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*tessier_ likes USB flash drives tooJan 17 00:00
tessier_oh...actually, I like external USB hard drives. I use them for backup. I never use USB flash drives. Everywhere I go has a net connection so I can always get my data.Jan 17 00:01
schestowitzTwo monitors = 44 percent increase in productivity < http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/115846 >Jan 17 00:01
moogstrapI don't see much future in the licensing users... I wonder if this worm rage will incite calls to for us to embrace TCJan 17 00:01
schestowitzI guess that's why I'm efficient. :-) Been doing dual since I was a teenJan 17 00:02
schestowitzmoogstrap: that's what worries meJan 17 00:02
schestowitzThe infowars crazies used Lessig to talk about a i9/11Jan 17 00:02
schestowitzAs in , a major disaster blown out of proportion to call for radical measures and laws like TC-related requirements (MASHALL)Jan 17 00:03
schestowitz*MARSHALJan 17 00:03
moogstraptime for the phonecall! eveningJan 17 00:03
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schestowitzIT Salary 2009: Survey Says Modest Declines < http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/article.p... >Jan 17 00:04
MinceRgnJan 17 00:08
schestowitzNeat! http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/f...Jan 17 00:13
schestowitzhttp://digg.com/linux_unix/Microsof...Jan 17 00:15
schestowitzWhy are so many people linking to http://www.computerworld.com.au/ind... ? It's a GoogleNews Burp... it's from 2007!!Jan 17 00:23
tessier_TC isn't bad except that different people have different ideas of who it is that should be trustedJan 17 00:24
schestowitzWhy Open Source is Eclipsing Everything Else < http://www.computerworlduk.com/commu... >Jan 17 00:24
tessier_It's my computer so I think I should be trusted. MS and media companies think it's their computer and they should be trusted (and not me).Jan 17 00:24
schestowitzMicrosoft wanted to use that as lockinJan 17 00:24
tessier_YepJan 17 00:24
schestowitzI still need to dig up and organise the antitrust stuffJan 17 00:24
tessier_We have a machine in the front office with a black background. WGA strikes again.Jan 17 00:24
schestowitzIt was the same with Office rendering on the Web, ActiveX, XAML..Jan 17 00:25
schestowitz"we have to innovate above standards..."Jan 17 00:25
schestowitzWGA still strikes? Wow, I really haven't keep track of things.Jan 17 00:25
schestowitzTo me, Windows is just screenshots or videosJan 17 00:26
tessier_Same here. But sometimes I see other people using it.Jan 17 00:26
schestowitzThat hardly happens to me anymoreJan 17 00:26
schestowitzI started doing everything from my apartment.Jan 17 00:27
twittertrickle, trickle.  http://online.wsj.com/article...Jan 17 00:31
schestowitzYou're supposed to be distracted by other MS news.Jan 17 00:31
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schestowitzMJF spins both layoffs *and* actions against Microsoft's crimes: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1819 http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1819Jan 17 00:34
schestowitzI reckon she's nervous. ZDNet too seems to be on the verge of big layoffs or bankruptcy and she already has a new site of her own, but it won't give her a wage like eWeek (Ziff|Gates - MSWatch) or CNET|ZDJan 17 00:35
schestowitzRichard Rasker: "Poor Microsoft ... being harrassed all the time, when all they want to do is make a few bucks ... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28698674/"Jan 17 00:38
schestowitzSome new people have begun helping with the hidden wiki.... it's still a mess at this early stage... http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.ph...Jan 17 00:49
twitterlook another spyglass story.  As M$ raped the company that created IE, it looks like they are raping the company that make their Live Communications.   http://www.pcworld.com/article/15788...Jan 17 01:38
schestowitzYes, seen itJan 17 01:38
schestowitzmoog* raised itJan 17 01:38
schestowitzPredictable.. coming from a company of dumpster diversJan 17 01:39
twittercool, I'm a little behind the news right now.  so much spews out on friday night.Jan 17 01:39
schestowitzYes, I wonder what I missedJan 17 01:40
schestowitzI'm well behind.Jan 17 01:40
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twitterhow do you create wiki users?Jan 17 01:47
twitterHmmm, no surprise here.... http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f...Jan 17 01:48
schestowitzCan you not create an account. It should definitely be possible.Jan 17 01:48
*schestowitz looksJan 17 01:48
schestowitzThe company she left fired 750 (announced last night)Jan 17 01:49
twitterah ha, I misread this, " Bartz told employees that her gut instinct was not to sell the company's search business to Microsoft, according to a news report."Jan 17 01:49
schestowitzYes, I know.Jan 17 01:49
schestowitzShe comes from a monopolist of sorts..Jan 17 01:50
twitterAutodesk, big patent abuser and M$ friend.Jan 17 01:50
