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| schestowitz | twitter: just noticed this one: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.l... The thread has been hijacked by nothing but trolls. Watch how they attack the messenger (you) by saying something about comment ratings (which they typically game... they do the same thing in Digg). | Aug 25 07:08 |
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| schestowitz | Still 4 Munchkins in Digg modding down every single comment of mine. Most recent comments: http://digg.com/linux_unix/3_Must_H... http://digg.com/linux_unix/64_Stu... | Aug 25 07:29 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Jack advertises in his blog: http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technolo... | Aug 25 08:11 |
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| baijum | The link to wiki page at bottom is pointing to a different page here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/24/prot... | Aug 25 09:07 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I realised this. Anivar sent it to me like this. It's part of the press release, apparently. | Aug 25 09:07 |
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| baijum | oh. actually that is another campaign conducted earlier (which you have covered before) | Aug 25 09:08 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, wait... | Aug 25 09:09 |
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| baijum | The current label is correct but not the href | Aug 25 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | Which link is *that*? | Aug 25 09:09 |
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| baijum | http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Say_No_T... | Aug 25 09:11 |
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| baijum | ^^^ label | Aug 25 09:11 |
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| baijum | and href also should be same | Aug 25 09:11 |
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| baijum | oh. the press release PDF link is also wrong :( | Aug 25 09:11 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I see... I copied that with the mistake. | Aug 25 09:11 |
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| schestowitz | My guess is that they reused/used as template the previous press release from OOXML protests. | Aug 25 09:13 |
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| baijum | there is every chance, the location and most of the campaigners also were same | Aug 25 09:14 |
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| schestowitz | There were over 100 of them I'm told.. | Aug 25 09:15 |
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| *benJIman waves from suse offices. | Aug 25 09:22 |
| schestowitz | Germany? | Aug 25 09:23 |
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| benJIman | Yes. | Aug 25 09:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://talkback.zdnet.com/5... | Aug 25 10:55 |
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| trmanco | http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolb... | Aug 25 11:01 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, the 'mafia' is still trying to change laws because it can't compete based on merit. | Aug 25 11:03 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: Thanks for the great coverage | Aug 25 11:25 |
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| twitter | Good morning. The trolls have been busy? Going to look. | Aug 25 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | Well, I commented above. Later I just weaved this in with the latest BN post. | Aug 25 15:05 |
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| twitter | They are more active and obvious at Slashdot. I would be lucky to only get four or five trolls per post. It's probably audience size and gullibility that guides their effort. | Aug 25 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | There's a new bunch of scum in USENET today. | Aug 25 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | Intimidation tactics I noticed again 10 seconds ago. | Aug 25 15:10 |
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| twitter | Oh, that's worse. | Aug 25 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | The Munchkind forge identities of regulars who are anonymous and then post compete details like full names, addresses, tel. #, etc. | Aug 25 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | They unmask people in Linux advocacy forums to get them in trouble or drive them away | Aug 25 15:11 |
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| twitter | Or screw people they don't like who have no idea it happened. | Aug 25 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | They have done this to 2 people so far today, multiple times even. In general, this has gone on for months and I think it helps them discourage participation. | Aug 25 15:12 |
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| twitter | Yes, that's the primary intent. | Aug 25 15:12 |
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| schestowitz | I get E-mails from lurkers who are afraid of actually participating actively because of the thuggish behaviour. | Aug 25 15:12 |
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| twitter | Everything they can do to make things suck. | Aug 25 15:12 |
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| schestowitz | I'd rather they would just attack /me/ because at least that keeps the forum going (I don't really mind the slander much anymore) | Aug 25 15:13 |
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| twitter | ESR warned the community of this. | Aug 25 15:13 |
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| schestowitz | I once googled "how to ruin a forum" | Aug 25 15:13 |
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| schestowitz | I tried to see if some people try to master the skills or not only trolling but also making people scared of taking part. | Aug 25 15:13 |
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| schestowitz | ESR/ | Aug 25 15:13 |
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| schestowitz | ? | Aug 25 15:13 |
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| schestowitz | Where? | Aug 25 15:13 |
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| twitter | They have posted a lot of trolling literature but I don't think they get much consistent unpaid participation. | Aug 25 15:14 |
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| MinceR | if it was a forum, it could be moderated :> | Aug 25 15:14 |
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| twitter | Oh, ESR, Years ago. I'll dig up a link. | Aug 25 15:14 |
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| schestowitz | Ta | Aug 25 15:14 |
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| schestowitz | Oh dear... now they attack Rex using some new nyms, pretty much threatening his with a libel lawsuit for not backing correct statements about Microsoft's OEM tactics. | Aug 25 15:16 |
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| twitter | 2004, http://www.catb.org/~esr/hallowe... | Aug 25 15:29 |
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| twitter | " The outlines of the next stage in Microsoft's anti-open-source propaganda campaign are becoming clear" | Aug 25 15:29 |
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| twitter | " coexistence is not a stable solution for them, it cannot be for us either. We have to assume that Microsoft's long-term aim is to crush our culture and drive us to extinction by whatever combination of technical, economic, legal, and political means they can muster" | Aug 25 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. I'm seeing it. | Aug 25 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | Anything there about forums or ad hominem? (I'm still reading) | Aug 25 15:31 |
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| twitter | No, just a general warning that the entire culture of free software would be attacked. | Aug 25 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | "Expect Microsoft to ally even more closely with the RIAA and MPAA in making yet another try at hardware-based DRM restrictions " | Aug 25 15:32 |
