| jose_X | thanks for the link Eruaran | Feb 10 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | I'm trying to make a super-concise into to Linux/GNU, for newbies... http://boycottnovell.com/move-to-gnu-linux/ | Feb 10 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | Suggestions would be great. | Feb 10 15:11 |
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| jose_X | there are many kinds of noobs | Feb 10 15:14 |
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| jose_X | some hardly know what "application" or "operating system" mean | Feb 10 15:14 |
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| jose_X | maybe have the first page link to the noob types | Feb 10 15:14 |
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| jose_X | so you might have "i was just barely able to find this page" | Feb 10 15:15 |
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| schestowitz | jose_X: this one targets people who land on BN and don't know Linux | Feb 10 15:15 |
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| schestowitz | People suggested we make this page as quick reference | Feb 10 15:15 |
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| jose_X | what i mean is that you can have many noob pages | Feb 10 15:15 |
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| jose_X | because there are many noob levels | Feb 10 15:15 |
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| schestowitz | I don't want to stoop to kindergarten/BBC noob | Feb 10 15:16 |
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| jose_X | one level might have you speak with almost no jargon and using simple analogies and explaining things like "download" or whatever | Feb 10 15:16 |
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| jose_X | another noob page might be much more practical and maybe aimed at linux noobs but windows developers | Feb 10 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | Like "computers are made from many tiny computers called transistors" | Feb 10 15:16 |
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| jose_X | transistors.. what is that | Feb 10 15:16 |
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| jose_X | seriously though | Feb 10 15:16 |
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| jose_X | ok | Feb 10 15:16 |
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| jose_X | whatever you build | Feb 10 15:16 |
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| jose_X | test it on lpeople in the street | Feb 10 15:16 |
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| toros | hi | Feb 10 15:16 |
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| jose_X | i'll try and contribute to that page roy.. maybe i'll email or else list text here at some point | Feb 10 15:17 |
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| jose_X | you may also want to look at existing noob pages and figure out why those aren't good enough | Feb 10 15:17 |
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| schestowitz | OK, modified | Feb 10 15:18 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, toros, welcome back | Feb 10 15:19 |
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| jose_X | good heavens it took forever to extract the COPYING file .. i think that is it.. is there a license.txt file.. let me check | Feb 10 15:20 |
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| toros | I have written today an article about this topic (in Hungarian): http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/06/mi... | Feb 10 15:22 |
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| schestowitz | host: "Thank you for contacting us. Your site is resolving fine on our end. I can see the server your site was hosted on was recently restarted. This may be the reason you experienced downtime. We do apologize for this and assure you that the server is up and running smoothly now. " | Feb 10 15:22 |
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| toros | I mentioned also Boycott Novell in my article | Feb 10 15:22 |
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| schestowitz | It was actually more than that. Maybe some server panic of some sort of a rogue process, who knows.. | Feb 10 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | toros: thank you! | Feb 10 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | toros: I think I saw that | Feb 10 15:23 |
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| toros | http://mogorvamormota.hu/2009/02/1... | Feb 10 15:23 |
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| toros | this is it... | Feb 10 15:23 |
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| twitter | OK, I'm back. | Feb 10 15:23 |
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| twitter | Mincer, it's not closeness. It was like M$ trying to put the best face on a new failure of theirs. Google beating them to universal mail and calendar service. | Feb 10 15:24 |
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| twitter | I tried to get as many early links as I could find here http://slashdot.org/firehose.p... | Feb 10 15:25 |
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| toros | I think Boycott Novell will be a great source for me in the future :) | Feb 10 15:25 |
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| twitter | merged it with BN's patent story too | Feb 10 15:25 |
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| jose_X | bn is a great source | Feb 10 15:25 |
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| balzac | it's some good shiat | Feb 10 15:25 |
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| twitter | wow, the turfers have already modded me down. | Feb 10 15:25 |
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| MinceR | twitter: still, google shouldn't have talked with them | Feb 10 15:25 |
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| MinceR | everyone else can make that shitty sync tool work without garbage from m$ | Feb 10 15:26 |
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| twitter | I imagine the thing they promised was to not break the sync. | Feb 10 15:26 |
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| twitter | but you are right - it was foolish for Google to trust M$ with anything. | Feb 10 15:27 |
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| balzac | what did google trust M$ with? | Feb 10 15:27 |
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| twitter | I see a longer term strategy. Google gets exchange sync working with their service on all mobile devices. M$ breaks their part of the sync, despite a promise not to. Google sells a replacement for Exchange - check mate. | Feb 10 15:28 |
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| twitter | M$ and Google have already had a few exchanges about services being broken. I read about chrome having hotmail problems that Google fixed by changing their user agent for hotmail to Safari. | Feb 10 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | http://translate.google.com/translate?sour... | Feb 10 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: it's about making Exchange protocols the de facto standards, so it's bad | Feb 10 15:36 |
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| schestowitz | toros: Matt Asay is not a "software expert" | Feb 10 15:36 |
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| schestowitz | He's a lawyer and he can't code (he doesn't comment much on technical things, either) | Feb 10 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe it's a bad translation from Hungarian. it says: "Matt Asay (known to be a software expert)" This is funny to me :-) | Feb 10 15:37 |
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| toros | thanks | Feb 10 15:38 |
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| toros | The Hungarian sentence means something like "Expert on area of free software" | Feb 10 15:39 |
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| toros | so it means more like a guy, who knows what is free software about, not really software expert | Feb 10 15:42 |
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| toros | (It's pretty hard to translate from Hungarian into English because they are pretty different languages) | Feb 10 15:43 |
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| schestowitz | Last night I finished accommodating the Wiki with most of the memos | Feb 10 15:43 |
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| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki has ome goodies I ought to add as well. | Feb 10 15:43 |
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| schestowitz | toros: he knows companies and s/w politics in his areas | Feb 10 15:44 |
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| schestowitz | He's an exec, not an engineer. He's also apt at writing clearly and understanding relationships | Feb 10 15:44 |
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| toros | thanks for the info | Feb 10 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | Is this Digg's founder, a software thief and a patent troll that takes pride in it (nathanm)? http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurve... | Feb 10 15:49 |
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| MinceR | it would fit the founder of a hive of apple fanboys | Feb 10 15:50 |
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| schestowitz | Digg has been b0rked for days | Feb 10 15:50 |
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| schestowitz | Things keep blowing up like 20% of the same (bad pageloads) | Feb 10 15:50 |
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| schestowitz | I guess Kevin Rose won't like my next two submission about biillg | Feb 10 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | First one: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Impressed_b... | Feb 10 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | web, _doug | Feb 10 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | *wb | Feb 10 15:52 |
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| _doug | ? | Feb 10 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: we're making big sites these days, so it's working out well | Feb 10 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | I've also populated the Wiki with many more coming. | Feb 10 15:52 |
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| jose_X | comes was a jackpot | Feb 10 15:54 |
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| _doug | Get a load of this .. | Feb 10 15:55 |
