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techrights-bot"Right now there are two groups of people with opinions on this matter. One group is appalled by the original report, because they have a number of serious concerns with the report." #perl #programming #division 24 00:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Witch and the Witch-hunt | Leon Timmermans []May 24 00:00
techrights-bot#LinuxFoundation is to #Linux what artificial (lab-made) 'meat' is to meat. Or what 'soy milk' is to actual milk, with lactose and all...May 24 00:03
techrights-bot" #Stryde uses an #Arduino Nano Every at its core to store presets, display information, and select effects." 24 00:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Stryde is an Arduino Nano Every-powered MIDI preset loader | Arduino BlogMay 24 00:03
techrights-botDNS Over HTTPS: Next Step In Internet Privacy but some supposed 'pioneers' of this send your requests to #surveillance companies worse than, e.g., your ISP, and even located OVERSEAS. I'm look at you, #google -funded #mozillaMay 24 00:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DNS Over HTTPS: Next Step In Internet Privacy - YouTubeMay 24 00:05
techrights-botI've renewed the TLS cert of #techrights for those who strictly insist on using HTTPS, but it is self-signed and please don't ask me to change this. I'm not outsourcing trust to the corrupt #linuxfoundation (LF LE)May 24 00:07
stormchaser3000I don't get why centralized certificate authorities were ever a good ideaMay 24 00:09
techrights-botUnpopular truth: #LetsEncrypt is an exercise of control over many sites and services. Whose control? Check where LE puts its code, #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware (PRISMHub), and check who LF fronts for. #Surveillance companies with MASSIVE Pentagon contracts (subsidies).May 24 00:09
techrights-bot#github : #ProprietarySoftware for exercising control over lots of #freesw devs: #LetsEncrypt : let's outsource the keys to the United States, even for things outside the US. Same for #clownflare (for traffic).May 24 00:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Story About Microsoft’s Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | TechrightsMay 24 00:10
schestowitzstormchaser3000: because your browser stops naggingMay 24 00:11
schestowitzlikely some Google-something browserMay 24 00:11
schestowitzof GooglezillaMay 24 00:11
stormchaser3000ahMay 24 00:11
schestowitzit's also not so much for youMay 24 00:11
MinceRi guess the counterpart of googlezilla would be moogleMay 24 00:11
schestowitzit's good for some other entitiesMay 24 00:11
schestowitzit can enhance your privacy, sureMay 24 00:11
schestowitzbut at what cost?May 24 00:11
stormchaser3000how would having a centralized public keyserver for https sites enhance one's privacy?May 24 00:12
stormchaser3000I am sure there is a piece of the puzzle I am missing for sureMay 24 00:12
schestowitz[08:15] <schestowitz__> 24 00:13
schestowitz[08:15] <schestowitz__> 24 00:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Regaining Control Over Infrastructure With Decentralisation and Trusted Encryption | TechrightsMay 24 00:13
schestowitz[08:15] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- | Let’s Encrypt is Garbage, Albeit It’s Disguised as ‘Free’ Privacy | TechrightsMay 24 00:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Let’s Encrypt is Garbage, Albeit It’s Disguised as ‘Free’ Privacy | TechrightsMay 24 00:13
schestowitz[08:15] <schestowitz__> this was just a year ago: 24 00:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Techrights Urges Readers to Ask the Linux Foundation’s Let’s Encrypt (Backed by Companies That Give the NSA Back Doors) Some Hard But Legitimate Questions | TechrightsMay 24 00:13
schestowitzwe went through this yesterdatMay 24 00:13
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schestowitzyou can read the publicly-posted IRC logsMay 24 00:13
stormchaser3000okMay 24 00:14
*stormchaser3000 starts wondering if his own website should not even use httpsMay 24 00:14
schestowitzOh, maybe not yetMay 24 00:14
schestowitznot until 2am hereMay 24 00:14
schestowitzlast log does  not include that, as it ws past midnight 24 00:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, May 22, 2021May 24 00:14
stormchaser3000I don't see why I need to bother with https on my site... it doesn't have a login system or commenting system for articles I writeMay 24 00:15
schestowitzthe above is around 8am todayMay 24 00:15
schestowitzwell, sundayMay 24 00:15
stormchaser3000if someone wants to commend on an article I write, they can grab my public key and send me an encrypted E-MailMay 24 00:15
stormchaser3000comment*May 24 00:15
schestowitz[00:15] <stormchaser3000> I don't see why I need to bother with https on my site... it doesn't have a login system or commenting system for articles I writeMay 24 00:15
schestowitzit helps monopolyMay 24 00:15
schestowitzbut that is a site perk fro monopoliesMay 24 00:15
schestowitzthey raised the barrier to entryMay 24 00:15
schestowitzmany people nowadays get frustrated and give uoMay 24 00:16
schestowitzcrypto stuff is hard to graspMay 24 00:16
schestowitzso they outsource to, blogspot etc.May 24 00:16
schestowitzlike Red Hat adding complexity to stuffMay 24 00:16
schestowitzand then people just sigh and say, "let's buy annual support contract for peace of mind"May 24 00:16
stormchaser3000which is odd considering how easy it is to learn html and build a websiteMay 24 00:16
schestowitzit wasMay 24 00:17
schestowitzgemini is still easyMay 24 00:17
schestowitzand it does self-signed keysMay 24 00:17
schestowitznothing would complainMay 24 00:17
schestowitz85% of geminispace is self-signedMay 24 00:17
schestowitz13% LEMay 24 00:17
schestowitz2% something elseMay 24 00:17
stormchaser3000O.oMay 24 00:17
stormchaser3000fascinatingMay 24 00:17
schestowitzHTML used to have lower entry barrierMay 24 00:17
schestowitzI did HTML when I was about 15May 24 00:18
schestowitznow it's hilariously badMay 24 00:18
schestowitz10 CSS file, JS frameworks all over the plaeMay 24 00:18
schestowitzobfuscated code for "efficiency"May 24 00:18
stormchaser3000I suppose with the advent of JavaScript being a social requirement to "develop" a "website" thing have become more difficultMay 24 00:18
schestowitzhere, have 10 MB of fontsMay 24 00:18
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schestowitzI removed newlines to save 100 bytes :-)May 24 00:18
stormchaser3000my instructor in my web development class (college was such a massive waste of time for me) told me that code obfuscation was a "good" reason for "minification" of JavaScript codeMay 24 00:19
schestowitz8 years ago I learned people were starting to literally send FONTS to visitorsMay 24 00:20
schestowitzeven if they just visit 1 (ONE!) pageMay 24 00:20
stormchaser3000sending fonts... why?May 24 00:20
schestowitzI was dumbfoundedMay 24 00:20
schestowitzlike, WHAT DA FUNK!!May 24 00:20
schestowitzwhy?May 24 00:20
stormchaser3000why not just specify the font family and a backup in-case it doesn't exist on the user's system?May 24 00:20
schestowitz"because my visitors need to see EXACTLY WHAT I SEE!!:May 24 00:20
*stormchaser3000 facepalms at the state of "modern" software "development"May 24 00:21
schestowitzthose are not light fonts eitherMay 24 00:21
schestowitzproprietary witjh kerning and hintingMay 24 00:21
schestowitz1MB is you are LUCKYMay 24 00:21
schestowitzusually a lot moreMay 24 00:21
stormchaser3000wowMay 24 00:21
schestowitzwith many chars you will never use; useless glyphs flooding the networkMay 24 00:21
schestowitzyeah, sure, CNN, send me thousands of mandarin and hangul stuff so I can read 4 paragraphs about how awesome Obama wasMay 24 00:22
schestowitz(in English)May 24 00:22
stormchaser3000I really can't believe that I went to college under the impression that I needed it in order to get a jobMay 24 00:23
schestowitzgemini we host from homeMay 24 00:23
schestowitzit's about 10kb per page for long articlesMay 24 00:23
stormchaser3000beause this sort of thing is the garbage I was taughtMay 24 00:23
schestowitzi.e. 100 requests would be 1MBMay 24 00:23
schestowitzso it scales wellMay 24 00:23
stormchaser3000web development and Android developmentMay 24 00:23
schestowitz'development'May 24 00:23
schestowitz[mini me meme]May 24 00:23
schestowitzI did Android developmentMay 24 00:23
schestowitzin EclipseMay 24 00:23
schestowitzwith opencvMay 24 00:24
schestowitzgemini:// 24 00:24
stormchaser3000Now days the barrier to entry for writing an Android "app" is so high that the only viable soltuion for beginners is basically android studioMay 24 00:24
stormchaser3000a proprietary fork of intellij IDEA for the x86_64 architectureMay 24 00:25
stormchaser3000meaning I can't write a piece of software for Android on my Pi 400 or my Pinebook ProMay 24 00:25
stormchaser3000also because the sdk tools are x86_64 onlyMay 24 00:26
schestowitzyes, I knowMay 24 00:26
schestowitzthey abstract itMay 24 00:26
schestowitzon top of bloatMay 24 00:26
schestowitzand you then become reliant on itMay 24 00:26
schestowitzuntil they pull the rugMay 24 00:26
stormchaser3000exactlyMay 24 00:26
schestowitzthen you have worthless code that won't run on anything anymoreMay 24 00:27
schestowitzI still use PalmOS stuffMay 24 00:27
schestowitzbut some packages aren't well maintained anymoreMay 24 00:27
schestowitzlike jpilot and kpilotMay 24 00:27
techrights-botExpect more #epo #greenwashing puff pieces such as this one in days to come paid-for propaganda to obscure the real scandals: 24 00:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 4 charts show how tech is driving green energy trends | World Economic ForumMay 24 00:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EPO’s War on Justice and Assault on the Law — Part 18: Promoting the Illusion of Peace and Haar-mony | TechrightsMay 24 00:28
stormchaser3000on a somewhat related note, if computers are becoming such integral parts of many individuals lives, there should be classes to educate young students (k - 12) on how to operate a program a computer via practical application of basic computing concepts such as how to write simple softwareMay 24 00:30
stormchaser3000operate a computerMay 24 00:30
schestowitzyes, that's an objectiveMay 24 00:30
stormchaser3000*May 24 00:31
schestowitzthey teach applications, I think, de facto trainingMay 24 00:31
schestowitztoday I worked on my single-board computerMay 24 00:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Using a Single-Board Computer to Monitor IPFS | TechrightsMay 24 00:31
schestowitzI still need to borrow a soldering gun, the lock-downs have prevented this since last yearMay 24 00:32
stormchaser3000I was taught how to write algorithms by my instructor, not why those algorithms worked or how they could be useful in real world situationsMay 24 00:32
stormchaser3000he also taught the C programming language as if it were an object-oriented langaugeMay 24 00:32
stormchaser3000I am so frustrated with how awful my college education has beenMay 24 00:33
stormchaser3000the only class I found super interesting was my creative writing classMay 24 00:33
schestowitzah, I see...May 24 00:34
schestowitzwell... some of us don't do "apps" and AndroidMay 24 00:34
schestowitzI had my share of tatMay 24 00:34
schestowitzthatMay 24 00:34
schestowitzandroid is "move fast, break everything"May 24 00:34
schestowitzthe code becomes worthless after a few yearsMay 24 00:34
stormchaser3000yepMay 24 00:34
stormchaser3000the worst part of all though... I never learned analytical thinking as it applies to writing softwareMay 24 00:35
stormchaser3000I only went to this college because a banker was willing to pay all the graduating seniors from my high school to go there for two yearsMay 24 00:36
stormchaser3000I wish I had turned down the offerMay 24 00:36
schestowitzbest learning comes from experienceMay 24 00:38
schestowitznot syllabus May 24 00:38
stormchaser3000I really don't care if I would have had to work at a retail location for a couple years while I trained myself. I would have preferred that to getting a poor quality educationMay 24 00:38
