TRthe gnome ones are nowhere near in functionalityOct 09 23:21
DaemonFCIt's just piling up CVEs and nobody that I am aware of is fixing it.Oct 09 23:21
schestowitz-TRqtwebengineprocessOct 09 23:21
DaemonFCKDE has turned into Windows in a number of ways, I mean, it's not proprietary, it's not stuffed full of spyware.Oct 09 23:21
schestowitz-TRI have ~12 such processes right nowOct 09 23:21
schestowitz-TRkonqueror and falkonOct 09 23:22
DaemonFCBut it's buggy and kind of bitrotting and it has three web engines now.Oct 09 23:22
schestowitz-TRfirefox spwans "Web"Oct 09 23:22
schestowitz-TRand "Privileged"Oct 09 23:22
schestowitz-TR"WebExtension"Oct 09 23:22
schestowitz-TRand RDDOct 09 23:22
schestowitz-TRwth is RDD?Oct 09 23:22
schestowitz-TR1.7mb of ramOct 09 23:22
DaemonFCWell, it does have the sandbox, which tries to check its privilege. Oct 09 23:22
DaemonFCMinceR, ^ :)Oct 09 23:22
schestowitz-TRone tab of firefox, 400mb of ramOct 09 23:23
schestowitz-TRtragedy.Oct 09 23:23
DaemonFCVivaldi is just cranking out releases one after another.Oct 09 23:23
DaemonFCPutting in tons of features.Oct 09 23:23
DaemonFCUsing less RAM for 100 tabs than Firefox uses for 20.Oct 09 23:23
schestowitz-TRit's proprietaryOct 09 23:23
schestowitz-TRdon't use firefoxOct 09 23:24
DaemonFCThe problem here is that Firefox is basically dead in the water.Oct 09 23:24
schestowitz-TRbad yardstickOct 09 23:24
DaemonFCThey shit all over it now and it's a corpse.Oct 09 23:24
schestowitz-TRmozilla is a political party that wears firefox on its sleeveOct 09 23:24
DaemonFCIt's a corpse that they shit on.Oct 09 23:24
DaemonFCIt's not a modern web browser.Oct 09 23:24
DaemonFCIt's not even an efficient one.Oct 09 23:24
DaemonFCAnd it isn't Free.Oct 09 23:24
DaemonFCAnd damn Debian for putting it in there anyway.Oct 09 23:24
schestowitz-TRnot anymore, not fullyOct 09 23:24
schestowitz-TRanyway,. try falkonOct 09 23:25
DaemonFCAnd triple damn whoever made "gnome" depend on it.Oct 09 23:25
schestowitz-TRor palemoonOct 09 23:25
DaemonFCThey could have iceweaseled it again.Oct 09 23:25
schestowitz-TRfore what?Oct 09 23:25
DaemonFCRipped out the spam and spyware and trash and drm.Oct 09 23:25
schestowitz-TRtrademarks?Oct 09 23:25
schestowitz-TRthey made firefox-esrOct 09 23:25
DaemonFCMozilla insists on those or you can't call it Firefox.Oct 09 23:25
DaemonFCSo rip it all out and don't call it Firefox.Oct 09 23:25
DaemonFCTear it all down until the only parts left are FOSS.Oct 09 23:26
schestowitz-TRto avoid some of the unwanted crap, feature churn, and version inflationOct 09 23:26
DaemonFCYes, well, they could take the Firefox ESR code and build it as IceWeasel with none of the garbage.Oct 09 23:26
DaemonFCThey can even patch out Clownflare like OpenBSD does.Oct 09 23:26
schestowitz-TRdebian 10 says version of firefox 78 is now ready Oct 09 23:27
DaemonFCSomeone needs to either correct this or dump it.Oct 09 23:27
DaemonFCDebian 11 has Firefox 78.15.Oct 09 23:27
MinceR10 001713 < DaemonFC> Because if you tell people none of their favorite stuff is likely to run, then it's a non-starter.Oct 09 23:27
MinceRtelling people to switch to GNU/Linux is what landed us in this mess, with systemdOct 09 23:27
schestowitz-TRI am updating my system nowOct 09 23:27
DaemonFCThe upside to this is a lot of the stuff people run today is on the web anyway.Oct 09 23:27
DaemonFCWhich is a problem, but not as big a one as Microsoft.Oct 09 23:28
schestowitz-TRno idea why it pushes apache2 to my laptopOct 09 23:28
schestowitz-TRalso mariadbOct 09 23:28
DaemonFCMicrosoft's whole goal is to patent tens of thousands of things.Oct 09 23:28
DaemonFCThen say nobody else can use those things because it violates their imaginary property.Oct 09 23:28