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| _doug | http://tech.slashdot.org/article... | Feb 10 15:55 |
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| jose_X | combined with bn's stash.. it's providing very interesting material... which is backed by hard evidence | Feb 10 15:55 |
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| _doug | and compare to this .. | Feb 10 15:55 |
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| _doug | http://www.pcworld.com/article/1591... | Feb 10 15:55 |
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| schestowitz | jose_X: not "was"... "is"..."will be" | Feb 10 15:55 |
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| schestowitz | We've only scratched the surface | Feb 10 15:55 |
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| schestowitz | This one isn't splendid, but it has a chance: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Impressed_b... | Feb 10 15:56 |
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| _doug | "Firefox exec: we don't want to be bundled with Windows" | Feb 10 15:56 |
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| jose_X | i hope it's not too too difficult for you.. because the output many times is sure interesting to read | Feb 10 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: yes, old news | Feb 10 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | The lizard blogged it on Friday. | Feb 10 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | Whoa... wait... this isn't the same Firefox development... this is newer | Feb 10 15:57 |
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| _doug | a comment by one man gets elivated into 'Firefox executives' | Feb 10 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | Yes.. | Feb 10 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | Faker? | Feb 10 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | Mozilla JOINED against Microsoft. Contradiction here....... | Feb 10 15:58 |
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| _doug | not exactly, just ask the right question to get the quote you want .. | Feb 10 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | And they also got rid of the Microsofter.. Window Snyder. | Feb 10 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: yes, like ISO about its corruption. | Feb 10 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | "Yes" or "not No" | Feb 10 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | \ | Feb 10 15:59 |
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| _doug | 'there isn't "the single smallest iota of doubt" that Microsoft's tying of IE to Windows "harms competition between web browsers' | Feb 10 15:59 |
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| _doug | it's very co-indencila that the first quote came just before the second ? | Feb 10 16:00 |
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| jose_X | i'd love to see the process repeated with all msware | Feb 10 16:00 |
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| jose_X | what do you mean _doug? | Feb 10 16:01 |
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| _doug | an d meanwhile .. | Feb 10 16:01 |
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| twitter | duh, forbidding OEMs to install other browsers and technical sabotage are the only thing that made people use IE | Feb 10 16:01 |
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| _doug | 'French fighter planes grounded by computer virus .. The aircraft were unable to download their flight plans after databases were infected by a Microsoft virus' | Feb 10 16:01 |
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| _doug | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/eur... | Feb 10 16:01 |
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| twitter | doh | Feb 10 16:02 |
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| jose_X | bn hit that already | Feb 10 16:02 |
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| jose_X | right? | Feb 10 16:02 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, Sunday I think. | Feb 10 16:02 |
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| twitter | I wish they would call it the Windows virus that it is. | Feb 10 16:02 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco brought it up | Feb 10 16:03 |
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| twitter | oh wow, they actually called it a "Microsoft virus" | Feb 10 16:03 |
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| mib_eydvpi | boycott novell? | Feb 10 16:04 |
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| mib_eydvpi | are they even relevant anymore? | Feb 10 16:04 |
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| schestowitz | I'm seeing new libel in USENET | Feb 10 16:04 |
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| twitter | what now? | Feb 10 16:04 |
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| schestowitz | The Microsoft Munchkins now spread the lie that I'm a "pedophile" and "gay" and all sorts of madness. | Feb 10 16:04 |
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| schestowitz | They have been out of control with libel since BN made it into Digg | Feb 10 16:04 |
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| mib_eydvpi | lol | Feb 10 16:04 |
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| jose_X | that is weak and desperate | Feb 10 16:04 |
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| mib_eydvpi | are you going to try to sue for libel based on comments made online? | Feb 10 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | mib_97ne5a: novell is still relevant | Feb 10 16:05 |
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| mib_eydvpi | isnt that a little like running in the special olympics? | Feb 10 16:05 |
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| jose_X | roy documents | Feb 10 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | It's relevant where Linux direction is concerned, thus the problem | Feb 10 16:05 |
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| _doug | There *is* really no point in responding to the abuse .. | Feb 10 16:05 |
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| mib_eydvpi | ah ok, didnt know - thx for the lowdown | Feb 10 16:05 |
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| _doug | http://www.databreaches.net/ | Feb 10 16:05 |
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| mib_eydvpi | thought all that was ancient history by now | Feb 10 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | mib_97ne5a: they post from proxies and all.. | Feb 10 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | They've done this BS for /years/ | Feb 10 16:06 |
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| _doug | schestowitz: don't expend energy in even thinking about it .. | Feb 10 16:06 |
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| jose_X | mib_eydvpi, go ahead and get everything out of your system quickly so we can address it and keep going | Feb 10 16:06 |
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| mib_eydvpi | i havent really played with linux in years | Feb 10 16:06 |
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| mib_eydvpi | used to dev on red hat 7 back in the day | Feb 10 16:06 |
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| jose_X | and.. | Feb 10 16:06 |
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| jose_X | and.. | Feb 10 16:06 |
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| mib_eydvpi | ubuntu seems ok tho | Feb 10 16:06 |
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| schestowitz | Damn | Feb 10 16:07 |
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| jose_X | fine great | Feb 10 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | The Munchkins do this not just to me | Feb 10 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | I see they use the same "pedophile" libel against other people | Feb 10 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | They try to fumigate participants | Feb 10 16:07 |
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| mib_eydvpi | paedo | Feb 10 16:07 |
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| _doug | "Microsoft has confirmed that arch rival Google has joined the ranks of companies licensing its technology" | Feb 10 16:07 |
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| _doug | http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/246953/micr... | Feb 10 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: you're right, thanksl. | Feb 10 16:07 |
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| _doug | from the same source as that Firefox executives don't mind msBundling .. :) | Feb 10 16:08 |
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| mib_eydvpi | ho hum | Feb 10 16:08 |
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| _doug | "Google's licensing of these Microsoft patents relating to the Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync protocol is a clear acknowledgment of the innovation taking place at Microsoft," | Feb 10 16:08 |
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| _doug | haaaaaa .. | Feb 10 16:08 |
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| mib_eydvpi | didnt they buy activesync from a third party? | Feb 10 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | "http://digg.com/linux_unix/Impressed_by_Ope..." | Feb 10 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | Oops.; | Feb 10 16:09 |
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| _doug | how caan you patent a protocol ? | Feb 10 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | Wrong paste | Feb 10 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | "For a claim like the one you made you would do time here. You are in | Feb 10 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | *very* hot waters now" | Feb 10 16:09 |
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| mib_eydvpi | ah fuck it, you guys are boring | Feb 10 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | Dr. Kolmann has just threatened to sue the bugegrs. | Feb 10 16:09 |
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| _doug | "This agreement is also a great example of Microsoft's openness to generally license our patents under fair and reasonable terms so long as licensees respect Microsoft intellectual property." | Feb 10 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | *h | Feb 10 16:09 |
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| *MinceR innovates a protocol | Feb 10 16:09 |