stormchaser3000agreedMay 24 00:38
schestowitzbut degrees help with employmentMay 24 00:38
schestowitzI hardly use my degrees at allMay 24 00:38
schestowitznot even for employmentMay 24 00:38
techrights-bot#Linux 5.13-rc3 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #Kernel #TuxMachinesMay 24 00:39
stormchaser3000that is what I have heard in general. People are able to get decent programming jobs if they know what they are doing, not if they have a piece of paper saying they went to college for two yearsMay 24 00:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux 5.13-rc3 | Tux MachinesMay 24 00:39
stormchaser3000while the automated resume scanning systems may prefer a college degree, personal connections and recommendations are far more powerful from what I have seenMay 24 00:40
schestowitzthat tooMay 24 00:40
techrights-bot"As everyone should know already, #privacy on an #Android phone, in general, is pretty much a joke." The joke if you, too. 24 00:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Google Play Spotlight: GasBuddy, Grindr, or how I informed Facebook using Android. F-Droid Spotlight: TrackerControl. – BaronHK's RantsMay 24 00:41
techrights-bot"As everyone should know already, #privacy on an #Android phone, in general, is pretty much a joke." The joke is you, too. 24 00:41
baronhk[m]1 24 00:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Failure is not an option, it comes with every Samsung Galaxy phone. (Thanks to Microsoft and T-Mobile.) Swap out the photo gallery with F-Droid. – BaronHK's RantsMay 24 00:41
techrights-bot"Retro gaming is a big part of my life. So, when Sylvain Gadrat (aka sgadrat or Roger Bidon) contacted me last week to show the new playable character of his Nes game −Pepper− I had suddenly a large grin like a Cheshire cat and I started to see rainbows." 24 00:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Derivation: Pepper in Super Tilt Bro (Nes game) - David RevoyMay 24 00:42
techrights-botSuddenly nobody talks about the #crimeMinister of #israel failing to actually form a government and having to go to prison for his many crimes. #palestine as his 'collateral damage'. His COVID facade with 30-year secrets ran out of stream? 24 00:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Israel-Hamas Ceasefire Holds, UN to Launch Gaza Aid Appeal | Asharq AL-awsatMay 24 00:45
techrights-botMisconception/misuse of the term 'ownership' from litigation firms-funded liars who call ideas "assets", call #patents "rights" (complete BS), and just about everything -- even life and nature -- "property" (slave-owning mentality of privileged sociopaths) 24 00:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Question 11 from my Property Law Final Exam.May 24 00:47
techrights-botSo some US universities (called "colleges") are run by and employ as teachers/lecturers pawns funded by #patent #litigation firms. No conflict of interest there at all...May 24 00:49
baronhk[m]1Bonus: Just after I posted this, I read that Spamsung completely abandoned the S8/S8+, which were the phone of 2017. Four years in, you cannot safely continue to use the phone, whether it works or not, unless you figure out a way to unlock the bootloader and install an unofficial ROM that's in whatever state it's in. Nice to see that Spamsung loves e-waste.May 24 00:52
baronhk[m]1Edited: "Nice to see that Spamsung loves e-waste as much as Microsoft loves Linux patent aggression. Like a fat kid loves cake."May 24 00:53
baronhk[m]1It's the time honored tradition. If the old model kept working indefinitely, how would they sell the new model? Most of these phones are barely different except that they keep getting more expensive and dropping widely used features to help them force the Clown on the user.May 24 00:55
techrights-botNefarious data brokers put an exceptionally high price (one might say "bounty") on data of those who are better at #privacy and are thus harder to 'figure out' and sell out, in bulk. Look what #system1 did to #startpage and #waterfox ... disgraceful. 24 00:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Startpage - TechrightsMay 24 00:55
schestowitzbaronhk[m]1: the Clown :-)May 24 00:57
schestowitzthe clown is off-lownMay 24 00:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Failed DNS server restarts caused Salesforce outage - Networking - Software - Digital & Disruption - iTnewsMay 24 00:57
baronhk[m]1"Apple realized that the iPod Classic had to go because as long as people could keep dropping MP3s on that, using a flip phone to make calls, and buying a dedicated GPS unit for their car, they were eating into their own sales of a much more expensive market. Now, the deluxe iPhone is $1,649 and it only lasts a few years between replacements. Almost every app costs you money somehow. Sometimes a staggering amount.May 24 00:59
baronhk[m]1Almost nobody is better off with this."May 24 00:59
techrights-bot#microsoft 2009 24 01:00
baronhk[m]1The carriers love them because a data plan is almost twice as expensive as a basic phone line.May 24 01:00
techrights-botSamba geek on why #freesw #fsf #oldvideoMay 24 01:01
baronhk[m]1(Then certain ones, like T-Mobile, will sell you unlimited data that doesn't really work anywhere.)May 24 01:01
schestowitzno such thing as unlimitedMay 24 01:01
schestowitzbut if you max up the capacity and do it 24/7, you can calculate the real capMay 24 01:02
schestowitzassume they let you get there at allMay 24 01:02
schestowitzat 1MB per second you can do 3.6GB/hourMay 24 01:02
schestowitzTechrights HTTP is average over 3mb/sec this past weekMay 24 01:02
schestowitzso over 10GB/hourMay 24 01:03
schestowitz1.62TB in 6 days, 9 hoursMay 24 01:03
schestowitzif the ISPs allow high throughput for crap like netflix, you can go higher than thisMay 24 01:04
schestowitzeven just to mess with themMay 24 01:04
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baronhk[m]1schestowitz: I was glad that Psychology Today finally ran an article dismissing the idea that someone is dangerous because they aren't on Facebook.May 24 01:10
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baronhk[m]1They went further and said that being an excessive user of Facebook is associated with Dark Triad personality types.May 24 01:11
baronhk[m]1Apparently, most pirated APKs actually remove these tracking libraries.May 24 01:13
baronhk[m]1As well as turning on all of the premium features that are in the app.May 24 01:13
baronhk[m]1I noticed that apparently the only server-side difference with Spotify Premium is Very High Quality and Download (still DRM'd, you can just listen without an active connection).May 24 01:14
baronhk[m]1The pirates can enable seeking and get rid of all the ads and enable play the actual song instead of "shuffle mode" and "radio" only.May 24 01:14
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AdmFubarhave you seen this? 24 02:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Do You Own a Motorcycle Airbag if You Have to Pay Extra to Inflate It? - SlashdotMay 24 02:16
AdmFubar 24 02:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Tim Cook Says He Doesn't Remember How Much Google Pays for Search Deal As He Plays Innocent in Epic v Apple Trial - SlashdotMay 24 02:18
baronhk[m]1Like all good criminals, "I don't remember, I don't recall, I have no recollection of that."May 24 02:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Welcome a new Fennec F-Droid - Apps - F-Droid ForumMay 24 03:07
baronhk[m]1"Mozilla now tracks you even more actively using proprietary 3rd party services. I removed all tracking I found. (Firebase, Adjust and Leanplum libraries were replaced with stubs, so some analyzers can erroneously report their presence in the APK.)"May 24 03:07
baronhk[m]1schestowitz: Mozilla is turning off NNTP newsgroups and deleting everything and moving the mailing lists over to Google Groups.May 24 03:14
XRevan86 cc: CrystalMath, MinceRMay 24 03:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Rapid-Onset Hyrule Historia (@plainoldchair): "they claimed it meant "corporate linux" and when asked since when "woke" means "corporate", I got this. You heard it here first: Microsoft bowed to the ~SJWs~ to kill Linux." | nitterMay 24 03:23
XRevan86Don't know where that's from, but I see familiar faces and I immediately shareMay 24 03:24
MinceRbowed?May 24 03:24
MinceRi don't know where they got that fromMay 24 03:24
MinceRbut it's ok, SJWs had reading comprehension issues for agesMay 24 03:24
MinceRi see this luser is spewing lots of classic SJW nonsenseMay 24 03:25
MinceRis that what wants to be?May 24 03:25
MinceRthe drama is on freenode/#freenode-policy-feedback btwMay 24 03:26
MinceRthis luser is hallucinating pretty fiercelyMay 24 03:28
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kingoffranceagree. "bowed".    and "corporate" is just a knee-jerk catchphrase it seems (which "side" isn't "corporate"? )May 24 03:30
MinceRi am not corporateMay 24 03:31
MinceRthe independent developers that made free software great are not corporateMay 24 03:31
kingoffrancei mean foundations, legal entities, etc.May 24 03:31
kingoffrancegiving to LF is more "corporate"May 24 03:31
baronhk[m]1"Hate speech"May 24 03:32
baronhk[m]1LOL@ "IRC is 20 years behind the rest of the internet and is white male dominated."May 24 03:32
MinceRLF is so corporate they kicked out all their non-corporate membersMay 24 03:32
baronhk[m]1I think they are committing hate speech against white males.May 24 03:32
MinceRindeedMay 24 03:33
MinceRbut it's the "woke" thing to doMay 24 03:33
MinceRso it's okMay 24 03:33
MinceRyou see, racism and sexism are not the problem, but whom you pick as your targetsMay 24 03:33
kingoffrancereally, to be alive you need: 1) animation 2) corpse     so everyone is "corporate" in that sense. and the dead are *just* corporate.    and religions have their own definitions of "alive".     point being, the "corporate or not" is largely red herringMay 24 03:34
MinceRlolMay 24 03:34
XRevan86It's almost impressive how incapable the people are at understanding what the people with a different opinion are talking about. Maybe it's the lack of context.May 24 03:34
kingoffrance^May 24 03:35
kingoffrancelazinessMay 24 03:35
MinceRsociety is increasingly tribalMay 24 03:35
kingoffrance^May 24 03:35
XRevan86I feel the weight of not understanding most of what anyone's even talking about.May 24 03:35
MinceRon that channel, and in connection with the current drama, people have tried real hard to sort people they disagreed with into the tribe they hateMay 24 03:35
MinceRhence accusations of "trumpism"May 24 03:35
kingoffrance^May 24 03:35
kingoffrancesorry lolMay 24 03:35
kingoffrancecouldnt agree moreMay 24 03:36
kingoffranceif you lack info, "closest approximation" in their heads perhapsMay 24 03:36
MinceRmedia have also been reorganized so that most of it is echo chambers catering to a particular tribeMay 24 03:36
MinceRpeople of different tribes have different "news" and "facts"May 24 03:36
kingoffrancei'll just "ding ding ding" and stop "^" lolMay 24 03:36
baronhk[m]1Tucker Carlson had the "Chicken Lover" on as a guest after the CDC told people not to kiss chickens.May 24 03:36
baronhk[m]1I liked it better when it was a joke in South Park.May 24 03:37
baronhk[m]1I wonder how many people are kissing chickens and getting salmonella that the CDC had to say this.May 24 03:37
XRevan86Hell is Other PeopleMay 24 03:38
MinceRi was hoping we could have free softwareMay 24 03:38
baronhk[m]1MinceR: Mitchell Baker is outsourcing everything to Google and Microsoft. Well, not everything. They're packing Firefox Android full of tracking libraries.May 24 03:38
MinceRbut i suspect in the end we will have some sort of SJW software posing as free and people trying to do actual free software painted as right-wingersMay 24 03:38
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baronhk[m]1For a long time, they refused to support iPhones at all "because it wouldn't really be Firefox anymore" but now they just quietly ship an inferior version for the iPhone which usually doesn't even have access to the latest WebKit APIs, which themselves have been held back several years to avoid "app developers" from running off and making progressive web apps that bypass the app store and Apple's fleecing of theMay 24 03:40