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twitterAlmost completely routed around by 3D drafting companies.Jan 17 01:51
twitter$19 million salary and 5 million stock options.  How do they justify that kind of extravagance?Jan 17 01:52
schestowitzI've no ideaJan 17 01:54
twitterThere are a couple to stories about meeting between M$ and Yahoo.Jan 17 01:55
twitterhttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/techn...     http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/17/technology/...Jan 17 01:55
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cjhmm?Jan 17 02:26
cjschestowitz: I was not insulting you.  *sigh*Jan 17 02:26
cjschestowitz: I just said it reminded me of you.  If you took it as an insult, I don't know what I can do about that.Jan 17 02:26
cjbut I wish you wouldn't assume the worst all the timeJan 17 02:27
schestowitzSorry, me bad :-SJan 17 02:27
schestowitz*myJan 17 02:27
schestowitzhttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u-3ZB_-... second part is interesting re: PentagonJan 17 02:59
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schestowitzAmerican has just intellectually invaded Peru""Uncanny, but I was just talking about Peru and Free Software last week and the week before for the first time in a very long while (years I think)  Now I see this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7834820.stm .."Jan 17 09:02
schestowitzMail: "If it's like the other "free trade" pacts, it has sw patents as a rider. I'm not sure were to look.  If it is the case, then it is the Bush junta doing what they can to cause damage on the way out."Jan 17 09:02
schestowitzhttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=02zpX...Jan 17 09:25
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/1... "Ballmer has even gone on record as saying Microsoft's secret is its "tenacity, persistence, patience". While Microsoft is rarely the first to market, it can always leverage its size when battling market incumbents."Jan 17 09:45
schestowitzLittle Trees Air Freshener Company Ads Warn People Not To Mess With Its Trademark < http://techdirt.com/articles/2009010... > with picture.....Jan 17 09:48
schestowitzGovernment funds new propaganda channels: Government rescues New England newspapers < http://www.foxnews.com/video-sear... >Jan 17 09:50
schestowitzI they die, let them lie. The strong survive, untrustible media will die out...Jan 17 09:50
schestowitzSo citizens are now funding the same brainwash they are subjected to -- through bailouts.Jan 17 09:51
schestowitzI've got lots of Gartner dirt. Good. I'll chain them with older posts too.Jan 17 10:14
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schestowitzhttp://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/survey/surve...Jan 17 11:09
schestowitzIs 2009 the year of acquisitions by Chinese and Indian IT vendors? < http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresourc... >Jan 17 11:28
schestowitzThis has just shown up in feeds: http://whitepapers.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?doci... Microsoft-sponsored anti-NovellJan 17 11:47
schestowitzhttp://www.edmondlifeandleisure.com/default... "an executive at Sun Microsystems, which at that time was called Novell." ??????????Jan 17 11:51
ushimitsudokiThat article is just a mistake. Schimidt worked at Sun and then Novell. Probably the columnist just confused it upJan 17 12:03
ushimitsudokiHow can you even manage that small text, non spaced reading anyway?Jan 17 12:03
ushimitsudokihurts my eyes to look at itJan 17 12:03
schestowitzYeah.. I'll use that to joke anyway.Jan 17 12:06
schestowitzNovell has just hired greyhatsJan 17 12:06
schestowitzushimitsudoki: I'll do a quick post about it.Jan 17 12:28
ushimitsudokialright i'll give it a read if i'm aboutJan 17 12:28
schestowitzHere it is: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/17/su... :-)Jan 17 12:38
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ushimitsudokilink to O'Gara calling Bartz a bitch?Jan 17 12:39
schestowitzNo :-)Jan 17 12:41
schestowitzThat would feed her...Jan 17 12:41
ushimitsudokiI wouldn't put something like that in without a sourceJan 17 12:46
ushimitsudokiref=nofollow if you dont want to give google juiceJan 17 12:46
schestowitzOKJan 17 12:46
schestowitzLet me find itJan 17 12:46
schestowitzhttp://au.sys-con.com/node/808918Jan 17 12:47
schestowitzI really don't want to feed her. It's a malicious spy.Jan 17 12:47
schestowitz"Oh, by the way, Bartz is getting a base salary of a million dollars and a total compensation package this year of roughly $19 million to save Yahoo from itself. Expectations are she'll earn every dime she gets."Jan 17 12:48
schestowitzRead b/w the lines... it's vindicative.Jan 17 12:48
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/17/softwa...Jan 17 13:08
MinceRj0Jan 17 13:11
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schestowitzCan anyone else confirm that www.boycottnovell.com is now resolving once again? Jan 17 15:21
schestowitzShane gets to it. I can't (yet)Jan 17 15:21