| jose_X | _doug, you create patents such that when you employ the protocol, you necessarily duplicate the methods patented | Feb 10 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | Lots of the Novell trolls just do their hit-and-run thing with MIB | Feb 10 16:10 |
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| MinceR | "it's just like HTTP, except you must specify a "MyNewInnovativeProtocol: yes" header" | Feb 10 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer_ used to block MIB for this reasons | Feb 10 16:10 |
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| *MinceR files a patent | Feb 10 16:10 |
| _doug | I would assume you can impliment the protocol without troding on anyones 'patented intellectual property' | Feb 10 16:10 |
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| jose_X | please consider contributing the patent for the protection of Foss.. MinceR? | Feb 10 16:11 |
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| _doug | "Microsoft is launching its own mobile sync service, called My Phone, at the Mobile World Congress next week." | Feb 10 16:11 |
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| _doug | me to, me to, me to !!! | Feb 10 16:11 |
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| MinceR | jose_X: now that would defeat the purpose of "innovating protocols", wouldn't it? :> | Feb 10 16:11 |
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| jose_X | I would not want to deprive you come to think of it.. sorry i asked.. (feeling embarrassed) | Feb 10 16:12 |
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| MinceR | :) | Feb 10 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | jose_X: LOL | Feb 10 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | OIN is such a messy pseudo-solution | Feb 10 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | It's the way sw patents supporter pretend to 'solve' the problem | Feb 10 16:14 |
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| jose_X | but please don't let me slow down the pace of innovation. | Feb 10 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | Same with Linux 'Defenders' and other "donate your timer to broken system" programmes | Feb 10 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | Speaking of 'innovating' APIs, I assume jose_X will do some writings about it..? | Feb 10 16:15 |
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| schestowitz | What if HTTP was patented? By whom? And 8-bit encoding of chars... | Feb 10 16:16 |
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| jose_X | i have considered pretending i was a lawyer for a day and writing up a "patch" to the patent law (title 35 usc i think) to create exceptions that would cover foss.. and submitting this to the obama website since they encourage this sort of contribution | Feb 10 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | Every time you type, you owe me a cent | Feb 10 16:16 |
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| jose_X | schestowitz, i thought i'd put it off, but today i was thinking through how i might structure part 2 | Feb 10 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | 1 billion internet users x 2000 keystrokes/day x 1 cents/patent violation = $20 billion per day. Ka-shing | Feb 10 16:17 |
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| _doug | anyone here take a look at the BN Wiki ? | Feb 10 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: it's not public yet | Feb 10 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | It needs polishing | Feb 10 16:18 |
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| jose_X | lol, schestowitz i thought you were criticizing people here for giving only their one cent's worth | Feb 10 16:18 |
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| jose_X | instead of 2 cents | Feb 10 16:18 |
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| toros | I'm leaving... see you later! | Feb 10 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | Ideas -> greed | Feb 10 16:18 |
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| jose_X | ok | Feb 10 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | Why do people not take pride in inspiring others? | Feb 10 16:18 |
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| _doug | not public, how so ? | Feb 10 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | Writers write to be read by others, not just money | Feb 10 16:19 |
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| MinceR | because of the most popular religion: money. | Feb 10 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | Researchers like peer acknowledgment. | Feb 10 16:19 |
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| jose_X | let me bring up that comment from the a-list blogging article | Feb 10 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | Coders like to see their apps used and artists want crowds in the streets to appreciate their work | Feb 10 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | Then there's those conglomerates like AP, who chase people for 'stalking' Obama's face | Feb 10 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | *stealing | Feb 10 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: it's not a religion, it's a form of power | Feb 10 16:20 |
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| MinceR | the religion part is that its acquisition at all costs more important than everything else in the world | Feb 10 16:21 |
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| jose_X | "The weak, those whose prime devotion is getting rich, getting famous, getting laid, or getting approval will be culled. In the end, as in the beginning, it’s about purity and (some type of) artistic integrity. " | Feb 10 16:21 |
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| jose_X | just prior to that quote is this: | Feb 10 16:21 |
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| jose_X | >> Blogging has reached a crucial moment in its evolution, one where competition for money, credibility, and attention has never been fiercer. | Feb 10 16:21 |
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| jose_X | I should have added that context before | Feb 10 16:22 |
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| jose_X | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009... roy posted this earlier | Feb 10 16:22 |
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| MinceR | i think calling Asay an "expert" is a grave overstatement. | Feb 10 16:22 |
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| twitter | ah, but those crazy people in the west do it for fun. | Feb 10 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: BTW, the picture here... http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/09/m... .... that's Ballmer in Hungary after the egg-tossing. I grabbed a shot from one of the videos | Feb 10 16:23 |
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| twitter | paraphrase of a Greek statement made about why Persians gave up conquest of the west. | Feb 10 16:23 |
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| _doug | yet more seeding of slashdot .. | Feb 10 16:23 |
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| _doug | http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=3375157 | Feb 10 16:23 |
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| twitter | spamming? | Feb 10 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | I think the Gates OOo item will make FP as well... and I have another one about Gates' anti-Linux at Intel exhibit | Feb 10 16:23 |
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| MinceR | :) | Feb 10 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | They're like cannonballs. | Feb 10 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | EU wants protocols with "INNOVA~1" http://www.computerworlduk.com/community... | Feb 10 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | innovation-encumbered standards... monopoly-laden | Feb 10 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | Vietnam to widely use open source software < http://billyduc.wordpress.com/2009/02... > | Feb 10 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | Good post: http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009... | Feb 10 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, lolorific | Feb 10 16:30 |
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| lolorific | hi guys | Feb 10 16:30 |
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| lolorific | came across your site from digg; interesting stuff | Feb 10 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | Silly OSS sites are still peddling Black Duck Software.. not realising it was created by MS person, spreads FUD, makes non-Free s/w..... *sigh* | Feb 10 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | lolorific: thanks. We always find it valuable to hear from more people. That's how we come up with post ideas. | Feb 10 16:33 |
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| _doug | Cloud computing with Linux .. | Feb 10 16:33 |
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| _doug | http://tinyurl.com/d9lzf8 | Feb 10 16:33 |
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| lolorific | where do you get most of your material from though? It's quite impressive | Feb 10 16:33 |
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| zer0c00l | oh my god sonicwall blocks tinyurl under "hacking and proxy avoidance" | Feb 10 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | You can help us | Feb 10 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: not fair | Feb 10 16:34 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: yeah | Feb 10 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | Coral is blocked at my gym too.. so can't access BN via proxy | Feb 10 16:34 |
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| _doug | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library... | Feb 10 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | lolorific: seee http://boycottnovell.com/wiki | Feb 10 16:35 |
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| zer0c00l | _doug: thanks | Feb 10 16:35 |
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| _doug | we are good at finding things :) | Feb 10 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | We could use help extracting the full text from exhibits. Then they can be posted | Feb 10 16:35 |