baronhk[m]1users/developers.May 24 03:40
baronhk[m]1Now they quietly just ship a gimpy version of something calling itself "Firefox" for that platform.May 24 03:40
kingoffranceother way to say that: if you get rid of all corporatism, you are debating spirits/religion at that pointMay 24 03:41
MinceRthey stopped caring about firefox being firefoxMay 24 03:41
MinceRkingoffrance: i'm more concerned with the type of person referred to as a "suit" and the sort of things they doMay 24 03:41
kingoffranceyeah, i "get" some of what they mean so dont mean to split hairs, but accuracy slowly dwindles if i dont say anythingMay 24 03:42
kingoffranceagree on that tooMay 24 03:42
kingoffranceGIGOMay 24 03:42
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kingoffrancethe stuff that gets aired seems false dichotomies, so dig for nuance i supposeMay 24 03:48
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kingoffrancewhat i was trying to get at is corporations are based on expanding/abstracting real people.    so if people forget this, they are liable to drift off into absurditiesMay 24 04:00
kingoffrancehorse and cart thing, one depends on other, foundationMay 24 04:01
kingoffranceOO-wise maybe inheritance from a base class with overloaded methods if you will lolMay 24 04:02
CrystalMathschestowitz: rasengan put Ariadne into the staffMay 24 04:03
MinceRit's a legal fiction :>May 24 04:03
CrystalMathwas this a smart move?May 24 04:03
MinceRwe'll find outMay 24 04:03
MinceRif it wasn't, maybe we'll move :>May 24 04:03
rasenganIt's a good move. ;)May 24 04:03
rasenganAriadne has been developing FOSS and has a deep passion for freenode and FOSS, including developing atheme, the services freenode was based on.May 24 04:04
CrystalMathtbh, i have nothing concretely bad to say about herMay 24 04:05
CrystalMathbut i'm waiting for schestowitzMay 24 04:05
CrystalMathrasengan: personally i'm concerned that she said that some old staff will be returningMay 24 04:29
rasenganOld staff?May 24 04:30
rasenganI think she means much older staff than the staff that many are concerned about!May 24 04:30
CrystalMathoh, from before tomaw, jess, fuchs, ...?May 24 04:31
CrystalMathi mean, before they came alongMay 24 04:31
CrystalMathi don't really remember...May 24 04:31
CrystalMathit was too long ago, i joined the network in 2008May 24 04:32
MinceRhopefully not RichiHMay 24 04:34
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CrystalMathMinceR: yes, that would be badMay 24 04:35
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CrystalMathrasengan: another point of concern is that Ariadne seems to want to establish stricter controls of freedom of speech than there were a week agoMay 24 04:45
CrystalMathrasengan: i trust you, but i just hope that Ariadne will not be writing the policies herselfMay 24 04:46
baronhk[m]1 24 04:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mozilla outsources newsgroups to Google, development to Microsoft GitHub, and stuffs proprietary tracking into Firefox for Android. The user experience is falling apart. – BaronHK's RantsMay 24 04:46
AriadneCrystalMath: oh can itMay 24 04:46
AriadneCrystalMath: i don't care about what channels doMay 24 04:46
baronhk[m]1I miss the Debian that had IceWeasel and told Mozilla to go fuck their trademark policy, honestly.May 24 04:46
CrystalMathAriadne: okay, i don't really know what your stance is tbhMay 24 04:46
CrystalMathAriadne: you seem to be vague about itMay 24 04:47
Ariadnemy stance is that is offtopic on freenodeMay 24 04:47
CrystalMathwhat about ##rightwingMay 24 04:47
CrystalMath(not sure if that is real)May 24 04:47
CrystalMathokay, it's notMay 24 04:48
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CrystalMathAriadne: that silence is concerningMay 24 04:49
baronhk[m]1I'm right-wing, I suppose, in the sense that I think you lose the right to protest when it's involving someone who tried to throw the car in reverse and run over the cops and/or you start burning down buildings.May 24 04:49
Ariadnei haveMay 24 04:49
Ariadne1000000 people asking me shitMay 24 04:49
Ariadneplease be patientMay 24 04:49
Ariadne##rightwing is fineMay 24 04:49
CrystalMathah, understoodMay 24 04:49
rasenganCrystalMath: We're not for censorship.May 24 04:49
baronhk[m]1This is probably the sort of comment schestowitz worries would cost us the entire room if it went to Libera Chat.May 24 04:49
CrystalMathrasengan: thank you, that is clearMay 24 04:49
Ariadnei'm not for censoring people, but obviously there are limitsMay 24 04:50
CrystalMathsorry for doubtingMay 24 04:50
Ariadnewe're not going to let hate groups or terrorist groups or whatever use the network, in fact, we can't under UK lawMay 24 04:50
MinceRlolMay 24 04:50
CrystalMathi never thought otherwise, it's just that when someone says "there are limits" that doesn't by itself clarify thingsMay 24 04:50
baronhk[m]1They'd say I was a privileged white male, which has had the benefit of....having the police threaten to shoot him a couple of times, apparently.May 24 04:50
AriadneCrystalMath: i'm a goddamn libertarian, i'm not interested in censoring anythingMay 24 04:50
baronhk[m]1Yes siree, born with a silver spoon in my mouth.May 24 04:51
CrystalMathyou know, like i could say "there are limits" and then reveal some very tiny limitsMay 24 04:51
CrystalMathbut i won't waste your time anymore with this topic, i understandMay 24 04:51
baronhk[m]1You know, I don't like the cops, but if you want to not die you kind of need to do that thing those folks with the guns pointed at you ask for.May 24 04:52
CrystalMathbaronhk[m]1: the cops here got robbed a few days agoMay 24 04:52
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CrystalMaththe police stationMay 24 04:52
MinceRlolMay 24 04:52
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baronhk[m]1Last time the police had me at gunpoint it was like 8 or 9 of them at 3 in the morning.May 24 04:52
CrystalMathbaronhk[m]1: america is crazy :PMay 24 04:53
CrystalMathi've never had that happen to meMay 24 04:53
AriadneCrystalMath: i'm just here because i realize that there's going to be 3 networks, and i know how to make sure things run smoothlyMay 24 04:53
CrystalMathAriadne: freenode, libera, and OFTC?May 24 04:54
baronhk[m]1The Democrats are passing all sorts of "police reform" laws that are not going to help people who follow the laws.May 24 04:54
AriadneCrystalMath: rightMay 24 04:54
baronhk[m]1What's going to happen is that people who are armed career criminals are going to figure out how they can get the upper hand using all of these new laws.May 24 04:54
baronhk[m]1The cops will just go right on killing as many white men as ever because nobody protests.May 24 04:54
CrystalMathbaronhk[m]1: then maybe some day your local police station will be robbed too :PMay 24 04:55
baronhk[m]1Probably. May 24 04:58
baronhk[m]1Cheaper than letting them set fire to everything and rob everything they don't set fire to.May 24 04:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Eventually migrating back to GNU/Linux on a recent Lenovo ThinkBook. – BaronHK's RantsMay 24 05:24
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baronhk[m]1Mozilla should have started their own search engine years ago.May 24 07:15
baronhk[m]1They'd probably be fairly popular considering that, at one time, they had almost half of all web users and could have defaulted to themselves for search, and been their own ad network.May 24 07:16
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*schestowitz gives voice to techrights-ipfsMay 24 07:17
schestowitz[04:03] <CrystalMath> schestowitz: rasengan put Ariadne into the staffMay 24 07:17
schestowitzgood!May 24 07:17
baronhk[m]1Instead, they renew their search deal every few years, Google gives them about half of what they got last time, and things keep rolling along. Slower, until there's nothing left.May 24 07:18
schestowitzwhat is 'llf'?May 24 07:19
schestowitzLiLo Foundation?May 24 07:19
schestowitzbaronhk[m]1: Mozilla can save Google lots of money in antitrust finesMay 24 07:19
schestowitzby reiterating Google  not being a monopolyMay 24 07:20
schestowitzwhile Google pays them to make a 'rival'May 24 07:20
schestowitzthat's hard-linked to Google in the address barMay 24 07:20
schestowitzGoogle is a different kind of monopolyMay 24 07:20
baronhk[m]1"They could leave Chrome any time they want."May 24 07:20
schestowitznowhere as harmful as some othersMay 24 07:20
baronhk[m]1Basically.May 24 07:20
schestowitzBTW:May 24 07:20
schestowitzI prefer chrome monopolyMay 24 07:20
schestowitzor monocultureMay 24 07:21
schestowitzto what we had with MSIEMay 24 07:21
schestowitzRemember ActiveXMay 24 07:21
schestowitzor Windows Media Player/Video in side pages?May 24 07:21
baronhk[m]1Yes, sites handing out WMV files.May 24 07:21
schestowitzThose were dark times, the browser  was used to cement OS monopoliesMay 24 07:21
baronhk[m]1You can use whatever you want underneath Firefox or Chrome and it's almost the same experience.May 24 07:22
schestowitzhmmm.... seems like BT sent another silent firmware updateMay 24 07:22
schestowitz2 nights agoMay 24 07:22
schestowitzseems to have fixed what they broke silently a month agoMay 24 07:22
schestowitzNew:May 24 07:26
schestowitz"According to some folks, Freenode's time is up. But is this yet another example of the FOSS community overreacting? "May 24 07:26
schestowitz 24 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Freenode sky is FALLING - YouTubeMay 24 07:27
baronhk[m]1It could be.May 24 07:27
baronhk[m]1Remember that SJWs will make hay out of anything in order to demand huge changes.May 24 07:27
baronhk[m]1Then when the dust settles, they control the new forum and can impose CoCs where they wouldn't have been allowed before.May 24 07:28
kingoffrancebaronhk[m]1,  re: "mozilla should've started a search engine"  yeah    and ditto (where is stuff hosted now? github?) 24 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | DMOZ - WikipediaMay 24 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | - WikipediaMay 24 07:35
baronhk[m]1dmoz was still during Netscape years.May 24 07:35
kingoffranceyeah, i just remember the nameMay 24 07:36
baronhk[m]1I meant they should have kickstarted a more modern one when they had lots of users and cash to throw around.May 24 07:36
kingoffrancesure, just mean there was precedent somewhatMay 24 07:36
kingoffrancesearch engines arguably killed those types of "listings"May 24 07:36
kingoffrancebut when trying to find it, i saw business stuff still likes "curated" type stuffMay 24 07:36
schestowitzabuse of them did toooMay 24 07:36
kingoffranceor business people debate whether SEO is worth getting listed on those types of things or notMay 24 07:37
kingoffrancesame can be said aol re: winamp, streaming video, gnutella too, etc.May 24 07:38
baronhk[m]1ddg's results have gotten much better recenty.May 24 07:38
baronhk[m]1*recentlyMay 24 07:38
kingoffrancedmoz would sometimes come up when i searched for obscure stuffMay 24 07:39
kingoffranceas in probably dead links, and then id go to waybackMay 24 07:40
kingoffranceso, just 3 short steps lolMay 24 07:41
schestowitzbaronhk[m]1: financial results?May 24 07:48
schestowitzyou know who pays...May 24 07:48
schestowitzthe same people who blast freenode right now don't seem to mind DDG doing vastly worse thingsMay 24 07:48
schestowitzand being controlled by companies that spyMay 24 07:49
schestowitz 24 07:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why You Should Avoid DuckDuckGo (DDG) 2021 Edition, Now Microsoft-Hosted and With Extra Privacy Risks | TechrightsMay 24 07:49
schestowitz 24 07:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | memtest86+ did not work on my machine.May 24 07:55
schestowitz"memtest86+ did not work on my machine. Looking at the changelog the version was last updated in 2014. Checked their website and apparently there was a new version last year. Might be worth a try. I saw at least some code to handle memory modules with memory more than 32GB."May 24 07:55
schestowitzis 32GB of RAM enough to run Vista 10?May 24 07:55