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| twitter | He also predicted linking free software to terrorism. | Aug 25 15:32 |
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| twitter | Compare to this internal M$ doc from about the same time. http://iowa.gotthefacts.org/01... | Aug 25 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | I also expect a serious effort, backed by several billion dollars in bribe money (oops, excuse me, campaign contributions), to get open-source software outlawed on some kind of theory that it aids terrorists. We can only defeat that by making sure that national governments become so attached to open-source code that their military men and bureaucrats will short-stop the bribed legislators, rather than let their vital infrastructure | Aug 25 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | be outlawed. | Aug 25 15:34 |
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| twitter | They know that FUD and intimidation are all they have left. | Aug 25 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | So, in essence "Call 'them' the terrorists, not the monopolist that bribes and whatever." | Aug 25 15:35 |
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| twitter | You see what they did to Peter Quinn. | Aug 25 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Aug 25 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | And others. | Aug 25 15:35 |
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| twitter | When honest government people call for action, M$ smears them and dismantles their department. | Aug 25 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | Or... bribes it (Nigeria for example). | Aug 25 15:36 |
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| twitter | This should cause more people to revolt. The more horrible the enemy the more they should be fought. | Aug 25 15:36 |
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| schestowitz | There's a good document about Microsoft's call for "Jihad". It's referring to merciless marketing. | Aug 25 15:36 |
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| twitter | They want to intimidate, but their own studies have shown it backfires. | Aug 25 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | I showed this to Marc Fleury and believe it or not, he didn't buy it. He made a deal with Microsoft in the past. He has an XBox. | Aug 25 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | Well, they produce studies by proxy. | Aug 25 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | Yankee, Burton, Enderle... or whatever straw man/punchbag they can pay enough to take the insult. | Aug 25 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | Lots here: v | Aug 25 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf | Aug 25 15:38 |
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| twitter | Ah yes, the slog doc. | Aug 25 15:47 |
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| twitter | It's pretty good evidence of M$ tactics. ESR predicted these would be turned against free software. Now we see how they have done it. | Aug 25 15:48 |
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| twitter | Along the lines of the advertisement you noticed, there's also the M$ AmbASSador program at US Universities that's been going on for years now. | Aug 25 15:51 |
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| twitter | Besides paying people to show their products in public, they target and corrupt free software advocates. | Aug 25 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | Any URl about this? I covered this university corruption thing before. | Aug 25 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/... | Aug 25 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | Some here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/30/m... | Aug 25 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/19... | Aug 25 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/27/m... | Aug 25 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | The above have evidence of Microsoft corrupting academics. | Aug 25 15:58 |
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| twitter | No url, sorry, it comes from personal observation. | Aug 25 16:06 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm, new gNewSense... | Aug 25 16:09 |
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| PetoKraus | i guess i am gonna try it (as a livecd ofc) | Aug 25 16:10 |
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| PetoKraus | just to see what percentage of my HW is supported by OSS drivers | Aug 25 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | Gobuntu will have it as an installation to all, assuming Jono Bacon was right. | Aug 25 16:11 |
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| schestowitz | But it won't be called Gobuntu I suspect. | Aug 25 16:11 |
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| twitter | A good distribution, like Debian, will tell if non free modules have tainted your system. VRMS will tell you about your software. | Aug 25 16:12 |
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| twitter | The only thing I ever have problems with is wifi in desktops. | Aug 25 16:12 |
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| PetoKraus | twitter: well, Debian is not completely free either | Aug 25 16:13 |
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| twitter | Sure, but it will tell you when it is not. | Aug 25 16:13 |
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| PetoKraus | e.g. closed-sourced ucodes for wifi | Aug 25 16:13 |
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| PetoKraus | no, it actually won't | Aug 25 16:13 |
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| twitter | really? | Aug 25 16:13 |
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| PetoKraus | http://www.gnewsense.org/inde... | Aug 25 16:13 |
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| twitter | bah, what FUD. | Aug 25 16:14 |
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| PetoKraus | FUD? | Aug 25 16:14 |
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| twitter | the non free section is not turned on by default. | Aug 25 16:14 |
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| PetoKraus | yes on ubuntu | Aug 25 16:15 |
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| PetoKraus | not on debian | Aug 25 16:15 |
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| PetoKraus | as stated there | Aug 25 16:15 |
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| twitter | bullshit. | Aug 25 16:15 |
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| twitter | to get non free you have to put the term "nonfree" next to main in your /etc/apt/sources.list | Aug 25 16:15 |
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| twitter | the binary blob issue is one I'm less familiar with. | Aug 25 16:16 |
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| twitter | The kernel may be released with non free modules but they scream "taint" when you load them and I don't think they load by default. | Aug 25 16:20 |
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| trmanco | what is PR? | Aug 25 16:23 |
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| PetoKraus | you're false | Aug 25 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | I think Debian loads some non-Free s/w. Else, gNewSense would not be needed. | Aug 25 16:24 |
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| PetoKraus | that's true for debian | Aug 25 16:24 |
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| PetoKraus | but not for ubuntu | Aug 25 16:24 |
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| PetoKraus | ubuntu enables non-free by default | Aug 25 16:24 |
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| PetoKraus | (flash preinstalled is prime example) | Aug 25 16:24 |
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| twitter | No, GNUSense has a place as a distribution. | Aug 25 16:24 |
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| PetoKraus | well, gnewsense = gnusense | Aug 25 16:25 |
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| trmanco | http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolb... | Aug 25 16:25 |