schestowitzWorks from here: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http...Jan 17 15:24
MinceRwww.boycottnovell.com has address 72.29.75.151Jan 17 15:45
MinceRthe website works on that addressJan 17 15:45
schestowitzCool!Jan 17 15:47
schestowitzShane needed access to stuff I can't access.Jan 17 15:47
trmancoschestowitz, works like a charmJan 17 15:53
schestowitzCool.Jan 17 15:53
trmancowhat was the problem?Jan 17 15:53
schestowitz*sigh* Skype sucks on this networkJan 17 15:53
schestowitzCertain routes work well. Others are too laggyJan 17 15:54
schestowitztrmanco: I don't know, but Shane changed package/server, so....Jan 17 15:54
trmancohmm okJan 17 15:54
schestowitzThat's what he said anyway. He upgraded after Slashdot took us down.Jan 17 15:54
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twitterBN works hereJan 17 15:58
schestowitzI've just posted part 1 on anal-ystsJan 17 15:59
twitterResolves to 72.29.75.151 using BIND 9Jan 17 15:59
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/17/mic...Jan 17 15:59
schestowitzThe best will come in parts 2 and 3. ;-)Jan 17 15:59
twitterCox resolves it to 72.29.75.151 too.Jan 17 16:00
twittergoing to read BN now.Jan 17 16:00
schestowitzApple CEO Steve Jobs considering a liver transplant? < http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/... >Jan 17 16:02
schestowitzAnother Californian, Arnie McBain, did a transplant too, no? Those steroids burned his body.Jan 17 16:03
schestowitzCrisis in the Heartland: Consequences of the New Wall Street System http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php...Jan 17 16:06
twitterArnold has had quadruple bypass on his heart.  I do not know about other transplants.  If Jobs can't get a transplant to fix himself, no one can.Jan 17 16:10
schestowitzOne in five Guantanamo Bay detainees is on hunger strike http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_a...Jan 17 16:10
schestowitzRMS does no favour to FS PR by encouraging legalisation of pot.Jan 17 16:10
schestowitzHe does this again. Although it's claimed to have been banned for class-related issues (deprivation of the poor), this line he's preaching for looks bad to outsiders.Jan 17 16:11
schestowitzHe also netted this: No Charge: In Civil-Contempt Cases, Jail Time Can Stretch On for Years < http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB12313726... >Jan 17 16:12
neighborleeschestowitz, I can vouch that its anything but a good thing at least on a consistent basis..I know many friends that use it and overall addicted to it, and what id call paranoid personality types as a result of its use,,there are studies showing that, not to mention the drain it is on ones finances. I see no redeeming quality in it other than medicinal use.Jan 17 16:16
schestowitzYes, I know. I never did drugs though. I happen to have read some background on this.Jan 17 16:16
neighborleeschestowitz, ive used it in the past, very very infrequently but I never bought any,,if friends had it I would have joined in but I certainly never became addicted to it as my usage was extremely minimal as a result of it being a social thing.Jan 17 16:17
schestowitzI still wonder why microwaves are only banned in Sweden, AFAIK.Jan 17 16:17
neighborleehmmm had no idea about that one.Jan 17 16:17
schestowitzFast food culture... plasma TVs might soon be banned in the EUJan 17 16:17
twitterRMS is under no such PR burdens.  His thoughts are his own.  If you think he's wrong about legalizing pot, tell him why but don't tell him that the truth makes other people look bad.Jan 17 16:17
schestowitzAlcohol is addictive too and so are cigarettes.Jan 17 16:17
neighborleeat least alcohol does have redeeming value in that its healthy in small amountsJan 17 16:18
schestowitztwitter: some people use these statements against himJan 17 16:18
neighborleebut yeah , I dont think we have enough safety nets in place to protect innocent people from drunksJan 17 16:18
twitterWhat does that have to do with free software?Jan 17 16:18
schestowitzI've seen people attacking his movement saying that he endorses pedophelia or something...Jan 17 16:18
neighborleeso you can say, some suffer so that others 'rights' aren't stampled on..cheers for society :)Jan 17 16:19
twitterPeople say stupid things about him.  They do the same for you too.Jan 17 16:19
schestowitzI knowJan 17 16:19
schestowitzSlimeJan 17 16:19
schestowitzOut of context statments.Jan 17 16:19
schestowitz*teJan 17 16:19
neighborleehowever , yes I tend to agree, those in positions of some authority have a deeper responsibility to society, and for what they say as it tends to have more impact.Jan 17 16:20
schestowitzIIRC, it was about some remark on consent in Holland or somethingJan 17 16:20
schestowitzSome people fished it without context and posted libel in DiggJan 17 16:20
twitterRMS says things against run away prudes and denounces the American Taliban as much as he does the Afgan Talaban.Jan 17 16:20
schestowitzneighborlee: they mostly have responsibility for their bills.Jan 17 16:21
neighborleewell that tooJan 17 16:21
schestowitzHe fights the whole (mis)education  systemJan 17 16:21
