schestowitz | "We have strong indicators that http://schestowitz.com is written by a man (96%)." http://www.genderanalyzer.com/?url=sch... | Dec 05 00:05 |
schestowitz | "We think http://boycottnovell.com/ is written by a man (87%)." < http://www.genderanalyzer.com/?url... > | Dec 05 00:05 |
schestowitz | We have strong indicators that http://cnn.com is written by a man (100%). < http://www.genderanalyzer.com/?ur... > | Dec 05 00:06 |
schestowitz | It wants IP-convertible addresses, so it might cheap with a whois | Dec 05 00:07 |
schestowitz | EMC-Microsoft snuggle: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/04/mic... | Dec 05 00:11 |
schestowitz | PetoKraus was right. Bergy goes ballistic on Her Majesty... http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&... :-( | Dec 05 00:26 |
schestowitz | Hehe. "What a fucked up world... and I am supposed to trust the mainstream medicine?" < http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&am... >. Not if one trusts the government's recommendations that are the results of corruption: http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/netroo... | Dec 05 00:27 |
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schestowitz | http://www.johannes-eva.net/index.... | Dec 05 00:52 |
schestowitz | neighborlee_: Fedora 10 Live DVD is mono-laden | Dec 05 00:52 |
Omar871 | schestowitz: I can see that Michael B. Trausch has successfully twisted the entire subject into another one showing how much of geek-a-tron he is.. -_- | Dec 05 00:53 |
Omar871 | NOT | Dec 05 00:53 |
schestowitz | Omar871: I wouldn't bother with it | Dec 05 00:55 |
schestowitz | I corresponded with Michael before. He's one of the good guys... has a young family. I just hope he'll read the links I gave him. | Dec 05 00:55 |
Omar871 | schestowitz: lol. :D | Dec 05 00:55 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/N... << tied up by Microsoft | Dec 05 00:55 |
schestowitz | ASUS: "cirrently, we're tried up with Microsoft" | Dec 05 00:56 |
Omar871 | schestowitz: By the way, what do you think of my latest post? | Dec 05 00:56 |
schestowitz | Antitrust, where art thou? | Dec 05 00:56 |
schestowitz | It's nice. | Dec 05 00:56 |
Omar871 | Thanks. :) | Dec 05 00:56 |
schestowitz | I don't like posts that are afraid of criticism | Dec 05 00:56 |
schestowitz | Yours are right to the point | Dec 05 00:56 |
schestowitz | .I liked to it some days ago: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/... | Dec 05 00:57 |
Omar871 | Glad to hear that. Thanks. :) | Dec 05 00:57 |
neighborlee_ | schestowitz, actually its not, at least not tomboy, no fspot and nothing else..maybe some of the libs, but the apps arent there..I can prove it with screenshots if you want ;) | Dec 05 00:57 |
neighborlee_ | schestowitz, I dont know who's telling you otherwise, but they are not lucid ;) | Dec 05 00:57 |
schestowitz | Hold on. | Dec 05 00:57 |
schestowitz | <NZheretic> Just a quick note on how to remove Mono from the default DVD install ( with development ) of Fedora 10 ... | Dec 05 00:57 |
schestowitz | <NZheretic> rpm -e mono-addins mono-winforms mono-core mono-data mono-data-sqlite mono-extras mono-web tomboy gtk-sharp2 gnome-desktop-sharp ndesk-dbus ndesk-dbus-glib gmime-sharp gnome-sharp | Dec 05 00:57 |
schestowitz | <schestowitz> Hey | Dec 05 00:57 |
schestowitz | <MinceR> there goes the theory that fedora comes without mono :> | Dec 05 00:57 |
schestowitz | <schestowitz> The Live CD | Dec 05 00:57 |
schestowitz | <schestowitz> Not the Live DVD | Dec 05 00:57 |
schestowitz | <NZheretic> The Live CD does not have them, the DVD does. | Dec 05 00:57 |
neighborlee_ | correct possibly | Dec 05 00:58 |
neighborlee_ | BUT what he's not telling you | Dec 05 00:58 |
neighborlee_ | is | Dec 05 00:58 |
neighborlee_ | that the livecd is the recommended installer | Dec 05 00:58 |
Omar871 | Thank you for making famous Roy! You own man..! ;-) | Dec 05 00:58 |
neighborlee_ | and Im right about debian too..debian lenny installer , which installs gnome has no mono there,,, | Dec 05 00:59 |
neighborlee_ | nor the apps | Dec 05 00:59 |
neighborlee_ | I brought that up, to make it clear ubuntu is one of the 'hold outs' so far..along with mandriva. | Dec 05 01:00 |
neighborlee_ | http://fedoraproject.or... < see | Dec 05 01:01 |
neighborlee_ | coupled with the fact that moonlight isn't even allowed into fedora ( and moonlight requires mono now I think), I find it odd the dvd ( upgrade) option would include mono, yet the livecd not, since earlier v ersions of the livecd had mono. | Dec 05 01:03 |
schestowitz | Omar871: I'm on the RSS feed. If you post on the topic, I'll spread it. | Dec 05 01:03 |
schestowitz | Yes, the moonlight issue is convincing. | Dec 05 01:03 |
neighborlee_ | but we all know the supporters will do what they can to spin it their way , but I suspect most people install it eitgher by yum upgrade, or grab the livecd, which honeslty is a alot smaller download..( dvd is a whopping 3.4gb) ;) | Dec 05 01:05 |
neighborlee_ | honeslty im happy to see moonlight, nor ooXML taking ahold ;)) | Dec 05 01:06 |
neighborlee_ | sometimes I just used default when edting a document in say wordpad, but anymore I always make sure I use OO and odf for all my windows editing...;) | Dec 05 01:09 |
neighborlee_ | schestowitz, but anyway, how are things going roy | Dec 05 01:10 |