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| twitter | Ubuntu contains free software that can't be distributed in the US due to the DMCA, so it's a good place to start. | Aug 25 16:25 |
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| twitter | It's also nice to have a distribution that does not waste it's time and resources with non free software and binary blobs. | Aug 25 16:26 |
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| PetoKraus | so, what's your point in this discussion then? | Aug 25 16:27 |
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| PetoKraus | there was no FUD on the page | Aug 25 16:27 |
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| twitter | That does not make Debian some kind of Novell like sneak thief. | Aug 25 16:27 |
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| trmanco | http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsst... | Aug 25 16:27 |
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| twitter | The FUD is implying that debian does things without you knowing about it. | Aug 25 16:27 |
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| PetoKraus | well, is it true, or is it not? | Aug 25 16:28 |
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| PetoKraus | yes, it does them, so? | Aug 25 16:28 |
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| twitter | Show me where Debian will load a binary blob by default, without warning. | Aug 25 16:29 |
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| twitter | In other words, prove the FUD and I'll take it seriously. | Aug 25 16:29 |
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| PetoKraus | show me, where is written such a thing on gNewSense page | Aug 25 16:29 |
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| twitter | If you did not believe such a thing, why would you say you need GNUSense to find out "what percentage of my HW is supported by OSS drivers" | Aug 25 16:32 |
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| twitter | :) | Aug 25 16:33 |
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| PetoKraus | because it's easier way? | Aug 25 16:33 |
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| PetoKraus | debian doesn't have a livecd. | Aug 25 16:33 |
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| PetoKraus | afaik ^^ | Aug 25 16:33 |
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| twitter | http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ | Aug 25 16:35 |
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| twitter | I wonder if it comes with VRMS | Aug 25 16:36 |
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| Tallken | Article: Red Hat, Fedora servers infiltrated by attackers < http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/po... > | Aug 25 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | Is it really news by now? :-) | Aug 25 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | Bear in mind that Microsoft's hasn't a good track record, either. | Aug 25 17:12 |
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| Tallken | lol just read it now | Aug 25 17:14 |
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| Tallken | my idea was to keep things balanced | Aug 25 17:14 |
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| Tallken | doesn't mind the attack, Fedora isn't bundling up several bugs in a disclosure just to count the number of disclosures later | Aug 25 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | Did they find the cause? I haven't looked yet. | Aug 25 17:15 |
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| Tallken | if they did, it isn't mentioned in that article | Aug 25 17:16 |
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| Tallken | btw schestowitz, Ballmer is coming to Portugal, are you interested in the link? He's meeting Microsoft International's boss; AFAIK no meeting with local bodies, government or otherwise | Aug 25 17:20 |
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| Tallken | schestowitz, ok, the purpose of the visit is also to "establish contacts with business leaders and Portuguese" politicians [mistranslation here, Google fails to add the politicians there] -- http://translate.google.pt/translate?u=ht... | Aug 25 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks, I'm looking now. | Aug 25 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | Nice photo they chose for it. Which company is he working for? :-) | Aug 25 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | I last wrote about Portugal in < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06... > by the way | Aug 25 17:29 |
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| Tallken | ROFL | Aug 25 17:29 |
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| Tallken | @ MS / Novell pic | Aug 25 17:30 |
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| Tallken | thanks for the link, though I had already taken a quick look at it :) | Aug 25 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, it meets criticism, doesn't it? Maybe he'll talk to the minister about those laptops they buy. | Aug 25 17:31 |
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| Tallken | probably lol | Aug 25 17:31 |
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| Tallken | to ensure they run Windows | Aug 25 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | He'll want to ensure that they run Windows, not GNU/Linux. Also, schools in Portugal have the youngsters exposed to OOo, based on what I've read. | Aug 25 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | I bet he'll bring a big suitcase... well, or maybe just a check book with a high level of thickness. | Aug 25 17:32 |
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| Tallken | hum don't know, didn't use the school's computers | Aug 25 17:32 |
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| Tallken | they had XP though | Aug 25 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | OOo runs on XP too. | Aug 25 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | It's the applications layer that makes a migration to GNU/Linux very smoouth. | Aug 25 17:33 |
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| Tallken | ya but I can't remember which Office suite they had | Aug 25 17:33 |
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| Tallken | *office suite | Aug 25 17:33 |
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| Tallken | anyway, me away | Aug 25 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | It was a plan for OOo. That's where Mcirosoft stepped in. | Aug 25 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | It fought back in two ways, IIRC: (1) laptops for kids; (2) something to do with free PCs (subscription) and maybe some broadband arrangement to cover it. I'd have to look at my notes. | Aug 25 17:37 |
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| Tallken | Article: Opinion: Why Google has lost its mojo -- and why you should care -- by Preston Gralla < http://www.computerworld.com/action/ar... > | Aug 25 18:18 |
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| Tallken | Honest review or FUD? | Aug 25 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | Oh no.. | Aug 25 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | Some people say that Preston Grall is a FUD master. | Aug 25 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | Well, he /did/ say he would try GNU/Linux recently and his new 'colleague' SJVN had to correct him for FUD. But he wrote a good OOo review recently, so I don't know. I did see Enderle publishing some nonsense a few moments ago. | Aug 25 18:20 |
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| Tallken | Ernderle ? who is Enderle ? | Aug 25 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | Just looking now. He has a bone to pick with Google, so he finds some isolated stories to piece together FUD. | Aug 25 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | Enderle is a Microsoft shill of the worst kind because he attacks Linux. For years! Search BN.com for "enderle" to get a taste of that piece of work. | Aug 25 18:22 |
