IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 12th, 2008 - Part 2

Dr. Roy Schestowitz

2008-12-13 12:13:35 UTC
Modified: 2008-12-13 12:13:35 UTC

schestowitz	The MSBBC also shows an image/video of "virus" that makes people think it's an animal or something. What a disgrace their tech coverage is. Everyone thinks so.	Dec 12 21:28
SubsonicB	And they want to turn internet into the next TV: (just see what happened with the wikipedia censorship)	Dec 12 21:33
schestowitz	I was just reading about it in the MSBBC.	Dec 12 21:33
SubsonicB	what makes me wonder	Dec 12 21:33
schestowitz	"Telstra, Australia's largest ISP, has said it will not join trials of the filters and others say they will only back a scaled-down system." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/techno...	Dec 12 21:33
schestowitz	Telstra is now a buddy of Microsoft, but..	Dec 12 21:33
SubsonicB	if it wasnt a site as well known as the wikipedia would this have been so well known?	Dec 12 21:34
schestowitz	Probably not.	Dec 12 21:34
schestowitz	Some are already 'filtered'	Dec 12 21:34
SubsonicB	How many more "transparent proxies" are they testing in order to impose censorship over the net	Dec 12 21:34
SubsonicB	that we dont even know	Dec 12 21:34
schestowitz	filtered -> censored -> 'managed' -> protected -> not approved	Dec 12 21:35
schestowitz	Words matter a lot	Dec 12 21:35
schestowitz	security is always a good excuse. "We 'protect' the surfer"	Dec 12 21:35
SubsonicB	There is a recent piece of news that people spend more time on the internet than watching TV now	Dec 12 21:35
schestowitz	Usually we "protect" (the children) from <terrorism is always an eye opener>	Dec 12 21:36
SubsonicB	So now they have to dominate the internet	Dec 12 21:36
schestowitz	Watch out for military brainwash in PC games and music videos	Dec 12 21:36
SubsonicB	politicians are already at it	Dec 12 21:36
schestowitz	YouTube traffic is up like 30%, IIRC	Dec 12 21:36
schestowitz	I posted this here the other day	Dec 12 21:36
schestowitz	It's out of my IRC buffer range now.	Dec 12 21:37
schestowitz	Do you know the song "Hero"?	Dec 12 21:37
SubsonicB	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1...	Dec 12 21:37
schestowitz	I think I saw this	Dec 12 21:38
SubsonicB	"Hero" not sure	Dec 12 21:38
schestowitz	The issue of controlling the Internet was first discussed when the medium was born	Dec 12 21:39
schestowitz	I learned this last week	Dec 12 21:39
SubsonicB	the problem is when the interests of politicians and big media companies (RIAA, etc) are aligned	Dec 12 21:39
schestowitz	Many years went by and people must stand to protect it. Even meshes are repressed because there is no cenralised control.	Dec 12 21:39
SubsonicB	RIAA wants to kill P2P, politicians want to kill free speech, privacy and anonimity	Dec 12 21:40
schestowitz	"Hero" = glamorization of war in my mind, although it's subtle.	Dec 12 21:40
schestowitz	'Sentimental' militarisation	Dec 12 21:40
SubsonicB	who's the singer/group?	Dec 12 21:40
schestowitz	Seevral	Dec 12 21:41
SubsonicB	nope	Dec 12 21:41
schestowitz	X factor drones, IIRC	Dec 12 21:41
schestowitz	They weave that in with photos from the invasion of Iraw	Dec 12 21:41
SubsonicB	well its very much the same with war films	Dec 12 21:42
schestowitz	The Army advertises on television as well, but to be fair, this has been going on for about 2 years in the channels that I watch	Dec 12 21:42
SubsonicB	propaganda	Dec 12 21:42
schestowitz	You can't complain to anyone	Dec 12 21:42
schestowitz	Pro-peace groups are marginalised	Dec 12 21:42
SubsonicB	yes	Dec 12 21:43
SubsonicB	just like students protesting against bolonia plans	Dec 12 21:44
schestowitz	Beranger Sucks! < http://www.junauza.com/2008/12/beran... >	Dec 12 21:44
SubsonicB	and look at Greece	Dec 12 21:44
schestowitz	SubsonicB: well, at lest they don't send tanks at em	Dec 12 21:44
schestowitz	[if you know what I mean]	Dec 12 21:44
schestowitz	http://osdir.com/ml/culture.religion.healer.mayapa...	Dec 12 21:45
schestowitz	"A few of Beranger’s readers are still hoping that his move is just temporary, but I think otherwise."	Dec 12 21:46
SubsonicB	Any Gnu/Linux advocate is quickly depicted as religious, extremist, fanatic, zealot, etc...	Dec 12 21:47
SubsonicB	...in the mainstream press anywway	Dec 12 21:48
schestowitz	Where?	Dec 12 21:49
SubsonicB	in general	Dec 12 21:49
schestowitz	Can a majority be called zealot?	Dec 12 21:49
schestowitz	Like... you know... you wouldn't find phrases like "Microsoft zealots" anywhere.	Dec 12 21:50
schestowitz	It's just like saying "American terrorist"	Dec 12 21:50
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SubsonicB	not sure if it is meaningful in english	Dec 12 21:50
schestowitz	You could say "Mugabe is a terrorist"	Dec 12 21:50
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schestowitz	No-one would raise a brow	Dec 12 21:50
SubsonicB	sure there can be Microsoft zealots	Dec 12 21:50
schestowitz	But if you apply yhe same assignment of character to someone in America, then you must explain	Dec 12 21:50
SubsonicB	Of course you are right	Dec 12 21:51
schestowitz	"Linux is a cancer"...	Dec 12 21:51
schestowitz	Or was it GPL...?	Dec 12 21:51
schestowitz	Either way, that's zeal.	Dec 12 21:51
SubsonicB	for me it is very curious how they manipulate the meanings of language	Dec 12 21:51
schestowitz	GPL has "no right to exist" because it's 'different'. EULA that treats customers like trash= good?	Dec 12 21:51