DaemonFCThen 20 years later, you can finally use subpixel font antialiasing and MP3s, right in time for them to become irrelevant.Oct 09 23:29
schestowitz-TR[23:27] <MinceR> telling people to switch to GNU/Linux is what landed us in this mess, with systemdOct 09 23:29
schestowitz-TRuntrueOct 09 23:29
DaemonFCYou know, that's how the patents work, and that's what they're meant to do.Oct 09 23:29
schestowitz-TRIBM did not make it for mass adoption by 'ples'Oct 09 23:29
schestowitz-TRsorry, I meant  slavesOct 09 23:29
schestowitz-TRit made systemd because LP wants to control more units of the systemOct 09 23:29
DaemonFCThe patents are equal parts stall tactics to hamstring competition and a lawyer-based attack to steal money from other companies and people.Oct 09 23:29
schestowitz-TRI imagine ibm pays him 200k/yearOct 09 23:30
*activelow is fighting with gnome/gtk/x11 dependency hell currentlyOct 09 23:30
schestowitz-TRIBM: say slavsOct 09 23:30
schestowitz-TRnot slavesOct 09 23:30
MinceRattracting the sort of idiot that develops for windows to GNU/Linux is what resulted in all these crap designs and all this crap codeOct 09 23:30
schestowitz-TRslaves is racismOct 09 23:30
schestowitz-TRslavs is notOct 09 23:30
MinceRand the idiot users helped justify itOct 09 23:30
schestowitz-TReven though many slaves exist outside the racial contextOct 09 23:30
DaemonFCMinceR, Well, schestowitz-TR is using KDE apparently, and they already have a lot of bugs.Oct 09 23:30
MinceR"if it's like windows, it's modern, and that's what everyone's goal should be"Oct 09 23:30
DaemonFCIt's impossible to properly debug something that has thousands of possible combinations of options.Oct 09 23:31
*activelow wouldn't recommend KDE eitherOct 09 23:31
DaemonFCIf you use it this way, no bug!Oct 09 23:31
DaemonFCYou use it that way, bug!Oct 09 23:31
MinceRit's actually possible to properly debug it, if it's properly designedOct 09 23:31
schestowitz-TRnot true, imeOct 09 23:31
DaemonFCAnd you can't necessarily, easily, describe what to do to make the bug happen.Oct 09 23:31
MinceRseparate the parts from each other properly, then you can test them separatelyOct 09 23:31
DaemonFCI think that's partially why KDE is a mess.Oct 09 23:31
schestowitz-TRMinceR: which ver did you last try?Oct 09 23:31
schestowitz-TRthe 5.20+ versions are very fine and stableOct 09 23:31
schestowitz-TRhardly even visual bugsOct 09 23:32
DaemonFCAnd part of that is that they did this splitting of the "frameworks" and "desktop" and "applications.Oct 09 23:32
MinceRi don't think i've heard anyone complain that, say, shells or CLI tools are impossible to debug because there's an infinite number of possible shell scripts.Oct 09 23:32
DaemonFCWhich is fucking crazy because nobody wants it like that.Oct 09 23:32
MinceRschestowitz-TR: 4.3, probablyOct 09 23:32
schestowitz-TRthey aim at mobile, tooOct 09 23:32
MinceRthat's when i got sick of KDEOct 09 23:32
schestowitz-TRit's a big marketOct 09 23:32
DaemonFCAnd then there's a million ways to jam it together and they say they support them all, but come on.Oct 09 23:32
MinceRand i got sick of waiting for them to unfuck what worked properly in 3.5Oct 09 23:32
schestowitz-TRMinceR: yes, that one still suckedOct 09 23:32
MinceRand then they announced 5.x would depend on systemdOct 09 23:32
schestowitz-TRgentoo removes thatOct 09 23:33
MinceRat this point, i don't expect the KDE project to survive for longOct 09 23:33
DaemonFCOh I remember when Fedora pushed an update that completely broke logging out and shutting down.Oct 09 23:33
MinceR 09 23:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Is Linux About Choice?Oct 09 23:33