psydroidsoon enough it won't be, so we can enjoy more "progress"May 24 07:58
schestowitzI heard that something Vista 10 boots successfullyMay 24 08:00
schestowitzand you can get some work done on it... for a whileMay 24 08:00
schestowitzIt took BT one whole month (yes, a month!) to fix the seriously bad bugs they introduced with botched firmware updates, silently imposed remotely on hubs to make home networks mutually inaccessible in most scenariosMay 24 08:00
psydroid8 GB was stretching it on my laptop, so I put 32 GB and an additional SSD in it. As of last year Vista 10 lives in a VM with 12 GB that I only touch if something really can't be done on the Debian hostMay 24 08:05
psydroidI'm glad that so far they haven't been messing with internal networks here, but I haven't run any servers yetMay 24 08:06
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schestowitzpsydroid: when you say stretching it you mean it's too littleMay 24 08:17
schestowitzuntil a year ago I had not used ANY machine with more than 2GBMay 24 08:18
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psydroidschestowitz, yes, I still use machines with 1-8 GB but my newer laptops have 24 GB and 32 GB respectivelyMay 24 08:27
schestowitzprobably expenseiveMay 24 08:28
schestowitzsome people buy a machine for x5 or more than meMay 24 08:28
schestowitzMicrosoft and Apple found a way to compel people to pay for PCs what they pay for used carsMay 24 08:29
schestowitzand OEMs love it like thatMay 24 08:29
psydroidI bought my own laptop for my studies through university and then my uncle gave me his 2 years ago and told me I could keep itMay 24 08:29
schestowitzbut then again some 'reputable' OEMs that ship only with gnu/linux do the sameMay 24 08:29
schestowitzrianne still has 4GB of RAM after many years with 2GBMay 24 08:30
schestowitzI only upgraded from 2GB last yearMay 24 08:30
schestowitza local shop here sells used thinkpads for about 200 quidMay 24 08:31
psydroidI make sure to write and test much software on (used) machines with 2-4 GB that I got for well under €100May 24 08:32
schestowitzI am getting a deja vu like you said it a month agoMay 24 08:45
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psydroidProbablyMay 24 08:54
techrights-botToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 24 08:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMay 24 08:55
techrights-botRyan correctly points out that the crooks and thugs from #microsoft blackmailed #samsung -- using #patents -- to impose Microsoft #malware on people who buy Samsung. Where's the government #antitrust probe? 24 08:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Failure is not an option, it comes with every Samsung Galaxy phone. (Thanks to Microsoft and T-Mobile.) Swap out the photo gallery with F-Droid. – BaronHK's RantsMay 24 08:55
techrights-bot#IBM layoffs 24 08:55
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psydroidWe don't really need machines with that much memory, but the software keeps getting bigger and sometimes slowerMay 24 08:55
techrights-botKevin E. Noonan disseminating notorious #USTR propaganda, where they basically #blackmail entire nations on behalf of US megacorporation to undermine competitors examples in 24 08:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Patent Docs: U.S. Trade Representative Releases 2021 Special 301 ReportMay 24 08:56
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techrights-bot" #IBM stop the pension plan. When they did stop it they would match a max of 6% to your 401k plan and add another 2%. As money was going south they change the 401k match to 2% max." 24 08:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 24 09:02
techrights-botEventually migrating back to #GNU / #Linux on a recent #Lenovo #ThinkBook • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ 24 09:02
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techrights-botAudiocasts/Shows: Security, Freenode, and DNS Over HTTPS • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 24 09:04
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techrights-bot"Today, #Firefox is packed full of proprietary programs and is pretty much a thrall of Google and Microsoft." 24 09:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mozilla outsources newsgroups to Google, development to Microsoft GitHub, and stuffs proprietary tracking into Firefox for Android. The user experience is falling apart. – BaronHK's RantsMay 24 09:04
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techrights-botIt took #BT one whole month (yes, a month!) to fix the seriously bad bugs they introduced with botched firmware updates, silently imposed remotely on hubs to make home networks mutually inaccessible in most scenariosMay 24 09:38
techrights-botNew Wallpaper for #KDE Plasma 5.22 is Here. And It’s Very Artful • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 24 09:44
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cybrNautdoes anyone know how it is possible for the CIA to have a spin-off company?May 24 14:05
cybrNauti see it mentioned here: 24 14:05
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cybrNautI bash Signal at every opportunity.. but that seems like a stretch.  The CIA is a government agency, so how can it have a spin-off?  Does the government say "office X doing activity Y is for sale"?May 24 14:08
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cybrNautah.. apparently they are it a "spin-off" because Signal got CIA funding. I guess saying "spin-off" makes the article more sensational and grabby than just saying "funded by CIA"May 24 14:16
cybrNauts/are it/are calling it/May 24 14:16
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trttlit's a centralized service, they control both the client app and the server. and if i'm not mistaken only the protocol has been audited so farMay 24 14:57
trttlalso they had issues with providing reproducible builds for the app in the pastMay 24 14:59
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trttlalso though open source is nice the development is hard to follow because they tend to leave repos out of dateMay 24 15:00
trttli mean if you just dump a lot of code once a year nobody will really inspect that and introduced security bugs have a good chance to remain unnoticedMay 24 15:04
trttlbut the press likes them so w/eMay 24 15:09
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XRevan86> rasengan put Ariadne into the staffMay 24 15:27
XRevan86Wait, she changed her mind?May 24 15:27
AriadneXRevan86: i am here to assist friends who also joined the staffMay 24 15:27
XRevan86Ariadne: Oh, I typed your nickname manually, should've known :DMay 24 15:27
cybrNauttrttl: Signal is certainly something to avoid:  I was trying to understand what was meant by the CIA having a spin-off companyMay 24 15:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-❌ Software Removal | Signal · Issue #779 · privacytools/ · GitHubMay 24 15:29
XRevan86Ariadne: Does that mean that ye have changed your mind on Freenode or is it strictly to help friends?May 24 15:33
XRevan86> i'm just here because i realize that there's going to be 3 networks, and i know how to make sure things run smoothlyMay 24 15:33
XRevan86I guess that answers it. I'm just reading back-log.May 24 15:33
trttlin a blogger's imagination everything is possible but i don't give too much credit to a bunch of what if questionsMay 24 15:34
AriadneXRevan86: basically, i had ex-staffer friends who really needed the helpMay 24 15:35
XRevan86Is currently outdated?May 24 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The People - freenodeMay 24 15:37
trttlthe self-updating apk is interesting. wonder if they could roll out targeted updates if they wanted toMay 24 15:37
trttlgiven that usernames are tied to phone numbers and phone numbers are generally tied to real life identitiesMay 24 15:37
AriadneXRevan86: yes, i would say soMay 24 15:38
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cybrNautdoes that self-updating apk run over Orbot?May 24 15:40
cybrNautand more importantly, does it rely on Playstore to grab the updates?May 24 15:41
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cybrNautMoxie likes his stats, so i would assume he's coded it to depend on Google, in which case downloading the APK from could eventually lead to a Playstore download anyway.  That should be looked intoMay 24 15:44
trttlif play services are present it will used itMay 24 15:48
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trttlbut it's not dependent on itMay 24 15:49
cybrNautso if Play svcs are unavailable, the self-update will fetch from, over Orbot?  May 24 15:50
trttlorbot?May 24 15:50
cybrNautOrbot is the Tor client for AndroidMay 24 15:50
MinceRconsidering what the CIA does, it sounds plausible that they could found a corporation that is not (or at least not officially) owned by the CIAMay 24 15:52
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trttli know it's just unclear what's the connection between the two. you don't need orbot in order to use signalMay 24 15:59
trttlbut you can force your traffic through torMay 24 15:59
cybrNauttrttl: if the app is self-updating, and it does so outside of Tor, the problem is that your IP address can identify you to the software repo, in which case you can get a special version select for you (if you are targetted).  But Tor counters that, of course only if Playstore is out of the loopMay 24 16:01
trttli don't follow your logicMay 24 16:02
cybrNautA user should demand that self-updates happen over Tor.  But for performance reasons they may want comms to go direct to the other partyMay 24 16:02
cybrNautwhich part are you lost on?May 24 16:03
cybrNautit's the same problem as with javascript from Protonmail, for exampleMay 24 16:03
trttlyou already have a username that is persistentMay 24 16:03
cybrNauti would hope the username is not part of the update transaction.  If it is, then that's a big problem that should be spotlightedMay 24 16:04
cybrNautit would violate the data minimization that Signal users should demandMay 24 16:05
trttl..May 24 16:05
cybrNautare you saying userid is part of the software update transaction?May 24 16:06
trttli think we misunderstood each other. i was talking about something elseMay 24 16:06
cybrNautthere are only 2 scenarios where a self-updating Signal app is safe: 1) if everything is done without Playstore and it's all over tor (at the cost of performance), or 2) if Signal self-updates from over Tor, and comms are either direct or over tor at the user's discretion, which is incompatible with Tor-by-force.May 24 16:11
cybrNautcase 2 is ideal, but i doubt the Signal config gives users the option of certain traffic over tor and other traffic not.May 24 16:13
cybrNauti won't install Signal so I can't see what the config looks like, but hopefully the auto-updating can be disabledMay 24 16:15
trttli don't see how in the settingsMay 24 16:19
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cybrNauttrttl: are you saying auto-updates can't be disabled, or that there is no way to select what traffic goes over Tor?May 24 16:26
trttlthere's no option to set a proxy and there's no option to disable updatesMay 24 16:28
trttlwhen you're on cellular you're broadcasting your location+imsi+imei. if your signal account name is the same as your actual phone number then tor is of little helpMay 24 16:33
trttlthat's why i don't follow your logicMay 24 16:33
cybrNautdifferent parties see different things.  Assuming you are using mobile data & not wifi, the carrier sees your IMEI but beyond that only your unprotected traffic is visible to the carrier. and Google should not be seeing your IMEI#May 24 16:37
cybrNautif you use wifi and the software is well coded, then no one sees your IMEI -- but note that Google Playstore's app shares your IMEI with Google, which is why it's important to avoid PlaystoreMay 24 16:39
cybrNautdoes Signal function if you put your phone in airplane mode, with only wifi running?May 24 16:40
cybrNauti'm sure it must, because Signal has a desktop appMay 24 16:41
trttlyeah and some parties have subpoena capabilities and can see everythingMay 24 16:41