SubsonicB	very much with the marketing words that Microsoft tries to mix and change in order to confuse the public	Dec 12 21:51
schestowitz	"If thought can corrupt language, then language can also corrupt thought." --George Orwell	Dec 12 21:52
schestowitz	"Pirates, "remember?	Dec 12 21:52
SubsonicB	people is kept so ignorant	Dec 12 21:52
schestowitz	Pirates are not the hounds that sue ill people for their house.	Dec 12 21:52
SubsonicB	when I talk about Free software to people many of them don't believe me	Dec 12 21:52
schestowitz	It's the people who share some song by accident in some Win32 app	Dec 12 21:52
schestowitz	Free=cheap	Dec 12 21:53
SubsonicB	like the story of the teacher thinking a pupil was doing something illegal by distributing copies of linux among his classmates	Dec 12 21:53
schestowitz	People are taught this at school	Dec 12 21:53
SubsonicB	in the blog of helios	Dec 12 21:53
schestowitz	Microsoft assists new IPR curricium.	Dec 12 21:53
SubsonicB	yes, but Free is not just cheap in spanish	Dec 12 21:53
schestowitz	They teach tots that music is theft and you can get mommy and daddy in jail	Dec 12 21:53
schestowitz	No kiddding.	Dec 12 21:54
SubsonicB	you have "Libre" and "Gratis"	Dec 12 21:54
schestowitz	I called this Ballmer Youth.	Dec 12 21:54
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/2...	Dec 12 21:54
SubsonicB	Yes, the spanish RIAA (called SGAE) has disgusting campaigns on tv in which they equal sharing music to theft and crime	Dec 12 21:54
schestowitz	Yes, they do that too	Dec 12 21:54
schestowitz	I didn't see this here, but i read about the US propaganda from them	Dec 12 21:55
schestowitz	They own radio stattions, so this 10-second brainwash plug is cheap to them	Dec 12 21:55
SubsonicB	The funny think is that in spain it is in fact LEGAL to exchange music and movies through P2P as far as it is without any attempt of making money	Dec 12 21:55
schestowitz	Advertising it a one-trillion-dollar industry (so I read yesterday)	Dec 12 21:55
schestowitz	It's very wasteful. 20% of the budget goes into shaping people's perception, deviating things from normals.	Dec 12 21:56
schestowitz	Other countries rethink this too	Dec 12 21:56
SubsonicB	We all pay a "canon" (overprice tax) on CDs, DVDs, HDDs, computers, photocopiers, etc to compensate artists for copies	Dec 12 21:56
schestowitz	But I listen to CC-licensed tunes.	Dec 12 21:56
schestowitz	I don't want to feed MAFIAA in any way	Dec 12 21:56
SubsonicB	This is a HUGE source of revenue for SGAE (Spanish MAFIAA)	Dec 12 21:57
schestowitz	Those artists who go to MAFIAA will not even have their tuned listened to.... let alone paid for (with or without infringements)	Dec 12 21:57
SubsonicB	and has been endorsed by the government	Dec 12 21:57
schestowitz	They need to be encouraged to have the MAFIAA starved.	Dec 12 21:57
schestowitz	Lessig fights against this.	Dec 12 21:58
schestowitz	Byt he's one person with some followers	Dec 12 21:58
schestowitz	The majority is 'bought'.	Dec 12 21:58
SubsonicB	even public libraries have to pay a canon for lending books	Dec 12 21:58
schestowitz	I download books.	Dec 12 21:58
schestowitz	Byt public libraries are paid for by taxpayers	Dec 12 21:58
schestowitz	Another thing here is TV tax (I don't have a TV because of this.. I gave mine away). It means you pay Microsofgt and the Microsoft-corrupted BBC, among others.	Dec 12 21:59
SubsonicB	I think Lessig, PJ, Carlo Piana, RMS, Eben Moglen and some others (maybe Andy Updegrove) should team to fight against software patnets and copyright abuse	Dec 12 21:59
schestowitz	Not enough	Dec 12 22:00
schestowitz	Politicians are bought, not persuaded.	Dec 12 22:00
schestowitz	They are better off exposed for their corruption	Dec 12 22:01
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SubsonicB	yes, there is. But you know the thesis of the publishers (of books, disks, movies, software) is that every book/disc/movie that one can get for free (either downloaded or lent) is a sell they lost	Dec 12 22:01
schestowitz	I spend more time these days showing the rot in the system as much as suggest other solutions.	Dec 12 22:01
wispy	hello everyone!	Dec 12 22:01
schestowitz	Hey wispy	Dec 12 22:01
SubsonicB	which is utterly nonsense	Dec 12 22:01
wispy	roy, what's up? :D	Dec 12 22:01
SubsonicB	hello	Dec 12 22:01
wispy	hiya	Dec 12 22:01
schestowitz	Not much is up	Dec 12 22:01
schestowitz	Slow news day	Dec 12 22:01
wispy	lol i'm just studying for finals	Dec 12 22:02
schestowitz	Corruption in the United States of Advertising too	Dec 12 22:02
schestowitz	$50 billion+	Dec 12 22:02
schestowitz	(plus ripples effects to be realised)	Dec 12 22:02
wispy	white collar crime	Dec 12 22:02
wispy	nice mug, roy :)	Dec 12 22:02
wispy	mugshot	Dec 12 22:02
schestowitz	The Wall Street Casino(R) turns out to be a pen of pimps.	Dec 12 22:02
schestowitz	But they stole people's money only in the past year	Dec 12 22:02
schestowitz	Oh, that. Thanks.	Dec 12 22:03
wispy	hehe np :)	Dec 12 22:03
schestowitz	wispy: did you and your family suffer too from the corruption uv' 2008?	Dec 12 22:03
SubsonicB	they keep shoving people's money into the financial hole	Dec 12 22:04
wispy	not really since my dad is an engineer and has a very steady income stream	Dec 12 22:04
schestowitz	There's no escape	Dec 12 22:04
schestowitz	Many people's pensions and savings are tied to stocks/bonds too	Dec 12 22:04