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| schestowitz | Just to assist: http://www.google.com/search?s... | Aug 25 18:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/action/articl... Tell Nancy Gohring that Android will not support cassette tapes, either. I don't see what the big deal is. Wi-Fi has leapfrogged Bluetooth, never mind the effect of radiation. | Aug 25 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | I see some other Google FUD today, especially ones to do with intrusion of those vehicle-mounted cameras. I'm not defending it, but I just see a surge in Google-critical content. | Aug 25 18:27 |
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| twitter | fair and balanced security incident reporting. GNU/Linux 1. Winblows billion and billions failed. | Aug 25 18:52 |
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| twitter | It's like the number under the golden arches. | Aug 25 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | I wrote a post this morning about Microsoft's systematic lack of disclosure. It seemed like good timing. | Aug 25 18:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/25/... | Aug 25 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | I published this one when the Debian/OpenSSL incidents was first reported: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/1... | Aug 25 18:54 |
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| twitter | Does anyone still think they can run Windows and not get owned? In SLOG terms, how many years do people have to sleep with a toot under their pillow before they face reality? | Aug 25 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | Well, Geer and others were gagged and the press still rarely talks about it. I might incite panic. It always amuses me when headlines say that the FBI shut down a botnet of 100,000 machines (recent example). That's peanuts. It's like 0.3% of them. | Aug 25 19:06 |
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| twitter | Panic or decisions based on correct information? | Aug 25 19:08 |
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| twitter | It's not amusing. | Aug 25 19:08 |
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| schestowitz | The latter. It means Windows Quarantine (C). Some people would lose their jobs. | Aug 25 19:09 |
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| twitter | The other day, I installed DOS 6 on an P1 for kicks. The splash screen talked about file security and AV. That was from 1993. | Aug 25 19:10 |
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| twitter | Most people would not lose their jobs, except for gross incompetence, if the real M$ security picture were well known. Someone would have to fix all of those broken computers. | Aug 25 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | I remember the Exchange server next door becoming a zombie. Also see: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/... | Aug 25 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | Well, they wants to fix it with TC now. You know, exclude FOSS at the same time... | Aug 25 19:12 |
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| twitter | It's rather common and it's been the same old story the whole time. People using Winblows for work routinely face weeks of outage and lost work. | Aug 25 19:12 |
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| twitter | TC? | Aug 25 19:13 |
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| schestowitz | PJ has just put up a lot of the link I had sent her this morning. She also picked the one about the broken update, where Microsoft spins the situation where it left machines remotely compromisable (bad patch). | Aug 25 19:13 |
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| schestowitz | TC = Trusted computing. TPM/ | Aug 25 19:14 |
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| twitter | Oh, that TC. Good for you and PJ. | Aug 25 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | It'll be interesting to see if BN.com can get more visits then GL some time in the future. It might raise tensions. | Aug 25 19:20 |
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| schestowitz | This article < http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.ph... > calls it 'social engineering', but a case of _visiting_ a site to become a zombie (classic IE) is o social engineering. It's ActiveX maybe. It's bad engineering. | Aug 25 19:26 |
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| Tallken | woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | Aug 25 19:26 |
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| Tallken | wth | Aug 25 19:26 |
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| Tallken | can anyone confirm me that MSN Messenger 9 has compatibility with Google Talk ???? | Aug 25 19:27 |
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| [H]omer | Greetings Comrades :) | Aug 25 19:34 |
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| [H]omer | Been a while | Aug 25 19:34 |
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| [H]omer | What's new? | Aug 25 19:34 |
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| Tallken | the usual | Aug 25 19:35 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, how is it in ùÃÅÃÆÃ⢠| Aug 25 19:35 |
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| [H]omer | Dunno, I'm in Scotland :) | Aug 25 19:35 |
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| schestowitz | Where are the packets coming from? | Aug 25 19:36 |
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| [H]omer | VPN proxy to Moscow | Aug 25 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | VPN? | Aug 25 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, yup. | Aug 25 19:36 |
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| [H]omer | Virtual Private Network | Aug 25 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | About time. | Aug 25 19:36 |
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| [H]omer | Yes, and I'm stayin' here too | Aug 25 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | Any boy should be given a proxy for the th birthday. It's a sign of manhood. | Aug 25 19:36 |
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| [H]omer | :) | Aug 25 19:36 |
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| [H]omer | I see your sence of humour has improved | Aug 25 19:36 |
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| [H]omer | *sense | Aug 25 19:37 |
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| schestowitz | Does Dubya user VPN to surf tah Google? | Aug 25 19:37 |
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| [H]omer | No, he just gets the NSA to delete his Emails | Aug 25 19:37 |
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| schestowitz | Or Excahnge. | Aug 25 19:37 |
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| [H]omer | Talking about the no-such-agency, and their pals at the MAFIAA€® ... screw them - I'm proxied. Sniff my encrypted packets now, ya b'stards ;) | Aug 25 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | A$$ociated Press: "Expert: White House Negligent on E-Mail [...] Rhe White House e-mail troubles began in 2002 with a decision to upgrade electronic message capabilities and move from Lotus Notes to Microsoft Exchange. " | Aug 25 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | Alan is being hit by Mono boosters right now: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2008/08... | Aug 25 19:39 |
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| [H]omer | He's definitely one of the good guys | Aug 25 19:39 |
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| [H]omer | I just noticed ... you quoted 30 words from the AP ... you owe them $600. Get yet wallet out. | Aug 25 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | I know, I know. | Aug 25 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | The invoice will come in the mail. | Aug 25 19:43 |
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| [H]omer | I printed this page and distributed it around the town, for those who probably don't read the geek news, or *any* news, or don't even have a PC: | Aug 25 19:45 |
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| [H]omer | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/19... | Aug 25 19:45 |