cybrNauta subpoena is a different variable which may or may not be in your threat model, but in the end the subpoena is still limited by technology.  The subpoena can be served on any 3rd party involved, but that party can only give what they haveMay 24 16:43
cybrNautsubpoena power is also why it's important to get software updates anonymouslyMay 24 16:43
techrights-botThis seems rather biased as it ignores all the similar (or worse) 'abuse' from the other side 24 16:43
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cybrNautthink of how the Hushmail steroid dealers were caughtMay 24 16:44
trttlit's hard to maintain a discussion if you're moving the goalposts all the timeMay 24 16:44
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cybrNautthe court ordered Hushmail to push malicious javascript to the suspects.  That was only possible because they did not connect to the server anonymously when downloading the javacriptMay 24 16:45
cybrNautthe goal posts haven't changed.  Data minimization has always been paramount since the discussion startedMay 24 16:46
schestowitz[15:27] <Ariadne> XRevan86: i am here to assist friends who also joined the staffMay 24 16:47
schestowitzthanks, Ariadne!May 24 16:48
cybrNautif the Hushmail steroid dealers had downloaded the javascript under different accounts & over tor, the subpoena could not have forced disclosure of their traffic due to tech limitationsMay 24 16:48
cybrNautit's the same with Signal.  Signal should be designed to make subpoenas as useless as possibleMay 24 16:49
schestowitzSignal has many issuesMay 24 16:50
schestowitzand some of its endorsers I lost confidence inMay 24 16:50
schestowitzWikileaks shows it's not good enough on a phoneMay 24 16:50
schestowitznot sure about desktopMay 24 16:50
schestowitzbut it USED to require a phone number to useMay 24 16:51
schestowitzI think they overcame thatMay 24 16:51
XRevan86they did?May 24 16:51
schestowitzthey also releases server-side software after a long time of darknessMay 24 16:51
trttlif you're using an account name that is tied to your real life identity you're not anonymous tor or no tor. your monologue doesn't make any senseMay 24 16:51
schestowitzas people started asking ''weird' questionsMay 24 16:51
schestowitztrttl: Signal is not anonymousMay 24 16:51
schestowitzif you use 'phone'May 24 16:51
schestowitzit's encryptedMay 24 16:51
schestowitzbut it's possible to figure out the "ends"May 24 16:51
schestowitzjust now what they sayMay 24 16:52
schestowitzonly when and with phones/IP also where fromMay 24 16:52
schestowitzyou're better off just meeting someone face to face in the streetMay 24 16:52
cybrNauttrttl: anonymous to who?  What you're missing is several parties are involved.  You're not anonymous to the correspondant you are talking to, but anonymity to the parties facilitating the comms is possible if the software is well coded.May 24 16:53
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trttli'm not missing anything you're the one who missed my whole point. which is: i was wondering if signal could technically ship targeted updates if they were asked to do it by a third party. given that the independent apk self-updates with no option to disable it. given that your user name is tied to your real life identity and locationMay 24 16:59
trttlorbot/tor doesn't solve anythingMay 24 16:59
schestowitzwhat is orbot?May 24 17:01
schestowitzI used orwebMay 24 17:01
schestowitzon some very old tablet a decade agoMay 24 17:01
trttlsome android app that you can use as a vpn and it will force all your traffic through torMay 24 17:02
cybrNauttrttl: the code is open, and it can be externally forced to use Tor.  If the software update transaction does not send your userid as a precondition to the update, and it's forced over Tor, and it connects to signal assets (not Google) then OWS cannot target you.May 24 17:02
trttlcode is not auditedMay 24 17:04
trttlbeing open is not an argumentMay 24 17:04
cybrNautschestowitz: Orweb was a Tor Browser that used Orbot.  It has been obsoleted.  I'm not sure if the modern Tor Browser droid app still depends on Orbot, or if it embeds its own Tor wiringMay 24 17:04
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cybrNauttrttl: *you* can see the code.  Audits still depend on trustMay 24 17:04
cybrNauttrttl: *you* can verify for yourself if the software conforms to your own data minimization requirementsMay 24 17:05
MinceRi think the concern is that they might send you a package with _different_ ART/native code than what they send to most usersMay 24 17:05
trttlyeahMay 24 17:05
MinceRand in general it's difficult to ensure that what you're running comes from a particular set of source codeMay 24 17:06
cybrNautMinceR: right, which is why anonymous software downloads is importantMay 24 17:06
MinceRrightMay 24 17:06
cybrNautit's /possible/ that Signal auto-updates are done in a sensible (anonymous) way, but you have to look at the code to know thatMay 24 17:07
cybrNautwhich is always the case with security appsMay 24 17:07
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cybrNautyou always have to either inspect the code, or be satisfied that other trusted people are doing thatMay 24 17:08
cybrNaut-- for any software that you runMay 24 17:10
schestowitzcode is codeMay 24 17:11
cybrNautand certainly Tor is paramount here, because even if Signal is well coded to not use your userid when updating, the sw server can see your IP and treat you differently.May 24 17:11
schestowitzlicence is not codeMay 24 17:11
schestowitzbinaries are sort of code, just not readableMay 24 17:11
schestowitzthe authors' credibility matter and build processMay 24 17:11
trttlbut why would a trustworthy service treat you differently based on an ip if there was no outside legal pressure on the serviceMay 24 17:15
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trttland if there was such a pressure wouldn't that mean that the user had been already identified because idk.. it's trivial for a legal authority to identify someone based on a phone a numberMay 24 17:19
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cybrNauttrttl: "if there was no outside legal pressure on the service" <= that's not a safe assumption unless your threat model is purely mass surviellance and excludes targetted surveillance.May 24 17:26
cybrNautwell, even then it's a bad idea to forgo Tor because IP collection is still a mass surveillance factor in other ways (not to distribute malicious s/w, but just to collect a list of users)May 24 17:27
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trttl>that's not a safe assumption - if you're assumption is that you're targeted and you're using a service with an account name that is directly tied to your real life you're doing it wrongMay 24 17:32
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phobosThats more than doing it wrong... thats asking to be targeted May 24 17:37
trttlyou could say that it's possible to sign up with a burner but why even use signal at that point. the main selling point of signal is easy contact discovery which depends on people letting the app to scan their address books to be able to find each otherMay 24 17:40
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trttlif you don't want that there are other e2ee chat softwares that don't require you to go through all the hassle just to get an account anonymouslyMay 24 17:43
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cybrNauttrttl: indeed, if targetted surveillance is in your threat model, Signal is not the best choice, but still feasible. It's a matter of getting a burner phone or pinger # just for registration then chucking it.  Snowden is targetted for sure, but uses Signal.  You can still "do it right" with Signal with targetted model if you know what you're doing.May 24 17:57
cybrNautphobos: using Signal is "asking to be targeted"?  How so?May 24 17:58
MinceRsignal's attitude toward f-droid makes me distrust signalMay 24 17:58
cybrNaut"you could say that it's possible to sign up with a burner but why even use signal at that point." <= you can't always choose what your correspondants useMay 24 17:59
cybrNaut"the main selling point of signal is easy contact discovery " <= if you do it right, the contact discovery feature will be brokenMay 24 17:59
phoboscybrNaut: Using your real name or a screen name that can be linked to your real identity in this day and age is asking for trouble. There is always someone that will disagree with whatever you have to say or some image you upload. Unfortunately, so many these days can't just accept that someone thinks differently than they do so they try to make all levels of trouble for that person May 24 18:00
phobosAsk some of the people that made comments a decade ago how that worked outMay 24 18:01
cybrNautMinceR: indeed.  a lot of things should make you distrust Signal. see  You can't trust OWS (the Signal makers).May 24 18:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-❌ Software Removal | Signal · Issue #779 · privacytools/ · GitHubMay 24 18:01
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phobosand were "canceled" from their jobs and social life how that worked out*May 24 18:02
phobosMany journalists can also tell you how thats working out for them too for reporting the truth about some issues vs the approved narrative May 24 18:03
cybrNautphobos: it depends on where that ID is presented.  Signal does not expose metadata like that.  but even if it did, it is "asking to be targetted".  That falls into the "everyone who protects themself from snooping is suspicious" thinking, which is what NSA hopes for.May 24 18:04
cybrNautyou should not be afraid to be seen using secure technologyMay 24 18:04
cybrNauts/it is asking to be targeted/it is not asking to be targeted/May 24 18:06
phobosIs there such a thing as secure technology these days? If so, we need to inform credit card companies, banks, fund me sites, etc that all claim to be using secure tech, yet somehow suffer from massive data breeches. Some have even gone on for months before being detectedMay 24 18:06
phobos*cough* *yahoo* *cough* *capitalone* *cough cough* *equifax* *hack* *chase*May 24 18:07
cybrNautphobos: security is relative, and something is "secure" if it satisfies your threat model and the risks are lower than the alternativesMay 24 18:08
cybrNautthe "nothing is secure" rationale for not pracicing security is defeatistMay 24 18:09
phobosIf I didn't know better, I'd say that sounds like a case of 'if its just a few breeches in which a few people might have their data exposed, its justifiable.' But I do know better. May 24 18:09
cybrNauts/pracicing/practicing/May 24 18:09
phobosBesides, wouldn't it be better if people took a proactive approach to safe guarding their data vs merely relying on a company to do it for them?May 24 18:09
phobosWhether we like it or not, breeches happen despite the most insane security... NASA can tell you about thatMay 24 18:10
cybrNautphobos: by avoiding security you expose yourself to even more breaches.  The defeatism is a losing propasition either wayMay 24 18:10
cybrNautof course you can't have absolute security -- this is not good reason to not practice security and choose hardened toolsMay 24 18:11
phobosWho said anything about avoiding it? I'm merely saying that maybe people should take a more proactive approach to things. If you value your life and job, or are worried about your family being targeted because you might piss off some liberal, wouldn't it be better to use a screen name that can't be easily traced back to you?May 24 18:12
cybrNautphobos> Who said anything about avoiding it? <= "Thats more than doing it wrong... thats asking to be targeted"  May 24 18:12
phobosYeah, by using your real name in a social media setting May 24 18:13
cybrNautusing security tools like Signal is not "asking to be targeted"May 24 18:13
cybrNautSignal is not "social media" because the payload is not publicMay 24 18:13
phobosSignal... isn't that one of those projects that originated at the NSA?May 24 18:14
phobosOr at least the encryption?May 24 18:14
cybrNautthe metadata is not public eitherMay 24 18:14