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| _doug | lorific: what do you want to know ? | Feb 10 16:35 |
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| lolorific | tell me. I'm bored anyway :p | Feb 10 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | See http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/inde... | Feb 10 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | I have two PDFs there that needs their contents as plain text | Feb 10 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/upl... (Linux discussed) | Feb 10 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/upl... (investment in Linux) | Feb 10 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | There is already OCR in there, but there are OCR errors that need cleaning up | Feb 10 16:37 |
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| lolorific | ok, i'm not that bored :D | Feb 10 16:37 |
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| _doug | lolorific: do you have the time to spare ? | Feb 10 16:38 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: here goverment has shifted an important IAS officer, who introduced GNU/LINUX in education | Feb 10 16:38 |
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| zer0c00l | his name is UMA SHANKAR | Feb 10 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: shifted? | Feb 10 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | Not shafted, right? | Feb 10 16:39 |
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| schestowitz | See http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/... (Linux discussed) | Feb 10 16:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content... (investment in Linux) | Feb 10 16:39 |
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| zer0c00l | its kind of shafted | Feb 10 16:39 |
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| _doug | I do believe it's important to keep an accurate archine ... | Feb 10 16:39 |
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| zer0c00l | seems like dirty politics | Feb 10 16:39 |
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| zer0c00l | i can send the details , do you want me to? | Feb 10 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/upl... Short one... BIllG et al on Linux | Feb 10 16:40 |
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| zer0c00l | he is the former CEO of www.elcot.in | Feb 10 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: yes, please | Feb 10 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | ELCOT did well | Feb 10 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | It ought not to have done with SUSE though | Feb 10 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | And Microsoft cronies in India will try to 'pull a Quinn' on such people | Feb 10 16:41 |
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| _doug | "Has Intel briefed you on the O0en Source development venture they are planning? Does Compaq have any plans to participate in this?", Aug 2000 | Feb 10 16:42 |
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| _doug | Is it legal, MS leaning on other 'independent' companies to not use open source ? | Feb 10 16:42 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 10 16:43 |
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| schestowitz | Anti-compeittive | Feb 10 16:43 |
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| schestowitz | Other exhibits show this too | Feb 10 16:43 |
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| _doug | 'this is a push to make Linux a main stream operating system' | Feb 10 16:44 |
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| _doug | makes you wonder why the DOJ agreed on a do-not-bundle-IExplorer settlement | Feb 10 16:45 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: yeah ELCOT did well, Mr.Umashankar is a supporter of free software | Feb 10 16:46 |
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| _doug | gtg .. | Feb 10 16:48 |
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| *_doug has quit () | Feb 10 16:48 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: not good :-) he's not supporter of abusing/looting people... that can't work in politics. | Feb 10 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | OSI photo: http://flickr.com/photos/brjavaman/3236925322/ | Feb 10 16:50 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: read about his negotiation with M$ http://www.elcot.in/Studen... | Feb 10 16:55 |
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| schestowitz | "ELCOT does not accept the marketing concept called 'academic edition'." | Feb 10 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | 'academic edition = EDGI | Feb 10 16:56 |
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| zer0c00l | oh | Feb 10 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | Today: http://www.itwire.com/content... "Gates has also, in the past, confirmed how important piracy is to Microsoft: "Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, but people don't pay for the software... Someday they will, though. As long as they are going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next de | Feb 10 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | cade." " | Feb 10 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | Upgrading from Vista to Windows XP < http://www.itwire.com/conte... >. But Stan Beet!! What about GNU/Linux?? | Feb 10 16:58 |
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| lolorific | it's the apps though. Sure if you could magically switch an entire ecosystem to Linux, a lot would IMO | Feb 10 17:02 |
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| *zer0c00l says regular browsing hours for other students starts, i cannot even load google :( | Feb 10 17:02 |
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| schestowitz | Wine helps most peole | Feb 10 17:02 |
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| lolorific | I expect you'll see more apps that support "wine" rather than "windows" now it's hit v1+ | Feb 10 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | Specialised apps are the 'luxury' of a minority, albeit not those among us 'techies' | Feb 10 17:03 |
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| lolorific | utorrent for example | Feb 10 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | Wine may have better Windows compatibility than Vista7 | Feb 10 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | I never use Wine, so I can only judge based on what I read on that matter | Feb 10 17:04 |
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| lolorific | yeah it's ok. Could be the lubricant that starts the slipping | Feb 10 17:04 |
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| lolorific | early days yet though | Feb 10 17:04 |
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| lolorific | but still, most people I know don't care about OS's, just the apps on-top, hence Wine could be crucial | Feb 10 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | Oh boy | Feb 10 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | MS astroturfers attack BN again | Feb 10 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | Nymshifting too | Feb 10 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | The guy who was banned from LinuxToday | Feb 10 17:06 |
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| zer0c00l | where they attack ? | Feb 10 17:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/07/... | Feb 10 17:08 |
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| schestowitz | I'll inform LinuxToday maybe. | Feb 10 17:08 |
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| schestowitz | These people flood Linux sites... same people, multiple names, name insults. | Feb 10 17:08 |
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| *zer0c00l says i played Age of empires with wine once (2 years back ) | Feb 10 17:09 |
| schestowitz | I tried it with some apps a few years back. | Feb 10 17:10 |
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| lolorific | wow works quite well aparently | Feb 10 17:12 |
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| jose_X | roy, banning people is not a great idea | Feb 10 17:13 |
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| jose_X | i know that guy takes up a lot of others' time | Feb 10 17:13 |
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| jose_X | when we reply | Feb 10 17:13 |
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| jose_X | in this last case, he is making a comment related to patenting | Feb 10 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: the mails you sent me are private, right? No public mailing list.... | Feb 10 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | jose_X: No, no banning | Feb 10 17:14 |
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| jose_X | i don't like or agree with what he says, but isn't it basically better people have their say and be shown the problems with what they are saying? | Feb 10 17:14 |
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| zer0c00l | its from public mailing list | Feb 10 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | But I'd rather flag the Munchkins when they nymshift and not reply to their provocation | Feb 10 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | LinuxToday banned this one | Feb 10 17:14 |
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| zer0c00l | its taken from "egovindia" yahoo group | Feb 10 17:15 |
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| jose_X | >> I can see your IP and I can see where you’re coming from. Microsoft AstroTurfing is not permitted in this Web site and you were already banned from LinuxToday for doing the same thing. | Feb 10 17:15 |
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| jose_X | it seems you are hinting that they may be banned if they do something (what?) | Feb 10 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: so... what to do to expose this? | Feb 10 17:15 |
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| lolorific | make a sad face :( | Feb 10 17:16 |
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| jose_X | btw, i didn't know lt had banned this person.. i saw comments just last week i think | Feb 10 17:16 |
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| lolorific | every time | Feb 10 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | jose_X: no, just pointing out that's he's a recognised and confirmed troll. | Feb 10 17:16 |
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| jose_X | alright.. great | Feb 10 17:16 |