neighborlee_ | Omar871, how about you ;) | Dec 05 01:10 |
schestowitz | neighborlee_: I'm doing an important post now. | Dec 05 01:11 |
schestowitz | So I was distracted. | Dec 05 01:11 |
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neighborlee_ | schestowitz, no need ,,I get your busy alot ;)) | Dec 05 01:18 |
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Omar871 | neighborlee_: Everything's going well. Thanks. ;) | Dec 05 01:19 |
neighborlee_ | :) | Dec 05 01:19 |
schestowitz | You'll see the post in a moment. I proofread. | Dec 05 01:21 |
schestowitz | it's pretty big. | Dec 05 01:21 |
schestowitz | Na... I'll do it in the morning. Too tired... | Dec 05 01:23 |
neighborlee_ | heh | Dec 05 01:36 |
schestowitz | I'm still here. | Dec 05 01:37 |
neighborlee_ | OO has auto checking | Dec 05 01:37 |
schestowitz | I just need to watch it with a fresh mind. | Dec 05 01:37 |
schestowitz | It has weasel words in it. | Dec 05 01:37 |
neighborlee_ | ah | Dec 05 01:37 |
schestowitz | I can't have this published somewhere respectable. | Dec 05 01:37 |
schestowitz | autochecking of /what/? | Dec 05 01:37 |
neighborlee_ | well,,you said you were proofreading it | Dec 05 01:38 |
schestowitz | Yes, but not spelling | Dec 05 01:38 |
neighborlee_ | nvm you meant for content , not spelling ;) | Dec 05 01:38 |
schestowitz | And grammar would have flase positives. | Dec 05 01:38 |
schestowitz | There's no alternative to reading. | Dec 05 01:38 |
neighborlee_ | ok- ;) | Dec 05 01:38 |
Omar871 | schestowitz: oh, by the way, regarding the spelling and grammar faults in my post, I corrected a three or four hours ago. ;) | Dec 05 01:39 |
schestowitz | It's the task I hate the most | Dec 05 01:40 |
schestowitz | It adds nothing but a chance to get less nitpicking from the likes of AlexH | Dec 05 01:40 |
schestowitz | "Well, the post is fine, but you have a typo" | Dec 05 01:40 |
schestowitz | Or "you exaggerate a bit there" | Dec 05 01:40 |
Omar871 | schestowitz: That's AlexH who once told you that? | Dec 05 01:41 |
schestowitz | No. | Dec 05 01:42 |
schestowitz | But if people don't like something, they find non-factual things to use as ammunition against the message | Dec 05 01:42 |
schestowitz | Another technique is "shoot the messenger" (not the typos) | Dec 05 01:42 |
Omar871 | Yeah, that's true. | Dec 05 01:42 |
Omar871 | Especially when they got no proof to the point they're making, they tend to find any to attack you with if it's got nothing to do with the subject of the discussion. | Dec 05 01:44 |
schestowitz | Proofread is like cutting your toenails versus taking a shower or dressing up | Dec 05 01:44 |
neighborlee_ | schestowitz, if all one has to call their deeds in life is nitpicking someones spelling i'd think thats a life not many would be proud of ;) | Dec 05 01:48 |
schestowitz | neighborlee_: there are factual inaccuracies sometimes, but it's subjective in circumstances of interpretation. | Dec 05 01:50 |
neighborlee_ | schestowitz, I worry about my posting overall like anyone else does, but if all they have is a nickpick, then they have already lost. | Dec 05 01:50 |
neighborlee_ | schestowitz, right yes | Dec 05 01:51 |
schestowitz | Nickpick too | Dec 05 01:51 |
schestowitz | That would be eet | Dec 05 01:51 |
schestowitz | Picking different name to hide his identity | Dec 05 01:51 |
neighborlee_ | eet is the worst of them | Dec 05 01:51 |
schestowitz | He has proxies too | Dec 05 01:51 |
neighborlee_ | Jo is behind him alongside alex | Dec 05 01:51 |
schestowitz | He still uses them, but he's predictable. | Dec 05 01:51 |
schestowitz | Progressive chaps. | Dec 05 01:52 |
neighborlee_ | yes his posts are the most abusive overall | Dec 05 01:52 |
schestowitz | Let Linux just merge with Redmind. | Dec 05 01:52 |
schestowitz | *Redmond | Dec 05 01:52 |
neighborlee_ | yes wel | Dec 05 01:52 |
neighborlee_ | l | Dec 05 01:52 |
neighborlee_ | to me thats very KEY to who they are..most linux users do not have that in common with either of the 3 ;) | Dec 05 01:52 |
neighborlee_ | It's not just one thing or the other , its everything taken as a whole which paints trusting much of anything from MIcrosoft in ridiculously high suspicion and anyone not getting that doesn't get the value and responsibility foss has to its userbase ;) | Dec 05 01:54 |
schestowitz | I guess we attract this loud minority | Dec 05 01:57 |
schestowitz | Most readers never comment | Dec 05 01:57 |
schestowitz | There's a loud set of protesters. | Dec 05 01:57 |
schestowitz | Take today for example. Other than personal attacks we got about 200 comments (for about 30,000 pageviews). Almost all the comments are from hecklers that attack me or the message. | Dec 05 01:58 |
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PetoKraus | umm | Dec 05 02:57 |
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twitter | I wonder if you will qualify for a call from M$ as a site that needs IE 8 help. http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=vi... | Dec 05 03:26 |
twitter | I don't think so because they are only supposed to be calling on the hundreds of high traffic sites that "optimized" for older versions of IE. | Dec 05 03:27 |
twitter | "make your site work with our browser, please" how amazing. | Dec 05 03:27 |
twitter | The other day, you asked for an interpretation of the Vista EULA. I found one here http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/29/m... | Dec 05 03:29 |