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cybrNautphobos: Tor was US Navy invented and CIA funded.  That doesn't mean it's sensible to not use itMay 24 18:15
phobosI agree with that. I use tor from time to time May 24 18:15
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cybrNautTor is the most protective mechanism for some transactions despite US gov involvementMay 24 18:15
phobosbut still, it doesn't hurt to be proactive with your data and possible links back to your real identity May 24 18:15
phoboscybrNaut: What do you think of VPN providers?May 24 18:17
cybrNautthey are hard to trust, but if you choose one that's EU-based and you're outside of the EU, it's an improvement over letting your ISP snoopMay 24 18:18
cybrNauti still run Tor over VPN to minimize the VPN's visibility on trafficMay 24 18:18
phobosHave any of them over there been caught keeping secret logs like they have here?May 24 18:20
cybrNautif a VPN server in the EU desides to snoop, at least you still have some legal protectionsMay 24 18:20
phobos 24 18:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-7 VPN Services Found Recording User Logs, Despite 'No-Log' Pledge | PCMagMay 24 18:20
cybrNautthat's a cloudflare linkMay 24 18:21
schestowitz:-)May 24 18:21
schestowitzW3ClownMay 24 18:21
cybrNaut 24 18:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 7 VPN Services Found Recording User Logs, Despite 'No-Log' Pledge | PCMagMay 24 18:21
cybrNauti think you also have to consider the size of your ISP and the size of the VPN service.  If your ISP is AT&T or Comcast, you'd be a fool not to use a VPN because the bigger they are, the better equipped they are to monatize your dataMay 24 18:23
phobosAnd CenturyLink aka Qwest May 24 18:24
trttlyou can't compare signal to tor. one is a closed and centralized service, a single entity is in full control of both client and server and expects you to tie your identity to your account. using that service requires blind trust. the other one is just not like that at allMay 24 18:24
cybrNautIf the VPN is bigger than your ISP, you might be better off without the VPN.May 24 18:24
phobostrttl: I wasn't comparing the two. Merely wondered what cybrNaut thought of VPNMay 24 18:24
cybrNautlittle guys are financially limited in the extent that they can commercially exploit your dataMay 24 18:25
baronhk[m]1<schestowitz "is 32GB of RAM enough to run Vis"> 16 seems to run it fine.May 24 18:26
cybrNauttrttl: tor & Signal aren't comparable because they're not even the same class of service. And one can aid other -- they should be combined, not comparedMay 24 18:26
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trttlcombining the two has little to no benefitsMay 24 18:29
cybrNautnonsenseMay 24 18:29 24 18:29
cybrNautif you are using Signal, you'd be a fool not to use it over TarMay 24 18:29
cybrNaut*TorMay 24 18:29
techrights-botGambling on a man-made concept (money) gone 'virtual' and 'online' or 'digital' 24 18:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How I Lost $100,000 - YouTubeMay 24 18:33
trttlyeah why is that? why do you want to hide your ip from signal if they're such a trustworthy serviceMay 24 18:33
techrights-botAs if there was no better response. 24 18:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Twitter Removes Photo-Cropping Algorithm After Racial Bias Analysis - Make Tech EasierMay 24 18:34
trttland they don't collect metadataMay 24 18:34
techrights-botTransient prompt with #Zsh ⁕ Vincent Bernat ⚓ ䷉ #vincentBernat | more in 24 18:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Transient prompt with Zsh ⁕ Vincent BernatMay 24 18:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsMay 24 18:34
cybrNauttrttl: "why do you want to hide your ip from signal if they're such a trustworthy service" <= you've answered your own question.  If you don't trust them, giving them your IP would be foolish.May 24 18:35
trttland if they collect metadata they delete itMay 24 18:35
techrights-botThe #NeuroFedora meeting is now over #fedora #redhat #ibmMay 24 18:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Next Open NeuroFedora meeting: 24 May 1300 UTC | NeuroFedora: BlogMay 24 18:35
cybrNautah, sorry i misread your commentMay 24 18:36
cybrNautSignal Technology Foundation is *not* a trustworthy companyMay 24 18:36
trttlwhy would i use a service for sensitive chats if i didn't trust themMay 24 18:37
cybrNaut..which is why you should use TorMay 24 18:37
techrights-botWhen you realise your job may be redundant and over-exaggerated 24 18:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux sysadmins: How my six year-old learned to do my job | Enable SysadminMay 24 18:37
baronhk[m]1It seems Mozilla VPN is the same cost as Mullvad VPN.May 24 18:37
trttlmozilla vpn is mullvad vpn if i'm correctMay 24 18:37
baronhk[m]1Most likely, the revenue for Mozilla comes from an affiliate revenue share program. So they're not just adding cost to something else.May 24 18:38
trttlmalwarebytes vpn is also mullvad vpnMay 24 18:38
cybrNauttrttl: you may not need to trust them.  But certainly you need to trust the code (which i told you earlier you should inspect)May 24 18:38
trttlmullvad has some whitelabel service or something that they sell to those peopleMay 24 18:38
baronhk[m]1Actually, 55 cents a month less to go through Mozilla.May 24 18:39
trttlcybrNaut that's not an argument. i can't verify what they do on their serversMay 24 18:39
trttlthe code they publish is out of dateMay 24 18:39
baronhk[m]1It's $5.55 USD at Mullvad or $4.95 a month to use Mozilla's client.May 24 18:39
cybrNauttrttl: you don't need to know what the servers are doing if you know what the client is doingMay 24 18:40
cybrNautof course, notwithstanding the Cellebrite compromizeMay 24 18:40
trttli know what the client is doing. the chats ar e2ee but it's up to them what they do with the corresponding metadataMay 24 18:41
cybrNautthe Cellebrite compromize, if real, proves you can't trust the clientMay 24 18:41
trttlthe cellebrite thing is more smoke than fireMay 24 18:41
cybrNauttrttl: you don't know what the client is doing, because you still think the servers receive the metadataMay 24 18:42
trttlthey need working exploits to unlock the phone firstMay 24 18:42
techrights-botThe media campaign of the #EPO is about to kick off, whatever its nature may be (the strategy), with the intention of diverting attention away from kangaroo courts Get Ready for a Torrent of EPO #Propaganda • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #Europe #corruption | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 24 18:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Get Ready for a Torrent of EPO Propaganda | TechrightsMay 24 18:43
cybrNautagain, metadata does not go to the servers.  As I said earlier, the servers know Bob uses Signal, and that Alice uses Signal, but not that Bob talks to AliceMay 24 18:43
baronhk[m]1<MinceR "considering what the CIA does, i"> Wouldn't be the first time they've done it.May 24 18:44
trttlthey also know when you receive a messageMay 24 18:44
techrights-bot#RaspberryPi PoE+ HAT features 25.5W PoE+ • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 24 18:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Raspberry Pi PoE+ HAT features 25.5W PoE+ | Tux MachinesMay 24 18:44
techrights-botToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 24 18:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMay 24 18:44
trttland before the sealed sender feature they also knew when you sent oneMay 24 18:44
techrights-botThe #Librem 14 comes with new software — here’s some of the new things coming your way • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 24 18:44
trttlall it takes is correlationMay 24 18:44
baronhk[m]1They don't always move in on criminals that they catch using this stuff because most aren't worth blowing their cover.May 24 18:44
trttlto figure out who talks to whomMay 24 18:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Recv failure: Connection reset by peer ( status 0 @ )May 24 18:45
trttlnot to mention how they tricked their users to upload their profiles with the introduction of an ambiguously explained featureMay 24 18:47
cybrNauttrttl: that doesn't make sense.  If Bob sends a msg to Alice and needs to ping the server 1st, she may or may not reply, and that reply can come at any time.  There is no timing attack possiblity thereMay 24 18:48
cybrNautthere are just too many users for that to be viableMay 24 18:49
trttl 24 18:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NO TITLEMay 24 18:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NO TITLEMay 24 18:50
trttlread thoseMay 24 18:50
cybrNauti've read that sealed-sender blog alreadyMay 24 18:51
techrights-botWord through the grapevine: many #ibm #layoffs this week 24 18:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How are we looking on layoffs? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 24 18:53
techrights-bot"If #IBM sticks to their past behavior, this week should be interesting." 24 18:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Barber is In - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 24 18:54
trttlthat sealed sender feature was introduced less than 2 years ago and is enabled for your contacts onlyMay 24 18:54
cybrNauttrttl: that blog actually emphasizes the importance of tor.  The server only knows 1 party to the transaction, but if the other party's IP address is exposed, it knows both partiesMay 24 18:56
techrights-bot#Google #Android Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 24 18:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 24 18:57
trttlhere's an opinion on the second postMay 24 18:58
trttl 24 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why is Signal asking users to set a PIN, or “A few thoughts on Secure Value Recovery” – A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic EngineeringMay 24 18:58
MinceR 24 19:03
psydroidthat writing system is completely messed upMay 24 19:07
MinceR:>May 24 19:08
schestowitz 24 19:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Translation: What the Biblical Tower of Babel can teach us about Netflix - The IPKatMay 24 19:09
schestowitz"I think the author of this story completely misses what was going on at the Tower of Babel. I suggest a Mike Heiser video for the back story. Babel is linked to the events of Genesis 6 and the depravity of humanity. The tower was a center for worship as humans were trying to barter with the spirit realm. Josephus also tells us about the animosity Nimrod had towards God. The only thing Netflix has in common with that is seemingly May 24 19:09
schestowitzendless stream of videos on the occult and making it appealing to people. This is all together evil and Netflix is despicable for it"May 24 19:09
schestowitzMinceR: yes, those names I see a lotMay 24 19:09
schestowitzbut would never attempt to read them out loudMay 24 19:09
schestowitzguaranteed  senior momentMay 24 19:09
techrights-botPatrick Wingrove still battling for litigation, losing sight of the real purpose of #patents because his owners, the sponsors, profit from lawsuits 24 19:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Patent Pilot Program is ending – what next? | Managing Intellectual PropertyMay 24 19:12
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techrights-bot#patent #monopoly on dogs becoming too fat :-) 24 19:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gnubiotics gains allowance of patent of microbiome markers for prediction, identification and treatment of pet obesity from the European Patent OfficeMay 24 19:15
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techrights-botCan we stop calling #patents "Intellectual Property"? They're not property, they're not protection (but protectionism), and definitely not rights. All those loaded terms are lies and propaganda, intended to tilt the premises in debates, rendering them meaningless 24 19:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Protecting Intellectual Property in the Chemical Engineering Field - Features - The Chemical EngineerMay 24 19:18
baronhk[m]1"low-cost Hungarian carrier Wizz Air"May 24 19:18