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| lolorific | who we talking about anyway? | Feb 10 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | jose_X: she said she'd banned him and she deleted his old comments | Feb 10 17:16 |
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| zer0c00l | dave | Feb 10 17:16 |
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| lolorific | Fucking Dave* | Feb 10 17:16 |
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| zer0c00l | lolorific: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/07/disto... | Feb 10 17:16 |
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| lolorific | *may not know who he is :p | Feb 10 17:16 |
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| jose_X | that's sad deleting old comments.. don't see why | Feb 10 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | jose_X: I know... | Feb 10 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TechFlash_To... | Feb 10 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | Reason not to use Feedburner..... | Feb 10 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | "The server encountered a temporary error and could not complete your request." | Feb 10 17:19 |
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| jose_X | darryl/dave is going to spin everything ms's way.. at least initially. | Feb 10 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | "Microsoft touts Google deal as 'clear' sign of its own innovation" | Feb 10 17:19 |
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| jose_X | i don't use facebook but it's growing i suppose | Feb 10 17:19 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: http://torvalds-family.blogspot.co... is linus a fan of M$ products? | Feb 10 17:20 |
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| jose_X | google deal is clear sign of uspto monopoly-granting powers.. that courts turn back so many patents shows the uspto is understaffed. | Feb 10 17:20 |
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| jose_X | and not all-knowing | Feb 10 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | Linus is like one of those 3 monkeys. He doesn't want to know. | Feb 10 17:21 |
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| jose_X | not to mention the us patent laws are a joke | Feb 10 17:21 |
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| zer0c00l | hahaha | Feb 10 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | Mark Shuttleworth values my opinion, so I hope he's watching closely... he too is trying to be 'nice' to Microsoft so that he can get codecs and nonsense... like 'innva~1' | Feb 10 17:21 |
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| jose_X | i won't judge linus even though i don't like a lot of that stuff he says | Feb 10 17:21 |
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| jose_X | he deals with and depends on these people daily | Feb 10 17:22 |
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| jose_X | not to justify his views | Feb 10 17:22 |
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| jose_X | or like them | Feb 10 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | Marc Fleury is the same as Linus | Feb 10 17:22 |
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| jose_X | what is important is for noobs not to think that linus is the voice of the community wrt licensing wisdom | Feb 10 17:22 |
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| jose_X | devs just want to have fun | Feb 10 17:22 |
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| *zer0c00l agrees with jose_X | Feb 10 17:23 |
| jose_X | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVwFeQpy_Us | Feb 10 17:23 |
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| zer0c00l | i saw on a microsoft site about linus comments about "Visual basic" | Feb 10 17:23 |
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| jose_X | what was the comment.. i'm waiting..... | Feb 10 17:24 |
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| zer0c00l | i have to load ctunnel (proxy to view youtube videos ) youtube blocked here :X | Feb 10 17:24 |
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| jose_X | 80s song | Feb 10 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | VIsta still refused in high-end systems.. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/10/... | Feb 10 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | "For PR support in that campaign, Microsoft turned to LMG, a secretive Washington DC public affairs firm that specializes in astroturf campaigns. Thompson and Vogelstein expect the anti-Google campaign to intensify in 2009, with a focus on painting the company as a threat to personal privacy." http://prwatch.org/node/8199 | Feb 10 17:30 |
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| *zer0c00l says finally i made drupal, mysql and phpmyadmin to work | Feb 10 17:32 |
| schestowitz | More new astroturfs: http://prwatch.org/node/8203 | Feb 10 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | How are these things legal if they are clearly corrupt, subversive and unethical? | Feb 10 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | I've just looked at BN stats. I reckon that without caching off site we'd be doing millions of hits/day | Feb 10 17:35 |
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| lolorific | i'm off guys; catch you all later | Feb 10 17:35 |
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| lolorific | keep up the good work | Feb 10 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | 369172 hits in the past 12 hours depsite downtime (excluding caching in Coral and exc. bots and SEs too) | Feb 10 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | A Jailhouse Interview with Terry Childs < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159206... > | Feb 10 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | Another XBox disaster happening at this moment?? http://www.pcworld.com/article/15920... | Feb 10 17:50 |
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| jose_X | if it gets bloody, i hope google also fires back with privacy issues and microsoft. | Feb 10 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, indeed. | Feb 10 17:53 |
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| zer0c00l | Apples new fanboy movie : http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/4712138/... | Feb 10 17:53 |
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| zer0c00l | Welcome To Macintosh | Feb 10 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://slated.org/microsoft_kills_baby | Feb 10 17:53 |
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| jose_X | schestowitz, you may be interested: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/China-mon... | Feb 10 17:54 |
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| jose_X | China monthly auto sales overtake US for 1st time | Feb 10 17:54 |
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| schestowitz | China is the new empire | Feb 10 17:54 |
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| schestowitz | The US will kill as many kids as necessary to control the world's oil resources | Feb 10 17:54 |
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| schestowitz | Power (in the mateerial sense) is power (political sense)... they want to control the world through implicit extortion. | Feb 10 17:55 |
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| schestowitz | Sega Chops 560 Jobs, Nixes 110 "Amusement Facilities" < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159253/seg... > | Feb 10 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | Spansion Japan Files for Bankruptcy Protection < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159252/spans... > | Feb 10 17:58 |
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| jose_X | no wonder the xbox team is not creating hardware for life/death situations | Feb 10 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: I hear Japan is hit badly. | Feb 10 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | My dad reckons the Big Bang hasn't come yet. | Feb 10 17:59 |
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| jose_X | the letter moody sent to the ietf | Feb 10 18:12 |
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| jose_X | what he says we should do: "Please don't forget: you need to do this *today*." | Feb 10 18:13 |
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| jose_X | ie, send our own letter. | Feb 10 18:13 |
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| jose_X | link | Feb 10 18:13 |
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| jose_X | http://www.computerworlduk.com/communit... | Feb 10 18:13 |
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| jose_X | this is a repeat from earlier irc | Feb 10 18:13 |
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| jose_X | schestowitz, the pdfs you linked.. you also said there was an initial ocr.. what are those links? | Feb 10 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | Cool. | Feb 10 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-c... (Linux discussed) | Feb 10 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-co... (investment in Linux) | Feb 10 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | I just need the texts... then I can post in turn. Carla really likes them. | Feb 10 18:15 |
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| jose_X | ocr | Feb 10 18:16 |
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| jose_X | or would that slow us down? | Feb 10 18:16 |
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| jose_X | .. back to moody and ietf... | Feb 10 18:16 |
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| jose_X | >> he FSF is again issuing an alert and request for comments to be sent urgently and prior to the February 11 deadline | Feb 10 18:16 |
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| jose_X | >> to ietf@ietf.org | Feb 10 18:16 |
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| jose_X | >> Please include us in your message by a CC to campaigns@fsf.org. | Feb 10 18:16 |
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| jose_X | and don't forget.. | Feb 10 18:17 |