schestowitzPeople are taught to attack people like him 'by peer'Jan 17 16:22
twitterWe are taught to censor ourselves instead of thinking things through from first principles.Jan 17 16:23
twitterI don't like pot because it lingers too long and is a form of smoking that will be marketed to children.  People fall under the influence for days but are not aware of it.Jan 17 16:23
twitterUS laws are disproportionate to that harm and RMS has pointed out some very real economic costs of this as well as moral contradictions.Jan 17 16:24
schestowitz"In fact, that's true throughout the Cold War, but very explicit then, and Eisenhower did discuss it with his staff, said there is a campaign of hatred against us -- not on the part of governments but on the part of the people, and we wanna know why that's true. "Jan 17 16:25
*schestowitz searches for somethingJan 17 16:25
schestowitzGoes along the lines of "it's difficult to counter the perception that the US (and UK) is robbing other people because it's true". That was said by the United States government many years go (not exact quote)Jan 17 16:27
twitterHere's a recently documented smear job by the tobacco industry.  http://www.prwatch.org/node/8130Jan 17 16:28
twitterUnfortunately, I can't read the source article.Jan 17 16:28
schestowitzPRWatch is not very activeJan 17 16:29
schestowitzI bet it used to do more research which is valuable (I subscribed to it months ago)Jan 17 16:29
schestowitzIt studies Microsoft pressure groups (shills) like ACT and published some informative pages that I used.Jan 17 16:30
twitterHere's what the smear was designed to cover up  http://www.prwatch.org/node/8115Jan 17 16:31
twitterThat's good and valuable research, even if it does just trickle in.Jan 17 16:31
schestowitzMOG's trash press: latest headline... "Red Hat Raids Intel"Jan 17 16:40
schestowitzDRM- Vista-like model for apps: http://www.trendcaller.com/2009/01/time-for... Bad idea..... not even application store...Jan 17 17:04
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schestowitzSecure deletion: a single overwrite will do it < http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/Secure-d... >Jan 17 17:16
MinceRor so they want you to believeJan 17 17:17
schestowitzThat's what they claimJan 17 17:17
schestowitzGutmann's papers became famous for this area.Jan 17 17:17
schestowitzGroklaw resumes! :-)Jan 17 17:25
MinceR:)Jan 17 17:28
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/article.php?sto... "It's great to have you back, but please don't get caught up in this like you did with SCOX. Treat it like the hobby the original Groklaw was supposed to be. 30-60 minutes 3 times a week is plenty for a hobby. It's not like you're knitting in front of the telly."Jan 17 17:28
schestowitzblJan 17 17:33
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_dougThree million hit by Windows worm ..Jan 17 17:44
_doughttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/techno...Jan 17 17:44
_dougfinally got the headline correct :)Jan 17 17:44
_dougyet more fastfud from zdnet ..Jan 17 17:52
_dougCraft Brewer Standardizes on Microsoft Technologies to Reap Integration BenefitsJan 17 17:52
_doughttp://whitepapers.zdnet.com/abstract....Jan 17 17:52
_doug"The company was using a Novell-based networking and e-mail system, which it found increasingly challenging to integrate with its business and IT applications from other vendors"Jan 17 17:53
_doug:)Jan 17 17:53
_dougThe company names keep changing but the BS stays the same ..Jan 17 17:57
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trmancohttp://valleywag.gawker.com/5132720/micro...Jan 17 18:09
PetoKrausi'm seriously thinking of quitting my jobJan 17 18:50
PetoKrausit's getting literally ridiculousJan 17 18:50
trmanco?Jan 17 18:59
PetoKrausmy boss is a fannyJan 17 19:00
PetoKraushe doesn't know a damn about linuxJan 17 19:01
PetoKrausand he makes a judgementJan 17 19:01
PetoKrauswhy did he even bother trying to sell linux-based UMPC's, when he actually discourages everyone from buying them?Jan 17 19:01
PetoKrausoh god, i wanna finally work in my field.... :/Jan 17 19:02
trmanco:|Jan 17 19:09
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Tallkenhi schestowitzJan 17 19:46
Tallkengreetings everyone :)Jan 17 19:46
PetoKraushi TallkenJan 17 19:47
Tallkenhi PetoKrausJan 17 19:47
schestowitzHeyJan 17 20:12
Tallkenschestowitz, Canonical is going to open Launchpad until July :D I know it's a week old news, but felt great hearing -reading actually- them :)Jan 17 20:20
twitter" 30-60 minutes 3 times a week is plenty for a hobby. It's not like you're knitting in front of the telly." TV, the great cognitive sink hole of two lost generations.Jan 17 20:21
TallkenLOL?Jan 17 20:22
Tallkentwitter, explain :pJan 17 20:22
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schestowitzMechanisation of people.Jan 17 20:23
twitterItJan 17 20:23
twitteris not my thought http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl...Jan 17 20:23