twitter | Yes, it was worse than the XP EULA. | Dec 05 03:29 |
twitter | found here http://www.arachnoid.com/boycott/ | Dec 05 03:30 |
schestowitz | Someone leaked some juicy details out. :-) This shows how an actual voucher deal with Novell/Microsoft comes about: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/04... ( How Novell and Microsoft Cooperate Behind the Scenes ) | Dec 05 03:31 |
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schestowitz | Site is down. I wonder how long for... | Dec 05 08:59 |
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schestowitz | Cool! http://picasaweb.google.com/nidhin.sasi... They are using the banners I made. | Dec 05 09:02 |
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MinceR | hay | Dec 05 09:12 |
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schestowitz | Carlin's brilliant: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2UV... | Dec 05 10:49 |
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schestowitz | Protest photos (with BN graphics :-) ) http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/0... I keep my eye on Microsoft blogs in order to find how if they will try to misguide developers. There used to be an article with the healing "Microsoft seems to have hijacked Linux Asia" at http://www.ciol.com/content/develope... . This is something that repeats itself occasionally. | Dec 05 12:17 |
schestowitz | I've found a copy in the Web Archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20070205065517/ht... | Dec 05 12:17 |
schestowitz | "As far as making the source code available, we at MS strongly feel that | Dec 05 12:17 |
schestowitz | there is a need to protect intellectual property (IP) as it is the | Dec 05 12:17 |
schestowitz | economic incentive to create better solutions. However, we do not refute | Dec 05 12:17 |
schestowitz | the other school of thought, which is why we have created platforms like | Dec 05 12:17 |
schestowitz | Codeplex. Microsoft is a part of all standard bodies, and we actively | Dec 05 12:17 |
schestowitz | participate in creating open standards for our customers." | Dec 05 12:17 |
schestowitz | Like corrupting ISO officials? Intellectual monopolies? That's revolting. | Dec 05 12:18 |
schestowitz | It's the same old story (not the exception). | Dec 05 12:18 |
schestowitz | Warner Music Pitches Music Tax To Universities: You Pay, We Stop Suing < http://techdirt.com/articles/2008120... > | Dec 05 13:07 |
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Eruaran | I should have known being able to comment at Fort 25 is not open to Joe Public. | Dec 05 13:36 |
schestowitz | Did you try? | Dec 05 13:38 |
Eruaran | yes | Dec 05 13:38 |
schestowitz | They used to get the abuse they deserves there. | Dec 05 13:38 |
schestowitz | What happened when you tried? | Dec 05 13:38 |
schestowitz | *deserved | Dec 05 13:38 |
Eruaran | When I attempted to submit my comment | Dec 05 13:39 |
Eruaran | The page just reset | Dec 05 13:39 |
schestowitz | Ah, so it's only the ILLUSION that they are open to feedback. | Dec 05 13:39 |
Eruaran | yes | Dec 05 13:39 |
schestowitz | Was JS enabled? | Dec 05 13:39 |
Eruaran | yes | Dec 05 13:39 |
schestowitz | "Submit" button is the "illusion you have control" | Dec 05 13:39 |
schestowitz | Kind of like the tickbox for automatic updates in Windows. | Dec 05 13:40 |
Eruaran | I checked by reloading the story... it still had 0 comments. | Dec 05 13:40 |
schestowitz | Even when you refuse it, it ignores (overrides) the settings as though Microsoft owns your PC | Dec 05 13:40 |
schestowitz | Maybe it entered moderation | Dec 05 13:40 |
Eruaran | I don't think so | Dec 05 13:40 |
schestowitz | If it doesn't show up tomorrow, tell me and I'll post about it | Dec 05 13:41 |
Eruaran | k | Dec 05 13:41 |
schestowitz | It's typical of Microsof to ignore feedback | Dec 05 13:41 |
schestowitz | Many people know that if you mail them, it bounces, calling it "SPAM" | Dec 05 13:42 |
schestowitz | "Report bug" isn't even used by them | Dec 05 13:42 |
schestowitz | It's just for you to feel like you're helping fix it... | Dec 05 13:42 |
schestowitz | They sometimes collect stats and then just decide which bugs are worth bother with... can't be arsed to actually fix much as long as crime prevents ral competition. | Dec 05 13:43 |
schestowitz | Bruce Perens: "Crimes Microsoft Gets Away With - So Far ... News publications are cautious about making accusations, and because of that, some nasty acts of Microsoft are essentially being erased from the record. [...] | Microsoft convinced Baystar Capital to put $50 Million dollars into SCO's lawsuit against IBM and other Open Source users, and promised to "backstop" .." | Dec 05 13:45 |
schestowitz | "Baystar's investment if SCO lost money, according to this sworn testimony. But I'm told that one person's testimony, even sworn testimony, isn't proof." http://technocrat.net/no-cache/d... | Dec 05 13:45 |
Eruaran | I just added my KDE 4.1 Beta 1 source | Dec 05 13:45 |
Eruaran | The updater has neatly appeared in my systray | Dec 05 13:46 |
Eruaran | Time to take the plunge ! | Dec 05 13:46 |
Eruaran | And away she goes... | Dec 05 13:47 |
schestowitz | KDE 4.2 right? | Dec 05 13:47 |
Eruaran | yes | Dec 05 13:47 |
Eruaran | oh | Dec 05 13:47 |
Eruaran | yes, I meant 4.2 | Dec 05 13:47 |