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| jose_X | >> You should also expect an automated reply from ietf@ietf.org, which you will need to answer to confirm your original message. | Feb 10 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-technology/fa... FAA says Hackers broke into agency computers | Feb 10 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | Time for them to hurry up ditching WIndows | Feb 10 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | I have a post in BN slamming them for Windows | Feb 10 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | FAA bought from MS IIRC | Feb 10 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20090203/0304073621.shtml (Directors Admit They 'Steal' Ideas... But Most People Recognize That As Inspiration) | Feb 10 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft plays catch up to MobileMe with My Phone < http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/02/09/... > | Feb 10 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/mi... (Firefox chief: Windows-IE bundling still stifles competition) | Feb 10 18:27 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, what does "quaking" mean? | Feb 10 18:45 |
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| trmanco | forget it, found it in a dictionary | Feb 10 18:46 |
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| schestowitz | like quake but verb | Feb 10 18:46 |
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| jose_X | as in to shake, right? | Feb 10 18:47 |
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| trmanco | yes | Feb 10 18:47 |
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| trmanco | shake | Feb 10 18:47 |
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| jose_X | intransitive verb though.. to be shaking.. but not to shake something else.. i don't think you quake something | Feb 10 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | Does anyone have quick code to append JS checked for MSIE? | Feb 10 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | I want to display GNU/Linux promotion if the visitor uses MSIE (about 10% of BN visitors) | Feb 10 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmm... http://www.echoecho.com/javascript6.htm ...... never mind... I think it's offensive to be told "Use Y" if you prefer X to access the site. | Feb 10 19:03 |
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| MinceR | it's also offensive to be DDoSed by windows zombies. | Feb 10 19:06 |
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| MinceR | i think a standard yellow alert bar is in order. :> | Feb 10 19:06 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but that's separate | Feb 10 19:06 |
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| schestowitz | No, I was thinking about "upgrade to GNU/Linux" banner | Feb 10 19:07 |
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| schestowitz | Simple JS print("<img whatever />") | Feb 10 19:07 |
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| MinceR | :) | Feb 10 19:07 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe one between each post... hypnosis.. | Feb 10 19:08 |
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| schestowitz | Pics of RMS... j/k | Feb 10 19:08 |
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| jose_X | yeah, I hope you are kidding | Feb 10 19:10 |
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| jose_X | :-) | Feb 10 19:10 |
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| jose_X | I like "upgrade to ..." here or there, not sure where. | Feb 10 19:10 |
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| schestowitz | Almost 1000 Diggs < http://digg.com/linux_unix/B... > and anothr front pager coming :-) http://digg.com/linux_unix/Impressed_by_Open... | Feb 10 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | gtg bbl | Feb 10 19:14 |
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| balzac | I've said it before: you're the man now dog! | Feb 10 19:15 |
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| balzac | Bill Gates should have used that opportunity when Kevin Rose was there to bribe him to squash your Digg submissions. | Feb 10 19:16 |
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| balzac | Gates missed an opportunity. | Feb 10 19:16 |
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| jose_X | anyone that want some background music.. there is the tried and true http://www.youtube.com/watch... courtesy of a digg comment | Feb 10 19:19 |
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| trmanco | ICQ channel? omg, A person called this channel an ICQ channel? geesh | Feb 10 19:37 |
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| trmanco | http://tech.slashdot.org/article.... | Feb 10 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | I see under "Related Videos" in YouTube that "Adolf Ballmer" has grown popular. Doesn't Godwin's Law apply here? | Feb 10 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: the Munchkins in COLA deliberately not call it IRC. | Feb 10 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | ICQ is the reason I left IRC when I was about 15 | Feb 10 21:23 |
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| trmanco | I wonder why... is AOL somewhat affiliated with microfoot? | Feb 10 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | The off clock will hopefully not v0rn anything. y2^h^h^h^k | Feb 10 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: they have their similarities | Feb 10 21:25 |
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| trmanco | hmm, thought so | Feb 10 21:27 |
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| schestowitz | AOL to Microsoft: Yahoo bid “a mistake” http://techland.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2... | Feb 10 21:29 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft shifts its search to AOL http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman... | Feb 10 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.theonion.com/content/video... | Feb 10 21:32 |
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| trmanco | hilarious | Feb 10 21:37 |
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| MinceR | rotfl | Feb 10 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | Otellini unveils $7 billion Intel plan for 32nm < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news... > | Feb 10 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | "Microsoft gets 10,000th patent - http://is.gd/j2fQ. And, my, just *look* at all the innovation in its products." http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/1196222061 You can almost *TOUCH* the INNOVA~1 | Feb 10 21:58 |
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| jose_X | can't stay long.. wanted to post the majority of the letter I wrote the ietf.. these are the people that standardize almost every important internet protocol (open) that has been created. | Feb 10 22:02 |
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| jose_X | ip, tcp, ... everything | Feb 10 22:03 |
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| jose_X | ... | Feb 10 22:03 |
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| jose_X | I want to register opposition to the proposed patent-encumbered standard for TLS authorization. | Feb 10 22:03 |
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| jose_X | Supporting patent encumbered standards makes absolutely zero sense. The support such a standard would get would probably be because of ignorance. | Feb 10 22:03 |
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| jose_X | Please take a look at http://boycottnovell.com/2009... . That discussion (in progress) may not surprise the IETF, but ask how anyone could support that sort of nonsense as an open source software developer? | Feb 10 22:03 |
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| jose_X | Open source software has been and will continue to be an important part of the Internet. Standards that aren't compatible with the most popular open source licenses (eg, the GPL) are an insult to the many hard-working open source developers world-wide. | Feb 10 22:03 |
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| jose_X | Again, since it's very possible (and sometimes ridiculously easy) to circumvent many types of patents, but only if one designs for this from the beginning and doesn't allow themselves to be taken for a ride, I can't imagine the FOSS community or many others supporting a patent encumbered standard except out of ignorance. Why run a race you can't win, when there are so many other interesting races to be run? | Feb 10 22:03 |
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| jose_X | glyn moody's article and sample letter http://www.computerworlduk.com/community... | Feb 10 22:04 |
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| jose_X | not exactly a "professional" email, but it should count for something. | Feb 10 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | I got mails of another person's comments to them | Feb 10 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | They'll get loads | Feb 10 22:05 |
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| jose_X | moody said to post today | Feb 10 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | jose_X: yes, it's good | Feb 10 22:06 |
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| jose_X | don't know if he meant today literally or not | Feb 10 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | Better than those death threat letters PJ gets | Feb 10 22:06 |
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| jose_X | send to ietf@ietf.org | Feb 10 22:06 |
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| jose_X | optionally cc to campaigns@fsf.org | Feb 10 22:07 |
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| jose_X | anything would help i think | Feb 10 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | Everything's down, but the open Web is up: Online Radio Grows 37 Percent < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/... > | Feb 10 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | jose_X: let me post from template | Feb 10 22:08 |
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| jose_X | in a "PS" i mentioned, more or less, that i thought software patents were a growing abomination and these were just the sorts of patents that could damage the ietf's RFCs. | Feb 10 22:08 |
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| trmanco | Haha->http://blog.eracc.com/2009/02/10/linux-versus-t... | Feb 10 22:09 |
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| trmanco | Linux Versus the Microsoft Trained Brain Syndrome | Feb 10 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | Done | Feb 10 22:09 |