twitterEveryone knows what a waste TV is.  You just suck up what's offered and tune out.  Scans show that your brain literally thinks nothing is happening.Jan 17 20:24
twitter"  As a society we have been burning 2,000 Wikipedias per year watching mostly sitcoms."Jan 17 20:25
twitterknitting is OK. you get something out of it and can do it and talk to people at the same time.Jan 17 20:25
Tallkenthx for the link  :)Jan 17 20:26
twitterno problemJan 17 20:26
Tallkenschestowitz, you did commented Launchpad's release as free software?Jan 17 20:26
schestowitzTelevision is not the problemJan 17 20:26
schestowitzThe problem is what's streamed onto itJan 17 20:26
Tallkenignore the 'did' :pJan 17 20:26
twitterNo control broadcast WAS a problem.Jan 17 20:27
twitterIt lowered people's quality thresholds.Jan 17 20:27
schestowitzTallken: yes, in linksJan 17 20:27
Tallkentwitter, yeah, that'd be nice. Just shows about Microsoft :DJan 17 20:28
schestowitzThe strong survieJan 17 20:28
schestowitzStrong in terms of contentJan 17 20:28
twitterThe funny thing is that automated TV recording, like MythTV, will have more people watching healthy doses of TV.Jan 17 20:28
schestowitzNot strong in terms of money and authorityJan 17 20:28
Tallkenpeople don't have standardsJan 17 20:28
schestowitzThis enables the 'elites' to tap even more minds.. like GE and NBCJan 17 20:28
Tallkenwhy do people tend to migrate to using Internet instead of watching TV?Jan 17 20:28
Tallkenbecause TV sucksJan 17 20:28
twitterThey do, actually.  When given a choice they weed out what they like.Jan 17 20:28
schestowitzTelecoms help them ruins the NetJan 17 20:29
schestowitzThey don't fiberise and they throttle too or censor..Jan 17 20:29
twitterthis is true, the internet gets around old media and it's restrictions.Jan 17 20:29
Tallkenyes, twitter . In Portugal I have the choice of 4 crappy different kinds of programmingJan 17 20:29
Tallkenspeaking of the broadcasted over the air channelsJan 17 20:30
twitterI don't have cable so I have a choice of four stations too.Jan 17 20:30
twitterOne of them is public TV and they often have something worthwhile.  With a reliable schedule, I've been recording a few of those shows.Jan 17 20:31
schestowitztwitter: many ideas can't be expressed in these channelsJan 17 20:31
PetoKrauslolJan 17 20:31
twitterMy wife and I now watch about three hours of TV a week.Jan 17 20:31
PetoKrausi've got a page-hit from m$ft!Jan 17 20:31
schestowitzThe advertisers and authority won't accept itJan 17 20:31
PetoKraus:DJan 17 20:31
schestowitzPetoKraus: which page?Jan 17 20:32
PetoKraus17th Jan 2009 - 17:12:42  GMT::65.55.37.180Jan 17 20:32
twitterOh sure, movies have their limits as a form of expression.  They work better on web pages.Jan 17 20:32
PetoKrausdunnoJan 17 20:32
PetoKrausi guess i should log that as wellJan 17 20:32
schestowitzPetoKraus: could be another out-of-control zombie ;-)Jan 17 20:32
PetoKraus:/Jan 17 20:32
PetoKraus:DJan 17 20:32
twitterI like that I'm recording and can share these interesting programs if I want.Jan 17 20:32
PetoKrauswhat's inktomi corporation?Jan 17 20:32
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schestowitzSearchJan 17 20:33
schestowitzMostly imagsJan 17 20:33
PetoKrausahJan 17 20:33
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schestowitzSo you got a visit from DarthJan 17 20:33
PetoKrausyeahJan 17 20:33
PetoKrausi need to improve my logger :/Jan 17 20:34
schestowitzMaybe MiguelJan 17 20:34
schestowitzHe works from the Vole sometimesJan 17 20:34
PetoKrausthat's hard in doing your own CMSJan 17 20:34
PetoKrausyou always forget something :DJan 17 20:34
PetoKrausis there something which searches in both arin and ripe?Jan 17 20:35
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schestowitzWTF? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_...Jan 17 20:37
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anivarschestowitz:  seeJan 17 20:38
anivarhttp://www.zyxware.com/articles/2009/01/16/openoff...Jan 17 20:38
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schestowitz"By Kerala IT Policy 2007, Clause 8.4, knowledge generated through public funding should be freely available to the public. So we would believe that the original excel file was already under a Free Software License. We hereby give all derived work under GPLv3. "Jan 17 20:41
schestowitzCool.Jan 17 20:41
schestowitz‘Open Source Activism’ Surfaces In Tyler < http://www.tylerpaper.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article... >Jan 17 20:42
anivarThat is a good hackJan 17 20:43
anivarYou covered the issue on 1st EDGI storyJan 17 20:43
schestowitzI finished EDGOJan 17 20:44
schestowitz*GIJan 17 20:44
schestowitzAlmostJan 17 20:44
schestowitzI now move on to Gartner/IDC, who produce Microsoft ammunition for EDGIJan 17 20:45
schestowitzThen I'll do some h/w dirty tricks and DRM (dirty tricks)Jan 17 20:45
schestowitzWill the Cloud Bubble Burst in 2009? < http://www.ebizq.net/blogs/connectedweb/... >Jan 17 20:45
anivar:-)Jan 17 20:46
twitterCloud burstJan 17 20:47
twitterall I see is vaporsJan 17 20:47