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| [H]omer | The reactions have been pretty shocking | Aug 25 19:45 |
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| [H]omer | I don't think many people realise just how much of a Police State the UK really has become | Aug 25 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | How many pounds per person would that be? | Aug 25 19:46 |
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| [H]omer | God knows | Aug 25 19:46 |
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| [H]omer | I'm not so much worried about how they pay for it, as the fact that it exists at *all*. | Aug 25 19:47 |
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| schestowitz | I thought about SSLing my connection. I mean, I correspond with my family using Wikis (not what you have in mind) and telephone is now a shared conversation. Not only that... it's stored indefinitely. | Aug 25 19:47 |
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| [H]omer | I haven't made or accepted a voice call in nearly three years. Yes really. | Aug 25 19:48 |
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| [H]omer | In fact the ringer is turned off, so I can't even hear it. | Aug 25 19:48 |
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| schestowitz | British Government: 0.5 million snoop requests in the past year alone, IIRC. That's a lot of 'terrorist suspects,' no? | Aug 25 19:48 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* Well, that sort of makes sense. I'm like that with television, although I still watch it at the gym and friend's house... kind of like I use Windows. | Aug 25 19:49 |
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| schestowitz | *friends' | Aug 25 19:49 |
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| [H]omer | I strongly suspect that the "terrorist" bullshit is not only a government lie, but was in fact *manufactured* by them to begin with. | Aug 25 19:49 |
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| schestowitz | I think it's a bit of oth. | Aug 25 19:50 |
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| [H]omer | Just as a means of introducing this Surveillance Culture | Aug 25 19:50 |
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| moparx | hey all | Aug 25 19:50 |
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| [H]omer | hey | Aug 25 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | *both. Accentuation of the problems is the key. Opportunistic situation. | Aug 25 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | It doesn't bother me much, but that too is an interlude to exclusion of 'unwanted' technology. Earlier we discussed 'Trusted' Computing. | Aug 25 19:51 |
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| [H]omer | Alex Jones had a good analogy for the "terrorist threat". He compared it to a wasp's nest being deliberately stirred up to aggravate people. And it's the government doing the stirring. | Aug 25 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | Is it s video? Text? URL? | Aug 25 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | I've seen smear campaigns against those folks. Nasty stuff what they get... | Aug 25 19:53 |
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| [H]omer | Google Video "911: Rise of the Police State" | Aug 25 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | Google Video "911: Rise of the Police Stat | Aug 25 19:54 |
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| [H]omer | yup | Aug 25 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://video.google.com/videoplay?do... | Aug 25 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | Though I don't believe in the 9/11 conspiracy, mind you. | Aug 25 19:54 |
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| [H]omer | Watch that video, it might change your mind | Aug 25 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoDqDvbgeXM | Aug 25 19:55 |
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| schestowitz | Jones et al have something to gain from making it look so. | Aug 25 19:55 |
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| [H]omer | Yeah well, that's just one guy's opinion. There's far too many unanswered questions and inconsistencies about 911 for the "official stories" to be believable. | Aug 25 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | That may be true that many opinions exist. Still, unless there's a massive precedence of this kind (taking the dive at that scale), it seems more like wishful thinking to some. | Aug 25 20:00 |
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| [H]omer | Nonetheless, the governments' wet dream of a Surveillance Society is coming true, under the pretext of "terrorism". | Aug 25 20:02 |
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| [H]omer | And nobody seems to have the power to stop it. | Aug 25 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | Well... | Aug 25 20:02 |
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| [H]omer | Hence the need for VPN | Aug 25 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | That's one thing. To think they needed such a catalyst for PATRIOT is far fetched. | Aug 25 20:03 |
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| [H]omer | I mean one can't even take a bloody photo in public now, for God's sake. | Aug 25 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | They'll ruin that dream is it's popularised. | Aug 25 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | Seen my post in COLA about ESR? | Aug 25 20:03 |
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| [H]omer | No, I've been away from COLA for a while | Aug 25 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | twitter showed that to me. Halloween Document on calling FOSS communism and terrorism in order to ban or change it. | Aug 25 20:04 |
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| [H]omer | Been busy with various other Civil Rights stuff | Aug 25 20:04 |
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| [H]omer | Really? | Aug 25 20:04 |
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| [H]omer | Link? | Aug 25 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | Wait. | Aug 25 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | Surely, the trolls attacked without minutes (the messenger). | Aug 25 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os... | Aug 25 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | Jones take the piss out of Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrnie.... *LMAO* | Aug 25 20:07 |
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| [H]omer | Been watching various videos of Noam Chomsky ... interesting perspectives | Aug 25 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | I trust him more than I trust Jones because he's a senior and been out there investigating since the 60s, IIRC. He has seen a lot. | Aug 25 20:17 |
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| schestowitz | It's a good lesson in how to tell the truth without losing credibility (strong language, exaggeration, improper analogies). Rest assured, he too is smeared like nobody's business. He's like RMS in a sense... American media keeps its distance from it, but people overseas love him. | Aug 25 20:19 |
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| [H]omer | In particular I like his analogy of modern capitalism to slavery here: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HFxYyXGMfZM&NR=1 | Aug 25 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | I'll take a look. He uses slavery/feminism/sexism/apartheid analogies. It gets past the filter only if Murdock/Gates and other media minions are on vacation or something. Even then, the investments and obedient cronies remain. Just watch how Perens struggled to publish the truth about Microsoft and SCO, even when he presents testimonies under oath. | Aug 25 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | *MurdoCH | Aug 25 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/082... They should really stop approaching Gartner for opinions. They let those Gates-sponsors people in suits run the industry with words, instructions, and FUD. | Aug 25 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | http://tinyurl.com/65mzvs | Aug 25 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://beranger.org/index.php?p... | Aug 25 20:54 |