schestowitz | I thought you did retro :-D | Dec 05 13:47 |
Eruaran | :P | Dec 05 13:47 |
schestowitz | LinuxToday is getting weird: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php... | Dec 05 13:48 |
Eruaran | Its coming down the pipe fairly fast, so I'll be restarting X soon | Dec 05 13:48 |
schestowitz | Carla adds so many items that have nothing to do with F/LOSS and GNU/Linux | Dec 05 13:48 |
schestowitz | Mostly hardware and security. Isn't that what people read /other/ sources for? | Dec 05 13:48 |
Eruaran | yes | Dec 05 13:48 |
Eruaran | maybe its just "filler" | Dec 05 13:49 |
schestowitz | I guess I could do politics in BN, but people have their /other/ sources for politics. It's not a one-stop all-you-can-eat buffet. | Dec 05 13:49 |
schestowitz | Here's the thing. | Dec 05 13:49 |
schestowitz | Even when she posts articles about H/W... | Dec 05 13:49 |
Eruaran | Though it is called "Linux today" | Dec 05 13:49 |
schestowitz | I need to dig and see if it's Linux-related (which typically it's not) | Dec 05 13:49 |
Eruaran | If she's going to cover hardware | Dec 05 13:50 |
Eruaran | She should do an article on which motherboard is best supported by Coreboot | Dec 05 13:50 |
Eruaran | And why being able to do a RAM dump when you shut down is good | Dec 05 13:50 |
Eruaran | I think this is the first time I've ever downloaded Beta1 of anything | Dec 05 13:56 |
schestowitz | Sun/Novell flamewar (ish) in the comments here: http://www.linux.com/feature/154364 | Dec 05 13:57 |
Eruaran | This is a classic Microsoft action | Dec 05 13:59 |
Eruaran | Divide your enemies | Dec 05 13:59 |
Eruaran | (Not that I'd call Novell an enemy to Microsoft) | Dec 05 13:59 |
Eruaran | It divides the community | Dec 05 13:59 |
schestowitz | Yes | Dec 05 14:00 |
schestowitz | Instead of OpenOffice fighting MSOffice now you have Novell fighting Sun and OpenOffice.org | Dec 05 14:00 |
schestowitz | In the same vein it has been said that Novell is now targeting Red Hat instead of Windows. | Dec 05 14:00 |
Eruaran | yep | Dec 05 14:01 |
schestowitz | For the record, Boycott Novell never devided. It points out place where the friction is seen. | Dec 05 14:01 |
schestowitz | We are too small the cause division. Sun, on the other hand, is pissed off. | Dec 05 14:01 |
Eruaran | Microsoft would be happy with something that echoes the Unix wars. | Dec 05 14:02 |
schestowitz | So regardless of what people say, what developers /DO/ is what counts. | Dec 05 14:02 |
schestowitz | *divides (big typo up there) | Dec 05 14:02 |
Eruaran | You know that wallpaper Microsoft has been using in Windows 7 that appeared first at their PDC ? | Dec 05 14:04 |
schestowitz | "Kristin Shoemaker [..] Joe "Zonker" Brockmeier makes the interesting observation on his "Community, Incorporated" blog that one of the reasons the Open Source Definition doesn't allow clauses restricting commercial use is that "commercial" is a slippery term to define, particularly on the web." | Dec 05 14:05 |
schestowitz | There's something there. http://ostatic.com/blog/creative-comm... | Dec 05 14:05 |
Eruaran | Its basically a ripoff of one Vladstudio did last year, in 2007. The Vladstudio version is better. | Dec 05 14:05 |
schestowitz | She covers a lot of OpenSUSE stuff and Zonker also is part of OStatic, so in essence, his presence there makes that site pro-OpenSUSE at times. | Dec 05 14:05 |
Eruaran | Its called "underwater" | Dec 05 14:05 |
schestowitz | Oh yeah... | Dec 05 14:06 |
schestowitz | Got a copy? | Dec 05 14:06 |
Eruaran | KDE 4.x with "glassified" theme + Vladstudio's "underwater" is pretty much the same looking desktop as Windows 7 | Dec 05 14:06 |
Eruaran | And pre-dates it | Dec 05 14:06 |
Eruaran | yes | Dec 05 14:06 |
Eruaran | http://www.eyesontutorials.com/images/Effects/Vla... | Dec 05 14:08 |
schestowitz | Haha. | Dec 05 14:09 |
Eruaran | Familiar eh ? | Dec 05 14:09 |
Eruaran | :P | Dec 05 14:09 |
Eruaran | Vlad did that in 2007 | Dec 05 14:09 |
schestowitz | Microsoft innova~1: "make it like... this" | Dec 05 14:09 |
schestowitz | They also copy Apple systematically. | Dec 05 14:10 |
schestowitz | Their whole company is based on stealing other people's ideas. | Dec 05 14:10 |
schestowitz | Sometimes settling in court and brushing away the truth. | Dec 05 14:10 |
Eruaran | Just use that wallpaper on your KDE 4.x desktop and set your Plasma theme to Glassified and voila... Windows 7. | Dec 05 14:10 |
schestowitz | No. | Dec 05 14:11 |
Eruaran | hehe | Dec 05 14:11 |
schestowitz | It's better than Vista 7 | Dec 05 14:11 |
Eruaran | It is actually | Dec 05 14:11 |
Eruaran | It looks better | Dec 05 14:11 |
schestowitz | It also runs more applications (with Wine), although it's arguable. | Dec 05 14:11 |
Eruaran | Vlad's version is better | Dec 05 14:11 |
Eruaran | Vlad makes great wallpapers | Dec 05 14:12 |
MinceR | it also has better hardware support than vista7 | Dec 05 14:13 |
Eruaran | And runs great on netbooks | Dec 05 14:13 |
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_doug | Yo .. wassup ? | Dec 05 14:32 |
schestowitz | New: KDE 4.1 review: http://www.whatpc.co.uk/personal-compu... | Dec 05 14:33 |
schestowitz | Hey, _doug | Dec 05 14:33 |
schestowitz | "The aforementioned Plasma feature now works without a hitch, and ‘Plasmoids’ (Plasma applets) can be added, removed, scaled and rotated at will. The taskbar has had many improvements too, and its width and position can now be adjusted. " | Dec 05 14:34 |