schestowitzI didn't know Ericsson did Android.. Joined the Open Handset Alliance and developing new phone using Android Open Source software <  http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/a... >Jan 17 20:50
schestowitzNext to opensuse's home.. Open Source Data Center Conference 29 -30 April 2009 < http://www.pressebox.de/pressemeldungen/net... > NürnbergJan 17 20:51
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schestowitzHmmmmm... http://www.sdtimes.com/FROM_THE_EDITORS_MICRO... ...... the editor who wrote this mailed me after I had criticised them. it's good that they set things straight by quoting Kuhn, but what's this latest thing about?Jan 17 20:55
schestowitz"The company also needs to get over its incredible hostility toward the GNU General Public License. That’s not to say that Microsoft needs to release any software using GPL. "Jan 17 20:56
schestowitz"Microsoft is the only major software company that totally spurns the license and refuses to engage the Free Software Foundation or the Software Freedom Law Center to find a way to work with GPL-licensed code. Like it or not, GPL-based code is important to the software industry and to Microsoft’s customers."Jan 17 20:56
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schestowitzThis is funny: "That last point is the key. SD Times doesn’t care if Microsoft ever releases any of its software as open source. There’s nothing wrong with Microsoft’s closed-source business model, as its continuing profits, and popularity, with consumers and enterprise customers show."Jan 17 20:57
amd-linuxbecause Ballmer is not a suit but a fanatic drone - remote controlled by gatesJan 17 20:58
schestowitzMany people hate the products, but Microsoft forces them to use these... because of file formats, win32 compatibility etc. He also totally misses the point that interop is code word for "software patents"Jan 17 20:58
amd-linuxand gates still thinks this ih HIS own little baby not the shareholdersJan 17 20:59
schestowitzamd-linux: it's the "Bad Cop" of Gates. They use him to pretend that while the company commits crimes it's only because of a rotten appleJan 17 20:59
amd-linuxwell a company can not commit crime, only people - there are some greedy people inside MSJan 17 21:00
amd-linuxwho do everything to make moneyJan 17 21:00
schestowitzThat's an attitudinal issueJan 17 21:01
amd-linuxi commute everyday with ms employees so I am quite sure that not all of them are as bad as their bossesJan 17 21:01
schestowitzAlso, being a predator is not good for business.Jan 17 21:01
schestowitzThe theory on this is clear and so is the historyJan 17 21:01
amd-linuxand I know that more and more dont understand the fanatism of the upper managment against FOSSJan 17 21:01
schestowitzWhen the corporations were conceived there was loud opposition from conservatives who called it "communism" and dennounced itJan 17 21:02
schestowitzTo treat companies like a human entity is insaneJan 17 21:02
schestowitzAnd here we are with a broken system that makes up 'mending' rules like antitrustJan 17 21:02
schestowitzAnd companies are fooling the world with PR campaign while pillaging.Jan 17 21:02
twitterI will not cry when your commute buddies get fired.Jan 17 21:03
amd-linuxwell i am just using the same train so not really  buddies - actually i dont know them but i listen to their talksJan 17 21:03
twitterit must be sickeningJan 17 21:04
schestowitzProbably notJan 17 21:05
amd-linuxwell it is not in redmond :-) so here they are not as lack and white as in the USJan 17 21:05
schestowitzBut they should not serve a company that violates the lawJan 17 21:05
amd-linuxI met one guy from MSN who uses firefox.... :-)Jan 17 21:05
schestowitzOberying orders for cash or food does not justify the conditions under which these are necessaryJan 17 21:05
amd-linuxtrueJan 17 21:05
schestowitzIf that were the case and you were in Russia, then you might as well join a botnet ringJan 17 21:05
schestowitzIt might even make you richJan 17 21:06
amd-linuxbut me thinks most of them dont know what happened around MSOOXML tcJan 17 21:06
twitterif they find out, they will be firedJan 17 21:06
amd-linuxmany of them consider this just business tactics :-(Jan 17 21:06
schestowitzMany MS employees use Google and FirefoxJan 17 21:06
amd-linuxbut not Ballmers kids :-)Jan 17 21:06
schestowitzThe white-collar typos are nervous to see thisJan 17 21:06
schestowitzI bet he spanks them hardJan 17 21:07
schestowitzBut let's not talk about his personal life....Jan 17 21:07
amd-linuxlolJan 17 21:07
schestowitzBribery is not a busines tacticsJan 17 21:07
twitterwhat makes you think he spends time with his kids?Jan 17 21:07
schestowitzSacking people in _other companies_ (or states) is not business tactisJan 17 21:07
twitterhe's too busy with his big important job for that.Jan 17 21:07
schestowitzExplain to them what happenedJan 17 21:07
schestowitzSome people just clog up their ears and sing lalalalaJan 17 21:08
twitteryou can't talk to themJan 17 21:08
schestowitzA lot of criminal nations are the sameJan 17 21:08