wispy	that sucks :(	Dec 12 22:04
SubsonicB	i'l try to find a photo about advertising	Dec 12 22:04
schestowitz	It's a good thing my sister bought a house just a year ago. She would have lost the monety	Dec 12 22:04
SubsonicB	I would forbid the privatisation of entire sectors of the economy	Dec 12 22:05
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wispy	whew what a relief roy	Dec 12 22:05
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SubsonicB	health, education, social services and pensions, energy	Dec 12 22:05
SubsonicB	and fix the prices of housing	Dec 12 22:05
wispy	sounds cool	Dec 12 22:06
schestowitz	privatisation??? Was that proposed?	Dec 12 22:06
schestowitz	I mean, of the whole thing?	Dec 12 22:06
schestowitz	Just car makers... better than to sell it to the Chinese.	Dec 12 22:06
wispy	i just did a project on the big three	Dec 12 22:07
SubsonicB	They have been doing it for years	Dec 12 22:07
SubsonicB	they call it "liberlaization"	Dec 12 22:07
schestowitz	But then, what do I know? We're no economists (people who speak jargon and predict based on dice and inside information, i.e. fraud)	Dec 12 22:07
wispy	i had to talk about the innovations they were involved with, and japan is way ahead	Dec 12 22:07
schestowitz	LMAO @ "liberlaization"	Dec 12 22:08
wispy	roy, were you ever interested in a business degree?	Dec 12 22:08
SubsonicB	we know better because we dont have vested interests	Dec 12 22:08
schestowitz	Yes, like invading countries is "restoring democracy"	Dec 12 22:08
wispy	XD	Dec 12 22:08
schestowitz	Ir defending Christian values	Dec 12 22:08
SubsonicB	quite the same	Dec 12 22:08
schestowitz	Or "liberating the population that's 'oppressed'	Dec 12 22:08
SubsonicB	I recommend reading "The shock doctrine" by Naomi Klein	Dec 12 22:08
schestowitz	Wait until the US goes to save the 'poor' Chinese from that government that censors (like AT&T.. SHEESH)	Dec 12 22:09
schestowitz	wispy: no, busienss is not for me	Dec 12 22:09
SubsonicB	The Chinese area bout to screw the US	Dec 12 22:09
SubsonicB	are about	Dec 12 22:09
wispy	you seem very interested in it, roy. :)	Dec 12 22:09
wispy	you're smart all around, i guess	Dec 12 22:09
schestowitz	I think I heard of "The shock doctrine"	Dec 12 22:09
SubsonicB	its worth reading	Dec 12 22:10
schestowitz	Sheesh,, SubsonicB	Dec 12 22:10
schestowitz	You can't say that	Dec 12 22:10
SubsonicB	what	Dec 12 22:10
schestowitz	It incites panic	Dec 12 22:10
schestowitz	But a lot of the time you must say things the press cannot tell	Dec 12 22:10
SubsonicB	Everyone knows it	Dec 12 22:10
wispy	i heard of that, too	Dec 12 22:10
schestowitz	the control is done by editorial, selection or fear (for one's job, now in practicuals)	Dec 12 22:10
schestowitz	China has HEAPS of monet	Dec 12 22:11
schestowitz	China, not the Chinese :-)	Dec 12 22:11
schestowitz	It's not as though the wealth is distributed	Dec 12 22:11
SubsonicB	The Chinese have a lot of fiat-currency dollars, the dollar is devaluating, if the chinese sell their dollar reserves on the cheap all the financial house of cards will fall	Dec 12 22:11
schestowitz	In the China I think they have the communists aggregating much of this money(=power)	Dec 12 22:11
schestowitz	In the US it's so-called crook^H^H^H^H^H^Heroes who started imperialist companies.	Dec 12 22:11
SubsonicB	Thats the reason why the US went to Irak and now they wanted to go to Iran, because these countries wanted to sell the petron in euros	Dec 12 22:12
schestowitz	SubsonicB: that might happen soon	Dec 12 22:12
wispy	yes i heard they wanted to do that, subsonic, about the oil	Dec 12 22:12
schestowitz	Iran was threatened with war I think (implicit?) for recommending Euros	Dec 12 22:12
schestowitz	wispy beat me to it	Dec 12 22:12
SubsonicB	there is nothing sustaining the american economy and its currency except the fact that the dollar is the only currency that can buy crude oil	Dec 12 22:12
wispy	venezuela wants to do that too, i think	Dec 12 22:12
wispy	lol roy	Dec 12 22:12
SubsonicB	ok enough aboput geopolitics by now, guys	Dec 12 22:13
schestowitz	venezuela 'loves' the US. LOL	Dec 12 22:13
wispy	:)	Dec 12 22:13
schestowitz	Perhaps the US should have liberat^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hvenezuela earlier for compliance through puppets	Dec 12 22:13
schestowitz	The US has so far suppressed Cuba with an embargo, but didn't replace the leaders with puppets that take orders from DC	Dec 12 22:14
wispy	ha	Dec 12 22:14
schestowitz	Okay, back to subject	Dec 12 22:14
wispy	cuba is very involved with biotechnology	Dec 12 22:14
wispy	one of the best in the world	Dec 12 22:15
SubsonicB	The shock doctrine (the book I told you) shows how the US didexactly that in Latin America in the 70 and 80's	Dec 12 22:15
wispy	i did a paper on that	Dec 12 22:15
wispy	in 11th grade	Dec 12 22:15
SubsonicB	hehe	Dec 12 22:15
schestowitz	http://stopsoftwarepatents.eu/361000346840/	Dec 12 22:15
SubsonicB	It's on my email signature	Dec 12 22:16
wispy	thanks	Dec 12 22:16
schestowitz	Someone mailed me this	Dec 12 22:17
wispy	so roy what's up with the rms protest	Dec 12 22:17
schestowitz	It's months away	Dec 12 22:18
schestowitz	I'm not sure what he's up to	Dec 12 22:18
wispy	oh so he didn't tell you more about it	Dec 12 22:18
schestowitz	http://bangalore.citizenmatters.in/articles/view/67...	Dec 12 22:18
schestowitz	"Stallman to visit community computing centre" he's traveling	Dec 12 22:19