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| trmanco | "Microsoft users have brains ? (Cheap shot)" | Feb 10 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | Will need to get confirmation mail | Feb 10 22:09 |
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| jose_X | wanted to mention that admins deal with their standards all the time.. imap, smtp, pop, email-2822, arp, snmp, ip/tcp, and tons of others.. even things like gzip have been standardized | Feb 10 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: thanks, will post it later | Feb 10 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | The Microsoft shill Jesper Lund Stocholm strikes in IBM blogs too: http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/02/2... | Feb 10 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | Another Mac Clone Appears, This Time in Germany < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159276/mac_... > | Feb 10 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | Skype population grows to 400m | Feb 10 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | Obama Lauds Intel Plan to Invest $7B in Chip Plants < http://www.pcworld.com/article/15929... >. He should instead launch an investigation into the company's many crimes | Feb 10 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | Why does the US rely on the EU to fight for justice? And then allow Intel to call law enforcers "anti-American" | Feb 10 22:17 |
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| jose_X | schestowitz, how is the translations to text of the pdfs being coordinated. I started one, but I really don't want to waste time with duplicate effort. | Feb 10 22:20 |
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| mib_nky77a | Hello | Feb 10 22:21 |
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| mib_nky77a | i dont think this is still working | Feb 10 22:23 |
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| mib_nky77a | or is it? | Feb 10 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Feb 10 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | It is | Feb 10 22:23 |
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| mib_nky77a | ow it is | Feb 10 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | What's up? | Feb 10 22:23 |
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| mib_nky77a | Im good | Feb 10 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | Are you joining 'via' Digg? | Feb 10 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | jose_X: you can mail it to me | Feb 10 22:24 |
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| mib_nky77a | Ive been searching the web about Novell's history and there stability in the market | Feb 10 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | Or you can put it in a Wiki (create a new page) | Feb 10 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | mib_nky77a: Novell is about to lay off | Feb 10 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | Probably around the 20th (financial results) | Feb 10 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | Ron Hovsepian talked about this in Germany (to his employees only) | Feb 10 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | Is Yahoo Looking to Offer SEO Services? < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/02/10/i...> That's odd. An SE permitting manipulation of /itself/? | Feb 10 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | mib_nky77a: What type of solution are you after? Companies like Red Hat and Canonical seem to be growing still. For something like Netware it's more complicated | Feb 10 22:27 |
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| jose_X | what i don't want is to send you an email that you already received from someone else. | Feb 10 22:27 |
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| jose_X | can I take ownership over 2009/01/px06825.pdf for 24 hrs? | Feb 10 22:28 |
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| jose_X | schestowitz, send me an email if you want me to work on a translation.. just give me the link and a timeline that works out | Feb 10 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, definitely! | Feb 10 22:31 |
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| jose_X | the http://boycottnovell.com/move-to-gnu-linux/ is actually fine for version 0.01 | Feb 10 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | This is the file: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/... (investment in Linux) | Feb 10 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | jose_X: I'll change/extend it over time | Feb 10 22:32 |
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| jose_X | really though, it's simple, has visuals, and says some things that would be appealing to users. | Feb 10 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | Groklaw has a similar page linking to GrokDoc | Feb 10 22:32 |
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| jose_X | i think that page is fine for now | Feb 10 22:33 |
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| jose_X | the getgnulinux link would explain further and provide links to distros | Feb 10 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | jose_X: yes, people have become too lazy to read articles. Videos are funner. This is the type of thing I'd sent someone who knows nothing but Windows.. that's the target audience... took me 10 minutes to do | Feb 10 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I link to a site rather than reinvest the wheel but this page is an anchor for future extension | Feb 10 22:34 |
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| jose_X | i started 6797.pdf but didn't do much.. that one is very short | Feb 10 22:34 |
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| jose_X | wow 6825 is even shorter. | Feb 10 22:35 |
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| jose_X | ok, give me one day? | Feb 10 22:35 |
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| jose_X | i have to leave asap | Feb 10 22:35 |
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| jose_X | will check back later | Feb 10 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | Excellent, thank you so much! | Feb 10 22:35 |
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| mib_nky77a | is there any news to date at the moment aout novell? | Feb 10 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | Nice pic: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/02/... | Feb 10 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | mib_elde58: yes, hold on | Feb 10 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | I collected all the news and put it under accumulations in http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/06/ron-h... ; http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/... ; http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/02/novell... ; http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/31/... (corrected, but might be true) | Feb 10 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | brb | Feb 10 22:39 |
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| mib_nky77a | if they would lay off 1000 instead of 100 where could it be cut? | Feb 10 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know. | Feb 10 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | But... | Feb 10 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | They operate of a loss of about 17m (last Q) | Feb 10 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | Assuming 17k per employee per quarter this would make sense. | Feb 10 22:52 |
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| mib_nky77a | ay... | Feb 10 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | "net loss of $17.9 millio" | Feb 10 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | 2008Q4: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/... | Feb 10 22:54 |
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| mib_nky77a | Ill have a look on that one, pressume ive missed that | Feb 10 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | Texas Judge Forces Topix To Unveil Info About Anonymous Commenters < http://techdirt.com/articles/200902... > | Feb 10 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | mib_nky77a: I have much more info in case it's required. The unfortunate thing about the press is that it's afraid to criticise. It's not good for advertising. | Feb 10 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | Why sing when you can sue? http://techdirt.com/articles/200... (Michael Jackson and Rihanna Both Get Sued Over a 1972 Tune) | Feb 10 22:57 |
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| MinceR | they can sing? | Feb 10 22:58 |
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| MinceR | (ok, i don't know who rihanna is) | Feb 10 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | Nice caricature: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Caption... | Feb 10 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjBrsXhAvcU | Feb 10 23:00 |
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| *MinceR goes with the hypothesis that she can; and goes back to Stardust - Music Sounds Better With You | Feb 10 23:02 |
| MinceR | :) | Feb 10 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* | Feb 10 23:02 |
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| MinceR | nice caricature | Feb 10 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | Aqua | Feb 10 23:02 |
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| twitter | Oh my. Is there any truth to this? http://www.dailytech.com/Source+Apple+... | Feb 10 23:03 |
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| twitter | That Apple managed to keep multi touch off the G1? | Feb 10 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | Applesoft? | Feb 10 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft has 10,000 patents now, it claims. | Feb 10 23:04 |
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| twitter | Patent and legal threats from Apple. | Feb 10 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe bind them to another OOXML-esque pile of rubbish | Feb 10 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | Method for paging up and down.... | Feb 10 23:04 |
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| MinceR | so Big Brother Google is serving both m$ and crApple quite willingly | Feb 10 23:06 |