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| trmanco | http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/i... | Aug 25 21:32 |
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| trmanco | the second page me seem interesting | Aug 25 21:33 |
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| trmanco | may* | Aug 25 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, _Doug. Hey, trmanco. | Aug 25 21:33 |
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| trmanco | Hi | Aug 25 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I saw this some days ago and talked here about possibilities. Maybe Oracle even... although it's allergic to Free software development. | Aug 25 21:34 |
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| trmanco | sorry I haven't been participating in the chat lately these days, been a little busy :P | Aug 25 21:35 |
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| schestowitz | Ashlee Vance, who is now moving from The Reg to NYT, said that Fujitsu would be a good suitor. | Aug 25 21:35 |
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| trmanco | the second page mentions Microsoft on buying Sun | Aug 25 21:35 |
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| schestowitz | What has happened to Sun over the years began happening to Microsoft some years ago. Microsoft may be the next Sun, or SCO... | Aug 25 21:36 |
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| _Doug | Hey there .. | Aug 25 21:36 |
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| trmanco | "Microsoft might want to get more involved in open source. Alternatively, "Microsoft may also view a Sun acquisition as a way to tilt the scales to Windows by phasing out Sun support for Linux," the 451 Group report says. " | Aug 25 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | Sun doesn't even own UNIX and it has OOo. I don't see why Microsoft would need it. | Aug 25 21:36 |
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| trmanco | to destroy Ooo and the odf format :| | Aug 25 21:37 |
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| trmanco | just like what they did, and are doind to Novell | Aug 25 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is running low on cash in the bank ($26bn left and ~$20 buybacks to be depleted). | Aug 25 21:37 |
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| trmanco | doing* | Aug 25 21:37 |
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| trmanco | yes | Aug 25 21:37 |
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| trmanco | didn't have enough money to buy out yahoo :P | Aug 25 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | They have possibilities, but I don't even think the FTC would permit this... unless it was corrupted (which it typically is) | Aug 25 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | They needed to borrow over $20bn for Yahoo. I think Sun was worth $13bn the last time I checked. | Aug 25 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | Novell's market cap is around $2bn | Aug 25 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, ODF and Sun are not Microsoft's main problem. | Aug 25 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | SaaS is a greater threat to them. | Aug 25 21:39 |
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| trmanco | Sun has MYSQL Virtualbox Solaris and Sparc | Aug 25 21:39 |
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| trmanco | SaaS? | Aug 25 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | Google, Zoho... | Aug 25 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: true, but what would Microsoft do with MySQL? Make it work only under Windows? It would be forked immediately. Waste of money for MS... | Aug 25 21:40 |
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| trmanco | -> Software as a service? | Aug 25 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Aug 25 21:40 |
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| trmanco | well, Microsoft would simply fork it and then destroy mysql | Aug 25 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | It can't. It's not like Zimbra. It's GPL. | Aug 25 21:41 |
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| trmanco | you are maybe right it probably would be a waste of money | Aug 25 21:41 |
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| twitter | Yeah, but they can disrupt and FUD. | Aug 25 21:42 |
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| trmanco | oh yeah I forgot about GPL :| | Aug 25 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft could even fork MySQL now and improve/rebrand it, for what for? The margins of SQL Servers are orders of magnitude higher. | Aug 25 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | Also, MySQL is good for Web apps. Microsoft /hates/ those. And they hate Microsoft. : - ) That's why they would fork. | Aug 25 21:42 |
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| twitter | The M$ people have claimed all along that Sun and IBM not free software or their obsolete business model are the cause of their problems. | Aug 25 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | Really? | Aug 25 21:43 |
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| trmanco | yep you are right | Aug 25 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | Well, Ballmer said Linux is the #1 threat. | Aug 25 21:43 |
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| twitter | Their disruptive activities on websites tell a different story. | Aug 25 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | IBM is no longer enemy numero uno. | Aug 25 21:44 |
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| twitter | Yes, but they pretend they can defeat it if they nail a few companies. | Aug 25 21:44 |
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| trmanco | he also said that Linux was like a cancer | Aug 25 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | Ozzie later said that FOSS is a greater threat than Google. | Aug 25 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: the world would be a better place if Ballmer got a little Linux. | Aug 25 21:44 |
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| trmanco | I little, Give him a full dose | Aug 25 21:45 |
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| twitter | Their whole business model is based on big dumb company being a better programmer than the community. They have to pretend the success of GNU/Linux is due to IBM, Sun and others. | Aug 25 21:45 |
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| twitter | They said it at the SCO trial. | Aug 25 21:45 |
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| trmanco | maybe the little penguin would start putting some good sense into his brain | Aug 25 21:45 |
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| twitter | They say it when they attack OO | Aug 25 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | They brainwashd some people with this. | Aug 25 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | Asay tells me that too... | Aug 25 21:46 |
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| twitter | Asay? | Aug 25 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | That without the big corps, Linux would be nowhere. I guess he never heard of Debian. | Aug 25 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | Asay, yes... the man who hates Linux and loves Mac and 'open source' | Aug 25 21:46 |
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| twitter | Or wikipedia | Aug 25 21:46 |
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| twitter | or internet archive | Aug 25 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | Wikipedia has elites, just like Debian. They are like a virtual volunteer corp | Aug 25 21:47 |
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| twitter | When does Asay tell you these things? | Aug 25 21:47 |