wispy	oh ok	Dec 12 22:19
wispy	hi logger_bot	Dec 12 22:20
wispy	:P	Dec 12 22:21
schestowitz	She's unmanned	Dec 12 22:22
schestowitz	logger_bot has not been touched for months	Dec 12 22:22
SubsonicB	what? logger_bot?	Dec 12 22:23
SubsonicB	has some word here activated carnivore?	Dec 12 22:23
schestowitz	Yes	Dec 12 22:23
wispy	hehe	Dec 12 22:24
SubsonicB	>-D	Dec 12 22:24
wispy	logger_bot is lonely :(	Dec 12 22:24
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_(FBI)	Dec 12 22:24
schestowitz	I had to look that up	Dec 12 22:24
SubsonicB	thats it!	Dec 12 22:24
schestowitz	wispy: better lonely than suffering a downtime	Dec 12 22:24
wispy	that's cute	Dec 12 22:25
schestowitz	had that happened, I'd need to go to work and reboot or seomthing.	Dec 12 22:25
wispy	lol	Dec 12 22:25
wispy	that's a lot of trouble	Dec 12 22:25
schestowitz	It happened in August when the hub died (physical error)	Dec 12 22:25
wispy	she's all better, i hope	Dec 12 22:26
schestowitz	Welsh Tories ask taxpayers to pick up iPod tab < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12... >	Dec 12 22:27
schestowitz	6000 more familiar withour a working parent: Contractors and managers hit in Alcatel-Lucent layoffs < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/12/alc... >	Dec 12 22:29
schestowitz	*families without	Dec 12 22:29
wispy	reminds me of the ipod tax in canada, kinda	Dec 12 22:29
wispy	you know what that is, roy?	Dec 12 22:30
schestowitz	Man trademarks ;-) emoticon < http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/12/... >	Dec 12 22:30
schestowitz	I trademark ;_) then	Dec 12 22:31
schestowitz	trademark-jacking! Take dat!	Dec 12 22:31
wispy	XD	Dec 12 22:31
schestowitz	ipod? No. What it this? Sounds like a toy	Dec 12 22:31
wispy	geez lol	Dec 12 22:31
wispy	haha	Dec 12 22:32
schestowitz	Tripod?	Dec 12 22:32
schestowitz	Tripod tax?	Dec 12 22:32
wispy	in canada to compensate for piracy, there's an ipod tax	Dec 12 22:32
wispy	on recordable media	Dec 12 22:32
wispy	crazy	Dec 12 22:32
schestowitz	Like if you photograph a tree or a car that you can't photograph in the US?	Dec 12 22:32
wispy	hehe	Dec 12 22:33
schestowitz	wispy: yes, I know about that.	Dec 12 22:33
schestowitz	Criminals by default	Dec 12 22:33
wispy	:(	Dec 12 22:33
wispy	mean	Dec 12 22:33
schestowitz	But no 'tax return'	Dec 12 22:33
schestowitz	Might as well tell people to copy illegally. They paid for it in advance.	Dec 12 22:33
wispy	yeah haha	Dec 12 22:33
schestowitz	if the RIAA comes knowing..	Dec 12 22:34
schestowitz	Tell them. I paid you before... you said I am a criminal, so I paid exta for my Ogg player	Dec 12 22:34
wispy	they probably don't know what .ogg is	Dec 12 22:34
wispy	lol	Dec 12 22:34
SubsonicB	in spain there is a tax to compensate for "piracy" on every device	Dec 12 22:35
wispy	that's not fair f	Dec 12 22:35
SubsonicB	that's it no "innocent until proved otherwise" anymore	Dec 12 22:35
wispy	so true	Dec 12 22:36
wispy	roy, have you tried the eee pc yet?	Dec 12 22:36
wispy	it's a cute little thing	Dec 12 22:36
schestowitz	wispy: it's good if they don't know what ogg is.	Dec 12 22:36
wispy	i want to...	Dec 12 22:36
SubsonicB	i pay the "piracy" tax everytime i burn a Linux distro	Dec 12 22:36
schestowitz	That'll keep it safe from the hounds.	Dec 12 22:36
wispy	yeah haha	Dec 12 22:36
schestowitz	The music I get is legal	Dec 12 22:36
wispy	jamendo is nice	Dec 12 22:37
SubsonicB	no music is illegal!	Dec 12 22:37
SubsonicB	notice how they manipulate the language to manipulate the mindsets!	Dec 12 22:37
*schestowitz listen to Al Fami: http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/al-...		Dec 12 22:37
wispy	i learned about that in honors sociology; people from different cultures have different mindsets because of language	Dec 12 22:38
schestowitz	I won't touch a Intel notebook. I'd buy one if I don't need to hand over money to critminals in the process.	Dec 12 22:38
wispy	oh i didn't know	Dec 12 22:39
wispy	intel = bad?	Dec 12 22:39
schestowitz	Yes	Dec 12 22:39
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/12/intel-ms-vs-go...	Dec 12 22:39
schestowitz	Maybe the MPAA/RIAA is worse	Dec 12 22:40
schestowitz	They control the media, so they control language	Dec 12 22:40
wispy	uh oh, sounds scary	Dec 12 22:40
wispy	thx for link	Dec 12 22:40
schestowitz	People learn their lang/vocabulary from TV	Dec 12 22:40
schestowitz	TV=MAFIAA	Dec 12 22:40
wispy	sad but true	Dec 12 22:41
wispy	i love to read	Dec 12 22:41
wispy	i don't even have a TV in my dorm	Dec 12 22:41
SubsonicB	its interesting how closely intertwined companies/media/lobbies are	Dec 12 22:41
SubsonicB	thats wise, wiskpy	Dec 12 22:41
wispy	i gave my tv to my sister to take to college	Dec 12 22:41
wispy	thanks!	Dec 12 22:41
SubsonicB	wispy	Dec 12 22:41
SubsonicB	i love to read	Dec 12 22:42
wispy	ms is tied to nbc	Dec 12 22:42
wispy	msnbc	Dec 12 22:42
wispy	cool!	Dec 12 22:42
SubsonicB	http://www.theyrule.net/2004/tr2.php	Dec 12 22:42
SubsonicB	more and more everything is in the hands of a bunch of companies	Dec 12 22:43
wispy	cool animation	Dec 12 22:43
schestowitz	UK Police Want Magic 'This Computer Is Used By A Criminal' Alert Software < http://techdirt.com/articles/20081211... >	Dec 12 22:43
SubsonicB	execs of these companies sit at the oards of many of them at the same time	Dec 12 22:43
schestowitz	Even the BBC got corruptied by companies, but ironically enough, taxpayers fund it	Dec 12 22:44