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_doug | hi there .. | Dec 05 14:36 |
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_doug | Why is this considered news ? | Dec 05 14:39 |
_doug | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?si... | Dec 05 14:39 |
_doug | '"AV-Comparatives, the Austrian team of experts dedicated to antivirus tests acknowledged as a reference point in the field' | Dec 05 14:39 |
schestowitz | It's not news.It's an ad | Dec 05 14:40 |
_doug | 'The best defence against unknown malware is to make an Operating System that don't get compromised by clicking on an URL or opening an email attachment ..' | Dec 05 14:40 |
schestowitz | Like the one for Zafara. | Dec 05 14:40 |
schestowitz | > CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD < (30day free trail) | Dec 05 14:40 |
schestowitz | *30-day FREE!!! Trial | Dec 05 14:40 |
schestowitz | The world's biggest thief wants money from the President: Bill Gates presses Obama on stimulus package, foreign aid < http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/03/bi... > | Dec 05 14:42 |
trmanco | :) | Dec 05 14:42 |
schestowitz | "He [Bill Gates] is divisive. He is manipulative. He is a user. He has taken much from me and the industry." --Gary Kildall | Dec 05 14:42 |
schestowitz | More money. | Dec 05 14:42 |
schestowitz | More money from Bill. | Dec 05 14:42 |
trmanco | I have to thank Gregory Shearman | Dec 05 14:42 |
schestowitz | For Bill too | Dec 05 14:42 |
trmanco | on usenet | Dec 05 14:42 |
schestowitz | What did he say? | Dec 05 14:42 |
trmanco | 1 sec | Dec 05 14:43 |
schestowitz | I'll do a quick post about it. | Dec 05 14:43 |
trmanco | I'll get you the lnk | Dec 05 14:43 |
schestowitz | _doug will be upset because I say the truth about Gates. :-) | Dec 05 14:43 |
trmanco | lol | Dec 05 14:43 |
schestowitz | _doug: diplomatic does not mean lying to the public | Dec 05 14:44 |
schestowitz | I'll probably get mail again for not being nice to the Vole executives. | Dec 05 14:44 |
trmanco | schestowitz, http://groups.google.com/group/com... | Dec 05 14:44 |
_doug | more H1 visas ? | Dec 05 14:45 |
trmanco | LOL | Dec 05 14:45 |
_doug | http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513... | Dec 05 14:46 |
trmanco | who would recommend HTML 4.01 againts XHTML 1.0 | Dec 05 14:46 |
trmanco | ... | Dec 05 14:46 |
trmanco | against* | Dec 05 14:46 |
_doug | Why are the US citizens required to bailout the rich ? | Dec 05 14:47 |
_doug | "Bill Gates .. immediately craft a wide-ranging stimulus package" | Dec 05 14:47 |
_doug | The richest 5% could bail out the US economy .. | Dec 05 14:48 |
_doug | H-1B == cheap foreign labor ... | Dec 05 14:50 |
_doug | "example of a Microsoft employee in China who was barred by the U.S. government from attending a meeting in the United States after she got married" | Dec 05 14:51 |
_doug | This is interesting, Schest, could you find out the details ? | Dec 05 14:52 |
schestowitz | _doug: no idea why | Dec 05 14:53 |
schestowitz | Good idea about the rich bailing out the ecnomy | Dec 05 14:53 |
_doug | Is it a made up story .. ? | Dec 05 14:54 |
schestowitz | It's more likely they'll move to Hawaii with their fortune when a a devastated US crashes and burns, having been squeezed for its last ounce by the rich | Dec 05 14:54 |
schestowitz | Here's a theory | Dec 05 14:54 |
schestowitz | 'Big' people give the illusion you must spend | Dec 05 14:54 |
schestowitz | .So you buy, bu, buy... they make lots of cash | Dec 05 14:54 |
schestowitz | The state absorbs the debt of 10 trillion | Dec 05 14:54 |
schestowitz | Then it blows up but the rich are prepared for this | Dec 05 14:55 |
schestowitz | Massive layoffs ensue and bailout is used to keep the big corps afloat | Dec 05 14:55 |
schestowitz | What about that story about a Chinese guy who dies while in custody because he had cancer? | Dec 05 14:56 |
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_doug | It's the consumers that are going to pay for the bailout, for decades. Massive tax and prices increase, lower wages and longer hours .. | Dec 05 14:56 |
schestowitz | He was an American citizen, but in the nation of "War on terror" he was seen as a suspect without need for any evidence. I could find the story. HUGELY shcoking. | Dec 05 14:56 |
_doug | dies in custody ? | Dec 05 14:56 |
schestowitz | custody... yes... well, in border control, then locked up | Dec 05 14:57 |
schestowitz | For no reason... he has his wife and kids in the US (well, /had/ because they let him die) | Dec 05 14:57 |
schestowitz | I think that's it. | Dec 05 14:58 |
schestowitz | Hold on, I'm reading it. http://realcostofprisons.org/blog/archive... | Dec 05 14:58 |
schestowitz | 'Earlier this month, a thirty-four-year-old Chinese computer engineer, Hiu Lui Ng, who overstayed his visa, died in a Rhode Island immigration detention center. He had cancer in his liver, lung and bones, and a fractured spine. Despite repeated complaints of severe pain, Mr. Ng was refused independent medical evaluation by immigration officials. Before Mr. Ng died on August 6th, he told his sister that the nurses at the Donald W. W | Dec 05 14:59 |
schestowitz | yatt Detention Center in Rhode Island had told him to “stop faking” his illness.' | Dec 05 14:59 |