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| twitter | Wikipedia, Debian and other projects are self organizing and use no force. | Aug 25 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | When he says shit about GNU/Linux and I mail him. He drinks the Kool-Aid. He thinks everything from Forbes is words to be carved in stone. | Aug 25 21:48 |
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| twitter | The reward comes from the task and the collective results. | Aug 25 21:48 |
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| twitter | Got a link to this Asay person? | Aug 25 21:48 |
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| twitter | Forbes, ha ha. | Aug 25 21:48 |
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| twitter | It's kind of like Playboy. | Aug 25 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | But... butt... Microsoft is 'king of computing' | Aug 25 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | Over 90% of all computers (*cough cough* Desktop? What source? Net Apps?) | Aug 25 21:49 |
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| twitter | Where does this joker write that you run into it and feel compelled to ask him his opinions? | Aug 25 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | Forbes is like Hustler, only for 'adulter' adults with more money than potence. | Aug 25 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | He writes for CNET that's the thing. | Aug 25 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | It's a Microsoft media portal, owned by Paul Allen (Micfrosoft co-founder). They do some Mac too and it reaches news feeds, so it annoys me when Asay repeats the Big Lie he reads.. | Aug 25 21:51 |
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| twitter | Broadcast has been very bad for democracy. The internet is starting to restore balance and decentralize power built up over a century. That is why we are headed to a police state. | Aug 25 21:51 |
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| twitter | CNET should just be another web site. | Aug 25 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, they suffer | Aug 25 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | Sacked 10% of the staff recently. | Aug 25 21:53 |
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| twitter | Yet there's more internet news than ever. | Aug 25 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | Ziff Davis? Gone. Bankrupt. Some popular magazine quit paper and now prostitute themselves with Microsoft ads on Linux content. | Aug 25 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | I used to write for Jupitermedia, but not anymore because of those Microsoft ads I can't stand. | Aug 25 21:54 |
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| twitter | It's taking time for people to find new sources of news and entertainment but they are doing it. | Aug 25 21:55 |
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| twitter | Telco and broadcasters are doing everything they can to stop it. | Aug 25 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | Democratization and decommoditisation of knowledge and information. Reports are shared among peers/commons, not producers (few elites) and 'consumers) | Aug 25 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | RMS said years ago that people should drop media as a source and just subscribe to blobs they can trust. | Aug 25 21:56 |
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| twitter | He's right. | Aug 25 21:56 |
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| twitter | again. | Aug 25 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | Well, he said this in 2005 at the latest. | Aug 25 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | Right not I just write a lot in my own blogs. I can't stand working for editors who chop off bits that are 'too' critical of a monopoly abusers, DESPITE court evidence supporting what I write. | Aug 25 21:57 |
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| twitter | Editors that don't provide truth ruin their credibility. | Aug 25 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | Here's how it works. At the top you have some Murdoch or investor like Gates and below you have some obedient editors ('yes men') shooting down things they don't like. That's mainstream media for ya! Walla! | Aug 25 21:59 |
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| twitter | They don't give you enough time or the tools to research either, do they? | Aug 25 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | What do you mean? Please elaborate. | Aug 25 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | Travel and all? | Aug 25 22:01 |
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| twitter | This was my general impression back when I took a journalism class. | Aug 25 22:01 |
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| twitter | the motto was "desperate for type" | Aug 25 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | These days, journalists sit on an armchair and read what other journalists write, then repeat them (and the corporate-funded PR people, e.g. Gartner). | Aug 25 22:01 |
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| _Doug | Well yea .. tel me something I don't know .. | Aug 25 22:02 |
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| twitter | Editors want column inches. That gives the reporter time only for the most superficial of research. | Aug 25 22:02 |
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| twitter | They also thought that the average person only had 15 minutes a day for news. | Aug 25 22:03 |
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| _Doug | The 'news' is written by some PR department and then distributed .. editors like this, as it saves them from having to type .. :) | Aug 25 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, "just send me E-mails" attitude. | Aug 25 22:03 |
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| _Doug | Bit it's the same 'news' all day, on al lthe channels, the exact same news, only spoken by different heads .. :) | Aug 25 22:04 |
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| twitter | Higher quality blogs prove that average was only there due to the poor quality "news" that was offered. | Aug 25 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | The smart ones read many blogs. | Aug 25 22:04 |
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| twitter | Yes, things are changing. | Aug 25 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | Katherine Noyes. | Aug 25 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | ECT | Aug 25 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | She published some good article about Linux yesterday. | Aug 25 22:04 |
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| _Doug | Trouble the Media is producing its own pretend blogs .. | Aug 25 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | That said, I was warned that ECT stole Linux Insider from someone else. That's when it started with the Enderle and Didiot FUD. | Aug 25 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | They also give room for Gartenberg (Microsoft shills and former formal evangelist for Microsoft), Murphy and other such stooges) | Aug 25 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: they don't have the capacity to drown out the rest. | Aug 25 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Jack is hardly noticed. | Aug 25 22:06 |
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| _Doug | But it does serve to pollute the record and yes there are groups of bloggers hired to keep forums on msg .. | Aug 25 22:07 |
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| twitter | It also screws up search engines. | Aug 25 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | Well, Jack /does/ make a front pages with an attack on Slashdot and those who read it. | Aug 25 22:07 |
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| twitter | Look for "Vista failure" and you find a bunch of Wintel crap. | Aug 25 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: yes, to an extent. As long as Microsoft is not the gateway (Google is), its known mischiefs of manipulating search results, i.e. information, won't last. | Aug 25 22:08 |
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| _Doug | I can't be bothered even mentioning <nul> | Aug 25 22:08 |