wispy	weird haha	Dec 12 22:44
schestowitz	It's like funding of propaganda by those who are brainwashed	Dec 12 22:44
schestowitz	Not unusual at all	Dec 12 22:44
schestowitz	Most products we buy include the price of adverts	Dec 12 22:44
wispy	sheep don't know it's happening	Dec 12 22:45
schestowitz	Which means we have lots of work done out there brainwashing us and /WE/ sponsor it	Dec 12 22:45
schestowitz	There's a lot ofg watse going into it	Dec 12 22:45
schestowitz	More interestingly, the government took lessons from marketing literature.	Dec 12 22:45
schestowitz	On how to change people's perception (.e.g. with images, words, phrases)	Dec 12 22:45
SubsonicB	mass control	Dec 12 22:46
SubsonicB	control of population	Dec 12 22:46
wispy	that software is not good for torrent and p2p users	Dec 12 22:46
schestowitz	UK police: 'We need crime breathalysers for PCs' < http://www.silicon.com/publicsector/0,... >	Dec 12 22:46
SubsonicB	If you look at the things we know about Microsoft	Dec 12 22:46
schestowitz	You know what this means to GNU/Linux, right?	Dec 12 22:46
SubsonicB	that the public cannot even believe	Dec 12 22:46
schestowitz	First they illegalise some network utils like nmap	Dec 12 22:47
wispy	:(	Dec 12 22:47
SubsonicB	and extrapolate to other areas	Dec 12 22:47
schestowitz	Now they follow the RIAA's suggestion of spyware on every PC to police content	Dec 12 22:47
SubsonicB	it is just scary how ignorant and uninformed we are kept	Dec 12 22:47
wispy	ms is mean	Dec 12 22:47
schestowitz	Do you know about the UK databases	Dec 12 22:47
SubsonicB	that is what "palladium" was all about from the begginning	Dec 12 22:47
schestowitz	They keep digital records of all phonecalls and E-mails sent	Dec 12 22:47
wispy	i heard about that spyware, roy	Dec 12 22:47
schestowitz	I hardly encrpy mine because people don't have PGP installed, so I just sign it.	Dec 12 22:48
schestowitz	SubsonicB: IBM supports that too, IIRC	Dec 12 22:48
wispy	yeah i see your pgp stuff	Dec 12 22:48
schestowitz	It's about taking disconnected devices (old PCs) and making a sort of rental paradigm	Dec 12 22:48
schestowitz	For music, for use, for access..	Dec 12 22:48
schestowitz	In China they can limit number of hours online	Dec 12 22:49
schestowitz	But ISPs too can manage that easily.	Dec 12 22:49
wispy	bandwith caps	Dec 12 22:49
wispy	roy have you ever seen a zombie pc?	Dec 12 22:50
schestowitz	Heh. Yes	Dec 12 22:50
schestowitz	They are everywhere.	Dec 12 22:50
schestowitz	Almost 1 in 2 Windows PCs is a zombie	Dec 12 22:50
schestowitz	They just don't know it (the users)	Dec 12 22:50
wispy	yikes!	Dec 12 22:51
schestowitz	98% of Windows PCs can be instantly turned to zombie, says Secunia	Dec 12 22:51
wispy	how can you tell if you have one??	Dec 12 22:51
schestowitz	The FBI does this..	Dec 12 22:51
schestowitz	Hold on.	Dec 12 22:51
wispy	brains!!!	Dec 12 22:51
schestowitz	OT but interesting: http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&20... http://www.boingboing.net/2008/01/19/f...	Dec 12 22:51
schestowitz	Zombie PC is another interesting use of language	Dec 12 22:51
SubsonicB	the security feature on AMD chips is called "presidio" which in spanish is a synonym of "prision"	Dec 12 22:52
SubsonicB	http://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv...	Dec 12 22:52
schestowitz	Computer run remotely = monster that easts brains	Dec 12 22:52
schestowitz	They should call it something like Zombows PC	Dec 12 22:52
schestowitz	Or Zomblows	Dec 12 22:52
schestowitz	As in Windows	Dec 12 22:52
wispy	hehehe	Dec 12 22:52
wispy	you're funny :D	Dec 12 22:53
schestowitz	FBI ducks questions about its remotely installed spyware	Dec 12 22:53
schestowitz	,----[ Quote ]	Dec 12 22:53
schestowitz	\| There are plenty of unanswered questions about the FBI spyware that, as we	Dec 12 22:53
schestowitz	\| reported earlier this week, can be delivered over the Internet and implanted	Dec 12 22:53
schestowitz	\| in a suspect's computer remotely.	Dec 12 22:53
schestowitz	`----	Dec 12 22:53
schestowitz	http://news.com.com/8301...	Dec 12 22:53
SubsonicB	combine it with geo-localization throuth mobile phones (remember RMS don't use one due to this) and RFID technology	Dec 12 22:53
SubsonicB	you have full human traceability	Dec 12 22:53
schestowitz	Don't forget the ACTA http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17088 Criminals in suits	Dec 12 22:53
wispy	does rms use a web browser?	Dec 12 22:53
wispy	i heard he doesnt	Dec 12 22:53
schestowitz	They can't control people, so they pass new laws to call more of them "criminals"	Dec 12 22:53
wispy	thats wikkid	Dec 12 22:54
schestowitz	wispy: no, he doesn't	Dec 12 22:54
schestowitz	He wgets pages remotely	Dec 12 22:54
wispy	lol i thought so	Dec 12 22:54
schestowitz	I just paste articles for him	Dec 12 22:54
SubsonicB	What scares me is the NSA inserting such code into Free Software (they used to fund OpenBSD development)	Dec 12 22:54
schestowitz	OGM copyrights!!!111111111	Dec 12 22:54
wispy	like no wai	Dec 12 22:55
wispy	lol	Dec 12 22:55
schestowitz	Just in: Forget The Economy, Security Vendor Says Cybercrime Is The Real Threat < http://techdirt.com/articles/20081210/10... >	Dec 12 22:58
schestowitz	Downturn may turn techies to crime, say reports < http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-255464.html >	Dec 12 22:59
wispy	bad news outweighs good news these days it seems	Dec 12 23:00