baronhk[m]1Don't Wizz on the electric fence!May 24 19:18
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techrights-botPlease quit calling #patents "rights" and "property"; such dishonesty is a sign of desperation from those unable to win an argument, and then citing the hugely corrupt EPO for evidence or 'proof'. This is rather appalling. 24 19:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The tangible benefits of intangible IP rights - Intellectual Property - AustraliaMay 24 19:20
techrights-botThis helps distract from the major Boards of Appeal scandal, a case in which the practice of outsourcing courts to GAFAM+ in violation of #GDPR and #EPC will be discussed by a #kangaroocourt see 24 19:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | MaiwaldMay 24 19:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The EPO’s War on Justice and Assault on the Law — Part 18: Promoting the Illusion of Peace and Haar-mony | TechrightsMay 24 19:23
schestowitzbaronhk[m]1: Whatz Wizz your humour today?May 24 19:24
MinceR 24 19:26
techrights-botWhen you grant people a monopoly but still refuse to enable exclusivity (albeit at a cost to competitors) 24 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Japan Compulsory License - Kluwer Patent BlogMay 24 19:35
techrights-bot#microsoft #proprietarySoftware #security #PowerShell #crapMay 24 19:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PowerShell Is Source of More Than a Third of Critical Security ThreatsMay 24 19:40
techrights-botHas #geminiProtocol become popular enough and #geminiSpace large enough for international in-person meetings/events? #internetMay 24 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Gemini meetup?May 24 19:41
techrights-bot#suse is promoting #sap #proprietarySoftware instead of #freesw ... and moreover attacks the founder of Free software and GNU/Linux 24 19:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Supreme Petrochem expands business whilst securing a greener future, in partnership with SUSE | SUSE CommunitiesMay 24 19:42
techrights-botGerman Parliament for #hollywood #de #germany #copyright #euMay 24 19:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Guest post] De minimis uses and the German implementation of Art 17 DSM Directive - The IPKatMay 24 19:45
techrights-botAs expected, the wonderful Prost is moving on. She did a great job at #CAFC and crushed many #softwarepatents in the US. Moore should carry on her legacy... #swpatsMay 24 19:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Chief Judge Kimberly Moore | Patently-OMay 24 19:47
techrights-bot"I am trying R 4.1 in a schroot experimental container, while waiting that Bullseye's release will allow the package to be uploaded to Sid and the needed dependencies to be recompiled." 24 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Trying R 4.1May 24 19:49
techrights-botUse #falkon instead. It is very stable and #freesw unlike #chrome 24 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chrome crashing on Windows 10 and Linux now has a fix - SlashGearMay 24 19:49
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psydroidThat's a "great" way to build a "community"May 24 19:53
techrights-botWho owns "the industry"? Who turned #trademark #law into such a farce? #trademarksMay 24 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Confusion in the INDUSTRY | Patently-OMay 24 19:54
techrights-botIf you legalise drugs, then the lawyers and other vultures will claim to 'own' them, calling it "property" and stuff 24 19:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | REGIMBEAU - Conseils en Propriété Industrielle, European Patent and Trademark AttorneysMay 24 19:56
techrights-botFull Circle Weekly News #211 #gnu #linuxMay 24 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Full Circle Weekly News #211 | Full Circle MagazineMay 24 19:57
techrights-bot#DogLinux is releaed #debian #gnu #linuxMay 24 19:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | gumanzoy's blog: LiveUSB 1100MB сборка DogLinux Debian 11 Bullseye (nvidia-drivers, FurMark, Unigine Heaven, ddrescue, WHDD, DMDE) для тестирования, обслуживания ПК, ноутбуковMay 24 19:58
techrights-botWhy on Earth are #patents being granted on life and nature as if those are inventions? Because lobbying, bribery and entryism basically shadow-write the laws? Or break the law ever so nonchalantly? #epoMay 24 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EPO Revokes UC Berkeley CRISPR PatentMay 24 20:00
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techrights-botGnubiotics has nothing to do with GNU or with animals; it's just another monopolisation attempt, making money from overweight animals 24 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gnubiotics gains allowance of patent of microbiome markers for prediction, identification and treatment of pet obesity from the European Patent Office | BioSpaceMay 24 20:01
techrights-botLife without #Patents and #Copyright #Kinsella on #monopoly ...May 24 20:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | KOL190 | Part 2: On Life without Patents and Copyright: Or, But Who Would Pick the Cotton? — Panel Discussion, Hoppe, Dürr, Kinsella, van Dun, Daniels (PFS 2015)May 24 20:02
techrights-bot"This new release brings #Armadillo 10.5.0 which was released early on Friday. We had done one full test in the ‘10.5 rc1’ prerelease one week earlier, and did another test on 10.5.0 and this #RcppArmadillo release just for added rigour." 24 20:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Thinking inside the boxMay 24 20:05
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techrights-bot#TuxedoComputers Releases Powerful New #GNU #Linux Laptop 24 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | TUXEDO’s Latest Linux Laptop is All About the Screen | Tux MachinesMay 24 20:07
techrights-botMore than 80 #Linux devs called on to help to fix ‘mess’ created by rogue contributors [sic] 24 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Here’s Why University of Minnesota is Likely to be Banned from Contributing to Linux Kernel Code | Tux MachinesMay 24 20:10
techrights-botNew #RaspberryPi PoE+ HAT handles up to 25.5 Watts #gnu #linuxMay 24 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Raspberry Pi PoE+ HAT features 25.5W PoE+ | Tux MachinesMay 24 20:12
techrights-bot"In this episode, Josepha Haden Chomphosy provides a map of how to navigate #WordPress teams and communication channels, along with her small list of big things." 24 20:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-News – Episode 9: The Cartography of WordPress – WordPress.orgMay 24 20:13
MinceR24 205227  * psydroid uploaded an image: (175KiB) < >May 24 20:14
MinceRlooks like the author doesn't know what "run out" meansMay 24 20:14
techrights-bot"Evolved for the digital economy, #IBM #LinuxONE gives businesses the security of confidential computing, lightning-fast processing speed, and unparalleled reliability and availability features." 24 20:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IBM LinuxONE and SUSE – Key Components of Hybrid Cloud Infrastructure for Every Business | SUSE CommunitiesMay 24 20:15
techrights-botVisualizing performance in #RedHat Enterprise #Linux 8.4 web console 24 20:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Visualizing performance in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.4 web consoleMay 24 20:16
techrights-bot#opensuse : just don't be a nazi (note that many neo-nazis have long chosen and used SUSE, but the company won't talk about it) 24 20:18
schestowitz[19:53] <psydroid> That's a "great" way to build a "community"May 24 20:19
schestowitzdilute itMay 24 20:19
schestowitz 24 20:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | There’s Apparently a New Boss (or Policy) at Red Hat/IBM | TechrightsMay 24 20:19
techrights-botSometimes you feel like large corporations attack the communities that make and maintain/build the software, even the very same communities that devote all their time to corporate distros disguised as "open" 24 20:20
techrights-bot#ibm : you cannot contribute to #fedora if you [some political waffle] because we're professional and we tolerate no [really horrible thing], except our founder's ... we STILL call products after him! 24 20:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | TechrightsMay 24 20:22
techrights-botApparently more #ibm #layoffs in 3 days (not sporadic but large-scale), based on powwow 24 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How are we looking on layoffs? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 24 20:23
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techrights-bot#OpenMandriva Lx 4.3 RC Now Ready for Testing with Linux 5.12, Official AMD #Vulkan Driver • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 24 20:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | OpenMandriva Lx 4.3 RC Now Ready for Testing with Linux 5.12, Official AMD Vulkan Driver | Tux MachinesMay 24 20:32
techrights-bot#Why #KeePass instead of self-hosting #Bitwarden • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 24 20:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why KeePass instead of self-hosting Bitwarden | Tux MachinesMay 24 20:32
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CrystalMathrasengan[llf]: hi! is there any truth to the new thing people are saying, that you want to reduce off-topic channels on freenode?May 24 21:09
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rasengan[llf]CrystalMath: what? lolMay 24 21:17
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CrystalMathrasengan[llf]: someone actually asked me to check because they believed itMay 24 21:19
CrystalMathbut yeah it's clearly nonsenseMay 24 21:19
techrights-botKeep tabs on your Linux computer specs with this desktop application #gnu #linuxMay 24 21:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Keep tabs on your Linux computer specs with this desktop application | Opensource.comMay 24 21:26
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techrights-bot#Shutter Screenshot Tool May Soon Make its Re-entry to the Ubuntu Repository • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 24 21:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Shutter Screenshot Tool May Soon Make its Re-entry to the Ubuntu Repository | Tux MachinesMay 24 21:40
techrights-botDaniel Stenberg: The #curl user survey 2021 #freesw #deletegithubMay 24 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The curl user survey 2021 | daniel.haxx.seMay 24 21:41
techrights-botIntel AMX Support Continues Being Prepped For The Linux Kernel - Phoronix ⚓ ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in 24 21:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel AMX Support Continues Being Prepped For The Linux Kernel - PhoronixMay 24 21:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsMay 24 21:45
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schestowitz[21:09] <CrystalMath> rasengan[llf]: hi! is there any truth to the new thing people are saying, that you want to reduce off-topic channels on freenode?May 24 21:47
schestowitzsounds like BSMay 24 21:47
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CrystalMathschestowitz: yeah it isMay 24 21:48
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schestowitzdoes not pass the most basic 'smell test'May 24 21:57
schestowitzif they said "abusive channels", maybe...May 24 21:57
schestowitzdepending on what that term meansMay 24 21:57
techrights-bot#irc wars have no winners, except those looking to undermine IRC as communication means 24 22:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | · GitHubMay 24 22:09
techrights-botRitesh Raj Sarraf: #Kget Goodness • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #freeswMay 24 22:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ritesh Raj Sarraf: Kget Goodness | Tux MachinesMay 24 22:10
CrystalMathschestowitz: no, the original post literally says "off-topic channels" (not free software project channels)May 24 22:16
CrystalMathschestowitz: but i don't want to quote it as it's actually nasty, i should have read that firstMay 24 22:16