MinceRreminder: these people control systemd, gnome and systemd distributionsOct 09 23:33
DaemonFCAnd I had to use shutdown now from a terminal until Kevin Kofler wrote a patch to have systemd-logind handle it.Oct 09 23:33
schestowitz-TRit's good we all disagree so muchOct 09 23:33
schestowitz-TRbecause it means we have many variantsOct 09 23:33
MinceRgetting to choose gnome vs KDE is a choice, and therefore it's going awayOct 09 23:33
schestowitz-TRand it's hard to undermineOct 09 23:33
schestowitz-TRcanonical, suse, and ibm can go underOct 09 23:34
schestowitz-TRand we still have working systemsOct 09 23:34
schestowitz-TRgoogle will still do its crap with chromeosOct 09 23:34
schestowitz-TRand we can ignore themOct 09 23:34
DaemonFCThink GNOME will survive IBM and Canonical collapsing?Oct 09 23:34
MinceRoh, also, the above people also control KDE via systemdOct 09 23:34
DaemonFCEh, I guess it was around before them.Oct 09 23:34
MinceRand via proprietarydesktop.orgOct 09 23:34
schestowitz-TRthe workers will still hack on themOct 09 23:34
DaemonFCEarly GNOME was still kind of a hacker's plaything.Oct 09 23:35
schestowitz-TRmaybe in another company like blue systemdOct 09 23:35
MinceRhacking on gnome isn't going to fix gnome's designOct 09 23:35
DaemonFCThen people came along from the corporate world and "sponsored" them to do this to it.Oct 09 23:35
schestowitz-TRgnome is not for meOct 09 23:35
schestowitz-TRsome people like gnome, i'm ok with thatOct 09 23:35
DaemonFCSo in some ways we're better off and some ways we're not.Oct 09 23:35
MinceRi don't see how we could possibly be better off with macOSesque gnome vs actually usable gnomeOct 09 23:36
schestowitz-TRin the meantime windows is going nowhereOct 09 23:36
DaemonFCI always end up installing GNOME.Oct 09 23:36
schestowitz-TRSP version inflationsOct 09 23:36
DaemonFCKDE has SO MANY BUGS.Oct 09 23:36
schestowitz-TRand now many moan that vista11 isn't workingOct 09 23:36
DaemonFCIt's just you never know what will break next.Oct 09 23:36
MinceRi always end up installing fvwmOct 09 23:36
MinceRor icewmOct 09 23:36
schestowitz-TRor brings major slowdowns and nothing elseOct 09 23:36
schestowitz-TRI expected a LOT more of a media blitzOct 09 23:36
schestowitz-TRmaybe even Microsoft's marketing (bribe) budget has run thinOct 09 23:37
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, Windows 11 is a disaster and they try to scream over what's actually going on. Installation failures and "bugs" that make fast computers that are supposed to run it fine slower than hell.Oct 09 23:37
schestowitz-TRI literally opened rss reader, put windows in filter, prepared to see spam, found almost nonseOct 09 23:37
DaemonFCI think that GNOME has improved a lot in the past few years.Oct 09 23:37
schestowitz-TRthey did tons of press spamming when there was a fake 'leak'Oct 09 23:37
schestowitz-TRand then 'build'Oct 09 23:37
MinceRmaybe the redmond mafia spread itself too thinOct 09 23:38
schestowitz-TRlots of vapourware back thenOct 09 23:38
DaemonFCLike, literally the Shell alone used to leak until it was taking up over a GB of memory all by itself.Oct 09 23:38
schestowitz-TRnot this past weekOct 09 23:38
DaemonFCLately, it hasn't been leaking.Oct 09 23:38
DaemonFCThey trimmed it down a lot.Oct 09 23:38
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: good that you like gnomeOct 09 23:38
schestowitz-TRif you want awesome coding editor, kateOct 09 23:38
schestowitz-TRdecent browser, falkonOct 09 23:38
schestowitz-TRfamily-friendlyOct 09 23:38
DaemonFCGEdit has syntax highlighting.Oct 09 23:39
schestowitz-TRsome people just want ubuntu+gnome+chromium+MS MinecraftOct 09 23:39