wispy	i need a comfort hug	Dec 12 23:00
wispy	lol	Dec 12 23:00
schestowitz	Dana is provoking again: Is Google desperate in taking Chrome gold? < http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3186 >. No, Google is no exception to others.	Dec 12 23:02
schestowitz	Someone should remind Google where ti came from though. Total neglect of anything but shoddy non-UNIX spyware magnet	Dec 12 23:03
SubsonicB	some good news: Slackware 12.2 is OUT!	Dec 12 23:04
wispy	lol roy	Dec 12 23:04
wispy	have you tried slax, sub?	Dec 12 23:04
schestowitz	McCain Sells Out < http://www.pcworld.com/topics/gaming.html > . Who says there's no $$ in politics?	Dec 12 23:06
schestowitz	Maybe John can kill the turkey while Sarah poses for the camera	Dec 12 23:06
schestowitz	http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=z-kjM1asH-8	Dec 12 23:06
wispy	i saw that	Dec 12 23:08
wispy	i wish she'd go away, though	Dec 12 23:08
wispy	she's annoying!	Dec 12 23:08
SubsonicB	roy, has Bill Gates finally switched to Slackware? http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/...	Dec 12 23:09
schestowitz	Many people read Bn today	Dec 12 23:09
schestowitz	I don't know why	Dec 12 23:09
SubsonicB	hasn't he? :-)	Dec 12 23:09
schestowitz	I didn't even do many posts ( SubsonicB's was the main feature)	Dec 12 23:09
wispy	i didn't see subsonic's post	Dec 12 23:09
wispy	where is it??	Dec 12 23:09
schestowitz	Oh, that's MicrosoftJack	Dec 12 23:09
SubsonicB	no big deal	Dec 12 23:09
schestowitz	Microsoft open source.	Dec 12 23:10
wispy	oh that, ok	Dec 12 23:10
SubsonicB	anyone with a clue on what is going on with M$ vs FOSS knows it	Dec 12 23:10
wispy	lol subsonic @ the link	Dec 12 23:10
SubsonicB	hehe	Dec 12 23:10
SubsonicB	Bill G. is a sub-genius in that photo!	Dec 12 23:11
schestowitz	http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/28214/	Dec 12 23:11
wispy	weird styles in the '70s	Dec 12 23:11
SubsonicB	>-D	Dec 12 23:11
wispy	thx	Dec 12 23:12
SubsonicB	the OIN patent pool somehw legitimises the existence of software patents IMHO	Dec 12 23:13
schestowitz	Yes	Dec 12 23:13
schestowitz	And we're supposed to accept this for now.	Dec 12 23:13
SubsonicB	legitimises the US broken patent system	Dec 12 23:13
schestowitz	That's IBM	Dec 12 23:13
schestowitz	zoobab knows.	Dec 12 23:14
SubsonicB	i dont like it eihter	Dec 12 23:14
schestowitz	I'll write about it over the weekend.	Dec 12 23:14
SubsonicB	it feels like Novellsoft pact in a way	Dec 12 23:14
schestowitz	I also have an interview to publish.	Dec 12 23:14
wispy	cool roy	Dec 12 23:14
wispy	all of this for us	Dec 12 23:14
schestowitz	"Look at http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/linux911.php Hilarious! "	Dec 12 23:14
SubsonicB	i wonder what is the role of Bilski in all this	Dec 12 23:14
schestowitz	Now we fight corrupt lawyers and suit using some animated batmobile thingie.	Dec 12 23:15
wispy	lmao	Dec 12 23:15
schestowitz	Watch it	Dec 12 23:15
schestowitz	I'm sure Ballmer shivers in his boots.	Dec 12 23:15
schestowitz	Tux in Gotham City	Dec 12 23:16
wispy	so cute!	Dec 12 23:16
schestowitz	That's bad.	Dec 12 23:16
schestowitz	This is serious crime	Dec 12 23:16
schestowitz	No place for jokes.	Dec 12 23:16
wispy	lol sry	Dec 12 23:16
schestowitz	OK, except a few jokes... http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/...	Dec 12 23:16
schestowitz	Some people don't get the refrence.. see the commenrts.	Dec 12 23:17
schestowitz	The original says "Do <X> or I kill this puppy"	Dec 12 23:17
wispy	i saw that, some people need a sense of humor	Dec 12 23:17
wispy	ugh	Dec 12 23:17
schestowitz	Because images are memorable I remind people that Intel is EVIL, which it ios.	Dec 12 23:17
wispy	yeah lol	Dec 12 23:17
SubsonicB	don't bother	Dec 12 23:17
SubsonicB	for your resident microtrolls any excuse is good enough to make ad-hominem attacks	Dec 12 23:18
schestowitz	I know, I know..	Dec 12 23:18
schestowitz	I have a better one.	Dec 12 23:18
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/u...	Dec 12 23:19
wispy	hahaha!	Dec 12 23:19
wispy	roy you're so silly :P	Dec 12 23:19
schestowitz	Think of a funny one for Sisco	Dec 12 23:20
schestowitz	They were asked for a long time to comply	Dec 12 23:20
schestowitz	But they carried on leeching	Dec 12 23:20
schestowitz	Leechco? No..	Dec 12 23:20
schestowitz	Cystco?	Dec 12 23:20
MinceR	Diseaseco	Dec 12 23:21
wispy	hi mince!	Dec 12 23:21
schestowitz	Do they infect though?	Dec 12 23:21
schestowitz	With wispy, it's no longer a gentlemen's club. :-)	Dec 12 23:21
wispy	hehe ^_^	Dec 12 23:21
schestowitz	Ciscomply?	Dec 12 23:23
schestowitz	in-Cisco-mplanince	Dec 12 23:23
MinceR	i like Cystco	Dec 12 23:23
schestowitz	Cancerous or benign?	Dec 12 23:23
schestowitz	http://www.computeruser.com/articl... "Cisco may have a monopoly, but is it monopolist?"	Dec 12 23:24
MinceR	obviously cancerous	Dec 12 23:24
schestowitz	"Cisco's habit of acquiring new companies generates speculation that its position is not only one of a de facto monopoly, but that it uses its position to stifle competition. Many feel that speculation is accurate. "	Dec 12 23:24
schestowitz	They bought Jabber	Dec 12 23:24
schestowitz	Then got sued for GPL snub	Dec 12 23:24
MinceR	(and Diseaseco would be D-Cisco, but that might not be obvious enough)	Dec 12 23:25
schestowitz	Nice, eh?	Dec 12 23:25
MinceR	hm	Dec 12 23:25