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| twitter | All they had to do was publish a few articles with the term in it and boom, those articles took over. | Aug 25 22:09 |
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| twitter | This can be done for any term. | Aug 25 22:09 |
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| twitter | Before they did that the Vista Failure Log was one of the top results. | Aug 25 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | BN.com has strong presence, but the problem is that things on Google News take precedence, I think. | Aug 25 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | Google is also said to be gaming the SERPs a bit. I once (or twice) wrote about how they allegedly used it against ODF. One who reported this to me said it could be former Microsoft employees gaming Google from inside or outside. | Aug 25 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | I can find this if you are interested. | Aug 25 22:12 |
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| twitter | hey, it's been a while "Vista failure log" digs up this http://www.microsplot.com/blog/2008... | Aug 25 22:12 |
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| twitter | He he, the dude found the "Oh the monopoly" picture. :) | Aug 25 22:13 |
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| twitter | I think I've seen something you wrote about that, a M$ mole or two at Google. | Aug 25 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | I;ve just subscribed to that blog. | Aug 25 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | Nice Firefox pic in the front page BTW. | Aug 25 22:15 |
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| twitter | It's hard to believe algorithmic tuning could be as effective as the simple crap flood that the Wintel people and old media unleashes every day. | Aug 25 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | Well, the 'Microsoft' feed on Google News is very busy. | Aug 25 22:17 |
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| _Doug | So people try and game Google results .. ? | Aug 25 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | Companies. | Aug 25 22:30 |
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| _Doug | Yea, takes time and effort .. | Aug 25 22:33 |
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| _Doug | byeee .. | Aug 25 22:46 |
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| twitter | Hmmm, this may be a primary benefit of Munchkin activity. They can fill up blogs with links back to Wintel press. That will game Google. | Aug 25 22:46 |
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| twitter | Added that list of 100 reactions to the Vista Failure Log http://slashdot.org/~twitter/jo... | Aug 25 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I'm going to link to it tomorrow. Never seen it before. :-S | Aug 25 22:47 |
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| twitter | and the Vista Consensus opinion article http://slashdot.org/~twitt... | Aug 25 22:47 |
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| twitter | It's very good. Hundreds of articles all arranged by Vista reaction. | Aug 25 22:48 |
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| twitter | Having them all in one place shows the magnitude of Vista's rejection. | Aug 25 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | Hey. It rhymed. | Aug 25 22:49 |
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| *[H]omer is away: sleep beer sleep beer sleep | Aug 25 22:52 |
| twitter | 911 and Chomsky. Good bedtime movies. | Aug 25 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, but not suitable for BN. I'll just stick to DTP | Aug 25 22:55 |
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| twitter | that's true | Aug 25 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | It's also unavailable in a free format like Ogg. Some readers don't like it. | Aug 25 23:02 |
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| twitter | I saw a video of Chomsky denying Republican 911 conspiracy theories on the basis of plausibility. He did not think it was possible to coordinate without being caught. | Aug 25 23:03 |
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| twitter | I prefer theora myself. I think there is free software available for mp4, it just can't be distributed in crazy places like the US. | Aug 25 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | I just posted a Helois video. :-) Latest links, posted seconds ago | Aug 25 23:07 |
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| twitter | If you come across media in a crappy format, try ffmpeg2theora | Aug 25 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know, but it takes me time. | Aug 25 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | Copytights are sometimes an issue as well. | Aug 25 23:09 |
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| twitter | yeah, but then you can't host it in any format. | Aug 25 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | Like this one at the bottom (it has a nice song attached to it).. [wait... can't get to it] | Aug 25 23:11 |
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| twitter | Hmmm, that Chompsky video. Does it have more than a still frame and audio or does my player suck? | Aug 25 23:12 |
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| twitter | Rise of the police state works. | Aug 25 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not sure which URL. Post it here. | Aug 25 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | I'll post this one later: http://www.linux-foundation.org/we... )(might be good for failurelog) | Aug 25 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | Here's the video I was going to mention. I have many promotional ones on BN | Aug 25 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer made it BTW | Aug 25 23:16 |
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| twitter | might me, going to look | Aug 25 23:17 |
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| twitter | Steve Ballmer says they should have used Chris Farley instead of Jerry. | Aug 25 23:27 |
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| twitter | He's got the hots for Dana Plato too. | Aug 25 23:27 |
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| twitter | I can imagine a few really funny not used Mojave clips. Bad flashbacks to lost data and BSoD from previous M$ OS. Putting your life into Vista is probably worse than drinking crap coffee | Aug 25 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | Putting you life in it is one thing. Getting it outta there is another. | Aug 25 23:32 |
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| twitter | exactly | Aug 25 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | It's not /versions/ that made Windows more profitable. It's the lock-in. Just watch what they did to WP (WordPerfect, not WordPress). Lockin, lockin, lockin, at all costs. Bribe, bribe, bribe, no matter the consequences. Slime, slime, slime; when accused of a smear campaign, call them "paranoids". | Aug 25 23:34 |
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| twitter | that's the SLOG | Aug 25 23:35 |
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| schestowitz | Slime, not slog!! :-) | Aug 25 23:40 |
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Comments
Dan O'Brian
2008-08-27 00:21:09
You might want to check the following link I discovered while reading slashdot earlier:
http://slashdot.org/~willyhill/journal/205317
It's your friend twitter who is trying to game the moderation system on Slashdot by creating at least 10 known accounts. More than likely, he gets modded down because people have figured out his game and don't approve.
A quick google search also turns up this link to your irc channel logs:
That log is from http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/11/irc-log-10082008/
Then there's also:
where twitter admits to having multiple accounts.
Isn't this all a bit hypocritical? Accuse people who disagree with you of gaming the Slashdot moderation system and here you guys are the ones who are actually guilty of it.