schestowitz | Another recent one: http://www.beranger.org/index.php?page=diary... "For some details: CNN: 'Sister Green,' who died on hospital floor, was mother of six. " | Dec 05 15:00 |
schestowitz | "AlterNet: Woman Convulses and Dies, Ignored, in Waiting Room of New York City Hospital — €«A woman who had waited nearly 24 hours to be seen in a Brooklyn public hospital collapsed, fell face-down on the floor, convulsed and for nearly an hour — while several hospital staff members looked at her and one staff member even prodded her with her foot — received no aid. " | Dec 05 15:01 |
schestowitz | "Washington Post: Firings and Dismay After Woman's Death at Hospital — €«"I can't explain what happened there," the mayor said earlier this week. "Does it say anything about our society? 'I hope not' is the basic answer."€»" | Dec 05 15:01 |
schestowitz | Hmmm.......... new one: Prisoner Escapes by Mailing Himself Out of Jail < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2... > | Dec 05 15:03 |
_doug | in a "psychiatric" hospital .. people who work in them are known as low rent profesionals. To stupid to be real doctors, and too lazy to get a real job .. | Dec 05 15:04 |
_doug | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9lKUwBCIBzA | Dec 05 15:05 |
_doug | What the dumbass security guard .. | Dec 05 15:05 |
schestowitz | He took it easy | Dec 05 15:06 |
schestowitz | It's not his job /sarcasm | Dec 05 15:06 |
_doug | I seen the same thing in the street, a woman collapses and everyone walks past .. | Dec 05 15:07 |
_doug | IBM Launches Microsoft-Free Linux PCs .. | Dec 05 15:09 |
_doug | http://www.informationweek.com/shar... | Dec 05 15:09 |
_doug | "IBM teamed up with Canonical and Virtual Bridges to create the offering" | Dec 05 15:09 |
_doug | Open Source versus commercial software .. | Dec 05 15:12 |
_doug | http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2008/12/05/2... | Dec 05 15:12 |
_doug | BBC and the fake, fake Nintendo story .. | Dec 05 15:14 |
_doug | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7766708.stm | Dec 05 15:14 |
schestowitz | Yes, IBM.. | Dec 05 15:14 |
schestowitz | Another master | Dec 05 15:14 |
schestowitz | Like Apple. | Dec 05 15:14 |
schestowitz | They should offer Free software | Dec 05 15:14 |
_doug | Is it to do with the next version being region locked, and the current one isn't ? | Dec 05 15:15 |
_doug | http://www.newstin.co.uk/related.a?edi... | Dec 05 15:16 |
_doug | "Nintendo DSi games to be region-locked" | Dec 05 15:17 |
_doug | '"Buy from a reputable or regulated site, and if purchasing from outside the UK or a new website research the site, check all the facts before you buy," said Pamela Rogers, HMRC's head of intellectual property rights.' | Dec 05 15:19 |
_doug | Schest: I didn't know HMRC required a head of intellectual property. Since when did HMRC become an arm of big business ? | Dec 05 15:20 |
twitter | There's lots of IBM, Vista free, news today. | Dec 05 15:21 |
twitter | Stuff about using your existing PCs as Ubuntu thin clients. Bwa ha ha ha ha. | Dec 05 15:21 |
schestowitz | I mentioned that Computer Weekly article days ago. | Dec 05 15:21 |
_doug | gtg .. | Dec 05 15:22 |
schestowitz | It repeats an article and then appends to it some links to Microsoft/Partner Group FUD | Dec 05 15:22 |
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twitter | WSJ and others are running much less FUDed versions. | Dec 05 15:22 |
schestowitz | I hardly read them | Dec 05 15:23 |
schestowitz | Scale does not necessarily make reliability | Dec 05 15:23 |
schestowitz | It sometimes makes obedience. | Dec 05 15:23 |
schestowitz | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3cce... | Dec 05 15:23 |
twitter | When you compare the articles, the FUD evaporates but each one has at least on piece of crap in it. | Dec 05 15:23 |
schestowitz | WSJ helps Intel's denials of crime | Dec 05 15:24 |
schestowitz | 3 mins ago I wrote about W-E: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/05/wag... (got to love the picture) | Dec 05 15:25 |
twitter | True, that's why a nugget of truth from them is worth pointing at. Good news from a hostile source is nice. | Dec 05 15:25 |
schestowitz | At the top of each elite publication sits a rich man like Murdock | Dec 05 15:26 |
schestowitz | *Murdoch (not Ian :-) ) | Dec 05 15:26 |
schestowitz | Such rich people have vested interest in the status quo, so they rarely challenge the system or bring change with their publication. They police conformance and obedience. | Dec 05 15:27 |
twitter | I took a journalism class once, so I know a little about how easy it is for reporters to be manipulated and in the dark. | Dec 05 15:29 |
schestowitz | Yuck: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1... Lobbyings. They should cuff them, not ask for their advice. They bring legalised corruption from the US through multi-nationals... to the EU | Dec 05 15:29 |
schestowitz | "Peter Fleischer"... | Dec 05 15:29 |
schestowitz | So tell us, Peter, what do you do for a living? | Dec 05 15:30 |
schestowitz | Well, well... | Dec 05 15:30 |
schestowitz | "I change the law to screw the people and help Google, which pays me to corrupt politicians" | Dec 05 15:30 |
twitter | Just the same, I thought the IBM effort was good news. Pushing out M$ with GNU/Linux is always good. | Dec 05 15:30 |