CrystalMathit's so obviously falseMay 24 22:16
schestowitz 24 22:17
schestowitzpoints out the pollution of misinformationMay 24 22:17
CrystalMathwhat happened was that someone i know was concerned about this after reading the postMay 24 22:17
schestowitzthat's why I keep asking many questionsMay 24 22:17
schestowitzI focused on patents todayMay 24 22:17
schestowitzI've moved on like prawnsaladMay 24 22:17
schestowitzbecause the faster we move on, the less damage will be doneMay 24 22:18
schestowitzfriendly firesMay 24 22:18
schestowitz(not so)May 24 22:18
techrights-bot#Lakka : Turns Your #RaspberryPi Into Gaming Console #gnu #linuxMay 24 22:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Lakka 3.0 release | Tux MachinesMay 24 22:21
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techrights-bot#OpenMandriva Lx 4.3 RC available for testing • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #MandrivaMay 24 22:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | OpenMandriva Lx 4.3 RC available for testing | Tux MachinesMay 24 22:25
techrights-botWell, Igor should just migrate 100% to #gnu #linux then his #vista10 articles are a waste of space IME....May 24 22:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Windows 10 annoyances - Episode 9000May 24 22:28
techrights-botLinux in the Ham (LHS) Episode #414: IRCsome Internet Politics let's move on and beyond these #irc disputes for some calm.May 24 22:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LHS Episode #414: IRCsome Internet Politics | Linux in the Ham ShackMay 24 22:31
techrights-botJonathan Dowland: Answering my own Template #Haskell question #programmingMay 24 22:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | jmtd → log → Answering my own Template Haskell questionMay 24 22:33
schestowitz[22:34] [Whois] downey[m] is online via (London, UK, EU).May 24 22:34
schestowitzUK, EU :-)May 24 22:34
MinceR:)May 24 22:35
schestowitzwelcome backMay 24 22:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Arch Linux - News: Move of official IRC channels to libera.chatMay 24 22:36
schestowitzzero gainMay 24 22:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Leaving Freenode - anarcatMay 24 22:37
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techrights-bot#RedHat Scores A Huge DM Optimization For Linux 5.14 - Phoronix ⚓ ䷉ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux 🐧 | more in 24 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Red Hat Scores A Huge DM Optimization For Linux 5.14 - PhoronixMay 24 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Social Control Media PostsMay 24 22:40
techrights-botA Candid (And SCARY) Conversation About #Internet #Privacy but they use #google YouTube as platform ^_^ #gnu #linuxMay 24 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Candid (And SCARY) Conversation About Internet Privacy - YouTubeMay 24 22:41
techrights-bot"In a recent video about Audacity I had a few people ask me what is means to have a vendored dependency, I had assumed this was common knowledge so I didn't both explaining but here's a dedicated video on the topic anyway." 24 22:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What Really Is A Vendored Dependency? - YouTubeMay 24 22:42
techrights-botVideos/Shows: Brodie Robertson, Privacy, Linux in the Ham Shack,GNU World Order and More • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 24 22:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Videos/Shows: Brodie Robertson, Privacy, Linux in the Ham Shack, GNU World Order and More | Tux MachinesMay 24 22:45
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schestowitzwb, stormchaser3000May 24 22:47
stormchaser3000HelloMay 24 22:47
techrights-botToday’s #HowTos | #UNIX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 24 22:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's howtos | Tux MachinesMay 24 22:49
techrights-bot#IBM / #RedHat : Linux, Java, RHEL, LinuxONE • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 24 22:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM/Red Hat: Linux, Java, RHEL, LinuxONE | Tux MachinesMay 24 22:52
techrights-botFormula Student racer runs #Ubuntu on Comet Lake Mini-ITX • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 24 22:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Formula Student racer runs Ubuntu on Comet Lake Mini-ITX | Tux MachinesMay 24 22:55
techrights-bot#Entroware Unleashes a Beast of a Linux Laptop #gnu #linuxMay 24 22:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Entroware Proteus is a Linux Laptop for Getting Things Done | Tux MachinesMay 24 22:58
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techrights-botBragging about #military connections #almalinux #clownLinuxMay 24 23:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | TuxCare Services from CloudLinux Help Support U.S. Department of Defense and Space Force National Security MissionMay 24 23:07
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techrights-bot#Linux and #Graphics : Intel, NVIDIA, #Ethereum • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #TuxMachinesMay 24 23:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux and Graphics: Intel, NVIDIA, Ethereum | Tux MachinesMay 24 23:07
baronhk[m]1I don't see how DuckDuckGo needs to have an entire browser.May 24 23:09
MinceRgoogle has several, they need to competeMay 24 23:10
schestowitzlolMay 24 23:10
schestowitzdoes it?May 24 23:10
MinceRthere's one on android, apparentlyMay 24 23:10
schestowitzmaybe Microsoft will sponsor itMay 24 23:10
schestowitzand base it on chromium code :-)May 24 23:10
schestowitzhard-linked to MS Azure :-)May 24 23:10
MinceRwhat else are they going to base it on, firefox? :)May 24 23:10
schestowitzMicrosoft satellite to privacy-wash the thugsMay 24 23:10
schestowitzDDG is a jokeMay 24 23:10
schestowitzpeople who use it are misledMay 24 23:11
schestowitzmaybe by adsMay 24 23:11
schestowitzmaybe they read the in-forum adsMay 24 23:11
schestowitzDDG interjects propaganda into technical forumsMay 24 23:11
schestowitzlike reddit and stackexchangeMay 24 23:11
schestowitzoverflowMay 24 23:11
RedfoxmoonDDG might not be perfect, but it's not the googMay 24 23:12
techrights-bot"In 2019, I wrote a zine about SQL. When I started, I thought it would be easy because I was pretty comfortable with SQL – I’d done a LOT of data analysis in SQL and so I thought I could explain it." 24 23:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Blog about what you've struggled withMay 24 23:16
techrights-ipfs ▕  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: ▆▅▆▇▆▂▆▅▃▃▄▆▇▆▄▅▇▂▆▃▆▅▅▅▆▅▆▅▅▅▅▆▁ avg(k/sec) 25.38 ▕  IPFS upstream: ▂▁▂▂▁▂▂▁▁▂▂▂▂▁▁▂▂▁▃▁▂▂▂▁▂▂▃▂▃▁▃▃▂▁ avg(k/sec) 5.90▕ swarm size (avg): 229.67  ⟲May 24 23:16
techrights-bot#GNOMEFoundation Board Elections 2021 • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #GNOME #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 24 23:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GNOME Foundation Board Elections 2021 | Tux MachinesMay 24 23:16
techrights-bot#Security Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 24 23:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Security Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 24 23:17
schestowitzRedfoxmoon: it's MicrosoftMay 24 23:19
schestowitzGoogle/Microsoft = false dichotomyMay 24 23:19
techrights-botWhat is #GNOMEFoundation lots of #IBM and #Microsoft 24 23:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | GNOME Foundation - TechrightsMay 24 23:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | All of GNOME Board of Directors Works on (for?) Microsoft GitHub | TechrightsMay 24 23:22
techrights-bot"that is nothing to do with #IBM , the fund is outsourced to a pension company." 24 23:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IBM Pension - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 24 23:24
techrights-bot"The working number that IBM has to remove in 2021 and 2022 via layoffs, spin-offs, retirement, attrition, and over stuffing GTS is 100k more or less. Approx 180k headcount is the number that new #IBM has to get down to to be competitive." 24 23:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How are we looking on layoffs? - post regarding IBM layoffsMay 24 23:25
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cybrNautbaronhk[m]1> I don't see how DuckDuckGo needs to have an entire browser. <= after reading someone's essay "the tyranny of convenience", i realized that DDG's big mission to become the default search engine in browsers is all about exploiting convenience.  having their own browser would leverage the same.. they would be their own default search engine, and they would likely hard-code itMay 24 23:46
cybrNautRedfoxmoon> DDG might not be perfect, but it's not the goog <= calling DDG "imperfect" is an unjust distortion.  most search engines are not perfect, but DDG is too far from perfect to be called merely "imperfect"May 24 23:48
schestowitzFB tried itMay 24 23:48
schestowitzalso at OS levelMay 24 23:48
schestowitzfor mobileMay 24 23:48
cybrNautbaronhk[m]1: see 24 23:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why You Should Avoid DuckDuckGo (DDG) 2021 Edition, Now Microsoft-Hosted and With Extra Privacy Risks | TechrightsMay 24 23:48
techrights-bot#Debian Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 24 23:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Debian Leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 24 23:49
techrights-botToday’s 𝐓𝐮𝐱 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬 Leftovers • 𝕿𝖚𝖝 𝕸𝖆𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖘 ⇨ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesMay 24 23:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesMay 24 23:49
techrights-botLinks 24/5/2021: #OpenMandriva Lx 4.3 RC, #GZDoom 4.6.0 • 𝔗𝔢𝔠𝔥𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔰 ⚓ ䷉ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | ♾ Gemini address: gemini:// 24 23:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Links 24/5/2021: OpenMandriva Lx 4.3 RC, GZDoom 4.6.0 | TechrightsMay 24 23:49
cybrNautRedfoxmoon: the closest search engine to perfection is Ss.  https://sercxi.nnpaefp7pkadbxxkhz2agtbv2a4g5sgo2fbmv3i7czaua354334uqqad.onion/May 24 23:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Could not resolve host: sercxi.nnpaefp7pkadbxxkhz2agtbv2a4g5sgo2fbmv3i7czaua354334uqqad.onion; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://sercxi.nnpaefp7pkadbxxkhz2agtbv2a4g5sgo2fbmv3i7czaua354334uqqad.onion/ )May 24 23:50
techrights-botMaintenance release: #GodotEngine 3.3.2 #gamesMay 24 23:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Godot Engine - Maintenance release: Godot 3.3.2May 24 23:51
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techrights-botThis can run under #gnu #linux too (albeit #ProprietarySoftware with #drm :( ) 24 23:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SCS put up an open Beta for multiplayer in Euro Truck Sim 2 and American Truck Sim | GamingOnLinuxMay 24 23:52
techrights-bot"And there’ve been some interesting developments in the Linux smartphone space recently." Lots of phones based on #gnu #linux (yes, GNU also) 24 23:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lilbits: Linux phones and laptops, gaming on the Surface Duo, and is Netflix the Netflix for games? - LiliputingMay 24 23:54
schestowitzcybrNaut: how about ?May 24 23:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How does it work | - the search engine that cryptographically protects your privacyMay 24 23:54
*CrystalMath is now known as CrystalMath[llf]May 24 23:54
schestowitzHave you heard of it?May 24 23:54
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techrights-bot"Fuck that bug" #linux #graphics #zinkMay 24 23:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Breaking – Mike Blumenkrantz – Super. Good. Code.May 24 23:58
techrights-botAuthenticated hashes for btrfs (part 1) #linux #btrfs #kernel #deletegithubMay 24 23:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Authenticated hashes for btrfs (part 1)May 24 23:59

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