MinceR	http://bellini.blog.hu/2008/12/10/l...	Dec 12 23:25
SubsonicB	let me shoot the gimp for 5 minutes...	Dec 12 23:25
MinceR	"Fiasco Systems" :)	Dec 12 23:25
schestowitz	"The U.S. government's case against Microsoft frequently generates strong emotional responses. There are some people who feel that Microsoft acted as a monopoly and stifled competition, but that legal action against it is too late; the desktop operating system is losing importance as the Internet becomes predominant."	Dec 12 23:25
schestowitz	No Google?	Dec 12 23:25
schestowitz	"Cisco, however, is lodged near the heart of the Internet. If government regulatory groups are encouraged by the results of the Microsoft antitrust suit, it would not be surprising to see them turn their attention toward Cisco."	Dec 12 23:25
schestowitz	SubsonicB: thanks.	Dec 12 23:26
schestowitz	Bellini?	Dec 12 23:26
schestowitz	The 'oracle' eco-hax0r?	Dec 12 23:26
wispy	schestowitz: you're a hax0r, too lol. with c++	Dec 12 23:27
schestowitz	But this is what I had in mind: http://www.rdwarf.com/users/kioh/	Dec 12 23:28
wispy	haha	Dec 12 23:28
schestowitz	They know what they do, don't worry... they've only just exceeded 10.5 trillion in debt. The Federal Reserve says "buy"	Dec 12 23:29
schestowitz	Can't buy? Borrow. Drive the economy. Drive GM. Take it to the garage after 10 miles.	Dec 12 23:30
schestowitz	http://m.blog.hu/be/bellini/image/folder/L...	Dec 12 23:30
schestowitz	http://m.blog.hu/be/bellini/image/fol... Esdel 2.0	Dec 12 23:31
schestowitz	*Adsel	Dec 12 23:31
schestowitz	*Edsel (gah!	Dec 12 23:31
wispy	pwned	Dec 12 23:31
MinceR	if GM tanks, i'll feel sorry for the Chevrolet Volt though	Dec 12 23:31
wispy	big three loses	Dec 12 23:31
wispy	lol roy	Dec 12 23:31
schestowitz	Mercedes does some electric car mockiups now	Dec 12 23:31
schestowitz	It was in The Register this afternoon.	Dec 12 23:32
wispy	hope it's not some trend and that they are serious about this	Dec 12 23:32
wispy	going green should be a serious effort	Dec 12 23:32
schestowitz	Bush helps	Dec 12 23:33
wispy	really?!	Dec 12 23:33
schestowitz	Without animals, there would be nothing hiding the plants. Environmentalists blast changes to Endangered Species rules < http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/12/12/endang... >	Dec 12 23:34
wispy	poor animals :'(	Dec 12 23:34
schestowitz	Rep logic: kill animals, help green^H^H^H^H^HVILISA~1	Dec 12 23:34
schestowitz	People are taught to love money	Dec 12 23:35
schestowitz	Green energy and greed are like water and sand	Dec 12 23:35
wispy	grrrrr	Dec 12 23:35
schestowitz	As long as the oil companies educate the kids, civilisation is doomed.	Dec 12 23:35
wispy	we must save endangered animals like this cute one: http://fluffyflowers.typepad.com/photos/u...	Dec 12 23:35
schestowitz	/s/oil/<any affluent sector>/	Dec 12 23:35
schestowitz	Homo sapients too might be extinct one day, hopefully not in my lifetime. :-(	Dec 12 23:36
wispy	yeah that would be scary	Dec 12 23:36
schestowitz	A Professor biologist I'm friends with says so	Dec 12 23:36
SubsonicB	we think the man is the summit of the evolution	Dec 12 23:37
SubsonicB	the truth is that we are too stupid to last	Dec 12 23:37
wispy	nobody listens to scientists, it's sad	Dec 12 23:37
PetoKraus	tell me about it	Dec 12 23:37
SubsonicB	bacteriae have been upon the earth since 2000 million years ago	Dec 12 23:38
wispy	reminds me of how nobody cares about the opinions of geologists before a volcanic disaster and fail to evacuate	Dec 12 23:38
SubsonicB	and have survived so far	Dec 12 23:38
SubsonicB	they are much smarter than us	Dec 12 23:38
PetoKraus	they are dying quite fast though	Dec 12 23:38
PetoKraus	if they weren't earth's mass would double in 18 minutes	Dec 12 23:38
schestowitz	Dinosaurs once roamed the earth	Dec 12 23:38
schestowitz	They ate each other	Dec 12 23:38
wispy	lol	Dec 12 23:39
SubsonicB	heh	Dec 12 23:39
SubsonicB	>-D	Dec 12 23:39
PetoKraus	t-rex t-bone steak	Dec 12 23:39
schestowitz	Lots of bone left	Dec 12 23:39
wispy	yum yum!	Dec 12 23:39
schestowitz	Leftovers underground.	Dec 12 23:40
wispy	lol pk	Dec 12 23:40
schestowitz	Sounds like sellng snake oil	Dec 12 23:40
schestowitz	Some people would believe that	Dec 12 23:40
PetoKraus	this environmental chemistry is really getting on my nerves	Dec 12 23:40
wispy	heh roy	Dec 12 23:40
schestowitz	The waiter comes iver and tells the couple about the recent excavation that brought dino beef.	Dec 12 23:40
schestowitz	$500 per serving.	Dec 12 23:40
wispy	ewwww~	Dec 12 23:41
PetoKraus	contains: soya	Dec 12 23:41
schestowitz	(turns out it's just ox)	Dec 12 23:41
wispy	yuck!	Dec 12 23:41
PetoKraus	have you actually HAD an ox?	Dec 12 23:41
wispy	nope	Dec 12 23:41
schestowitz	SubsonicB: do they serve err... genitalia of err... cattle over there?	Dec 12 23:41
PetoKraus	every time i eat scottish pie i am thinking of	Dec 12 23:41
schestowitz	I once went to a Chinese rsestaurant.	Dec 12 23:42
wispy	lol roy	Dec 12 23:42
schestowitz	They serves chicken legs... not wings... legs...	Dec 12 23:42
PetoKraus	poor old sheep who'd been minced in the mutton...	Dec 12 23:42
schestowitz	I could haerly touch the thing.	Dec 12 23:42
schestowitz	*hardly	Dec 12 23:42
wispy	chicken legs are so scrawny though	Dec 12 23:42
PetoKraus	man, let's start with haggis	Dec 12 23:42
wispy	poor baby sheep	Dec 12 23:42
SubsonicB	yes, but I never tried it	Dec 12 23:42
SubsonicB	http://subsonica.blogsome.com//...	Dec 12 23:42