schestowitz | They should cap off the Lotus thing | Dec 05 15:31 |
schestowitz | It's proprietary JUNK. | Dec 05 15:31 |
twitter | Why junk it when they could liberated it? | Dec 05 15:31 |
twitter | liberate | Dec 05 15:32 |
schestowitz | There is Free software they should market with those PCs. We don't need BIG blue back to "master" status. Just watch the abuses of Apple. | Dec 05 15:32 |
schestowitz | New abuse from Apple: | Dec 05 15:32 |
schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/... | Dec 05 15:32 |
schestowitz | "Sam Odio, operator of bluwiki, did what Jobs' Mob demanded only because he said he lacked the money to take on the fruit-themed toymaker. He told AP that, when a lawyer calls you up and implicitly threatens litigation that would bankrupt your little project, you obviously have no choice but to comply." | Dec 05 15:32 |
schestowitz | RMS is right. | Dec 05 15:32 |
schestowitz | Our target must not be just Microsoft although Microsoft is a top leader in crimes against programmers and users | Dec 05 15:32 |
twitter | The target is freedom. IBM's solution has more of that than M$. | Dec 05 15:33 |
schestowitz | Microsoft hires Yahoo! search boss < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/05... > | Dec 05 15:33 |
schestowitz | "Buying the company person by person" | Dec 05 15:34 |
schestowitz | Agitate and destory | Dec 05 15:34 |
schestowitz | "Before joining Yahoo! Lu was a researcher for IBM - he holds 20 US patents." | Dec 05 15:34 |
schestowitz | Tell Billg. He'll be salivating... patents!! | Dec 05 15:34 |
twitter | Cooperation between industry and regulation has an inherent paradox - only industry people really know how industry works. | Dec 05 15:35 |
schestowitz | And others come from Industry | Dec 05 15:35 |
schestowitz | Which means they are corruptible, with duties to former employers | Dec 05 15:35 |
schestowitz | Just watch what happened to DOJ... Brothel is what it is. | Dec 05 15:36 |
schestowitz | An army of cronies pretending to be hawks of justice. | Dec 05 15:36 |
twitter | You want people who know what's going on, but you also want people to look after the public interest. DOJ == Corruption. | Dec 05 15:36 |
schestowitz | We should let robots become our leaders. :) | Dec 05 15:36 |
twitter | Only if I can program the robots. | Dec 05 15:37 |
schestowitz | Program them using code everyone can view and let them make decision based on this code everyone is happy with. | Dec 05 15:37 |
schestowitz | Yesterday: http://techdirt.com/articles/... ( DOJ Was Three Hours From Suing Google For Antitrust Violations ) | Dec 05 15:37 |
twitter | If I make the compiler, I can slip thing in on you. | Dec 05 15:37 |
schestowitz | IOW, Microsoft cronies threatened to sue Google if it didn't let Microsoft just destroy Yahoo! (and then Google) | Dec 05 15:37 |
schestowitz | American politics makes me stick to the stomach and the UK is almost as bad. | Dec 05 15:38 |
twitter | Yes, that's big time corruption. The DOJ guy who did it resigned as soon as Google gave up. | Dec 05 15:38 |
schestowitz | At least here there is choice at the elections. In the US it's always the same party that wins: the corporation. | Dec 05 15:38 |
schestowitz | Yes | Dec 05 15:38 |
schestowitz | He quit | Dec 05 15:38 |
schestowitz | Maybe he was under pressure, but I don't know. | Dec 05 15:39 |
twitter | took his money and ran | Dec 05 15:39 |
schestowitz | I don't believe a reason was given | Dec 05 15:39 |
schestowitz | There was another guy who Pj thought was the cronie responsible. I wrote about it in BN. Let me check | Dec 05 15:39 |
schestowitz | I can't remember his name.. | Dec 05 15:39 |
schestowitz | Still looking... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/1... | Dec 05 15:41 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/14/... "Google is holding secret negotiations with the US Department of Justice to head off a full investigation into its ad-sharing deal with Yahoo!" | Dec 05 15:42 |
schestowitz | Still can't find it. | Dec 05 15:42 |
schestowitz | “Did you know that there are more than 34,750 registered lobbyists in Washington, D.C., for just 435 representatives and 100 senators? That’s 64 lobbyists for each congressperson.” –CIO.com | Dec 05 15:42 |
schestowitz | I give up | Dec 05 15:43 |
schestowitz | Oh, wait.. maybe ralph something. | Dec 05 15:43 |
twitter | Journalists and jail, http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?s... | Dec 05 15:45 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/09/... | Dec 05 15:45 |
schestowitz | This one is a good letter < http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/01/an... >, but anyway, I can't remember the man's name. PJ wrote that he might be a Microsoft croniman... not in these words. | Dec 05 15:46 |
schestowitz | Oh wait.. | Dec 05 15:46 |
schestowitz | I can find it cause I mailed her about it.. | Dec 05 15:46 |
schestowitz | No, can't find it. | Dec 05 15:49 |
twitter | Wow, check out this firehose spammer. http://slashdot.org/~brothke | Dec 05 15:58 |
twitter | he's been submitting pure junk to clog the firehose for months. | Dec 05 15:58 |
schestowitz | Digg used to have spammers as well. | Dec 05 15:59 |
schestowitz | They were like motors of junk... typically from India | Dec 05 15:59 |
schestowitz | Their profiles made for front page for laughs | Dec 05 15:59 |