amd-linuxwell if this earns u a nice home....Jan 17 21:08
schestowitzbroadcast helps them rid themselves of guildJan 17 21:08
schestowitz*guiltJan 17 21:08
amd-linuxthen many close their earsJan 17 21:08
twitterIt's like the secretary in Hitler's bunker.  She heard everything but never felt responsible.Jan 17 21:09
schestowitzPeople are easy to programJan 17 21:09
twitterPeople want to believe their leaders and employers no matter how brutal and wrong they are.Jan 17 21:09
amd-linuxhmmm lets not compare MS with Hitler - as a German I have difficulties with thatJan 17 21:09
schestowitzThat's what makes us just high-class chimpanzeesJan 17 21:09
amd-linuxI mean MS is ruthless, but they did not kill 6 million people....Jan 17 21:10
schestowitzMoreJan 17 21:10
schestowitzThere are also the warsJan 17 21:10
twitterthey push patent law and deprive the world of life saving drugsJan 17 21:10
schestowitzSome nations are still invading other countriesJan 17 21:10
schestowitzAnd people are taught that they "Do the Right Thing"Jan 17 21:10
twitterAs an American, I have a lot to learn from people like Hitler's secretary.Jan 17 21:11
schestowitzWT*? Look at this headlne: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microsoft_faces_long_...Jan 17 21:11
twitterI am responsible for Iraq and Gaza.Jan 17 21:11
schestowitzDid Todd attend the presentations from James and Marshall Goldberg?Jan 17 21:11
amd-linuxhehe i like this statsJan 17 21:12
schestowitzYou ought to see hotmail vs gmailJan 17 21:12
schestowitzGoogle might soon be the number 1 E-mail domain :-)Jan 17 21:12
twitterhotmail is dyingJan 17 21:12
schestowitzYesJan 17 21:12
schestowitzPeople leaveJan 17 21:12
schestowitzThere were some posts I did about itJan 17 21:12
schestowitz2 last month. It's been measured..Jan 17 21:13
twitterbbl, I'm going to escape to Wii and my comfortable suburban life for a whileJan 17 21:13
schestowitzThe chart in Bishop's blog is badJan 17 21:13
PetoKrausoh, 2 mailsJan 17 21:13
schestowitzThis comes from a source that's flattering to MSJan 17 21:13
PetoKrausone from virginJan 17 21:13
PetoKrausthis is starting to get funneyJan 17 21:13
schestowitzOthers show a decline from 9% to 5% for MS in a single yearJan 17 21:13
schestowitzBut the MS bloggers won't show it... it's too embarrassing.Jan 17 21:14
schestowitzPetoKraus: Customer Concern?Jan 17 21:14
PetoKrausCustomer Complaints ManagerJan 17 21:14
PetoKrauswe are going up the food chain!Jan 17 21:14
PetoKrausdigital signature, but still, better than it was beforeJan 17 21:15
PetoKrausit still looks like a prefab, thoughJan 17 21:15
PetoKrausthere's better news, thoughJan 17 21:15
schestowitzFood chain?Jan 17 21:15
schestowitzBon appetite, PetoKraus Jan 17 21:15
PetoKraus"I am pleased to inform you that you have been shortlisted for a Club 21 Placement."Jan 17 21:15
PetoKraushell yeah!Jan 17 21:15
schestowitzClub 21?Jan 17 21:16
PetoKrausit's uni work placement networkJan 17 21:16
schestowitzDrinking age in the US?Jan 17 21:16
PetoKrausthis one is in some chemistry company... well paid (€£210 per week)Jan 17 21:16
PetoKraus(well paid for students, that is)Jan 17 21:16
schestowitzbrbJan 17 21:19
schestowitzhttp://www.webhostdir.com/news/showN... "the midst of the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression."Jan 17 21:42
schestowitzSurvey time: http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/surve...Jan 17 21:50
schestowitzKDE on about 35%... :-SJan 17 21:50
amd-linuxdid u see the latest netcraft stats? Apache up more than 1 percentJan 17 21:50
schestowitzApache took off sharplyJan 17 21:50
amd-linuxMS down nearly 1 %Jan 17 21:50
schestowitzAbout 6 months ago it lost some steam perhaps cause MS bribes some more hosts to defectJan 17 21:51
schestowitzEvery since it grew steadily, BUTJan 17 21:51
amd-linuxGodaddyJan 17 21:51
schestowitzThat too... not only...Jan 17 21:51
schestowitzPeople forget that Google's hosting s/w is Apache tooJan 17 21:51
schestowitzThere's a sort of fragmentation dilemma and cannibalisation in FOSSJan 17 21:51
schestowitzMS gave up on it all.. in Apache, like in Linux, almost all programmers are paid and they come from tons of companies that /use/ Apache... I'm posting videos about it in BN these daysJan 17 21:52
amd-linuxI am just happy to see that their efforts didnt pay on the long termJan 17 21:54
amd-linuxiam using apache as an example why the fairytale of MS insecurity caused by its vJan 17 21:54
amd-linuxbroad adoption is just wrongJan 17 21:55
schestowitzhttp://caps.fool.com/blogs/viewpost.aspx?bpid=... "On January 1st, a SourceForge (NASDAQ:LNUX) asset, Linux.com announced they were no longer providing news "...Many of you have commented that our NewsVac section hasn't been refreshed since the middle of last month. Others have noticed that our story volume has dropped off. Changes are coming to Linux.com, and until they arrive, you won't see any new storiJan 17 21:55
schestowitzes on the site."Jan 17 21:55
schestowitzApache is /very/ important. It's a 'market share' myth buster, security myths buster, and "kids in basement" myth busterJan 17 21:55