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| MinceR | (relating to a patent crApple didn't even invent, no less) | Feb 10 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | If we hadn't use cache, I reckon BN would do about 2 million hits today. Over 1 million, that's for sure, despite the downtime | Feb 10 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | We never had such numbers before. | Feb 10 23:09 |
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| MinceR | gn | Feb 10 23:14 |
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| twitter | With Groklaw and Technocrat gone and Slashdot spammed to death, where else is a self respecting computer person to get their news? | Feb 10 23:15 |
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| MinceR | it's a narrow niche though | Feb 10 23:15 |
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| MinceR | i think we need another /., but this time for nerds, not for fanboys | Feb 10 23:15 |
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| twitter | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer... | Feb 10 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | OK. IETF got my comments. | Feb 10 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: seen that, thanks. Not the first... I'l do another post about FAA's miserable failu^HHHHHHHHHHH^H^H^H^H ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^! H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H | Feb 10 23:19 |
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| schestowitz | Background on FAA and MS in: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/01/cr... | Feb 10 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | Commentary: Hand Markopolos regulatory job and watch Harry give 'em hell < http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/madoff-... > | Feb 10 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | Madoff Won’t Contest SEC Claims Under Partial Accord (Update2) < http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2060... > | Feb 10 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | Enforcement Director to Leave SEC < http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/ben... >. Ridiculous. They settle with this Massive Criminal instead of doing something decent like giving him chair or life in prison. | Feb 10 23:25 |
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| twitter | Criminal hones skills that may be useful in jail. (Warning, you will need to wash eyes afterwards) http://i.gizmodo.com/5149330/the-guy-who-fd-up-... | Feb 10 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | Yuck | Feb 10 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | I think it's Allchin the criminal, no? | Feb 10 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | I haven't looked | Feb 10 23:26 |
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| twitter | don't look | Feb 10 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | Vista Capable plaintiffs subpoena PC titans < http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.... > | Feb 10 23:28 |
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| twitter | damage control http://www.informationweek.com/news/sec... | Feb 10 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | "Other notable names on the list include Intel and former Windows chief Jim Allchin" | Feb 10 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | He thinks he ran away from the abuses, eh? As Cringely said, many guilty Microsoft execs simply run away to Washington's suburbs and priaries, hoping that they past deeds won't haunt them. | Feb 10 23:29 |
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| twitter | they deny Windows worm downed French aviators. | Feb 10 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: to hell with them | Feb 10 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft was caught lying a lot... I document where I can. | Feb 10 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | MS says white.. then it grey at best and black at worst | Feb 10 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | "We need to slaughter Novell before they get stronger….If you’re going to kill | Feb 10 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | someone, there isn’t much reason to get all worked up about it and angry. You | Feb 10 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | just pull the trigger. Any discussions beforehand are a waste of time. We need | Feb 10 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | to smile at Novell while we pull the trigger." | Feb 10 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | --Jim Allchin, Microsoft | Feb 10 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | "I am convinced we have to use Windows – this is the one thing they don’t have. | Feb 10 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | We have to be competitive with features, but we need something more — Windows | Feb 10 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | integration." | Feb 10 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | --Jim Allchin, Microsoft | Feb 10 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | "I don’t understand how IE is going to win. The current path is simply to copy | Feb 10 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | everything that Netscape does packaging and product wise." | Feb 10 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | --Jim Allchin, Microsoft | Feb 10 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | "We should dedicate a cross-group team to come up with ways to leverage Windows | Feb 10 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | technically more." | Feb 10 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | --Jim Allchin, Microsoft | Feb 10 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | "I feel we are much too smug in dealing with Novell. Perhaps they didn’t hurt | Feb 10 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | us in DOS yet — but it’s not because of product or their trying. It’s because | Feb 10 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | we already had the OEMs wrapped up." | Feb 10 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | --Jim Allchin, Microsoft | Feb 10 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | "LH [Longhorn] is a pig and I don't see any solution to this problem. If we are | Feb 10 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | to rise to the challenge of Linux..." | Feb 10 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | --Jim Allchin, Microsoft | Feb 10 23:30 |
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| twitter | #16 on the list. | Feb 10 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | Here's a classic about the felon's departure: | Feb 10 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6154171.html "Sitting behind a one-way mirror, a white-haired man [Allchin] struggles to access a shared music library within Windows Vista. "I'm lost," he says. "I'm in trouble here." " | Feb 10 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.nature.com/climate/2009/09... "Amanda Leigh Mascarelli looks at how far our understanding of climate change has come in the past twelve months." | Feb 10 23:34 |
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| twitter | Acer ships XP only netbook to US. Disappointing http://www.betanews.com/article/Acer_ships_upda... | Feb 10 23:35 |
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| twitter | that's OEM wrapup. | Feb 10 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | US | Feb 10 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | Collusion + pressure tactics | Feb 10 23:36 |
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| twitter | the result, however, is fail | Feb 10 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclie... | Feb 10 23:37 |
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| twitter | OEMs that don't go with low cost systems are going to eat it. Windows is not low cost. | Feb 10 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: in case you are interested.. because we wrote about this. Some evidence came up in IRC too, not just reports but also ones from the ground | Feb 10 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | ASUS too: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1... | Feb 10 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | How S.M.A.R.T. are your disks? < http://www.linuxinsight.com/how-sma... > | Feb 10 23:41 |
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| schestowitz | This is good: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php... | Feb 10 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | The Microsoft "TE" term has been popularised once the Jame P AstroTurf material had been exposed :-) | Feb 10 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. LinuxToday used my headline from Digg: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3... | Feb 10 23:49 |
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| schestowitz | Troll headline -> http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=9441 | Feb 10 23:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-pub-quiz | Feb 10 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | harles-H. Schulz. writes: "The second concern is the one of the freedom and the integrity of the Internet. But this issue is perhaps best embodied by the name of one Microsoft’s technology: Silverlight. I should rather call it Silverlight and open standards." | Feb 10 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | "Just like with OOXML, Microsoft sometimes seems to have issues with open standards on the web. And instead of focusing on how to build and keep the Internet open, it tries every trick in the book to have people deploy and use its Flash-like technology, Silverlight. Silverlight is actually much more than Adobe’s Flash, and while Flash is also problematic to the Internet itself, Silverlight benefits from Microsoft’s own platform | Feb 10 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | ’s ubiquity to spread quickly. The rest of the strategy seems to include the heavy pressure or payment for well-known web sites and media services to migrate to Silverlight. | Feb 10 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | The problem with this of course, is that no matter what the extravagant Mr De Icaza will say or do, Silverlight is not multi-platform (running it on Linux is a pain at best) and that it truly locks users away while transforming the Internet into a multimedia delivery service where Microsoft is the sole technology provider and the content comes from major media industry players. " | Feb 10 23:57 |
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