PetoKraus	sheep's stomach miced with oats and cooked in... sheep's stomach!	Dec 12 23:42
schestowitz	LOL	Dec 12 23:43
wispy	X(	Dec 12 23:43
schestowitz	SubsonicB: did you just do it?	Dec 12 23:43
*neighborlee_ (n=neighbor@unaffiliated/neighborlee) has joined #boycottnovell		Dec 12 23:43
SubsonicB	yep	Dec 12 23:43
schestowitz	Cool!	Dec 12 23:43
schestowitz	GIMP artist..	Dec 12 23:43
SubsonicB	very easy	Dec 12 23:43
wispy	i can't see it :9	Dec 12 23:43
wispy	:(	Dec 12 23:43
wispy	forbidden	Dec 12 23:43
schestowitz	Will you use it?	Dec 12 23:43
schestowitz	Maybe I should add it yo your post	Dec 12 23:44
SubsonicB	http://subsonica.blogsome.com/...	Dec 12 23:44
SubsonicB	wispy give it another try	Dec 12 23:44
wispy	oh thanks!	Dec 12 23:44
wispy	hehe	Dec 12 23:44
PetoKraus	then if you move to slovakia, you get all those nice things upon slaying pork, such as "sausages" made of blood, rice, and meat (mainly bowels), packed in intestines	Dec 12 23:44
PetoKraus	delicious, i can tell	Dec 12 23:44
SubsonicB	the message is not very clear	Dec 12 23:44
wispy	heh pk	Dec 12 23:44
SubsonicB	who is telling "join us"	Dec 12 23:44
wispy	the dark side	Dec 12 23:45
SubsonicB	is it "Microsoft" who speaks or is the empire telling microsoft to join?	Dec 12 23:45
wispy	i think it's ms	Dec 12 23:45
SubsonicB	Darth Bald-mer	Dec 12 23:45
PetoKraus	that's a good idea	Dec 12 23:45
PetoKraus	add sweat patches	Dec 12 23:45
wispy	ahhhhh! :hides:	Dec 12 23:46
schestowitz	Added: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/12/micr...	Dec 12 23:46
wispy	lol nice	Dec 12 23:46
SubsonicB	george lucas will sue us	Dec 12 23:46
wispy	i think parody is okay	Dec 12 23:47
SubsonicB	hope so	Dec 12 23:47
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/up...	Dec 12 23:47
wispy	i learned that in my law class	Dec 12 23:47
wispy	hehe	Dec 12 23:47
SubsonicB	i did another one about star wars do you remember Lando de Icaza?	Dec 12 23:48
schestowitz	See the URL (second	Dec 12 23:48
schestowitz	I published it a second time too (can't remember which post	Dec 12 23:48
SubsonicB	you were faster!	Dec 12 23:48
wispy	i saw that before in a post, roy	Dec 12 23:49
PetoKraus	schestowitz: cheers for posting that guantanamo thing. I know it's not in the scope, but people should know	Dec 12 23:49
SubsonicB	PetoK i missed it doy you have the url at hand?	Dec 12 23:49
PetoKraus	http://www.msnbc.msn.co...	Dec 12 23:51
schestowitz	SubsonicB: yes, hold oin	Dec 12 23:51
schestowitz	Oh, PK beat me to it	Dec 12 23:51
SubsonicB	thanks	Dec 12 23:51
schestowitz	MSSSSSSSS - NBC ........ Microsoft... and some 'new' network attached to it	Dec 12 23:51
PetoKraus	McColo?	Dec 12 23:53
schestowitz	Mscolo	Dec 12 23:54
schestowitz	New licence from Microsoft	Dec 12 23:54
schestowitz	It enabled you to hijack 40% of the world's PCs and spew 150 billion SPAM from them, per day (real figures BTW)	Dec 12 23:55
wispy	that much?!	Dec 12 23:55
schestowitz	Yes	Dec 12 23:55
schestowitz	320 million PCs	Dec 12 23:55
wispy	use gmail, there's way less spam ;)	Dec 12 23:55
schestowitz	Says USA Today	Dec 12 23:55
schestowitz	Some say it's more, some say less	Dec 12 23:55
wispy	ok lol	Dec 12 23:55
schestowitz	It's a worse issue than some economic ones	Dec 12 23:56
wispy	we need a confidence interval	Dec 12 23:56
PetoKraus	it's funny though	Dec 12 23:56
wispy	between x and y	Dec 12 23:56
PetoKraus	i opened my hotmail account after a year from signing up for it, for the first time. There was greeting email and email from a friend (that's why i was opening the mailbox)	Dec 12 23:56
PetoKraus	week later, 20+ spam mails	Dec 12 23:56
MinceR	the google fail spam filter fails	Dec 12 23:57
wispy	i never used hotmail	Dec 12 23:57
wispy	gmail all the way	Dec 12 23:57
MinceR	spamassassin ftw	Dec 12 23:57
schestowitz	I used to get thousands of spam per day	Dec 12 23:57
wispy	what?!	Dec 12 23:57
schestowitz	Now I just send it to /dev/null	Dec 12 23:57
schestowitz	And boxtrapper	Dec 12 23:58
wispy	haha the black hole	Dec 12 23:58
PetoKraus	i'm in range of hundreds	Dec 12 23:58
schestowitz	Unless the address is precise.	Dec 12 23:58
wispy	i get about 1 a month	Dec 12 23:58
wispy	nyah nyah	Dec 12 23:58
schestowitz	I once missed important mails	Dec 12 23:58
schestowitz	For example, I bother checking the mess that's a boxtrapper queue	Dec 12 23:58
PetoKraus	the most of my spam comes trough the university mail, though	Dec 12 23:58
schestowitz	I can't read it, but I scan patterns like names and "Linux"	Dec 12 23:59
PetoKraus	they're using novell netware	Dec 12 23:59
schestowitz	Then I found out Google wanted to recruit me.	Dec 12 23:59
PetoKraus	+ Windows XP...	Dec 12 23:59
wispy	good idea roy	Dec 12 23:59
SubsonicB	I used hotmail for some time	Dec 12 23:59
schestowitz	Almost lost that one and I'm sure many others are lost	Dec 12 23:59
schestowitz	But it's too much work recovering them	Dec 12 23:59
wispy	yeah my school uses XP too	Dec 12 23:59
schestowitz	Liek 15 minutes per message maybe.	Dec 12 23:59
wispy	roy will you work for google?	Dec 12 23:59
SubsonicB	I started back when it wasn't bought by microsoft yet	Dec 12 23:59
schestowitz	wispy: no	Dec 12 23:59
PetoKraus	yeah, it was my first mail account as well	Dec 12 23:59
PetoKraus	then i moved to gmail and stayed ever since	Dec 12 23:59

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 12th, 2008 - Part 2

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