twitter | This one is so obvious. Big huge html code cut and paste mixed with crap text. | Dec 05 15:59 |
schestowitz | But this is just spam | Dec 05 16:00 |
schestowitz | It's not just poison to ruin the site's experience. | Dec 05 16:00 |
twitter | This guy is pure poison. | Dec 05 16:00 |
schestowitz | "The parallel is a good one: just as the "war" on drugs is a total failure - putting millions needlessly in jail, costing billions, and succeeding only in boosting criminal activity - so a "war" on file sharing will be utterly disproportionate, and utterly futile." http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/12/war-on-... | Dec 05 16:02 |
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twitter | It's easier to do what RMS does, point out how copyright warriors harm society and then make them justify their crappy laws. | Dec 05 16:06 |
schestowitz | NOVL news (watch logo at the bottom): http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/provider... | Dec 05 16:09 |
schestowitz | Novell is still a loser: "Novell Announces 4Q Loss" < http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/... > | Dec 05 16:10 |
schestowitz | Novell: "No, no... we're doing very well with Microsoft... we're still losing lots of money." | Dec 05 16:11 |
twitter | and netware clients. | Dec 05 16:13 |
twitter | I wonder why the tech press is reporting the IBM deal today. IBM announced it back in January. http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pre... | Dec 05 16:14 |
twitter | Must be a FUD attack. | Dec 05 16:15 |
schestowitz | The O'Gara shill is resposting articles now. | Dec 05 16:15 |
twitter | The kind M$ brews for months. | Dec 05 16:15 |
schestowitz | It's not enough for her to do anti-Red Hat articles. | Dec 05 16:15 |
schestowitz | Now she's reposting some | Dec 05 16:15 |
schestowitz | Because Red Hat was upgraded and NOVL announced losses... whatever... | Dec 05 16:15 |
twitter | She must be trying to get the readership numbers up. | Dec 05 16:16 |
twitter | I saw a page listing her articles and most had readership under 200. | Dec 05 16:16 |
twitter | 200 page views..... sad. | Dec 05 16:16 |
schestowitz | The press is SO stupid | Dec 05 16:16 |
schestowitz | They just echo Novell PE | Dec 05 16:17 |
schestowitz | PR | Dec 05 16:17 |
schestowitz | They make it seem as though Novell's results (losses) are OK news. | Dec 05 16:17 |
twitter | Journalists are kept too busy to think. | Dec 05 16:17 |
schestowitz | Sys-con does not think | Dec 05 16:17 |
twitter | If they do think, they get fired. | Dec 05 16:17 |
schestowitz | It reposts press releases | Dec 05 16:17 |
schestowitz | Sometimes you can see how they edit them slightly and then post | Dec 05 16:17 |
schestowitz | I gave examples in BN | Dec 05 16:17 |
schestowitz | It's against the law, I think. | Dec 05 16:18 |
twitter | Not in the US. | Dec 05 16:21 |
twitter | It's slimy and poor journalism but not strictly against the law. | Dec 05 16:21 |
schestowitz | MOG is also pimping PlaeSpin (NOVL) at the moment | Dec 05 16:22 |
schestowitz | Very fishy | Dec 05 16:22 |
schestowitz | Not surprising. | Dec 05 16:22 |
schestowitz | I think it's illegal in Japan (from what I've read somewhere) | Dec 05 16:23 |
Comments
jo Shields
2008-12-06 12:35:51
And this is a prime example of why BN will never be able to elevate itself past the level of "personal blog".
Proof is ignored, over and over. It's fairly normal conspiracy theorist behaviour. Outside the tech world, the current people behind it are the "birthers" insisting that all evidence of the US's president elect's birthplace is fake because it disagrees with their beliefs. BN and its groupies have everything in common with those people - in modus operandi, in refusal to believe evidence, and in labeling detractors with easy-to-ignore labels so they can carry on doing what they're doing.
In RoyWorld, EVERYTHING is a "nitpick". "That didn't happen. You made it up"... "NITPICKER!" "Erm, that guy's dead."... "NITPICKER!" "Here's evidence that reality is the opposite of your supposition"... "NITPICKER!"
It's a really poor defense, it really is. But your groupies believe it, so I suppose that's what matters.
Sometimes the messenger is wrong, and the messenger harms the message. If you had a coherent message (another BN problem), I might be able to agree with it, or even with your right to give it. But I'm still not sure what BN stands FOR (I know it stands AGAINST teh micro$haftz, but that's a different topic). I agree with some of the positions taken by rational voices against, say, Mono - but yours is not a rational voice, and your words leave no room for reasoned debate.
Former Florida attorney Jack Thompson is a prime example of how not all messengers are equal. He did more to harm movements against videogame violence than anyone else - essentially by being a complete dick constantly making things up, and ending up as the poster child for that message (allowing more well-reasoned, sane individuals to be ignored).
And that is precisely WHY you spend time writing verified, error-free text where you can defend every single word of it without the childish "NITPICKER!" reaction. Ever heard the words "quality, not quantity"?
If you get even the basics flat-out wrong, why should you be considered trustworthy enough for other topics? Crying wolf, methinks?