schestowitz-TRwe need to lead them away from thoseOct 09 23:39
schestowitz-TRSteam alsoOct 09 23:39
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: when I last tried Gedit it lacked the features of kate... that's an understatementOct 09 23:39
schestowitz-TRgnome keeps things too simple for meOct 09 23:39
schestowitz-TRI even install kate inside gnomeOct 09 23:40
MinceRor we need to leave them there so the corporations that are trying to kill off computing will be busy making those suck even harderOct 09 23:40
schestowitz-TRand qupzillaOct 09 23:40
MinceRinstead of trying to take down the next OSOct 09 23:40
schestowitz-TRwe have parallel OSesOct 09 23:40
schestowitz-TRsucky LinuxesOct 09 23:40
schestowitz-TRand hacker LinuxesOct 09 23:40
DaemonFCLast time I used Kate, I couldn't even use the spell checker for some reason.Oct 09 23:40
schestowitz-TRthe latter sometimes lack systemDehomagOct 09 23:40
MinceRthere's one Linux and its days are numberedOct 09 23:41
schestowitz-TRthen you have android and crhomeosOct 09 23:41
schestowitz-TRI'm not so interested in themOct 09 23:41
DaemonFCIt seems like post-qupzilla it turned into let's just jam dependencies on KDE in here that it never needed before.Oct 09 23:41
MinceRLinus is on a leash, the other developers don't care or have already departedOct 09 23:41
schestowitz-TRbut they kill off Microsoft's air supplyOct 09 23:41
MinceRthere's an SMB server in the kernelOct 09 23:41
DaemonFCBecause fuck everyone who wants to use this and doesn't have KDE.Oct 09 23:41
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: it's a KDE browserOct 09 23:41
schestowitz-TRwith builds for other OSesOct 09 23:41
schestowitz-TRthe monolithic wayOct 09 23:42
schestowitz-TRI use almost all kde featuresOct 09 23:42
DaemonFCWell, even within a GNU/Linux distribution, different desktop environments in some ways are _almost_ like their own operating systems.Oct 09 23:42
schestowitz-TRso falkon intergrates wellOct 09 23:42
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: those are the biggest component of the OSOct 09 23:42
MinceRyeah, for example gnome doesn't want your applications to work anywhere elseOct 09 23:43
schestowitz-TRthe application and presentationOct 09 23:43
schestowitz-TRlinux is mostly simple crap and driversOct 09 23:43
MinceR 09 23:43
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schestowitz-TRlots of stuff plugged into linux, but it's just another kernelOct 09 23:43
schestowitz-TRgnu is lots of glue below the applicationsOct 09 23:43
schestowitz-TRKDE IS the OSOct 09 23:43
schestowitz-TRor the distro is the OSOct 09 23:43
schestowitz-TRand its face is the DEOct 09 23:44
MinceRKDE is a poorly tolerated mod for the GNOME OSOct 09 23:44
schestowitz-TRthey use similar servicesOct 09 23:44
schestowitz-TRbut that's just decent arhitectureOct 09 23:44
schestowitz-TRlike CUPSOct 09 23:44
schestowitz-TRno need to split thoseOct 09 23:44
schestowitz-TRIBM is dying fast enough to not eradicate alternative init systemsOct 09 23:45
schestowitz-TRDebian has alternatives like Devuan and HeadsOct 09 23:45
schestowitz-TRso in effect there are already some alternatives in place, and many people use these...Oct 09 23:45
schestowitz-TRSnap is failingOct 09 23:45
MinceRsystemd is a component of GNOME OSOct 09 23:45
MinceRKDE people love itOct 09 23:46
schestowitz-TRflatpak is not succeeding eitherOct 09 23:46
activelowsystemd is one issue among many others with graphical desktop componentsOct 09 23:46
MinceRheads hasn't been updated in agesOct 09 23:46
MinceRdevuan doesn't have the manpower to build an openssh-server that doesn't depend on libsystemd0Oct 09 23:47