amd-linuxif this were ture, most apache websites would also e infected as apacheJan 17 21:55
schestowitzYes, GNU/Linux too.Jan 17 21:56
amd-linuxbasically is the backbone of the webJan 17 21:56
schestowitz“Forty percent of servers run Windows, 60 percent run Linux...” Steve Ballmer (September 2008)Jan 17 21:56
schestowitzOMG!!11 it's not less than 1% like Microsoft saysJan 17 21:56
amd-linuxcnet btw is up in arms because of the new EU investigationJan 17 21:57
amd-linuxagainst MS....Jan 17 21:57
amd-linuxbut that might also be something politically - we make quite some money from MS :-)Jan 17 21:58
amd-linux1,7 billion euros as of today just in finesJan 17 21:58
schestowitzAre you referring to Ina Friedshill article?Jan 17 21:58
amd-linuxjust the headline ""like it is 1999"Jan 17 21:59
schestowitzamd-linux: that's money that Microsoft rook away from EU citiczensJan 17 21:59
schestowitzIn terms of business, not just purchasesJan 17 21:59
schestowitzBefore FF, Opera was a superb browserJan 17 21:59
amd-linuxhehe but not from me - Linux since kernel 0.99Jan 17 21:59
schestowitzamd-linux: not just CNETJan 17 21:59
schestowitzI saw many articles like that... all from MS talking heads/pointsJan 17 21:59
schestowitzI posted a few in IRC this morning.Jan 17 22:00
amd-linuxeven heise.de, quite pro FOSS, was wondering whyJan 17 22:00
amd-linuxbut when I saw the problems in S. Korea, I understand what they want to preventJan 17 22:01
schestowitzActiveXJan 17 22:01
amd-linuxTHAT is a monoculture there OMGJan 17 22:01
schestowitzI wrote about it yesterday.. Silver Lie  is similarJan 17 22:01
amd-linuxS. Korea really painted itself in the cornerJan 17 22:02
schestowitzMS employees wanted to stick to standard. PearlyG instructed them /NOT/ to.Jan 17 22:02
amd-linuxthey can just beg MS to kepp up compatibilityJan 17 22:02
amd-linuxhow can a governement sell off its own IT to a foreign companyJan 17 22:03
schestowitzCroniesJan 17 22:03
amd-linuxthe story about Russia using Linux as "national" OS was interestingJan 17 22:04
amd-linuxwe use Linux for hi-sec in our embassies for some yrs nowJan 17 22:04
schestowitzA lot of universities and governments (BECTA for example) fall for similar scams right now.Jan 17 22:05
schestowitzBad engineering is made acceptableJan 17 22:05
schestowitzWhat if planes crashed as often as Windows? (Soft) Bribery need not be the rationale for selecting technology, but often that's just the case.Jan 17 22:05
schestowitzDidn't the German military begin migration to Red Hat?Jan 17 22:06
amd-linuxhttp://www.bsi.bund.de/fachthem/sina/sysb...Jan 17 22:06
amd-linuxGerman language but still interestingJan 17 22:06
amd-linuxunfortunately they are also using SINA for the data maning at the ISPs since beginning of the year hereJan 17 22:07
amd-linuxthey put a SINA box at they backbone routers and it copies all IP addressesJan 17 22:07
amd-linuxits quite tamprproofJan 17 22:08
amd-linuxwell its the law.... George Orwell...Jan 17 22:08
schestowitzIn what sense?Jan 17 22:08
schestowitzThe raising of Tor operators in Germany...?Jan 17 22:09
schestowitz*radingJan 17 22:09
schestowitz*raidingJan 17 22:09
amd-linuxdata mining? its an EU directive, we have to store all IP addressesJan 17 22:09
amd-linuxfor 6 monthsJan 17 22:09
schestowitzYes, it gets worseJan 17 22:09
schestowitzIn the UK they store packet content tooJan 17 22:09
amd-linuxit is stupid as people whp know whtat they want to do will not be caughtJan 17 22:10
schestowitzUK taxpayers fund it with $500 million, IIRC -- to be ALLOCATED to a PRIVATE company.Jan 17 22:10
amd-linuxbut the content industrie is already trying to exploit thisJan 17 22:10
schestowitzThey take away rightsJan 17 22:10
schestowitzThe Brown regime takes away all those right using "terrorism" as an excuse... blinding to their own terrorism to, which they raiseJan 17 22:10
schestowitz*tooJan 17 22:11
amd-linuxhere tooJan 17 22:11
amd-linuxterror and chuld p*rn are their argumentsJan 17 22:11
schestowitzOf courseJan 17 22:11
amd-linuxas if those freaks would not use TOR or paied proxiesJan 17 22:11
schestowitzCan't say "yes" to terrorism and child abuseJan 17 22:12
schestowitzIt makes you one of "them"(C)Jan 17 22:12
schestowitzSo {people whom demand privacy}={perverts and suicide bombers}Jan 17 22:12
amd-linuxbut explain that to a female minister who doesnt know who to spell emailJan 17 22:12
amd-linuxmore or less....Jan 17 22:12
amd-linuxok gotta goJan 17 22:13
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schestowitzI watched a video about the perntagon last nightJan 17 22:13
PetoKrausporntagon?Jan 17 22:13
schestowitzHehe. no. Let me find it.Jan 17 22:13
PetoKrausyeah, that's a good one.Jan 17 22:13
schestowitzhttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u-3ZB_-dM...Jan 17 22:13
schestowitzShe quit her jobs there (go half-way into the video) and she spoke about how they fabricated things that ignore their intelligence findings.Jan 17 22:14
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