schestowitz-TRyou know I'm pessimistic, but I am an optimist about the future of this OS because the proprietary ones are not able to sustain themselvesOct 09 23:47
schestowitz-TRthey collapse under their own weight and complexityOct 09 23:47
schestowitz-TRapps and "mobiles" are a bloody jokeOct 09 23:47
schestowitz-TRthey're technically computersOct 09 23:47
MinceRthere are other free OS-esOct 09 23:47
schestowitz-TRlike a theormostate isOct 09 23:47
MinceRactually free, not puppeted around by dehomag and the redmond mafiaOct 09 23:48
schestowitz-TRif your life it about uploading selifies and pressing  likes on made-up 'news'Oct 09 23:48
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schestowitz-TRopenssh-server does not need systemdOct 09 23:48
schestowitz-TRopenssh-server is cross platformOct 09 23:48
activelowthere is some other weird dependency graphs, for SVG/icons, cairo vector graphicsOct 09 23:49
schestowitz-TRheads was more like proof of conceptOct 09 23:49
schestowitz-TRit can re-emerge any timeOct 09 23:49
activelowthe code paths for directfb have been deactivated everywhereOct 09 23:49
DaemonFCYeah, there's been GNU/Solaris and GNU/BSD.Oct 09 23:49
DaemonFCAnd even GNU/Darwin.Oct 09 23:49
schestowitz-TRthere is hurb/debian 11Oct 09 23:49
schestowitz-TRand almost nobody mentioned itOct 09 23:50
DaemonFCThere still is a Pure Darwin OS I think.Oct 09 23:50
activelownext escalation: GTK4 depends on opengl-renderer presence, with it clang/llvm monstrosity, and almost always proprietary GPUOct 09 23:50
schestowitz-TRhurd doesn't do systemdOct 09 23:50
activelowgtk1/2 didn't require any of thisOct 09 23:50
DaemonFCIt's the Darwin kernel with GNU on top and I think it runs GNOME and KDE.Oct 09 23:50
MinceR10 004843 < schestowitz-TR> openssh-server does not need systemdOct 09 23:50
MinceRdebian's package of it, however, doesOct 09 23:50
schestowitz-TRwe have lots of kernels nowOct 09 23:50
schestowitz-TRlinux has the most devices driversOct 09 23:50
schestowitz-TR*deviceOct 09 23:50
MinceR10 005008 < schestowitz-TR> hurd doesn't do systemdOct 09 23:50
MinceRyet.Oct 09 23:50
activelowthe DRI/DRM graphics stack poisons kernel too... thing is graphical desktop did NOT need any proprietary "acceleration" for decadesOct 09 23:51
DaemonFCHURD Herp Uhhh RRRRRP DERP.Oct 09 23:51
MinceRthey're working on itOct 09 23:51
schestowitz-TRthey can get momentumOct 09 23:51
DaemonFCHURD doesn't do much except crash a lot.Oct 09 23:51
MinceRit will get workseOct 09 23:51
schestowitz-TRif LF pisses off enough kerner hackers and pentagon 'tech' companies go underOct 09 23:51
MinceRs/ks/s/Oct 09 23:51
schestowitz-TRthe US as a whole is going the way of the dodoOct 09 23:51
MinceRLinux kernel hackers aren't doing shitOct 09 23:51
MinceRif they cared, they would have forked Linux alreadyOct 09 23:51
activelowi think i can reactivate gtk2+directfbOct 09 23:51
DaemonFC<schestowitz-TR> the US as a whole is going the way of the dodoOct 09 23:52
DaemonFCWhy are you laughing? You're 20 years ahead of us.Oct 09 23:52
schestowitz-TRMinceR: they need many others to have similar motivationsOct 09 23:52
activelowand then check, what's available with gtk2Oct 09 23:52
schestowitz-TRMinceR: mjg59_ tried to 'fork' linux in MS githubOct 09 23:52 not proprietary enough for himOct 09 23:52
DaemonFCChina's economy got bigger than yours not that long after the Hong Kong handover.Oct 09 23:52
activelowdidn't some projects fork gnome because of gtk3?Oct 09 23:52
activelowmate desktop iircOct 09 23:52
MinceRgarrettux wouldn't have gotten rid of the CoC, nor of corporate controlOct 09 23:52
DaemonFCIt took it another 21 years to overtake the total size of ours.Oct 09 23:52
MinceRit was an attempt to enforce bothOct 09 23:53
DaemonFCBut Purchasing Power Parity is about 5 times lower.Oct 09 23:53
MinceRbut now hartmanux does it allOct 09 23:53
schestowitz-TRthere are already forks of gnome2Oct 09 23:53
schestowitz-TRno need for moreOct 09 23:53
schestowitz-TRthey need to deletegithub thoughOct 09 23:53
DaemonFCschestowitz-TR, Also, a lot of their growth is fake.Oct 09 23:53
MinceRgnome2 was forked, but it was pointless, as gnome2 was already crapOct 09 23:53
DaemonFCThey're starting to have those old age colony problems of Japan and those US-like banking and real estate scandals spilling out.Oct 09 23:53
DaemonFCSo maybe they're in trouble too? Lots of decaying infrastructure that was built by communists.Oct 09 23:54
DaemonFCFast and cheap and now damns burst and kill thousands in one go.Oct 09 23:54
schestowitz-TRin USOct 09 23:54
schestowitz-TRnot in chinaOct 09 23:54
schestowitz-TRmaybe in china tooOct 09 23:54
schestowitz-TRUS ir rotting awayOct 09 23:54
schestowitz-TRdetroit ahead of the curveOct 09 23:54
DaemonFCSome of the US is.Oct 09 23:54
DaemonFCIt's really unfair to judge the entire country by a dying region.Oct 09 23:55
schestowitz-TR22 billion dollars for HOLOLENSOct 09 23:55
schestowitz-TRfor supposed 'army' contractOct 09 23:55
DaemonFCThe midwest is doing badly, because the fucking idiot Democrats chased everyone out with crime and high taxes.Oct 09 23:55
schestowitz-TRarmy that cannot win against taliban!Oct 09 23:55
DaemonFCAnd all of the people who are worth a bag of beans are heading south or west or east.Oct 09 23:55
schestowitz-TRdamn those damsOct 09 23:55
schestowitz-TRlet them fallOct 09 23:55
schestowitz-TRworry about the floods laterOct 09 23:55
MinceRlet the bodies hit the floor?Oct 09 23:56
schestowitz-TR[23:55] <DaemonFC> It's really unfair to judge the entire country by a dying region.Oct 09 23:56
schestowitz-TRit's not unfsairOct 09 23:56
schestowitz-TRyou judge societies by how they treat the worstOct 09 23:56
DaemonFCYou know, Indiana used to be a fairly progressive state. Wanna know why it isn't now? Wanna know why it rots and gets state legislators that go herr derrr I got COVID and god saved me!?Oct 09 23:56
schestowitz-TRUS executes many peopleOct 09 23:56
activelowi am not forking gnome2Oct 09 23:56
schestowitz-TRand doesn't offer them basics like access to healthOct 09 23:56
DaemonFCBecause once the progressives have raised taxes and caused a complete fucking mess, they bail on the state to live elsewhere and then start over.Oct 09 23:57
DaemonFCThen the state they left falls to the other fucking idiots.Oct 09 23:57
schestowitz-TRprogressives?Oct 09 23:57
schestowitz-TRprogressives by whose standard?Oct 09 23:57
schestowitz-TRcorporate wall street?Oct 09 23:57
DaemonFCYou know, the ones who are incredibly racist.Oct 09 23:57
DaemonFCBLM! But my company doesn't hire any blacks.... - mjg59_ Oct 09 23:58
schestowitz-TRthat;s not progressivesOct 09 23:58
MinceRthe (slightly) less economical-right of the two parties in the USA that have a chance to control the governmentOct 09 23:58
DaemonFCAlso mjg59_: Blacks are stupid and can't be held accountable for anything they do.Oct 09 23:58
DaemonFCAlso also mjg59_ Blacks are oppressed by a malignant evil invisible force of whiteness in general.Oct 09 23:58
MinceRthey're also a member of the Progressive Alliance :>Oct 09 23:59
schestowitz-TRDaemonFC: enough, you're just provokingOct 09 23:59
DaemonFCWith that attitude given to people, that they are not responsible for their actions and they're oppressed by invisible people who don't actually exist or wish them harm, sets them up to fail.Oct 09 23:59

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